I seriously have my doubts about that one.

But if they do have them, maybe the POTUS will lead by example
and hug a platoon of Marines or something. He likes to be on TV!

Isn’t there a name for someone who lives in a fantasy world all the time? I believe there is but I don’t remember it…

I think it’s “Liberal”.

Don’t see too many liberals making up things about the Affordable Health Care law – that garbage just seems to happen here.

FACTS anyone??????

Here’s a fact. It is not one of the Federal Government’s Constitutional powers to force the citizens to buy Health Care Insurance or any other product.
Here’s another fact. Liberals regularly whine about Health Care Insurance companies. Then they turn around and advocate forcing us to buy it. Unbelievable.
Here’s yet another fact. The majority of people in this country want the Health Care Law to be repealed.

No one needs to make it up. It is already there.

Gee Angel, I guess it will have to be passed..to see what’s in it right? Oh wait it’s been passed and we know what’s in it.
Government control of everyone’s healthcare and finances.
Nothing Communist about that now is there?

Angel, I’ll give a instance where the Libs lied when they we’re pushing they’re case for Obamacare-They said “People were dying in the streets with out it__fact is, MEDICAID was/is STILL in Place. If people were dying in the streets with out health care coverage, then they didn’t go and get help that was needed, no one is going to do it for you!._-With that said, Obama care has passed “FOR NOW”__if so MANY people are STILL dying in the streets without healthcare coverage, what are these people going to do UNTIL the FULL coverage kicks in in 2014, wait to die after they’re covered???__They lied to pass the bill, bottom line.

This argument is certain to be decided in the Supreme Court:
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=12526

Or the English system which Canada’s system and the Oblamacare system are designed after. I read a London daily paper – and every day there are articles about poor care and rationed care.

In fact, a Canadian doctor had an article printed in Readers Digest shortly after Clinton took office. In the US even a small hospital has EKG’s installed. In Canada they have one EKG per PROVINCE (state). It must be shared between all the hospitals. Each hospital got it for a week every six months. That sounds like rationing to me.

I looked at the law – I don’t make things up.

Show me the rationing provisions in the law. I dare ya!

How do you suppose that Health Care shortages (and there will be shortages) will be addressed?

Read this:
http://mises.org/daily/4224

Here’s another:
http://mises.org/daily/3586

Angel – You “looked” at the law?

Did you peruse all how-many-thousand pages of it? Is it possible that you could have missed something?

No-o-o, now, K88 – She’s a LAWYER, Doncha’ know?
She studied every page and with her perfect comprehension of legaleze she now knows how all of those 100 or so new beauracracies are going to fit together without any turf battles, ego spasms or jurisdictional conflicts. Of course, the rules on how they will conduct business are still being written (up thru 2014) but she has precognition that it will all work perfectly, (After all, The Obama is in charge and He said,”Yes, we can.”) eventually. Obama sees how they failed in England, how they failed in Canada, how they failed everywhere it’s been tried and with all those failures to learn from He’s sure He can do better.
Furthermore, she understands economics so well she knows exactly how they can supply every Dr.’s office, every clinic, every hospital, every testing facilty, medical lab, pediatric, child, adult, geriatric and coroner’s facility from Point Barrow,AK to Naples,FL from the top of Mount Denali to the floor of Death Valley and everything in between out of ONE warehouse on the same grounds with the medical supply manufacturing plants that can produce everything they can ever need, anywhere. (Obama decides what they can ever need.)
The only problem is going to be delivery because they haven’t got it figured out about the fuel for the cars, vans, buses, trucks, planes and helicopters they’ll need. Maybe they’ll use bikes and roller blades til Obama gets some affordable oil or wind-assisted Segues.
They’ve already got it planned out how many accidents there will be how many medical emergencies, epidemics, surgeries, storm injuries, terrorist explosions, multiple drug resistant infections and all that sort of stuff each state can have for a population of 328,248,993 (including recently arrived illegal aliens) and bed-bug infestations with hepatitis C.
They can do that because Bernanke knows just how fast inflation will expand and how many $1,000 bills he has to print to cover it.
She figured all that out in one perusal of the bill and, so, can say with assurance there can not be any rationing…ever.
BARF!!! Ag-k-k gag

Mike in MI – Thanks! I needed that. And a great piece of writing, to boot.

I’m still laughing.

Angel:

You are going to have to get passed believing everything you hear or read. It is actions that make the difference, not what someone promises.

In both England and Canada there were promises similar to what is being made now. And in both places those promises are meaningless. (Can you say, “Lies”?) There are several London papers on internet. Read one for a few days. You will see several articles a day about medical problems and rationing there. Just in the last couple of weeks I’ve seen several comments about swine flu deaths of adults, elderly, teens, and now a baby due to rationing of flu shots. One mother even tried to buy a shot for her daughter herself and was refused – her daughter died from it.

How anybody can believe that adding high-paid meddlesome middlemen, who have almost guaranteed jobs and no accountability to the healthcare recipient, will be cheaper is way beyond my level of comprehension.

Yes, it does accept non jewish immigrants.

yep, but that is going to be ground zero.

Aix sponsa… I don’t think so. Israel is protected by God.

Robin -
Exactly right. God didn’t tell His kid that if he would take all that torture, humiliation, abuse and horror he’d be given a bunch of charred rocks to lead for 1,000 years as their Chief Shepherd, Chief Priest and King.

Maybe so, but you are surrounded by people who are willing to fight. Here? Not so much. Too many are buying into the government falicy that they will solve all our problems – when they ARE the problem.

Richard and 45 – And you will notice how we all have that vision of 1984 burned into our minds.

Wasn’t Orwell part of the Illuminati? I believe that books like 1984, and movies, were intended to put these visions into our collective minds in order to facilitate their coming into being.

This, I believe, is why they always tell us of their plans well in advance.

Me too.

DaveH – Unfortunately for us, the bankers are running the government.

Bankers are the New World Order and have far more control over us than even the government. They can make or break a nation faster than government.

Bravo eddie. You should make sane, articulate statements like that more often.

JC – I was thinking the same thing, but I was afraid I may have read it wrong.

Kate
LOL! Just wait it’ll change.

eddie47d says:
March 2, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Bankers are the New World Order and have far more control over us than even the government. They can make or break a nation faster than government.

_____________________________________________________________

Now that you’ve demonstrated a knowledge of the most immediate and basic threat to America and all it stands for…
Why aren’t you on board to restore the Republic?
Wht are you espousing leftist views that play right into the NWO Banksters?

How come?

That may be true, Kate, but we could defang them by putting the Government back in its Constitutional role.

JC – I pray that, should it come to this, I will have the courage to choose death over compliance.

K88 -
Just remember, girl, if that day comes and IF they do or if they don’t give you a choice about dieing there’ll be a time when YOU will hear somebody tell you,”Wake up, Katie.” The guy’s face YOU will see is somebody you never met, never saw before, never embraced…but you’ll recognize immediately because you heard about what he did for you and loved him for that. Gonna’ be a grreat party then.

Kate, nobody chooses death. We choose to fight for the things and people we love and protect them at the risk of our own lives…but we don’t choose death.

JC – You’re right – death is not my choice. But if I’m bound and forced to choose whether to take the MOTB or lose my Earthly vessel, I’ll choose the latter.

Until that time I will continue to stand firm and do what I must.

“For whosoever seeks to save his life shall lose it, and whosoever loses his life for My sake shall find it.”

JC; Union workers are hard working Americans yet you are always on their backs too. Try being less confused.

I’m trying to untwist your comment but I just can’t.
It makes no sense.

When Unions “organize” to preserve American Constitutional values, I will support them. As long as they are behind Teachers who’s curriculum is socialism and falsehoods….no way.

What socialism and/ or falsehoods are they teaching?

