That’s a ridiculous assumption. I hate no one, never have, never will. We are all God’s children.

If you are willing to cut back on someone else’s freedom, then you are in line anyway.

and what freedoms might you refer to 45?

Any of them. All of them.

well I know of no freedom that’s been taken from you, I know of no freedom that’s been taken from me. ~I admit that ;

I can’t drive around with a pickup truck load of children like a load of watermelons in the back anymore.

I can’t drive around without insurance anymore.

I suppose I could still mount a rifle rack in my truck like we use too but I don’t think it’s such a good idea. Someone might steal it.

I don’t feel comfortable jumping fences and crossing peoples property to chase down a wounded Buck anymore, like we use to. Can’t shot from the road like we use to.

Don’t feel comfortable offering correction to a unattended misbehaving child anymore.

Don’t feel comfortable in giving a hug to a strangers child anymore.

Can’t carry a gentleman’s folding knife into a courthouse or aboard a plane anymore.

So tell me what freedoms do you miss that I don’t share?

And democrats are not fearful of the military , that is plain down right horse manure. ~ The military was 10% of JFK budget and I’m being told today is stands at 6%. That is what they say anyway. ` So say such foolish things all you want to but it just won’t make them so.

Where in the hell do you get such a notion? Because many of us thought invading Iraq was foolish? Because many of us would like to see across the board cuts in spending? Including the military.

I think the military has their toy box stuffed full “for now” ~ I don’t want to see cuts in pay ~ but a feathering back on the toys. “FOR A WHILE” anyway. ~ I know this will cause problems, but tell me when will it not? ~

When the English defunded their pirates, the pirates elected to strike out on their own as free agents. Much the same might well occur by arms manufactures, they will be left to sell to whoever is buying. Have you thought much about how we might put that mad genie back into the bottle? He only gets bigger and stronger the more we feed him. The military complex and it’s support is quit a monster we’ve made. How do you give such a large child a “Time Out”?

Do you want America to be seen and known as a Waring nation? Like Germany of 39? ~ deserving of all things bold and daring enough to peruse regardless to whom they might belong. Only to find at the height of their conquest, they over extended their reach as they felt deserving and unstoppable.

Few warriors hold a wide view of such things ~ Allied Supreme Commanded material is a rare man to behold and we are damn fortunate to have them.

bob wire
Where does he get it?? Try from Bubba Clinton!! He stripped the military to bare bones, the military hospitals were a disgrace, the units were below TO&E levels and failing inspections!! I don’t know dude WHERE DID HE GET THAT?????

It may not be hate Karolyn but you cannot deny you show disdain in your posts for those who live in the South and Christians. You have taken that direction in many of your posts.

You are out of line and off base Bruce. She offers none of these things that you accuse her of.

Stone:

This blog isn’t about gay rights – it is about Oblamacare. Please stick to the subject.

45, I know what the blog is about. Master Chief brought up the topic of gays and that is why I responded.

What would happen “45″ is the kids would probably starve to death, or commit suicide. I know people like that, I have a friend like that, that can’t dig a hole with a shovel, doesn’t know how, or where to put his foot.

Might those reports be from socialist Rachael Maddox or whatever her name is?

No, it was reports from posters on previous topics.

…wow, now that’s some serious stuff to trust in…

My husband’s and my own supplement has steadily increased twice every year since he has retired. Now we are paying $800 every 2 months. All insurance has increased over time. It will continue to increase because insurance companies know most people will pay for it. With the health issues my husband has, there is no way we can do without a supplement. A person never knows if a serious health issue will pop up. Every time he has gone into the hospital it is $30,000 to $ 40,000, once it was $69,000.00. He had to go into the hospital this past October, for 2 days–the bill was $ 29,000.00. So who is getting richer? The insurance companies, the hospitals, the doctors, the pharmaceutical companies? And then again, what can a person do? They want to live. If the average married couple has not saved roughly $350,000.00 or more apiece for their old age, they are up a creek. If they end up in a nursing home, the cost is $ 3000.00 or more a month. When the money runs out, they go on public aid. And there have been a lot of nursing homes here in Illinois that have gotten in trouble for bad care. Another thing, if you have any material items, cars, home, etc, be sure to sign it over to your kids in plenty of time, because the nursing home will take everything you have when your money runs out.

Now, Jeff, why would they just arbitrarily post that their premiums had gone up if they hadn’t?

bob wire,
I find it hilarious how you say it was the republicans that were out of step when 80% of the pros say that when we needed to focus on jobs obama focused on healthcare and when we need to focus on the economy and the border, nobama is now in campaign mode once again. I notice lately you have a very selective memory!! you say the repubs wouldn’t actively deal when it was nobama that locked THEM out. You say we need this plan we have but the repubs aren’t playing fair when the politicians AND the unions are exempt. If it is indeed so good then why the exemptions? Before nobama care passed you guys were again saying the repubs were not comming up with any plans and wouldn’t work with the dems yet I gave you guys three house bills for healthcare reform and one of them was a DEM/REPUB plan co-sponsored by Mary Kaptur D and Steven Latourette R of Ohio!! You progressives are all full of hot air and something else I won’t name, but it rhymes with sit!!

“Joe H. says:
January 24, 2011 at 8:13 pm

bob wire,
I find it hilarious how you say it was the republicans that were out of step when 80% of the pros say that when we needed to focus on jobs obama focused on healthcare and when we need to focus on the economy ”

Well thanks Joe , I glad you enjoyed the laugh and I thank you for opening the door and permitting me to show the folly in your thinking process and how it is flawed.

First; I agree with you at first glance, Jobs should have been address. But not really ! The lost of American’s discretionary spending was address first. This is a big hole in every Americans bucket where their money is lost. It matters less how much one makes but more how much one can hold on to and control.

As many have mentioned, heath care cost was kicking our collective butts since 2000, and showed no signs of letting up!

“O” focused on HCR while he possessed the political clout to get the job done, knowing his popularity would wane with the fight, knowing special interest would mount a major resistance to it. So “O” had to do it first! And he did! ~ we didn’t get what we really needed to get the job right, the GOP and special interest were just too strong and unified. ~ Luck You! Ugh? We compromised.

so now,today ~ the administration moves on to the American work place and instituting programs that will create climates for job growth, while the GOP is still stuck in the mud with health care reform and the American people demand job growth.

Are you still laughing Joe? It went down like it had to go down Joe.

If the fight with special interest wasn’t so hard fought, we’d be much father ahead today. But it couldn’t be avoided. They saying it not over, we are saying, yes it is.

Now you are left to blame HCR for the most recent increase if you wish, but what was the reason for rates to triple since 2000 without any threat of reform? Can you laugh at me and explain that?

