I agree, Bob; however, it’s nice to hear somthing good once in a while; and I like to beat the drum a little.

I understand Karolyn, me too!

This is a very big deal that’s happening today~ and there are many that would like to see it go bad. Anything is well inside the boundaries of probability as this point. I can’t sing for holding my breath!

bob wire–Yes, this is good but he wants to finish out his term–that is not good. He should leave now. Too much can happen from now until September.

Claire,
An auful lot could happen if a pretender to the throne was to just jump in as well!!

JoeH–You have a good point, sometimes with these countries they have a tendency to replace one bad person with another. I hope this doesn’t happen with Egypt.

Well, you know, Claire, it seems that it might be the best idea to wait for a vote instead of having somebody just jump in and take over. This gives time for campaigning and coming up with suitable candidates.

Karolyn–True, but a lot of other things could happen during this time span.

Well, we just have to wait and see how the announcement is viewed by the country. Listening to the reporting on NPR is great – a lot of viewpoints, not just reporters but regular people. I’m loving the stories of ordinary people, like the lady who said that last week she was throwing trash in the street, and today she’s sweeping trash up in the streets. Reminds me of Woodstock! We can only hope the will of the people is recognized and realized.

Karolyn: Did you go to Woodstock? I didn’t my kids were too little although it intrigued me, and kinda scared me at the same time.

No, I didn’t make it, but I did get to Watkins Glen the following year, which was much like Woodstock. It probably had evern more people than Woodstock but was not recognized as much. I also went to another big festival at Mt. Pocono in PA during that same period. Those were the days!

yea, I missed Woodstock too. but

The boys in the jungle had me ~ on the run.

When something heavy hit me ~ like a atomic bomb

When I woke up and head started to clear

I had a strange feeling I was in cook’in gear.

Meanwhile back in the states

It was Woodstock and free love.

Hate I missed the party but I had prior commitments

with mesquites that could lift a man off the ground.

bob wire–Thank you for your service in the military. Everyone should know by now that I support our troops, wherever they are, whatever the situation, always and forever.

Thanks Claire, but the honor was mine to have.

I just hate I missed the big party and all the free “stuff”.

I had a lot of catching up to do when I got home. But I found home and

people so confusing when I returned.

Bright lights, fast moving cars, people wearing all these weird color cloths and refusing to walk in single file.

It’s truly amazing how the human mind can acclimate to adverse conditions.

It took a few years to really blend back in.

I worry about today’s soldiers and when they come home.

bob wire,
The DR.s say thats the reason we had such a larger number of PTSD cases. The vets from WW2 spent time on a boat and had time to unwind with guys of their own experience where as the vets from RVN were in the jungles today and on city streets tomorrow! Same with all the action since!!

Ironically, the only hope for a peaceful transition lies with the Egyptian military, an organ funded to a great degree and supported by the USA. In the absence of this strong military alliance, Egypt would no doubt go to the dogs (Muslim Brotherhood).

It was ! The author put into words things I’ve been thinking for sometime and didn’t know to say it.

Bob,
Not quite so far reaching when you look at the “whole picture,” not just a big picture. Read my comments below.

I am, I have and I see what you see.

One hell of a nasty way to thin the herd.

45 cal
You got my point.

Oh, I also forgot to add, look into the “natural disasters world wide,” check into the issues of the expanding dessert in China?

Look in to China’s growth rates as far as the growing Middel class.
I just came back from China I have not been there in four years, I can’t begin to explain how much it changed.

What do you all think this will mean for FOOD prices, and where the food stock will go? Let alone Gas Prices?

Also really look into the US dollar’s value and what it will mean when we loose the reserve standard status.

speaking of which, Australia is about to get it’s nose blooded yet again.

Largest cyclone in her history is bearing down on her as we speak. A coming in from the east with 185 miles per hour winds. ~ That’s one powerful storm. I’ve rode out a sustaining 10 hours of 130 mph winds before but this monster is a much larger beast.

Time, I hear what you’re saying, I’ve been following commodities for years, check out wheat and corn.

hmm? ~ cause and effect has been around awhile.

why would anyone refuse to take advantage of a situation.

When you brother falls you reach down to help him up or kick his ribs in.

It’s an opportunity to build a bridge or burn one down.

This has always been so and will continue to be so.

I’ll bet they say the exact same thing about us. The great rationalization for any war: “Get them before they get us.”

“Do unto others before they do unto you.”

Claire – This is the first thread with room to ask you a question about your dog. Is it a German Short Hair Pointer?

Carlucci: I have 8 German Shorthaired Pointers. Six are champions and I have 2 males to finish this year, hopefully.

Tell that to the Muslim Brotherhood.

There is only one argument they seem to understand – strength. If we were to have simply stomped the Iraqi army until we found Saddam and then told the country, “We are leaving. The damage is your problem for allowing someone like Saddam into power. Don’t do it again or we’ll come back and make things even worse for you.” they would simply have put all their ideas of world conquest on a back burner. Even now, if we would say, “If you start a nuclear war, we’re going to finish it by glassing your country,” they would still be quiet and peaceful.

But that isn’t in our government handbook any more. Instead we try to be the “peacemakers” by paying everyone on both sides to be good. And they have learned that.

“But that isn’t in our government handbook any more. Instead we try to be the “peacemakers” by paying everyone on both sides to be good. And they have learned that.”

More Truer words have never been spoken! 45

and our leaders seem to expect peace to just~ break out!

