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A War On The Truth

December 13, 2010 by  

A War On The Truth

Julian Assange is public enemy No. 1… and possibly Time‘s Person of the Year. The founder of the WikiLeaks website, which specializes in releasing the information Global Governance doesn’t want you to know, is either a traitor, a spy, a terrorist or a hero, depending on who is talking.

The release of diplomatic cables by WikiLeaks has embarrassed the ruling elite. It revealed that they are a cabal of petty, backbiting, untrusting and untrustworthy tyrants, eager to do or say anything to have their way and grow their empire. And that embarrassment is at the heart of the public uproar that has ensued since the cables were released.

The latest is, in fact, the second embarrassment. The first came earlier this year after WikiLeaks published a video of soldiers using a United States Army Apache helicopter to slaughter two Reuters photojournalists and a van full of Iraqi civilians that came to their aid… yucking it up all the while. Two children in the van were also injured.

The leaks show the result of a secretive, unaccountable and over-powerful government; a perfidious empire that seeks to rule the world by guile, cunning or force, if necessary. And the response by the United States government and by authorities in some of the U.S.’s puppet states — like Great Britain, which arrested Assange, and Sweden, which brought spurious charges of rape against him — demonstrate the length the ruling elites will go to suppress the truth.

Truth is the enemy of a totalitarian regime. Fooling, lying, spying: That is the way of the totalitarian regime. Fooling, lying to and spying on friends and enemies, and even worse, its own citizens.

There are bashers of President Barack Obama who will say this type of behavior is typical of someone like him — a man with a Marxist background and big-government, pro-communist sympathies. There are bashers of former President George W. Bush — a neocon who allowed a false-flag terrorist attack to occur on U.S. soil in order to spur passage of liberty-crushing legislation and stir up war passions — who will say that Obama inherited this mess, and it’s all Bush’s fault that Obama is caught up in it. There are defenders of both who will say that they were only trying to “protect” America and keep Americans safe.

The truth is WikiLeaks has exposed the evil of all-powerful government. It has exposed those in power for what they are: Agents of an entity that seeks to wield its might and influence to gain more might, influence and power.

Most seem surprised at this turn of events. They can’t believe that their government  — the government that was designed to “establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity” — could behave in such a manner.

They fall in with the corporate media — Big Government’s propaganda arm — and follow the idea that America has been harmed by this treasonous Assange. They cheer at the thought that the U.S. Justice Department is investigating to determine whether charges can be brought against the man who simply published information that was given to him by a source in government — a source that saw an opportunity to reveal that the real enemy of the American people is their own government. And they cheer some more at the thought that Congress might pass laws that will make what Assange did illegal… a tacit admission that what he did wasn’t.

For the corporate media, it’s okay if it reveals state secrets it received from anonymous sources. It’s just journalism if your name is The New York Times or the Washington Post or one of the alphabet soup networks. In fact, they are complicit in the release of WikiLeaks documents. The truth is, major media outlets around the world are working with WikiLeaks to release the documents.

There are many of us who aren’t surprised at what the cables reveal. We recognize that long ago the American Dream was stolen by an evil cabal of foreign banksters. These elite and powerful players operate on a different plane from the rest of us. They function without a moral compass, playing by the rules of money and control.

The powers of governments from all over the world are now bearing down on Assange. He claims the rape charges against him are a Pentagon-initiated smear campaign and that members of the Australian intelligence community warned him that such smears were coming. There is evidence that at least one of the two women at the center of the rape allegations against Assange is a Central Intelligence Agency operative or has ties to the CIA. This would seem to indicate that Assange’s claim holds some truth.

The evidence is compelling. According to reports in the British press, the woman helped bring Assange to Sweden for a speaking engagement and invited him to stay in her one-bedroom apartment in Stockholm. They went to dinner, then back to the apartment, where they had consensual sex. The woman’s complaint stems not from the sex, but from the failure of Assange’s condom, which she claims was a deliberate act by Assange.

The woman is known as a militant feminist who believes consensual sex is rape and has blogged that women should take revenge on their ex-lovers and make them suffer. The other victim’s story is equally dubious.

So, two of Assange’s one-night stands who were either there to set him up for a fall or were merely unhappy with his performance have cried rape. And Assange was charged with sex by surprise, whatever that means in Sweden.

For this, a warrant for Assange’s arrest was sent to Interpol, the worldwide police organization that can operate inside the borders of any country. Assange never went into hiding — told United Kingdom authorities he was in their country, in fact — but the corporate media played up the “massive manhunt” angle.

Pressure was brought to bear on PayPal, which accepted donations to WikiLeaks, to drop the site. It did. Pressure was brought to bear on the Swedish bank that held Assange’s legal defense fund. He can no longer pay for his own defense. Pressure was brought to bear on the New Hampshire firm Dyn, Inc., that hosted WikiLeaks, and the site was shut down. Pressure was brought to bear on MasterCard and VISA and they ceased handling WikiLeaks donations.

The U.S. Justice Department recently shut down a number of Websites it claimed were illegally peddling copyrighted music, videos and other products. It did so in a broad sweep, taking down sites that linked to music and videos and sites that just mentioned other sites, a move that demonstrates the U.S. government no longer cares for the rule of law.

The Federal government is also working to give itself the authority to shut down portions of the Internet, just like the government of Communist China does whenever it decides there is a threat to national security. Who decides whether there is a threat? The same fascists who were featured in the embarrassing WikiLeaks revelations.

Many are outraged that Assange would publish the secret government documents, and his actions are being portrayed as an irresponsible, willy-nilly release of state secrets.

The outrage should rightfully be directed at the policies the documents reveal, the people behind those policies and the efforts of governments around the world to shut down and control the free flow of information over the Internet.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Joyce from Loris

    What a great article. It sure gives you “food for thought” on both sides. I have read other articles concerning this issue that say WE AIN’T HEARD NOTHING YET. Hmmmmm….

  • Mike

    The same people who are always supporting the “wars” to save our “freedom” are the first to assail anyone who tries to promote freedom. Assange is a hero who exposed evil and illegality in our ever expanding government. This, the government cannot stand or tolerate. The sheeple must not be allowed the truth and must be spoon fed government lies and freedom of information must never be allowed to get in the way. National security is always screamed but no one has been harmed by the release of this info by Assange and WikiLeaks except the government agents who have been exposed for their lies and deceptions. This is good for us, but bad for big government. A populace kept in ignorance cannot effectively govern and control its government.
    Only those favoring a police state are upset by all of this. I, for one, am not afraid of the truth and feel that the people in a free state need to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
    Once the government is allowed to withhold information from “we the people” there is no end to it. Government will never be satisfied until they control all information and all the media outlets, which they almost control now, with the one exception, the internet, which this “crisis” will now allow them to do in the interest of “national security”. Welcome to the New World Odor and Big Brother. Mike

    • Dan az

      Mike
      I think you are right on the money this could be very well called a false flag.This is the premise of removing our first amendment rights and shutting down sites like this.We know they are trying to do it and know they will use this against all of us like other countries have done before.

      • Lewis Munn

        Look at how Hitler controlled information, suppressing some, and adding false things to the information flow.

        But our Government would NEVER suppress freedom of speech, would they???

  • http://rorels@sbcglobal.net Lita Z. Biejo

    Truth must come out iregardless of the consequence. I have no problem with truth

  • http://www.box.net/shared/bt5uxqm113 Arcadia CA once

    If revealing the truth makes the government uncomfortable, I’m all for it.

    Furthermore it looks like wikileaks (which is a media site) was intentionally framed to create an incident big enough to motivate a change to our freedom of speech so no more truth and dissent can be put out. Have you heard anything about who gave wikileaks the documents, and how that government official who gave the documents to wikileaks had access to documents from departments he wouldn’t normally have had access to? It looks like someone else intentionally collected those documents in order to put them out. Shouldn’t that raise questions for investigation and remedy, but yet the focus is on a media company.

    • meteorlady

      No, because they don’t want you to know how or who gave him the documents. I think he’s just a setup and is ultimately expendable. The very reason we can sit here at our computers and comment freely is what’s bothering world governments. They cannot control that for now, but it’s coming. If they can illegal close down websites and coerce PayPal, Visa and Master Card into not taking money for Assange, then they will be after us next.

      • JeffH

        meteorlady, I think you’re more right than wrong.

      • ARN001

        I agree. I also believe that ‘restucturing’ of the ‘elite’ puppets will dictate just who gets told on…then they will try to silence the rest of us.

  • Pat Mason

    Kevin, learn the facts before you pop off as though you know what you’re talking about. Assange is NOT a “Foreign Operative” nor did he “Steel State Secrets.” And the “Hay” made was the GOVERNMENT’S DOING, not Wikileaks or Assange. Assange did not make up the VERIFIABLE CRIMINALITY AND CORRUPTION in these cables. And, don’t think for a minute that a lowly PFC is SOLELY responsible for these leaks. Trying to defend this type of government hubris (I would call it TYRANNY) is a fool’s errand, friend. What these cables spell out is a government completely OUT OF CONTROL. And people wonder why we’re in the mess we’re in these days. Wikileaks just showed them.

    • ARN001

      That is what he said, Pat.

  • 1Fearless1

    Beware of the powers of The Empire! If you do not agree with the policies of the Empire you are “Dead Meat.”

