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Obama's Latest Illegal War

April 8, 2011 by  

Obama's Latest Illegal War

I’m so mad about Libya that, in my mother’s inimitable phrase, I could chew nails and spit bullets.

And no, I’m not talking about our pusillanimous leader in the White House, who can’t even get his Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense on the same page. I’ll get to that bunch of dishonest incompetents in a moment.

No, what set me over the top this morning was what is supposed to be the nation’s most influential conservative publication, The Wall Street Journal. In a series of articles and editorials, this once-proud bastion of Americanist values has become nothing but a shill for neoconservative empire-building.

Did you see their scolding of Haley Barbour last week? They were furious at the Mississippi Governor and potential Presidential candidate for not standing four-square behind our military action against the Gadhafi regime. What dastardly deed did Barbour commit? Let me quote what he said and you decided if the WSJ editorialist was right in getting so outraged:

“What are we doing in Libya? We have to be careful about getting into nation-building exercises, whether it’s in Libya or somewhere else. After all, we’ve been in Afghanistan 10 years.”

Does that make you want to stand up and shout treason?!? That seems to have been the reaction at the paper’s Wall Street offices. And they didn’t mind lecturing our lawmakers on what the “responsible” (their word, not mine) response to this crisis should be:

“The goals of Republicans ought to be to prod Mr. Obama to push for a faster resolution that ends with the toppling of Gadhafi and his sons from power.”

Excuse me, but may I ask why?

Why on earth should this country spend millions of dollars, risk hundreds of our servicemen’s lives and end up killing and maiming innocent women and children (and some adult men who admittedly aren’t so innocent) for “regime-change” in Libya? What the heck business is that of ours?

According to The Wall Street Journal, “the credibility of U.S. power is essential to maintaining our influence in [the] Middle East…”

I’m sorry, but this is the same sort of “make-the-world-safe-for-[our-version-of]-democracy” that led to the ruinous wars of the 20th Century. Have we learned nothing from the past?

According to our Founding Fathers and the Constitution they created, the only people who can order our men and women to go to war are the people’s representatives in the U.S. Congress. It is Congress, and only Congress, that has the duty, the right, and the legal obligation to make that decision.

Yet our President is more guided by what the moral lepers in the Arab League and the United Nations think than our elected representatives here at home.

Without a declaration of war, U.S. military actions in Libya are unConstitutional. Period. In a saner world, Congress would be drawing up the articles of Obama’s impeachment as you read this.

But no, that’s not what our empire-building elitists want. We’re supposed to be the policeman of the world. Or to quote that same odious WSJ editorial again:

“One reason to intervene in Libya is to show the Assads and Ahmadinejads that the West is willing and able to act against tyrants who slaughter their own people.”

Oh, yeah? Then what about the genocide in Rwanda, which thus far has claimed the lives of more than one million innocent men, women, and children? Many thousands of these sad victims suffered the most bestial indignities, including repeated rape and massive torture, before they were slain. Have you heard Obama mutter one word of protest, or send one rifle or bullet, to assist any of the Africans there for whom he would be expected to feel some sympathy? What a bunch of lying hypocrites we have ruling over us!

And yet The Wall Street Journal editorialist has the unmitigated gall to chastise the Governor of Mississippi with these words:

“Mr. Barbour’s glib resort to this trope of the isolationist left suggests he hasn’t thought very hard, if at all, about foreign policy.”

So there you have it, folks. Unless you’re willing to support illegal military action, you’re some sort of boobus Americanus, to use H.L. Mencken’s favorite phrase. Well, count me among the people who haven’t yet bought the liberal-CFR line that war is peace, bad is good, wrong is right—and that it is our solemn duty to use our money and our Marines to intervene in every country around the globe that doesn’t behave as we think it should.

This is madness. And it’s got to stop.

Say It In Song
Let’s try to end this grim account of an even grimmer story with a smile. I’m sure many of you remember The Kingston Trio. They were perhaps the most famous folk group of the ’50s and ’60s. I don’t think any of the original members are still performing today, but I believe there’s a group somewhere with the same name, singing all of their old hits.

Back in 1962, the trio (Bob Shane, Dave Guard and Nick Reynolds) released a song that I thought was weird, even for those very weird times. Anyone remember “The Merry Minuet”? You can still find a performance on YouTube. The structure of the song was strange, too. After singing one line, the group then sort of hummed for a bit; then sang another line; then hummed some more.

Printing the lyrics won’t convey how funny this all sounded, but let me try. Here are the first eight lines of the song:

They’re rioting in Africa,
They’re starving in Spain;
There’s hurricanes in Florida
And Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls;
The French hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles,
Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch.
And I don’t like anybody very much!

I think it was Nick Reynolds who blurted out that last line. (But if I’m wrong, I’m sure an Alert Reader will correct me.) On the recording I have, much laughter followed that declaration.

Anyway, after describing all of the terrible things that were happening all over the world—and remember, folks, this was 49 years ago—isn’t it amazing how little has changed since 1962? The trio ended on what purported to be a note of optimism:

But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud
For man’s been endowed with a mushroom-shaped cloud.
And we know for certain that some lucky day
Someone will set the spark off and we will all be blown away!

More laughter followed that rather grim description of “some lucky day.” The song then ended with the following prediction:

They’re rioting in Africa,
There’s strife in Iran.
What nature doesn’t do to us
Will be done by our fellow man.

I’ll have more to say next week to “our fellow man” about the people who are misleading and betraying us. In the meantime, stand up for what you know in your heart is right. Condemn the illegal and dangerous course our president has set this country on, both at home and abroad.

And keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • José Beltrán González

    Good morning and congratulations Mr. Wood. I am actually writing from Venezuela, and let me tell you this has been one of the most brilliant articles I have read lately. Witty, straightforward, full of political hindsight, and purporting to shake the spiritual and mental structure of USA leadership, for the betterment of world affairs; and FOR THE SAKE OF THE USA PEOPLE AND INTERESTS, ABOVE ALL.
    Thank you sir, have a good day; and keep at it.

    • Lastmanstanding

      Jose…Does Hugo know that your blogging/commenting on a conservative site!!!??? God Bless you man!

      • JKO

        AMEN to that and to you Jose

    • JC

      Stay safe Jose.

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

    We’re fighting to protect those good moderate Muslims. Unfortunately they in 2011 look a lot like the good moderate whites in the South in 1961. They support Sharia laws to oppress women and infidels but do not blow up any buildings. We supported “Jim Crow” laws to oppress blacks but did not lynch any of them. Besides, they have various terrorist groups to do the wet work, and we did too–the KKK, etc.

  • newspooner

    The Libertarian Party has the best position on the issue of US involvement in foreign wars. We should not be involved. That does not mean that the US shouldn’t protect itself militarily. That does not mean that the US shouldn’t stop aggression against allies with whom we have proper (not UN) treaties. That does not mean that the US should not try to liberate people from slavery and oppression in other countries. But we should do the liberating by exporting the philosophy of freedom and Americanism, not but attacking some tinhorn dictators (Ghadafi, etc) and tolerating others (Mao, etc). Unfortunately, it will be hard to export the concepts of freedom and Americanism as long as we have communist leaders running our own country. We need a housecleaning here first. Let’s get on with the housecleaning.

  • kenneth kilmer

    We christians and non-christians should be praying that God will
    change the events that are happening in the world by changing the hearts of man that the good that can come out of humanity will
    prevail. If not, the same people we are trying to protect from genoside,we will be battleing at armageddon as proficied in
    revelations.The world does have choices.Make the right one.

  • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

    Good points all, Chip. Little Barry Soetoro does indeed need to be gone. Impeachment is too good. He needs to be vetted, removed in handcuffs, jailed, tried for fraud and treason for starters, convctied and executed on the front lawn of the White House.

    As you stated our Founders set up our Constitution with definite paramenters. The spineless Eunicks in the House are afraid of their own shadows and have proven it by the fact that that the treasonous Kenyan is still in the White House. Bary is laughing at us, not with us.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Old Henry,
      He needs to be removed as ineligible!!! Then his actions will be null and void!!!

  • Norm

    Dulce bellum inexpertis.
    War is sweet to those who have never fought.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      To Norm,

      War is sweet to the inexperienced.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Also In Greek:

        Ο πόλεμος είναι γλυκός για το άπειρο.

      • JeffH

        Arabic

        الحرب حلوة لعديمي الخبرة

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        دبليو الحب حجة جيدة

      • Norm

        coal miner
        Thanks my Latin is a bit rusty. I didn’t translate by the way.

      • bob wire

        War is cruelty. There’s no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over.
        -William Tecumseh Sherman

      • JC

        Who, by the way was once relieved of command
        on suspicion of insanity. ;)

      • http://naver samurai

        He was also quoted as saying “War is hell!” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        coal miner,
        “war is sweet to the inexperienced” Typed by a person that should know!!! There isn’t any more inexperienced than YOU!!!

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        John Wayne,
        Well there is his infamous playboy interview in which he states he believes in white-supremacy; and further states that blacks should be isolated until they become educated enough to participate in society. His rants on Native Americans and how they were “savages,” are well known; and during the Vietnam war there were numerous interviews and accounts of him making racist remarks against the Vietnamese. In terms of him being a racist on screen…well most westerns in those days were not kind to the Native Americans. Simply his on screen persona did not match his real life personality a bit. He had a ferocious temper that often came out negatively in interviews (his response to the question of everything being black or white “why the hell not!”); and he was a draft dodger in WWII, choosing to pursue his acting career.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        JoeH,
        Your Hero.Ha Ha Ha

      • libertytrain

        Is he not a roving coal black cloud always seeking to rain on anybody and everybody’s parade – I’ve never seen anyone jump to attack each and every soul that has accomplished something as he does – From Mother Teresa and on down from there.
        “If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives; be kind anyway.
        If you are successful, you will win some false friends and true enemies; succeed anyway.
        If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you; be honest and frank anyway.
        If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous; be happy anyway.
        The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow; do good anyway…
        You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God; it was never between you and them anyway.”
        — Mother Teresa

      • http://?? Joe H.

        coal miner,
        Hey dumazz, try paying attention to what someone is posting about. i was mentioning the fact that there are none here less experienced than you in things military and WAR!!! you who were 4F!!! you who gave up and didn’t try to serve your country OR your fellow man!! you who moans about “couldn’t get into the Marines cause of my eyes!” and gives up by never trying the other services!!!! Tell the truth for a change, you were relieved that they wouldn’t take you!!! you were scared!!

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner
      • libertytrain

        I don’t go to your sites but is that the one you mentioned last time that is gravely concerned about what Mother Teresa did with all her money….. I’m sure she took it with her -

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Joe,
        This cosmos was not made by gods or men, but always was, and is, and ever shall be ever-living fire.
        Hercalitus:

      • http://naver samurai

        In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1 verse 1. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • JC

      It is up to God to grant forgiveness,
      Our job is to arrange the introductions.

      The United States Marine Corps.

      How about that one Normy? From the guys who took an oath to keep America safe… you ok with that one?

  • Bruce

    i find it amazing that a UN resolution gets passed and we jump into Libya like dutiful dogs. When we went into Irag, we were the bad guys with only a coalition of US, UK and Spain and the UN would not approve the invasion. Now they put us in harms way, what is wrong with this picture?

  • http://www.rahrens.net Robert Ahrens

    The presidential war powers derived from Woodrow Wilson authorizing the shipments of war materiel to France and England. This provocation led to the sinking of the Lusitania, which was the prime reason congress declared war on the Axis. (Austro-Hungary and Germany, Turks.)
    Then came Roosevelt whose lend lease, escorting convoys halfway to Britain, cutting off oil and scrap metal sales to Japan resulted in Pearl Harbor and congress declaring war on the Japanese Empire. Harry Truman was given a UN declaration to stop North Korean agression. I seem to recall it was a UN resolution that got us into Desert Storm.
    After Lyndon Johnson and the Tonkin Gulf resolution we found ourselves in Vietnam, Republic of, and poured our treasure and so many of our boys into that rat hole. Never forget it was Kennedy that put 12000 advisors into that country, and he authorised the coup that killed the South Vietnamese leader, and put Kiyh in charge.
    Shortly thereafter John F. was shot dead in Dallas, and Johnson sent in ground troops. In a whiplash reaction the congress eventually passed a ‘warpowers’ act that limits a president’s war making abilities by setting a time limit to military adventures; after 90 days, if congress denies funding, the troops are to be pulled out.
    I guess Ronald Reagan used the armed forces as much as either Bush, invaded Grenada, shelled Iranian oil wells, remember Iran-Contra? The power of the president to make war is indeed grounded in the constitution, he is CIC, and the chief decider..
    but the warpowers act sets forth limits to that ability, limits every president has ignored. So Obama Soeto, not technically president because of his ‘birth’ status, still ignores Congress limit his ability to make war. Perhaps we need a new resolution, or a congress courageous enough to demand he withdraw from Iraq, and Afghanistan and Libya. But what about the 120 countries we maintain a permanent military posture in? Surely that is not what our Founding Father’s envisioned and Washington least of all. God Bless America and semper fi!

    • ValDM

      I take exception to your interpretation of Viet Nam. We were there long before Kennedy even declared his intention to run for President. We were in Viet Nam in 1953-54 as early as I can determine. Kennedy did send in more troops, Johnson even more, Nixon even more. But it began long before you state.

      • kodster5

        You’re so right on that… it was Eisenhower who got us into Vietnam, and sent the first “advisers” on Feb. 12, 1955.

  • Norm

    I agree we should not be in Libya.
    But it was fine when Bush invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. The right wing hypocrites really need to stick to one side of the road.
    I suggest we get American troops out of every foreign country, including those in Europe and Asia. A trillion wasted dollars would have gone a long way toward eliminating deficit spending and would make us a stronger and more respected country.
    .

    • http://naver samurai

      At least with Afghanistan and Iraq Bush has the Congress and Senate vote before going over there. Obama bin Laden just sent troops without a vote or legislation from the Congress and Senate to back up his actions. In other words, Obama bin Laden’s actions are unconstitutional and he should be impeached for them. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • jovianus

        Out of curiousity…what US troops are in Libya? Ooops…

      • JKO

        Well, lets see. My dad was in the Air Force and he was a “troop”. It does take military pilots (aka troops) to fly those planes. They are flying over Libyan air space. So I guess there are troops in Libya for at leat a few minutes at a time. oops

      • JKO

        Yes I know why they don’t send donkeys to school.

      • http://n.cates@cox.net Norman F.

        The “boots on the ground” in Libya belong to the Special Forces men who “paint” the smart bomb targets for the bombers. Smart bombs are no smarter than regular bombs, except that they have a sensor that will detect and home in on a lazer lighted target. The reason it took so long to invade Iraq in the Gulf war was that the “Boots on the ground” had to cover so many miles and infiltrate so far into the heaviest populated cities of Iraq so they could paint the targets. There was a story about two SF men in a covered fox hole on the outskirts of Baghdad when a little girl lifted their cover and looked at them. She was said to smile at them, replaced the cover and ran away.

      • DaveH
      • S.C.Murf

        The CIA jovbob, at least I believe they are still considered Americans

      • S.C.Murf

        and a special marines brigade, about to be relieved by another special marines brigade. Is that enough boots for you?

        up the hill
        airborne

    • Carlucci

      I agree. Bring all the troops home and let them guard our airports and borders. Don’t you think our soldiers want to come home and guard their own country and people?

      Most importantly – WE CAN’T AFFORD IT. Imperialism is what killed the economy of the British Empire.

      • DaveH

        And the Roman empire, and the Greek empire.

      • Carlucci

        Forgot about them. Thank you.

      • kodster5

        And there, in a nutshell, is the crux of the problem, Carlucci. Obama is indeed a son of a British subject, because that’s who’s beliefs he’s following. Even in his own book (ghostwritten by Ayers), Obama’s father was against colonialism (aka, imperialism). So, Obama is acting out his father’s dreams of getting rid of it, which he perceives the US is an imperialistic country. That’s why we have a man in office that is intent on destroying us from within.

    • Don

      Norm, so why are you supporting the illegal obama, he doing the same thing but for different reasons, wake up while we still have a country !!!

    • Carlucci

      I agree – ! The US nanny government has got to stop. WE CAN’T AFFORD IT!

  • http://none dave buls

    chip,

    although i usually laud you as a sane and kind man, i agree and disagree here. as the husband of a woman from morocco, i wish north africa and the middle east to be free and prosperous again. the insane thuggery of the regimes there has to go. egypt used to be a great country, prosperous and peaceful. as for the others, wouldn’t it be nice to be able to visit north africa and the middle east, and see prosperity and equality again? my kids admit that occupation of morocco under the french brought infrastructure and sophistication to that country. when africa was occupied by europe in the 19th and 20th centuries, it brought peace, management and prosperity. when europe was forced out, chaos ensued. just now is africa developing on its own, which is fantastic.

    the problem with america being there is that our government is causing trouble at home already. so, it would be fair to assume that we would cause more trouble there than real assistance. if we continue to attempt to flex our muscles, it will come back to destroy us. our government needs to adopt a hands off approach for awhile, and things will work out. most civilizations destroy themselves from within, not because they failed to put down a threat, but because they lose the trust and will of their people from within. let’s hope and pray that our government takes time to reflect during this government shutdown, that the party needs to end for awhile, and people need to sober up and consider the big picture. the best thing we can do is to get a national makeover, improve our reputation and image, and do the right things.

    • JKO

      Dave thank you for this. It is nice to hear from someone who has personal knowledge.

    • Michael J.

      dave buls,
      Throughout the history of our great nation we have helped others more than any other country. Most people today however, believe it’s time to pull back and heal our own wounds before they become terminal.

      Below is an interesting comment that you made, and in my mind is ironic because it is like what we are seeing transpire here at home.
      “when africa was occupied by europe in the 19th and 20th centuries, it brought peace, management and prosperity. when europe was forced out, chaos ensued.”

      The parelells I draw from your statement are like this:
      When America was led by constituional conservatives from the 18th through to the 20th centuries, it brought peace, management and prosperity. Since constitutional conservatives are being forced out and replaced by progressive liberal communist, chaos has ensued.”

      The work of nation building is now right here at home. After all the practice we’ve had in the last 100 years, it should be a piece of cake, right?

      END THE OBAMA DRAMA…. SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE…

  • Pilgrim

    Chip, Chip,Chip…..if you read the Muslim’s books, it will become clear who they are..you know just like Obama. There are no innocent Muslims….only the ones that will tolerate us being alive for as long as they can use us. As soon as they have no use for us then they all become extremist. It’s called Taqiyaha. It’s the lies they tell to an infidel to make them think they are not going to cut their head off. Our government”s foreign policy towards Islamic states is akin to trying to talk a rabid dog out of attacking and killing you. Sending our troops to Libya is like taking the rabid dog to the vet to try and save it. That kind of policy is bound to fail.

    • Norm

      Pilgrim

      Of all religions, Christianity is without a doubt the one that should inspire tolerance most, although, up to now, the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men
      — Voltaire

      In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814

      • JKO

        Norm, while I do agree with your quotes for the most part, it has actually been the hierarchy that has caused most of the intolerance. Those of us who actually read the Bible and listen to God and see the example of Jesus know how to tolerate anyone.
        I will admit that for a long time I lived by the letter of the law instead of love. Now I have friends who are gay, use drugs, are alcoholics, etc. I now know that my job is to love them and be their friend and if a change IS needed that is God’s job, not mine. It works SO MUCH better that way.
        Had I just trusted my pastors I would not live in this place. We as Americans need to stop trusting anyone and find out for ourselves what the truth is.