The biggest joke ever played on the American people since aluminum tubes!

Too much carrot and not enough stick.

Vigilant:

On the nuclear fallout: Right now the experts say that if you were to wait – in your house – for three days you would be perfectly safe outside unless you actually tried to live in a nuclear crater. Even Hiroshima didn’t have the fallout that the nuclear scare tactics insist there is. In fact, the military plan if nukes are used are to move into such areas in only a day or so. Of course, they aren’t really that worried about long term affects on our soldiers but they still don’t think there would be too many problems even that quickly.

There goes that word again….experts….HA HA HA HA!T hey say what they are paid to say….

Saddam had an ego but not one of world conquest and Iran has showed no intentions of that either. Both countries seem too want more influence in the Arab world or at least Iraq did before the war. That was more for Arab unity than for taking on the world.

They don’t want to conquere the world to run it; they want to conquere the world for Islam! once that happens they will be perfectly happy in their own country because they believe that everyone will be peaceful since they all believe alike. Just like the liberals here believe if everyone believes their way.

eddie,
Yup Saddam didn’t have a thought of conquest! That’s why he invaded Kuwait, just passing through!!! UMMM UMMM UMMM YES WE CAN!!!!

“Saddam had an ego but not one of world conquest and Iran has showed no intentions of that either. Both countries seem too want more influence in the Arab world or at least Iraq did before the war. That was more for Arab unity than for taking on the world.”

“Arab unity?” You need to get a grasp on reality, eddie. The differences between Shiia and Sunni Islam are vast. Saddam’s gassing murders of the Kurds, and his relentless torture and death chambers for any Iraqi who opposed him are hardly a commercial for “Arab unity.”

The dynamics of cultural differences between Arab factions is partly a key to understanding the instability in the region. Hussein’s government was a Sunni regime, as is Saudi Arabia’s and the probable next government of Egypt (Muslim Brotherhood). Shiites are clearly in the majority in Iran, as are its murderous spawns, Hezbollah. Hamas traces its roots to the Muslim Brotherhood.

The only thing that they agree on is their hatred of Israel. And there’s no doubt in my military mind that Iran’s nefarious designs in creating an Iranian hegemony in the M.E. are to only two ends: the destruction of Israel and the establishment of a base for terrorist operations in the world. And it should be clear overall that the Islamist aim is to make Islam the only religion in the world.

And that, my friend, is called world domination.

“Just like the liberals here believe if everyone believes their way.”

45 with all respect, I’ve found that mindset universal and by no means unique to just liberals. You of all people, are a perfect example.

“On the nuclear fallout”

I would encourage anyone that is truly interested about this topic locate and read “We of Nagasaki”

“Takashi Nagai
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Takashi Nagai (永井隆 Nagai Takashi, February 3, 1908 Matsue – May 1, 1951, Nagasaki) was a physician specializing in radiology, a convert to Roman Catholicism, and a survivor of the atomic bombing of Nagasaki, Japan. His subsequent life of prayer and service earned him the affectionate title “saint of Urakami”.

It’s an old book and I read it long ago; where today bombs have less side effects , I don’t really know. Takashi and his family lived on the other side of the mountain and was shielded from the initial blast and resulting flash. You will find it a very haunting read.

Vigilant,
We can’t stop the rest of the world from going nuclear, and the fanatics scare me as much as they do you, but occupying other countries isn’t exactly going to endear us to our enemies (in the occupied countries or others).
I know we assume that we are the benevolent ones (big assumption) so it’s okay for us to be nuclear. But remember that our country is the only one to have actually used nuclear weapons. So put yourself in the shoes of outsiders. It makes us look like the supreme hypocrites to be telling others they can’t go nuclear.
I would arm our country to the teeth with all the money saved by withdrawing all our troops (everywhere) and be ready to decimate any whacked out countries that would dare attack us.
Otherwise we ought to butt out of their lives.
History has shown that Big Empires that spread themselves too thin eventually perish.

DaveH,

“We can’t stop the rest of the world from going nuclear, and the fanatics scare me as much as they do you, but occupying other countries isn’t exactly going to endear us to our enemies (in the occupied countries or others).”

Well, I don’t know about stopping the rest of the world from going nuclear. Failing to do so seems to be a formula for disaster. Unless the Israelis perfom some surgical strikes on Iranian nuclear facilties (just a matter of time, I’ll wager), the danger of nuclear holocaust in the world will have increased exponentially. That’s not the kind of legacy I want to leave my progeny. With China as the overlord of N. Korea, I doubt there’s much we can do there, but I suspect that China may eventually step in to discipline those freaks.

I agree that we “occupy” too many countries. Western Europe can carry their own load, and there are other areas where our presence is unnecessary. And our “nation building” mistakes in the M.E were poorly conceived and executed. Instead of maintaining a balance of power there, we have both energized the enemy and created an instability that’s coming back to bite us on the backside.

There’s absolutely no mileage to be gained in either Afghanistan or Iraq. If and when we leave, we will have left them worse off than before our meddling. And at what cost? All the bad guys will be in the ascendency and the “normal” folk will continue to be screwed by the fanatics.

But pulling up stakes and coming back to Fortress America has its drawbacks too. While we agree in principle, reality has a nasty way of sticking its nose in. Until and unless we can develop alternate forms of energy, exploit our own domestic resources and press ahead with nuclear power, we will be slaves to foreign oil. The fiercely rabid anti-American sentiment amongst the fanatics who would rule the oil fields would place us in a master-slave relationship not to be savored.

