Yeah Dan, but I forgot to say after “it’s a fairy tale”, and Obama’s the Pied Piper. how’s the weather? my kid”s in Flagstaff this week, he was here last weekend helping me change the ram seals in my backhoe, what a job. he’s a diesel mechanic for Waste Management in your area. I told him where you work, he lives in Williams. how’s your economy? I create my own work, don’t rely on the Govt., except for permits which costs some money.

There is a working solar energy plant in AZ if I’m correct. On an Indian reservation. I saw an article by a retired engineer who had worked there about 15 years ago.

He stated that all the costs of the “free energy” plant are being hidden. If the true maintenance costs are used to determine the price of electricity generated there, it would result in bills to those served of about $15,000 a month.

Not so free, is it?

You are so right! The hydro dams along the Columbia River are a prime example of that. They generate electricity very nicely, but they were all built by the Army Corps of Engineers, all to bring less than market price per kw/hr. And we’re still subsidizing for Oregon and Washington residents to have all electric houses and pay a small portion of what they really owe.

william
You are so right about hydrogen and natural gas.They have units out now that supplies individual houses but the cost is still a little high.They also have hydrogen cars that make it feasible but this guv. ignores it.I have lived off grid for more than 16yrs now and know what works and doesn’t and I have been researching hydrogen for awhile now and find it amazingly cheap to produce with solar plus natural gas as its components.There are cities is japan and china that have been using this technology for quite some time now, I feel that if any investments were to be used wisely then this would be the starting point.

Dan,

Absolutely. Last report I checked was that there is 10,000 years worth of Natural Gas in the United States alone. Problem is government regulation refusing to issue permits to get it.

This is also how and why the Government – pushed and backed by these wackos – to implement High Fee’s, High Taxes, Carbon Fee’s, High permit Fee’s, High Operations Fee’s, ect.. You name it.

The reason behind this is because the Alternative Green choices such as Solar and Wind are very expensive and not worth the investment. One way to “Compare” cost, is to raise the “Costs” of the cheap producing Coal and fuel plants through these higher taxes and ungodly fee’s. Then the argument becomes “See, they cost the same to operate”!!!

In the meantime, those fee’s, costs and taxes are getting passed on to the consumer, and it’s simply wrong and they know it, including their religious worshipers.

Hydrogen and Natural Gas is the quickest alternative fuel. It’s just not green enough for the tree huger.

The Japanese government is so bullish the technology it has earmarked $309 million a year for fuel cell development and plans for 10 million homes — about one-fourth of Japanese households — to be powered by fuel cells by 2020.

Professor Bruce Rittman, director for the Center for Environmental Biotechnology at Arizona State University, says the biggest benefit of fuel cell technology is that it emits only water — when there’s a clean source of hydrogen

The reason the government is against natural gas in vehicles is fuel taxes.

If they were to add the taxes to natural gas, it would be too easy to simply fill up at your house and not pay it. So to get the full fuel tax, they would have to add it to ALL natural gas usage – and a LOT of Americans would revolt, particularly in New England where most of them live. They use natural gas a lot (at reduced rates of course) for home heating.

The problem is the same for electric vehicles. They can make them well enough but how do they tax the road use of electricity? You would normally “fill up” off house current.

What they are now looking at is “road tax”. Someone in Mass. came up with that one. They want to use the GPS in cars to transmit your milage to receivers every time you pass one of them. (And they don’t have them up yet.) You would then get a tax based on the number of miles you drove on a monthly basis. (Don’t think this will replace the fuel tax. It won’t.)

One Congressman even went so far as to say they could use the GPS to compare your milage and stopping with the built in map. If you exceeded what the map said was the speed limit or didn’t stop where the map said a stop sign existed, you would also get a ticket. Of course, that means that they have to get the maps fixed. The GPS I have doesn’t show some roads at all, shows a higher or lower speed limit than the signs on the road do, and shows stop signs where they don’t exist – if they ever did.

But that just means they can get more ticket money, right?

That sounds conceivable if there is a way to make more money then yes they will do it!

360 degree change is going in the same direction. We need a 180.

There is another reason CHina can use wind … they don’t have to worry about anyone arguing “not in my backyard!” Nor do they have to worry about people worrying about the birds killed or the noise.

45caliber,
California had plans to build the largest solar project in the world. the greenies came in and started lawsuits over a freaking turtle and a lizard!!!! Let’s face it California needs all the help with power they can get!!!

Tim,

Don’t forget about the New Green Energy Solar Plant in Florida which Obama Praised as the Future technology. What Obama failed to mention, is that the citizens cost have gone up, the price tag investment came from Taxpayers, and the ROI (Returned On Investment) is 100 years. In other words, in 100 years, it will have paid for itself.

Of course, that estimate was given at the plant absorbing sunlight 24 hours a day. The real return on investment is 170 years.

