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Who's The Idiot Who Foisted Daylight Saving Time On Us?

March 11, 2011 by  

Who's The Idiot Who Foisted Daylight Saving Time On Us?

Who’s the idiot who foisted daylight saving time on us? Oh, wait, I know. It was Congress. That shouldn’t come as a surprise. Most of the really dumb things this country has done over the past 50 or 100 years began with something the politicians and their do-gooder friends dreamed up.

It all began back in the dark days of the Great Depression, I’m told. The idea was that moving clocks forward in the spring and back in the fall would give farmers one more hour of daylight each day. All of the money they’d save not having to burn kerosene or use electricity for that extra hour would save so much money the depression would soon be over.

Sure it would.

Truth is, all of the New Deal schemes Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his cronies could think of (some of which were modeled very closely on the economic practices of their buddies in Soviet Russia) didn’t do a thing to end the depression. What did bring that ghastly period of massive unemployment to an end was America’s entry into World War II. It got our factories roaring again—but at a terrible price.

With that depression long since gone and farmers having dwindled to a tiny fraction of our population, why then do we still have daylight saving time inflicted on us?

And not just inflicted, mind you, but “improved?”

The wizards of Washington decided in 2007 that if seven months of daylight saving time is good for us, eight months would be better. From 1986 until 2006, daylight saving time ran from the first Sunday in April until the last Sunday in October. Then Congress decreed that it would run from the second Sunday in March until the first Sunday in November.

I don’t know how many folks were late for church the first time the new rules took effect, but I’ll bet it was a bunch.

By the way, here’s an interesting twist in the law imposing daylight saving time on us. No state or municipality is required to follow it. But any that do (and that’s almost all of them) must follow the dates Congress imposes.

You may be aware that Arizona has never agreed to change its clocks. If you live there or do any business there, you certainly are. So for part of the year, Arizona is on the same time as California; the rest of the year, it’s on the same time as Colorado.

Confusing? Wait, it gets worse. Even within Arizona, the Navajo Nation decided it would obey the Big Chief in Washington. So it goes on daylight saving time with the rest of the nation.

Except it’s not the rest. Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands and American Samoa all decided to opt out of the time-changing deal. Hot as those places can be, I guess they didn’t need an extra hour of sunlight in the summer.

If you think all of this can be difficult to keep straight, consider what it must have been like in Indiana for most of the 20th Century. First, the Hoosier State is split into two time zones and, until recently, neither area participated in daylight saving time. Under the old system, 77 of the state’s 92 counties were in the Eastern Time Zone—but stayed on standard time all year. But two of those 77 followed the example of the larger cities nearby—even though those cities were in the States of Ohio and Kentucky—and adjusted their times each spring and fall.

The counties in the Central Time Zone—mostly ones in the Northwest, near Chicago, and the Southwest, near Evansville—alternated. Some followed daylight saving time, some did not.

More than two dozen efforts were introduced in the Indiana legislature to put the entire State on the same clock, so to speak. But until April 2005, they all went down to defeat. But that year a measure to join daylight saving time finally passed. But get this: 18 counties are in the Central time zone, while 74 others observe Eastern Daylight Saving time.

Are we having fun yet?

So this Sunday at 2 a.m. you’re supposed to turn every clock in your house forward one hour. (And don’t forget the clock on your microwave, your stove and in your car.) Says who? Says Congress, which in its infinite wisdom decided back in 2004 that an extra hour of daylight at night would save us beaucoup batches of energy.

Are they right? I have absolutely no idea. It means it stays darker longer in the morning. And it seems to me that sending our children off to school when it’s still pitch black outside is a bad idea.

Nor am I convinced that an extra hour of daylight at night is all that great. I remember when I was a youngster, back when the earth was cooling, how much I hated being sent to bed when it was still light outside. I had a very simple philosophy then: Night was for sleeping, daylight was for playing. (Okay, it was also for homework and chores. But those weren’t nearly as important to me and my friends.)

I’ve learned to my surprise that moving the start of daylight saving time is no minor matter. Microsoft has issued a warning that users of its software “should view any appointments… as suspect” until they have been reconfirmed. That sounds rather ominous, doesn’t it?

What’s the problem? Well, it turns out that any software written prior to the enactment of the new law has the time change wrong. Your computer or other digital device will tick off the hours as usual this coming weekend—but come April 4 will move all times forward an hour.

This reminds me of the time our company accountant missed a meeting with one of the most unusual excuses I’d ever heard. He claimed that the time on his computer had somehow been reset for the time zone in Tahiti, or something like that.

Anyway, all of his calendar reminders and appointments were off by several hours. Could the same thing to happen (albeit on a lesser scale) next week? We’ll soon find out.

My point is none of this was necessary. Someone needs to remind our Congress people, “It’s not nice to fool with Mother Nature.”

Here’s a suggestion for those lawmakers: Why don’t you do us all a huge favor and just leave things alone?

Come to think of it, that’s a pretty good idea to apply all of the time.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • http://personallibertydigest Dana PA

    I have one of those darn clocks that changes the time, bought before 2007 when they messed with the time again, by the way I am not one to go out and spend money I do not have. So I have to set it 4 times a year instead of doing it manually 2 times a year. I am a firm believer that we need to just forget about DST and leave nature to nature. So here in the North of USA the sky is still light at 10 at night, more time for the thugs to go about the business of doing what they should not be doing. Gov. is always into things that is none of their business, time for Gov. to just “STOP IT”
    Just saying.

    • Carlucci

      I don’t even change my car clock anymore because it is a hassle. So, for months it shows one hour ahead. Scares the heck out of people who are driving with me.

      • Michael J.

        Carlucci,
        I agree that changing clocks is a hassle. I have two wrist watches, when time changes I wear the other watch.
        In my truck I have a compass/sundial. The compass keeps the sundial oriented north and is solar powered with Ni-Cad battery back-up so I can read the digital LCD display in the dark.

    • Aix Sponsa

      WOW, right. I never thought of that. Just eliminate clocks all together. Work when it is light, sleep when it is dark. That is simple.

  • astrojohn

    Does ANYBODY think DST for 8 months makes any sense at all? Six months, debatable, 8 months is lunacy…Oh yeah, I’m an astronomer – DST=LESS DARKNESS at reasonable hours…thanks, Congress…

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Dillon

    Only Congress can cut off bottom of blanket,sew it to top of blanket and think they has a longer blanket!!

    • Andee

      Love this comment…how true…everything they do turns out to be a piece of whatever but not good.

  • Bob

    I’m from Arizona, and it is true we do not observe Daylight Time. I don’t know who started calling it ‘stupid’ but I think it is just the opposite. In fact, I support changing it to Daylight Time year round. More time in the evening when people aren’t working to enjoy daylight. Many advantages. I can’t think of a single downside.

    • DaveH

      People, who think as you do, should just lobby their bosses to change their work hours, instead of trying to force their personal preferences on the rest of us.

    • Aix Sponsa

      AMEN. Children and most adults will adjust in a couple days. Viva la continuous DST.

      • DaveH

        That would be better than changing every year, Aix, but not as good as just letting the interested people adjust their own work schedules to their own preferences and leave the rest of us alone.

  • CAllen Doudna

    In Newfoundland, Central Australia, Afghanistan, and several Pacific islands they keep their clocks a half-hour ahead year-round. That gives an extra half-hour of daylight in the evening and it’s not too dark in the morning and they don’t have to change back and forth. States like Indiana and Nebraska could turn their clocks a half hour toward each other and be in the same timezone.

  • B. Holmes

    It seems that God is still in charge of daylight/dark. The hours should remain the same whatever we do to our clocke. Saturday night when we change our clocks, be reminded of how brillian Congress is. They think they’re saving daylight.

    • momplayer1954

      It’s their God complex.

  • Deborah

    I love Daylight Savings Time and wish we had it all year long. Getting off work at 5:00 to complete darkness depresses me greatly. I don’t mind it being dark in the mornings so much.

    • DaveH

      Some people like to wake up early in the morning, others like to sleep in. Don’t impose your personal choices on other people through Big Government please.

      • http://deleted Claire

        I get up every morning between 4:30 and 5:00–doesn’t bother me. I have been on this schedule for many years. I will admit I like the daylight when I leave work at 5:00 p.m.

