JC,
Sounds about right to me!!! Course those progs out there might need a more simplistic explaination, so let me help. Conservative/libertarian
Good, commie/prog BAD!!!! there, even eduh47DUHS! should understand that!!!

You mean that she’s as bad as John Kerry when it comes to flip flopping?

Always off track aren’t you Joe? How about answering Kinetic with a more relevant answer. Too hard for you so you have to answer in circles?

same in Canada. It’s a great system and the buildings are all shiny and stuff…but inside it’s hallway medicine. In fact a friend of mine said it was reminisent of the USSR to him.
People in Alberta were dialling 911 from INSIDE the emegency rooms a little while ago.
Great system…just don’t get sick.

Photo lady,
don’t forget the attorney that fought for ALL of us!! See my post above and contact him and let him know how you feel, IE thank him profusely!!

Kinetic…you as the “far left liberal” that you are like to preach to others about spending within our means but you like to also preach to us about giving what we DO have to the others to spread OUR wealth. As far as me reading my fine print on my C/C contract, I do not even carry a C/C! I do live within my means and yet you keep insisting that the government has a right to UNCONSTITUTIONALY force me to pay higher premiums or be forced to pay a fine for a forced government health plan! By your reality the government has the right to force the people to purchase ANYTHING, that’s is completely ignorant. You can argue the case that….ah, well everyone needs insurance, well guess what, everyone needs clothes too, does that mean I have to pay higher wages to help cloth everyone in the US?????
Everyone needs to eat, does that mean that I have to pay higher wages to feed everyone in the US…..of course everyone NEEDS insurance but guess what….its a choice, that’s right..a God given right, our Constitutional right, and the LAW and when you start changing the Constitution to fit your own personal agenda you have Tyranny and nothing less! This Government has taken and stolen from us people for so long and so foolishly and people like you only feed into their game.

Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Teresa,
Thanks for telling me what I believe and say since I have not made the argument yet. All I did was point out that the Judge has a questionable relationship in this case, but I can see that you feel the need to release some anger so go right ahead. Just to help you along, I will point out that you already help provide food and clothing for those among us who are in need. Subsidies to farmers, food stamps, welfare, all paid for with your tax dollars. And while ‘m sure you curse every dollar that is spent in your name, you’re right, I have no problem with paying my share to help others who have not been as fortunate as my family. It’s just the way I was raised.

Merry Christmas!

Not as big as the one in California (a lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxist) that overturned prop 8 in California because he was gay. Which one was worse in their cases? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai,
You mean the Right wing judge appointed by President G.H.W. Bush? Judge Walker who The New York Times stated he was active in Republican politics and Wired magazine described as having libertarian leanings? Asking him to recuse himself would have made no sense, since a heterosexual judge could be accused of deciding in favor of prop 8 based on his sexual preferences just as easily as you assume Judge Walker made his decision based on the fact that he is Gay.

boundup1,
the lending business can not do anything in a state that that state considers illegal, no matter what state they are in! Why do you think on warrenties you see the disclaimer your state may give you certain rights that are not listed herein!!!

Wait till Indiana, along with other states, start using the powers given to the states under the 10th Amendment. Then Obama bin Laden care won’t be able to start in Indiana. This is part of states rights you know. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

This is just the start. Just wait till the U. N. Small Arms Treaty, Cap and Trade, etc come into effect. This means more costly insurance, penalties for anyone who pollutes the air, having our fire arms taken from us, in other words all these unconstitutional programs dumped on the American people. Let’s knock Obama bin Laden out of office in 2012. Let’s get rid of the illegals also. They also drive up the price of healthcare, nor are they eligable to receive any aid programs (need to be a U.S. citizen). I guess peole are still waiting for this hope that Obama bin Laden promised them.

“He that lives on hope will die fasting.” Benjamin Franklin.

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai,
Watch for the middle east to walk away from our dollar soon. When they do, pray we can find gas for our cars for less than 4.50 a gallon! Heating costs will sky rocket with crap and rape but much more in this scenario! watch about september or october!

Thanks fellow patriot! I’ll do that. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

It is great when things work out like they did for your son. Things don’t work out like that often enough. I think everybody should have health care guaranteed them, without relying on a health care provider to write off part of a bill, which they do in some, but not all, cases. It may be against the law, as some posters have said, to deny care, but the law does no good after someone dies for lack of care. Praise God for your good results!

photo lady I went to college in Big Rapids Ferris State college!! Beautiful country up there!!! My niece and brother in law, her father both live in Rockford!!