Try being a businessman, walk into a bank and ask the bank for an investment loan to start a business. When the bank asks when you will pay back the loan, tell them in 100-170 years, but hey, its green and get laughed out of the bank or even with private investors.

The problem with Government making business decisions is that they use taxpayers dollars and don’t give a hoot how or when or even if it makes money, then never have to pay it back and don’t. In the private sector no such stupidity would be allowed and if coherence, then would be in prison.

Lastly, according to Obama/Soetoro estimates of 1 million battery cars on the road by 2012 is beyond ridiculous. The Government must use taxpayers dollars from working Americans to supplement in the form of subsidies reaching between $7,500 – $10,000 per automobile, just to get someone in the public to purchase a product they obviously don’t want. A waste of tax dollars through theft.

William, that doesn’t even take into account the fact that the governments own Civil Engs. have stated that if 10% of us actually bought and tried to use these electric cars it would collapse our Electrical Infastructure.

I see you have bought into the propaganda. Lies and misinformation are the tools of special interests (read oil companies)who do not want to see alternative energy developed in this country. If opponents would take the time to educate themselves they will be amazed at the progress being made by American alternative energy companies. Then they will then not embarrass themselves by repeating ridiculous claims of 100 year pay backs. Incidentaly Arizona is now the Solar Energy capital of the U.S., with new manufacturing jobs being created at an unprecendant rate. Check it out.

peter
what makes you think that the price of oil isnt going to go up?
Both the hybrid Toyota Prius, which doesn’t need an outlet to charge, and the gas-powered Chevrolet Cobalt are more cost-effective in California, the study found. Oil prices would have to rise from less than $100 a barrel now to between $171 and $254 to make the Volt as economical, even after factoring in thousands of dollars in government incentives.So if you look between the lines you would see that the only way for him to go green is to stop oil production and raise the cost of oil to justify his fantasy.The oil reserves that we have here are the largest in the world and the cost per barrel would be in the 1960s region so to open those reserves he would have to abandon his fantasy of utopia.this site that I will leave you will prove that just read it!
oil reservers here
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

Peter,

Propaganda? How so? Let’s look at it briefly.

“Speaking at an Air Force base near Las Vegas, President Obama pointed to a field of solar panels and boldly declared, “The first is a solar energy technologies program that will help replicate the success of the Nellis project in cities and states across America.”

The plant, a public-private venture that cost $100 million, generates about a quarter of the electricity used on the base, where 12,000 people live and work.

The president said the project created 200 jobs and will save the Air Force nearly $1 million a year while reducing carbon pollution by 24,000 tons a year — the equivalent of removing 4,000 cars from U.S. roads.”

Response:

A project that costs $100 million (though I’d guess this number probably doesn’t include the land costs) to save almost $1 million a year? There’s a name for that—a lousy investment. And creating 200 jobs? Not really. The project employed 200 people. Not the same thing.”

In addition, an investment cost of 100 million to save 1 million a year, will in fact take 100 years to break even.

Propaganda? No….its a financial fact. In addition, Solar power cost 6 times more than conventional energy. Once the Government Subsidies run out, that cost will then be past onto the consumer, much much higher in monthly energy bills than they currently pay.

William:

Also remember that the ROI of that solar plant also depends upon very little maintenance for that plant over the 100 years. In reality, they will have to replace that entire plant between 3 and 5 times over that century.

Do some calculations sometime on solar power. Some years ago, there was a protest at University of Penn. about them cutting a single tree to put up enough solar panels to power ONE BUILDING. One of their professors stated that to put up enough for the state would require that over half the state would have to be cleared and leveled to provide enough energy for the other half.

And these nuts believe that solar power is the way to go?

45
Actually I don’t think that would be enough.In reality the average family would need 200 amps service x the amount of people there.So you see it would probably take the entire state covered in panels and you still would have to reduce the amount of usage.The problem with solar is that you need to store the power during the day light hours and use it in the night time so the batteries would have to store it.where are the batteries going to sit? which state will because its going to have to be big enough to store five days worth to be feasible and not all states have sunshine everyday!

This was some years ago. At that time, they could do it but not now. I agree with you. Can you imagine “green” people who would object to cutting a single tree allowing us to level and cut millions of trees now? I can’t.

The only actual use I can see for solar units is on individual houses as supplimental power. And even that will be very expensive. There is NO way we could ever depend solely upon solar energy. Even if collectors are placed into space and the energy beamed to earth as microwaves.

Hey 45caliber.

What you said is not true. Ronald Reagan said it best “Trust But Verify” I did have my doubts at first. But so far, after reading about 20 books on the subject of renewable energy, I can truly say there is credibility in the science of solar energy.

Solar and some other renewable sources of energy can be extremely beneficial; not only economically but environmentally as well.

Solar is the new oil. America can become the next exporter of that technology surpassing China. Until recently, the Chinese have perfected the technology and were exporting solar panels to the U.S. When the U.S. government placed tariffs on their exports, it didn’t take long before the biggest Chinese manufacturer opened a plant in Nevada employing Americans do that job once done in Chinese factories.

