45caliber, have you ever notice that when the Soros name is mentioned the standard liberal reply is the Koch Brothers? I just can’t help but laugh at them.

JeffH, I guess that’s all the ammo the Progressives have to retaliate with, so they keep reciting the Koch brothers.

AWb, that’s just it. Not saying the Koch Bros aren’t lobbying for their own interests, they are, but what Soros is doing is just plain treason.

@ JC

OK, JC. Explain your banking structure to replace the Federal Reserve System. Please no gold standards or other limited reserve schemes that will not be dynamic enough to do the job.

Dear FiredFriday,

Sorry, but there can be no discourse when you dismiss the solution out of hand.

Best Wishes,
Bob

Thanks Bob,
It seemed idiotic to try and respond otherwise to a question framed as to accept no logical answer.

Gold is the best way to anchor currency. However I’m not advocating that it is the only way. Any commodity that is required for use by people could also be the anchor or method of valuation for alternative script.
Anyway you look at it, if we are to have stability and prosperity we have to get rid of the Fed and we have to get rid of Keynesian “graft and corruption” economics for being the diamal failure that it is.

http://www.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/85

JC, you’re correct and if “most” people would take the time to do some serious background research about the Federal Reserve they would realize who created it…ultimately JP Morgan, Rockefeller, the Rothschilds, etc. and other American and European elite banking families at Jekyll Island in 1913…stricktly for profit and to control the governments they lend to.

Note that Ben Bernanke is also related to the Rothschilds.

FDR turned the US monetary system over to five families. One was his; another was the Rothchilds. The Rothchilds basically bought out everyone else so the Federal Reserve is owned by them. Until recently, they made a point of stabilizing the US currency and floated all the rest of the world’s money against it. Now they are trying to float the dollar.

If the older ones out there remember, when things got bad, the interest rate was raised to discourage borrowing. Now it is going the other way (down), with a push to encourage more borrowing – which fuels the inflation rate and lowers the value of the dollar. The Rothchilds make their own money by buying and selling money – and do it with money they simply print which costs them almost nothing.

That is why Ron Paul wants an audit of the Fed. Reserves. He wants to know just how much money they have been printing and using to buy other country’s money.

Let your voice be heard. Demand a real audit of the Fed.
http://www.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/112

JeffH, The whole thing is absolutely mind boggling, but once you’ve begun to read about it, the puzzle pieces begin to fit.

Angel Wannabe, it’s such an intricate web of deceit and the world is infected like a cancer. Just have to keep fighting.

I like a good conspiracy theory too! I will give you my parinoid best last.

I do not think the best of you understand the Federal Reserve System. You want to see whois behind the curtains and whois making the money. You first need to see the need for it. Without it, cash flows would dwindle because of lack of velocity and as is once again happening (according to news reports) a lack of lending in general, bank to bank, bank to business, bank to government, bank to consumer. I do not agree with QEI, QEII, QEIII, GM, GE, France, Korea, or the rest of the money outlays to “Save the Economy”. But, that is not the normal Federal Reserve activity. Nor, is buying up “assets” such as bad loans. These policies came from Paulson and the current bunch at tresury and Bernake who was there all along.

There has been and is less than a ounce of gold per person worldwide as measured by all known gold mined in human history. What good is that for a monetary base? Talk about instant loss of asset value if all the dollars were based on US gold reserves if anyone has the courage. I mean the value of land, buildings, houses, inventories, equipment, and so forth which is the real monetary base of the US dollar along with the work ethic of US citizens and faith in the financial power of the US government wether we the people or the rothschild’s are in ultimate control.

Oh, the conspiracy theory. The site here has combined several posts to make one. Comments from two posts are mixed and make no sense. Also, I swear one of my comments was dressed up the other day and made better and then reverted back to my primative prose in about 15 minuits. I am either going mad or this is happening. Maybe both.

doubt if it’s happening – expect you are going mad.

Bear Bob,

I know all about the Federal Reserve System from fractional reserve banking to sweeps and the rest. However, to attack a system that has become an institution from the top down in the middle of a crisis is dangerous to the country and even word at large. You are most likly more knowledgable of the Federal Reserve than I because of your career. A lesser knowledge is sometimes helpful to see the big picture. A fiat currency is necessary due to population size. Taxes may be necessary due to wastefull spending and money hoarding. Any system created to promote a national currency will have problems. The value of the dollar is Greater in the South and Plains States than on the West Coast and East Coast. Should we panic? Should we arbatriage. Same dollar.

I like to cuss, OK. I miss Beavis and Butthead. Being “offended” is a national plague.

My vocabulary is not what it was in college. I have returned to my plain uneducated childhood associates. I think we can still get a point across. The Federal Reserve Bank is not the devil. Unbridled spending can be.

I do not want a back and forth with a more andrite ( is that the word?) individual who will not call an ass and ass.

Sorry FF but what you must really mean is that has become “institutionalized crime”. And it has to stop, especiallially in the middle of a crisis, sinse it is the source of the crisis.

“especially” too.

Dear Fired Friday,

I believe the word you are looking for is adroit.

You write “The Federal Reserve Bank is not the devil. Unbridled spending can be.” You have answered your own question. Unbridled spending is made possible by the Federal Reserve, which prints money ad infinitum.

You write, “However, to attack a system that has become an institution from the top down in the middle of a crisis is dangerous to the country and even word at large.” The economic crisis we are in is caused by the Federal Reserve and its policies of setting artificially low interest rates and creating bubbles. The dot.com bubble, the housing bubble and now a coming college loan bubble were all created through Fed policies. It was recently revealed that the Fed sent billions of dollars to large corporations like GE and Ford and to large banks in other countries… without informing Congress. If you fear unbridled spending, you fear the Fed.

Again, I encourage you study Austrian economic theory. Go to mises.org. Or, read Peter Schiff’s “Crash Proof.”

Best wishes,
Bob

Vicki, Downsize DC and Numbers USA are my two favorites to send communications to my reps.

Mine too I try to use one or both every day.

ML, You got that down to a fine science.

Meteorlady, you’ve got it right!

Meteorlady, Any good hacker will tell you there are ways around any security device they try to install. There are thoes out there right now working on an underground internet.Heck even we could do it if we had the money to buy a blade server.I had a game server set up at one time that was built out of several old computers run in raid mode. The goverment has been trying to rid us of Warez sights forever and havent been able to do so yet. Mainly because these guys are set up in basements and houses throuhout the world. You shut one down and another pops up. The internet is the genie thats out of the bottle now and if used in the right way can never be totally shut down. Mike L.

If the government wants to shut down or control the internet, they probably can. Not many people are as sophisticated as you and very few will know how to overcome any blockages the government puts in.

AWB, UPDATE from Fox News__OBAMA extended the Bush tax cuts for two more years__ the GOP agreed to additional 13 months for unemployment benefits!

He also beilieves Julian Assange is being unfairly treated. I’m beginning to wonder, too.

Julian Assange is an arrogant pig who only thinks about Julian Assange. I hope they get him for the sexual charge and throw away the key. He could care less about his high minded “government transparency.” All he cares about is money and fame.

I do not think Assange is being treated unfairly. I am more concerned about the leaks of America’s security issues. I do not care who said what about whom, that is trivial to me. So much for the Pentagon and some of its’ employees. None of this surprises me. It was bound to happen sooner or later. The ones involved should be punished in some way.

If we did as our forefathers intended our FREEDOM would be our protection. We would have no use for secrets. Tyrants, despots and dictators need secrets. A truly free people have no need to hide.

Our forefathers designed a system of government where no secrets were needed. Indeed we were to be the shining city on a hill. A beacon of hope and freedom for all mankind. They also disapproved of entangling foreign alliances and a standing army. If we returned to this way why would we need secrets.

“If we did as our forefathers intended” would be wonderful but that was then, this is now. The world of today cannot be compared to the world of yesteryear. The world is not the same. Too many people that can’t be trusted, too many enemies, too much lack of trust in anything or anyone. Too many greedy people wanting power. Secrets? Of course I want transparency, but sometimes secrets are necessary to protect America, especially military secrets for national defense. In view of the creeps that leaked information, they should still be punished. The powers that be should get on the ball and do their jobs like they should.

Clare writes:
“The world is not the same. Too many people that can’t be trusted, too many enemies, too much lack of trust in anything or anyone. Too many greedy people wanting power.”

And we are different now vs 1700′s how? There were too many people that could not be trusted. There were too many enemies. There was much lack of trust. There were kings and tyrants and greedy people wanting power.

You should explore the writings of the time and you will quickly see the wisdom of the statement ” the more things change the more they are the same “.

Clare:”Secrets? Of course I want transparency, but sometimes secrets are necessary to protect America, especially military secrets for national defense. ”

Military secrets are needed during tactical operations and if longer than 2 weeks (rough estimate) are no longer tactical and or were poorly planned. Any secret beyond the immediate need in battle is only there to protect the tyrant in charge.

All those military secrets for “national defense” are just political secrets of various tyrants and dictators. Or as mom used to say secrecy is to keep the American people in the dark. Any good spy already has all of Americas “military secrets”.

Vicki– I won’t belabor the issue–you have your opinion, and I have mine.

Claire – as I frequently do, I share your opinion -

UPDATE: Ryan Ellis of the anti-tax increase Americans for Tax Reform comments below:
“In our opinion, Cong. Paul did not vote for a tax hike. The bill Congress voted on yesterday is a tax cut relative to 2011 law, which assumes everyone’s taxes go up. By preventing some people’s taxes from going up, this would score out as a tax cut.”

Interview with Ron Paul
Q: Name a tax you’d like to cut.
A: I would get rid of the inflation tax. It’s a tax that nobody talks about. We live way beyond our means. We print money for it. The value of the money goes down, and poor people pay higher prices. That is a tax. That’s a transfer of wealth from the poor and the middle class to Wall Street. Wall Street’s doing quite well, but the inflation tax is eating away at the middle class of this country. We need to get rid of the inflation tax with sound money.

As long as the press and other liberal media can discredit Ron Paul, he will remain looking like a fringe element and far right to most Americans that believe all the media swill without researching for themselves.

I realize you said “looking…far right”, Lady, but for those that don’t know, Libertarians consider themselves to be in the middle, neither left nor right. We simply believe in real Freedom. That is, the natural right of human beings to control their own bodies and their own property, which neither the left nor the right respects.

