Ain’t part of your crummy hateful god, Victor. Don’t believe in him.

However, you are free to live in fear of he who has killed bunches of born human beings that he called “sinful.” Then he let the one gi who offered his virgin daughters to the mob, and eventually had sex with them.

Some god.

Rob

Joe
Think, think man!! If the the store accounts for less than 10% of the population but account for 90% of the wealth who has the power to pull this country out of this mess? It is so clear that the record corporate profits have translated into jobs and extra taxes in the government treasury?? And Santa Clause is real! The 90% have only the 4th amendment to protect it. This is not a sustainable system. Think things through!!

I don’t think gunner or Victor at7:25am are Christian. There are so many falsehoods against so many people it’s hard to keep all the hate straight. Hitler played that “game” also but in truth he despised gays. He had one gay man in his inner circle, Ernst Rohm whom he used for gay acceptance to get elected . In 1934 he had established his power and had this man executed. He in-acted stiff penalties against all gays which eventually lead to their annihilation in camps. In 1942 to further his agenda he passed a law that all homos would be shot on site. In America Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams wrote Swastika: Homosexuals in Nazi Party. They belonged to Abiding Truth Ministries and wrote this book to turn Americans against gays and found a way to demonize them: By lying about the Hitler connection. Another interesting fact is that the true Socialist party of Germany denounced Hitler and the sinister path he used to get elected. Hitler went against them and used the term Socialist in their Party’s name. I have seen a few on this site who like to say the Nazi’s were socialist and socialism = Hitler. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Hitler lied about that too. There are other American authors who write gay bashing books (Paul Cameron). If you want hate filled “facts” to enhance your anti-homo feelings then he’s your man.

eddie,

Yeah, like he Repubs are pretty liberal .. The big GOP tent ? Remember when Newt wanted to end abortion funding back in the 1990′s ? Was it 40 pro-choice repubs congressman who squashed that deal ?

Hey Eddie, relax ! Gay Republicans are going to Hell just as fast as Gay Democrats ! Who cares about Cheney’s daughter or if Hitler was gay or not. Hitler is in Hell right now. If Reverend Fred Phelps is right – all gays are going to Hell. According to Rev. Phelps you Gays are incapable of being saved from Hell. Your all reprobates…

If the kind Reverend is right, Cheney’s daughter is going to Hell also. Their is no hope for her …

I don’t agree with the Reverends picketing of military funerals.

What I do understand is you homosexuals caused Rev. Phelps and Westboro Baptist Church members to crack mentally. You vexed them with your evil abominable deeds so heavily that they had a breakdown. Are you proud of yourselves ?

That’s your plan – you want to persecute all the Christians mentally …
until they are so vexed they crack.

Who is the evil one now ?

Fred Phelps, Jerry Falwell, Rush Limbaugh, and all the folks the hateful dittoheads follow.

Bigotry and hate are a choice. And, they are not family values.

Rob

Robert,

There is another innocent man you evil ones vexed to death -Jerry Falwell ! Are you proud of yourselves ?

Victor can sure ramble on and on! Where do you get your assumption that I am gay? If I defend a black man will that also make me black? If I despise Hitlers actions against homosexuals or Jews does that make me a Jew Or a homosexual?Your mind has been fried by inconsistencies and hate.

You probably don’t go by the Old Testament, because it is a set of law, rules, and discipline.

I have no problem with laws but should we not eat shell fish or pork? Should we out law masturbation because it is better to spill ones seed in the belly of a whore than to cast it on the side of the road. These are outdated laws. When we live our lives with love we will follow the rules and laws. One should not be expected to follow outdated laws.

As for your statement, “Imploding? Maybe. Still Number 1? Yes. Better than that hell hole you’re living in.” I tell my kids that life is what you make it. What are you making it?? Why so much hatred?

I wish you libs would quit misquoting the Bible. It only increases your punishment in the afterlife. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I agree. And he also said many times, “Go and sin no more.” But that seems to be a line that a lot of these so-called Christians always fails to read and remember.

Not saying the Old Testament does not apply. I’m saying we are under Grace and not under God’s wrath anymore. This still does NOT mean I can do as I please. I still am responsible to live a life that glorifies God and Jesus. I don’t have to sacrifice to atone for sin because Jesus died for that. Hebrews talks of some of this. People often go back to the OT as justification for this or that and we don’t want that. We have a new convenant now. If you can continue in your sin and call yourself a Christian you need to really seek out to see if you are saved.
Not trying to start a doctrinal law here. Live as Jesus taught us (and the early church leaders) and the rest will work out.

100% agree. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Only one sin condemns you to hell – not accepting Jesus. Only one thing gets you to heaven – accepting Jesus. If you are in Christ you are going to heaven.
Now the question needs to be asked – if you can continue in your sin are you saved??
I do things wrong – but I always feel guilty until I have to go to the Lord and confess. When / if I ever get to the place where that guilt does not happen I will be very worried.

Or, if one doesn’t believe in the hateful corrupt christian god so many around here to believe in there is no issue of heaven or hell based on their myths.

Rob

Only one way to find out, roberta!!! I think you are more trying to convince yourself than us!!!

Another misinformed opinion from Joe. Are you proud of your 100% record of falsehoods, Joe?

Rob

They said the same thing would happen for black integration. I think the military is strong enough to with stand it.

have you noticed that we haven’t decisively won a war since the military was integrated ? Coincidence ??

But old Dicky is a christian and he has accepted his daughter.

Rob

Jesse Dirkhising 13 year old boy raped for hours and murdered by homosexuals because they could. Mary Stachowicz murdered by a homosexual for being a Christian. On “America’s Most Wanted” there have been a growing number of homosexual men murdering heterosexual people. The problem is that everytime someone wants the over-the-top liberal media to bring the story to the forefront or in the news at all, the media hides the story.

You can also check out your local Law Library, there are plenty of people murdered by homosexuals. It’s “WAKE UP” time, Rob.

Most murderers are heterosexuals. Of course they are a majority of the population. Are there murderers who are homosexuals?; – of course. Do hetersexuals and homosexuals murder their own “type” and/or the opposite “type”?; sure. It sure does not seem you have much of a point here.

Doc, if you read what I responded to, you would understand the point. Ron stated that he hasn’t heard of very many homosexuals who murder. If you are going to respond, read what individuals are replying to, then maybe, just maybe you’ll grasp the point.

Chrystal, I responded with the facts in the case and the poor guy was harassed by a christian trying to get him “straight.” He reached the end of his rope, got tired of being harassed, and broke.

Rob

Thank you for bringing up the Jesse Dirkhising torture and murder. The two sodomites who repeatedly raped, then killed that poor boy were largely ignored by the MSM, while Matthew Shepard, (an openly queer pervert who was murdered after trolling for a “partner” in a Wyoming bar) was promoted by the same MSM and his murderers were called everything but human.

I am sick of the entire lesbian and fag agenda and yes, they are organized and yes they do have an agenda. Well guess what? God also has an agenda.

If your ever so allegedly powerful god has an agenda why are there still gays at all? If he can kill off almost all the people in the world except those with Noah how’s come he can’t stop gays from being gay.

Looks to me like your god is a hateful loser.

Rob

Looks to me like Stachowicz was harassing Gutierrez trying to force her version of christanity upon the lad.

Here is an account: “On November 13, 2002, Stachowicz attended Mass at the Basilica of St. Hyacinth in the Chicago neighborhood of Avondale before beginning her shift as a Polish–English translator at the Sikorski Funeral Home, where Gutierrez worked as a janitor.[1] Nineteen-year-old Gutierrez tipped police off when he speculated he thought someone had killed her and stuffed her body in the building’s crawlspace.[2] He was working at the funeral parlor and had recently been laid off and was being evicted.[2] Area 5 Cmdr. Lee Epplen of the Chicago Police stated that Stachowicz and Gutierrez got into an argument after the woman tried to persuade him to change his lifestyle, police and prosecutors said. Gutierrez told police he became enraged after Stachowicz questioned him about his sexual orientation, said Cook County Assistant State’s Atty. Nancy Galassini during a bond hearing. After she proceeded to ask him “Why do you sleep with boys?”. He became even more angry and Nancy Galassini said “The defendant punched and kicked and stabbed the victim until he was tired. He then placed a plastic garbage bag over her head and strangled her.”