      • Norm

        Amen brother.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Norm,
        even though your quote has merit, not all Christian religeons in present day HAVE priests!!!! You can go to a thousand different baptist churches and not a one of them are like the one that pickets the funerals of fallen vets like is done!! not all southern baptist churches worship with snakes like the couple that do in the south! My father was a deacon in the first church of christ and a 55 year mason! He was a very devout Christian! He helped people from all walks of life as I would as well. Just don’t ask me to accept all those walks of life!!

      • Michael J.

        JKO,
        You and Normie babie are living in a kumbaya wetdream. Wake up and change the sheets. No amount of tolerance will keep the radical Muslamics from sawing your head off once they find out you like your quim on a stick.

      • JKO

        BTW I’m a sister – therefore no wet dreams:).
        I do agree with you MJ, there are many many radical Muslims. But let me just say that my answer was to Christians.
        I would like to think that I would be able to befriend a Muslim in hopes of bringing him to the Lord, even if it meant losing my head. But I can’t say honestly that I have that kind of bravery.

        I will say this – if we don’t get the middle east under control we will all have to face the reality of becoming Muslim or losing our heads. That’s why my husband and I are cleaning the rifles and storing the food.

      • Carlucci

        Michael J – I have lived in Saudi Arabia. You might be surprised at how many hypocritical mooslim men “like their quim on a stick”. Right after we arrived, there was a scandal going on in the city where we lived. The story was that a male saudi and a male phillipino (probably a servant) were caught having sex. This topic was being discussed at a cocktail party on a U.S. Airforce base that my husband and I attended. According to Islam (a.k.a. a weird, twisted “religion”) a man is allowed to “give”, but it is against the law for a man to “receive”, so the guy on the receiving end is in big trouble if caught. My husband and I didn’t believe it, but enough people at the party (who had lived there a long time) spoke up and verified it was true.

        (Yes, a cocktail party with alcohol was legal, as military bases and embassies are off limits to the Islamic religious laws).

      • Michael J.

        JKO,
        I appologize, I thought you were one of Normie babies buddies.
        Welcome aboard fellow patriot.

      • Michael J.

        Carlucci,
        Thanks, I did not know the give and take of the situation. I guess you are saying that like in baseball terms, if you’re a pitcher you’re safe, but if you’re a catcher you’re screwed?

      • JKO

        Apology accepted Michael and thanks for being a person of integrity and willing to admit when you make a mistake.
        But I don’t actually disagree with Norm here.

      • Carlucci

        Michael J said:

        “Carlucci,
        Thanks, I did not know the give and take of the situation. I guess you are saying that like in baseball terms, if you’re a pitcher you’re safe, but if you’re a catcher you’re screwed?”

        Hmm…yes, I guess that’s a pretty good analogy.

      • Carlucci

        JKO – I agree. You cannot force your views on anyone, but you can set a good example, as actions always speak louder than words.

      • DaveH

        That’s good, JKO. I hope you do indeed practice what you preach.

      • JKO

        I do now. Not so much before 5 years ago. And I must tell you that I am a MUCH nicer person now than I was then. And I have some awesome friends because they know I love them where they are at and have no secret agenda.

      • Thamera

        There is a HUGE difference between tolerance and acceptance….the two seem to get blurred from time to time.

      • Kate8

        Yeshua said that saints did not need saving. He came for the sinner.

        He offered them a choice, but He NEVER condoned their sin. He said that if we want salvation, we must repent (change our thinking), give up sin and FOLLOW HIM.

        It is for a Christian to minister to those who are “sick”, but NEVER allow the sickness to infect him.

      • DaveH

        And now those priests have been substituted with enviromentalists and other Liberals who are leading the blindered citizens with their sweet-sounding lies.

      • Pilgrim

        You are implying that knowing the history of Christianity will change the nature of Islam. In order to know the nature of Islam and how it affects you, a Christian, you need to read the Koran and the Hadith. Until then you are simply speculating, unarmed, without the facts.

      • JKO

        I have actually studied the history of Islam and read some parts of the Quran. I like to know all sides of any given situation.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Norm . . . putting the quotes in “Context” . . . . they were both speaking of the Roman Church not Christianity in general.

      • Norm

        Dale on the left coast
        Actually Voltaire used the word Christian because he was referring to all Christians in Europe at that time (1700′s). Jefferson was talking about all religions in general including Christians. The Roman Catholic faith is far less radical, BTW, than many of the off-the-wall evangelical sects. Look at the late Falwell, Robertson, and (yes) Huckabee.

        I may grow rich by an art I am compelled to follow; I may recover health by medicines I am compelled to take against my own judgment; but I cannot be saved by a worship I disbelieve and abhor.
        – Thomas Jefferson, notes for a speech, ca. 1776

      • Kate8

        Norm – Just what is your definition of radical? From what I’ve seen, Falwell was an upstanding man who did many good things. I never heard him say anything I thought was out of line. Same with Robertson.

        I know these men have been demonized by the liberal media, but that is just what it is: demonization.

        The Roman Catholic church was, back then and from its inception, in bed with the State. They wielded a great deal of control over people and governments. They changed God’s Laws, Times and Precepts. How is that NOT radical?

        I have nothing against Catholics, mind you. I used to be one, and many in my family still are, and are very fine people. That doesn’t alter the facts, though. The entire church establishment has been affected by the corruption of Yeshua’s teachings by the Roman Church, which usurped Christ’s authority in order to gain control of the movement. Much of the Truth of Yeshua’s message has been hidden from all but the select few, who have used it for their own purposes.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Norm,
        2)www.barefootsworld.net/founding.html

  • http://n/a John Beach

    “Why on earth should this country spend millions of dollars, risk hundreds of our servicemen’s lives and end up killing and maiming innocent women and children (and some adult men who admittedly aren’t so innocent) for “regime-change” in Libya? What the heck business is that of ours?”

    The simple answer is that the U.S. is a house divided and politicians can get away with this stuff because they are always representing some portion of the divided house. Bush may have thought the terrorism “will not stand.” Somebody ought to look to the divided house and see just how long it can possibly stand going in the direction we are. Say what you will about establishmentarianism, it left no doubt as to who believed what and what the pecking order would be. Those days are gone and the royals dance to the music of the common folk. Government is vaudeville, a sham and a disgrace.

    • Norm

      John Beach
      Just thank God that McCain is not president.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Again, Im not a McCain fan, but the guy is a credit when compared to Obama. A freaking huge credit compared to Obama. And I dont care for McCain at all, but we would have been in a lot better place without having a foreigner sitting in the White House, who cares more about his muslim brethren than he does about the people that elected him. And thats the facts Norm. But relax, I know, your not interested in the truth or facts. If you were, you wouldnt vote Democrat and get illegal aliens elected as president.

      • Norm

        Beberoni
        Only an idiot (including Trump) would still believe that birther BS.

      • http://naver samurai

        If it is BS, moron, then why can’t they find it? Why can’t they find any of his records of anytime in his life? Sound like a pawn in this chess game to me. Who is the king? I have no idea, but there are too many people that can fit that roll. OK abnorm, just tell me one thing. What country was on his passport when he went to Pakistan in the 1980′s? We couldn’t go there at the time, so what country was it? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Michael J.

        Normie babie,
        Only an idiot would still believe the certificate of live birth is adequate to prove eligibility.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Norm,
        come on dude!!! Even the Governor of Hawaii can’t Find his LONG FORM BC!!!!! IT DOESN’T EXHIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        My next door neighbors goat would be a better president then the one we have now, abnorm. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • DaveH

        You’re right about that, Norm, but for the wrong reasons. If McCain had been elected Big Government would have grown more slowly, more stealthily, and people would still be in their apathetic stupors.
        Thanks to Obama’s overt and dramatic building of Big Government, the citizens are finally starting to get their heads out, and discussing politics like never before in recent history.
        Hopefully, it will be enough to stop the Leviathan before they have completely taken over our lives.

      • Thamera

        Good point DaveH.

      • http://naver samurai

        I agree also. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        John Beach,
        By all means just be glad Norm isn’t pres!!!

  • Demoncrat Exorcist

    Obama did not have the authority to attack Libya. That Kenyan SOB should be kicked out of office along with Pelosi, Reid, and all other communists both Democrat and Republican.
    The facts surrounding the last presidential election sounds contrived. As a member the local Tea Party, we would like to know why Barry Soetoro AKA Barack Obama was not properly vetted before the election? We would also like to know if Republicans were involved in all the smoke and mirrors of vetting McCain to take the focus off of Barry’s ineligibility?
    In fact, we feel that McCain is either an idiot or he is part of a conspiracy that led to the election of an illegal alien. We feel that there’s nothing legal or honest about Obama’s citizenship or his past. Every thing about Obama and his gangsters reeks of distortion and cover up. Barry’s actions, ordering military action against Libya was as illegal as his citizenship. Americans should be demanding his removal from office. That Kenyan SOB is an illegal alien.

    • kodster5

      You know, Demoncrat Exorcist, you may have hit on something there! I’d say that McCain is PART of the conspiracy, because if you recall, all the townhall meetings that he held on the campaign trail? Where the folks literally BEGGED him to stand up and say the right thing, challenge Obama, get the truth out to the people? He didn’t do a damned thing, did he? He just placated the people, and came across as a wimp. Even his own running mate, Sarah Palin, was chomping at the bit to speak out, but she was shackeled, too. She still is, and that may be one of the reasons why she got out of politics for a while.

  • Donald

    I don’t often agree with Chip, but he is totally right on this! One caveat. All this jumping into war by our Chief Executives began with Truman going into Korea under the guise of a “Police Action”. After that there was Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, the two Bushes and now Obama. The Congress, long ago, abdicated it’s role in Declaring War. Also, since WWII, we have not been very good at winning wars on foreign soil.

    Speaking of lines from songs, there’s this one from the Vietnam era: “When will we ever learn, When will we ever learn…”.

    • JKO

      But why has it been difficult to win wars? Because most of them have ended up in the hands of politicians. Korea did allow South Korea to stay independent. In Vietnam had Congress allowed Nixon to bomb Hanoi that would have been a completely different outcome. Instead our soldiers came running home with their tails between their legs. Bush 1 actually did have us in and out quickly. Had Clinton done his part as prez to keep Saddam in line (as he broke the treaty he signed almost everyday) we would not have had to go into Iraq and my guess is that we would have had better success in Afghanistan.
      But in all of these cases we were asked to come into the frey or were upholding a signed treaty. This is not the case in Libya. No one has asked us for help and, as far as I know, we don’t have a treaty that has been broken with them.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree with the statement about politicians running the wars. If you free the military’s hand, and tell them to go in and take the guy out and do what you have to do, and let them get ugly and take care of business, you wouldnt have this problem. But when the politicians tie our young peoples hands, and bow down to political correctness in the actions we take, while the enemy is allowed to cut off peoples heads on live TV and thats ok, well then we have a big problem. A big problem. You take the gloves off against these guys, and you throw all the rules away. You become ruthless, and hunt them down like the dogs they are. If there is collateral damage, so what. Let the people know that, and they will stop protecting and harboring them, and they will tell us where they are at. But not until then. Until we do that, we dont even know who we are fighting over there half the time, because they put on their civilian clothes and hide amongst the people. Time to roll up the sleeves, free our guys and girls hands, and let the military be the military, instead of making them be ballet dancers. Its stupid as can be.

      • Lastmanstanding

        Beberoni…you have correctly described war. Not what we are currently involved in. Simply look at the time frame and worldwide carnage of WW1 and 2…Those who fund war realized that by simply extending it, more money could be made. Sick, isn’t it.

        Better yet, look who controls it now.

      • S.C.Murf

        If Nixon didn’t bomb hanoi then who the hell did? The Air Force blasted their butts day after day until they agreed to a cease fire to let us get out of their country and to make sure McCain and the rest of the POW’s came home. You need to re-read history. Maybe the higher ups think that if they let the muslim brotherhood take over the middle east and then refuse to sell oil to America then the higher up’s will tell us that it is our right to take over the mid east so we can have the oil we need. And they ( the higher up’s ) will have complete control

      • JKO

        But this was not to win the war but to get our guys out after we had pretty much given in to the N. Vietnamese. Had we done this before we had pretty much thrown in the towel the outcome may have been different.

      • bob wire

        Lyndon Johnson and men like myself. Actually I just made the bombs, the standard more common 500 pounders for a year before I enlisted to serve.

        We dropped many bombs during Nixon’s tenure but nothing like the bombing of Hanoi, B52 Strikes under Johnson. It’s a very cruel weapon and does little discriminating.

        Did that answer your question?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JKO,
        while I agree in principle to what you say, I take umbrage to your “tail tucked between their legs”statement! We won EVERY battle we engaged in over there and took the fight to them! I had NO tail tucked on me, I was dam proud of our battle record!! We also supported many of the orphanages over there both in money and protection! There is nothing you or anybody else here can say to make me ashamed of the common soldiers performance there!! And certainly not MINE!!

  • Warrior

    I guess some methods of population control are more acceptable than others.

  • http://www.piedmontwebmasterservices.com Dan

    I am so po’d about this also. Everyone, even “conservatives” keep spouting the same thing, we need regime change in Libya. Has any one of them actually looked into who is behind the rebellion and why? Are we fighting to turn Libya into another arm of the Muslim Brotherhood? From all appearances it does. I wonder what ties Obama has to the Muslim Brotherhood?

    • Norm

      Dan
      Where were you when Adolph Bush was president and Benito Cheany was VP?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Now Norm, you show your true colors, left wing agenda based is all you are. You cried and cried about Bush/Cheny/Halliburton and the war for oil. You cried about them being war mongers. But now that your left wing idiots are in charge, they are running the old two wars, escalating one of them, and started a new war, in an oil producing country. Why are they conducting an illegal war for oil in your eyes like the last guys were? Whats up with that Norm. And the last guy defied us and wanted to take us out. This Libya guy never mentioned going against us. You cant have it both ways Norm. Your either against war against tyrants, or your for it? And its all wars for oil if the country has oil, according to your own left wing politics. So what sayeth you Normy?

      • Norm

        Beberoni
        I’m against all wars of unjustified aggression. That includes Korea, Nam, Panama, Granada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and all the rest. It matters not who started them.

      • DaveH

        Then why didn’t you just say so in the first place?

      • JC

        Norm says:
        April 8, 2011 at 8:28 am
        Dan
        Where were you when Adolph Bush was president and Benito Cheany was VP?
        ———————————————————-

        Where are YOU…NOW?
        Still whining about the past? Still sniveling?
        You sir are a very minor distraction to anything real or pertinent.
        And what is REAL…and what is PERTINENT is our situation TODAY.
        Get it?

      • http://naver samurai

        I think that this would be a big mistake to require abnorm, or any other lib, to think. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Norm

        We are the product of our past.
        Once a war is started you can’t instantly stop it. We just never learn. But now let’s just blame Obama for the last 50 years.
        P.S. name calling is infantile.

      • http://naver samurai

        While I agree with you that once you start a war it just doesn’t come to an abrupt end, but if do this in Lybia, which wasn’t a threat to us, what country will we hit next with this so called POTUS? We’re already stretched to thin and our supply lines are over extended, so what do you suggest? As far as the name calling, I only call you names because of the lib rhetoric, inuendo, and lies that you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Eddie47d

        Samurai; Point out Norm’s lies.

      • JC

        Norm says:
        April 8, 2011 at 9:07 am
        We are the product of our past.
        Once a war is started you can’t instantly stop it. We just never learn. But now let’s just blame Obama for the last 50 years.
        P.S. name calling is infantile.
        _____________________________________________________________

        I didn’t call you a name.
        And let me help you expand on that thought of yours:
        We have learned from the past and know from experience
        that we must act NOW!

        Get it? (you don’t do you…)

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Samurai,
        “troops streatched too thin and supply lines too long”. anybody like yourself and me knows that is the biggest thing that defeated Adolf!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Right on, Joe H! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • JC

        Joe H. says:
        April 9, 2011 at 7:55 pm
        Samurai,
        “troops streatched too thin and supply lines too long”. anybody like yourself and me knows that is the biggest thing that defeated Adolf!!!
        ——————————————————————

        Combine those circumstances with a devaluation of the currency and you have an exact repeat of the Fall of the Roman Empire.
        (except this time it’s deliberate)

      • DaveH

        Somebody lend me a barf bag please.
        Norm, do you Liberals ever quit with the “where were you when Bush” stuff? How do you know where we were, what we thought? I do realize that you are the intelligent ones (yeah, sure), but nobody is that intelligent. And you’re showing the lack of it with that statement.

      • Norm

        DaveH
        Come on Dave, virtually all conservatives supported Bush. They even supported him very actively up to the end of his term. Obama takes over and suddenly he is a war- monger. Give me a break!
        I will admit that some Dems also were Bush war supporters, like that idiot Lieberman who represents my state. His days fortunately are almost over.

      • JC

        Norm says:
        April 8, 2011 at 1:02 pm
        DaveH
        Come on Dave, virtually all conservatives supported Bush. They even supported him very actively up to the end of his term. Obama takes over and suddenly he is a war- monger. Give me a break!
        ————————————————————-

        Well then, going by your logic, it’s fair to say that nearly ALL liberals are communists and would likely vote for Hugo Chavez if he ran for POTUS…
        After all, we’ve already seen you elect a foreigner…so why not, right?

      • Carlucci

        Norm, How do you know that most of the people on this list voted for Bush? I certainly didn’t either time, and I didn’t vote for Obummer, either.

        Vote Libertarian. They have all the good ideas.

      • Palin12

        Don’t forget the Hildebeast who voted to authorize miltary action in Iraq.

      • DaveH

        You’re talking about right-wingers, Norm. True Conservatives don’t advocate our Government as the World’s Policemen.

      • Eddie47d

        Carlucci;Only a couple of folks I know has ever admitted they voted for Bush.(My sister-in law and brother -in law)Neither has said a word after the 2004 election. I asked this question last week.If Libertarians are so in tune to everything then why can’t they get their message out? Why do few vote for them? They had a pop up poll on this site last year with a list about the various political parties. I came out a strong Libertarian even though I’m more liberal on social issues.

      • DaveH

        Eddie,
        You are about as Libertarian as I am Catholic. You can fool yourself, but you can’t fool us.
        Why can’t Libertarians get their message out? Perhaps because the Big-Government-owned MSM has done their best to exclude our voice. Neither main party wants Libertarians in their midst to screw up their gravy train. Why would Media Moguls want a party in power that believes in Free Markets? Then they would have to compete to keep their big paychecks. It’s much easier to buy off their favorite politicians. Right-wing Republicans don’t want us for the same reason left-wing Democrats don’t want us — because we would shrink Government dramatically (thus their power).
        But thanks to Rupert Murdoch and his Libertarian spokesmen (John Stossel and Judge Napolitano on Fox Business Channel) we are getting more exposure then ever before. I think as more people learn about our simple and effective platform our membership will expand rapidly. The citizens would benefit greatly from our principles, except for those in the political class. Even those who would have to accept being weaned from the Government teet would be happier in the long run as they would once again feel like worthwhile human beings.

      • DaveH
      • http://www.piedmontwebmasterservices.com Dan

        Since the wars prior to Libya were not the topic of the article I didn’t address them. We are discussing the Libya war and why a socialist President want’s to defend the Muslim Brotherhood.

