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Welcome To 1984: Your Papers, Please

January 20, 2011 by  

Welcome To 1984: Your Papers, Please

Driving from California to East Texas, my daughter and grandson were 90 miles into the Lone Star state when traffic was stopped at a road block just outside the little town of Sierra Blanca.

Drug-sniffing dogs worked down the line of cars. Under treatment for a medical condition for which her California doctor prescribed medical marijuana, my daughter had a small amount in her luggage in the trunk. The dogs immediately sniffed it. She showed the police her medical authorization, but California law didn’t apply in Texas. She and my grandson were arrested, taken to jail and put into a holding tank with a dozen or more men and women who had been arrested for the same crime.

 A few days later, singer Willie Nelson was arrested at that same checkpoint. My daughter was fined $550. Perhaps Willie got off just signing a few autographs.

A short time later my grandson and I drove back to California. A dozen or so miles after crossing into California, we were suddenly funneled into another roadblock… only this time it was manned by half a dozen armed Border Patrol agents.

We were asked to state our citizenship, and then carefully scrutinized by an unsmiling officer who finally waved us through.

An even more sobering surprise awaited us…

We were stopped at a second roadblock 20 miles later… and yet again 15 miles after that. Three roadblocks between the California border and San Diego!

Never in six decades of driving in the United States had I ever experienced being stopped at even one checkpoint. My only prior experience was in Nicaragua in 1956 when that country was under the strong-arm dictatorial rule of Anastasio Somoza. Every few kilometers my companions and I were stopped by armed soldiers, questioned and required to show passports. We were all grateful to be from the “land of the free,” where such things couldn’t happen…

The rise of checkpoints in America, as well as the indignities we suffer at the hands of airport Transportation Security Administration agents, is merely outward evidence of a much deeper net being cast around individual liberty.

According to a recent Washington Post investigative report, “Top Secret America,” a web of 3,984 Federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, complete with technologies used on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, has been developed by the FBI. The process is constructing a database with the names and personal information of thousands of U.S. citizens and residents whom any local police officer or a fellow citizen might believe to be acting suspiciously.

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, who as Governor of Arizona built one of the strongest state intelligence organizations to stop illegal immigration and drug importation (the raison d’être for those roadblocks), has launched a "See Something, Say Something" campaign to encourage citizens to become informants. It started with traffic signs asking drivers entering the nation’s capital for "Terror Tips" and to "Report Suspicious Activity." Recently, she called on Walmart, Amtrak, major sports leagues, hotel chains and metro riders to join the surveillance network, admitting that, "This represents a shift for our country."

One can’t help but reflect on George Orwell’s dystopian novel, 1984. Published in 1949, it is a nightmarish depiction of what life could be like if the repressive nature of government was extrapolated from those post-World War days into the future. Orwell’s prescience is unnerving.

Cognitive scientist Steven Pinker tallied the similarities between Orwell’s novel and today’s world in his 2003 book, The Blank Slate. The elements of that Orwellian nightmare are either proposed or already here. Government euphemisms… national identity cards… surveillance cameras on streets and in shopping malls, and drones… satellites in the sky… personal data on the Internet… endless wars with shifting enemies… dossiers in government databanks… and ever-increasing controls on the actions and statements of individual citizens.

From checkpoints and electronic strip searches at airports… to your banker being forced to report suspicious deposits to being locked up for not disclosing all of your assets to the IRS… the signs are clear: 1984 is here. Whether it’s a War on Drugs, Illegal Immigration, or Terrorist… it is all a war on individual sovereignty.

Winston Smith, the protagonist in Orwell’s novel, rebels against Big Brother. His fate is arrest and torture. O’Brien, a member of the Inner Party and the person in charge of torturing and converting Smith back into a docile slave, tells Smith about the future: “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever.”

Winston, tortured and barely able to speak, replies: “You could not create such a world… it is impossible to found a civilization based fear and hatred and cruelty… there is something in the universe, some principle, some spirit that you will never overcome.”

As the novel ends, Winston Smith has given up hope in such a principle. “Everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.”

There are many today who have found their own peace through a love of Big Brother. For those of us who believe in sovereignty, the spirit Smith believed in is still real. Individual sovereignty is the antithesis of a totalitarian world of surveillance, roadblocks and Newspeak. There is a principle, a spirit that can’t be overcome, and that is the determination to live free… I hope it survives.

Jack Pugsley
Chairman, The Sovereign Society

John Pugsley

Widely respected for his commitment to freedom, privacy and other libertarian ideals, John Pugsley is one of the Sovereign Society’s co-founders and currently serves as its chairman. John’s long and successful career in finance and publishing began in 1975 with his personal monthly commentary on economic and political events, Common Sense Viewpoint, which boasted 30,000 subscribers at its peak. He is the author of two books and for 10 years published an investment and economic newsletter. As Sovereign Society chairman, John is continuously discovering outstanding companies around the world that are unknown, suppressed and, most-often, totally avoided by brokers and advisors.

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  • captain

    All the voting is rigged, so voting won’t work either. We all need to band together and ignore all these creeps. The cars should have just kept driving if they all did, they could not stop them. We have the power if we would only exercise it!

    • DaveH

      No doubt there is some vote rigging, but I don’t think enough to make a big difference. It has been my observation that people on both the Left and the Right are clueless when it comes to the concept of Freedom. I think the leaders are giving us what we wish for. Watch out what you wish for, it might come true.

  • Kim

    You’re spot on, herbstine. Funny that we have to show who we are but BO doesn’t have to fess up anything. Don’t think he would pass with his “non credentials”…

    This article reminds me of being in Belize last April and all the checkpoints there, expecially around crime ridden Belize City. Well, I think things are probably just as corrupt here, just more diluted.

    • DaveH

      We’re getting there.

  • 1minuteman

    when i was in high school in the late 60′s it 1984 was mandatory reading in english class. i think that would be a very good learning lesson for the kids today to have to read that prophetic book and they would find it very relative to today. at least tell your kids to at least watch the movie which has been on cable the last few years.

    • Wlmitch1

      I read the book 1984 back when I was in college. What went on in the story was sickening to read. There are numerous ominous parallels which are occurring today. Furthermore, I have friends and acquaintances who came from Communist countries. They tell me, and others who will listen, that we are losing our freedom.

  • http://voterimposedtermlimits.org/ Don Ruane

    When will the people of the United States wake up, smell the coffee and understand that all of the problems we have in this country are “MADE IN CONGRESS”.

    We are so afraid of FIRING our Congressmen and Senators that we have destroyed our Country.

    I hate to say this but Washington’s system requires that all politicians become corrupt in order to serve and succeed in the Congress. They must Go Along, to Get Along.

    We send good people to Washington; the system corrupts them just at six years. The lavish lifestyle, the great money, the tremendous benefits, the ability to pass laws that they exempt themselves from creates the climate of corruption we see in action today.
    It’s about time we impose Term Limits on everyone who serves in Congress. It is my firm belief that no one should be allowed to serve in Congress for more than six years.
    We the American people have allowed ourselves to be led to the slaughter, like sheep, by long-term incumbent politicians, be they Democrats or Republicans.

    I firmly believe that the Tea Parties must take up term limits as a national issue, to save our country. Without term limits there will be no debate or passage of any of the critical issues facing this country.
    Long term politician will not take up the critical issues because the fear defeat at the polls.

    Don Ruane

    • DaveH

      Term limits are just a diversion, a placebo.
      There is no guarantee the new guys will be any better.
      Also, Lame Duck Congressmen will become more frequent (everyone of them who is on their last term). Imagine if the Democrats in the last two years had all known they weren’t going to be re-elected?
      There is only one real solution, and that is education of the voters.

      It has been my experience that we are getting what we vote for.
      The Liberals/Progressives want income redistribution, which in reality is only redistributed to the politically-connected until the majority of the people quit working eventually (see Cuba).
      The Right-Wingers want to control the life choices of the citizens (protect them from themselves) which in reality doesn’t work, but it does work for the Political Class, and Government gets bigger and more expensive until we are crushed under the weight (see Iran).

      We are only going to emerge from this mess if people make the effort to get reacquainted with the kind of Freedom that our Founders embraced. I really don’t hold my hope for that event.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree, with the freedom our Founders founded this country on, One Nation, Under God. There is where we have gotten in trouble, and the proof is in the pudding.

  • Karolyn

    Legalize drugs, and the problem goes away!

    • DaveH

      Mostly. There will always be problems, but the current cure is worse than the disease.
      For those who would argue that decriminalization of drugs is going to lead to rampant drug use, see this:
      http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Dave,

        It’s common sense.

        Drugs were legal for most of American history and we didn’t have the problems that we have now because of prohibition.

        Didn’t we learn anything from alcohol? All we get from prohibition is organized crime.

        BTW, in states with medical pot the other drugs have taken a hit. IOW, if pot is available then the more damaging drugs don’t have as many followers because the “pusher” isn’t in the picture to get them hooked on something.

        Rob

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Legalize it, stop spending billions fighting it and lining the pockets of lawyers and judges and politicians, and put the proceeds into the federal coffers and use to for building bridges and roads and stuff that we all benefit from. Enforce the same rules as alcohol. Get caught driving all drugged up, go to jail just as if you were drunk driving. Go to work all hopped up, get fired just as if you went to work drunk. Now they would have to do something about testing where if you smoked the night before, because it would still be in your system, and it wouldnt be right to fire you, just as they wouldnt fire someone for drinking the night before. But this war on drugs has been a huge failure, and people have gotten rich and created a million jobs in this so called fight, that we are all paying for. And they have no intention of stopping it. There is too many payouts being given. Just stop the charade, and get over it.

  • Robert A.

    I do not support Obama, did not vote for him or his ideoligy. I do however feel many folks misplace the blame on his office. This is not to say the President’s current left wing agenda is not obnoxiously socialist but I would present the case of overempowered Government and control being developed since the 1980s.

    The lack of basic common sense border security and imigration enforcement has allowed folks who do not belong in this country to be in this country. The acceptance of liberty for the few has empowered Government to control and dictate to the masses.

    Until such time we the people demand Government become a servant to the majority instead of an instrument for the minorities our individual freedoms will be snuffed out one by one.

    Our Government is too big and too powerfull. Instead of expecting the servants to protect the constitution we have allowed them to change the laws for the self serving purpose of self preservation. The only real solution is to take away the power by choking off the funding. We the people control the purse strings and money corrupts.

    In my common sense opinion the federal Government and many State Governments and those politicians who hold seats of power in such should be arrested and prosecuted as traitors.

    • JRC

      This country is NOT set up for the government to serve and uphold the will of the majority. We are NOT a democracy we are a constitutional republic. The government has to uphold the constitution and the law even if it goes against the will and wishes of the majority. Our founding fathers have very well recognized that the danger with a democracy is that the majority can mob rule and suppress minorities.
      This is why they implemented the constitutional republic where the individual, the minority, has the SAME rights and protection under the constitution as the majority. To demand that the government only do what the majority wants is to demand that our constitutional republic will be destroyed and be replaced with a mob rule democracy. Is that really what you want.

      • DaveH

        Good comment, JRC.

      • Pat R

        Sorry JRC. but you are wrong. The UNITED STATES CORPORATION was founded in 1871 and has acted as our Government ever since. There has not been a Constitutional Republic since 1860, before the War. This is why we have no say in our government. It is owned and run by IMF.

        Today, we have a restored Republic for the united States of America. If you want to sit around and whine and moan about every thing, go ahead!
        I choose to be “free” and secure a future for my kids and grandkids.
        It is your choice!

        http://www.republicfortheunitedstates.org

      • JRC

        Thank you for the link, I needed the laugh.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        If its supposed to be the same, then why do I see minority groups, such as hispanics, blacks, gays, illegals, getting special rights given to them not afforded to others? Isnt that wrong. Affirmative action anyone, where I was told to my face by 15 employers on the first day of job hunting alone, back in 1976 when I graduated, that they couldnt hire me because I was white? What happened to my constitutional rights? They only get violated for the majority, and enforced for the minority anymore, all in the disguise of political correctness. Its bull crap.

      • libertytrain

        Same with me back in the early 70′s – trying to get employed by a company that was larger – each time, nice that I’m a woman, that helped but the wrong color. I did get a job with a small law firm but that has stuck with me all these years – reverse discrimination.

  • herbstine

    I can’t speak for California, but the checkpoint on I-10 near Sierra Blanca, Texas, has been there for decades, in a (vain) attempt to catch illegals. The drug dogs are more recent, as the drug trade through there gets bigger. If you go west on I-10, you’ll find a similar checkpoint past Las Cruces, NM. Both pre-date Nanny Janet by quite a bit.

    As far as the marijuana bust goes, possesion is illegal under Federal law, and only Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington have legalised medical marijuana. If you’re going to carry a controlled substance & don’t check state laws of where you’re passing through, that’s on you. Us gun owners have to.

    I don’t like the amount of intrusion the current mob of nanny staters is pushing, & I really hate the politically correct blindness they stubbornly adhere to. I support & vote for true “conservatives” (for lack of a better term), who support the letter & spirit of the Constitution. Sadly, there have been too many people who are willing to follow clowns who promise “utopia”, but do what ever they want once in office, including blatantly illegal & immoral things.