Gutierrez later concealed her body in a crawlspace under the floor. Prosecutors also accused Gutierrez of sexually assaulting Stachowicz, a charge that was denied by his defense attorney.[3] In a confession videotaped by the Chicago Police, Gutierrez said he panicked because Stachowicz’s trying to get him to change his sexuality reminded him of his mother. “She had this sneer, which reminded me of my mother when she used to beat me…I saw nothing but red,” Gutierrez was reported saying in the Chicago Sun-Times.[4] Later his defense attorney, Crystal Marchigiani, said that it was Gutierrez who had been physically attacked by Stachowicz, and that, “She could not leave him alone.”[3] Gutierrez was sentenced to life in prison on July 2, 2007.[5] His defense attorney asked the judge to account for his childhood history of physical abuse, but Stachowicz’ son was convinced that Gutierrez should receive the death penalty.[5]”

You can look it up at Wikipedia.

Crystal; 90% of all children who are sexually molested are by friends or family members.That figure doesn’t include strangers who could be of either sex. So it is probably closer to 95% by non-homosexuals. This is from the Child Molestation Research and Prevention Institute. This information can also be found in the works of Dr. Nichols Groth.

Roberta,
Hey scuzzbucket, you gonna blame the little kid as well??? If it’s ok for the perv to kill for her preaching to him then I gusee it’s ok to kill a perv if they try to pick someone up that’s straight, right??? you are a real prime scuzz!!

Crystal,
People immigrate to other nations every day. The difference is that they don’t make such a big deal about it.

Did you even read what I responded to?

There is a reason we are the strongest military in the world. Why should we copy weaker nations.

I didn’t say “copy” I said we can do it better – much better!

With all your worldly military experience (which you obviously have none), please enlighten us as to the betterment of our military.

Crystal, chrystal, chrystal…

Why don’t you PROVE your military standing you claim?

Rob

roberta,
Why don’t you?? all you have done is spout a bunch of BS that anyone could get from the internet!!

And crystal hasn’t given us anything.

So, why don’t you apply your standards equally and demand crystal prove her military service and what can only be presumed to be a lie in her experience with what she calls lesbians?

Oh, that’s right. You don’t believe in equality.

Rob

Men and women do not bunk down with one another in the military. Rob get a clue.

Roberta,
That BAM, did that stand for broad azzed man??? With you I just didn’t know!!!

Nope, as anyone in the military knows it is “Broad assed Marine.” Some took it as a compliment and others not so much. The one I was with was from the Ft. Myer Parachute Club.

Rob

Kimbo, Kimbo, Kimbo…

You said: “Phobia means “fear of.” I know of no one who is afraid of homosexuals.”

Why are you so afraid of a gay person seeing your pee pee in the shower? Would you be as afraid if a lesbian saw your pee pee?

IMO those who are fearful of their gods are cowards and bullies who take it out on minorities.

Rob

kimbo,
Watch it roberto isn’t getting enough peepee!! He talks about it ALLLLLL the time!!!

Hey Kimbo, you posted: ” I know of no one who is afraid of homosexuals.”

Really? Why not ask crystal. She seems to bordering on outright paranoic. Her fear is intense.

Rob

Yes Mrivin, YOUR god said hommosex is wrong. WE are not slaves to YOUR god. Don’t believe in a god that allows hate and fear to be the rule of their lives.

Why are you so afraid a gay person will see your pee pee?

BTW, have you eaten a cheesburger lately? Why don’t you hate that as much as gays?

Rob

Robert, you talk like a child…and OUR God is more mighty than anything you can behold. You try to instigate fights and your snide lil remarks are so childish. Your a flaming gay and thats your choice but the point is why is it so important to push it upon others in the military. They already serve, correct? The point is the military knows more than YOU will ever know about the morality of what it will do to the soldiers serving if open gays are allowed to serve.

Teresa: “God is more mighty than anything you can behold.”

I don’t care. I don’t worship your christian god. BTW, what was Gamorah destroyed for. It is rather vague. And, what’s gamority? What am I missing? Or was it a case of the christian god trying to hit Sodom and missed it by that much. Oh well.

“remarks are so childish.”

Actually I can come up with many many terms for penis but it’s more fun to show just how afraid those big tough christian soldgers are of having their pee pee being seen by a gay person.

“Your a flaming gay”

No I’m not. But you can lie and claim it if that gives you some satisfaction. Is it sexual for you? If it is I don’t care what kind of perversion you are into.

Guestion guessed: …”why is it so important to push it upon others in the military.”

What’s important to me is the rights of gays, but I’m not gay.

The rights of women are important to me, but I’m not a woman.

The rights of American Indians are important to me but I’m not very much of an American Indian.

I’m very much in support of gun owners and there you got me. I am a gun owner. I was a stalwort member of the NRA and an instructor who had taught hundreds of mostly kids and some adults. I quit two years before George Bush Sr. did when I saw that the NRA had been taken over by the extreme right.

“The point is the military knows more than YOU will ever know about the morality”

The military is run by the UCMJ, not “morality.”

Rob

Teresa,
Watch it roberta has a mean right with that purse of his!!!

First of all Marvin if you believe in God, His Name is capitalized. Secondly I do go to church every Sunday and I will not treat a homosexual any differently than anyone else. So stop making assumptions.

Say eddie, you are correct: “First of all Marvin if you believe in God, His Name is capitalized.”

I don’t believe in the hateful christian god that seems to be the root of all the hate and fear around here.

Glad I’m spelling god correctly without the upper case.

BTW, I think it’s amazing that so many around here would talk so much about his power, but the worst they can do to me is call me names. I don’t see any power. All I see is a bunch of cowardly creeps who think someone else living their life the way they want thinks it is taking something away from them.

Rob

Crystal,
Not all Heterosexuals have children even though they do have sex. The point being missed here is that Gays are not asking for the right to harass other soldiers or have sex in the barracks, they just want to be free to talk about home. When a straight man receives a photo of his girl friend back home, he may choose to put it someplace where he can see it each day. A gay man may have the same desire, but he does not have the same right. Why?

Your wrong. My military experience has seen just the opposite. You’ve never been in the military so you like many other civilians don’t have a clue. The military is not a 9 to 5 job like in the civilian world. There is a lot more at state here.

So what you are saying is that lesbian women in the military can and do have pictures of their significant other in their wallet or on their night stand.

From crystal: “military experience has seen just the opposite.”

It would be for a fearful coward. Why didn’t you report those you gripe about? Either you are a coward or you are lying about the experience.

Which is it? Please answer the question as has been demanded of me so often. Or aren’t christians accountable to anyone about their hateful abusive god?

Rob

chrystal says: “Guess what, it takes male and female to pro-create.”

So I conclude that any military person injured so they can’t have kids are out of the military.

Also, any post-menopausal woman can’t marry.

Anyone who for one reason or another your christian god makes stirle for any reason has to go for reduced rights in America.

How christian of you crystal.

Rob

Shut up, moron! You don’t know anything about God and would like it if there were not Christians in this great country, which, by the way, were founded on Christian principles. You’re just an antagonist and have no intelligence whatsoever. Cite your sources! I got one for you dealing with the libs and conservatives:

Ecclisiastes 10 verse 2
The wise man keeps his heart in his right hand, but the fool keeps his heart in his left.

Get the picture? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

and the coward is soooooo abusive in his hateful christian god’s name.

At least I ain’t afraid all the time of an abusive god.

Goddess Bless America!

Rob

Robert, please don’t speak on Black people. You’re too stupid. Black men were being DRAFTED. Do you know the meaning of drafted? It’s one thing to draft someone and treat them like crap. It’s another thing to force yourself into the military and expect everyone to bow down to your deviant behavior.

Black people are black. It’s not a behavior.

And I’ll bet christanity is your excuse for your bigoted hateful behavior.

Rob

And I’ll bet these postings that are anti gay are an affront to your boyfriend, thus causing you to behave a certain way also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

The truth comes out. You are anti-Obama and this is another issue that drives those urges.