It’s a subject volumes could be written about.
the best and probably only example I could give you off the top of my head would be this.
A Jr. High School in Oregon was engaged in a project wherein they would build a scale model of a community that the students themselves would design. (Quite an undertaking really) However when considering the design they were to take into account that no one would own any of it outright. All busineses and homes were to be considered community property. And their design would probably be effected by this criteria.

I don’t know how successfully the project turned out, but it sure made me wonder why would “American” kids be doing a project like this anyway. We have capitalist system and a Constitutional Republic here in the US. So what the hell are these kids being “trained” to do?
I wrote a letter to the school expressing my concerns about the teaching of communism, as most assuredly they were doing, and asking a few questions about their curriculum as it concerns teaching collectivism to kids.

They didn’t answer.

I have another real life example that just hit me, but I hate typing.

Maybe that is the real life world to them.It could be that these kids realize that they will never have what their parents had.They have to analyze things differently knowing that they may not own their own home.Our capitalist system favors the wealthy and has weakened the Middle Class so they have to think outside the box.

There you go again eddie, with ridiculous references to a system of capitalism that simply doesn’t exist. And you even go further and allow that “communism” is our future and it’s OK to teach it to the kids…we’re done here.
It’s this sort of thing that always brings me back to the same stance…lock n load, the enemy is among us.

“… and its about as cheap as you can get on this board.”

I heard about that one. What is sad is that the kids, who had no choice in the matter, get caught in the middle.
Personally, I think no person should be forced to carry another person unwillingly. Ever.

You are right. What is really sad is that the DNA place in Houston said that about 50% of the time the child is not the husband’s. Of course, there are many cases that never go to DNA testing since the father knows the child is his. I can’t imagine being a child, growing up thinking Dad is my father and then learning that Mom lied to both of us. My brother was that way. He didn’t learn until he was in his forties that my father and his weren’t the same person.

Yep – Wynonna Judd went through the same thing. She was led to believe that she and sis Ashley had the same dad. She only found out the truth a few years ago, and that caused all kinds of trauma and bad blood between her and her mom.

I would love my kids and treat them respectfully even if I found that they weren’t my offspring.

Dave your to easy I on the other hand have a liberal son and a conservative son and I think one of them came from the milk man!

Hey 45!

Been there, done that! I was forced to pay 144,000 for college for a child that was not mine due to a femi-nazi judge. I simply left the country and never looked back. Actually, Bill Klinton was the true reason I left, but now O’bumbler is the reason I will not return. The statute has run on the child support issue. I didn’t need a DNA, as I was type “O” and the B!TCH was type “A.” The kid was type “AB” – so where’d the “B” come from. Mattered not to the “judge!”

They’ll take my DNA over my dead body as well.

Perception, & Conception… Few can be SURE!!!

Oh bob, just when I was starting to like you, you go and say something like that.

Because SC is always inflamed with extremists garbage and packaged hatred. She is a daily philosopher without any substance or soul.

eddie – Only you lefties see SC that way.

As SC has said” you have shown your true colors”. We union members are Nazi scumbags. Back at her and all the rest of you with destructive minds.

eddie – what you would call extremist, many of us would call common sense. What one sees as extremist depends on which mindset one is coming from.

You and your Marxist friends blaze your true colors everytime you post. Although, I have to admit, you are not as extreme as some.

Kate8, I always enjoy SC’s well thought contributions to this website and find myself not only agreeing with most of them but actually enjoying his accuracey. Seem’s the only ones inflamed from his remarks are the very ones he speaks of. Deep underlying guilt? I sure hope so!

Ditto, JeffH.

No guilt over her rants; but you should feel it.

What part of “public sector” don’t you get? Teachers are paid by the state from taxes taken from private sector employees. Teachers, as an example, are then forced to pay union dues, which are in part “donated” to democratic candidates. Then, in return for donations these “lawmakers” give sweetheart contracts for more govt workers, who then pay union dues that are donated to dems…and on, and on…What part of that confuses you? Or, are you okay with that?

skip:

Just a comment. Bill Clinton once stated that Hitler was the most intelligent man born in the 20th century and that he admired him. Further, Clinton’s Goals 2000 education system was a dual author thing – one part Clinton and one part Hitler. Just thought you might like to know.

45; Clinton did not admire Hitler. That is only on right wing threads who bring up comparisons and try and say he said that. You all do the same with Obama.

Odd that you would say that – considering that Clinton did say it. However he also said he never had relationships with Jennifer Flowers and a number of other women too. I have an aunt that still believes that he was faithful to Hillary and that all those stories were false. You and she would get along great.

Then I guess you’ll have to find his exact quote. Clintons affairs has nothing to do with the other “fact” if there is indeed one.

I don’t know if this will help solve the arguement or not but… Arkansas state trooper Larry Patterson who told NewsMax the inside details of the Clintons’ dislike of various groups.

During the six years Patterson guarded the Clintons, he said their deep-seated anti-Semitism became apparent in slurs they hurled at each other. Bill Clinton also frequently told Jewish jokes.

Patterson said that during the Clintons’ many verbal brawls “it was quite common” for both Bill and Hillary to refer to each other as “a Jew motherf—-r” or a “Jew Bastard.”

Patterson does reveal that Bill Clinton had a deep fascination for Adolf Hitler and his book “Mein Kampf” though.

Clinton’s interest in Hitler was not based on the fascist leader’s anti-Semitism, but the great leadership skills of Hitler, according to Patterson.

Clinton, Patterson remembered, was intrigued that Hitler “had so much power over these people and that it had just been a short period of time since World War I where they’d been defeated, and this man had come forward and had rallied the German people.”

JeffH:

You are right. Actually I don’t think Clinton liked Hitler for his anti-jew ideas. He liked Hitler because he took control of all power in Germany in about ten years. I think he would like to have done the same thing in the US. When Clinton was governor of AR he instituted a short summer school for “Exceptional” children. A friend there was telling me about it. The first year everyone wanted their kid to go – until they found out the curicullum. It consisted of things such as: “all religions are a myth”, “the government is always right”, etc.

His Goals 2000 educational system was similar. It basically was a government indoctrination program somewhat similar to Hitler’s Youth Corps.

Actually, Skip, both Nazis and Unions share a similar methodology — force and intimidation.
Once upon a time, the philosophy of our country was voluntary contracts and freedom from force. We need to get that Freedom back.
Vote Libertarian! We are the only political party that really understands voluntary choice and Freedom.
http://libertarianparty.org/platform

skippy, The Nazi’s…”They were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist, and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists — particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their program called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape, and the time has come to expose it.

Why Are We Socialists?
by Joseph Goebbels

“We are socialists because we see in socialism, [that] is the union of all citizens…”

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our [Fatherland], and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and the regaining of [German] freedom. Socialism therefore is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the [German] people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total combat brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the [Fatherland]!
http://russp.org/nazis.html

If the govt had done its job on immigration, we would have a completely different PRESIDENT! We would have a REAL one, one who is AMERICAN and cares about the AMERICAN PEOPLE!

DaveH – You are right. In fact, all of these issues are a distraction, meant to keep us busy chasing windmills while the elites continue to build their system structure.

It’s like having a major disease, and throwing one medication after another at symptoms, never addressing the real problem, and all the while creating new problems from the medications.

Eventually, the whole system fails.

Exactly. Fedzilla is using them (illegals) just like they use the gays, blacks, women’s lib, etc., to keep everyone distracted while they continue doing the real dirty work behind the scenes.

Sorry, most definitely according to their track record.

Hey Al
I’m with you they already killed again, when they got released and the troops just cant figure out why the catch an release is going on when so many of our own are dying trying to bring them back alive.Looks like the policies in the field needs adjusting one in the head two in the chest.

