It’s obvious that you’ve never served in the military. If you did, you would know what you just said is a load of BS. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

How does one bad apple spoil the barrel ? especially when it’s madatory to have the bad apple.

So be all that you can be be. Just keep it a secret.

If a gay wants to come out they will at their own risk. You can see the extreme “anti-homo” talk that is on just this site. It takes only one person that thinks god told him to kill homosexuals to ruin your day.

Yea, specifically if you are the one being killed.

Sorry, but 91% of the soldiers asked said they wouldn’t follow a gay leader, so where do you get 70% favor it?

wwwAIPNews.org

These are the real numbers and no the ones from the left. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

The gvt. cooked the books on the survey. the questions asked in the survey were not objective at all. kinda like “do you still beat your wife?” Strange things happen in the fog of combat, bullets can fly from the damnest directions. Grenades don’t have a conscience, “Fags to the Front.”

Hey Jeremy,

Call them as you see them. He is Barry soetorro to me until he proves his citizenship.Can’t believe you still perceive him as president! I never have and never will.I Didn’t drink the kool-aid unlike you.

Bill: I didnt drink the kool aid. On numerous websites and on various news shows they have presented a certificate of live birth for Barack Hussein Obama as well as a newspaper article mentioning his birth along with the names of his parents. He is a citizen of America so far as I can tell. And so far as I can tell that makes him the president since he won the most electoral and most popular votes. And to put you at ease Bill I am loyal to the republic above all else. All I want is what in my limited interpretation appears to be best for America and at least for now Obama appears to be the best. If that changes I will change my vote but for now I support him and I simply ask if you could please respect the position even if you dont respect the man. Its right to disrespect if that is your view, but if you care for your country as I believe you do please respect the office.

My heart goes out to you!

Most people will never know what that means.

Joe K,
not only that, in Georgia even during those times, he could have been shot walking down the street with either of them! I was at Benning in 72 and had a friend who happened to have been black. we went into a bar there with a couple of other friends and they refused to serve him. When we all decided to walk out and not order they relented and said he could have ONE beer. We told them to shove their beer somewhere uncomfortable and walked out.

The most abundant element in the universe is hydrogen, which makes up about 3/4 of all matter! Helium makes up most of the remaining 25%.

Anti Government

I knew there was something about that quote that wasn’t quite correct. You are right, I remember that now. Thanks for the heads up.

If you apply the brain matter from washington.. You may gain a growth of around .00000000000000000000000000000001.

The unfortunate reality is, it is not really brain matter they are missing. I hate to admit it, but Obama, much as I detest what he is doing to my country, is not stupid. Neither are Harry Ried, Nancy Pelosi or any of that crowd. Their problem is not lack of brain matter. It is a lack of giving a damn about the differences between what is right and what is wrong. The problem is their money grubbing, power hungry megalomaniacal arrogance. They believe in the divine right of kings and queens and that think that is them.

Joe K.,
actually with Nancy P-lousy, I do believe it is a lack of bumpy grey matter. No one in their right mind when trying to “fool” the whole country would utter the dumbest of lines like “We’ll have to pass it to see what’s in it!” She HAS to have a lack of smarts!!!

Well, lets just think about that a minute.

Liberals, pro abortion. Was Christ?
Liberals, pro homosexual. Was Christ?
Liberals, punish people for success. Did Christ?
Liberals, Dictate social policy. Did Christ?
Liberals, people come second to animal rights. Would Christ support that?
Liberals, pro same sex marriage. Was Christ?

Christ, work with your own hands that you might have to give to him that has need. Sound like a liberal to you?

Christ, if any man should take away your coat, give to him your cloak also. Liberals, law suit, law suit, laws suit, take, take, take. Sound like the same thing to you?

Christ: Why call ye me Lord, Lord, and do not the things that I say? Liberals: Do what we say, or suffer the consequences.

Christ: If any offend one of these little ones, it were better for him that a milestone were tied about his neck and that he be cast into the sea. Liberals, the North American Man/Boy Love Association. Also, can a young woman in your state who is to young to enter a contract, vote, live on her own, drink, smoke (younger than 18) have sex with who ever she wants when she wants at the age of 16, or less and if she gets pregnant, seek help for an abortion at her public school, without her parents consent? Thank you liberals.

Christ: So unto others as you would have them do unto you. Liberals: If you want my respect, you have to earn it (IE, be someone I like)

Christ: What think ye?

Liberals: How do you feel about this?

Christ: All things work together for good to them that love God. Liberals: Bigger government and less freedom for individuals is good for the people.

This is all just off the top of my head at the spur of the moment. Trust me, you wouldn’t want to get into a real discussion with me on this subject if you are a liberal, you are unarmed.

I remember the old liberal line (lie) that Communism, or Socialism are morally equivalent with first century Christianity where each gave as he had means to those who had need. It is true, they did, and it might surprise you to know that Christians do still do that. Look around at the hospitals, how many carry Christian names? How many carry Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist names? It is a long, long jump from giving as you have means (liberals do this, too, the just use other peoples money to do it, not their own) to Karl Marx’s idea of government coercion “From each according to his ability (who decides what anothers’ abilities are… to a liberal, the government) to each according to his needs. (and who decides what people need according to liberals? The government, or what every politically correct action comity you can use to force your will on others.