      • Don

        Did odumbo not say, in the end, i will stand with the muslims !!

      • DaveH
      • Dale on the left coast

        Norm . . . Adolph and Benito were both SOCIALISTS/Progressives . . . Obummer is a Socialist/Progressive . . . get the connection now???

      • Eddie47d

        Now that sounds like more right wing lies on the left coast.

      • Norm

        Dale on the left coast
        Adolph and Benito were right wing Fascists. Ask Stalin and the communist Spanish government whose side the Fascists were on.

      • JC

        The German acronym for National Socialist is NAZI. Fact.
        And you’re saying that socialism is an attribute of the right?

        You need a nap and maybe some cookies. :)

      • bob wire

        zealot, extremism right or left means little when the boot in on your neck and next to impossible to tell apart. They look identical and share human cruelty while their flag might have different colors.

      • Norm

        Dale on the left coast
        The teabaggers, financed by rhe Koch (cock??) brothers, very closly resemble the NAZI movement in Germany.
        There was little socialism in the National Socialist Party. Most of Germany’s war producers like Daimler, BMW, Mauser, Krupp, etc. are still in private hands and doing well.

      • JC

        Tell us more about “teabagging”.
        You seem to be very well versed with the term. ;)

        (actually I’d rather you kept that between you and your boyfriend)

      • JC

        Norm says:
        April 9, 2011 at 8:24 am
        Dale on the left coast
        The teabaggers, financed by rhe Koch (cock??) brothers, very closly resemble the NAZI movement in Germany.
        There was little socialism in the National Socialist Party. Most of Germany’s war producers like Daimler, BMW, Mauser, Krupp, etc. are still in private hands and doing well.
        ______________________________________________________________
        Good Job Norm! You managed to leave out the part where Hitler installed “directors” in all those companies. He didn’t take them, he just told them what to build, when to build, how much they’d be paid, could keep)…in other words, complete control at gunpoint.
        BUT…he didn’t actually kick them out of their building and put his own people in those seats.

        Those companies were returned to private control about a half million dead allied soldiers later.

        You should read more Norm.

      • DaveH

        What? Read more and risk realizing what an ignoramus he’s been? Not likely.

      • JeffH

        Normy, that seems to be the only defensive strtegy for some of you libs and it’s worse than an old retread. “where were you when…???” LMAO!

      • Lewis Munn

        Why have you the audacity to call a poor mental defective, brain damaged in his teens by alcohol, a legal but very damaging damaging drug, by the name of an evil man??

        Cheney gave him his day’s orders nearly every morning.

  • Barb

    Unions to contain corrupt bosses? Are you kidding me! Unions are corrupt. Look at Wisconsin. Sorry to be off subject but couldn’t contain myself.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I agree, and they care only about themselves and collecting money, and not about this country. I know. The one I worked in for 8 years doing outside labor, every year hired illegal aliens to do landscape work, and they all sent the money home, then went home during the winter. Its a crock. And they were the first to be given jobs in the spring, as the union Business Agent was also hispanic. They are dirty as dirty gets. And yes, they do pay the mob, and they do pay the democrats. Seen it first hand. I know its true.

      • Eddie47d

        What Mob? What Democrat? Tell us exactly who was paying whom?

      • Vigilant

        Eddie, check out http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

        I’ve given this link before, but apparently you didn’t feel it worth your time to check it. The unions of all stripe are the big donors to the Democratic Party. Hell, even the Dems admit it, why can’t you?

      • JeffH

        Vigilant, that link has been posted so many times the janitor knows it by heart…some just refuse to accept facts.

      • Eddie47d

        Beberoni still didn’t answer my question and my question had nothing to do with your list. Although interesting I see Vigilant and Jeff are the usual smart Azz’s.Nice to see you have the National Assoc of Beer Manufacturer,Walmart and surprise surprise GENERAL MOTORS. Whew! With the way you slam them around? Then there is BP and ENRON. Heck! I’ll take those union guys any day over your crowd.

      • JeffH

        47D, for someone who accused another poster of being “starnge at times” and someone who’s never answered answered a question when being called out for saying something totally off the cuff and someone who’s about one sandwich short of a bag lunch, you sure do a lot of “demanding” from others around here and post a lot of simple minded comments from your potty mouth. The only “smart azz” is the big dummy, 47D!

      • Eddie47d

        I answer almost all questions asked Jeff so stop poisoning the well.There may be times I don’t come back during the day so I may miss a question. I could point several times where you never answered my questions . So stop throwing stones in your glass house.

      • JeffH

        47D, once again, you’ve shown you are the liar!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        eddie,
        yes you answer questions at times, but with your worthless words and very seldom with proof or real stand up sites!!

    • Mick

      Barb says:
      April 8, 2011 at 7:40 am
      Unions to contain corrupt bosses? Are you kidding me! Unions are corrupt. Look at Wisconsin. Sorry to be off subject but couldn’t contain myself.

      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      Barb,,,

      Unions and democrats are very tight and very similar in their actions with a lot of respect for each other, I guess you could call it honor among thieves so why would an ethical citizen with America’s best interest at heart would want to elect the biggest crooks around ,,,it floors me to see so many support the crud of this earth…….

      • Thamera

        Unions = Legalized Mafia

  • hkcon

    the worst part of it all is, they make our guys follow engagement rules, especially in Iraq and Afghanistan, that are insane to the point of treasonous. Argue all you want about send them here or there and right or wrong, but when you do send them, do not tie both hands behind their backs and get them killed or injured in the name of politics. Our boys and girls deserve better.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I agree, and Vietnam was the worst case scenario of that. They sent them in, with no plans to win, left them in places being bombarded with no back-up coming, and told them not to shoot back. It was insane. Im pretty sure if I were there, I would have been court martialed, because anything that didnt look American to me, I would have shot, right or wrong, in war, self protection comes first. And these idiots at the top have no idea, most of them. That is one big difference in McCain and Obama, and although Im not a McCain man, the dude was there, and knows about war. Obama hasnt a clue. He has never had to suffer anything being taken from him. He has always been on the end of getting things given to him. Big difference in understanding these things when your brought up that way.

      • DaveH

        Even better, we shouldn’t have sent our soldiers there in the first place. Not our country, not our war.

      • Carlucci

        There or anywhere else for the past 50 years…

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Berberoni,
        On a flight one time, our pilot and crewchief both saw uniforms on a sampan and called in for permission to fire. We were told negative may be friendly troops. Well my pilot buzzed them two or three times and when they started firing he radioed in and told them, “Recieving friendly fire and returning same!! True story!!! I swear by the man above!! the CO tried his damnedest to courtsmartial him and the base commander got word of it and told him that anytime the pilots and men were fired on they WOULD return fire by HIS order!!! We were lucky to have him!!

  • Former Walmart person

    We have unions to fight corrupt bosses, so why not unions to fight a corrupt commander in chief? All it would take to end the war would be for the admirals in charge of each carrier battle group to agree to not send a single plane for a bombing mission unless at the very least, congress formally declares war. A single admiral could be court martialed. All the admirals / generals being court martialed is a little more difficult. And don’t give me that crap that soldiers have to blindly follow orders. Soldiers have to obey all orders that are in line with the constution. Technically, any soldier engaging in war that congress didn’t formally declare is considered a traitor and a warmonger, warmongering without the consent of the American people through the congress.

    Sigh…. we have unions where we don’t need them (public sector) and no unions where we desperately need them…

    • Lastmanstanding

      Unions are a group of people that are TOLD OR FORCED (in most cases) that they will be stronger if they stand “collectively”. So hiding in the crowd makes them stronger?

      Those who stand alone, individually, who recognize that if they can find someone just like them, will be far stronger.

      The Founders intended that everyone be an individual and be able to stand alone. Then choose to unite with another. That is FREEDOM.

      Marx coined the term “collectivism.” Enough said?

    • DaveH

      I agree with your sentiment, Person (that the military should refuse to get involved in Unconstitutional conflicts), but not your solution. The last thing we need is more Unions.

    • kodster5

      All the more reason why, if Obama decides to cut off the military’s pay, they should take their last paycheck, and go to the nearest airport and come home. That would speak volumes to Obama and his administration, as well as to Congress. That would be a unionized response to his administration. After all, all of these wars should be shut down!

      • Vigilant

        And it would definitely be Obama’s fault if the pay is stopped. He’s already said he would veto the Republican’s bill that would continue funding for the military through the end of the year.

        What an arrogant ass, putting politics ahead of our military’s welfare.

  • Ted

    The US attacking Libia really promotes Obama’s Muslim agenda.

    • Bob

      It does promote his muzzie agenda if his buds the muslim brothahood take over!!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      It does, it really does. It paves the way for the muslims to come in and rule, with us doing the dirty work for them. You cant see that?

    • jovianus

      Ummm…not only is there no “Muslim Agenda’ (another lie put out by the wacked)…but in case you didn’t notice, we didn’t attack Libya. It was NATO and the French and Brits were the first ones in the air.

      We have no ‘boots on the ground” and we’re supporting our obligations with NATO.

      Now what was that you were trying to say (or lie about)?

      • http://naver samurai

        No, but we do have boots in the air, called pilots, that drop bombs on positions there. I guess you can say that we do have troops there. Get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • DaveH

        You have no idea if there are boots on the ground or not, Jovianus. Neither do I. But I have to wonder where is the coalition getting its necessary ground intel from? Who is providing the laser targeting for the laser-guided bombs? And why would anybody in their right mind believe anything coming out of the Obama administration?
        http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/the-good-news-and-bad-news-about-sneakers-on-the-ground/

      • Dale on the left coast

        Jovi . . . Who is NATO . . . why its MOSTLY THE USA . . . do you pride yourself in being Clueless???

      • S.C.Murf

        The U.S. Air Force fired the first shot and we have had CIA on the ground for about 4 weeks now. What is your next lie jovbob?

      • JeffH

        jovi, why don’t you give it up! “boots on the ground”? You have to be paid to say the stuff you say because nobody could be that…???
        Maybe I am wrong and you really are that…???

      • JC

        jovianus says:
        April 8, 2011 at 8:33 am
        Ummm…not only is there no “Muslim Agenda’ (another lie put out by the wacked)…but in case you didn’t notice, we didn’t attack Libya. It was NATO and the French and Brits were the first ones in the air.

        We have no ‘boots on the ground” and we’re supporting our obligations with NATO.

        Now what was that you were trying to say (or lie about)?
        ___________________________________________________________________

        You don’t have a clue how things really work, do you?
        You are Hilarious! :)

    • Chris

      You have to have a good sense of humor to read some of this crap

      • http://naver samurai

        If its crap to you, then don’t read it and leave. We won’t mind at all. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • DaveH

        You don’t even know what “crap” he’s talking about, Samurai. Quit trying to censor people.

      • http://naver samurai

        Then he should elaborate better on what he’s talking about. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Chris

        Sam, I think I will stay; I get a kick out of some people making fools of themselves.

      • Carlucci

        Chris, B

        By all means, stay. Many posters on this blog come up with some very introspective (and at times, hilarious) comments.

    • Eddie47d

      If attacking Libya is Obama’s Muslim “agenda” then attacking Iraq must be Bush’s Muslim agenda.

      • Lewis Munn

        Could have been Cheney’s, to get more business to his company.

        Bush didn’t have enough brains left from his collegiate drunks to blow his nose if you set them all off at once.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    our troops should be home another good reason for impeachment.

    • http://naver samurai

      Speaking of which, I heard that a republican lawyer is drawing up a letter of impeachment as we speak. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Norm

        samurai
        When Reagan bombed Libya where were the impeach hypocrites?

      • http://naver samurai

        Reagan had approval of Congress and the Senate. Ergo it wasn’t unconstitutional. Obama bin Laden did this without the proper litigation process and WE THE PEOPLE behind it. Get your facts straight before you post abnorm. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • bob wire

        Are you sure about that Samurai, because it came as a great surprise to more then just Libya when it occurred?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Norm, do you think about what you say before you hit the submit button? Come on man. Obama acted illegally without congress. Reagan had congress’s vote. That is how we do things here in the United States. Its not that hard Norm. Come on man.

      • Eddie47d

        Ronald Reagan did not have Congressional approval before bombing Libya. This from the Freedoms Lighthouse site.

      • JC

        Samurai, Donald Trump has hired a team of investigators to go to Hawaii and find out what they can about the Kenyan. So far, no hospitals have any records of his birth…nothing…no where.
        And it was on (of all places) CNN this morning.

      • http://naver samurai

        Ronald Fein, a republican lawyer, is also drawing up impeachment papers as we speak. Maybe they’ll go before the SCOTUS, Senate, and Congress. Can’t guarantee the outcome, though. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And all the liberal ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC and other liberal rags are killing him for it. They put some bimbo lady on there saying “even the Governor of Hawaii says he was born here”. Big whip. Just because some democratic governor says something, were supposed to believe him? Give me a break. And like Trump said, why would he spend a half million dollars to not show it if he could show it? You tell me that makes any sense. The dude is an imposter, and Trump is calling him out. I hope he starts asking for him to show his college papers also, because Ive already seen too many things where people went to these colleges during the supposed years he went there, and no one can recall him being there, even admissions officers. Isnt that just a bit strange to you lefties out there? It is to the rest of us.

      • kodster5

        Beberoni, the man has spent in excess of $2 MILLION to hide his personal records, including why he and his wife had their licenses to practice law stripped from them. He’s got everything boxed up so tight, that the public wants to know why? As the man even says himself, “those that have something to hide, cannot be trusted”. Everyone else, including John McCain, was upfront and straightforward, about their birth certificates. Not this man! It’s because he DOESN’T have a birth certificate that qualifies him, per the Constitution’s specifications, to be POTUS! Now you wonder why Donald Trump, Newt Gingrich, et al, have come forward about their past marriages, affairs, etc? Because they know it will come out during the campaign process. So, the best defense is offense, in this situation.

        Obama has spent over $2 million defending his right to keep his records sealed, and for what? Wouldn’t it be easier to just bring out the damned birth certificate that everyone wants to see, the long form that proves that he is eligible, and just shut everyone up and be done with it? As Donald Trump says… that’s all he wants to see… he’s not a “birther” per se, but the fact that Obama continues to hide it, and spend money to keep it sealed, makes Trump even more suspicious about it, makes him doubt Obama’s eligibility, on a daily increasing level.

        Think about it!

      • Eddie47d

        Beberoni; It was the previous Republican governor who had said Obama was born in Hawaii. The new Democrat Governor said he would once again show it to the public but so far hasn’t.

      • JeffH

        47D, it was the current “governor” Abercrombie that said he new Obamas family years ago and would prove Obama’s birth was in Hawaii. As of today he’s admitted that he can’t prove it and has been unable to find President Barack Obama’s birth certificate despite an intensive search.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Beberoni,
        See, there’s where the MSN LIES!!! The governor said he would PROVE Nobumma was born there by citing his long form. the last word from him was that he COULD NOT FIND IT!!!

      • kodster5

        Mr. Fein is only drawing up a draft of the Letter of Impeachment. He is NOT a member of Congress. However, according to him, several Congressional offices have been in touch with him in order to use his draft to present it in Congress. Mr. Fein cannot present it, himself. So, let’s only hope and pray that those Congressional offices have the guts to get the draft, and use it against Obama. That’s the question that still waits to be answered. Who has the balls to do it???? And are there enough members of Congress who will stand up and do the right thing… get rid of Obama… or will they roll over and let him continue to take us to ruin.

        My gut feeling is, none of them do, and we will go down in ruin. I don’t want our troops overseas anymore. But we do need to be prepared to defend our country. We have absolutely no business in being in ANY other country’s affairs, including foreign aid. We have made a mess of our own affairs, we’re being considered hypocrites by other nations, and they are laughing at us, by us telling them how to run theirs. It’s time for us to shut up, and go back to what we were designed to be… isolationists. Our Founding Fathers did not want to be involved in other countries. One of the reasons why they designed our constitution so that CONGRESS, as a group, had to approve any declaration of war. They rightly figured that if a consensus of men felt it was necessary, rather than one individual, then the effort of war was worth it.

      • Dan az

        Kodster5
        Sign the petition below to help give the congress what they need, balls.
        http://www.petition2congress.com/2349/petition-to-remove-barack-obama-as-president-united-states-americ/

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Dan az,
        Thanks for the link! I’ve signed about ten of them so far and will sign any that I find!! I got the t-shirt and wear it proudly!!!

      • Kate8

        Dan az – I always wonder if these lists go to DHS.

        You know they could have them if they wanted to.

      • Dan az

        I dont know Kate,Hope so I relish the idea!Bring it on Big Sis!I know I’m on the list from all the letters that I’ve sent to congress and to bozo.I’m not getting any younger so the sooner the better.By the way what elevation are you at?

      • Kate8

        Dan az. I hear ya. I know I’m on a few of their lists, too, with all the emails, letters and other things I’ve participated in.

        Elevation? Around 2500ft. Why? Did you look at the US Navy Map?

        BTW, lots of people are saying the next quakes will hit the New Madrid area and Los Angeles. Seattle is another possibility. In any case, they are predicting them for THIS YEAR, at any time now.

        People monitoring the HAARP stations are saying that, just prior to the Japan quakes, HAARP was going furiously. It looks to me like this current scenario has been carefully planned out for decades: building nuclear plants on major faultlines, building HAARP facilities
        around the world, and so on. The latest thing I heard was that the military was hauling tons of quartz into the New Madrid area. Quartz would increase the resonance beamed at them, increasing the power of the quake.

        Anyway, it’s all been set up to destroy life on Earth. I don’t know if you know who Dr. Rima is…anyway, she treated a “well-known diplomat” awhile back (a woman) who said that it was almost time for the “culling” of the “useless eaters” to begin. She said that we are “using up all of “their” resources.

        I figure where I live will be beach. Of course, odds are a tidal wave would level most of the area. But then, like you said, I’m not getting any younger, so my only concern is my family.

        Que sera, sera.

      • Dan az

        Hey kate
        Yea I was looking at the map!Have you ever been tested for your esp?lol.
        Truth is I feel something coming soon dont know what but the bones never lie!Alot of spraying going on here daily,ten to fifteen jets at a time.I never gave it much thought before about the con trails but when you see a con trail next to the sprayers you soon become a believer.Hope you and yours are all doing well.

  • Dave Gross

    Maybe if we had less military might we would be less willing and able to get involved in every conflict in the world. It is time to close down many of our military bases overseas and bring troops home to spend money here. If we intend to cut government size the military should be substantially also.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Maybe if we cut the military we could make it easy for foreign terrorists to organize and take us over. Are you nuts? That is the biggest mistake we could ever make. Without a military stronger than the others, were toast. And thats the facts, jack.

      • Mick

        Beberoni says:
        April 8, 2011 at 8:25 am
        Maybe if we cut the military we could make it easy for foreign terrorists to organize and take us over. Are you nuts? That is the biggest mistake we could ever make. Without a military stronger than the others, were toast. And thats the facts, jack.

        >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
        Beberoni,,,You’re right.
        America has been the envy of many and need to be defended from take over.
        We’re already being invaded by foreigners bringing their culture and customs to our shores and demanding that they be observed and disrupting our OWN AMERICAN LAWS in the process, we’re getting it from both sides , within and overseas, it won’t be long before we lose control to other countries especially with the type of leaders we have now,
        Our Military forces are to remain strong to defend this land from all foreign enemies and fight the turncoats of this country if need be………….