So where does the money come from to keep Democrats elected? From unions and from their own special interests groups. There are a lot of big businesses that support democratic causes and elections.

Wall Street donated more than two-to-one, in terms of dollars, to Oman during the last presidential election. Imagine that…hmmm.

Actually most:
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

DaveH, you’re the third person this past week to post that link, and not once has a liberal made any comment or acknowledged the donor figures presented…I’m not surprised, are you?

It makes one wonder, doesn’t it Jeff? They are supposedly so down on the Rich people, yet they look away when the evidence is that the Dems support the Rich.

As Hitler said:
“How fortunate for leaders that men do not think”

DaveH, your last comment pretty well covers it.

You’re right skip, there are 99.9% of us and only 0.1% of them “The Global Elite” and the Money Changers, and we are the Govt.. we out number them 99.9- 0.1, so why can’t we win?

We will win.

I know, JC.

Because there are too many people feeding at the trough, and too many public school propaganda victims.

Al – The more we the people are waking up, in every way, the more desperate the elites are to control us. They know that once we realize the power we actually have, they will no longer be able to conrol our minds, so they are coming at us from every angle to insure that we don’t get that capability.

God has already everything we need to be empowered. It’s just that, this information has intentionally been kept from us. “Satan” always tries to conterfeit the workings of God by using technology, but it is never as powerful as the real thing. Once we realize how powerful we actually are, (by activating our “junk” DNA strands), the game is over.

I wonder if they can read the DNA to see who is operating from the “dumbed down” double helix, and who has fired up the remaining strands?

Skip if you were suffering from a Heart problem would you go to a Nuclear Physicist or a Cardiologist? AIG or any other Corporation has their area of concern, which only includes limited involvement in infastructure. The Government has its area of responsibility, which should include limited involvement in business.
Our current problem is that this administration believes itself to be wisest in both areas, and is therefore doing poorly in both!

And why is that, Skip? Can a corporation force you to buy their products or services? Can a corporation forcefully stop people from competing against them? Only Government can do those things. And yet you Liberals keep growing them bigger.
As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.

They are all in bed with each other, dummy. Everybody with a brain knows that. Pull your head out.

P.S. I was talking to Skip.

bob wire – You never cease to amaze me! Well said!

Bob,

In some ways you are correct but only to those that think in a box.
Some day You will find that what true wealth is a simple thing called Freedom.
Freedom from intervention, freedom from being told what to do and when to do it, and to whom you do it for.

But that takes something thats not often found anylonger, it takes a person who is not afraid to fail, a person who see’s a goal and chips away until the goal is in their grasp. A person with CONVICTION.
A person who stands alone when no one can see what they see.

A person with Strenght to stand when the odds are stacked against them.

Thats what TRUE WEALTH is, no person is a slave to that, they are only FREE with no ties to a common bond nor following the pack like a sheep.

Thus a Poor man who has these traits has wealth beyond money.

Thus Death has no hold on them either.

Thus Money is not wealth to a rich man who has the strenght to be Free.

So as you see your format has its flaws as its not only bound in failure, it also the mind set of a slave rather than an independat thinking person.

Open the BOX GOD gave you and see beyond the moment.

TIME, That’s just majestic, that’s all. You’re a wonderful guy. Thanks for sharing a little bit of your great big heart, again.

Mike in MI, gotta ditto your comment and thank you for recognizing and having the courage to say it. You’re a good man also.

Thanks, JeffH, I appreciate your notes all the time and your integrity.

Liberty,

The world as we know it is very near its end, many of us will not survive the coming events. Thats why all of you who understand that “FREEDOM and FREE Thinking” is a GOD given right to all men.

Be ready to serve when your card is punched. Have strenght, Have courage to stand alone even when the odds are so great that you know you will not surive.
STAND, for only the TRUTH, as it is the only light, it is the only path. Have faith that you can move mountains when the call comes.
The time when the SONS of LIGHT V the SON’s of Darkness.
Choose the path you will follow.

Intuitively speaking, I believe I have always known that.

TIME – I would add to that, ponder, meditate and pray that God will open our hearts to embrace and embody His Divine, Infinite LOVE, above ALL ESLE. THAT is what will save us. When we can resonate with His LOVE, we will have NOTHING IN COMMON WITH EVIL, and it can’t touch us. “No weapons formed against you shall prosper.” “Though a thousand fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, it shall not come nigh thee.”

And, for the Love of God, WE MUST STOP HOLDING THE VISION OF THE NWO. We must create and hold a new vision, one of the world WE WANT. We underestimate the power in this. It takes discipline in this sea of media mind-control, but we MUST do it. This is our most powerful weapon.

Remember, the greatest commandment is LOVE. Yet, we’ve been brushing over it as if it were a simple platitude.

BTW, LOVE is not just a flowery concept. It is the only True Power, as it is the force of LIFE itself.

It’s time for some hope. This will uplift your day:

http://evolutionezine.com/a-better-world/

Thanks TIME and Kate8.

Yes Kate that is a beautiful video. Yes it is God’s world and he put us on this earth to be caretakers of that beauty. Keeping those beautiful places is a fight worth having and that is why I side with those who protect our surroundings and not those who willfully abuse it. If a Corporation needs God’s resources to make our life better then that is what it’s there for also. But he better leave it as he found it or restore it to some semblance to it’s former environment. Thanks for sharing.

Interesting, we need all the information in the world to get a job where we were BORN, but the interloper in the white house STILL refuses to show a REAL birth certificate. Guess in due course he will reveal that he wasn’t even born on earth, but the little people on the ships in the sky brought him as a gift! V – please come GET HIM!

That’s pretty sad Karolyn. Obviously the indoctrination process has worked well on you.
Personally I am not Inventory.

Either are union members.

They are to the Union leaders.

By law we are currently required to have a birth certificate; social security card; or passport; green card; – a couple forms of ID to present to our employer, and they in turn fill in a form (I-9) that is put in your file. Problem is if this system hasn’t kept illegals from employment – why would a national I.D. card work – and why do you have to keep getting birth certificates and SS cards – that makes no sense unless you discard them at every job application process? You certainly don’t give them to employers?

karolyn:

It is plain that you are part of the system in every way. I feel sorry for you. Sometimes, when you aren’t too busy of course, you might want to try thinking for yourself once in a while. I know that is hard work but you might be surprised at the results.

If man can create identification, Karolyn, man can copy identification.
Where are those Liberals who threw the big fuss about Arizona asking for IDs?
It is not in the list of Constitutional powers for the Federal Government to issue IDs. How many more violations of the Constitution are we going to allow these lawbreakers?
It amazes me how many people turn a blind eye to Government stepping on laws, and then wonder why so many citizens are following their bad example.
It’s time for the citizens to wake up and realize what Big Government is really all about — the self-interest of the leaders and their cronys.

Karolyn,
I was born in 1949, when government was half the size it is now. The people I knew in the 50s and 60s were at least as happy as they are now. Why do we need twice as much Government now?

DaeH – Why do we need twice as much…?
Well, there have been a lot more Karolyns born since Ted Kennedy grew to age and started polluting the gene pool.

And why do we now have the interstate highway system, jet planes, i-pods, electric roll up windows in our cars, powerful antibiotics, cures for cancer, television, reasonably safe hospitals, no more typhoid, pasteurized milk, and the web that can support this blog with satellites launched into space – all as a result of government programs, taxpayer supported. Start making the list of what you want and don’t want in your new world order free of regulations and taxes. Like it or not, the government is us, and before you decide to take it all down and let the giant corporations run us, think carefully. You seem to be asking for the law of the jungle or the genocide of the American Indian all over again, or slavery, or workhouses and sweatshops for our children. Is there anything you can think of that government did good or in your interest? Education, health, man on the moon, traffic control – are they worth nothing in your scheme of things? Don’t pay taxes, Vickie, but don’t ask for a molecule of what government programs have done for our nation and society. Sure, it has sponsored or supported some horrible stuff along the way as well including wiping out the indians, backing away from slavery on the late side, denying women the vote, prohibition, waging not a small number of unwarranted wars for no gain and a lot of loss of blood and treasure.

