USNpops, All true statements but I fail to see what that has to do with the First Amendment, which states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” That is, no power was delegated to the federal government concerning religion. Religion is one of those rights that were retained by the people (Amendment X).

“The U.S. Constitution is the finger of the ALMIGHTY HAND which has been so frequently and signally extended to our relief in the critical stages of the Revolution.” James Madison. Almighty hand means the Hand of God.

“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” George Washington.

“I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good from the Saviour of this world is communicated to us through this book!” Abraham Lincoln.

“We believe that all men are created equal, because they are created in the image of God!” Harry S. Truman.

“If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under.” Ronald Reagan.

“We recognize no Sovereign but God, and no king but Jesus!” John Adams.

Does this help clear up matters on what kind of nation we are and what we are founded on? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai, we were indeed founded as a Christian nation. The people didn’t want their government to mess with that. I believe the 501(c)(3) tax exemption offered to religious organizations, if they would refrain from political activity, is unconstitutional, tax laws are supposed to applied uniformly. Congress opens every session with a prayer to Almighty God, which used to end with ‘in the name of Jesus Christ,’ but now they omit that. The restriction in the Bill of Rights is only against making ‘law,’ not acting like Christians.

Wrong James

Here another quote from James Madison:

“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”

Coal dungger, here is another quote from James Madison:
“The U.S. Constitution is the finger of that Almighty Hand which has been so frequently and signally extended to our relief in the critical stages of the Revolution.” The Almighty Hand is the Hand of God moron. By the way, this was after 1785. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Coal miner, Yes but all of the Founding Fathers were Christians, two were Catholics and the rest were Protestants. These were the same men that added the Bill of Rights restrictions to the national government.

Coal dungger doesn’t know that 29 of 56 founding fathers also held degrees from seminaries. Sounds Christian to me. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai,

The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole carloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity.
John Adams

Samurai,

You just stuck your foot in your mouth again.Read this website I just pasted.

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

Here’s more from John Adams:

“The Christian religion is…the Religion of Wisdom, Virtue, Equity, and Humanity.”

“It is religion and morality alone, which we can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand.”

In the second quote, the religion is Christianity, no other. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Coal miner, Congratulations, you have discovered that modern Christian doctrine is nowhere to be found in the Holy Writ.

Samurai,

Here is more,dirt bag.

Called the father of the Constitution, Madison had no conventional sense of Christianity. In 1785, Madison wrote in his Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments:

“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”

“What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.”

Benjamin Franklin
Although Franklin received religious training, his nature forced him to rebel against the irrational tenets of his parents Christianity. His Autobiography revels his skepticism, “My parents had given me betimes religions impressions, and I received from my infancy a pious education in the principles of Calvinism. But scarcely was I arrived at fifteen years of age, when, after having doubted in turn of different tenets, according as I found them combated in the different books that I read, I began to doubt of Revelation itself.

“. . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a through Deist.”

In an essay on “Toleration,” Franklin wrote:

“If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. These found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here [England] and in New England.”

Dr. Priestley, an intimate friend of Franklin, wrote of him:

“It is much to be lamented that a man of Franklin’s general good character and great influence should have been an unbeliever in Christianity, and also have done as much as he did to make others unbelievers” (Priestley’s Autobiography)

Thomas Paine

This freethinker and author of several books, influenced more early Americans than any other writer. Although he held Deist beliefs, he wrote in his famous The Age of Reason:

“I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. ”

“Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. ”

The U.S. Constitution
The most convincing evidence that our government did not ground itself upon Christianity comes from the very document that defines it– the United States Constitution.

If indeed our Framers had aimed to found a Christian republic, it would seem highly unlikely that they would have forgotten to leave out their Christian intentions in the Supreme law of the land. In fact, nowhere in the Constitution do we have a single mention God,Christ or a supreme Being.

samurai,

Here is more brainless one.
My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.
– Abraham Lincoln

Coal dungger,

Here is what Lincoln really said, moron!

“I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good from the Savior of the world is communicated to us through this book!” Gee moron, he mentions God, Bible, and Jesus in this quote. I guess that just knock off yours and being false and twisted to fit your moronic stance against this country. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

There you go again samurai… First you corrupted George Washington’s life to make it to your liking and now you are doing it to Lincoln.

From Lincoln:
“My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.”
– Abraham Lincoln, to Judge J S Wakefield, after Willie Lincoln’s death (Willie died in 1862), quoted by Joseph Lewis in “Lincoln the Freethinker,” also appearing in Remsburg’s “Six Historic Americans” (Authenticity questioned by some because it allegedly does not appear in Wakefield’s papers [Andrew Lutes, persistent picker of insignificant separationist nits]; authenticity questioned by others who claim that Wakefield did not exist [forgotten web site which also featured all the regular and long-refuted arguments for Lincoln's Christian piety]. Go figure!)

Rob

Rob and coal dungger, you two morons are wrong again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KXpJjTpOCE

Watch it and prepare to face losing once again. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Karolyn, I’m saying the federal government was not delegated any power, in Article I, Section 8, over rights, and the Bill of Rights made it clear that the national government shall make no law concerning rights. The people placed these same restrictions on their state governments. Under the guise of promoting religion, government could favor one religion over another, as did the State of Virginia, which the people didn’t want.

These were just men saying what they believed, as do we all. So? How do you know they weren’t talking through their hats – just saying what they knew people wanted to hear?

Karolyn, the only way to know, is to read the Bible and compare what it says versus what churches say. Christianity is supposed to be based on the Bible, not what some priest or pastor says. For example: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast,” (Eph. 2:8-9). Churches have a business out of that.

Karolyn, Back then, the signers of the Declaration of Independence put their lives on the line. The vast majority of Americans thought they were crazy, they would gather on hills around battle zones, fully expecting the revolutionary army to be slaughtered. There was no reason for the Founders to lie.

True Christianity is the only force that can hold back the one world dictatorship that even the Bible says is coming (where all will be forced to worship the world leader and not even a king will be able to buy or sell without his mark – or microcomputer – IN not on, their right hand or forehead. This may not happen in our day but do we really want it to happen in our children’s or our grandchildren’s? Only the light can dispel the darkness. The religious in Iran are looking forward to their ‘messiah’ who will they believe will usher in a new world order by first killing 100,000,000 million of their peerceived enemies. The opposite of Christian freedom is not do whatever you want, but tyranny in some form. Even William Penn for whom the state of Pennsylvania was named said something similar. I don’t want the tyranny of the right or the left. I like freedom and if we lose all of our Christianity in this nation we will become a has been nation. The United Kingdom was once the greatest nation on earth and now many of their churches have been converted into Mosques and they are nearly bankrupt and having to cut benefits and maybe even abandon the socialized medicine they have had for 60 years. Spain was once a mighty nation and today they are a has-been with something like 19% unemployment and the greatest nation that ever was before the USA was Roman Empire and/or the Egyptian and the story of the Roman demise is so well known that even the current Pope says he fears for civilization and the world as we are failing in the same way they did. What we need in this nation is a spiritual revival like the one that spawned this great nation (and which England did all they could to suppress) which is also left out of most history books. I see nothing on the horizon that can make a difference or save our nation but a return to the Godly principles of the Bible and that starts with each of us. As Tiny Tim said in the A Christmas Carol, “May God bless us one and all!”

Robert, my point exactly. ‘IF’ they were true Christians, they WOULD continue contributing, but…watch what happens. A church in Maine spoke out against what the government was doing and, as far as I know, was the first church to lose its 50l(c)(3) exemption. Their membership fell off dramatically, whether that was because they feared their government or the loss of a tax break isn’t clear.

It destroys traditional values and erodes societies from the inside out. Just look at Greece, Rome, etc. Look how bad Europe is now because of losing their traditional values. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

And THIS is precisely why we need our ORIGINAL 13th Amendment BACK in our Constitution; the one that specifically prohibits any member of the BAR {British Accreditation Registry, even if it’s the ABA} from holding ANY public office, elected OR appointed! In addition to the divided loyalty of the conferred British noble title of Esquire, they are strongly beholden to the banking cartels of Europe which pretty much own our Federal Reserve Bank too. It was “replaced” but never properly ratified, along with the 14th Amendment, since the southern states were still essentially at gunpoint under the Reconstruction in the post- Civil War years when those were put on the books, whereas the original WAS properly ratified by the then existing states.

Technicaly true however holiday has been preverted to mean any celebration whether religious or not.

It is my understanding that the Jewish kid, Jesus, was a loving figure who helped people, and encouraged that from others.

Seems to me that all the hate I see around here just ain’t christian.

Rob

Sorry rob, but you aren’t Christian and know nothing about our faith. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Yes samurai, I just don’t get that hate part.

Rob

No, you just don’t get anything do you? You don’t get God, Jesus, church, etc, nothing. You’re a disgrace rob! Take that from someone who has served for 20 years and you lie about when you served. Was it 1946? Oh wait, then you said Vietnam? Oh wait, none. You said you owned a business for 25 years. Can’t believe the last one due to your low intellect. You told my wife you let your ex wife have an abortion, but that was so you didn’t have any responsibility or have to pay child support. Not much of an American or a man there moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

True, but there are atheists among the Jews (who are a race as well as a religion) just as there are atheists who are of Christian background. Even Jesus said that he would rather a person be for Him or against Him “but being lukewarm, I vomit thee out…” pretty strong words. So better an honest atheist who says “I don’t know” than someone who is so into themselves they don’t care one way or the other. Of course the Bible has some harsh words for those atheists who are trying to convert others. And St. Paul, one of the great early Christians, who was taken up to the third heaven, blinded for a season, and then healed (Would that God could do similar to all non-believer’s but the reason Saul had this happen to him was that he cared). He was one of the most brilliant men of his day, a teacher’s teacher, and a scholar’s scholar, but he was still wrong until Jesus set him straight. I think it’s a fascinating story.

USN says: “When and if the Muslim Faith ever becomes the Majority in this country, rest assured that the Crescent will be displayed in every venue, both religious and secular.”

Just like some extreme far right wing christians want to do today.

I find it amazing that all extremists somehow seem to believe that they are the ones who should set the rules for all of us.