      • Vigilant

        Bill clinton already did his best to emasculate the miltary. After his cuts, the extent of military cuts represented a force that would have been the second most powerful military in the world.

        The size of the military budget is related to the number of ill-advised and expensive wars we’ve engaged in, NOT the basic strength (manpower and weapons) of our standing force.

        The best way to ensure the peace is to prepare for war.

      • Lewis Munn

        One problem being it seems if we are ready for war, someone comes along and says “we’re ready, Let’s go.” and finds an excuse to start a war.

        And if we are large and prepared, what to we do with the little tiny countries that kick our shins? Swat them like flies?? Do nothing but moan, so we will not be a big bully?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Lewis,
        Look at the condition of the military hospitals during Klintoon’s term. The service to vets and maimed service members was greatly reduced to substandard!!! He and his hussy both demonstrated against this country during a time of war so why would he honor our agreement with our soldiers?? When we went to Iraq, the TO&E strengths in some units was well below mission ready, too few troops, not enough equipment, and too few veteran warriors. combine the three and the outcome is death to our troops if they ever face a more determined force!!

      • Eddie47d

        Mick; We are all initially from foreign countries. All our ancestors fled their wars,famine and poverty. The more wars we get into the more foreigners that end up living here. Why did the Muslim population grow so rapidly in America? Why are there so many Vietnamese living here? Why are so many “foreigners” invited to do our labor for us? I think the answer is rather obvious.

      • JKO

        Not all of us Eddie, some of us have ancestors that (supposedly) crossed the Bering Straight thousands of years ago. At least we do have first claim to these lands.

      • Vigilant

        Eddie says, “Why did the Muslim population grow so rapidly in America? Why are there so many Vietnamese living here?”

        No, Eddie, the answer is NOT as obvious as you seem to think. The answer is that your idol Ted Kennedy spearheaded an effort in the 1960s to radically change immigration law in the US. As a result, the quotas from Western Europe were severely reduced and the quotas increased for other nationalities.

        THAT is the true answer. Check it out.

      • JC

        Eddie47d says:
        April 8, 2011 at 10:37 am
        Mick; We are all initially from foreign countries. All our ancestors fled their wars,famine and poverty. The more wars we get into the more foreigners that end up living here. Why did the Muslim population grow so rapidly in America? Why are there so many Vietnamese living here? Why are so many “foreigners” invited to do our labor for us? I think the answer is rather obvious.
        —————————————————————–

        Let’s hear your obvious answer eddie.

      • libertytrain

        Eddie you should also check what special “dispensation” one got if one was Irish with Kennedy’s Immigration laws.

      • Eddie47d

        JC;You want me to answer myself? No, I’ll let you sit in a corner and do that to yourself.

      • JC

        Eddie47d says:
        April 8, 2011 at 7:00 pm
        JC;You want me to answer myself? No, I’ll let you sit in a corner and do that to yourself.
        —————————————————————-

        You don’t have an answer, do you?

        I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again,
        Liberals are incapable of complete thoughts.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Nice try, eddie, just spout some liberal spew and expect people to accept it as gospel cause it’s from the all knowing, all seeing mystical eddie!!!

      • usmadgirl

        Beberoni,

        A-M-E-N!!! I can’t believe that people actually want to reduce the only protection we have, the means by which we’ve stayed safe & a power for others to respect (until O’Dumbo)! What are people thinking?

      • Lewis Munn

        They are thinking it is too much bother to do anything. They are thinking that it is not their responsibility And yes, many are not thinking at all…just ignoring the warning signs. Thinking is too hard for them, and our modern schools especially are teaching non-thinking. Rote replies. Don’t think of consequences, just have fun and be popular.

        The public School nowadays, clear through grade school, teaches non-thinking. I recall back in grade school I had the whole class mad at me because I challenged the teacher on a scientifically-incorrect statement, and she made the whole class stay in from recess. When I finally got her to check an encyclopedia, I was proven right, but the whole class was punished for her incorrect info!

        What did they learn? It hurts to correct an authority figure who is in error!

    • Chris

      Amen, brother Dave.

      • http://naver samurai

        Since you have never been in the military, so it seems, then you should just keep your yap shut. Let’s see you try doing your job for no pay. Let’s see how long you and your family can go without food. Just another bleeding heart lib on this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Chris

        Samurai—If your comment was to me you need to get your head out of your ass and get your facts straight. I gave them 25 years and I would do it all again; however they do waste a hell of a lot of the taxpayers money. There is probably as much fraud in military contracting as there is in medicare. Greed, greed and stupidity rule.

      • Eddie47d

        Chris; Samurai can be strange at times.

      • Thamera

        Chris: I have no doubt that there is fraud and corruption in any government run program. Another testament to the fact that the government cannot run or manage ANYTHING effectively…but I don’t think that was what Samurai was talking about at all. I took his comments as referring to the low pay that the military receives…that contractors and govt. officials are corrupt, yes…most probably, but what does that have to do with the serviceman serving his/her country? NOTHING

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Chris,
        you want to see a lot of that fraud gone?? Do away with the Most Favored Bid List!!! Let there be open and above board bidding by anyone that can supply them!! Look at the contract a certain company in the Cleveland area had. they ran 30%+ overon their bid and when there was an investigation the gov. found that they had taken other perspective customers to dinners, used money from the contract to buy materials for other contracts and then they were banned from bidding on any contracts for ten years and fined 5 million. WELL, seems that the company owned the patten on the part and were the only ones on the list to supply so the gov. went right back to them to get them. They had overridden their contract by over seven million so they made 2 million clear and still had the right to bid!! ANY part that the government gets supplied should be able to be farmed out if the government finds a company that can do it cheaper and still have the quality!!

      • JeffH

        “Samurai can be strange at times”? I don’t think so!
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        Thank you, fellow patriot! I will admit to getting riled up when these lis come to this site and spread their lies and moronic beliefs, but other then that, I’m not strange at any time. If you want proof, ask the woman I’ve been married to for almost 26 years. She’ll tell you otherwise. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! I also agree with Dave H. on how we shouldn’t let the little things distract us from the mission. If we are distracted, morons like Obama bin Laden and the looney libs on this site, can impede our progress. Dave H., I know we have different beliefs, but I think of you as a fellow patriot and am proud to have all of the patriots stand tall next to each other in this fight. When I was in the army, I had a platoon of 40 fine fighting men. They were different religions, races, and came from different areas of the country, but I always told them that I only see green when it comes to them. If we’re all green, then we are on the same team and you don’t let little differences hinder performance. If they (looney libs) think I’m crazy, I’ll take that as being awarded another medal for fighting against the enemies of this country. I’ve been on this site since last year and I’ve notice that many of the enemies of this nation (traitors, cowards, libs, rinos, etc) have been voted out of office or don’t come to this site anymore, not that I’m complaining. Chris said he did 25 years for this country. I just want to say thank you. It’s not your service that I was talking about, but our troops and what this “messiah” in DC is possibly trying to do with them. Didn’t mean anything else. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://naver samurai

      Where did your brains go, there soldier? If we need money to pay off our debt then defund obamacare, get rid of our welfare state policies, medicaid, foreign aid packages to other countries (except Israel), etc., then we’ll be able to do that. He even now says that if the government shuts down, he’ll hold paychecks from our fighting forces? What moron expects an army to perform if they aren’t getting paid? How will they be able to feed their families? Are you an ostrich? Have you had your head buried somewhere for the last two years? It’s people like you that make me not want to quit. You know, the bleeding heart types that always make it possible for more of our troops to get killed. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • JC

        Love the way you think Samurai.

      • http://naver samurai

        Thank you fellow patriot! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • DaveH

        Being the world’s Policemen has nothing at all to do with patriotism. Our founders disdained getting involved in foreign entanglements.
        In fact, between the militarists and the welfare statists, we are fast putting our country in the financial position that will enable others to overrun us. And anybody who thinks knows that we have built up plenty of enemies out there.
        And on top of that, there’s the immorality of going overseas, picking a side, and then killing people from 5000 feet away. What happened to Innocent until Proven Guilty? Please don’t give me that “it’s war” crap, because it isn’t. We haven’t declared war on any country since World War II.
        I’m tired of the people in Government getting away with immoral behavior (stealing, killing) that the citizens would be locked up for.

      • Norm

        JC
        That’s a generous use of the word think.

      • JC

        Get back in your cave you immoral troglodyte.
        Oh! And have a nice day ;)

      • Dan az

        JC
        LOL!you made me look that one up!Me carry em big stick!

      • JC

        yeah, you don’t hear that one every day do ya? LOL
        Seemed appropriate.

      • http://naver samurai

        How about a joke my son told me today:

        Q: Why was Obama staring at an orange juice can in the supermarket?

        A: It said “concentrate.”

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Samurai,
        tell your son I said GOOD ONE!!! I wonder though, was it a joke or was it the truth??

      • http://naver samurai

        Joe H., it’s the truth in my opinion. He told me another one.

        Q: What do you call a 1000 liberals at the bottom of the ocean?

        A: A good start.

        Ah yes, the days of being in middle school. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thank God for our troops and thank God for our strong military. Without them, we would be easy pickings for our enemies. I mean looked what happened on 9-11, just from Clinton cutting our intelligence agencies and military in half. And we are still trying to build it back up. These lefties are pacifist appeasers, and everywhere, and I mean everywhere, that pacifism has been practiced, it has failed, and failed miserable. Without our strong military, we are doomed.

      • Tom Anderson

        Beberoni,

        Are you a paid agent for the Military Industrial Complex??

        You got it upside down. We are in gravest danger because of our strong military!

        9/11 occurred BECAUSE of our STRONG MILITARY – who do you think brought down building 7?

        Why did our military KEEP ALL OF OUR NORAD FIGHTER JETS ON THE GROUND?? And when those jets finally took off (hours later) they only flew at 25% of their maximum speed.

        Stop spewing your MIC agenda. General Washingon and Gen. Ike warned us about people like you!

        During Nam we had lots of freedom loving and constitution loving guys in uniform who were truly SERVING their country. Our present military are simple poorly paid Hessian whores who will commit ANY crime if ordered and paid sufficiently. They and their CIC must be held accountable for these murders that they are committing in Libya.

        Who do you think KILLED all of those kids and women at WACO – it wasn’t the local sheriff!! It was OUR MILITARY in tanks. And they will turn their guns on us too.

      • http://naver samurai

        You better be able to show proof or cite a source to back up that nonsense about us bringing down the WTC. Sorry, but Al Queda isn’t part of our military. Waco wasn’t taken down by our military, but by federal law enforcement under Clinton and Reno. I do agree that there are soldiers serving as patriots and to defend the Constitution. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Lewis Munn

        What ever happened to Teddy Roosevelt’s, “Speak softly, but carry a big stick.”

    • DaveH

      I agree, Dave.

  • Dad

    One reason for this “war” is to edge the US into a One-World Government, and in spite of the human rights abuses by the UN et al, to transfer American Sovereignty to despots like our own POTUS.

    Good article, but you need to keep you eye on the ball… smoke & mirrors. How many of you really think that an incompetent imbecile like Obama could orchestrate anything of this nature? He may take credit, but he is only a pawn.

    • DaveH

      Good point, Dad.
      There really is only one solution for all this, since there is no easy way to tell the good guys from the bad guys. And that is to shrink Government dramatically. Get them back to their historical task of protecting the citizens from force. Otherwise they should butt out. As it stands now, they are the forcers that people need protection from, both inside our country and outside our country. If we were living in any other country, I think it would be much clearer that our country has become the kind of aggressor that our Government would use as an excuse for war if another country practiced the same actions. For example, if China got involved militarily in Canada, what does anybody think we would do?
      There is only one political party that has unwavering principles and a solid grasp of Freedom. That party is the Libertarian Party. Please read their platform and ponder their stance. The major parties have marginalized us for decades as neither one of them wants the smaller Government that we advocate. But now, thanks to Fox (John Stossel, Judge Napolitano), and thanks to the Internet (which Big Government wants badly to silence) we are getting our message out to people who previously had no idea what we stand for:
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    • kodster5

      I agree, Dad, with your statement. Now the truth comes out… Soros is the puppet master of Obama and his administration. Now, who are the puppet masters of Soros? That is the $64K question. We find them out, and drag them out into the light, and let’s watch them squirm, the worms!

      • Eddie47d

        Soros might be the puppet master of Wall Street and capitalism for they are the ones who caused the collaspe of our economy and that of other countries. I think you put too much credence on Soros and if there is a NWO conspiracy it’s been going on for decades. You all talk about these shadow groups (illuminati’s,etc)Yet why aren’t you bringing them down? They run our capitalist system so they must be the bad guys. Maybe it’s just easier to piss and moan about conspiracy theories instead of actually tackling the problem. Soros is pretty much out in the open so who are these other capitalists that you are afraid of? Does it hit too close to home to expose them all and lay the truth out or is it all a rouse? Is your charade against Soros just an excuse to sprew anti- Obama Rhetoric? Soros is one of many billionaires so why single him out since they are all making piles of money?

      • Bitter Libertarian

        “You all talk about these shadow groups (illuminati’s,etc)Yet why aren’t you bringing them down?”

        I’d love to, perhaps you have a plan? Please do divulge for us since you throw it out there like it should be sitting on the tip of our tongue. :)

      • Eddie47d

        Few Americans have a clue about who really controls this country. I think all this talk about the NWO is just an excuse for an easy enemy. It’s like punching at shadows just to feel good. Either they exist and are doing real damage or we are all being fooled by innuendos.

      • JC

        Sadly BL, they don’t wear signs.

      • usmadgirl

        Eddie47d,

        The reason we’ve “singled out” Soros is because we have proof, right from the evil, radical source’s mouth, exactly where he stands, what his intentions are & what he’s done to collapse other countries. He’s used the capitalist system to make BILLIONS of dollars just like all the other idiots (like Michael Moore, Hollywood morons, Al Gore, 70% of the Democrat Party & all the other freaks) that scream for Socialism or Communism or whatever it is they want today & to shove us into a NWO.

        You said we “put too much credence on Soros & if there is a NWO conspiracy that it’s been going on for decades”. Well, Hello! George Soros has been an American citizen since 1956; so there you go! That’s five & ½ decades! AND, it isn’t a “conspiracy” when you have proof!

        This is a sick & demented game to this satanic maniac & we are the last piece to his gigantic evil puzzle to win the competition & fulfill his psychotic, narcissistic fantasy. He is doing this & has destroyed other countries or economic systems for his own twisted amusement!

        All the HUNDREDS of organizations he funds to tear down stability, morality & our free, capitalist way of life lead straight to the O’Dumbo regime & its comrades. He, like O’Dumbo, wants to create “Social Justice” & “share the wealth”. Well let SOROS & O’DUMBO, share their OWN freaking wealth! Most of us don’t have anything left to share! This man & his “puppet” are monsters that need to be charged with treason.

        http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1237

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71NXb-I-06c

      • Kate8

        usmadgirl – Right on!

        Let them all share their own wealth! But they don’t! In fact, they continue to amass more wealth than they’ve ever dreamt of, and they don’t share any of it. They just keep taking more and more of OUR money and stuffing it into their own pockets.

        How is it that they all become multi-millionaires, while holding government-paid positions?

        By taking bribes, pay-offs and pilfering, that’s how! By selling out to the highest bidder.

        They are nothing but weak, weasely, greedy scum!

      • usmadgirl

        Kate8,

        You can add “slithering snakes” to the description.

        Here’s an article about how Harry Reid got to be so wealthy from an entire lifetime of public office making an average from $125,000 to now, $193,400 per year.

        http://nevadanewsandviews.com/2009/12/24/how-did-harry-reid-become-rich/

        How did THAT happen? I’m sure there are LOTS more!

      • Kate8

        usmadgirl – Not just dirty Harry. Pelosi amassed over $21MILLION in less than 2 years. Odumbo became a multi millionaire. You will see this across the board, mainly among the democrats.

        They are taking from us and stuffing their own coffers by betraying their countrymen. They need to ALL be removed from office and given the punishment for TREASON. Even that is to good for them.

        To call them weasels, snakes or swine is insulting to those poor creatures.

    • JeffH

      Dad, I agree wholehadredly and think the same. Good point…buyer beware!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        A little off subject, but did you hear the report that Trump was once pro-abortion?? He has since changed his mind, or has he??? I worry that he is trying to be a spoiler that deliberately splits up the vote to allow Nobummer to again win!

      • usmadgirl

        Hey Joe H.,

        That’s what I tried to explain to someone on another topic last weekend who was pushing Trump for president. He can’t even decide what party he wants to support! I heard him say that he used to be pro-choice & had changed his mind. How convenient, now that he’s trying to get nominated on the Republican ticket! How is he going to make major decisions for the country when he can decide whether he’s a Dumbocrap or Repubican or whether he’s pro-murdering unborn babies or pro-life?

        He MIGHT be better than what we have now (Satan would be better), but why do we think we have to choose from the same old list of well-known, power hungry goof balls? (Plus, I couldn’t bear to look at Mr. Hairspray’s comb-over for 4 – 8 years! You’d think he’d have enough money to do something with his “hair do” or is it “hair don’t”.)

      • usmadgirl

        Joe H,

        I made a boo boo. First paragraph, 5th line should be “CAN’T decide”. Don’t want the typo police to put me in jail!

      • Kate8

        Trump admitted to voting for Obama. That, in itself, shows poor judgment.

        Bloomberg ran as a Republican, too.

        We need to dump both major parties and bring in new blood.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Kate8– I am with you on this!

  • Vigilant

    WSJ quote: “Mr. Barbour’s glib resort to this trope of the isolationist left suggests he hasn’t thought very hard, if at all, about foreign policy.”

    I think it’s a badly outdated position to identify only the left with “isolationist” views. Conservatives and Libertarians have realized for a long time that presidential forays into the world of offshore combat without Congressional approval are unconstitutional.

    While the Dove-Hawk paradigm has most often been equated with the Liberal-Conservative dynamic in the past, the realtionship no longer holds water in today’s America.

    The intelligent American has never believed that nation building is a worthwhile enterprise, and sees that it does more harm than good. Not only is it a terrible waste of people and money, it is a bad misreading on the part of American policy makers that leads to the arrogant belief that the world will welcome our style of government. Worse, it assumes that every other nation wishes to share our cultural values.

    Chip’s point is well taken. Nation building today is just a cover story to intrude into the affairs of sovereign nations that may be of some use to us, and the nobility of its aims is belied by our inaction in places like Darfur, Rwanda, Burundi, Somalia and elsewhere in the world where the need for “humanitarian” intervention would be more urgent.

    • http://naver samurai

      I agree with you, fellow patriot. We don’t need to be going into Lybia or anywhere else, for that matter. Our forces are over-extended, our supply line to the point of breaking, and from what I hear from my friends still in service, morale is low at this time. Let’s take our last 50,000 in Iraq and bring them home. Why should we guard a pipeline and don’t receive a drop of the oil that flows through them? Afghanistan has been transformed from its former self. It has a constitutional government, military (though not a very good one), and a strong leader. We have completed the mission in Afghanistan and Iraq, so now its time to bring them home. Bring them home and reopen some of the bases near our southern border to help stop the flow of illegals comming into this nation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Lastmanstanding

        samuria…what you said makes perfect sense to many of us. problem is, the elites of the world like it JUST LIKE IT IS…With the USA divided and with our men (troops) all over the place they know it weakens us. They want the NWO. They know that the USA is the key to it. They control much of the media, the dem. and repub. party. They could care less, our laws, our borders, our kids future are of no matter.