  • Pat Mason

    And for those of you cheering his arrest on ‘Sex Crimes,’ I will remind you that he has NOT been charged with ANY crime…,”Sex” or otherwise. It’s obvious to those of us who really KNOW THE FACTS of this case that these so called ‘Sex Charges’ are completely concocted and meritless. Most prosecutors agree that these charges (charges that were initially DROPPED)are nothing more than a ruse to get Assange into Sweden so that he can be EXTRADITED to the U.S. Once in the U.S., then he can be detained INDEFINITELY because of the heinous ‘Patriot Act’ that “our” politicians rammed through Congress. For those of you unaware of the ‘Patriot Act’ other than in name only, it is easily THE MOST vulgar and un-American piece of legislation EVER to come down the pike. Among other things, it claims to give government extra-legal powers OVER THE CONSTITUTION to deny both foreigners and AMERICAN CITIZENS their Constitutional Rights to legal matters. And this ‘extra-legality’ will be used against Assange. So, before you all go popping off at the mouth about things you don’t know squat about, I suggest you start getting familiar with this case, because whatever bad might end up happening to Assange, the rest of us can look forward to be threatened with in the future.

    • ted houser

      Amen Pat, that is the unambiquous truth. Unfortunately, there are so many uninformed and intelligence-challenged people in this world…that will never understand the truth!

  • Bob Wire

    hmm? a double edged sword and produce of the “Information Age”

    My guess is, this site can continue without any one person and putting thumb screws to Julian Assange is not going to stop these releases, But in fact might increase them.

    And Karolyn, people are usually considered innocent till “proven” guilty.

    • Karolyn

      I allowed my personal feelings for this man to outshine my real values. Everything I have heard about him, from several sources, do paint him to be an arrogant opportunist, in no way a journalist; and the guy just gives me the creeps.

      • ARN001

        So ?

  • Kevin W

    While I agree that our government is going to hell in a hand-basket, I do not agree that a foreign operative can “steal” state secrets from a PFC and make this kind of hay. The piles of documents released along with the piles that are supposedly standing by in the queue are the work of sitting politicians. These people purposefully released these documents since the safeguards on “highly classified” information are far greater than a lowly PFC would be able to defeat alone. The higher up on the classified scale you travel the more safeguards are in place such as two-person integrity, portable electronics free zones and computer permissions preventing such actions.

    The government needs a revamping where the current political class is tilled under, but not by the court of world opinion. The citizens of the United States need to rise up against the political class and return the duty of service back to a responsibility and not a privilege.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    Knowledge of Facts is a double edge sword. Knowing the truth you face the ugly reality, not knowing you are a schroom.

    There were official Reports that assured us that not one person had died as a result of this information. Can that happen, sure, but proving it conclusively would be nearly impossible.

    Bottom line is that the “world court” of citizens need to firmly decide if Freedom of Speech is a US thing or an inalienable right endowed by their creators…my only suggestion is choose wisely!

    Personally I could care less. If he were releasing secret technical information about our weapons systems, numbers, etc, I’d say lock his arse up. Releasing what one leader/diplomat says about the other or their plots & schemes..I say let it rip! they are over paid, over powered morons anyway.

    The steam roller of Globalism is destroying Freedom & Liberty around the world now more then ever. Seems thats a bigger problem.
    However, people are more concerned with themselves, their favorite TV shows, and plain old self survival, Understandibly.

    • Bob Wire

      maybe so, but where does knowledge set you free? and if it does set you free,~ free from what? For it’s seems clear, it can be a burden to carry.

      Information and disinformation has always been stock and trade as we all attempt to capitalize on what “others” don’t know on some level.

      We have learn to depend on what people don’t know to make gains and conduct business as usual.

      Revelations has always been a tough and scary read.

    • American Citizen

      If what he has revealed amounts to basically nothing much, why release it at all? We all know what politicians are/do anyway.

      • Bruce D.

        From what I have seen so far he just wants the glory and fame he might get from exposing confidential conversations that might embarrass some. There are those who enjoy that kind of nonsense. That is why the National Enquirer has been in business for so long.

      • Karolyn

        Exactly

  • Pat Mason

    Only the breathtakingly clueless or just your run-of-the-mill fawning government disciple would criticize the work of Wikileaks and/or Assange. Wikileaks is an INDEPENDENT NEWS organization just as much as the New York Times or Washington Post…,and Assange is the editor of that agency. What Assange did is nothing that the NYT or Post wouldn’t do (haven’t done). This is the role of Media…,to EXPOSE SUPPRESSED NEWS. The facts are that Wikileaks has NOT been charged with any CRIME, and for Assange and Wikileaks to be TREATED as such is nothing short of lock-step adherence to government hubris. Who in his right mind would support the notion that it’s A-OK for ‘Government’ to spy into every facet of a person’s private life, but it’s NOT A-OK for a PRIVATE individual or institution to DO THE EXACT SAME THING to the ‘Government?’ Where does ‘Government’ get such immunity? Again, only a hypocritical FASCIST would take the side of the ‘Government’ on that issue. And what kind of person would condemn Wikileaks and/or Assange for exposing the SHAMEFUL amount of CORRUPTION and CRIMINALITY these cables have exposed? Only a ‘Government’ fawning DISCIPLE…,that’s who.

  • atheistcable

    I agree with Barbara Humphrey–this was an excellent article.

  • VanZorge

    i have NO PROBLEM with the wikileaks. i can handle the truth!!

  • Pathfinder

    I continue to be of two minds in this regard. There are some things that NEED to be kept secret. Examples of what should remain secret are troop strength, supply routes, and times and locations of planned attacks.
    On the other hand, bureaucrats like to hide their misdeeds from the public by labeling their foul actions as “classified”. My hope is that we can find some way to balance the need for “transparency” with the need to guard vital secrets.
    LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS.

    • http://www.freedomspitchfork.blogspot.com VWmama

      I agree with you Pathfinder. Wholesale release of documents without safeguarding vital secrets puts us all in danger.

      • Wanda Murline

        We have been in danger since Bush set up the Patriot Act and Obama got elected to Change America to some premise that he sees as a future one world government. It won’t work, but people like Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Soros, Stern, Ayers, Jones…they believe that they can “Control” the world…that they will be the leaders…too much mushroom tea…they have left out a lot of figures in their math…like the Arab nations, China, Iran…do you think they are going to allow these folks to dominate their countries? I don’t thinks so.

      • Rusticus

        You clearly lead a rich fantasy life.

      • Lewis Munn

        Those currently in power ARE allowing Communist China to dominate us! Just read the financial articles. We have borrowed so much from them we cannot repay it, and they can call our shots and sink us even if they call in the due debt!

        The Liberals have done this, regardless of Party.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Pathfinder,
        There is one othertype that should be kept that way even after the battle and even the war in some cases. human assets that are native to the area in which the battles are fought. In other words, citizens of the country you are fighting in that assist your forces in the war. they are fighting for you against the government of that country.
        If the names become known, they are more than likely DEAD!

    • melatr7

      I also agree with pathfinder. This is a problem in so many ways. The TRUTH is always good to have, but then, a nation must have the legal ability to keep secrets that, if known, would cause harm to it’s citizens or even other nations. THAT being said, neither PFC Manning NOR (the foreigner) Assange had the right to take it upon themselves to reveal “the truth” (these documents). In this process, and I do NOT believe either one did it for altruistic purposes, they have put many people in grave danger. Additionally, neither one had TIME to sort through this mass of information nor the ability to determine it’s impact. They just threw it into the air without regard to where it would land. They should both be prosecuted- Manning as a traitor, Assange as an enemy of the State and a spy.

      Heck, we are in the middle of two wars! Something as simple as knowing when certain officials take a daily constitutional could be devastating to our troops on the ground!!

      Two wrongs do not make a right. Our government needs to clean itself up. We the People need to make sure that happens!

      • Bruce D.

        Well said melatr. There are those who believe that everyone who works in government is corrupt and evil. They push mindless anti-Americanism and fail to recognize anyones accomplishments and desire to do the right thing. There are legitimate state secrets as part of national defense but government should work out in the open in good faith as much as possible.

    • JRC

      Well, lets look what has been released, unimportant trivial besides one or two minor, minor points. Most of this is common sense and can be found on the internet anyways..if you know how to research and comprehend.
      In my eyes, this whole release of so called secret documents is staged and the reaction of government, the media and the reaction of the lemmings that are led by the government is so telling. This will be the reason our freedoms will be restricted in many ways…and I can NOT ever understand why people that call them self conservative, patriots,and real Americans can fall for this obvious setup and willingly dance the government dance to restrict our freedoms.
      There is a lemming born every second, and no they are not all liberals.

      • victoria blood

        Well said JRC

      • http://n.cates@cox.net Norman F.

        What reaction, JRC, other than going after the two perps? No government has reacted negatively toward any other government. Could it be that they were not really surprised by the negative statements made by other diplomats or officials? Or unaware of the actions taken, supposedly in secret, by those same countries?
        If, as it seems, they are all working towards a one world government, wouldn’t they already know those “secrets”? So, a few “outraged” remarks would be all that was needed before everything returned to diplomatic “normal”. It seems to me that the status is still quo!

    • Rick

      This is the very scenario that led to the fall of the Roman Empire, and later on in history, The Dark Ages. Go dig out your history books, if you can find any left in your libraries. All of the knowledge in the known world was wiped out with the destruction of the great library at Alexandria many years ago. History repeats itself.

    • http://deleted j.McConnell

      Didn’t Nixon use “National Security” as an excuse for covering up any Watergate involvement?
      If the release of information puts lives in danger that is one thing but if it is simply an embarrassment
      that is a different story.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You are correct sir. And thats what did this guy in. He went and divulged targets that concerned us to the enemy, and you dont do that. He brought this upon himself. But the governments sneaky double dealings in the back room definately need exposed.

  • Barbara Humphrey

    This is a great summary of the issues involved. Thank you.