    • Angel

      Since the mid term elections in 2010…Arizona is on that list!

    • Louie

      herbstine, you are the only person who has made any sense so far. These fools that don’t mind being stopped and searched because they haven’t done anything wrong…that’s okay with me. (but) I do mind being stopped and searched & I haven’t done anything wrong. These people are like little children, they have to have their diaper checked every once in awhile…I would say more, but what’s the use…one caan not reason with a fool!!!

    • DaveH

      State laws are trumped by the Constitution, Herb. And the Constitution says we have the right not to be searched without probable cause and a warrant. They are totally out of line randomly searching people driving through the panhandle.

      • Bruce D.

        I think those check points are not far from where you live DaveH. Why don’t you sue?

      • Bruce D.

        That is the Texas check points. Just a short trip for you.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Maybe its me, I dont know, but I have more than a couple of close buddies that I grew up with, still see and play sports with, and they have to do drug check points time to time and pull people over, and I know for a fact they arent some nazi government hate squad that is there to step on my rights. They do it because they get tips that there are drugs coming up a certain road, and to look for a certain type of vehicle, and they will pull over and search anything that fits that criteria. And it doesnt matter what the driver looks like, because lets face it people, drug dealers will pay a pretty good time to someone to haul some stuff for them, so it could be 80 year old grandma driving it in. Who knows. Maybe I need to be more paranoid, but I just dont see it. Not to say it wont escalate into something bad down the road, but for now, I just dont see this 1984 big brother thing.

      • DaveH

        Bruce,
        You’re behaving like a right-wing Eddie.

      • eddie47d

        Oh, Thanks Dave!!

      • DaveH

        How did you know I was talking about you?

      • eddie47d

        Because the other Eddie W is more to the right.

  • Big AL

    Thomas Jefferson said it best “The people need to rise up and have a revolution every ten years just to keep the Government honest. “

    • Angel

      Martial Law can be declared if there is an uprisal of the people against the government. The Administration is stepping up the pressure on us by instituting outrageous laws, regulations etc. against the will of the people. They want an uprising – then they will open the camps. Keep your heads on straight – do not let them bait us into a situation that can only go against us at this time.

  • Ted Crawford

    While I understand that this is a difficult problem I know that we must do something! Untill we can vote this administration out of office we can be assured that nothing substantive will be done to secure the border. I find it hard to fault a state for at least trying to help with the problem. After all it can’t always be the other people who are inconvienced, we’re all in this together and we all must do what we can!

    • DaveH

      While I don’t condone illegal entry, I do believe that the whole immigration thing is a red-herring for more of what most of us fear (Big Government). The same thing is true of the Drug Wars. The sheep on the left let them build it bigger for their dream of asset equality. The sheep on the right let them build it bigger for their dream of the righteous State. And it just keeps getting Bigger. Duh!

      Ask yourself. Why do the Mexicans want so badly to come here? Because their repressive and corrupt Big Government regulatory regime has made it nearly impossible for them to make a decent living there. And why is the drug violence in Mexico escalating out of control? Because our repressive and corrupt Big Government regime has convinced many people that the Drug Wars are necessary. Yet, they’ve been fighting them for over 30 years with no definitive results other than the loss of our Freedom.

      • DaveH

        And the enrichment of the most evil segment of Society — The Drug Lords. Money is power.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Because the government, made up of lawyers, and the judges and lawyers, are all getting rich on drugs being illegal. From representing big dollar drug dealers, to taking payoffs to look the other way when drugs come in, to public defenders getting paid with tax dollars defending some broke kid that got caught smoking a joint, they are all rolling in the dough with it being illegal. If it was legalized, all the money would go into the public coffers where we all would benefit, and out of their pockets, but they dont want it.

  • Kurt

    Who is approving these damn check points? Why is no one challenging them for violating the 4th amendment?

    The TSA groping and BP checkpoints need to become a campaign issue – is a candidate or incumbent for or against them?

    • hank

      I believe that that the slight delay is well worth the attempt to stop
      illegal aliens from coming into this country. If we continue taking away the tools that law enforement needs to see who is traveling the
      highways near the border then we might as well put up signs at the borders reading “Welcome, come one, come all”. What we should do is fill up these internment camps with the illegals already here and feed
      them rice and bread. Just enough to keep them alive while we maked arrangements to send them back to where they came from. If we do that
      then our unemployed would all have jobs and the economy would once again flourish. American workers would not be sending US currency to another country to help their relatives to leave their country and come to America.

      • DaveH

        You would have made a good German citizen.

  • Angel

    Unfortunately…I don’t see it ending but getting worse. The progressives are not the only blame and even though I didn’t vote for him, neither is Obama. It IS however the Illuminati controlled UN.

    They have checkpoints, yet how many illegals reside in the US and receive public aid and the government does nothing! How about illegal jobs and yet the government does noting. Would it not be more beneficial to secure the borders in the first place? With no checkpoints further north of the border than 5 miles…

    My guess is, this is not to stop drugs as our government takes part in the harvesting of them..but it is to control people in America who are suppose to be free. Freedom is a thing of the past and Big Brother will continue to breath down our necks until complete takeover has finished us as a nation/Republic….or until Jesus comes.

    • TIME

      Angel,

      They are so close and thats why the {rapid advancment of protocol} that you have all seen take place over the last 24 months. And most of you were sleeping when just last week Barry took more power under his wing with even MORE “Executive” powers. What do you all really think that means?

      Yet – This has been going on for some time as I have said over and over and over again.
      This all got its foot in the door in 1913, With Woody Wilson and from that point on its been a “long slow but effective” method of reducing Independant thinking.
      FDR was the second stage of rapid advancment, then came Johnson, then Bush 1, then Clinton, then Bush 2, and Now we have Barry Soetoro, and thats only if thats really his real name, YOU don’t even know what his real name is, nor anything other than what YOU have been told by his spin doctors even the ones who wrote his books.

      Soon and I mean really soon we are going to go to “CODE RED,” in case you all can’t grasp that, note that we have been in “CODE ORANGE” now for 10 years.

      If you don’t wake up your friends and neighbors and familys, it will in fact be nothing less than welcome to ROOM 101.

      I can’t keep saying it over and over again are EWE awake yet?

  • theodorej

    If we truly want God to bless America,we have to go before him as a nation and stop electing feckless cowards…After we have done that we must take apart the pornograhy business which is bigger than baseball,football and basketball combined…stop killing innocence,quit fostering perversion and telling our children it is alternative life style,quit wrecking the family unit with divorce and finally turn from rampant drug addiction….these are just some of things we must do as a nation if we want God to return peace and prosperity to our land…it can be done…it has been done…

    • DaveH

      Theo,
      The people who want to save people from themselves by force have gone a long way towards creating this Leviathan Government which is sucking the life out of our Freedom. You are behaving no better than the Liberals when you do such things.
      People can grasp morality voluntarily (preach to them), but when you aggressively force your pet peeves (through Government) on others who are harming nobody but themselves, then you leave a large contingent of people vulnerable to the Propaganda of the Progressives.
      I believe the do-gooders (who really are aggressors) have contributed largely to our current condition. It doesn’t matter who builds the initial framework (Leviathan Government); that framework can be used by any group of fanatics later on, whether they be Progressives, Repressive Right-Wingers, Muslims, or others.

      • DaveH

        Note that I am all for morality, but it can’t be shoved down peoples’ throats. Teach them the dangers and leave them be. That is our best chance. If they experience some of the pain they were warned about, they will learn. The alternative is to ram our morality down their throats, make them bitter, and have them continue making the same dumb mistakes repeatedly in a vain effort to prove us wrong. Like rebellious teenagers.
        And I am talking about victimless crimes. Of course when there’s an involuntary victim involved, it is a different story.

      • kate8

        DaveH – I don’t think Theo was talking about forcing anyone to “come before God as a nation”. Obviously, that would only refer to those who actually believe in God, else there is no point to it.

        I would think that goes without saying. But then, in today’s climate, if you don’t spell out the obvious, someone might take your words and commit some illegal act for which you would then be held responsible…

      • DaveH

        Kate,
        He said this “After we have done that we must take apart the pornograhy business”. That sounds like peaceful advice to you?
        You are a very intelligent woman, Kate, please don’t make the mistake that Liberals make by sticking up for a viewpoint just because that person shares your faith.

      • kate8

        DaveH – I guess I just didn’t get that he was suggesting any kind of force or violence.

        As for pornography, our nation did much better before it became widely and easily available to anyone, even children. It has done so much to dismantle marriage and the family, relegate women to being considered little more than sexual objects, and even much the same for men. It is as destructive as gambling addiction and is part of the moral decay in America, to the end of our complete destruction.

        The fact that Theo is a Christian is not why I agree with him. I simply find no fault in what he says. In no way is he talking about fascism. There are just many things that can exist without being accepted as mainstream and in our faces where they cause harm to the vulnerable and do damage to our children. This is a fact.

        I’m not sure what your beef is here, but I don’t think my opinon on this makes me unintelligent. Nor do I think yours makes you so.

      • DaveH

        My beef, Kate, is that so many right-wingers just don’t get that they are the aggressors. In that sense, they are no better than the Liberals who also want to force their agendas on other people. They just have different agendas.
        If you don’t believe in Pornography (doesn’t much interest me either), fine, stay away from it, but don’t force your pet morality on other people who are doing nothing to anybody but themselves.
        If they do harm other people (I’m talking physically) then they should be punished, pornography or not.
        The first step to others respecting your Freedom is to respect theirs.
        Government is Force, whether it comes from the left or the right.

      • kate8

        DaveH – In theory I agree with you. But people who want things like pornography and drugs have always been able to get them. They just weren’t readily there to any child who can push a button.

        Society has an obligation to use common sense in the degree of saturation it allows of such things over common accessiblity. We have a moral responsibility to protect our children from having it shoved in their faces at every turn. It’s called common sense, and I don’t see much of it around anymore.

        It’s okay display pronography and violence everywhere we look, but it’s taboo to mention God. In that stance, you, too, resemble liberal-think. So what we have is rampant depravity without counterbalance of the freedom to express its opposite.

        There is a fine line to walk in a free society. Our founders said it would only work with a just and moral society, so that is where the enemy attacks us, spreading contemp for moral values and encouraging addiction to all things perverse and destructive. We have become morally bandrupt as well as economically, because you can’t separate prosperity from goodness and integrity. When all this happens, it becomes easy for tyrannical governance to move in because the moral compass, which guides mutual respect, is gone.

        When people can no longer self-police with reason and common sense, the writing is on the wall. Europe embraced the anything-goes idea before us, and they aren’t faring well, either.

      • DaveH

        Okay,
        Let me analyze this. We were born naked. Until man invented religion, that wasn’t a problem. Now looking at a picture of a naked woman (or man) has somehow been elevated to a heinous offence. So, for the act of looking at a naked body (posed willingly), the Religious Right will subject a man to fines, imprisonment, or other force. Who are the real animals here?
        Again, how can you expect others to respect your freedom, when you don’t respect theirs?

      • DaveH

        You had to go and open Pandoras Box, didn’t you Kate?
        Please don’t argue religion with me. You will lose. I have absolutely no interest in converting you. In fact, in a way, I envy you.
        And, as I have said before, Religion (at least Christian, Buddhist, and Hindu) is good for society when it is approached on a voluntary basis. Who else will teach people standards for respecting and getting along with our fellow human beings?

      • kate8

        You know, DaveH, I would not argue religion with you. In the first place, I am not about religion. I do believe in Divine Intelligence and a Divine Governing Power, but not in the way religious folk do.

        In the second place, this is not a particularly religious issue. It is a moral one, how we respect and honor one another. If people choose to ue and be used in such a way then, please, at least keep it private. You want Christians to keep their worship private, then so should everyone else keep their rites private, whatever they are.

        You are right. It is Pandora’s box, and not a cut and dried issue. You surely are aware that public acceptance of depravity is a tool used to destroy and conquer a nation. It is not a matter of religion. It is a matter of respect for humanity. We do not honor one another by degradation.

        I am sorry that you don’t feel the presence of Spirit. There are many like you who don’t. Unless you can perceive humanity as being more than mere flesh and blood, then there is no point in discussion, because nothing matters at all.

        One day we will all learn what is True. Until then, we will all continue to dabble at life.

        Blessings.

      • Karolyn

        When I was a kid going to catechism, the nuns told us it was a sin just to look at our own bodies in the mirror! Repression doesn’t help. The US is one of the most puritanical societies in the world, and look where that has gotten us! The more something is taboo, the more enticing it is.

      • libertytrain

        My nuns were not like that – ever. They kept telling us to think, do, be.

      • Bruce D.

        I have never met or talked to any Nun that tried to surpress people in any way. They are always quite selfless and giving.

      • Karolyn

        How old are you guys? This was in the 50s and early 60s when nuns were rapping kids on the knuckles with rulers. Never went to Catholic school, so I never experienced this, but I know it was done.

      • kate8

        Karolyn – Much of my family is Catholic, and I have many nephews who went through Catholic school all the way. They are now through college, are wonderful, respectful and well-adjusted young men who are a joy to be around.