        For God sakes, every day we have to listen to the budget bs. Anyone that can’t understand the importance of a balanced checkbook is lost.
        Yet everyday, politicians spend and spend. The fed prints and prints.

        Yet everyday, our men and women serving with honor and pride are be kept from there full potential here at home with there friends and family. We must demand that our troops be brought home. Contact the losers that “represent” us an tell them that we have had enough.

        A arab man once said,” My father rode a camel, I drove a car, my son flies in a airplane…his son will ride a camel. What comes around…goes around. That day is not far off.

        Amen samuria…FOR GOD AND COUNTRY. (I like that!)

      • http://naver samurai

        Thank you, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • sylviam

        Just a few words to all PATRIOTS, THANK YOU, Thats is all I have to give I wish I had a lot more but I don’t.
        GOD BLESS AMERICA

      • http://naver samurai

        Never mind duhniso and eyes wide shut. They’re just here to stir the waters with their left wing lies, rhetoric, and inuendo. Sound like what a lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxist would say? I don’t know what you lefties have been smoking, but I think its past time for you to stop. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • JeffH

        samurai and fellow patriots, keep up the good fight!

      • Kate8

        JeffH, Samurai, Bitter-: This is a letter from Jesse Ventura to the ruling elite:

        Jesse Ventura’s Letter to the Ruling Elite!
        April 7th, 2011

        You control our world. You’ve poisoned the air we breathe, contaminated the water we drink, and copyrighted the food we eat. We fight in your wars, die for your causes, and sacrifice our freedoms to protect you. You’ve liquidated our savings, destroyed our middle class, and used our tax dollars to bailout your unending greed. We are slaves to your corporations, zombies to your airwaves, servants to your decadence. You’ve stolen our elections, assassinated our leaders, and abolished our basic rights as human beings. You own our property, shipped away our jobs, and shredded our unions. You’ve profited off of disaster, destabilized our currencies, and raised our cost of living. You’ve monopolized our freedom, stripped away our education, and have almost extinguished our flame. We are hit… we are bleeding… but we ain’t got time to bleed. We will bring the giants to their knees and you will witness our revolution!
        Sincerely,
        The Serfs.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, good letter.

      • Eddie47d

        Sounds exactly what a liberal would say. Thanks for coming around Kate and Jeff.

      • Kate8

        In your dreams, eddie.

      • Eddie47d

        Then you don’t agree with Ventura?

      • JeffH

        Kate8, it’s just 47D being…well uh…47D!

      • JC

        Eddie47d says:
        April 8, 2011 at 6:47 pm
        Sounds exactly what a liberal would say. Thanks for coming around Kate and Jeff.
        __________________________________________________________

        It doesn’t sound anything like what a liberal would say.
        A liberal lives in denial of ALL things real, moral and ethical.
        You’re a case in point your own self there, eddie boy. ;)

      • Kate8

        J C – Liberals definitely don’t like freedom. They have to use force to control everything.

      • eyeswideopen

        Kate, what world are you living in? The Conservatives are trying to control what you read, hear and what you do with your own body. What is laughable is that they are using the “Big Government” to do it. What happened with keeping the government out of our lives??? Big brother is in our doctors offices, soon to be seen in our bedrooms. Can’t wait to see which religious demonination will be the chosen Christian National religion. Maybe you will be lucky and yours will be the chosen one. Maybe not. I would laugh my ass off if it was the Mormons.

      • Denniso

        The irony,that the right can’t even see, is that they profess a loathing for most things Muslim,especially Sharia religious law, yet they push for laws based upon their often distorted view of Christianity…much like the radical Muslims do. Criminalize a woman’s choice over her own body,outlaw homosexuality,ammend the constitution to prevent gays from having the right to be married…

      • Eddie47d

        Always the shallow one aren’t you Jeff!!

      • Eddie47d

        Two sided Kate; You apparently praise Ventura when he just stood up for unions,the Middle Class,Clean air,etc when they are liberal ideals. He stood against stripping education,corrupt corporate greed and for personal freedoms when the liberals say the say the same.

      • Kate8

        eyes – What world are YOU living in?

        Just who is in charge right now, taking away more and more of our choices every day? FORCING us into this Obamacare control system, passing laws that take away our right to eat non-GMO foods (or even grow them), outlawing natural healing practices, FORCING our children into socialist education indoctrination that tells them to ignore the values and morality of their parents…I could go on and on.

        Not to mention the utter disdain for our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

        Are you even aware of who’s running things?

      • Kate8

        eddie – the whole idea that Conservatives oppose clean air and all the stuff you mentioned is just Leftist propaganda. We are for a healthy environment more than anyone.

        Unions are okay until they gain too much power. Then they become oppressive for everyone. Especially when they are used to empower a political ideology, and disallows choices.

        You are so clueless that it’s hardly worth commenting. Corporate greed is as much a part of the Left as anyone. Take a look at your politicians. All involved in massive corporations, all taking millions/billions in corporate payoffs (not to mention from illegal drug cartels), and all becoming millon/billionairs after taking office.

        Wake up, eddie. But then I know that you are in a permanent trance.

        BTW, Ventura used to be more to the Left of center, and friends of the likes of Clinton and other Lefties, but has learned shocking information about them which has caused him to see them for what they are: power-crazed genocidal maniacs intent on creating a slave-state, after first eliminating most of us.

      • JC

        eyeswideopen says:
        April 8, 2011 at 11:06 pm
        Kate, what world are you living in? The Conservatives are trying to control what you read, hear and what you do with your own body. What is laughable is that they are using the “Big Government” to do it. What happened with keeping the government out of our lives???
        _____________________________________________________________

        You’re confusing conservatives with Republicans.
        Progressives and Neo-Cons BOTH need to be eradicated.
        And the only way that is going to happen is to shut down
        the falsely named Federal Reserve.

      • Kate8

        eyes and eddie – Like it or not and,in spite of your liberal revisionist view of history, our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles of liberty and justice. If you don’t believe this, you only have to turn to the Torah and it is spelled out.

        This is a far cry from Sharia, which is about total submission, oppression, total lack of freedom, and barbarism. So, with what part of Islam are you supposed freedom-lovers so enthralled?

        You say you are for freedom and justice, but you decry the principles that provide that. Christians do not believe in FORCING anyone to do things their way. As long as we obey basic laws of justice, honesty, integrity, no one tries to FORCE you to do or believe anything. You may do as you will, but we reserve the right not to associate or do business with you, nor hand our children over to you.

        And there are some places where government has no reasonable purpose to intervene.

        You, on the other hand, think of freedom as seeing EVERYTHING YOUR WAY, even if it has to be legislated. You want to control everyones beliefs, FORCE us to, not only tolerate, but EMBRACE perversion, FORCE us to hire, associate and do business with everyone no matter how abhorrent we find their practices, FORCE us to sign on to and pay for programs we detest…there is no limit to your tyranny.

        Your obsession with the gay issue is a riot. For decades you worked to make living together, for hetero couples, mainstream. Now, you want ‘marriage’ applied to gays, who’ve always had the right to live together. Marriage is a word describing a union of OPPOSITES, man and wife (not husband and husband or wife and wife), so ‘marriage’, by definition, cannot apply to same sex unions. They STILL can live together however they want. You just want to desecrate a Sacrament that has been a Sacrament forever, because that strikes another blow to God’s Laws and God’s people.

        It’s never enough for you to get what you want. You have to FORCE everyone else to see things YOUR way, even if it means sacrificing personal freedom to think and choose. Freedom to you means FORCING your will on everyone, being free to practice all manner of perverse living while marginalizing and persecuting anyone who wants to live otherwise. It is to FORCE us to accept everything that has ever been held to be immoral or downright evil, in order for you to feel comfortable in your perverse lifestyles.

        It enrages you to see people prosper through right-living. You won’t be happy until everyone is brought down to your base level.

        You are the exact opposite of freedom. What you espouse is nothing less than absolute tyranny. What you wrongly accuse others of doing is precisely what you are guilty of.

        Your minds are warped and your hearts are bitter. You may think you are winning now, but in the end, you will LOSE.

      • Thamera

        Eyes, what world do you live in? Who is pushing for big government? What do you think Obamacare is all about??? As for The Mormons, how does that even figure into your equation? And Denniso: I like your ideas, I really do if it is motivated by the Free Market and not imposed on individuals through the government and taxation. As far as Europe is concerned what is their GNP compared to ours? You cannot ignore the GNP when discussing oil consumption. It is an important factor. I don’t know if you have lived in Europe, but I have and it is vastly different in many ways than America. I loved the time I spent in Europe, but to expect that America can just “adopt” some of Europe’s practices as far as energy consumption is concerned is comparing apples to oranges…you cannot do it. Possibly you could if America was only made up of the East Coast but it isn’t and it is either naive or simplistic to suggest that you can and/or that the government could or even should make wide sweeping regulations that effect an entire nation when each state is so completely different and I might ask, where does the constitution fit into your plans for the reconstitution of energy consumption?

      • Thamera

        So good Kate8…well said.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Eyes,
        you obviously don’t live in THIS world!!! If the conservatives are so into big Government, then why did they fight tooth and nail against the dems who were trying to KEEP the big government??? The conservatives cut 38 billion from the budget that over the next decade will cut 500 billion from the government spending!!! the conservatives have sworn to cut more as well!!! NOW who’s trying to keep BIG GOVERNMENT???? Get a CLUE,LADY!!!

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Kate8:

        That is great. Where did you see it?

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Homosexuality is deviant behavior. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

        Once a woman becomes pregnant, it is no longer just her body. Abortion is America’s holocaust. Chopping up babies and flushing them down a sink drain.

        This country was founded on Judeo – Christioan principals and neither of those above mentioned activities are pleasing to God Almighty.

        That is what liberalism is all about – anti-God.

      • Kate8

        Old Henry – Where did I see what?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Well eddie you little heathen, its like this. It is wrong to suck a live baby out of its mothers womb, no matter how it got there. It is MURDER plain and simple. And your right that a mother has a right on what to do with her body, but not with the body of the infant inside her that her and some liberal doctor are murdering. That is where you are wrong. And I will also guarantee you, that God did not design us to butt bonk our male counterparts. And if you think it is ok, then lets separate the whole gay community from the heterosexual community, and see how long they last. Just those right there, and thats it. They cannot multiply, therefore they die out. That right there shows how wrong it is. We can live without them, but they cannot live without us. If you think different, then you fool yourself. It is sexual perversion at its greatest level, as proven by many who went that way, and made it out, and they will to a man, tell you that it was sexual perversion that drove that to them, and they all used that same cop out, “I was born that way”. That is an old dirty lie, as old as the lies you tell eddie. You are wrong on these counts and many, many more. But relax, I will, because it doesnt matter what I say, or what you say, or what I think, or what you think, as we all get to bow one day to the Lord Jesus Christ, and tell Him an account of ourselves, which He already knows. You want to suck babies out of their mothers and murder them, all I can say is good luck explaining to the one that created life, that you decided to be a god yourself and snuff out that life. Really, good luck with that. And explain liking boys too. Again, good luck with that. Its wrong and destestable, or God wouldnt have written that it is an abomination to him for a man to sleep with another man as he would a woman. See Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13 and Romans 1:27, although there are more.

      • JC

        Here’s a thought Samurai…If they are unable to pass a budget, my understanding is that there are only funds enough right now, to pay the military until the end of the month…
        what if our soldiers were to simply head to the nearest airport, buy a ticket and fly home?
        Their missions are basically unconstitutional and they wouldn’t be getting paid so who could blame them?
        Just a thought…

      • http://naver samurai

        Point taken. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        JC:

        Just a thought.

        And a very good one at that!

        I was thinking the very same thing about 5 minutes prior to reading your post.

      • JeffH

        JC, not a bad idea…I know, and you know, that Congress is perfectly capable of keeping certain things going during a shut down and I think we all know the fearmongering media and Obama Dems want us to think otherwise.

      • JC

        For sure Jeff, I sawe an interview of that marxist little rat Harry Reid on CNN last night…HE certainly wants us to thinks so…

      • Kate8

        Kind of funny, them talking about shutting down “non-essential” government services and agencies. That indicates that a very big part of government is NON-ESSENTIAL. In other words, dead weight. People receiving tax-payer money for doing something NO ONE WANTS OR NEEDS.

        Let’s shut them down permanently!

      • Kate8

        I listened to a few callers on CSPAN tonight, regarding the possible gov shutdown. Most were, as usual, only interested in whether they’d get their checks. Sob stories o’plenty, how they rely on their checks, handouts and free medical care.

        We have a collapsing nation and people can only see as far as themselves, and what they are “entitled” to. Good grief, in a few short months, we may have NOTHING.

        We are a nation of wimps. If this is any indication, that rugged American spirit is dead.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Kate8–I heard some of those callers too. I have to say I was disgusted.

      • Kate8

        Claire – I attend every townhall that occurs in my district, and each time I go in hope that we can discuss what is besieging our nation.

        Each time, though, it’s the same thing: social security/medicare.
        All anyone cares about is getting their checks and services.

        This is how we are manipulated so easily. We willingly sacrifice everything that makes life worth living so we can get our checks and freebies.

        Each time I leave the meeting with a little less faith in America.

      • Kate8

        Claire, BTW, this also is evidence of how the medical system was set up to control us.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Kate8,
        you and I usually agree, so it suprises me to disagree with you now. Social Security is NOT A FREEBEE!!! Some people have paid into it their entire lives, like my Father. He retired but when he found the going too rough for him, he started a business and paid into it until a couple of years before he died!! It isn’t anywhere near free!!!

      • Kate8

        Joe H. – Sorry I wasn’t very clear. I wasn’t calling Social Security a freebie. I just happened to mention it along with freebies. The point I was making is that our country is COLLAPSING, yet people are only worried about losing their personal checks from the gov’t. The fact that we are about to LOSE EVERYTHING just seems to go over their heads. If we have no country, we have no checks!

        I get SS, too, Joe. I’m toast without it. But I know there are a lot of other things that need to be addressed if we are to have any semblance of a nation. Unless people start looking at the bigger picture here, past the ends of their own noses, we have no hope at all.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        JoeH:

        Yea, I had a cousin who paid into SS, like all of us – at gun point – for 45 years. He died very suddenly at 62 and had never gotten a dime back. All that money just disappeared into the Bernie Madof’s Uncle Frank’s ponzi scheme.

      • Kate8

        Old H – My Congressman even admitted that that was the idea behind SS – that most people would die before collecting much (if any) of it.

        That’s why they keep raising the age limit.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Question I have is this. If they shut down, does that mean all these top dogs in the Presidency, the congress, house and senate, governors, senators, and all, go without pay? Or do they just say were shut down, and they get to collect their pay for doing nothing. I can see them shutting down for a long time, to get a long, long paid vacation, so hopefully these lepers arent getting paid for doing nothing. But I myself, I dont trust them.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Old Henry and Kate8,
        that’s what I can’t understand. Even here, I see people in the paper that die at 55 to 65 years old almost every day!! how the hell is Social security running out of money?? Other than the fact that every Tom, Dick, and Harry is taking the money out for their pet projects, of course!!! At the rate people are dying, if the pols would just leave it the hell alone, it would be solvent for many a year!! especially if the PTB put back all that they have taken OUT!!! I remember in, I believe, 1982 or so that there was an article in the paper that said that Social security was running a balance of something like 100 million or so and it was doubling about every seven years or so!!

      • Steve

        why are we in Libya?…why are we still in South Korea, Japan, Germany and the middle east?…why did an ultra liberal president like Obama do exactly the opposite of what he said he was going to do and escalate the war in Afganstan and now send us into Libya…could it be that the military industrial complex is the enity that is actually running this country….and the president(s) are only a puppet who has to succumb to their wishes…all the while lining the pockets of the war mongers/defense contractors and at the same time destroying the lives of thousands of our servicemen and women and sending our country into bankruptcy….

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Basically we are in Libya because the U.N. told Little Barry to do it.

      • sylviam

        That one is easy to ansewr, OBAMA IS USING OUR MILITARY to gain his re-eletion and end of story.
        GOD BLESS AMERICA

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And to add to your list, just why are we in France? The rats wouldnt join in and help in Iraq, and they wouldnt let us use their “air space”. Close all the bases there and bring our guys home. Close all the bases in Germany and bring them home there also. And there are many, many more on the list.

      • Dr. Mabuse

        Samurai, I agree with most of your post, but I take exception with one point you made. “Afghanistan has been transformed from its former self. It has a constitutional government, military (though not a very good one), and a strong leader.” As to the “transformation” of Afghanistan, they’re still a de facto tribal society… not much change there. To me, their Constitution isn’t worth the paper its printed on,(Just ask the Taliban). Kharzi has shown himself to be a two faced puppet, flipping and flopping according to which regime is in Washington, D.C. His brother is the dopeman, (who do you think runs the poppy fields and collects that CIA money? Pat Tillman is rolling over in his grave). You are directly on point when you say bring our men home and have them secure our borders, (something that the last 3 Presidents refused to do.

      • JC

        So, overall, the corporatists have everything under control and the dope dealers are in bed with the local government.

        You’re right Dr. our military has brought them pretty much right up to speed with our kind of Democracy. What an accomplishment!

        We need to pull our kids out of these ridiculous wars.

      • Kate8

        Amen, JC.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        A very large AMEN, JC!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I totally agree with your statement about guarding the pipe line and not taking any oil. We should take enough of Iraq’s oil to pay for the war, and their rebuilding, and not use a dime of ours. And while we are at it, Saudi Arabia should be giving us free oil for protecting their worthless rotten muslim arse’s, because without us, these terrorists sects would come in and kill every stinking one of them and take all they have. I would pull out of there immediately, unless they agreed to pony up on the oil. Without us, they are done, and I assure you all, those Saudi’s are a bunch of posers, and they are not our friends. Not at all.

    • jovianus

      Just out of curiousity, and i’m serious about this…if Sammy in Iraq was touted to be a ‘strong active supporter of terrorist acts against us’, and we had that as a major validation for Bush’s oil empire building … with the proven crazed maniac in Khaddafi who has been directly and without doubt linked to several major terroist acts, Heck, even Reagan tried to snuff him …

      So we now have a chance with NATO action to take him out with assisting a popular uprising. Yes, we could stand back, let Khaddafi remain in place, or see what develops in the uprising…and have no say or influence whatsoever at the table if Khaddaffi is toppled. And I do mean no say whatsoever. Now what do you think are the odds of an anti US, pro extremist gov’t taking Khaddaffi’s place if we and NATO have no seat at that table? I’d proffer it to be far greater without us at the table than with us.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Dude, you need to get over yourself. There was no war for oil then, and there is none now, unless it is Obama and the democrats war for oil. Is that how it is? Yeah, thats right, Libya has oil. Now lets connect the dots to anyone at all in the democratic party who has ever worked for or represented any oil company, and there you go, its the democrats war for oil. But wait a minute, where is the national press trumpeting about this Obama-Biden-Halliburton whatever war for oil? Where is the national press about this war monger Obama, who has escalated the war in Afghanistan and started a new one in Libya. Those war mongering democrats. Where is the national press on this? My gosh, all I read for the longest time was the war mongering republicans, and Bush’s illegal war for oil. All lies. But where are they now, when the democrats are conduction their illegal wars, plural, for oil? Where are they? Bunch of [offensive word removed] they are.

