HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO ANYTHING HAVE YOU!!

Alright genius, let’s hear the litany of charges!

…lol…

Chirp, Chirp, Chirp!!! sounds of silence!!

Depends? How crude and disrespectful. If you live long enough you may have to wear them yourself.

I guess that just “Depends”, now doesn’t it!

Doc Franklin–Yes, it just “Depends.” I stand by my comment. I am not a person that will “back down” to anyone or anything.

And that is useful?

I will ALWAYS condemn ignorance on either side, but you can not address it with hate.

Ian Burton, did you open the link and view the content?
The content is very useful and exposes the hypocrisy of the very same people crying “foul” who have been accusing Palin, the Republicans, Tea Party and conservative as being hateful and advocating violence.

Every liberal/progressive needs to take a long look at that information as a reminder of who they really are. Maybe then, we might start seeing a little more civility but I’m not holding my breath while I’m waiting.

Not again Jeff!! You love shooting yourself in the foot. Is this the 6th time now??Both Sides spew bile;are you ever going to understand that or do you have a learning disability?? Back to Glenn Beck: Joked about poisoning Pelosi,would condone murder of Michael Moore,and has openly endorsed violent revolution. Now we don’t want to get into Ann Coulter and all the other loose lips now do we. It’s both sides Jeff! Now do you get it?? or are you just enthralled with spreading more manure over and over and over!

eddie, Polly want a cracker? bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

That’s what I figured more manure and silliness.

eddie, read it and weep…
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

If you get any denser Jeff they’ll have to make a brick wall out of you. At least you’ll be of some use.

Brilliant. Eloquent. The output of an obviously formidable and probing mind.

Jeff – well said, was thinking similar thoughts.

Joe H., God bless you. Your son is very lucky to have you as his father.

I can remember how certain nasty liberals started attacking Palin and her children on this website way back when. Everything and anything they could make up they’d post. It was despicable and very personal, without any knowledge except what the media told them. It really opened my eyes to the deep hate that can overcome some people, particularly the liberals.

Joe H. Although I don’t know you, I have tremendous admiration for the parents of handicapped and special needs children. The investment of time, money and emotion is immense. Not only does it bring you much heartache, it also brings a special joy that only a parent of such a child can truly understand. It takes a unique and dedicated person to provide the care that these children must have. I can’t help but think of Kim Peak and his father, what a special bond they have. Neither could enjoy life without the other. You will have many days ahead filled with pain and joy. I sincerely pray that God will bless you, your child and your family in an exceptional way and that all of your hopes and dreams for your child come true.

Works very well in Switzerland. The anti-gunners conveniently forget this!

Wonder why when we have the good results of a real large-scale social experiment to display?

There was a cartoon a while back, of a village where everybody was armed. A newspaper reporter was asking how they could allow this, with all the trouble it would cause?

The reply was, “Who would start trouble in here?”

Too true to be funny, too.

The Oklahoma bombing was precipitated by events which are never mentioned by the left.Why is that?I do not condone mass killings but I dont condone mass idiocy either.Thats what you get from the media and the press,mass idiocy….when will people look between the lines of the newspaper and wake up?Sheesh!

No, We were kept in the dark on many occasions under G Bush and he pulled the wool over our eyes a few times. The American people begged Bush to be more transparent and open. He was neither. I agree Obama doesn’t need to be in the limelight so much. You don’t have to agree with him but at least he let’s you know it’s coming.

eddie,
Yeah wright! Just like “I guess we’ll have to pass it to see what’s in it”! just like all those closed door meetings after he promised that they would be on CNN!!! Gee, my TV must not have been working that day!! sorry dude, I don’t fertilize my garden till about March!! Send me that BS then!!

Joe H., eddie is 1/2 right(err..left), Pelosi did say the “we’ll have to pass it…”comment.

BUT and it’s a big BUT…Obama did promise transparency AND lied and: Addressing President Barack Obama at the GOP retreat Friday, Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, asserted that the president reneged on a campaign promise to broadcast all health care debates on C-SPAN.

Bottom line: While many hearings and debates have been broadcast, key informal conference committee discussions – where any deal between the House and Senate will ultimately be brokered – are not open to the public or media, giving credence to Chaffetz’s assertion.
-CNN’s Emma Lacey-Bordeaux

see obama/C span make this promise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Api4fUziAnI

Obama is about as honest and truthful as John Gotti was, no wait, I think Gotti was more honest.

That was Pelosi who said that Joe. You need to get your facts straight before inserting shoe!

eddie,
If he didn’t agree with it, then why didn’t he correct her on something as important as his healthcare(?) act???

DOC, YOUR PATHETIC!!!

Evil DOES exist in this world., and true theologians accept that tenet. As long as Satan rules this world, and until Christ returns to claim his property (he holds the deed) on earth, Satan will use anything and everything to blind, deceive and twist the truth until you can’t recognize it. Intellectualism has nothing to do with it. That’s why it’s called a “spiritual war”.

There’s no such thing as Satan!

Karolyn:

Then, we’ll have to disagree. The presence of Satan in people is the absence of God in them.

Since you’re a self-professed pagan, why am I not surprised by that notion?

Val – I have never professed to be a pagan. Where did you get that from? Just because I don’t believe in your concept of God? Open your mind a little. And why would you care if I were a pagan? What’s it to you?

That’s his favorite trick, making suckers believe he doesn’t exist. Sucka !!

Then he’s really gotten to you, Gunner, the way you talk!

Sucka? I think that word could be applied to a lot of people, left or right.

1 Corinthians 1:28,NLT “God chose things despised by the world(thats you Ian, the reference to the world,not the despised part!),things counted as nothing at all,and used them to bring to nothing what the world (again you Ian)considers important.

The world is possessions, attachment to things that are far from God. It is true that one COULD view the world as evil, in so far as it is not God, but it is truly distance from God that is sin (the idea of Evil in the face of God assigns a value judgment, and as God is wholly transcendent, there is only Him). To suggest that I am one driven by this world, I will not refute this, I have struggled with things but I am trying each and everyday to detach and reach solidarity closer to God, and frankly I don’t feel like I need to answer myself any further to you.

Read the Old Saints and Masters, Nicholas of Cusa, St. Francis, St. Augustine, St. Aquinas, and ESPECIALLY Meister Eckhart. I am truly sorry that you feel the need to express so much hatred, because that is in-and-of-itself attachment to this world. Remove images from your psyche and learn that there is only love Mr. Fonda.

Sounds pretty “new agey” to me. Read the Bible and know God. You can’t possibly know Him any other way.

ValDM,

You are right on. Ian is W A Y out in left field somewhere.

Val – One CAN know God without the Bible!

Val I said nothing about disregarding the Bible, it is a very necessary tool that I believe was given to us by God. I could liken to what I was simply stating that I, and a number of very well known Christian Saints and Masters, believe that one must empty themselves of this world and of their self, so that they can be filled with God.

There is nothing “New Agey” about what I said either, earliest person I cited was St. Augustine(~400CE) and the latest was Nicholas of Cusa(15th Century). Christianity in it’s base (Pre-Constantine) was a very different thing compared to the commercialism of Christ today.

And beside that point, I’m not sure how one could defeat all this anger and animosity towards one another after [hopefully] reading the bible and [hopefully] identifying themselves as good Christians. People are going to have disagreements, as I am having one with you now, but I would never want to become angry over it, as letting anger in is letting this world in.

Karolyn; that’s not God you’re knowing. Sucka !!

Ian burton,
” you must empty yourself of the world to truly know God”! Ok, then how do you know God if you are using a computer??? your computer is “of the world”!!

Joe – That made no sense to me.

karolyn,
I didn’t expect it would to YOU!

I can’t imagine it making sense to anybody but you Joe. It’s totally off the wall.

The “I hate Jane Fonda” is a reference to how our military has been treated by the scribes.I dont know Jane Fonda in reality,but I do know that she will collaborate with communists and disparage our soldiers…evidenced by her willingness to do so.The scribes…one hardly needs to wonder why Jesus had odds with them.Politicians,Actors,Lawyers,Journalists….all part of the caste of scribes.Ever notice they flock to anti-God sentiment?I have a feeling its easy to tell why.Big money has its benefits,as well as power I suppose…but to deny God…is madness.But who needs God when you control the minds of so many,right?