“Stop the homsexual assult on our military forces.” General John Amos. Are you going to say that a 4 star general in the Marines is wrong in what he said? Remember what Obama bin Laden said during his campaigning about hope?

“He that lives on hope will die fasting.” Benjamin Franklin.

I guess you libs are starving to death about now, aren’t you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai,
He and roberta both might say it, but not to his face!!!

Put that bigoted general in front of me and I’ll tell him face to face.

Hate isn’t excused by rank.

Rob

How christian of you crystal.

Rob

Hey moron, what if Crystal wasn’t a Christian? What if she was an atheist? Would you say how atheist of you? What if she was a muslim? Would you say something about ahhah? As I’ve posted earlier, more than just Christian oppose this kind of lifestyle. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Whatever belief she us using to justify killing gays is perverted and a misuse of that.

So, samurai, once again your creepy justification for your christian abuse of others falls short.

In Goddess we Trust,

Rob

If Christians are so much better than Muslims then why do you make that comparison with them. Do you secretly want to kill homosexuals like they do? Maybe you also side with African Muslim nations who want to legalize the killing of gays?

No, but in the barracks we were bullied by lesbians. All of us were (not just one or two women). They behaved like a street gang. It was a nightmare living around them. I ended up with a lesbian roommate and couldn’t even get dressed in the room. None of the women in the barracks deserved to be forced to live in that condition. It was awful. This was before DADT and eventually many of them were discharged. I served honorably in the Navy, and got out of the Navy when my time was up, and nobody has ever forced me to live with lesbians ever again. I wouldn’t force anyone to have to live like that.

Sounds like there was a serious breakdown of discipline and honor in your unit. The vast majority of our military is professional and have the capacity to make this work – even better than how other country’s have been able to do.

First and foremost, this was not a unit. This was the Navy and the barracks in this situation consisted of Navy women (on one floor) who worked in different areas of D.C. Again, you’ve never been in a barracks situation (your comment makes this obvious). This was on AFB on the outskirts of Washington D.C. Your definition of breakdown is incorrect since this was not a unit. All barracks do not consist of one unit. Why am I trying to explain the workings of the military to you?

One barracks’ can have 2 or 3 complete platoons.

Oh Christal… You’ve finally come upwith a clue!

“This was on AFB on the outskirts of Washington D.C.”

That has to be Blanchard Barracs on Bolling AFB. Mess hall on one side, EM club on the other. Most of the Navy folks there were at NPC. So… odds are high on PH something.

But then, maybe you are still lying about the lesbians. Mostly they are in a very small minority. You had to really be a coward not to at least report the alleged abuse.

I still think you are lying.

Rob

Awww crystal: “No, but in the barracks we were bullied by lesbians. All of us were (not just one or two women).”

Tough WAVES couldn’t take care of a few dykes? That’s like a buch of tough christian army guys are afraid because the gay person might see their pee pee.

Sheesh, how little you think of straight folks in the military that they are too much of a coward to tell a gay person no and make it stic.

I have found most bullies to be cowards when they are stood up to. The rest are outright crazy and can be provoked to start something and get themselves smashed. You would be amazed at how easy it is to get them all wound up while being reasonable. They are reduced to name calling and then try a sucker punch. Then for some reason they find themselves on the floor. The best part about it is that if an officer is watching he sees someone who is talking quietly, reasonably, and not in any way threatening. And then the cowardly bully (often they are known as such by most) is on the floor with a bunch of people laughing and cheering. I lot a lot of drinks bought for me that way.

Rob

Wow roberta, what did you do hit him with your purse??? I’m sure he was real impressed with that!

Another lie from Joe H. who doesn’t make any points but snipes and tries to swift boat.

Rob

He does what he’s good at and always throws in an extra insult for good measure. Must have been the class clown.

You need to start using your “Spell Checker.”

I do very well with spells, thank you crystal.

For some reason the checker doesn’t work on this forum.

NOW do you want to comment on the issues brought up, or is sniping your christian way of dealing with things.

Rob

wow ctystal! Aren’t you just amazed with roberta’s quick wit and fearful cuts??? why if I was a lesser man, I’d be cowering in fear! I am in fear, fear of his brain farts!!!

Again not dealing with issues, huh Joe?

Seems like a cowardly way to make a point. Name calling, swift boating, and then claim it’s all OK in the name of your hateful christian god.

Wow!

BTW, can you get crystal to come up with a rating and rank? And while you are at it can you get her to admit that she was a christian coward for not reporting the abuse she claims?

Rob

No we don’t. The lies came from the homosexual side. If you had done any research, you would have seen that the homosexual side raised more money. Kinetic, everytime you respond your facts are wrong.

From crystal: “The lies came from the homosexual side.”

Really. Can you show us one on You Tube or some other publication?

Rob

Can you, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Go watch some of the anti-gay garbage: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/09/anti-gay-auditions-actors_n_185029.html

Rob

Kinetic1,
Wrong, the reason why the same sex marriage of perverts bill didn’t pass in California is because no one on the left foresaw that blacks who came out to vote for Obama would simultaneously vote against sexual deviants marrying.

Not discrimination, common sense.

Common among whom, Crystal? Please, enlighten us with your wisdom. Save the Biblical prophecy and give us some good, solid common sense reasons why gays are only suited to the military if they don’t admit that they’re gay. Share with us your first hand stories of how a soldiers’ actions changed once everyone new for certain that the were gay. Do they really start to skip in battle? Do they suddenly go from bravely protecting our nation to hiking up their skirts and running away? Imagine the potential weapon for the enemy! Maybe all the enemy has to do is loudly accuse a few oncoming soldiers of being gay and those that are will turn and run, while those that aren’t will chase them down and shoot them!

As I’ve stated before. In the barracks we were bullied by lesbians. All of us were (not just one or two women). They behaved like a street gang. It was a nightmare living around them. I ended up with a lesbian roommate and couldn’t even get dressed in the room. None of the women in the barracks deserved to be forced to live in that condition. It was awful. This was before DADT and eventually many of them were discharged. I served honorably in the Navy, and got out of the Navy when my time was up, and nobody has ever forced me to live with lesbians ever again. I wouldn’t force anyone to have to live like that and you shouldn’t either.

Again Kinetic, if you have never served you usually don’t get it.

Shucks Crystal, you claim: ” I served honorably in the Navy,”

Rate, rank, where did you serve… PROVE you were in the military and have the basis to make up stories that might be believed. After all, you implied that I wasn’t in the military.

Oh, I get it… Folks are supposed to believe you when you say you were in and believe you when you claim others weren’t. How christian of you crystal.

BTW, I don’t believe your story about lesbians. There are plenty of ways to report, be protected, and get them tossed out of the military. Sadly if you were in you were too much of a coward to actually DO what you claim might be right to report the sinners (which it isn’t).

Rob

Robert,

The USA is to gay friendly. Them gay people are going to get us straight persons killed.

Hey, I wouldn’t serve in the military right now, it’s too gay. Anyhow, I’m 4F because I’m crazy. It’s all you liberals who made me this way. All them baby killing gay liberals passing around Aids to everyone. Wait, I got to take my Effexor….

Hey, If all the gays join the military – they will probably all get killed off …. then no more homosexual problems …

Victor,
They could always put them on the front lines in a muslim country!!!! We ALL know what the outcome of that would be!!!

More advocacy from Joe wishing gays to die. Your hateful god must be so proud of you.

Rob

You obviously haven’t been in the military.

Actually I have, but around here if one doesn’t meet your crummy stereotype one can’t be an American so military service is denied to those who don’t agree with you. Look at the lies of a decorated war hero, John Kerry, to understand.

Swift Boating as it is done by the extreme right is just dirty lying politics.

Rob

Most military folks are very tolerant of others and accepting of all who serve amongst them. They will support anyone who stands tall in the defense of America. Most of this bickering is happening on the outside trying to influence our soldiers. When most troops just want someone there who will support them in time of war or friendship. They don’t need anyone telling them to go around hating someone else.