And yes Joe, there has been a major disconnect between the GOP and the American people for many years now. They bow, scrape and pander to special interest. And today,~ in spite of Tea Party efforts, I think they are still so engaged in Party issues they ignore the American people best interest for their own aspirations and the special interest that support them.

You are correct Bob Wire. Healthcare costs has tripled since late 2000. Some can’t wrap their minds around what our private healthcare companies have done to us with these exploding costs. That issue has little to do with government and even less to do with Obama. The opposition didn’t do a thing about those rising costs and now want to dump these new small increases in Obama’s lap. Go check Steve Forbes web and he will debunk everything on this issue and on the Affordable Healthcare Plans side.

No Ragg! I love dirty cars! and I don’t give a darn who’s car it is or who owns or drives it.

I might well be the monster but you need to understand was I enjoy feeding on before you can begin to understand me.

Sadly most people dont understand how buch “Burden” the govts’s (state-local-federal) place on all bussiness. Not feeling sorry fo anyone, but if they knew and understood this…they would understand WHY BUSSINESS’s ARE LEAVING THE USA! Not right..but when you can increase your bottom line by moving your company to a location that makes you money…lets face it..Company’s have every right to do so.

We have OSHA, NFPA, Underwriters, EPA, DHS, and a host of other regulatory entities that chip away at a Company from the moment someone has the energy to start a bussiness! Sure..you say its to “Protect” us but what good is that protection if you dont have any job?
I guess we can all sit around safe and sound unemployed..hungry…hoping for someone wealthy enough to pay all the regulatory compliance to start a business in the USA…

Bitter Libertarian, you sounding like me now. We have got to rid ourselves of this stupid Congress. How are we going to wake up the sleeping public, and let them know what the hell is going on? It seems they won’t listen, or there too stupid. I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say they are uninformed because they are not listening.

Wayne,
I know that you can have a pail of water out and people wont drink until they are thirsty..you cant tell them they are thirsty until they are past time needing the fluid.

So my answer is to look to History…I’ve read the Declaration Of Independence and what I read is a step by step process that took place before the American Revolt. Its going to get tougher, and more dangerous in this Country every month, and the danger this time comes from within, not from ANY other Nation or group on earth.

The only real income a country’s government has is tarrifs. And with a one-world government, all tarrifs go away. The only people pushing for a one-world government are those who wouldn’t have to pay tarrifs any more and those who believe (right or wrong) that they will be the ones in charge. Our politicians all seem to believe because they are important here, they will be important and in charge if we all become one. I seriously doubt that.

B.Libertarian, I agree, we’re heavily over regulated, and this is more regulation and the only people who will benefit from this is Govt. employees. pretty soon the only jobs available will be Govt. jobs. since they shipped all our manufacturing jobs and factories over seas.

As Karolyn would say Raggs, what about the poor people who cannot afford a car wash. Should they have to go without because you do not want to pay for their car wash. Maybe Obama can borrow some more money so we can all have our car washes for free.

Well Bruce, I suppose each state might be different, ~ I only live in one state and it’s the only one I know much about.

But to qualify for medical assistance, a family of three is required to bring in (net) $14,000. dollars or less.

So that leaves a large hole for the working poor to fall into.

Anyone making $15 to 24,000 are on their own.

The poor is going to receive some kind of attention regardless. ~ Head and heart transplants might well be out of the question, but for the persistent, younger and needy, hip, knee and joint replacement is not completely out of the question.

We are going to pay for this, one way or another along with the help of churches and other charitable concerns picking up the slack in various forms of donations to the hospitals via a particular patient and consideration of the overall surrounding circumstances of those found great need.

This is common practice today and health care is being provided for all over America in much this way today to those found in great need.

Their is many avenues , ~ many ledger columns ~ that all total up to provide Health Care. ~ and while we might wish to see and look on it as one “things” and provided for by “one” ways ~~ This is false, and just not the case.

We can not openly proclaim, “We are giving health care away and the line forms here” The demand would be overwhelming for “any system” that could be devised by anyone.

So somebody somewhere, is deciding where to intervene and help carry the burden ~ or not to.

~ Americans living in $75,000 dollars houses and netting 26,000 per year can not afford 6,000 per year, roughly 40% of their income on health care insurance. And they can’t pay a 125,000 hospital bill.

~ What some many of you seemed to be saying is ,~ SO? what’s that got to do with me?

I’m saying is every ones problem and the original system was very broken.

Today we no longer look upon our fellow man as a National Asset but a liability.

If old folks have failed to provide for themselves, where by their own foolishness or their love for another or some simple luck of the draw, ~ Screw ‘em! Have I expressed your feelings correctly?

If a young child like my 21 year old niece came down with some rare Ebola poisoning at a fast food restaurant and spent 15 weeks clinging to life by a thread while doctored from all over the nation was brought into the loop as their looked for a cure. A white blood cell count count taken on the hour, just to know where she was live or dieing. After weeks, ~ finally finding a doctor that had fought this beast and won.

We are most grateful and indebted to all the many people, more then we can possible count and we can never in one life time ~ repay them.

Why did they do this~this thing? Because that’s what doctors and nurses do.

Six months later, she is well, ~ only her memories and motor skill are still a bit shaky.

Health Care is expensive and that is first line of understanding is that it is profit oriented only makes it more so.

Before you die you are going to spend some money on this item, seems you folks show no interest in paying forward.

If you’ve got a better idea about how health care might be provided, fine! whip it out ! Let’s see it

But understand, I’m helping pay today for your insurance while I can’t buy any, as carriers refuse to sell it to me. And if they did see fit to cover me and I could afford it, ~ the disclaimers would make it almost worthless.

Great post, Bob. You nailed it! Especially with the “Screw ‘em” part. Heartless is what I call them.

I am very fortunate in that when I lived in NJ and found out I had hepatitis C in 2001 I was able to be under a state program whereby I paid a $20 copay at one particular medical practice, where I received care from residents. My biopsy costs at the cooperating hospital were picked up by the state. I have not had health insurance since 1998, when it was paid for by my job and have not needed it. I keep myself healthy. Sickness is not an option. Also, I don’t run to the doctor for every sniffle, as so many do.

I am also very pleased with a local nonprofit medical corporation here in SC that charges on a sliding scale for those without insurance. I can go there for $20 and get any and all tests I need, see a doctor and even a mental health counselor as long as it’s all done in one day; and that includes xrays and ultrasound. We need more outfits like it!

when obamacare comes in nobody will get the kind of care your niece did as it will be deemed to expensive, what some people don’t get is this is eugenics no more first rate healthcare unless your something special.

blv54, to medical professionals, everyone is special, that’s the nature of their work. ~

Making a crap shoot out of the providing of health care is a matter of “for profit” insurance companies.

To make people whole is their goal, to separate one from what ills them their purpose, this has always been so from the very beginning.