It kind of makes you think when the Governor of Hawaii can’t find it either. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai
I think I know where he hid it!
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/191918/why-does-interpol-need-immunity-american-law-andrew-c-mccarthy

Out of curiosity, I wonder if this means Interpol has the right to arrest someone in the U.S. without a search warrant or warrant of any type and hauling them out of the country for trial in another country without permission from the U.S. government.

I know the International Criminal Court is actually set up by some European elites who insist that all countries of the world have to answer to whatever laws they create. And I know that the US Congress declared back about 1975 that if they tried to try any American for any offense, it meant automatic war.

45caliber,
If there is a warrant for your arrest in any country that interpol is covering, then yes. I believe that Bob had an article about a year ago that told of this. They don’t even have to check in with your local, state,or federal authorities! This was brought to fruition under none other than nobummer!!! this is covered even if you are mistaken to be a suspect!!

Well now, are you saying I could run for POTUS and need not to produce a proof just get the dimwits in the election committee to put my name in.

So the 5th paragraph of article II of the constitution doesn’t really matter as long as you swear you are what you say you are? So why did Madison and the founding fathers put it down in the constitution if you don’t have to prove it? Besides, in my opinion if you run for public office your right of privacy is invalid because everything you do affects the public.

But he should produce his past records if he wants people to have confidence in him. All past presidents have been open. Why not Obama, what does he have to hide?

Exactly.

I second that motion! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Not as President next term.

There was a group over there who, while many of us were trying to scratch a hole in the ground and see through extreme vegatation to defend ourselfs, were living in air conditioned barrachs, with brick P.X.s and movie houses. These guys even had swimming pools man! They have no idea what war is about, however they are the first to make you aware of their being there and man can they tell you some hair raising war stories! They were “loving” refered to as REMFs and only one of them could possibaly support this administration!

Probably because he was drafted to go to Vietnam. No choice there. Who he supports and doesn’t support in the White House, he has every choice. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Robin,
Just all the ones that want to see us destroyed! to the queen of England, he patted her on the back!! He’s lucky her guards didn’t take him down!!!

Very true Dan. The business owner has the ability to control their labor costs. In part simply by rewarding those who are productive and removing those who are not. The owner can even in many instances reduce the impact of excessive taxation, by changing methods or policies. The major factor that effects small business is the aggregious regulations this administration continues to create!

Glass-Steagall was voted against and several regulations went out the window. Thus in turn created ponzi schemes,derivatives,and mortgage failures. So get off the anti-regulations soapbox.

That has nothing to do with small businesses Eddie. Stop making excuses for abusive government and avoiding the points being made.

I think it has a lot to do with small business. It has a lot to do with consumers and big businesses as well. You had to pay the banks and mortgage companies billions of dollars (they did not even have to tell you how they spent the money) to clean up the mess they made after they lobbied so hard to be unregulated. The cost to the american taxpayer could be in the trillions and you say that has nothing to do with small business? That money could have been spent in helping small businesses invest in R&D or other initiatives that would help Americans. Without the deregulation of the mortgage industry and banking system maybe all those people would not be duped into buying houses and losing them in a few years. They would have had more money to spend at small businesses. Wall street screwed everyone and nothing has been done to prevent them from doing it again. Hegemony (the powers that be) has allowed the status quo to be maintained and we will all pay because of it. The next election should be a referendum on reinstating glass Steagle and dismantling the federal reserve. The power to make money should be put back in the hands of americans and not a private company.

Dan,
How well would the space race have gone without government intervention? How many non-governmental jobs have been created by space exploration? How many new companies with new inventions came from space exploration? The byproduct of many such endeavors are new discoveries and new companies. I expect that American companies, many subsidized by the government will be driven to develop new and better designs in solar collectors, batteries, turbines and other technologies that we can only imagine at this time.

Were we to simply to have left it to the market, our cars would be just as polluting as they were in the 50s, would have no more safety devices than in the 50s, and most people would be happy to just keep on driving with gas until it becomes to expensive or too scarce. Is that the time to start looking at alternatives?

If you truly feel that way about our Space Program Kenetic, how do you justify the fact that Obama has just outsourced it?

Ted,
I have mixed feelings. Private firms were always likely candidates for future space exploration. As our ability to travel to distant planets (or moons, asteroids, etc.) improved, businesses were undoubtably going to see it as an opportunity for commerce. If we can successfully shift a portion of our space travel to the private sector as a cost cutting move, then it only makes sense. We don’t rely on a fleet of government planes for all the government’s transportation needs, so why should we expect anything different in space? On the other hand, it has to be done in a way that is advantageous to both government and private industry. If the end result can be more private sector jobs, great. If those jobs require increased government spending compared to keeping it in house, then forget it.