Edduh, you haven’t been in the military recently have you? There are many reports of when soldiers find out there is a “gay” person in their barracks, the MP’s have to be called to protect them from their fellow soldiers. Sometimes, they arrive too late and the soldier in question is severely injured or dead. I’ve known it to happen. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

roberta,
Perhaps YOU were one that were FOUND OUT????? The navy guys I know would have keel hauled your azz!!

Ahhh yes, Joe. Another advocacy for KILLING in the name of your hateful god.

Rob

That has always been Joe’s style.

Frag away ! The straight soldiers don’t want to die …

This God was never white, brutal, or hateful. Your problem is that you want everyone to hate God and bow down to sodomites.

Pray for him

Check out: Jeremiah 4:11-12, 22-28; Exodus 32:7-14; 1 Timothy 1:12-17; Luke 15:1-10

Rob

Trying to use the Bible to justify your lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxist views again? Remember moron, if you add a different meaning to what is actually said, you increase your punishment before the Lord Almighty when you die. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai; Dang you can be hateful! Robert posted several Bible verses where God encouraged the killing of women and children and all you come up with is more slander about liberals…..and what’s with this calling everyone a moron.That get’s really old! God won’t be as pleased with you as you think.

Robert Smith,

Howdy doody gay dude. I don’t agree with Fred Phelps demonstrating at them military funerals, but his message about homosexuality is right. We are probably involved in all these almost no win wars because of gay toleration. Alot of good straight christian soldiers are probably coming back in body bags -dead – because of homosexual “rights”.

If you want to win you need the Christian God (The God of gods) on your side when you fight. SO the right thing to do is get rid of all the gays in the military. Why tolerate it ? who wants to die!

From Viktor Leben: “If you want to win you need the Christian God (The God of gods) on your side when you fight.”

Nope. I have absolutely no interest in your hateful god of all gods.

It’s sad to see a pack of his thugs, oops sheep” bullying, threatening, and taking freedoms away from other human beings.

Rob

R Smith,

Don’t mock my God and don’t mock His book ! My God is the God of gods ! Jesus has given you time to change. You gays deserve Hell !

Roberta,
That’s the lamest excuse for justifying what you do to other men in the frontal position I’ve seen yet!!!

Quit lying Joe, I’m not gay.

Your empty claim because of my advocacy for equality in America shows just how perverted your hateful christian garbage is.

Rob

Not everyone is going to hate God and agree with homosexuality. Believe or not, not everyone agrees with your opinion.

Have you ever heard of Bishop Spong? He is a christian. Just google him for some information.

Rob

How can he be a Christian and be living in rebellion to the Bible? You can’t do that, rob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Kinetic1,

Let’s use a little logic. Gay (homosexuals) are going to Hell. So I guess there’s something wrong with it … right ? Saying it’s a sickness is an understatement …

Viktor Leben,
Hell? That’s a suburb of San Francisco, right?

michael J,
Yeah just SOUTH!!!

Actually you have to go through Intercourse (Lancaster County, PA) to get to Paradice.

Rob

Sorry, Robert Smith, but he’s right. My father was drafted in WWII. He told me they had a couple of homosexuals on the front lines and they decided it would be a great idea to start setting up house (on the front lines keep in mind), while everybody else was fighting the war.

An old war story from pa pa… Might he also be a christian trying to keep gays out of the military?

Rob

You are a complete and utter moron, rob! Don’t you think there are other religions that don’t believe in gays? My wife’s relatives are atheists and Buddhists and are against their lifestyle. Does this mean that it’s not just a Christian thing? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Still no proof, and no examples from you tube. Seems to me you are lying again.

Rob

Oh, on that Buddhist thing. They have as much variety as christians do. Some are hateful to gays, some are as loving with them as any others.

I have no difficulty believing that anyone in your family will hate gays even though hate isn’t a family value.

Hate is LEARNED. Too bad. Love is so much nicer and it doesn’t have to be learned.

Rob

That’s not what he’s saying at all.

Why don’t you clarify it Chrystal.

Rob

Roberta,
If you were in Viet Nam as you claim, you would know there were instances of worthless excuses for NCOs and officers that got troops killed that ended up getting fragged!!!

Nam era, Joe. I was actually in the Baltic. Remember, I pointed out the hormons coming in on the ball, etc.

Sheesh, why do you lie so much?

Rob

Doc Sarvis
ONE OF THE FEW thing you have said that is right why bring it up no one is saying you can not be gay just don,t tell it or do it,an,t nothing but a liberal VOTE getting plan vote for me and you can lick and stick in the open,dadt is working has worked and will work,this is the military not a gay pride thing,

It is an unnecessary institution of blackmale that is unfair to homosexuals who are serving in the military and keeping good people who want to serve their country out of the military.

Hi Doc,

It isn’t just blackmale. It’s a way for those hateful folks to bully others just because they can.

Rob

Then they should get out or never join.

Chrystal, would you say that if christians were the subject of discussion rather than gays?

At least there is little doubt that christians choose to be christians (at least for adults).

Rob

Sorry rob, but being gay is a choice and a person isn’t born that way. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

doc,
for you claiming to be a Dr and roberta claiming to have a masters, you both should know that Blackmale is a person. Blackmail is an action!!! I think both of you are full of the dark, dank, smelly stuff!!!

Samurai; Where is Sooks and your proof of that?

Your argument is false.

In response to Doc Sarvis:
See folks, this is where political correctness has taken us. According to Doc Sarvis, two men having anal sex is not perversion. If our society has become conditioned to accept and in Doc’s case condone these barbaric practices, you must ask yourself what’s next, beastiality?

Michael posts: ” According to Doc Sarvis, two men having anal sex is not perversion.”

It isn’t perverted. It is called “recreational sex.” For most of those who aren’t muslums or christians it isn’t a perversion. IOW, your hate is based in your religion. Hate is NOT a family value.

Without religion in the mix there is no reason to think about gays, let alone hate them.

It’s just another red meat for the flock of sheeple. And remember, no matter how “good” the sheppard, the sheep get killed and eaten or sheered. Religion for blood and money. Been to any good witch burnings lately Michael?

Rob

False: Homosexuality does not lead to bestiality

Robert Smith,
Since it is just “Recreational Sex”, why not practice on those sheep before you sheer, kill and eat them? Or is the ritual performed post blood-letting?

Disgusting non-human.

eddie47d,
When it comes to questions such as this, I always defer to experts in the field. So I’ll take your word for it.

This issue has been studied by professionals and have found no link to bestiality.

Or pedophelia like all those priests practiced.

BTW, I haven’t seen any condemnation of that around here. Is it approved for a priest to diddle a little kid?

Rob

Then why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah if not for their perverterd ways?

Maybe God didn’t like the wallpaper.

There is so much name calling, bitter remarks here. Nobody will agree and we are not trying to force our beliefs on you. You see this nation has lost its moral standings in every form from our teachings of our children in school to the government buildings all in the name of being politically correct. And yes the moral standards that you so down put are the same moral standards in which this once great nation was founded on IN GOD WE TRUST, no matter how much you want to try to change that or rewrite it. The military is the ONE thing that the government has Not taken control of yet but they have tried everything in their power to. They have cut their funding, they have reduced their pay, they have stretched their recources, they have overworked them, and the wikileakes has deminished their efforts abroad, and yet the government and others still fight what the majority of the military STILL does not want repealled. You and I can debate all day but this is not ours to decide this is the militarys decision and NOT congress! You see, when you take the morals from the military you take away the heart of the soldier. It is not for us to judge the person next to us, but we as people have to live w/some set of morals and character for w/o it how can you respect yourself much less expect anyone else to respect you? We run around blaming the government for the worlds problems when we first must start at home setting an example w/our own morals for our children yet when a crisis happens we seem too dependent on the government….that is a big problem….
When you question me about God I will tell you this, God does exist and he created Man in his own image and he created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve, and from this they produced children to inhabit the earth he gave us.

doc
And maybe you are so homosexual you wear tutus!!!

Hmmmmmmm “IN GOD WE TRUST”

That came along WAAAAAAAAAAAAy after “We the PEOPLE”.

That is REALLY how America was founded.

Rob

Homosexuality is a perversion.

For you, maybe – for many many others it is not.