We (libertarians) are not so much “in the middle” as on an entirely different axis as shown in this simple quiz.
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz

(I scored at the tip of the libertarian triangle like object (A pentagram actually ) )

ML, it all boils down to the two agendas of Washington,_ the one they let us, the public see, and what the elitists really do behind closed doors._”Pay no mind to the man behind the curtain?!” The Wizard of OZ

Meteorlady, http://www.theamericansheeple.com/conspiracypolicestate_6.html

The elites plan to control ALL of the world’s resources: fuel, food, water, even air and the weather. They plan to bleed us dry and leave us to die.

They already do control these things more every day. They are using global warming as the pretext for it. Watch the episode on The Great Water Conpiracy”. Yikes.

Water is life and will become more precious than gold.

eddie – I read a couple of years ago that water would become more valuable than oil.

I had no idea at that time just what they were up to, or how far they were willing to go.

eddie, I can agree on that.

Kate, have you read or heard about how water is being stolen and sold right out of the Great Lakes and Lake Mead among other places? Didn’t Bob have an article last year about water?

I’m with you on this – stop the bashing – it’s become sadly popular on both sides all of a sudden – I won’t partake and cannot believe so many have forgotten The Holocaust.

Liberty,

Don’t forget the Ukraine.I agree with you.

LT, and some of those people who survived the Holocaust are still paying the price living with the memory of it.

There are MANY factions of Jews, just as there are of every other religion.

There is one, very large, very powerful faction of Zionists who are wholly secular and power-driven. They do not worship the God of Abraham. They own all the world’ power and wealth, and consider themselves to be gods. Many worship Lucifer.

It’s ridiculous to brand an entire people based on the actions of a few. Yet we do it all the time. There are many deeply devout Jews who work and pray for the salvation of the world. There are even Messianic Jews who believe in Yeshua as Messiah.

Interesting that many of the devout Jews see this time as the End of Days, and believe the coming of their long awaited Messiah is imminent.

That we are in the Last Days seems to be something that most all isms and cultures believe.

Kate8,
Thank you for putting it in perspective and using common sense. you are very right.
Not all Jews are bad, not all Muslims are bad and if we were all judged by the world by Obama standards and his actions and inactions, we can say not all Americans are bad.

Kate8,

National-Anarchists do not ‘hate’ ordinary Jews and neither do we wish to undermine them as a people with their own unique religious and cultural identity, but what we will not tolerate, however, is the ongoing enslavement of our people by a minority of vampiric parasites intent on carving up the world’s resources in an attempt to create a single, global market. We believe that the way to combat Zionism is to continue to expose the hypocrisy of those who, on the one hand, use the Nazi ‘holocaust’ to evoke sympathy, and, on the other, brutally repress the long-suffering Palestinians in their own land. Over 90% of modern Jews are descended from a semi-Turkic people who, faced with the sectarian intolerance of their encroaching Christian Orthodox and Muslim neighbours, converted to Judaism en masse when they were part of the old Khazar empire that spanned the area between the Black and Caspian seas during the eighth century. Indeed, they have no authentic racial or territorial connection with the Middle East at all. National-Anarchists support the Palestinian intifada, as well as Jewish groups like Neturai Karta and various other opponents of Zionism who are seeking to expose the multifarious lies and distortions perpetuated by the Israeli regime, as well as its intelligence wing, Mossad, and the organisational nerve centre which continues to operate at the very heart of the United States Government. Zionism is an enemy of all peoples and must be vanquished.

coal miner – I am well aware of who the Zionists are and what they are about. They are the secular group I mentioned.

As far as the Palestinians, that is a complicated matter. You libs tend to regard the whole area as Muslim territory, but I tell you that prior to the advent of Islam’s rise to power, somewhere around 600AD, the area was Jewish and Christian. That always gets ignored.

The Palestinians are far from innocent. But I do believe that the whole purpose for forming the nation of Israel by the Zionists was to use it as a hotspot in the middle east, a place from which they could stir up all kinds of global angst. Their plan of world domination has been kept alive since Nimrod, and here we are at that point again.

Most players in this drama are simply pawns.

BTW, Jews and Christians were driven from their land, by Muslims, at swordpoint. They were slaughtered without mercy.

God promised that they would return to their land. It’s a complicated issue, and involves opposing forces, lies and distortions.

But not to worry. God will sort it all out.

Thanks Kate8, most people won’t touch the Jewish Subject, there’s Zionists and many different sects of Jews, read some of the speeches by past Israel prime ministers, Ariel Sharon, Mechim Begin, they brag how they run American. read about the Israeli Lobby. thanks for your courage Kate8, more people need to read history, and research the issues.

Kate8 This “liberal” doesn’t look at Israel as Muslim territory so don’t pigeonhole us all.

Al – You’re right, I am one who won’t “touch the Jewish subject.” It’s not about reading history, I do, or being uneducated – that’s a subjective opinion – as to who is educated and who is not – However, I will not go down the Jew Bashing road period. I won’t play that game.

libertytrain–I agree with you.

When you take into account that population control is on the menu for the New World Order Gangsters…you would think that the Jews above all others would be up in arms…literally, arming themselves.
I don’t have a problem with Jewish people and I don’t equate them with Zionists, who are a cult…not a religion.

JC – This is something that, for some reason, many find hard to understand. It took me a long time, too.

For some reason, we seem to thing of Jews as more of a race than a religion. Yet they include many races and many divergent beliefs. It is a very sensitive issue, largely because of the holocaust, and that gets used as a big PC stick when it comes to criticism about them. Yet, more Christians died during that time than Jews (some 11million), but that is never spoken about.

Anyway, yes, the elite psychopathic gangsters bear Jewish names, but that is where their similarity to God-loving Jews ends. These thugs look to no god but themselves and, of course, Lucifer.

Kate, Yea for a long period of time we have thought of the jews as a race. This was an attitude that was fostered by the holicost. We here in the states for the most part were shown pictures of train car loads of the mostly european jews. It maintained a conseption of the jew as a mostly european decent.The jewish faith is praticed by a diverse amount of people now with the conversions. Mike L.

Mike, Yes, the Jewish tribes were scattered over the face of the Earth. As with all people, some held to the faith, most did not.
Even through all this, they’ve retained their Jewish identity, which is remarkable and exactly what God said they would do.

The Islamic tribes bear the blood of Abraham also, and there is a good lesson here. Abraham and Sarah were promised a son, but they lost faith in God’s ability to deliver, so they tried to force His Hand by conceiving a son through Hagar, Sara’s servant. A wild, warring people were the result, who would always be considered a thorn in the side of the world. I’ve sometimes wondered what would have happened if they had trusted God and waited.

This is why we must trust God and His Plan, His Promise. Remember, “the war is not with flesh and blood, but with spirits and principalities”. God knows what He is doing. We need to trust in Him. We are citizens of His Kingdom, and His Armies are legions of angels.

“For some reason, we seem to think of Jews as more of a race than a religion. Yet they include many races and many divergent beliefs. It is a very sensitive issue, largely because of the holocaust, and that gets used as a big PC stick when it comes to criticism about them. Yet, more Christians died during that time than Jews (some 11million), but that is never spoken about.”

Kate8, please understand that the experiences of the Jews were different from the experiences of the Christians during those terrible years. As far as the Christian deaths, that is often spoken about. Poles, Russians, the mentally handicapped, gypsies, homosexuals, and millions of political prisoners were exterminated as well, all part of the Nazi’s adherence to the works of Margaret Sanger and other advocates of euthanasia.

I’ve had Germans tell me that what Hitler did was no worse than what happened in Uganda, Cambodia, The Balkans, etc., but I always countered with the following: what the Third Reich did had no parallel in history, and has never been done since. They established a whole infrastructure and support services to do one thing, exterminate the Jews.

For them it was a business. The value of their hair, gold teeth, even skin, was factored into the equation that guaranteed just so many months of useful labor on less-than-subsistence rations. The children and the elderly or infirm were of no use to the Germans, so they were summarily executed. It was all an exercise for businessmen and accountants, who had no feeling for the people who became nothing more than resources and statistics.

The death camps that spread like cancer, all based on the original model of Dachau, were supported by an intricate web of railroad lines. The spread of typhus and other diseases, let alone the mass and individual exterminations, created a fuel for the crematoria that was so heavy (at Auschwitz) that the chimneys had to be periodically scraped to remove the inches of human fat that had accumulated. Many other stories, but no space.

We should never forget what happened. You talked of PC, but I always found it hypocritical of the left, the inventors of PC, when they call those who wish to wipe Israel off the face of the earth “freedom fighters.”

Well said, Vigilant.

Amen

Because of the very horrible holocaust against the Jewish people any conversation regarding Jews is almost off limits…Zionism is a whole different animal and that discussion wouldn’t be anti-Semitic.

Is a Zionist the Same as a Jewish Person?
Not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews.

Who is a Jew? A Jew is anyone who has a Jewish mother or who converted to Judaism in conformity with Halacha, Jewish religious law. This definition alone excludes racism. Judaism does not seek converts, but those who do convert are accepted on a basis of equality.

What is Zionism? One of the basic aims of Zionism is aliyah, the immigration to the Zionist state of Jews from all countries. The geographic location chosen for this immigration is Israel. Nevertheless, during the past few years hundreds of thousands of Israelis have out-gathered themselves from the Zionist paradise, and American Jews have “voted with their feet” and have chosen not to be in-gathered. These Jews recognize that the Zionist state is in fact contrary to their individual freedoms.

I’m of the opinion that the Zionist(think Rothschilds, Soros) conspiracy, of which very few, if any Jews are a part, has made possible events and developments that were unthinkable even ten years ago. People refuse to notice the Zionist hands on virtually ever power lever in the US federal government. Or at the helm of virtually every media organization that exists, and throughout the executive and editorial ranks. Problem is, most of us seem not to know it.

JeffH,
Are you saying that all people residing in Israel are Zionists?

JeffH
Never mind, I should have read further down. I went to the site and I comprehend that Zionists are a political faction inside Israel. They have their problems just like we do. We have a political faction inside the United States that wants to turn our country into a Communist country.

Jana, thanks for “getting it”. Most people just emotionally react without going any further.

JeffH – it’s not about knowing the difference – it’s about the new in thing to bash all Jews.