I have read a lot of comments on this site about the President outsourcing our space program to Russia or China, but that’s not what I have read in the news. Yes, the President wants to outsource some projects, and yes he spoke of working with China and Russia instead of competing with them, but I think some of you have jumped to conclusions about one involving the other. We already work with other nations with regard to the space station, and that wasn’t an issue of outsourcing, just common sense. To assume that working together means that we will use foreign nations to facilitate our outsourcing is jumping to conclusions. If you have a link to a reliable source suggesting this, please post it.

kinetic,
you need to check out the fact that Obummer is considering letting China bid on our DEFENSE contracts!! What utter stupidity is THYAT?!?!?!?

Let’s cut to the chase Kenetic1. Is the American space shuttle going to be flying any more or not? Outsourcing to Russia is a lot different than American companies bidding on and doing the work.

Green manufacturing may create some jobs – but it will undoubtedly close a lot more than they create. Most liberals fail to see that.

Right you are 45! By the ratio of 2 to 1 in those countries that have tried it so far!

I didn’t know the ratio but it doesn’t surprise me. Thanks for letting me know.

Most of those green jobs will be going overseas, not here.

It is also my understanding too that just yesterday federal mandates of State Unemployment Insurance cost to companies have the cap for deductions doubled.

Where a state will now be allowed to require withholding to increase up to $15,000 from the first $7,000 for SUI …… now that is a job creator.

Of course it is Larry! Don’t you remember when Pelosi informed us that unemployment was the largest and best thing we could do to improve the economy, egro job creation?

That is actually a Corporations mantra. The more jobs you let go the more money you make.Do with less and make more! It all sounds nice on the surface but is a strong reason they are not hiring.

Dear Pat
I agree with you. I think Mr Obama should have to supply a birth
certificate before he can run again. Four years is enough. Lets get
him out of office.

Several states including Texas are seriously looking at requiring any candidate for President to PROVE he meets all Constitutional requirements to become one. Hopefully more will do the same. I actually believe that Oblama doesn’t know himself where he was born – and is afraid to find out. Hopefully this will solve at least part of the problem.

He has every right to occupy the White House until it can be proven differently. Saying he is guilty before you have absolute certainly makes you un-American. Assumptions is not guilt and playing the lynch mob doesn’t help your cause.It seldom works for either side.

I’ve speculated that it has more to do with his paternity than where he was born. His long-form B.C. and WHO is is daddy remain to be seen.

eddie – It was Obama’s duty to PROVE himself elegible BEFORE he ran for office. At the very least, YOUR people should have PROVEN it before putting him forward. Unless there was another plan afoot to deceive the American people. (NO! Duh.)

These things failing, the Right should have forced the issue. (Could they be complicit? Gasp.)

Oh wait. Lots of people tried, since months before the election, and were thwarted at every turn. The evidence piles up, suits are filed, FOIA demands igored or denied, the courts continue to evade and deny the people justice. The media acts to marginalize and silence them/us.

No one batted an eye at pressing McCain, even Bush, to produce records to prove who they were and what they did. YOU people yelled the loudest to elicit such proof. Yet now, with Obama, you either remain silent or defend his secrecy. This is unconscienable, and shows your true colors.

For the first time in our history we have a man holding highest office whose life is riddled with questions and doubt, and we the peole are told we have no standing to know who he is. He is covered and protected by those who are supposed to protect US from people like him attaining office. He is completely changing the structure and scope of his office and, indeed, our whole system. And no one will stand up. Why?

Try being honest with yourself about this for once, eddie. You are either a hopeless true believer, or you are a willing part of the enemy camp. Either way, you and your fellow progressives have sold out your countrymen for the hope of a few pieces of (someone else’s)silver.

No, eddie, it doesn’t make us “unAmerican”. It makes us suspicious.

We are saying that we need to find out – and get rid of him if he really doesn’t meet the requirements for President. You are saying that we should accept whatever he says and continue on because it is wrong to question him.

45 – Was it unAmerican when the Left questioned everything Bush was, said or did?

How come it’s only unAmerican if we question one of theirs. When a R is in office, “…we are Americans, and we have the RIGHT to question or disagree with ANY administration!”

If Obama had nothing to hide, he’d do what every other president has done. He’d produce his records.

Unless the goal is to provoke distrust of government.

We questioned Bush on his war in Iraq. The loss of American lives in a war was an urgent question that needed to be answered. We failed to get an honest answer and the war went forward. Whether Obama is “legal” or not doesn’t affect life and death like it did with Bush’s decision. If the truth comes out and Obama fooled the American people then he would be impeached and/or history would not be kind to him. We know the truth about Bush and you are only speculating about Obama. This has been asked many times and answered many times. We don’t always get the answer we want in life but until it can be proven differently then you are only on a witch hunt.

eddie:

I think you are jumping the gun. The various states are not calling for Oblama to prove he is American now – they are saying that if ANYONE wants there name on the ballot in those states, they have to present evidence of being American to the attorny general of the state. Otherwise they won’t be on the ballot. That does not mean we are after Oblama now. But he may not be able to run for re-election if he doesn’t do it too.

eddie:

You “questioned” Bush’s decision? I sort of remember things like “He LIED to us! We need to try him in court and send him to jail!”