        My niece is a teacher at a Catholic school, has been for 30 years. She is a very wonderful woman.

        My grandson attends Catholic school as well, mostly because it happens to be the best private school in our area. He is thriving there, also.

        I have never heard of a single incident such as you describe.

      • libertytrain

        Started in Catholic school in the late 50′s; all through the 60′s right up to and through 1970. I did not ever have that kind of Nun in the three Catholic Schools I attended through my completion of high school. I have nothing but the utmost respect and fond rememberings of each and every one of them.

      • Al Sieber

        DaveH, my out look on religion is control, and big business.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I really didnt see where Theo said anything about forcing anything on anyone. He said we need to rid ourselves of these evils, and that is a fact. The breakdown of the family is a major, major reason things are falling apart, and the breakdown of the family is because of falling away from God. I know you dont believe in God Dave, and if you want to do that, thats fine for you. I love you anyway brother. But for those of us that do, and have allowed God into our lives, He truly has opened our eyes and ears to see what is going on here. It is His banishment that is killing us slowly, and the more perverted our society gets, and the more we exclude Him and kick Him out, the closer we become to being the Greek Empire, The Roman Empire, and the Medo-Persian Empires before us, who all were given over to their enemies when they because so perverted and decadent that God couldnt stand it anymore, and when they have defiled themselves to a point, that was it, God gave them over to their enemies. We are truly on that path. The world is on that path, and Bible tells us exactly as to what is going on today. To the T. Its pretty clear. It even says, in the end times, it speaks of more and more wars, more earthquakes and floods, of fathers turning against sons and sons against fathers. Of wrong becoming right and right becoming wrong. Yes, we are at that point. How much longer, who knows, only God does. Could be tomorrow, next week, next year, or 100 years. But be ready my friend is all I can say.

    • Karolyn

      It has been done? Where? People are people and are free to think and do as they wish.

  • Catfish

    It is like boiling frogs, start them out in cool water and heat it slowly. They never realize what happened.

  • http://MozzelaFirefox Jo

    You think “1984″ is bad, Try Huxley’s “Brave New World”.

    • bill

      Brave new world is required reading for my two H.S. kids! I couldn’t believe when my daughter showed it to me and said dad have you ever
      read this book? I was sick! And so was she by the content.

      • http://MozzelaFirefox Jo

        It’s hard to believe that book is required for HS. I had to read it in college and that was bad enough. It destroys innocence and leaves you with very little hope. The book seems relivent for today.

  • Ellen

    Another point to notice from ’1984′ is how Big Brother was constantly telling people what was happening and, even though he made it all up, the people believed every word. They didn’t think for themselves or question anything he said even if it conflicted what he said the day before. We have this same situation with Obama. He gives speeches that include blatant lies and his adoring public believes every word.

    • Karolyn

      Please cite the “blatant lies.”

      • ValDM

        Transparency comes to mind. How many of those back-door deals and middle of the night deals are you happy with?

      • DaveH
      • clh

        Everytime he opens his mouth! Wake up Woman!!

      • kate8

        Karolyn – What “blatant lies”?

        You’re kidding, right? You really don’t pay attention, do you?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Karolyn,
        If nobama said you were 120 years old and dumber than hell, You would swear it was the truth and I know you aren’t 120 years old!!!

      • JeffH

        Ask and you shall recieve.

        Exposing The Lies of President Barack Obama
        http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

    • mythbusting

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFYBU

      If you cannot fathom the depth of this huge lie to the public, then you are beyond the scope of reasonable and rational thinking.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Sounds to me like the democrats listening to their leaders and to the national news channels. They actually believe the propaganda they are telling them, while these guys are sucking the money and life right out of them, making them more and more dependant on government.

  • Charles

    With this coming dictatorship, will also come abuse. I can see the time when people poised as law enforcement officers will stop you, ask for your card, run it through a hand held electronic scanner and have all your personal information in a few seconds. Even if it be “legal,“ will it be safe. I think we know the answer to that. Please America, wake up.

  • skippy

    Well, I did not vote for him either. I did not and still don’t like his “fundamental transformation” ism. Great article Jack, kudos on this one! Now I will have to read “1984″. Might I suggest it become “required reading” in high school, apparently it should have been in my day!!! Let’s all hope and pray that 2012 brings us a great candidate that we the people can stand behind and support.

    • http://tansuselfdefense.net Ray Sneed

      It used to be required reading in high school. I read and had to do a report on it my senior year. It is a very good book, chilling, but very good.

      Ray Sneed

      • independant thinker

        Guess I will have to re-read it as well. Does 1984 end with the “hero” being sentenced to death for his “crimes” and he tricks the government into broadcasting his execution and trappes a government official in the room with him or am I confusing the book with an old Twilight Zone show?

      • Al Sieber

        Independent, no, he “Winston” submits in the end, after they find his weakness, they torture him with….sorry, you’ll have to read the book.

      • independant thinker

        Like I said it’s been too long since I read it. I guess the other did come from an old twilight zone show.

  • David in Ma.

    And, people dismiss internment camps as something that will never happen in America…….fools, they already exist!
    Can you guess why?
    I’ll tell ya why.
    To remove people who resist the complete government control of society, after all, they cannot be allowed to encourage others to resist, so you either re-educate them to the new order or remove them.
    NO?
    Then you missed reports of their existance in russia, china, n. korea, south america and other places—-it’s not really a new idea.
    AND, the food in them is solient greens….(made from those who didn’t conform.)

    • Angel

      I totally agree David. I, too, know that they exist!

      • Newbern W Johnson

        If you know that they exist, why do you not give locations etc? It is part of the solution to share such information with as many people as possible. Repression can only exist in an information vacuum.

      • TIME

        NWJ,
        Here’s your keys now you go and do your own detective work.

        Look at all “Closed Military Bases,” {look at “before” pictures of the outer permitters, as in when they were still active}
        Then Look at pictures of the “newly created permiters” if your near one why not just go look at them in person.

        What you will note if you can grasp it is the following, even on active bases just as the ones that have been cosed down they are made to “KEEP YOU OUT.”

        What you will find on these closed bases is the following, They are now set up to “KEEP YOU IN.”
        The simple question that should hit you is why is that?
        Keep in mind these are CLOSED BASES. So why have countless billions of dollars been spent to created mined zones around them with high power electric fences, set in three zone’s and why all the RAZOR wire set within all three zones? Oh and why are the Records on these closed bases so heavily redacted? And why are Billion being spend on them.

        Perhaps spend a few hours looking in to NAZI Death camps and how there were set up? Then perhap the paralles will show themselfs very clearly to you.

      • pennsyltuckian

        I see you stopped taking your lithium. I think you need some serious help.

      • TIME

        Well Penn,
        Perhaps you should look into what I posted before YOU start with your new Drug program.
        Or are you afraid you will find what I posted to be true, or is the TRUTH more than you can handle?

      • Raggs

        Newbern…

        Search in you tube under FEMA camps.. you will find many videos about these camps all across America in every state.

      • nationAP

        Google “terrorist camps in the US”.

      • nationAP
      • eddie47d

        There have been talk of internment camps since the late 60′s. Those U-Tube videos are only from one perspective and deliberately are made to be provocative. Since they have been around for a long time and thousands know about them then the cat is out of the bag.Americans love writing books and spreading the news so where are the many thousands who had worked there over the years and re-tooled these “death camps”. Living on a steady diet of fear and presenting little fact to go with it makes me suspect of the very mention of these camps.

    • herbstine

      Prove it. Give details. Where? When?

      • Dan az

        Do some research Just type in fema camps its that easy!
        What is the Federal Emergency Management Agency? Simply put, it is the “secret government”. This agency has powers and authority that go well beyond any other agency in the nation. What can FEMA do? It can suspend laws. It can move entire populations. It can arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and can hold them without a trial. It can seize property, food supplies, and transportation systems. And it can even suspend the Constitution of the United States.

        When the first concept had been presented, its original mission was to assure the survivability of the United States Government in the event of a nuclear attack. It’s secondary function was to be a Federal coordinating body during times of domestic disasters. These disasters consisted of earthquakes, floods, and hurricanes.

        The “secret” black helicopters that are reported throughout the US, mainly in the West California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and Colorado areas are flown by FEMA personnel. It has been given the responsibility for many new national disasters such as forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee situations, riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. It works together with the Sixth Army in the West.

        A series of Executive Orders (EO) was used to create FEMA. It does not matter whether an EO is Constitutional or not, it becomes a law simply by being published in the Federal Registry. These orders go around Congress.

      • Angel

        Thank you Dave…I posted quite a few links and it says my comment is awaiting moderation.

      • Angel

        I’m so sorry…I mean Dan!

      • Dan az

        Angel
        I know you are awhere of this info but it needs to get out to the ones that dont believe it so I will post it here if you dont mind my time is short and have to go now.
        There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.

        The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention lefts by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

        Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

        The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

      • Angel

        There are many under the guise of “Residential Facilities” but tell me…when they show pictures of these…and some have swing sets for the kiddies, why is the barbed wire fence pointing “INWARD” to keep occupants IN. NOT outward to keep occupants safe. Sounds more like prison to me!

        Thanks Dan…I didn’t mind at all!

      • kate8

        Dan az – How do you know they are empty?

        Jesse Ventura went to visit one, and it appeared that there were residents (besides staff). Children were seen playing in the yard.

        They may actually be already in use. People could be disappearing here and there, and it would hardly be noticed. Folks disappear all the time. They certainly aren’t going to tell us about it. Heck, they still deny they even exist.

      • Al Sieber

        Dan, thanks for making other people aware.

      • JRC

        Angel,
        Our corporation has a compound of about 1800acres in an rural area with a lot of barrack style housing and ware houses.We have 12 rows of evergreen trees planted on a dirt berm surrounding the area to prevent eager eyes from noticing movement and schedules inside it. The area is fenced with 2 rows of fences with barb wire on top tilted to the INSIDE of the compound. Why? Not to keep people in but to keep up with state and county requirements that no harm can be done to people and we are not permitted to have the barb wire lean outwards. Only the inner fence has Constantine wire and we have dogs and guards running in between the 2 fences..sorry but the stuff we are handling and storing is dangerous and we do all we can to prevent it to get into the wrong hands.
        But here is the deal, some time ago we had a call telling us we where listed on a U-tube video and it claimed with 100% certainty we are a fema death camp. We all had a good laugh. Well, all the signs are there. Inward barb wire, double row with constantine wire on the INSIDE (its against the law to have them on the first fence…that’s why we have 2), railroad tracks going in, an incinerator (yes we have one and quite a big one..burns fine for up to >10000 deg as needed for hazardous waste) and even an air strip .

        It’s all just conspiracy theories of paranoid nutcases that need to get of the bong and go get a job so they learn what reality is.

      • eddie47d

        Thanks JRC,some common sense in our paranoid world. Not only that: Garden Plot was around since at least 1968 and it was set up for rapid response to the civil unrest in large cities(race riots). Our unit out of Ft Carson had to be ready to go to Kansas City or even Dallas if need be. It was to keep cities from burning and arrest looters. I never heard of any units ever being sent out and it was for precautionary measures. Americans are afraid of the truth and only want conspiracy theories to drive their lives.

      • Dan az

        Hey Al
        Due to the 4th admendment right of no illegal search and seizure, this very type checkpoint should be challenged in court. Essentially, we now live in a complete police state.

        Law enforcement can now get warrants on the spot issued from a standby judge. These warrants even allow law enforcement to jab you in the arm with a needle on the spot.

        If we do not act now and stand up to this, it will simply be another win for the police state that has gained more and more traction each year.

        Who knows? Pretty soon we might all end up in cages.

      • Dan az

        Hey Al
        I posted something that I ran across tonight and believe me this stuff is insane.Check it out below!

      • Art J

        Hi, all, I have read the only people who will be put into FEMA camps are the evil ones who built them. Many members of royal families are about to be arrested soon. Things are looking better to me.

      • Angel

        All it takes is a little work…do you have an aversion to doing research?

        freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm
        campfema.com/
        infowars.com/bombshell-fema-camps-confirmed/
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4
        trueslant.com/matthewfleischer/2010/05/03/on-the-persistant-rumors-of-fema-camps/
        abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59023/pg1
        apfn.org/APFN/camps.htm
        oilempire.us/redalert.html
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxd_hsiZ1Ak

      • JRC

        Why don’t you guys do some real research and you will find out that you are wrong, and no, U-tube and websites made and maintained by conspiracy nuts for conspiracy nuts is NOT considered legitimate research. It is no wonder the rest of the world laughs about the people in the US. We have the biggest contingent of nuts on this planet…I hope it isn’t genetic.

      • TIME

        JRC,

        So you say that people all over the world are laughing at us. Really? I do travel all over the world as in my passport looks like a where have you not been lately, oddly thats not what I hear.

        So then Perhaps you can enlighten us all as to why one of my bigger clients has offerd me and my family as well all my staff safe haven in their country when as they stated “all hell breaks loose”?

        Please do enlighten us all, I await your valuable retort.

