Average Joe,
Perhaps I didn’t make myself clear I abhor Political Correctness.

As for the line item veto, the president already has limited veto power yet no one would confuse that with dictatorship. Right now bills come to the desk of the president with a mixed bag of proposed legislation, some good, some bad. He is then forced to decide whether or not the good out weigh the bad and pass the bill or veto it and risk throwing the baby out with the bath water. Bills that reach the presidents desk have already gone through an up or down vote as per the founders wishes. A line item veto would allow a president a final culling before passing the legislation and thus saving the tax payer time and money.

In regards to potential abuse, the onus is on we the people to elect constitutional conservatives who can be trusted with our future. We can only hope that lessons were learned in the last election circus and the fallout that has ensued.

I was simply stating that I too already kick political correctness to the curb. As for the line item veto, if each bill or legislation came to the presidents desk with no riders attached at all…there would be no need for the line item veto. The president would simply sign it or veto it (in which case the congress can override the presidents veto if they so desire). By doing this (one bill, no riders), we eliminate the need for a line item veto.Again, this may slow down congress a bit….which means less damage to the nation as a whole.

Line item veto?…bad idea.Read Chuckb and my reply below.
Political correctness?….Sorry…I call a spade a spade…PC is for bleeding heart liberal whiners…”Real” people don’t whine….it isn’t pretty.

Yea I didnt understand that one either. Might be a line from a book somewhere? Would have been better if he had put it in some form of context. Mike L.

Michael J.
Actually that was Nobummer trying to make sense without his ‘prompter!!!

LOL!

Patriot, I wish more people would wake up. But I fear with the education the last 2 generations have recived there is nothing left to wake up. I think they are taught from an early age now capitolisim is a dirty word. And the goverment is the only fair way to run things. Young minds full of mush turn into adult minds that cant even comprehend the simplist of logic. Mike L.

Patriot,
It is just like Warren Buffet saying that he would be willing to pay more. Here is a man with one foot in the grave and the other on a bananna peel and HE doesn’t mind paying more??? Good let him leave 40% to his family and give the rest to the Government!! See how much he likes that Idea!!!

Thank you Vigilant,

kind and thoughtful words are rare from you.

But I’ve read though your stance and understood many of your thoughts over the months and have a clear idea where you are coming from. Finding it necessary to tow the “conservative” line against a democratically stacked house and 1st chair position.

There are people on both sides of the isle that would be quick and readily take advantage of anything that might be perceived as a “love fest” and we can disagree about HCR all day, while neither of us really like the final outcome.

Politicians handle and guide through the legislative process large blocks of money. In so doing, they are forewarned as to where and when this money might arrive. This leaves it to their digression whom might know early and be prepared to take full advantage, including themselves and family members. This “reality” brings them money and power, with this power many things can be achieved. ~ and some are better at it then others.

If you can’t win while your dealing you are not being very effective.

It’s a nasty game, politics. Much nastier then many might know.

LBJ could wield power, but he could tell you where your car was parked at 2 am in the morning, he knew who you had lunch with last week. He knew where the bodies were buried and would remind you that he knew. A rascal, he was and a very effective one.

As for business today ~ it’s being choked off, ~ primarily by lenders I suppose. I keep waiting for someone to blink ~ there sure is a lot of things that need address as we sit parked and getting only leaner in the process. The wealthy knows this and are running out the clock. They can do “nothing” for several years if necessary.

The wealthy seem to take November and December off as a rule, so I don’t see much happening until business budgets start coming forward in Early February and March of 2011.

So I see little need to go fish and much need for tighten up and sharping edges knowing it coming and be prepared to make the best of what is there. Capture as much of your market as you can.

They are still flushing commodes and running Air-conditioners out the somewhere, just like they always have. I’m just not seeing at many.

Who cares for brains,
Just what the heck do YOU call 17 years of not fully paying your taxes??? You do it and you will be UNDER the jail!!!

Sure does for he is right on the money. Since lowering the tax rate did little to spur job growth then there could be an opposite conclusion. The wealthy got even richer by outsourcing jobs,laying of workers and avoiding taxes. They got their “instant gratification” off the backs of others. We can attack welfare for the poor and sometimes rightfully so. We should also go after welfare for the wealthy instead of coddling these “poor” souls. It’s time they paid the piper instead of their constant lust for more at the expense of the shrinking middle class.

Absolutely! Give them an inch; they’ll take a mile1 Would that they were all like Buffett, Pickens and Gates – wanting to help the country as a whole, while still making money! So true that they’ve been given breaks for so long and still move out of country and are not hiring. What makes anyone think that given more time, they’ll start hiring again? Ridiculous. So many are like the Marie Antoinette: “Let them eat cake.” You see what happened to her! Another thing is that not all the wealthy are business owners, so creating jobs does not even apply to them. Showbiz people can stand to pay a little more in taxes.

Answer for both of you Karolyn and Eddie. Consumption based tax system. This way everyone pays the same amount rich or poor.But at the end of each month the poor recive back taxes on neccisities such as food houseing and clothing. The rich also recive this back as well but they would recive less because the spend less on actual food. The food they spend on at restraunts is not included in a monthly rebate plan. If you 2 were to actually read the bill and the books you might see this is the answer we all are looking for.Not just the mainstream medias explaniation of it.The Oh look crowd that says oh they just want a 26% national sales tax. Actually the prices for goods and services either drop or stay about the same when all the embedded taxes are removed. Also the tax base is moved onto a market economy.Which is up to 5 times larger than an income based system. Mike L.

Mike, You don’t think the rich eat at home? I would guess that many, if not most of them do. They all have cooks, but just like “regular folk” many of them I am sure do like to cook.

Karolyn, The majority of them travel more though. And this results in more consumption at restraunts. They also travel more in buisness as well. Me and the family consume at least 2 home cooked meals per day and 3 if we are lucky. I carry leftovers for luch for the most part and eat at restruants on special occasions.I would say this is probly the norm for most of us here in the middle class. Especially during these times.Mike L.

Sorry my spelling is atrocious today. I participated in our churches entry into the christmas parade. Started building a float at 7am yesterday and finished walking the parade route with it last night at about 8:30pm. Kinda feeling my age a bit today.

“What makes anyone think that given more time, they’ll start hiring again?”

History, Karolyn, history. If you and eddie would stop the mental masturbation and start reading a little unrevised history, you might learn something. Precisely whom do you expect to create jobs in this country? The employees? The government?

Vigilant – Entrepeneurs usually do not start out rich, but they have the guts to pursue their dreams; so it is not necessarily the rich who do all the hiring. They are the people to push this economy. Also, many of those entrepeneurs need the money that the SBA can get them. Are you against the SBA btw?

“Entrepeneurs usually do not start out rich, but they have the guts to pursue their dreams; so it is not necessarily the rich who do all the hiring. They are the people to push this economy. Also, many of those entrepreneurs need the money that the SBA can get them. Are you against the SBA btw?”

Karolyn, it’s been said that, given the tremendous over-regulation and taxation of small businesses today, Bill Gates would never have been able to start Microsoft. THAT’S the result of liberal/socialist policies. I find it inconceivable that a person such as yourself can advocate policies which stifle the growth of business, and then turn around and ask ME if I’m against SBA loans to small business!

You’re absolutely right that “it is not necessarily the rich who do all the hiring.” The problem that’s looking you square in the eye and you fail to see it, is that the bulk of small business falls into the income bracket of above $250K, and THEY are the ones you and Obama want to classify as “the rich.” THEY are the ones who will suffer under this “hate the rich” umbrella of socialism, and employees will not be hired, or laid off, because of the tax increase proposed.

A typical move by Obama was to loosen the restraints on SBA and bank borrowing by small business, while urging an increase in their taxes. Unbelievable. He throws a political crumb to small business, purely for the good publicity it will give him, while planning to sock it to them come January 1st.

Small business depends on certainty in a volatile economic environment, and certainty as to how the government will act is conspicuously absent, thanks to this administrations policies. A strong commitment by the Gov’t to decline raising income tax rates on “the rich” is the type of certainty they need. Business in this country is sitting on trillions of dollars that will remain on the sidelines unless and until government can prove that it is willing to adopt Capitalist-friendly policies.

If government can do that, it will unleash the tremendous power of American ingenuity and entrepreneurial spirit that can get the wheels of economic progress moving again.

There are still businesses being started, even in this economy. I get what you’re saying Vigilant; however, I’m just not convinced. I do listen to both sides. I consistently try to listen to both sides and look at how there can be compromise. However, I still can’t go over to your way of thinking. I heard today that they might raise the income limit to $1,000,000. Would that be better for you. Part of my problem, I guess, is that I have been pretty poor financially for most of my life; and to me, $250,000 per year is being a millionaire. I’m live pretty nicely these days on WAAAAY below that, like $20,000 per year? I was living on nothing for over 3 years.

Karolyn,
lady, you have just got to get out of this idea that 250,000 is “rich”! It’s nowhere near rich! It doesn’t even know rich! One million dollars today isn’t rich anymore! they are “comfortable”, not rich!One million dollars today is more like 15,000 in the fifties! very comfortable but rich’s poor cousin!!

When people start to understand that raising the tax rates result in pushing the middle class into poverty, then this non-sense will end, think these things through! If it was not for the people who took a risk by starting businesses then there would be no blue collar or middle class jobs. Most business owners are hard working (60 plus hours per week) with no guarantees for income, insurance, etc. they risk everything. In addition, if their business goes under they cannot even draw unemployment, it seems like everyone else gets bailed out, not the small business owner!

By the way, how much is enough for taxes, most business owners pay over 50% of their income to taxes (when you account for income, sales, property, etc.), it seems that makes them a government employee, right? Would anyone survive paying 40 to 50% of their income to taxes? Stop trying to demonize small business owners these people generate most of the employment in this country, without these people taking significant risks for their benefit and the betterment of their employees we would all have nothing!

Can’t people see that this class warfare is exactly with our politicians are trying to create, Stop the Madness! Our only line of defense, short of violence, right now, is the Republican Party, conservative movement and tea party! This could change and I do not agree with everything, but I agree mostly with cutting spending and I know the democrats do not seem trustworthy in this area.