I also seem to remember a lot of people (surely not you) saying “He is the worst President in history.” And that shows a lot of disrespect, I believe.

Now that we sat the same things about Oblama, we are unAmerican. Why is that?

eddie – I was talking about when you questioned Bush’s military service, even to the extent that Rather came up with false documents.

Bush didn’t try to prevent anyone from obtaining whatever documents were available. He didn’t seal any of his records.

Does it not even give you pause that Obama has sealed his entire life from ANY kind of scrutiny? Should someone in his position, or even someone vying for such a position, be able to conceal his entire life history? Should he not have to let everyone know exactly what kind of life he’s led, where he has been, and answer questions about multiple SS#s and foreign student grants? Not to mention showing a VALID birth certificate? And even if he has one, it’s already been established that their are other reasons why he can’t hold the office of POTUS.

Other politicians (usually conservatives) have been raked over the coals and/or destroyed politically because of their past. But if you can’t stand the heat, then you don’t belong in the kitchen.

You say these questions have been answered. Really? Are we supposed to take someone’s word for it without valid documentation, especially when they are being evasive? Because all I’ve heard is ridiculing of anyone who’s asked. All Justice Roberts said was that it had been twittered enough. What? The fact that everyone had speculated loudly on both sides should be enough?

Even Justice Thomas said that the SCOTUS was being evasive on the issue. They know things don’t smell right.

Are you sure eddie47, Obama has every right to occupy the white house until proven guilty? Guilty of what? Not in asking proof of being borne here? He was and is in the shadows on many subjects! Just to per swayed 97% African’s votes. And if you didn’t vote for him, your prejudice. There’s a lot of good African Americans, I would vote for. Problem is, they Love freedom and America.
Your new form, lynch mob, bringing up what we all disliked about people of long ago dead, lynching of Negros. I know God gave them their due justice, in Hell. Is your lynch word an instigation?
What is more un American then Obama running around to nations apologizing for America. He braggged how his mother taught him English , where he was brought up with his family in Kenya.
About dropping the atom bomb on Japan, never mentioned they were warned to leav that citty beforehand. On showing his children and wife where they kept slaves in Africa, never mentioned slavery was pediment in Africa, enslaving the inner tribes by coastal Africa, such as Kenya. WAY BEFORE WHITE MAN CAME THERE.
Obama prayed with Moslem. And will say, AMERICA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION. Who is un American. eddie47???

45:

Please see my post to Bonnie below. Read it, and DO IT!

eddie:

I have to ask: Why is Obama spending soooo much money keeping EVERYTHING obout his life a SECRET?! You OO NOT hide your information, UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING TO HIDE!

Pull your head out and take a look around.

Kate8:

That was so perfectly said nothing can be added. Wonderful Job!

Please see my post below to Bonnie, and DO IT!

Bonnie (and all who are participating here):

We all need to put the heat on Boehner and Issa and demand an immeditate investigation by Issa’s Oversight Committee.

Call the Capital Switchboard at 202-224-3121 and ask for Rep. Issa’s office. Demand an ivestigation by his committee.

Once done there ask for Boehner’s office and make the same demand.

Then ask for your Congressperson’s office and do it again.

Remember the God Father commercials? “DO IT!”
I have.

Old Henry – I HAVE made lots of noise on the issue. Letters, emails…I even pressed the point at a townhall meeting with my Republican Congressman, only to be marginalized.

Are there any who will press ahead on this? I don’t know. There are many on both sides who risk, themselves, being charged with treason for their complicity.

Whether or not this ever gets justice, we cannot give in. As for myself, I will stand up until I’m taken down. There can be no compromise on the Truth.

“Roosevelt took advantage of a crisis in order to push through many progressive idea’s, such as social security,”

yea! and doctors take advantages of broken legs to use splints,tape and bandages!

And, your point is?

Broken legs and broken economies have to be fixed. His comment was precise and to the Point.

The economy was fixed with a war, Eddie.

bob, my sworn enemy (wasn’t it “to the death”?) Again, you fail to follow through with your post, and, of course your friend eddie dutifully chimes in with his lock step comments. But, I digress. Do you understand Roosevelt’s New Deal? BTW, so many great things come from Chicago, don’t ya think? The point is that Roosevelt’s “New Deal” was much more than just implementation of socialistic ideas such as Social Security. It included other “reforms” to the banking industry, a new stock market regulatory agency, moves to boost wages and prices and the creation of public works projects. All designed to “fix” the economy that had suffered to a stock market “bubble” and exaserbated by a trade war. So, what part did you miss? This administration has socialized medicine, placed tons of new regulation on banking and the stock market, tried desparately to raise minimum wage and fix prices. Ever hear of “shovel ready” jobs? Read that as public works projects. Again, bob, what did you miss? Roosevelt-Obama, Obama-Roosevelt…sounds the same to me.