    • Carlucci

      A few years ago I worked in an office where two other employees hated driving home in the dark during the Fall/Winter months. It was no problem for me as I just lived five minutes away from the office. They wanted a thirty minute lunch break instead of an hour during those months, and then when the time changed back, the lunch break would go back to an hour. This was not my choice as I liked going home at lunch for fifty minutes. Of course I was outvoted. Guess what? When the spring/summer months returned, the owner decided he liked that thirty minute thing and it became a rule. He wanted everyone to stay in the office all day long, including the lunch break. I felt like I was being held hostage and finally left.

      • Scott Johnson

        Take a bag lunch like most of the rest of us. An hour for lunch. Be real.

    • Michael J.

      Deborah,
      Buy a Jet and fly westward. By making strategic stops, you can avoid darkness altogether.

      • Dan az

        MJ
        That sure would make for a long day!You may have something there eternal life!lol!

  • Steve Cervenec

    Years and years ago, I read where a reporter asked an American Indian if he understood daylight savings time. The reply was ‘Of course. It’s just like cutting one inch off a blanket and sewing it on the other end.’

  • Ryan

    This is a stupid article. I think I just got dumber for reading it. First off, Daylight savings time was instituted in most of Europe in 1917. The US followed in 1918. Maybe this “writer” should get the actual facts before he make sensationalist claims. It seems as if he just wanted to attack FDR and the New Deal. Secondly, daylight savings was considered a great idea at the time because it reduced the use of kerosene on Farms (mmore daylight = less Kerosene use). Today it is just a novelty, a relic from olden days that might need to be eliminated. I agree with the overall thesis of this article (The elimination of daylight savings time), but found a more objective way of talking about it. Maybe I should take your job since you can’t objectively analyze even the simplest story. What a Joker.

    • http://personallibertydigest Dana PA

      Hey Ryan did anyone asked the dairy farmer if he likes DST. Cows do not look at the clock and say well I can wait one more hr. before I need milked,or go ahead milk me now, not used to it but maybe I will be ready for you to milk me one hr sooner, it can take a long time for the cows to become adjusted to the new schedule, and mean while the farmer is up at 3 morning instead of 4 to milk said cow, or still milking an hr later, so the farmer thing about changing the time for them is bunk.

    • DaveH

      Ryan Liberally sprinkles his comment with personal insults to Chip, and then has the gall to talk about Chip’s lack of Objective Analysis.
      Typical Liberal.

    • momplayer1954

      More daylight hours=less kerosene. I don’t know what planet your from,but I have the same amount of daylight every day weather my clock says 9:00 or 10:00.

      • Kinetic1

        For heaven’s sake people, how hard is this to grasp? If you reset the clock so that it is still dark at 7:00, you wake as the sun in rising. Not much need for lighting. By the evening the shift has caused the sun to still be out in till 7:00 or 8:00, maybe even later depending on your location. Less need for lighting during the prime hours of homework, dining, etc. Sure, there are just as many daylight hours whether we shift the clocks or not, but we shift our work hours to take advantage of the Sun’s pattern.

        Sometimes I think this site is nothing more than a place for whiners, curmudgeons and conspiracy nuts to wallow in their collective neurosis. For anyone with the ability to change their clocks, it’s only a couple of days a year that you need to concern yourselves. Is it really that disruptive?

      • DaveH

        Thank you for illustrating, Kinetic, that the Liberal way is Your Way or the Highway.
        We don’t care what your personal preferences are. We care that you insist on imposing your personal preferences on the rest of us.

      • DaveH

        And I find it odd that you, Kinetic, would have the nerve to whine about our whining when you come from a group of the biggest whiners of all time. Feed me, Clothe me, Shelter me, give me Free Health Care, waah, waah, waah!

      • JIBBS

        lmao! yes, he wants it all given to him………hehehe

      • Kinetic1

        DaveH,
        First, who says I like or dislike Daylight savings? All I did was explain the concept for those who are too dense to get past the idea that anyone thinks it creates more or less daylight. I just don’t see where it’s that disruptive, and even if I did I don’t have any say in the matter. And since I don’t have any say in the matter, I didn’t impose my personal preference on anyone.

        Next up, quit your bitch’n and grow up! I don’t ask anyone to cloth me or feed me. My family is of the class that is paying for the care of others. The difference between us is that I’d rather pay my fair share to the Government so that they can help those less fortunate, rather than pay an insurance company so that they can pay their CEO 10 million a year for denying coverage to people. I don’t approve of people that are lazy or expect the government to do it all for them any more than you, but I do recognize that more people than not are never going to be wealthy, or even upper middle class. A large portion of our citizenry, no matter how hard they try will always need help when times are tough. That’s just how it is, even for conservatives.

    • Aix Sponsa

      That’s the point. If there is nothing worth writing about, do something to stir something up. :-) I still vote for always summer clock time.

  • leo

    Another one of those things that the Majority of the American People don’t want, but Congress shoves it down our throats anyway.
    I’ve heard that they represent “The People” I wonder when they intend to start doing that?

    • http://www.piedmontwebmasterservices.com Dan

      never, never have, never will

    • gary

      Your statement about “the majority of the American people don’t want” is simply not true. We went through this whole debate in Indiana about 5 or 6 years ago when we went from standard time to daylight savings time. The people’s opinion was split pretty much 50-50. This is not an issue like Obamacare where government forced a very unpopular thing down our throats. The “against” crowd talked about kids waiting for the school bus in the dark. The “for” crowd talked about being able to get things done after work before it got dark (yard work, gardening, ball games, take walks in the neighborhood, etc.). Both sides have good arguments and think they are right.

      • Aix Sponsa

        99 % of all the people that I ever met want to stay on summer time.

      • Randy G

        BULL. If you stay on one time all year there is no DST!!!

    • Scott Johnson

      Living on the eastern edge of CST I appreciate not having sunrise between 4 am and 4:30 near the summer solstice. No I am not a give everything away liberal nor a cement headed conservative who would if possible take away personal freedom. Both sides lack common sense.

  • Teri Gionfrido

    I love the change to DST …only wish we had it all year round!!

    • bill

      To the working man this makes all the sense in the world. By the time you get home it’s an hour you don’t have to work in the dark,it’s an hour you can spend hunting instead of getting home too late etc. The problem is that seat polishers don’t care about any of that stuff. They are 9 2 5 and look at sleeping in as something to be desired instead of getting an early start and getting home while you can still do something. I guess you can say I strongly agree with you

  • Temlakos

    Chip, I think you’ll have to explain how the rest of the world adopted their own version of DST, which they call “summer time,” at least in the Northern Hemisphere. (Most tropical countries, Brazil for example, don’t have a Summer Time convention, because they have no seasons as we know them. That’s why Hawaii stays standard year-round–because there’s no such thing as winter there, they being in the tropics.)

    Are you suggesting that the rest of the world followed an American example? And that is why international travelers have to keep up with British Summer Time, Irish Summer Time, Western/Central/Eastern European Summer Time, Israel Daylight Saving Time, Moscow Summer Time (actually I think that the Russians have decided to make “summer time” their year-round time)?

    Actually, DST doesn’t benefit farmers; they hate it. A farmer gets up and goes to bed with the local sun and the morning dew. DST is the time convention for city slickers and party animals. You might want to sound them out and ask them whether the time change makes the slightest difference to them, though–seems to me that they sleep until noon, no matter when the sun rises, and they like the dark.

    @Tazio2013: I’m sure that Chip hasn’t forgotten about the Peter King hearings. It’s just that now is the time to re-examine absolutely every single thing that Congress has done over the last century, to decide which ones to roll back. That includes DST.

  • Bill F Johnson

    Doesn’t anyone remember that it was our illustrious FF Ben Franklin that came up with this cockamamy idea? (must have been his next thought after the lightening hit his kite…)

  • Disgusted

    Chip,

    In regards to Arizona, I think the state should enact a 100% volunteer army. This would allow for approximately 20,000 individuals who were armed to do the job. Just think how much better the state could handle their problems if they would enact martial law. Obviously, the federal government is not doing their job, so it is up to the citizens of the state to protect what is theirs.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      If they cover my expence I’d go down there for a month! I’ll bet I’m a better deal (fiscally) then any federal or State Armed security person too!.

      As long as they let me take my 50BMG, 45 long Colt & AR-15 Id take a Months leave to go to Arizona.