“I know we assume that we are the benevolent ones (big assumption) so it’s okay for us to be nuclear. But remember that our country is the only one to have actually used nuclear weapons. So put yourself in the shoes of outsiders. It makes us look like the supreme hypocrites to be telling others they can’t go nuclear.”

In truth, it is our very benevolence which obligates us to police the rogue nations that have nuclear aspirations. And were it not for that benevolence, the bomb would have been used by us more than one time since the advent of the nuclear age.

Pardon me Dave, because I truly respect your postings, but it seems to me that we have put ourselves in other’s shoes too often. We, as a nation, have not always been lily-white, but I would make no apologies to the world, and thank God that the power rests in a nation better fitted for that responsibility than anyone else.

Good discussion.

Pearl Harbor didn’t happen because we had withdrawn into our own little world. Read this history of events that led up to Pearl Harbor:
http://history-world.org/events_leading_to_the_japanese_a.htm

We are doing something, ~ It’s being discussed today by all US Ambassadors along with their country contacts and the Secretary of State.

All the possible end game scenarios are being gone over.

For now, nothing is smartest and most difficult thing to do.

and Pearl Harbor happened in part, because we were doing something, the US was denying Japan assess to resources they desired.

“and Pearl Harbor happened in part, because we were doing something, the US was denying Japan assess to resources they desired.”

Don’t forget to mention that in denying them access to materials, we were doing the right thing.

Right! My bias was withheld. Anyway, yea, they got their nose out of joint and started pulling on Superman’s Cape and acting all bad.

Gee – Isn’t that a constructive comment!

More like destructive.There are always a few of them.

While DR. Paul is much more ready then Palin, he is still not ready. Break him out in another 5 years and then we’ll discuss it.

Note that I said “Doctors” Paul. His dad has served in govt. for at least 30 years. I’m sure that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Or is it that America’s not ready for Paul yet?

Hmm? well the last Father/Son tag team didn’t go over to well, but Senior had a hard time controlling him when he was a snot nose kid.

But you are right, the Paul caliber is the greater of the two.

Well, I think “Paul” is ready, but the people aren’t”. Bob, what 2 presidents are you talking about, father and son? John Adams and John Q Adams?

H&W

Karolyn, excuse me while I try to stop laughing and it is not at you.
Having recently watched some old Bowery Boys movies, It is i41′s use of the language, and I don’t mean english, that reminds me so much of Slip Mahoney’s command of word meanings. Not exactly a model for the American school system.

OMG! I used to love them! Every Saturday afternoon! Leo Gorcy.

I think Sach/Horace DeBussy Jones was played by Huntz Hall.

K, I found a website called “The Bowery Boys CorporationTuesday, Keeping The Boys Alive in case you’d like to check it out.

Please enjoy this informational page- No copyrighted films are for sale. If you would like a “free” set of all 48 Bowery Boys films on DVD, we can send you a set as a courtesy but we ask that you pay a shipping and handling fee of $ 99.99.
http://boweryboys.com/templates/System/default.asp?id=40004

Jeff, thanks for the link, and Karolyn, you got that right.

Can you say “blood diamond?” Exploitation at its finest.

Do you know what a “blood diamond” is? I don’t think you know. It is a form of torture.

Aren’t they called blood diamonds because they come at the expense of people’s lives?

No.

I bought some gorgeous semi-precious necklaces and bracelets in Nairobi – brown tiger’s eye, rose quartz, lapis lazuli, and malachite – all so much cheaper than what I would have paid here in America. I also found little stone animals and eggs in the same semi-precious stones. One malachite egg is as big as my hand. My home is full of things like this that give me wonderful memories.

Carlucci—Sounds wonderful.

Raggs, China is buying up most of Africa for the mineral rights, they already have most of it.

Raggs
Thats why we are in Afghanistan The minerals!

the real reason why they wear veils and burkas…

You must not be looking very closely. I have seen many beautiful Arab women, especially in Afhganistan.

my too!, but they are kinda hairy has been my experience.

Women amaze me with all their many qualities of beauty !

Actually, depilatories like NAIR are the best selling cosmetics in the middle east. Henna and kohl are second and third.

And I have also seen some absolutely gorgeous Arabs – both men and women. Some of the best looking Arabs come from Lebanon.

Omar Shariff – Egyptian. He was a beautiful specimen in his day.

Oh, mny heart! Makes me think of Dr. Zhivago, one of my all-time favorite movies!

libertytrain—Ahhh, talk about a man that is/was the epitome of handsomeness. Gads, he was gorgeous in his heyday. He made my heart pound a little! lol

Karolyn– I loved that movie too and I was so upset that he died at the end!! Arrrghhh

Karolyn a good book to read if you liked that story by Pasternak is the book, “A Captive of Time,” by Olga Ivinskaya – Pasternak’s mistress – I read it decades ago and just rebought it to read again.

Carlucci–I will have to agree with you on your comments. WE have some here in town, and they are beautiful.

Yep, he was beautiful. Still not an eyesore to look at today.

libertytrain– I honestly did not know if he was still alive. I haven’t seen a picture of him in years.

I’ll show you later

libertytrain–Okay.

Something else I would like to add–a young woman started working at our office about 5-6 years ago. She is half black, half white and she is beautiful. I kid you not, she is lovely. She put herself through college, and she is a hard worker. I do have a lot of respect for her, she is truly a nice person. She has a lot of class.