Rob

Couldn’t agree more. My wife and I are Pegan and NeoPegan respectively, meaning we care more for the life force of this planet and it’s creatures than politics of faith, i.e. the “you’re not MY religion so you need to be silenced” mentality of so many on here (“samurai” and “sook” anyone?) who make it their goal to spew so much hate in the name of ‘the creator’ as such, seeing all of these crosses standing in for EVERY FAITH disgusts and saddens me.

Speaking of that ill-mannered freak, since I can’t reply to any of it’s comments: samurai/yook you should KNOW that taking the title of JAPANESE prestige as someone who links with Korean is significantly distasteful. FURTHER you are one single troll. Your mannerisms switching between samurai/yook have given you away… go back to 4chan and let the adults talk. Moron.

Sorry [insult removed], but if my wife wishes to post something she can. Freedom of speech, remember? Anyway, you are a troll on this site. In fact, you kind of sound like a person named Chris. If you are, just keep it up. The more you do, the more evidence I have against you with the federal prosecutors here. If you’re not, just be quiet and get out of my face. People like you are a disgrace to this country, Chris or someone else. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I dont & wont understand any of what spoos out of david mouth yes dave church is new here in america & it defends all the wrongful man & women of the USA & no when the pilgrims came here they certianly didnt belive in god they never had mass or anything close to it right & live & moruls back then were twisted & yes we have made change for the good of man kind stay out & away for christianity RIGHT!! It should be what do you think the fallen solidiers would want & yes dave they most likely while they were dying never prayed & never used the word GOD most of you people whinning about things like putting a cross in a cementry or area which represents war & soldiers you have big problems beliving in a way that is good is BAD? come-on wake the f ck UP & leave well enough alone & pick a battle to fight that makes this place a better place to be & yes I can see thats hard for the narrow minded people who have forgotten so much of what we where hey DAVE go to church you might learn something that would give you some peace HOMEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think that Christians have such a bad rap is because of the rigidity, proselytizing and hypocrasy that people see. Take for instance the preacher whose congregation pickets funerals of soldiers. Also, telling people that they are going to hell if they are not Christian is a bit off-putting. It’s always the bad people in any faction who get the most publicity. Like it or not, that’s where people get their opinions from. I also wanted to add that Allah is God, as are all of the names that have been used to portray God. God is God, no matter what one calls he/she/it.

Karolyn…I’m with your view as to why christians seem to be bad mouthed (I don’t think they are…but let’s say they are for the sae of this post). I don’t have anyone from Islam, Hindu, Tao, etc “in my face’ about “repent or go to hell” stuff. Nor do i see any other religion wear it on their sleeves as some sort of martyrdom. Heck…somehow the wacked Right wing came up with this fiction about a ‘war on XMas”…where did that come from?

Read through these posts…and not one religion is so openly “believe in god or we all go the hell” as exemplified in the majority of these posts.

Just think…they complain about Satanism … yet Satan is a christian creation, so one has to be christian to be a satan worshipper…figure that one out.

Ah well….on to better things…

You’re wrong again, as usual, moron! Every religion has a personification of good and of evil. The Greeks had Hades, the Egyptians had Set, Nosremen had Loki, the Hindus and Khali, etc. so how is Satan a Christian creation? One day Jesus is going to walk up behind you and jap slap you on the back of your head. You may believe that way about Christians, but did you also know that we are the most persecuted religion in the world? Just look at Sudan, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Laos, China, etc. Many of us Christians are dying for our beliefs in God and Jesus and other religions aren’t. I guess that Satan feels that he already has these people’s souls comming to hell, so why take them out early? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

hflashman,

I had a conversation with the High Priestess of Joy of Satan a year ago and they got more morals than the so called Christians,for instance they are against murder,kiddy porn,animal cruelty and for the death penalty if you commit murder or rape.The High Priestess told me the worship of Satan is much older than the belief in Judaism or Christianity. According to them Satan in ancient times was worship as god or goddess of nature,justice, light and truth.He or she was the accuser in the Old Testament,not an evil being.In their religion Satan is portrayed as a beautiful Blonde headed blue eyed angel,not the Pan like goat creature. She said:they are against all forms of evil and people should stay away from so called other Satanic cults,they are evil.

Their political beliefs; most of them are conservatives

Most of them are Republicans

They also share the same political beliefs of most Republicans,they are against liberalism and deficit spending.They said it will ruined the nation.

Hflahman and Karolyn

Check these people out,don’t worry they are harmless.

Coal dungger is on the kool aid again. Your kind (coal dungger, rob, flushman, etc.) are what is hurting this country by taking us farther away from how we were founded. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

from samurai: “Many of us Christians are dying for our beliefs in God and Jesus and other religions aren’t. ”

Really… Been to any witch burnings lately?

Been to any crusades lately?

BTW, when is the last time you talked to an American Indian as a christian (and you weren’t trying to convert them)?

MOST religions prosicute and are prosicuted in return.

Hmmmmm, what was it Jesus said? Was it something like, “Forgive them Father…”

Rob

Like I said, rob you moron, more people have died for our Christian faith than any other religion. Ever been to a Jihad? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Karolyn, there is a big differene between mature Christians and Baby Christians. Even the Bible says that. Many call themselves Christian but it’s just because they are not Jews or Hindu’s. True and mature Christians, regardless of denomination, are people in whom the light and love of Christ is evident. They don’t have to ‘say’ anything. It is evident that there is something different about them. They are people who know the power of prayer. Those people who are protesting the soldiers funerals are gravely mis-informed. They would more accurately be described as a cult. Even you know they are not attracting people to their church or to Jesus. In fact they are doing Him a disservice. There are people who worship God but who don’t know Him, but on this planet God has given us Jesus, as the way out of here. If we understand what God has done and reject it, then we will obviouly not be going to the same place when we die. Many reject Jesus because of some of his followers but if one reads the words he himself said in the gospels, and the then read the following ACTS to see what Christianity is supposed to be like, one gets a much better picture. You might get a better idea too, if you read the one page article here: http://www.near-death.com/ritch.html

Samurai,

Coal dungger is on the kool aid again. Your kind (coal dungger, rob, flushman, etc.) are what is hurting this country by taking us farther away from how we were founded. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! What the nut house?You need help.What mental institution did you say you were from?Give me your phone number. We will send you help right away.HA HA HA HA

Just like a lib coal dungger. You can’t refute the truth so you resort to name calling and personal attacks. What a moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Can’t disagree with much of what you have said here but there was a tremendous Christian revival (not church but evangelical Christian) that was a great part of the inspiration for the American Revolution. It was historian Joseph Tracy who in 1842 wrote of the influence of this great revival that swept the country from about 1725 until 1750 and it played a key role in forming he democratic concepts that took hold. So powerful was Rev. George Whitfield in preaching the freedom that comes from God and not the King or the state, the the British Crown put a price on his head.

Ted 2 quick points before I go to work. The founding fathers decided against a true democracy to prevent an angry majority from “running over” the minority; A representative republic was designed to be slow, to prevent emotionally charged issues from becoming the law of the land. Second point. Our country has become so polarized that over the past several decades the term “majority” has changed from liberal to conservative and back again several times. Each time the minority feels “violated” by the majority.

Good point as well

Tommy, to deviate for a moment from the ‘cross’ issue; what you said about pure democracy overrunning the minority, that is what the Democrats did with Obamacare – tried to rush the health bill through without thinking it over.

As for the War Memorial Cross – the problem I see is that attorneys and judges are trying to say that anything that is displayed on government property, regardless of who placed the memorial, is the same as Congress passing a law in favor of that display. I don’t believe that is the correct interpretation. The Constitution says “Congress shall make no law…” If no law has been passed covering the display of memorial symbols, how can that be interpreted as making a law?

Mac, sorry for the late response. You are 110% right about Obama, who with a large majority in the House & Senate, allowed the Republicans (who won 47% of the votes in the last presidential election) no input whatsoever in this massive bill.
I agree with your second point also. Congress should make no law to prevent a private person from erecting a religious symbol.

And it is sights like this that these things are even said. I have not seen it on PBS, MSNBC, CNBC or CNN in the past 10 years. Only on FOX do I actually see honest debate between the two sides and they are anathema to liberals.
And let me point out again that when Beck had 8-28 (I did not attend) it was peaceful and when they left the area was pristine – NO TRASH. Not true of 10-2-10. The place was a mess and the people were very disrespectful. And yes, I still defend their rights as well.

Where did you hear that the Rally for Sanity was disrespectful and left a lot of trash. I watched online and it seemed to me like a whole lotta people having a really good time.

I saw the video footage of the mall at the tail end of that gathering; and it was FULL of trash and evidence of disrespect to the monuments there. I also saw footage of the mall near the tail end of the Beck rally and it wasn’t like that at all, people had policed the area after themselves before leaving. That leads me to agree with JKO on that score.

Likewise Sandra, it was amazing to see the difference!

What video? Is there a link?