      • libertytrain

        While I had a momentary “wish I was on his staff” flash, I can’t help but wonder if when this occurs, it would not cause chaos worldwide eventually. Except perhaps China —

      • independant thinker

        I do agree that just because someone claims a site is a “FEMA camp” does not make it one and as a result I take these claims with a grain of salt. However, I also know our government is capable of doing just about anything. A few examples. Deliberately exposing solders to damaging amounts of radiation to see how it affects them. Spraying viruses over a city to see how they spread. Deliberately letting a segment of the population become infected with a “social disease” (now called STDs) to see how the disease progressed and how to treat it after it had become well established. These were all done without knowledge or consent of the people involved.

        So while I take the claims of “FEMA” camps with a grain of salt I also do not discount the very real possibility of them existing.

      • Al Sieber

        JRC, what about REX 84?

      • Dan az

        This is extremely important INTEL because there have been reports that U.S. Secretary Napolitano had previously requested 3 to 4 brigades of troops from the Russian government to specifically assist in the quelling of domestic civil unrest by U.S. Citizens. This was done by the Obama Administration

        The arrival of these troops obviously confirms this earlier rumor, otherwise they would not be here at this particular time. Although there doesn’t appear to be any ‘immediate’ threat …….this highly unusual event does cause extreme alarm and should have us all on our toes and looking for signs that something is going to happen and happen soon.

      • GreatScott
      • eddie47d

        Nothing but sound bites and 2 second quotes.Then there is Lou Dobbs and his fantasies. Most of those interviewed were on FOX so that doesn’t set to well in the reliable column of relevant news. How about some meat and potatoes information instead of very awkward U-Tube videos.

      • Dan az

        This is some proof but Im sure you will poo poo it too so reaserch it and Ill bring some more to the table and we can see who has the truth and who has BS.
        HR 645 the National Emergency Centers Establishment Act is a proposed bill in the U.S. House of Representatives that would authorize FEMA to build no less than six National Emergency Centers throughout the U.S. on closed or open military facilities. These facilities are to be designed to house large numbers of people. Why would emergency centers need to be built on closed or open military facilities unless there was a need to keep people from coming in and out of them?

      • Dan az

        Now eddie here are a few things you can check out for your self now remember we could go on alnight with this so while you try to comprehend this bit of facts Ill see what else I can find for ya!
        EXECUTIVE ORDERS EXPAND POWERS OF FEMA

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and restrict the freedom of movement within the United States of civilians and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and entry ports.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all transportation.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all fuel depots and power plants.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into federal work brigades.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the postmaster general to run a national registration.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including ones in the commercial service.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, waterways and public storage.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions or crises.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

      • JeffH

        FEMA Concentration Camps:
        Locations and Executive Orders
        http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm

      • Al Sieber

        Dan, some people can’t handle the truth.

      • JeffH

        FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS: Locations and Executive Orders
        http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm

      • Dan az

        Scary stuff huh guys?

      • EARL MCMAHAN

        Where are the camps; go to REX 84 website.

      • JeffH

        Known FEMA Camp Locations Listing
        http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=734.0

    • JRC

      I have a roll of aluminum foil I can sent you if ye need it.

    • JRC

      Did you ran out of aluminum foil? I can sent you some….go seek professional help you need it. Before you snap and we have a second Arizona disaster.

      • Dan az

        JRC
        If you would look just above your post You would see that your spinning the truth in your mind and trying to sell it to others.Try denying the facts and I dont mean you tubes but real facts on what has been going on behind closed doors!Look up at my reply to eddie!

      • Al Sieber

        JRC, ignorance is bliss. you can send me all the aluminum foil you can afford. tin foil is different than aluminum foil, different metals.

    • clh

      They exist here in the United States and they are being worked on everyday.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Im not buying what your selling. And Im definitely not dropping what your dropping. Or popping. Or smoking. Or snorting. Or huffing, or whatever it is your doing that has given you dillusions of grandeur.

  • http://www.churchofthetrueway.org Bob Sheppard

    Our government finds it much more enjoyable to harass it’s own law-abiding citizens that it does to control the borders. It has been stated previously but what the American public must do is to begin to decide if they want to live under a police state or if they are willing to put some time and effort into controling those who occupy the seat of government. We need to stop listening to the media and stop acting like little children and it would come to a halt.

    • Bruce D.

      To some degree the drug and alien problem there has a lot to do with the aggressive police presence. I drove to the Grand Canyon on vacation three years back. I was stopped at border check points twice between states but waived on. Then later driving on the highway the Texas police pulled me over and searched my camper truck for drugs. No ticket or anything although I was going over the night time speed limit. First and only time in my entire life I ever had anything like that happen. It was an agressive search also.

      • DaveH

        What they did was against the law, Bruce. When a policeman stops you and says “we need to search your car”, ask for the warrant. Whatever they say after that be sure to tell them “You do not have my permission to search my car. Do you understand that?”. If they say no, then repeat that statement. Obviously you can’t stop the armed thugs from doing whatever they want, but you can and should take them to court for illegal search. If we do that every single time, they will back off.
        If it’s a local event, then contact the newspaper, the local government, and everybody else whose ear you can bend. We need to inform as many people as we can about just how lawless our Government is becoming.
        As responsible citizens, we need to make sure that Government adheres to the Constitution. If we sit idly by any longer, it is soon going to be too late.

      • DaveH

        Here is an example of just how bad it can get if we don’t stick together:
        http://www.tuccille.com/blog/2008/01/attacked-by-cop-on-dark-road.html

      • DaveH

        In one story I read about the event, the offending officer was whining about all the nasty phone calls and mail that he got. Poor baby.

      • eddie47d

        Dave; Now that is an honest relevant story,thanks for sharing.

      • Al Sieber

        Dave, that’s what I tell them, it pisses them off, but they tell me to go.

      • Bruce D.

        They will tell you that they will compound your car until they get the warrant. One thousand miles from home on your way back from a vacation caught speeding you do not want to play that kind of a game. Police set up road blocks in South Florida once in a while to catch drunks and whatever else they come upon. I do not normally go out on the big drinking nights so it hasn’t affected me. I am sure there are plenty of things you can find to sue the government over DaveH. Why don’t you give it a try. You seem to have all the knowledge and all the incentive. We can start a legal fund for you. Go ahead and give it a try.

      • DaveH

        Then I would sit there until they got that warrant. They are bluffing.
        If you want to be foolish and give up your rights, Bruce, that is your right.

      • DaveH

        Bruce,
        If a criminal accosts you and demands your wallet, give it to him, it’s not worth your life. And just go on your way, don’t file a complaint because it isn’t worth the trouble. Besides, he might harm you later for that. Now go cower in your corner, Bruce.

      • Bruce D.

        You should put your money where your mouth is Dave and stop trying to tell other people what to do. John Pugsley is also the head of a investment group that claims a high rate of return on investments. Why does he not sue for his daughter if a law has been violated. He should have plenty of money to do so.

      • Carlucci

        I found a site on the web about this. If you are pulled over for any reason, you are supposed to do the following:

        1. CRACK your window – do not put it all the way down.
        2. Ask politely “why did you pull me over?”
        3. If told to do so, step outside of the car, close the door behind
        you and lock all car doors.
        4. Keep quiet and calm – ! Don’t say anything unless asked. If the
        “law enforcer” harrasses you, simply politely ask “Are you
        detaining me, officer, or are we (or am I) free to go now?”
        5. Never consent to searches – say “I do not consent to any searches,
        sir/ma’am”. (They have to have a warrant to search and know it).
        6. Never complain about a ticket. (You can hire legal assistance to
        get it dismissed for probably less money than the ticket. I did
        this last year so the alleged “speeding” ticket wouldn’t go on my
        record and make my insurance go up. The legal fee was $50.00
        less than the ticket. Interestingly, more than half of the
        people in the full courtroom were represented by legal counsel.
        Apparently people are wising up that this is yet another way for
        local government to extort money, and would rather pay someone to
        help them avoid negative information going on their driving
        records. Plus, like me, they just didn’t want to add more money
        to the county’s coffers).
        7. Keep your private items private and out of sight.

        I typed this info up and keep it in my car. If you are polite and know your rights, knowledge is power. Check out the website:

        http://www.flexyourrights.org

      • DaveH

        Thank you, Carlucci.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Only hassle I ever had was going into Canada. They were rude and out of line, and actually dumped our clothes out of our bags on the ground, even though they could see all our fishing gear and we told them we were coming up there for a week of fishing, pouring dollars into their economy. Needless to say, I will never go back up there again. I will go to Minnestota and Wisconsin, and stay out of there, and keep my money here, the socialist bastards.

    • Bill

      It is really sad that the press is controlled by oblama. They used to report the news, and now it all about britany spears, paris hilton and all the other gossip items of the so called stars. The press is so afraid of offending oblama.

      • nationAP

        You forgot Michelle O. as a style icon on every possible magazine cover.

      • nationAP

        2008: the beginning of the end of freedom in the US.

      • JRC

        Give me a break, it started long, long before then.

      • nationAP

        “Before then” we couldn’t see “the end”, now we do.

      • clh

        That woman has no style or class. When she wear pants they are creeping up her ass with the biggest wedgie you have ever seen. Yet she has the odactity to tell the rest of the country what they should eat. Health of the country by ass. Obama smokes and is eating JUNK food constantly then comes home to the meal prepared by their chef at our expense. Hypocrit!

      • Carlucci

        I just tried to post a reply to clh and got an “error” page. Comcast must be on censorship patrol.

        I tried to post that M.O. is one big ugly woman. Anyone can buy clothes from J. Crew stores or discount outlets – big deal. But of course the lame stream media lapdogs do nothing but yap and fawn over M.O, insinuating that she’s the black Jackie. Wrong. Jackie had a stylist and fashion designer that her uber rich husband paid for privately.

        As far as the groceries consumed by the current occupants of the White House, supposedly that is not on the taxpayer’s dime. They have to pay for that out of pocket, including when they entertain.

      • Karolyn

        I think she looked beautiful in her red gown for the reception last night. You have nothing better to contribute to an adult discussion than insults directed at the first lady?

      • eddie47d

        clh and carlucci; Most black women have big posteriors and I’m sure you knew that so give your unkind comments a rest.My wife does too and that is just a fact of life.

      • http://deleted Claire

        I will never be disrepectful to any First Lady of America. Her red gown was beautiful. Democrat or Republican, it was a lovely gown. I have seen her in a number of gowns, some were lovely, others I did not care for. Having said that, a person cannot help their looks. None of us are perfect by any means. I am not so consumed with hate that I cannot realize a beautiful gown when I see it.

      • http://deleted Claire

        The taxpayer has always paid for these state dinners, past and present.

      • http://deleted Claire

        “disrespectful”

      • Karolyn

        So friggin’ what? You don’t have to buy them or look. Why does it bother you so much?

      • Carlucci

        I never said anything about M.O.’s posterior. I just think she’s an ugly woman. If she was a white woman, I would probably say the same thing. Since when is it against the law to say someone is ugly?

        Get over it.

      • Karolyn

        It’s very disrespectful. Something I might have said of someone when I was 17.

      • http://deleted Claire

        I can tell you one thing, I would be mad as hell if anyone called me ugly. We are all born looking the way we do, some unattractive, some pretty. A person can be ugly as homemade sin, but be beautiful inside. A person can be pretty on the outside and ugly on the inside. I will never call anyone ugly.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Fashion icon? Please. That woman has no class at all. Laura Bush has more class in her little pinky than that woman has in her whole body. She is about as street as they get, and you can bet, since she got there, the “N” word has been spoken in the White House more than when LBJ was in there. And from all accounts, that was a lot. I cant respect someone like that, who as a first lady doesnt dress like it or act like it, and someone who lives the life of reilly, makes a statement that she has never been proud of the United States before her husband was made a candidate for president. Are you kidding me? Your husband was a U.S. Senator and you werent proud to be an American? Really? Then she needs to leave. The sooner the better. And I hope she doesnt steal the furniture like Hill and Billy did.

  • http://wmtsmith@cox.net wmts

    Tx has the SOVERIGN RIGHT to write there own drug laws, your daughter was remiss by not beigh aware of Tx laws. I had the same issue with alchol in AR and MS with beer not purchased in that state when stopped a DUI check points

    • DaveH

      They don’t have a right to enforce those laws on other states citizens just passing through. And their roadblock fishing expedition is squarely against the 4th Amendment of the Constitution — the main law of the land. Get it? They are lawbreakers!
      We need to pass the word and boycott those states that break the law as well as mount vigorous court campaigns against their lawbreaking ways.

      • JRC

        Dave you are wrong,

        The moment you cross into a different state you are under the jurisdiction of that states territory and law. The only exception is dedicated sovereign areas of embassies. It is the same as if you go into a different country. Ever wondered why the US can use the death penalty on non US citizens for crimes committed on US soil….same principle.
        So don’t make up rules and laws, they are very clearly defined and it is that states constitutional right to do so. The states have full jurisdiction they are sovereign within they’re borders, that’s why other states have to get people extradited if they want them to be moved from one state to another because of a crime.

      • Bruce D.

        I believe you to be right about that JRC. States to some degree are similar to individual countries.

      • DaveH

        No, JRC, YOU ARE WRONG.
        The last time I checked, Texas was still part of the United States, and as such is still subject to the Constitution!