      • jovianus

        Dude…you need to step back and get over yourself. Libyan oil is not a major factor in the worlds oil supply and i don’t see Haliburton anywhere in this admin but it was a major force in Bush/Cheney.

        Next…you’re saying that the country harboring bin Laden should not have been taken out? Seriously? While Bush pushed it aside so Haliburton and the cabal backing Bush/Cheney made billions off of invading Iraq using lies as a pretense… we should not go back and finish the job ? Pres. Obama promised he would concentrate on pursuing the Afhghan war during his campaign … you’d rather let it go back to the Taliban after Bush screwed it up and wasted American lives.

        Dude…get the colored glasses off.

      • DaveH

        Colored glasses are better than being blindered. You will stoop to any lows to support your leader won’t you, Jovianus? Here is a listing of the major oil producers, exporters, consumers, and importers. Notice Libya’s position in the exporter column (#11). Note also that Iraq is below Libya (#12):
        http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922041.html

      • http://naver samurai

        Don’t forget moron that Bill Clinton had the chance to take out Osama 3 times, but didn’t. Why? Because he was affraid that they would come over here, well he didn’t take him out and he still came over here, didn’t he moron? All of the sites that were hit and all of the Americans lost in these attacks (I don’t know the exact loss figures) and not once did he retalliate, until the Monica thing got to be too much for him and he bombed some abandoned camps and an aspirin factory. Bush and Reagan also had votes from the Congress and Senate before doing any action, but Obama bin Laden goes and does this thing without that required voting process. This is unconstitutional and there is now a republican lawyer that is drawing up papers of impeachment against him as of now. His name is Bruce Fein. I hope he able to bring these charges and get this traitor out of office. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Bruce D.

        Dude, I agree with Beberoni. You of all people I thought would be against starting another war. I would think the two wars we have now and Obama expanding the Afghan war into Pakistan would have been enough for most Americans. We really do not have anymore money for wars and nation building. You know if we are in there we will be sending them money for certain to rebuild. We certainly didn’t make any profit on Iraq oil like you suggest. Libya is just another country we will have to babysit. Most likely we will build another 500 million dollar embassy there. I think fiscal conservatives have had enough. The left always believes that there is a never ending supply of other peoples money available.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Sorry dude, you lie again. Bush and Cheney did not make billions off of Iraq. In fact, quite contrary to your lie, we spent billions freeing them. Now if I were running things, yes, I would have taken their stinking oil, at least enough to pay for the war. But they didnt. And again, you lie, and seriously, its quite obvious you lie. And also, get educated on business. When doing business, you place bids, and more than not you go with the low bid, but sometimes you want to make sure youve got the right guys. I know, we get a lot of bids where we werent the low bidder, but the customer insisted to the General contractor to use us, because were that good. When it comes to putting out oil fires, there are two big companies, and Halliburton is recognized as the best of the best. So who you gonna use? My company isnt going to do it, because we dont do that. But Halliburton does. If I had an oil well fire, they would be the first I would call, and they are first most oil producers call when they have a problem like this. But what money Halliburton made, DOING THEIR JOB, had nothing to do with Bush or Cheney. You know, those guys to fill out tax returns, and they are public information, so maybe you need to check that out, and provide the proof of your lies. Oh wait, you cant. Your beating a dead horse. They freed a country of millions, did not take their oil, got rid of a mad man, and people are free, and now countries such as Egypt, Bahrain, Tunisia, Libya and even Iran see the freedoms Iraq has, and they want it too. And though Im not against bombing Libya and taking this idiot Khadafy out, it wouldnt have been a bad idea to, you know, maybe have some kind of a plan. Dont you think maybe we should have had a plan first? I mean we had a real good plan in Iraq, until the democrats came into power and got off course, and announced our leaving date and stupid things like that. Thing is Jovi Anus, you cannot in the real world, attack, attack, attack Bush/Cheny for a war, then your guy escalates it and starts another, and give him a free pass. Hello? Anyone home? You cant do that man. If one is bad, both are bad. If one guy is wrong, then they both are wrong. You cannot sit there and say “this bastard started a war”, then look at your guy and say “hooray, Barack is doing a good thing”. It cant be that way, except in a left wing liberal world where your always right and everyone else is wrong. But in the real world, this is not acceptable behavior. So get over yourself.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Actually Jovi Anus, the Bush admin almost had the Taliban completely exterminated. It has regrouped under the Obama admin while they were sleeping. He may have escalated this war, and sent 10,000 more guys over there, but according to the military heads, they are just spinning their wheels. And remember General McChrystal who was removed, because he had the audacity to talk to the press and tell them that he hadnt heard from Obama for 6 weeks? And this is the guy running the war. So what kind of a handle on the war does he have, if he doesnt talk to the guy coordinating it for 6 weeks. Think about it son, just think about it. That lays it out pretty good as to what kind of a leader he is.

      • Bruce D.

        I am thinking along the lines you are Beberoni. Take Libya’s oil until the debt of their war is paid in full. Government was stupid not to do that in Iraq. We should have grabbed their oil or left Iraq when Hussein was captured and we realized there was WMDs. This idea of using taxpayers money to rebuild the world has got to change. Reagan bankrupted Russia to defeat the Soviet Union. Bush and Obama are doing the same thing to America that Reagan did to Russia.

      • http://yahoo richard

        so, it is bad for some oil exec. that might do something for this country,to back a president,but its ok for a communist that is trying to destroy this country to buy us an ilegale for president

      • jovianus

        Berboni…almost had the Taliban exteminated/ Wow … I can’t believe you say that even halfway believing it to be true. That’s why our Main Supply route was cut, that’s why we were bottled up in cities, that’s why we ignored any action othe than defrensive, that’s why we had a totally corrupt government put in place…because we almost had the Taliban exterminated.

        Wonder where they all came from then … have you? jeesh…what a crock of BS.

      • azwayne

        Dave, you’re hitting head on. Sorry missed, name for the blinded ODUMBO follower. When you want the source for all your thoughts study the Bilderberg Group. They have controlled who becomes president, they have filled congress, for decades, they picked who gets controlling roles, they pick media, why are things getting tense? The information and education sources are opening up, will they give up, they’ve arranged for 50-60 years, why do dictators need removed from middle east? it’s going to be easy to take over whole region, somebody can’t see Haliburton operating in ODUMBO’s circus look them up, coincidence they were responsible for oil well disaster? You think all these attrocities just happen, you probably believe in the big bang theory. We won’t convince many right off, but please start research, and question. Every concerned person better get ready to make a difference, and some better educated would sure be great.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Its called recruting Jovi-Anus. In the two plus years of Obama, Taliban and Al Quaeda recruiting has brought in mass numbers, because they fully recognize the pacifist appeasers running things now. I mean after all, this guy bought lawyers to defend them after they got caught trying to kill us, then he set a bunch of them free, just for our guys to catch them trying to kill us again. Why would they be afraid. It is all your left wing liberals fault, as they have taken their eyes off the ball.

      • usmadgirl

        Beberoni,

        You are exactly right! It doesn’t matter what our current Communist-in-Chief does, he’ll get a pass from his messiah-worshiping media.

      • Kate8

        usmadgirl – No kidding.

        I’m still shaking my head over eyes and eddie’s posts blaming the Right for our loss of freedoms.

        Do they even know who’s had total power since 2006?

        Blows my mind how deluded the Lefties are. Seriously, if they haven’t figured this out by now, it’s hopeless.

      • usmadgirl

        Kate8,

        It never ceases to amaze me, exactly how progressives come up with this stuff & I suppose, truly believe what they’re spewing. I’ll NEVER understand how they condone their immoral, irrational, radical views.

        I don’t come on here much anymore & Tinwarble just gave it up completely because it’s like beating a dead horse. I’ve seen a few comments on this site & a few others where Democrats/Liberals, thanks to the radical actions of this administration, have finally seen the light & have changed their evil ways. I sincerely admire them for their independent thinking & enlightenment.

        I’ve always been a Republican/Conservative, but until several years ago, I actually thought most Democrats were like Zel Miller. Boy! Was I shocked when I really started listening & researching & found out what 95% of the Democrats/Progressives were actually all about…Socialists/Communists/Marxists/Maoists. It’s been a rude awakening for me. I thought all those “ists” weren’t ALLOWED in our country & now they’ve been voted into office to make the DECISIONS for our country! How & why have we allowed this to happen…without any resistance?

      • Kate8

        usmadgirl – I get fed up with the Leftist posters, too. I know that they only come here to make trouble, and to despirit us. When it gets to be too much I just skip over their posts.

        We’ve gotten to this point because the real statesmen who tried to warn us have been demonized and destroyed. There have been several. Two big ones were McCarthy and Goldwater. They tried continually to tell us that we were being infiltrated and corrupted from within, and they were both persecuted and driven out of public life in disgrace.

        Goldwater was a true patriot who was trying to awaken the public and save America. But no one wanted to listen. History has proven him, and McCarthy as well, as absolutely correct.

      • Kate8

        BTW, At the time, the late ’60s, early ’70s, my new in-laws were Goldwater conservatives, and members of the John Birch Society.

        I thought they were raving loonatics. My husband and I made fun of them.

        Too bad they are gone now. I feel really bad about it. They saw and understood what was coming.

      • usmadgirl

        Kate8,

        I was reading about McCarthy a couple of weeks ago & the article I read still made him out to be an alcohol-saturated nut job. I can’t remember much about Barry Goldwater except that I liked him. I was pretty young when he ran for president. Things might’ve been totally different now if he’d been elected instead of lying, progressive LBJ.

        You are so right! They have demonized those who were right & are doing the same thing now. I just looked up The John Birch Society & laughed (even though it’s sad & pathetic) when I saw the description on Wikipedia: “The John Birch Society is an American radical right-wing political advocacy group that supports anti-communism, limited government, a Constitutional Republic and personal freedom”. WOW! A group that supports anti-communism, limited government, a Constitutional Republic & personal freedom. You can’t get much more radical than THAT! LOL! THIS is why we’re in trouble!

      • DaveH

        First you accuse Bush of engaging for self-interest (oil), and then you advocate engaging Libya for a seat at the table (self-interest). Make up your mind, Jovianus.
        We don’t really know who the good guys or the bad guys are over there. Maybe they’re all good. Maybe they’re all bad. There is no way we can know. We should have butted out of Iraq. And we should have only punished Afghanistan for harboring and training the 9/11 terrorists (if they even really did that), and then got out. No nation building. We have no business at all being in Libya.
        Virtually all great empires have overextended themselves and subsequently been overrun by their enemies. Let’s not go down that same path.

      • Pat

        What is absolutely amazing to me is the fact that our ‘esteemed congress’ did not rise up in an uproar over being ignored by our so-called ‘constitutional scholar’ president. Not a peep! Not a single complaint from this bunch of wussies! It is getting harder abd harder for me to be proud of my country’s behavior.

      • maggiemoo

        Actually, in the senate anyway, Rand Paul and Mike Lee both spoke out about it (and against it).

      • bob wire

        “It’s become the most ignored moment of the Libya story. On March 1, the United States Senate voted unanimously for a resolution calling for a no-fly zone from the United Nations. The Senate is on the record in favor of this action, at least before President Obama actually took action.”

        True! “O” didn’t consult Congress, ~ movement on the ground did not permit him the time, but whatever Congress might have taken days or weeks to decide must be approved by the Senate.

        So to suggest that the President acted completely alone without consulting other bodies of government is a erroneous charge.

        “O” is guilty of “fast tracking” government and the rapid deployment of special military resources, something only the USA is in the position to do and no other.

        If any nation does not wish to have and maintain this capacity of controlling world events and be a world leader, perhaps military defense budget requires a good pruning by it’s people.

      • jovianus

        Maggie…I guess that’s why they voted for the unanimous Senate Resolution calling for regime change in Libya US action in having the regime change, and calling on the UN to do something. Because they were against it. uh huh Only in revisionist history I guess…

        BTW…they had 24 hours to object to that unanimous vote…they didn’t. Now they say they had no time to object. Jeesh…someone is being led down the primrose path of lies and deceit…best look in the mirror to find out who it is.

      • DaveH

        Which bill was that, Jovianus? Keep in mind that both Senate and the House of Representatives must approve military action.

      • DaveH

        Also keep in mind that a Simple Resolution (one passed by only one house of Congress) does not have the force of Law.

      • DaveH

        And as is typical in Government, there was deception practiced in the Senate:
        http://blog.heritage.org/2011/04/05/senate-resolution-requesting-no-fly-zone-in-libya-changed-in-secret-2/

      • DaveH

        Speaking of deception. Keep on commenting, Liberals. Please. How else can we convince people that you lack in integrity?

      • JeffH

        DaveH, it was simply a resolution, not law, and had nothing in it that would support US or UN attacks on Libya or Ghadaffi. It didn’t give the POTUS any support or authorization to take the US to war, anywhere.

        the US Senate has unanimously adopted a resolution asking the UNSC to consider imposing a no-fly zone over Libya while condemning the “gross and systematic violations of human rights” in the country.

      • Carlucci
      • DaveH

        Good post, Carlucci. I think even the Liberals won’t argue about that one.

      • bob wire

        Pat says:
        April 8, 2011 at 9:07 am

        What is absolutely amazing to me is the fact that our ‘esteemed congress’ did not rise up in an uproar over being ignored by our so-called ‘constitutional scholar’ president. Not a peep! Not a single complaint from this bunch of wussies!

        Well Pat, look at it like this; why vote on something that is unpopular and can potentially cause you serious grief? When you can allow the decision to be made by “others” and have the privileged and time to check the prevailing wind and make political hay according to what’s popular and any outcome?

        The sad truth is, Congress would have hated to have voted on it and chewed on it until the cows came home. “O” knew this and didn’t have the luxury of time and made the command decision of leadership and when straight to the Senate, being the best that he could do or “do nothing” and allow rebel resistance to be silenced.

      • bob wire

        Well the Bush/Chaney “interest” is a Hugh worm hole and has much to do with present and future mineral extraction world wide.

        On the surface I seriously doubt if you would find any connection but I wouldn’t bet the deed to the ranch on it.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Who is Hugh? Hugh Hefner? Hugh Grant? Who in the heck is this Hugh guy?

      • JC

        Not sure what you’re trying to say Jovi, but it looks like your rationale is two wrongs make a right.

      • DaveH

        Typical for Liberals.

      • http://naver samurai

        Well, you know how it is for the libs. Why let truth and reason stand in the way of a good rant. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • bob wire

        “Not sure what you’re trying to say Jovi, but it looks like your rationale is two wrongs make a right.”

        after 8 years of wrongs, that’s about the only sound argument at your disposal you have left to make. And of course, ~ you are correct.

      • Eddie47d

        Here we go again ad nauseum those bad ol’ liberals. They are everywhere. How about bad ol’ conservatives who who rallied for Iraq. You know who you are and then voted Bush back into power. You sly dogs you! Since I’m against our Iraq and Libya incursions I see most of you blowing hot air.That’s the real flip floppin’! If you were more honest in 2003 then you might be believable.Beberoni said we had a good plan in invading Iraq. What planet is he living on? Obama is just as careless in his Libya adventure where nothing might be gained. Chip really showed his bias when he tried to tie Obama into the Rwanda genocide.That was almost 17 years ago and an extremely cheap shot.

      • JKO

        Eddie, there is still much genocide going on in African countries. But I do agree, that Bush should also have done more about this. But then so should Europe.
        And don’t even get me started on the actors that speak against it and do nothing – many who make $20M a film.

      • DaveH

        Actually, Eddie, I consider anybody who advocates Big Government to be a Liberal. So there are two subgroups in that group — the militarists and the welfare statists. Both like Big Central Government, and both are willing to ignore the Constitution to achieve it.

      • JC

        bob wire says:
        April 8, 2011 at 9:36 am
        “Not sure what you’re trying to say Jovi, but it looks like your rationale is two wrongs make a right.”

        after 8 years of wrongs, that’s about the only sound argument at your disposal you have left to make. And of course, ~ you are correct.
        ——————————————————————

        Bob, if you’re assuming that my position is, or ever was Pro Bush, you assume incorrectly. He was an a**hole too. But Obama is worse…much much worse.

        I’m a Constitutional Libertarian and neither mainstream party represents me.

      • bob wire

        Hmm? as I stated, you are correct and if not for you ~ this same argument is used by others, alone with giving 43 credit for “what didn’t happen” which of course is another scares “valid’ argument.

        and thanks for filling in your background and origination of your viewpoints, that should be helpful to all of us.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        DaveH,
        Isn’t it just hilarious the way the progs seem to be ignoring Carlucci’s post and site???? Goes to the saying when in doubt, avoid the truth at all costs!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        His rationale is that every thing anyone other than a democrat does is wrong, and everything the democrats do is ok. Is that not the liberal think tank, that they know what is right and best for all of us? That is what I see from them, over and over again, and Jovi Anus reflects this think tank. But he is dead wrong. You cannot demonize one guy, then place the other on a pedestal, for doing the same thing. You cannot do this, in the real world, only in the left wing liberal world.

      • jovianus

        Wow..ignorance must be in bred in the right. Sammy..contained, no threat, stable government diffuclt to overthrow. Bush lied about WMDs and gave oil rights, minerals rights, drilling rights, army contract etc. to one company..the one which the VP used to head.

        Libya…not contained, popular uprising underway, documented and known to assist terrorists (no need to make stuff up like Bush did with Sammy). NATO action, NATO planes, the Brits and French went in first. An alliance with strong allies (not the hokie poikie BS alliance Bush touted…) No troops or invasion being mentioned. Anyone who cannot see the differnce is blind or self ignorant.

        Whatever…you guys are something else. Worthless as tits on a boar and half as intelligent. Jeesh …

      • Vigilant

        Remember that the left has always been the champion of moral relativism, i.e., they feel entitled to change their moral judgments based on whatever suits them at the time.

        That’s why so many of them are atheists. They have no firm moral anchor for anything they spew.

      • Eddie47d

        Vigilant; I hope you weren’t referring to Bush being a Christian and his “moral” standing gave him permission to invade Iraq. Are wars more right because a Christian started it? Are conservatives more moral when it comes to decisions like this? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 so please don’t go there.

      • bob wire

        “That’s why so many of them are atheists. They have no firm moral anchor for anything they spew.”

        That’s pure bull $hit! ~ attempt to prove it and not look totally foolish in the process.

      • JKO

        For Eddie once again. Bush had the right to go into Iraq as Saddam continued to break his treaty on a daily basis. Whether it was moral or not can be questioned. But at least women in Iraq are a little safer that in the other countries in the region.
        And yes I had a vested interest. My son left to join the military 1 week after 9/11. Thank God he came home safe. I was VERY concerned when we entered Iraq. But I would trust Bush’s decisions over Obama’s any day. And here is why. Bush did what he said he would do and whether I agreed with him or not at least I knew he would do what he said. Obama promised we would get us out and all he did was the opposite- sent more troops in.
        I am all about each person having an informed opinion and it doesn’t have to agree with mine. Just be consistent – say what you mean and mean what you say. I just don’t see that in Obama.

      • Vigilant

        bobwire’s comment:

        That’s pure bull $hit! ~ attempt to prove it and not look totally foolish in the process.

        One need not attempt anything to prove what is displayed every day on this blog. If you can’t face reality, bob, why do you comment at all?

        I can’t remember AT ANY TIME reading a posting from an atheist who didn’t espouse leftist views. You’re welcome to try and find one, but you’ll be looking for a long time.