Jana, Zion, where this cult began is in Egypt.

The new trend in Jew-bashing is just more of the same tactics being used by the elites to bring world chaos. They are pitting every race, culture and religion against all others. They stir up class envy. No possible source of irritation is left untouched.

They are even passing laws against criticizing Jews, just like the push to ban criticism of Islam. Of course then, the preferencial treatment of some draws the anger and resentment from the rest. The only fair game seems to be Christian.

The best thing we can do here is see what they are doing and not participate. If we don’t play their game, it falls flat.

That shouldn’t stop us from having honest discussions of the truth.

Thanks, JeffH. I have tried to explain this, but you hit the nail on the head.

You do a great service on this thread.

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Dude your 100% totaly off base and out of control.

This idiot needs a duct tape moustache.

You need to learn what…antisemitism is and what it defines. criticizing a particular group of people or a country (Israel) is not and never will be antisemitism.

I do understand what it is and what he was doing was not country bashing –

Thanks again Angel Wannabe for the clarification.

jeffH,

JeffH, they’re finally getting it, thanks for the explanation, and anti-Semite has nothing to do with Jews.

Angel,

I respect your posts, but I’m afraid the link you posted is a particularly bad example. The Serendipity website is so biased that even Wikipedia censors it.

My first clue was the following: “Israel constantly and loudly demands that Arab states must recognize Israel’s “right to exist”. But, as Faisal Bodi points out in his article published in the Guardian UK, Israel simply has no right to exist.”

Many people in America are unfamiliar with the UK newspaper, “The Guardian,” which is nothing more than a front for leftist views. You’ll find Eric Bischoff quoting its journalists from time to time. Need I say more?

The first two paragraphs of the lead article “Zionism,” shows what kind of people run this site.

Vigilant, I have several links in a folder, I probably chose a bad one, cuz theres serveral I have weed out. Thanks though.

Meteorlady,

God is nothing,but a myth.

http://www.livingwithsoul.com/god-myth.htm

coal miner, you need to go back into the mine and close the door, and then you can make that popping sound.

coal miner, if Gods a myth to you , then so be it, he isn’t to all of us___and trying to change peoples minds about are annoying at best__In other words it won’t get you ANYWHERE!

Coal Miner has it back wards. He is the myth, not God.

Coal miner, If god is a myth explain to me the order that is being discovered throughout our universe. Even as we speak there is a theroy out there that is gaining strength amoung even the most staunch of the scientifc community that there had to be a design to it all.Its called string theroy. Its the study of how every pice of matter known and unknown typs are connected in some manner. If this proves to be a fact which according to the mathmatics it is. Then the only answer is intelligent design. Science eventually will prove god exist Albert Einstine knew this and no matter how uncomfortable he was with it admitted as much.

I look out at our univers and see this. Every galaxy of every type rotates around a perfect center. In thoes galaxies every star system rotates around another perfect center or star. Eventually when we get off our collective rear ends and start to explore we might just find that all this that is outthere rotates around a perfect center.Where god and the angels sit in wonder of the creation. No I am not so cynacle and self centerd enough to say we are perfect and understand all of gods plans and many things we will not truly understand untill we get to meet him face to face and ask him.
A P.S note I forgot that even too the smallest form of matter this perfect center holds true. Electrons and protons rotate around a neucleus in atoms. Mike L.

Mike, Way to go.

Vicki mentioned string theory, too. I get it now.

There is so much to God’s marvelous, awesome Creation. We are like babes, just learning to see a glimpse of what is possible. The Universe is vast beyond comrehension, and we are so minute. Yet, we are not insignificant in the eyes of God.

“I am in the Universe/God. The Universe/God is in me. The Universe/God and I are One.”

Mike,

Albert Einstein was a Marxist Socialist and an admirer of Joeeph Stalin.He never did belive in a personal God,to him,God was used in academic terms.He was a agnostic.I am too.God can’t be proven or disproven.Einstein was leaning more towards Atheism,then a belief in God.

Mike L writes:
“A P.S note I forgot that even too the smallest form of matter this perfect center holds true. Electrons and protons rotate around a neucleus in atoms.”

Electrons move around the center. Protons or Protons and neutrons are the center. And each of them is made up of smaller particles called quarks. Which are made of…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark

electrons are made of leptons btw.

Coal miner. We can no more prove God exists (in the point at object) then the people in our dreams can prove WE exist. Yet in both cases there we are.

Now as to God’s existence we must use inductive reasoning.
We examine the intricate beauty and precision in all the laws of physics and chemistry and even that which Einstein hated (God does not play dice with the Universe), quantium physics and how they work together to make the world go round. We then try to believe in nothing creating everything and it just does not fit.

Mike and others:

Perfect Vacuum created the universe,not a mythical God.

http://www.braungardt.com/Physics/Vacuum%20Fluctuation.htm

coal miner quotes from Albert Einstein__
“Before God we are all equally wise – and equally foolish.”

“Everyone should be respected as an individual, but no one idolized’.

“Force always attracts men of low morality.”

“God always takes the simplest way.”

“God does not play dice.”

“God may be subtle, but he isn’t plain mean.”

“I am a deeply religious nonbeliever – this is a somewhat new kind of religion.”

“I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious.”

“My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.”
all quotes from albert eimstein___Albert Einstein

Take your pick coal miner, he ran both sides of the fence!!!__

Vicki, Yea I oopsed on the atom one. Forgot my elementry science. But even more to the point when we enter into the world of quantum physics there are patterns emerging. These scientist that are doing the work on supercolliders are admitting there might just be a so called GOD PARTICL. This is just waiting to be found.

Miner, The only vacume I see is in your education. Ever hear of dark matter? There comes a point where the vacume therory breaks down. We are only just discovering this.

Vicki, Thanks for the intresting link, My education continues.:)

Whether a God exists or not is not important to me. What is important to me is that the citizens possess good moral character, and treat their fellow citizens as they would like to be treated. I don’t see much evidence that Liberals are nearly as capable of teaching the people good moral standards to live by as are religious institutions. So, although I am Atheist, I would take a religious person over a Liberal any day of the week.

Coal miner wrote:
“Perfect Vacuum created the universe,not a mythical God.”

Then provides a link to a persons theories and myths of a perfect vacuum and how this absense of everything managed to create everything. Providing lots of links to many learned persons with their own theories. Much talk, not much fact.

Try this one.
http://www.samizdat.com/isyn/lem.html

I’m not an overly religious man. In fact that I do believe in something greater than myself is about as spiritual as I get.
However, I have learned to respect the faith of others and I believe it is part of the many colors of the planet and part of what makes it a wonderful planet.
I do not believe in being small minded, nasty and disparaging of others…like Coal Miner there.

So For all my Christian Friends here is a video of a group spontaneously (sort of) breaking into song in praise of the Lord in a mall in Canada.

I know it will be moving for some and will probably make poor ol Coal Miners heart shrivel up with hatred just a little bit more…

To my friends…enjoy.

http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2010/12/hallelujah.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NewZeal+%28New+Zeal+Blog%29

JC, that must have been quite a pleasant treat and experience for those kids and adults alike. Very cool thank you

Glad you enjoyed it Jeff.

Coal Miner writes:
“God is nothing,but a myth.”
and then provides a link purporting to prove that God is a myth.

So I have a question for your Akkadians Mr Miner. Dear Akkadian. Who created you.

The link is nothing more than an opinion about a story about a myth. There are lots of myths about God. It proves that you can create a myth about God. It does not prove that God is a myth.

Next.
(P.S. God knows that when we meet I will be asking him/her who is his/her creator )

Meteorlady, We must remember that God works through us.

Remember the words of Isaiah: “If not me, Lord, then who?”

Meteolady,

Wrong,God doesn’t prevent wars,he starts them.

Coal miner, why don’t you explain that one for all who believe.

JeffH,

Here is one of them.Battle of Jericho.God told Joshua ,spare no one.

The Jericho Massacre
The people raised the war cry, the trumpets sounded. When the people heard the sound of the trumpet, they raised a mighty war cry and the wall collapsed then and there. At once the people stormed the city, each man going straight forward; and the captured the city. They enforced the curse of destruction on everyone in the city; men and women, young and old, including the oxen, the sheep, and the donkeys, slaughtering them all. — Joshua 6:20-21

Why Joshua? Because I see ADF’s task as similar to the one he faced. Just as God told Joshua to lead the children of Israel across the Jordan to take back the Promised Land from the enemies of God, I believe God has called ADF to help the body of Christ take back the legal territory that has been occupied for far too long by the opponents of the Gospel. — Alan E. Sears, President of the Alliance Defense Fund, ADF Briefing, February 2000.
Glorified by time, scripture, and song, the Battle of Jericho has become a fixture of Western legend. Children’s videos have been made about it. The phrase “and the walls came tumbling down” has become an expression of victory. Joshua is considered a hero. When the FBI planned out their tank assault on the Branch Davidians, they called their design the “Jericho Plan.”
Yet what the Bible describes is an invasion by forces seeking to take over the lands occupied by the native population, and massacring entire cities to do this. As described in the verses quoted above, the Israeli attackers wiped out men, women, children, and even livestock, simply because God had told them they were entitled to the city.

Modern historians believe that the events described in the Book of Joshua are not an accurate description of history. There was probably no city at the site of Jericho at the time the Israeli people entered the area from Egypt. Historically, it’s likely that many atrocities were committed by many different peoples in the ancient Middle East. The issue is not the actions of a historical army, but the Bible’s glorification of mass murder — and the continued acceptance of that evaluation by many people today.

There are other passages in the Bible which are equally bloodthirsty, but they are buried in obscurity; most people aren’t aware of Moses’ outrage at his army for taking women and children prisoners instead of slaughtering them (Numbers 31:13-18), or other similar passages. Joshua’s campaign is distinctive for being famous and yet not inducing widespread moral revulsion.

Perhaps most people who have heard of the Battle of Jericho aren’t aware of the outcome described in the Bible. Most popular stories end with the collapse of the wall, and draw a curtain over the bloodshed which followed. Still, many people do read the Bible and must be aware of the horror of the actions described there.

People such as Alan E. Sears, head of an organization dedicated toward obtaining court decisions that are consonant with their version of God’s Will, are almost certainly familiar with the Bible in detail, and know exactly what they are praising when they applaud Joshua’s murderous actions. For such people, anyone who gets in the way of their aims is an “enemy of God,” with all that that implies.