I read your VERY long list and decided to respond with a video to help you understand that we do want government. Small, controlled government. One that could help from time to time but would not constantly be in the way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

Skip writes:
“Like it or not, the government is us, and before you decide to take it all down and let the giant corporations run us, think carefully.”

I have. And will again. Ignoring for the moment that many think that giant corporations run us already, Please explain how one of the biggest corporations of its time fell to a little company with a fruity name?

Please explain how giant corporations can possibly run us without government force? For instance regulations that make it difficult to start a small business but large businesses simply accept cause it will damage / destroy competition.

Warning. Facts ahead.
http://smb.turcott.com/articles/138390/small-businesss-problem-with-government-regulation/

To partially quote a past president. “Government IS the problem”

Karolyn… We are losing our rights! Come out of your coma!

karolyn,

“If you choose to receive the mark of the beast it will be placed on your forehead or on your right hand.”

http://www.markbeast.com/mark/bible-mark-beast.htm

Where will you choose?

“The beast is Satan. But he will appear on earth as a powerful, awesome being. He will claim that he is God. This will happen very soon.”

“A few months after the beast comes to earth he will attempt to force every person on earth to receive the mark of the beast. He will make a law requiring every person to receive the mark of the beast and there will be stiff penalties to anyone who refuses. This law will apply to every person in every country on earth.”

Well, this “ancient prophecy” is about to be fulfilled. The “Obamessiah” is bringing it to fruition, and no one is standing up to prevent it. Unable to work, buy or sell without a government mandated ID (“MARK”)??

Be very afraid people of the US. Once this happens I will be unable to visit my remaining family in the US, but then even that is preferable to the alternative.

True – Like you said, the mark will be all over the world. Where are you that you feel safe?

There are some countries, like India, where chipping has been going on for some time already.

…that’s kinda funny…I carry my drivers license and my original SS card in my wallet and have a copy of my birth certificate in my files at home…I don’t need, want or believe any other form of ID is necessary.

karolyn,
If people weren’t so disorganized, they would have a safe place for both and then the only time they would have to get one is in case of fire or natural disaster! I have my original SSAN card I got when I was fifteen and my original birth certificate!! I keep them in a small fireproof safe that is also water proof! My dad gave me the original BC when I got married. i have my original discharge and even my dads as well!!

Too bad LBJ didn’t really believe and act on that.

That depends on what you are saying. You think that the prison population is too large, or are you saying that there are too many crimnals in the United States?

If it is the second, then what do you think we should do, give them awards on TV instead?

What do you think caused the high criminal rates in the USA? Being oppressed by whites? “Coloreds” not given enough free money by the upper class whites?

What we should be asking ourselves is, why has the great liberal social experiment begun in the 60s been such an utter failure?

Where is honor, integrity, decency, manners, and morals in 2011?
Why do so many people think about the “innocent 50s”?

When the Italian Mafia ruled the cities, at least the women could walk the street without fear of being mugged and raped. Who is safe from today’s drug gangs?

Aix -
muggers and rapists…why?

Aix – Amazing, isn’t it. Compared to today, back then was paradise.

And that with half the government we have today. I would think that people would start wondering. But then, I obviously think wrong.

The prison population consists of close to 10% of our population!!! We imprison more people per capita than any other nation. Why? The ridiculous, counter productive, ‘War against Drugs’ that imprisons non-violent drug-possessors, instantly creating an ‘underclass’ that will never be allowed to reach their full personal or economic potential, the bulk of which are ethnic minorities. All of this despite study after study of the drug war’s ineffectiveness and expense. Shame on the stupidity and perfidy of the Federal government.

If we hadn’t allowed our moral compass to be corrupted we wouldn’t even have such a problem with drugs.

The War on Drugs is as phony and inneffective as was the Prohibition on Alcohol. It’s there to make some people “feel” like their governement is actually doing something about their safety. They aren’t. But they are enjoying the empowerment of being able to build a political powerhouse of tax and spend controls on a “war” they never intend to win anyway. How would they justify all that taxation if there was no “War on Drugs”?

And here’s the bottom line:
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/graphs/25.htm

Yet, the Government still subsidizes tobacco. What a joke. Wake up American Citizens. You are being used.

But it creates a lot of union jobs!

Just as the Prohibition brought us the Mafia, the Drug Wars have brought us the Drug Lords. Good Grief, are we doomed to repeat history forever?

DaveH – That seems to be the way of things.

As long as we have greed and lust for power, there will be those who will figure out how to control and exploit. It’s part of living in duality.

Ancient esotericism teaches that as the wheel goes ’round, there are a few who evolve enough to get off this wheel at the end of each cycle and move on to a higher dimension. The rest gets destroyed and it all begins again.

The mafia was around a long time before the alcohol wars. In most cases the Italian mafia was a response to the Irish gangs that were piledging the American cities. Check out real history, not the revisionist stuff or the movies.

When the gang wars were happening in Chicago and NYC, who was fighting whom? Irish against Italians.

Sponsa…I don’t buy that at all. Sounds like your making this up as you go. Maybe provide references which should be easy enough.

that would indicate that he himself is “genetically inferior”. He is not “pure” anything, other than BS that is! However, it makes him even MORE like Hitler. Hitler was short, ugly, with dark hair and brown eyes. What he was attempting to create was the “perfect” individuals, with blonde hair and blue eyes. Gotta love it, only the truly insane seem to make it to the top, and right now we got the top two in the ring, obama and that nut in libya, who is saying all his people LOVE him, just like HERE! HA! If we survive this, it will be God’s own miracle!

My wife and daughters say I am genetically inferior since I’m a male? Does that mean they could get a job working for homeland security?

Woah! Using a term like “genetically inferior” makes YOU a Nazi! That, and a throwback to the “old days.” How old ARE you anyway?

I think you missed the irony of the question.

And the way he wanted to create that “perfect” race was to take women who met his description and force them to mate with men who were similiar. No marriage, no choice. Just have kids until you died. And the kids were to be raised by the state as well – not the parents.

.45 — You are right on the money with this one.
Semper Fi

karolyn – for all the elite’s do to encourage the blending of races amongst the herd, they are very strict about keeping their own bloodlines pure.

I believe Obama was an intentional creation, bred for the purpose he is now fulfilling. What could be better than to have someone who’s been thoroughly trained, indoctrinated and groomed to follow the NWO, and is able to appeal to all racial groups, especially those of a liberal mindset.

I also believe that he is just a tool, a frontman. He will be the figurehead of the NWO, but he is only a puppet. Exactly what they want.

Kate 8: Which elites are trying to keep their bloodlines pure? That is mostly Conservatives who believe in that philosophy. Obama’s mixed race hardly qualifies him for being a leader for racial purity. Since the article is about Nazification I don’t believe Hitler would have allowed Obama to even take his first breath unless he would have been useful in his labor camps.

eddie – Obama is not truly one of the elites. These are those who comprise the House of Rothschild, who conside their bloodlines to be royalty. This does include the European royalty. And yes, they do intend to keep their bloodlines pure.

As I said, Obama is only a created tool. I doubt if he has any real place in their final utopia.

Just as an aside, eddie, do think it was God’s intent that all races blend to create a single race? That we be all the same? Is there something wrong with us wanting to maintain our individuality and differences?

Why do the elites want us to be all the same? Is this not the reason God destroyed the Tower of Babel that Nimrod, the original NWO elite, tried to construct the same way, by making everyone the same?