        Virtually all assaults on the Constitutional principle of religious freedom have come from the left. When’s the last time you heard of any Christian or Jew trying to impose THROUGH LAW the establishment of religion as a national church.

        I guess you’ve never heard of Madeline Murray O’Hare or the ACLU. Are you trying to tell us it’s the Conservatives who have done everything in their power to subvert the meaning of the First Amendment’s prohibition on the free exercise of religion?

        And you would deny the very DEFINITIONS of liberal and conservative. Or are you saying that there’s a third position, not liberal and not conservative, that is called “atheist?” No sir, go out on the street and talk to 100 persons. Find even one conservative who claims to be an atheist and you will be lucky indeed. There’s a reason why the stereotype of “liberal atheist” is so ubiquitous.

        I’m afraid you are the foolish one, bob, for making such a naive statement that contradicts the obvious.

      • Vigilant

        Eddie:

        “Vigilant; I hope you weren’t referring to Bush being a Christian and his “moral” standing gave him permission to invade Iraq. Are wars more right because a Christian started it? Are conservatives more moral when it comes to decisions like this? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 so please don’t go there.”

        Where did I say that “moral standing” gives any president “permission” to do what he wants? What I said was very simple: that moral relativism is undoubtedly found to exist much more amongst the lefties than the conservatives.

        Moral relativism is that which has made so many leftists conclude that the Constitution is not the law of the land, that their particular self-styled moral superiority gives them a reason to bypass the law any time they want.

        No, my friend, it’s the ever-shifting morality of folks like jopa and Jovi Anus that allows them to berate Bush and glorify Obama for essentially the same actions. It’s the true Conservative/Libertarian who sees the unconstitutionality of BOTH Bush’s and Obama’s forays into overseas military action.

        And to continue to paint GWB as a Conservative is dishonest at best.

      • bob wire

        Vigilant say;”There’s a reason why the stereotype of “liberal atheist” is so ubiquitous. ”

        so your argument hinges on the notion that “ALL drunks are not painter but ALL painters are drunks”

        I think that you tend to live in a very small world that permits one to appear to cope and exist in a sea of people that you share little in common.

        I’m sure the humor elude you and that you feel righteous in your tiny comfort zone and understanding of the world around you.

        In this attempt to demonize everything the least bit connected to the current administration you are a Pioneer among ditto-heads.

      • karolyn

        Vigilant -What makes you think atheists aren’t moral? What makes you think most liberals are ahteists? Where do you people get this from? I just think that whatever you think is bad in a person only occurs in liberals. ALL conservatives are Christian and moral! Is that what you believe?

      • JeffH

        Vigilant, I believe that DaveH has indicated at times that he is an atheist and he is about as moral as they come.

      • Vigilant

        karolyn said, “Vigilant -What makes you think atheists aren’t moral? What makes you think most liberals are ahteists? Where do you people get this from? I just think that whatever you think is bad in a person only occurs in liberals. ALL conservatives are Christian and moral! Is that what you believe?”

        Who the HELL are you to put words in my mouth? Do you have even a limited understanding of the English language, or is that the trait of all liberals?

        TO REPEAT, “What I said was very simple: that moral relativism is undoubtedly found to exist much more amongst the lefties than the conservatives.” I’ll add to that and defy you to prove otherwise, the following: “atheism is undoubtedly found to exist much more amongst the lefties than the conservatives.” Those are both empirical statements, subject to scientific test, NOT rash opinions.

        Find ANYTHING in my postings that ever said I think most liberals are atheists and I’ll eat my hat! And who said ALL conservatives are Christian and moral? Those are your words, not mine. For Christ’s sake, get your head out of the sand. I totally resent your implications.

        It would be nice, just once, to have a liberal READ my postings instead of READING INTO those postings and attributing to me words and feelings I never said or have.

      • Vigilant

        bob wire blathers the following:

        “Vigilant say;”There’s a reason why the stereotype of “liberal atheist” is so ubiquitous. ”

        “so your argument hinges on the notion that “ALL drunks are not painter but ALL painters are drunks”

        No, the argument hinges on observable fact and inductive thinking.
        Only the naive and uneducated could EVER say that the numerical distribution of atheists among the liberal and conservative populations is the same. It’s not so and you know damned well it’s not so. I don’t stereotype people as you do, I talk about preponderence of evidence and observation. And the undisputable fact remains that the likelihood of finding an atheist with conservative views is very small.

        “I think that you tend to live in a very small world that permits one to appear to cope and exist in a sea of people that you share little in common…I’m sure the humor elude you and that you feel righteous in your tiny comfort zone and understanding of the world around you.”

        What an asinine statement. When did you get credentials to be a psychologist, and where? We’ve all seen you take this tack before. So many times when someone disagrees with you, you accuse them of provincial thinking, mental problems and megalomania. No sir, YOU are the person who stereotypes, not I! Your cheap armchair psychiatry is not welcomed.

        “In this attempt to demonize everything the least bit connected to the current administration you are a Pioneer among ditto-heads.”

        And you have the gall to make that statement directly on the heels of my taking the Bush administration to task as well as the Obama for unwise and unconstitutional military actions in the Middle East. Take a reading comprehension course.

      • Vigilant

        JeffH,

        “Vigilant, I believe that DaveH has indicated at times that he is an atheist and he is about as moral as they come.”

        Yes, I agree, but I would caution against making the mistake that karolyn and bob (“the psychologist”) wire make in attributing statements to me that I didn’t make. I never said “all atheists are liberals,” nor did I ever say, “all liberals are atheists.” That was the cockeyed misinterpretation made by K and BW.

        I totally respect both your and DaveH’s opinions on things, you know that.

        I would hope that DaveH weighs in on this, because I believe he would agree with me. The preponderence of atheist views are found on the left as opposed to the right. That’s not to say you’ll never find an atheist on the conservative/libertarian side, any more than it is to say that people on the left have no religion.

        The gist of what I said was that religious people need and have a firm, unwavering moral anchor in God. That firm anchor is authoritarian and absolute. Unreligious people generally have no firm anchor in an immutable, supernatural truth of existence. They rely on something called “secular humanism,” a rather arrogant philosophy that posits the superiority of humankind in establishing moral norms.

        The difference should be plain to see: In the absence of a rigid moral code, anything can be considered moral if the powers that be say it’s moral. People are fickle, and moral standards are in a constant state of flux when you rely on human frailty for guidance.

        Most of the important Founders were Christian in name (for convenience’s sake) but held to Deist views, a position I hold myself. For them, and for me, the authority of Natural Law makes sense, that there is a Creator who made those laws, and that mankind can through reason alone discover them. The limited expression of natural rights in the Declaration of Independence is a mainstay of the Constitution, and its expression imbues the Constitution to the extent that it wouldn’t mean much without it.

        The moral relativism of the left seeks to invalidate the rule of law by saying the Constitution is a “living document.” That convenient canard has led to almost systematic disregard of its provisions, and worse, to the attitude that whatever we think moral or immoral at a given time is more important than adhering to the law. It leads to judical activism and executive fiat, the Constitution be damned.

      • JeffH

        Vigilant, I should have added that I do agree with your basic observation and, yes, we do see it right here almost daily.

      • Thamera

        Well said Vigilante and I couldn’t agree with you more. Many of the comments I have read are very simplistic without a lot of thought or study (Karolyn comes to mind). Moral relativism is akin to “fence sitting” and in the end will get you nowhere and is in fact quite dangerous and is always practiced in the name of “being kind” and “generous” and “accepting” of others. I realize this a dangerous position to take because when you take a firm position on moral issues you are instantly labeled by the “relativist” crowd as “mean”, “cold-hearted”, “uncaring” etc…. That is how libs can paint such demeaning pictures of anyone that doesn’t agree with them as child killers, anti-environment, anti-women and anti-poor hate mongers which is all complete BS! What they don’t understand is natural law which largely frames the constitution and as I have said before there is a huge difference between tolerance and acceptance.

      • DaveH

        Vigilant,
        I think there are lots of people out there that think like me (about as big a percentage as Libertarians, lol).
        I don’t care what you believe though. I don’t care if you pray in school. I don’t care if you place the ten commandments in courthouses. I don’t care if you place a cross in the town square. As long as you don’t try to force me to believe.
        One thing I would caution of any Freedom lovers, though, is that we need to stick together and not alienate each other over such things as our religious beliefs. We are in a fight for our lives and we need each other to fight the real enemy here — Progressives or others that would pretend to be our masters.

      • Vigilant

        DaveH,

        Thank you for your words. Well expressed as usual.

        We are in solid agreement on the principles of our Constitutional Republic. And you are right, we need to be monlithic in our fight against the forces of statism.

        You know I intended no slight to you. Our differences in religious belief should play no part in the fray, and I have always looked forward to your wise words.

        You also understand, and I’m sure you agree, that my beef is with the rabid atheists (who probably arrived at that point of view in a different fashion than you did), who use every opportunity to denigrate and ridicule people with different belief systems. A guy like Robert Smith is the type I’m talking about.

      • DaveH

        Rest assured, Vigilant, that I know you are a good person.
        I don’t think it’s the atheists though that are causing your problems. There are just too few of us to cause that much trouble. I think the Progressives (read Socialists) are the main perpetrators whether atheist or not. Socialists throughout history have been at odds with religions because they interfere with their absolute control. Progressism in itself is basically a religious system, as its followers just have to take it on faith since the facts point in the opposite direction. And they don’t like competition.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Jovi-Anus lies again, and exposes himself with his agenda. Bush lied about WMD’S? Research the facts of history Pal. Bill Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, John Kerry, Howard Dean, Tom Daschle, and many more, all stood there on live TV, and on live radio programs, saying how Saddam Hussein had WMD’S and was dangerous and had to be stopped. All the intelligence said they had them, of course, as you know, our intelligence was extremely compromised because Bill Clinton cut it in half, dont forget that part, so according to you, then all these people lied first, and pulled the great set up. So if they all believed it, why should have Bush or anyone else for that matter, have not believed it? Can you tell me why? So stop your pathetic lying. Your left wing liberal pacifist friends might believe you, but anyone who has an ounce of truth in them, knows you are lying through your teeth once again. So just stop it.

      • S.C.Murf

        I do believe the muslim brotherhood is entrenched behind the scene and will wield considerable influence, if not outright control, over the governments that are now falling. And we all know how they dearly love America. Dark days ahead

        up the hill
        airborne

    • Robert S

      Now that Barbour wants to run for president he has done a 180. Was he against the phony wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
      The Wall Street Journal is in bed with the CIA.

    • Lewis Munn

      Yes, it is false to believe all nations want to share our cultural and political values.

      It is also false that we necessarily want to share theirs, too.

      I think our President is trying to walk the line between the US Constitutional freedoms, and the totalitarian beliefs and values of other nations, particularly the Muslim approach to government and to their own citizens. And since he is biased against our way to start with, he is waffling. Or maybe his controllers are waffling…hard to say which.

  • DaveH

    The Wall Street Journal has been hawkish ever since I can remember.
    Good article, Chip.

    • FreedomFighter

      In my opinion, Our troops need to come home.

      What if you could “remote view”, see what can’t be seen, hear what none else hears, be somewhere they can’t possible, be. Do they walk the silver plain and view the dark holes of possibilities to find what cannot be found, maybe. To me its spooky stuff, really SPooK stuff.

      What if they really can, they do have the best training, remarkable/outstanding hit record, and decades long history, so, anyone ask what these USA military trained/CIA whomever viewers have seen “commin around the bend”?

      Maybe somebody should interview a few of these retired USA military trained remote viewers and get us all a fair article on what they say?

      Again, what if you could remote view;
      sleeping difficult I bet. I wonder if they made me write this?

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • DaveH

        Fighter,
        Have you had experience with unscrupulous people in your life, people that you know intimately enough to know they’re lying? Now, think about other mutual acquaintances. Did they believe that those people were bad?
        Maybe, I’ve just been unblessed, but I had a sociopath wife for 13 years, and a sociopath brother for my entire life.
        On the surface my wife was one sweet little lady. She had everybody but me fooled. When our marriage broke up because she was sleeping with the next-door neighbor, I announced to my dad that we were getting divorced. The first thing he said was “Now what did you do wrong?”. That’s the way it was. People only began to see the truth about her after I had written proof of her dishonesty from the court proceedings.
        My brother is a story too long to tell here.
        My point? If we can’t even know the true story about the people close to us, how can we possibly hope that there are those amongst us who can sort out the good guys from the bad guys in foreign countries? And keep in mind that they have a vested interest NOT to solve problems, because then they would be out of a job. In the corporate world the employees better solve problems or lose their job. But in Government the incentives are reversed. If they do their job well, like stopping crime for instance, they will work themselves out of a job. If they don’t do their job well, no big deal because the vast majority of them have jobs for life regardless of performance.
        We have absolutely no business trying to solve other countries’ problems. Usually there is no way that we can tell the good guys from the bad guys. If they attack us, we should hammer them hard and then butt out. But almost all of the countries we have been involved with over the last 60 years have not even come close to attacking our country.

      • stone

        DaveH. I’m not as conserned about Libya as I am about Bushe’s illegal war in Iraq. What i think needs to happen, is we need to break the two party dictatorship in D.C. and vote for anyone who is not a Dem. or Repub. Our polictics make me sick. Both parties are the same out for themselves and their party. If the gov’t shuts down the people who will be hurt the most are those in most of need. Should the gov’t shut down all of congress should not get paid. They are a part tof the gov’t and the cause because of partism politics. End the two party system.

      • DaveH

        Vote Libertarian!

      • dale

        Some in Congress wanted to impeach Bush when no WMD’s were found. Bush presented the ‘facts’ handed down to him by Clinton (who said that there were WMD’s there and that Saddam was backing Al Quada) and Congress approved the war – nothing wrong yet when Congress approves and Congressional leaders had access to the same information that Bush did.
        So, if Bush lied then so did Clinton! Irrefutable fact, except to people who want to believe lies .
        The reason there were no WMD’s in Iraq found on invasion was:
        1. Before acting against Saddam, Bush went though the tedious and time consuming delays of getting approval from Congress and the United Nations. The UN is all mouth but no action. Since most of the UN are Arab nations it might as well call it the United Arab League. Muslims are not supposed to go against their ‘brothers’. Of course the Sunni and Shiite dispute is just a ‘family quarrel’. Right?
        2. The undisputed delays gave Saddam plenty of time to clean house.
        3. According to some people I knew, military spies who used satellite observation to see who the person is on the ground from outer space, said that for during the 30+ days that it took before we arrived at Saddam’s compound that there were Russian transport planes flying to and from of the compound day and night. They flew out some to Russia and mostly to Libya, and some other Arab countries. *
        *To the intellectual and reasoning mind, what was going on? Could they possibly be removing things that Saddam did not want to be seen???? Possibly WMD’s like BOTH Clinton and Bush said ‘WERE’ there???? (Both Presidents were dependent upon the CIA and Military Intelligence for accuracy.)
        No WMD’s? Just like statistics (where ‘figures lie and liars figure’)that was not true, even though the vessels where chemical weapons were made and nuclear materials were stored were found empty (why is that?) the soldiers found enough Sarin gas to kill off well over ½ million people and there were dirty Atomic bombs that would spread radioactivity over large areas causing slow and painful death. However, our bright and politically correct people in Washington (as well as the UN) said that there were no WMD’s. The paradox is that if one dirty atomic suitcase bomb is found then it is called a WMD. ‘Figures lie and liars figure.’

        If you doubt any of these statements, just check out the facts!!

        OK! NOW many in DC do not want to call Obama’s action impeachable (which truly was without Congressional approval) . What about a President that surrounds himself with people that have had no background searches (which was done up to Clinton) and gives them power to override Congress (which is totalitarian in nature and defiant of the Constitution). In both cases, our nations forefathers would have had him kicked out of the country or have him hung. In all fairness, several modern presidents would also have been called traitors by our country’s founders (both political parties).

        The issue should be what is truth rather than ‘attack the other party!!!!’ FYI – I am not a Republican or a Democrat but call myself an American!!

      • Mike in MI

        I wonder what would happen if they ever figured out that they can shut government down for a couple weeks with some ridiculous dispute, go home and take it easy and go back to Washington, DC. Then once they’re back do the same thing all over again and keep it going indefinitely. It’d be a wonderful thing. Chris Matthews, Mr. Ed and Wretchall (Bovine)Kreutzfeldt-Jacob wouldn’t have anything to lie about and would probably start having epileptic seizures or grand mal intention tremors from neglecting their shared sociopathy: cumpulsive Tourette’s in front of television cameras.
        I know the Congress will figure it out some time – the Absenteein Chief is already practicing it.

      • Lewis Munn

        I agree. The “two party system” is NOT ordained by God or a politically acceptable substitute.

        Yet people are taught this idea in public schools all over, as tacitly right and the best. While the Press cooperates with the Government in minimalizing any system other than the DemoPublican system we have entrenched.

        A two-headed monster, where the heads bicker but the rest is united in its directions, so changing the dominant head makes little difference.

        Teaching our students to think rather than parrot might help, but that would take a long time, and be opposed by the two-headed monster, which currently is working to get our kids so busy with the “gay” programs they cannot even think about what 2+2 is, let alone real politics!

        Years ago in a town near me they had a big political debate put on by the newspaper, but only DemoPublicans were allowed in; all other parties were specifically excluded. So a couple of good organized parties were prevented from presenting and debating the issues, by a DemoPublican sponsor. The debate was, as expected, a non-debate.

      • JC

        Check this out.
        What a wealth of information at “I Hate the Media”

        http://www.ihatethemedia.com/

      • Anthony

        Quote: “We have absolutely no business trying to solve other countries’ problems.”

        A Thomas Jefferson stance, if there ever was one!

      • Kate8

        DaveH, Anthony – I have become quite a fan of Jesse Ventura. I don’t necessarily always agree with him, but I admire his guts and determination to expose the global elite and our “two-party dicatorship”.

        He says that no one interfered in Rowanda because they had no resources anyone wanted. Libya has oil.

        Here are three short interviews with Jesse, talking about his new book showing actual government documents of secret agendas:

        http://dprogram.net/2011/04/07/jesse-ventura-enough-government-cover-ups-it%e2%80%99s-time-for-a-revolution/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wordpress%2FBcwy+%28Deprogram%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

        They are quite informative, in spite of the fact that the TV hosts try to question his credibility (they failed). Jesse doesn’t pull any punches.

        Jesse is also considering a possible Ron Paul/Ventura presidential ticket. He says we can fix this by voting for ANYONE but a democrat or republican. He is Independent.

        BTW, I just learned that Jesse lives next-door to my ex in Baja! He was at a party with him last month, and liked him a lot.

      • DaveH

        That would be great, Kate. Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura. I would vote for them.

      • Dan az

        Kate
        I would vote for that.Brains and attitude now there’s a combination for ya!

      • Carlucci

        Kate8 – Before I sign off for the evening, I would like to thank you for posting about the Kissinger/Saudi oil deal. I was totally clueless about that – knew nothing about it. I was a teenager when Kiss-ass-inger was secretary of state, so needless to say, I wasn’t paying any attention or had any interest in world affairs back then.
        I can’t believe I haven’t stumbled on that info until now, but I’m glad you wrote about it. Now I get it – just another bass-akward deal to screw the American people.

        I like Jesse Ventura, too. A lot. His t.v. show on TruTv rocks, his books are excellent, and he drives a totally bitchin’ car.

        So with that, I’ll say good night to all of the fine people who care enough to take the time to post their opinions on this blog.