It just appears that liberals are more active than conservatives, never mind whether they are actors, actresses, lawayers, etc. Also, what Jane Fonda did was a long time ago; and I believe she thought what she was doing was right. Also, do you notice that it’s all the liberal actors and actresses who are donating their time and money to causes around the world? Or are the conservatives just hiding their light under a bushel?

Thank you Ian. Anger only hurts the one who’s angry. I know people like that, and they are pretty damned miserable.

There’s a boatload of anger floating around in alot of comments. Hope their ship doesn’t sink.

Perhaps it would do well to look at our own comments and see if we too, are promoting these things. Sometimes it’s difficult to face the reality.

libertytrain–I agree.

Claire & Liberty, Me too.

If you don’t believe there is evil in the world, go spend a couple of months in one of our prisons, and then tell us that again.

iF SO, THEN WHY DID SHE LOOSE THE ELECTION??

Because of the worthless horses patoot she ran with!!!

dID yOU MEAN “Lose” the election, genius? Didn’t they teach you the difference between lose and loose union boy?

OMG I thought we were rid of you after the thumpin’ the demoncrats took last November! Where have you been Smelly? Not that anyone missed ya.

point to Lewis Munn…one up!

Point it out Jeff for your loose lips are going to sink your ship. If you want to call someone a liar at least be man enough to back it up…..and not your old re-runs of Malkin again. Must be cartoon time for you kiddies. I can’t compete with your nasty remarks and I didn’t want to bring this up but you love playing the left right card. Glenn Beck on June 6th 2010 told his audience the only way to get rid of Obama and Pelosi is to shoot them through the head. I’ve heard others say the same thing about what he says so take your Malkin and put it where the sun doesn’t shine….and stop being a low life by trying to live off of right wing slime. What a pathetic shill! I’ve denounced the left wing garbage but you keep swimming in all the trash the right puts out.

eddie, you don’t like the facts so you name call and make things up to “suit your needs”. Did you not think I would research this comment from Beck? Did you insert the name Obama and Pelosi to suit your agenda?

“Glenn Beck on June 6th 2010 told his audience the only way to get rid of Obama and Pelosi is to shoot them through the head”

This is a bold faced lie, you know it and I know it…never said it, and yes, I read the transcript…on a progressive website so I could see it for what it was, then I went to the FOX archives and pulled up the complete transcript.

‘Glenn Beck’: Party’s Over for Democrats?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,594343,00.html#ixzz1BLaeQ600

OH eddie, You forgot to provide the Palin talk you mentioned she was responsible for…or did you not have any?
All of your hatefull name calling won’t make me stop correcting your mis-information…in case you hadn’t noticed.

Sorry Jeff I read it too and watched the video. I’m no fan of videos but the written script did back it up. You can claim whatever you want.

eddie, of course you’ll deny that you made that story up. Like I said, anyone can read the transcript, if it proves otherwise they can step forward. You still haven’t provided the “hurtfull” talk from Palin either.

Always trying to defuse the truth with your trashy lies aren’t you Jeff. You are worse than INSANE and you think you are so intelligent.Wrong again!

I read the whole transcript as well and found no such comment or even one you could bend and stretch and distort to make it appear that way. I have to cry foul. We’re dealing with pure unadulterated fabrication. That is really not surprising though, as one of the tenets of the Liberal/Marxist mindset is: “Why tell the truth when a lie serves the agenda?”

eddie, I’m still anxiously waiting for the examples of Palins “hurtfull talk”.

JeffH,
That’s the problem with eddie parrotting the progressive party line. When one does that and has nothing to back it up, there is going to be someone, sooner or later, that has watched or listened to what he is trying to BS his way through!!!

Laurie, that is a real pile of BS you are spouting. Anyone can see that it was political. Sarah cares for no one but Sarah. I think she should stay in Alaska and shut up.

wanda, maybe you could expand on your comment…show the truth. Oh, that’s right, you’re a hater, you wouldn’t know what truth is.
You want to see some truth…read it and weep!
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

Good post Laurie. You are 100% correct on that.

Laurie, You are so right. There is nothing she could have done that would have been correct according to the leftists. What they don’t like is she is a fighter. She comes back swinging. I like that.
They want her to shut up and go away. Well actually, they want all of us on the right to shut up and go away. The answer to that is a great big NO!
NO I will not shut up, NO I will not go away, and Praise God neither will she. We will stand up for what is right and good in this country and even fight for it if necessary.

Good post Nikita. That pretty accurately sums it up.

Nikita63; You are everything you complained about and then some. Over and over Personnel Liberty sets you up and attempts to move your rage into action. This is the 3rd article on Palin in a week so they keep the flames burning. It works every time and the vitriol is here 24/7 and is expressed in spades. You have exposed yourself to long term hatred and have ran with it and I see no signs of anyone letting up. Your extremely vicious attacks on Obama/Reid/Pelosi/Gore et al. shows the uncontrollable anger. Do YOU care about the numerous death threats against Obama? How about Gifford or Judge Roll? Some liberal commentators are puke but your rants are more extreme and just as dangerous as any right wing commentator.You complain about robber barons but history has shown them to be on that extreme right in political views.So are you “calling” out these pirate corporations that have permeated our landscape? When are you “mis-guided misfits” going to stop controlling the talk shows and spreading your verbiage? I think you are the one trying to revise history!

Why all the hate for Nikita, Eddie47d???? George Soros is certainly a left wing ideologue trying to destroy this country. Nothing right wing about him. There are right wing progressives like yourself Eddie. No doubt about that. But rich powerful left wing ideologues do not have the countries best interest in mind when they lobby Congress either. Regulations benefit bigger corporations as they squash free enterprise and force small businesses to go under.

Bruce D., eddie is just the board harpy spokesman for these Marxist/socialist/communist supporting hate spewing liberals.

Hey Jeff, Go post your Michelle Malkin videos again and again and again. Couldn’t the righties’ get it the first time. More of your propaganda from the propaganda master.

Well Bruce; I only repeated and answered what Nikita printed so if I’m “full of hate” then she must be giving us a double dose of it.

eddie, The “facts” cannot be “propaganda”. Have you even opened the link or are you afraid you might see something in it that you don’t want to see?

Stop feeding off of yourself Jeff I’ve known about Malkin for years and that has nothing to do with my response to Nikita’s line of crap. Are you sure cancer cells aren’t eating away at that mind of yours? Maybe your plumbing has backed up?

eddie, I’m quite sure that should we ever meet you wouldn’t be so bold as you are with your name calling and hate. As for Malkin, can’t stand her because she “smacks” the liberal rhetoric straight down the drain doesn’t she.
That said, don’t you have some lies to tell your wife and kids, or do you only lie when you’re on the computer?

No lies Jeff, so there you go again lying about others lying. You are really creepy.

Wow! Really creepy? You just can’t decide huh?

Okay,You are extremely creepy! Is that better?

creepy definition: – unnerving through fear: unsettling because of causing fear, disgust, or uneasiness

Good try eddie but the Secrete Service has stated many time that obama gets no more death threats than other Presidents.

Nice try Ted;Wrong again ! So look it up. President G. Bush received 3,000 death threats every year for 8 years. President Obama has received over 10,950 death threats Per Year so far. You do the math.

eddie, a little research goes a long way. Ted got it right!

The number of reported threats rose from 2,400 in 1965 to 12,800 in 1969. According to some reports, President George W. Bush received about 3,000 threats a year, while his successor Barack Obama received about four times that many. This figure has been disputed by Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan, who says that Obama receives about as many threats as the previous two Presidents.(source-wikpedia)

There have been a few reports this year claiming that threats are up drastically, which the Secret Service has disputed. Ronald Kessler, published a book this year claiming threats were up by 400 percent. The Boston Globe, in a story on a Congressional Research Service report, said Obama was receiving an “unprecedented” number of threats, stretching the Secret Service’s resources.