    • Sally Li

      The article is cogently irrefutable. It covers all the bases, and does so in a way that is thoroughly researched, courageous, and logically sound. Undoubtedly, the documentation is as airtight as the construction and reasoning behind this. This is a great public service for the cause of freedom and truth. I hope our common sense manages to catch up with our Government’s technological ability to overturn it, at some point – and this is a major step in that right and proper direction. I agree with you – this article sweeps away the cobwebs of confusion which Governments and their plants are trying to tangle things up with. I feel better after reading this, as you do when you think better!

  • John Tapscott

    LBJ is reputed to have said never to trust a man unless you have his pecker in your pocket. Assange wouldn’t be the first to get into trouble by allowing his brain to defer to his pecker. Somebody’s got his pecker in their pocket.

    • Bob Wire

      Well, I’d admit, it seems they are trying too.

      Character assassination and attempts to subvert and discredit, coruscation, collusion standard operating procedures.

      Dominion of rule of law and all that it entails is brought to bear.

      You know, the same setup JC and the gang came up against in Jerusalem.

      “We know you are guilty of something!” “This “word” you are spreading is not working for us!”

    • Wanda Murline

      After being a young adult during LBJ, I can tell you one thing, he had his pecker in his ear most of the time. One of the worst presidents ever…made millions off the war in Viet Nam and would not allow us to continue bombing North Viet Nam, which turned that into a 12 year slaughter house and when my husband and others returned, they were spit on and treated like dogs, thanks to the Hollywood elist, Jane Fonda, a traiter to her country who should have been put in front of a firing squad.

      • Kate8

        Wanda – I agree. LBJ was ruthless and did much to set this nation on a very bad course.

        Jackie hated him, and knew he was involved in JFK’s death. I believe he was chosen as VP with assuming the presidency in mind, since JFK was far more electable. He did things JFK would never have done.

        LBJ was the beginning of “multiculturalism”, and removing free speech from right-wing clergy, to name just two.

      • S.C.Murf

        Way to go Wanda, keep the faith

        up the hill
        airborne
        Viet Nam 68″,69″,70″

      • Karolyn

        I learned a lot about LBJ and his philandering in my sociology class. He married Ladybird for her money and station. He was a very crude man.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree with everything you said. My brother and all his buddies growing up went over there, and not all of them returned. They told me of the horrors of being pinned down and bombed, with no assistance coming, and being told not to fire back. Some had rank, and told of having the enemy dead nailed and at their mercy, and were told to turn back and leave them be. Our boys were slaughtered over there for no reason, other than for LBJ and his cronies to line their pockets. Those are the war crimes Ive seen in my life time. Yet Nixon was made out to be the criminal because he bugged the dems headquarters. Wow, what a crime that was, and they ruined his life over it, yet LBJ caused thousands of our boys to die, and he made millions doing it. That was the real crime. And as far as Hanoi Jane goes, the liberal left wing hollywood idiots still do it today, as they attacked Bush for 8 years and honored and enabled the enemy. Thats why I wont watch any movies with people like George Cloony, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins and folks like that in them, ever again. And I mean ever. I havent forgotten 9-11, and I never will. And I havent forgotten those that did anti-American things during a time of war, and I never will. By the way Dixie Chicks, how did that fare for you?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Berberoni,
        They should have remembered this phrase; “Recieving friendly fire and returning same!” Worked real well for one of my pilots once!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I hear you. But can you imagine be a 19-21 year old, hunkered down in a jungle in a far away land, everything blowing up around you, seeing your buddies getting blown up right and left, and then having orders not to fire back, and being told no back up was coming? I believe they would have had to court martial me, because I would have had to fire back. I would have had to. Lock me up, but they shoot at me, Im shooting back.

  • Karolyn

    Julian Assange is a self-serving arrogant pig, and I hope he serves time for his sex crimes.

    • Sally Li

      This is so typical of the use of invective to pound this man into oblivion. Don’t you believe in the rule of law and due process? And don’t you know that false and politically or financially motivated accusations of rape, molestation, harassment, stalking, etc., actually jeopardize the safety of women and children and set back the cause of justice by discrediting legitimate exercises in prosecution involving actual victimization? The same is true of bombast and hyperbole and misrepresentations of fact on behalf of alleged or supposed victims. If the above is a case of genuine and sincere rage, which I seriously doubt, it is probably misplaced. The comment, at any rate, tends to validate what Bob Livingston (the author of the article) is saying.

      • Cameron

        Brother Dave Garner would be proud indeed of the confusing run-on sentence you just spouted! Find a copy of his recordings & prepare to laugh your butt off, no matter HOW big it might be.

      • eddie47d

        I agree with Sally Li on this one Karolyn. Rape is an evil act yet shouldn’t be used as a political tool to trap someone.

      • meteorlady

        If you read up you will find that he’s not really accused of rape – he’s accused of having CONSENSUAL sex without protection. Bit different.

      • Lewis Munn

        So I committed a crime to have each of my children? Is the government going to put me away for the rest of my life? Does this crime only apply to white Citizens, so other races, or illegals, can have children without use of condoms OK? Or is that allowed only if you are illegal?

      • Bruce D.

        I aso agree with you on that Sally Li. You are a wise person. From the information put out at this time rape appears to be very far-fetched. But it is too early to be making a lot of final judgments.

    • Chris

      A loyal, patriotic American would not assume that the person is guilty just because allegations have been made against one. That is for the law and a jury to decide. Luckily for Assange, you won’t be on his jury if the case ever comes to trial.

    • JRC

      Nothing polarizes people more than accusations of “”sex”" crimes, child abuse, or rape. The moment they are made, people but on they’re blinders and the person is guilty, period. Did you ever read the charges? They are so ridiculous that it hurts and the only country in the whole world who would even consider the charges is the socialist country of Sweden…where the most ridiculous laws on the books.
      Inform yourself before becoming a lemming for the powers that control the masses.

    • S.C.Murf

      What sex crimes? You have already found him guilty haven’t you. What ever happened to innocent until proven? Karolyn it’s time for YOU to make that popping sound!!!!!!

    • Dan The Man

      There you go again Korolyn. Take a good long look at this milk-toast
      meek limp wrist guy. Do you really think he could over power any woman? This is nothing more than trumped up charges to discredit him
      and put him in jail. Why not just blame 9-11 on him too.

      • Lewis Munn

        Didn’t Lewis Carroll have the Red Queen shouting for the execution first, and then the trial?

        Long tradition of that, it would appear!

    • Kate8

      Karolyn – You are a perfect example of how people lap up what the media serves out without bothering to think.

      Aren’t you one of the ones who cautions about rushing to judgement? Yet you’ve chose to believe one source, have judged him guilty and pronounced sentence without so much as a trial.

      You disappoint me.

      • Karolyn

        I have already responded to this. My reason for jumping to judgment is that the guy creeps me out, plus the fact that I am working for an organization in sexual assault outreach and am sensitive to the issue. From the bits and pieces I have heard about him, he comes off as an arrogant egotistical non-journalist.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – I posted this before any of the other posters but, as often happens, my post gets pushed further down than it should be.

        So, you are letting your personal emotions and issues cloud your thinking. So very liberal.

        Sheesh. I sure wouldn’t want you sitting on a jury.

      • Karolyn

        Fortunately, I never have had to.

      • Vicki

        Karolyn writes:
        “From the bits and pieces I have heard about him, he comes off as an arrogant egotistical non-journalist.”

        SO based on completely hearsay evidence of non-crimes you wish to judge this man guilty of some crime that is not even remotely related?
        How liberal of you. Please do continue to stay off of a jury.

      • Lewis Munn

        Judging by bits and pieces heard here and there?

        If that is how it is done, let’s send Obama to the firing squad. I’ve heard enough bits and pieces already. Off with his head!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Im thinking your probably right Karolyn, but I just dont know yet at this point. What seems to be pretty evident though, is that this guys pride and arrogance is what did him in. I dont know if he thought of himself as that powerful that he could do anything he wanted, or if he just got off on pissing people off. I dont know. But his downfall was of his own doing, and Im pretty sure he knew where the line was that he willingly crossed.

      • Lewis Munn

        So did our Founding Fathers, They knew it and even said they did, but felt the goal worthy of the price.

        But I think these days we realize they made a big mistake, freedom and all. Right?

    • Pete NY “R I P FEDERAL RESERVE BANK”

      I smell a troll. Would Karolyn really post something this dopey?

      • Karolyn

        I must admit; I let my emotional first impression get the better of me. Hey, nobody’s perfect!

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – I respect you for reconsidering. You are quite right. None of us is perfect.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Well, I think your emotions were guiding you in the right way. I think the dude is a creepy dude.

    • Vicki

      Karolyn did he touch you? If not were you there? If not why do you accuse him possibly falsely?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        She didnt have to. The two women he did touch have blamed him. And we will let a court of law decide where that goes.

      • Vicki

        He did touch them? How do you know? Were YOU there? You will notice that my entire point with Karolyn was her accusation. You and I at least seem willing to give him due process. My only concern is that due process necessarily requires truth. As others have mentioned this could well be a political smear attack against him.

  • Golf Pro

    God exposed the vileness of what’s going on. People all around the world, sick of the sickness prayed that God would do just this. Keep praying for God is watching and listening.

    • Andee

      Amen and remember, we need to help ourselves so he will help us; we need to pray with a contrite heart and an open mind so we can hear him guiding us…………

  • Tazio2013
  • Dragon Slayer

    Assange is a HERO. There is more going on than we imagine. I prayed for God to show the Government to show itself as it really is and put their folly back on themselves. (He did a good job, huh?) :-) I don’t understand why the military hasn’t done anything about it. They are the ones with the power.

