Why do they hold hands when they have one of their gay parades? The hetrosexual people don’t.

Oh, really? Heterosexual people don’t hold hands in parades? What kind of statement is that? Who cares if people hold hands, as long as they don’t do it while they are supposed to be doing their job professionally.

In what situation are male and female soldiers bunking together? I was in the military, where was all of this?

crystal:

Karolyn has never been in the military and knows absolutely nothing about military life. At best she’s watched a few movies. So most of what she says about the military is based solely on what she believes it must be like – including the dadt. She simply cannot understand that the military is NOTHING like civilan life and has a totally different set of ideals and thought.

You are right 45. However, I have known soldiers and also have heard interviews with soldiers. I know what kind of mentality can exist. But – it doesn’t have to. That’s the point.

Many civilians (i.e., Karolyn), believe the movie “Stripes” is a true depiction of military life.

Shucks 45… I’d like to see our military get excessively christian bigots out for threatening gays or happy when they die.

All to get into your god’s version of heaven. What a hateful religion you demonstrate along with samurai and sook.

Rob

They are disciplined to work together. But to work together, they have to be trusted. Most gays in the military are the kind that makes DADT meaningless – they have no interest in talking about sex or making passes. It is the vocal gays who consider the military as a sex club who are the problem. See my answer to you further above here.

No…they only have to think of it ONCE..they only have to make ONE pass at another man in the unit or fighting along side them to cause tention…..DONT YOU THINK THAT WILL CAUSE PROBLEMS!!!!!!!! That is the difference!

I respect our armed forces enough to know that, as a whole, they are disciplined, professional, and honorable. Too bad you have a much lower opinion of them.

Doc, I do like debating w/you at times but not on this for I loose my anger too much. I pray for strength in order to be able to only talk rationally quite honestly. First let me remark that you of all should know I have more respect for the military than you do in your lil pinky in which all you seem to do is speak of gay rights NOT for military rights so please spare me your snide remarks please. This is nothing to do with our armed forces except to weaken our forces and for our congress to play their lil political games while people like you sit back in your seats and throw out stupid remarks about gay rights.

Teresa,
You must think I have one HUGE pinky because I have tremendous respect for our armed forces.
I am not speaking for “gay rights”, I don’t even like that term. I am speaking for the strength and integrity of our armed forces. Repealing DADT is essential to improve our already great military. DADT is a bad rule that keeps our soldiers from complete integrity.
As for politics, in the hearings last week or two weeks ago I heard the heads of the service branches agree that the courts will impose the repeal on them and that is the last thing they need to deal with. All of the leaders want to implement the policy of openly serving homosexuals on their own terms. I am in total agreement with them.

Are you kidding me? How many men do you know? They always have sex on the brain. It’s programmed into their genetic material. The survival of the species. Your comments on this issue and your defense of a degenerate behavior really show your ignorance of the issue presented here. And for you to not be able to see another’s opinion and objectively look at it is telling about your personality.

It’s not programmed into their genetic material. It’s programmed by society. In matriarchal societies, it is not the case.

Karolyn,

BS, BS, BS!!! I’m a male (and significantly older, having already served 28 years in the military) and it’s on my mind frequently. And thankfully I’m married to a wonderful woman and we engage as frequently as we can. I have a 23 year old son that is a SGT (11B) and am pretty sure that like most young men, he only thinks about sex when he breaths.

Programming.

Men think about sex every 20 minutes or so. Women are the “governor” in a “relationship”. Two men together…constant sex. It’s a fact.

Oh, puhleeeze! My gay friends were not like that at all; and I’ve know quite a few gay couples. If you saw them together, you might not even know they were couples except that they acted like old married couples.

“Women are the “governor” in a “relationship”. Two men together…constant sex. It’s a fact.”

WeLL Johnson, It’s true they both have a Johnson. But it’s also true, one of them is a woman trapped in a mans body.

Now how that might change things, the devil if I know?

It’s kinda hard to get your mind around I know.

I’ve had enough of this thread ~ I don’t allow my mind to go just anywhere and I’ve indulged this topic enough. ~

Just understand, these people are victims of nature and then society and like all other people, you can find both good and bad. The few that I know are well above the average in IQ and maturity. But I don’t know enough to comment above that.

Hi Bob,

You posted: “The few that I know are well above the average in IQ and maturity.”

Mensa (us.mensa.org) has a very large gay, lesbian, transgender, transsexual SIG (Special Interest Group).

Check it out. Smart folks like to hang out with smart folks. It’s kinda like watching a bunch of bigots flocking together.

Rob

Well, eddie, I’m glad you aren’t worried about the gays. It says a lot about you. Perhaps some of what you don’t intend it to say.

I’m concerned for the military performing its duties. With over 25% of the military saying that they cannot trust a gay soldier to defend them, then that gay soldier either won’t be defended in turn or they will get out. And we don’t have enough soldiers now.

I’ve heard several people insist that the Dems want to re-institute draft – and I’ve heard Dem politicians say the same thing. Many believe that this repeal is made to do just that. Too many soldiers quit and when they do, they start the draft to make up for it. Perhaps you will be one to be called.

In any case, there WILL be some of the problems I’ve mentioned. Certainly not all gays will be this way; in fact, many won’t be any different than they are now, putting the job before their sexual desires. The problem is that many vocal gays want to get in because they consider the military to be a giant sex club with people who can’t get away from them. Even they know that many of those soldiers will ignore them. What they want is simply a way to proposition others without getting into trouble for it while making the military guard them from any attack by others.

“The problem is that many vocal gays want to get in because they consider the military to be a giant sex club with people who can’t get away from them. Even they know that many of those soldiers will ignore them. ”

What a grisly thought!