“The threats are not up,” Sullivan said, adding that they receive about the same amount of threats against Obama as they did for presidents Clinton and Bush.

At the time of the latter report, Secret Service Ed Donovan said that although Obama received a large number of threats during his campaign and directly before and after his inauguration, the number of threats was comparable to the past two presidents.
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/secret-service-director-threats-against-obama-not-up.php

Jeff, I’ll stand by what I said and you can stand by what you said.

Sorry eddie, you can stay misinformed if you like, I’ve provided my sources to back up my post. That’s right, I forgot, you just make it up as you go.

Didn’t make a thing up which of coarse makes you the pathetic liar you have always been. Grow up dude.I search the web just like you and can think for myself, unlike you.

When you have no defense, name calling is your substitue.

eddie,
if you research, then why don’t you post your sources???? Because you can’t?

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

The definition of insanity is posting the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. You are truly INSANE!!

Definition of INSANITY.
in·san·i·ty noun in-ˈsa-nə-tē
a : extreme folly or unreasonableness
b : something utterly foolish or unreasonable
c : a deranged state of the mind usually occurring as a specific disorder (as schizophrenia)

Nikita,

Kudos for summing things up much better than I ever could have.

I’m currently reading the novel “Atlas Shrugged”, and I’m repeatedly blown away by the events in the story and how they parallel what’s happening now.

You can forget trying to reason with most of these pinko trolls, they will continue to fiddle while our great country burns.

That’s why I coined the name “NEROBAMA”.

The Left hates Sarah for the same reason they loved Clinton. Sarah is something they never will be; a good, wholesome, patrioic American. On the other hand Clinton is a low life degenerate, a true representative of his minions.

PURE GOBBLYGOOK!!

Right in whose eyes??? Yours, because you are soooo right, or right in her own eyes? Anyone getting the kind of slanderous and libelous attention she has, should ABSOLUTELY stand up and defend herself. I’m not so enamored of Sarah that I think she’s the cat’s patoot, but I abhor the way the left has ATTACKED her.

When did freedom of speech get assassinated? Since when does political discourse only flow in one direction? Since Barry and his (offensive word removed) took office, that’s when!! You socialistic, liberty haters need to hop on a slow-boat to communist China where you’ll be happier… actually ur pathetic lives are so empty, even socialism wouldn’t cheer u up.

I have to say you win the prize for the most hateful person on this site. You have even beaten 141, which is quite a feat. I have not heard anybody use so many vile hateful words on one topic since i started posting here, which is at least 6 months.

His comments are rather mild compared to many I’ve read although i41 is still king. It is rather bizarre that they make disparaging comments to tell us how the liberals make disparaging comments. They can’t see the forest through the trees. Which of coarse means everyone is shouting and no one is listening.

Damn, I thought I won the cookie. I guess I’ll just have to try harder or act like a liberal; whine, cry, and demand a recount till I win.

Damn!!! I thought I won the cookie.
I guess I’ll just have to try harder or act like a liberal; whine, cry, and demand a recount till I win.

Well Gunner,we definitely know you aren’t paying attention. LOL

wanda, prove where she is wrong, you halfwit, so u should shut up !!!

I believe tha these vitriolic liberal pundits are pissin into a fan, and its blowing back in their face.

How far the country has sunk? Really? The stock market has recovered, jobs are coming back, the auto loans worked and have been repaid, we have not been attacked on our soil…Obama’s policies have IMPROVED things, greatly, for all of us. Yes, unemployment is still too high..that will take time. I’d suggest a little patience, or should we begin demanding that the new proud House majority party fix everything by next week, too?
We are not scared of Sarah Palin. Her numbers are sinking and her book sales tanking due to her own efforts. She has nothing positive to offer. She hates half the country, a great trait in a President, huh? She is never wrong (shades of GWB) and takes advice from no one. She is afraid of the media, so afraid she refuses to be interviewed. So keep dreaming of a Palin in DC…that’s all it is, a very bad dream.

Judging by your post Sally is you that hates-not Sarah Palin. Jobs are not coming back and there was a successful terrorist attack at Fort Hood. When you give away three trillion dollars in two years their will be people who will benefit. The Federal Debt Clock projects Obama deficits to be 22 trillion by the year 2015 if he is allowed to continue what you think is good policy.

No Sally – We are not recovering. AS long as unemployment is still in tne MILLIONS of people – we are not recovering.

This mess started with CLINTON, was inherited by Bush who is also did nothing to FIX it. In 2 years – OBAMA has done nothing to FIX it.

What do you call the invasion from Mexico, so dangerous the President has had to maker parts of our country banned to US citizens?

Maybe this is just a minor “police action” too big for the whole US government to take care of and stop??

Sally, Sarah doesn’t hate half the country, she just disagrees with the liberal population of the left coast and the other reinforced bastions of liberalism. The liberals seem to have a monopoly on hate lately.

You seem rather pleased with how things have “turned around” so I won’t totally destroy your bliss by telling you everything (Oh, by the way, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain) but, the value of the dollar has dropped roughly 16% since the Messiah was sworn in, he has whizzed away $3.5 Trillion in the past 24 months and in spite of that, the real unemployment rate has climbed from 8% to just shy of 20%, inflation is running at over 10% in real terms on consumables and the family piggy bank (home equity) has evaporated due to average price deflation of roughly 40% nationwide and in some areas, it is considerably higher. By the end of 2011-2012, Deutschebank says at least 60% of home mortgages will be under water and the figure could reach 80%. Car and home sales are subterranean. Fuel prices have sky rocketed and could reach $4.50-5.00/gal by Summer. Of the miniscule number of jobs that have been “created”, their average cost was approximately $285,000/each. Bond prices are on the precipice and in real danger of collapse and the stock market appears way overbought and the Dow could fall to the 9000 level by the end of the 2nd quarter of 2011. You will likely see massive inflation in food prices throughout the remainder of the year. bottom line, things aren’t remotely as blissful as you’ve been led to believe. I hope your job pays exceedingly well, because you’re going to need it. Just for comparison, the unemployment during the Bush years averaged around 4.7%.

You sound like one of those individuals Wanda that should be pulled in for a 72 hour evaluation.

I agree Bruce D. and there is a few others, to many to name !!

Your jealousy and envy are impairing your ability to rationally cerebrate.

You really get off on propaganda don’t you. Does this distortion make you feel good??

It’s only natural that you would call this accurate record of progressive/liberal hate comments propaganda. I would like to think that no sane individual would want to be associated with such vitriol and hate and would try to play it of as just “propaganda”.

I suppose Obama is such a hero because of his beauty?

This is your brain on drugs. hint: don’t smoke dope and try to write a letter.

…correction, a conservative cannot be on the far right. That would be a far right “winger”, something conservatives are not. Oh, by the way, Giffords was a moderate Democrat or what some call a “Blue Dog” Democrat.

Ian B., I agree. There’s no evidence that Jared Loughner targeted Rep. Giffords because of her politics. He shot her because people were lining up to speak to her, while he had no friends left at all. He is a mentally disturbed person who was insanely envious of people like Gabrielle Giffords.

yes…uh huh,Just ignore the fact that he went straight to a politician and shot her.Oh,he’s insane because he targeted one of our “blue dog”(you see me throwing the qoutation fingers up?)Democrats.Wake up you morons.He was and likely still is pissed off at the progressives.Everyone with good sense is.You people could screw up a wet dream,and I have a for instance…California!But the truth is that since you cannot see it coming,it will probably happen again.You are in what the addicts call a state of denial.But who do you choose to direct your spite at?A woman.That shows what cowards you really are!There was a time in America when I thought people like you had backbones….what a farce it all is.You have to pick on Mrs.Palin because you cant stomach the idea that someone who could kick your ass,might possibly have something to say.So you jump on the liberal coward bandwagon,and point the finger at her.You people are pathetic to the core.I wouldnt urinate on you if you were on fire.Nothing but contempt here folks for these progressive idiots….something they well deserve.My home state of California has been decimated by these charlatans,who claim to want to “progress”.Tiny minded wipers of other peoples bottoms,is what they are.Worthless to the bone.Is that scatheing enough for you progressove powder puffs?