BTW, my daughter just got out of the hospital here with colitis. spent a week in the hospital and had NO INSURANCE! They set up a payment plan for her to pay it off a little at a time! Kinda shoots this can’t get service at the hospital without insurance crap all to hell doesn’t it???

Joe, I’m sorry to hear your daughter is having problems with colitis. It’s a nasty disease and robs so much from a person. I hope she is doing better now. I’m happy to hear about your good outcome with the hospital bills. We also were given a payment plan and it was tailored to my son’s finances. He had 3 hospitalizations and 2 trips to the emergency room. The church where he was a youth pastor took up a collection and raised $3,000. for his bills. Then I have to give glory to God here because he increased my business up to 80 weddings in a year and I was able to help my son pay his bills. We were not looking for a free ride for medical care and while my husband had a different job we were paying for health care coverage every week out of his paycheck and never used it. Then when we needed it, we couldn’t get it, but thank God for benevolent rich people who donate large amounts of money for foundations and hospital wings, medical equipment and hold charity balls to fund their projects. I say thank you to those people who worked hard and built up businesses to support themselves and to bless their communities. Our government wants to tax the crap out of them, and when government gets it’s hands on something it gets spent on earmarks, pork and jet planes, lavish vacations and just plain wasteful spending. The rich in my community built a sports arena, art museum, public gardens full of beauty and art,
built medical centers, hospitals & universities and enrich everyone’s lives in so many ways. Their largesse blesses everyone and through their generosity our son was able to be healed of a life threatening disease with payments he could handle over a period of time.

I’m a simple person and don’t know the answers to many things in this world, but I don’t believe Obamacare is the answer for our country. As others have stated above, each person has to take responsibility for their own health by eating sensibly, getting enough rest and exercising. I believe God created us and then gave us an operating manual on how to run our machines. If people would go back to the basics and cut out the junk food, sugar and fat, they would eliminate a lot of health problems that overburden our medical care system. Look on the show, Biggest Loser, how they eliminate medical problems by changing eating patterns and getting off the couch with the remote control. However, in this entitlement society, there are too many people who expect handouts from government who have never paid into anything. Look at Obama’s aunt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHoAuk76fT8) who has been living here illegally, got free medical care and free housing, didn’t pay a dime into the system, and thinks it’s her right to claim her benefits because this is such a great country. She is a lunatic and leech and should be sent back where she came from. But her attitude is so prevalent across the USA, and when you multiply her by millions of others and throw in an irresponsible federal government with out of control spending, you can see why this country is heading for bankruptcy.

Sorry, think I got off the track here, but thanks for letting me speak my mind.

photo lady,
i am sure you are not looking for a handout, neither is my daughter. As far as speaking your mind, that is what this forum is here for!!

You are correct in most of what you say.Yet there are 45 million uninsured and that is probably growing. So that 80,000 figure pales in comparison to the greater need of the uninsured. I do agree that way too many Americans don’t take care of their health and should pay more for their obstinence or maybe they should receive minimal care if they do need help.

Many of those you talk about are illegal aliens all can get emergency care in the hospital or Medicare. Those who do not have anything and cannot afford to pay are not going to pay under Obamacare. If they file a tax return and many do not it will go against them. Many illegals and many on unemployment work for cash. Obamacare does not address the problem. It only makes it worst.

TO:Bruce D. this obama care program is about funding illeagals working for employers that are so cheap that employees (LAW BREAKERS)get federal government help funding this corperate welfare scam,at the expense of every american leagal citizen and at the expense of abridging the surpreme laws of this republic,and with the money demanded by this criminal act,(EXTORTION)these people employing these folks will have a lifetime free ride on the backs of every person in this nation,never would have thought i would see the day that this nation would be chained into being no more than slaves,to nothing but left-wing corperate neo-com zionist thugs,killing this nations freedoms,inch by inch.but finally at least one judge has the moral fiber to say its wrong,a judge worth supporting,a real american.

kinda like Obamas appointed judge Kagan who threw out at least 6 cases brought before her of his elegibility, right?…

Judge Kagen was not a judge at the time, but even if she was, this story is yet another pack of lies that keeps floating around the net. the story comes from an article that appeared on WorldNetDaily.com on August 4, 2010. Proving, once again that it’s a good idea to do research before hand, an “Editor’s Note” that replaced it a few days later admits that the court cases in question were incorrectly described as pertaining to Obama’s eligibility. “Those cases, in fact, were a series of unrelated disputes pending before the Supreme Court.”