      • Dan az

        BL
        Like they say COME ON DOWN!

    • skip

      Arizona should be a separate nation – it does not need the remaining 49 states. Let it cut itself free, please. And the other states that are unhappy as well – Texas is strongly leaning that way and has considered seceding. It could be done.

      • Buddy

        Sooner or late, many states will be independent from the gorilla in Washington. It’s only a matter of time before the whole federal thing blows up.

        I realize that many people rely on the federal government to finance them, but the fiscal situation will end simply because the cupboard is bare and pretty soon the cupboard will be repossessed by creditors.

      • independant thinker

        I have a better idea skip. Why don’t you move to the Socialist Republic of Kalifornia and yall leave the United States.

      • Aix Sponsa

        Ya. Hurry and get there before it falls into the ocean.

    • Andee

      As is all else of we want anything done at all that is good, timely and effective. Notice the House has not made a significant movement forward on the promised repeal…they can defund it and they can rescind…..what are they doing, playing mini golf in their offices?

  • Mary Ann Valentinetti

    I understand it had something to do with railroads going from east to west and vis versa…once the movement of goods had a time difference……..However, I do not think it is necessary….it upsets bedtime habits for children. Get rid of it!

    • Dingle

      A long time ago I rode a train up the middle of Illinois to Chicago. Every stop along the way switched back an forth on the Eastern/Central time zones. The conductor called out the time at each stop. Conductors were known for keeping good time and this one earned his money.

      • JIBBS

        The state of IL. is in ONE time zone !!

    • LES

      The time zones were results of railroads coinfusing timetables as each comunity had its own time. It was the idea of a Canadian Railroad man.

      Daylite savings was entirely different and not results of railroads.

    • Aix Sponsa

      Children are in training to be adults. They will learn. Ok, maybe not. 90% of adults I know are just 11 yr olds in old bodies. Look at the politicians. That’s the overall problem with the USA. Childish “adults”.

  • http://www.piedmontwebmasterservices.com Dan

    It just seems crazy to me. Daylight and the earths rotation doesn’t care what our clocks say. We have so many hours of sunlight a day and nothing we do can change that. The stupid idea that by changing the clock we affect energy usage in the winter doesn’t make any sense. My heater goes on and off based on temperature, not the clock, nor the sun has anything to do with it. When I get home there is still super to cook, TV and computers come one and that has nothing to do with whether the sun is up or not. Maybe a “few” less lights come on but forcing everyone to use those stupid new light bulbs that takes a nuclear engineer to change should counteract the light thing.

    • DaveH

      Speaking of that, Dan, I noticed that the price of CFL bulbs has plumetted. Does anybody know if they are now being subsidized at taxpayer expense?

      • DaveH
      • Rice

        DaveH, usually a blog isn’t an accepted citation. Can you find something a little more credible to back your claim please? And just out of curiosity, what is it about the CFL bulbs themselves that you hate? I’m just talking the physical bulb, not politics. I am curious as to what physical properties can unite people of a political belief to feel so strongly about a light bulb.

      • libertytrain

        I know this is not addressed at me, but I’m big on actually being to see when the light bulb is turned on, not having to wait for it to become eventually brighter. And I like not having to fear for the safety of my grandchildren when one of the “new-improved” models breaks all over the floor. And I don’t like the government telling me that I will like these “improved” bulbs therefore we must switch to them because the government says I must. I don’t, and I tried.

      • Rice

        Thank you for your reply Libertytrain. I understand your concern over mercury and your grandkids. But there isn’t as much mercury in the bulbs as the hype would have you believe. There is more mercury in most servings of tuna fish than in a CFL bulb. And the mercury put into the atmosphere from the extra electricity used by an incandescent is almost 4 times greater than what is in a CFL – http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/promotions/change_light/downloads/Fact_Sheet_Mercury.pdf

        CFL’s are transitional technology anyway and wont be around long (LED’s). It just seems to that people like DaveH would resist using any product they feel is ‘shoved down their throat’ by the government, regardless of whether it’s a better product. Seems like ‘cutting off the nose to spite the face’ to me.

      • JIBBS

        I just saved $437.00 on my insurance bill……..CFL bulb’s contain mercury, enough to pose a big problem. Thats why they tell you not to throw them in the garbage

      • DaveH

        What is it about Freedom, that you hate, Rice? If you make a determination that CFL bulbs are right for you, fine. But let me make my own determination, thank you.

      • Rice

        Whoa, DaveH you got me. I do indeed hate freedom. On that note, carry on with your Liberty Bulbs and have a great weekend.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Rice,
        Compare them side by side and see which one puts out more actual light. A 60 watt incandecent bulb or a “pig tail bulb that’s equal to a 60 watt bulb!! I am all for the congressmen that have a bill before congress right now to BAN THEM!!!

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Rice:

        “CFL’s are transitional technology anyway”

        Yep, The facsist Kenyan will have transisioned to candles in the near future.

      • Randy G

        Have you found out YET that CFLs DO NOT work with most electronic devices such as Photocells & other TRIAC control units.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, good link.
        I’ll add this one also about CFL subsidies. C.F.L.s subsidized by California ratepayers are “being resold on eBay all over the country and even in Canada,” said Mindy Spatt, spokesperson for the Utility Reform Network. “The utility companies need to do more to provide real, on the ground savings to consumers, not just dump a few thousand light bulbs imported from China at Home Depot.”

        Right now C.F.L.s must compete with standard incandescents, which can cost as little as quarter each. But due to energy legislation passed by Congress in 2007, those incandescents will be phased out nationally beginning in 2012 and consumers will have to choose between compact fluorescents, light-emitting diode bulbs (L.E.D.s) and advanced incandescents.
        http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/28/as-cfl-sales-fall-more-incentives-urged/

      • DaveH

        The thing is that Government rarely outperforms the Free Market when it comes to selecting the best products. In fact, they have a vested interest to promote the worst products. The best products speak for themselves. It’s the manufacturers of the worst products that need the power of Government to facilitate their sales.
        I personally have owned CFL bulbs and was very disappointed with both their cost and performance. They are cheaper now, sure, because the taxpayers are paying the difference.
        I don’t hate CFLs as the Liberal Rice has said (pesky Liberals always trying to put words in my mouth), but I just wouldn’t choose them for my house. And I sure don’t want a bunch of know-nothing Liberals making my decisions for me through the force of Big Government.
        I do like the LED lights a lot, and would be happy to buy them when the costs go down, but I want those costs to go down due to manufacturing efficiencies, not because unwitting taxpayers are footing the bill.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        DaveH:

        You say that government RARELY out performs the provate sector. I would venture to say government NEVER out performs the private secotor.

        I have a couple of CJLs in my house in areas that are difficult to replace the bulbs as they generally outlast standard bulbs. However, I did have one catch fire when the balast shorted out.

        That bill was put together and passed by dems, but Bush was stupid enough to sign it. Maybe he never read it….

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Old Henry,
        Maybe it was another 2000 page bill that nobody had time to read and San Fran Nan said we have to pass it to see what’s in it!!!

  • Owen King

    Save an hour? Where? The hour is still there, the same numnber of hours will be light.
    If there is a problem, schools, factories, what ever, THEY CAN CHANGE THEIR START TIMES, if needed.
    With so many companies/businesses running 24/7 DST is a horrible anachronism, wait, it NEVER was a good idea.

    Maybe it would be better if we all went on the universal time? Nah, that would generate additoinal confusion, but please dump Daylight ‘Savings’ Time as it does not affect the number of daylight hours in a day.
    Thanks
    Rant off
    Owen

    • DaveH

      I agree, Owen. DST is just another example of people who could freely, before, do what they wanted, but that wasn’t enough. To be truly happy, they had to force their choices on the rest of us.

      • Kinetic1

        DaveH,
        It’s time for all you “individualists” to move to Texas and declare your selves an independent Republic again. Of course Texas couldn’t afford their independence last time, but why not give it a go anyway?

      • DaveH

        Duh, it’s time for you Liberals (who are a minority) to leave the country. I would say move to the Eastern Coast or Western Coast, but then Time and JeffH would get mad at me.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, naw…what’s one more matter when I’m outnumbered anyway? I’ll continue to defend my turf til I’m outta here, then maybe Cali will break off into the Pacific.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        DaveH,
        don’t you dare send them to Ohio! We already got too many of them here!!!!!