Social Security could just as easily designed as private accounts with forced contributions. Yet, they chose to go the socialistic path. Do your children get the money if you die before you can collect? No, the big benevolent government just absorbes it. Just as it has absorbed any social security surpluses over the past forty years or so. Now it’s about to go insolvent just like the federal government itself which Obama, Pelosi and company did all they could to bankrupt. Now the printing presses are rolling off money and we wait for the chickens to come home to roost.

Thisa is all well and good. If he has no right to occupy the office of president, why are the American people doing nothing about it? We all grumble about it yet no action is being taken…Why is that do you suppose?

Frank there are a lot of people trying to expose Obama as a fraud. Judges will not listen to the facts of the case and there is an extremely good case against him. The States are representatives of the people with Washington. They should vet the president to get on the ballot in 2012. We have a very serious problem with corruption in America concerning Obama. Federal records are disappearing concerning his mothers passport at the time of his birth and most others will not be released. Maybe his most damaging record would be place of birth and citizenship on his school records. The press has done a good job of covering it up. He has produced a short form birth certificate on the internet which in itself is proof he was not born in Hawaii as the short is for those claiming a residence but someone not born there.

Uncle Pat:

Bravo! After reading Jeremy’s comment I was going to give him the same education you gave him. You nailed it right on the head.

No one spends a reported two million dollars hiding all his information, unless there is something to hide.

If the Republican “leadership” in the House had any gonads they would be investigating the eligibility issue right now.

Here is a tea party slogan for the 2012 presidential campaign : “Mr. President, show us your papers!” We have got to harp, harp, harp on this. The last time around the media successfully swept under the rug the fact that he has an ongoing active legal project to prevent the voters from forming any idea of what he really believes and from where he actually came. We need “Mr. President, show us your papers!” billboards in every community. We need “Mr. President, show us your papers!” tele-a-thons. We need fifteen second “Mr. President, show us your papers!” spots on tv every fifteen minutes. We need “Mr. President, show us your papers!” in the media until every liberal pukes when anyone says Obama.

Very well put Uncle Pat, just a couple of things you missed. The reason there’s a term limit on presidency is because so much power became concentrated in the executive office under FDR that Congress pushed through a term limit law. You do remember that there is supposed to be balance thanks to the three branches of government, right? Well Obama is trying to do the same thing-concentrate more power in the executive office. Why do you think we’re looking at carbon emissions regulation under the EPA? Because cap and trade didn’t get through Congress so Obama pushed the EPA to do the same thing through regulations. Why do you think, if the FCC manages to enact their regulations, you’ll see websites disappear from the internet? Because Obama couldn’t push control of the internet (although he hasn’t quit trying) through Congress, so now he’s pushing the FCC for “net neutrality” regulations. And expect the sites that get clamped down on to be conservative websites just like Obama is fighting conservative talk radio and Fox News. The other thing you need to remember is -Who actually financially backs Obama? Ok so the Democrats were stupid enough to put him up for election, but he didn’t get that far on their backing. He got this far by George Soros’s backing and the backing of labor union bosses and socialist/Marxist groups. If you don’t believe that, look it up. As far as the birth certificate, the new governor of Hawaii was going to make sure we all were aware there was one. Funny thing, he couldn’t find a record of it either! My son told me there was one that appeared online months ago, but from his description it was one anyone could have made up by keying information into a form online. It wasn’t a certified state birth certificate. I know what those look like, I have three kids born in two different states, in two different counties, in three different cities. Am I an Obama backer-not from day one. To me it’s very obvious when you watch him, he spews out nothing when he delivers speeches but lies. How can you tell? Everything he says is in general terms, he never even gives a direct answer when he’s asked a question. And any idiot who believed what he said about Obamacare, well I think I just described them-IDIOT! I’m a cost accountant, so I know a lot about costs involved in business. You can’t have the government tell you what you can charge if you’re an insurance company, but let them force you to take ANYONE on as a customer and demand that you pay without limits on what you pay out annually or over a lifetime. What is the end result of that? Government takeover of healthcare. Yes, I know they raised he** about not putting a public option in the law, but they don’t need that. With conditions like are in the law now they will run all private insurers out of business! If you haven’t signed onto a repeal Obamacare petition by now, if you really want healthcare in the future you’d better get signed on or call, fax, or email your Senators and make them well aware that if they don’t kill that bill you will be glad to campaign for whoever runs against them when they come up for reelection! I know I made mine very aware that I will not stop fighting until that stupid garbage of a law is dead, and they’re both Republicans. Of course other states’ Senators have heard from me too. By now, unless they’re one of the new members in the House, there’s probably not a member of Congress who will take an email from a person outside of their home state that hasn’t gotten at least a couple of emails or phone calls or both from me regarding Obama’s garbage legislation.