I met up with a pretty little Egyptian darling in Sidney back in 70. ~ Her skin with almost a fine in texture as a Irish red head that was alabaster white and she was covered with a fine soft fuzz as black a coal.

I found it necessary as a American GI to thoroughly investigate her and her deep brown bedroom eyes. For love country of course.

Airborne ranger qualified, I’m gonna run in the woods and hide.

The most beautiful woman I’ve ever seen was from that area. She – like most of the more beautiful “Arab” women – was Persian, not Arab. Egypt, Saudi, Palestine, etc. are Arab – not Persian. Iran and Pakistan are the original Persian area.

The Mid-East, like Madagascar and South East Asia, was where all the worst of the world went when the bad ones were run out of everywhere else. That’s where the pirates settled. That’s where the murderers, etc. went for safety. And as a result, those areas still tend to consider crime a valid occupation even today. Unfortunately, they also have a lot of really ugly people due to that as well.

After re-reading what I just posted, what I’m trying to say is that the Persians – and most other people’s of the world – are of one race (breed). The Arabs are mongrels.

45caliber,
Some of the most beautiful women in Viet Nam were those with a little French blood in them as well.

Sorry to say this, but that’s the most ignorant comment I’ve ever seen you make. And ENTIRELY wrong.

That is what I have heard, so don’t call me ignorant! Do you think I made it up? I would assume that they are considered moderate as compared with something like al quaeda. There are differing opinions on them.

Only the apologists on sites like the Huffington Post find any reason to describe them as “moderate.” History is history. Hamas traces its roots to the brotherhood, and the assassination of Anwar Sadat was orchestrated by them. They want to impose Sharia Law on any country that comes under its power.

As I said before, ElBaradei is nothing more than a tool of the brotherhood, a man who failed to hold Iran accountable to UN sanctions and who defended Iran’s nuclear program.

The Egyptian Army, thankfully beholden to the US for aid and support, is the one faction holding the cards right now. One may have cause to retract blanket statements of withholding foreign aid to the Middle East if it turns out the interests of peace in Egypt will have been best served by our support of the military.

Karolyn,
If they advocate non-violence then why did they threaten to tear up the israeli peace accord??? doesn’t sound to peaceful to me!! Israel and Egypt have gotten along fairly well since its signing!!

Government leaders rarely put the interests of their citizens in front of their own special interests.

Thank you Eddie. I really didn’t feel like posting again what I thought was already apparent in my post.

Most US foreign aid comes with a caveat that it can only be spent on our Military Industrial Complex.

Actually, most of the foreign aid is supposed to be used to buy food products – from us. Military is second.

eddie:

Where did all the foreign aid go?

The same place it goes in most countries we give it to – the dictator/President’s private bank account in some place like Switzerland. It is our government’s attempt to “buy” friendship but still leave us a way out if that dictator goes down. (“We were giving it to your country – not him. He just took advantage of it.”)

Lockheed Martin sent $3.8 billion worth of equipment to Egypt last year. Boeing $1.7 Bil. of military hardware. General Dynamics $2.5 Bil. General Electric $2 Bil. Not sure why we are arming them. Reagan armed Iraq to the teeth and look where that got us. What an endless pit.

eddie,
Reagan may have armed them, but if they don’t have the cahones to fight all the conventional arms in the world won’t help them!!

Eddie
You forgot the bail outs that germany has been giving to keep the EU afloat and now that the money has been cut off the chineese are now taking up the slack.Thats the problem we all are heading for the same thing hence NWO.

Eddie47d, nice try. But no dice. Your defense of Karolyn in incorrect. For Karolyn did not express the thought in print, that you claimed. If you read her futher comments, written since my comment to her. Her weak and improbable stance have since been cemented further with her further writings. I suggest Eddie47d, that you spend about ten minutes going through this thread, and reading Karolyn’s comments. Then if your a man of integrity. You’ll admit your mistake and go on. But I doubt either of those positions exist in your spere.

That’s so true, but oil interest support can fit nicely. Never under estimate the need for good support. It’s often a make or break situation. Fat boys must take the long way home.

Karolyn,

The Brotherhood is behind all of this with out question, look over the areas within that region and note that its nearly all in chaos. I in no way give Mubarak a pass, but then ask yourself who set him up in power?
And a better question is why they set him up in power?

I would ask, Time, what are you getting at? What Brotherhood are you talking about? Why do you have to read anything more into this uprising than people wanting their freedom and more opportunity. The US did not set up Mubarak. He gained control when Sadat was killed. Yes, we all know he is backed by the US….And?

Karolyn: They are talking about the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, apparently they are huge in numbers.

Actually, Claire, I just heard the group being talked about on the radio. Apparently, they are a moderate group that does not advocate violence and is big into doing good works. They want a total change in Egyptian government.

Karolyn–From what I have heard they do not advocate violence. It will certianly be interesting when all of this comes into play. I remember Sadat and Begin coming to terms with one another. It was a good thing.

“certainly”

“Brotherhood is behind all of this with out question,” well? I wouldn’t think it would be the Cairo 1St Baptist church or Al Quada, they are not armed!

karolyn
The government, for its part, has warned that it still considers the Brotherhood a source of violent extremism. It imprisoned several hundred Brotherhood activists in 2010, including the No. 2 leader elected in December. State-run television broadcasted a 30-day serial about the Muslim Brotherhood during Ramadan, which portrayed the group’s origins as a religious militia that terrorized Egyptian citizens and politicians alike.