I always believed that our elected officials had our best interests at heart, the more I learn and observe the behind the scenes motivations of these folks the less I feel they are capable of fixing anything! New blood is what is needed, stay the course this will be a longer Journey then any of us thought! We need all Americans to stand together, stop putting each other down and into classes we are one and the same!

Excellent post.

Raising taxes to the level the Dems want will make American business the HIGHEST taxed business of all the industrialized nations. These socialists want not just to kill the goose that lays the golden egg, they want to cremate her and spread her ashes over the poverty-stricken nation they will have created.

What a bunch of totally ignorant people.

Vigilante;There are excellent companies in America who are straight forward and grow on integrity.There are also small businesses who do struggle and need healthy profits to survive from one year to the next. I certainly don’t want something I didn’t earn and really dislike painting every business with the same brush. Unfortunately the good businesses aren’t willing to take on the dishonest entrepreneurs. It’s almost like they stand together and are willing to let bad things happen. Maybe they feel it’s none of their business what another company does. Even when it effects Their integrity. Now there is a mental masturbation! You see things that are wrong and do nothing about it. Too many companies think they deserve more (just because they can)and could care less about the consequences. (Lehman Bros.,Countrywide,Big Pharma,Merrill Lynch). They once had integrity but bit into the apple of greed. Since these companies flourished at one time and the hanky panky still went on without any oversight then the trust is gone. The public did nothing,Wall St did nothing and our government did nothing to stop their unearned wealth. We have been swindled as a nation and the companies that survived (whether they were honest or not)aren’t providing jobs. Yet their Management teams are still padding their pockets. You want to give them a break,heck no! Their whole sewer system needs to be cleaned out before I believe in them again.You can call us ignorant all you want or socialists if that makes you fee better. I say these companies and a few government officials should have taken the garbage out right after Enron.They choose not to clean up their act so we shouldn’t have any more pity parties for their incompetence. If taxing the wealthiest is the only thing they understand then so be it.

eddduuuuhhh! I noticed you named all those “evil” businesses but listed none of the “good and straight forward” ones!!!

That’s great news and good to hear you feel that way SC Murf

and what is your product?

Sidedump trailers,hauling everything from rip rap, gravel and agra. products. We are down 2/3rds from where we were but now are holding our own.

being just 1/3 down today ~ is very good these days.

I’ve got two fronts, commercial and residential ~ commercial is up 60% and residential down 90%. The Commercial being up has more to do with wise business choices and good fortune then the economy.

I’m grateful ~

Troy, you pay 33% to 36% of taxes. They pay 10% to 12% wich is higher? Its not hard and need not to be a genius to figure this out. I under stand your are a republican, I know you can chew and walk at the same time I know you can do it.

I have no clue what you are talking about. The rate they want to raise is now at 36% and they want to raise it to 39%. Where are you getting this 10 to 12% figure from?

Well Joe, it’s hard to say, and opinions differ, I’m not a liberal/progressive but I have added 3 persons this year in spite and could hire more if the money would loosen up. But I can’t get too far out ahead of my money.

The GOP has done everything the can to see things don’t improve and they have been effective as well. They got a black democrat setting in the white house and that troubles them more the a bad economy, as it’s really not all that bad at their house.

Barb Wire
I hope you clean up a little better after yourself in the residential work than you do here. Otherwise I can see why it’s down 90%! you are spreading something a little smelly here. When you said that the GOP wants to keep things the way they are, didn’t they just stop a non- funded expediture of 500 billion dollars just last week? Didn’t you say that a balanced budget helps keep the economy running? You spend unfunded, and you create debt. Now WHO was it that wanted to spend unfunded???

“Didn’t you say that a balanced budget helps keep the economy running? You spend unfunded, and you create debt. Now WHO was it that wanted to spend unfunded??”

No, I don’t remember saying that. Place it inside some context and maybe I will. The national debt is presently 13.8 trillion and the current administration is responsible of only 1.6 of it while we have 40.4 million Americans on welfare rolls out of a total of 345 million Americans that live inside our national boundaries along with 30 million illegals, ~ so what’s your point?

And retail is down 65 to 95% for everyone in my market ~ and yea it stinks Joe but not due to my conduct or decisions. I live in the same country you do that decided a few years back “W” had the stuff to lead a nation to economic prosperity and defend liberty.

By the way Barb wire,
you still didn’t answer two other questions I asked!!! Pickin and choosin??

Well, Joe ? word your question(s) in such a way an answer can be offered and I will do my best.

I feel as if I have and suspect I will continue to pay more. As I find myself in the middle, bailing out both the poor, rich and government alike.

It appears me and other like me are the only ones with a money tree in the backyard and still capable of producing these days. You want that in $20′s or $100′s Joe?

Scott , you have been programed and really fail to know much about anything outside your programing and that is that all Liberal is bad and Tea Party, GOP and conservative very good.

This hate for Naughty Nancy and Horrible Harry is because they were very affective, they did their jobs serving the majority of Americans that put them in office! If they were seen as being ineffective the GOP would loved them.

So get a grip and an a overview about what’s truly afoot today and quit being just a ditto-head, a empty shirt, a mouth piece for the right and attempting to pee on our leg at every turn in the road.

“This hate for Naughty Nancy and Horrible Harry is because they were very affective, they did their jobs serving the majority of Americans that put them in office!”

Sorry, Bob, I guess you didn’t read the election results. The two criminals you mention did not serve the majority, they steadfastly ignored the will of the people. If Nancy was so effective, why were Dem candidates running as far away from her and Obama as they could?

I wouldn’t call a budget-busting scheme that affects 1/6 of the economy, passed over the majority will of the people, “serving the majority.” Facts are indeed stubborn things.

As I said, they were very effective! if you think they passed bills against a majority you valid my point Vigilant

I’m sorry but when someone stands before the world and trys to defy the Constitution and ram bills thru that will cost this already economic hurting country of ours bills that are going to cost me and my child thousands upon thousands of dollars to pay for illegals tuition, illegals rights to vote, illegals rights to citizenship, forced healthcare…..(I could go on) while they continue to break the law, live hypocritically while telling the American people how “WE SHOULD LIVE BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHATS BEST FOR US”. They continue EVER day to further envade our civil liberties and yet you question why anyone would dislike them? It is not because they Choose to be effective for the best of the “People”, it is because they Choose to be all they can be for their Personal agenda and that alone!

“when someone stands before the world and trys to defy the Constitution and ram bills thru that will cost this already economic hurting country of ours bills that are going to cost me and my child thousands upon thousands of dollars to pay for illegals tuition, illegals rights to vote, illegals rights to citizenship, forced healthcare…..(I could go on)”

well? that’s more stipulated opinion, cause and effect. As far as spending goes, it’s not been that far off for the year as 43′s spending,
and even today it’s not all been spent but projected.

“O” and the 111th congress is responsible for 1.6 Trillion of a 13.9 Trillion National Debit.

You really wouldn’t have like to have seen what didn’t happen if some of this spending wasn’t done. And I find that no less weak of an argument then we giving credit to “W” for 9-11 type attacks that didn’t happen.

Strip anti-trust immunity from health care providers and we can start talking about other options of HCR. Until then, we got what we manged to get, which it better for everyone rather then a few.

and as I say, Dirty Harry & Nasty Nancy were very effective and all this “hate” only proves it.

If you believe that, then I have a bridge you might be interested in. The parents of these young people will, of course have to be here, and since there are no jobs, look for welfare to explode. And just HOW do you think this in-state college will be paid for? Can you say gov’t grants? More tax dollars to waste. The solution is to stop spending. When you find yourself in a hole……STOP DIGGING.

You need to go take reading lessons for you contradicted both my points.

And you need psychiatric help if you can’t see that the only way he could contradict your points was to read them.

So much for Vigilante being a smart man, go wallow in your ignorance somewhere else.

edduuuuhhh!
Go look up contradicted in the dictionary!!!! If he didn’t agree with your posts he SHOULD have contradicted them!!!!

Delores,
Good! Ihope he’s out on the street till he freezes his azz off!!!

who cares for brains,
I guess you mean those retirees that have worked almost their entire life saving here and there and made some good investments and are now living off those, retirement and social security???

Oh, I know, just like your hero Nobummer, you think they have lived their usefulness and should just take a pill or two and drift off………. end of life!

quote; Since when did other nations have any rights over the US LAW and Constitution?
Answer; Sense Obumer took office. It’s evident he is out to destroy everything the the constitution stand for. But what can one expect from an illegal Muslim.

Delores; You have swallowed the Republican (extreme right wing ) swill for too long now. The Dream Act does not allow illegals to bring families to the USA. It’s for children and young adults who are already here and it’s cost effective. So there is no nightmare or scary bogeyman behind the proposal. You are the one drumming up the fearful talk. In your previous comment you brought up that Soros somewhat runs this country which is also an extreme right talking point. It’s not much different than the Koch brothers or the Chamber of Commerce and their influence. So you have really fallen into the right wing pudding by loosing your sense of balance.

Eddie, The fear of it is its a first step process. Do you think it would end with just the children? No then it would be time to declare us heartless for abandoning the parents of these poor children.This is a first step in the open borders american block.Right now how are we even in a position to do this? I ask you this out of a passion for human life not out of any social plan. We bring them in as citizens what then? Offer them welfare in a broken system.Offer them free medical care that if not changed soon may only just be better than vetranary care. We certinly do not have surplus jobs to ofer them. Most of us dont even have jobs ourselves. We bring them out of a 3rd world country just for them to enter a slideing 1st world country. Only to have us become more like the third world country they came from. Maby this is the right idea being offerd at the wrong time? Lets think before we promis anyone else around the world that things are bette here in the United states. Lets clean up our own house so we have something to truly offer immagrants again. Not just more of the same of what they left. Then maby they would want to be here leagly again and not just to game the system. Mike L.

eddie… The Dream Act is cost effective? How?

Robin, please don’t buy into eddie’s attempt to turn this into a dollars and cents discussion. It doesn’t matter what economics he uses (even the quasi-legitimate argument that college graduates make better producers and taxpayers).