But in today’s world they are indeed hard to separate, as you yourself confuse one for the other.

From such a perception, I question any benefits in reform it might truly offer.

You are hardly getting screwed or anyone else Karolyn. With all those freebies you got Karolyn you just negated everything Bob Wire said in his post.

Tell us of this “Free” care Bruce ~ I’d like to know more about your understanding of it. ~

Do you truly know what you are talking about? We as a nation are attempting to offer a “system” that address not all, not even everyone’s needs and not truly the bulk of Americans needs if you do the math.

At 320 million people in America today, we have “attempted to offer a system that offers to include coverage to only 40 million newly qualifying Americans. ~ still falling short 150 to 200 million people to including every American inside one system.

So get real, ~ we are discussing a system and this system is not free and never been presented as free.

The old system was not free either. I paid for yours and no one paid for mine for I was and am outside the system. I’m left to pay for what I can and do without what I can’t afford as I am self -employed and a older gentleman approaching the last summer of life. I have no group plan carrier that finds an interest in me. Like Joe said, you can start feeling like just meat.

Now outside the “system” people can receive basic care free “TO THEM” but it’s cost is picked up by tax dollars. Tax dollar that both they and I pay. Now I do pay taxes but for me to get free care I must qualify that I am poor. But I am not poor so I can’t.

Is any of this soaking in?

If you are going to complain about having to pay and in the same breath complain that someone is getting it free, You need to decide what you are attempting to discuss. The system or the equalities of life.

~ If you have other means to cover yourself or just simply refuse care coverage there is little need for you to be inside the system and you would not need to pay. Now how hard is that to understand.

But bottom line ~ if you don’t like this system being offered, construct one better that people might like and vote for ~ For now, this one is on the books and already being employed to various degrees.

My senior parents 84 and 80 have the standard coverage of medicare and pay 840.00 a month in supplemental coverage.

Everyone is happy as a clam to see them stumble into the doctors office. They get the full treatment, they will poke, gouge and test them to death with every test conceived. Father should have been dead 2 years ago ~ but he seems more like a slow moving suffuling

Tell us of this “Free” care Bruce ~ I’d like to know more about your understanding of it. ~

Do you truly know what you are talking about? We as a nation are attempting to offer a “system” that address not all, not even everyone’s needs and not truly the bulk of Americans needs if you do the math.

At 320 million people in America today, we have “attempted to offer a system that offers to include coverage to only 40 million newly qualifying Americans. ~ still falling short 150 to 200 million people to including every American inside one system.

So get real, ~ we are discussing a system and this system is not free and never been presented as free.

The old system was not free either. I paid for yours and no one paid for mine for I was and am outside the system. I’m left to pay for what I can and do without what I can’t afford as I am self -employed and a older gentleman approaching the last summer of life. I have no group plan carrier that finds an interest in me. Like Joe said, you can start feeling like just meat.

Now outside the “system” people can receive basic care free “TO THEM” but it’s cost is picked up by tax dollars. Tax dollar that both they and I pay. Now I do pay taxes but for me to get free care I must qualify that I am poor. But I am not poor so I can’t.

Is any of this soaking in?

If you are going to complain about having to pay and in the same breath complain that someone is getting it free, You need to decide what you are attempting to discuss. The system or the equalities of life.

~ If you have other means to cover yourself or just simply refuse care coverage there is little need for you to be inside the system and you would not need to pay. Now how hard is that to understand.

But bottom line ~ if you don’t like this system being offered, construct one better that people might like and vote for ~ For now, this one is on the books and already being employed to various degrees.

My senior parents 84 and 80 have the standard coverage of medicare and then they pay 840.00 a month in supplemental coverage.

Everyone is happy as a clam to see them stumble into the doctors office. They get the full treatment, they will poke, gouge and test them to death with every test conceived. Father should have been dead 2 years ago ~ but he seems more like a slow shuffling energizer bunny. So the money and quality care does work.

I’m not privileged to the same offers, even if I could afford them and there is many millions of American such as I.

Why do you not just read Karolyn’s post Bob and follow what she is doing. Okay $20 is not free but close to it. Karolyn like all liberals know how to work the system. All illegals get their health care free along with anyone else who goes to the emergency room that have no way to pay. Also their are other government programs that others talk about such as Medicaid maybe. That being said the Republicans need to come up with an affordable alternative for the rest of us.

“Bruce D. says:
January 24, 2011 at 11:49 pm

Why do you not just read Karolyn’s post Bob and follow what she is doing. Okay $20 is not free but close to it. Karolyn like all liberals know how to work the system”

Bruce, just exactly how much life experience do you have? You think 20 dollars is free? ~ $20.00 spent inside a “system” makes the system work. ~ I assure you, GOP members know how to work systems Bruce, liberals don’t have the market cornered.

Every property owner that pays taxes, ~pays into such “systems” Bruce, where they use them or not. It’s your government at work with things people like yourself don’t feel important because it’s always been there for you and you take it for granted. You’ve never done without it presence. I’m not permitted to do everything I wish, I might enjoy pissing in your well, but I’m told no, you can’t do Bruce that way.

I think maybe I’m attempting to talk to a tree or a defiant child!

So you have a problem with “organized systems” ~ you think you can carry all the money you will ever need in your hip pocket?

What are you Bruce, some kind of Jeremiah Johnson, hermit mountain man, wild and woolly and full of fleas , never been curried below the knees?

I gave up smoking Joe when I discovered that if by chance it might briefly improved your perception and intelligence it robbed you of both memory and your pecker. You would quickly forget all your clever ideas that you flattered yourself with so by the time the buzz lifted and the woman long gone. ~ But I will admit, the stuff sure makes you think that your are very clever person. a drug induced euphoria they call it I believe ~ Insufferable company is a understatement, unless you get stupid too!

And I am much more then just meat to my government Joe, ~ I am a tax payer and voting meat and I vote with my dollars. My cooperation and money is sought after and desired.

Now you might feel as if you are just meat. It’s not a completely uncommon feeling to have at times I suppose. Defeating thoughts seem to bring it on, ineffective thought processes.

I’m left to believe you might feel more likely to be seen as just meat to an Insurance Company or some employers Joe.

Did you know that some large employers take out “TERM Life ” policies on unbeknown employees? Mostly women but sometimes men, the rate of return is much higher on women they say. They are referred to as “Palpor Policies” These employer’s plan to capitalize on their employees death!

So Now! how does that idea of being “just a piece of meat” sound to ya?

It’s really not to difficult to allow yourself be seen as a piece of meat today or yesterday.

AHHH.. the ole collective salvation trick?

Are you trying to make me feel bad because the poor cannot afford health care? And your saying that it’s ok to mandate taxpayers to fund health care for the poor… You are saying that I need to pay an increase in cost of insurance of 60% or more… So what happens when socialism has taken from the rich to give to the poor and there are no more rich?… Socialism does not work!!!!!