And please correct me if I am incorrect, but you really couldn’t be suggesting that he was politically motivated, it will happen again and for good reason because everyone with sense is upset with progressives?

Again Sir, I must IMPLORE you to realize that politics isn’t a dichotomy, there isn’t just the “right” and “progressives”. If anything more moderation in politics is needed and veiled rhetoric isn’t conducive toward the democratic process, cooperation is.

Engage each other with civility and the politics is sure to follow.

Excellent, to the point, and very accurate post.

Why do you think that politics isnt the reasoning for this man to start shooting?He walked directly up to a politician and shot her. If he isnt pissed off at politicians then he shot this one by accident?He didnt start out with just anyone in the crowd.Hello…. Your issue is that you lsten to the media spout what its told to say by the FCC.Narrow-minded folks do exactly just that.What you need to do is to understand that government is not the end-all-be-all of our nation.We dont like govenment intrusion on everything we do.We dont want their imbecilic laws.We dont want them to become all-powerful.We dont want them telling us what we should or should not do.We dont like Big Brother Sam I am!I felt the need to break this down so even you can understand it…hence the Dr.Suess reference.We have a referendum in this nation,right now.We can either contiue thinking like you do…tantamount to extinction,or we can do what we always did best which is to think outside the tiny box which you have reserved for your limited intelligence.This is a adult problem,so sit your infantile concepts back and let the grown-ups do the math.What we surely do not need is for slack-jawed idiots to keep treating us like mushrooms,a condition that the current power elite tries to perpetuate.Take it from an independent source here folks,he shot a politician because he was tired of the games he saw them playing with everything.Ignore this at your own political peril!

He shot a politician because he had a weird fascintion for THIS PARTICULAR politician. He had been stalking her. What about this do most of you not get about this incident?????

i don’t like jane either, and i agree with you 100 % !!!

Reasoned responses rarely come from the agenda-driven progressives.

Most progressives have a terminal case of rectal cranial inversion.

When the left becomes civil, we will join them. Don’t hold your breath … it ain’t a gonna happen anytime soon.

I have not read a reasoned response here yet. Only liberal rhetoric.Same as I have been listening to for over 6 years. Just more ignorant B.S..

Ignorance is when you have not learned anything, stupid is when you ar not capable of learning anything. Many progressives are dumb turkeys, and most of the rest are ignorant idealogues.

Well said…..

Very good point.

He isn’t talking so how can you say he said he does not watch TV, most likely BS

Delores, it was an alleged friend of Loughners that made that statement in an interview.

A high school friend of the accused gunman dismissed speculation that Loughner’s alleged rampage was sparked by political passion.

“He did not watch TV, he disliked the news,” Zach Osler said. “He didn’t listen to political radio, he didn’t take sides, he wasn’t on the left, he wasn’t on the right.”

Osler said that Loughner was angry at the world.

“He wasn’t shooting people, he was shooting at the world,” the friend said.

JeffH–Thank you for your post. Finally, someone (You) has the decency to post what is accurate. Neither party had anything to do with this murderer’s rampage. He is a classic nutjob just like the Ft. Hood shooter.

Nice spin Wanda.

wandamurline, and those are the facts of the matter…without the liberal spin!

Now it’s a double spin with Jeff’s input! Must be a Conservative dance step.

You’re right, only it’s call the “Liberal Stomp”, something that Michelle Malkin does regularly!

She gets paid the big bucks to do that. Why don’t you sign up, for that is right up your alley.

eddie, Thank You, I’ll take that as a complimant although I’m sure you meant it as a snub.

JeffH,
I wonder how many liberal politicians could go through the intense investigation by the media, the police, and detectives that Sarah went through, have that many charges levied against them and come out as clean as she did??? Of all the trumped-up charges she had levied against her in court, she was found innocent of all except one misdemeanor!!! I really wonder if Nobama could do the same????

I believe that Obama, under his own signature and writings, has freely admitted to marijuana and cocaine use, which is a felony in most states, especially at the time he did it. Who the hell vetted him for his security clearance? It must have been Barney Fife.

Joe H., you just made a good point, something that is convieniently overlooked by the lamestream media altogether.

Oh, before any of you start calling Malkin a sham, I’ll note that she tears you guys apart daily and she ain’t your friend…so have at it. Your negative comments will only reinforce the facts of the matter presented above.

That’s what happens when the media is on the other side, selective and biased reporting

Nah, as a Conservative, according to the Liberals, I have no heart, nor any brains, so I should never be killed by anything!

The liberals will have to start calling TARGETS, “VISUAL SIGHTING AIDS”.

Sally . You are stupid. Beck and Bill have brainwashed you. Stop watching Fox.

Hey Wanda – your STUPIDITY is showing – you addressed your comment to SALLY – who is on YOUR SIDE

The Progressives are SO STUPID – they cannot even read!

Right on Laurie!!

Can any politician use common sense when they talk? Dang few.

Democrats in those days are the Republicans of the South today. They were not Republicans then because they hated Lincoln for his stances on slavery. Check the years the switch from Democrat to Republican took place in the South, and what took place during those years.

Palin’s popularity is sinking because of what she says and how she says it – nothing more, nothing less.

On the basis of recent speeches, there is no contest on civility. Like him or not, Obama hit it out of the park with respect to decency and civility – you can’t do better than he did.

Yeah Skip:
I can understand how you see it the way you do. Sure,Obama does give a good speech, no argument on that issue.
Incidentally, I suppose it has dawned on you that his speech was intended to be given for the sake of the families of the shooting survivors and those mourning the losses of loved ones.
That being the case, why make a campaign appearance out of the crisis, so as not to waste an opportunity? Why arrive four days after the fact to a jammed auditorium of screaming, demonstrating, Obamaites, wearing pre-printed tee shirts with a common Obama motto on them?

And, what of the “civility” that Obama seemed to endorse? Have his news media boosters and his people in Congress gotten his message?
Or, do they all understand that the whole thing was a facade, a publicity stunt, a less than half-hearted attempt to appear concerned? And, last but not least, how come that stellar Democrat Party booster, Sheriff Dupnik, is still spouting his uncivil accusations when actually, he ought to be cited for malfeasance in office? That shooter, completely apolitical by the words of all those who know him,was stalking Ms. Giffords, by this Sheriff’s own admission, for three years. Yet, no police protection was provided her for a shopping mall appearance?

I suppose you’d call such a session respectful, dignified,and solemn.
Or, was it more necessary and timely for Obama to kick-off his next campaign there?

The “campaign”-like atmosphere of Obama’s speech in Tucson was, by all accounts, created by an over-zealous college audience. Obama did a remarkable job at maintaining gravitas in light of that atmosphere. No brainer, friend.

this is in reply to ship of fools:
College kids? Wee must not have seen the same thing, unless your idea of college kids are “kids” over 30. Some of them WAY over 30.