Some people may be afraid to object to the praise of Joshua because of fear of being labelled “anti-Semitic.” But the crimes, like most crimes of war, were instigated by the leaders in a particular time and place. Chapter 14 of the Book of Numbers is particularly revealing in showing the relationship of Joshua to the people. Joshua, making his first appearance in the Bible as a scout, along with Caleb, told the people of Israel, “do not rebel against Yahweh or be afraid of the people of the country, for we shall gobble them up.”

The people were ready to stone these bloodlusters, when Yahweh appeared in Person and had a major tantrum. He said to Moses, “How much longer will they refuse to trust me, in spite of all the signs I have displayed among them? I shall strike them with pestilence and disown them.” Moses managed to calm God down; but He still declared that none of the adults present except Joshua and Caleb would live to enter Canaan. The message was clear: go along with God’s campaign of mass murder, or be stuck forever in the desert.

Of course, it’s hardly plausible that this fit of Divine Petulance ever happened, but the core of the story rings true: that the leaders wanted to take over cities after exterminating the present population, and that the people went along only after many threats, much persuasion, and perhaps some faked displays of God’s wrath. Whether it happened or not as written, we’ve seen the same dynamics at work many times; just a day or two ago as I write this, Iran’s current Ayatollah, speaking before a cheering crowd, has called for the destruction of Israel for the greater glory of Allah.

Perhaps as long as there are people, there will be leaders who want to glorify themselves by butchering other people, or by invoking the “glory” of past butchers. But if we can reach the point where the Jericho Massacre isn’t considered a pious story of how God supports His loyal followers, but a vicious tale which has been fraudulently presented as Holy Scripture, we’ll have come a little closer to a world in which such demagogues have no influences”

Gary McGath, Copyright 1995

He cant Jeff he is an avowed agnostic/ Atheist. They will never belive in anything that they cannot physically touch or see.Strang though this same crowd can belive in the religon of man made global warming. And all that enviornmental hack. But when presented with evidence to the countrary. They can be just as stubbron as the most backwoods hard headed fundelmentlist.That still dont belive the earth isnt the center of the universe. Mike L.

Nice Coal Miner,Must have had that quote on speed dial. Numbers just like the book of Enock can be taken that way.If one looks at it from the precept that god and religion are the root of all mankinds problems.Much of the old testement is written under the law of old Judaism.Before the time of Christ.

Jerico found look it up on discovery.com. Many people for years concidered this a myth in the bible. Just as homer’s Troy But both have been found now. Mike L.

Mike, we now exactley who coal miner is…he comes from the deep dank and dark depths and loves to push the anti-God agenda. Bet it believes in Lucifer though.

No doubt, Coal Miner, that many atrocities have been committed under the cloak of religion, but those perpetrators are phonies. There are bad apples in every barrel. But I shudder to think of the ugly world that would exist were it not for the teaching of morality that is done by most religious organizations. At the very least the religious teachings get the students to think beyond their own selves.

Mike,
Lack of education?

You better learn how to spell.You got Einstein spelled wrong.

Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any specific social environment – an attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections. (Albert Einstein )

Coal Miner, A little fast sometimes on the keyboard and I get ahead of my abaility to type. But not stupid or misinformed. You are entitled to your beliefs and are welcome to them. I or anyone on this sight wont change them.

As far as the bible goes though there are too many cities and documents being found now by archeologist. That point to the fact that we may have been a little hasty for dismissing it as a book of fables. Look for if you want a book called Hailey’s Bible companion. It list the number of documented archeological finds. That were based in the bible.

Jeasus in the new testement didnt waste his time on the scribes and pharices of the time. And it was the san-hadrin councile that eventually had him sentanced to death. Throughout his time here on eath they could never discout his works though.Mike L.

You are dreaming, the power is NOT with the people…that is a concept that they push so you think you have some control…in reality, they control us like puppets on a string. Try exercising your so called power…good luck. You can’t even vote anyone into any position of power they don’t want to be there….nobody even advances in the race to the top without being approved by the elite. So, they give you a few “”choices”" and the people “”polarize”" around them. That is no power, that is like the cattle that go willingly to the slaughter house.

Well said JRC!

I disagree. We get the kind of government the majority of people think they want. If that were changed, you can bet our government would change.

If of course our representatives were moral then they would uphold their oath to defend the Constitution and NOT pass bills that violate it. Even if a majority of us wanted them to.

Perhaps we can poke them a little and get them to consider that ancient and mostly ignored document.

http://www.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/124

Meteorlady writes:
“your property, worth less; your saving, worth less; your hard assets, worth less; and your paycheck (if you get one), worth less.”

Well no. Your property will become worth more because there will be more paper dollars around for someone to give you for your property. In reality your property keeps its worth/value but the number of paper dollars you can get in trade for it will go up.

Your hard assets will also appear to go up in value or worth but will not actually. Certain hard assets (gold, silver etc) will gain more apparent value as people decide to want some to protect their wealth.

Your pay check IS in dollars as is your savings so you will need to give me more of them for my property that I am willing to sell to you.

If you have a skill that you can sell you will be able to ask for more paper dollars for that skill. That is of course because supply/demand equation works on EVERY POSSIBLE trade. Not even government can defeat it. And as you have seen over the years they have tried.

Remember Supply/demand is not only a good idea, Its the LAW.

This guy is either dumber than dirt (doubtful) or intentionally misleading the citizens:
http://www.thirdage.com/news/ben-bernanke-gets-defensive-600-billion-plans_12-6-2010

He’s “100 percent” confident the Fed will be able to ward off inflation, when the time is right, by raising interest rates and unwinding its stimulative programs?

Somebody please explain to me how we get the genie back into the bottle once the money has been issued? All the higher interest rates in the world won’t decrease the outstanding money supply.

Remember the “interest” on the loaned money? Raise interest and suck the money back into the Fed Reserve. Which of course doesn’t really remove it from circulation. Just places it in the private hands of the Fed Reserve.
That interest of course comes from your and my taxes thus removing from OUR hands the excess money and conveniently some of our wealth. That is why the original name for the income that was taxed is “disposable” income.

A note is a note as long as it spends.

Bitter not to make a hard process even harder but there would have to be a little longer transition period. Its simply a matter of numbers. The amount of reserve notes= to the amount of federal notes would take a while to print. Even if you brought back the old $500 and $1000 notes this would take a year or more to transition.
Other than that a decent plan. Give me the link to the Libratarin party sight again. I think its time now to change my registration and I have a few others who are going too as well. Mike L.

I believe that the Transition time would be fine (Just my opinion) I suggested a super short period for all E-Notes, and a few weeks for the paper cash (coin needs no change-haha Pun intended) The Fed Just might have a Ton or 2 of the Fed Notes in storage LOL.
Put thos govt employees to work, transporting and helping exchange the stuff. I believe the President could turn the nation against the Banks, and most everyone would be behind him and the efforts provided enough Americans understood.

Again this is how I would do it were I the POTUS. I know the Libertarian Party says no Initiation of Force, but you can bet your sweet peppers that I would not hesitate using whatever polite force was required to make this happen.

http://www.lp.org

Vicki, Thanks bookmarked now. Mike L.

Welcome. And welcome aboard. You will find many people there that believe in first principle. Individual freedom and free will.

Turning in Federal Reserve Notes for Treasury Notes would solve nothing unless the Treasury Notes were backed by hard assets. Or better yet hard currency made from precious metals should be issued.

That was the plan that some say JFK was murdered over.

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/executiveorder11110.htm

Possibly that Vicki…
and possibly that he intended to dismantle the CIA.

For anybody who thinks the answer to our problems is bigger government. Think twice. Not only are there no barriers to prevent sociopaths from entering Government, there is actually a draw to Government for those kind of people. And unlike Corporations who don’t have the power to force us to buy their products, Big Government does grant itself that power:
http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2008/12/sociopathic-politician.html

For Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, and Limited Government – Vote Libertarian:
http://www.lp.org/platform

OW, I don’t think the Constitution is the Problem__Our Constitution was written for the Government to up hold our God given inalienable rights to,”Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness. Those words in conjunction with the Constitution, is not a guarantor you will have it, only that the Government is suppose to uphold your right to try. The problem is, the peoples of today’s perception of it. Instead of adhering to what was ORIGINALLY written in the Constitution, it’s been manipulated & perverted to fit, and include, anyone’s whim, weather right or wrong. Such as Gay lifestyle choices, abortion, homosexual marriage__ quite honestly John Adams said it best__

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

Christians are being persecuted today, because of the atheist’s, the Muslims and what have you, who want to in part, be a part of America and covered under the Constitution. But these people don’t want to be governed by the God of Abraham, who created her. If you don’t believe in God thats your choice, but no one should have the right to come here from a foreign land, and denmand changes in ours laws or our Conststitution to fit they’re beliefs. They obviously desired freedom to come here, why would they want the opression here, when its the very thing they left they’re own home country for?

Oliver,
The General Welfare clause has been purposely misinterpreted by Big Government lovers. That fate can befall any amount of well-intentioned words when the citizens look the other way.
The Federal Government was given certain enumerated powers by the Constitution and those powers were meant to be exercised for the “General Welfare”, that is – not to benefit specific groups of people. It was NOT intended to give the Federal Government the power to do whatever they deemed to be for the “General Welfare” of the citizens, as the Liberals would like us to believe. If that were indeed the case, the enumerated powers would have been covered by that single phrase “General Welfare”.
Here is the actual wording (read section 8):
http://www.cato.org/pubs/constitution/article1_en.html

“it shall be like in the days of Noah”…somewhere in the new testament Jesus lets us know this about his second coming. I think its key to understand exactly how it was during the time of Noah in order to understand that from my studies (as limited as they are) wer not there quite yet…soon but not now.

The ancient city of babylon is modern day bagdad, Iraq, and as you have seen it has been destroyed for a second time, this has already been fulfilled.

Babylon was about 55 miles south of Baghdad. There are only ruins there now.

babylon in the bible is used as a symbol not as a real place. read revelation

King James Bible

what Bible do you read from?

Babylon was a real city and the capital of Babylonia. In fact, the Hanging Gardens of Babylon were considered one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World.