I’m not says you or I “need to” ~ we already are! and have been!

Do you question that Raggs?

Raggs:

One thing I can’t figure out. They say about one tenth of our population is without insurance. Well, if you consider raising our insurance costs to cover that one tenth, why does it need to go up 50%-75% more? I suspect they are planning on a lot more illegals to come here because the medical would all be free.

.45…

1% of the increase in insurance goes to funding the poor while the remaining 69% go to funding the government employees obama hired to oversee the insurance industry.

You are right; I had forgotten how the government spends their money.

The laws of economic gravity says healthcare will go up.That has already been proven over the last 10 years. Where do you get those 60-75% increases? I’ve seen 1% and 2.5% increases so help us out in understanding your figures. Are you spreading fear,facts or an accurate account?

Probably the same way you do when you’ve got your head up Beck’s or Mitch McConnell a$$ets.

Raggs,
He’s had plenty of practice!!! Proctologist donchaknow!!!

“People did not want Obamacare and protested it vehemently before it was passed. That is why Obama had to bribe Congressmen to vote for it.”

not to mention that the “health care industry” itself spent (invested) a million dollars a month for 15 month to the run up to the chamber vote offering loud resistance to HCR.

and don’t forget everybody won’t be covered in this health care bill, as long as we pay our BRIBE we can get out of it, I sure won’t be taking it we can’t even afford a car anymore let alone this health care nightmare, for some of us it would be better not to work at all than work just to pay them and not even be able to afford to eat.

bob wire,
First you said a million a day and now you say a million a month. Which is it? Or is it BS???

JoeH, I agree, also I don’t like to forced to pay for it.

Thanks Joe, ~ I realized my inconsistency moment after my posting and I have spent~ oh! ~ maybe 15 minutes searching for that figure, ~ there was I time, back months ago during the fight I had and knew it as hard data. Crazy thing is, ~ I’m having a hard time finding it today.

So I can keep looking, ~ or you can call it BS ~ and think maybe No money was spent by the Insurance Industry and Big pharmacy to defeat HCR.

I’m thinking it was a million a day. I’ll keep looking Joe.

It’s was the same with oil interest, and Carbon Credits. ~ Big oil and Gas Interest,~got on “that” early and in a big way ~ with attempts to hold sway of public opinion through all and every media outlets, paid bloggers, you name it. They mounted a powerful defense to place a negative spin on “Carbon Credits”

Carbon Credits is something ~ they don’t want to even hear spoken aloud.

It was no different with HCR, ~ I’m quite sure Tea Party “interest” enjoyed some of this money. Money spent and promises of being spent wakes people up and makes things happen Joe.

Most of those “socialist s…holes” are far from “s…holes”!

Only if you believe their press.

Well, as far as Germany goes, my friend’s son is career military. He spent 10 years in Germany, married a German girl, came back here last year and can’t wait to go back! He loves it there.

Karolyn:

Good for him! I’ve got a friend who spent 10 years there, part of it military and part not. He’s married to a German girl and they have three kids.

Both of them are delighted to be back here in the US even if he is having a bad time finding a good job.

Germany is also the exception to the rule. They are natural born workers. But they are having problems now as immigrants to Germany and also other EU countries do not share their work ethic. Germany and America both are bailing these countries out. Imagine that, Americans giving money to keep socialist countries alive in Europe.

Yea! Like let’s keep government out of our medicare!

But to those rich idiots in Washington what is a few dollars more or less? To them it isn’t any harder to pay $500 as it is to pay $35.

So your premiums were going down before HCR?

I think not ! in fact they have tripled since 2000 and that being the very reason for the need for HCR. ~ Many more people besides you couldn’t afford it!

So who were you blaming for these increases before HCR?

The truth is , We didn’t get what we really needed with HCR, the GOP would not allow it.

The insurance companies are the ones that raised your rates. Do you feel that they somehow needed a good reason? They are looking for reasons before HCR. They are looking for ways for you to pay more and offer you less.

And I’m am truly sorry that you are having to pay so much, I really am. This is attacking American’s discretionary spending and milking Americans dry! and that why the reform was needed.

I spoke to my family doctor about this issue several years ago,~ a nice man to man talk, straight up. ~ He was paying $1400.00 a month for him and his wife then. Ofcourse being a doctor and knowing what possible, what can happen, not to even mention being exposed on a daily bases to all kinds of sickness, I’m sure he bought the Cadillac Plan.

Well at least you can buy it. ~ They won’t sell me insurance, there no group that show interest in me. And I’ve caught a cold, upper respiratory infection 2 out of the last three years and I smoke.

So I’m a cash and carry guy. ~ The VA refers me to County and I refuse to go. I’ve only one way out if I become very ill. Rusty old 38, I’ve accepted it. Accepting your position is not always an easy thing to do. I have done this. ~ It’s nothing but a thang. Each of us must play the cards we are holding. It’s so strange how so many want to play cards they simply are not holding.

But I do want it better for future generations, especially the young ones that have yet to live their lives as I’ve so enjoyed mine.

You can’t really trust anyone, neither government or insurance companies. Any of you that have illusions you can ~ bless you.

Okay,we’ll assume it will cost more . Give us the figures and compare them to the rates before the bill was signed into law.

Agree

May you live long enough to learn you are wrong.

You do not really know what the Republicans want to do Daniel. Why do you pretend to???

I don’t care what the Republicans “are trying to do.” As a strict constitutionalist libertarian, I don’t trust them any further than I can throw a two-ton boulder.

I just think it’s hysterical that someone would argue about the evil insurance companies, yet support a law of which the most controversial provision REQUIRES people to do business with these same evil insurance companies.

Wazzup wi dat?

If you trust the Democrats any further, please let us know why, Daniel?

Daniel, I agree with you, there’s no difference in either party, one causes the problem and the other comes up with the solution. if you don’t agree with the republicans (who are the same as the democrats, close) then people call you a liberal, or a democrat. I’m for which ever party follows the Constitution.

Wayne, Daniel said he was a strict Constitutional Libertarian,it has nothing to do with Dems., or Repub.

I’m with Daniel in the Libertarian / Constitution category.
And it never fails to amaze me how well indoctrinated the American electorate is in thinking there are only two options.
Guess what folks…we’ve been voting those “two options” for decades
and we get screwed either way. Restore the Republic and End the Fed.
Go Libertarian!

While I agree with most of your comments, as well as some of the others here, We will do well to remember that most insurance companies are not privately owned but are investor owned and they must make money to keep stockholders who want a good return on their investments, happy. Seems to me that is free interprise at work.
I would rather deal with all the insurance problems than have a government mandated, illegal insurance program, or any other government mandated program. Any one, Democrat, Republican, Tea party or whatever winds your spring, that truly belives that we are not loosing our freedoms one mandate at a time really needs to get their heads out of the sand or whereever it is that your head may be, must be in a fairy world.