I know, there is that fairy tale (pardon the pun) out there that Christ was gay. Heard it, it’s bunk, just another liberal lie.

No, I do not think Christ hated gay people any more than he would hate me. He gave his life on the cross for me. He did the same for gay people. The difference between me and them is that I know I am a sinner lost without Christ and they believe that I owe it to them to celebrate their sin. I know that Christ can hold me accountable, and a liberal, even if he claims to believe in Christ, does not really believe that even Christ will hold him (or her) accountable.

AMEN!!!

I second that AMEN! Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

Your name doesn’t sound American at all. If you can’t show respect to those who were born here, which include millions of gay people, then maybe you don’t deserve to live in America. Please show us that you actually have some dignity to show for all people. Be the kind of person everyone can respect, instead of being someone we’re perplexed by.

Thank you.

Joe_k
“Liberals, pro abortion” Christ would not condone abortion, but it is a fallacy that liberals are “pro” abortion. Liberals may accept abortion as a women’s right to choose, but no one I know likes abortion.

“Liberals, pro homosexual.” Again, the term “pro” suggests that we want homosexuality. A better question would be was Christ tolerant of homosexuals? I would say we split the line here.

“Liberals, punish people for success.” Liberals do not “punish” people for financial success, (which is, of course how you are equating “success”) nor do they hate them for it. What Liberals ask is that the wealthy recognize the value of the our nation and the work others have done to help them reach their goals, and to show compassion for those who are unable to live beyond poverty. Did Christ? Well, “…I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Sounds like he wanted the wealthy to give.

“Liberals, Dictate social policy. Did Christ?” You ask me to accept a nation of laws based on the teachings of the Bible, and then you ask me if Christ dictated social policy?

“Liberals, people come second to animal rights. Would Christ support that?” This is a matter of opinion. In most cases where the survival of a species is put before the wants of man, IMHO man is being selfish. I don’t recall the last time people died because a species was saved. A business or industry may have suffered, but that’s another story. Man has been given the unique ability to analyze and learn from experience. Using this ability, we have seen the domino effect that can occur when a species or ecosystem is allowed to fail. As stewards of the earth, it is our responsibility to protect it, and at times that requires putting aside our own desires for the health of our world. Besides, wasn’t Noah, in a sense told to put the animals before man?

“Liberals, pro same sex marriage. Was Christ?” Where does it say that he was not?

“Christ, work with your own hands that you might have to give to him that has need. Sound like a liberal to you?” I have almost always earned my living with my hands, and gave to those in need. I’m liberal.

“Christ, if any man should take away your coat, give to him your cloak also. Liberals, law suit, law suit, laws suit, take, take, take. Sound like the same thing to you?” All most of the conservatives on this site do is complain about all that is taken from them and how they hate those who do not work for their own. Do you think that fits Christ’s words?

“Christ: Why call ye me Lord, Lord, and do not the things that I say? Liberals: Do what we say, or suffer the consequences.” Give me a break.

“Christ: If any offend one of these little ones, it were better for him that a milestone were tied about his neck and that he be cast into the sea. Liberals, the North American Man/Boy Love Association.” Really? You think Liberals approve of NAMBLA? This may be your worst biblical argument of all, and the last I’ll waste time with. It’s very clear that this came “off the top of your head” as there was little thought put into it. It seems your grand self image has gotten the best of you. Christ might not have been an extreme Liberal, but neither was he among the hate spewing conservatives I see in this blog.

So, in the end you believe ” a liberal, even if he claims to believe in Christ, does not really believe that even Christ will hold him (or her) accountable.” Good for you. I guess you are above us all since you can see into our hearts and minds and pass judgment on us. I’m certain that Christ will step aside so that you can take your rightful place beside GOD. Until then, consider the sin of self riotousness and pride. As for me, I will continue to recognize that neither liberals or conservatives have the corner on riotousness or sin. The best we can do is strive to follow the teachings as we best understand them. We are fortunate to live in a time and place where each of use can read and discuss those teachings, rather than simply depending on religious leaders to tell us right from wrong.

Kinetic1

““Liberals, pro homosexual.” Again, the term “pro” suggests that we want homosexuality. A better question would be was Christ tolerant of homosexuals? I would say we split the line here.”

Do you seriously expect an intelligent person to believe that liberals do not want homosexuality after the 40 years of indoctrinational lies and blatant activism we have seen” You have GOT to be kidding me. LOL.

You split that line if you want to, it is, after all, a liberal thing to do. Know this, if you think Christ would waiver on that issue, you know nothing of Christ. His was not to condemn, but to save. But even Christ cannot and will not and is not able to save someone bent on his own eternal destruction. God created man and woman for a reason. Any one who thinks his own morality is superior to Him that created us in his own image, and insists on the right to pervert that image, to teach others to do so, to force that perversion on whole peoples, has greater and bigger things to worry about than what I think of him, or her.

Don’t believe it? Oh well. Your life, like mine, is a vapor that appears for a while and then vanishes away. We are all going to be what we are going to be. It is appointed once for a man to die, after this, the judgment. But, if you are that sure of yourself, that you can mock Christ and assign to him such moral attributes, that will be between you, and Him.