Rob

Actually there is only the difference between religious and non-religious Muslims. The theocratic politico-legal system of Sharia you seem to object to (as well you might) is held in regard by some 10 percent of Muslims world-wide, meaning that there are well over one hundred and ten million plus who hate the individual freedoms that our constitution grants us. Are there good honest Muslims, of course, but in Texas one Muslim father killed his two teenage daughters because they talked to boys in the mall, and another recently ran down his 20 year old daughter with a car because she was becoming to westernized. In New York a Muslim television station owner who produced a program to help bridge the gap between Muslims and others so they could learn more about each other, cut off the head of his wife when she could no longer take the abuse and wanted a divorce.
What you say about legal immigrants is true, they tend to make outstanding Americans, I’ve known quite a few, but illegals far outnumber legals and just because someone takes an oath to defend the constitution doesn’t mean they believe it or mean it. The Koran says it is alright to lie to non-Muslims as they are considered inferior beings. The Major at Ft. Hood took an oath of allegiance years before he killed all his fellow soldiers. He was apparently fine until he got religious and then he went on his murderous rampage. My wife works with several Muslims and she says they are excellent people but they are not religious and even disagree with the idea of building a mosque near ground zero because they understand the meaning of it, that is understood in all the Muslim world as a sign of victory and conquest but not apparently in this country.
I agree with you that “…an American isn’t of any particular racial sub group or religious background; rather it’s a person who has the spirit that’s embodied in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution engraved in his/her heart and mind…” but you are comparing tomatoes and apples when you bring up the 4,000 year old books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy. The primitive societies of that time are a far cry from today but the religious adherents who cut off a girls ears and nose because she tried to run away from her husband’s abuse LAST YEAR were Muslims, not followers of the Bible. She was brought over here and Americans paid for her to be operated on and partly restored. Or how about the governor of a major state in Pakistan who mentioned that the laws against blasphemy needed to be updated and he was shot more than a dozen times the week before last for saying it. His crime was defending a Christian woman who offered some Muslim laborers a drink of water as Jesus suggested but they refused because they considered it unclean, because she was a Christian. She tried to defend her religion so they gang raped her and now she is sentenced to death for blasphemy which the rapists said she was guilty of. I can assure you that if Christianity is driven out of the United States that Sharia will fill the vacuum and I do not think many will think that is an improvement. There is a strong movement to bring Sharia Law into this country and if that succeeds we will have the havoc that the UK is already having as Christianity wanes and Muslims are converting former churches into mosques and Sharia has been allowed to be the law of the land for Muslims over there. Thank God for the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) which has opposed the ACLU all the way to the Supreme Court (and won) and which is also opposing the imposition of Sharia in this country.
In my opinion Mormon’s have contributed far more to this land than Muslims have but we didn’t allow their territory, Utah, to become a state, until they renounced polygamy which they did (except for a few splinter groups). I guess we were ignoring that part about prohibiting religion then. Of course the ACLU would have opposed that too if they had been around then. Last month the leader of the the world’s Billion Catholics, the Pope, said that he fears for the future of the world. I said in my autobiography, LEAVING SOUTH CAROLINA, a few years ago that I feared for the United States. The reasons for both was that we seem to be duplicating the decline of the Roman Empire. I mentioned the moral decline but concentrated on the economic and political whereas he concentrated on the moral decline. Only if we return to God and the principles of the Constitution will we survive in any form that will be desirable. I know many are for a one world money and a one world government but the Constitution for this new world governance that our unions and our president and many in congress want does not have the freedoms that our Constitution has. Hopefully this won’t be for another 30 years or so but I have no idea. I say that all who are believers need to pray for all who are over us and who are making decisions that will affect us for the rest of our lives, whether it’s the rationed health care or the terrible inflation caused by a Treasury that is creating 70,000 MILLION DOLLARS out of thin air EACH MONTH. May God work His will in the lives of all those who are our leaders and our judges and may he relent on the punishment for this nation that seems to be headed our way.

Alright, if no one else will mention it I WILL. For being of someone all godly and high and mighty, posting all of your exacting e-sermons on here, you sure do like to make yourself look the televangelist by SELF PROMOTING YOUR FRIGGIN BOOKS! Yeah, you’re a semi famous author on religious garble… no one cares.

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Boomer,
And while I’m at the keyboard, I would request that you re-read the original news story above. You want to drive from Georgia to California and belligerantly fight those who will take down your cross? Don’t jump to those conclusions, Boomer. I quote from the news story:
“The appeals court did not order that the cross be removed, but instead” sought from the original trial judge what modifications were necessary to include war veterans like me who have fought (and those who have died) who were NOT of the Christian faith.
So please, before you start re-arming yourself to the teeth, get the court decision into perspective, and we can all act accordingly.

Ted,
It’s simple, I respect your service to this Great Country, but your view on the subject is the minority.
This Country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, like it or not.

Actually…the drafters of the Constitution made great efforts to keep any religious dogma or principles out of the basic foudation for rule in this nation. Live with it.

John, there are many on the left who have been brainwashed by the ACLU and others for decades, generations even, and they would have to have enough interest to dig deep into the original documents to be convinced, as they simply cannot conceive that they have been deceived. I’ve always found it amusing (although it really isn’t funny) that the head of the Socialist Party of America said decades ago that he felt he had wasted his life because the Democratic Party had done all that he and the socialists had ever wanted. This still continues today but we will soon be broke and that will end. It is highly probably that taxes will be raised and benefits reduced just so we can survive and that is when the riots will begin. Keep out of NYC or any big city when that happens. When people are very hungry they usually have no interest in political debate.

No it wasn’t john.

Can you show us any quotes from your bible in the Constitution?

It begins: “We the PEOPLE,” not YOUR god or anything even close.

Rob

Do you know the real meaning of “We the People?” Of course not. Give us a site to shopw what you say is true. It sure doesn’t mean everyone living in the nation at the time. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Yeah and just think rob, Hitler wasn’t a Christian, but he was an atheist. I guess that pill will be a little hard for you to swallow. Though I hear you like swallowing. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai, when are you ever going to present us with a real fact?

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views

“Historian Joachim Fest wrote, “Hitler knew, through the constant invocation of the God the Lord (German: Herrgott) or of providence (German: Vorsehung), to make the impression of a godly way of thought.”[8] He used his “ability to simulate, even to potentially critical Church leaders, an image of a leader keen to uphold and protect Christianity,” according to biographer Ian Kershaw. Kershaw adds that Hitler’s ability also succeeded in appeasing possible Church resistance to anti-Christian Nazi Party radicals.[9] For example, on March 23, 1933, he addressed the Reichstag: “The National Government regards the two Christian confessions (i.e. Catholicism and Protestantism) as factors essential to the soul of the German people. … We hold the spiritual forces of Christianity to be indispensable elements in the moral uplift of most of the German people.”

He may not have been a christian (though he remained a catholic until his death) but he sure believed in using them for control, just as you apparently do with your believe or die nonsense.

Rob

NO he wasn’t. That’s one of the favorite lies told by atheists. He may have used the church to get votes for him, just like Obama bin Laden did in 2008. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Only Satan and his followers think of God as brutal because he received justice in being kicked out of Heaven so I presume you are joking. I’m reminded of someone that a friend asked me to talk with over 30 years ago. He wanted to talk about God but when I tried to talk with him he just wanted to argue. He was obviously drunk. I talked with him for a while but it was useless. I was puzzled by his interest in God while obviously drunk. My friend told me that his friend had no use for God while sober, but when drunk that is all he was interested in discussing. I seem to recall that I talked with him twice but he was drunk again and no matter what I said he had an excuse or something that he countered with that was off-the wall or different than what anyone would expect of someone who was trying to learn. Suddenly the Spirit of the Lord, spoke to my inner mind and told me I was arguing with an evil spirit and that it was useless. I was wasting my time. Apparently when this person was drunk he was ‘inhabited’ by an evil spirit. Don’t know why I thought of that just now as it’s been years since I thought of it and over 30 years since it happened.

Thank you for reinstilling some faith in the American people for me. I thought I was the only one left who realized the true meaning of separation of church and state. It has been so skewed for so long, most people don’t really know what it means. The government needs to butt out . . . of all of it, realizing of course that the laws of our country, and many others, came from cannon law, or church law. There’s something for the atheists to put in their pipe and smoke. Or, I suppose they would like it better if we just did without laws against murder, theft, etc. Hmm . . . sounds kind of like “Thou shalt not kill” or “Thou shalt not steal”

There are a few of us left who get that part of the 1at Amendment the way it was meant; as opposed to the way the ACLU reads and interprets it. But it is a relief to run into fellow believers now and again.

Don’t forget Sandra that the ACLU was originally founded with support from the Soviet Communists under Lenin as a way to bring the USA into the fold of International Socialism or Communism. An organization that has successfully fought them even in the Supreme Court (and won) is the ACLJ (the American Center for Law and Justice). Check them out if you want to support a good outfit that is trying to stop Sharia Law from becoming the Law of the Land here and many other good causes. They support freedom mostly and are David compared to the goliath of the ACLU, but they usually win.

JKO claims: “If you know history the main reason that many of the first people to come to America did so was because they did not want to be forced into the King’s religion in England.”

Or they wanted to set up their own totalitarian version. Remember the “Puritans” among others.

Rob

Remember how the Puritans were persecuted in England so they came to America to practice their religion moron? Rob and coal dungger are the biggest morons on this site! If you go into the Capitol Building, you’ll see a painting of the Pilgrims at Plymouth Colony. They are sitting around a person who is reading the Bible. I guess God was with them and helped them come to this country to worship him. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai,

The Puritans stole indians blind and committed genocide on a scale unheard of.Most of the tribes don’t exist today.We got Christianity to thank for it.Like I say you are a joke.

But the Puritans were christian.

Rob

Some of the people on this site are living in the past. It reminds me of one of the Muslims we rescued in the former Yugoslavia who was quite bitter and kept saying “Do you know what they did to us?” and when he went into a description of atrocities was asked “When did this all happen?” The answer given with great remorse as if had been the previou week was, “600 YEARS AGO!” That’s not living in the NOW, which is the only place God can be found. Events lead to other events. If Noah had refused to believe God then none of us would be here today, or if you prefer “If the Puritans had not escaped from Europe and come here, it is highly unlikely that any of us would be here to debate these things. If you are not dealing in the here and now then you are not dealing with reality.

Coal dungger, the only joke here is you. What proof and evidence can you provide the proves atheism is accurate and correct? Wrong again moron! I don’t see their pastors marching people to kill Native Americans after a church service, do you? Remember, some people go to church and say they are Christians, but are only in name and not deed. Learn the difference before you step on yourself again. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. You will apologise for that remark about my wife. Considering your intellect is much lower than hers.

Very true! There were up to 4 different churches there and had up to 2000 members. It was once the largest church in America. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

In many cases it is ignorance. This is the second and in some cases the third generation where Marxists have erased much of our true history, or de-emphasized some facets and over emphasized others. People are often shocked when they decide they want to find out for themselves and dig really deep to see what really went on back then. Lies were being promoted even in the 1850′s so it’s no wonder that many today don’t know the truth about our origins. One historian with two degrees in history was hired by a commentator on Fox News to verify various historical facts and she was shocked saying, “I’ve never heard any of these things”. Up until that time she thought she was a well educated person. I myself was surprised to learn of Nazi summer camps on Long Island and to see an old film of some 20,000 uniformed Nazi’s gathering in Madison Square Gardens in NYC before I was born. We all know what B.S. means and M.S. is often just more of it, and PhD unfortunately often means “Piled Higher and Deeper”. One of my successful brothers walked out of a PhD program after several months. He stood up in class, closed his book put it down on the desk, and said, “This crap has no relevance to anything in the known universe” and then he went out and got a good job and has had them ever since.