The discussion can only be framed as a discourse on what’s legal and what’s illegal. ILLEGAL immigrants are just that. And violating our Constitutional principles by opening the door to this type of nonsense just dilutes the respect for rule of law, the ONLY thing that has kept this country together since its inception.

Moreover, the Feds have no Constitutional right to meddle in the business of education. That’s clearly under the Tenth Amendment.

edduuuhhh47DUHS!!!,
And just how are they gonna PROVE that these kids haven’t left the country in those years??? Shut the BS!!! you’re drooling it!!

Why on earth should these illegal aliens jump to the front of the line of the people going through the LEGAL process of becoming a citizen?
They want to be a citizen then they need to go to the back of the line and do it the LEGAL way.

I do not care how long they have been here illegally, fact is we have laws and they need to be enforced. Fact is they should all be deported. The laws are there for a reason and if we do not start enforcing them our infrastructure will drown.

Crying racism are crying we need to save the worlds impoverished will not change a thing. Fact is we can not save the worlds impoverished unless we fix ourselves and probably not even then.
The worlds impoverished can only be saved by improving their own locations. There is no other way, they simply breed to fast. The legal immigrants we take in even combined with the illegal aliens is but a drop in an overflowing bucket. We will never get ahead and we will all drown trying.
Then who will save us?

Robin, Delores pointed out two of the far left heros, ole eddie is just following the recommendation of yet a third hero to progressives Saul Alinsky. He’s parrotting some nonsense he heard from keith or rachel or ed on msnbc.

eddie47d: you need to read the bill yourself then

Mike; I agree with some of what you are saying but then you get into the doom and gloom scenarios. What does productive,willing to work,willing to educate themselves,willing to serve this country have to do with all this welfare talk? If these young adults have the ambition and are willing to step up to the plate then they should be welcomed.

Vigilante: Oh so cleaver in twisting your opinion. It is a dollar and cents issue.Many of these children(now young adults)were born here.They only know America and speak English. I would say the majority have not broken any laws and those who have are not eligible for the Dream Act anyway. Even if the immigration issue goes towards expulsion of illegals I’d be willing to say that alot of them (parents) would be willing to leave their high school or adult aged children here in the USA. Immigrants all over the world have done that for centuries. Parents who want a better life for their kids always choose the kids over themselves. If these young adults want to serve in the armed forces then even better.We need a few good men and women in the military especially those with spunk and ambition.

Not really alot of gloom and doom Eddie just some related facts. Notice I did say this kind of thing might be the right Idea but its being offered at the wrong time?If we were in a financial up turn and had the surplus jobs to offer them once they got out of collage it might make more sence.In other words a work visa with a 5 year option to citizenship might not be bad providing they worked and kept their noses clean. This would be good enough proof for me that they intended to be productive citizens. What we have now is a group of immagrants that are here to game our systems as much as anything else(some but not all I can admit that much)They work for cash and use fake Id’s to draw food stamps and welfare. This puts huge burden on our systems that at this point cant afford it. Mike L.

Good reply Mike

eddie says:

“Vigilante: Oh so cleaver (sic) in twisting your opinion. It is a dollar and cents issue. Many of these children(now young adults)were born here. They only know America and speak English.”

eddie, who thinks he’s oh so clever in twisting the truth. IF THEY WERE BORN HERE THEY ARE U.S. CITIZENS, STUPID! They are not the ones we are talking about.

I would say the majority have not broken any laws…” Another lie. THEY BROKE THE LAW WHEN THEY ILLEGALLY IMMIGRATED TO THIS COUNTRY, STUPID! Is that the new propaganda, that illegal immigration is legal?

Honestly, in my day you couldn’t graduate from elementary school without the ability of abstract thinking, or without knowing that ILLEGAL does not equal LEGAL.

I won’t buy your sick trash mouth anytime soon Vigilante. Until YOU are willing to go after the Corporations who hired these “illegals” then get off of the immigrants back. Stop punishing kids for what our Corporations did to their parents.You know…those noble and honorable chicken farmers, ranches and orchards.

eddduuuhhh!
you just stepped in your honorable and hardworking chicken farmers!!!

flash, please make that popping sound!

There’s that word again – “evil”. It conjures up images of Obama and Soros with sneering grins, wringing their hands at another plan to “get” the American people. Get real! Another clairvoyant who absolutely KNOWS the truth. Where did you get your ideas from about transparency? I’m sure they came from people like Glenn Beck and Rushtojudgment Limbauch. Let’s face it, NOBODY knows ANYTHING, and nobody has all the answers like so many people here think they do. It’s all just a big mess and has to be dealt with one thing at a time like anything else.

10 times? I think you need to look again Scott and quit repeating something you heard. Embellishing data leaves to wrong conclusion and bad ideas.

Well, didn’t Obama just announce pay freezes for govt. workers for 2 years? Of course, their union isn’t happy; however, I did hear some interviewees saying they have no problem with paying their fair share. You are right about the defense budget. It’s totally ridiculous. Instead of hiring contractors to do a lot of things, they need to let the soldiers go back to taking over those jobs like cooking and cleaning up the mess hall. That’s just one area. I’m sure the waste in defense spending is immense. And before somebody jumps on me, I am not advocating cutting anything for servicemen.

yea, Karolyn, as I understand it, an “interest” of Chaney’s has stared providing prepared food.

An Army runs on it’s belly ~ and I wouldn’t want anything he cooked!

I was a solider once and I figured it up, I was being paid 18 cents per hour. I pulled KP duty, ~ I cooked, I scrubbed huge pots and pans, I worked on trucks , tanks, bulldozers, filled sand bags, dug holes in the ground, constructed fue gas bombs, constructed 40 ft machine gun towers, and bunker complexes, pulled guard duty, stocked pantry’s, installed fire support bases, erected antenna’s, installed showers, recovered the lost and stuck in mud, the abandoned, gave blood, spilled blood, filled body bags, changed out engine power packs, change oil and did grease jobs, drove convoy point, drove drag and “procured” from the Navy and Air Force every chance I got.

A military unit was then self contained and everyone was cross-trained and knew what had to be done and what was needed. I don’t know what they have done with my Army today. But I figure they got a small raise since I left, maybe up to .25 cent per hour.

But out-sourcing is bull$hit, the military should take care of it own. It’s not suppose to be fun, but an experience you never want to relive and cause anyone to think long and hard about committing troop without just cause and not about a few people getting wealthy in the process.

The military has been fighting two wars and have been shorthanded. You cannot expect soldiers to dodge bullits all day then come back to camp and do housework.

Bruce – Just like some soldiers are medics and chaplains; some can be cooks and not be in the “field”. I don’t even know if they still do mechanic work.

They have been shorthanded.

Well, if we weren’t fighting other people’s wars, they wouldn’t be shorthanded. But then the Defense budget wouldn’t be so bloated. Come on Bruce, we all know about the waste of money being paid to outside contractors. We also don’t need to have our soldiers stationed all over the world for no reason. All the military in Germany are having a grand old time. And, I know one who served time in Bosnia, a year in Iraq and some time in Afghanistan; but while he was “home” in Germany, he was living a great life. He’s back here now and wants to go back to Germany where the living is better. How’s that for a patriotic American soldier. I’m sure he’s not the only one either.

I remember you telling that story before Karolyn, but really you are only making a point I have made many times here. Also Obama said Afghanistan was the ‘just war’ and he is president now. Maybe the left should find a new president in 2012 if they do not agree with his position.

Karolyn,
If you don’t believe they still do mechanic work, then remind me never to fight in YOUR army!!! you think those hummers and trucks just run forever??? you think those aircraft fly forever??? They all need mechanic work and the assigned troops do it!!!

Karolyn Obama left loopholes in the freeze where people will stil be able to get pay raises. It was just a sham as Obama’s goal is to grow government and its power over the people. He should also of had a hiring freeze at the same time. It makes sense that Army cooks can cook cheaper but for the most part it is two to three times more expensive for government to produce any kind of a product over the private sector. Also I think in the field most food is canned.

Karolyn says, “Well, didn’t Obama just announce pay freezes for govt. workers for 2 years?”

That and many other “hot button” issues have a minor impact on the Federal budget. Obama took a symbolic step, but a true cost-cutter would have been to roll back the high raises the Feds received in the last two years under his stewardship.

Earmarks, foreign aid, government staffs and pay rates have received a lot of comments, but their significance is virtually nil when it come to the high budget deficits and national debt.

They need to start with those things first and then move to others. Earmarks are the worst because it is basically bribery for votes.

Oh, ,I know that. The Defense budget is the biggie that needs to be traimmed. I had heard some economics people talking and saying everything else is chump change other than Defense and Medicare. Even all foreign aid and welfare put together don’t compare in the least.

Yes, Vigilant, not “pay freezes”… “pay cuts” for the government employees. (except for military who need to come home)

Bruce D.
$450 for a hammer. Gee do you think the private sector was trying to screw the government?
News flash – it happens all the time.

Norm, Without even knowing who the company was that charged the government $450.00 for a hammer, I am willing to bet they were unionized.

It is the politicians that allow that kind of stuff to go on. It is their job to oversee that. If you have a hammer and someone says I can give you $25 for that hammer or I can give you $450, which one do you think he will take. Why do you let the government off so easy. They must be held accountable.

Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.

I sincerely believe … that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”

Thomas Jefferson

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country.
John Adams

Norm,
If the government would get rid of the most favored bidder list and go to true bidding the cost would go down over nite. Allow 10% overrides and no more! get a true fine in for fraud on the parts of contractors! A certain electrical parts company who I will not name from the Cleveland area had a contract from the government and went 15 million over bid. The government caught them in fraud and charged them a million dollar fine and no further contracts. well it turned out that they were the only ones that made the said part and the gov. had to come back to them, hat in hand asking them to help out! so in the end, they made 14 million illegally and still have government contracts!!! think that’s the fault of the gov or the contractor??
Remember, the government that is supposed to watch over our dollars faithfully LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!!!!

Bruce D,
actually Japan IS paying for U.S. defense!!