Liberals are not pro abortion? They are just for a woman’s right to choose? Tell me, when an abortion is done, does something die? Is that something the woman? Is that something animal, mineral, vegetable, or human? Furthermore, every time a woman gets an abortion, she must live with it the rest of her life and a man, whether he pays for it or not, walks away from responsibility. Do you believe this country needs any more irresponsible men than we already have?

As for the rest of what you had to say, I have already been to lengthy on this forum, I think I better not reply to all of that liberal claim to moral superiority

There is one more thing, Kinetic1:

It is not necessary to see into your heart or your mind. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Your own words define you, not some ‘magical’ power that I have. Nice try, though, but predictable. Any time a liberal cannot win an argument on the basis the merits of their stand, assault the character of the person who will not submit. To do that, assign to that person anything that will make him or her look ridiculous. The problem with that, however, is that the only mind influenced by that tactic is the liberal one that is not influenced by anything contrary to their personal assumptions.

LOL…. the old hate monger speech. One of the truest, surest signs of a liberal mind is the propensity to accuse others of hatred, while they themselves play the victim and make all kinds of accusations and demeaning comments. To a liberal of today, any one who stands up for himself against their yada, yada, yada, is a racist or a hate monger. Liberals cannot even grasp that not only are they miles off base concerning reality, they are as predictable as gravity.

Joe_k,
So you’ll stop at the first two points, huh? Homosexuality and abortion are, indeed two of the biggest issues dividing Christians today, and it makes sense that you would defend your position. There is little doubt that you have many supporters here. But to stop short of your weaker arguments in favor of assaulting my morality and intelligence again, that says volumes.

Simply put, your assertion that “…a liberal, even if he claims to believe in Christ, does not really believe that even Christ will hold him (or her) accountable.” suggests a personal view of moral superiority. Assigning you failings to your opponent may seem like a good tactic, but I’m not buying it. And to disagree with me is not an automatic sign of “hate” and I would never suggest that is the case, but this site regularly plays host to people who suggest things like picking off gays with a rifle. That sort of talk can not be defined as anything else.

Sorry, but you are wrong on freedon of choice and free will. The liberals have taken what God has told us and have warped, twisted, and perverted the doctrine of free will and freedom of choice to fulfill their agenda. Free Will given to us by God: “Do you believe in God and serve him, yes or no?” That’s the free will given to us by God and nothing else. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

“The best we can do is strive to follow the teachings as we best understand them” Well, that is true up to a point, but if we truly seek God we will find Him. Jesus said, “no one who turns to me will I ever turn away” He also told his disciples when they clamored to know when the world would end or what the signs would be, he told them that “it will be as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah” (not just flamboyant homosexuality but greed and avarice on a scale seldom seen). He also told that it would be caused by so many “stars” (the generic term back then that covered meteorites, asteroids, and comets) striking the earth that it would be like figs coming down off a fig tree in a storm. The Bible that Jesus read was the Old Testament and in it God did forbid the sacrificing of babies on the altar of Baal. Today we sacrifice them on the altar of Hedonism. God is a loving God and He hates no one, but He does hate sin which will ultimately destroy the sinner. Hell was never created for humans but for the intellectually superior angels who chose to revolt in a hopeless quest to take over heaven. Another important factor and group that is seldom mentioned is those who are chastised and threatened more than homosexuals and that is ex-homosexuals, those 200,000 gays and lesbians who did not want to be that way and through the dynamic power or Christ were healed. Some of their stories are amazing. What God can do for one he can do for another. It has been many years since I have done any reading on this topic but what I remember was fascinating. My suggestion – seek Jesus with all your heart. A good 106 page easy to read book that is funny and amazing is PRISON TO PRAISE a classic paperback my Chaplain Merlin Carothers. It doesn’t go into homosexuality but it tells how he, a soldier and a con man “extraodinaire” discoverd what most first century Christians knew, when they were filled with the Holy Spirit as in Chapter Two of the book of Acts. It has action, humor, and shows the power of God in a practical way from WWII up till Vietnam – all in 106 pages. It’s available in 50 languages. If anyone who is gay is reading this and doesn’t want to be I know of no other way of being changed than letting Jesus Christ change you. It may be instantaneous or it may take time. I’m just telling you that my God works miracles and that He loves all who are reading this. “Seek me with all your heart,” He said once, “and I will give you the desires of your heart.” If you are content the way you are and just want to prove you are right and nature and the world are wrong, well that will be between you and God. No words of mine will change you, but seek God like Carothers did and if you find Him you will be amazed. Faith is wonderful but there can come a time when it is no longer necessary to believe because you will know, and there is great peace in that, the peace that the world can neither give nor take away, and you will be thankful every day of the rest of your life. The same is true for those who are not gays and lesbians. The Bible says “God is no respecter of persons” so all are important to him. May He bless all who read this.

Kinetic1

P.S.

Christ: “Render therefore unto God the things that are Gods, and unto Ceasar (government) the things that are Ceasars.

Liberals: Uh…. What God?

Kinetic1

P.S. #2

You say “Truth is not the exclusive property of any one group.” That is, of course, a “liberal” thing to say. To a liberal, truth is “relative”.