Karolyn you do understand when Muslims talk about freedom they are talking about freedom for men, not for woman.

Muslim women–If I were a muslim, I would probably be dead by now. There is no way they would allow me to live, I would be stoned, beaten, whatever. No doubt I represent everything they do not want for their female counterparts. Burkas, forget that crap. Long robes, no way. Keep my mouth shut? Never. Use myself as a suicide bomber? They can go straight to h—.

Claire
The koran says.
Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.

Quran 4:34, “Women,” Dawood, p. 83

Take off the green-colored glasses, Karolyn. If you want their money, do something for them to earn it from them.
We indeed have a problem with some Rich people — the Crony Capitalists. But we should address that disease properly, not by attacking the Rich who earned their money the honest way. And we don’t address the Crony Capitalist disease by letting Government get even bigger. Politicians can aid their favored Capitalists with special regulations that sometimes directly aid them financially, and sometimes indirectly aid them by stifling their competition.
The Government meddling in the Marketplace has created these unfair distortions, and we play right into their hands by letting them create their “reforms”.
If you truly want a “level” playing field, Karolyn, then you need to work with us to get the Government out of the Marketplace, so that any ordinary people, with the drive to excel, can succeed unfettered by the complicated, unproductive rules of Big Government.

Dave – Egypt is a rich country controlled by a few that keep the people down. Simple!

No doubt to that, Karolyn. I misread your post. I thought you were talking about the Rich in general.

Well Dave, It’s hard to tell the difference anymore. The wealthy in every country take advantage of everyone below them. Most can’t be helped since we all have to buy products but it always seems like a shakedown.

“Egypt is a rich country controlled by a few that keep the people down. ” sounds like Louisiana!

You could be producing and selling products like millions of honest small business owners Eddie47d. You do not have to promote yourself as a victim all the time. I do not hear you say much about the Union shakedown that helped pass Obamacare and then asked for and got an exemption from it. If you want equality Eddie should we all not be able to get exemptions. What about getting rid of laws where people like Congress and Unions can be exempted from them.

Karolyn you do realize that when Muslims talk about freedom they mean for’men’.

Eddie, you do realize that without American businessmen you would be no better off than the people of Mexico fleeing their country looking for people with businesses to hire them. You should also realize that if Mexico still owned Arizona Mexicans would be leaving that state looking for work. Also if Obama and the left do not become more business friendly we will all be looking for work.

Karolyn, take a hint from RivahMitch’s posting below. THAT’S what it’s all about and THAT’S what is going to happen in Egypt.

Karolyn,

Good God! The French Revolution? That was an abject failure, replacing a tyrannous monarchy with a tyrannous “republic.”

Vigilant – Good grief! Did you not understand my analogy? It had nothing to do with the results of the revolution but the reasons for the revolution.

Then you might have been so kind as to mention that in your post…..

Wow,Someone used that sacred word Republic in a negative way.You’ll upset the hoards but they will know what I mean.

Get smart eddie, although I’m sure you never heard of the Peoples’ Republic of China or the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Negative use of the woed “republic” offends no one but you and your ilk.

I was speaking of Dave H. with all his socialist comparisons and his defending Republics. Never a word from him about the “other” republics. I actually agreed with your earlier comment.

eddie, my apologies.

Karolyn:

I’m afraid Egypt – and many other Mid-East areas – may end up like the French Revolution. The people revolted because they thought that things were so bad it couldn’t get worse. Then they got a new government promicing “Change” and “Tax the rich” (it seems I’ve heard those terms lately somewhere) and found out they were wrong. Things COULD (and did) get worse.

my biggest concern at the moment as well. After 30 years this Dude thinks he’s god.

It’s very difficult to go from god to dog chow in just a few days.

Karolyn,

A nobel prize has no value anylonger and has not for years as its been given to so many Con Artist and Progressives who have a striking likeness to Adolf Hitler.
Yet oddly if Hitler were still alive I am sure he would be given many nobel awards for PEACE and Science.

Afterall, all science used in modern med’s was all started during his time in power, wow and to think. Even Cloning, and if it were not for old Adolf we may just be getting started with Jet airplanes now.

Wake up, please! ElBaradai is a willing tool of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, the man who continually frustrated investigations into the Iranian nuclear program.

Nobel Peace Prize winner? You’re kidding, of course. Arafat and Obama also won the prize…that should give you some indication of the legitimacy of that accolade.

And didn’t Al Gore win the Nobel, too, for “global warming”? LOL –
the joke’s on him. Look at the record cold temps and snowfall right now. The news this morning said we may get snow here on Friday – I’m in S.E. Texas and that hardly ever happens. When it does, the snow usually melts once it hits the ground.

I agree – the Nobel prize is now as meaningless as the Oscars – a bunch of lying, crooked fat cats buying their way into history. Yawn…..

The Nobel prize means nothing to me. I could care less. Decades and decades ago maybe it was reputable, but that was a long time ago. I am more impressed with a Best of Breed win for one of my champions!! lol

Claire, at least they really earned it through hard work. Unless you lobbied the judges with a little graft, like cookies or???? lol.

JeffH—Now, I have never “bribed” the judges, although I have heard many many stories. For example, an exhibitor gave a judge a car, another person slept with a judge, got up the next morning thinking he would give her a Best of Breed win on her dog but the judge dumped her!! Guess she wasn’t any good. lol I am terrible! Whether this is true, I don’t know, maybe I should not have posted this, because they are rumors. There are always the rumor mills, who knows if any of it is true. I like a lot of the older judges, they know what a Shorthair should look like.