    • Patrick

      I can tell you have never been the Military Dragon Slayer. The information that was hacked by the young Private and given to Assange and released on the Web, is a threat to national security and those involved should be tried for treason. The only reason was a monetary one and these people should pay.
      With todays hackers, the government should never put anything on the computer that may threaten our national security. Both Assange and the private should be tried, and Assange is far from being a hero.

      • GreatScott

        Mr Assange is only guilty of exposing the truth. If the DOD is afraid of what might leak out, it ahould have never conducted itself that way. the DOD, CIA and FBI are all guilty of crimes against humanity and you are defending them.

      • Gene

        And you are a MORON! You don’t belong in this country!

      • Vicki

        Government secrets protect the guilty far more often then the innocent. Tyrants love secrets.

      • marvin

        Patrick
        comeing to a movie house next,after obamacare go in to effect all your records will be stored on a server,so anyone can get them,like this youg gay solder,and no one knew or said they didn,t

      • meteorlady

        Do you seriously believe that a PFC had access to these types of records? I believe someone much higher up set this entire “crisis” rolling in order to gain control of the internet and people’s ability to speak freely on it.

        Next comes the banks – get control of the money supply and you have control of the masses.

      • ARN001

        yep

      • IMK

        It’s called The NEW WORLD ORDER!!

      • LifeRyder

        The bank? In case you have not noticed, that has already been done.

      • HWB

        i agree with you completely! How could this small fish have access to this.

      • Micheal

        meterorlady, they already control the money supply…it’s called the Federal Reserve Bank!

      • Vicki

        Meteorlady writes:
        “Next comes the banks – get control of the money supply and you have control of the masses.”

        Too late. That happened about 1913 as pointed out by several. And of course removing any backing of the “notes” in the late 60′s early 70′s pretty much sealed that deal.

      • Lewis Munn

        And the little thing in the Health Care that the Government has the right to take any or all of your bank accounts without warning when you accept Direct Deposit of Government checks! Or do any monitary business with the government online.

        Beware! It has been snuck in in these huge bills that are not put out where you can read them!

      • Wanda Murline

        Okay, I am going out on a limb here, but I read an article about the soldier who leaked all of this. None of the news medias are saying anything because of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, but this article eluded to the fact that this guy is gay and he felt estranged and lonely and that is why he did this. The article came from someone who is an upscale reporter, but it seems that this has been silenced. However, all will come out eventually, as the truth always surfaces. Oh, what wicked webs we weave, when we practice to deceive. The truth usually comes around to bite you in the butt.

      • Kate8

        Wanda – Estranged and lonely? Sounds like this guy chose the wrong career.

        This sounds like either a plug for DADT or a reason why gays in the military are a really bad idea. Soldiers are trained to be tough, not simpering namby pambys. If this is true, and he’s an example of what we’ve got defending America, we’re in trouble.

      • Rusticus

        They did it for the money?!?

        That seems to be the only reason the kool aid drinkers can think of for actions they don’t understand. Can it be because “money” is the only thing that motivates them?

      • Lewis Munn

        Can’t buy KoolAid without money!

      • ted houser

        What fools you hate mongerers are! Assange is a hero! Exposing the treason in our government should be the highest form of heroism. The real treasonists here…is the Bush administration. Bush lied, extorted and controlled the media in order to start the war in Iraq. He committed treason by outing the CIA operative, Valerie Plame. He said on national TV, that whoever outed Valerie Plame committed a serious felony…and that if he found out who did it, that heads would roll. Well, isn’t it interesting that since Cheny’s chief of staff, Scooter Libby, was the one prosectued for the leak, that Bush pardoned him. If that isn’t treason by the President, then what is? Not only did Bush start a war with lies, he is directly responsible for nearly bankrupting this country to pay for them. He has killed hundreds of thousands of people, both Iraquis, who did nothing to us, as well as thousnad of our own troops…yet you call Assange the traitor? Wake up you controlled fools!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Bush-Cheney-Halliburton, Bush-Cheney-Halliburton. Can we move on? Theyve been gone two years, and this isnt about them, or the terrible job Obama and democrats are doing. Its about Assange, and whether he stepped over the line or not. Thats it. Stay on track here.

      • Vicki

        An interesting thing I have noticed about liberals vs conservatives. During the Bush admin the liberals complained about the evils of bush et all. Now that their boy is in charge they are quite happy to blame ……. Bush et all. Conservatives at least notice the change in admin and stop blaming bush et all and are now blaming Obama et all.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I think that is a big problem in this country, that its always someone elses fault, and it seems on one is held responsible for what they do. Well surprise, surprise, Assange here is being held responsible for what he did. If only that applied across the board, but too many seem to get a pass. Obama seems to lead the way on that one, as the press constantly gives him a free pass.

      • Doug

        Ted the blower you are one liberal scum! Bush did everything by the books unlike your heros Pelosi Reed Oymama who are not following the rules. If all the liberals in the world were put in one place what do you think would happen?????

      • Lewis Munn

        Why do you keep picking on a poor brain-damaged (by drinking “harmless” alcohol!) person, when the one running the government was the VP! “Shoot your hunting buddy” Cheney!

        Shows the Fallacy behind electing the President and the VP as a couple.

      • Pete NY “R I P FEDERAL RESERVE BANK”

        WIKILEAKS SECURITY ISSUE.

        IF OUR GOVERNMENT REALLY WANTS TO KEEP OUR NATION’S TOP SECRETS CLASSIFIED, THEY SHOULD BE KEPT IN THE SAME PLACE THAT OBAMA’S COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS AND BIRTH CERTIFICATE ARE KEPT. :)

      • Vicki

        Good point! :)

      • Kate8

        Pete – Excellent!

      • Lewis Munn

        But that costs a million dollars a secret!

        Do we have that much left after paying all the pork, and special payoffs, to those who got special people elected? And the Union fees to “adjust” the voting machines to assure certain people their election?

  • Tazio2013
  • Vigilant

    And this: “The U.S. Justice Department recently shut down a number of Websites it claimed were illegally peddling copyrighted music, videos and other products. It did so in a broad sweep, taking down sites that linked to music and videos and sites that just mentioned other sites, a move that demonstrates the U.S. government no longer cares for the rule of law.”

    Mr. Livingston, you are apparently a proponent of an Internet that can engage in illegal activities with impunity. When the USG applies the rule of law to shut down illegal activities (as they would a brick and mortar operation), as well as a dangerous site that releases highly classified US secrets, how is that in any way interpreted as contravening the rule of law?

    • Pathfinder

      Vigilant : The procedure is known as “selective enforcement”. This is what happens when a law is only enforced on “enemies” of those in power.

      • Philroy

        “The Federal government is also working to give itself the authority to shut down portions of the Internet,…”

        Hitler is nodding his head in approval.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And even worse than than, if the liberals have their way, they will shut down Fox News, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and and voice that opposes what they want to do. When we lose the freedom of speech as they have and are trying to do, that is when we are in real big trouble, worse than what we are now.

      • meteorlady

        That’s what happens in CHina and other communist countries, they shut down portions so the people will remain ignorant and compliant.

      • Dan The Man

        Exactly correct Meteorlady, they fear the people will learn the TRUTH
        and finally realize its time to do something about it.

      • Lewis Munn

        The Bible even says you will know the Truth and the Truth will make you free.

        So people and organizations that conceal the Truth are preventing you from being really Free. Even applies to concealing college records!!

      • Bruce D.

        The procedure is known as “selective enforcement”. This is what happens when a law is only enforced on “enemies” of those in power.
        I agree with that pathfinder. Make enough laws so that you can get anyone at anytime if you choose to. Tacitus: “The more numerous the laws the more corrupt the government”.

      • Bill

        Right now this government bloated as it is and growing is smelling pretty ripe! How much longer till they pull the blue helmets out and start knocking at 4:00AM on our doors to take us away, lets see is that red or blue they take first and just kill. bet that day the internet will be down.

    • Sally Li

      The rule of law includes due process.

      • Bruce D.

        Yes it does. It will take time for this to al play out. It is an ongoing story.

    • marvin

      Vigilant
      the federal goverment will enforce any law they want, when they want ,basic differance, someone that is downloading music may be stealing ,but leaking classified info can start wars,and get people killed,my point being if a friend told you something in comfidence,and you told everone,you would no longer be a friend,as for enforceing laws illegal immigration is one of the goverments best none enforcement,why votes and power,

      • Bruce D.

        Marvin I feel the same way you do on this. If there is a crime expose it. If it is just dirty laundry than that it is in noones best interest to expose it.

      • Rusticus

        Leaking “classified” information can also stop wars. Especially in the U.S. where the media is an extension of the Military Industrial Complex.

      • Vicki

        I am not my governments friend. I am their EMPLOYER. They have no business keeping secrets from me. Especially as the whole rest of the world has good spies and knows all the secrets anyway.

        Secrets protect the guilty.

    • meteorlady

      Where was the due process when the shut down websites? Some just carried references and others were not even involved? What was the hurry? Why did they do it without court orders where they had to actually show a reason?

      • Kate8

        meteorlady – Think DICTATORSHIP.

      • meteorlady

        My very point – it’s getting scary…..

    • robert seddon

      And as the brick and mortar store is closed down, there are those of us that will stand in the street and purvey the same message and content .. the government may shut down one part of the internet, but , come on here guys and gals, are we not bright enough to come up with another pathway to take to that same end? I can have a stand alone server on my DSL: line at home and put data out THAT way..

      • Vicki

        Before there was the internet there was usenet. Most every unix/linux box in the world can still do usenet.

      • meteorlady

        There are ways, yes, but don’t we all need a service provider?