I hope you are wrong! There would be some killing going on.

Army life was tough enough as it is.

When I was in training, we had a few race riots, but of course no one ever heard about them. How could you know? There was no “report” no “news team” no writer, no police. Some of the blacks were ganging up against the whites. Some 15 or so with 5 leaders. It got to where no one could move about alone or even groups of three.

It started with busting in chow lines to laying in wait and ambushing with overwhelming odds, taken money or whatever, putting people in the hospital, beat up bad. This went on for several weeks and then early one dark morning it came to an end. ~ Godfather style as everyone lay sleeping in their bunks. It was ended in 15 minutes. It was sicking, it was necessary, it was done.

The Army life was never a safe life. I hate the thought of anyone having to live through what I did.

To add macho gays to the equation gives me chills and my blood runs cold.

Oorah! Yes ut was unfortunate that such sanctions as “Blanket Parties” were needed , but they are very effective to a disciplined squad.

Karolyn, do you find humor in this? Have you or your family served? Do you not see that this is nothing but a political move and nothing more….congress does not care about what the military members really think they only are doing this for THEIR personal reasons and gains and nothing more. If they were really concerned about our military don’t you think the militarys votes would have been the first counted, or they would have gotten their raises or the military would be told truths, or the military would be treated better???? No Karolyn this is nothing but mere politics and you and others alike only see what you choose and the Military is the one who suffers, the very ones who are there fighting for us, and the very ones paying the ultimite price in this lil political game.

The statement was just so ridiculous, I couldn’t help it!

There’s something seriously wrong with you.

I don’t claim to be perfect, but at least I have an open mind.

Most people who claim to have an open mind usually can’t handle opposition or difference of an opinion.

Yeah, I noticed that about you Crystal.

Who says they will? If they don’t, they will have run off a lot of otherwise good soldiers and then won’t act to take their places. If they do fight, then they won’t have the other soldiers there to back them up.

Homosexuals have been serving in our armed forces since we have had armed forces. They fight and they follow orders as well as any soldier.

Right. And they are there in the military because they want to serve as soldiers. But … what about the ones who want to serve so they can be around all those buff soldiers? The ones who want to serve openly so they can proposition all those hunks?

Well then, 45, if they break the rules, they get in trouble, right?

Depends on what they’re being told to do. “Bend over” would be happily obeyed.

Why would you want the women to be treated the same?

Hey 45, how the heck are you?

See if you can rent the movie version of “Starship Troopers” and see how men and women can live and fight together. I know, I know, you are going to call it fiction. That’s what I think about your bible but at least I’ve taken the time to read it. Why don’t you see another point of view?

Rob

That’s such an idiotic statement. Separating sexes in certain situations is normal, natural, and correct.

Did you ever stop to think that it could be different? No, you never did. You don’t look at things from a wider scope. You can’t. Your ideology won’t let you.

No, but common sense does.

Bruce D.
what you say is true but i can tell you who will win all the ansure,s are in the greatest book ever wrote,and it starts with,IN THE BEGINNING,AND ENDS WITH BE READY TO DIE FOR NO MAN SHELL ENTER UNTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN LEST HE BE BORN AGIN

AMEN!

Like I said before, I come from a very long line of military background and I know for a fact that once you break the mentality of your unit then you have no unit to depend upon, we are in war times and you HAVE to be able to trust EVERY single person next to you. You do not have to go to bed every single night worrying about the pressures of walking on your tippy toes on how to react around someone next to you if they are exposing their open sexual desires especially if they are gay. How do you really think it will effect our soldiers at war when open gays are fighting side by side on the line and these trained soldiers (openly gay) are on either side of YOU and your unit depended upon their split decision, (save the unit or their lover you have less than a second to decide)….you don’t think that for one split second that you would not second question their actions??? There will be a lot of split second decisions and you can not afford ANY of it…This is war and not a game, you can not afford to be playing with lives to be politically correct.

I vote for the unit.

Teresa, As I posted below, there are many soldiers coming out with stories of having served with gays with no problems whatsoever. There are problems with straights who are in the majority, so what’s the problem?

Bruce – It’s not hatred for Christians; it’s hatred for the holier-than-thou, in-your-face WE KNOW attitude of Christians. Did you ever stop to think that YOU COULD BE WRONG? Ask me the same question, and I will say “yes.” There’s the difference. Christians have tunnel vision. when I was a Christian, I was afraid to read certain things because my friend, who was a devote converted Catholic, would scare me into thinking I would be damned if I read it. God gave us free will so that we could think for ourselves, so why would he damn us for doing it?

Maybe because His Son died to gives the opportunity to repent?

So you believe, and that’s fine for you.

If they are homosexual, how do they have morals? The very fact that one is homosexual is anti-moral.

And if they are deliberately sinning as defined by the Bible, then I can hardly see how they could be truly Christian either. Somehow I don’t believe the argument that “God has my soul but my body belongs to me” will go over well when they die.

If you must keep pointing to the Bible, read some of the other translations and interpretations. Translating Greek to English can be very tricky, and words get used differently by different translators. That alone can change whole sections of the Bible. Have you ever been curious to see what other translators have to say, or are you afraid that they are of the devil?

To be different is not a sin. The sexual act between two men or two women IS an abomination in the eye’s of God.

My goodness, Alex. I hadn’t realized anyone here was on a first-name basis with God. Tell me, does he call you on the telephone to tell you these things or does he drop by to visit?

LOL.