Christ said “Sanctify them in thy truth. Thy word is truth.”

Christ also said “If you continue in my word (that means read it, study it, remember it, learn it, live it) then you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free”

Homosexual liberals believe they will eventually be set free through activism and government coercion (Coercion is the practice of forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, intimidation or some other form of pressure or force. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way.

The fact is, no man is ever free of what he is, unless he be free in Christ. That is not a ‘relative’ truth. It is THE truth. Forcing others to accept them openly will not give them peace of mind when they reflect on their own spiritual condition. It will only cause more chaos in our society, as did Roe V. Wade, which did not close the abortion issue, but ultimately divided the country and continues to do so. So will all gay rights issues, in perpetuity, so long as the country survives. The question is, how much moral chaos can we survive before we have destroyed the foundations of freedom?

Joe_k,
Your “Truth” is based on an interpretation of the Bible, of which there are many. To compound this issue is the fact that the Bible has been altered and corrupted by man through the centuries. Even Christians of different sects can’t agree on everything Christ was purported to have said and done. It is for this reason, and this reason alone that I question the validity of your “truth” as opposed to that of a Buddhist, a Jew or a follower of almost any of the other major religions.

Kinetic1

“Your “Truth” is based on an interpretation of the Bible, of which there are many.”

First, it is not “My” truth. I did not write it, think it, dream it up or imagine it.. Yes, there are many who believe it is all in how you interpret the Bible. Funny, every one who believes that also believes that a “Stop” sign says “Stop”, a “Women” sign on a bathroom door means men are not allowed. We all agree that green is green, red is red, purple is purple and so on. We all believe there are the same number of ounces in a pound, that a meter, measured by a tape measure made in America, England, China, Korea is exactly the same length. We all believe in the validity of a written contract and agree with one another concerning it’s stipulations before we sigh it (unless we didn’t really bother to read it). All around you is evidence that people can agree on just about anything, given an OBJECTIVE standard.

But, when it comes to the Bible, the objective standard of God concerning the condition of man, the character of man, the duties of man, the destination of man, the nature of man, then we want to argue it’s all just a matter of opinion. Nest time you need a board cut at 2 ft. 1 1/2 inch or such, do you suppose you will go out and ask for 25oo different opinions on where to cut the board, or will you use a tape measure?

People can agree on what the Bible teaches, but only if they can first agree that the all encompassing authority over the existence of man is God. It is not Peter, Paul, Apollos, Martin Luther, John Calvin or the Pope. It is Gods word, it should be regarded as such by the individual and while that may not clear up every issue, it would certainly clear up most of the confusion in the world of which God is not the author, man is.

You also say “To compound this issue is the fact that the Bible has been altered and corrupted by man through the centuries.” To those who have not studied the history of the Bible, the sources from which it’s writings came, how differing translations were done, yes, this is an easy cop out. In other words, prove your statement. Honest study of the historic creation and translation(s) of the Bible will prove you false in your easy assumption. Frankly, you are just repeating what you have heard other people who are ignorant on the subject say.

The difficulty with accepting the word of God as the unaltered word of God is not that it has been tried and found wanting. It is just easier to make blanket assumptions and let it go at that.

You also said “Even Christians of different sects can’t agree on everything Christ was purported to have said and done.” On the surface, this may seem like a viable excuse for remaining ignorant of what God may have to say to you, personally , in His word. It is a true statement. But it is not true because the Bible presents the will of God or of Christ that way. It is true because of a lack of respect for the authority of God, even by those who think they have it right. Any one can err. I assure you, I do often. It is also true that it is not possible to continually deceive those who do their own homework. It is ok to learn from others, but ultimately, you can read and understand English. You have the ability to find the truth in the word of God, and there is only one. The Bible is the objective standard of truth. It is a tape measure by which we may measure ourselves. A denomination is a denominate part of something that used to be whole or original. A penny, a nickle, a dime, a quarter, all parts of a dollar. A five, a ten, a twenty dollar bill (ect) is a multiple of that same dollar. But a Dollar is still a dollar. Denominations take favored parts of the Bible and build false teachings on them, or, they add to or take away from the teachings of the Bible and create new denominations.

Even in the first century, this was a problem for the apostles. But there is absolutely not one single verse in the Bible that can be construed as to mean that Christ is divided. So don’t blame that on him, he isn’t the one who did it.

You say “I question the validity of your “truth” ” Well, if it were MY truth, you would be wise to do so. If all men and women were that wise, there would be no divisions in the “Christian” world. It is Gods truth. It is not to be tampered with. If you will do the research on the origins of the Bible and how it has been translated, you will see that although some tampering has occurred, most translations are in complete agreement on those things that are relevant to your personal salvation.

Yes, there are other religions. Jewish, Buddhist, Atheist (that is a religion, too, contrary to claims of atheist that they have no religion), Muslim, Pantheism, and many more. It is said they all lead to the same ultimate destination, they only disagree on minor issues such as God, Christ, the devil, heaven, hell, eternal damnation and salvation. Don’t sweat the small stuff, huh?