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Vigilant,

      You need to be more true to your namesake. Please do a little research about the Websites that were shut down. You will see that the government was overbroad in its efforts and shut down sites—with no explanation, no warning and no due process—that were not violating copyright laws.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Vigilant

        Sir, if that’s the case, then the purveyors of those websites have every legal right to pursue action in a court of law.

    • Wanda Murline

      I would like to know how Paypal, Mastercard and Visa were shut down due to peddling illegal music. We have got to rid ourselves of the czars, Obama, and the crazy corrupt elists in Washington, and we need to do it soon before they can carry out their Nazi agenda. They have taken over the banking industry (well it was already them and the banks to begin with…just a little payback for their election), Wall Street, the auto industry, the health care industry, the oil industry, the food industry, the transportation industry (TSA) (railroads and busses next) and have roving spy radiation vans, radiation body scanners, body pat downs, and wanting to implement new scanners to check your psychological profile before you go to a ball game, and soon to be at your favorite Wall Mart, the new spying TV’s at the check out counters to make sure you are not purchasing too much,all in the name of keeping you “safe”…bull. So what is left? We have not allowed them, so far, to take over the energy by Cap and Trade and the FCC is back tracking on their decision to do it anyways, our military who took an oath to the Constitution to protect us…this may be a real hard one for the communists, our guns, so far, free speech…but this one is imploding on us. I am 63 years old, and I have never seen anything like this in my life. Come 2011, we must repeal a bunch of these laws, starting with Obamacare, because if the people don’t take action quickly, we will be 1930′s Germany and you know what happened there…we will be slaughtered to reduce the population…these people are beyond their owns scope. I just cannot imagine when you are soooo rich, why do you need more money and power? The Bible says these times will come and the Christians will be persecuted. We are there right now. Pray to God for forgiveness and get right with the Lord as you time here may be limited.

  • s c

    Michael J, people who ‘know too much’ tend to pay a price for knowing and telling. This may be a case of comparing apples and oranges, but if you remember Daniel Ellsberg (Vietnam days), he paid a price, but it didn’t seem to be too high a price. People who are in elite circles have too much to lose by spreading the truth.
    I’d gladly settle for “elites” in religious circles spreading the truth. If that happened, the world would be horrified to learn what apostate churches have done to the world in the name of God and patriotism and “truth.”

    • sr

      So now it is the churches fault! Blame it on Christians. I don’t know how this comment relates to this story, but I think it is out of line. I don’t appreciate your anti-Christian rhetoric and neither would the founding fathers. This nation was founded on Christian principals including the 10 commandments. If you don’t like it, go back to Afghanistan and take BO and his marxist cronies with you.

      • Karolyn

        Did you know that the 10 commandements are taken directly from the Egyptians?

      • Dan The Man

        That is by far one of the most ignorant statements I’ve ever heard. Time to pull your head out of your *ss dear. Next time try to think
        before you speak.

      • Karolyn

        I did think.

      • Vicki

        Karolyn. You did not however provide a cite to backup your assertion. So here is another. The entire 10 commandments were written in stone by the Egyptian Sun God Ra who put them by the burning bush for the Egyptians to find. Moses found them and put them in the ark the ark was hidden then discovered in Egypt by an archeologist working for Hitler. An American archeologist named Jones was able to secure the ark and get it to the US where it was moved to Warehouse 13.

      • Karolyn

        Ha ha Ha Vicki! I got the info from a film called “Zeitgeist” all about debunking myths and following conspiracy theories as well as about the Fed, etc. Extremely interesting work. You can find it on YouTube.

      • meteorlady

        She is correct – they were taken from the Egyptians.

      • R

        Did you know that God never stated that a set of commandments did not already exist prior to giving the ten commandments to Moses and the Jewish people. He just gave them the ten commandments. So your point has nothing to do with the fact that the ten commandments is the basis for the christian faith regardless of its original origin or variation of such (such as in Egyptian writings.

      • Danny Buckles

        Karolyn where did you come up with that rediculous statement

      • Karolyn

        “Zeitgeist”

      • Kate8

        Karolyn, I watched Zeitgeist some time back. I’m wondering why you choose to take that video as truth over everything else?

        No one ever produces videos or articles from an absolutely neutral position. Everyone wants you to think a certain way. That is why it is wise to garner info from a number of sources, and then still leave it open to new input.

        Anyone can say anything. For every opinion or proclamation you can find several to refute it.

        You called yourself open-minded. I would bet that you have a particular inclination and you look for references that confirm it. Isn’t that what you say many of us do?

      • Wanda Murline

        What? The Ten Commandments are Egyptian? Me thinks you have been watching too much History Channel. The Ten Commandments were the rules for society created by God and handed to Moses for implementation. Where in the world do you come up with something like that?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Are you saying that because Moses was raised Egyptian? Is that your link? Moses turned his back on living the high life in Egypt, and rather chose to be a jewish slave with his people, and he was an instrument God used to lead them out of slavery, and an instrument God used to deliver the 10 commandments to His people. So your saying that they came directly from the Egyptians, is not correct. They were delivered by God to Moses for the people. You are in error.

      • s c

        Sr, if your remark was aimed at me, I have to conclude that you have very thin, and that you do not think it’s not possible for a religious faith to be apostate. If that is the case, hang, on, guy. Every major faith in the world is APOSTATE.
        Truth and organized religion are diametric opposites.
        Either you lead a sheltered life (so indicative of a public school ‘education’), or you let others do your thinking for you.
        My comments are not meant to slam dunk Christianity merely because it exists. ‘Christianity’ has done a first-rate job of doing that on its own for hundreds of years.
        Can I assume that you think it’s OK for your church to make a deal with the government and claim tax exempt status? If you understand the Bible, sr, NO ONE can have two masters. Government and religion are enemies, and any preacher, rabbi or other religious leader who tells you otherwise has made that choice. His master is NOT God.
        For your sake, re-read the Bible. Learn to discern. Sift, sort and test. Do you think this world gets more complex because major faiths are true servants of God? Show me a TV ‘religious leader,’ and I’ll show you someone who thinks business, money and faith can be mentioned in the same breath.
        Religion in this world has much in common with politics. Both serve the same master, and it is NOT God, sr.

      • http://comcast.NET 5224wd

        Well spoken man of knowledge. Is it not so that we should be on the “Watch”and more will be revealed at great costs as the AGE draws closer to its end. History (Biblical) has a Great Example of one who was ridiucled,tortured,and left to die for speaking the truth.Religions and Kingdoms(goverments)have one aim,Control, using whatever method is needed ,Infidelity semms to work for many(esp. politicans)the IRS had great success for many ,a Great Journaist had aa Fatal heart attack,planes go down,(even small ones,come to think about it….his Father was murdered in Texas, his Uncle murdered in…..,President Reagan ,a close call for wanting to bring The Fed under our control and on and on,soon the goverments propganda will convince us that Heros are Geitner And Ben BERRR And Rangle and Frankieeee and NancyyyPPPP,And Harry Reidddd ,Pres. of Monsanta,oor The FDA or Hailburton or BP….Lies have gotten us to the Bad State of Affairs ,,,Try the Truth for REAL CHANGE.SPEAK OUT NOW ,TOMMORROW WILL BE TO LATE. IF YOU KNOW TRUTH BE A PATROIT AND SPEAK IT …… and ,watch the Politicans PLAY HERO,

    • Kevin

      There are always a few wolves in sheep’s clothing. That doesn’t make all Christians or atheists bad people and not all churches are corrupt with an agenda.

    • Kate8

      s c – Wow. You stirred up a hornet’s nest with that one!

      I understand what you are saying about apostate Christianity. “Apostate” being the operative word here.

      Much of Christendom has become something Christ never intended, and is nothing like the early church (prior to Constantine). The true meaning of Christ’s teachings, and also the teachings of the Torah, were hidden from the masses in order to insure our eternal subjugation and lack of power. That this would happen is even foretold in scriptures.

      It’s time for God’s people to wake up and hear His Voice. Instead of blindly adhering to one of the myriad dogmas espoused under the broad heading of “Christianity”, if we open our hearts to His Voice…

      Anyway, those of us who have been here awhile know that s c is one of the best and the wisest among us.

      Just had to throw in my two cents.

      • Vicki

        First Principle. Your Creator gifted you with life and free will. How you use those 2 gifts and how you honor these gifts in others marks the kind of person you are.

    • Russ, 30 yr. marine E-9

      sc brought up Viet Nam and I thought of the biggest traitor of all JANE FONDA. Nothing has ever been done to her for her traitorous behavior. She sent many American service men to their deaths by her direct actions. If anyone really beleives the inforamtion put out really hurt anyone, it has set some back but they will get even, even if it breaks every law and maybe some actions that have no laws(as Yet). Any reason to stop people from thinking about what is really happening, watch both hands.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree with your opinion about Jane Fonda, but I would add that Lyndon Johnson is responsible for more deaths than anyone, as he escalated that war so that him and his cronies could cash in on it. That is vile behavior, worse than what Jane Fonda did, and what she did was terrible.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Berberoni,
        There is NOTHING more evil than what Hanoi Jane did! Do you honestly believe she didn’t profit from what she did??? Before those trips she was a two bit actress(not that I don’t still think she still isn’t) but after them her carreer took off like a rocket!! Just about 75% of the people under 30 were anti-government in those years so all of them would be hot to trot to see her, the woman who took on the government!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Joe, I said what she did was terrible. And terrible is not a good thing. She should have been black balled by hollywood and not even allowed to make a living acting, but since they are liberals, they wouldnt do that. But what Lyndon Johnson did, sending boys to be killed so him and his cronies could make a buck, that is just plain detestable. Jane is an idiot. Johnson was a murdering idiot.