Yep, Snopes.com looked deep into the specific cases and found that not one of them had anything to do with President Obama’s eligibility or citizenship. In fact the majority of the filings originally named George W. Bush as the defendant and were updated when President Obama too office. The dockets list Elena Kagan as Obama’s attorney of record because it was her job as U.S. Solicitor General to represent the Executive Branch.

So no, not kinda like Obamas appointed judge Kagan, but nice try.

No. 09-6790
Title: Gary William Holt, Petitioner
v.
Barack H. Obama, President of the United States, et al.

Docketed: October 1, 2009
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit
Case Nos.: (08-5389)
Decision Date: March 26, 2009
Rehearing Denied: May 15, 2009
~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Aug 10 2009 Petition for a writ of certiorari and motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis filed. (Response due November 2, 2009)
Oct 13 2009 Waiver of right of respondents Barack H. Obama, President of the United States, et al. to respond filed.
Oct 22 2009 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of November 6, 2009.
Nov 9 2009 Petition DENIED.

Ok Teresa,
Kagen is listed on this case as the Solicitor General and as such is responsible for defending the government. She was not a judge, so she could not refuse the case. She was not a private attorney, so she could neither turn down the case or make any money off of it. Nothing about this is comparable to a judge with a possible financial interest in a case not recusing himself.

Unrelated to this argument (or President Obama’s right to hold office) is the fact that Gary William Holt (the plaintiff in the case you noted) is a federal prisoner in Tennessee convicted on fire arms violations. His case regards the civil rights of prisoners and was originally filed during the Bush administration. So again, if you want to argue matters like this, find yourself a source that does research, or do the research yourself.

Didn’t she just do that, Kinetic? Can you use your energy to move your mouse and click on your screen to find them? Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

No, Sook Young, I had to do the research for her. If you read my post you would have seen that the case she presented as “proof” that it was “Kagan who threw out at least 6 cases brought before her of his elegibility” (sic) has nothing to do with Kagan protecting Obama, other than it being her job to represent the government. Research means more than going to your favorite right wing conspiracy site and accepting the garbage presented as fact. It often takes more than just using “your energy to move your mouse and click on your screen” to glean the truth, but it’s worth it. Your Welcome.

Teresa,
If you look under the name of the attourney you can send him a message, which I think we ALL should do! We all should thank him for looking out for our constitutional rights!!

I forgot to add his name Ken Cuccinelli!! I just sent him a very heartfelt thanks!!

Bruce;Obama fought hard to include Republicans in the healthcare issue and the Republicans deliberately shut themselves out. You can’t be apart of any process if you don’t show up to participate. This country needs to get a grip on healthcare and stop kicking the can down the road.

Eddie47d no one here believes that because it isn’t true and we all followed it. That kind of stuff only flies on liberal blog sites.

Yes, and why no tort reform in Obamacare as Republicans asked for? I’ll tell you why, because most democrat politicians are lawyers: Obummer, the Hildebeast, Bubba, Dirty Harry Reid, Queen Pelosi, Big Mouth Biden all lawyers. Not so much with the GOP: Sarah has a journalism background, McCain a naval aviator, Rep-elect Heck from NV an MD.

Bruce D,
you have to understand that edduuuhhh! thinks Nobummercare was the Lords answer to the sick! He forgets that right after the progs passed it, they started a movement that said mamograms were not needed and were non-productive, even though the AMA and cancer society BOTH said they were a life saver!! See unlike us regular people, the prog pols like billy boy would relish the end of their spouse!!! Then he could chase all the skirt he wanted and the world, all of it, would turn a blind eye!!

Palin 12;Tort reform is 1-1/2% of healthcare costs; an important issue but hardly what is fueling the rising costs. So get a grip on reality.

Joe Blow; You are wrong on mammograms(x-rays).Like any x-ray too much exposure can cause more problems than they help. Women should get mammograms but not as frequently. The mammogram salesmen and tech workers are the ones pushing for more usage.(job security). Over prescribing of services is another thing that has forced higher healthcare costs. Unnecessary tests and over medicating also help hospitals make money, but is it right?

Edduh! Where do you get your figures from the Huffington Post?? You haven’t heard of fatcat liars, er lawyers suing doctors for millions??

There are very few large jury awards or settlements in the healthcare business. You have been watching too many TV movies.

Eddie, What planet have you been on for the past two years?