Having divergent races and cultures acts as a sort of checks and balances. Even in the insect and animal species you have numerous varieties, and they are not inclined to merge with one another. It is their nature.

I have no problem with intermarrying, but if one chooses not to, that doesn’t make him a racist.

Skip, no one is outlawing unions. I don’t know where you get that from? Public employees should never have been allowed to unionize in the first place. Private employees have every right to unionize but don’t choose to do so when they live in state with right to work laws.

Just what good are unions??? I belong to SEIU. What good has it done me? They promised lower union dues. They’ve tripled. They promised better benefits. We lost benefits. Our healthcare plan costs 40% more under SEIU. We get NO input for contract negotiations and there are no union meetings. The only time I hear from the union is at election time when they want me to support Obama’s Nazi agenda. Just what good are unions???

Harold
For your and your familys sake, I pray they don’t find out what you just said!!

Take a look at what Kasich and Ohio did today. You’d better keep up with news. Won’t even allow police to ask for bulletproof vests! No, guys, you are watching the end of America as it was intended to be. We’ve sold out to the Koch brothers – no need for further elections – just install them in the White House straightaway and save the cost of the electoral process. They know what is right for us – as someone said in this blogosphere, we will be their farm aphids and they and their fellow travellers will take and have what they want. There will be no middle class – just aphids and the likes of the Kochs. And with no working class and no middle class, there will be no America and certainly no democracy. Koch/Kadaffi/Ahmedinejad know how to run a good country – and what have they in common???? Control of oil resources. It won’t be long before the Kochs join al Quaeda.

Speaking of thimbles full, you might want to look at the whole history of Hitler and the unions Skip. Hitler first pandered to the unions, giving them everything they asked for. Once he felt he was firmly in control, largely because of the union efforts, they became too demanding. They finally asked that May Day become a union holiday. One day Hitler granted that request and the next he disbanded them!
Sound anything like what we are seeing today?!

Here is a more detailed account Ted.

http://thegraph.com/2011/02/hitler-didnt-outlaw-unions-as-a-national-socialist-he-went-double-down-on-them/

Vickie – it looks like you stopped reading that citation where the propaganda stopped. The responses that followed were quite a bit more rational – read them. The working class in Hitler’s Germany really took a hammering. Do you really believe that the CEO’s of huge companies give a hoot about their workers – they have had no problem exporting jobs to wherever while they hold massive cash reserves and profits, and are they putting them to good use here? Not in the least. You are hoping for a nation where the average worker makes what the average Chinese or Indian or Vietnamese worker gets, where the the pollution of the rivers and countryside looks like China’s ruined 7 rivers, where the air from the Koch brother’s refineries will put Beijing to shame. Be careful what you wish for – you are going to get 1848, or worse, if you keep it up. Are you in the upper 2% income-wise – please tell us, because otherwise you have a death wish.

skip says:
“Vickie – it looks like you stopped reading that citation where the propaganda stopped.”

Argument to ridicule.

Skip: “The responses that followed were quite a bit more rational – read them.”

Argument to ridicule.

Skip: “The working class………. because otherwise you have a death wish.”

All argument to ridicule. No cite no assertions. No useful points. And attempts to falsely claim what I want. Watch the videos I have posted to other of your comments.

Unions don’t need to be outlawed, they need to be kept at bey.
They seem to have forgotten that THEY work for US!

JC
What?You mean like the government?Yea like thats going to happen.

I see you know ecactly what I mean Dan.
Between the Fed and the entrenched “unionized” bureaucracy, the idea of voting or a democracy is a complete joke.
I’ll bet Stalin is rolling in his grave at the simple genious of it all.

Who said anything about outlawing unions. We just want the laws enforced against them. If people want to join a union and bargain collectively, then fine.
But it’s not fine if they coerce people to join their union.
It’s not fine if they harass people who want to take the jobs that they are spurning.
It’s not fine if they harass customers.
That’s all we want — for the government to enforce the existing laws against anybody who trespasses on the bodies or property of others.

DaveH – Very well put. If the Lefty’s can’t understand that…

Outlaw unions? Unions are outlawed a long time ago, unions are criminal according to 15 U.S.C. §§ 1, what’s going on in WI and any threat of strike is criminal pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 1961–1968. Unions are mafia.

It’s just that our government refuses to enforce the law. The same way they are refusing to enforce immigration law that is in the books.

There’s got to be an amendment to the Constitution saying that refusal to enforce the law that does not carry court injunction, when such enforcement requested by citizens, constitutes a dereliction of duty and should result in an immediate removal from office.

Dear old Dave; There are plenty of people on this site who want to ban unions. So that all sounds rather condescending from you.I also think Governor Walkers real intentions are now known and that puts him more in parallel with that other fellow that was mentioned. (A. H. )He’s just sneaking his methods through the back door. JC likes to say unions work or him but that doesn’t mean those worker become his doormat. JC seems to want power over them that he really isn’t entitled to.If unions have a contract then those contracts should be respected until the next negotiations. A contract means nothing if someone can come along and tear it up like Gov. Walker is doing.

eddie, you totally miss my point. But then you are a little dense.
I don’t want “power” over anybody. I also don`t want anyone having power over me or my family, or my property, or my natural rights.
When the Teacher`s Union returns to teaching instead of indoctrinating
I might have some respect for them again. I thank God my kids graduated long ago and we taught them more at home than they learned at school.
I also don`t think my government has the right to pick my pockets to save companied “too big to fail”. What a bunch of bullsh*t that is and guess what? Some guy tightening lug nuts is getting more in wages and benefits than a Master Electrician who is out on his own.

Sorry, but the whole Union thing has run its course. It’s just a bunch of out of control communist who are as greedy as the CEO’s they complain about.

A contract also means nothing when there is no money to support it. Where is the line drawn when there is no money to pay the bloated pensions? The taxpayer funded pension payments have passed the point of sustainability.

This is the Democrats and Obama’s personal union, the SEIU, demand from the politicians they’ve invested tens of millions into for their special favors in the bankrupt state of California and other states they’ve buried their teeth in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G285gAEsZF4 – SEIU bullies California
The camera focuses on an official of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), California’s largest public-employee union, sitting in a legislative chamber and speaking into a microphone. “We helped to get you into office, and we got a good memory,” she says matter-of-factly to the elected officials outside the shot. “Come November, if you don’t back our program, we’ll get you out of office.’

The video has become a sensation among California taxpayer groups for its vivid depiction of the audacious power that public-sector unions wield in their state. The unions’ political triumphs have molded a California in which government workers thrive at the expense of a struggling private sector. The state’s public school teachers are the highest-paid in the nation. Its prison guards can easily earn six-figure salaries. State workers routinely retire at 55 with pensions higher than their base pay for most of their working life. Meanwhile, what was once the most prosperous state now suffers from an unemployment rate far steeper than the nation’s and a flood of firms and jobs escaping high taxes and stifling regulations. This toxic combination—high public-sector employee costs and sagging economic fortunes—has produced recurring budget crises in Sacramento and in virtually every municipality in the state.

California seems so far gone that I don’t know that any politician or group of politicians can bring it back. As long as the unions have the power to vote in politicians who then turn around and pay them back by giving them benefits that bankrupt the state nothing can change. Pensions and salaries are in place and there seems to be nothing that can scale them back.

If arguing against force is condescending, Eddie, then I am proud to condescend you.

Jeff; As usual you are so obsessed with canning unions you can’t see the forest through the trees.If the Chamber of Commerce has the power to vote (influence) politicians. Who then turn around and pay them back and giving them benefits that bankrupt a company or helps them send jobs overseas. There are alot of groups,unions,companies that influence what goes on in this country. Unions are not giving themselves big pay raises like Corporate CEO’s have been doing. The workers in Wisconsin are willing to give back for the good of the state.But CEO’s seldom give back for the good of their own company. Who is selfish and greedy?