David,
I have worked for nonprofit orgs. for the past 23 years. When I moved to where i currently live was the first time i couldn’t afford my companies HC plan. Because i’m retired military, i decided to give Tricare a try. After serving 20 years for my country, this is how Tricare works for me. I have $250 annual deductible plus have to pay either 20 or 25% of the cost for any services i receive. According to the military newsletter i get congress wants to raise our out of pocket expenses. I just had eye surgery what tricare covers is applied to my $3000 out of pocket catistropic (sp) costs. I already met my deductible and have paid $250 just for the eye doctors visits, haven’t got the surgery bill and i’m also paying for the for the cost of the juice they used to put me under. Now when i enlisted in 1968, i was told that if i made a career out of the military, i would have free medical for life which was a lie. Only our elected officials get free HC at our expense. I am also a disabled vet so i called the VA to see if they would do the surgery, only to find out that in 2003 (the rep. controlled)house passed income guidelines for vets. I make too much money to use the VA. hospital. The only good out of this i see better and will never have to wear glasses again.

Tom, I totally agree with you statements

Tom… I agree! It all starts at the top and it has been going on long before Barry was groomed for the presidency by Soros!

You are so right Tom, the libs will never get their head out of the sand, there afraid that they will half to work !!

Tom, I am one Conservative that won’t vote for any of the Democrats that voted for the health care bill. Down with Obama and the Democrats in 2012. They will only get the Socialist and the Commies to vote for them. I hope we have over 50 percent of the folks in his country that have woke up that will vote these people out.

Auto insurance is state mandated, not federal & not all states mandate it also your not mandated to own an automobile. In my state homeowners insurance is mandated only via the bank, if they own your home by mortgage.

Right! The Feds can not demand that you buy car of homeowner insurance. That protection is required by State law to protect a lender while you are making payments. It prevents you from walking away from the debt when your SUV gets totaled or your house burns to the ground. Once you hve paid your loan in full, the obligation changes. Most homeowners recognize the need to protect against certain perils such as fire, flood and burglary and do so. As for car insurance, most states only require liability insurance or a posted bond in a predetermined amount to cover the loss incurred if you hurt someone else in an act of negligence. Basicly, we are being directed to being responsible for our actions which we should be naturally and automatically.

Big Bad John says, “Because they could not get the republicans to sit down and work out something that was acceptable to all.”——-

Where were you? The Democrats and your precious Obama totally shut out the Republicans. They were treated like a hated stepchild.
The Republicans were ignored. Half of the people were NOT represented when the Health Care Bill was being formulated.

Not so fast Jana;The Affordable Healthcare bill debate went on for over a year and that was plenty of time for Republicans to get their views out.Even those Republicans who supported The bill voted against it. Little more than Party politics. Now it’s all about being a job killer which is more smoke and fire from those R’s.

Not so eddie,
They were flatly not let in the debate. They were shunned at every turn.

“Where were you? The Democrats and your precious Obama totally shut out the Republicans. They were treated like a hated stepchild.”

Jana, we were here. I’m not sure about the “precious Obama ” thing, ~ I’ll take that as a snearing catty slur. But we were here when the GOP behaved like red headed step children and were eventually ignore as showing no interest in the process.

And let me say, the bias political canker was so intense, it would have been a death wish for any GOP politician to attempt to take part in the process. IS THAT NOT SO? or do you see it differently?

It was clear the GOP was then ~ and is now today ! attempting to use HCR to be Obama’s stake thu the heart.

The crazy part is ~ much like the “birther” and their “lost cause” , this too shall be.

It’s not going to go down as you think and hope it might.

What you have achieved is getting a few people excited.

Have any of you vetted Rand Paul? You have elected him to congress. Has anyone really done the work? It’s very easy to assume he qualifies. “O” was no different.

As recently as the 1960s, low-cost health insurance was available to virtually everyone in America – including people with existing medical problems. Doctors made house calls. A hospital stay cost only a few days’ pay. Charity hospitals were available to take care of families who could not afford to pay for healthcare.

Since then the federal government has increasingly intervened through Medicare, Medicaid, the HMO Act and tens of thousands of regulations on doctors, hospitals and health-insurance companies

BBJ
This is the health care bill that will be used not the obomanation.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1495:
Just think it wont take two years to read it either.

That link failed try this one.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1495:

BigBadJohn, come down from your high horse. The Democrats locked the Republicans out, and did not even want to hear their side. Most of the Democrats was not even aware of what was in the health care bill. Would you be so stupid to sign something that you had not read over? I hope you wouldn’t Remember when Nancy Pelosi was asked by a reporter if she knew what was in the bill. She answered, we’ll just have to wait until its passed to find out, won’t we. Tell me that you agree with that asinine statement. If so, then we’ll all know your nuts too.

BBJ,
Bull$hit!! The republicans were locked out of the meetings and were not allowed to participate!! I don’t mind if you want to cut on the republicans, but get it truthful at least!!

I agree Joe H. It is difficult for the country to find a middle ground when someone will tell any kind of lie to promote their side.

“I don’t mind if you want to cut on the republicans, but get it truthful at least!!”

The truth? you ask for? ~ The truth is, the political rangling was so politically polarized, ~ it would have been very expensive for any GOP politician to take part in HCR without suffering party displeasure!

In fact so much so, much of the baseline ideas in HCR creation was GOP (John MCains’s) ideas from years prior but Mc Cain wished to distance himself from it as far as was possible, not wanting the credit or attention.

So there is your truth Joe, and the crazy part about it is ~ I do believe you are a smart enough man to know what I say is true.

BBJohn, there’s no difference in the 2 parties. also, how you doing in the stock market? be careful, it’s a rigged casino game, it’s not buy, sell, or trade it’s rigged all the way, to their benefit.

wayne,
First point: if you are going to “quote” someone, you have to actually use the words they used.
Second: adding your own snarky tone does nothing to boost your own credibility.

What Speaker Pelosi said was “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.” It still sounds bad…. out of context. The implication is that she was speaking to Congress instead of the people. The point was that the right was so busy trying to shoot down the bill that the people were not getting an accurate idea of what the bill contained. When you hear the full statement (which the right doesn’t want you to) it’s a very clear statement. Simply put, she was saying that, while the bill was available to be read on line, much of the value and effect of this bill would not be recognized until it had a chance to take effect, thus disproving the claims of the Republicans. Truth is, she was right.