I think he must of been one of my patients at the CBM Center in my hospital. CBM – Center for Behavioral Medicine. We patriots and modern day women won the last election and I hope this bill is repealed. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

I see Sook has to get her licks in too! Since you want to be snippety maybe you are the one with the problem so check yourself into that CBM unit.

eduuuuhhh!
Why would she want to be that close to you??? Oh, and BTW the Drs. themselves were also saying the mamograms were detecting cancer and detecting it early enough to save lives!! the lady I thought of as my mother for a good part of my life was diagnosed with breast cancer at about 45 years old, had a mastectomy and just died about three months ago at the age of 97 years old! her cancer was detected by a mamogram!

Was this before the pay offs and backroom deals? Was this before ramming it down our throats, though more than 60% of the people didn’t want it? The latest polls show that more than 60% of Americans still don’t want the thing, so why don’t you wake up and smell the coffee? Why should I, if I choose to opt out, have to pay a fee (tax) every year to stay off off this program? Sorry edduh, but my wife and I have insurance through our work places and insurance through State Fram and they are good policies. Our agent is always willing to work with us and seem to always get a little more ahead. Let’s see what happens when Virginia’s lawsuit, along with Florida’s (Which has 20 other states with it, to include Indiana) makes it to the floor of the Supreme Court. It could mean bye bye to Obama bin Laden care. Some say how can we get by without insurance? Simple, just go out and get a job or change your spending habits and then you can afford it. Also, staying healthy by eating right and exercising will lower you health cost. If you are healthy and fit, you tend to make less visits to the hospital. Less people getting sick means less trips to the hospitl, lees trips to the hospital means not as high a need for medications, less medications means the drug companies (along with doctors and hospitals) charge less in fees, less fees means prices eventually come down, prices come down so do insurance prices. Ergo, this simple outline of an idea is a win win situation. The people have more money and the medical, pharm, and hospitals gets the libs off of their backs. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

When have hospital costs and insurance costs come down? Certainly not with private care or private insurance. Your comments should work in theory but it doesn’t in reality.

I don’t know about that edduh. I’ve been doing what I’ve posted for years and have only been ill 1 time in a 20 year period. I had a bad case of pneumonia a couple of months back, but usually I only go once a year for a physical. If I can make this thing work, other people can do the same thing. My wife does too. You say in theory it’ll work but not in reality? It can work if try to stay fit, watch your weight, and see your doctor for annual physicals. You must have the desire to make it work, but so many people are lazy and just want another unconstitutional program and bigger government. Remember our founding principles of self reliance, personal responsibility, and the vision to ensure that government remains our servents and not our masters. Smaller government = More freedom for the people. Bigger government = Less freedom for the people. Also, there are so many things in Obama bin Laden care that would make you wait longer than necessary. Did you know that the plan tells women that mamograms aren’t necessary and will not be covered on this healthcare policy? My wife showed me that. There are even unions and companies already opting out of the program before it even starts. Free health care is a good practice in theory, but can’t work in reality. Just look how countries in Europe are so overburdened with their own health care programs that it take up to 50% – 60% of their budgets just to pay for the darn thing. Where would the government get the money needed for this program? This is the #1 reason Obama bin Laden wanted the taxcuts to expire, so he can have the money for the program. Right now all social programs in America, not counting Obamacare, is more than 50% of the annual government’s budget. Come on edduh! You know what I said is true. Maybe if you did what I posted, your costs wouldn’t be as high as they are now. All I do is 2 minutes of non stop push ups and sit ups 6 days a week and run 2 – 5 miles 3 – 4 times a week. Simple program and you don’t have to pay for a gym or exercise equipment. Win – win situation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You had a compelling answer even though I’m not your edduh. I do exercise everyday and only take an occasional headache medication. To me this issue isn’t about myself but a better country to live in. Everyone should have a healthcare plan and everyone should pay into whatever plan they can afford. If you pay less you get less whether private or national. Mammograms have been oversold and there is no reason for yearly coverage. Many tests should be only done every other year or even every five years or so. Depending on the persons vulnerability to certain diseases or cancers. Yearly tests that aren’t necessary only drive up costs.

Those who cannot afford it will not pay under Obamacare so nothing will change there. You are not forced to buy car insurance if you do not drive a car. If you do drive a car you have options on coverage and price.

Those who drive and don’t have coverage put a greater burden on those who do. Those who don’t have healthcare coverage put a greater burden on those who do. That is why a mandate is necessary. Everyone get’s sick or has an accident and we never know when. If everyone is “forced” to have coverage and pays a share of the burden then the cost for everyone goes down.