      • texastwin827

        Dave….are you really that stupid? Or are you just kidding around trying to make us think you are?

        EVERY state has it’s own separate Constitution. While we are subject to the US Constitution, meaning no state law can be passed that violates the rights of a citizen that is given, under the US Constitution, each individual state has their own set of laws, that other states may not have.

        Your argument is long on being so boring given the woman was detained and arrested at a FEDERAL NOT TEXAS checkpoint. As you so carefully pointed out, Federal laws, including the Constitution, override state laws.

        In this case, the woman was arrested for violation of the Federal Law prohibiting illegal drugs (there is no recognition of CA’s medical law by the Feds).

      • independant thinker

        DaveH, under your argument If I live in a state with no speed limit I can drive as fast as I want to in any state subject to the limitations of my home state. If an exotic dancer lives in a state that permits total nude dancing then she can dance totaly nude in any state subject only to the laws of her home state. Conversily If you are from a more restrictive state on speed laws or nude dancing you must obey your home states laws no matter where you are.

      • DaveH

        Texastwin,
        Are you really that stupid? What difference does it make if it’s a Federal Checkpoint or a Texan Checkpoint? They are both subject to the Constitution.
        Do you think the name-calling somehow makes your opinion better than mine? And that is all it is — an opinion.

      • DaveH

        What difference, Independent? It’s called illegal search and seizure. A fishing expedition. Read the 4th Amendment.
        When the Nazi’s have taken over the country and treat you like dirt, You people will deserve it. I don’t.

      • DaveH

        I must admit to being particularly aggravated by Ignoramuses who call me stupid because I expect the people in Government to abide by the law.

      • eddie47d

        Dave H. The nazi’s are coming ,the nazi’s are coming.Always trying that tired old line. You are somewhat right about the Constitution but are you for States Rights or Federal Rights. That is what they were trying to get at. It also could show the folly of having so many different State Laws instead of one common Federal Law.

      • Bruce D.

        Certainly there is no bigger name called on this site than you DaveH. Why so hypocritical?

      • Bruce D.

        Name caller I mean. Certainly you must know that is true.

      • mr. myth

        Ed47d,

        It’s not about Federal or State rights, IT’S ABOUT THE PEOPLES RIGHTS!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        From what I understand, it isnt the State of Texas, its the Republic of Texas. The only one as far as I know.

      • Bruce D.

        States have the right to know who is and who is not coming into their State. They have the duty to protect the citizens of their State from criminals or illegal aliens entering the State. I feel checkpoints at the border are a good idea, especially in a known problem area. Once allowed inside the State I would be against them. If States do not have this right then you have Federalism which I am against.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Agreed. That is why I am all for Arizona doing what it needs to do to stem the tide of illegal immigration and illegal drug trade that they bring with them. And states like California that come and protest show their ignorance, as their state is bankrupt and is sucking money out of the rest of the states like a giant whirlpool, because they wont do anyting about their illegal alien population. And now they cant, because hispanics run the state, and have taken it over in the southern part, just like they said they would years ago, and it is their plan to get Texas and Arizona and New Mexico also, and as long as we have left wing pacifist appeasers running things, they will do it with out a problem. This is another reason why Democrats are dangerous to these United States.

      • texastwin827

        First, as was previously said, this was NOT the State of Texas that stopped these people. EVERY state along the Mexican border has Border Patrol checkpoints.

        Second, you DO have to know each state’s laws as they are different and what’s legal in CA may not be legal in TX. Wouldn’t matter if Texas had the law too….this is FEDERAL LAW…people in CA are prosecuted by the Feds for using marijuana even with a medical waiver.

        Might I suggest you brush up on gun laws in Texas, if you ever plan to drive through our state. They DO apply to outsiders, just like they do to Texans.

    • DeJay

      The courts will say that ignorance of the law is no excuse. I worked for an effective attorney who claimed that ignorance of the law is the best excuse. Why does every city have a law library? It’s so lawyers can go there to check on the laws governing a particular case they are trying. If you ever find yourself in a court of law, find some very stupid law and ask the judge what his/her take is on it. Chances are pretty good they won’t know.

  • albert j.

    This will continue untill WE the people stop it.

  • Jeanne Therese

    THE PEOPLE IN THE USA HAVE BEEN WARNED TIME AND TIME AGAIN. WILL THEY EVER OPEN THEIR EYES AND EARS AND LISTEN TO WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH OBAMA AS OUR LEADER?? NOT ME….I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM AND HOPE THE REST OF USA DOES NOT REELECT HIM IN 2012. I JUST HOPE IT IS NOT TOO LATE ALREADY!!!GOD BLESS AND BE WITH OUR USA!! WE NEED HIM (GOD)

    • Bill

      I agree with you when you say that obalama is a socialist dictator. This country is going down the tubes at a very fast pace, with that muslim idiot in command. I didn’t vote for this muslim either.

      • nationAP

        Give him more time and he will destroy America.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        He isnt getting more time. Over 60 of his henchman were sent packing, and he is next in 2012 at the first available time to boot him out. The boy is gone, history, kaput. He is outta here. May be the biggest defeat ever in the history of presidential elections. Im actually kind of wondering if the democrats will even let him run, as they know is is totally unelectable. His skin color may say him though, as they do not want to lose the black vote. Dont label me a racist, Im not, I just know how these people are, and they use people. Tell me, someone, anyone, just what have they done that is so wonderful for the black race that condones them getting over 90 percent of the black vote? They have done nothing to help them, just keeping them down. It is a fact, and no one can refute it. They have done nothing to merit this kind of vote percentage. Nothing.

    • Freeworld

      AMEN!

    • herman richardson

      keep dreaming

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    stop voting for these progressives then they wont be asking for your papers.

    • clh

      The papers we need to be asking for are Obama’s. Keep writing your senators, congressman and governor and DEMAND that Obama show his birth certificate. Everything he has done, is doing and will do in the future affects our every day lives for generations to come. When he can’t produce them he is out and all his progressive bills he signed, all the czars he employs at our expense, all his appointments of liberal/socialists will be gone. Keep pushing folks, our lives depend on it. I write mine everyday, including John Boehner and any others I can fit into my day.

      • Aix Sponsa

        The state of Hawaii has already certified his birth.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Virginia

        Wrong! That paper is worthless. There is no certification of his live birth. Dr. name? It’s a trumped up piece of paper. There were NO computers in hospitals when Obummer was born! WAKE UP!

      • ValDM

        Why, then, if we’ve already “seen” the BC was Hawaii’s Governor doing ALL he could to get the BC released? Do you recall that? It was less than a month ago, when Odumbo was vacationing in Hawaii for Christmas.

      • kate8

        Alix – Really? How about this:

        http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=252833

        Obama and his handlers have been dancing around this issue since before the election, and were never required to produce legitimate documentation.

        Anyone who gives Obama a pass on this is guilty of treason, as far as I’m concerned. Either the Constitution is our Law or it isn’t. If it isn’t, then we’ve been overthrown.

        Isn’t there ammple evidence that this is, in fact, the case?

      • http://www.personalliberty.com 150fowl

        Kate We have been overthrown. By law he has to prove his citizensship to be able to run for pres. He did not do that. Still refuses to and has not been forced to. His apponent McCain was required to prove his citizenship and did.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Really? Then why is it not revealed? Why has Obama spent over a quarter of a million dollars in legal fees fighting to keep from having to show it? Doesnt that light up a bulb and make you think? Why hasnt he produced his college papers and fights still to keep them hidden? Are you kidding me? Would someone actually pay to hide the truth? I dont think so Tim, as they would say on Tool Time. I dont think so Tim.

    • herman richardson

      If you think voting will change anything, I feel sorry for you. They have you convinced that something can be done, guess what folks, not going to happen. This country must follow Rome in all of it’s stupidity, it too will fall

  • Michael J.

    What to do when you have in mind to control a group of people or an entire population:

    Create a problem or enhance an existing one. then create a two-fold solution. Part one of the solution will effectively control the group or population that it’s aimed at and who cares if the the original problem created or enhanced is cured or not.

    It’s an unfortuanate reality of the Obama dictatorship we are presently cursed with that solutions are devised before problems exist.

    • nationAP

      It’s because Obama refused to profile.

      • marvin

        nationAP
        you do know their is a differance in profiling and refusing to enforce the law ,point,if two white guys rob a bank who are you going to be looking for brown .black,yellow,hell no [white] , if you have any brains,90% of illegal aliens are from mexico so is it profiling,to say most illegals are hispanic,i guess if you are a brain dead morron,you could say it is profiling, but the facts are [if you are in this country from anouther country you must carry your documents on you at all times]it is the law and you must be able to prove you are who you say you are ,you and i go to jail for giving false info to the cops,no one is or should be above the law or just be left alone because your king the great obama wants your vote

      • lkar

        God point marvin. The government does not want to “profile” but it is not profiling when statistically the majority of illegal aliens are hispanic. I travel to foriegn countries quit often and I always make sure to have my passport and visa in my pocket. It is the first document that I grab in the morning before I leave the hotel. Why? So if I am stopped (and I have been stopped in Mexico several times but not other countries) I have proof of who I am. Why is it not common sense to expect the same in the US? SB1070 was not about profiling, but about enforcing the law! The liberals won because they got to dictate the language. It is not profiling when it is obvious.

      • mr. myth

        Here’s a thought.

        The govn. says they can’t profile.

        Then why, and how do we have the profession of “CRIMINAL PROFILER”?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The politically pulled the same crap after 9-11, that it was profiling to look at middle eastern towel heads as suspects. Excuse me, it wasnt 80 year old white grandma that did these bombings. It wasnt 37 year old black cousin Eddie. It was middle eastern terrorists, and they should all be checked out severely and often. Then, and only then, maybe would they start giving up these guys who are making things hard on them. But that wont be. Ill guarantee you, if I commit a crime, and another white guy sees me do it, he will rightly tell the officer that I am the one. You wont get that out of the terrorists. They consider us infidels, the enemy, and they seek to kill us. Thats how it is, and our very own in charge protect them, and that is a sick and dangerous thing to do. It has to stop.

    • JoMama

      Michael J –
      It’s called ‘Wag the Dog.”

  • Michael J.

    Incremental conditioning towards the inevitable police state. Get used to it or stop voting for progressives.

    • TIME

      Michael,

      Thats spot on!

      • WM

        MJ is Ill in TX and CA law does not apply here, but the check point you were writing about is not a state check point.There is no such thing in TX. The check point in Sierra Blanca, TX is a US Border Patrol check point. I’m a Texan and have driven through it hundreds of times. MJ is Ill by fed law and was inforced by fed law enforcement at this check point. Period.

      • TIME

        WM,

        Yes I know of that check point as well the one in NM on I 10.
        I was almost shot in Texas on one of my trips.
        I stoped and followed all the hand motions given by the officer, who waved me on, as I started to go no less than ten guys with M 16′s jumped out of nearly nowhere all pointed at me.

        The fellow asked me why I was trying to leave I responded that you just waved me through ~ I was doing as he requested.
        {He turned white,} once he relized what he had done.

        What he wanted was for me to roll down my window. But he used the wrong hand siginal.

        They were looking for Illegals as per what they stated, as my windows in my 911 are blacked out all he saw was what he thought was a head when in fact it was just my Les Paul case straped in the seat next to me.

      • Texas John

        The issue is not wether or not marijuana is legal or not, it is an unconstitutional search on U.S. citizens.

      • mr. myth

        TJ,

        You’re right on with that! I’ve traveled all but three of these United States in years past, but I now live in WV and rarely travel outside the state. It is disheartening to see and know what this once great country has become. The terrorists have already won!

        We have our share of check points here in WV also but under the guise of sobriety. I once had the displeasure of driving through the same one three times while out running errands. I was so mad when I got home I, without hisitation, called the city police and complained. I was not nice! I told them that “this is America, NOT NAZI GERMANY”, and that it was unconsitutional and all that. The woman on the other end started asking me a series of rediculous questions that where completely unrelated and irrelevant. I stopped her and told her that she was proving my point by trying to keep me on the phone long enough to trace the call and reminded her that I had the right to voice my opinion. I said I’d make it easy for them and gave her my address and told them to send somebody over, I’d love to debate the issue. They never showed.

        As with any predator, when cornered don’t show fear. And remember, you’re guilty of nothing and you’re the one in the right. Remind them of this!

        WE THE PEOPLE have a responsibility to voice our displeasure and remind them of what country they’re in and that what they’re doing is unconstitutional and goes against everything this country stands for.

        One has to sometimes fight for freedom. This is one of those times.

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Mr. Myth,

        How do you suggest we get drunks off the road?

        Rob

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I drive on vacations all over these great United States, and I have never been stopped once to be checked out. Of course, I do stay away from the Texas and Arizona borders, and out of California, frankly because it has nothing to offer but high prices on everything, pollution like Ive never seen before, and learning how to speak spanish to communicate, which I dont find appealing at this time. And the only reason these check points and such exist, is because we have been politically correct and turned a blind eye to these guys pouring over our border for so long, that its reached epidemic levels, and now states are going bankrupt paying for them, thanks to the bleeding heart liberals. Now we all get to pay for it. Isnt that sweet.