Babylon is truly a symbol and could mean anyplace. The wickedness of man could befall Las Vegas or Rome. Even the Vatican couldn’t stop that if it took place by the hand of God.

S.C. Murf,

I’m of the opinion that it will be rebuilt. I’m going with Clarence Larkin’s interpretation in his book “The Second Coming of CHrist”. Remember also that the study of prophecy is more than charts !

I could be wrong, but the 7 year Tribulation may not start IMMEDIATELY after the Rapture. During this interval of time 1) Mankind will degenerate and apostatize 2) Mankind will rebuild Babylon 3) Occult religions will predominate ….

Has anyone bothered to investigate how many on this list are millionaires? This group represents the epitome of duplicity and
hypocrisy, including their Socialist, Colonial Hating leader, Barak
Obama Soetoro.

Rick,

All of them and many times over all paid for BY you the Tax payer.

JeffH,
This was a very good and informative post.
The reason they like to call themselves Progressive is it sounds innocent. It sounds like hey, we are for progress here. HUMPH! This is purely deception at its highest. They are not for progress, they are for CONTROL as your post so aptly explains.
They aren’t talking about lowering the taxes right now, they are talking about RAISING the taxes. The OBAMA TAX HIKES needs to take place so he can spend more of our money. Our money because it takes investments in businesses to create jobs. Those jobs are where we go to work and are able to have an income to support our families. Obama wants to do the supporting. He wants us to live in a lifestyle he chooses and creates for us, not one that we want or would choose for ourselves. With his plans it takes the initiative away from us and kills any hope for the “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Our liberties are being eroded little by little and too many are just not noticing.

Remember

OBAMA TAX HIKES, OBAMA TAX HIKES, OBAMA TAX HIKES.

Jana,
You think the progressives sound scary check out the NeoCons.They are all ex Commies.

eddie47d, as usual you are once again “stupid is as stupid does”! Of course, you being a Marxist/socialist/communist sympathizer yourself I wouldn’t expect anything less.

JeffH
You are just wrong, why are you disagreeing with Eddie on this. You just watched the big bankers rip off the American People and people of the world.

And why the name calling? People who do that do it because they have nothing of substance to counter with. If you are that empty, just do not respond.

Carole Howell, first off, I’m not wrong…who are “the bankers”? You can’t answer that can you! Who paid them off? The same people being controlled by “the international banksters”, the government!

As for the name calling, unless you know the background of it, mind your own business! It always takes two to tango!

eddie, I think more of us agree with that than you think. I have a good case in point. My mother as she was first becomming ill with the alzheimers owned her own house. At the time the home was financed through Citi-group.She had to have it refinanced because after my father retired he had a heart attack that required heart by-pass surgery. At this time her payment was 800 a month. When she herself became ill (mentally) she began to get behind on the house payment. After a few months of this she decided to refinance the house again to draw money out to catch up other bills she had. She did it through a now defunct mortage lender.They set her up on a loan with a payment of 1400 a month almost double what she was paying before. Now if you look at it she had a proveable income of just a shde over 1,500 a month. I took the contract to the Trans-america ofice when I found out about it and asked them why they would loan like this. Simple answer straight from the loan officers mouth was. We know we just bought the house and plan on reselling it at a higher amount. Mike L.

What amazes me is that the Liberals always claim to know the way to save our society, but whenever they have a chance to prove it, they fall flat on their faces.
We have had 4 years of a Democrat-controlled congress and 2 years of both the Executive Branch and the Congress controlled by Democrats. What have we gotten? 9.8% unemployment. A $3.3 Trillion increase in the national debt (About $10,000 for every man, woman, and child in this country). More Freedom loss than ever before in so short a period. And on top of that, we have to listen to the Ignorant Liberals trying to shout us down whenever we try to say our piece.

No one has fallen flat on their face Dave. We live in the greatest country on the face of the earth because of our free enterprise system and strong socialist programs. It’s not either or but both. We have benefited and become stronger because of the team work between these forces. Whether deliberate or not we have folks who abuse our system from the left and the right. Challenge them without bringing the whole system down.

We used to live in the Greatest Country. We still have the Greatest people (IMO) but they are being lead to Communism, mostly by morons who actually think they can call it somethuing else.
There is a major backlash on the way though.

Yes, Eddie, Flat on their face. Stay tuned. The pain has just begun.
And you might take the time to explain to me how adding an overpaid disinterested middleman (Government) can make our economy better? Sure, life is better for those who are employed by the Government or for those who are protected from competition by the Government (like Unions, or Crony Capitalists). But the rest of us suffer from the meddling.

The GITMO terrorists will never be allowed to be punished by a military court. You know that Hilliary Clinton goes off by saying the civilian courts have put more terrorits in jail than the military…and there is good reason, the military tribunal was not put into place until the end of the Bush presidency…we had no military tribunal to punish terrorits…now we do, so why are we not using the? That reason is clear…to put someone from GITMO to death requires the signature of the POTUS, and do you think one of their own would sign off on a death decree? The worst thing that ever happened to this country is the Federal Reserve Act of 1913…since then, this monopoly has been creating and manipulating our economy by either raising interest rates to extreme, lowering them to extreme, giving out easy loans until we are soaked in debt, and then pulling the plug where no banks will loan money. This organization needs to be audited and broken up into smaller groups as they are a monopoly which is illegal in America…they are not federally owned…they are owned by corrupt businessmen, bankers and a lot of foreign bankers, who want to be the world bank for the new world order. Until we have a president who will put tarriffs on imports that are so high that American companies can compete, and do away with the unions in this country, we do not have a chance. I live in Texas which is a right to work state…you do not have to belong to a damn union to get a job and that is the way it should be across America…to have to belong to a union to get a job is unconstitutional. If you started a business, and then all the employees decided to be union whether or not you wanted it, then who actually runs and owns the business? It certainly would not be my business any longer. At one time, the unions were good because they protected the workers….not anymore…the elists at the top are becoming filthy rich at the cost to the common worker. When a union employee makes $75,000 a year plus benefits for putting one part on a new car, how long does it take for the car to become so pricy that no one can afford it? That is why the corporations have moved from the US and the union workers are now hoping to have a job….get real, it is not going to happen.

Wow…Wanda..you definitely are freakin’ today ! Let’s see … you advocate doing away with trying criminals in on of the most hallowed bricks of our national foundation…the right to trial by jury. You advocate trashing our monetary system. You want imort tariffs and start trade wars. You are against the working man consolidating his one asset..his labor to enabe him to take on Big Corporations (btw…can you tell us what auto company pays the auto line worker $73,000 based on a 40 hour work week? Didn’t think you could since it doesn’t exist except in the minds of FOX McNews).

Do everyone a favor…go back into being comtose…the semi coma you’re in right now worries everyone…

Wow Flashman,
Lets see, we can can put your name in there- – - – Wow…Flashman..you definitely are freakin’ today !
Oh well, you are always freakin’ and twisting and distorting. So, whats new? NOTHING.

Wanda,

Here are some facts for you, according to the Pentagon, most of the prisoners in Guantanamo are actually innocent. And most of what Bush tried was in fact illegal.

In a series of orders in 2001 and 2002, the Bush administration created a system of tribunals that specifically did not adhere to the standards set out in the Geneva Convention, arguing that as “non-state actors” the suspects were not entitled to that kind of protection; the system was also declared to be beyond review by federal courts. The government established a prison camp at Guantánamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba to hold these prisoners away from federal court jurisdiction, arguing that the right of habeas corpus — the fundamental right, centuries old, to ask a judge for release from unjust imprisonment — did not apply to foreigners being held outside the United States as enemy combatants.

In 2004, the Supreme Court disagreed, in a case named Rasul v. Bush. A Supreme Court decision in June 2006, Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, struck down military tribunals that the Bush administration had established shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks. The court ruled that the tribunals violated the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions.

In response, the Bush Administration and Congress effectively rewrote the law, by passing the Military Commissions Act of 2006. The measure broadened the definition of enemy combatants beyond the traditional definition used in wartime, to include noncitizens living legally in the United States as well as those in foreign countries and anyone determined to be an enemy combatant under criteria defined by the president or secretary of defense. In place of habeas proceedings, it said detainees could challenge their imprisonment only through hearings known as combatant status review trials. It allowed evidence seized in the U.S. or abroad without a search warrant to be admitted in trials. And while the bill barred the admission of evidence obtained by cruel and inhuman treatment, it made an exception for any obtained before Dec. 30, 2005, when Congress enacted the Detainee Treatment Act banning torture.

In a June 2008 decision in the case of Boumediene v. Bush, the Supreme Court overturned those portions of the law, finding that foreign terrorism suspects held at Guantánamo Bay have constitutional rights to challenge their detention in United States courts. In a harsh rebuke of the Bush administration, the Court rejected the administration’s argument that the individual protections provided by the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 and the Military Commissions Act of 2006 were more than adequate.

I recall reading that the reason US auto companies can’t make a profit is that in years back they agreed to UAW demands which today equate to labor costs of $73 per hour when the cost of paying for retirement, medical, and laid off are factored in. The union simply bled the industry to death. Government Motors (Obama Inc.) did not correct the problem, it simply compounded it by giving the union a big chunk of the industry as a reward for wrecking it. There is little difference between the way unions and Communist parties are run. In both cases, the thugs rise to the top. Thus far the unions have destroyed every major industry in this country except insurance and banking. It is the unions that have driven industries off shore with their destructive wage and work rule demands. I won’t begin to defend sweat shops, but unions have certainly proved to not be a cure for that problem. At least sweat shops provided work. Industries driven out of the country, don’t.

MR. HFLASHMAN,I TOO BELIVED, THAT AN AUTO LINE WORKER’S EARNINGS PER YEAR,WERE ARAUND 40.000 TO 50,000 BUT LEARN, THROUG THE FINANCIAL CAOUS, THAT WAS CREATED,DURING 2008, THAT AN AUTO LINE WORKER WAS ACTUALY MAKEING $ 153,000 + PER YR, THAT’S WHY THE AVERAGE AMERICAN, CAN’T AFFORD TO BUY A NEW CAR ANY MORE, IF A MAN THAT EARNS THAT MUCH FOR A REPETITIOUS KIND OF WORK, THAT GIVES HALF OF ITS MONEY TO UNIONS, AND INSURANS COMPANYS, NEEDLESS,TO SAY WILL BE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN AFFORD TO BUY THEM.