    • Lewis Munn

      That is exactly why Christianity is so attacked. Those who cry “Lord, Lord”, but do not follow God’s directions for life.

      I see many in comment sections blaming Christianity for all the evils Christianity is against, confusing the hypocrites with Christians! Deliberately in many cases it appears.

      Insofar as WikiLeaks exposes evil for what it is, I am for them, and since it is those who wish to do evil secretly that seem to be hollering the most, it says WikliLeaks is doing a good work, and is therefore persecuted.

      But if good people do nothing, even with information, Evil will triumph.

  • Vigilant

    “The founder of the WikiLeaks website, which specializes in releasing the information Global Governance doesn’t want you to know…”

    You can’t have it both ways; “global governance” powers have been accused of sowing the seeds of chaos to facilitate their takeover of the world, and now it’s said that the very chaos they seek (as a result of Wikileaks) is inimical to their purposes. Which is it?

    • Pathfinder

      Although all chaos is equal. It would seem that some chaos is more equal than others.

    • http://www.americanteaparty.cc voiceoverlord

      If what Mr. Assange is doing right now is not flat out chaos-mongering, I don’t know what is, and chaos is what world-governance powers need to legitimize the heavy hand you will SOON SEE – be prepared, as this is their excuse for the coming lock-down of the internet. Get ready – you’ve been warned – better start your analogue networking techniques while you still can

      • Bruce D.

        Voiceoverlord says: If what Mr. Assange is doing right now is not flat out chaos-mongering,…
        From what I know about it right now I have to agree with you. He is chaos mongering and it plays well for those dealing in mindless anti-Americism.

      • Rusticus

        It also works well for the majority position. Perfectly reasonable anti-American militarism.

      • Bruce D.

        Japan is payiny the U.S. 2.2 billion dollars to maintain a base in that country. I do not know about other countries. It is not like America is occupying Japan. We could have let Georgia fall to Soviet rule but you can hardly say we are imposing ourselves on them or on South Korea. We can also allow North Korea to drop a nuke on South Korea and take that country over as they would have no choice but to surrender. The question is should we or should we not? For them America is not the bad guy that some on this site view America as.

      • sylviam

        For those of us that does not know how to network, will you please explain just how that we do this? I for one would really like to know.
        I am waiting til I know the truth before I commit my message, but if I cannot “network” then I guess I will never give an opinion on this matter.
        Again tell me how to start “networking”.
        GOD BLESS AMERICA

    • Vicki

      Vigilant writes:
      “You can’t have it both ways; “global governance” powers have been accused of sowing the seeds of chaos to facilitate their takeover of the world, and now it’s said that the very chaos they seek (as a result of Wikileaks) is inimical to their purposes. Which is it?”

      A but it CAN be both ways. Watch this video of how governments work (it is only about 10 min). Note in particular the path to anarchy and why that path is taken.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      The example starts at about 3:50

  • Michael J.

    Assange, who is by all accounts inspired by global leftist, will ironically be brought down by these same elitist. Textbook example of useful idiots being taken out once they have performed their alloted task. Having out lived their usefulness they become a liability because they know too much.

    • Thomas Clancy

      Michael J and Dragon Slayer,
      Good points! Assange is the classic scapegoat–very Noriega-like, or Oswald or the Ok City guy–all were recruits into a Faustian deal, presented as patriotic, that then turns against them. Of course, Osama was the great example, too. They end up knowing too much and are ripe for being demonized and betrayed.

      • mark

        Julian Assange is no scape goat. He brought this on himself. He did this for the money and that makes him worse. He is nothing but a greedy little man and what ever happens to him he deserves.

      • Bruce D.

        I agree with you on that Mark. It is one thing to expose a crime and another to expose someones dirty laundry. He knew what he was getting himself into.

      • Bill

        But in this country, the USA the [offensive word removed] stains on our national underwear are becoming more and more prevalent. I have mixed feelings, we have had things hidden from us a long time and I thing we need this, on the other side national security screams! but too so does fixed elections, we bust other country’s for this right, well its happened here just last month. Alaska, Nevada, Colorado, and just how many more. We have a president who will not lesson to the people dead set to destroy this country, a Hungarian billionaire who is trying to put a Scythe or Sickle and hammer in the hands of our government, A government totally out of control on spending and stopping the American rights to death jackboot stile, look at our airports, they allow Muslims to pass by untouched and feel up and take nude photos of Sister Mary from so and so church, what is that , afraid her bible will burst into flames in flight?? and rummer after rummer of FEAMA building prisoner or death camps as Hitler did? a president who wants to build his own privet army (sound like brown shirts) who pardons black panthers who are Illegally threatening people at voting booths and then declare how they need to kill some cracker babes! Augh right! and he pardons them, each day we see more cameras, more of the teachers in you life, you cant spank Johny for theaving or breaking the neighbour windows no more, if you do we will step in and take your children! now what the hell is that! and they wonder how come we got criminals, oh then they tell us we cant defend our homes and they look to be working, no actually frothing at the mouth to take our guns! and now they got the Hershey [offensive word removed] who want to teach all children in school there perverted way is normal? since when? Gays are an abnormality in all society’s not the norm. and they now stand up and say they should have first pick at jobs because there perverted? Hell No. THING IS WE MAY NEED PEOPLE LIKE THIS TO LET US KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING. We are not going to get this info from any one else. God knows we need something some where to start the long hard trip to recover from the damages done to this land by all those beating this country to death. I don’t care what your views are or who’s side your on I think at this point we can all say this country has problems, I say in my opinion the largest right now is getting the southern border fenced off. and do some exporting but others may think other things are more Important first, say the removal of a Socialist Muslim not born here person masquerading as our president which he cant be because he weren’t born American, But all have there personal agenda here, thing is we all have it. we may need him!

      • Vicki

        Government secrets are to keep the people in the dark and allow the tyrants to build their traps. The founding fathers KNEW this and tried to prevent it as best they could. The MAIN purpose of the First Amendment limitations on CONGRESS is to prevent them from legislating against a free press and free speech in general. By doing so they expected journalists to be able to publicly write about what the government does. The government works for US. They are our EMPLOYEES. They can NOT have secrets from their employers.

        Military secrets are useful during the short time the tactical battle is happening. Once over (short time is less than a month btw).

        Our forefathers knew that the military would be a problem only if there was a standing army. If ALL of us were (and we are) in the militia then the military secrets needed for tactical battle would naturally be secret for the SHORT time the secrets were needed.

        Our forefathers also knew that foreign alliances would cause our government to have secrets as that is the way of most of the governments in the world. Hence they warned us to avoid foreign entanglements.

        Now as to wikileaks and dirty laundry I find with much amusement that it is Democrats (and their diplomacy) that are getting their ox gored by this. The military secrets should never have been.

      • Dave

        I just want to say that Bill is s nut job.

      • DaveH

        So you guys believe that our employees, the US Government, should be able to keep any secrets they want from we the employers?

        “What good fortune for governments that the people do not think” – Adolf Hitler.

      • Kate8

        DaveH – I agree with you.

      • USNpops

        “brought against the man who simply published information that was given to him by a source in government — a source that saw an opportunity to reveal that the real enemy of the American people is their own government. ”

        So we should give a medal to a member of the armed forces of the United States who violated his oath of enlistment, and his oath to secrecy when given Secret clearance by the military. And his give reaso being that he is gay and does not agree with the DADT policy of the military.

        When I was in the military, and given Top Secret Clearance, I certainly would never have given information to a foreign national, no matter what I thought about the political Climate. This fellow is a traitor, and should never see the light of day again.

        There was an old saying in the second world war, and I think it still is valuable to remember today. “Loose Lips Sink Ships”. And this situation could very well sink some ships, or get some of our troops killed.

      • Ben little eagle Stephens

        David H: I also agree with you Most of the Bearueaucrats that hod and have held the government seats in Washington that have been in theses seat sence the graduated from College and couldn’t hold a Blue coller job if there lifes depended on it and all of theses people have been in office way to many years and the younger ones comming into politics have verygood teachers to show them the way to sit on there Arsses and attend a meeting occasionally and be able to vote them selves big pay raises at any time they want. and retire with thousands of big bucks given to them by there piers that voted to do this the people have never in my 80 yrs. of being a Cetizen and Military person that retired with a minimal amout just enough to bearly keep you head above water and these people get a big pension the rest of there lifes just to set in a seat in the Congress or Senate or house and half the time don’t even do this which they are paid big buck to be representing us the people this Man the have Assange im not sure of the writing of his name but all he done was use his god given right as a citizen of America he used the 1st amemndment his right of freedom of speach to show the people of America and the world what type of crooks set in the guiding seates of the most powerfull Nation in the World and yes he is definately being used as a scape goat for the crooks in the White House Starting at the very top a person not even American . The founding fathers of this country have there graves a mess as all the turning in them for the crooks we the people let stay in these positions we NEEDTO CLEAN HOUSE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM AS WE USED TO SAY IN THE MILITARY A CLEAN SWEEP FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. A very disgusted disabled Korea and Vietnam Vet. that has seen this country in the past 80 yrs, go from trusting the people of it to haveing to lock your doors at night because if you don’t you may not be alive the next morning and i am still here to ltell you as a child you could leave your doors unlock and leave your home for a period of time and when you came home nothing was missing and your home was secure and if some one did happen to stop byand you were not at home they may make a sandwitch and glass of milk but there woud be coins or dollers left on the table with a note of thanks. this country continues to go to the Dogs.

      • Karolyn

        Ben – Are you implying that people who have been blue collar workers are bette than thos who have never worked in that capacity?