      • Joe

        My reply is to the comment made by Mr Smith. Mr Smith, I grant that “sobriety checkpoints” have had some limited success in removing drunk drivers from the road. However, not ALL drivers who are impaired are caught in these. How would you remove the remaining impaired drivers? Should we be required, as some convicted of drunk driving are, to blow into a “breathalyzer” in order to start our cars? Just how far should the government be allowed to intrude in the name of public safety? When is enough, enough?

      • Thank god for like minded people like me!

        I’m so appreciative for the people who let me know that I’m not only in thinking that liberals are retarded.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Liberalism is a form of mental illness. Maybe it is comvered under Der Fuhrer’s health care for treatment, or maybe it will get you a death panel.

      • Robert Smith

        Death pannels are a lie.

        Why do you keep repeating it?

        Rob

      • http://racetrackdegenerate.blogspot.com lester maddox

        Read that sentence aloud and tell me you’re not retarded.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Death panels are a group of bureaucrats who decided whether you can still receive health care or not. And I believe Obama would like to get these set up in an orderly fashing as soon as he can.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        That was a type. Make that to read, an orderly fashion.

      • Michael

        Before a Federal Law can be imposed, there must first be a State Law. Therefore, if it is illegal by Texas Law then the Federal Law will apply.

        Seems citizens have little to no understanding of their right; personal, state, constitutional etc. Each State is Soveriegn.

        Recently the State of Arizona who are tenents in the peoples buildings, sold the peoples buildings to pay the states bills. This is not legal and should have never happened. The State had no right to sell the peoples property.

        States that have overspent need to downsize and reduce the size of paychecks and benfits plans. Then, they must learn to live within thier means.

        MJ should be legalized across the United States. Perhaps the market and the interest will go away accept for medicinal purposes.

        State and Federal governments must downsize. Agencies need to be disbanded that are not legal constitutionally.

      • http://racetrackdegenerate.blogspot.com lester maddox

        The MJ LINE IS Right on, But the rest is mindless drivel.

    • GreatScott

      Progressives? (Unless your including Bush style Republicans) The Patriot Act and RealID were the brainchild of Republorats. Give me a break.

      • Shane P.

        Progressives Yes Democrat & Republican Progressives!
        They will keep us fighting each other until they have completed the plan. Don’t you get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Paul S.

        Thanks Shane P. for pointing out that the government is using political issues to divide the country. Notice that every presidential election is divided right at the 50% margin, so they can manipulate the outcome. United we stand/divided we fall. Both republican and democrat leaders and the super rich elite who keep them in office and run the media are using database technology to predictably shape American politics. Soon every constitutional right and safeguard will be repudiated. Mark my words. You think you know what’s happening? Mark my words. The American dream is soon to become the American nightmare.

      • DaveH

        We do. But guess what? Bush is gone.

      • REYKOOL

        The fact that G W BUSH is gone mean absolutely nothing his father was “gone” but still pulling strings with his buddies Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld during the previous administration and also because unfortunately Presidents are just front men, First the Congress is turning Republican and the powerful Neo Cons are behind Sarah Palin trying to built the “hype” impersonating a “Tea party” member which is a big Lie because she is a just a Zionist Neo Con.like Dick Cheney BUT without the experience and knowledge , They will coach her no doubt… and sell us another “CHANGE” to replace the former failed Obama “CHANGE, YES WE CAN” .
        Bottom line we are a no longer a Federal Republic but a “Corporatist Oligarchy” and while the idiots are fighting “Republicans vs Democrats” or “Conservatives vs Liberals” over useless issues, the real “Power to be” pass legislation to consolidate their power and maintain the status Quo.
        All these “Police State” legislations “voted fo”r in the name of “National security” are exactly what Communist Russia had in the 50′s (and Obama is not the one who stated it)
        Where are all these Flag waver “cold Warriors” who were always warning us about the Soviet “Evil Empire police state ” and were screaming “the commies are coming If you see the Big Flash Duck and cover” ???
        I know where they are the are now selling us THE WAR ON TERROR. (their new Cash cow).
        RED ALERT ! AL QAEDA IS COMING WE HAVE TO TAKE YOUR LIBERTIES AWAY IN ORDER TO PROTECT YOU from the evil Arabs and other foreigners.
        How many Americans died in a car crash or from a heart attack for the past 10 Years ?
        Compare to getting kill by Al Qaeda FACT : One to 170.000. Tell this to Homeland Security and their MULTI BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET….
        Peace
        Because War is a racket

      • Al Sieber

        REYKOOL, I agree 100%.

      • Gail M. Alario

        I couldn’t agree with you more…well said. This government is using the terrorist as a way to strip every right we have left….we are all living in Big Brother thanks to our government who lies to their citizens! What a lovely country we live in….how I wish we could go back in time to correct the injustice done to each of us!

      • mr. myth

        Good stuff REYKOOL.

        Speaking of Homeland Security.

        We already had one!

        It was called ARMY, NAVY, AIR FORCE, MARINES, COAST GUARD, BORDER PATROL AND…OH YEAH, NATIONAL GUARD!

      • gthog61

        “zionist neocon” = red flag that a kook has gained access to a keyboard

      • Paul S.

        Thanks Reykool for stating the truth. It amazes me that so few Americans understand what is really going on. Nevertheless, the question is, “How do we stop them.” And I can tell you part of the Answer: Elect Ron Paul! Do most or any of you people know what Ron Paul is saying? He says that we need to audit the Federal Reserve, which is a private organization, and return the power to print money to the congress, and/or the people. Unfortunately, if he does that then he’s likely to get shot like the last two presidents who did that, among others before them. (Lincoln and Kennedy). The American people need to elect Ron Paul, and back him up and protect him.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Bush is retired, relaxing and enjoying life, away from politics. He is not involved, and you owe him a load of thanks for keeping you safe for these last 10 years. Soon that safeness will be worn out, as these guys in power now, have let it slip away, and once again the enemy is setting up its shop to start blowing up things, as these lefties in power, much like Clinton, are sleeping and not watching out for our safety. You can bet on that one pal.

      • nationAP

        Senate Democrats back TSA ‘virtual strip searches’.

      • http://MozzelaFirefox Jo

        They need to be voted out of office!!! Until than, when they fly they get molested and porno scanned like the rest of us. No opt outs like the muslims get.

      • patriotpartisan

        Before you rely on the ol’ mud-slinging, finger pointing, blame games; understand Barry Soetoro expanded the Patriot Act and enhanced DHS powers to include using your own kids against you in a snitch program designed to diminish even the civil rights that they can’t legally monitor from the streets… this is no longer Left vs. Right, it’s us vs. them by their own design! We are all living in “glass houses” now!!

      • TIME

        GS, The Patriot Act was written in 1993 by Joe Bidden, “can you say a law wainting on an event?”
        Yes Joe is progressive, so to was Willson, FDR, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush 1 Clinton’s both H&B, Bush 2, even Barry.

        So whats your point again?

      • http://www.personalliberty.com 150fowl

        Time: you are so correct. Bush 1 stated on national tv that we are ready for a 1 world gov. Look on utube. Hillery stated on national tv at a pres. canadate debate that she is a progressive. They have come so far they are not afraid to state their intensions. Any one who blames any one party is stupid. All gov is involved. Also the main press. Wake up people and save our country and our liberty and constitution. Time is wright

      • Boogie

        OK guys,
        We are very near the 2nd Amendment solution is the only solution.
        I hate it but the Democrats said it first!
        They said on public TV that we agree with Chairman Mao that political power comes by and large from the barrel of a gun!
        When someone dare to say maybe the 2nd amendment solution might be what is necessary they went balistic and have not shut up yet about the Tea Party, Republicans and the Conservatives threatening violance!
        Please read the 2nd amendment.
        Skipping all the rest it states very clearly, “shall not be infinged!”
        That is not a right to have weapon. It is the assumption you were born with the inate right to protect yourself by what ever means and that the government of this once great country will not infringe on that God Given right.
        For the propondence of idiots I see posting here. It also says ”
        A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
        Hummm “being necessary to the securityh of a free State………….
        Must be talking about an out of control bunch of elected officials who have forgotten that this country is a “Republic!” Not a damned designed to fail Democracy! Think people. Democracy always leads to Socailisim or worse, “if it could be worse!”
        The 2nd amendment is not to protect us from an invading army, it’s a last recorse for elected officials who think they are leaders of the people of this country. THEY ARE ELECTED OFFICALS, “SERVENTS OF THE PEOPLE” THE OFFICIALS ARE THE PEOPLE.
        Read people! It’s simple but then our Public schools don’t teach, they indoctronate.
        Hell I’m gonna stop I’m preaching commons sense to a crowd of mostly idiots.
        Your getting just what you deserve you stupid jerks!
        So the old say it loudly and long enough it is preceived as the truth is working for the Lemmings I live with in this once great country.

      • http://racetrackdegenerate.blogspot.com lester maddox

        Time is wright? What the hell does that mean?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Hillery is a prostitute. She stayed with Bill because of the political connections and the power she could have being a Clinton, no doubt about it. She whored herself out for power. Shame on her.

      • Vicki

        It took a little longer than normal for me to track it down but Joe appears to have sponsored (written?) S.390 Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995 and introduced in Feb of that year

        thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d104:S390:

        From the various articles on the subject of who wrote the patriot act most seem to point to S.390 as evidence that Joe Biden actually was the author because of (alleged) similarities to the Patriot Act.

        The official author of the Patriot Act is listed as then (circa 2001) Assistant Attorney General Viet Dinh.

        I used up my one link per post above.

      • leofa

        do i know you?

      • Paul S.

        You are so right Boogie! Are you aware of what Ron Paul is doing? Do you know the history of the Federal Reserve? Watch the movie titled, ” The Money Masters” for a history of the Fed on youtube. The Federal Reserve is behind all the trash that is happening today, but there is a group that is behind the Feds. Nevertheless, I will not tell you who because you will never believe it. Needless to say, if we can stop the Fed, then America may be able to survive. That is just what Ron Paul is trying to do, but if we elect him president, then we must stand behind him and protect him, because they will try to kill him just like they did the last two presidents who stood up to the Fed (Lincoln, and Kennedy) and others before them.

      • Michael J.

        GreatScott,
        That’s correct, progressivism does not discriminate between left and right. It’s an ambidextrous dilemma.

      • bear

        Good morning Michael. Looks like your political alarm clock just went off. That’s right! There is no longer a Republican and Democratic party. Both have been infiltrated, if you like, with “progressives.” All of these individuals have Socialist/Marxist ideals and phylosophies. What we are looking at for our salvation is individuals with the Tea Party ideals of smaller government and re-expansion of individual liberties. At a point, Americans who value the ideals of our founding fathers will take up arms as a last resort if we can not re-establish our Republic with ballots. That is a reality we all must face as ugly and fearsome as it may be. Slavery by government is not an option. It is not what we are all about. Go to this link and see what this man has to say about things.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuEc-nFULY8

      • Wlmitch1

        Good afternoon, Bear. I believe that the solution is for Constitutional Conservatives, TEA Party members and other American Patriots who understand the founding principles of our Nation to pick a political party, infiltrate it, and take it over from within. Our best chance to do this, is with the Republican Party, the SAME WAY in which the Leftists and Marxists did with the Democratic Party. This will transform the Republican Party into the party of We The People while the Democratic Party becomes exclusively the party of the Statists. The process has already begun. We cannot do it overnight; it will take two, three, or perhaps even four more election cycles, but it CAN be done.

      • Vicki

        It would be good to remind people that left/right is NOT the political axis we should be caring about. The dangerous political axis is 100%-0% government.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      • Phil

        Heh……I don’t like to use the word “progressives”, just call em what they are COMMUNISTS!!! Marx was the founder of communism and called for the forced overthrow of all governments in his manifesto. A buddy mistakenly thinks otherwise till I show him that page reference to “we the communists…..” and the call to overthrow by force if neccessary all governments to take their place in the world communist government,etc. Anyway too..I cringe everytime I see that video of Anita Dunn and her “admiration” of Chairman Mao…oy!! heh.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        GreatScott,
        actually the archetech of the patriot act is none other than good ole’ Joe “footinthemouth” Biden!! He has stated it himself!!

      • Robert Smith

        Bush didn’t have to sign it.

        The repugs are really good at letting nothing pass.

        Rob

      • independant thinker

        Obama did not have to sign the renewal and expansion of the un-patriot act either but your hero did.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        If it wasnt for the Repubs building back up our intelligence agencies that Bill Clinton decimated, and building back up our military, that Bill Clinton decimated, you wouldnt be free today. You would be wearing a towel on your head you idiot. They are the only reason you are safe and still free. And once again, our security is taking a back seat while these guys sleep in office. You watch, we will get hit again shortly after the election in 2012, because the enemy has been given the Obama years to set up their operation, as these guys have cut back on homeland security that has kept us safe, which was a top priority of Bush, and we have been kept safe. Of course, while Obama sleeps, and these terrorists are setting their plan up and getting everything in place, it wont happen until after the Obamination is voted out and a Republican comes in, then shortly after, as they are getting their admin set up, Kaboom, and you lefties will blame it on them, when everyone knows it takes them a few years to set it all up, under the watch of Clinton first, and now under the watch of Obama. You watch and see, and you guy will stand there and point fingers and blame others. I can see it already.