      • bob wire

        Oh we were did fare enough until D1ck Perry, much like the Honorable GOP Governor Walker, decided to reward his supporters and lower their tax burden. In 2006 he shifted the tax burdens around , tweaking this and that, rewarding some and punishing others.

        After a year went by Governor Perry was alerted that his new plan had created a 5 million dollars short fall and really wasn’t working as he had hoped it might. He elected to ignore it thinking perhaps no one would notice and maybe it would go away. So since 2006 Texas has acquired a 5 million dollar a years budget short fall. That’s represents 25 million of today short fall.

        I’m beginning to believe the Republican heart is perhaps good, but they just don’t know how to count other peoples money.

        It has been said many times , over and over again that the stimulus didn’t work. There was this hope on the part of the Administration that local government might take the advantage of the time afforded them to get busy and have their “Come to Jesus ” meeting and make the truly hard decisions that lay ahead, to correct their imbalances.

        It appears that the Fed has helped all the states found in great need in such fashion while the states Governors have chosen to instead launch constant attacks on the fed and wait until the twelfth hour or the twelfth days address these serious short falls in tax revenue.

        These state governors have behaved more like a bunch of spoiled “clicky” frat rats then dedicated statesmen and Administrators.

        And for the record, I’m a Texas American, and will support Lincoln’s final say in the matter. Where you go, you go without me. I’ll abide no such foolish talk of splitting the Union. From sea to shining sea my fellow American.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Kinetic:

        I has recently been discussed in, and by, Texicans. I talked with a couple of them last summer out in CO. They said they really do not need the rest of the country as they have their own agriculture, energy and all they have to do is send the word to Texans in the military to come home and they would. They would then have their own armed forces, along with the TX Rangers.

        And they said that TX is the only state to have been a Republic before they AGREED to join the US after the govt. asked them.

      • Kinetic1

        Yep, and they AGREED because they were broke. Maybe they’ll have better luck this time.

      • Kinetic1

        JoeH,
        I’ve been to Ohio. In fact, my wife is from Coshokton. It was an OK visit, but forget how I feel, my wife would never move back.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Kietic,
        no offense to your wife, but if shes a progressive, we don’t need her!!!

      • Randy G

        Actually it was done by Franklin to get the party goers of his time to get work done.

  • BCohio

    It is for people who work in CONSTRUCTION. So we can start earlier in the day. It’s all about the heat of the Day..

    • Bitter Libertarian

      “Make hay while the sun shines” either you rotate my Clock, or I rotate my wake up time…

      I am sure that in certain places if the clock wasnt changed that Pi$$y people would complain about hearing the jackhammers & equipment rumbling an hour earlier as the construction works start earlier to use the cool mornings to get working. So to silence the whiners…the move the clock. Overall I could see how this would have a positive effect on certain industries that needs daylight & good weather to do their Jobs.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Bitter:

        It can still help the farmers with the soybean harvest as they have to be absolutely dry, no dew, before combining. They must wait till late morning, or even early afternoon, to begin and the extra daylight helps on the back end.

      • JIBBS

        Modern farm equipment come with factory installed headlamps, and have for several years.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Yes, but once the evening dew begins to settle the beans are once again damp.

    • DaveH

      Wait a minute. Are you telling me that your company couldn’t just adjust their work hours in such case?

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Some locals dont allow certain work to be done before certain hours or after certain hours.

      • DaveH

        Then that is a local problem. That’s what Freedom is all about.

      • DaveH

        You surely don’t think, Bitter, that the people, who are unhappy with the early hour or late hour activity, are going to suddenly be pacified because the clocks are changed?

      • Kinetic1

        Come on Dave, think about it. If the law says no loud work before 7:00 (just after the sun is up,) and you’re still asleep at 6:30, you’re going to complain about the construction noise if they start just as the sun begins to rise. If the time is shifted so that the work begins as the sun is rising, and your clock is now adjusted so that you are due to wake even before the noise begins, you have no reason to complain. So yes, I do think people are more willing to accept the noise, so long as they are following the time change.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        “You surely don’t think, Bitter, that the people, who are unhappy with the early hour or late hour activity, are going to suddenly be pacified because the clocks are changed?” LOL helllll no….but you know all politicians do is give 1/2 of the group a little less to gripe about, and the other half a little more to comprimise on. LOL

      • JIBBS

        Big city farmers, always waking me up with all that noise in the early wee hours of the morning………

    • Aix Sponsa

      What? The heat of the day? It gets to the same temperature whether you wear a watch or not? Just adjust your starting times. My son gets up at 4 sometimes 3 am, to get to work. Yes, they get off at the peak temperature time and then have several hours of daylight left to boogie. Going to bed at 8-9 pm is a thing to get used to…. especially if you are a television addict.

      • Andee

        Farmers/ranchers prefer to work in the cool of the day, not the evening hours when the soil is at its hottest temp.

  • terry

    I am so happy someone else sees the folly of this entire time-switch business. Doesn’t this place us ahead of the sun. Please – everyone – if you want them to split the difference 30 minutes and leave the time alone, join with us in getting this insanity stopped. Or, back or forward, I do not really care, just stop the back and forth. The sun will still shine the same amount, regardless. It is such a pain for everyone.

    • CAllen Doudna

      Terry I was in the middle of writing that very idea when I had to go help the wife get grandma’s coat on. You’ll find my post a little further down.

    • DaveH

      And it is ridiculous.
      Yet another example of Government throwing up hoops for us to jump through like a bunch of trained seals in their never ending quest to pretend to be important in our lives. Orf, Orf.

    • skip

      And by all means make the earth flat as they thought before Columbus, so the times of daylight will be identical wherever you live, as on the equator. Or have the Conservatives and Tea Partiers pass a law in Congress that gets this done ASAP. For goodness sake, it just isn’t fair that the sun stays out later in Seattle than Biloxi in the summer, and goes down earlier in the winter – this is not the way the founding fathers wanted it! Isn’t there a article on this in the Federalist Papers? Have you all left your brains in Park! Why spend time blaming the great left wing conspiracy for all of this.

      • JIBBS

        WTF, is that all you do is cry and whine…….get a life.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        I think ol’ Skip must be a farmer and he’s posting from his “whine cellar”.

      • independant thinker

        skip sounds just like ol’ flashypants (hflashman). Lots of whining and lots of attacks with no substance.

      • JeffH

        independant thinker, ditto that…same message, different name.

      • Vigilant

        Yes, what has happened to old flash-in-the-pan? And where’s Clarence Swinney these days? I note that Eric Bischoff makes a feeble attempt now and then, but since he was outed as a communist we don’t read much from him any more.

        Then again, there’s no shortage of left wing braying donkeys on this site, so maybe they just changed their screen names.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        “Eric Bischoff makes a feeble attempt now and then, but since he was outed as a communist we don’t read much from him any more.
        Maybe he got a gig as a czar working with Der Fuhrer screwing up the country.

        And we have not heard from the texter Motorhome, or was it Motorhead.

  • Susan

    I don’t much care how it came about. I love it. I can’t wait for Sunday and the time change. It makes a huge difference to me!!!

    • http://wordpress usfrog

      I love it too ! I have known Europe BEFORE time change and let me tell you that in countries where electricity is much more expensive than it is in the USA, it does make a difference on the bill. In the fall, you can stay outside longer hours before it gets dark. Going to bed when it’s still daylight is not an issue, in higher latitudes you have daylight all night, that is why people have shutters.If countries around the world have adopted it, chances are it’s not just because of Congress !

      • skip

        Come on now, we all know that DST is a
        communist/nazi/fascist/socialist/progressive/liberal/islamist/jewish/catholic/buddhist/confujcianist/scandinavian/siberian/bolshevik/albanian plot to take away our rights to self determination. Get real – the threats out there are overwhelming, and we’ll each need a small tactical nuclear weapon to defend our property and manhood.

      • Kinetic1

        skip,
        You forgot the Druid and Egyptian Sun worshipers. Given the current trouble in Egypt, there may be a connection!

      • Vigilant

        Having spent 19 years in the Netherlands and Germany, I can tell you I miss those “rouladen” here. It was great to roll them down and get a good night’s sleep regardless of the light level outside! When theywere in place, it was absolute darkness.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Susan.. We are in the minority. I like having longer evenings of daylight. It is probably all in my head, but I feel more energetic. However, if they were to go back to not having it, I wouldn’t complain.