Richard says: “People are often shocked when they decide they want to find out for themselves and dig really deep to see what really went on back then…”

Yup, they used to be creationists.

Rob

No actually it was when Darwin refuted everything he had written as a lie and couldn’t be proven true. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai,

This dismay is shared by Darwin. ‘These people claim the world is less than 10,000 years old which is wrong by a great many orders of magnitude. Earth is several billion years old. These individuals are not just silly, they are colossally, staggeringly ignorant. I am sure sense will prevail, however.’It fits you to tee.

Well, Coal Miner, by “these people” I assume you are referring to the millions of Christians in this country and the more than a billion on this planet. Well, I’m a follower of Jesus and my Bible says that to God a thousand years is but the blinking of the eye. That by the way is about .11 hundreds of a second (the time it takes an eye to blink). The Bible also says that God created the world in six days with man being the last. Science agrees with the sequence of man being last, but there have been many debates on how old the earth is with the most common belief that the earth is over 4.5 Billion years old. Funny thing, if you take .11 of a second and divide that into six days and then multiply that times 1,000 years you come up with just over 4.5 Billion years, so it seems to me that the Bible could be saying he earth is just 4.5 Billion years old (for those who can see it that is). The amazing thing is the Bible is filled with things like this but many are simply not interested. It’s their loss.

samurai,

Hey stupid did I say anything about atheism?I am agnostc.

Actually, the judge made the right call. You’re just p***** off that your side lost and has been losing since 2009! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I meant wrong call.

I suspect a shrink would have a field day with you samurai.

Rob

Isn’t that what my wife already told you, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Some have expressed that there is no “wife” but that it gives you twice the shot at being nasty.

Just a though about what others have posted.

For Goddess and Country

Rob

Been married 25 years, so how long have you been with your boyfriend moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Eva, as I have said elsewhere the key to change is prayer. God has given us the power to change not just our own lives, but even the laws of the land. In fact we need to pray that the new members of congress do not get seduced by all that is in Washington, including some of the establishment politicians of both parties. They are not all bad but they are certainly not all good either. Prayer is the key or as the Bibles says, “the fervent prayer of the righteous man (or woman) availith much”. One of the best and shortest books, especially for VETS but really for anyone (it’s only 106 pages long and available in dozens of languages) is an actin thriller of sorts entitled PRISON TO PRAISE by Chaplain Merlin Carothers. It’s an action thriller that is simply amazing and I even knew one of the women mentioned in this 30 year old book. If you haven’t read it treat yourself to a copy available on eBay or in most Christian bookstores. You won’t be sorry. God bless you.

Oh BTW I do put up a Menorah in my classroom and as soon as I can find Kwanza atuff I can affor I will do that as well. If Islam was part of this I would have theirs out too. And NO I am NOT a liberal, I just want my kids to have all sides not just my personal one.

oops, should have been stuff and afford

You need Help & please put your helement back on its for your own good

and…..

And that’s as it should be.

JKO..so you’re saying all soldiers in that cemetary are christian?

NONE!

Samurai…wanna bet?

If there were even as many as five Muslims who fought in WWII I would be surprised but don’t worrry they are one of the fastest growing groups in this nation. Some 45,000 have even sneaked into our nation from Mexico according to current estimates (based on the one to two thousand that have been apprehended). One outfit in Mexico won’t even bother bringing Hispanics across the border anymore because the Muslims pay ten times as much for the service.

Actually some of them did fight and die while helping Hitler’s Vermacht. Like Abdul Nasar and Anwar Sadat, two presidents of the nation of Egypt. Sorry, but we’re not counting enemy combatants. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You talk about World War One and World War Two???? When did America get off its isolationist chicken sh!t ass and get involved in WW1 and WW2. I got news for you WW1 started in 1914… America showed up when? World War Two started in 1939… when did America show up? Have any of you morons seen Lawrence of Arabia? Those were Arabs fighting with the British in WW1… and there were considerably more than five of them. Do you know how many Muslim countries fought with the Allies against Rommel in North Africa?

Sorry, Curtis, I thought we were talking about Muslims who fought for the United States as members of our military. The inadequacy of words!

Pardon me? Because I don’t capitalize god means I’m showing disrespect? LOL ….. should I captalize gods? I’d say those who insist their religious beliefs are the ONLY ones which count for anything are disrespecting everyone not a member of thir cult…and yes, by definition, christianity is a cult.

Has it not occurred to you that among all the fools gold men find that occasionally a gold miner finds real gold, or among all the vegetables in the marketplace some of it is natural and not genetically engineered, or among all the vitamins and supplements sold, some of them may have amazing medicinal or health benefits? Likewise among all the ‘gods’ promoted and beliefs expounded on that there is at least one god who is GOD? I can understand a person saying they don’t know the truth, but to say that there is no truth, or that all so-called ‘truths’ are the equal, is as Spock would say, illogical! Even our keenest minds are searching for a what has been called “A Theory of Everything!” Those who have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ don’t know everything but they know what they need to know, and they will have forever to learn more.

Richard said: but they know what they need to know, and they will have forever to learn more.” As will we all, because we are all energy, and energy never dies. The spirit, whether labeled Christian or not, lives forever; and I believe can choose to come back into the physical plane should it desire.

Well, Karolyn, we can believe many things but we can’t always prove them. While I can’t prove to you that Jesus is the unique only begotten son of God, the only one who came down from the highest or ‘third’ Heaven as St. Paul describes it in the Bible, and took the penalty for what you might call ‘karma’ but which Christians call sin, but if you were sincerely interested I could, perhaps, lead you to how you could prove it to yourself. Many have come to know Jesus personally. When you know something you no longer have to believe it, but faith is a gift from God and not everyone has it. If one is limited to just logic then the journey is more difficult. You or someone said, we are all sons and daughters of God, but it’s more like potential sons and daughters, until we are adopted into the family of God (which is what Christianity is truly all about). The spirit of man is eternal but there is a great difference between eternal life and eternal death, or even just eternal existence. Even the Bible talks about trade in human beings, and souls, around the end of days.
Additionally there are many spirits that are not God and their greatest pleasure is to destroy humans, often by misleading them and pretending they are God. This is the source of all cults whether they be large groups of people or a handful. Jim Jones comes to mind. Additionally the Bible even warns of driving evil spirits out of a man but if he is not filled with the spirit of God, other far worse can come in, so being a lukewarm or mediocre Christian is not something you ever want to be. Better to continue as you are rather than become a lukewarm Christian who doesn’t appreciate the great price that Jesus paid to give us a clean slate, and on top of that Jesus even said of those who misused their new found awareness for personal gain were in grave danger and for them “it would be better if they had never been born but had a millstone put around their neck and were cast into the sea.” While there may be options that most don’t know about you are only increasing them by learning about what a Christian really is and not being turned off by some who call themselves Christians. I could tell you things you would not believe that Jesus has done for people right here in the USA and in the 20th Century but they would just be unbelievable words. However should you ever decide you really want to know the truth God will not hide it from you. Just be aware that any spirit that cannot say “Jesus is Lord” is from the dark side, no matter what else they might tell you.

Very well put!

Thank you Teresa! I just calculated that during Nancy Pelosi’s four year reign as Speaker of the House she probably spent more money than any woman in history: 14 TIMES THE VALUE OF ALL THE GOLD IN THE US TREASURY, if gold is $1400 an ounce. Of course she didn’t do it alone but future historians (if we still have those) may point to her reign as the straw that broke the camel’s back. Since we have at least twice as much gold as any other nation we will likely take the entire world economy down with us when and if all our incessant borrowing and spending cause our economy to collapse. Of course, I truly hope I am wrong along with all the others who have studied what has been going on for years. May God help us!

Richard I can say only one thing and that’s
HOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

ValDM…such is the interpretation your particular christian sect states. There are several variations to that theme just in christianity alone, much less every other religion … and the Bible is contradictory on that as well.

I suggest you quit trying to foist your sect’s view as being the correct view.

Did you ever think, not possible for a lib, that these other religions may have copied after our faith and our God’s ways of doing things? Islam took things from the pagans, Jews, and Christianity. Can they be doing the same? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai,

Christianity did too.All religions and myths borrow from each other.The Romans borrow from the Greeks,The Greeks from Egyptians, The Egyptians from the Babylonians,the Babylonians from Mespotamians and I could go on and on.Christianity is an inaccurate copy of all ancient religions.The ones who wrote the New Testament must have been drunk,it contradicts The Old Testament as well as itself,for instance,the Gospels.

I understand what you are saying coal dungger, but the Christian God IS THE ONE TRUE GOD. Jesus is is son and our Saviour. You can believe differently, that’s your right of course, but I know what I say is true. This is a Christian nation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-DzDCe5u3Y

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

If you do your homework, samurai, you will find that many tales in the Bible are taken directly from previous civilizations goiong back to 3000 bc. So who’s copying who?

Correct translation: Jesus is not THE son of God but is A son of God, as are we all – all parts of a whole.

I challenge you to cite your sources, if you have any Karolyn. Remember, this nation is a Christian nation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai claims: “these other religions may have copied after our faith and our God’s ways of doing things?”

Jews didn’t. In fact your religion is based upon worshiping the Jewish kid.

Pagans came way before christians. In fact christians stole the holidays from them, particularly christmas.

Why do you make such things up samurai?

Rob

Samurai says: “Remember, this nation is a Christian nation.”

Quit lying about that. In fact you haven’t shown us anything in the Constitution of the United States that comes from your religion.

Why do you make so much stuff up?

Goddess & Mars bless America.