      • Dan az

        GS
        Police State describes a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population, especially by means of a secret police force.

        A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive. In the police state, rights are non existent and laws are selectively enforced.

        The inhabitants of a police state experience restrictions on their mobility, and on their freedom to express or communicate political or other views, which are subject to police monitoring or enforcement. Political control may be exerted by means of a secret police force, which operates outside the boundaries normally imposed by a constitutional state.

      • Kevin

        Inside the box, everything seems normal. We have our conservative and liberal debates. We debate the war in the middle east. We debate healthcare, the Patriot Act, the Bailouts. We even debate whether what we have in America is capitalism, socialism, communism, etc. Nothing seems out of place. Meanwhile outside the box, government and their corporate partners get away with nearly anything, because they have created the illusion that there is a difference between the right and left leadership, which there isn’t. The key is the illusion, which allows them to regulate, deregulate, regulate, deregulate, war, peace, war, peace, etc. arbitrarily deciding whatever scheme suites their needs at any particular time.

      • Michael

        Those Democrats promoting Green have the ability to profit from the bills they pass. Those Republicans who promote big oil, profit from billes they pass. Why is our government involved in passing bills that fund what Free Enterprise/Free Market should be providing?

        Get Government out of Business and get the Lobbyists and special ingerest groups out of Congress and make it illegal for them to approach our Representatives and for our
        Representatives to do business with them.

    • David

      It’s all the plan of the international bankers and corporations, the politicians are just bought and paid puppets.

    • DENNIS

      I WOULD NOT MIND IT IF THEY WERE ROUNDING UP ILLEGALS ON THE SPOT AND DEPORTING THEM,,, BUT,JUST TO HARASS PEOPLE FOR DRUGS IS NOT THE WAY TO GO, I DON’T SMOKE OR DRINK, BUT BELIEVE DRUGS SHOULD BE LEGALIZED, GIVING FARMERS SOMETHING TO GROW, TAXED TO INCREASE REVENUE, CLEAR OUT THE PRISONS OF LOW LEVEL DRUG CRIMINALS, ETC ETC. BUT THESE STOPS SHOULD BE DISCONTINUED UNLESS THEY ARE ACTUALLY DEPORTING THE ILLEGALS,,,

      • JoMama

        DENNIS – I agree with you – except for ONE thing. Not all drugs should be legalized. Probably just marijuana – that’s it. Although, I was watching a documentary on drugs in the world. Portugal had a HUGE drug problem & made ALL drugs legal – yes, it’s true. BUT the upside of that is that kids were not using drugs & didn’t want to. It was kind of like ‘reverse physcology’. And nobody (even though they all had the go ahead) wanted NOTHING to do with ANY of those drugs. It took care of the problem in Portugal!!

      • JoMama

        One more thing – if you got NOTHING to hide – you shouldn’t worry about the checkpoints. Let them search. I think it’s great they finally do something & ask about immigration status.
        Damned if you do – damned if you don’t.
        Help me make up my mind. Don’t complain when they actually DO something.

      • http://google.com Allan M Parker

        They shouls do all the checking at the Borders not on US Highways

      • bear

        Interesting observation and suggestion. So, you think this hasn’t been proposed here in America? Of course it has! So, why hasn’t something been done to go in this direction? I’ll tell you why. Many of our government officials and politicians have their hands in the drug pie and it would mean a huge loss of income to them from what is now a lucrative business venture. That’s the wake up call. Look at what happened to the bootleggers when Prohibition ended. DUH!

      • Vicki

        The checkpoint searches for drugs is unconstitutional on its face:
        4th Amendment to the Constitution for the United States reads:

        “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

        The war on (some) drugs is a little harder to show as unconstitutional. However the right of the people to be secure in there houses, papers and EFFECTS which has long been used to support the right of the people to own property other than real estate would apply.

        Here is some more discussion on property rights. They are talking about land but the logic applies equally to a person’s effects.
        http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/understand-this-under-the-u-s-constitution-property-is-not-a-theory/

      • Vicki

        Evidence that effects in the 4th amendment means personal property. I.E. Marijuana.

        http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100831070915AAvTbsg

      • Vicki

        And of course you will find no where in the Constitution did We, The People delegate to the Federal Government the power to forbid us from owning and using Marijuana. This fact alone should be prima-facie evidence of the unconstitutional nature of laws forbidding ownership of Marijuana.

        At least during Prohibition the Federal Government had the guts to get an amendment to the Constitution. Now they just claim they have the power thru the commerce clause. I have read that clause. No where does it say that the Federal Government can forbid ownership.

        http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/Commerce_Clause

      • leofa

        for people who do not understand “inalienable rights,” the bill of rights was authored. article 4 refers to the right of the people to be secure in their persons houses papers and effects from unreasonable search and seizure. if there is a reason it needs to be supported with a warrant based on evidence, not an arbitrary search based on “suspicion” or “suspicious activity.”
        article 5 was written to protect people from “routine questioning.” If you are walking, driving, or whatever, it is no pigs business what you are doing or where you are going. He or she has no right to stop and question you. Unfortunately, they do have the lawful authority to stop you and question you and demand gov ID. Warning: they will frequently exceed their authority and make an unlawful search (with or without a warrant)

      • Vicki

        leofa writes:
        “Unfortunately, they do have the lawful authority to stop you and question you and demand gov ID.”

        They have the power to ask you to identify yourself. They do not have the authority to demand that you show them your papers. (unless you are a slave to their highway system. I.E. Driving your property on the kings roads.) It is possible in some states you can refuse to identify yourself.

        http://www.knowmyrights.org/faq/4th-amendment/when-do-i-have-to-show-id.html

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Bear is correct. The lawyers running the DEA, the courts, the whole legal system, and politics, are all making too much money on drugs being illegal, as the collect payoffs right and left, and legal fees both defending and prosecuting drug dealers, and common users, that get court appointed lawyers. Its all a money game. The lawyers are cashing in. To legalize it, the money would go into the Federal Coffers in stead of their greedy little pockets, and they arent going to have that now, are they? No they are not.

      • DeJay

        A couple years ago we went just across the border into Mexico from Texas and all drugs were openly being sold in stores and street booths. One doesn’t have to go to Portugal to buy drugs w/o a prescription.

      • marvin

        JoMama says:
        the other side is alcohol is a drug and cigs have drugs both are legal both kill millions, children as young as 11 are smoking and drankin and get addicted ,or they get their mom or dads pills out of the med cabnet,or huff on spray cans,educations is the ansure not more legal drugs, is their a easy fix no, but making drugs easer to get is not the ansure ether

      • leofa

        alcohol is still illegal. the only thing that was legalized was the payoff now paid as a liquor tax. pay the tax and you’re good to go

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are right about alcohol. It has killed more people, caused more divorces, caused more spousal abuse, destroyed more families and marriages, than cocaine, marijuana, heroin and all the other drugs, COMBINED. Its true. Yet society not only accepts it, they recommend it and advertise it to all. Because they dont care, because they are making legal money off of it in the form of federal and state taxes. But it is a killer, worst than any drug out there.

      • Carol Dines

        If we could get Congress to pass H.B. 25, the FairTax, which eliminates the IRS and collects taxes only at the point of purchase, Legalize the sale of drugs in an appropriate place to adults only, along with other traditionaly “bad” things and make it easier for foreign nationals to obtain work permits, we could wipe out the national debt, get control of who enters the country, pass corrections to our laws making sure they are not producing anchor babies, we could get rid of most of our current financial and criminal activity problems, along with riding Congress of temptation to corruption.

        Read about the FairTax on line, you will fall in love with it too!

    • JRC

      On the one hand, we all want illegals removed from this country, drugs removed from the streets but when measures taken to do it inconveniences someone they cry and whine…..sorry pal, that’s just how it is. He cries about his daughter, what is she a moron with an IQ of minus 100? EVERYONE knows that if your state has laws permitting use of Marijuana for medical purposes that those laws do NOT apply outside the state…you even get a written warning to that fact…. and you keep your drugs at home when you leave the state. I mean, come on people, you cry about states rights yet when one state rejects the rules of another and it inconveniences you, you cry wolf. Grow up. Either support and applaud the initiative to get drugs, illegal weapons and illegals of the street or vote Democrat and sing peace songs watching our country being destroyed. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

      • Bonnie

        Oh yeah, the ol “If you don’t have anything to hide, you don’t have to worry.” Do you believe in Constitutional government? Do you believe you live in a Democratic Republic? Congresses total disregard for the Constitution is treason. Bushes war crimes were treason,Obama’s continuation of Bush policies is treason. Members of the Bush administration should have been tried in a court of law, International Court, for disregarding the Geneva Convention. Obama dismissed their crimes. Do you believe that citizens can petition the government for redress of grievances? Think again! The federal government is beyond help because they are puppets of International Corporations, and their foreign policy is dictated by the AIPAC and the CFR.

      • DeJay

        If you read what I read, the United States is a corporation and corporations are controlled by the Elders of Zion. Our federal governmant is a place where no one is in control, yet everyone is controlling. Who is really running the show??

      • Dan az

        A little off topic but just as important,behind closed doors once again and look its not bushes fault.
        7-19-2010 Executive Order

        Moving to the Executive Order, Obama hereby orders as follows in Section 2 (b) (iii): pursuing the United State’s accession into the Law of the Sea Convention. Note the intent to make an end run around the constitutionally required separate two-thirds U.S. Senate vote necessary to ratify a treaty by burying this in associated documents – not in the bill itself. Read more 2

        CLEAR Act (Consolidated Land, Energy and Aquatic Resources, HR3534)

        This act creates the Regional Outer Continental Shelf Council which will coordinate siting and development of energy resources and prepare OCS strategies. What will these strategies entail? Further moratoriums? High costs for permitting?

        It amends the Land and Water Conservation fund to make $900 million available to the fund for each fiscal year until 2040 without further appropriation. It allows grants to coastal states and Indian tribes, the Secretary of the Interior to update regional assessments, regional ocean partnerships and regional coordinating councils, ensuring government, nongovernment organizations and academic entities are considered (Section 605 (a) (3) (A) (B) and (C).

        Pay attention to Section 106-e: References –relating to the Service in statutes Executive Orders, rules, regulations, directives, or delegations of authority that precede the effective date of this act are deemed to refer as appropriate to the Department, to its officers, employees, or agents, or to its corresponding organizational units or functions. Congress will no longer be needed to vote on those pesky little treaties; the UN will take care of everything.

        The CLEAR Act repeals the Energy Policy Act of 2005 by removing royalty incentives for natural gas production from deep wells in shallow Gulf waters, removes royalty relief for deep-water production and directs the Secretary of the Interior to establish fees for leases with less than commercial quantities. So here is the Cap and Trade/ Climate part and job-killing component of the legislation. Don’t forget the Conservation Fees of $2 per barrel of oil and 20 cents per BTU of natural gas in Section 802 will be that much more we consumers must pay.

        It prohibits the following authorities from developing a fishery management plan, which is the way we have been doing business: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Secretary of Commerce and Regional Fishery Management Councils. In other words, current management of our oceans within the United States will be superseded by the National Ocean Council, comprised of some of the most radical environmentalists in our Administration, co-chaired by Nancy Sutley, White House Council on Environmental Quality and Dr. John P. Holdren, White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/07/19/meet-national-ocean-council)

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        The true intent of the CLEAR Act and its associated documents will change the way we do business with regard to our land, oceans, coastal areas and Great Lakes. All air space above the oceans, what operates in, through, on or is derived from underneath the water, will be subject to taxes as a world resource to the United Nations – Agenda 21. These areas will no longer be owned and managed solely by the United States, as they are newly defined as a global revenue, “social justice” source per the Law of the Sea Treaty.

        All life in these waterways and all adjacent land masses will be directly affected by this legislation. Decisions will be guided by the Rio Declaration of 1992, requiring no scientific proof of threats or damage to justify corrective action, more regulations and fines.

        Consensus is the objective, but the president will make the final decision if one can’t be reached. The Administration will retain the final determination on resolving disputes with States and their governors (Section 222). Read more 3

        http://www.eoearth.org/article/United_Nations_Conference_on_Environment_and_Development_(UNCED),_Rio_de_Janeiro,_Brazil#gen2

      • marvin

        Bonnie
        i would say this to you if what the bush amend done where war crimes to try and protect your sorry ass you need to move to mexico,my point is i belive in the constitutions due process and the law but people from other country are not bound by are laws and they don,t like us and want to do you harm,or want to use you, somethings are not black and white one thing california laws do not cross state lines they are not enforceable in texas or alabama only cal laws are cal laws you don,t like a law get it changed,i say if a road block is to stop and look for drugs or illegals,driver lic,ins card,registration,as long as it is expedient,we have trafic stop here in alabama ever day do i like them no do i understand why yes ,would i rat on a person because he looked differant or was doing something ,most likely not that would depend on what they where doing engage brain befor opening mouth,the sword will kill,but the spoken word can and will distroy

      • kate8

        Maybe all the checkpoints are just another part of getting us used to living in a police state.