So we should just pretend the Constitution doesn’t exist and start following Carl Marxs.

How can you lie like that Ed? If this plan starts, my insurance I have at work will go up 25% – 30% a month. This will make it just a little bit harder for my husband and I to afford thing for our 4 children. Aren’t Americans supposed to be self reliant, personally responsible, and believe in smaller government? I don’t want to sound mean, but these people are supposed to make sure they have insurance and it is not this governments job to prop them up. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

edduuuuhhh!,
Actually there are many people who live and drive their whole life and never have an accident. My father drove for seventy years and never had an accident. i have driven for 44 years and I haven’t had one yet! (knock on wood!!) I watch the other guy and when it is needed i slow down to the conditions, it isn’t hard to do!

So what Joe is saying is that it doesn’t matter if you have insurance or not and we should just take our chances. I bet most people don’t use their homeowners insurance yet they are glad they have it.

Sook; You really need to ask yourself all the reasons that healthcare costs have gone up so much and before any national plan was even brought to the floor of the House. Where was your personal responsibility in stopping private insurance companies in gouging the public. You almost never see a “poor” insurance salesman and the executives have been raking in millions and even billions. That will only get worse and you will pay more and more for their arrogant lifestyle. Do they care about your rising healthcare costs? Don’t be fooled over and over again and yes there are other reasons so check it out.

Eddie, I agree that many of the high ranking people in these companies get a good salary, that’s true. However, I wasn’t talking about them. I was talking about the 150 nurses that work at our hospital. Many of whom are single/divorced with children to raise. Some of them even started a petition at the hospital and every nurse and doctor signed it. We asked the hospital director to not impliment this program. One of the nurses I work with has been recently divorced and has 3 children to raise. How could she afford the program when she has so many other bills and responsibilities to take care of? Though a nurse’s salary isn’t bad, but it is still up to us to be insured and not to have a socialist program as this one forced on us. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

Most nurses I have met over the years earn between $65,000 to $120,000.That was a big issue here 20 years ago and nurses were paid $43,000 at that time. There were protesting their low wages and then the raises started coming in. Haven’t heard any complaints since then. I think you actually gave reasons why your fellow nurses should have a good healthcare policy (kids), whether private or national. Right now too many Americans wait until they get sick or injured and then expect emergency room care. I believe it would be better to charge everyone upfront so they earn that emergency room privilege. If not, then they get lesser care as it should be. You can call it socialist or whatever but what we have now isn’t doing the job.

Eddie, I understand what you said about their pay, but those nurses tend to have a union in their hospitals and can get paid more. I’ve been a nurse of a CBM ward on military bases and in public hospitals for 20 – 23 years and I don’t get paid that much. Why? No union. Our hospital won’t let one come in, but we do have a good benefit and retirement package through the hospital. The hospital takes out some $6000.00 a year for me and our children with the maximum amount allowed through our hospital. If my payments were to go up, I would be paying around $2000.00 more a year if this healthcare program comes into effect. No one in our hospital wants this program. Some doctors said that they would be restricted to only doing a certain amount of operations and a certain amount of procedures a month. Also, our hospital has an office that you can go to to help you with your bills. We have a great lady there named Tanisha. She’ll take your bill and call people from the list of charities on her desk. Some people have had the charities pay all their bills, 100% at times. Another thing is that if this program does start, we would not be able to offer this program to any patient. I feel that this could also affect things in a bad way. So many poor families come to rely on this office to help them, due to not having any insurance or not much money. Does your local hospital have something that I’ve just mentioned? With people and charities always willing to help we don’t need this healthcare program. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

edduuuuhhhh47Duhs!
show me where I said that auto insurance wasn’t needed! i have never driven without it and neither did my dad! I was in a friends car that was hit by a drunk driver and survived but my buddy died ten years later from complications of that accident! The bastard should have gone to jail after the accident for life but still had another five years later even though he didn’t have a licence nor insurance!!

Yes most states require auto insurance IF you choose to drive. That is a State’s rights issue and the federal government has no business poking its face into state’s right’s issues.

Since the majority of Americans have been to more than one state then it is more than a states rights issue. It is an inter-state issue (national).

eduh47duhs!,
actually it is stilla states right. As the amount and type of insurance varies from state to state.

That’s true. But a lot of those people didn’t want healthcare insurance and didn’t have it when those “Pre-existing conditions” came into existence. Can you blame an insurance company for not wanting to assume massive debt for whatever premium paid for the coverage? Try running a business like that and see how soon you go belly up!