I could not find that information on the INTERNET other than Japan was paying something. Donald Trump on the news said South Korea was not paying but I could not verify either one and I am interested in taking a look at the figures.

Bruce d,
Better yet, look up the list of nations that have paid their bill owed to the US from WW2!!! It’s there if you look! only one so far has done it!!

flushed,
Pure BS!! the libbies voted to spend unfunded and the repubs vetoed it!!

and the alphabets aren’t suitable for anyone over ten!!!

TIME,
If the problem is with Americans, as you stated, what nationality are you?
Delores Smith
Delores109@cox.net

Delores,
Thats is an utterly mindless statment on your part.

If you have a problem with grasping what I posted perhaps a course in Thinking 101 may aid you.

What is being talked about is not a statement suggesting that only Americans are like that. What is being said is that the people of this land need to be more responsible with their money and Government needs to follow suit. Stop being so confrontagious and think about the things people are saying any manybe you will be able to see another persons point of view. That is what debate is about.

TIME: Good choice of words. I agree.

Claire,
I do try to just put down the facts, saddly we have many who are just angry at the world and not focused on the real problems. How sad.

We have a class war thats been going on for years, now its anyone who’s not a Barry Soetoro follower is a bad person, and if you live your life in a way that is positive your hated too. Its all just crazy.

To take a quote from someone who’s a NWO person, “I hunger for some good news, something positive.”

Out of all the garbage, I hear some good news every day. That’s what we need more of – positive thinking – it’s contagious. I truly believe the economy fell apart because the collective consciousness was led into negative thinking. The more people heard bad news, the worse they felt; and it perpetuated negativity. I have always said that people shouldn’t be afraid to spend money if they have it. That’s the way to turn the economy around! Too many people are not spending even though they have it! There really is plenty to go around.

Karolyn, I am sure you are refering to all the Bush bashing and recession fear mongering leading up to the 2008 election, right?

No, I’m referring to the negativity spewed every day. Actually, I’m going back to post 9/11. One year after that my business started to fall apart, as did other similar businesses in my area. (Antiques in east central PA).

Karolyn,
then the upcomming stock crash(6 to 8 months max) will just be from negative comments and not from the devalued and failing dollar???

David,
Increase income and clear up the debt…

Then we would need to become a PRODUCING nation once again that would provide jobs and much needed revenue.

But inorder to do that we would need to revise the TAX Codes and Regulations on businesses and people so that small and large businesses could thrive and/or come back from abroad as well as lift the oil moratorium and get drilling, refining and selling oil & gas, Cut Congressional Spending and gov salaries, teach true American History and Free Enterprise, and eliminate burdomsome 2000 pages laws like nobamacare, crap & tax, dream act, secure the American borders and end our occupation in the wars…

Clear vision to reform and prosper.

David says:
December 3, 2010 at 8:32 am
Mick: Yes, most of the current deficit is due to overspending, much of it on what many of us consider things of little value or on two wars. However, it will be very difficult to reduce the deficit we already have by leaving the current tax structure in place. We need to increase income and cut spending until the deficit is cleared up

************************ It took decades to get to this awful financial mess and the last 22 months have been the worse,it will take many years to fix this and raising taxes on responsible people already crippled by the Washington gang and by the irresponsible citizens will not solve the problem.
Cutting hundreds of useless programs and holding people accountable for their own debts will, holding the reliable tax payers for the foolishness of others will continue to sink the country and will not teach them a thing about controlling their spending just like in Washington.

David you have a great point. However think for a moment when Regan was president. Taxes were cut and jobs were created. More wealth up the that point was made during his years in office. With the taxes being cut and jobs being created more revenue was brought in to the federal budget because more money was being funneled into the taxes stream via more jobs. The other thing that brought more money into the tax stream was higher levels of income which followed suit with higher tax brackets for those who had greater success. Cutting taxes, as what is being argued, creates revenue. The other ignorant thing, in my opinion, is how in the hell does not collecting taxes cost money. You do not have any less money when you do not collect taxes than you do when you do not collect taxes. I know that sounded confusing but not collecting taxes is not collectin taxes. The only way it could cost money to not collect taxes is if you have plans to spend it before you have it. Lastly, if you keep taxes at current levels and cut spending, don’t spend money you do not have, and cut stupid project. You will lower the deficit. Lets see, was it sixty million for a seal dam or something like that; there are many many many many many other project like the one I just stated that can be cut.

Troy…Reaganomics has been shown to be a disaster on so many fronts and the understanding of that evil time is growing clearer as history progresses. You’ve been reading and listening to too many wacko’s out there.

Wake up HFlashman. You talk a lot of nonsense. Ronald Reagan is one of the greatest Americans of all time. If you do not recognize that it reflects badly only on you, not on him.

Here is a really interesting article about Reagan. I was especially surprised about the fact that he expanded the government!
http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory12.html

Kartholyn you leave the site of some left wing ideologue with absolutely no credibility. HFlashman might just as well have written that article with amount of spin it. Reagan ended the cold war and lowered taxes. He took over from Carter who brought the United States to the brink of financial disaster and the worst recession since the Great Depression. His deficit was less in eight years than Obama’s was in two years. Reagan not only had to go up against the leftest in the democratic party he had to also go up against those leaning left in his own party. Basically he had to change the thinking of both parties to get anything done at all. He ended up with a landslide victory in his second term. I believe he lost only one state. Only socialist ideologues do not recognize his accomplishments.

Well, Bruce, Here’s another one. http://www.alternet.org/news/140438/was_ronald_reagan_an_even_worse_president_than_george_w._bush/

Can you refute any of the info in these articles? I would doubt it. I haven’t found one yet, but I’m sure you can, knowing the conservative sites. I’m just surfing. I googled “Was Reagan a good President?, and other than things on answer sites, these are the top articles. I’ll keep looking, though.

OK, Bruce, Here’s a pro-Reagan article, but it really doesn’t say that much. Just what a great guy he was and that he ended the cold war. (Which is really still going on.)
http://biggovernment.com/bfolsom/2010/02/06/why-was-ronald-reagan-the-greatest-president-of-the-20th-century/

Reagan’s accomplishments are well known and well documented. If you are trying to find them on leftest sites you will not find them. I was surprised when Shawn Hannity wrote his new book, shortly after that all these sites began to spring up on the INTERNET saying he was cheating the solders out of concert money that would have gone to benefit them. Shaw Hannity is like the Ron Howard of Happy Days. He is not going to cheat anyone out of anything and has done more to benefit the solders than most. Liberals will stoop to any level to discredit.

Bruce D,
I agree, we need a brand new Reagan right now and an army of Joseph McCarthey’s to push the progressive liberal socialist back into the closet from whence they came.

P.S. Ron Howard is a Hollywood liberal and not a good analogy.

Michael J. I do not remember the name of Ron Howard’s character on Happy Days. I was not talking about Ron Howard real life. He was ju

Bruce D,
Richie Cunningham

The wealthy will receive their continued tax breaks…up to $250,001. Then every dollar after that level is hit for 4% more…at the same rate it was during the Boom Years of the Clinton Era (another Democrat thank you very much:).

flash, you are blind in one eye and CHOOSE to see only what you want to. We will receive no help from you to get us out this mess that is a given, one can tell just from your blame game you spew on this site.

Norm,

You and Karolyn need to take a quick course in first grade mathematics. When K says, “It’s a shame all Republicans can do is block legislation,” she and obviously are unaware that the Dems. have the majorities in both the House and Senate. You want to blame anyone, blame the (Heaven forbid!) Democrats.

Another ludicrous assertion: “Everyone needs to work together, and the rich need to suck it up and do their part.” This is the “do as I say, not as I do” ploy that would be laughable if the left didn’t really believe it. Here we have two years of a government fully in the hands of the Dems, who have not only disregarded the common sense of the Repubs, but have frozen them out of negotiations at every turn, and ended up passing legislation that the MAJORITY of Americans do not want. Suddenly, we all need to work together? It was tried, and was not successful.

We had an election on November 2nd, but you wouldn’t know it when you hear the left continue to bitch and bray about things. I guess you guys were in Timbuktu when the electoirate sent a clear messsage to lefties like yourselves.

Vig – From where I stand it sounds like conservatives are doing all the bitching and braying, and Republicans sure look like the “party of no” to me.

K, couldn’t expect anything else from such “independent” thinkers like yourself and ole Normy,

Karolyn, kindly amend that to “HELL NO!”

Gridlock, if it means stopping the socialists dead in their tracks, is infinitely preferable to the continued slow death of Capitalism under this regime.

karolyn,
If either you or Normy make a fast stop with the other behind….Oh the humanity!!!!

The minority Republicans were able to stall the government, not because they are independent thinkers, but because they are in lock step like good Nazi storm troopers.
By using the ridiculous filibuster threat they made a minority look like a majority. That BS works both ways.

Norm,
Conservatives are trying to prevent the Jan.1st train wreck which Obama seems to be oblivious too, or is anticipating with great joy.

I have been so far unsuccessful at forming a coherent contraction of the words Obama and oblivious, but that’s my intention here.

The people that caused this, were known to be involved in this and known to have been clear tax evaders have been appointed to offices by your hero Oblamo. Oblamo is a Wall-street puppet.

The GOP, in this case, want to continue the the tax breaks so our businesses can have some cash to create jobs. Jobs that your hero Oblamo has failed to create.
If that equates to holding the country hostage then I am all for it.

Norm, Artical 1 Section 7 U.S. Constitution, CRA, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Mark to Market. These are the primary causes of the melt down, so I guess you are correct the ones who caused the melt down are still holding up the recovery!!

Bruce D. says:
December 3, 2010 at 8:37 am
Obama has ran up deficits in the trillions of dollars in a very short time with no end in sight. Raising taxes on the rich will get 7 billion over the next ten years. You should stop lusting after others peoples money and demand fiscal responsibility from government.

*********************************
Again Bruce,,,,You’re right on…..People should try to succeed before drooling over other people possessions……..

It’s $700 billion! Pretty close to a trillion!