Both

Gee whiz eddie, how did the Chamber of Commerce get in the picture…particularly in California, which was what I was posting about. Stick to my post ya big dummy!
Did you watch the video? Did you see what the SEIU representative said? Do you even care? Do you even understand what I posted?
Obviously not…again. You’re just rambling on eddie.

Jeff; You seem to think the unions influence everything but since the Chamber has influences of their own they do change election results. You always fail to realize there are two sides to a coin and your opinions reflect that. I’ve admitted that unions aren’t perfect but you bury your head in the sand and cover up the misdeeds of groups like the Chamber. Your comments are always far more derogatory (Nazi,commie,Marxists) than anything I can lay out. Some of you Can debate the union issue without the slick comparisons but you Choose not to.

skip says:
“The Nazis were the last nation to outlaw the unions, guys. You have about a thimbleful of knowledge of history.”

You appear to have less then a thimble full of knowledge about history. Anyone with a thimbleful would know that Hitler doubled down on unions.

Now unlike your proof by bald assertion I shall offer evidence of mine. This little blue text that follows is called a cite. It is a reference to support my assertion. You might consider using them from time to time.

http://thegraph.com/2011/02/hitler-didnt-outlaw-unions-as-a-national-socialist-he-went-double-down-on-them/

Come to think about it viki I dont ever remember seeing a cite posted by them,That might be because it would require facts.Nah thats just not right.

I agree about Wisconsin politicians – their governor is closest thing to a Mussolini we have yet seen, but it seems he has lots of friends in high places urging him on

As opposed to say, the Democrat weasel cowards who ran off to hide in a Bar?

They “ran off” to a hotel to protect the rights of the American worker. Those who labor in this nation have taken a beating by those in power.Whether by free trade advocates or government officials putting the squeeze on them. You should be more than happy that these Democrats have the courage to stand up for the rights of all workers. It won’t be long before everyone’s job will be in jeopardy. If wealthy elites, hand in hand with State officials can take away something that has been earned. We will all be in trouble especially under false pretenses if a Governor can use “collective Bargaining” as an excuse to render contracts as void.

“They “ran off” to a hotel to protect the rights of the American worker.

eddie knows all to well that cowards run and hide. If these Democrats weren’t such cowards and believed in protecting the “public unions” they would have come forward and fought rather than slink off and hide out. Now that’s protection you can depend on. Isn’t there a political process to be used by elected officials when they dissagree? I’ll bet the voters remember who the “cowards” are and who stood tall in the fight, and it sure wasn’t the Democrats.

When you are being hoodwinked by a Governor then other methods need to be used. If they would have stayed the workers voice would have been lost forever. They made the right decision at this time and maybe the next time the Governor will be more cooperative and be willing to offer a more honest synopsis instead of hiding behind his pals.

eddie47d says:
March 2, 2011 at 10:03 am
They “ran off” to a hotel to protect the rights of the American worker.

Um no, they ran off to protect their political careers so as not to look unAmerican when under the spotlight.
And Unions do not represent the “American Worker” they represent themselves and their system of political thuggery.

Unions definitely represent the American worker and all the positive inroads that have been made for the safety and treatment for those workers. Which includes you if you really care. As I have said many times not all companies need unions and that is terrific but the concept is still valid for many jobs. The workers of America who give back the right to bargain will cause all workers to take a hit.

Unions do NOT represent “THE” American worker. You are making way too much of yourselves, wrapping your communist butts in the American Flag and all.
Unions represent “some” American workers who unfortunately do not have either the opportunity or the innovation to think and do for themselves. So they group up like a herd and think collectively like “The Borg” and lash out like frightened children at anyone who dares question their legitimacy.
There was a time when they had a point to make…now they are a political entity concerned only with themselves…at everyone else’s expense.
I find them just as appalling as the overpriced CEO who does nothing productive for a living.

eddie47d writes:
“When you are being hoodwinked by a Governor then other methods need to be used.”

Hmmmm…. Ends justify the means. Where else have we seen this philosophy?

eddie47d says:
“Unions definitely represent the American worker and all the positive inroads that have been made for the safety and treatment for those workers.”

Workers needed no union to accomplish those lofty goals. When first formed in the private sector they were groups of people banding together. The people could have quit and started their own company. Which of course they did. The company “union XXX” where they had a board and leaders and income and loss (no profits though) and they then used intimidation and actual violence against workers of another company. The one they used to work for before they “went on strike” thus quitting.

Unions became the equivalent of a protection racket. You pay my employees (union members) whatever they want or something may happen to your company.

Proof in how workers who wanted to work were demonized (scabs) intimidated or even attacked.

http://mises.org/daily/1604

Had those nice people formed a company to compete with their former company and not used intimidation and violence they would have been better off by far and so would the consumer.

Had unions NOT employed violence (ends justify the means?) they would not have been so hated by the people.

Unions are not now nor ever were necessary. They have always been a blight on the free markets of the world.

The free markets of the world are seldom FREE and there is always a catch no matter what the product. Are you so blind Vickie to not see the gimmicks they use to sell their products.You’ve been watching too many rosy commercials in how honest a company is and how they will save the day. Even unions don’t have any control over a companies lack of integrity. These workers have enough on their plate without having to worry what goes on in the backrooms of the boardroom. Although it would be a good idea to put a couple of union members in on all those meetings. Someone needs to keep those “free market” people in line.

Union members in the board rooms?
Talk about the fox watching the henhouse.
Hey eddie, maybe we need “block captains” too?
They were in existence in Germany in the 30′s and 40′s
and belonged to a union that called themselves the Nazi’s.
And how about surveillance inside our homes?
With “union” technicians to run it of course.

Boy! Unions can solve ANYthing!

Well our free market capitalists have certainly dropped the ball so what are your solutions instead of your Nazi rants.

eddie, free market capitalism has not existed in the US since at least 1913. What you are railing about is Corporatism or Economic Fascism manipulated by the Fed and its pals in Government.

But “Free Market Capitalism’ It aint!

eddie47d says:
“The free markets of the world are seldom FREE and there is always a catch no matter what the product.”

So? At least in a free market we get a choice. It’s called competition. With government we don’t.

eddie47d: “Are you so blind Vickie to not see the gimmicks they use to sell their products.”

poorly veiled ad hominem attack. I win the debate.

For ameusement I will note that those “evil” businesses don’t put a gun to my head and force me to buy their gimmicks. Regrettably Obamacare will place a gun to my head and force me to by “government approved” insurance.

Or for liberals, government will arrest you at gunpoint and throw you in jail for years for daring to grow your own herbs if they are not government approved herbs. And this is government edict from over 50 years ago. Not the newest laws from the FDA.

Don’t you clearly understand that Governor Scott Walker is trying to do the wise thing in Wisconsin. He is not an example of Mussolini–get your head out of the sand! Those union employees will still have their jobs, their health care benefits, their pensions. In this economy that is a wonderful thing to be thankful for. The problem is that too many people have a sense of entitlement–namely big labor unions. Many of them are as corrupt as the politicians they’re in bed with! If your a pro-union individual, I suggest you take a good long look at the history of Richard Trumpka, head of the AFL-CIO. Then, talk to me about Mussolini!! Governor Walker is an example of what more politicians should be doing. If all of the states that are heading toward bankruptcy don’t cut back now, and I do mean now people in the United States are going to be much worse off than they can comprehend. One monumental problem with Americans is that we are not used to sacrificing, well, the time has come for all of us to realize we have to cut back individually as well as nationally if we want to continue to survive in this great nation!

Gov. Walker is correct. The unions for government employees are protected by civel service. They should be prohibited from collective bargaining or find another job.