This comment is not just for Stan Lee. This applies to everyone!
You Democrats keep talking about degrees and a degree doesn’t make a man! Where I come from it’s common sense! You can’t take a military scholar and put him in battle because he’ll get killed! He has yet to develop common sense!….that’s why he he goes thru intense training before hitting the battlefield!
If you listen to Glenn Beck you’d learn more than any Liberal school would have taught you! These people are for real….no mater their schooling….they have common sense!
I learned a long time ago what the Liberal Democrats were doing to our America! I haven’t voted Democrat sense Kennedy!
Chris Mathews is a educated idiot! He went to one of our famous Liberal colleges that don’t teach anything except Liberalism as with most of the other idiots!
Look at Sebelius, she bragged about knowing more than other people because she had a “degree” ! She’s from Kansas and I know her actions! If I were her, I don’t think I would be bragging about my education!
You talk about the journalist in the news! Our Liberal Journalist go out and make the news and then give their slanted views! That’s not what a real journalist does…..listen to Sara Palin, she had training and said they were all wrong in the way the news was reported!
Obama killed two birds with one stone at the shooting memorial! He did present a good speech but Where else could you combine memorial services with campaigning? Obama has been I campaign mode ever sense his slipping into office!
The Democrats will follow all the stupid tactics that they do so well because that is all they have for their defense! Whats bad is that the Republicans have to correct everything the Democrats do to keep America safe and out of the hands of the criminals! When they (Republicans) could be working on other things to improve America!
George Soros has gotten rich with his Liberal,Marxist views! Now he’s trying to take America down like he did with other countries! Talk about “cross-hairs, bulleye’s and ect. he is elgible for anything or all the above!
When it comes to Fox News, there is no other. That’s why thit ratings are so high! You see, Fox News reports the truth! Even if it’s not Conservative! The other news people only report on their biased Liberalized slant of the news.
Degrees are made to frame and put up on the wall! It’s like a Doctors license to practice medicine….it doesn’t make him a doctor! It takes years of training as a person before he gets his common sense! Common sense, you don’t frame and put up on the wall!
And this part about Abe Lincoln, why are the blacks against him now? Don’t they know which side of their bread is buttered? Abe did a lot for the abolishing of slavery in America and now they ignore what he did for them! That’s really bad, they went with the Liberals because it was an easy way out! We do have a few Conservative blacks and thank God for that! Obama could have really made a good name for himself and the black movement if he would have been Conservative instead of Socialist! I could go on and on but I’m just an old man voicing my opinion!!!

What would you rather see or hear, President Obama giving comfort to the people of Tucson, AZ. or while in DC speacker John Boehner and the G.O.P are having COCKTAILS. no matter what positive Pres Obama and Democrats do or not do the cons-ervative/republicans will find something nagative to do or say against. When ever any of you or the tea party wants to talk trash you’ll junp in freedom speech wagon last time i remember free speech was for all. But the tea party is the exception to the rules they be running around like white bunnies with their assault rifles, portraying Pres Obama like hitler and the joker words have consequences something half governor Sarah Palin should know a thing or two about words like Blood label or as she like to say dont retreat reload here’s a good one crosshair she calls it a bullseye to add icing to the cake, and if was not plain enough Sarah Palin had to use by name Rep Gabriel Gifford and state, and other Democrats. If Cheney can get away with shooting a person on the face and not even have a investigation. Palin has nothing to worry about. Had a democrat even farted made sound like a shot you fairies would be running around like a chicken with out heads calling them every name in the book. But it’s okay when you fairies do it because you guys have God on you side oh lets not forget and country!! you can lead a horse to water but you can’t get it to drink that falls through with you fairies, we can lead you to the truth and i know is hard when you only have half a brain, and you need Fox (opinio) news 2nd and 3rd person to tell you fairies who, what, where, when and why. But we free thinker tried any way we try to tell you that you are being craped on by you party, lied by Fox. The republicans party are running on dust bunnies they have nothing but lies they know the Public option is not passing it is only waste of time and tax payers money it’s a fairy feel good to you they voted they kept their promise. The difference between Huffington Post, Rachel Maddow and others they point out the lie’s of ($35M)Glenn Beck, ($22M)Sean Hannity, and (tokyo Rose) ($58M)Limbaugh they are paid BIG BUCKS to pass misinformation because they know their listeners dumb shits. Why you think Sarah Palin goes to fox. With all said and done it make’s no F#*&KING different, you fairies a bunch of dumb shitshead. Eight year of Bush what good did he do??? what did he do for you?? He cost me $3000 a year more in taxes. the price fuel went up food, health, car, house insurance they all went up, loss of jobs under bush. Why would anyone want to go back to republican rule? It’s dumb, you fairies are dumb.

Stan Lee says:
January 21, 2011 at 9:20 am

Sorry Stan the families and the victims didn’t see it your way nor did most of the country. Just spin from you!!

Who cares
Some times I wounder who the elite are dont you?
One of the great myths of the left is that socialism is a movement of the people, the working classes, or the poor. In fact — as Frederick Hayek pointed out long ago — all socialist movements are the creation of intellectual elites, liberally pollinated by millionaires. Karl Marx was the kept intellectual of factory owner Frederick Engels; Bill Ayers, a leader of the terrorist cult called the Weatherman, was a scion of the American upper class; Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor of The Nation, is a multi-millionairess; Michael Moore, leftwing propagandist, is a multi-millionaire who has profited handsomely from the “struggle.” The Leftwing Millionaires Club is a very incomplete list designed to illustrate this point and to serve as a reminder that everything is not always what it appears. (Text: Frederick Hayek “The Intellectuals and Socialism,” in Hayek, Socialism and War, University of Chicago Press, 1997)

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skip-py, “Palin’s popularity is sinking because of what she says and how she says it – nothing more, nothing less.”

Naw skippy, Palin never will be popular because the Marxist run media attacks destroyed her in ’08 and the “majority” still believe what the leftist lame stream media has been telling them for two years. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ship of Fools:

Well, Ship old boy, a considerate-thinking President would not have held a memorial service for mourners at a loaded college auditorium.
But, once there, with all the adulation he got from those mass-printed, tee shirt clad “college kids,” Mr. Obama could have beckoned them to quiet down and be respectful of the occasion.

He didn’t…he saw only one thing, votes! The man’s all about himelf.

Jeffy Boy,

Y’all jis don’t git it, does y’all? Y’all must be a dum ol’ yankee. If’n days more of y’all CONservatives dan days of us’ns, why dos it matter what the media critters says or writes ’bout Po Ol’ Sarah, the CONservative talk show media ho? All y’all CONservatives is jist what the first three alfabit things say y’all is – CONs. Y’all got bunchs of dat ol’ mule feces stuff in y’alls noggins dat runs outta y’alls traps, but y’all ain’t got none of dat gray stuff dat y’alls posta use ‘fore y’all shoot off y’alls trap. Git it? I’m sorry fer y’all.

First try using spell check. Obviously you have no substance to your argument or you wouldn’t have started you response with an Elementary school name calling rant. Chris Mathews, Keith Olberman, and Rachel Maddow all have COLLEGE DEGREES. Keith Olberman has a degree in Journalism and Rachel Maddow is a Rhodes Scholar. Your icons, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck have NO degrees. Those three think you spell it “Road Skoler”. Please Please Please nominate Sarah as your standard bearer for 2012. I love a slam dunk.

Ah another better than you person who believe a degree is tantamount to success or honesty. IN all honesty I don’t listen to any of these people because they are not journalists anymore. A good journalist reports the news, does not incite people, does not twist things to suit their purpose. A good journalist does not ever put their personal opinion into an article. They are honest, non-biased and fair in their reporting. These type of journalists have been dead a long time, ever since the elites took over the broadcast and paper news through mergers and aquisitions.

Sprock seems to believe a degree makes you intelligent. There was a test on the internet two years ago to see if one was smarter than President Obama. Well, according to the test, I am and with only two years of college. In the school for senior non commissioned officers, I scored higher on exams than three who had masters degrees and 27 others who had three or more years of college. If you have a degree and an IQ less than 130 and no common sense, I believe it doesn’t make you more intelligent than one with no degree with an IQ of 130 and common sense. Why are the ratings of the people you love going down. Could it be the American public is tired of listening to their twisted views?

Unfortunately, our institutions of higher learning are more interested in teaching the propaganda of the left than educating our students.

meteorlady,
You are confusing journalists with commentators. Olberman, Rush, Shultz and Beck are paid to provide their opinion. The difference come into play when people like Hannity, who stresses his position as commentator whenever he is assailed for distorting the facts, then turns and tells us that we need go nowhere else to hear all the news of the day. Also, contrast the experience of Limbaugh or Beck to that of Chris Matthews or Lawrence O’Donnell. The latter two have years of working alongside leaders in our government, while the former two are a DJ and a comedian. The opinions of commentators can be of value in learning the facts in any case, but you need to be aware of the knowledge and the agenda of those you are listening to.

I agree. I think it used to be called “Yellow Journalism”, when rather than reporting facts, personal biases were included to slant the news. “All the new we print to fit” approach.