      • Aix Sponsa

        A lot of people have winter seasonal depression, SAD: Seasonal Affect Disorder. NO WONDER. Who in their right mind can stand having only 15 minutes of daylight AFTER you get off work? It IS depressing. KEEP SUMMER TIME FOREVER.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Robin:

        When I was still working I liked the extra time in the summer as it gave me time to get the yardwork done after work. I had a lot of grass to cut and worked ALOT of hours at my job.

        Now that I am not working the extra time gives me more time to mow and drink beer! Alchola and power equipment! As Homer (Simpson, not the philosopher) would say: “To alcohal! The cause of, and solution to, all of life’s problems”.

    • DaveH

      Yep, without that reset clock telling me it’s time to go to bed, I just can’t sleep, and I have to stay up an extra hour burning those lights even though I’m very sleepy. I’m kidding, I live in Arizona.
      Thank goodness I live in Arizona where we don’t have that nonsense!

      • Carlucci

        I visited Phoenix/Scottsdale last year. Had never been there before.
        Arizona is gorgeous.

        P.S. I loved your Libertarian candidate for governor, also. Even though I don’t live there, I watched all the debates. As usual, the Libertarian mopped the floor with all the other candidates.
        He was the only one I could take seriously. One from the “green” party was a total nerd, and the other two did nothing but attack each other.

      • DaveH

        I especially like the mountainous areas.

      • Vigilant

        Don’t forget Meteor Crater! Standing on the edge of that took my breath away.

      • DaveH

        Vigilant,
        Speaking of Meteor Crater, here is a fascinating story about an old time prospector there:
        http://www.hkhinc.com/arizona/twoguns/diamonds.htm

      • Vigilant

        Hey Dave, thanks! That’s quite an interesting “Two Guns” history.

      • Andee

        You are fortunate Dave…

    • Rice

      Me too! I can’t wait to get out of work and still have plenty of daylight. I’d much prefer to be on daylight savings year-round.

    • Aix Sponsa

      AMEN After 55 years, 99% of all the people that I have ever met anywhere PREFER that the clocks ALWAYS BE ON SUMMER TIME.

      • Randy G

        Then tell them to get up & go to mwork 1 hour eariler!!

  • Tazio2013

    Yo Chipster, you old white wing wacko; don’t you have something more important to whine about than DST?

    Suggest you read today’s Daily Bell, including reader feedbacks, and offer your comments:

    http://www.thedailybell.com/1850/Peter-Kings-Terror-Hearings-Take-Over.html

    • Temlakos

      You are bringing “Nine-Eleven Truther” nonsense to a discussion about an unrelated historical event. Ordinarily, I would welcome a further discussion of the issues that seem to trouble you. But the comment space of this article isn’t the place to do it.

    • JIBBS

      TROLL !!!

  • Pete0097

    I HATE THE TIME CHANGE. It screws me up for weeks.

    • Aix Sponsa

      Gives us a break. You got to be shxxtng us.

  • spepper

    In light of current circumstances, it might be worth considering for Arizona to declare itself an independent republic– since it is being invaded by an armed aggressor to the south– with an outlaw federal goverment’s blessing that refuses to hold up its end of the “constitutional bargain”…..

    • Robert Hauser

      You’ve got that right…the people of Arizona seem to be the only ones left in the land who don’t suffer from severe and terminally advanced cavitation of the brain. Bottled water must be the law there….but then, they put the most repulsive wart hog from here to the far side of Hell in as Arizona State governess—-Janet Winer Napolitano, current Secretary of Gnomeland Security

      • Dan az

        Robert
        Can you think of a better place to send her? She wasn’t welcomed here any more! So sorry everyone but better there than here!

    • Andee

      Well, WA is threatening to secede as is TX, perhaps this could become fashonable!

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        And that Kenyan facsist was touted as being such a unifier…

  • TIME

    I sure do miss Arizona they didn’t partake in this lunacy.
    Hey Fun Blog Chip.

    I find its so strange it takes most folks weeks to get with the program after these stupid changes. So on a scale of 1 – 10 for productivity, I give this worthless program a ZERO.

    • Chris

      If I wanted more daylight at night, I would go live in Norway for the Summer.

      • skip

        Why don’t you try Antarctica then – total darkness at every level seems to be your goal!

      • Mary Kay Andrews

        My goodness Why all the acrimony? There are some people who visit this site who are, to be kind, a little bit twisted. Saying you like or dislike changing your clocks because some government agency says so is like saying you like peanut butter with jelly. Are you here just to pick a fight?
        I hate daylight saving time, but, so what? If you like it, great.

    • DaveH

      You’re being generous, TIME. I think it’s most likely that DST is costing our country Billions of dollars each year in missed work time and unnecessary scheduling changes.

      • DaveH
      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        And, DaveH, it’s causing Global Warming!

      • Vigilant

        LOL! And I always thought it was giant termite farts that were reponsible.

      • Jana

        Old Henry and DaveH,
        You two are so funny. I am still laughing. Keep it up.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Vigilant,
        Can you say COW FLATUENCE?? Or if you are into being a cad, COW FARTS!!!

      • Andee

        Yep and it is not good for our health…physicians that study this have stated so, biologists and other scientists have stated so. Our natural clocks never truly acclimate to it ….

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      Who better to discuss this issue than…. TIME himself!

      • JeffH

        Old Henry
        I do enjoy your “tongue in cheek” type of humor.

      • Vigilant

        OH is always there with….a stitch in time.

      • TIME

        Did I hear my name being called?

        Have a good weekend folks, Pray for the people of Japan.

      • libertytrain

        Have been all day.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        I listened to Little Barry’s “press conference”, or as much as I could stomach. (I have a low tolerance for lies) I kept waiting for him to blame at least the tsunami on Bush, if not the earthquake as well.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Old Henry,
        i heard Bush stayed in bed all night and day so he couldn’t!! Wait, how did he know to do that???? HMMMMMM!

      • Jana

        I woke my husband up and made him watch some of it with me last night. It was like watching a horror movie. Cars going in both directions and both directions were leading them to the rushing water. Then, to see their cars being swept off the road.
        Now their nuclear power plants are in trouble and one is leaking. Natural disasters happen, but it sure is sad to watch. We have amazing technology to watch something like that within a few hours clear across the world.
        Yes, we are praying too.

  • s c

    So DST goes back to FDR and his unique brand of social engineering quackery. If it served a purpose, that time is long gone.
    Why do our world-class leaders think we’re better off with it than without it? On the whole, DST is just another example of unnecessary Uncle Scam ideas that never die once they’re started.

    • http://aol Bill

      As usual, blockhead is wrong. It started at the onset of us going into WW1.

      • DaveH

        Was the name-calling necessary, Bill? Is it like impossible for you Liberals to just state a fact without personal attacks? Here is the history of DST according to Wikipedia:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_the_United_States

      • Eric Bischoff

        DaveH complaining of name calling. Now that’s precious!

        On the wikipedia issue, was that before the Koch Bros hired NMS to rewrite Wikipedia and whitewash their image. http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/09/koch-wikipedia-sock-puppet/

      • DaveH

        As usual, the Liberal Eric attacks the messengers instead of refuting the facts.

      • Jana

        DaveH,

        They are perfect examples of the MEAN SPIRITED (take your pick) evil, leftist, liberal, Socialist, Communist wannabe, Democrats.

        Harry Reid’s favorite quote is “the mean spirited Republicans.” We have allowed that to go unchallenged for far too long. They are the ones who stated that the Republicans needed to sit in the back of the bus. They are the ones who snuck a $105 billion dollar budget for the Health Care Bill in the bill. They are the ones who wrote the bill in back rooms and would not listen to the people. They are the ones who insisted no one should have time to read it or understand it. They are the ones who manipulate and try to intimidate anyone who doesn’t agree with them. They are the ones who think they are smarter and more intelligent than everyone else, and that they should run our country and the rest of us should just go along with it. Wrong.

        Yep, the dirty ugly old black covered with soot pot calling the kettle black needs to be called out!

      • JeffH

        Jana, I can only agree with you…well said!