Rob

Rob, there may not be anything in the Constitution, but if you read it and study our founding fathers then you’ll know I’m right. Quit making things up for you atheist, lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxist friends. Believe me rob, moron, your kind are a disgrace to this country and should go somewhere else. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Rob and coal dungger, here is an easy question for you morons. “What proof and evidence can you provide the proves atheism is accurate and correct?” NO YOUTUBE VIDEOS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtNEeflbhHg
wwwshockawenow.com

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Why does this bother you so? The whole world is NEVER going to agree with you on everything, and you are never going to agree with the whole world. I’d say the same is true will all of us. It is only as we draw closer to God through the sacrifice of His Son, that we draw closer to each other. I know cases I wouldn’t even tell you because you simply could not believe them, but there are former Muslims and former Jews who are now both friends and worship together because their unity in Christ has made them brothers when once they were trying to kill each other. I’d rather be ignorant or unschooled but on the right road that brilliant and educated and on the road to perdition. “Seek and ye shall find” but argue and you waste a lot of time. Of course if you are really seeking and not just trying to prove that hundreds of millions are wrong then all this arguing could be a necessary step in your growth. Even thought you don’t know Him or apparently know that He is, God still loves you too. I hope you discover this someday. It will make a big difference in your life.

ValDM says: “God created marriage…”

Not so if you ask an atheist.

BTW, when the government is involved atheists can marry, and in some states so can gays NO MATTER WHAT YOUR GOD of HIS FOLLOWERS say.

Keep your religion out of my life.

Rob

Remember rob, moron, the first marriage was Adam and Eve. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

From Samurai: “the first marriage was Adam and Eve.”

Naw, Adam traded a rib to god for his company and servant. Is there anyplace in the christian bible where your god said they were man and wife?

Isis, Isis, Isis, Rah, Rah, Rah!

Rob

Adam didn’t trade anything. God took his rib and made Eve. That’s why a woman a 1 more rib then a man has. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai,

No, that is not true. The only way this would be true is if there was an abnormality in a woman that would cause her to have less ribs. Both men and women have 24 ribs, 12 on each side. People have been known to have as many as 24-26 of them, but these actually can cause pain. You just stuck your foot in your mouth again.Contact the doctor on this website,he will verify what I am saying.Ask Dr. Mark Wiley,better yet ask that nutty wife of yours.You and her are jokes.HA HA HA HA

And our entire life is but a parenthesis in a sentence, in a paragraph on a page of the book of our life. Birth opens the parenthesis, death closes it, then back to real-life history. So said Jesus to a woman in England some 80 years ago (GOD CALLING, edited by A.J. Russell, along with over 350 other short teachings that have helped many who were seeking). He went on to tell her that she should remember that when she was going through times of struggle or sorrow or defeat and failure, or even times of joy and success…that is was all just a parenthesis. Of course this is not to imply that our life is not important, just that it is not what we often think it is.

OK OK I agree with you. But it was the church that recognized it way before government got involved. And I do agree that the church has screwed this and quite a few other things – and I have been going for 54 years (even before I was born).

They can redefine words, revise history and support every form of indecency and tyranny. Defunding comes to mind here. We are a Judeo – Christian nation and the principles of freedom that we are losing are Christian principles. The Flashtroll is history impaired. The wicked take advantage of the tolerance and charity ingrained in our national beliefs. Were you aware that ‘Common Law Marriage’ is still legally recognized by the courts? Have you ever looked into what is meant by the term ‘Common Law’? It is specifically protected in the Constitution and is the substance of the Declaration of Independence. It is derived from the Jurist point of view of common sense and natural principles. It was guaranteed by our founders as a supplement to the legislative procedures and was particularly American as it was to be consistent with the Constitution and founding principles. Bring it BACK.

Les says: “We are a Judeo – Christian nation and the principles of freedom that we are losing are Christian principles.”

Tell us Les, where is your god mentioned in our Constitution?

In fact the only time religion is mentioned it is a prohibition.

BTW, what about the freedoms of other religions? Those who believe it’s OK for same sex couples to marry, those who believe it’s OK to end suffering by one’s own choice? They just don’t seem to get the same “freedom” you want to take away from them.

Rob

We are free to do whatever we choose but that doesn’t mean that all we choose is best. God is always there and if you ever need Him He will not turn away if you are sincere, but it is difficult (although not impossible) for someone who has opposed Him for decades to accept the LIFE He gives. There are some 200,000 former gays and lesbians in this country and it was not psychiatry that turned them into straights but an encounter with the living God. Some of their stories are amazing and a better writer than I could make a best seller out of them.

“But it was the church that recognized it way before government got involved.”

Not really. “marriage” was for treaties and wealth management. The pomp and religious rules were for the church to make money.

Indulgencies anyone?

I used mine to make sure I’d get into heaven. Unfortunately I couldn’t afford health care so I guess I’ll get there faster.

Rob

Bzzzzz wrong answer, moron! Marriage was already instituted in the church before the government got involved. Now, there is a lot of government involvement. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

LOL…so all other unions before christianity came about to copy and plagerize off past beliefs system are not to be counted as anything other than ….what? A method for an easy lay? jeesh …

Marriage is a decision by two to become one. The State came into the issue when it saw the need to catalogue such for reasons reating to children, property ownership, inheritance, and taxation.

Which makes the issue of gay marriage laughable. Gays can be married anytime, anywhere. What the fight is about is they want…they demad…the state recognize such for reasons relating to the above four reasons for state licensing. Me? Heck…if two folks want to get married and get hit with the extra taxation, and feed the courts via divorce etc…who am I to say they can’t? It’s not a religious issue. It’s a property and tax issue.

From HFlashman: “What the fight is about is they want…they demad…the state recognize such for reasons relating to the above four reasons for state licensing.”

What’s wrong with equality under law?

Here in America equality is what it’s all about.

To do it otherwise is un-American.

Rob

From HFlashman: “What the fight is about is they want…they demad…the state recognize such for reasons relating to the above four reasons for state licensing.”

What’s wrong with equality under law?

To do it otherwise is un-American.

Rob

First, why do you have to repeat yourself, moron? Second, when our founders said “all men are created equal”, they ment we are all created equal in the eyes of God. This is a Christian nation. If the people that died and are buried there are Christians, then what’s wrong with having a cross there?

“We believe that all men are created equal, because they are created in the image of God!” Harry S. Truman.

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai says:
January 8, 2011 at 9:25 pm

Do you think Jesus and God approve of you calling so many here, Morons. I don;t think there is even one case of Jesus doing that while he was on earth.

So smilee, just like normal. You pick one thing from someone’s post, instead of answering about everything written. Classic lib strategy! Too bad it won’t work this time. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Whereas it is not otherwise illegal to be married under common or natural law; and,
Whereas the only other reason it would be unlawful for two consenting adults to be married is if they were incompetent;

Therefore, if a couple goes to “the state” and asks the state for a license, where there is no other reason for them to need a license other than incompetence, in law, those requesting a license must be incompetent because that is the only reason they could need a license.

Now, one must ask, “When a bride and groom are incompetent to be married without a state license and that state grants that license, Who is responsible for the marriage?”

Answer: The state.

Who is responsible for anything created in such a licensed marriage?

Answer: The state.

And, what, typically, is the only thing created in such a marriage?

Answer: Children.

So I ask you, “Who do the children created in a state licensed marriage belong to?”

Answer: They belong to the state.

If you don’t believe it, the check out the evidence:

Evidence #1 – The state social services stand their authority on a doctrine called “Parens Patria” which is Latin for “parent of the country”. In modern usage parens patria is understood to mean, “the state is the parent”.

Posted: “And, what, typically, is the only thing created in such a marriage?”

You say children. If so then why would any woman want to marry after menaupause?

Why would a wounded soldger want to marry?

Children will happen anyhow. Almost 40% are out of wedlock now.

BTW, that’s how it worked for the poor until the church came along. They simply set up housekeeping.

Rob

Rob, you really need to learn to spell and tell the truth about things. Out of wedlock births do happen, but they aren’t suppossed to happen. A woman should get married first. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

No, fleshman – that’s not why gags want ssm.
They want it because it makes them seem…?…normal
On the otherhand, doing things the Devil’s way makes him feel more on par with God – which is what he wanted since his megalomania (almost as bad as Obumbler’s) persuaded him to want God’s worship. The gerbil packers have always been part of religions…that God refuses to attend.

A church that recognizes gay marriage isn’t a real Christian church. They are Christian in name only and not in deed. Learn to see which one they are before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai…such is your view. If you want that respected…then sow respect for others who hold dissimilar views. Yours is based upon your religion and cult beliefs. Let others have the same right.

Everyone (in this country anyway) is free to believe whatever they choose to believe (so far) but that is not to pre-suppose that all beliefs are true or equal or that there is no ultimate truth! Some believe they ARE God, the most common mental disease according to one major South American psychiatrist, but that doesn’t mean that they are God. There are laws of the Universe that apply whether one believes in them or not, Gravity, the Law of Reciprocity, and E equals Mc squared. Jump off a cliff on this planet and you will fall, “as you sow, you will ultimately reap”. Because of what has happened to you in life you may refuse to acknowledge that God loves you but He still loves you. You have the power to reject him and end up in that place where people are forever trying to force their beliefs upon others that Dr. George Ritchie saw long ago: http://www.near-death.com/ritch.html

samurai claims: “A church that recognizes gay marriage isn’t a real Christian church. They are Christian in name only and not in deed. Learn to see which one they are before you post.”

Just how do we do that samurai?

Should we believe you?

Should we believe Jerry Falwell, Jim Bakker, or any of those who got caught up in homexual scandals even though they preached otherwise?

How’s bout if we listen to Bishop Spong?

And what about religions that have nothing to do with your version of christanity? Why do you attempt to outlaw their beliefs? That ain’t American.

Rob

Robert Smith,

You can’t talk to that nut.Samurai is a moron.Samurai keeping saying that Jefferson wasn’t a deist,but here is the proof he was.

http://www.deism.com/deistamerica.htm

Frankly I think the only accurate answer would be to ask Mr. Jefferson himself.

Coal Miner and Rob are two complete morons. they are only here to try to keep us from knowing the truth, that this is s Christian nation. No Coal Dungger, I will not watch that atheist video, but watch this one from the historian that gives daily tours of the Capitol Building.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-DzDCe5u3Y

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. Rob asks how can I say the church doesn’t accept gay marriage? Just look in the Bible. If it’s wrong in the Bible, then it’s wrong in the church. If it’s acceptable, then why is it against the law to perform such ceremonies according to Indiana law?