It may not be a perversion to you Doc, But to God it is. One day you will face God. What will you say on that day. The Bible says that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. That includes you Doc. I pray that you get right with the Lord before your time runs out.

Voice of experience there, doc? Are you good “friends” with Barney Frank? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai,
Leave doc alone, he busy trying on his tutu!!

Among many other weighty objections to the Measure, it has been suggested, that it has a tendency to introduce religious disputes into the Army, which above all things should be avoided, and in many instances would compel men to a mode of Worship which they do not profess.
– George Washington, to John Hancock, then president of Congress, expressing opposition to a congressional plan to appoint brigade chaplains in the Continental Army (1777), quoted from a letter to Cliff Walker from Doug Harper (2002)

Rob

He also said: “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” So what’s your point? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

but they did appoint chaplins didn’t they dingleberry???

Yup, there are all kinds of chaplins in the US Military. Many are christian, some are even your kind of christian.

ALL are required to minister to folks in whatever faith they happen to be, including muslum, hindu, pagan… ALL faiths.

This is from the Vision Statement: Spiritual Leadership for the Army Family.

It can be found at http://www.army.mil/info/organization/chaplaincy/: Currently, over 2,800 Chaplains are serving the Total Army representing over 130 different religious organizations.

Rob

Doc,
I’ll give you three different definations of pervert. Doc, edduuhhh, and roberta!!!

MY MY it’s the good humor man! or is that the man of many lusts??

It’s all a commie agenda led by the usurper in chief and his ilk to bring down this country by what ever means possible including using the homos or any other minority group that suits its purpose. Once they’re done using you, they’ll throw you by the wayside just like they did the blacks.

All gays want are equal rights to get married and have benefits of every other American. How about The people say sorry white America are no longer allowed to married and have children? your rights are violated. And in such as case what would you do? Constitution Protects All Americans not only straight whites. Your acting like people did in slave days with blacks, woman’s rights, Chinese American immigration,and Native Americans own rights who own this country and had it taken from them.

joseph costa
gays have the same rights as all american to do as they want with who they want,mabe i want to bed 10 or 11 year old girls hell that is my right or say i want to bed your wife or child,why should you care,that is my right,hell i may want to bed you and wife and child ,an,t that my right,now where are your rights now,i don,t give a rat ass who or what gays do to each other,as long as they do it in private,YOUR RIGHTS END WHERE MINE BEGIN

OK then Marvin, aside from a lack of understanding when it comes to punctuation (gees man, enough with the commas!) what is your beef? If you don’t care what gays do in private, then why do you care if they serve in the military? Last time I checked, soldiers of any sex are not allowed to have sex in the fox holes, the showers or even the barracks. Why would you think that the military would allow gays to get away with it?

As to your analogy, our laws protect the innocent and do not allow forced sex with unwilling partners. That is the difference between sex among consenting adults and the sort of perverse and violent sex you proposed. It’s time to get over your homophobia. No one wants to stick their rights into your end.

joseph costa,
you should do a little research before you post!!! Native americans were the first to tell you NO MAN OWNS THE LAND!!!! This was part of the reason they were cheated somuch!!!

No No Noooooo Bill,

It’s a domino theory. When all males in America fall to homosexuality the it will be up to samuri and his wife to repopulate the world.

Sad thing is that they don’t recognize that for gays to change is as difficult as it would be for samurai or his wife to change into a lifestyle, unless of course they are homophobics repressing their own cowardly feelings.

Rob

JTalbain,
You said:
“Do you actually believe there is a gay agenda?”
No, not a gay agenda but a communist one. Gays are just useful idiots destined for extermination once the global communist plan comes to fruition.

WOW! Homophobia and paranoia all wrapped into one, neat little package.

Kinetic1,
Did I hit a nerve? Almost all users of the term homophobia are writing from a gay, queer theorist, feminist or liberal perspective, or a combination thereof. The word “Homophobic” was designed to wrongly imply the presence of mental illness on the part of the perceived homophobe, which is just textbook liberal spin.

Some conservative commentators argue that homophobia and related terms are a key part in an agenda to depict homosexuality as an equally valid and healthy option to heterosexuality when normal people know it is not. I mean name one normal/healthy thing about a man’s perverse drive to insert his member into the orifice of another man’s rectum, which nature intended for the expulsion of waste only.

I apologize for the graffic nature of this post, but I feel that political correctness has minimized/sanitized the vulgarity of these acts as well as the sickness of the individuals.

Clinton new that DADT was merely a stepping stone on the path towards the eventual openly gay homosexuals serving in the military. The missconception is that his goal was equal rights for gays. The repeal of DADT is instead a way for gay’s to legitimately protest policies and traditions of our nations armed forces in a way not available to those kept silent by the confines of DADT.

Our nations military is under attack from outside leftist lawmakers VIA ridiculous rules of engagement changes, budget cuts, deminishing salaries and the threat of being imprisoned for minor infractions that in the past would have been considered a non-issue.

And as if that’s not enough, now they are faced with the possibility of infiltrators, informants and traitorous leakers like PFC Manning, all seeking to create chaos and mayhem amongst the ranks. The gays think they are fighting for their rights, when in fact they are un-aware surrogates of the elitist leftist who wish to demonize and weaken our nations ability to defend itself.

Michael J. says: “Gays are just useful idiots destined for extermination once the global communist plan comes to fruition.”

Actually you should find out what the First and Second Reich were and how in the name of religion evil was done.

Oh, and check out the inquisition used by the church to fatten its treasury with fear and intimidation. Have you read the Maleus Malificarum?

Talk about setting people for control by evil christanity has been at it for over 1,000 years.

Rob

Robert Smith,
I get it now, you’re a Wiccan. The ancient practice of ritual sacrifice performed by pagan witches. In more recent times Wiccans have been at the center of mass suicides and the Waco Whacko David Koresh travesty.

I now realize that your post have been hinting at your true nature all along, somewhat akin to a criminal psychopath returning to the scene of the crime. You’re a dangerous sicko Robert (if that’s your real name), and I hope the authorities answer your desperate cries for recognition by apprehending you before you hurt someone.

Wow! You sure don’t know what wiccans are.

Can you show us ANY “mass suicedes” as you claim from the religion of the Earth?

I’ll bet you are gonna go on a tare against Pagans now so you can hate them too.

BTW, I have NOT stated what MY religion is. Quit lying about what it might be.

Rob

Everyone in Israel has to serve. Australia’s military is weak.

Can you cite your source on this moron, or will we continue to hear crickets in the background? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Do you really doubt that they allow gays in their military or are you simply taking an worthless question and pretending something is incorect? Are you really claiming that Isrial has a weak army?

If they are good workmen, they may be of Asia, Africa, or Europe. They may be Mohometans, Jews or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists.
– George Washington, letter to Tench Tilghman asking him to secure a carpenter and a bricklayer for his Mount Vernon estate, March 24, 1784, in Paul F Boller, George Washington & Religion (1963) p. 118, quoted from Ed and Michael Buckner, “Quotations that Support the Separation of State and Church”

Rob

25 countries allow gays to serve “openly”,including Britain,Canada,Australia,South Africa and Israel. Almost no one in any of these countries left because of homosexuals being allowed to serve. In 1985 Canada polled it’s troops and it was widely accepted and in 1996 British troops were polled with same results.No confusion or angst. When West Point enrolled women hundreds of men proclaimed that they would leave the service if they were admitted. Close to zero left the Academy. Self hatreds of others is not a reason to deny anyone the right to “life liberty and the pursuit of happiness”.

who cares is flat out wrong about George Washington being gay. I presume you are talking about the “John Crenshaw” letters allegedly discovered at Mt. Vernon.

It’s a lie. The mention of wooden teeth clinches it. It can easily be disproven by the mention of the wooden teeth. George Washington didn’t have wooden teeth. You can go to: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6875436/

Rob

I’m not agreeing or disagreeing but when I read your post I had to wonder who’s wooden teeth were on display at Mt. Vernon that they said were his. Man, you can’t trust anyone these days.

From the Mt. Vernon website, Facts & Falsehoods about George Washington, http://www.mountvernon.org/visit/plan/index.cfm/pid/808/

“Did George Washington have wooden teeth?”