And the vociferous hollering of those who seem to be Liberals shows that the truth hits home, and hurts.

kinetic,
Now you BELITTLE commediens while a while back you were touting the virtues of a certain elected official that was a commedien!!!

I find interesting that there are those here so obsessed with how poor it is that we get our news from commentators like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity. I don’t listen to all of them, but if you listened you would actually hear them decry what a shame it is that you get more honest news from them too!!! And why is that, because the people here that state that journalists all too commonly are not really journalists anymore, well, they are speaking the truth.

Take for example, the recent shooting of Gifford. How many articles and statements included, “there is no evidence” and then proceeded to condemn the vitriol of the commentators on radio as well as Sarah Palin for inciting people like this young man to violence. Is that reporting? No evidence is reporting? That is the sad state of journalism.

I work with computers. There is an expression. “Garbage in. Garbage out.” The same thing applies to humans. If all we learn is garbage, then all we will regurgitate is garbage in our thinking. While it possible to change course, how many abused in childhood become abusers as adults? How many that saw their parents cheat in their marital relationships will do the same to their own spouses? There are many that beat these cycles, but you may find a common theme that at some point the “garbage in” had to be rewritten, removed, and/or replaced.

So what of those college degrees? If our journalists and politicians are any sort of litmus test for how much “garbage in” they are getting, then I would agree that they are worthless. In fact, I talked to an executive once who said that when he chooses college candidates over the uneducated like myself (he was trying to encourage me to finish my degree) is because it speaks of commitment to finish a project to the end. The degree itself was only minimally worthwhile. Most of the time they have to re-train the individual anyways, building upon what they learned in their degree and helping them “unlearn” what would detrimental to the job.

With apologies to no-one, and a very clear statement that I am neither GOP nor Dem, let me point out as kindly as I can that there is not one honest politician in either house! Nor is there an honest, unbiased journalist reporting on matters emanating from either house or the Whitehouse!
Fact: All politicians receive donations from either the corporate world, the unions or both. The donors don’t do so for nothing, they want a serious return on their investment. BO has disappointed many, so guess what? Millions of dollars is pouring into GOP campaign coffers from corporate & insurance interests. In the US it’s called donations. In any other situation it would be called what it is – bribery and corruption. On both sides of politics folks, America is for sale to the highest bidder. None of them are honest. Period.
Fact: In any business, the owner never employs anyone who doesn’t agree with their ethos, therefore, liberal media owners (like CNN) employ liberal trained ‘journalists’ (I use the term very lightly), who are well trained in putting a liberal bent on every story, while appearing to present both sides. Conservative media (like Fox) employ conservative ‘journalists’ to do the same thing from the other side of the coin.
Like the politicians, there is not one honest, unbiased ‘journalist’ reporting anything these days. No journalist presents an open, honest appraisal of both sides of any issue. By simple but devious acts of emphasis or omission, they all subtly convince the public that their presentation of the issue is ‘correct’.
It then falls to you and me, the public, to display our own integrity by searching out the truth for ourselves. By that I mean not just reading or viewing material from one side, but investigating every available source of information on a subject, so you can find the real truth somewhere in the middle of all the spin and hype.
Folks, both sides rely heavily on the fact most Americans won’t bother to do that. Most citizens act more like sheep than intelligent human beings unfortunately. An old adage says, “2% of people think; 3% of people think they think, and 95% of people would rather die than think”. This is what politicians and the media (all of it) rely on.

Sprock…..Some of us “read the books” and some of us “write the books”. Without getting long winded and boasting about my own qualifications let me remind you to check your history. You’ll find that many so-called “geniuses” had “no degrees”! Sounds like the best use of your degrees is for toilet paper.

Being a Rhodes Scholar does not mean you have any intelligence.
C

Bill Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar – yet did not know that ORAL SEX had anthing to do with SEX or infidelity..

Huh?

“Laurie, Haslet, TX says:
January 21, 2011 at 10:07 am

Being a Rhodes Scholar does not mean you have any intelligence.”

Well please tell us what it does mean Laurie.

bob wire,
It could mean that he is just an educated idiot. Being educated does not guarantee common sense, which most of these supposed highly educated people lack.

Yeah, He’s real smart, isnt he, oral sex even has sex in the name. So what does all his education mean, he still not to smart!!

I’m quite sure Olbermann, Maddow, etc. spent their college time experimenting with the “brown acid”. They make me ashamed of my higher education.

sorry buddy,

but I think not, ~ people that have used much acid, tend to think slower and say, ugh? da? a lot.

Limbaugh?

Don’t even mention Limbaugh’s name. Yuck!!

A Rhodes Scholar is a socialist. If you doubt me, look into the hsitory of Cecil Rhodes, who started this mess. He was one of the most influential men to promote socialism and communism of both the 19th and 20th centuries.

My favorite professor in college was a devout christian and a true conservative… oh ya she was also a Rhodes Scholar

“ValDM says:
January 21, 2011 at 10:50 am

A Rhodes Scholar is a socialist.”

Could very well be. ~ A Rhodes Scholar is someone that has applied themselves in discipline of thought and can absorb and assimilate data and information well beyond what might be considered “common”.

They are to be despised and hated by any Tea Party crowd that’s mind works primarily off the sense of smell.

If she was a devout Christian, she must have thrown over her “indoctrination” from being a Rhodes Scholar. You can’t serve two masters. Incidentally, Kris Krisofferson (you know, the country singer/songwriter) was also a Rhodes Scholar……….what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?? At least, he didn’t get on the politcial stump and tell us he knew how to run our lives better than we do.

Bob Wire. The better the olfaction, the higher the IQ. One of the earliest signs of impending dementia is the loss of smell. You were serendipitously correct. Thanks for the compliment, and for admitting what we already knew, that we are intellectually superior to the anosmic liberal.

Sprock:

“People who live in glass houses….” Talking of “name-calling rant,” the TV commentators you named, all with college degrees (which seems so important to you)lead their profession in character assassination and name calling. Ergo, the fact that all three of them, lumped together, don’t compete with one show rating of the same type on Fox News. The Fox News audience certainly isn’t all Republicans, therefore an audience in such record-setting numbers has to be looking for far more than what Matthews, Maddow, and Obermann give them.

Stan Lee,
The comic book link seems apropos. Estimated readership of Newsweek magazine, 1.5 million. Estimated readership of The National Enquirer, over 9 million. Quality of content can not be measured by ratings.

Sprock, another “intelligent liberal” who actually believes a “degree” automatically put you above everyone else. Seems to be another “myth” the left takes pride in. The “You’re all ignorant and I’m not because I’m better educated” syndrome. Ah, and spell check…yea, you’re also the grammar and spelling cop too! That’s all the argument you can make? By the way, just showing your support for the “alphabet” morons at MSNBC speaks volumes about your education…book smarts and not an ounce of common sense!

I didn’t even use spell check either…imagine that.

Ted Kaczynski had a PHD sprock. It didn’t make him very intellegent! He clearly lacked any sembelence of common sense

and any one of the three you named is smarter than all of those educated idiots you named combined

Mr P,
Have you ever actually watched Rachel Maddow’s show? She is among the most even tempered folks on TV. Just the other night she devoted almost half of her show to a very pleasant interview with Michael Steele. And I have never seen Olberman resort to the levels of hate commonly seen on Glen Beck’s show. All these claims of left wing hate talk are just another example of the Carl Rove play book; attack the oppositions strengths and blame them for everything you yourself have done.

As for your claims about the KKK, anyone who has studied the history of the parties knows that both parties were vastly different 100 years ago. At the time of the KKKs founding, Southern Democrats were a very powerful segment of the party. In 1860 the issue of slavery split the Democratic party between those in the north and those in the south, each of whom nominated their own candidate for president. This split lead to the election of Republican Abraham Lincoln.

Following the Great Depression, the divide between the Democrats reached a peak, and the conservative constituency of the South, angered by the progressive agenda of FDR either retired, or in many cases left to join the Republican party. To quote a passage from wikipedia “Under FDR, the Democratic Party became identified more closely with modern liberalism, which included the promotion of social welfare, labor unions, civil rights, and the regulation of business. The opponents, who stressed long-term growth and support for entrepreneurship and low taxes, now started calling themselves “conservatives.”