      • Maya

        Dear Ben,
        I agree with you that people like Assange are desperately needed in America. He’s not needed where i come from though because most ppl in my country are quite aware of the dirty business America’s been running here. We know that America’s manipulating our government, that the CIA killed our presidents in 1971 and in 1980. Now the dictator who’s been ruling our country for the last 30 years has learned the lesson, he obeys no one and cares for no one other than the US and Israel, he’d let his own ppl die or starve to death, he’d destroy mosques and hospitals and emprison everyone on election day so that his own party wins, just to keep himself and his son after him in the presidency. America’s happy with him for all he cares. To hell with the ppl. People in Gaza are starving to death, they have no electricity, no clean water, no medication, Israel has kept them under siege for over 2 years now and he still refuses to open our borders to them just to keep America happy with him….. We know all that, yet we love America!!!! we eat American food and pay thousands to give our children American education, we’re still wondering around searching for that American dream, we tell ourselves that it’s not the people of American who do that, and u know what? we’re right about that.

        People like Assange and John Perkins are great eye openers for the American ppl. I’ve been in the USA more than once and I met so many Americans in my life and I can tell you that there are much more good ppl in that country than the few bad one who unfortunately control the majority. I’m sure the goodness of that country will prevail some day and the real Americans will be heard. The beauty and kindness are the only things I do remember about them. Yes the crime rates are high but that’s because your government makes buying a gun and ammo easier than buying antibiotic for your sick child!!

        I just have one last comment about your ideas about Muslims: one of the greatest injustices I’ve witnessed myself in American is how your media is brain-washing you to hate Muslims and believe that they hate you right back. I am from Egypt a country with a majority of Muslims, and yes there are ppl who don’t like American here cuz of what I told you above, but the majority of Egyptians are celebrating American holidays even more than Egyptian and Islamic ones.. the bottom line is: MOST OF US DON’T HATE AMERICA… on the extreme opposite, we’re an incredibly Americanized society. Now about the nude photos of Holy Marry … I don’t know where you got that really, but I do know that Holy Mary is the most blessed and sacred woman in our religion (Islam). We have an entire chapter in the Quran with her name, telling her story. In our teachings, we believe in Jesus Christ, Moses, Abraham, Isac, etc.. and all of God’s messengers. Holy Mary is described in our book as the best and most sacred woman in history of mankind. No Muslim ever dares to offend her, otherwise, he’s NOT a Muslim. These are not my words, these are exact translations from the Quran. A Muslim is not a believer unless he believes in all of God’s messengers who came before Mohammed. This is a very common misconception in America. I had a Jewish friend there who honestly believed that we (Egyptian Muslims) hate Moses and justify what Pharaoh’s did to the Jews.. which is the OPPOSITE of what we believe: In our book, Pharaoh is cursed and dammed, while Moses is God’s prophet and messenger and we do believe in him. Even more, we pray 5 times a day because of Moses.

        My words might seem unrealistic to you, but it is the truth, the ultimate truth about religion: All 3 religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam came from one God to promote for one idea: “Oh mankind we have created you in males and females and made you in colors (races) and tribes SO YOU MAY KNOW ONE ANOTHER”(Quran) not fight one another, not kill one another and definitely not hate one another… if only ppl around the world would get this message !!!! this is why we’re created… Let us stand up to this Evil elite and tell them that they’ll not make any more fortunes by selling their weapons and death machines, let us not fall for their lies that ignite hate and war.

        DON’T HATE… EDUCATE.

      • Vicki

        USNpops says:
        “So we should give a medal to a member of the armed forces of the United States who violated his oath of enlistment, and his oath to secrecy when given Secret clearance by the military. And his give reaso being that he is gay and does not agree with the DADT policy of the military.”

        He also took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. That oath was take FIRST and even if not it is the FIRST oath to follow. All the other oaths are contingent on that first oath. It is long accepted (if not popular) policy that any soldier has a DUTY to resist illegal orders.

        USNPops:
        “When I was in the military, and given Top Secret Clearance, I certainly would never have given information to a foreign national, no matter what I thought about the political Climate. This fellow is a traitor, and should never see the light of day again.”

        The decision to follow your DUTY to the US Constitution first is not one to be taken lightly. However can you explain how exposing the graft and corruption of the DOMESTIC enemies of the US Constitution is traitorous I would be interested in hearing your logic.

        Secrets beyond the immediate need of a tactical battle only serve tyrants and dictators. As Maya pointed out US Government secrets are not to the rest of the world. Those secrets are only to keep the American people from knowing what their representatives are doing to them behind closed doors.

        USNpops:
        “There was an old saying in the second world war, and I think it still is valuable to remember today. “Loose Lips Sink Ships”. And this situation could very well sink some ships, or get some of our troops killed.”

        Same rule. Military secrets are useful in the SHORT time that a tactical battle is to happen. After that the secrets only serve to protect the guilty.

      • Pete

        yes!

      • Karolyn

        Maya – I am so glad you posted here. So many have the wrong idea about Muslims and judge you all by the extremists. We need more people to come out and educate the people of America that Muslims are not all out to kill Christians! Thank you.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        DaveH,
        what is displaying these secrets slaughters say 100 or 1000 troops? does the end still justify the means??? These soldiers are innocent of any wrong doing yet they suffer a worse outcome than the creeps that made the secrets in the first place.

      • Vicki

        Maya writes:
        “Yes the crime rates are high but that’s because your government makes buying a gun and ammo easier than buying antibiotic for your sick child!! ”

        Since antibiotic for a sick child is available over the counter for MUCH less then the price of even a box of good ammo (Notible exception is 22cal long rifle) I presume you have been listening too much to liberals and not enough to the common sense you show by realizing that the American people are not bad as individuals.

        Ownership of guns by the people doesn’t create crime. Ownership of guns by the people DOES reduce crime.
        http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html

      • Al Sieber

        Dave, good quote, famous, true, and it’s happening here. History is repeating it’s self. “those that don’t remember the past are condemned to relive it” George Santayana.

      • Bruce D.

        Peope here are exercising their thought process. There are some whose arrogance clouds their viewpoints and believe that their though process is always superior to that of others so it appears to them that others do not think.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        After reading Maya’s post, I have to wonder how many billions of dollars the US have given his country to keep them from being just a third world wasteland? Most of these countries that have anything, at one time had nothing, and the US fed them millions that became billions, then they protest against us. Just seems strange to me.

      • meteorlady

        Maya – going to assume you are in the middle east. If so, maybe if your people would stop teaching your children war and hate you might be able to feed your population and live without death and destruction.

      • Lewis Munn

        I, too, agree. We need to be able to speak plainly, and have our own opinions. It is getting pretty Orwellian around here now with what we can and cannot say anymore. And how people with opinions can be turned in and prosecuted for their beliefs!

      • Andee

        I disagree! He has been put up to this by the left wing “elite” and he will suffer at their hands also!

        Nothing regarding the treasonous/seditionist acts have been amongst these leaks as related to Obama and his cohorts.

        One thing they are after is to take out Hillary because she could beat him for the Dem nomination in 2012~

        If we look at the leaks closely, they will point out who and what they want to be rid of or raise enough questions that we will think they are not behind all of this.

        There has been no mention from the amoeba in chief of action against him…that only means one thing..it is for “his” benefit and to throw Americans off key so they do not watch another attack on our liberties being taken away and right now, it appears it is our children he is after……as well as all else…Nullify this presidency and now…demand that from the House.

      • Vicki

        Though I do agree this is a setup by democrats to get rid of some of their embarrassments I don’t think it is to just get Hillary. Most ANYONE should be a serious contender running against Obama.

      • Marten

        HILLARY, it’s hillarious…..we need Dr. Ron Paul….

      • Greg

        Maya and Karolyn
        tell me what realy are the muslims after?

    • Sally Li

      I find myself in disagreement with the above post, because I believe in what you might call “pluralism”!

      • Bruce D.

        I am not sure what you mean by that?

      • Pete NY “R I P FEDERAL RESERVE BANK”

        She didn’t respond so I will suggest she means that any foreigner can be presidient of our country. Pluralism = the assorted many of all walks of life. I personally condemn her opinion.

      • Don

        So Sally, Do you have your ticket to leave the USA to go to one of the countries that operate like you want.

        YOU MAY NOT CHANGE MY COUNTRY TO BE A SOCIALIST COUNTRY.

        This country is built on freedom of religious practice. Not the socialist church of a government like England. This also generated a war with England to gain our freedom from tyrannical government. If you read the Federalist Papers you can understand the principles the founding fathers used when setting up the Constitution Of the USA.

      • http://foundersrevolution.blogspot.com/ Patriot1776

        unfortunately we are ALREADY a socialist country!

      • http://foundersrevolution.blogspot.com/ Patriot1776

        Here is the Socialist party platform of 1928-
        We are all good little socialists! we just won’t admit it to ourselves! ALL of these things except #14 have been implimented. I wonder what else has been passed since then that you didn’t think were socialist ideas? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t support ANY of these or ANY other socialist ideas. I just wanted to show how socialist we already are!

        Socialist Party of America, Platform of 1928

        1. “Nationalization of our natural resources, beginning with the coal mines and water sites, particularly at Boulder Dam and Muscle Shoals.”
        2. “A publicly owned giant power system under which the federal government shall cooperate with the states and municipalities in the distribution of electrical energy to the people at cost.”
        3. “National ownership and democratic management of railroads and other means of transportation and communication.”
        4. “An adequate national program for flood control, flood relief, reforestation, irrigation, and reclamation.”
        5. “Immediate government relief of the unemployed by the extension of all public works and a program of long range planning of public works … All persons thus employed to be engaged at hours and wages fixed by bona-fide labor unions.”
        6. “Loans to states and municipalities without interest for the purpose of carrying on public works and the taking of such other measures as will lessen widespread misery.”
        7. “A system of unemployment insurance.”
        8. “The nation-wide extension of public employment agencies in cooperation with city federations of labor.”
        9. “A system of health and accident insurance and of old age pensions as well as unemployment insurance.”
        10. “Shortening the workday” and “Securing to every worker a rest period of no less than two days in each week.”
        11. “Enacting of an adequate federal anti-child labor amendment.”
        12. “Abolition of the brutal exploitation of convicts under the contract system and substitution of a cooperative organization of industries in penitentiaries and workshops for the benefit of convicts and their dependents.”
        13. “Increase of taxation on high income levels, of corporation taxes and inheritance taxes, the proceeds to be used for old age pensions and other forms of social insurance.”