Hi Penny. When I See The American Flag, I see Freedom. I see Unity In The Ideals That Inclusiveness Amounting To Strength

And yes, America will rise again.

You reminded me of a book I read. But I’ll leave that for another day. I’m one of those who believe that the integrity of the office of the president must be upheld, thus respecting whoever the President is.

I find it ironic that some people seem to have us all believe that, all was well in the U. S. of A until Husein Obama came to office. Such tricks can be played on dimwits, sparing most of us who will resist and prove our intellectual competency. And so goes the debate about Obama’s birth.

I’m not in agreement of so many things Obama did. But I’m so glad I’m an independent. And I must say he tried to fix what was broken and neglected. There was a publication recently about a research on how the brains of conservatives are wired. If that is true, that will give me worry about conservatives.

Excessive deregulation led to greed on Wall Street, and thereby bringing down the whole economy. And we all know that. You cannot tell me with honesty that not bailing out G.M. and Chrysler, would have lead to catastrophy.

Now, everything is, “look in the Constitution, our founding father did not make it that way”. That constitution was not perfect so it was amended time and time again to accommodate for the realities of time.

None of us are fool. We know what this Personal Liberty publication represents. Who knows, some people claiming to represent ordinary Americans on this pages here are one of the same people who publish this news. Just look up at the contributors and see. So, what I’m I saying? What I’m saying is, I don’t believe that all of you here are ordinary Americans struggling to eke out a living. Some of you could be dirty oil and insurance company cronies and operatives. Maybe you are in blood dirty Middle East oil even. How are we to tell?

Ron Paul was right at least on this one; which is, some of you on both sides want the wars to go on. So we can continue to borrow money from China to pay for it. Some of you see lessening defense spending as disarming of America. some of you think signing the START Treaty amounts to American weakness. Some of you believe our congressmen saying “NO” to everything will benefit our growth.

So just last week, I saw one of those who have outlived his usefulness to Congress leave, and I couldn’t be more happier.

Just in 2008, the war in Iraq cost $3 trillion. what will it be today. We seem to justify such costs and question (however incomplete it may be) health care. And I smell you the insurance and other fringe special interest groups here telling us to look up while you steal our dough whilst implicating Barack Husein Obama.

I for one, I trust in the wisdom and the intelligence of the American people. This President may not be great, but Americas elected him. Remember, we did have Presidents before him. Need I say more?

Newspooner:

Do not forget that FDR affectionately referred to Stalin as “Uncle Joe”.

My parents absolutely despised FDR, butr could not vote until 1940 and 1944.

It seems that then, as now, too many of the electorate had their heads up their arses.

You are correct. In fact, I believe that well over 50% of all new tech in the last fifty years has come from our space program.

I actually agree with you although NASA is a government agency and you all want the government slashed. Some of you wish too hard.

NASA is the ONLY agency that has managed to pay for itself. And it is the ONLY one that I’m willing to keep around just for that reason.

Eddie, NASA the one government agency that was worth its weight in gold and technology and he outsources. Obama claims he wants to lead the world in technology so we know that is just a bunch of crap. Then Obama expands government 25% with czars and other useless people that will produce absolutely nothing.

I dont know Bruce. Personally im a little skeptical of stoping space flights other than robotic ones. Honestly you got me there. The best I can think is with all luck cutting funding to space programs may provide funds for other issues we face.

Jeremy Leochner,
You can’t be serious, without NASA, we would have never had Tang. And now, because of Obama’s policies, the Chinese have Tang. But theirs is not a beverage, it’s the name of one of their astronauts!

But seriously though, the link below is relevant to your earlier inquiry as to the similarities between Obama and FDR, written by Thomas Sowell.

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2010/11/02/guess_who/page/full/#

In addition to Mr. Sowell’s comments it’s helpful to know that FDR presided over the longest economic depression (so far) in U.S. history. Some accounts suggest That FDR allowed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor in order to overcome prevailing American isolationist tendancies prior to the attack. It is WW11 that ended the Great Depression and not FDR’s Keynesian economics.

We can only hope that Obama doesn’t have in mind a Pearl Harbor type remedy to our current economic dilemma.

I found your post to be very interesting Serf.

Serf,
Great comment! I thought mine was good until I read yours. Delighted to see there are clear thinking observers out there.

Serf: When the Great Depression started Hoover was president, not FDR. They tried the same policy as in 1921 in 1930. It didn’t work. The 1921 recession was a fairly normal post-war downturn as the economy went from “guns to butter”. The 1929-1932 downturn was clearly a different animal.

I’m glad someone knows what the hell is going on, have love for human life and stop hating, HATER’s!

d’Qn: WHY is ANY disagreement with left/liberal ALWAYS commented as either racist, hater, bigot etc? YOU want to express your views, believe in your ideals, but others are labeled. It would be really refreshing if you folks could produce (not invent) facts to support your views……oh, sorry….that’s the problem isn’t it….you have no real evidence only invented stuff so you resort to name calling. Fear not my liberals, for I will pray for you, even though you don’t want God in YOUR life.

outspoken,
watch it! dee Queen might sue you for FORCING religion on her!!!! Thankfully the Lord has blessed me with a long fuse!!!!