Good point about car prices Wanda !! My car was given to me by my older brother about 10 years ago. It’s a 1994 model. I can’t afford buying a new car right now.

You got to play the Federal Reserve System Wanda ! It’s OK to time your investments with what Ben and the boys are doing. You should minimize your suffering … refuse to be a victim ! Just because Americans haven’t got rid of the Fed (actually America has let it exist for the past 100 years) don’t let it get to you.

You got to surf the system, it’s all you have. Just take a deep breath and go for it …

Good one Jimmy Joe….Geo. Soros needs to be number one for the meat clever.

“Meat Cleaver” sounds extreme…until you start asking what all those FEMA (detainment prisons) camps are for…
Then, “extreme” may not be extreme enough!

Just a minor point to Bob Livingston’s article…When the country had a smaller and more limited gov’t,say back in the time of the Great Founders,we also had many people in the country who were entirely or partially left out of the so called American Dream…women,Blacks,Indians,non landowners. They couldn’t vote,were enslaved,abused,some not allowed to work or own property,etc. We also had a military not very capable of national defense and later an economic system that was controlled by big business and free to pollute and destroy as they wanted.

People who continue to shout,’smaller gov’t’ and ‘lower taxes’, should at least be honest and admit what kind of society we would have if we limit gov’t to the size and scope it was prior to FDR and the depression.

No one I know wants ‘big gov’t’ per se, what many thinking, compassionate and pragmatic people want is a gov’t large enough to maintain a healthy and prosperous country,where we don’t have people dying under bridges,business doesn’t have free rein to trample people or the environment and a reasonably sized military can defend the country and when necessary our interests abroad. We don’t want a gov’t any larger or more powerful than necessary.

In some ways,the gov’t of the ‘founders’ was even too powerful. Look up ‘Shay’s rebellion’ to see an early abuse of gov’t power immediately after the revolutionary war. The question of the size of gov’t is not a black and white or simple one,as most on the right want us to believe it is.

So correct Denniso. It’s like folks who want to abolish the EPA or the FDA. Okay fine,but what are you going to replace it with. Are the complainers going to keep a watchful eye on Big Pharma and make sure even worse drugs aren’t put out on the market. When folks get sick from tainted foods are they going to shrug their shoulders and say ,Oh Well? There is nothing we can do about it. If someone dumps chemicals in the local drinking water and poisons a few people who get sick or die. What are they going to do? No one to sue and that govt; agency won’t be there to help clean up. OH Well! I’m speaking directly to those who want to abolish these agencies and not necessarily to those who only think these agencies aren’t efficient enough. There is always room for improvement but I’m not willing to give up safeguards for public health because of anti-government furor.

There goes Dumniso again, fabricating facts out of thin air.
Reality is that Liberals whine incessantly about the big bad corporations. But what is it they do? Can they force us to buy their products, absent Big Government (which Dumniso wants)? I would agree that Crony Capitalism is a problem, but the Big Government that Dumniso wants goes hand in with Crony Capitalism.
Back to those Big Bad Corporate Officers. What do they do to us that is so bad? I don’t know off-hand, but I do know that Liberals want to force us to buy Health Insurance whether it is cost-effective or not. I do know that Liberals want to help themselves to other peoples’ money. I do know that Liberals want to force us to pay for ridiculously inefficient energy sources. What do those corporate officers do that is as evil as that? Inquiring minds want to know.

Why can’t DaveH respond to the points I made,rather than just making personal attacks? Is it because he has no response that makes sense?

The readers can decide which of us spews fabricated facts and which of us speaks truth, Dumniso.

If you would respond to the points I make rather than just go off on personal and childish attacks,then maybe readers could determine who makes sense or not. You don’t want a discussion,you want to spout your
views w/ no challenge from anyone…that’s childish and shows some lack of maturity.

You got to admit George Soros is a savvy investor !

If you want to learn what has been going on since Madison and the corruption in government, get a copy of the DVD entitled “The Power of the Purse”. I got sooooo ticked off, I had to take an extra blood pressure pill. This video tells it like it is and some other things that it shows really made my start thinking to the point I now have questions on 9/11 and you will also. It names names and shows faces of just who the new world order people really are and it will surprise you. It is a good watch and very informative as to how the banks and Federal Reserve have manipulated our economy for decades.

Wanda – I know what you mean.

If you want even more reason to get ticked off, try this one:

http://www.theamericansheeple.com/conspiracypolicestate_6.html

Kate. not long after that was filmed, the plastic coffins called polygaurd vaults, were trucked off to multiple FEMA relocation facilities.

They pulled Jesse Ventura’s expose on the FEMA camps from airing on TV. Looks like somebody got to somebody…
They really don’t want us thinking about those camps now do they?

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/291/780/

JC, I did see the original airing of that show.

Jeff, I couldn’t find it anywhere on the net last night.
here’s what a friend of mine, who is now working on a border project had to say about this:

“I am sure they have a special place for me ….. Vocal advocate of personal liberties, Ron Paul supporter, gun-owner / rights advocate, etc. I just talked to a young ex-marine the other day – works as a safety director for the new border patrol station – he out of the blue – said he is convinced the FEMA camps are labeled as “Population Control” and not as emergency centers and is scared of what is happening … this coming from a
26 year old ex-Iraq jarhead – I told him to look closely at the camps being prepared in S. Texas. Thousands of acres of infrastructure in place, slabs poured, w/o structures, crates of metal building components being delivered but not assembled – yet…

No my friend, it is not a joke, and we are on the cusp”

JC, The popular TV show on TruTV dropped a bombshell as FEMA camps confirmed by Jesse Ventura on ‘Conspiracy Theory’ has been pulled off the air! The Ventura show on FEMA camps, entitled ‘Police State’, has been removed from TruTV’s list of upcoming programing.

The bombshell FEMA Camps confirmed by Jesse Ventura on ‘Conspiracy Theory’ was when he actually knocked on the front door of one facility marked as a ‘Family Residential Camp’ in Texas. The facility looked like a prison, surrounded by a double-barbed wired fence. The fence had signs warning visitors not to bring residents materials that could be used for escape. There was even a playground for children with swing sets and slides. But the folks at the facility would not give Ventura much information, referring him to the DHS and ICE, the Immigration Criminal Enforcement agency. Alex Jones directed Ventura to another of the FEMA Camps locations where thousands of plastic ‘grave liners’ were being stored. Jones told Ventura each could be used as a coffin and hold four bodies in the event of a Mega-Death scenario, where a pandemic kills thousands suddenly. There is no doubt that whatever the situation, the FEMA camp story is again alive and well and full of mystery.
http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=7689

JeffH – I know. The night they were to air that episode on truTV, it was pulled. I was really disappointed.

But I watched it last night on the sight I posted. If you scroll down you’ll find all recent episodes, including that one.

I suppose that you think Obama is building ‘Fema camps’ to house U.S. citizens? It’s a fantasy not worth even the kook’s time. Get on to real stuff,like aliens living under the Nevada desert,or crop circles made by aliens.

You can suppose whatever you want to Denniso. You’re a waste of time.

dumniso
Don’t forget 911 Truther’s conspiracy or the Hildebeast “vast right wing conspiracy”.

Kate8; The video you posted doesn’t tell the whole story. These Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura clips are Michael Moore on steroids. Even Michael tells a story that you can follow to a conclusion. Jesse and his coffin theories or Alex and his Fusion camps. They are only videos rapidly clipped together without bringing out any meat and potato facts. There are not enough credible sources shown either.If every law enforcement agency has this information and knows where these 72 camps are;then that means not one single local or national police agency can be trusted. That is pretty much what one video said. The real reason for those coffins is in case of a biological attack and thousands are killed. The government must dispose of the bodies immediately to keep them from inflecting anyone else. In one video clip on FEMA (not the one you recommended) actually had “real” prisoners walking around in the yard. That would be a prison not a FEMA camp. The majority of political videos I’ve seen on U-Tube and on these weekly shows are so manipulated to the hosts point of view that they can’t be trusted. After you watch them you feel scammed and less informed not further educated.

Good job…keep the blinders on…

eddie, I’ve read plenty of other sources on FEMA camps to know that Jesse did a very thorough and credible job.

Funny thing, Jesse has always tilted to the Left politically. But he may be starting to reconsider. He seems to be doing a pretty fair job on his show, and I respect that.

Just keep looking through those rosy glasses, eddie. As for me, I don’t trust ANY politician.

JeffH – Jesse had an expose on a secret society (one that few ever heard of) in one episode, and the PTB forced him to yank that part out. Don’t doubt that anything that airs does so with the approval of the globalist mob.

I would’nt be surprised if all that trash Tv is yanked from the airwaves. If you and Jeff fall for all that nonsense and scare propaganda you’ll fall for anything. I know jeff needs to take the blinders off on some issues. Most those videos are poisoned with half truths and half lies. That alone makes them unworthy.

eddie?…WTF are all those camps for?
I mean the ones designed to keep people in…the ones with the big warehouses and gas tanks beside them…WTF are they for?
If you don’t have a logical response, do us a favor…Shut Up!

eddie chooses to accept the lies from politicians (“they don’t exist”) over direct evidence. No surprise there.

After all, politicians wouldn’t lie. Especially Progressives.

Would they?

eddie47d, take a good look around that Site that Kate linked to…

http://www.theamericansheeple.com

it was designed to wake the sheeple up.

eddie47d, does this sound familiar…

Baaaaaaa!

It means “Wake me when it’s over.”

The challenge with that, eddie47d, is YOU won’t ‘wake up’ because YOU’LL be in one of those FEMA coffins that don’t exist.

BTW: Are you, eddie47d, male or female? Because if you happen to be female and 47d is your breast size you might not fit into one of those FEMA coffins that don’t exist. If you are a male then kindly disregard. YOU’LL fit just fine.

Baaaaaa!

You people have now officially lost your collective minds.

Jesse Ventura for President !

DaveH

First of all these corporations you are defending are buying our politicians to do their bidding, that is why there is so much corporate welfare going on, that is why the big companies get by with not inspecting our food properly among many other things not in the best interest of the people.

These corporations outsource our jobs. They move their profits off shore so they can get out of paying taxes.