Historically, unions may be correctly credited with many labor practices that, today, we take for granted. However, public unions, do not, can not, contribute to a ‘bottom line’ as private manufacturing and labor unions can and most often do. Even then, we’ve allowed unions to usurp much of the power of its’ members. In my opinion, no union, but particularly government-oriented unions, should be allowed to make any political use of its’ members’ dues, i.e., campaign contributions, or other political support, not including educational meetings for its’ members regarding political issues. Since government workers, teachers, etc. are covered by civil service and merit rules, collective bargaining for benefits is unnecessary and counter productive. If the job is unsatisfactory, they will always have the same option as the rest of us: find another job.

Any politician who avoids, or shirks, their duty to appear in the Legislature during scheduled sessions should by summarily recalled and dismissed. And the cowards in Wisconsin should be prosecuted for dereliction of duty. Apparently they failed to understand the election results.

I am ashamed of the demonstrators in Wisconsin; it is human nature not to accept losses gracefully, but in this case, where the government is in dire financial straights, asking the employees to contribute to their own retirement and health care as the rest of us do, is the only program that makes sense. As for the union members, they are more willing to accept lay offs, because as senior members, it won’t affect most of them. Disingenuous at best.

So, if somebody keeps your Liberal hands out of our wallets, skip, he’s a Dictator?

Julie; I’m for Gov. Walker trying to balance the budget yet he has made it a union busting issue. That has made several of you very giddy!He has made collective bargaining his scapegoat when it is almost a non issue. Since the teachers have made concessions it only proves Walker is on a vendetta and may not be fit to govern. When workers rights are threatened it effects all those who work. This is going to give government even more power to control what you earn and how much they can take away from your paycheck. He can break contracts with the stroke of a pen and in this case tell Wisconsin employees you don’t deserve what you work for and earned.Government intrusion may be coming to a job near you. Governor Walker overplayed his hand by being dishonest about his ultimate ambition and who is behind his agenda. He can be fair about the budget for that is part of his duty but not by being underhanded.

DaveH – I think the only answer you’ll get on that one is…crickets.

Put down the bottle, Eddie, I’m DaveH.

I was talking to Julie ,Dave H. so maybe you are the one who needs to put down the bottle. Whatever that means?

Then why did you reply to my comment? Duh.

I replied under Julie so just get over yourself. Not everything is about you Dave H.

skip… At least he hasn’t left the state and avoiding his duties!

Only Democrats do that. When Republicans come up with ideas and legislation the Democrats don’t like and they do not have valid arguments against it, they either scream racism or they run and hide like the sniveling immature, whining crybaby children they are. They just keep giving me reason to NEVER EVER vote for a Democrat at ANY level of government. As an Independent, I probably should vote for people of either party, but the Democrats just keep giving me reasons NOT to vote for them.

Are you one of those semi-illiterate union people who make $80,000 a year while being incompetent, and you can’t be fired?

The union leaders are pouring millions into Wisconsin to defeat anyone who will curtail their power to harness the taxpayer. It is not hard working members of the unions but their bosses who force states to collect as much as eight thousand million dollars a year from union worker paychecks so that the union bosses can live in luxury and control who gets elected senator and sometimes even president. Less than 12% of Americans are members of unions so they certainly don’t represent everyone. Once the unions start to riot like they have in Greece and elsewhere all will see the truth but it will be to late then to save the nation. Some states have lost a great deal of their population in the past decade. Many of those who are upper middle class have moved out of New Jersey, and New York has lost a million taxpayers in the past decade who have left the country or moved to right-to-work states where the lack of unions has kept property taxes as much as one fourteenth what they are in some NE states and one tenth of what they are in Illinois. Of course I’ve heard our president wants to force unions even on the free states and make it the same everywhere. Congress has already destroyed the manufacturing in this country and millions of even union jobs have been lost to those in Mexico and China and India. In some southern and southwestern states you can buy a house for what the tax alone would be in NY, Connecticut, New Jersey, Illinois, etc. Unions used to be a good idea but when so-called public servants decide they are the masters and the stupid taxpayers are the servants then you have the problem which we now have. Already union salaries and benefits far exceed the poor “smucks” who have to be taxed to pay for it all. If the union bosses push hard enough they might even convince millions not to pay their taxes at all and then that would be the end of the story because states can’t just print money like the U.S. Treasury is doing. Some say we have only two years left, others think we may have five years, but you had better not be living in a major city when the rioting and looting and burning begins. I’ve read in Army Times that there are tens of thousands of troops being trained to try to get things under control when the riots finally begin in earnest. Who do you think brings food to stores all over the country? Unions! No wonder some people are building up emergency food supplies. “Oh, no! It could never happen here!” say some but one of the President’s people said over FIVE YEARS AGO that nothing could stop it – nothing on earth – and that was over FIVE YEARS AGO. Forget about the arguing here and start preparing. The few socialists here will never be convinced, even when it all happens they will still be blaming Bush or Clinton, Obama or the new president. I suspect most here are already preparing. If they are not they will go hungry regardless of whether they are Democrats or Republicans, Communists or Socialists, Libertarians or Independents, believers or atheists.

Crawl back under your rock you Communist low life.

Thank you, Alex.
Without posters like you, the people wouldn’t know just how creepy the Liberals really are.

All religious doctrine should be proven without the controversial “Revelation”. If you can’t prove it by the OT and NT, then it is not viable. Christ is not coming 3 times. Only ONCE more, as HE himself said in red letters. So we can expect that IF this is the end times, that things will get really-really bad BEFORE he comes.

Aix, Revelation is accepted as part of the New Testament. The red letters are put in the Bible by man to make it easier to identify God’s or Christ’s actual words.

The problem with prophecy is that you prove it by surviving it.

maxi -
You could be righter than you know about this dead body business. I think the pushing and shoving is going to be done by forces outside of any human agency’s control.
We live in a temperate clime; but that doesn’t mean that the weather is always temperate, now, does it? Our municipalities are almost universally running deficits thanks to weather related stuff. I wonder where those eastern cities are going to stand after this winter season?
What if next winter is as bad or worse – maybe a few ice storms, followed by frigid cold after taking out the electrical grid for a week or so? Is Obama going to require mounting plow blades on Chevy Volts when the present plows wear out? Or, will we run the plows on the methane he and the his herd of czars discharge? Where’s the money going to be to fix bridges and roads after the spring run-off? I’ll bet that’ll be good for economic recovery.
Oh well, Obama sees it as good…money taken away from Conservative’s causes, election efforts and mobility (sort of reverse community organizin’).

What do you mean “then”?

OK, its a deal.

The sooner the better for your last promise!

I take it that Alex and Skip are all for the enslavement of America?
At least they seem to be…

And these are the people that feign concern for the citizens’ welfare.
It sure isn’t hard to expose them for what they really are.

What they really are Dave, is a bunch of cowards.

DaveH and JC – Alex and Skip will be operating the DNA scanners.

Kate8, not in my house.

Louie: Are you Charlton Heston reincarnated??????

Maybe he’s one of the original Revolutionaries that helped create this country…reincarnated. God knows we could use more of them!

yeah louie, now you’re talkin’! give ‘em a reason to suspect us!! give ‘em a reason to spend all this useless money, OUR money, in order to lobotomize us and finger our penises (there might be a sliver bomb in there). bring it on, big brother!! i would love to finger your penis back, and see what it feels like!

time for Civil War II in America! yeah, wouldn’t that be nice! lets destroy the entire american infrastructure, looking for those sliver bombs in men’s penises!!

More like fahrenheit 451

Sorry, but it’s like “1984″, just a lot later.

That’s McGoohan. Great show.

Hated it. The new version was even worse.

Munday – Lindsey Williams, who worked under the world elite as chaplain for an oil pipeline project, is now giving information about what the elite are doing. Much of it was gotten from a deathbed confession of one of them.