He had false teeth, but they were not made of wood. As a matter of fact, the materials used in his false teeth were probably more uncomfortable than wood. In one set of teeth, his dentist, Dr. John Greenwood, used a cow’s tooth, one of Washington’s teeth, hippopotamus ivory, metal and springs. They fit poorly and distorted the shape of his mouth.”

The teeth I saw attributed to George Washington located just outside the “Replica Room” (a room that is a replica of the lodge room where George Washington presided as Master of his lodge eventually named Alexandria Washington Lodge 22 AF&AM, were NOT wood. That room does contain the chair that Bro. Washington sat in and many other artifacts that survived the original lodge location above the City Hall that burned down.

Rob

Again, I have no problem with your statements….just sad that I had lousy docents each time I went there – they must just want to propagate the myth – visits were over a 30 plus year period. Oh for the truth at a president’s house!

It was also God who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah!

Then it’s time to put God to the test. A strong Christian should be ready and shouldn’t accept any form of discrimination. The stench of prejudice has been around for too long and it must be ended. This shouldn’t be a question of Republican vs. Democrat or left or right. They should be voting for what is in the best interest of equality and not being divisive in pitting any American against another.

From Bill: “http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation.html”

That had nothing to do with folks being gay. It had everything to do with hospitality.

Remember, Lott offered his virgin daughters and then knocked them up after the city was destroyed.

Doesn’t sound like much of a hero to me.

What kind of a god would approve of such a thing?

BTW, what’s Gamority? Am I missing something, or was it the christian god missing Sodom by just that much on the first try?

Rob

God never approved of Lot’s daughter’s behavior. The truth of this is that after Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, Lot took his daughter’s to live in a cave. Lot’s daughter’s thought they would not ever know men and got their father (Lot) intoxicated. They went into their father. If you’re going to tell the story, go straight to the source. Also, where does it say God approved of this behavior. It’s time for you all to stop lying on God to suit your own desires.

I agree with Crystal. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

For Lott to not have recognized his own kin for breeding activities, particularly his own daughters, it had to be a mirricle for him to be able to perform that drunk. So, his god had to approve or it just wouldn’t have happened.

Rob

it was kind of like Oakland and San Fran.

Robert Smith,

How do you come up with the idea that God had to approve of the actions of Lot and his daughters? This was all personal and free choice and God had no hand in it what so ever. If you know the whole story you know that God was so disgusted with Sodom and Gomorrah that he set out to destroy the cities and everyone that was in them. Abraham knew his nephew and family were living in Sodom. He spoke to the Lord and asked if he would sweep away the righteous with the wicked? Suppose there are 50 righteous would he not spare the place for the fifty? God told him he would spare the whole city if he found 50 righteous. The dealing between the two of them continued until they got down to 10 and the Lord said he would spare the whole city if he found only 10. Unfortunatly there were not even 10 righteous to be found ! The two angels came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting near the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them he rose to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. He asked the angels to come into his house and spend the night, they said no , that they would spend the night in the square. But Lot urged them strongly so they turned aside and entered his house and he prepared for them a feast . Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.” Lot went out to them and shut the door behind him, and said , “Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. He then offered his two virgin daughters to them instead! But the men told him to stand aside. They also said this one (meaning Lot) came in as an alien, and already he is acting like a judge; now we will treat him worse than them. So they pressed hard against Lot and came near to break the door. At that time the angels reached out and pulled Lot back into the room and shut the door. Then the angels struck the men blind both small and great. They then told Lot to get his family, sons and daughters and son-in-laws and whom ever he had in the city and bring them out of the place because they were about to destroy that place, because the outcry has become so great. Lot went and told his son-in-laws and daughters to get out of the city because the Lord was going to destroy the city but they thought he was jesting . In the morning the Angels told Lot to take his wife and two daughters that were with him and leave lest they be swept away in the punishment of the city. Lot hesitated so the men seized his hand and the hand of his wife and the hands of their two daughters for the compasion of the Lord was upon him, and they brought him out and put him outside the city, then one said to them Escape for your life! Do not look behind you and do not stay anywhere in the valley; escape to the mountains, lest you be be swept away. Now Lot , true to his form, begged the angels to let him escape to the small town of Zoar, because he was afraid he wouldn’t be able to make it to the mountains! The Lord granted him his request that he would not overthrow the town which he requested but told him to hurry because he could not do anything until he arrived there. But Lots wife from behind him looked back and became a pillar of salt ! So it came about when
God destroyed the cities of the valley, that God remembered Abraham and sent Lot out of the overthrow. Then Lot went up from Zoar, and stayed in the mountains, with his two daughters with him for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. It was then that the daughters decided to sleep with their father seducing him after they had gotten him drunk. Both became pregnant. The oldest daughter bore a son and named him Moab, he is the father of the moabites. The younger daughter also gave birth to a son and called him Benn-ammi; he is the father of the sons of Ammon to this day. Now if you ask me the Lord had nothing to do with the decission of the daughters to seduce their father and it doesn’t look like it was too hard to do that. This is a decission of the individuals involved and not a mandate from the Lord ! You have to always keep in mind that we always have free will and make our own decissions. Just like no-one forced Lot to stay in Sodom. He could have left at any time but he didn’t ! In all the stories involving Lot I don’t see him as a person that makes real good choices. He even got himself kidnaped and Abraham had to go and rescue him and his whole family and group of people ! I don’t see anywhere , that it says God made any special agreements with Lot. So he did not take charge of his life but left him to do his own living. Now Abraham was different, he did have a covenant with Abraham and even Abraham messed up by listening to his wife instead of waiting on the word of the Lord. Because of that bad choice of Abraham, we are still living with the results of that bad choice ! The Muslims ! When we as Gods people make choices to live a sordid life such as they did in Sodom and Gomorrah you can bet we will come to the same end ! Look around you folks and what do you see?

Do you actually know why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? It had nothing to do with homosexuality. Don’t believe me? Then open up your Bible and actually read it–Ezekiel 16:49-50, specifically:

“Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.”

Devil Dog
and if you will read a little more about GOD he said it is a aboration for man to lay with man ,read about ,sodium and gomorrah and what happen,s,god forgives but never forgets,and if you think being gay is ok then then you do not belive in god,for god said it is a mortal sin for man to lay with man,

Hey Marvin, have you had a cheeseburger lately? Have you worn a mixed fabric? How many kids have you killed because it says it is OK in Laviticus?

Those are streight “abominations” from there, but the one for same sex is certainly twisted and open to interpritation.

Rob

Nothing is open to interpretation. It’s pretty straight forward.

Where does it say in the Book of Liviticus that it is ok to kill babies or your children? What Bible are you reading and which translation?

Hmmm, Are you the same Robert Smith that CLAIMS to be a Christian in other posts?

Sorry Robert, but only someone that is not knowledgeable in God would say things like this. You have misinterpreted what you have read. And I agree with my husband that gays are immoral and go against our Christian founding.

“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” George Washington.

“He that lives on hope will die fasting.” Benjamin Franklin.

The first one is self explanitory and the second one sounds like ones that like President Obama and his policies. Wasn’t one of his slogans when he was campaigning “hope?” I guess after what happened last month, the liberals are close to dying. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

For eggs, you sort out the killing of kids,

God caused sibling rivalry by favoring Abel over Cain, with absolutely no attempt at justification. This act of favoritism led to Abel’s death. Genesis 4:3-5

Genesis 7:23 He killed, intentionally, every man, woman, and child on the planet save eight of them.

God commands Hagar go back into servanthood and bear children for her master though she does not want to. Genesis 16:7-9

Genesis 19:23-25 God burns down a whole city (women and children included) simply because they were supposedly homosexual.

Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and that the Lord slew him. How was Er wicked? The Bible doesn’t give us this bit of information, only that Er was wicked in the sight of the Lord. Genesis 38:7

Genesis 38:10 God murders Onan for refusing to commit incest with his sister in law.