And was it you Dave that said the Liberals in congress want us to be forced to have health insurance? You are completely wrong there pal, cause it was the liberals who wanted a single payer system, or at least a public option, many did not vote for this system that we got, which is just another give away to the health care for profit system we have in this country.

Dave and others there is much to be angry at, but at least get your facts straight and place the anger where it belongs, not on the people who in fact defended the things you claim to care about.

Allen, if most of the people in the U S knew the whole of it they would not agree with the Military tribunals, not under these circumstances.

The Bush administration thought they could get around the Geneva Convention and other treaties and our own laws and Constitution by inventing the term enemy combatants, it never existed before and since the term does not appear in these laws or our constitution they thought they could skate.

If you love and respect our country, you have to also respect our laws and our Constitution. And any treaty this country enters into automatically becomes the law of our land. Did you not know this?

Very Good! Once everyone (not that it will happen) understands that 19 Islamic Radicals couldn’t have possibly pulled off 9/11, we might be on our way to healing this nation.

It is well known that Geo Soros controls the media – why else does the media ignore things that the Right does that are beneficial and litterally destroy anyone on the Right who does something wrong, no matter how small, yet the left goes unscathed, regardless of the monumental charges against them….(I hope that was clear). If Geo Soros and his minions have their way, we will all be fodder for his dictatorship mill. Is it possible that he is the anti christ?

Nah…Soros is Jewish. I’ve thought that perhaps B.O. will be. I’ve also thought that the new world order talked about is a biblical prophecy being fulfilled.

Soros is a Zionist…

Soros is an evil man with evil intent.

The Bible indicates that the future world dictator will not be a military man. Revelation also indicates that he may well be a banker of some kind as all will be required to have his mark IN their wrist or forehead and without it not even a king can buy or sell. Normally a mark would be ON and not IN and one recent translation of the Bible gets cute and says “tattoo on ones wrist…” but the original says IN, as a microchip would be inserted IN. There are other cryptic things written about those times in the Bible and one of them indicates that this genius who seems to solve problems we don’t even have yet (like world wide financial collapse and mass starvation) will not give any heed to the God of his forefathers. This would be irrelevant if it he were a Baptist or a Hindu but would be very relevant to the people of Israel where he will eventually demand to be worshipped in a temple to God yet to be built. This is why smarter men than I are convinced that whoever this future person is he will be of Jewish descent. As Jesus was the eptiome of God made flesh so His antithesis will be of Jewish descent and have the power to call fire down from the sky (whatever that means). He will be incredibly rich and will have (apparently) a robot sidekick (the scripture says a statue come to life) and this guy will be very convincing for those who do not know the Bible or have a relationship with Jesus. However, a lot of terrible things have to happen before all this comes about and those who wish for their children and grandchildred to make it through the difficult times that are coming had better have more than non-perishable food for them, but spiritual guidance and direction as well. Those who know God are are going to have a troublesome time ahead. Those who deny God or seek to be God may not make it through at all. Perhaps with the power of prayer and watching congress like a hawk, and getting rid of all who sell us out and squander our taxes, we can push this further down the road of history. I do not believe that the tripling of prices can be prevented but as scripture says “With God all things are possible.”

Richard Pawley – Good post.

Satan always tries to counterfeit God’s promises, so antichrist being Jewish would be logical. Could also be Muslim since, as Yeshua came from the line of Isaac, he could come from the line of his illegitimate brother, Ishmael. There are many Bible scholars who think this could be the case, and even many Muslim converts to Christianity espouse this.

The idea of a mark is a puzzling one. Cain bora a mark, too, but there is no indication of what that is. People are sometimes ‘marked’, referring more to a mark on the soul. It would seem logical that the mark would be a chip or tattoo, but many refute that, also.

I have long prayed that God help me to release all isms and preconceived ideas and teachings and be open to His Truth. Scripture has been misunderstood for so long, with so many differing teachings that the truth would seem hopelessly lost, were it not for God’s promise to reveal it in the Last Days.

We would do well to return to our Jewish roots and listen to a good Rabbi regarding Old Testament (especially the Torah) symbology. They have understood and preserved these truths, and are now willing to teach them to us. When we open to them, they are amazing and enlightening, and we really begin to understand.

The Bible says that in the Last Days Jew and Gentile will come together to form ‘one new man’. I think that process has begun.

You two can’t really believe that stuff,can you? We’re living in a world that none of the authors and translators of the bible could have fathomed and you still want to hold on to a dark ages and patchwork book as a guide for the present and future? The only validity in the bible is that there have always been people thoughout the eons who have figured out some truths about human nature,which hasn’t changed much in a million yrs or so.
What guide book was there before the bible,that only goes back a few thousand yrs,the old testament a little further? Do you give any credence to native american oral traditions as well as those of other indiginous people? Are you aware that there were human communities 100,000, 500,000 and more yrs ago who would have also tried to figure out life and death and the human condition? The bible is so recent in terms of human existence and it ignores all human experience before it…don’t try to say the Garden of Eden was real history.

Dennisso,

If you apply Einstein Theory on time dilation the Earth can very well be only a few thousand years old, while at the same time the Universe could be billions. It’s all relative. On one planet a light year may be longer (one moving at a higher velocity) on another a light year could be shorter (as on Earth presently)… Delta T ! Right on Einstein !!! It’s all in how space warps.

I wouldn’t discount the Creationist tendencies of these Christian Religionist. Evolution is also a religion ….

Victor, I’ve studies special relativity which is behind ‘time dilation’. Ive also read the creationist theory on a young earth and an old universe,and I have to say that it’s pure bunk and seudo science. They are trying to square a circle,by attempting to fit the old testament w/ modern science and all the evidence of a universe as old as 15 billion years. They don’t seem to worry about all the evidence showing the earth is about 4.5 billion yrs old.
with all due respect to you Victor, evolution is not religion…it is one of the most proven theories we have in science.

Denniso,

You jest that evolution is “proven” ! I am having a good chuckle ! You seem like the Professor in a “CHICK Tract” called “Big Daddy” ! HA HA Here is the hyperlink …

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp

I believe Kent Hovind had something to do with this comic ! Very intelligent man. A little bit to conservative. Hopefully the government will free him from prison soon.

Interesting watching the Hovind’s series on Creationism. His message has “evolved” over the years – gotten better. He seems to be sticking more to science and less on conspiracy theory. It is unfortunate the government is punishing him rather harshly. Oh yes before I forget – FREE HOVIND !!!

Denniso,

It seems Hovind’s updated “tract” mention gluons ! Amazing ! The man is on his way to possibly understanding fermions !

What a waste having him in prison…..

Victor….you sound like a reasonable guy and I appreciate your sense
of humor…sorely lacking here. But, it’s true that evolution is one of the most ‘proven’ scientific theories we have. Now, to be technically correct, no scientific theory is ever absolutely ‘proven’,
it just becomes more ‘true’ w/ a preponderance of evidence that accumulates over time. Evolution is not absolutely ‘proven’, but it is very close to that. That doesn’t mean that everything is known about the science of evolution as scientists are probably going to be working on it for many decades and finding out more about it over time.

Think about the science behind gravity…we have a pretty good idea of how it works,but we still don’t really know the mechanism that causes the force of gravity. Scientists are still studying it…Einstein came up w/ a new theory that is somewhat accepted,but is still a bit mystical and more than strange. He said that large masses distort space and that essentially causes bodies to ‘fall’ toward the larger ones…no force required, he said. I don’t actually
buy into his theory,but most physicists do. My point is that we even still struggle to define something as relatively simple as gravity,
but we don’t look for a religious rational for it. Same w/ evolution…we are working on the science of evolution and have built up much real evidence for it, but we don’t need to turn it over to religion because it provides a simple answer. Science is hard and takes lots of work over eons…religion is simple and simplistic and that’s why some look to it for the difficult questions.

Denniso,

Don’t consider this an insult ! All in jest…

If faith is the “substance of things unseen but yet hoped for” (if I may borrow from Fundie Theology) then you have “Faith” in a belief called “Evolution” – that it’s all going to proven “scientifically” in the “end” ?

HA HA !!

Their is hope for you yet Denniso – you religous fellow !

I don’t buy any and all scientific theories,but there is a huge difference between scientists working for yrs,decades and even centuries to unravel the mysteries of the universe compared to reading one book and then emphatically declaring absolute ‘truths’.

I don’t ‘believe’ there is much to string theory and I also think that special relativity is wrong…the former accepted by many physicists and the latter accepted by almost all physicists.

Richard, good reply. I think we are close but not quite into that time yet. We are in the midst of the experimentation into it though. As of yet we do not have the technology for the statue come to life but that one will come in my lifetime I have no doubt(I am 42)

As for the insertion of the chip we are near that point now. But this will come more in the form of nano technologies.They will be able to insert these without our knowledge(vacniations?)They can be set to record our movements,our bio-information(health records)and even our reading and media prefrance.

Calling fire from the sky. Hmm thats a good one that may sound like a supernatural power but its not. We allready have plane based lazers. The next step is to place these same systems in space via satlite technologies. To a profit who was givin these revelations this would seem like calling fire from the skies.

The horsemen are almost all in place. Diseas is a good one too. We have bioengineered plagues that can destroy millions in days. Famins and swarms of locust as well. We are now genitically engineering our food supplies such as grain stocks. Its very easy to slip up and create resistant strains of insects by default(the dissapperance of the honey bee?). The oceans and waters will be as red as blood and 1/3 of all life therein shall perish. ever hear of a red tide? These normally only occur in our oceans but suppose a strain of this mutates to live in freash waters? To a profit reveled this information would not it appear as if the seas and waters had turned red as blood?

Even amoungst all of this chaos we are given a hope.For thoes who choose to belive. There shall be a time when the skies will part and a great trumpet sounds. And Jesus returns at the head of the heavenly host. At this time the armies of the anti-christ are struck down in their tracks and the meek(followers of christ) inherit the kingdom of god.This kingdom on earth set up by god is to last for a 1000 years(maby literly but I am not one to try to cram god into our time frame)Untill the final judgement of god is played out.Maby thats the timeframe where this planet is no longer able to support life?And we are transferd into heaven in our glorified bodies(our true spiritual forms?) All that remains to be seen but I for one choose to belive its true. And will live my life accordingly. Mike L.