      • Denniso

        Enough w/ the bickering! Why don’t we all agree that we should leave the damn clock alone and let it stick to sun time. Maybe if Dems and Repubs band together we could stop this twice yearly dance w/ the clock and restore some sanity to our day and year. It isn’t like it’s rocket science to get rid of the change,we just need some of the passion and unity that both sides have exhibited lately…unite for a good cause.

      • skip

        You wingnuts are going to blame Roosevelt for everything – I’m sure you would prefer the sun to rise in the west and set in the south. When I grew up, the whackos said we were messing with “God’s time!” As if God decreed where the Greenwich meridien would be placed! It seems that all you can do is spend your energy suspecting and hunting down some conspiracy that is taking away your ability to live life exactly as you want it, the rest of the people be damned. That mentality went out with the discovery of fire, guys – it didn’t work. What has transpired since then is civilization. The events of the past weeks, and reading these blogs, convince me that you want to back away from civilization (forget about anything resembling culture) and regress to mere settlement, as in Tombstone in the 19th century, and then back to homesteading and defending your cabin with whatever weapon you please. There is plenty of room for that mentality and approach in the Libyan desert – give it a try. But don’t convert us to a desert and dust bowl again. But what the heck, it won’t take much work to back up the 6 thousand or so years you probably think is the time this earth and the universe came into being – you’ve taken us back 50 years in about 10 seconds in Wisconsin, and at that rate, we’ll be in the Stone Age in less than 4 hours. Up and at ‘em – time is a wasting!

      • Robert

        This is great, a certified babbling nutter lecturing on sanity.

      • DaveH

        Daylight Savings has nothing to do with Civilization, and everything to do with building Government bigger. And you Liberals won’t quit building it until our country has completely collapsed. Even though history and current events have shown that as Government Grows, the Economy Slows.

      • Vigilant

        “But don’t convert us to a desert and dust bowl again.”

        What a hoot! Blaming conservatives for the Dust Bowl is a new low for the lefties.

        “But what the heck, it won’t take much work to back up the 6 thousand or so years you probably think is the time this earth and the universe came into being…”

        Even better! An article about DST ends up as a leftist springboard to persecute Christianity.

        “you’ve taken us back 50 years in about 10 seconds in Wisconsin, and at that rate, we’ll be in the Stone Age in less than 4 hours. Up and at ‘em – time is a wasting!”

        No, 50 years is just about right, I’d say, when it comes to out-of-control government.

        How do you explain your compulsion to jump on your horse and ride off in four directions at once? I guess only a like-minded Alinsky-ite would understand that.

      • Vigilant

        Come to think of it, Tombstone would have been a better environment than we are in now. At least the communists were in much fewer number and probably would have been hanged for their sentiments.

      • Michael J.

        Skip,
        What you liberals are really saying is that you’re all scared to death of losing your L.A. fashion queen lifestyles. Ya see, Liberals don’t produce anything and are nothing without being able too absorb a living from the producers, the creative conservatives that made your life possible. No civilizations were ever begun by liberals, like parasites, liberals always show up later because in order to survive they require a thriving host from which to draw the blood of life. Now day liberals owe everything to our courageous ancestors who shed their blood for the liberal’s right to be a fool. How do you think things would have turned out if the pilgrims dropped off at Plymouth Rock had been the Beekman Boys? 48 hours later there would have been nothing left of them aside from a pile of droppings, because the indigenous inhabitants would have ate them.

        You liberals are nothing but a bunch of pathetic weaklings because your professors made you that way. Lacking the ability to think for yourselves as a result of socialist indoctrination and planned dumbing down that is so engrained that victims are unaware of their own blindness in matters of common sense. With courses like abstract reality where it is taught that nothing is 100% right and nothing is 100% wrong, no black or white solutions, just infinite shades of gray leaving no direction in which to turn, which culminates in mass societal paralysis, Exactly where and how the elite communist want you. Perched shivering with fear on the edge of a precipice, peering down into the new dark ages that you have helped create

      • Jana

        skip,
        By the way, its people like you that keep bringing up that we Christians think the world is only 6,000 years old.
        Sorry to disappoint you, but anyone that actually studies the Bible and goes back to the original Manuscripts knows that this world is probably millions of years old. There is a faction that does believe the 6 thousand year theory, but most of us know the truth.
        You are a perfect example of a MEAN SPIRITED (take your pick) evil, leftist, liberal, Socialist, Communist wannabe, Democrat and in your case I will add very misguided person.

      • JIBBS

        blah,blah,blah……alot of words that say nothing, again!

      • Jana

        wow Jibbs,
        That was an intelligent group of words, NOT!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        jibbs,
        I would say that unintelligent response perfectly matched your intellect!!!

      • Rice

        DaveH and Bitter Libertarian, the third word in the title of the article is “IDIOT” and you are criticizing commenters on name-calling? You people are so incredibly hypocritical. If the author had done 3 minutes of research he wouldn’t have blamed FDR. Or maybe he would have. You guys never seem to let facts get in the way of a good story.

      • DaveH

        As usual, the Liberals mount personal attacks instead of just presenting the facts.

      • DaveH

        And, Rice, that “Idiot” was a nameless person. Not the same as you Liberals who just can’t seem to make a comment without personally attacking your target commenter.
        Yes, many of the non-Liberals on the board resort to personal attacks, but the vast majority of us only do so when a Liberal comes on and draws first-blood. Don’t expect all of us to come to your gun fights with knives. We will defend ourselves.
        Some of us are so pure as to turn the other cheek and be civil to those Liberals who launch vicious personal attacks on our comments. Kudos to them. But, I’m not one of them.

      • Kinetic1

        Dave,
        The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Rice, To be a Hypocrite, one must do the behavior that they are criticizing, please elaborate where I was name calling? If you wish to accurate describe MY behavior you could say it was favoritism, or selective criticism of a certain behavior, in doing so you would be more accurate. Now if you asked me why I didnt “pounce” on the author of the article for his name calling, you got me.

      • Vigilant

        Rice is incapable of identifying a rhetorical question. Go back and take an English course, simpleton.

      • Rice

        Yes Bitterh, “hypocrite” was referring to your complaint of name calling when the article’ title begins with “Who’s the IDIOT…”. Sorry, to confuse you. I thought that was pretty clear.

      • Vigilant

        Perhaps you’d like to enlighten us as to whom was being called an idiot in the article headline? Once again, the operative word is “rhetorical.”

      • Rice

        Oh come on Vigilant. You can’t find any humor with ‘name-calling’ complaints in comments on an article that starts out with ‘Who’s the idiot…’ and then goes on to incorrectly implicate FDR as being the idiot? Regardless Vigilant, and I know DaveH’s and Libertarian have my back here – you aren’t supposed to name-call. Simpleton? Your words are hurtful.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Bitter Libertarian says:
        March 11, 2011 at 9:52 am
        Name calling pretty much discredits your complaint.

        Hmmmmm…….dont see any confusion there…

      • Vigilant

        “…you aren’t supposed to name-call. Simpleton? Your words are hurtful.”

        As Forrest Gump’s mother always said, “stupid is as stupid does.”

        Case closed.

      • Vigilant

        Rice calls it “an article that starts out with ‘Who’s the idiot…’ and then goes on to incorrectly implicate FDR as being the idiot?”

        You obviously didn’t read the second sentence, dummy!

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        DaveH:

        I thought these liberal types were so proud of being “labeless”?

      • Eddie47d

        Dave H. is doing a little bit of grandstanding over much of nothing. Eric and I have listened to your name calling on a few occasions so take a chill.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Well Eddie, it’s the liberals who say they do not like the use of labels. Kind of like after the AZ incident they wailed about the need for civility. Think Wisconsin.

        I am not a liberal thank the good Lord.

      • DaveH

        Eddie,
        I rarely personally attack anybody without them drawing first blood.
        I would pit my percentage of personal attacks against yours or your fellow Liberals any day.

      • Eddie47d

        Touchy aren’t we? I’ll have to point you out next time on that first blood comment.

      • Bert Cundle

        Some of us Liberals Express Truths that others can’t percieve… Before there were Clocks, The Time was measured by Daylight & Darkness. Than the Clock That a measurement of Time Day/Night. The Seasons Caused Ballance Problem… Hense: DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME: Adjusting the CLOCK TO THE DAYLIGHT!

      • Michael J.