SAMURAI,

The English word “church” began to come into use in the Middle Ages, some time before the 12th century. The Wycliffe translation (1395) used the word “church” (chirche), but for instance Tyndale (1525) did not. Tyndale properly translated ekklêsia as “congregacion” (sic). And, as was mentioned, he used the word “church” (chirche) only twice, in Acts 14:13 and 19:37 which both refer to buildings connected to idol-worship.

Samurai,

Hey stupid that website is not a atheist video,it is what Ben Franklin and Tom Jefferson quoted.

Coal dungger and rob are the biggest morons on this site. Did you even look at the site I posted? How can’t you get any truer than the historian that gives daily guides and has to know everything about the Capitol Building? Here’s the site again, morons.
http://www.youtube.con/watch?v=w-DzDCe5u3y
How can Jefferson be a deist when he attended church in the Capitol Building every Sunday and even had the Marine Corps band play the music for the services every Sunday, morons?
“I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.” Thomas Jefferson.
“I have always said, and will always say, that studious perusal of the sacred wolume will make us better citizens.” Thomas Jefferson.
The sacred volume is the Bible, of course.
There’s another bit or evidence that rules out Jefferson as a deist. Oh, let me give you the sites.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTeb-tkas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haQgfb5Q0Mc
Why would Jefferson sign the Enabling Acts of 1802 if he was a deist? The Enabling Acts made it possible for states to be admitted to the union from the Northwest Territory. Ohio was the first. But the acts said the states had to go by all precepts of the Northwest Ordinance of 1789. One of the precepts was:
“Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall be forever encouraged.” George Washington. This would mean prayers in school, Bible studies (though they may be voluntary), and Bible classes. Why did the libs cut ethics classes from our schools? That’s also a provision. I challenge you to answer my questions and not with some left wing, atheist video. At least I’ve given you one of the top historians in the U.S. as a source. The gauntlet lies at your feet morons. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

sook brings up George Washington again.

From: http://www.virginiaplaces.org/religion/religiongw.html
“Washington gives us little in his writings to indicate his personal religious beliefs. As noted by Franklin Steiner in “The Religious Beliefs Of Our Presidents” (1936), Washington commented on sermons only twice. In his writings, he never referred to “Jesus Christ.” He attended church rarely, and did not take communion – though Martha did, requiring the family carriage to return back to the church to get her later.”

“When trying to arrange for workmen in 1784 at Mount Vernon, Washington made clear that he would accept “Mohometans, Jews or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists.” Washington wrote Lafayette in 1787, “Being no bigot myself, I am disposed to indulge the professors of Christianity in the church that road to heaven which to them shall seem the most direct, plainest, easiest and least liable to exception.”

Washington was a STAUNCH supporter of public education.

If he were in America in that same spirit I’m sure he would support universal health care.

Rob

According to the Bible the ‘church’ is not a denomination but all the people of God who have accepted His great gift of salvation through His sons’ sacrifice. There have been visions of ministers who have said that after the dollar dies and the economy collapses that ‘the church’ will be as it was in the first century. It (we, the people) will meet in homes, not in big fancy buildings. Gasoline will be unaffordable and people will not be able to travel far in any event so that will be logical. How far down the road that is I do not know but there are many who believe those now living will see this.

samurai says: “A church that recognizes gay marriage isn’t a real Christian church.”

I submit that any “church” that offers such violence and hatred as the one you apparently belong to isn’t the christian one.

Jesus was apparently a loving god, although his daddy sure made a mess of things with the floods and destroying cities. Maybe all christanity is bad and should be stomped out as you advocate for the muslums. Ah! Why not follow YOUR advice and go to the front lines and go kill some muslums. After all they are still POed about those crusades.

Then the rest of us can live in peace. You are welcome to join us. In face PLEASE join the rest of humanity in peace. Why keep the hate going? You work so hard at it. How can that be christanity?

BTW, the suggestion of violence was simply a reflection of the right’s own advocacy and can be considered sarchaism. But then ain’t the great christian mottow, “Do onto others…” Seems like they’ve forgotten a bunch of it.

Rob

The floods and destroyed cities as you say, were justice. God is all loving but he is also all just. He will only tolerate evil, sin, injustice, so long. He created us and all that is. He gave us rules to live by and all ancient religions have rules similar to the ten commandments. Do you have any idea how big our Universe is? Just our little galaxy is 30,000 parsecs across, and the nearest life equal to ours is a thousand light years away. Just a few days or a few months travel in Star Trek or Star Wars but that small distance just a hundredth of the way across just our own galaxy would take well over half a million years to travel if you had a space ship that could travel over a million miles an hour, and our galaxy is just one of billions that stretch for 14 gigaparsecs out there, distances that cannot even be conceived except by those much smarter than you and I. The point is that God has put it into each man’s inner being that He exists. You may not know Him or know that He is knowable or even know His name or how you can know Him but to say He doesn’t exist is just rebellion or ignorance. “The fool says in his heart, ‘there is no God’” it says in the same Bible that it says to call no man a fool. It also says that even the Prince of Darkness, Satan, leader of millions and maybe billions of demons “believes in God, and trembles.” You are of course free to follow whatever false gods you choose or no god but you hurt only yourself, and if you convince any weak minds (as Lucifer did among the non-physical beings) then your suffering will ultimately be far greater when you eventually come to the realization of what you could have had and rejected. The description of hell that Dr. George Ritchie saw in 1943 is just a tiny part of it but it will suffice to show that it is a place of torment that no rational person would want to be, and no one goes there accept by their own choice. Check it out if you dare:
http://www.near-death.com/ritch.html and there are quite a few others that God has provided for skeptical men of this generation to learn of. He’s even revealed the future destruction of Los Angeles and NYC through different people and different sources so you will have more cities to complain about being destroyed but until you come down off your high horse and realize that there is value in all men and every one has something to offer, then you are just fighting the wind with your comments here. Sad, really sad!

The very predictable and CONTEMPTIBLE Ninth Circuit Court is typically constipated to its earlobes.

I agree with you on that remark. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

The Cross has always been the American way, period.
It has always been our symbol on graves in some way.
If at any time someone, or 3 people or whatever, wants
to change something (like this cross)that we use in
cemeteries…then it should be put before the people
for a vote ! America is not a one man show. It is
all of us combined with our right to vote. A handful
of people do not speak for the rest of us on this issue.

MB says: “A handful of people do not speak for the rest of us on this issue.”

I’ll bet you are talking about judges.

In FACT, they DO. The Founding Fathers set it up that way. You can’t take a cafiteria approach to the Constitution like you do religion.

Rob

Actually they don’t Robert. That is why any decision made by the court can be appealed. Plus, we Americans have the right to petition something like this and use our elected officials to speak for us. Judges aren’t necessarily needed. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

OK, Robber…t -
Think you’ve got a case…eh? Well, let’s see here if you can take your opinion viral and apply it to the whole country. Most, or at least a huge percentage, of the cemeteries in the country are on public land – cities, municipalities, counties, national cemeteries for our war dead, etc. So, you and your friends should, if you really have the courage of your convictions, demand that all the crosses, six point stars and every other religious symbol or mention be chiseled from every grave site, stone, mausoleum and plaque remembrance you can find.
Maybe it’ll give you a small appreciation for who did what for our nation and what those stands cost. What’d you ever do to build anything meaningful? You defile the ground you’re piled on.

100% agree with you Mike in MI! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Mike In MI says:
January 9, 2011 at 8:14 pm

Except for National Military Cemeteries very few cemeteries are public lands, most grave sites are owned by the individual and a large number of them are managed by church congregations and therefore religious symbols cannot be removed by the courts

They would scream bloody murder. Nothing wrong with the cross as a Christian symbol and many tombstones have the cross on them and in National Cemeteries. It must be the size or the exclusiveness of this cross on public property that is the issue. All Veterans of all faiths should be recognized and bigger is not always better. No faith should try and out arrogant another Faith at least not on public property.

hflashman, just who the hell do you think you are? Nobody said the Cross represented everyone in cemetery. It just represents the Christians. If you want to represent another religion, then put up their religious symbol, but leave the Christians alone or I might just come after your a**!?

Louie:

As you seem to exemplify, christianity is such a peaceloving cult. Who do i think I am? I’m someone who sees that religion is something that most people seem to think is exclusionary of all others and that ‘their’ religion is the true religion. Thus, the State and the public at large have a duty and responsibility to ensure no religion breaches that wall that in the eyes of the state and the public…all religions are counted (or discounted) equally.

I’m also someone who looks at what the article actually states if you strip the hyperbole and rhetoric out…and realizes that this is nothing but a scheme by the author to blow way out of proportion something that is …in all reality … nothing.

And you fell for it. The question isn’t who do I think I am…rather, the question which should concern you is “who does everyone think you are?” since you displayed such stupidity in falling for the trick…

We may not agree on a few things, but when you say; “Thus, the State and the public at large have a duty and responsibility to ensure no religion breaches that wall that in the eyes of the state and the public…all religions are counted (or discounted) equally.”

I agree with you 100%, and its not because I dont believe in the Bible, or God. But Because I believe that NO GOVT should respect one religion any more then the other for any reasons, war, tax breaks, or health care.

hflashman,

I agree with you.

Our religion is the true faith. Our God is the only God and Jesus is our Lord and Saviour. All other religions, though I respect someone who has a different belief than I do (My family in Korea are Buddhists and ahteists.), but the ones they worship (buddha, hindi, shinto, allah, tao, confucious, etc) are all false gods and will get them nothing but an eternity in hell. What is your religion flashman? Do you have one? Can you answer my questions? Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

What is your religion flashman? Do you have one? Can you answer my questions? <— Sook

If someone were to place my belief system in some catagory, probably closest to being identified as a Ptolemist. My own characterization is that I have no "religion', since group identification which is the common identifier in cult worship is not something I cotton to. What someone's "religion" is and what cult they need to fulfill a weakness within themselves is not my concern until it starts impeding on my freedom of action.