Joe_k,
I’ll keep this short. The argument that the Bible is the incontrovertible word of God only holds water if you follow all it’s teachings, which few if any modern Christians do. Most Christians pick and choose those parts that seem relevant, agree with their personal beliefs or at least do not interfere with the life they choose to lead. Perhaps you are one of the special few who live a strict biblical life. My study of Biblical history included discussions with my then Lutheran Pastor who studied Greek in order to be able to read the ancient texts. It is with the opinions of my pastor, along with my own study and understanding of the Bible’s history, that I have reached my conclusions. If you believe that the Bible is truly the divine word of God, and that al the teachings held within are without fault, then you must follow those teachings to the best of your ability. If, on the other hand you believe that some sections are no longer relevant, then you put everything into question. In that case, who decides what is right?

There is three things that you may not know about that refutes the argument that the Bible has been corrupted. The Jews were required to copy the old testament (the Bible Jesus read) by hand and it was not done in pages but in scrolls. If a single error was made the entire scroll, often a years work had to be scraped. Additionally the Dead Sea Scrolls that contain some dozens of volumes that were hidden about a hundred years before Jesus was born are in essential agreement with what we have today. And to top it all off, though many Christians and Jews don’t accept it because they don’t like the idea that God would do something like that, the entire study of the Bible Codes would be reduced to gibberish (which some atheists insist it is) if things were changed. This reason along gives rise to the reason why the Bible says let all the curses of the Bible be on anyone who adds or subtracts a single letter. IF they did the probability of the Codes would be greatly reduced or not even evident. The study of these codes such as has been done by The Isaac Newton Bible Code Research Society has uncovered many fascinating things about events that happened thousands of years after they were written and some that have not happened yet. The 1996 best seller, THE BIBLE CODE, by Michael Drosnin is a good introduction though he is not a scientist and the INBCRS has done much serious study and have found more than I could put in a dozen comments, even references to the Haitian earthquake earlier in the year. It would take to long to explain but if you are not prejudiced against it you may have a fascinating time learning about one of the most amazing discoveries of our time. Atheists will always hate it because if the codes are mostly correct (they all deal in probability) then the Bible itself must be the same as it was in ancient times. A Christian who believes in Jesus and the Bible doesn’t need this extra proof but skeptics and those who believe as you say you do, may find it a great help. “Seek and ye shall find!”

Joe..

I think your correct..

The government has forced us as a people to accept a philosophy that is totally imoral based on some grand sceem of what an idiot calls a “right” of freedom to a minority of / for the people.
This is exactly where this nation has gone far and behond the principals of the sole rights or the individual rights of a person.
In other words if a fag wants to do something the government will back that up.
If and I say that as if yes obama wants queers ( he does ) he than has the right to force that on me, but at the same time God wil destroy him for this!

Just remember that sodomy is punishable under the UCMJ. On or off of duty is irrelevent. Ergo, they can’t try to do any knid of sexual activity while wearing the uniform. Let’s see how mant more courts martial there are within the next year or two. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Sodomy is done by both men and woman you moron. I thought, since you like to use moron quite often, it’s a word you might actually understand.

By the way, the ‘For God And Country’ coming from you rings the most hollow I have ever seen in my life.

Geez, you focus on a lot of twisted stuff. Don’t have enough going on in your own life to think about?

If you think the majority of the people in the military, or in this country are homos, you’re crazy! I know what would have happened to a homo in our ranks when I was in the military and I don’t think things have changed that much! We’ll see how well this goes over, and won’t be good for the homos!

Dean,
I know that gays account for less than 5% of the population, but that is why I am amazed by the fear they instill. Do you or anyone else here really think that the country will be irreversibly damaged by 5% of the population? I would be surprised if even 25% of that 5% was all that politically active!

it’s not fear; it’s revoltion.

And that my friend is the kind of thinking they are banking on. Ideology like that just make it easier for them to spread their plague

M,
Yes M, I see “straights” showing off their sexuality every day! They are on billboards and TV, they “make out” in public with no concern for others. There are, indeed a number of Gays who like to flaunt their sexuality as well and I for one find it offensive, just as I find the people on “Jersey Shores” offensive. Are you really telling me that “the Situation” is not flaunting his sexuality? Your argument fails to acknowledge that their are tens of thousands of gays and lesbians who are no more obvious than you and I. At most they may hold hands in public. To lump all homosexuals in with the small group that is marching in a gay pride parades is no better than to suggest that all heterosexuals hang out at the Playboy mansion.

LOL!! For the record, I have never watched Jersey Shore. That type of “entertainment” does not interest me. But, I see your point.

Who said I watch it? I can’t turn on the TV without someone talking about “Snookie” or “the Situation.” I fear for a nation that finds this trash entertaining.

Brilliant analogy about heterosexuals and the Playboy Mansion and I totally agree with your stance on The Jersey Shore.

And don’t forget about the multi-billion dollar heterosexual porn industry and all the stuff that goes with it.

They have to flaunt it. They know they’re perverts and secretly ashamed of it. so they bury the guilt by trying to convince everyone else their behavior is normal. Works on the libs; those saps will fall for anything.

They have to flaunt it. They know they’re perverts and secretly ashamed of it. So they bury the guilt by trying to convince everyone else their behavior is normal. Works on the libs; those saps will fall for anything…

I know what you mean about flaunting. Look at all the crap that you flaunt on here.