Alex
time for your meds your getting delusional,to think god is laughing,he finds vary little to be happy about,with this country or the world as a whole,god gave man kind the greatest gift of all FREE WILL to know right from wrong,to chose are own path,homosex serve no perpose but for lust of the flesh,when two men or two woman can have a child,then i will say it OK,GOD MADE ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE

Exactamundo

The Obamacare health care bill surpasses both the Bible and the Quran in quantity of text and of your definition of fantasy. It was definitely written by silly men with the ultimate purpose of gaining excessive power. The IRS Code also fits into this category.

Doc. I have read my Bible (capitalize) regularly. And there are several passages about it. If you haven’t found it, you are being careful to not look. Where do you believe the name “sodomize” comes from?

Yes, it does. Maybe you should read a Bible (really read one), then you’ll have an argument to stand on.

Please tell me what passage uses the word “queers”.

Oh, I see. If it doesn’t use a modern work for homosexuals, then obviously it is wrong.

Boy, are you really reaching for that one!!! Did you dislocate your arm?

It all depends on what the definition of “is”, is. Liberals, lol.

Well, I don’t know about you but here in Texas we are doing a fair job of these things – except the wearing of animal furs. Frankly, I haven’t found that in my Bible yet. Can you tell me where it is forbidden?

You should read more of Lavaticus. BTW, don’t eat any cheesburgers either.

Rob

How about the sabbath being from friday sunset to saturday sunset. Man does not abide by this either.

Your point being …?

Most of the Christian world is not taking the 7th day off as a day of rest – they choose to take the first day off since that was the first day of the week when Christ rose from the dead. So it is obvious that you know very little at the most about Christianity.

Hi Marty,

Any “biblical” aruments to those of us who aren’t “christian” of any sort have ZERO meaning.

Rob

Hi Marty,

Any “biblical” aruments to those of us who aren’t “christian” of any sort have ZERO meaning.

Rob

And I served with gays and there was a problem. So … tell me, why would you believe that there will be no problems based on what one person tells you and not pay any attention to others who say there is a problem??

People have problems with people!!! It doesn’t matter if their gay or straight. If people in the military are professional and MATURE and secure in their own sexuality, there should be no problems. Trouble is our society has created this lack of love and respect, so everybody’s a big baby, and that includes unprofessional gays.

…and I served with homosexuals and their were big problems with it.

Sounds like you were in a unit that had a breakdown in military conduct and discipline.

It sure did – on the gay side.

Not at all, problems were solved with blanket parties.

Perhaps less of a problem when it’s “don’t tell” than when it’s
“WE WILL TELL, NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT??”

Doc:

Have you ever been in the military? I seriously doubt it. Those of us who have are against this because we can see the writing on the wall. Well trained, disciplined are excellent for defeating an enemy. But you tear that all apart when you introduce problems. And this is certainly a problem for at least 25% of the military. Why cause the problem when only a few hundred gay people are affected by it?

There is only a problem when there is a breakdown in discipline and professionalism. I know our soldiers are far better than any other nation’s military. Openly homosexual soldiers are integrated in other country’s military with no irregular problems. Our forces have been doing this and will continue to incorporate homosexuals because we have the best in the world. DADT can only detract from the integrity of our fighting men and women.

Site your study on other nations so we can all look at your proof.

Not exactly a study but a list at:
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Sexual_orientation_and_military_service

Crystal,
The list I provided above shows that other countries have done accepted homosexuals openly along with heterosexuals in their fighting forces. I know that we can accomplish this and do it better than any one of these countries.

Doc:

You just answered by question. You have never been in the military and know absolutely squat about it. You are guessing and nothing more. Please reserve your comments for something you know a little about.

I have no sources for this statement, but heard somewhere that every civilization that embraced homosexuallity has fallen. Maybe someone else has the facts?

did you ever think that just maybe those other countries military aren’t the top of the heap because they have queers in the military??

did you ever think that just maybe those other countries military aren’t the top of the heap because they have queers in the military?

Crystal – One of the soldiers who called in on the radio today was an MP and had contact with many soldiers in Afhganistan from Austrailia and other countries who indicated they had no problem in their armies with gays, and there were no restrictions on them.

Caliber; 30,000 gays were discharged from the military in the last 15 years because someone found out. That is only the ones that were known. So it does matter in how you discriminate against others.

Don’t know where you get your information from but polls show an estimated 25% of the military will not reenlist with this new practice in place and that includes about 40% of the officer corps.

The ‘majority’ you heard about favoring or not very opposed consist mostly of desk jockeys, not the fighting men who overwhelmingly reject it.

What is astonishing is that so many must adjust to a tiny percentage (less than 3%) who subscribe to this learned sexual misbehavior. It’s a mental and moral sickness that should not be encouraged.

What adjustment? I’m sure there are numerous gays serving who have been accepted by their fellow soldiers, whether or not they are known to be gay or not. If a man is a real man in every sense of the word and happy in his masulinity, he should not be bothered by gays.

Karolyn:

Being around a gay person is not a problem … as long as he concentrates on his job. And most do. Those are not the ones we don’t want around. To tell the truth DADT doesn’t apply to them because they do work and don’t talk about sex. It is the ones who don’t keep quiet that are the problem.

Tell me, what would you do it everytime you went out someone showed up to proposition you and would then try to argue with you when you told them no? Further, you worked at the same place he did and when you two were required to work together he spent all his time trying to proposition you? You go to your boss about him and he insists in turn that he isn’t doing anything – you are the one who is causing the problem by insisting he’s a different race or gay and you don’t want him around. Further, he insists that he gets any promotion and pay raise because he’s been discriminated against in the past. He ends up as your boss – and then starts hinting that you’d better go out with (and end up in bed with him) or you’ll never get a promotion or a pay raise again?

That is exactly what the more vocal gays want. And they want it in the military.

