Eddie: You want to provide more jobs for teachers then start with eliminating tenure. There are far too many teachers that do not teach that should never have entered the profession in the first place. I have first hand knowledge of this. Spend one week in the teacher’s lounge and then lets have a conversation.

Okay, That had nothing to do with what either one of us said (tenure).

I was referring to your comment that there are several teachers looking for work because “conservatives” are firing them or cutting back…I don’t necessarily agree with that; hence my comment about tenure.

“To conquer, first divide!”

Too EASY……..it says “no religious test shall be required”.

It says this in Article VI, which says:

“This constitution…..shall be the Supreme law of the land.”

Now given that Article One of the Bill of Rights states that Congress
shall pass no law respecting the establishment of religion…..the
reasoning that follows here, is that no religion and/or meta physical
philosophy can trump the Supreme law of the land, and therefor need
not be feared because anyone attempting to act in such a manner, while
holding public office, would essentially be comminting a crime.

Culturally it is unfortunate that “our republic” has a history which
is largely composed of early varients of christian sects, at a time
when these sects, were in their formative years……and these sects,
were not only at odds with each other, they tended to persecute
others who were not like themselves. ( surely something modern civilised people like ourselves would never do today? )

On the road to the founding of the “republic”, those involved in the
writing of documents were acutely aware of a “variety” of beliefs,
including Islam, since Ferdinand and Isabella, had just managed to end
their military presence in Spain, in 1492….and the rise of science
was commencing……so that the words of Jefferson were altered in
the Declaration to read…..”endowed by their creator” and while there
was no Islamic presence in the colonies, there was extensive geographic concentrations of various “beliefs”….puritans in Mass Bay, quakers in Pennslyvannia, etc.

I know this is hard for many to accept, but you have the freedon to worship as you choose, because the Constitution IS the SUPREME LAW
of the LAND and as such, no belief, is a threat to it…..of course,
the threat to the constitution is an entirely different matter?

“Do not ask for whom the bell tolls…………”

Substitutes get paid more than full time teachers. And when I was in school, teachers did not get paid during summer or Christmas and Easter vacations. My mother worked in a cannery during the summer months until my Dad was making enough to pay all the bills. And he was an engineer and both were UC Berkeley graduates. So now teachers get paid year round even when they aren’t teaching. What other profession pays for the 3 months they aren’t working?. Also, they don’t even teach anymore. They send the students home with homework and tell them to have their parents teach them. Don’t tell me they don’t My youngest was sent home with Algebra homework with the instruction to have ME show him how to do it. Sure, I could have done so or my Mother could have since she had a Master’s in mathematics. But, I was not being paid to teach him, the teacher was.

Back when i was in high school a teacher told us that in our state the teachers had a choice on their pay. They could take a lump sum payment, pay for the 9 months of school, or pay for 12 months. Their pay was the same no matter what option they took just the size of the check changed. She said most teachers took the 9 month option with a few takiing the 12 month one and she did not know of anyone taking the lump sum option.

Carol: With all due respect because each state is different, but substitutes most definitely do not make more than full time teachers. That aside, point well taken, being a teacher myself, there are far too many teachers that went into the profession for the wrong reason, and they should be weeded out. I do not support public unions and I am a strong advocate of merit based pay for that very reason.

Thamera:– i am curious–what grade do you teach?

I have taught 9th through 11th.

Thamera: You used the wording “have taught.” Are you currently teaching?

I guess it depends on the school district. My Mother taught in Contra Costa Co, California. She made 1/3 more per hour substituting than she would have full time. Since she refused to have the chest z-rays every year that was required, she couldn’t teach full time. And she was right. My Dad had x-rays every year to keep his job even though he was never around the food product. He and 5 other of his co-workers all died of esophageal cancer. One year she spent enough time as a substitute, she made more than my high school Physics teacher who had been teaching for 40 years at the same school

Carol… Substitutes do not get paid more than teachers. At least not in Indiana!

Nor do substitute teachers get paid more in Illinois. I have a friend that subs.

What do I have to do to get through to you? At the time I was in high school and my Mother was substitute teaching, she made more per hour than the full time teachers.

Correcto mundo Joe H!

samurai,
Went to another toy er gun show today!!! I was like a kid in a candy shop!! I re-joined the NRA after a couple of years absence. The police sold 2000 tickets for a fund raiser and if you win you get your choice of one of five automatics, a glock 9, a PPK, an S&W9 and two others. Couldn’t pass up free guns!!! Well for the price of a ticket anyways!!! five instead of four would be nice!!! I,d sure like to go to the one sponsored by the NRA in Pittsburg the 29 thru the 1st!! NRA card gets you free entrance!!! I’m also a member of GOA as well!! Can’t have too much news!!

45caliber,
From my understanding the DOJ initiated the suit in her behalf! This makes it 1000 times worse!!