        14. “Appropriation by taxation of the annual rental value of all land held for speculation”

    • James Hay

      Assauge Is The Kind Of Ultra-Leftist Garbage That Deserves To Be Executed And Deserverves All Of The Mistreatment That Be Heaped Upon Him Along The Way. ThE Security Of Nations And People Were Endangered By Assauge And He Rightly Deserves To Die Right Along With SpecIalist Manning. To Excuse Their Actions Is Ludicrous And Ridiculous.

      • http://personallibertydigest bryans

        this is the way of thinking by the society who murdered jesus ! read the facts in the fact book. its called the bible. when a society considers truth to be treason that society is in trouble !

      • Karolyn

        Do you think this guy is really interested in the truth or making a name for himself and tons of money? It all appears to be a tempest in a teapot at least right now. Who cares how public figures talk about each other behind their backs? Does anybody really think it doesn’t happen?

      • Bruce D.

        It is an ongoing story so I reserve the right to change my mind but right now I agree with you Karolyn.

      • Kate8

        This is so typical. Something big hits the airwaves, and then we are fed every possible explanation so that we have no idea who’s actually behind it, or why. We are left to speculate amongst ourselves while government rushes to “remedy” the “threat” by clamping down more on our freedoms.

        We don’t actually know who this guy is, who pulls his strings, or what his motives are. He could be out to save the world or to help bring it down. Either way, forces are at work shaping our opinions to further agendas.

        The truth is…whatever the media says it is. And we have a dizzying mix of possibilities to choose from.

        Will the real Julian Assange please stand up!

      • DaveH

        Good response, Kate8. It’s good to know there are some thinking people on this site who don’t just swallow outright whatever is fed to them by the PTB.
        I guess there are many on this board that are more concerned about the embarrassment of the leaders, than they are about the taking of innocent lives by our military. What a world.

      • Denniso

        There are too many ‘secrets’ kept from the public,whether it’s gov’t or corporate power trying to keep the people in the dark. Most of what has been relaesed is just dirty laundry,but some apparently can cause harm to individuals.
        Remember the Pentagon papers? The Nixon Adminstration lying to the public about the ‘progress’ of the Vietnam war and what was really going on their…most thinking people now agree w/ the wisdom of Daniel Ellsburg blowing the whistle on the war,though it had huge repercussions,some very negative,for the U.S. Also, Assange didn’t steal the info,he only acted as the conduit for release. He may be letting his ego get in the way now and maybe going to far? He also promises to release damaging secrets from corporate cover ups.

      • Vicki

        Scary. Denniso and I agreeing on something :)

        SpecIalist Manning upheld his oath. The most important one. To defend the US Constitution against ALL enemies. Both foreign and DOMESTIC.

        Hopefully the Jury BOX will look at what he did and decide if he really was defending a free people or endangering them. As to foreign entanglements our forefathers did warn us to avoid them.

        Assange is guilty of nothing. He did what the entire purpose of the protections of the press are in the Constitution. Of course he is making money so I would expect those who hate successful people would turn on him.

        Tis interesting to watch the puppets dance to the pull of the masters strings.

      • Andee

        There are still too many Americans that hold everything this clown says or reiterates as “good, wholesome and will save our nation.” Not so…quite the opposite. He is leading us into anarchy of which when we emerge, if he has his way, he will be the Secretariat (remember this is what he suggested his first UN meeting), of the One World Order…………better listen to this guy, study, research and make your decisions based on your own knowledge and that, that can be garnered from well respected and honest individuals.

      • Lewis Munn

        Agreed.

      • steve

        You’re the type of right wing fascist who has caused this to be a problem in the first place. Can’t wait

        till your gung ho government has a complete melt down and starts sticking to fools such as you.

      • Kate8

        steve – Is this your way of saying that it’s all Bush’s fault?

        Lord, give me shelter. Sigh.

      • http://www.americanteaparty.cc voiceoverlord

        Kate8 – Steve’s misguided hate will suffer the same fate as will we all when the freedom of information is no longer afforded to us because of this incident. They WILL shut down your free access to information with Mr. Assange and his hacker minions as the reason and the lockdown will spread to ALL MEDIA and very soon – be prepared

      • Vicki

        This will be a sign (non false flag) that the first box is sufficiently compromised. It was partially compromised several time in the past. We will KNOW that trouble is near. We will KNOW it is time to recheck the status of the other 3 boxes.

        Box one is the soap box including the free press and free (truly free) internet.

        Box two is the ballot box. Some evidence of compromise (see vote fraud)

        Box three is the Jury box. Some evidence of compromise. Need to get more people aware of the FIJA and their duty as jurors to find both the facts of a case and also find if the law itself is legal (www.fija.org) Do not investigate further if you ever want to be on a jury again.

        Box four is the ammo box. Much evidence of compromise. Too many examples to quote. Look up the 1968 federal gun control law as compared to the laws passed in Germany before WW2

        Remember to watch and use ONLY in the order shown. However special circumstances exist whenever a serious attempt to neutralize any of the boxes is discovered. (The watchword would be “Clear and Present Danger”)

      • Vicki
      • Sigmund

        First of all Steve-o, fascism is a socialist movement, read that as “left-wing” political organization. I.e., Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), or Nazi’s as the western world referred to them.

        Conservatives and Libertarians want LESS government, not more. But you just love to parrot that old and untrue canard, and likely are a just another communist.

      • Andee

        I think one of you hit this on the head…they will use this as a reason to impinge more of our freedoms………..and, like the assassination of Kennedy, the government will be behind it…same with the Oklahoma City bombing years ago…another patsy…..same with 9/11 as Biden wrote the shut down of our privacy and freedoms in 1995 in the Patriot Act…they added to it through the FISA passed a few months ago…….see the repeating of how they are doing things anyone?

      • Eric Bischoff

        Wrong Sigmund, Fascism is when corporations/businesses take over by bribing and coercing our elected officials to do their bidding instead of ours. That is exactly what we have today. The majority of the American people did not want war but the corporations did. They wanted a public option and corporations did not. They want alternative energy but the energy industry corporation don’t. Who has been winning? Corporations.

      • Al Sieber

        Sigmund, Fascism is Govt. by regulation. sound familiar?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Who writes you a paycheck each week Bishoff? Ill bet its some company that does it. You know, the evil corporations you always attack. You know, the ones that pay 85 percent of the taxes in this country and give people jobs that keeps us alive and thriving. Evil, evil corporations. Must be a sad life you live.

      • http://yahoo richard

        if thats true you should include the ny times wash. post and jay rockafellow in that groupe

    • Xarcht

      I wonder why they can’t or won’t complain how he got the papers. It seems odd that it’s a property suit (female reproduction, really old school law) they need to quiet him. If he truly broke the law and stole or got them with spies then they would be willing to show the evidence. I hope this gets cleared and those that are embarrassed by the leaks simply go for those that let the papers out.

      • DaveH

        Better yet, let’s rid our government of the embarrassing leadership. They work for us. The only secrets that possibly should be kept from the citizens are those pertaining to short term ongoing military operations. Would any employer put up with his employees keeping secrets about what they are doing in the employer’s name? Of Course Not! And we shouldn’t either.
        How did it ever come about that the citizens have granted government the right to commit heinous immoral acts that the ordinary citizen would be jailed for? Are we just plain stupid? Government is people and those people should not be able to break moral codes any more than the rest of us can break them. We have created a society of criminals by looking the other way:
        http://mises.org/daily/4125

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        So far, from all Ive read and heard about the things this Assange guy revealed, until he started releasing the list of sites that the United States was worried about the Islamic terrorists hitting, he wasnt doing bad service at all. He over stepped the line in making public these things I believe, but I also think, that the terrorist probably more than not already know what sites they want to hit or not to hit. I think he push the buttons a little too much, and his pride and arrogance got him in trouble. And for them to seize anything and everything linked to him, is a scary proposition. I find it to be highly illegal, and an affront to freedom. I agree there are certain thing to be protected from our enemies knowledge, but Im not sure what he did was such a damning thing, but I do think he knew not to do it but did it anyhow.

      • Vicki

        DaveH writes:
        “How did it ever come about that the citizens have granted government the right to commit heinous immoral acts that the ordinary citizen would be jailed for? ”

        Power. We really need to get in the habit of speaking of the POWERS we have delegated to our government. Government has NO RIGHTS AT ALL. Government has ONLY the powers We The People delegate to it. The Constitution of the United States is the supreme and final short list of those powers. And it is a VERY short list. Committing immoral acts is not in that list.

      • Lewis Munn

        I get the impression that the issuer is letting the truth be known, not putting out false information. Is that correct? Truth should never be suppressed, and those who try to suppress ir are the ones in the wrong.

        If we know the Truth, it will make us free.

    • Vic Bailey

      Typical propaganda BS, he brought out in the open the dirty dealings of all that needed to be. We can’t scream at the top of our lungs that such atrocities shouldn’t happen, when we are part of it!!!
      Semper Fi.

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