How do you know 45? I would think that any gays entering the military would have the right mindset about doing their jobs to the best of their ability, especially now. Do you really think that they want to be in the military just to prove a point? That they would subject themselves to being killed just to be around straight men? I think not. They are and can be just as disciplined as any straight man.

Karolyn:

Most gays in the army ARE good. But there are many who consider the military as a sex club – just as there are many women who join for that reason. (Did you know that on a naval ship sent to the mid-East all but about 5-6 women got pregnant on the way over so they wouldn’t have to be in combat?) We have a man where I work who was sent over. He is First Sergeant to his company – which basically means he is the personnel manager. Two weeks after he went to train for the mission, two women in his company were arrested for mooning the Fort Commander. Their defense? They thought they were mooning the pass bus.

On the woman’s side, there are a LOT of problems even though the women normally are not given any combat role – for that very reason. And now you want to introduce men who are gay to the same thing? Straight men may accept women who act this way but another man is another matter. I just don’t want to get any killed!

When were you ever a man? You do not have the right to tell heterosexual men how to be men. This mentality of yours is the problem many of the heterosexual men had to deal with from lesbians in the military. The level of disrespect from one white lesbian who constantly called Black Men Marines “Ni_ _ ers” created a world of problems. She sounded just like you. I am so glad she was put out of the military. I don’t care how well she may have done her job. She was a major problem.

Caliber; With your way of thinking I guess we ought to abolish the Catholic Church. Since women can’t serve as priests and the men are questionable pedophiles why have any Catholics at all.In other words should the good priests leave the priesthood because of a few who didn’t fit in. There are gay ministers in other faiths also but they don’t go around molesting anyone. The military has for centuries “hired” thugs,rapists,murderers and a wide assortment of people. I bet the majority of those types were and are heterosexual.

45 -When it comes to sexual harassment, there is a chain of command to go to, same as in an office. They screw around, they get kicked out – simple!

A friend noted that her son (a major) wasn’t going to re-enlist now. The reason? He expects problems to better than double. He simply don’t want to deal with them. So he is giving up his 20 year retirment (even though he only has a few more years to go) simply to avoid it. And a lot of others are in the same position.

Sounds like he is serving in a unit with little discipline and professionalism.

Oh, then you are saying that only discipline and professionalism exist in those who either are gay or support gay rights over the rights of others. You must be quite disciplined and professional then.

Alex:

Really? As someone else said, where do you get your info?

The army, the marine, and the air force generals on the military General Staff are all against it. Only the naval admiral and the Chief of Staff stated that they believe the military can work around the problem. Notice that even they state that they had to “work around the problem”. Why even bother to create a problem if you don’t have to?

That is not what I heard in the hearings.

You should have paid more attention to what the generals were publically saying instead of paying attention to just the hearings.

Here’s what a real problem looks like. Many homosexual intelligence people who were fluent in Arabic and other languages of the middle east were released. This hurt us a great deal in intelligence gathering and understanding intercepts.

Repealing DADT is only a problem in your mind. When Truman desegregated the armed forces, it was done without all the whining we are seeing today.

The fact is, homosexuals are ALREADY completely integrated in the military.

Rusticus,

If you were even around when Truman integrated the Armed Forces that would make you at least 62 (if born in 1948). There were tremendous problems with integration and it took the majority of the Armed Forces about 30 years to fully adjust to things. TF (Task Force) Smith during the start of the Korean War was one of the disasters of integration.

Integration was the right thing to do, but don’t act like everybody got together and sang campfire songs together. The road was long and arduous and only overcome by great leadership. The military will overcome this hurdle also, but the timing is horrible (during the conduct of 2 wars) and Congress would never accede to the rules they’ll force the military to follow.

There’s a huge difference between Black men being drafted and homosexuals volunteering.

Correct Chrystal… Gays WANT to defend the America they love. They want the same opportunities for GI Bill, the same respect heterosexuals get for putting their lives on the line, and for folks to know that they are just as tough as bigots.

Rob

Where will you be when God decides that He has had enough of this abomination, just like happened in Sodom & Gommorah.

Read some of the various translations of Sodom and Gomorrah. The men who wanted to rape the angels were not gay, but were all the men of the city who wanted to overpower the strangers. Rape is an act of power, not sex. Also, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed (supposedly) due to idolatry, which was a far worse abomination than anything else. Of course, the Bible could just be a book of mythology written to guide man.

If rape is an act of power, then we are being raped real good by the Democrats and the Obamacrats, because to them, power is the ultimate climax.

And you really believe that? Despite what it says?

Good points Karolyn.

That accounting is found in old testament Jewish folk lore. Stories that was handed down by camp fire lights for centuries to teach.

And still today , it’s with us. There are many such stories and all rooted into an event that may or may not have happened exactly the way described. There is little doubt Sodom and Gomorrah was a “tough” neighborhood. As I remember off hand, the bible speaks of general “wickedness”.

I don’t remember the gender of the angles as being stated. They could have been men or women. I do remember Lot pleading with the townsmen to let the strangers be! Leave them alone, to take one of his daughters instead!

Now if that’s True! LOT was a sorry piece of $hit in his own right.

So ooo oh! I don’t like this story and being the buffet Christan I am, I don’t place a lot on it’s telling, elect to blow it off for what it is. An old Jewish story that keep the faithful in line with fear of a vengeful, jealous god. A god that demanded sacrifice and atonement.

You think they’re in Heaven? Let’s all just go to Heaven for whatever. I’m sure we’re not on this earth for any particular reason.
Right??

45 – Why wouldn’t I believe that?

B. Johnson – Our only reason for being here is to love and help one another. We sure have done a bang-up job of that huh?

Karolyn:

You are right; we are all God’s children and he loves us just the same.