Mike, The image that is made to speak is not necessarily a robot or statue. It could refer to a screen image or even a hologram. The TV could be the image of the beast. These are things that, in that time, would not have been understood.

Let me add my limited knowledge…..

I think Jesus said “As it was in the days of noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man” … I’m not sure what verse but He goes into more detail ….

One of the characteristics of Noah’s days was a long life .. (if you weren’t murdered !). I think we have quite some time before the Apocalypse. Mankind isn’t living to 900 years yet. Once the longevity factor starts kicking in, and persons have a biological life expectancy of close to 900 years then we will see the coming of the Son of Man ….

Plus, persons will be smarter when they live longer, and probably have more of an evil inclination ….

Mike and Kate8, if the Book of Revelation says the anti-Christ or the world leader’s sidekick (my word) is a statue that comes to life then I believe that in John’s eye he saw what looked like a statue coming to life. It might have been a robot or even a cyborg. If he saw a TV screen he would have said he saw an image. I agree with Denniso who says that the writers back then could not imagine what they were seeing and explained it in terms that those in their day could understand. In “LEAVING SOUTH CAROLINA” I mention a coffee break I sat in on in the IBM Systems Development Laboratory and all of these top scientists and engineers from various places on the globe were discussing what that mark could be. They assumed it was a computer of some kind but could not fathom, even in 1966, what it could be. Today we have a much better idea. Over 1900 years ago John also wrote in Revelation that he saw something like a burning mountain crash into the sea and it killed one third of all the creatures in the sea. A burning mountain is a pretty good description of a huge asteroid or even a comet, and as I mentioned in that book it was not until the comet passed by in 1995 or 1996 that we discovered X-Ray radiation coming out of it. It was the first such comet ever discovered to have that. If it or one like it crashed into the sea it might well kill one third of everything in the sea. The point is that some of the book of Revelation was a vision that John had of modern and future times. He could no more explain it that we can the difference between the time we experience in the physical world and the timelessness that we will experience once we step over the line into the spiritual world (once we die). The Bible is not concerned with science but there is much science in it. Even in the old testament in a part written two and a half thousand years ago there is reference to the roundness of the earth but a thousand years ago men who did not know the Bible believed the world to be flat. There is a reference to the emptiness of the northern sky and yet when we look up we see roughly the same number of stars as if we look in the other directions. Those who chose to reject God sometimes pointed that out. However, when the Hubble space telescope looks north there is a vast relative emptiness not seen by human eyes and the writer of those ancient words had no Hubble to tell him that. There is to much in Bible to write about here or even in one book and those who do not want to believe are not forced to do so. They will be held to account even if they do not believe that. One doesn’t have to ‘believe’ in gravity to have it apply and the laws of the universe, like “whatsoever you sow, that also shall you reap” apply whether you believe them or not. I’ve seen generous criminals have good things happen to them because they were generous but they eventually paid with their life because they were not good men but murderers. God loves us all but he forces no one to believe in Him. He is always there and there is nothing anyone can do to make Him love them more than He already does. God is bigger than we can conceive (I find just our galaxy bigger than I can conceive, much less the Universe). Those who don’t know the revealed truths of the Bible do not know what they are missing and we who have been blessed to discover the truth of it only understand a little. About 80 years ago Jesus told a woman in England that her entire life was but a parenthesis in a sentence in a paragraph, on a page of the book of her life. Birth opens the parenthesis and death closes it, then back to real-life history. She complained to him one time that there was so much to learn. “What are you complaining about?” He replied to her, “you have forever to learn it all!” She did not have forever HERE, and neither do we, but we should be learning and growing or much of life will be wasted. The most powerful force in the universe is not the atom or it’s splitting but the power of love and the power of prayer. May God bless all who read this.

Viktor, you mention “I think Jesus said “As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man”. I think what He was saying is that it was relatively normal, people were going about their business, “marrying and giving in marriage” and were completely unaware of what was going on around them and what was about to happen. His return and the end of the “end of days” could be a long ways off, but even that which has been found using computer software in the Bible (The Isaac Newton Bible Code Research Society) indicates that the beginning of the ‘end of days’ has begun, not in 1948 with the foundation of Israel as many believed but in the decade when the Bible Code itself was discovered, the 1990′s.

Richard Pawley,

Thanks for the reply.

Bankers=Capitalists=Corporate greed.They work hand in hand so don’t be blaming everything on your leftist scapegoats.

Eddie, I dont see anywhere in the bible where the profession of the anti-christe was mentioned either. Only this he will come as a false profit. Which leads me to belive he will come as some greatly admired religous leader. Who’s true agenda will be the enslavement of man kind Mike L.

Blaming the corporatons again…when does government step in and stop the corporate greed? They won’t because you don’t bite the hand that feeds you…aka…greedy and dirty politicians love to suck from the money they allow the corporations to earn through their shady deals. Stop the lobbying and the greedy politicians from making deals with the corporations and you’ll stop the government/corporate greed dead in their tracks. The politicos have their hands buried deep in the pockets of the corporations.
Maybe someday you’ll get it. As for the bankers, I’ll just say international banksters, Jekyll Island, Federal Reserve, International Monetary Fund, CFR, UN, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs and the House of Rothschilds.

GET EDUCATED. The first thing anyone can do and should do is to educate oneself on the subject. The book ECONOMIC SOLUTIONS is a good place to start. Another source is A PLEA FOR THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES by George Bancroft. Another highly-recommended book on the subject of the Federal Reserve is THE CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND by G. Edward Griffin.

eddie47d, read Revelations 2:9,3:9. he’s referring to who runs the world, the Zionists. go to iamthewitness.com.

Eddie,
Those greedy capitalists pale in comparison to you Greedy Liberals who want the biggest gang in the land (Government) to feather your nests with other peoples’ money.

Dave H. I admitted months ago that Big Government can weigh a nation down.My opinion doesn’t negate the need for government; just like your opinion doesn’t move Capitalists up there on some pedestal.Neither one needs to be glorified.

Eddie,
You have read enough of my comments to know that I don’t put anybody on a pedestal unless they earn it. I have never said all Capitalists are good, or that all Government officials are bad. I am just realistic enough to know that Greed has no limits. And it is laughable to me that you can call people Greedy for making voluntary contracts, but turn a blind eye to people who want to forcibly take our money. You are just envious of successful people, Eddie. Face it.

artinthewild,
Are kidding us, you better look again at who owns the media. George Soros is an activist when in comes to the media but does not in fact own any of it.

Media

Does Soros own or operate any U.S. media outlets?

No.

What is his relationship with the media?

George Soros is an advocate for media independence and diversity, believing those traits to be important aspects of open societies. With his support, the Open Society Foundations have worked to protect freedom of the press, expand public access to information, and promote high-quality, independent journalism.

The Open Society Foundations play a crucial role in supporting investigative journalism, as well as providing emergency legal aid and making safety training available to journalists working in dangerous or oppressive environments.

Most of the Foundations’ media-related grant making goes to organizations outside of the United States.

For more details on this issue, consult:

Open Society Institute Media Program

A right wing foreigner named Rupert Murdock owns the largest share of the MSM in this country.

If you don’t know anything about a subject at least learn something about it before you talk.

It is okay to have an opinion, but don’t try to pass it off to other people as fact.

The U.S. media landscape is dominated by massive corporations that, through a history of mergers and acquisitions, have concentrated their control over what we see, hear and read. In many cases, these giant companies are vertically integrated, controlling everything from initial production to final distribution. Here is information about the largest U.S. media firms.

2009 revenues: $157 billion
General Electric media-related holdings include television networks NBC and Telemundo, Universal Pictures, Focus Features, 26 television stations in the United States and cable networks MSNBC, Bravo and the Sci Fi Channel. GE also owns 80 percent of NBC Universal.

2009 revenues: $36.1 billion
The Walt Disney Company owns the ABC Television Network, cable networks including ESPN, the Disney Channel, SOAPnet, A&E and Lifetime, 277 radio stations, music and book publishing companies, production companies Touchstone, Miramax and Walt Disney Pictures, Pixar Animation Studios, the cellular service Disney Mobile, and theme parks around the world.

2009 revenues: $30.4 billion
News Corporation’s media holdings include: the Fox Broadcasting Company; television and cable networks such as Fox, Fox Business Channel, National Geographic and FX; print publications including the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post and TVGuide; the magazines Barron’s and SmartMoney; book publisher HarperCollins; film production companies 20th Century Fox, Fox Searchlight Pictures and Blue Sky Studios; numerous websites including MarketWatch.com; and non-media holdings including the National Rugby League.

2009 revenues: $25.8 billion
Time Warner is the largest media conglomerate in the world, with holdings including: CNN, the CW (a joint venture with CBS), HBO, Cinemax, Cartoon Network, TBS, TNT, America Online, MapQuest, Moviefone, Warner Bros. Pictures, Castle Rock and New Line Cinema, and more than 150 magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, Fortune, Marie Claire and People.

2009 revenues: $13.6 billion
Viacom holdings include: MTV, Nickelodeon/Nick-at-Nite, VH1, BET, Comedy Central, Paramount Pictures, Paramount Home Entertainment, Atom Entertainment, and music game developer Harmonix. Viacom 18 is a joint venture with the Indian media company Global Broadcast news.

009 revenues: $13 billion
CBS Corporation owns the CBS Television Network, CBS Television Distribution Group, the CW (a joint venture with Time Warner), Showtime, book publisher Simon & Schuster, 30 television stations, and CBS Radio, Inc, which has 130 stations. CBS is now the leading supplier of video to Google’s new Video Marketplace.

Now you will find George Soros owns none of the these media conglomerates.

Keep Howell-ing at the moon! You couldn’t see the forest for the trees…all of you Marxist/socialist/communists think alike.

As for Soros, here is all we need to know about the backstabbing Nazi sympathizer and his quest to destroy a free America through his subversive activity and organizations.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=977

Carole,

If people want to listen to Rupert, or George, that’s their right. All them corporation run the media ! They only tell you enough so you will buy their products and be a good consumer …. Isn’t capitalism grand !

I mean, if I owned the media wouldn’t I maximize my broadcast with enough truth/facts/propaganda/lies so persons will buy my product ?
Isn’t that the American Way ?

Wally, Where are you from? Not an aussie by chance are you? I like it when we get people from other countries here to give us perspective.Thanks for your input and continue to post please. Mike L.