Hello Karolyn, hope you are well….I think the point he was trying to make here is “of other peoples money”….that is Obamas way of thinking…easier to throw around everyone else’s money but when it comes to government accountability and budgeting there is none. This political game must stop. No more democrat or republican it must be WE THE PEOPLE before it become a communist nation and yes Karoly that is the direction we are headed.

“It’s $700 billion! Pretty close to a trillion!”

That’s right, and it’s money that won’t be stolen from the taxpayers to fund unsuccessful efforts of the government to bankrupt us. It’s money that will keep small businesses afloat, that will create jobs and get this country on the way to economic health. It’s money, NOT taken from the entrepreneurs, that will create an atmosphere of confidence, perhaps the MOST important thing in whipping this tragedy the Dems. are forcing us to experience.

Yar $700 billion is a lot of money over a ten year period but not when you compare it to 1.4 trillion dollar deficits a year. Obama deficits were projected to be at twenty trillion in the next ten years.

According to the logic that we need the 700 billion dollars to help with the deficit, we should clearly let all the tax cuts expire! If 700 billion will help how much more would 3.3 Trillion help! If the first is true the second must be also!

I like that point Ted. Good logic!

Bruce….2009 was the Bush budget deficits. Now….if you were facing a crashing economy….flirting with another Depression…what would you do? I shudder to thik of how deep and long that Depression would have been ….frippin’ yahoo no-nothing backseat economist is your tag Sparky …

and yet you follow a man who bows to others, will not stand up for his own country, turns to the UN against his own states, and has put our nation in more debt than any other president alive. you point is?

Teresa
give him hell girl,liberals only have one thing in their pea brain whats mine is mine and whats your is mine so bow at feet of the great king obama the chosen one and be healed of all you own

Flush and his ilk have a very selective memory. It was FDR’s and the Federal Reserve’s intervention that both lengthened and deepened the Depression. History is indeed the most “inconvenient truth” to the left.

“frippin’ yahoo no-nothing (sic) backseat economist is your tag,” Flush. Ever taken a course in Macro- or Micro-Economics? I didn’t think so.

He followed protocol in the greeting to the Suadi’s if that’s what you mean. Much better than kissing and holding hands like Bush II adhered to don’t you think? Sort of put the Suadi in his place if you have any intelligence about it. Debt…hmmmm…2009 budget was not his, and he saved us from a Depression. you’d rather the alternative? Have no idea about what you mean by the Un thing….paranoia and FOX News is my guess as to where that’s coming from.

And BTW…as a % of Debt increase? Doesn’t even come close to Bush II or Reagan…

Enjoy the benefits to come as the economic recovery continues to grow and we come out of the worst economic disaster in the past 80+ years.

Wow Teresa you really hit three sore spots with me. With the bowing Obama embarasses mostly himself. Bad mouthing America he is trying to embarrass us. Turning on the state of AZ like that with the UN I though was an out right act of treason. He should be impeached for that in my opinion. There are a lot of other things you could have mentioned also like bribery to pass healthcare and class warefare to name a few.

flushedman,
“Enjoy the benefits as the economic recovery continues to grow” YEAH RIGHT!! That’s why over 430,000 people filed NEW unemployment claims in November, cause it’s growing so fast!!!!

Teresa, he migth of bowed out respect. But you can’t compare to what Bush did to King, of Saudi arabia. Bush, kissed, and held his hand. for smart you people clame to be, Your NOT.

Regarding foreign leaders and visiting their country– It is a fine line, but to me, the bowing and kissing of hands are a sign of submission and weakness. (Let them bow TO ME and KISS MY HAND). With foreign leaders, respect for one another should be a handshake, nothing more. The kissy face and huggy bear stuff does not always work and if I were a leader and had a falling-out with the leader that I bowed and scraped to I would feel like I was groveling.
With the economic mess America is in, perhaps Obama feels like he should not piss them off. Diplomacy can be difficult. It would be for me. Maybe I am too arrogant.

Bush’s deficit of I think 3 to 4 trillion was carried out over 8 years. Your master in chief has accomplished a larger deficit in just 2 years. Wow. Get that. I do not understand how anyone can stand and defend any politician but a small few that has served our nation sinse Regan. They all have served for their own interests and what their buddies of special interests can kick back to them with the sweet deals they write legislation for. There are so many people here who are so caught up on party that they are willing to fight for a politician who would sell out the freedoms for power. Zombies.

Troy
if bush had a surplus when he took office and he blew 3 or 4 trillion or even 5 to 6 trillion and the dept is 13 trillion now give or take a trillion and obama blew 3 trillion in 2 years less see 4+3 is 7, 13 – 7 is 8 trillion number don,t lie but people make numbers tell lies,ether clinton did not leave a surplus or bush and obama need go to jail

Obama has blown more money over the last two years than any other president in history. Bush blew a few trillion in his two terms as well. The point is that Obama threw away more money in two years than Bush did in eight years. Neither president needs accommodation for their terrible management of money but it is stupid to say that Bush has caused all of this. And ultimately the House and Congress are responsible for the spending in the first place. The president only has a pen where the House and Congress write and pass the bills that create and support the spending. Having said that, who controled both houses over the last 6 years? Actually 6 for the house who has constitutional power of the money and 4 years of the Senate. The answer to that is the Dems. So, what does that leave us. That leaves us with the Dems being in charge of the money for the last 6 of 10 years and we have 14 trillion dollars in debt. So, who is really responsible for what has happened. Who controled the Fed, Fannie mae, Freddy Mac, and all the oversite organzations for the financial structure that has just collapsed? The Dems. Now, enough about who is responsible. who is going to take the reins and get things back together. Let me guess, you are going to say the same system that got us here in the first place, the Government. Why not we the people. Why not we the people put partisanship to the side, as we espouse to our elected officials, and make things happen. In fact we are and that is what the Tea Parties are all about. Oh ya, thats right, the right wingers. We cannot stand back and look at what is really being suggested by the Tea Parties because the puppet masters of Government parties will get us side tracked into the partisan speak they vomit. Stand back and ask yourself what you can do to make a difference. You can be a part of the solution and help to rein back Government and stop the cycle that has been going on for decades, or you can sit back and listen to the puppet masters of the media and political elite (most politicians). If you choose the latter I would rather you sit your pothetic ass down and shut up.

By the way Marvin, the last statement of pothetic ass was not directed to you necessarily. It was directed to those who would choose to take the stand it spoke against.

Troy…your math is as bad as your comperehension. 2009 was Bush budget. Obama has only 2010 as his budget offering…

marvin’s sense of precision needs a little fine tuning. Re:

“if bush had a surplus when he took office and he blew 3 or 4 trillion or even 5 to 6 trillion…”

It’s either 3, or it’s 4, or it’s 5, or it’s 6. Yeah, what’s a trillion here, a trillion there, huh? Your argument completely fails, and is a waste of our time. Go back to school.

HFlashman – “Bruce….2009 was the Bush budget deficits.”
2009 was the Democrat led 2006 onward Budget deficits.

Appearently progressives don’t bother to read the Constitution! Presidents do not make the budget, they either pass or veto it. The budget originates in the House! ART.1 SEC.7

Bruce D.
Obama deficits are courtesy of GW Bush.
Tax cuts, unnecessary wars, an unpaid Medicare drug fiasco are not freebees.
Couple this with an unprecedented economic meltdown and you get what have.
The GOP have some power (not all by any means) and we shall see what happens.
My prediction: Nothing but more Red Ink.

Tell me the Democrat led Congress 2006 onward had nothing to do with it please. Cite your proof.

Sorry Norm, no one is buying that anymore.

I reread your article Norm and I do think you are right about one unnecessary war and the Medicare drug fiasco. What I think you are not right about is Obama’s handling of the deficit and the economy. He has made it worst and not better and Obama is in way over his head. He really isn’t qualified to handle the problems we have today.

Scott – How can you make such a ridiculous remark?

Karolyn
and the truth will set you free, liberals are like bugs they hide under rocks

I ain’t hiding! What are you talking about. Just senseless words to bash the other side.

Karolyn, you are always carping about posters not backing up their contentions with facts and figures. While I doubt the claim as well, how about countering with something other than an “I think” position?

I can’t find anything in the thread that refers to what you’re talking about.

Karolyn, only 20% of Americans are liberals, however the majoriety aren’t republicans they are independants

Karolyn most on the right look on the left as a foreign virus. There is no place for us in the democrat party. Most country people left the democrat party as we feel democrats do not represent American values. If the republican party was only about rich people they would never have the votes to get elected. Democrats look to the cities for their support where many are dependent on government in one way or another. With dependency comes loss of sovereignly as government rules and regulations begin to define the way in which you live life.

Scott, I,m glad, Happy you’r in their side!!! They maybe more peole that vote republican, and they maybe more of you. flipped side your side has more truly misinformed wing nuts. I bet you all believed in the tooth fairy (that would be Bush your father figure)

who cares,
such imagination! I mean that must have taken all of what? 3 seconds to come up with? Oh, that’s right, this is you were talkin about so what? 24 hrs???

Karolyn,

Are YOU serious?
Thanks to the FED, G. Soros, IRS tax codes, (Unions, Lobbists,) and out-of-control Congressional spending (of our TAX dolars) we are already living in a cold day in hell with a inflated devalued dollar and bankrupt America …soon to go the way of Greece (all by design, of course)!

It was the REPUBLICANS in Congress (though I hate the demo-Repub verbal wars) who just put forth a BILL to STOP attaching Ear Marks ..aka Pork Spending… on Bills, but the Lame Duck Democrats voted it DOWN!

Why Congressmen/women who lost their seat in the 2010 election are allowed to stay in office until the end of the year is beyond me.

It appears it will be a cold day in hell when we get rid of earmarks in DC.

It’s called a transition period for those coming in and those going out. Some votes aren’t calculated for weeks after the election so this inbetween period is needed for many reasons. Your one sided attack does show where you stand but you kind of left out the supporters of the Republican Party and how they influence elections and earmarks.

…another case of pot and kettle…

eddie47d,
I am not attacking. I am not for Dems or Reps… just for the Constitutional Conservative.