Yes

Yes

Sook Young: Those who claim to be atheists are those who believe they are self made men, better than mere mortals, needing no one. They often feel in their heart of hearts, that they are God or should be. Lucifer was the greatest being that God ever created but, as one of my former auto mechanics used to say, “even with an I.Q. of 20,000 it wasn’t enough”. In other words he couldn’t stand the thought that he was a created being and so he kept blowing himself up in his own mind until he felt he could do better than God, in fact that He was God. In my autobiography, I quoted a well known South American psychologist who said that the delusion that we can be God is the most common form of mental disease on the planet. Atheism is virtually a cult unto itself. It does little good to argue with such people. In the super best seller from years ago, the classic Christian paperback, GOD CALLING edited by A. J. Russell, Jesus tells a woman in England that there are some cases where words will not work. Just loving such people will have eternal benefit for them. They obviously need it and even if no words are spoken love will have value for them. Prayer too, and don’t tell them that you are praying for them. Some of the people who don’t know God or even know that God is knowable, are sincere and dedicated, individuals, but blinded. Who knows what it will take to open their minds and spirits. It then comes down to their hearts, do they care, not like Stalin who said that “one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is just a statistic” but do they really care for their fellow man. Almost nothing is by accident and if a person claims to be an atheist, they might still be on the right track, if they love their fellow man, not as the Marxists do, who believe they should lord it over them, but as Jesus did. Of course none of us measure up to him, but remember Jesus said, GOD IS LOVE. There is no love in hell, and there is apparently more than one hell, but if LOVE is present, then God is present, even if words are unspoken. Of course what the world calls love, is often something else. When you see someone here who is angry (anger is usually a hidden fear) the best thing you can do for them is pray for them. Many have no one to pray for them, no friend, no relative, no one. To many Christians think it’s all about the spoken word, but the whole purpose of the Bible is to lead us to God and to eventually become like Him. God loves us all, even those who just can’t yet believe that life has purpose or meaning or that anyone can love them. Those are the people we should pray for. Did you ever check that web site about the after death experience that Dr. George Ritchie had as a young man? http://www.near-death.com/ritch.html Like the Bible Code, not all find it helpful but I have found both to be beneficial to my understanding and an example of how much God loves us. There are of course those who like Satan who was once Lucifer who hates God and are beyond prayer but none of us has the right to make that judgement of another human being. God hates no one. He only hates that which will destroy what He loves: us! Look at how prayer brought many new people into the House this past November. If we who believe continue to pray we can replace those in the Senate too, who insist that government is god and should be as big as possible. It’s true as someone wrote here that we can’t go back to the pioneer days but we don’t have to devolve into the one world dictatorship that the Bible seems to imply is coming. Only prayer and wisdom from God can slow this down. The atheists are not going to pray so it’s up to us.
May God bless you and all who read this.

Sook – And I say again, this is why Christians may be perceived as being “persecuted.” It’s because they are always telling everyone that if you don’t believe MY way, you are doomed. It’s the arrogance and self-righteousness that’s the problem.

Richard – Do you really believe that praying brought people “to the house”, in November, as in people were converted because they voted republican??? How does being conservative or republican relate to being Christian. Somehow too many people have this mixed up idea that liberals are all evil atheists. What’s up with that? One can believe in God and not be a Christian, as with myself.

There is a “myth of separation” which the Left has adhered to, ever since the most despicable Chief Justice in our nation’s history destroyed our nation’s public schools. The nation’s Founding Fathers meant only that there shall no test of religion to hold public office; that’s all. HFlashman, who appears to be on the wrong side of most other issues as well, doesn’t get it, any more than the Left gets it. The hard fact is that this nation would have been inconceivable without its Biblical foundations; these precepts go back to the Magna Carta, and the Declaration of Independence, as well as the Constitution. “Separation of church and state” is NOWHERE in the Constitution, regardless of what the subversive, toxic idiot Earl Warren believed. What the Left and its fellow travelers want, is freedom FROM religion, and they’ve made that clear enough by getting in everyone’s face through billboards attacking Christmas as a “myth,” and decrying the Pledge of Allegiance. If they don’t like it, they can leave the country, or go to some Islamic Hell-hole to “explore” whether they will like that better. But they are also guilty of a double standard: the Left has also made it clear that it harbors a particular enmity toward Christianity.

That may be true Karolyn, but then why did Christians go into a Catholic church in Egypt for a Christmas service and terrorists came in and killed between 50 – 80 people? The Christians did nothing to deserve that. How about the ones in Iraq that are being killed be people that are supported by Al Queda just because of our faith? How about December last year when muslim terrorists bombed a church in the Philippines for the glory of their false God allah? How about when this kid from Somalia planned to blow up people at a Christmas tree lighting in Portland Oregon? Many of which, not all of them of course, were Christian. Gee, it really sounds like we are being persecuted for our faith and not because of the “fire and brimstone” speeches either. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

Karolyn: I’m not sure I understand your question. Yes, I do believe that some of the people who were elected to Congress in November would not be there if I and others had not prayed more than we have in years, that God would work His will on the whole affair. Only He knows what is truly best in all things and that is the safest way to pray if we want what is best. No one was converted that I know of and of course, being conservative or Republican doesn’t relate (or correspond) to being Christian at all. I agree that being a liberal doesn’t make one evil and it’s foolishness to think so. From what I have heard the congresswoman from Arizona, Gabrielle Giffords, is one of the good people, maybe one of the best, and I have been praying for her healing since I heard she was shot (even though she is from the other side of the aisle. I’m sure Sarah Palin has been praying for her too). From what I have heard Gabrielle seems to be an outstanding person. And of course you can believe in God without being a Christian, but unless you are Jewish, you can’t know Him as many Christians do. All the promises God made to the Jews in the Bible are still valid for them and Christians. God doesn’t change, but He promised us a Messiah, some three thousand years ago, and we believe that He fulfilled His promise in Jesus. Gotta run. My wife is coming home from work and I promised I’d have a late lunch ready for her. God loves you – never doubt it!

From sook: “Our religion is the true faith.”

That’s what they all say, except for a few who don’t bother others.

Do you really not understand why your attitude is hated by some?

Makes me wonder who the real morons are.

Rob

You seem to be leading to be chosen for that title Robert. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

HFlashman,

Quote by John Adams:

“We think ourselves possessed, or, at least, we boast that we are so, of liberty of conscience on all subjects, and of the right of free inquiry and private judgment in all cases, and yet how far are we from these exalted privileges in fact! There exists, I believe, throughout the whole Christian world, a law which makes it blasphemy to deny or doubt the divine inspiration of all the books of the Old and New Testaments, from Genesis to Revelations. In most countries of Europe it is punished by fire at the stake, or the rack, or the wheel. In England itself it is punished by boring through the tongue with a red-hot poker. In America it is not better; even in our own Massachusetts, which I believe, upon the whole, is as temperate and moderate in religious zeal as most of the States, a law was made in the latter end of the last century, repealing the cruel punishments of the former laws, but substituting fine and imprisonment upon all those blasphemers upon any book of the Old Testament or New. Now, what free inquiry, when a writer must surely encounter the risk of fine or imprisonment for adducing any argument for investigating into the divine authority of those books? Who would run the risk of translating Dupuis? But I cannot enlarge upon this subject, though I have it much at heart. I think such laws a great embarrassment, great obstructions to the improvement of the human mind. Books that cannot bear examination, certainly ought not to be established as divine inspiration by penal laws. It is true, few persons appear desirous to put such laws in execution, and it is also true that some few persons are hardy enough to venture to depart from them. But as long as they continue in force as laws, the human mind must make an awkward and clumsy progress in its investigations. I wish they were repealed. The substance and essence of Christianity, as I understand it, is eternal and unchangeable, and will bear examination forever, but it has been mixed with extraneous ingredients, which I think will not bear examination, and they ought to be separated. Adieu.”

Coal Miner, that was really good of you to post something like that from John Adams, but I also have a few for you.

“It is religion and morality alone, which we can establish the principles upon which freedom can surely stand.”

“We recognize no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus!”

“The Christian religion is the religion of Wisdom, Virtue, Equity, and Humanity.”

“July 4th ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”

You said to me he was a certain denomination, but since he seems to always give credit to God, Jesus, and Christianity, I must say that you have been proven false in your claim. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

Thomas G Kroger says:
January 8, 2011 at 6:03 pm

The Supreme Courts job is to interpret the Constitution and they interpreted that there is a separation of church and state in the first amendment and I agree it means that despite the fact the words that you want are not there. The court decided that and then that makes it the real meaning of the Constitution, their word counts yours does not, your word is merely your opinion and your entitled to that but your opinion means nothing with regard to what they interpreted it to mean and is totally a misinterpretation on your part.

sook young says:
January 11, 2011 at 1:49 am

YOU SAY:

“We recognize no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus!”

“The Christian religion is the religion of Wisdom, Virtue, Equity, and Humanity.”

WE as you state it is Christians only and you say you are a Christin but the Constitution covers every citizen that is not a Christian and they have the same rights under it as you and Christians do. You do not respect that their beliefs have the same Constitutional protections as you and Christians do. PS. I am a Christian to and I disagree with you that the Superiority of Christianity is a part of the Constitution, in fact it is not but many Christians believe that, I see it as an arrogant attitude and I do not believe arrogance is a part of Christianity.

Smilee, long time – no see! So you want to attack my wife for no reason eh? If you are a Christian, as you have posted you are, then you must know that we are the true faith. Our God is the one true God and Jesus is his Son. We must go by the Bible and all the teachings of Jesus, all of them that is. We must also know why Jesus came to the earth. If you don’t agree with any of these things, then you are weak in the faith. This nation was founded on Christian principles and we are a Christian nation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai says:
January 12, 2011 at 12:23 am

Smilee, long time – no see! So you want to attack my wife …DID NOT ATTACK YOUR WIFE, THAT IS JUST YOUR SPIN…for no reason eh? If you are a Christian, …I AM…. as you have posted you are, then you must know that we are the true faith. Our God is the one true God and Jesus is his Son. We must go by the Bible and all the teachings of Jesus, all of them that is. We must also know why Jesus came to the earth. …I AGREE WITH THEM, WHAT’S YOUR POINT… NOT ALL PEOPLE DO AND UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION WE MUST RESPECT THEM WHICH YOU DO NOT….If you don’t agree with any of these things, then you are weak in the faith. This nation was founded on Christian .. WRONG… principles and we are a Christian nation…WRONG… FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

From Louie: “Christians alone or I might just come after your a**!?”