Kinetic1 … You can try to spin what she said until the cows come home, but it won’t make any difference! She said it needed to be passed so it could be read. By agreeing with that logic you are siding with her and making both of you look stupid. Nuff said!

must be a Obama, Reid and Pelosi supporter

Robin,
You see, this is how the Republicans play. I give you context and the fact that the bill was available to read on line, and you respond by sticking with the line that was fed to you by Rush and Hannity. They’ve got you thinking that the spin is truth and the truth is spin.

You know what Robin, let’s take this one step further. Speaker Pelosi did not say “it needed to be passed so it could be read.” That’s the spin put on this by the right. That’s the distortion. If you wanted to read the bill, it was on line. If you wanted to understand the truth about what was in the bill, that was tougher because the Republicans were lying through their teeth about it. Just look at the list laid out on the floor of congress last week;
137 new agencies — not true;
death panels — not true;
Members aren’t covered — not true
And on it goes. Unsubstantiated claims about the number of IRS agents, counting new systems or accounts in already existing departments as “new “bureaucracies”, anything to blow things out of proportion.

You may or may not approve of the health care bill, and you may or may not approve of Nancy Pelosi, but let’s at least debate this on the up and up.

Robin,
what kenetic1 forgets is the finished bill was only faintly similar to the internet version!!

Kenetic1,
So how many lawmakers actually read the bill? Pretty close to zero,right? Sounds like Pelosi-speak was tougher to figure out than a Rubic’s Cube because apparently lawmakers came away with the same understanding that you say Hanity and Limbaugh did. Evidence of this is the fact that Democrat lawmakers voted first before finding out what was in it.

Your spinning of this matter is intense enough to upset the balance of a whirling dervish.

Kinetic1, your twisting the fact, if you believe that, you are an idiot just like plosi is, move to france !!

Don,
Like I said to Robin, all I did was place Pelosi’s words in context. It’s you folks who are twisting the meaning. As for France, don’t forget that without the French we might not have beat the British.

Kenetic1,
Don’t forget that without our help in liberating their lands from the hands of the Germans, the land northeast of the Iberian Peninsula would have been French Fried… TWICE

Kinetic1, your getting a little testy, arn’t you? OK, it may have not been her exact words. In fact I did not say it was he exact words. But she did make the statement that we would have to wait until the bill was passed before we knew what as in the bill. I believe that most of the folks on here mostly likely heard her make this comment. Don’t try to cloud the issue over by being exact. Even Mathematics is not any exact sciense. If you don’t believe tdhe last statement, ask a college professor.

wayne,
Am I testy? Maybe, but why shouldn’t I be when the right continues to argue this point based on a lie? The point is, your paraphrasing of her statement ignored the context and changed the meaning. What all of you seem to fail to understand is that she was not speaking literally about the text of the bill, but of the impact. The text was available, but the effects were being debated and often obscured. In fact, her statement holds true for many bills. The authors will tell you what they believe the results of the bill will be, opponents offer another view and the CBC will offer their opinion. In the end, the actual effects of the bill will not be known until it is enacted. Even then, the two sides may continue to debate the actual effects.

Take the Reagan tax cuts: Reagan argued that cutting taxes would increase revenues and Conservatives argue that the results of Reagan’s policies proved that point. Liberals contend that Reagan simply gave that impression by allowing the nation’s debt to soar. Everyone had the opportunity to see what was being proposed up front, but the real results would not be known until the policy had been enacted, and even then there is debate.

In Pelosi’s own words: ““But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.”
http://www.breitbart.tv/nancy-pelosi-we-need-to-pass-health-care-bill-to-find-out-whats-in-it/

They promised the public the opportunity to read(and understand?)the 1,919 pages 72 hours before the vote – talk about cramming for an exam.

Jeff,
Check this out. Having lived on both sides of the border long enough to see what is “really” going on, I can tell you that even the trailer is an accurate eye openr.

One Movie puts ObamaCare on ICE…
http://www.sickandsickermovie.com

If you knew it was lousy, wouoldn’t you? A good piece of junk!!!!

Congress, their staff, and their families are also exempt. No watch Kinetic come in to try and contradict this one too. Yes! we all know where Kinetic1 stands.

Sorry about the typos. I hate this keyboard on the laptop of my Gateway Computer.

OK, BigBag John, they are both idiots. Does this satisfy you now? Just because Bush was an idiot, does that mean your man, Nobama, has to be one too? Wake up and see what this currnt administration is doing to his country. Let’s forget about the past, that’s behind us now. Think about the future as it is the most important thing to our country now.

Nice duck and cover,Wayne.

wayne, well said.

wayne:

I agree.

wayne,
count me there as well!!

The “Duck and Cover” comes everytime someone wants to make an excuse for Obamunist policies by pointing out something Bush did wrong.
Actually it’s more like a diversion tactic.
Yep! Bush was (in my mind) an evil bastard, but that is NO excuse for the Globalist Imposter presently ensconsed in the White House RIGHT NOW!

Get with the game libbies….Bush is GONE!

But the results of many of his actions still remain to be cleaned up, a fact you are ignoring!!!

You mean you “assume” I’m ignoring…cuz that’s what Liberals do…they “assume” the worst about everyone and everything.
It’s what makes them so detestable.

The whole damned system needs to be cleaned OUT! Moron.
Not just Bush, not just Obama… EVERYTHING.

You sound so angry and confused, why????

he is ! both those things. ~ It’s a Tea Party thang.

Are you the musician? Capitola? Right on!

I agree, Bruce. You cannot ask you own ciizens to cut back while giving money away to foreign countries at the same time. This has been a gripe of mine for years. These countries has been around for a long time, before our own coutry, and a lot of them are still living in the dark ages. The folks in these poor countries are going to have to get off their lazy butts, get an education, and work for their own betterment. As long as they are getting free money from us, they will never improve themselves. You should only want to help those who want to help themselves. Am I being selfish here?

Good point Wayne. As long as people are getting free money they will never improve themselves.

Nice addition Bruce. Now, listen to your words. Right here in America we have millions who we give money to in a program we call “welfare.” Why should we expect the people of other countries to care about and respect us when the people right here in America don’t care about or respect us for giving them “welfare.” The problem is simple. When you give to people something they truly did not work for, you destroy their incentive to better themselves and you open the door to resentment. The “have nots” will always resent the “haves” for having what they do not. A friend once shared a piece of advise with me that I thought was perfect. She said, “we shouldn’t be trying to sweep someone elses front porch until we know ours is clean first.” How does that hit you? Pretty good advice, I think. We need to reinvent the C.C.C camps that were popular back in the 30′s and 40′s. The Civilian Conservation Corps provided jobs for government dollars and the people felt productiove and were contributiong something instead of sitting on their butts doing nothing. (Google Civilian Conservation Corps and check it out) Time to rethink a lot of good ideas and perhaps get them out of mothballs. As for cutting off aid to all those foreign countries, that has been a number one on my list for decades. Why the hell hasn’t congress thought of that?