I understand about the “transition period.” Maybe they should not conviene at all until Jan 2011 for those who have been voted for to take up the peoples’ business.

Karolyn is off by saying ear marks will be gone (so far). The Dems voted it down in the lame duck session.

But legislation was put forth during this lame duck session by Reps to STOP earmarks attached to bills in congress… give credit where credit is due.

eddie47d,
Transition period? Maybe under normal circumstances “transition period” is adequate terminology for the time between the election and the commencement of the next congress. But this time around more resembles a bad remake of “Dead Man Walking” with the largest loss of elected officials in 50 years for the Democrat party. This time would be better spent burying their dearly departed than voting. As a matter of fact, the only people that think that dead people are responsible voters is Acorn.

But then again why even bother, what we are seeing now is just political showmanship in which the Democrat hoopmasters are keeping Republicans jumping through said hoops in an effort to run out the clock and then blame the GOP’ers for the inaction. Boehner should signal time-out and form a huddle to stop the clock. then after the huddle and the quick snap, go long with a Hail-Mary and win one for the Gipper.

Speaking of “The Gipper”, something that seems to be missing from the minds and mouths of the newly elected conservatives is the “Line Item Veto”. Reagan never missed an opportunity to secure for the office of the presidency a line item veto. Even when ordering breakfast he might say, “I’ll have two eggs over easy, wheat toast, coffee and a LINE ITEM VETO.

The Line Item Veto, which in itself would allow the for slashing of wasteful pork spending, would also allow for the weeding out of sleeper earmarks and down right unsupported legislation. Like when amnesty legislation is attached to bills intended support the troops. These two subjects are completely unrelated and should never be included in the same bill.

Earmarks is money your state use to fix road, bridge’s, park, trade school’s very much like the money Sara Pilin, received for the bridge to no where. All of you are to Fu#6K$n dumb to vote any but republican. dumb asses

You should not be calling people names that could be used right back at you. Sarah Palin turned down the money for the Bridge to Nowhere as Governor of Alaska. If there are earmarks the money should be divided equally between the states according to their population. Earmarks in itself are a form of bribery. The gasoline tax is suppose to be paying for the roads. Three years back there was talk about cutting the gasoline tax as there was a surplus of money for roads. I am sure that ended up being used foolishly by one party or the other.

Bruce D.
Give up on the Palin story . She accepted the money, used the “bridge to nowhere” when she saw it was good for her image, then kept the money, paved the road leading to the bridge and never built the bridge. As far as I’m concerned, what she did was worse than if she just stood up to criticism, built the bridge and defended the need. Remember, Alaska consistently falls into the top 5 recipients of Fed dollars. In 2005, Alaska was #3, receiving $1.84 for every dollar they paid the fed in taxes.

Kinetic1 it is no secret the left feel threatened by strong conservative woman. Get over it. If the Fed would allow the State of Alaska to start using some of their natural resources they would not be so dependant on government. It is the same same story over and over again from the left. Discourage business and encourage dependency.

I’m not to sure about that Bruce. Alaska get’s all that money back from the Federal Government and then pays out hefty tax returns to it’s State’s citizens. Are they using the Nations(ours) money to do that?

As I understand it, taxes from the oil companies are paid out to the citizens as a reimbursement for the use of the state’s “natural resources.”

As for “Strong Republican Women”, there have been many, but I wouldn’t count Palin among them. Granted, she is a brilliant populist and knows how to use her phony “folksy, down to earth” act, but she has proved to be very weak when it comes right down to it (as in her recent foreign policy gaffs.) What we don’t like about Palin is that she has al of you fooled. Here is a women who preaches about small government, but she needlessly increased the size of both governments she oversaw. She tell us about the need to reign in spending, but she entered Wasilla with a surplus and left them with a deficit.

Maybe you want to throw out some others. How about Michele Bachman, Sharon Angle or Christine O’Donnell. You know, Bachman, who blamed Swine Flu on President Jimmy Carter, Angle who complains that reporters don’t “promote” her or tell the public just what she wants them to hear, and O’Donnell who … oh, where do you start with this “strong Republican”? Face it, all these women have been around for years, but it wasn’t until a group on the right went bat carp crazy that women (and men) as out there as O’Donnell were considered viable candidates.

Like I said Kinetic1 you need to get over your phobia of strong Conservative woman.

And you, Bruce need to learn what a strong women really looks like. Here’s a hint … aint a one in this bunch.

Bruce
and it sure isn’t boundup1 or P-lousy either!! (hint: We’ll have to pass the bill to see what’s in it!!!)

Joe H.
When Pelosi speakes of passing a bill, what she actually means is that she accidentally swallowed her last months plastic surgeon’s statement.

MichaelJ.
Most excellent!!!!! LOL!

I am tired of people talking about the Clinton years and the surplus we had. If that is the case how the heck coould the national debt have gone up?????????????? Lairs figure, firgures don’t lie.

Good one Stu; Liars figure & figures don’t lie. Love it!

stu
i have been saying the same thing,if and i said if [BIG WORD] clinton left a surplus then did bush spend 10 trillion dollars in 5 years the liberals took over congress in 06 the white house in 08 we went from a supposed surplus as far as the eye could see[a liberal reps word not mine]so now at 13 or 14 trillion dollars, don,t know bout liars and numbers but i know bout liberals making numbers lie,must be the new math two +two =3 or mabe two sets of differant object is two,that make my head hurt to just think about it,like one time i told a guy that he was charging 20% inst, he said no just 10% i wrote it down and showed him and he said but that is simple inst, bottom line i am a simple man but not simple minded

I’ve said this time and again: THERE WAS NO SURPLUS. The ‘surplus’ everyone wants to brag about just never was. The budget was never balanced during Bubba’s reign. The money that is so commonly referred to as ‘surplus’ was money that was in the budget but was never spent. Then the pols started crowing about a ‘surplus’. The ‘surplus’ and ‘balanced budget’ during the Clinton years is nothing but a myth and more political grandstanding. Go and research it yourselves.

( SURPLUS ) IF I HAVE $20,000 IN THE BANK BUT I OWE $100,000 DOES THAT MEAN THAT I HAVE A SURPLUS BECAUSE I HAVE $20,000 IN THE BANK ???? PLEASE EXPLAIN THE SURPLUS !!!!

ValDM,
Actually it was like this. If all I have is one dollar, how do I pay a dollar here and a dollar there?? the surplus was money earmarked for payout to social security and just not yet paid!! He couldn’t spend it two places at once so it “APPEARED” to be a surplus when actually there was a slight deficit!!

It’s not lower taxes that result in higher deficits. It’s the profligate spending!! It’s been shown time and time again that lower tax rates result in increased revenue to the Treasury, but what good does it do? Every time we get increased revenue, the pols just increase spending way over and above the added revenue. I’m not sure what the solution is, but giving more money to the gov’t certainly isn’t the answere. As someone said recently…”More is never enough for these clowns!”. We’ve somehow got to restrict these spendthrift tendencies.They’ve gotten our national debt to what I think are un-sustainable levels, and I really fear for our future.

Bush spent, give away the money Clinton had left. let’s not forget two wars Bush started. There’s where the money went. Democrats never had control over anything. Your side would not let any demorats Bill’s to proceed. Obstructionist (Children)are at it again stoping the Government from proceeding if don’t have it their way. your side is the problem Not the Democrats

You are confused. Bush hated to Veto anything that Congress put forth. And yes from 2006 on it was Democrat controlled.
Once again Clinton did not have a surplus.

All information the following website uses to prove it can be verified via the US treasury website:
http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

Enough about the Mythical Surplus.

Stu, there was never a surplus! The phantom surplus was created with “creative accounting”, chief amongst that was the claiming of Social Security Taxes payed in, while ignoring the benifits payed out. With that type of accounting every President, with the notable exception of the current one, could have claimed a surplus!

Clinton took money from Social Security to help balance the budget. He was also ineffective in the war on terror which lead to 9/11 and a war with Afganistan. He also left Bush with a huge downturn in the economy which the tax cuts helped alleviate by stimulating business.

Bruce D
Every president since Johnson has stolen social security money. That includes Nixon, Ford, Reagan and and the Bushes. The Reagan and Bush tax cuts and huge military spending created jobs but caused huge deficits.

Norm
you said all presidents wrote iou to ss and tax cut from reagan help make the deficit,now help me here if that is so how did clinton who was president after reagan,leave a surplus as far as the eye could see for bush,did his 8 years as president some how heal the deficit,or is this just another smoke and mirrors from the liberals

narvin
Not only was the entire national deficit eliminated after RAISING TAXES on the wealthy in 1993, but the economy grew so fast for the remainder of the decade that many conservative economists thought that the Fed should raise the prime interest rate in order to slow it down.

This is another of conservatives’ hidden agendas: they keep promising workers that if we cut taxes on the wealthy and the economy grows, their wages will go up. But when wages even start to go up—for whatever reason—conservatives do everything they can to slow down the economy. They never openly tell the public about the second part of their strategy when they discuss taxes, economic growth and wages.

Norm,
Clinton got a free ride on Reagan’s coat tails. By the time Clinton was inaugurated, Reagan’s trickle-down economics were in full swing. Nothing left for slick willie to do but kick back, put his feet up, order pizza, cigars and soil Monica’s dress.

There was no surplus Norm, nice try though. When you borrow you must pay it back. At no point did the national debt decrease. The only way to claim a real surplus is to decrease the national debt.

Every year of Clinton’s administration the national debt increased.

Using slight of hand to make the claim of surplus is something only a sheeple would buy into. We can clearly see through this illusion by simply watching the national debt go up…

AB norm,
Yes all the presidents have stolen from it but Klintoon not only stole from it, he put money already earmarked for payouts to balance his budget and by the time it went through GAO it was paid out to social security and could not be used to balance the budget, therefore NO BALANCED BUDGET!!! Wake the hell up azzhole!!

Bruce D., the facts are that Clinton never balanced any budget…he got close, but he never had any surplus.

JeffH
At least he plugged the bleeding artery left by Reagan.
If you count the raid on SS he actually did balance the budget.
Of all my 40+ working years, the Clinton years were the best from my perspective.
The economy was healthy and for an Engineer jobs and wages were tops.