“And didn’t Al Gore win the Nobel, too, for “global warming”? LOL –”

wellllllll~? he didn’t claim he discovered gravity!

It is warming! even though it’s 21 degrees in Texas today and this white “Crap” is everywhere! How do you people north of the Red Muddy put up with it beats me!

I have heard reports recently upholding the global warming theory. I just wish I could remember what they said. However, there is a logical explanation for the weather we’re having being because of global warming. Wish I had time to look it up. I am just so swamped and want to know EVERYTHING!!

This morning it sleeted, then by 10:00 it started snowing–a real blizzard. The office closed and I got home okay, and now I know why I like my Jeep. It has been snowing hard all day, with bouts of sleet. We have high winds that make it much worse. It is a mess. Power has gone out in neighboring communities but so far we still have power here at home. The Army and Air Guard have been called out to help stranded motorists on the interstate. It is supposed to be like this all night and through most of tomorrow. I would rather have 2 feet of snow as opposed to sleet.

Karolyn,

Many people have erroneously tried to use the weather as proof or disproof of global warming. For example, when we have a hot year they attribute it to the theory, when we have a cold year or cold winter they furnish that as an argument against it.

In actuality, it can work both ways. Global warming, more accurately called global climate disruption, can very well cause spates of summer cold and/or winter warmth, as well as hotter summers and/or colder winters. The correlation is not hard and fast, for the simple reason that climate and weather are two distinct things.

As far back as elementary school (and I’m 64), I remember a Bell Telephone science movie in which it was clearly stated that the earth was warming. They even showed how the coastal cities like New Orleans, NYC and Washington D.C. would be partially submerged in the future.

Then, as now, no one knew the reason why it was happening. Geologically, we are at the end of one of the several Ice Ages, so that was one theory: that the heatup was normal and would eventually cool off again to cause another Ice Age. Whatever the reason(s), the science is sufficiently inaccurate to prove or disprove it.

I think you know, Al, that the price of fuel will go up because the number of created dollars have gone up. The US still has the dollars to buy the fuel, they are just in the hands of people who didn’t earn them.

DaveH– Gas here is $ 3.30 right now, , we expect it to go higher, of course.

I don’t know your age, Claire, but do you remember how in the 70s the oil companies were blamed for the high prices? They seem to be the Government’s and Federal Reserve’s favorite scape goats. When, in reality, general prices can only go up if the amount of dollars in circulation go up.

DaveH– I am no doubt older than you! Yes, I remember the 70s and the gas prices and I remember everyone (myself included) blaming the oil companies. I was a lot younger and did not know what I realize now.

OMG, Claire. Murphy Oil at WalMart near here is $2.86 today!

It around that here in Texas as well Karolyn . Gee, Claire where do you live? They are really beating you up!

bob wire,
Think! how far are you from the refineries in Houston??? I’m up here in North East Ohio and it’s 3.15 a gallon!! The biggest part of the price is TAX!!! In most states you could knock off over a dollar a gallon if you knocked off the tax!

bob wire–I am in the most corrupt state in the U.S., at least one of them–Illinois.

Dave, Bullhead City AZ. it’s $2.89 a gal., Kingman, it’s $2.99, and Lk. Havasu City it’s over $3.00. maybe $4.00 by May.

Dave, I forgot to add, that they’ll never stop printing money until nobody excepts it, which is coming.

Artificial scarcity

“Gasoline ration stamps printed by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing in 1974Government price controls further exacerbated the crisis in the United States,[24] which limited the price of “old oil” (that already discovered) while allowing newly discovered oil to be sold at a higher price, resulting in a withdrawal of old oil from the market and the creation of artificial scarcity. The rule also discouraged alternative energies or more efficient fuels or technologies from being developed.[24] The rule had been intended to promote oil exploration.[27] This scarcity was dealt with by rationing of gasoline (which occurred in many countries), with motorists facing long lines at gas stations beginning in summer 1972 and increasing by summer 1973.[24]“

“Crude oil prices behave much as any other commodity with wide price swings in times of shortage or oversupply. The crude oil price cycle may extend over several years responding to changes in demand as well as OPEC and non-OPEC supply.”

Yom Kippur War – Arab Oil Embargo

In 1972, the price of crude oil was about $3.00 per barrel. By the end of 1974, the price of oil had quadrupled to over $12.00. The Yom Kippur War started with an attack on Israel by Syria and Egypt on October 5, 1973. The United States and many countries in the western world showed support for Israel. Because of this support, several Arab exporting nations and Iran imposed an embargo on the countries supporting Israel. While these nations curtailed production by 5 million barrels per day other countries were able to increase production by a million barrels. The net loss of 4 million barrels per day extended through March of 1974 and represented 7 percent of the free world production.

Any doubt the ability to control crude oil prices had passed from the United States to OPEC was removed during the Arab Oil Embargo. The extreme sensitivity of prices to supply shortages became all too apparent when prices increased 400 percent in six short months.

From 1974 to 1978, the world crude oil price was relatively flat ranging from $12.21 per barrel to $13.55 per barrel. When adjusted for inflation world oil prices were in a period of moderate decline

I wouldn’t. I would let them duke it out. May the best man win.
The smartest thing we could do is bring our troops home, perhaps stationing some of them at the border to stem the flow of illegals.
Then shrink our Leviathan Government to at least half its current size, bringing back Constitutional compliance. And Free up our markets from the expensive meddling of Big Brother.
Our resulting prosperity and freedom would shine like a beacon to the rest of the world, and we would lead by example, not by force.