I agree bear and those CCC camps were a blessing for many. Workfare not welfare.

Well said all the way around.

If you notice, when government wants to make cuts it starts with the military…you know the guys who put their lives on the line everyday for our freedoms….then they hit on Medicare, a entitlement that the government put into place without the people’s consent and made everyone become a part of it when they turn 65…then they go to social security….first, social security is not an entitlement unless you think that your bank has the right not to refund your money you have in your account. Second, social security was put into place as a retirement account (IRA) and was held in its own account until the Demorat Pres. Johnson in 1964 decided to start stealing from it and dumped the money into the general fund…Third, the government has issued social security IOU’s or Bonds for 1.5 trillion dollars which they have no intention of repaying…they have stolen the money. But, they never say “Medicaid”…cutting Medicaid could be the greatest accomplishment ever…there are literally thousand of “poor” people in this country that have never hit a lick of work in their lives. Cut this out except for the disabled and over 60 elderly. It is time for these people to get off the teet of the taxpayer…MEDICAID…THE FIRST ITEM TO CUT.

wandamurline
ss and medicare are two programs i have payed in to all my life ss from 1963 and medicare 1965 the other programs like medicaid unemployment comp are not a pay as you go from your check they are a goverment give away the unempoyment comp is a tax on your empoyler and medicaid is a state /fed run like welfare

Actually wandamurline the first thing government cuts is government programs and services designed to serve and help you. Military spending is rarely if ever cut. I worked for the U.S. Forest Service Research program for 20 years, first as a supervisory research forester heading up a research lab in Mississippi, then as a budget coordinator in Washington D.C. and last as a Deputy Director (manager)of a Research Station in the Rocky Mountain West. I spent my entire 20 years cutting and reducing budgets at all locations. Research jobs designed to improve management of forests in the U.S. were cut in mostly small university towns across the U.S. In that length of time Forest Service Research lost its #1 world ranking in natural resources research conservation and management. In federal research programs, the first thing that is always cut is foreign travel designed to improve collaboration with other scientists across the world. Next comes attrition i.e. when someone leaves or retires that position is not filled. Each scientist usually requires 2-3 people to support them. Hence, when a scientist retires eventually 2-3 other jobs are lost. I used to be able to tell you how many jobs were lost, but am retired now. The organization was essentially cut in half between 1988 & 2008. I don’t see this happening in the military. However, what we do see is career military personnel being replaced by National Guard personnel. Isn’t it interesting that we have/had National Guard in Iraq and Afghanistan protecting their borders, but not our borders. I always thought the “National” Guard was created to guard “our homeland” not some one else’s.

Wayne – “The folks in these poor countries are going to have to get off their lazy butts, get an education, and work for their own betterment.” I’d like to see you do better down there than they are. In a country where there is no infrastructure, no economy to speak of, rampant medical problems, and severe poverty, it’s next to impossible to “get off their lazy butts…….” Who do you think you are lording it over people with less advantages than us? The only people making any money in Haiti and countries like it are the corrupt rulers.

Socialist Karolyn, who are you to say what people should and should not do with their money. Why do you not go to Hatti and stay there until the problem is resolved and they do not need your help anymore?
Where is your compassion for these people. It is most likely that your compassion comes from what you think other people should do for them.

Karolyn, whose fault is that? Is that our fault? When the Pilgrims first came to America, and for a long time after, they did not have any structure to work with either. They built their own. They did not sit around on their behinds waiting for some one else to keep them. They worked from daylight to dark. They worked hard with their bare hands ,and used ingenuity, or we would not have any structure today either. Why is it that parts of Africa has been around for hundreds & hundreds of years, way before America was here, and they still are having people starve to death. Yes! the Pilgrams did not sit around on their rear ends. They worked hard to give ss what we have today. Now, Nobama is trying to destroy all that People had done from that time until today. I really think that people are going to eventually wake up by the next election and vote this Socialist out of office before we lose everything those older folks had worked for. Karolyn, I just don’t understand your ideolgy. We need good honest people with character, willing to do an honest days work for an honest day of pay. We need a government that is going to represent this type of person. Nobama has failed us and he has got to go. Period.

Wayne – You forget that the Pilgrims came from a civilized country. Africa is a huge country that is not all civilized to this day. Haiti was started with slaves who were kept down and whose progeny have been kept down by the powers that be. You don’t seem to understand the concept of being poor in a country with little to no opportunity unless you have a relative who gets to the US and can send money back to enable you to start some kind of business. There are organizations formed specifically for women in 3rd world countries to start businesses. Do you think they don’t? Unfortunately, there are not enough resources to go around. “Judge not lest ye be judged.” The holier than thou attitude is not very becoming.

I agree with Wayne. People in this country started with nothing. We have given billions and billions to help Hatti over the last 30 years. They are like a welfare state. Let those that want to give their money away to Haiti give it away. Those that want to help their own family and their own charities let them do that. You cannot help those that cannot help themselves. It is racist Karolyn to say that those from Africa are uncivilized and cannot do as well as those who came from Europe. We should treat them equally as individuals Karolyn and stop the poor pathic as a group stuff.

Karolyn,
England in the 16th century was a civilized country? The pilgrims didn’t hardly see it that way I can assure you. Sanitary conditions alone were worst than present day Haiti in that human waste was hastily tossed out the nearest second story window often on the heads of unfortunate passers by with only the occasional “heads up” as a warning. This was a land of back to back cholera epidemics as a result.

My ancestors from Holland landed here with English pilgrims on the shores of the new world in 1680. Hardy people who were promised nothing and expected nothing. There was no welfare, no social security, no government housing, no government loans for those who wished to start a business. As a matter of fact there wasn’t much of anything here aside from wilderness, native indians and an oppressive monarchy which ruled from across the ocean.

In spite of the many hardships they managed to carve a living out of the wilderness to support growing families. Enduring a crescendo of regulation and taxation without representation began to foster a dream of what government could and should be. In the decade prior to the signing of the Declaration Of Independence they fought what was then a world super power to make their dreams a reality. The United States Constitution was inked in their very blood and that was just the beginning. Since then they were involved in every righteous cause, regional dispute, world war and fist fight that was required to build this country and keep it safe. To defend the Constitution that had cost them so dearly.

So tell me again Karolyn how an oppressed people cannot escape tyranny.

Nice post Michael. Early Americans endured death, sickness, and starvation to get away from the tyranny of Europe. It was never easy and only came about by hard work, pain, and suffering. Those on the left would like everyone to forget about our heritage as they believe no one can really succeed without government help.