        Bert Cundle said:
        “Some of us Liberals Express Truths that others can’t percieve…”

        A-Yup, Lysergic Acid Diethylamide will do that.

      • Bert Cundle

        Michael:
        Or… Beacuse we don’t have our head up our recktal orface.

      • Jana

        Bert C.,
        No, its the fact that you are like all MEAN SPIRITED liberals, you just THINK you are smarter than everyone else.

      • Bert Cundle

        JANA:
        You think you are Smarter than Liberals? Beacuse you have direction? There are 2 sides to Direction… Right & Wrong. Or beacuse you have no Direction? Rot wateing for things to get better for you!

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Bert:

        It’s not that we think liberals are stupid. It’s just that they know so much that just simply isn’t so.

      • Bert Cundle

        The ones that Slam Liberals Dont Know what a “Real” Liberal is ~ Beacuse Many people that claim to be Liberal “ARN’T”
        The Expansions of The Basic Defineing… Reduce the Basic!

      • Jana

        Bert C,
        There you go again, trying to put words in other people mouths. No one said we thought we were smarter than you liberals/Communist wannabe’s, just smarter than you liberals/communist wannabe’s thought. You liberals are the one who thinks you are smarter than everybody else and should rule us. We are on to your tactics. You all seem to think if we want to follow the Constitution that our Government was founded on that we are mean spirited. However, we are finding that you all are the MEAN SPIRITED ones who want to control. The majority rules, but not in your playbook.

      • Bert Cundle

        “LIBERAL” IS THE -OPPOSIT- OF RULEER! You must have been tought wrong… Did you go to Government or Church Run School? ( That would explain it!) Liberal Is { FREELOVE } Free to Love… NOT Controlling in any way!!!

      • Jana

        Bert C.,
        You are right, its SUPPOSED to mean that, but just like everything that Mean Spirited people get a hold of, they pervert it, and twist it and now you have the current liberalism that means control and ruling and Mean spirited and Socialist/Communist wannabe’s.
        Your heart may be pure, but its not what is going on in actuality.

      • Bert Cundle

        JANA: PERVERTS; Government People Payed By U.S. Citizens, Speaking for AMERICAS! EVERY TIME I HEAR A POLITICAN SPEAKING TO / FOR AMERICANS, I want to stuff them in a Led Casket!

      • Bert Cundle

        Jena: The Inturnal Turmoil, in United States, is ignored by most people, beacuse they want to get in the FLOW… The internal combustion Engine, has “4″ Stroles… Intake/Compression/Power/ EXHAUST!

      • Jana

        Bert C.,
        I guess this all makes sense to you. I personally don’t speak mechanic.
        Another point is I didn’t call them a pervert I said the liberals perverted, distorted, ruined what true liberalism means.

      • Bert Cundle

        That is one of the many signs of the U.S. of A. Melt Down! Politicans appear to be to blame! But The Citizens with their heads barried in the sand, beacuse it is easer to ignore than to rebel. We are the sheep, they are the sheepards. For near 50 years I been trying to Civilize U.S. of A. & California… Trying to abolish the Criminal System; But The Government uses the Criminal System – Like the Preacher Uses The Bible! ( I Rebel against the way they do that to…)

      • Jana

        Bert,

        How have you tried to abolish the criminal system?

      • Kinetic1

        Remember the words of the un-named bush aid, who spoke of us common folk living in a “reality based community”;
        “…when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities..” You “will be left to just study what we do.”

        And you want us to trust these guys to run our Country? No wonder we’re in the mess we’re in.

      • Bert Cundle

        JANA: USEING THE COURTS… Demanding that I Be Tried in a Civil Court! Sueing the Criminal Courts & Cal. Department of Correction! I have Dedicated My Life to Destroying the Criminal System, And, Struggleing to inforce the CIVIL SYSTEM every chance I Get!

      • Jana

        Bert,
        What was going on? Were you being tried in a criminal court for a civil offense?

      • Bert Cundle

        A VICTOMLESS Insident: Refered to as a Missdemer, But Used as a Feloney, beacuse I Represented my self… NO Lawyer (Criminal Lawyer Representing me!) They wanted me to except a Criminal Lawyer as my Savior ” Real Christian of them!” I’m Doing “Life” on a MISDEMEANER!

      • Jana

        Bert,
        There is no such thing as a victimless incident especially since you have become your own victim.
        Why are you blaming or mad at Christians? Our laws are stated and are for the Christians as well as the non Christians. The law isn’t prejudiced.

      • Bert Cundle

        Jana… You Don’t see the Connection between LAWS & Religion? Codes Used as Law Is why there are so many CODES! The Civil Code s the Respect the Rights of others,as well as others must respect your (My) RIGHTS. Our Acts are based on Respect; Fear; Laws & Orders! THE TEN COMANDMENTS Have been enlarged to be the PENAL Code!

      • Jana

        Bert,
        If you represented yourself, I can see why you are in prison. You are a very mixed up person. It is sad that you do not have a personal relationship with God. Having a personal relationship with God, our Heavenly Father, has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with a relationship. It has to do with getting a Bible and studying the Word of God to find out what He wants from you. The first thing He wants is your love. The second thing is your obedience to Him. There is such joy and inner peace when you know Father, and know you are in His will. Jesus Christ died to take our sins on himself to pay for our sins that when we come before God we are spiritual virgins. We have not worshiped a false god and especially not bowed down to satan.
        I know this is not what you want to hear, but it truly is what you need more than anything else. You need this more than food or water.

      • Bert Cundle

        JANA: I see that You Have Drank The Cool-Aid! You have “NO” Perception of God! Did You Create Yourself? Appairently you have been molded to be what Preachers want you to be! God ISN’T Male or/and Female… Is Time M/F ? Is Space M/F? Is Life M/F? You like Modern Believeing Christions have been DUPPED!

      • Jana

        Bert,
        Then we have nothing else to say to one another. I will add, you are in a much bigger prison than the building you are in. You are in a prison of lies and deceit. Wow. You are the one who has been duped.
        I shall not come on this site any longer so good bye.

      • Donel

        Every one that makes a mistake, are they a block head? No.
        Bill was wrong too. It did not start in WW1, my Dad was in WW1.

        Were you there in the 40s? I was. It started during WW2, as everything was rationed. Gas, sugar, sigarettes & Lucky Strike Green went to war, it was used for camouflage.

        So too, was energy, called day Light Saving time.

        In restaurant’s sugar was taken off table’s, to keep people from taking it. Then put back on after WW2. But not the screw up time.
        One Big Head Ache.

      • Bud Offutt

        Forgive me for saying so, but you sound just like the IDOTS that are
        in Washington making these stupid laws! It seems that every crook, sharliton,or otherwise shady person is all the American people will vote into the White house! I must ask, are you a politician?

      • Robert Hauser

        The author indicated that he wasn’t certain and yes, it was during the so called Great War to end all wars and ram mobocracy down everybody at the point of a bayonet. And I have a rather authoritative small treatise here on global timekeeping that maintains that daylight SLAVING time was actually dreamed up by a brit about that time. Quite unfortunately it caught on in the U.S.

        Back in the early 1930s a humorous dance band number with vocal was composed ridiculing the idea…I think it was Ted Weems orchestra as I recall….somewhat of the genre of “Fifty Years from Now” that a couple of Depression era Homer & Jethroe novelty singers got going back then.

        The whole idea of daylight slaving time is, like most of flatulates out of the kind of social misengineers that this country is cursed with, covered with flies—-if you wish to get up an hour earlier in the summer months…then GET your ass up an hour earlier, don’t force everybody else to set their clocks ahead just because of YOU…iti is about like these Moronic Motherly types who got themselves conned into believing that fluoridated drinking water was “good for their kids teeth (NOT!!!!!)” and who, so typical of braindead soccer moms throughout the land, made the leap: I think EVERYBODY should be made to do it.

        STUPID
        STUPID
        STUPID

        And so consistent with latter day America.

      • Carol

        So, both are right. It started in 1918 and then was abandoned until FDR brought it back.

      • JIBBS

        Hey you! Bilieboy, you are the block head. DST start in Germany in fro 7 months between 1918 -1919. The German people rebelled at the idea, and it was repealed. DST in the U.S. started in Feb. 1942. So there you have it. Next time, if you don’t know, ask. It pay to do your homework.