Way to go, Dave! That is one of the most appropriate responses I have read today Thank you.

Further to that (awesome) thought DaveH, we should also stop paying Egypt to be our friend. Them and anyone else out there who is being supprted by Mr. and Mrs. American taxpayer.
I don’t know if you realize this or remember it, but Egypt is being paid the same amount that goes to support Israel every year as a result of the Camp David Peace Accord. For this money we get a Muslim nation that pretends to be our friend and a Jewish nation that should be sinking or swimming on its own by now.

First America would confiscate all the military equipment we sold them whether by diplomacy or by force.The contracts for that equipment were made with Mubaraks govenment not the one that will take its place.Secondly,withdraw all aid to Egypt.Thirdly mine the Suez canal so only we know how to get through it.# 4.State publicly that we will not trade with a Caliphate,and take steps to create a law barring trade from US companies with a Caliphate.Lastly but Importantly,publicly state that the nation of israel is not to be trifled with by a Caliphate,or it will bring conditions of total war upon sucha Caliphate.There you have it…my solution

Step 6.Invade Somalia,and Yemen,and install puppet governments.What is the use of holding a hammer and not using it.

Numbero siete.Somalian pirates are not the only ones that can hold tankers hostage….who can stop our Navy?

8.Naval blockade the persian gulf,capture and confiscate all tankers and sail them to US ports.No ships no shipping.

9.Begin to build a new batch of nuclear submarines and design new ones,that can be built quickly and efficiently.

10. begin drilling in ANWAR,and use conficated ships to supply the Chines with fuel for their economy.

Much of what you’ve suggested is Piracy and Imperialism.
As a Libertarian I condone neither.

However you want to look at it, this is “BIG DOINGS” ~it’s an attempt of a Arab nation to come into the 21st century by their own shear will.

The future of the world, weighs in the balance of what happens there.

My hopes are with these people and their self determination.

So….. foriegner who want self-determination and a government to let them live free is good….. but tea-partyers who fight for self-determination and want their government to leave them alone bad. got it

Patriot1776____DEAD ON!!!!!

So you feel that equaling tea party and the suffrage of the Egyptian people somehow as being common and equal or such as your posting seems to suggest?

Well Sir, regardless what you thought about the 2008 election returns, the difference in winning or losing was in the single digits and not 92 to 8 %.

And the American people are not being subjected to a dictatorship in spite of your displeasure in the winner and all the howling that has taken place with a GOP upset.

You simple lost a democratic election held and precipitated in by a democracy.

I think the soft life has perhaps dulled your senses to such matters.

The Tea Party is to be only a small footnote in American history as today, reality is just starting to take it’s full effect.

These junior congressmen have years to go before they enjoy leadership roles, if they can survive that long. Some will, but many won’t.

If you expect quick change, amass such a crowd of non violent people as we see gathered in Cairo Egypt this day.

The Tea Party would be very luck to muster 18,000 people at one time and then some of them would be wearing their guns and all hell would break loose. That would mark the end of your Tea Party.

There is another reason Mubarak must go for he totally shut down the Internet. The Egyptian voice was stifled so he must not understand what freedom of speech means. His replacement might not get it either so that is a place where we could encourage it’s people.

eddie,
but it’s OK for your hero Nobama to want a internet “kill” switch??? Hypocrite!!

Right On JoeH!

Bob Wire your figures on what the Tea Party can put together at one time has already been proven to be off by 500,000 people.

Okay Bruce, I concede, I found a single event with 70,000 ~ so where and when did this 500,000 attendance take place?

That’s a lot but it not enough I fear, and ram though the change you wish.

Here is a 9/12 event in 2009 Bob. “This compares very favorably to our prior analysis of the April 15 Tax Day Tea Party crowds, which the news media largely ignored or denigrated despite an estimated national turnout of 600,000 – 800,000+.”
Glen Beck can also pull in 500,000 people made up of mostly Tea party individuals.

Bob, what do you think about this idea. If I was a leader of a poor country and received 1.5 to 2 billion a year the first thing I would do is expand the agricutural programs in schools and create business incentives to grow fruit trees and other forms of food that can grow in the dessert. In a poor country anyone with any land should have some form of food growing and government should be encouraging that by importing the technology, trees, and vegitation to do that in dry or dessert area.

Bob Wire…I suggest to you that for every Tea party activist able to be present at any given event that there are at least 10 more that weren’t there.

Political parties use the same demographic to estimate the number of votes they might recieve. Each party member = 10 votes.

JC,
I would say you are about 100% right! I could not attend any of the TEA party events in DC but Had I been able, I would have. I have, however been pushing for them in my local area! I don’t think they have a space in DC that could hold all who identify with the TEA PARTY!!

Joe; I believe the “kill switch” was to prevent other Nations or hackers to get into unwarranted information. These other Nations could shut us down in the blink of any eye. If the free flow of ideas is trampled on then I will hit the streets. So stop making up stories

I lived in the Middle East for several years. For the most part, these people do not think like we do. The ones who do don’t live there. You will usually find Arabs with a western mentality in Europe or America.