However, He also said that the majority of us will be sent to H3ll anyway. He gives us free choice in what we do. If we don’t follow the teachings of the Bible, we are headed there – even if He does love us. One of those teachings is to give up sin and not do it again. And the Bible plainly says that this is a sin in several places – both Old Testiment and New.

I’m sure He loves Satan for that matter. But it didn’t save Satan either, did it.

Accusing people of being homosexual because they disagree with you is a tired and boring argument, which is never backed up with any knowledge or fact. Get use to people disagreeing with you.

I think it is wishfull thinking by the gays.

Karolyn, Christians abhor gayness because God made it a capital offense. As for God treating everyone equally, Romans 9:13 reads: “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.” (See Mal. 2:2-3.) Esau was Jacob’s twin brother.

Robert, May be, but He also want ‘em dead.

Awww James, there you go again. Telling folks your god wants gays dead. Is that your excuse when you actually kill some?

I can tell you it won’t work. The folks who killed OBGYNs for helping women are in jail.

Rob

Robert, Prior to 2003, when the Supreme Court (Lawrence v. Texas) held that men have the right to have sex with other men, all States had considered such acts as criminal offenses, but none of them invoked the death penalty. If an individual were to enforce God’s law, now, it would be murder. So, now, there is nothing for homosexuals to worry about. When Christ returns that will change.

You religious Repubs are always ranting about freedom and liberty,and then you want to restrict those freedoms you don’t approve of. You can’t have it both ways…

How christian of you to invoke death for another human being. Kinda puts “right to life” in the dumper.

Rob

Robert, Being a Christian means adhering to God’s Laws.

No, being a Christian means following the teachings of Jesus. You want to live by the old testament then you can join the Jewish religion. The old testament is full of contradictions that have nothing at all to do w/ the words of Jesus.

Denniso, Read Matthew 5:17-19. Jesus kept that law, perfectly, and being sinless He could sacrifice His life for ours, but that didn’t end the law’s effect. Even John, the apostle Jesus loved, said sins that were capital offenses should not be forgiven (1 John 5:16).

James, you can find many other things to live by in the Bible that you wouldn’t care for if you’re going to read it literally. It’s interesting that the literalists,like you apparently,pick and choose which parts of the old testament to believe strictly,and ignore those that they don’t care for. I’ve been through this sort of thing w/ fundamentalists many times before and it’s pointless because you aren’t consistent in your interpretation,yet you want to force others to live by those parts of the Bible you approve of.

How many (documentation please)?

If there is even one, that is one too many.

Right, 45, if you say so (ROFL)

The FACT is that bigots are far worse in an America of equality than a gay.

Rob

Just as there will be red neck ultra right wing conservatives who just can keep their hate to themselves.

Go skin―heads, show yourselves and your ignorance so we know who not to stand in front of. YOU can’t be trusted not to hurt others ON YOUR OWN SIDE. You are the ones who should be tossed out of the military. Maybe even America because you just don’t seem to get the concept of freedom.

Rob

You may get some heat but you’re still right.

I guess you don’t know any gays. You should know what you’re talking about before opening your filthy mouth. One of my best friends is a conservative republican gay man. He is very masculine, not overtly gay, is not a pedophile and was in a monogamous relationship for 20 years until his partner died. I’ve known many more like him, as well as have had lesbian friends who were more true blue than any hetero women I’ve known. You speak of stereotypes. You don’t know crap!

And what did his partner die of? Gays live 20 years less on average so they are trying to fix our Social Security and Medicare shortfalls. Thanks.

From B. Johnson: ” or by molesting young children before they’ve had a chance to find their natural heterosexuallity. (I know I’ll get some heat on that one! lol.)”

Correct. You get heat for lying. Pedophelia is completely different from being gay. Just ask one of those rotton priests who abuse kids.

Rob

BJ, I agree. When the U.S. Supreme Court, in Lawrence v. Texas (2003), held that homosexuals have a ‘right’ to violate Leviticus 20:13, they slapped God in the face. I’m sure, before this is over, we will learn why the Most High wanted them removed.

From Janes: “Leviticus 20:13, they slapped God in the face”

Then you’re going to have to dump McDonalds and all the other establishments selling cheesburgers.

But sadly you don’t appear to gripe or even understand the meaning of Leviticus.

Oh well, it’s only an excuse to bully other Americans anyhow.

BTW, I don’t believe in your god or Leviticus. I’d punch ‘em as you suggest but he hasn’t been seen lately. Maybe 2,000 years lately…

Rob

Rob

Robert, Leviticus 20:13 simply means what it says: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” What’s not to understand?

Old testament garbage that agrees perfectly w/ the fanatic Muslim view. What a great side for you to be on.

Denniso, Concerning the Old Testament garbage, Jesus said: “think not that I am come to destroy the law…For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called he least in the kingdom of heaven: but whsoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

James, verily I say onto you that the old testament is outdated and was 2000 yrs ago. Most of the ten commandments were around for thousands of yrs before the bible was ever dreamed of and were not a creation of your god or the Jews god.

Denniso, The commandments were certainly around before they were written about in the Oldj Testament, but that doesn’t change what Jesus said about them.

No, it means they weren’t ordained or written by God. They developed over millenia from various groups and tribes and people who found the need to work together and restrict anti social behavior that was/is detrimental to the group. Rules for society evolved from a shared commitment to the group for it’s survival.

Awwww B. Johnson there you go letting a prize wopper go or you are incredibly ignorant. You claim: “or by molesting young children before they’ve had a chance to find their natural heterosexuallity.”

Absolutely false.

BTW, how do you explain all those priests who raped kids? Then the bishops, and maybe even the pope himself, played their own don’t tell game.