Normy, you’re just weak!

Jeff, according to Artical 1, Section 7 of the Constitution NO President can balance the budget, whatever the economy is doing, good or bad, it is primarly the Speaker of the House that should recieve any credit or condemnation.

Ted, that’s wonderfull to know but it doesn’t really change the perception of the media, the public or those in DC…the POTUS will always be the one judged by everyone regarding the budget.

Norm… If they can slow down or stop the lunacy spending and at least make the attempt to get things on a track that would prevent the United States from imploding, I think they are making progress. The spending has been going on for years and years, and from what I can see, you really can’t point fingers at either party, except for the one who is in office now, because they are the ones who can make it better or worse…

When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.
Napoleon Bonaparte

Check this out. The biggest and most overlooked fact about the Clinton years is who controled the money and drafted the policies that balanced the budget. Who controls the money? The Republican controled house. Who controled policy? The Republican controled Senate. Why were they able to accomplish what Clinton get so much credit for, while fighting them the through the whole process. Because they forced him to. The only thing that Clinton did, besides Monica, was sign the document. He drafted nothing that made a difference. If you think that is not true then look at what has happened over the last couple of years with those in the majority moving things forward without the approval of those they govern. It only takes a blind person who will stand behind there party no matter what to not see the truth. Go Dem, Go Repub. I say forget them both and go with whoever is going to listen to the will of they majority of the people, whithin the laws of the constitution, and lets take power back from the Government. Smaller Federal Government and State Soverenty.

Norm,
Then start walkin!!!!!!!

Clinton had a false economy with the dot com businesses which were not producing products. They crashed and it created a huge recession a few short months after Bush took office. I find it very odd for you to claim that democrats lower taxes. You may be the only one in America who believes that.

I know…and all the money you made during the .com bubble was flase as well. Jeesh…and the economy when Bush II was not diving when elected. Every economist was saying we would flat line for a few years and worst case scenario was a mild recession…until December when the then Pres. Elect Mr. Idiot/druggie/alky/AWOL stated quite clearly I’ve seen inside numbers and it’s worse than you think”….right before XMas … and you could watch minute by minute as Consumer Confidence dive like a rock and retail XMas sales immediately fell hard. It was amazing to see those numbers…Confidence and sale good…Bush II said his statement…it was like a cliff after that. He drove us into his first recession. You should ask yourself..why? Who made money by killing the economy back then?

“Who made money by killing the economy back then?”

“Killing the economy?” Much to your chagrin, I hate to report to you that the economy did not die, and Capitalism is still alive. It’s Obama & Co. who are really killing the economy, and who won’t be happy until they can beat a dead horse. 9.8% UNEMPLOYMENT. GET IT?

Flash Here’s a flash Bush has not been in control for 4 yrs now the dems took over in 06. If there were any intelligence since 06 it would have improved by now!

flushedman,
and nobummer took coke as a kid. rumor even has it he dealt it!
BTW, Back up your claim that Bush went AWOL with some FACT!!! Bet you WON’T cause you CAN’T!!!

Sorry HFlashman, the Dumbocrats have NEVER voted to lower taxes. Most have become rich in their “public service”, like the HillBilly Clintons!

If you don’t like the Clintons or Obama’s or even the Bush’s being rich then go after the book publishers. They are are the ones paying out the royalties and making them rich, or just don’t buy the books. Palin is also making a sweet bundle on her books. That’s capitalism at it’s best or it’s worst. So what’s your point?

eddduuuhhh47DUHS!!!
yeah right Gore made over 300 million the first three years out of office from a book deal!! Have you had that little pea brain out playin with it again??? Somebody close the gate and put an armed guard on it!!!

Nobody makes 300 million on any book deal Joe Hemroid , so stop smoking whatever comes out of your rear! I hope you let it dry out first. Either way it has affected that noggin of yours.

where have you been for the last 50 years. certainly not here

HFlashman
you really do need help you have been breating that assgas from having your head up your as- or some other liberals wake up you lost and betting on the replay won,t change the score obama is the most unamerican president we have ever had but hell you and obama are citizens of the world,you remind me when james cagney said look ma i,m on top of the world at the end of the movie just be for he was put down

We are all citizens of the world; and Americans are no bette than anyone else.

Whew, last I looked my citizenship said UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

Screw that world crap, that’s what has us in this mess to begin with.

Karolyn,
Reading up on Karl Marx today are we? Don’t know about you, but I’m a citizen of The United States, not the world. That’s OK, I’m sure a Freudian Slip looks quite becoming on you.

That’s the problem with so many today. It’s an “us against them” mentality when in reality we are all children of God; and as such, all equal. We are all really brothers and sisters. This has nothing to do with Marx. This is my belief.

If we are all equal why is the left always trying to figure out how to scam money out of people. Sense we are all equal shouldn’t we all pay the same amount of taxes. If every nation was equal we would not have to support them. There is equal opportunity but many do not take advantage of it in Ameica. It takes an education and hard work to achieve success. Many do not want to put forth that effort. If your son got an A college would you want him to share that grade with someone who got an F so that they both would end up with a C. Americans have great minds for inventions and statistics show they are the most productive in the world. Many people sit around waiting for something to happen. Others make things happen and that sets them apart and it sets America apart from many other nations.

This may be a small point but do you know how hard it is to get an egg over lightly for breakfast in some developing countries. They are just not going to do it or even try to comprehend how to do it. People can not even cook eggs equally or put forth the effort to do it.

BruceD,
It’s not as tough as you think to order breakfast in foreign countries. In Mexico for example, if you would like one egg just say “Yoko Ono por favor”.

Michael J I was not specifically talking about Mexico and it is not the language barrier. I was in Ensenada thirty years ago and barely remember the egg breakfast I had there but enough to know I though it exceptionally good. Eggs have to be cooked on the right heat for the right amount of time to be good. Mostly I am talking about the lack of desire to do what is necessary to keep your customer coming back. Those who understand have sucessful businesses and those who don’t fail. Employees who make the extra effort to make things go right advance. Those who don’t wonder why they don’t go anywhere.

Jeff; If you are so proud of being a citizen of the USA then why do you allow our country to have troops in 215 countries. Now that could be the problem. We all love America although some of us don’t believe in imperialism or poking our nose in so many countries business.

You guys just don’t get it and probably never will, because you don’t want to.

eddie47d – “If you are so proud of being a citizen of the USA then why do you allow our country to have troops in 215 countries. Now that could be the problem. We all love America although some of us don’t believe in imperialism or poking our nose in so many countries business.”

It is quite clear that we need to bring the troops home. We do not need to be poking our nose where it does not belong and we certainly can no longer afford to.

eddie47d again says nothing at all except a rousing commie Baaaa, baaaa, baaaa!
Had I known that you had authorized me to make that decision to bring our troops home I’d have given it some thought…but seeing as how I’m not authorized and can only voice my opinion and vote, I guess I’ll need some more help…are you really that stupid? YES YOU ARE!

Karolyn says “This has nothing to do with Marx. This is my belief.”
Then you must think like Marx!

As for not getting it….yes we do get it and we refuse to give in to the Marxist/socialis/communists!

Well HFlashman you obviously have half a brain or is that going to far. How do you come up with giving everyone the same tax incentive, no tax increase, giving special treatment to the rich. Hum, let me see. If no one gets a tax increase then everyone gets to enjoy not paying any more taxes then they currently do. Hum, let me see also. According to HFlashman, if the rich only have to pay 3% to 4% more one the dollor of income over $250,000 then everyone has been taxed equally. If I pay a higher tax on money about $250,000 then I am paying more in taxes just because I make more than someone else. Find the genious because I cannot figure this one out. It is not the taxes that make benefits for the rich it is the corrupt cronnies in office that do that. Insider trading, bailouts to the banks. If a bank is broke then why when they get the bailout do they gobble up, through buying, the other banks that have failed. All with the bailout money of coarse. Oh so many deceived zombies in this country. Wake up. It is not about party. It is about the country and our freedoms stupid.

HFlashman
if the poor had any money what would they do with it creat jobs hire worker,reguardless of what you think the people with money do all the hireing and make jobs,but liberals like you want to make the evil rich pay,unempolyment went up from 9.6 to 9.8 in november,but you liberals say we are putting people to work,are you sure you are an american citizen or here illegally

“So as you gripe, moan, snivel and are outraged about the wealthy having to pay their fair share …. even though they enjoy the same rates to $250,000 everyone else does … just remmber…the Democrats vote to LOWER your taxes…the GOP voted to RAISE your taxes.

“Ya’ proud?”

Yes, I am! Even the lame ducks got the message sent on Nov. 2. There may be hope for this country yet! And you get no traction with the leftist propaganda.

Flush, you’re a little too gleeful about knocking the Repubs., when they still don’t have a majority in the Senate, and won’t have one in the House until January. It’s the MAJORITY Dems who can’t get their act together, a minor point that seems to escape the superficial “thinkers” like yourself on the left.

You’re also a bit premature in your screed. The compromise will be reached, and the existing rates will be maintained for all taxpayers for a couple of years at least. I guess it’s easier for you to take advantage of outdated material than to keep up with current events.

Another piece of current events you probably are not aware of: the November jobs figures just released shows that unemployment has RISEN to 9.8%. Only you and your socialist buddies advocate raising taxes on the the job makers during a time of recession. Sadly, you will NEVER get it.

Vigilant, may I add that unemployment has been at 9.4% or worse for the last 19 months. I’d say those “shovel ready” jobs are paying off.

No, No, No, the reference to shovel ready jobs will come into full swing after the initiation of healthcare deathpanels. We must be careful not to take things out of context.

Michael J,

I’d laugh even louder if there weren’t some truth to what you say. Of course, it wouldn’t look like those pictures of the Jews being shovelled into the pits; it would be more like the euthanasia of “Soylent Green.”

MJ ^ Vigilant, you guys are killin’ me…no pun intended…LOL!

JeffH,
Better them than Nobummer! He means it!!!