      • Donel

        Thank you Jibbs, you know your history. 1918-1919 is before my time. But I do remember when change the time came in 1942. then it was all about save energy, light bill.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Bill,

        The first national observance of Daylight Saving Time in the United States was in 1918, to save energy during World War I. This lasted seven months before being repealed. A similar, year-round, national observance went into effect in World War II, starting February 9, 1942, and ending September 30, 1945.

        For the next two decades, there was no national rule regarding DST. Individual states, cities, and towns could start or end it at any point. This led to nationwide confusion, as the country became a patchwork of different observances. Finally, in 1966, Congress passed the Uniform Time Act, establishing DST as beginning on the last Sunday in April and ending on the last Sunday of October. No area was required to observe daylight saving time in the first place, but those that chose to do so were required to use the nationwide starting and ending dates.

        Those starting and ending dates have changed over the years. From 1986 through 2006, DST ran from the first Sunday in April to the last Sunday in October. Beginning in 2007, the observance starts on the second Sunday in March and ends in the first Sunday in November, adding an additional month.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Daylight Saving Time;who needs it.

    • Harold Olsen

      I read somewhere that it was Benjamin Franklin who first came up with the idea of daylight saving time. He is apparently credited (blamed?) for it officially. At one time, I also read that it was Julius Caesar who first came up with it. When I read that my reaction was that he got what he deserved from the Roman Senate. Et tu Brute?

      Whomever it was, I hate it. I wish they’d do away with it. We spend about 8 month a year on DST and only about 4 months on standard time. I think it’s ridicules.

      • Cathy

        It WAS Benjamin Franklin who first came up with the idea of daylight savings time when he was in Paris in 1784. I’ve always thought it was a stupid idea. (Sorry Ben…)

        “Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody care?” –Chicago

      • CJ

        Cathy, by the way… it’s Daylight SAVING Time, Not SAVINGS. But anyway, does anybody even remember when we didn’t change our clocks one year. Nixon’s administration decided not to. Don’t think anybody got hurt from that.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        CJ:

        Are you filling in for Tom Anderson today?

      • skip

        All of you who are frightened of a one hour time change should definitely stay home – you certainly can’t go north or south because the sun sets later in the north in the summer, later in the winter; and totally forget about travelling east to west – look how many time zones you would cross and run the risk of complete collapse and disorientation. And I would be sure that you would never travel abroad – not only is the rest of the world involved in plots to destroy America, but the time change would do you in; but all the other countries of the world are a bunch of Nazi/Fascist/Communist/socialist/buddhist American hating who- knows- whats and you wouldn’t want to interact with them, I’m sure.

      • libertytrain

        skipper – I’ve read a lot of comments but sure didn’t see any mentioning being frightened of the time change. Are you perhaps on the wrong site? :)

      • karolyn

        As long as I don’t have somewhere I need to be, I don’t care. Time is a human invention anyway.

      • Vigilant

        True, true, and as a retired old fogie I have a great deal of leeway in putting things on MY schedule. However, the PTB don’t change their opening and closing times so we have to make adjustments to accommodate them.

        It gives those folks who work regular schedules more daylight for their after-dinner recreation, not a bad thing.

        Personally, I think DST should be made permanent time. Light is life and darkness is depression.

      • Aix Sponsa

        Franklin got the idea when he visited France. Check it out.

      • Vigilant

        It makes sense. Paris is 48.5 degrees north latitude, roughly equivalent to Havre, Montana. Summer nights you can still read a book at 10 P.M., but in the winter it gets darker and lasts longer than in most US locations.

      • Aix Sponsa

        After 55 years, 99% of all the people that I have ever met anywhere PREFER that the clocks ALWAYS BE ON SUMMER TIME.

        Even when we were kids we hated it getting dark at 445 pm. Granted there is a big difference between actual clock/daylight if you are on the eastern or western edge of the zones.

        I think that DST conditions the children of the working masses to go to sleep in the light because lots of them will be working midnights in some 7/11 anyway.

      • David

        Fully agree, both on the idea originator and the desire to eliminate DST. I hate it! The Wikipedia article is good but fails to mention that the whole state of Michigan is really in the wrong Time Zone in the first place–Michigan is in the Eastern Standard zone but the Sun rises in Detroit (eastern edge of the state) 48 minutes later than it does in Boston, MA–Michigan should be in the Central Standard Time Zone. When the zones were established, the financiers in Detroit (only big city at the time) wanted to be on the same time with those in NYC so the state went on EST. Michigan is also fairly high in Latitude, so the daylight hours vary quite a lot between winter and summer. With the hour shift from DST and the fact that the state is in the wrong zone, school kids definitely do go to school in the dark for a significant part of the DST period.

        When I was growing up in Detroit, the farmers (they had some influence back then) all objected to DST–the only people who wanted it were those who wanted more daylight after work to play golf or tend their gardens. I’m not a “morning person” so anything that makes me get up earlier is anathema to me. (Did I say I hate DST?)

    • CJ

      Great, the liberal ad-hominems kick off, right off the bat. They are relentless to prove they can’t debate the issue.

    • Meredith

      I love DST and wish we had it all 12 months. I hate that it is dark at 5:00 PM during the Winter months – so depressing.

      • David

        Instead of having the government force everyone to change their clocks, or (if DST were made permanent) effectively putting everyone in a different Time Zone, why not just have businesses and laborers set up their opening/closing hours to be an hour earlier? If a shop now opens at 0800 in Standard Time, instead of establishing DST all year long, just open the shop at 0700. Problem solved, and the Sun is still more or less overhead at noon (the original idea of Time Zones in the first place). Admittedly, there might be some local non-uniformity but I don’t see that as a real problem–each person would know when the businesses they frequented were open, just as is the case now (not all businesses open at 0800). Banks might not like it, but who cares about what banks like?

    • Dell

      Come on tell the truth! It was businesses that felt they would earn more if there was one more hour of “play” and shopping time for adults. Congress didn’t dream it up on their own. These special interests pressured their congress reps through their campaign donations and lobbyists to convince their representatives it was a necessasrt thing. I abhor the daylight savings time but my neighbors love it so I’m in the minority on this one.

    • Andee

      Yep and biologist say our bodies never conform to it and indeed is bad for them – particularly those that are depressed. Do we not use more electricity during these months as it is dark in the morning and we do not sleep as we need to because it is too light to do so?

      It is particuarly hard on the creatures too….their clocks do not change and you see more slaughter on the highways, animals breeding when they should not be, etc.

      • CurtisL

        Andee… Daylight Savings Time has no effect on “the creatures”. Animals have evolved (or were created) to function normally in the daylight allotted to them throughout the seasons.

      • libertytrain

        I think you misread what he was saying. The animals are still out doing their thing in the early morning dark hours that suddenly have more traffic on them because the animals don’t adjust their internal clocks. No one told them to look both ways before crossing in Daylight Saving Time.

      • CurtisL

        Thank you LibertyTrain, I see your point. I guess it was the line “…animals breeding when they should not be” that confused me. It’s not the animals, it’s the people. But, now I’m wondering how many people regularly commute to work through ‘wild animal” territory? Whatever the cause, animal – vehicle collisions are awful for any reason.

      • libertytrain

        Curtis, far more people than one would imagine travel when the roads are dark. We’ve had 3 deer commit suicide with our car on three separate occasions over the last 10 years, not to mention the endless critters I have swerved to miss. City people can and do have this problem as well. Big problem with deer in the City of Asheville, Milwaukee and many others.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        libertytrain,
        I live in a small town and right at the end of our street, we have a herd of about 12 to 20 deer and about 6 or 8 coyotes!! The DNR knows they are there and the only thing they will do is tell you that with the coyotes, don’t leave your small dog out alone at night!!

      • libertytrain

        Joe – don’t forget to let them know it’s Daylight Saving Time – :)
        It’s amazing how much wildlife there really is – they have got to live somewhere!

      • Randy G

        Aint that the truth.. Back in the 1970′s during the wnter N.H. had a problem. It was getting dark before 5 P.M., Kids were playing in the street & getting hit by cars because of the dark. So, the NH legal people got the idea to go on daylight time & move the clock forward 1 hour , so 5 pm was still daylight, problem solved!!???? NO! The kids got hit in the dark mornings on their way to school.

    • RW

      After reading these posts for about 10 minutes, I feel like I wasted a lifetime:(

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