Another threat of violence from a christian. And then they have the gall to ask why aren’t they liked or respected.

Thanks for another example of christian hatred.

Rob

Invoked by atheist antagonists like you rob, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

It should NEVER have gone to court in the first place; it’s part of the “free exercise thereof” not to be prohibited and harms NO ONE! As a veteran who happens to not be a Christian, I don’t find that an offensive expression of honor to the fallen who gave their all in service to this nation, and I suspect those souls wouldn’t find it so either; it was erected in HONOR and with love and respect for them! The Libs and ACLU can’t have it both ways; either they respect the Constitution as it is, or they CAN’T quote and stand on it’s provisions to make their arguments against it!

“Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” Applies to private individuals or private organizations..the GOVT is Public.

If Public Funds were used, then the Amendment does not apply to the Monument, but to its owners.

Sook Young,

Do you know the name of the evil one in the Old Testament?It wasn’t Satan.
You won’t believe it,it was God.God said he was the author of good and evil.He sent an evil spirit,but wait a minute thats Satan’s job.You think God is trying to hog the market.Poor old Satan.He gets the blame for everything.HA ha ha ha ha ha ha

Richard Pawley,

Lucifer in The Bible was not Satan.It was the morning star Venus.Check it out.

Too much kool aid! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

How many times does it need to be explained to you that that there christian Jones didn’t use kool-aid to poison his flock.

Goddess Bless America

Can you prove that the most powerful of all isn’t a woman, samurai?

Rob

Can you moron? I didn’t think so. Here’s a question for you rob, can you prove God doesn’t exist? I didn’t think so. Keep your idiotic rantingsa to yourself and off of this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. Jones wasn’t a Christian. What about that idiot that shot that representative from Arizona? He was an atheist and a very left wing fanatic. It looks like a black eye for your side, moron.

Many Christians don’t accept what he said, and he didn’t at first himself, but Edgar Cayce, America’s so called ‘sleeping prophet’ once said that what we call stars are actually the physical bodies of angels, in a different dimension. I have no opinion on that but much of what he said while asleep was fascinating and he helped many people. There is much that we don’t know and some we will never know until we cross over to the other side, but many have experienced God in their life through the teachings of the Bible, also called the written word of God. On some things we could argue forever and nothing will be accomplished but as the ancient Chinese saying goes, when the student is ready the teacher will appear. The best book about Edgar Cayce for Christians is “20th Century Prophecy” by James Bjornstad. It’s out of print, but available. There are more than a hundred books about Cayce and his work for non-Christians, and several for and by doctors. I write about it and him in LEAVING SOUTH CAROLINA.

We were founded a Christian nation and by God we are!!! I”m so tired of the pissers and whiners crying every time they see a cross or some religious symbol. Well, I’m getting sick of seeing mosques built in our nation. If they don’t like it they can go back where they came from!!! I don’t go to their country and try to tell them they can’t have things they believe in there. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. I’m ready to fight for our country. The vast majority (84%) of us have no problem with crosses in our cemeteries and memorials, so I say majority rules!

You’re right Angie. We were founded a Christian nation. Now before the moron libs take a few shots at me, how about looking at this site and then you tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-DzDCe5u3Y

The person on there is a real historian and gives tours of the Capitol Building. Those of you who say Jefferson was a deist? Bzzzz, wrong answer. This site may “enlighten” the libs quite a bit. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

hahaha David Barton hahaha. Oral Roberts University grad… Christian Historical revisionist hahaha. Are you serious?

Where he graduated is irrelevant, Chris! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Excellent short video but those who have an agenda that is different from the facts will never accept the truth. They can’t be in error so the world must be in error. My advice: spend as much time praying as you do writing and you will see things change for the better, if not for the country, for you and your own family. Make sure the church you attend is truly teaching what Jesus taught, that it is a place where miracles take place and people are healed and lives changed.

Thank you Richard. I’ve been too busy working to read the posts these days. I’ve read yours and I want to say thank you for veing on the side of God and the patriots. People like you are an asset to this country, while those who seek to make it worse are enemies of it. I just want to say:

“I have always said, and will always say, that studious perusal of the sacred volume will make us better citizens.” Thomas Jefferson.

Jefferson is right even to this day it is true what he says. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

But Angie we are not just fighting “ding-bats and yo-yo’s” as Archie Bunker used to say, but evil. Evil is spiritual and only spiritual weapons can be successful against those who would destroy the USA. Of course, we were founded as a pro-Judeo-Christian nation, free of a forced state denomination, but although there are many Christians and Jews who love God in the United States today, one can hardly say we are still Christian when we have allowed 50,000,000 children to be killed since 1973. Abortion was illegal in 1776 so the Founding Fathers would never have approved Roe vs. Wade but would have delegated that to the states if any wanted it. Instead the ever-growing FEDERAL Government has forced this on us all. If they had followed the constitition they would have said there is no such right and then we would have left it to the states where it should be decided, but there are many in this nation today who believe that only an over-riding supreme government that is involved in every aspect of our lives is the answer to the brave new world of Marxist Utopia! Likewise the radical notion of homosexual marriages is not found in the constitution and if it is going to exist it can only be something that takes place on a state level. However, even here the FEDERAL government feels it should be the referee. The states should not be able to decide and busy body Uncle Sam knows best. Twice California said no, and twice, FEDERAL judges in the ninth district, who think they have the wisdom of God, have said, “No, the people are wrong, and what we say goes!” This sort of thing could not happen in a truly Christian country or even in a country that followed the Constitution. According to the Constitution the states have the ulitmate power, but according to Marxist Socialism, Nazism, Facism, or Communism, the FEDERAL government has the final say. As a nation we still have many Christian values but like the ancient Israelites we have lost our way as a nation. Like ancient Rome we are spread thin all over the world. Like the Romans we have been debauching our money (creating 70,000 million dollars each month out of thin air) which would not have been possible if we had not thrown out another part of the constitition, saying that CONGRESS WAS RESPONSIBLE for the money and that only gold and silver will be money. Some wrote that we are the richest nation in the world but that is a gross error. Our wealth is merely paper, cotton and linen. WE OWE MORE THAN ANY NATION HAS EVER OWED IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. Being in debt doesn’t make one rich. A executive at GE recently wrote me and reminded me that we have more gold in the treasury than any nation on earth BUT DURING THE LAST FOUR YEAR REIGN OF NANCY PELOSI AND HER SIDE-KICK HARRY REID, WE SPENT 14 TIMES THE VALUE OF ALL THAT GOLD IN THE TREASURY, IF WE VALUE IT AT 1400 AN OUNCE. One might that Nancy Pelosi has spent more money than any woman in history ($5,150,000 million dollars). Being in debt is not a Christian virtue. In fact the scriptures say “Owe no man anything but the debt of love” and up until the first Great Depression (the one that I wrote about in LEAVING SOUTH CAROLINA, my autobiography, will be even GREATER) you could not get loans on houses or cars for more than five years because many people believed that verse. A few years ago in 1999 Clinton signed off on the Republican Bill that eliminated all the safeguards (The Glass-Steagal Act) that kept the banks from creating another financial crisis and it only took 8 years for them to create another stock market crash and even the Chairman of the FED says it will take at least 8 years to get things back to ‘normal’. I propose that things will not get back to ‘normal’ anytime in our lifetime if we don’t turn back to God. There is so much that God has revealed that even many of his people don’t know. The key for all who call themselves Christians is to pray every day that God will work His will on all our country. Only He can stop the evil and re-establish righteousness. No one is going to like the future if this doesn’t happen. May God bless all who read this, no one else is going to do so!

Angie says: ” If they don’t like it they can go back where they came from!!! ”

What about the American Indians who were murdered by all those early christians? They belong here. And I’ll bet their gods are upset that yours stomped on them.

Don’t you think oppression is very bad no matter who does it? Even in the name of the christian god.

Rob

Of course oppression is bad no matter who does it! But you sound like you are looking for reasons to oppose God and His only begotten Son (We are all sons of God if we accept being adopted into the Family of God). That’s what Christianity is all about. A common mistake is to look at all who call themselves Christian and think that is how God is like…No, No, No, a thousand times No! Becoming a Christian means you are on the right road, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO MAKE THE TRIP. Ideally and ultimately those who are cooperating with God on their journey are going to go a lot further than those who just accept Jesus but seldom pray or read the Bible to learn and grow the way He wants us to do. I sincerely doubt if there were many but ordinary people who were fighting the Native Americans. Your assumption that all the peoples in early days of our country were Christian would be taken exception to my many who write on this site. You talk about the Native American ‘gods’ being angry that the Christian God stomped on them, and that is almost true. Some of the Native Americans were decent peoples and some tribes were not. Grouping them all together is the same as saying that all the early Americans were Christian. Some were, some weren’t. Me thinks you are arguing for the sake of argument, but God still loves you anyway!

Robert Smith and Karolyn -
There’s something your ignorance of Scripture leaves you incredibly vulnerable to: as Karolyn said (above, Jan 8 12:06 pm), “…there are many that believe in God, as myself”.
You ought to read the Gospels and Acts and consider something that becomes very clear there. Jesus Christ was sent to the Hebrew people to fulfill promises made by God millenia before. By the time Jesus was sent the Hebrews had got to the point they “believed in” God but few actually “believed” God. There is an eternity’s worth of difference between the two positions.
In Acts, chapters 1 – 7, you read about some men who quickly surmounted some huge personal hurdles. They went from abject fear of Judaic leaders to standing before them at trials and telling those Judaic leaders they ought to consider, “Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, you judge.”
See, those blind Judaists “worshipped at” God and “believed in” God
but refused to “BELIEVE GOD” in the face of tremendous evidence that they were about to get rolled over by the ball they had fallen off.
See, when the apostles taught and prayed signs and healings and wonders hapened. It still happens today where people actually believe and do what those first century disciples said and did.
Be careful to make sure you’re, “On the ball”.

Well said, Mike!

I’ve seen the Star of David at cemeteries. No problem there. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!