Exodus 12:29 God repeatedly tells Moses exactly what calamity he will next visit upon the Egyptians if the Pharaoh does not allow the Israelites to be set free from slavery. Then he tells Moses (also repeatedly) that he will harden Pharaoh’s heart, so that he will refuse to allow the Israelites to go, thus bringing a calamity upon his own people, as well as showing him the awesome power of the Israelites’ Lord. This occurs over and over, bringing calamity upon calamity upon the Egyptian people. What is troubling about this verse is that when god “hardens the pharaoh’s heart” he is interfering with the Pharaoh’s free will and ultimately bringing punishment on the Egyptians for something they are not responsible for. As a final punishment god decides to kill all the first born of Egypt. The lord reduced himself to murdering innocent kids when he could have simply freed the Israelites himself with his “omnipotent” power.

God punishes children for the sins of their fathers, unto the third and fourth generations. Punishing a child for the sins of their ancestors is not very just. Exodus 20:5&34:7

God endorses slavery. He even set up laws as to how slavery was to be carried out, and goes as far as Okaying beating them. Exodus 21:2-6

God sanctioned the selling of ones daughter. How can any being tell another to literally sell their child into slavery? Disgusting! Exodus 21:7

Exodus 22:18 God orders the death of witches, sorceresses and anyone who practices magic. Sadly enough, this verse was justification for the Inquisition.

Exodus 32:27 God ordered to be killed, 3,000 Israelites for no greater crime than worshipping a golden calf. I don’t know about you but death is a pretty harsh (offensive word removed) punishment.

Leviticus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents and death for adultery. Gee, with these types of laws the population should be almost nil by now.

Once again god is a homophobe, or at the very least, a bigot. Leviticus 20:13

Handicapped people must not approach the altar. Leviticus 21:16-23

Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shill ye eat.”

Leviticus 27:28-29 God ordered and allowed human sacrifices.

Numbers 16:27 God buries alive Korah and his family.

Numbers 16:35 God killed 250 Levite princes who disagreed with Moses’ leadership. He was so bloodthirsty that he wanted to slay more until he was talked out of it. Later he put a plague upon 14,700 Jews who thought there was something wrong in killing 250 princes.

Numbers 21:1-3 God utterly destroyed the Canaanites at Hormah as a favor to the Jews.

Numbers 21:27-35 God abetted Moses in utterly destroying the Amorites at Heshbon – “…the men, the women, and the little ones.”

Numbers 31:17-18 God commands Moses to kill all the Medianite people including children and women. To top it off he commands that the virgins be saved for later raping by Moses’ soldiers.

Deuteronomy 3:3-7 God ordered Moses’ army to “utterly destroy” 60 cities, killing all the women and children within!

Deuteronomy 7:12 God ordered the Israelites to kill all the people of seven nations. He even adds, “show no mercy unto them”.

Deuteronomy 20:16 God orders that we kill everything that breathes in the cities that he gives us for an inheritance

A bastard can’t attend church “even to his tenth generation.” As if denying an innocent child rights to worship isn’t cruel. Deuteronomy 23:2

Rob

From Jana who asks: “Are you the same Robert Smith that CLAIMS to be a Christian in other posts?”

On the contrary, I have stated many times that I don’t worship the same abusive god you worship.

Rob

Robert Smith
Wow, thanks for clarifying that. Hooray for you. You win the door prize.

Robert seems to be a person that only worships himself. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

sook young,
EXACTLY.

Hey sook, at least I know I’m real.

When is the last time you actually saw your hateful god?

Rob

Robert Smith,
Genesis 16:7-9. You took this passage out of context. If you were to read on you would see that Hagar was already pregnant. Those decissions had already been made by Sarai and Hagar and Abram. In Genesis 16: 11-12 it says that the angel told Hagar behold you are with child, and you shall bear a son; and you shall call his name Ishmael. Because the Lord has given heed to your affliction. And he will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone and everyones hand will be against him. And he will live to the east of all his brothers. So she was told to go back to her mistress and submit herself to her authority. You need to read carefully !

…and yet God created each person as unique? I’ve a little trouble wrapping my mind around that conundrum. But all people do have worth. I continue to wonder why it’s the sexuality of gays and lesbians that they incessantly bring to the fore front every time they get the chance, whereas one’s sexuality is the last thing most of us is willing to discuss (about ourselves or others we meet casually). I can see why many people are uncomfortable with someone who flaunts his sexuality so casually – I’d run from anyone who brought the subject into a casual conversation – and I’d be equally uncomfortable being housed in military situations with women, pedophiles, or with anyone else to whom sex was such a dominant part of his (her) consciousness. There truly is a time and a place for everything. It is my own contention that the military is not a sexual venue. Not only regarding gays and lesbians – but all military (after all, the military also has banned sexual encounters between officers and enlisted personnel, between supervisors and their subordinates, the list goes on and on. I, for one, hope that Don’t ask don’t tell remains in place – not only for gays and lesbians, but for all military personnel.

Im sorry Steve . I misread your comments. I agree with you. I apologize for my error.

You miss the point. If you want to bring Our Christian God into this conversation( meaning what is written in the christian bible)then it’s clearly spelled out. Homosexuality is a sin! This the why the homosexual agenda wants to remove religion from our nation. LET ME MAKE IT VERY GRAPHIC! IF YOU THINK IT’S NORMAL FOR A MAN TO HAVE ANAL INTERCOURSE WITH ANOTHER MAN IS NORMAL THEN YOU ARE SICK. I FIND IT DISGUSTING!IN NATURE OR IN RELIGION WE ARE MADE TO MATE WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX! HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT NORMAL!

From YELLING Joe: ” LET ME MAKE IT VERY GRAPHIC! IF YOU THINK IT’S NORMAL FOR A MAN TO HAVE ANAL INTERCOURSE WITH ANOTHER MAN IS NORMAL THEN YOU ARE SICK.”

What if a husband and wife have anal intercourse? What if they play a little 69?

What if they do anything but the missionary position?

Oh, that right, sex isn’t supposed to be fun but just for having baaaaaabbbbbeeeeeeesssss…

Sheesh, if people weren’t suppos to have sex why did you god make it fun? It’s like I tell christian vegitarians, “If we weren’t supposed to eat animals why did you god make them out of meat?

Rob

Here is my reply to you Mr Smith. You make my point. I assume you like women. Which is normal! and That’s exactly my point. What you do with your women should be kept private out of respect for her. We heterosexuals are not demanding equal rights to have anal intercourse with our female lovers. What you do with your female lover is your business. My objection is not what you do in private. My objection is the homosexuals who want to push their behaviour as normal and that we heterosexuals have to accept it. And that’s not acceptable.

“My objection is the homosexuals who want to push their behaviour as normal and that we heterosexuals have to accept it.”

Heterosexuals do almost everything straight folks do. I guess you were never in a barracs when someone came back from a hot date.

Most certainly straight guys brag. I’ve seen it a bunch and I generally don’t care unless there is a kid within earshot.

Rob

roberta,
Hey dumazz,
Heterosexuals ARE straight!! Proof read your posts!!

Ah, so if a boy and girl do anything together, or either of them brags, then it’s OK.

But if a same sex couple does something you don’t want to hear it.

Well, I don’t like to hear all the talk about gays being killed on this forum, but I pay attention. With all that religious hate I think it’s a good thing that you self identify.

Rob

Rob,

According to the bible Gays have only one choice if they wish to be accepted by God and that choice is celebacy. Male or female !

The book of Leviticus is part of what is known as the Mosaic Law (the Law of Moses). The Mosaic Law dos not, has never and shall never apply to Gentiles (non-Jews).

Furthermore, Robert Smith is correct inasmuch that according to the book of Leviticus eating cheeseburgers, bacon, shrimp scampi, and wearing polyester/cotton blend tee-shirts are the moral equivalent to gay male sex. Of course there are many that pick and choose what parts of Leviticus to trumpet about based on their bigotry–bigotry that has no place in Christianity.

Remember that God is Love–not hate.

sexual orientation is a choice; the other things are circumstances.

So is your version of christanit, bunner. It’s a choice. Hateful and bullying as it is you too can change.

Rob

Robert S,
The only one hateful and bullying on this site is YOU. If you are a homo then fine. Just because you know a lot of names and numbers for what you do, doesn’t make you right. What you do in the privacy of your own bedroom is up to you, but the rest of the world doesn’t need to know. Just like the rest of the world doesn’t need to know what a straight does either.