You don’t have to explain your arrogance to me and You are wrong plain and simple. Be a true American and accept all citizens as equal or maybe you have the problem. You are too busy picking and choosing who is good and who is bad. You sound like a Santa Claus story.Societies that out people or treat them differently usually fail in time. Giving anyone equal rights should be a given in America. Not like some of you folks who always want to take away those rights.

eddie, you speak to me of equal rights…it would be different if this was actually the case but I’m sorry its not. This is nothing BUT a political move and you should know that. When you force an agenda upon someone That is what it is. I am by no means any better than anyone else and WE ALL will stand judgement but once you start imposing openly gay in the military you are asking for trouble especially in combat especially in war time!
And Kinetic, do I love everyone the same yes I do….does the bible teach me to say it’s ok to be gay??? NO, it teaches me to tell others it’s against Gods will and to impose that upon others by force IS AGAINST GODS WILL. Does this weaken our military, in my opinion it does for its going to cause too many problems in the name of “political correctness” for that is what this nation has become! A NATION OF TOLERENCE! The bibles, we watched muslims burn bibles while the world cried in fear over the threat of one man threatening to burn a Quarn….you tell me where we have gone wrong, I would have set it aflame for it is false witness to everyone and blasphmy to anyone who reads it!

“Tolerance is the final virtue of a dying society.” Aristotle.
FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Teresa,
I have just two questions for you.

1) Why do you oppose the repeal of one military law (DADT), but condemn the enforcement of another?Central Command General Order No. 1 specifically forbids “proselytizing of any faith, religion or practice” by members of our military? The Bibles you spoke of were printed in Pashto and Dari, the predominant languages in that particular region. Clearly they were meant to be used to convert locals to Christianity in violation of GO1. The military does not stop individual soldiers from being Christian or force them to burn their personal Bibles.

2) Why is your “Right and Wrong” more important than mine? We both share the same fundamental law; “Love your neighbor as yourself “. I believe that this requires tolerance of others, so long as their actions do no harm. This policy allows most gays to live in peace while accepting your right to speak out. You, on the other hand want our government to enforce your narrow religious views, regardless of the opinions of the majority of Americans. Where do we draw the line?

You’re wrong about the religious part in our military. If this were true, then the chaplains would be out of work. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai,
Chaplains are there for the religious needs of our soldiers. They are not there to proselytize among the citizens. This link will take you too the document. Proselytizing is listed as item p under the heading of prohibited activities. This document also outlines the rules of behavior that will prohibit Gays from “running wild” post DADT.

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123073/2133676/2150683/GO%201%201%20NOV%2005.pdf

OK Kinetic, I read the thing. I guess I’ll agree with you on this one.
FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai,
the government is guilty of picking and chosing what they want to enforce on this. There are embedded reporters that travel with the units that routienly take pictures of our wounded and dead troops! How can kenetic guarantee that the government won’t do that with gays that proposition???

As always, good posting, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

DADT would work perfectly on you. We won’t ASK for your opinion and you don’t have to TELL us either.

Oh by the way fast eddie, make that popping sound

up the hill
airborne

What a shame Murf; You are a liar at it’s finest and you are the one who should be driven off your computer or to hell for that matter. I never once said I didn’t believe in God or Jesus and I have said the exact opposite. You are a pathetic shallow person or should we be calling you a shallow pathetic lying snake;for that would be more appropriate. Nice of you to give the airborne a bad name for you certainly can’t be trusted in what you say!

As much as you flip flop back and forth in what you rant about fast eddie, one can only wonder if your name is even eddie or you are just hiding behind another falsehood. And I’d advise you to leave the Screaming Eagles (or the 82nd airborne) out of your rants because these are real men, something you know nothing about!

Eddie is correct. You are totally pathetic.
By the way, does the S.C. in your name stand for S*ck C*ck?

You are still loony Murf. So leave the airborne out of your comments then;if you want to lie about someone then be willing to back it up or back off. Then I might consider you to be a “real man”.

eddie,
I’d be real careful about begging a man from the 82nd to “back it up”! you might not like what happens to your bones!!!

Joe H., edduh does like bones. (offensive words removed)FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Bob,
No one is asking you to accept homosexuality any more than they ask you to accept the equality of Blacks. If you want to go around telling your friends that Gays are an abomination, or that blacks are mentally inferior, you may be ostracized by the public at large, but you won’t be jailed. As long as you refrain from calling for others who share your beliefs to join you in violently ridding the world of gays, you’ll be fine. If we, as a nation were going to incarcerate people who used offensive speech, then the Westboro Baptist Church would have been shut down years ago.

we’re talking about the military here not civilian life. BIG difference. You can count on there being charges of hate speech and discrimination agains anyone who speaks out.

Sorry, but what do the African Americans have to do with the article at hand? I guess that the liberals must really like using race to forward their objectives. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

Sook Young,
The arguments against gays serving, and the bias against gays in general is very much like integration of blacks in the military. Take a look at the news of the day and you’ll find writer after writer speaking of the mental and social inferiority of blacks and the devastation that would be caused by allowing them to serve alongside whites. That is what blacks have to do with this conversation.

kenetic,
the comparison is like apples and oranges. blacks are born black! Gays are NOT!!! No proof to the opposite exhists! there has never been a “gay” gene found!!!