Jump forward to the 60s where a new Democratic party, lead by Harry Truman advanced a platform of civil rights, which drove the Southern Democrats to form the Dixicrats. This is followed by Nixon’s “southern strategy” to bring the conservative southern voter, now disenfranchised by their parties move towards civil rights into the Republican party.

So can you see the future now? Can you see how useless it is to try and compare the Parties of even 50 years ago to todays? The old Republican party made some great leaps in the civil rights movement, but that is not the Republican party of today.

Robert Byrd democrat and KKK member

That was also more than 60 years ago. Time to move on.

Whoa….nice civility you guys show in this place. A friend turned me onto this place last week, and now, without warning or comment, his replies are not published…seems censorship is alive and well in a place that calls itself a free discussion area. Must be a conservative version of free discussion. So I’ve decided to carry the flag.

Sally is absolutely correct and stated a well written opinion.

Overall, Palin is an empty head. She is not suited for any office other than perhaps President of her local PTA. She has built up her image where she has cashed in making millions (which was the reason she resigned her governorship no matter what her superficial reasons were. She knew her time to make millions had come).

Getting back to civility. If any moderate or liberal responded with such language, it is certain they’d be kicked off this site. The censorship has been done already with at least three moderates…and their replies and comments are nowhere near the childishness displayed today alone.

Have a nice day and we can chat soon.

Am guessing your “friend” perhaps has gotten caught up in automatic spam for words that may be inappropriate or perhaps attacked in a way covered by the rules of this site. You know better than anyone just from reading this site, all sides are represented.

libertytrain,
how much you want to bet his “friend” is dogma free and dogma free too??

I think you might win the bet.

I couldnt agree more Mr. P!!!

And what “LIES” did she blindly state miss Laurie? And the fact that you use the term “progressives” interchangeably with any form of liberalism shows that you probably are not very well versed in the multiple FACETS of political ideology. There isn’t just “us” and “them”, nothing is black and white, and we should return to a moderation in our political discourse.

And Laurie, you challenged Sally to watch Fox to learn the truth; I challenge you to read some Pol. Sci. articles that are peer-review and published in a journal.

Where did I state that Sally was lying?

I never said you intend that Sally was lying directly, but rather stating or “..blindly following the LIES – do the research and FIND THE TRUTH!”.

You kind of missed the point, too many people feel that they “own” their opinion, or that the beliefs are like possessions, I was challenging you to see the fluidity in belief, but I fear it may have been to deaf ears.

Duh,Your whole article!

This is YOUR comment IAN
“And what “LIES” did she blindly state miss Laurie?”

you SAID that I said Sally was lying. I said the LEFT WING MEDIA is lying.

It takes an open mind to see the truth – to look at both sides of the argument apply common sense and see what is REALLY happening in our country.

And your comment about reading Political Science journals – what makes you assume I am NOT EDUCATED?

By the way the POL SCI journals are written by PROGRESSIVES.

And no being LIBERAL is not being a PROGRESSIVE as you seem to believe is my opinion.

Progressives assume they are the ONLY smart people and the rest of us are stupid so they have to tell us WHAT TO THINK.

Laurie, Haslet, TX…very good, I that was a “slam dunk”! These liberals, or should I say these supporters of the Marxist/socialist/communist ideology, are always making assumptions and take great pride in putting “words” in someone else’s mouth. As you can tell by the responses, they are quite “sensitive” about labels, especially the ones that fit!

I chose not to respond back, and I never intend to put words in her mouth, if that happened it wasn’t my doing. She was missing my point totally so I had given up. People statistically are more likely to receive their News from like-minded sources, which further alienates them from the middle. I often try to look at current events from all sides (ergo I’m here) and I was challenging to do the same.

But she has a believe that scholarly reviewed sources are controlled by “progressives” as they are known so there was no use for me to continue trying to engage her in a civil discussion.

Ian,
The leftist leaning group are calling themselves Progressive. It is the “New Term”. By any name they are liberal, they are socialists, and embrace the communists among them. They want to change our country from its Standards and turn us into a Socialist country.
Most of us do comprehend what is going on, some choose not to see it.

Modern liberalism is a leftist and nihilistic rebellion against the inherently unequal nature of the human condition. If we conservatives named this ideology for what it is, we would have a fair chance to defeat it or at least stem its advance. But if we go on imagining that leftists are liberals who share with us a common moral consensus as Americans—if we continue to regard their hateful assaults on us and our institutions as expressions of “silly” political correctness rather than of their fundamental drive to abolish our system of government and destroy us as a people, then we will be unable to oppose them in any way that counts, and they will keep driving us and our civilization backwards, step by step, until finally nothing remains. If we are effectively to oppose modern liberalism with its destructive double standards, we must oppose it on principle.

Dear jesus, please do not reproduce.

He did not reproduce anything but the ideas of truth and love and peace.

Contrary to what the Left usually says of Christianity.

But they will not listen, will they? Or research, either, lest the Truth make them free!

Laurie,
Please, Beck is the king of distortion. Just listen as he tries to re-write history. Join him as he and his mentor David Barton produce “facts” that prove Jefferson was a devout Christian! Pay no attention to the Jeffersonian scholars (you know, those folks who have actually devoted their lives to the study of Jefferson’s life?) who have debunked everything Barton has presented. This is a Christian nation, no matter what our founding fathers said! Fox has done a great job of providing content and commentators that reinforce what people WANT to believe, despite the facts.

Faux News… has been caught in so many deceptive journalistic practices it’s sad… but their sheep don’t notice ‘cuz it feeds them what they want to hear. I loved the Bill O’Reilly segment when he asked the atheist to explain the mystery of the tides. Bill: “Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can’t explain that.” (@1:51) Oh really O’Reilly? Most grade schoolers know that the tides are influenced by the gravitational pull of the sun and the moon… it has nothing to do with god. The tides are predictable… there are tables that are produced that KNOW when high tide and low tide will occur. YES, you CAN explain the tides and there’s no need for a ‘god’ to make the tides happen.
Watch the entire O’Reilly train wreck here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XEgkViLbTk&feature=player_embedded#!

Curtis, you’re reaaaaaalyyyy reaching with this one. LMAO! You can certainly do better than that.

The tides? Hah! Give me a break, the athiest promoting Silverman didn’t refute O’Reilly over that question, never attempted to. O’Reilly asked him to explain the tides in and out and he wouldn’t go there.

As for any gradeschooler answering the same question, I beg to differ. My nephews kids, 8 and 12 didn’t know the answer and their three freinds, same ages, didn’t know the answer. The wife didn’t know as well as two of the kids father. I’d say that a lot of people couldn’t answer that question without thinking long and hard, unless they were raised around tidal waters or boats.

Laurie, Right on tell it like it is!!

Democrats don’t fear Palin, they love her. They all want her to run for president to insure a landslide win for Obama.

Then why the constant attacks? Why the lies and hatred? Why even listen to her or give her publicity if she’s such a non-event?

Palin makes news, and news makes money. I don’t care to listen to her, but it’s difficult when everything she says is repeated 100 times a day in the media. And once you hear what nonsense she has spouted to day, it’s difficult not to comment.

Do I fear Sarah Palin? No. Do I fear that she is a symbol of our nations downward spiral towards uneducated jingoistic rhetoric taking the place of real news? You betcha!

Kinetic, She would be a lot better than that soci-commi in office now I fear for where our country will be in 5-10 years and feel sorry for my kids and everyone else’s!!!

Thanks for clarifying what liberal love is all about Bill. Most of us already felt that liberal loved evolved are deceit.

…liberal love evolves around deceit.

Bill
i bet the love for palin from you is running down your legs and is brown

Nothing intelligent to add? Well then just insult…..

marvin, you’ll have to ask Chris Matthews about that, that’s his line.

Of course CNN would publish that Palin’s popularity has dipped. This is what the left wants us to think.

Like Psalm 37:32 says, The wicked watcheth the righteous and seeketh to slay him. (They are trying to slay her with their words and evil portrayals.