Thank you for those very true words, fellow patriot! I’m glad to see that someone else says that this is a Christian nation. Tracie and Jay, you all tell the truth about this nation and the subject at hand. We were founded on Judeo-Christian principles, Biblical law taken from the Old and New Testiments, our laws based on the 10 Commandments, and a deep rich belief in nature and Nature’s God. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Keith, I thought only religious people bash, are you religious?

Keith’s viscous rants aimed at religious people: religious nutjobs
superstitious delusions
It amazes me how these superstitious, delusional, self-centered people keep expecting special treatment, just because they don’t have the brains to think for themselves.

Well, well, well, seems we have a bit of hypocrisy and serious intolerance on your part, hey Keith?
How can you stand being such a hypocrite? So intolerant! Keith, you’re a walking contradiction, you have lost all credibility! Mull it over, and I hope you don’t get a serious brain cramp, you putz!

Grow up mate eveyone as a right to say what they think

For sure Bob, and I did! Got a problem with that?

Grow up mate. Our Constitution says: “An American shall have the right to speak out against their elected officials without anything happening to them. This freedom of speech shall not be taken from any American.” 1st Amendment. Other religious groups, maybe not. By your using “mate” you don’t sound like an American, ergo you wouldn’t know what you’re talking about moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Bob– I am inclined to agree–especially with the “freedom” to have, and to voice an opinion.

Samurai, If you are going to paraphrase the First Amendment, don’t use quotation marks, it confuses people.

You must have been looking in the mirror when you said this last paragraph. This nation was founded on Christian principles, so if you don’t like it, just leave and go somewhere else to live, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

And it comes as no surprise that this is happening in Illinois.

so…..you have all the answers. You haven`t a clue as to why teachers have the time off in the first place. All you can do is spit dribble that you heard before…..
Teachers my friend work more than 12 hours a day including weekends……do you?
Most teachers myself included spend almost 4,000 a year out of our own pockets on YOUR kids…..do you? All teacher must have a minimum of a bachelors degree ( 87,000)…..certification by the state….1,500 and required to get a masters degree another 25,000….just to keep our jobs..do you?…..required to keep CEu credits and continue schooling for a lifetime…do you?…….subject to kids lying about you pushing them, saying something nasty to them…….sworn at kicked at, punched…….do you?

I DIDN`T THINK SO

Actually, I think he had multiple personalities, all of which added their part to what he wrote.

Don J., I would say she got it from her parents and tradition of the nation wherein she was born. When you see thousands of people all doing the same thing, many times a day, at the same time of day, and are punished for not doing it, that’s political control – not religion.

My first question about Khan is this: Is Khan running a con? Is she trying to claim the rights of a citizen, when she prbably is not a citizen? Even if she is employed by the state of Ill, if she is not a citizen–she don’t have the same rights as a citizen!! Besides, when she took the job, it is about teaching the kids according to the schedule of the school, not according to her schedule of whatever pops up in here home country. Besides, we have no business allowing the enemy to teach our children!!!

“To conquer, first divide!”

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH but THIS is clearly STUPIDITY from all sides.
Once again we have the “media distortion” regarding “the haj”…..
it is an ANNUAL EVENT, not a requirement……which asks that followers make the “pilgrimage” to Mecca, at least once in their lifetime….and I’m really not certain that it has to be done at
any specific time. ( although sometimes may be more interesting
than others, like going to bethlehem at xmas would be for xians.)

So for the faithful here, this YEAR was not critical, and quitting
was a personal choice and NOT motivated by a religious REQUIREMENT!
( hence really stupid involvement of the DOJ for a non issue )

Besides if you really want a case to press, the best one would be the
five times daily prayer requirement……which our plaintiff here,
being a faithful follower of the prophet, peace be upon him, should
clearly be engaged in, NO? Because if not, credibility would seem to
be an issue…….and as a court case, an excellent clarification
of the seperation of church and state issue, which has yet to be
understood by anyone, the Supreme IGNORANTS included.

“Do not ask for whom the bell tolls…….”

Obama definately favors the Muslims. Does this tell you anything? Anyone who thinks this president is not a Muslim are just refusing to accept it.

amen to that!

Safoorah Khan is totally in the wrong. If she wants to practice Islam with such intensity let her go to a country where it is practiced. There are plenty of the. Leaving before students’ final exams is unprofessional and inexcusably selfish. She knew the school schedule when she took the job. If she didn’t like it she should have done something else.

Bud Tugly– I agree.

Here, here, Bud Tugly! If we can’t have the Ten Commandments… And the ACLU made sure of that!!!

ACLU:
Anti-Christian Litigation Union and Abortionite Confraternity of Litigious Ultra-Leftists. An organization devoted to destroying the moral foundations of American society by eradicating the influence of religion from public life.

Apparently they have no issues with Islam!!!

Nice use of language.

ACLU- American Crazy Lawwyers Union!

The Atheist Communist Looney Liberal Union. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I commented on the fact that one year my Mother made more as a substitue than my Physics(she taught all the high school sciences). She was also a devout Christian. She was also my Sunday School teacher. But not once in my 4 years of being in one of her classes did she ever bring religion into the classroom.