Karolyn, name any any great civilization that flourished in Africa, Haiti, etc.. all these countries depend on us for welfare, etc. for us to support them, I know because I’ve been to these countries. do some research on on foreign aid.

wayne & Bruce: America has always been the first to give money, food, aid, etc. We can no longer do this. We must stop this insane spending, and start taking care of America first. Then, after we take care of America, and IF there is any money left, then maybe, maybe we can help others but only the countries that have helped us. What bothers the heck out of me is the fact we have honest homeless and hungry people right here in the U.S. and this includes our veterans!! This IS wrong! Administrations have freely given to other countries when we do not have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. I am being crude but enough is enough. All administrations have placed America in such a hole that it is unthinkable and inexcusable. Another thing, I truly do not believe there is a single elected politician that will put the clamps on this debacle. They all act like it is their money to give away. It isn’t! It is ours! It is our money that was put into Social Security which includes Medicaid. All of us paid into these programs with our hard earned dollars and all administrations stole from it and never put the money back!! These administrations, past and present are nothing but thieves/criminals themselves! They had no right to take this money of ours. And yet they act like they are God’s gift to American humanity! Let them take a pay cut, let them walk to work, let them do without their gigantic pensions and marvelous insurance. Let them live like some of the rest of us. They should get their asses in gear, shape up, and do their job like they should. We elected these politicians, let them prove to America and all Americans that they ARE WORTHY of our vote. Forget the speeches, forget the patronizing talk, forget talking to the American public like we are dummies that they can manipulate. get down to brass tacks and fly right.

Claire – Yes, and I just read where we are continuing to import foreign workers who are taking American jobs while citizens are losing jobs.

We’ve simply got to all stand up and say ENOUGH! It’s still our country, but not for much longer.

Bruce – There are private humanitarian efforts going into Haiti. Clinton heads one. However, considering the extreme conditions in a country that has NOTHIN, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH, they need all the help they can get. Or would you have them all just starve and die of all the rampant disease?

I would think people like you would give your money Karolyn. The people in Hattii are not getting most of the money. It is being stolen by those in government. You should switch news channels Karolyn. You seem to not be getting all the news.

You got that right Bruce.

Karolyn, maybe I don’t know what I am talking about here, but how long has Haiti been a country? I have seen lazy bums right in this country that are were lazy to work. Thank God they are in minority, but it seems were getting more and more of that kind of people. Nobama will only make this situation worse. In order to get a head people have to be educated, and willing to work. The lazy folks are the ones who failed to get an education, by being lazy. Without the education they can’t get a decent job then they go on welfare and depend on the other person who did all the right things to support them. Even without the education they could at least be laborers.

Haiti has always had corrupt government keeping the people down. And how do you know people are getting lazier and lazier? Got any proof? I know here where I live in SC they seem to be pretty lazy; however, I thought that was just a southern thing. I did not see that in NJ, where I spent most of my life. I believe that just because we are privy to so much more information makes it seem like some things are worse, when they are, in fact, no different than ever. We also have to think proportionately. This country is much bigger than it was when I was a kid – like twice the population!

I disagree on you that Karolyn. People from the South are fine upstanding people. They contribute a lot to our culture and our society. I do not think they are lazy at all.

Personally I do know quite a few people that live in the South. They are NOT lazy, they are hard workers and pay their taxes just like the rest of us. Some of the problem is that they have lousy politicians in their states too.

Karolyn – you really should leave the South, you seldom have anything decent to say about the folks in your area and the state you adopted as yours. Good grief. When will Northerners learn to stay in their own states if they can’t stop continuously putting the state they now live in down.

Where I live, it’s a fact. My neighbor cannot even get some kid to help her around the yard for $10 per hour, which is twice what most people here can pay. I don’t hate or disapprove of these people. It’s just a fact.

It seems to be a fact that you belittle at every turn.

The Red Cross collected $255 million for Haiti relief effort but only sent $80 million!
Now it turns out that of the $255 MILLION the Red Cross collected for the relief effort, only $80 MILLION of it actually made its way to Haiti. That leaves $175 MILLION of YOUR donations unaccounted for.

In other words, the Red Cross decided Haiti only needed $80 MILLION. So any money they receive over that amount is being used to pad their general fund. But it’s not the first time they’ve done this:

1) In 1989, the Red Cross raised $50 MILLION for the victims of the San Francisco earthquake. But it’s estimated that only $10 MILLION of it was turned over to the actual victims.

2) After September 11th, the Red Cross raised $543 MILLION for the family members of people who died in the attacks. But they held back more than HALF of that money, which eventually led to the dismissal of their president.

3) In 2004, the Red Cross raised $3.21 BILLION to aid the victims of the Indian Ocean tsunami. But they’re still holding onto $500 MILLION of it.

4) And in 2005, the Red Cross raised $1.1 BILLION to aid the victims of Hurricane Katrina. But they kept $200 MILLION of it to, quote, “prepare for future disasters.”

It’s worth mentioning that the Red Cross got $100 MILLION in bailout funds, and that PRESIDENT OBAMA capped the salaries of Red Cross execs at $500,000 a year. Because they’d been earning almost $1 MILLION a year.

The Red Cross is a good organization, and the money they raise will eventually be used to help someone in crisis . . . at least we hope so. But they’re not nearly as forthcoming as you would hope or expect, considering it’s YOUR donations that keep them in business.

I never give to any organization that doesn’t spend the largest portion of their budget on direct services.

Karolyn, I agree. I used to donate to the Humane Society years ago until I realized they only spent about 5% of donations towards humane services. The rest is spent to further their radical political agenda.

JeffH– As much as I love animals and care about their welfare, I will not donate to the Humane Society. Ever.

JeffH and Claire,
Better to donate to your local rescue centers, as long as they are reputable AND non-kill!

Karolyn,
by Li Onesto, at revcom.us/a/191/Haiti-en.html.)

EhCanadianConservative– I am not backpeddling concerning my post, it was an email sent to me, and I posted it on this site. I agree with all of it. However, I do understand why Canada did not join in with us when we invaded Iraq. Iraq was a drummed-up war, and it has backfired on America. I do thank you and your country for being an ally when the situation was feasible and you joind hands with America.

“joined”

Just to help round out the thought from our Canuck friend…
Americans rarely hear anything from the US media regarding the charity / foreign aid work of other nations. For example, did you know that during the rescue efforts of Katrina that Canada has 3 naval vessels including a hospital ship parked offshore that were there to lend assistance with everything from water purification to medical aid and food supplies…but were refused their offer to help.

And… one of the main reasons that Canada, France and Germany protested the invasion of Iraq, (I was and remain agianst that invasion) was because of money…not nobility.
The “Oil for Food” program that caught Kofi Annan with his pants down and his hand in the cookie jar was actually a money laundering operation that saw bankers and corporations in those 3 countries making billions under the table. The whole thing found its way back to a Montreal based outfit called PowerCorp.

If you want the truth in any situation…follow the money.