Further, kids don’t turn gay from rape.

Rob

Ofmil, I’m pretty sure the application for service will contain the question: Are you a homosexual? (Now that DADT has been repealed, they can now ask that.) If a homosexual applicant answers ‘No,’ and it’s later discovered he is homosexual, he could be prosecuted for perjury. Most applications requesting pertinent personal information are signed and attested to under the penalty of perjury. For example, under penalty of perjury, the application to vote asks: Have you ever been convicted of a felony?

James,
More than likely the application will contain multiple choice questions, for example it may read;
Place a check mark in the box beside the phrase or word that best describes your sexual orientation.

Hetrosexual ( ) Fruitcake ( )

And then there is the thought of “christian nut cake.”

Rob

Let’s see. He was an underwear model, a nude model. How would he vote on DADT?

You have been listening to to much of Obaba”s propaganda ,when those other that the government took the surveys to the GI’s and amore diverse group than dems they came up wth most of those in the military were about 72% against as with the public about 58% against so when you get actual straight figures you can see just how this half breed son of a white trash communist whore twist the truth just so he can pay back the progressives and queers back for buying him in

With statistics, it depends on who’s doing the poll, what their asking, and what there slant is. I had heard one poll results showing a majority of Americans were for repeal. On the show i listened to today, they said the majority of military were against…BUT, that was from those that mailed the survey in; so, in conclusion, you really can’t trust stats.

While it is true that our Military is under civilian control (i.e Pres. Obama as Commander-in-Chief, Gates as Sec. of Defense, etc.) it is still the man (or woman, in some cases) in uniform that actually do the grunt work.
DADT was working just fine, even though I served many years prior to its inception.
Liberals and gay-advocy groups have been working through many avenues to gain their acceptance into the American mainstream, including the Govenrment school system by having gay spokespeople teaching classes to K-12 children about how wonderful it is to be gay.
I think it would also be wonderful if Obama put on a uniform, went through UCMC boot camp and was assigned to a recon unit in Afganistan for a year or so, especially with his now OK-gay buddies in the same fox-hole. Who knows… he may like it.
As for me, I would prefer that EVERYONE, gay or straight, keep their perferences to the bedroom where it belongs.

In a well trained, disciplined, and professional unit of soldiers, sexual preference (stated or not) is not an issue.

Yes it is.

THAT’S the key word – PROFESSIONAL.

The Libertarians in Taxachusetts knew that Scott Brown was a 50%er who would get DC disease and end up voting correctly even less than 50% of the time. That’s why we put Joe Kennedy (the good Joe Kennedy, not the garbage bag druggie Joe Kennedy from the druggie family) on the Ballot, so that voters would have a good candidate to vote for. We did know that there was little chance of him winning because the prostitute press would ignore or minimalize him. But at least the voters had a good choice.

Rome didn’t start out as a homosexual nation, it began with many small villages pulling themselves together collectively. Let’s get that straight to start off with. When Rome did become accepting of homosexuality, troubles for others began. Rome decided that the Jews of Israel weren’t worshipping them enough and they needed to get rid of their God and bow down to Rome. The Jews resisted on several occasions, but eventually could not hold onto their land (Israel) against the Roman Empire who then went on to throw the Jews out of Israel. Rome also had a serious problem with Christians and found sport in feeding Christians to the lions in the Coliseum regardless of whether they were an adult or a child. Rome’s homosexuals had the same problems with anyone who believed in God, just like many homosexuals in the United States have the same problems with God. History is just repeating itself.

The fall of the Roman Empire was mainly due to becoming too large to govern. On several sides of it’s borders they were being attacked. Rome had a really good military, but eventually the military turned on Rome’s government. This is what we call a mutiny. Rome had problems with the Visigoths who in turn had problems with the Huns. When the Huns pushed the Visigoths further into Roman territory, it produced more conflicts with the Romans.

You can read all about the Fall of the Roman Empire by Gibbon I and II.

But that means reading a really long book about history! You can’t expect these instant experts to do that!

Crystal; Since we have military personnel in almost every country in the world that would make us the new Roman Empire. With our expansionism and empire building that would be your comparison. We use to be that country that helped others (and we still do)but we abused that honor with all our false wars.

eddie47d,

Actually Crystal got it almost 100% correct.

As for having military personnel deployed throughout the world, talk to the Congress about that. The military does what they are directed to by the President and Congress, they don’t invent this stuff on their own, nor often are they allowed to prosecute wars like they want.

As for the issue of DADT, it worked. In most units, people knew who were the gays and lesbians and as long as they didn’t bring it to the workplace, nobody cared. Changes will have to be made to the UCMJ to allow their “conduct”. Glad to be retired after 28 years, so I don’t have to deal with this nonsense.

And for the guy who claimed 65-70% of the nation wanted this change, I can tell you that the majority of those that I knew in uniform, didn’t care for the change and preferred the DADT policy. Hopefully this won’t cost us a large number of people leaving service so that we can accomodate a group that is no more than 5% of those that serve.

Eddie, I just shortened Gibbon (really short). You’d have to read it for yourself.

How christian of you Jukebox.

Rob

there you go beating the Christian drum again against everyone who disagrees with you; you Godless twit. Some of us are old Testament warriors.

Looks to me like another christian supporting a “christian” death wish for others. Thanks for such a fine example gunner.

Rob

You are growing old and tiring.

Your mom!!!

DADT was a way to ensure homosexuals remain discreet. There is nothing worst than being in the shower room at a health spa with those who are not. That being said homosexuality has become more and more acceptable in society as a whole. Hollywood, those in the Arts, and liberal democrats created a strong push in their favor. I believe it was only a matter of time before it was repealed as it was presented as a human rights issue effectively.