As I’ve explained many times, I’m not gay. Why are you lying about me?

And, who are you to even consider guessing? What are you qualifications? Or are you just another reich wing extremist christian who just buys into the hateful rhetoric?

Rob

Besides rhyming, SIN and SKIN do not compare. I DO wish people would stop using that faulty analogy for justification.

Why is it faulty, melatr? There are strong theories that gays are born that way just as those with blue eyes, brown eyes, etc.

Why are you so willing to discriminate? Is your religion too weak to have someone besides “us”. Does it exist to hate?

That’s not the christanity I grew up with.

Rob

Why do you keep posting the same lies that have been proven invalid? The DNA question has already been proven false. Why do you always lie about gays and abortion? When are you going to answer my questions from November 15? I guess you must be scared of women. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

You didn’t disprove anything sook young.

Let’s go to another source: “Scientists have said it might be that the mother develops some kind of resistance to the male Y chromosome in her offspring that makes subsequent baby boys more likely to be born gay.”

That’s from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3735668.stm

As for your little inquisition about abortion post ‘em again. I don’t remember all the garbage you spew on forums.

Rob

Sook; Where has the DNA question been proven false?

Reply to Robert Smith. Christianity does not condone homosexual sex. Look people. By nature , or religion we are designed to mate with the opposite sex. This is the normal standard.

Roberta
Show me where it has been proven beyond a doubt!!!

Hey joe, prove your god is even real.

All that hate in his name I can’t believe it just another excuse for bullying.

Rob

Robert S,
No one has to prove anything to you. To try would be what the Bible calls “casting our pearls before swine.”
I do know God is real, but I don’t know you at all, you sound like a phony and a real loser to me.

Jana; Robert is bringing more facts to the table than you are. Ending a conversation with only “I believe” and that ends it doesn’t solve anything . No reply would have been better. I’ll admit I have done the same thing before but I’ve learned it’s best to not say anything. You made Robert look right and yourself uninformed.

Stop dragging slavery into this issue. It’s not a sound argument.

Hey rob! Maybe you should check out this taliban guy. He sounds just like some of your postings. Are you two bunk buddies or do you read the same left wing extremist sites? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

By the way taliban, if you are correct in your assumptions of something being right, then that would go for openly gay behavior and abortion as well doesn’t it? Got caught up in your own trap now didn’t you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

circles in circles, winding the hate tighter and tighter.

Sheesh samurai when are you going to make any sense?

Rob

We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition … In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.
– George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793, in Anson Phelps Stokes, Church and State in the United States, Vol 1. p. 497, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom

Rob

You’ve been mislead rob, moron! Since you want to quote Washington for your own twisted beliefs about America, don’t forget he also said:

“Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall be forever encouraged.” NW Ordinance 1789.
Showing gay things in school are against what Washington addressed in this document. Why don’t the libs want ethics classes like we used to have? Maybe because the gay agenda is unethical. School prayer and Bible studies at school are allowed also, though on a voluntary basis. This also means that a middle school student in California wouldn’t be kicked out of class for writing “God Bless America” on the cover of her notebook.

“Virtue and morality is a necessary spring of popular government.”
Don’t we Americans want our leaders to set an example? Being gay isn’t virtuous or moral behavior. Ergo, once again, against what Washington believed for this country’s government.

“It’s impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.”
Self explanitory.

“Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society.” Where would the gays fit into this picture? No place whatsoever. Remember, Washington believed in moral, not immoral, behavior.
Let’s not also forget what our founders said about this subject.

“Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” Ben Franklin.

“I am a Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.” Thomas Jefferson.

“Unite their endeavors to renovate the age by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls…and leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.” Samuel Adams.

“I have always said, and will always say, that studious perusal of the sacred volume will make us better citizens.” Thomas Jefferson.

“….To read the Bible at schools. When not read in schools, is seldom read in any subsequent period of life. It should be read in our schools in preference to all other books from its containing the greatest portion of that kind of knowledge which is calculated to produce private and public temporal happiness.” Benjamin Rush.

The list goes on and on about how they said God, Jesus, Christianity, and morals is what guides this country and you libs cannot prove me wrong. All these quotes and facts cannot be disputed. Here are my sources:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTeb-tkas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haQgfb5Q0Mc

Sorry rob, but “We The People” arguement you always bring up doesn’t hold water. Gays are immoral and are not living by the ways God, Jesus, and Christianity says to live. Ergo, against what our founders wanted for this country. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

but those same laws will see that he forfeits his life before he is born!!

Gays fit into the picture as equal American citizens. The issue wasn’t brought up when the Constitution was written so that is irrelevant. The same with a woman’s right to vote and many other issues.

J taliban,
Then Abortion is not right as well is it???

Hey Joe, certainly abortion is right if the woman thinks it’s right for her. After all, it is HER body that is being violated.

If you had a visitor in your house taking everything they need I’m sure you would try to get the local police to remove them and failing that Mr. Smith & Mr. Wesson would be considered.

So tell me, how many unwanted “human being” will you allow to live in YOUR body if you don’t want them?

Rob

Robert Smith
did your mom have any kids that lived or were they all born brain dead like you,if i were for abortion you would make a great poster boy,as for god he don,t need me to defend him,he will have the final say,come hell and no water

Joe H.
Meet Robert Smith
http://www.paganspace.net/profile/bubreesa

Another lie from Michael J…

That’s not me. Of course there are many Robert Smiths though, I can see how easily Michael J. can be confused.

The Intrepid was decomissioned long before that guy was born.

He does have a good name thoug.

BTW, what do you have against pagans besides they ain’t in lockstep with your hateful god?

What do you even have against christians like Bishop Spong, who is pro-choice and has married same sex couples. He, and I, think he is very christian and loving towards humanity. BTW, just because Spong and I believe that christanty should be a loving religion doesn’t make me a christian.

Rob

DADT is not discriminatory. What’s discriminatory is forcing citizens of a country to adhere to immoral behavior such as homosexuality.

No one will force you to become a homosexual as you seem to be implying. Most porno and lust comes from the straight crowd and homos have enough problems in life. They certainly aren’t going to be out recruiting you so go out and live your life and let them do the same.

crystal,
I agree with you all the way. I don’t care what they do in the privacy of their own bedroom, the key word is privacy.

Awww Jana, you say: “I don’t care what they do in the privacy of their own bedroom, the key word is privacy.”

How many homosexuals have YOU seen have sex in public or on TV? Take a look at Univision and watch the heteros check tonsils out all the time.

Rob

Interesting Jana, you didn’t exclude that they can be married. That’s interesting.

That implies that you support equal rights. That’s a good thing.

Rob

Sorry James, but behavior is not covered in the Constitution is it?

“Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society.” George Washington.

Since gays are against these principles, their ways aren’t essential to our country or way of life, now are they moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Every man, conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God alone for his religious opinions, ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience.
– George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789, in Anson Phelps Stokes, Church and State in the United States, Vol 1. p. 495, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom

I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe that the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction. To this consideration we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation, respecting religion, from the Magna-Charta of our country.
– George Washington, responding to a group of clergymen who complained that the Constitution lacked mention of Jesus Christ, in 1789, Papers, Presidential Series, 4:274, the “Magna-Charta” here refers to the proposed United States Constitution

Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.
– George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom, also James A Haught, 2000 Years of Disbelief

Rob

Robert;….Yet even today religious disputes have and do disrupt society. It has been said that “all men are created equal”, yet that isn’t practiced either: with much discrimination to overcome.

Ah yes. I see we are still only posting thing from passages that suit your arguement. Not a very smart move on your part. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

ROFL, it was YOU who tried to use George to prove your point. But the truth is out about how George really felt. Get used to it samurai. Our nation IS NOT founded on your brand of christanity.

BTW, why is your brand so weak that you have to steal and lie about history?

Rob

Do you always have to tell so many lies and drink soo much kool aid?
FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You’ve gotten that kool aid thing wrong again samurai. I’ve posted to you several sources that it wasn’t kool aid Jim Jones used. Why do you continue to lie about it?

Rob