We all have pre-existing conditions whether we know what they are or not. The insurance companies are a business as you point out. They want to maximize profits. They can do that by constantly broadining the definition of what constitutes a pre-existing condition. This narrows their customer base which causes them to increase premiums to outragous amounts. This is what has been happening. A business, yes; health insurance for the masses NO. Soon, without some sort of intervention, only the rich will be able to afford insurance. Another case where the GOP is focused on their fat-cat base to the degredation of the poor and middle class.

If a third party is paying for the medical care and the third party has deep pockets, the cost of medical care will naturally go up. If there was only insurance for catastrophic occassions, would routine medical care costs go down? I believe so. So, if there were no insurance whatsoever, would all medical care also go down in cost? More than likely. When was insurance introduced? How in the world did people survive prior to insurance??? Oh, that’s right, they paid out of their own pockets and/or made other arrangements. And, the people who could not afford care? Were they dying in the streets? Hmmmmm….I don’t think so. Oh, that’s right there were communities, churches, and charities who took care of each other…..what a concept!

Dagney,
Your scenerio will cause life expectancy to go WAY down. And yes, there were a lot of people dying in the steets before health insurance and our advanced/costly medical toolbox.
With all the talk about death panels your approach is the ultimate in “death panels”.

The old days are gone Dagney and yes people died on the streets (mostly in their own homes).Many charities and churches are having a tough time keeping things going. You can’t expect them to rally with the massive increases in healthcare costs. It’s easy to say it’s an individuals problem whether they live or die but there are way too many folks who can’t buy even basic healthcare coverage. The income gap has become too great and we could end up back in the “good ol’ days”. There is nothing wrong with encouraging everyone to take personal responsibility; but there comes a time in everyone’s life where we have to depend on someone else to survive or die. Relying on churches and charities won’t cut it anymore.

For Doc and Eddie…..

The supreme irony of life is that hardly anyone gets out of it alive.
Robert A. Heinlein

So a person goes to college and medical school for 8 years, and then several years of residency, and now you libtards expect him or her to work for free? “It’s our right to have free medical care” hogwash! I have observed in my own life those like me that finished college and made a good career from it don’t have too many worries about health insurance. On the other hand, those who chose from an early age (let’s say 18) not to continue education, to settle for mediocre low-paying jobs and have no goals in sight other than to survive the next day to watch game shows all day on TV, they are now the ones into a big government dependancy thing. Don’t expect any symapathy from me Libtards and just keep your hands outta my pocket!

Palin12,
Who said ANYTHING about doctor’s working for free?

Isn’t that what free health care is?

Palin12,
Who said ANYTHING about Free health care? Are you people reading or just reacting?

Doc, that’s exactly what a liberal coworker once told me: that as human beings we’re entitled to free health care. He says they do it in other countries. I’ve heard it said by other liberal lunatics and welfare advocates too. Tell ya what Doc, how about we pay all the docs except you?

Average Joe n palin12,
Joe,
I gonna get out alive AND I’m takin it with me!!! Whatever “it” is!?!?!
Palin12,
Even the healthcare in europe isn’t free! Their taxes are much higher than ours and they have a lot of hidden taxes we don’t!!

No such thing as free healthcare Palin 12. So where do you get your nonsense? Doctors will get paid whether you have a private plan or a national plan. So what kind of Tard are you?

That may or may not be true but it does not give you or the government the right to ignore the supreme law of the land and allow government unlimited powers under the commerce clause. There is no doubt the health care system needs fixing. If Obama had allowed bipartisan support it would have been fixed right. At the very least he wouldn’t have had a rebellion that led to 64 House Democrats leaving and a slew of law suits.

Sure alot of folks are shut out of medical but who wants the quacks to mess with you?? All the Drs are interested in is the money, to hell with the patients

Buying health insurance doesn’t improve one’s health it makes insurance companies richer. In the twenty-some lawsuits that have been filed, two District Courts have held the Healthcare’s mandate, that those who do not have health insurance must buy it, is constitutional, and one has held it to be unconstitutional. That one, and one of the others to the contrary, were both in the State of Virginia. It will be interesting to see how the other Districts hold.
Our health is determined by how we take care of our bodies, not by how much insurance we have. Insurance is the biggest scam ever hatched by man. But here, Congress does not have the power to force people to buy health insurance.

Captain,
I for one hope his decision stands and I hope the supremes give us the very same one and a whole lot more to destroy this crap package foisted on the almost 60% of the people that didn’t want it!