You seem to be just another troll.

ceberw,
Yes, Hoover got it started, no argument there. However, he was a Big Government “Republican” (sound familiar?) and he wreaked his havoc by abandoning Coolidge’s fiscal conservatism and dramatically increasing spending. As things deteriorated, he INCREASED taxes and tariffs, with the Smoot-Hawley horror in particular being instrumental in throwing us completely over the cliff. The “Keynesian” 1930 approach was basically the polar OPPOSITE of the 1921 approach with the glaring results to show for it. When FDR inherited the mess he magnified every single one of Hoover’s mistakes many times over and added countless new ones, hence the Lost Decade instead of a lost year or 2. “Lost” in history (by state media) is the inconvenient fact that the 1937-38 collapse was far sharper than 1929 or 1931-32 but is hidden from today’s generation because there is no one else but FDR and his policies who can credibly have blame shifted upon them for it.

AMEN!

Sure there is oil in the USA but the easy surface oil is not as plentiful. What is left is dirtier and much more expensive to get at and to refine. We have been kicking this can down the road for 50 years and some of you are still asleep. We need to meet the challenges of tomorrow not hang on to past addictions.

Green will only do it on a very limited basis. Green technology is way beyond my budget, how about yours? Solar panels? you bet, if the sun is shining, which in snow country is doubtful at best. Wind turbines? Only if you don’t like eating any more. Do you have any idea how many acres of farmland have been put out of production for wind turbines????? Like to hunt? there won’t be anymore wildlife to hunt with so many more wind turbines. I guess the deer and elk don’t cozy up to them too much. More hydro dams? Absolutely, if you don’t mind that there won’t be any more fish in the rivers. Green energy should only be considered for LIMITED use.

Eddie, Eddie, Eddie. Your reply to this shows that you know absolutly NOTHING about the oil industry. I have lived around the oil industry all my life, and I’ve worked in many aspects of it. If the Obama administration and the EPA would step back and allow the industry to go forward, we could very safely cut our reliance on foreign oil imports to next to nothing in a very short time. You, and people like you, are like those people who after an accident involving an aircraft scream that it is un-natural for man to fly. You take an accident, which in and of itself is a very rare occurance in the oilfield, and blow it all out of proportion. Then you point to the hype that you created and scream “SEE, SEE. This is what happens when we drill. SEE!”
From my experience, the industry polices itself very effectively. Accidents are rare, but they do happen. Major accidents are even more rare. This was the first major oil field accident sinces the Exon Valdez ran aground. That was what, 20+ years ago?
The oil industry provide jobs to American workers, creates tax revenue, and creates huge profits for the people who were wise enough to invest in the industry. Increasing domestic production would decrease our demand for oil from countries that hate us. Not buying foreign oil would decrease the amount of money these countries can funnel to anti-American terrorist groups. So, Increasing domestic production is good for National Security.
None of these facts can be disputed. So, if you’re against domestic oil production; your either an idiot or an anti-american sympathiser. Which is it? From reading your posts, I suspect both.

Good post Scott. There is nothing draining American wealth more than gas at $3.29 a gallon going upwards to $5.00. All that money going out of the country when it could be spent here. The way the system is set up now Green jobs are outsourced just like everything else so whats the point.

Are you really that stupid, or just playing a part ?

Im no scientist Wanda so I cant make a real compelling argument against you. The only thing I can think is maybe if more funding was available or rather maybe by supporting so called “greener” intiatives maybe studying could be done to fix the issues of solar and electric power. Heck maybe they could find some way to use solar panels to provide electric charge for electric cars and the need for oil wouldn’t be as great. If it in any way calms you Wanda I assure you I am the kind of person who dosen’t focus on rhetoric. I support Obama because I see him as being the best option at this time when it comes to the people who could be in charge. My only loyalty is to the republic. If I could be convinced there is someone who could do better I believe I would have no choice but to support them instead.

I dont know Dan. I support the repeal of Dont ask Dont tell so I believe that was a step in the right direction. Also I enjoy his speechs, I find them very thoughtful and intelligent. That being said I worry sometimes his devotion to compromise may be to much and I believe he is not getting all he promised done. But hey to err is human and President Obama is only human.

Jeremy,
Gee, I guess that means if I read one of his speeches from a teleprompter then you will support ME as well, right??? sorry man, but that HAD to be the dumbest statement I ever heard!!!!

I suppose it was Joe. If it makes any differnece I think the ideas presented in the speechs and the manner in which he gives them are something I enjoy. It is however only part of why I support him. If you read his speechs with the same sort of tone, belief, feeling and expression I might very well enjoy it. Provided you were the president and you had a track record I mostly agree with.

LMAO,LOL,OMG, you drank way too much of the kool-aid……