There is so much anti-American sentiment overseas right now that we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t help them. Don’t forget that Hosni Mubarak is yet another “plant” from our own Fedzilla. Here’s some good insight from Lew Rockwell on the situation:

https://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=en&shva=1#search/Lew+Rockwell/12dda65321000c87

We aren’t the world’s nanny – in spite of the fact that some of the idiots in Fedzilla think we are. We need to follow the Ron Paul mantra – get out of there, leave them alone, and let them figure it out themselves. It is non of our business.

I couldn’t agree with you more,~ if it wasn’t for the Suez Canal and American interest presently enjoying highest priority status, perhaps we could.

This small piece of world realstate is economically and militarily vital to just about every country in the world. The Suez is cutting a shipping voyage down as much as 1800 miles.

It’s truly sad that in a 30 year reign of Mubarek, he couldn’t reach out to the average man and women he Lorded over. Where the “people” might wish to commission a bronze statue of his likeness.

I doubt very seriously that he was tight for the cash.

He has done what exactly what men of power and position do! Exploit his position simple because he could and offer calloused indifference to the working class that served him. In his benevolence, throwing them an occasional bone to keep them occupied with fighting among themselves for discarded scraps.

Well? evidently Mubarek, failed to throw enough bones while allowing them enough liberty to communicate. For today, he is finding a whole bunch of them at his door step asking for his departure.

Their message is simple and clear and they ask for no promise, They want him to un-ass the area sooner then later.

bob wire,
Perhaps if we would drill here and use it here, like some of us have been saying, the Suez wouldn’t have as much importance!!

Right Joe ! I’d like to see more for sure!

So far, they have drilled under my house! We have a lot of natural gas drilling going on in central Texas today. It’s been an explosion in drilling activity, all a part of the Barrnet Shell formation.

My first check was a little over $1,100.00, that was over a year ago. ~ I’ve not received any royalty payment yet. ~ Some wells produce better then others. I really don’t know for sure where I stand with it today.

If you never hear for me again, just figure my house blew up or I got so wealth I moved to the tropics.

But yes, drill we must to span the time when a new generation of fuels are introduced. I figure 50 to 75 years from now.

bob wire,
I have a freind that had the drillers come to him and ask if they could drill on his farm and they would pay him for the permission and royalties if it produced. well they found gas but they were going to cap the smaller of two wells and only develope the other. He told them to run pipe to his shed and then after a regulator, ran lines to the house. He uses a nat. gas powered tractor, uses the gas in his house and has a natural gas generator to run his electric. He doesn’t pay a single bill for utilities except for upkeep of his equipment. He’s happy, the drillers are happy and the utilities are screaming!!!

Okay Mr Macho Dagney ,How much war do you want? You’re as ridiculous as Ben Crystal in beating the drums of insanity. You two are a prime example of how wars start. Too much grandstanding and little knowledge about the situation. Unless Obama was willing to unleash an invasion with Iran then all he could do was give the Iranian people encouragement.Anything else is foolish and dangerous. The same can be said about Egypt so how much foreign entanglement do you want? It’s also odd that Reagan was brought up;for he is the one who sent troops to Lebanon and then cut and ran. Maybe we could blame all this destabilization on him. That wouldn’t be any different than Ben blaming everything on Obama.

Eddie,

You are partly correct in saying that we can trace it back to Regan. When we pulled out after the Marine Barracks were blown up, it showed the terrorist that we could be cowed and made to leave. Should we have stayed and risked more American Lives, Should we have been there in the first place. I do not know as I do not have all of the information that lead the US Military to be there in the first place.

But, we do not have to use massive military force. We should go back to the policy of targeted elimination of those who are inciting the violence and publicly back those that are for peace and that are for true democracy for their countries.

Obama missed his opportunity to back those wanting freedom in Iran. If those who risked their lives in Iran had more backing, we may not be in the current situation.

why stop with Reagan, ~ Carter made a much greater impact in the region.

Oh! that’s right ! Carter was a nothing president, ~ I keep forgetting.

Are you kidding? The situation has nothing to with what administration is in power in the White House. Many here complain about the left blaming everything on Bush… Please don’t fall into the same type of delusion that everything is Obama’s fault. Fair is fair.

I will not place blame on this administration regardless if it were Democrat or Republican. What is fair is fair. These countries have been at war amongst themselves since the beginning of time. My thoughts are rather like DaveH–let them alone to sort it out for themselves. Why do we always have to be the world’s peacekeeper?

Claire, I’m with you and DaveH on this…time to let the world sort itself out and focus on our own nations survival.

Hey guys
I agree and what needs to be done is reign in billary who started this crap!

A big BS!!!! to you! Do you really think any President would handle this any differently in this day and age? You are seriously deluded. Whether we like it or not, we live in the world, which has grown smaller and smaller, and our prosperity depends more on other countries than you apparently believe.

Karolyn–You may have a point, especially with the last sentence of your post.

Karolyn,
how much prosperity do you think this world is going to have if Iran gets a nuclear warhead and a good delivery system???

JoeH–Good point-

JoeH, that is what concerns me the most. There are a lot of people who think you can just ignore countries that threaten nuclear war like Iran has been with Israel and every think will sort itself out. Not only that the threat of exporting the technology to other countries for a mutual ally and money. It is just a mess that will not likely sort itself out. It will progressively get worse and the world will become more and more dangerous.

I believe just the opposite as you Karolyn. I believe both parties are making other countries rich at our expense. I would like to see import duties that reflect the difference in wages of different countries. Chinese products would cost more but we are in a dwindling spiral the way things are now. I believe with our present policies there is only one direction for us to go in – down.

Bruce D– I will have to agree with you on your post.