Again though I am comforted because Psalm 37:12 -15 puts it so appropriately,

The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him (her) with his teeth 13. the Lord shall laugh at him, for He seeth that his day is coming. 15. Their sword shall enter their own heart and their bows shall be broken.
All of their accusations and rantings and ravings will get them nowhere in the end.

…And the people evil in their hearts will pay just as much attention now to those who speak truth as they did back then!

i’m so far right, i make reagan look like a commie, and i wouldn’t vote for palin for pta president. am i afraid of her? no, because i don’t think she has a snowball’s chance in hades of getting nominated for 2012. we, in texas, had a fabulous tea party gubernatorial candidate, debra medina. instead of coming here and supporting medina, palin threw her support to the rino incumbent rick perry. and glenn beck sabotaged medina on his show – he works with palin, you know. after he threw her under the bus, he even said on the air that he wanted to french kiss rick perry. but, no, he wasn’t helping his little buddy, perry. my big old fat white behind he wasn’t. i’ll never listen to his show or trust anything he says again.

Liberals tend to fear anything that could disturb their ideas. I have noted that since grade school days. They cover it, but I lived with it through school.

I do note these days the “liberals” generally are those who want to be “liberal” with my money, not their own!

Maybe some knowledgable “Liberals” can tell me when the meaning changed from being liberal with their own to being liberal with mine??

meteorlady
well said i like you grew up in the country and have been a hunter all my life,to me gun control is hitting what you shoot at

I also go hunting and ew eat what we get i would like to go hunting with sarah palin

Ditto that mary ann.

HOW MUCH DID SHE PAY A POUND FOR THAT “WILD GAME”????
I’LL BET OVER $1000.00. THREE AIRPLANES, HUNTING TAGS,A HUNTING GUIDE,THATS NOT RURAL AMERICA. THAT WAS AN ELITIST HUNTING TRIP.

See that’s what I mean by nastiness. You can’t just accept the fact that they hunt, and they eat and use what they kill? None of that costs anything much except to get out in nature and enjoy the day and camping trip. I just get in my car or truck, go out the ranch, kill a white tail and have it processed for meat. We eat that through the year and it’s good to know that I didn’t have to go to the grocery store all the time to get my protein. I’m self sufficient, you are not. What happens if they cut off your meat supply? Which, by the way it getting harder to come by since we are now using cattle feed to make fuel for cars when we have huge supplies of natural gas. You city people are in for a rude awakening when you can’t get your veggies because the land is now producing corn and soy beans.

Not to mention that most of the restrictions placed on hunters come from the leftists in our government bureaucracy.

Even on so called “public land” you are severely restricted as to when , where, what species, etc. For the last few years it ‘s been very easy to get Elk tags for the first season here in Colorado due to the economy, increasing restrictions and the cost of tags for non-residents.

meteorlady,
Well said, oh so very well said. Plus they couldn’t possibly get their little dainty fingers dirty, nor even dare protect themselves or their families.

DB:
You mean “elitist” like ex-Speaker Pelosi’s formerly reserved and dedicated only to her whims, Air Force transcontinental air liner, so she could fly back to ‘Frisco without refueling in “fly-over country?” Imagine, an entire AF flight crew and ground crew, plus security, all on exclusive “stand-by” at Dulles Int’l (not an AF base) for Madame Pelosi!
Is that the kind of “elitist” you mean, DB? :)

DB, your comment just shows your ignorance about hunting and hunters.

JeffH,
I wonder how much a pound DB pays for beef and pork that is full of antibiotics and hormones?? She got what, about 300 pounds of meat from that bull elk? Let’s see, at 2.50 a pound for beef, that would be 750 dollars for very lean, great tasting meat, which elk is! That would also be an average, as some of the cuts of beef are as high as 7.00 a pound!! I was told by a medical research service from my insurance that venison and other wild game are much, much better for you fat wise than either pork or beef!! I would say 1000 to 2000 dollars for the trip was a bargain, and an eleitist I am definately NOT!!!

JoeH., not to mention the hunting experience and the time she got to spend with her father…plane flight $600 bucks…experience-priceless!

DB,

How much did you pay for the computer and accessories to strikei out at other people?

ASnd while you condemn someone who has money for doing what they want with it, not what you might, I wonder what “vices” you spend your money on that if I knew I would condemn as wasteful, etc.

I kinda suspect you would condemn me for spending some of my limited resources helping directly a poor family, rather than shooing them off to the Public Assistance office to fill in piles of forms and sign their lives away. And I not right?

Government assistance is not nearly so rewarding as helping directly where you know the needs, and can help as needed, not as prepackaged like it or lump it bureaucracy.

If I am wrong, feel free to say so.

meteorlady,
What a load of simplistic trash. I have lived in the big city and in small communities. I have lived alongside folks who have never seen an animal slaughtered, and those who hunt for their food. Never, ever have I found that city people were less likely to help their neighbors in the next apartment any less than small town folks will come to the aid of a neighbor across the pasture. It’s these sorts of “us vs. them” views that keep the pot boiling.

Kinectic1,
It seems you do an awful lot of ‘pot boiling’ yourself.

Nothing tastier than a well boiled pot for supper!! Lots of iron in it too, builds red blood.

LOL,
But the left forgets that besides red blood they need a good backbone, not just a big mouth.

No, they think the only solution is what’s left! They abhor even the word “right”.

Better lock it up in a safe in a locked closet! It might sneak out and go on a murder rampage if you do not have it under your personal control at all times…or better yet, hire a Liberal to guard it at all times.

Maybe even hire an illegal alien to guard it! Pay him good, as a Liberal says they would!

Cliffystones…reminds of the time when Diane Feinstein was pushing her anti-gun rhetoric at a press conference to ban “assault weapons”.
Holding an SKS and calling it an AK-47…oh so typical.

Jim:

“Forgive them for they know not what they do.”
Next week, they’ll probably be blaming the Fuller Brush guy or the Amway lady for not being civil bcause they’re not unionized! :)

Dog, another baseless liberal rant. Isn’t it breaktime yet?

Nor do I need a gun to cap your ass buddy! If I decided to end your existance on this planet I do not need to go to the gun store for a means. Guns are available everywhere and cheap. But who needs a gun. I sure don’t. There are many much more effective ways than using a gun. Remove all the guns, think you are safe?? Not a chance. However if you are packin heat, you will have a better chance of protecting yourself for sure.

In addition, if you really believe Palin is responsible for this nutcase that shot those people in Arizona, you are just like him. A nutcase yourself and should be locked away in a rubber room.This guy had bad things going on long before Palin appeared on stage. You are just another coward from the liberal la la land.

You err, Sir Leftie.

Getting stoned is the cause of many more civilian deaths than gunfire. Teens getting stoned and driving murder millions of innocent victims in public on our roads.

Do you deny that?

Oh, do you let your Dogma run free without a leash? ASPCA might like to know.

I will deny that 100% Lewis Munn. Total driving deaths in America is around 42,000 and has remained the same for at least 30 years. Alcohol accounted for 17,941 of those deaths in 2010.That figure has also remained about the same over the last 30 years but slightly higher in 2010. The major cause for teen deaths is distractions (cell phones,texting,talking to friends). Not drugs.

gee eddie, I suppose now you want to do away with those dangerous cell phones, too??? Watch it, if a teen is on the phone and distracted he could kill 8 or 9 and injure 10 or 12!!! Ban those dangerous cell phones!!!!

Joe; You show so much baffling ignorance and there is so little time to deal with you and that crooked mouth.

Hey Dogwhatever, I am not a fan of Palin, but your crazy rant does not help your case at all. The shooting was caused by PERSONAL vendetta against the Congresswoman, what part of PERSONAL do you not understand?

What we have today is the new McCarthyism — virulent, self-serving political correctness now being perpetrated by the left. 50 years later they are looking for the politically incorrect behind every bush. The communists now trying to weed out the elements of a free society.

EddieW, I like you are trying to prepare, but I have news for the Chinese want a storng dollar, the FED is dropping the value of the dollar.