Anyway, he says that the elites have one “ethical” condition for what they do, and that is that they MUST tell us, in advance, of what they plan to do. They have many ways of doing this, and one of them is through Hollywood.

Ethical? Would I think it ethical if a rapist were to leave cryptic and confusing notices, where by if I am smart enough, I can eventually figure out that my wife is going to be raped? No, this would just add to how crazy and evil the bastard is. The elite are defientely @#@#% up indivdiuals. Its all that in-breeding.

Munday/TX Ever see the Truman Show?

I found 10 episodes of the Prisoner on hulu.com but nothing for Max Head Room.

It isn’t terrorists or illegal aliens that are ruining our country. It is Big Government. They are now spending over 40% of our GDP. Government doesn’t create wealth, Government consumes wealth.

Wow for once I agree with you DaveH.

And I will add that it is specifically our foreign policies and our interference in other sovereign nations that have made us insecure. Our long time support of dictators, our overthrowing of democratically elected govts we don’t like, our covert activities, our political assassinations and our sales of weapons to both sides of conflicts these are all responsible for our current terrorism problems.

If we believe in the free market system then we should allow it to be free and we should just pay the price of commodities instead of always trying to control them with the largest and most expensive police force the world has ever seen.

Our military industrial budget is larger than almost all nations military budgets combined and what has it gotten us but more insecurity and massive deficits.

Agreed. It’s worth taking a look at Michael Scheuer’s new book on BinLaden. When you think about it, many Americans are screaming about their fears that the Muslims are trying to do exactly what we have been doing in their countries for decades.

Kinetic – It’s not really the American people who’ve been doing this. We’ve been brainwashed to view it in one way or another, but the American people are by and large horrified by wars and foreign intervention.

The real control has come from the world elite, who’ve been using the American military to do their bidding by pulling the strings of our government.

I’m just getting tired of getting bad rap for things that we’ve had no control over. We can only hope that enough people will see what’s been going on and refuse to play anymore.

Dang. Eric and Kinetic agree with me. Something must be wrong in my thinking, lol.
I think this article explains it pretty well:
http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2008/12/sociopathic-politician.html

DaveH,
And now Mr. Perfect, Nobummer is trying to get the U.S. involved in a no fly zone over Libyia, even though the fighters are asking the U.S to stay out!!

“Why are we spending billions at airports. Not one terrorist has been caught at an airport.”

While I am sure we would hear about it for months if they did manage to catch one that is not the primary purpose of the scanners and gropings. The real purpose is to condition the people to such actions as commonplace and acceptable then continualy expand it until all aspects of your life is under the thumb of the government.

Sorry Bud, but “security” isn’t about catching terrorists or securing our borders (Arizona?)…it’s a training exercise to turn us all into compliant sheep and pave the way fro the NWO, or a One World Government of International Banksters (Rothscilds etal;)however you want to call it…
It is NOT about security which is why we should be seething mad about it.

JC
Next they will be asking for permission slips.They have the guards in place with their strip search’s.So maybe they will put up the fences soon to keep us all in!

My gut reaction is to quit travelling by air or rail. But isn’t that exactly what they are trying to accomplish? To restrict our mobility, freedom of speech, right to arms etc.

I’m always reminded of that infamous line from the movies:

“Your Papers Please”

Why should they focus on the border? If they did that they might actually catch some terrorists and they don’t really want to do that. The only “terrorists” they want to catch are patriotic American citizens who believe in the U. S. Constitution and want it enforced.

Exactly. The NWO crowd is definately terrified of the American Patriot. Why else are they attacking American values and trying to disarm us?

Harold,
Besides if they DID catch a terrorist, they might have to do something to a muslim and that might piss the boss off!!

Or maybe they would just go with the
Terrorist Catch and Release Program
you know, to ensure a good turnout next year….

I’ll have to go with that one it makes perfect since.

“A Nation Divided can not stand” How better to divide a Nation (the greatest Nation bar none) than to fill it with immigrants, who want it brought down. Thin out the citizens so they can’t stand together against their combined numbers. It’s not only the boarders of the US & Mexico, there are thousands coming here from the Middel East to help bring us to their way of thinking. With the help and blessing of our Administration. All immigration to the US should have been stopped long ago.

Mike in MI – OMG. Do you suppose that’s what Scripture means when it talks about the “mark” and God’s people being “sealed”?

Could that liberal component be, in fact, the “mark”?

Or something very much like that.

K88 -
I quit trying to tell God His business and what He should do about the Devil’s intentions – years ago. I only know His Word says He has promised to take care of my needs, my health and keep us in perfect peace as we continue to love Him with the love He gave us when He created His gift of His spirit inside, study His magnificent Word and help any who want to know something I’m qualified to teach.
Just as an aside – over the years it’s been really interesting to see how believing seems to run in families. I’ve often wondered if there is a genetic component to it? Why does He call it The Family of God?

Mike in MI – I wasn’t asking you for confirmation. It was just a thought!

Obviously, God wanted us to have this knowledge or He wouldn’t have written it down and commanded us to understand and keep watch. He knew that some people would have “ears to hear” and most wouldn’t. Also, he said these things would reveal to us in the last days. HE WANTS US TO KNOW. Having this knowledge will help empower and protect us.

Yes, I believe that there is more to being God’s people than indoctrination. I believe it is encoded in our DNA. I have held God in my heart since I was old enough to have thoughts, even though I completely rejected church, even as a small child.

I believe that DNA is, among other things, an antenna, which connects us to our Creator (and to one another), transmitting and receiving communion. “The power is in the blood”. And Jacob’s ladder – angels ascending and descending, carrying messages back and forth.

In the same vein, a person’s being can be affected by simply having a sample of that person’s DNA. Think spells and such. But also, this has long been used in the homeopathic arena. I worked with a doctor who kept a drop of his patients’ blood, so if they became ill, they could phone him and he’d use the sample to diagnose and treat. It never failed to work.

As weird as this sounds, it is science, and the PTB are well aware of this and are making use of it. The implications of possessing everyone’s DNA in a database are far more expansive and nefarious than most people have any idea. If you’ve ever had blood drawn, you are probably already in there. They’ve been collecting samples from newborns for a long time, before they leave the hospital.

Though an interesting idea it seems unlikely that God would pre program some people with DNA to fail and be condemned to hell. God gave us free-will so that we could choose to follow or not. Setting up some to fail (I.E. not have the free will to choose to follow) is not logical.

Now if this were an MMORPG (Massivly Mulitiplayer online role playing game) we could say that those with the liberal DNA are NPCs and that would make sense for God to have pre programmed them. Thus they would not go to hell because they never had a choice.

Vicki – Just more food for thought.

“The sins of the father are visited on the children unto the third and fourth generations.”

You know as well as I that not everyone gets to make a choice based on an equal footing. We believe the way we are raised to believe, and what our experiences reinforce.

I don’t try to second-guess God. I trust that He is righteous and just. And since all life proceeds from Himself, I’m sure He has it worked out.

I suppose that is possible Kate8. I always thought of it as the national identification card myself but what if the two ideas were combined. Incorporate your DNA information into the card.

Independent – It’s all speculation at this point, but I suppose we will know soon enough.

Indie -
Once they’ve got a part of you they can gin up a holograph of the entire you, anywhere, anytime, compare you to their database and find you anywhere – short of being hid by God.
But if they do decide to put a chip in you they can find you by satellite like finding your personal DirecTV receiver or GPS.

K88 -
They can have all my blood they want for whatever purpose they can conjure up. I know that no weapon devised can prevail against anyone standing in and depending on God’s ability. If not, I’d have been dead long ago. Several times over. That’s probably true of many of the great folks who come here.
You’re a great lady, Katie.

They won’t be putting any chip in me.

That was my thought, too.