        If the government really wanted to do something about illegals and the illegal drug trade, they wouldn’t make coming to America so attractive. Illegals seem exempt from our laws while being welcomed to benefit from any jobs and social programs. In fact, they seem to get preference in too many cases.

        It seems that being a citizen has become a liability in America. You get nailed for the least infraction, while the real criminals are ignored and allowed to roam free to ply their ‘trade’, courtesy of the American taxpayer.

        We could close our borders and send the illegals home. If they can find us, they can find illegals. The problem would be solved, and our streets, towns and cities safer.

        But we all know this is not what’s it’s all about.

      • don

        This is what we get when Obama is always being blamed for not keeping us safe.

      • JRC

        The US is NOT a democratic republic….never has been never will be.
        We are a constitutional republic….there is a big difference.
        And this difference is what a lot of times people on both sides of the divide don’t understand. The right as guilty as the left.

        In a democratic republic the majority of the people votes in a democratic way and the government has to uphold the will of the majority of the people….Germany is a democratic republic, the US is NOT.

        Our forefathers knew the short comings of a democratic republic and the possibility of majority mob rule and the possibility of the majority suppressing the rights of the individual and minority through majority laws.

        This is why they founded a “Constitutional Republic”.
        In the constitutional republic, the government has to uphold the constitution the bill of rights and the law even AGAINST the will of the majority….the will of the majority does NOT count, the constitution and the bill of rights are the only binding rules that counts. In a constitutional republic an individual, and a minority have the same rights and protection under the constitution as have the majority…..thus we have a bill of rights. and thus Muslims have the same protections as Christians and legal immigrants have the same protection as citizens….period

        A lot of times I see people on the right say…The government did this or that and that is NOT what the majority wants…..they don’t get it…it is NOT what the majority wants that counts but what the constitution dictates and what action is within the framework of said constitution and the bill of rights.

      • independant thinker

        When I was in school we were taught the United States was a democratic republic. Democratic because we vote for those who are supposed to represent us in Washington a republic because we have the constitution which those elected by us are supposed to honor when voting on the laws/rules/regulations we live under.

      • Vicki

        JRC writes:
        “We are a constitutional republic….there is a big difference.”

        WE as in the United States are supposed to be a Constitutionally LIMITED republic….there is and even bigger difference.

      • Vicki

        JRC Writes:
        “This is why they founded a “Constitutional Republic”.
        In the constitutional republic, the government has to uphold the constitution the bill of rights and the law even AGAINST the will of the majority….the will of the majority does NOT count, the constitution and the bill of rights are the only binding rules that counts. ”

        Other than the key concept of LIMITED you are correct.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      • http://www.personalliberty.com 150fowl

        Bonnie: It sounds like you had a smile on your face after the Oklahoma bombing, the first tower bonbing and the 9-11 bombing. It took to long for retaliation. That is one thing I will thank Bush for.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com 150fowl

        Bonnie, Bonnie, I hope you did not have a smile on your face after the Oklahoma City boming, the first tower bombing and 9-11. It sounds like it. You want to sit in your chair at home untill they bomb a school and kill your kids? It is one thing I think Bush did right. If we have an enemy that wants us dead should this nation sit on its but like we did during his Dads and the Clinton perion? NO!!!

      • lkar

        This sound two faced, but I agree with the writer and JRC. Here is what I mean:
        The border is not secure, drugs enter this country virtually unabated, and CA law is polar opposite of TX law.
        Illegal Aliens need to be deported and the border needs to be secure. This would solve the first problem and likely reduce or end these types of check points. However, it seems the federal government does not want to secure our borders and they sue states that try to clean-up the illegal alien invasion.
        We have had a “war on Drugs” for over 20 years. Why is it we cannot win? Overcrowding in prisons allows most dealers to plea bargain for a lower sentence. This reduces their liability and consequences for getting caught. Government induced poverty (housing projects) entices many to seek economic freedom by dealing drugs and emotional freedom by doing drugs.
        California has some of the most liberal laws in the US. Why wouold it surprise anyone traveling to Texas that their laws are much more conservative. Gun laws vary from state to state and most honest people take extra precautions when transporting their gun. Why would they think drugs are any different?
        However, as a free society we should question the effectiveness to check points as opposed to not having them. If they lead to improving results for the goal (eliminating illegal aliens, eliminating illegal drugs), then check points should be embraced. If they prove to be of no value, the checkpoint system must be abandoned.
        Which I question the value of the TSA. Even with the TSA, bomb attempts succeeded (only the incompentence of the bomber avoided the catastrophy). I think you could reduce the TSA staffing by 80% or more and rely on intell and profiling for air travel security.

      • Thor

        Having worked many check points, I can testify to the fact they work. In fifteen years, never set one up without making an arrest.

      • Vicki

        “pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be
        much easier to deal with.” (‘Atlas Shrugged’ 1957)

      • Vicki

        For example
        http://library.findlaw.com/1999/Mar/18/128202.html
        It is unlawful for any person to import, export, transport, sell, receive, acquire, possess, or purchase any fish, wildlife, or plant taken, possessed, transported, or sold in violation of any Federal, State, foreign, or Indian tribal law, treaty, or regulation.

        So if you possess ANY fish or wildlife that is illegal to possess in ANY country in the WORLD YOU can be prosecuted here in the US. You will also notice that since marijuana is illegal in several countries you can not possess it here even if ALL the drug laws were repealed.

        Do you feel the chains yet?

      • mr. myth

        THOR, you’re missing the point! (Which is not surprizing). It’s not about the one you arrest, It’s about the 20,000 you don’t!

        It’s people like you that are willing to do whatever you’re told regardless the Constitutionality of said instructions. How do you think people like Hitler or Saddam take control as dictators? They get weak minded people like you to do their bidding. THINK BEFORE YOU ACT!

      • Vicki

        Ikar writes:
        “We have had a “war on Drugs” for over 20 years”

        More like 50+

        We can’t win because the initial premise is flawed. For a free people it can NOT be illegal to own anything. For subjects (slaves) the government (rulers, Masters) can and do control what the slaves are allowed to possess.

      • rick c

        What exactly is an ILLEAGLE WEAPON ????

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are dead on correct. It the same with a weapon. In Indiana, you can carry a concealed weapon. But I cant take this with me and go into a bar in New York with it? Id end up like Plaxico Burress, in jail, all though I wouldnt be dumb enough to put it in the pocket of a pair of sweat pants and shoot my own bad self with it. You cant take certain things certain places, and thats the way it is. Accept it, be aware of it, and dont cry about it when your ignorant of the law and get caught. That is your responsibility to know what your doing.

    • herman richardson

      The Lone star state has more things going on, my friend worked at the local prison, there are 7 here, a town of 18000, she retires as do lots of those old punk guards yearly. Short store is they surrender their employment cards and are issued Law Enforcement Officer Participate card instead….so some of those mouth breathers have the right to abuse folks in the free world, alot like what they do in joint. Doesn’t it make you feel safer?????
      WAKE UP

    • Stan

      You overlook the fact that the Greatest Attack on Freedom in American History, the Patriot Acts I&II along with the Spying on America Acts were Republican Legislations.

      The problem is with BOTH Parties.
      As long as we keep voting for either party things will only get worse.

      • independant thinker

        “You overlook the fact that the Greatest Attack on Freedom in American History, the Patriot Acts I&II along with the Spying on America Acts were Republican Legislations.

        The problem is with BOTH Parties.
        As long as we keep voting for either party things will only get worse.”

        While you ignore the FACT that a democrat (Biden) wrote the un-patriot and and it was renewed and expanded by a democrat party controled congress with a democrat presidents (Obamas) approval.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        If they taped phone calls and caught one terrorist, which they caught many setting up their dirty deeds, Im all for it. Gee, maybe if Clinton hadnt had cut intelligence in half, and had this in place, we would have caught these guys in the setting up process of 9-11 and some 2000 people would still be alive. Now theres a thought. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Im against government intrusion myself, dont get me wrong. But when youve got 4 million of these illegals running around in this country, and you dont know how many of them are the middle eastern terrorist types, I say tape, and tape some more, I could care less. If they hear me tell my wife I love her, big stinking deal. Ive nothing to hide. They arent doing to to empower themselves, it was done to catch Ali Habib and his band of 40 theives, and they did catch a few doing this. Funny, I never heard any uproar over this when they were taping John Gotti and Sammy the Bull Gravano before they put them away. Why wasnt anyone in an uproar over that? Kind of amazes me actually. If it catches the bad guys, Im not going to complain about it.

    • patrick H.T. paine

      ” To conquer, first divide!”

      Article 4, Section 1

      Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

      The Constitution of the U.S. does NOT require interpretation, nor
      does any such power exist…..of course, once a system of government
      has been corrupted……in this instance, a strong Federal government,
      which was what the document ( and our history ) was specically
      intended to prevent, one can expect that any legal constraints,
      attempting to restrain it, will be ignored and over time, the meaning
      and/or intent, diluted so that any attempt at resistance or restoration is rendered, both meaningless and ineffectual.

      It is impossible to expect a “fair and impartial” judgement from
      those who have an interest in the outcome…….and despite the
      numerous “checks and balances” that were inserted in the beginning:
      seperation of powers, executive, legislative, judicial…at
      both federal and state, levels of government, and the ultimate
      balance of federal, state and ultimately “We the People”, all of
      this has failed……and the victims are so easily distracted, by
      appeals to their “perceived self interest”…..and the very REAL
      need, it would seem, to control the behavior of others…..whether
      or not this behavior, has any meaningful impact or relevance on
      individuals or society. ( the end result seperately or together,
      is still hung )

      Why is it, that when legislation is passed, its goals and intent
      are not clearly stated at the outset? ( and why when these attempts
      have failed or outlived their purpose, are they so hard to get rid of?)

      Weren’t gasoline taxes intended to maintain infra structure?

      Didn’t the so-called tobacco settlement have a specific purpose
      attached to the funds? More importantly, why didn’t this settlement
      force the removal of all the additives, which are far more
      damaging than any effects of the natural product? Why hasn’t the
      FDA done this?

      Why in the instance of the checkpoints cited here, is the intent
      not clearly stated….which would prevent the obvious abuses……?

      All human behavior, carries with it, natural consequences and potential downside when one acts irresponsibly……laws intended
      or directed at punishing “maybe harm” have little effect on irresponsible behavior, and produce an illusion of safety, where
      none actually exists…..as a pedestrian in a crosswalk with a
      walk symbol can not trust that a negligent driver will not
      run him down…..in the simplest sense……to the potential abuse
      of power of those entrusted to “enforce” these laws…..as they are
      a revenue source for the state, in the least instance, and an
      invitation for “corruption” and “self enrichment”, at the worst
      level.

      Since all of this is well known to all of us, one wonders why
      criminal penalties for those who violate the public trust
      are not far more severe than that of citizens convicted of
      similar offenses?

      Do not ask for whom the bell tolls…..

      • Al Sieber

        patrick H.T., good post, very well put. the bell tolls for us, that don’t listen.

    • eddie47d

      Michael J., 1984 and Blank Slate were written long before 2011 and everything mentioned in this article (surveillance cameras and big brother)has also been around.It get’s a little irksome that those on the Right pushed through the Patriot Act,brought us Watergate,hire Blackwater to do their dirty work,set up conviction laws that gives us the largest incarceration rate in the world (mostly over drugs) and you have the audacity to blame it on Progressives.I don’t think John Pugsley was making this into a left-right issue but you brought it up right off the bat. I’m against airport x-ray scanners but they were developed a decade ago and have been in use since then. So that doesn’t seen to be a Progressive idea either.

      • eddie47d

        Michael; You proved my point in your next comment by blaming Obama and saying he is creating problems before they exist. They existed big time! Long before Obama.

      • eddie47d

        That should have been posted after Michael J.’s post at 6:54am.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Watergate? Your paranoid about Watergate? One side wanted to hear what the other was doing? Its been going on for years. Big deal Pal. As Lynyrd Skynyrd brought up, my conscience doesnt bother me, does yours? And you mentioned Blackwater. What about the one Hillary was in, what was it called, Rosewater? About her dirty dealings in the Rose Law Firm? Funny you ommitted that one. Selective attacks dont you think? What about the dems committment and relationship to one George Soros? That is the one that really needs investigating. What about Al Gore and all his global warming lies trying to get the government to force us all to buy his green technology so he could become a billionaire. And that just went away. To me, that was criminal. But no investigation by the media. Hmmm. Smells like a rat.

    • EddieW

      Police State is coming yes, but we have another problem, a little more important right now…China is devaluing the dollar by 30% Many other countries will quickly follow suit!! We get a lot of our clothes, electronics and other things from there…Oyr food could do like Yugoslavia, where a loaf of bread went from 1.00 to 100,000 dollars!! Stock in some food before summer, and clothes if you are going to need them…prices will go through the roof!!!

      • JRC

        It was always just fine when the US changed the value of the dollar on a whim for the corporations to make more profit, and nobody ever cared how other countries made out and struggled. Now that the shoe is on the other foot we cry wolf.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And it will only get worse when youve got government growing Democrats at the helm. Soon that will change.

    • Lewis Munn

      Agreed,

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