Awww Bruuce, you talk like a tough guy. What are you afraid of? If a woman saw you wouldn’t you be proud?

Scared to be seen in a shower. What a lame excuse to deny honesty and respect for another human being.

Rob

Rob says: “Scared to be seen in a shower. What a lame excuse to deny honesty and respect for another human being.”
Okay if you are looking for honesty it is difficult for me to respect a man who sticks his dic_ up another mans a_ _.

People don’t want to be bothered by you Rob. Your lack of respect for heterosexuals comes out in every comment you make. Your type is the reason why these problems exist in the first place.

I’m not gay. I simply respect the rights of ALL Americans.

I’ll bet you still claim to be christian.

Rob

Robert Smith says: “I’m not gay. I simply respect the rights of ALL Americans. I’ll bet you still claim to be Christian.”

The Constitution says Congress shall pass ‘NO’ law with respect to religion. That we have freedom ‘OF’ religion. Do you respect the right of Christians to pray in public schools and on government property. Are you someone who respects freedom ‘OF’ religion or are you someone who does not respect other peoples rights and wants freedom ‘FROM’ religion. How about the right to freely associate and only rent an apartment to those you want to associate with as a landlord. It is not likely you respect the rights of all Americans as most on the left do not. Just the ones you are in agreement with such as homosexuality.

Hey Bruce, you can quit lying about what I think anytime.

You ask: “Do you respect the right of Christians to pray in public schools and on government property.”

Certainly. You can prey anywhere you want as long as it doesn’t bother anyone else. Then you impact upon THEIR rights. I’m quite sure that your god can hear your thoughts if he is as all mighty as you claim.

“Are you someone who respects freedom ‘OF’ religion or are you someone who does not respect other peoples rights and wants freedom ‘FROM’ religion.”

I don’t want anyone imposing their religion upon another, even if your god is screaming for you to punch your ticket into his heaven by recruiting me. IOW, leave me alone and I won’t bug you.

“How about the right to freely associate and only rent an apartment to those you want to associate with as a landlord.”

If you are renting to the public you must rent to whoever is qualified in a non-discriminary way. If you are renting to a particular religious, military, or society as a group that would be permitted. So, there are such things as retirement communities, etc. Only students from a particular school can rent a particular dorm.

But, if you are just a bigoted hateful land lord you are out of luck in America.

Rob

Once again we find supposed Christians breaking two of their own rules…judge not lest you be judged. Let he who is w/o sin cast the first stone. Now why,if Christians claim to follow and love Jesus so much and so literally,do they openly and shamelessly violate what their ‘savior’ preached? I wonder if Bruce knows that everything that gays may do in their sex life is done by many heterosexual couples? Everything..

As for DADT I feel that there should equal rights for all. If Gays have the right to be open in the military then I feel that the Christian Pastors and Priests should be able to hold their services and use the name of the Lord when doing so and that is not the case lately ! If a Chaplin can’t pray for the soldiers, before they go into battle, in the name of Jesus, then what is this world coming too? Who ever heard of a Chaplin not being able to invoke the name of God? Freedom for gays should also mean freedom for Chaplins !
I’m just saying !

Denniso,

The difference between gay sex and straight sex is the partner with whom you are having sex ! So they are not doing the same thing ! Read your bible again ! Old testament please !

There are many things in the old testament that no one today lives by,you as well. But the most fundamental thing is that the bible is not,nor ever was,the law of the land. If you want to belong to a church that preaches against gays,so be it. That’s up to you. But it is not up to christians or muslims to tell our country how to live. That is up to oue laws and the constitution,which if you notice,has nothing to say on the issue of gays. Keep your bible in your home or church. Don’t you wonder how it is that you are on the same side as fundamentalist muslims on the issue of gays? Think about it.

Again you are wrong. In most units the gays say nothing and no one knows – or cares. So you are simply guessing. The straights don’t have some system that identify them to other straights as gays do – and could care less as long as the others leave him alone. Just avoid talking about something you know nothing about. Then people won’t be as apt to laugh at you or ignore what you are saying.

Hey 45 check this out! Here’s what you said: “Just avoid talking about something you know nothing about. Then people won’t be as apt to laugh at you or ignore what you are saying.”

With all the hate you emit it’s clear you know nothing about the love of christanity is supposed to offer. IOW, you are using your corrupted interpritation of the bible to beat other people over the head.

Maybe people won’t be as apt to laugh at you or ignor you in what you are saying. Oops, I forgot there are other hateful christians out there you might inspire.

Rob

It was working, but since you’ve never served you don’t know.

Tell us about your service…

Oh that’s right, you were scared of lesbians.

Rob

Crystal; Sure did serve and where do you think recruits come from – that would be civilian life. So stop making more false assumptions.

chrystal has still said she feared lesbians. My guess is in Blanchard Barrics but we haven’t gotten any details.

Why should she be believed?

Rob

Robert Smith,
Sounds to me as though you fear women, or is it that you hate them. DiffiCULT to tell which/witch from your post. Has the lustful appeal of choking the chicken worn thin, and has the resulting frustration externalized itself as disdain for normal people (hetros)? Is this the reason you snipe at women? Alas the trials and tribulations of the lonely left on their one way journey to becoming food for worms with one brief respite at the wayside stop of insanity.

Robert Smith – per your “why should she be believed” – why should you be believed or considered?

Hey Crystal,

If you want to see the true consequences of permitting this social pathology to succeed then check this website out, and tell me then this
is a positive benefit for the military; – society as well. Tell your friends about the website.

http://www.massresistance.org/

Thanks a lot Bill, I passed it on.