That’s true, Joe H. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

No gay gene has been found? Seriously? You think people choose to be gay? Gee JoeH… did wake up this morning and decide to be straight? People are born gay they don’t decide to be gay just to piss you off or offend your religious beliefs. If you bothered to have an open mind you’d find that homosexuality occurs in the animal world too. You don’t need a special gene to be gay anymore than you need a special gene to be narrow minded and intolerant.

Sorry Jackson, but it hasn’t been proven that being gay is a product of DNA. If it were, why would it say:

“If a man lieth with another man, as he would with a woman, let him die the death. Likewise, if a woman lieth with another woman, as she would do with a man, let her die the death.”

Why would God say that anyone who practices such things are not welcome in Heaven, if it was due to DNA? Don’t you think God knows what is a choice and what is something you can’t control? Cite some sources on this matter, but they better be ones from the New England Journal of Medicine, JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association), or some other offical, fact supported report. To say the homosexuality is DNA linked or a psychological condition is absurd and so is the person telling such lies to support their immoral lifestyle. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

Stop bringing up the animal arguement. People and animals are different. If you can’t come up with some factual information, then please try to study something before comming here and wasting our time.

Here you go…

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199410063311407

I have read what you posted, but I’m sorry to say that it is factually unsound. First, they talk more about the psychological effects of being gay not not DNA. DNA deals with the physical make up of the human body, thus having nothing to do about how we feel or think. Second, being gay is a choice. No one is born gay. If they were, why would it say it’s wrong in the Bible? Why was Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed by God because of actions like the ones we are talking about? This is just a blatant attempt to try to make gays look like victims and nothing else. The report is nothing more than theories. A theory is something that hasn’t been proven yet. If it were, it would be called a scientific fact. Sorry, but to a nurse with a MSN and 20 years of experience this report doesn’t stand up to proven facts. Homosexuality has never been proven to be a psychological problem nor has it been proven to be genetically passed down from generation to generation. Sorry, but you just lost the debate, care to go again? Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

P.S. Merry Christmas to everyone here and I’ll be praying for Curtis, Jackson, and other liberals on this site tht they may, one day, see the light and acknowlegde the errors of their ways.

This again sounds like this Chris person! Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

What a moronic woman you are. Thank you.

Kinetic1: Thank you for that thoughtful reply. I mean that sincerely. It is a different perspective, and one that I appreciate. This is how we learn from one another.

M,
And thank you for your civility. I understand the discomfort many people feel when around openly gay people, whether it comes from religious upbringing or natural aversion. I don’t expect to change those feelings, just to give thought to the other side.

By the way, I know it’s off topic, but does anybody else here miss hearing Christmas music when they go shopping? I can accept those stores that feel the need to exclude particularly religious songs, especially if the owner is not Christian, but is it really offensive to play “Rudolph” or “Frosty”? How about “Let it snow”?

You want PC military but then complain about PC shopping?

That’s just too damn bad. They should never have been allowed in in the first place.

No one is afraid of the queers, other than getting their blood on you. It’s just that real men find them dispicable and freaks.

No Gunner… real men aren’t afraid of homosexuals. Tiny minded homophobes… men who are unclear and uncertain of their sexuality are afraid of homosexuals. Scared that they may be actually be homosexuals themselves, they spew hate towards the very group they are probably a member of. You’re overcompensating… do you hate gays? Or do you hate yourself?

Who the h*** are you to come up here with some damn remark like that? Just shut your yap and get lost. You’ve probably never been in the military (no balls), so you have no chance in knowing how this “group” effects morale. You say it’s OK for them? How about the other soldiers? I can honestly tell you that if a soldier is known to be a homo, other soldiers will feel uncomfortable when taking showers with that person around. When the soldiers are standing in line for chow and the sergeant tells them to go “nut to butt”, I see that soldier smiling and the others feeling bad, because of the situation. You’re just here to attack someone and then leave. Believe me, if they start prancing around and doing unnatural things, I can tell you that they would need MP’s around them to keep them from harm. I went to basic training on March 18, 1985. My platoon was on the first floor. The cycle before mine a soldier was killed for being gay. His unit was on the third floor of the same building (Charlie 2 1) and somehow the other recruits found out he was gay. How? I don’t know. They threw him down 3 flights of stairs and threw him down again, killing the 18 year old. An investigation and a courts martial was held, but the 11 recruits that did this to him were found not guilty, due to lack of evidence. The rest of the recruits in their platoon stood by them by saying, “he just fell down the stairs” or “I didn’t see anything.” You libs on this site are all morons! Just think, this happened before DADT, but what do you think will happen now since it has been repealed? I guarantee you haven’t seen anything yet. You people that have bleeding hearts for the gays, need to just pack up and go somewhere else. You all just weakened this country some more. Go spread your lies somewhere else, because we aren’t listening. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Eleven guys murdered a gay guy and you’re proud of that? How cowardly was that? ELEVEN guys ganged up and killed an 18 year old boy and then you have the nerve to talk about God and Country? DO you really think YOUR GOD would be proud of that? You talk about honor? You are an embarrassment to every man who has worn a uniform and died for this country.