        Hope everyone has an excellent and safe weekend. Night night.

      • CabotAR

        You are so right, Anthony. Our founding Father’s strongly advised us to stay out of foreign wars (civil wars) & yet here we are again…in another war.

        Might want to read this great book just out about Americans taking a stand against federal tyranny. They are just average Americans fed up with corrupt politicians. Great read so I recommend it for all. Maybe history has found our true destiny in life.

        booksbyoliver.com

        We are allowing our government to have our children killed for corporations to make profits. I am a VietNam Veteran & I see no use in these undeclared wars.

        What kind of govt. are we passing on to our children? It’s just wrong!!

      • Kate8

        Carlucci – I have posted about this before, but you are the first one to comment about it.

        What I forgot to mention this time is that, when Kissinger made the oil deal with the Saudis, the exchange was that the dollar would be the official oil currency. All oil was to be purchased in dollars.

      • FreedomFighter

        I understand DaveH.

        God bless America.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Myrna

        What I don’t understand is why the generals didn’t just tell Obama, “Hell, no, we won’t go”?

      • Lewis Munn

        They are trained to obey the Commander in Chief, not to have personal opinions, which might be in the way.

        A good soldier never asks the why’s, He just does and dies.

    • skip

      Chip – are you in the real world? Who started the last two worthless wars, tell me? On Libya, if Obama did not go in you were critical, if he did you were critical. You get prize along with Beck and company, Walker and group, Kasich and company as the world’s greatest hypocrites. But you are a handsome, silver haired, son of a gun!

      • JKO

        Skip, many on the right were against going into Iraq – including Beck and others. Afghanistan was a different matter because that is where OBL was at the time – at least that is what we thought.
        You seriously need to listen and read your sources before you criticise. Don’t trust what others say about them.

        A great example is what is going on with Beck and FOX right now. It’s being said that he quit or was fired. Listen to the man himself. He is leaving his TV show but will still be doing things for FOX – documentaries, etc.

        Some of the others I can’t speak to – even Chip as I have only been here 9 months. Site sources and if you are right cirticise away.

      • http://google Lubie63

        JKO,
        You are absolutely right on with your assessments.It also goes back even further with Reagan, as he went at Dictators whenever he wanted to.

      • Denniso

        The Kingston Trio done song was great and will live on because human nature doesn’t change all that much over our puny human time frame. It was written by Sheldon Harnick,who doesn’t get mentioned usually,as demonstrated by Chip.

        Chip asks why we are in Libya…the answer is so simple that he certainly knows it as well as the rest of us. He is just trying to make a political attack on Obama for the sake of damaging him. He could as well ask why we are in the middle east at all,as we have been for most of the past century. I wonder if Chip knows that we have handed most of the operation over to NATO,and if he thinks that we should have stood by and watched another blood bath?

        The rightwing wants to keep us addicted to our gluttonous use of oil,knowing that we can never be free of foreign oil w/ our consumption rate,yet Chip pretends to not know why we keep a military presence in the area and intervene in Libya?

      • JKO

        As has been stated many times in many places, we have more oil that we need right here in America.

        Let me ask this, why is it environmentally friendly to drill oil in other countries, but not here in the US????

        We in American have done and do more for the environment than almost any other nation.

        Can you say jobs boys and girls??

      • Thamera

        Thank you JKO and I would also like to know what is “gluttonous” about our use of oil and what the proposition would be for an alternative right now, especially living in the west where it can take hours to get from one place to another. Maybe I’m supposed to ride a bike or a train of bikes in my case with children in tow???

      • Kate8

        JKO – Kissinger made a deal with the Saudis – I think in the ’80s – that America would NOT produce her own oil, but would only buy foreign oil. This was part of the deal over the Saudi oil fields. We can’t drill for our own oil without breaking that deal. The environmental excuse is a cover-up.

        The oil that comes from America gets exported.

      • Denniso

        What’s glutonous about our use of oil? Don’t you rightwingers pay attention to anything but your own lives?

        America is 5% of the global population and we use 25% of the energy. How you may wonder? some of us drive the largest and most inefficient cars in the world…some of us live in homes that are the size of appartment buildings that could house 50 people… We have the largest military in the world that uses a huge percentage of our enegy…we have every kind of electric or gas guzzling machine imaginable on the earth…we think it’s entertainment to watch cars race around in circles spewing crap and getting 5 mpg…we howl in delight at monster trucks crushing smaller cars and running into ea other for our joy. America is like a fat pig sucking up oil and gas and waddling around in circles essentially doing nothing of any consequence or for any good purpose.

      • JeffH

        Denniso, all you do is bitch, moan and groan and ridicule anything you don’t like or believe and belittle everyone and anything that has a different view from you.

        If Americans aren’t good enough to suit you and Americans are just fat, stupid and environmentally abusive why don’t you consider a more eco-enviro veggie indulgent country to move to.

        You don’t like NASCAR style round-e-round racing? Only because you don’t like it do you have to ridicule it….did you know that NASCAR is using “green” technology and running on an ethanol/gas fuel mixture? Of course, why would you be expected to know that anyway.

        You’ve always been a piece of work anyway.

      • Thamera

        What is your alternative Denniso? Live in a grass hut and walk everywhere we need to go? Your blind hatred for the “wealthy” has blinded you to the average American, in my opinion, who has to drive to get where they NEED to go and that is gluttonous? Again, what do you propose Denniso? What would you like to see happen?

      • eyeswideopen

        JKO, you are aware that the oil we have, when drilled, will not benefit us right?? It will be sold in the global market and the amount of jobs created will not be that signifigant. Louisiana doesn’t even get royalties for the rigs that are presently off their shoreline. The oil companies will deplete our resources and the oil will be sold throughout the world as is the present practice. Only the subsidised oil companies will be the reaping profits…as usual. We can start drilling immediately and it WILL NOT LOWER THE PRICE OF GAS OR OIL PRODUCTS that we use. Americans are stupid about how the oil companies do business, how many billions we give them, and what happens to the oil presently pumped from our country. Drill baby, drill, will not benefit us at all. Education and information is a wonderful thing.

      • Denniso

        Hi there eyes,how are you? It’s been a while since I’ve seen you here and I hope things are going well for you. You’re right about drilling here..it’s a global market and oil producers sell where ever they choose. The only way it could directly help our situation is if we nationalized the oil industry and kept the oil for our use and at a price we chose. Of course,the rightwingers wouldn’t go for nationalizing the industry and it’s probably not a good idea anyway,unless in a time of dire emergency.

        Thamera, you ask what I would suggest to curtail our excessive oil use? Higher auto fuel mileage laws…a societal move toward smaller homes and use of solar heating,maybe tax credits for both…use of more efficient lighting and power in the huge office,gov’t and commercial buildings…immediately lower speed limits down to 60 and save 15% of all gasoline use. Consistent incentives for the use of passive and active solar energy in homes and businesses…gasoline taxes increased by a small amount to be used to research and develop alternatives to oil etc…cut the size of the military to a reasonable level and realize we aren’t the world’s policeman on our own,saving millions of gallons of gas and diesel just from training and exercises.

        If we are 5% of the world’s population and use 25% of the energy, isn’t something wrong? We use something like twice the energy per capita of western Europe…why? Are they living in caves?

      • Lewis Munn

        I can say “No jobs for Americans”!

        I can say keep your citizens barefoot and dumb and terrorized, and you can do with them what you want!

      • DaveH

        The environmental concerns of the Greens are for one reason only, Power. They want control of our lives. If that wasn’t true, why would they force those gharish wind-generators on us? Why would they be encouraging the environmentally unfriendly solar panels? Why wouldn’t they be raising bloody hell about Obama aiding Brazil in its deep water efforts? After all oil spills don’t recognize country boundaries.
        Their want control of our lives, and control of our money. That is all.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Well folks, there goes the neighborhood again!!!! We have EYES and denniso together again. The site is gonna get STUNK UP again!! Worse than having a skunk trapped in your garage!!!

      • Denniso

        Even DaveH knows that there are real environmental problems in this country and the world. DaveH has a degre in micro biology so he can’t possibly believe there is nothing to worry about regarding the environment. Even ideologues like Dave,if they have any education like he does,know that all the concerns that millions of people have for the environment is not just a power grab…Even DaveH knows better than to make gross generalizations and jump to simplistic conclusions,like he just did.

      • Kate8

        Joe H. – If we just ignored them they’d most likely go away.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Dinniso:

        “some of us drive the largest and most inefficient cars in the world”…

        You mean like Little Barry Soetoro and his massive tax payer funded limosine and the parade of gas guzzlers that traipse around with him and / or that disgusting piece of crap he is married to whenever she wants to run to the store for some special ingredient for a meal? You mean like that huge jet he fliys around it – CONSTANTLY – not to mention all the dozens of planes following him around hauling all his friends on tax payer funded trips?

        “some of us live in homes that are the size of appartment buildings that could house 50 people”…

        You mean like Albore? You know that guy who is making tens of millions of dollars screwing the public with his global warming crap while living in a house bigger than the one you are bitching about that uses more gas and electricity every month than a small town? He flys in private jets all around the glove – not in comercial jets. How about that for sucking up resources? He rides around in huge cars and limosines sucking up oil rather than ride in a Smart Car like he tells everyone else to use.

        You and your kind are so hypocritical it is incomprehesible.

        I bet you do not drive a Smart Car….

      • DaveH

        Denniso says:
        “we think it’s entertainment to watch cars race around in circles spewing crap and getting 5 mpg”.
        One would think that Denniso would be smart enough to know that the thousands of spectators, if not spending their day watching the race, would be out driving around and wasting a lot more fuel. But then, one would think wrong.

        Note, this is what’s in store for us if we let the Progressives take us further down their primrose path. They want to control our every choice, even if they have weak analytical skills. They can’t even figure out how to make their own livings without riding on the backs of others, yet they know what is best for us. What a sick joke they are.

      • DaveH

        Dumniso,
        I don’t have a microbiology degree. I have a biology degree (as well as a math degree).
        Micorbiology is the study of bacteria, fungus, and viruses. I have never been much interested in studying nasty disgusting little creatures. I would be more fascinated by Liberals if I was into that sort of thing.

      • Denniso

        DaveH, I’ll try not to assume you are as mindless as your comment sounds. You say that the race spectators would be driving around and wasting as much gas if they hadn’t driven to the race to watch cars getting 5 mpg racing around in corcles,waiting for the next crash. So is that all people can do? Is that all you can do? Either attend an utterly wasteful event in your car,or drive around in your own car wasting gas? You can’t stay home and mow the lawn,build something,repair something? Maybe go for a walk or bikeride,god forbid. How about playing tennis or softball or having a picnic? Maybe you can leave your car in the garage for one day and save a little gas and pollution.

      • bob wire

        “We in American have done and do more for the environment than almost any other nation.”

        If so, it by the nature of our disproportionate consumption. Europe is a good 15 years ahead of the US in many areas of conservation.

        I know, ~ I don’t like to hear that kind of “news” either.

        The Good News is , we are changing that at a more rapid pace today then ever before. ~

        Old men had to die along with their old ways and resistance to change for it to happen. Sadly

      • Thamera

        Bob W. You would really like us to be like Europe? Have you lived there?

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Eyes,

        You are back.Good.

      • Lewis Munn

        Unfortunately, what we are doing is NOT based on sound science, and is being pushed politically by people who know little about science, and who make big money at it and find peer status, so care not for the little people! Or the long-range effects.

        When Politics takes over Science, we are cruising for another Dark Ages!!

        Same when Pleasure pushes out Ethics!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        ‘scuse me, that would be the three stooges. denniso, Eyes, and coal miner!!! Larry, Moe, and Curly of the livingston site commentors!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Eyes is back? OMG! There goes the neighborhood! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        BW:

        As always, follow the money. How many tens of millions has Albore fleeced the public out of with his green bullsh*t. Ever look at HIS house in TN? Ever see what he rides around in? Ever notice that he flies around in PRIVATE fuel gozzeling jets?

      • Lewis Munn

        And the economical old men who saved things and made their own stuff are dying off, and we have to buy expensive “environmental” stuff so loaded with poisons if you drop one light bulb you home has to be closed for decontamination!

        This is progress?

        With the more efficient lamps, my electric bill is doubling every year from my power company being REQUIURED to burn dirty coal, and then install all the scrubbers and gizmos. And haul the filthy dirty coal in from 1000 miles away, burning fuel and spewing pollutants and raising costs all along the route!

        This is improving the Environment????

        And I presume it is Politically Incorrect to point out that there is a direct relationship between cleaning the air of dust, and global warming??

        When big volcanic eruptions put dust into the atmosphere, the global temperature drops!! We worry about a “Nuclear Winter” from big bombs putting lots of dust into the air. But it is Politically Incorrect to note that as we “clean” the air, the Global Warming gets worse!!

        I do get very tired of Environmentalists forcing things to be done that are environmentally poor in the long run.

        Oh, and San Francisco, last I was there, is no longer beautiful to come to by car. All the wind turbines turning at random on every hill is visual pollution of the first magnitude.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Come on denniso. You know its Obama/Biden/Soros war for oil. It has to be. I mean all you idiots on the left kept saying Iraq was Bush/Cheney/Halliburtons war for oil, but gee, were still there, and there aint no oil been taken yet. Imagine that. So know your demoncrats are fight two wars for oil, and you give them a free pass. Wow. You stinking hypocrite. You dirty rotten hypocrite.

      • http://naver samurai

        Right on! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Denniso

        Gee Beb…are you trying to insult me,or what? I guess that if we have any foreign interventions in the future you will continue to compare them to the iodicies of Cheny/Bush…silly.

        I never said we invaded Iraq for it’s oil,though there can be no doubt that we have been and still are interested in keeping the oil flowing from the middle east. We invaded Iraq and comitted the biggest foreign policy blunder in decades for Bush and Cheny’s egos.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Little Barry started this war unconstitutionally. He took his marching orders from the U.N. and by-passed Congress. That is a treasonous act, but only one of many in the last two and one half years.

        Bushy at least went to Congress as required by the Constitution.

      • skip

        Kadaffi started the war – are you blind,deaf, and dumb? And we are in no war there at present. Get with it.

      • DaveH
      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        I did not realize that Kadaffi had attacked us.

        When? Where?

        The U.N. told Little Barry to jump and he did, at our expense.

        I am assuming you are in total agreement with Iraq and “Stan”?

      • JC

        skip says:
        April 9, 2011 at 12:58 pm
        Kadaffi started the war – are you blind,deaf, and dumb? And we are in no war there at present. Get with it.
        ____________________________________________________________________

        So bombing and strafing a country that hasn’t done anything to us isn’t an act of war?
        Are you drunk?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Really? Khadaffi attacked us? I missed that. He trained Al Quaida and funneled them money like Saddam Hussein? I missed that also. Seems to me the guy has been pretty docile towards us since Reagan slapped his monkey arse years ago. But if you lefties are going to demonize Bush and his admin for taking the fight to Iraq, after the terrorists continually blew up our stuff, and 9-11 was the last straw before Bush was man enough to punch back, something that Clinton couldnt or wouldnt do, but yet you give Barack a free pass, when he breaks the law and attack without a congressional approval, and without them having done anything to us, or having used their ground to train the Taliban or Al Quada. Whats up with that skip? Be consistant please, or dont be at all. If your going to attack one, you better attack the other. No spin zone here pal, no free passes to suit your agenda. Its either wrong or right. You cant spin it and have it wrong for the other guy and right for your guy. No. Thats wrong.

      • http://naver samurai

        You better be able to give exact details of how he attacked the U.S. or our troops overseas. What kind of lies are these moronic libs going to place on this site next? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • mtnmedic1

        This is exactly why Congress should have to vote, up or down whether or not to become involved in ANY COUNTRY! The Constitution makes it pretty clear where the power lies to declare war. Unfortunately, since we have decided to elect lawyers time and again to office, they have found ways to do what they want and still declare that they are functioning within the rule of law.
        The President (any President not just the Jackwagon we’re stuck with for now) chooses to “go to war” and the opposing side lines up to use it to their own political advantage. Don’t forget, that “advantage” is being paid for in blood. Not by the politicians but by those brave enough and dedicated enough to go and do.
        Isn’t it about time that those in Washington felt the fear and desperation that the men and women they send off to die feel every day in the service of our Nation?
        Things have to change America. The corruption and spineless behavior displayed by our leadership (on both sides of the isle) has become tatamount to gross insubordination. We have to stand up together, put our differences aside and start cleaning up the mess we have made for ourselves. Long live the conservative revolution!

      • Myrna

        Maybe all wars should be fought the way they used to be eons ago, when the king or leader of countries involved were the ones on the front line.

      • Lewis Munn

        Good ideas; it would certainly change their viewpoint in a hurry!

        Obama does not lead us into battle, he stays home and plays politics.

        Though he does war against the average citizens of this country much of the time, in more subtle ways than bombs and bullets, so far.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        “Obama does not lead us into battle, he stays home and plays politics”.

        And golf. And Basketball. And vacations….

      • sherriww

        @Skip:That’s the thing that bothers me,that it has been shown,in this Libya deal,that Pres.O. just could. NOT have made a RIGHT decision on this.As a for instance,one Sunday Newt G.was on tv saying”if I was president,we would already BE there”.The NEXT week,after the Pres.agreed and got started,Newt was back on tv saying”I don’t think we should have gone in there!”They played the 2 tapes side by side,to show how the President could NEVER please these guys because all any of them want is to make him look wrong, no matter WHAT he does about anything!That said,much as I am always in the Presidents corner,I don’t want us in there either ,and,watching the Pres. In the days before we went in,it was VERY plain,right on his face,that HE did NOT WANT to go in either,so I cannot see WHY he agreed-something(AND NOT NECESSARILY ANYTHING SINISTER EITHER!)went on behind closed doors that got him to agree.I just hope we leave it alone soon now

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Kind of like the Communist Democrat Party and Bush….

        He had to go. His fellow communists at the U.N. told him to. I wonder if he got Soros’ permission first?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        He is clueless what to do. Every week he leans to whichever way the polls tell him to lean. He says things he doesnt mean, and does things that are the total opposite of what he said a year ago. He is just the puppets head, with his masters behind the scenes pulling the strings. He has proven a long, long time ago, that he is not a leader. It is just not in him. He is a blind follower.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      I was thinking the same thing…they have schills in the financial reportings as well…Zombies–all of them! I will NOT today EVER take one or trust one single source of information.

      If I read something my personal rule is to verify it no less then three times. If in that process I find something else, then my work doubles. Before I can safely make an intelligent decision I find I must do this. There are misinformation specialists out there trying to influence public perception with every issue.

      So for me the days of sitting down and reading a paper with morning coffee are now toast! I take notes and move on to verify the details. usually by the end of the day, I have enough facts to decide where I stand on whatever important issue there is. yes, its a PITA and sometimes it takes more then a week!

      • JeffH

        Bitter Libertarian, you are correct about “verify”.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        Wasn’t it Reagan that said “Trust, but VERIFY!”?

    • http://comcast.net Jim

      Chip would complain if Obama had ignored Lybia.

      • JC

        Chip would complain if we didn’t spend more money we don’t have?
        If we didn’t put more of our bravest in the line of fire for NATO and the UN? He would complain if we didn’t involve ourselves in more nation (dependent ghetto) building?

        I doubt that very much.

    • herman richardson

      I believe that that all ALL involved in getting this country in this war mongering should be tried for war crimes, each and every one of them

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