Amen!

I take it you have never been the military or maby you are gay to,I have spent 61/2 yrs three in combat .I was a grunt ,a medic and a sniper amoung just a few of my MOS’s .As a grunt I have been i close proxemity to guy’s that got it and I was covered in their blood,guts and brain matter that mingeled with mine when I got hit as a medic I was always covered in somebody’s blood now Iwas one of thse that was lucky enough not to get aids because we kept the queer’s out but now our military are going to loose many medics and grunts and several other people that would have to be close to queer’s that more than likely have aids or will get it . To me I would consider this crap they just past as open season on queers and I would consider it justifyable,but freindly fire accidents happen all the time

I would assume recruits are screened for AIDS? Then there should be no problem.

You’re always assuming; that’s your problem.

Karolyn
No they dont and the amount of blood that they donate can only mean thats a problem.

I wouldn’t bet my life on an assumption. Would you?

I don’t suppose you have heard of “privacy laws”. Well you will shortly. Even the govt cannot force tests for aids. Here comes the ACLU. Dumb assed bureaucrats don’t have a clue about combat conditions in the real world. Hell most of the brass don’t either.

Finally…most other major militaries allow everyone to serve,and they make it work. We can’t? Why,because we’re dumber than other countries? Get over it and get on w/ life.

Karolyn,

When it comes to aids, you could test negative when you went in and six month later you could be positive. It all depends on your activities and with whom in the mean time !

I believe anyone as uneducated as Skipfoss and Stan Smith should have never been allowed to serve in the military. They need to return to school and at least learn to spell and write gramatically correct sentences. Then they need to take a logics and ethics class, because they are two bad bigoted dangerous dudes that should be put on the front lines for slaughtering the English language. My own solace about these two twisted minds is a line from Shakespeare, “Words without thoughts never to heaven go.” I have always felt if the U.S. government wants to discriminate against gays and lesbians, then the United States of America does not deserve their blood. If DADT was not repealed, I would have advocated that all lesbian and gay troops should come out of the closet to their superior officers and should go home and contribute to their gay communities. The real truth is that even with the repeal, there will be many lesbian and gay soldiers that will remain in the closet because they are still fearful in a homophobic country as the USA. After reading what skipfoss and Stan Smith wrote, any one would be fearful for their lives.

You shouldn’t call anyone uneducated unless your looking in the mirror. Your just another civilian who lacks knowledge of military life.

Tell us about your military experience Chrystal.

Rob

Robert Smith,
Tell us about your pagan idolotry and ritual sacrifice.

Hmmmmm, it’s time to remind folks about that transsubstancian stuff and the christians. Eat any good saviors lately with your ritualistic canabalism?

Rob

We have to give the literalists a break,since they stole the eating of their God from much earlier religions. It does sound rather gross when one thinks about what it is supposed to be…dinner anyone?

Cherie:

Based on you opinion, I assume that you are not a Christian since the Holy Scriptures forbid gay relationships. Such relationships are perverted and hopefully you will obey God’s commandments. As the scriptures state: All are appointed to die, and then the judgement.
Hopefully, you will repent of your ways and not face Christ at the White Throne judgement seat for non-belivers. I pray that you open your heart’s door to Jesus and accepted His grace and salvation.

I wonder what you think happened to all the billions of people who were born and died long before Jesus or the Bible cmae along? For the vast majority of the million or so years of human existence there were other gods or no god at all. Even now,the majority of humans don’t believe in the Christian god and you are in a minority still.

Denniso,

All the people that passed before Jesus are said to have been in a sleep and when He died and decended to the dead He set them free and they were given the choice to believe or not. His comming was fortold by the prophets in the old testament. As for not knowing the mind of God, well sometimes we can’t and sometimes we can ! God has told us what to expect and what he wants from us! There is no guess work involved ! Believe or not it is up to you ! Everyone makes their own choice !

The billions of people who dies before Jesus showed up ‘are said to have been in a sleep’? Who said? There’s nothing about that in the Bible,so I imagine it’s some self appointed and anointed one who has said such a silly thing.

The mind of God? How do you know when it is that you know His mind and when it is you don’t? I suppose you know his mind when things go the way you want or expect,and then you don’t when things are messy or counter to what you wnat. It sounds a little like people who think they know how to win at the casino.

Denniso

I have come to realize that things rarely ever go the way I think they should so I don’t ever use that as a way to know the mind of God ! If you really know the bible as you think you do then you will know when you can know the mind of God ! Keep denying the word of God and using it as an excuse to do as you want. It is only you that will answer to that !

Sorry Granny,but if there is any such thing as an omnipotent god capable of all it would be,like creating the universe and all life,then no puny humans like us could ever possibly know the ‘mind’ of this god. It’s a little more than arrogant for any human to imagine they could possibly speak for a god w/ that kind of power and abilities. It’s also a huge stretch to think that this all powerful god would have any concern for us little creatures on this little solitary planet in one single galaxy. Does he/it care about all the other life that is sure to exist in the rest of the cosmos?
People can believe all they want,but when they try to justify it logically or w/ reason is when it falls apart. Just believe if you want and quit trying to get other people to take on an illogical and fanciful faith.

Hey skippy¡ You can get AIDS from a drug user, a hooker, or your sister.

BTW, I put 4 years in the USN and didn’t care if someone was gay.

AND! I’ll bet that YOUR experience in the military won’t be challenged but simply because I don’t care there will be doubts cast upon my service. Let’s see how your greek chorus jumps in an attempt to raise doubts.

Rob

The point is; when caught violating the UCMJ they are courtmarshaled for it. I don’t remember drunk driving being in there but it has been a few years.

drunk driving is very definitely an issue these days -