BTW Samurai… you want me to shut my yap? I say make me! Bring yourself… bring your 11 buddies… just bring it.

If you read my post, you moron, you would have known that it happened the cycle before I enlisted. I had no part in it. Another thing, who the heck are you two lib, gay loving, baby killing, marists to say who is honorable or not by wearing the uniform? Since you morons never served, you have no hope in understanding what soldiers may go through every single day. I never said I was proud of what happened, just said the thing happened. Curtis and Sheldon are just bleeding hearted fools that are messing up this site, by saying they know certain things, in which you don’t. You two morons have never been in a combat unit, in combat, or have ever been part of the uniformed services. By the way you bellyache about how the gays should be allowed things, you are the disappointments to this country. By repealing this DADT, it will only succeed in making our country weaker. Everything I’ve stated in my previous post is true and cannot be denied. Did you know that if a soldier needs a blood transfusion to save his life, the medics can’t draw blood from a gay soldier? Did you know they can’t do this, due to the soldier possibly carrying the AIDS virus? Did you know that these were written orders from general officers in the Pentegon? If you think I’m wrong, show some patriotism and balls and sign up. Then you’ll have a first hand view of what goes on with them. Sigh, it’s hard to deal with these people in the military as they bring down morale and they don’t promote battle performance. Believe what you want, but I’ve seen it first hand. How atheist of you to talk to someone like that. I guess the only thing that Santa will be giving the both of you this year is either a blow up doll or a dildo. Dragon Slayers! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

where do you come up with this? Insecure in our masculinity? Don’t think so, that is just a homosexual response to further their argument of victimization. Got to come up with better premises for your argument my friend.

samurai,
Merry Christmas to you and sook young. May god Bless you both in the upcomming year!! 114th assault helicopter co. 67N2F!!!

Same to you and yours and have many more. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! Merry Christmas from Sook Young and I. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

2/152 INF BN (MECH)

Dragon slayers!

Merry Christmas to you Teresa.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

MERRY CHRISTMAS to you sook young, and God bless you and your family and prayers always to our military!

He IS, look it up! Is no secret. Now we all have to suffer because WE do not believe nor follow his beliefs….sound familiar????

thanks Murf. Your’e the kind of man that you can go to Hell and back with.
Semper Fie

Same goes for me Gunner. If you don’t mind TOW missiles. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Love em, the more the merrier. I think I can still play a fine tune on an M-60 and I can still pop prarie rats at 600 yds plus.

Murf n Gunner,
God Bless and Merry Christmas!!!! Give Em Hell!!

Merry Christmas MEN, and hopefully a good New year for you and yours

up the hill
airborne

Come on, you know that Marxist liberals are taught that anything they do, any lie they tell, is OK, if it furthers the cause. This person is well trained if you fall for it. Don’t. Yes, it is quite unlikely he is an officer (we haven’t fallen that far morally) but this congressional meddling is likely to be costly. They say we have lost 14,000 to DADT but I suspect we are going to lose at least that many wh refuse to put up with this crap the same as the TSA groping for the illusion of safety. When the first gay in the military is killed for parading his sexual orientation you are going to hear the liberal media raise a roar but they will never accept that their actions and their meddling had anything to do with it. Our country is doomed if we don’t start dealing with things as they are and not as we want them to be.

I agree with you FireFly. Merry Christmas and thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

This sounds like an immature moron named Chris! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Time
just like your name all it takes is just alittle more time and the truth of the matter will show its ugly head.
Subject: Request for Relief from Command due to Personal Moral Conflict with New Homosexual Policy

1. I respectfully request to be relieved of Command of XXX Squadron, XXX Cavalry prior to new policy implementation subsequent to the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” My personal religious beliefs and moral convictions do not permit me to treat homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle, compatible with military service, any more than adultery, illicit drug use, or criminal activity. I believe this lifestyle runs counter to good order and discipline in military units, and I refuse to sacrifice my belief system, protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, in order to fall in line with the command policy that will logically follow. This new policy will undoubtedly include mandatory sensitivity training as well as same-sex partner inclusion in Family Readiness Group activities and integration into the full spectrum of other military benefits, as well as a whole new category of discrimination standards and investigative procedures. I will not, as a commander, put my signature on a training schedule or other document recognizing or legitimizing any of these things that contradict my personal beliefs.

2. I would like to remain in the XXX Army National Guard until I am eligible for retirement (at 20 years and 0 days), which would be in the late summer of 2012, but on grounds of my religious beliefs, I will not attend sensitivity or behavior modification training consequential to this policy change, even if it means disciplinary action. I regret that I cannot continue to serve in the military further, but feel that my efforts would be insincere because my heart will no longer be in it.”

Where do you get 1 million Iraqis killed? I think you need to cite your source with those numbers. Remember, Al Queda has killed many of them with suicide bombers. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Tell us samurai, where have we had a clear win since WWII?

Rob

How about Panama, Grenada, liberation of Iraq from Saddam Hussein, Lybia giving up it’s WMD program without firing a shot, do these count? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

We’ve won many wars, military confrontations, the problem we have is establishing a peace in our image…that takes years and may in fact be impossible.