JoeH, at least this way I’d die laughing…

Flush,

“…the Democrats vote to LOWER your taxes…the GOP voted to RAISE your taxes.” Not that the statement is true, but since you now seem to be championing lower taxes, have you now become a fiscal conservative, or is it just that you’ll take any side of an issue to diss the Republicans? Make up your mind, son, you’re one confused puppy.

Does this mean he supports the current GOP position on extending the tax cuts or wait, err, I am confused now.

Amen, hold each and everyone of them (dems and repubs) accountable. The wikileaks are showing all of us just exactly how crooked and corrupt they ALL are. Our elected officials have sold us out,all of them, for the last 100 years, and are they held accountable? NO, hell we vote them out and then they go to their hideouts and collect their fat pensions. They have stolen from social security and never paid it back (ALL OF THEM). They love the dissent between parties, that gives them more room and time to take care of their agenda. The should be in jail but again that will never happen

S.C.Murf
I find that not too likely. how much have you seen in the leaks about Nobummer??? What better reason to take over the internet??? State secrets being released!!!

Joe H.
My thoughts exactly, when will Likiweaks release a birth certificate or some college records. I bet the DOJ would get it into gear then pronto.

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No Bob, ZERO + Zero = 0

yea , I remember this one guy, he was so happy he race out and bought a TV from Walmart with 50.00 factory rebate. It was a big screen but it was a larger then he had.

Bob Wire and Karolyn,

Not all Americans are stupid sheeple.

If you didn’t get a rebate, maybe you didn’t put anything in to the system.

We used the Bush tax rebate to pay for a car trip to Florida to visit my parents and brother. I have only seen them three times (and it’d been about 15 years since I saw my brother) since I married 14 1/2 years ago. My two young sons loved spending time with their granparents and it will be a memory they will never forget. My dad is in his 80′s and says they are too old to drive that far and are not willing to fly with the TSA radiation scanners and sexual gropings.

It’s time all Americans got away from unnecessary materialism and back to having more meaningful lives making relationships with people instead of valueing things.

Christin, I was not talking about the rebates. I’m talking about the tax cuts. And, no, I didn’t get a rebate because I was not formally working at the time and didn’t file income tax.

karolyn,
If you had an idea of what you were talking about you would know they came hand in hand!!! the cuts gave all middle income tax payors a rebate. I and my wife got one and bought a new fridge with it!!! A three door kenmore!!!

BRUCE,
I agree with you.
Delores Smith
Delores109@cox.net

Bruce D,
So right!

God only asks for 10%, but the gov’t demands more (35%…depending on your tax bracket). The high taxes and our horrible IRS Tax Codes are out right thievery.
Congress NEEDS to SPEND LESS, then taxes WOULD be less… common sense.

Provide for yourself and your family, help and give to others when you can, and quit living high off the hog… it only leads to… what we have now… live with in your means.

It is what is in your heart that is valued by God, not what is on the outside or what STUFF you have in your posession.

If you are pleasing God it doesn’t matter who you are displeasing, and if you are displeasing God it doesn’t matter who you are pleasing.

Bruce D. says:
December 3, 2010 at 8:21 am
People should not be promoting class warfare and greed. We need to restrict how much money government can spend. The more money they have to spend the more power they have over us. It also gives them the power to buy votes. A husband and wife who make $80,000 a year together will have an extra $5oo a month taken out of their pay, so the tax cuts were not just for the rich. The rich pay more than 50% of their earnings in taxes on the federal, state, and local level. The left should not be lusting after other peoples money. You do not create wealth by dividing it up. You create lasiness and poverty.
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YOU GOT IT Bruce D.
INSTEAD OF ENCOURAGING THE LESS FORTUNATE TO STAY MEDIOCRE BY CONTINUOUSLY PAYING THEM OFF WHY NOT SHOW THEM HOW SATISFYING IT IS TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING FOR THEMSELVES AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT WOULD BE TO FORCE THEM TO TAKE A JOB AND REWARD THEM FOR A JOB WELL DONE OR LET THEM SOAK IN THEIR OWN JUICE IF THEY DON’T EVEN ATTEMPT TO DO WELL..
MERIT RAISES ARE A MUCH BETTER INCENTIVE THAN AUTOMATIC PROMOTIONS.

Mick,
AMEN brother!!! Merit raises are much better inducements than “well even if I siit around and do nothing I’ll get a raise”!!

Posts like this seem to make a lot of sense, until you hear that Walmart, not exactly your top tier employer is getting 4 applicants for every job posted. Take a look around and you’ll see job openings with even more people fighting for a chance to work. Just look at the headlines;
“Target, Macy’s, Walmart: More Than Four Applicants for Every Holiday Opening”
“Teachers facing tough test: too many applicants, too few jobs.”
“We’re getting well over 100 applicants for any position we post,”

And it’s not just the lack of jobs relative to the number of jobless. when Emirates Airlines held jobs fairs in cities like Miami and Houston, only about 50 people showed up. It’s not that people are not willing to work, they just don’t want to move to Dubai. There are also cases of openings that require such a huge pay cut that taking the job would mean losing the house. Some people seem to think that it’s just part of life, and you should take what you can, no matter the loss. I’m not on unemployment, but if I were and I had to accept less per month, plus add on transportation to get to the job, I’d have to say no thanks. It’s not that I wouldn’t want to work, but if I lost my house it would cast me MORE than my current house payment to find a rental! Besides, unemployment payments are not welfare, they’re part of our nation’s unemployment insurance system.

While it’s true that normal insurance doesn’t get extended like this, our nation is in need. If you stop providing help to those who have lost their jobs, things will only get worse. Some may take jobs that pay them less, but as noted above, there are not enough to go around. Welfare numbers will swell, and businesses will suffer as fewer and fewer people can afford to shop for even the bare minimums. As businesses suffer, more people will lose their jobs, so more will lose their homes and be placed the welfare roles. And giving tax breaks to the rich won’t help either. There’s plenty of talk about the wealthy providing jobs, but they didn’t get wealthy by hiring more people when sales are down. It’s not good business sense. Better to hold onto that money to expand when things are better.

Then get rid of 33 million illegals, seal the border and the jobs might start opening up!!!!

Well said…. No.. people won’t work for less (than previously earning OR the welfare… er ah unemployment stipend). Just one more argument verifying the social “safety net” has become a hammock.

What are you saying? you got to be kidding a rich person who earns one million dollars is paying over 50% of he’s or her’s income. It would mean they would have to pay over five hundred thousand dollars a year. If any of dummies believe what Bruce, is saying you guys have every right to vote republican. As of now they only pay TEN to TWELVE percent of their yearly income ,while you pay 33% to 36%. YOU dummies pay their taxes. The Bush tax cut meant that while he was president the wealthy would not have pay taxes. in turned you paid theirs, and YOURS!!!!!!

You should reread what I said as you did not understand. I said federal, state, and local. A $5 million home on the west coast of Florida can cost you $75,000 a year in taxes. A hefty sum to live in your own home. Government needs to be brought under control and you need to stop lusting after other peoples money. It is not a healthy frame of mind. Wake up and ‘start caring’.

So Bruce, what you are saying is that this region of Florida has a 1.5% property tax, correct? Now if it’s like most regions, this tax pays for their schools, Fire, Police, road maintenance, etc. Do you really think that is too much to pay for those services? What would it cost you if you had to pay for each of these services “a le carte”?

If you want to live in $5 million dollar opulence, that’s the price you have to pay. Others, like my mother in law in Florida own modest homes with a price tag millions of dollars less, say $250,000, so she’ll pay around $3,500.00 a year for those services. Sounds reasonable for the quality of life it provides, but I suppose we could cut back on the number of cops and fire fighters, maybe cram more kids into a class room to save money for someone with a $5 million dollar home who’s complaining about the cost of owning a home that fewer than 1 percent of Americans could even begin to think of owning. And people wonder why the majority of Americans are not in favor of extending the tax cuts for the top 2%.

Kenetic1 what I don’t want to say is that self rightous people like you should pay more in taxes on a voluntary basis but I can’t help myself. The Federal income tax form allows you to do that with no problem. What’s the chance of that though.

Bruce,
My family has done well and we don’t complain about our tax rate. My son asked me about the health care issue just the other day and I’ll tell you what I told him. We pay about $10,000 a year for health insurance. If the government wanted to take every cent of that and use it to provide universal health care, I’d be fine with that. If by allowing the government to avoid the costs related to providing for profit care did not save me a penny, but allowed those less fortunate to have preventative care as well, then I would consider it worth every cent.

By the by, before writing I took a look at Florida property and looked at homes in the million plus range. 1.3 will get you a 7100 sq. foot home on a half acre. You’ll get a pool, a theater, a dock, and tampa bay views. 4.95 will get you 7000 sq. feet in A PRIVATE GUARD GATED ISLAND IN AVENTURA! How about an elevator, 2 laundry rooms, indoor and outdoor kitchens, waterfront property, etc. and your taxes would be, now get this $10,600 a year. So I think I’m being more than reasonable when I refer to a 5 Million dollar home as opulent and anyone complaining about the taxes on it as self indulgent.

My friend worked as a carpenter for the man and I do not know if he complained about it. What I am saying is that $75,000 a year to live in your own house is a hefty sum and people should not be saying the rich do not pay taxes. You can do what you want with your money but you should not be trying to tell others what to do with theirs.

Deregulating health care

Whenever an industry becomes mired in special-interest rules, deregulation is the answer. It is a healing process that many industries periodically need. America “deregulated” trucking, airlines, the phone system, and power generation. In every case, dire predictions of chaos did not come true and the public benefited greatly. Power deregulation has also been very successful. What failed in California was not deregulation but simply another form of regulation.

Private regulation of health care is not new. For her first 120 years, America had a true free-market health-care system free of government interference. Herbalists, hydrotherapists, nature-cure practitioners, allopaths or drug doctors, homeopaths, Native American healers, religious healers, osteopaths, and others offered services and competed with one another. Each had its own schools, clinics, and hospitals. I was born in a formerly homeopathic hospital in New York City. There were few licensing laws, so no group had a legal advantage. Whoever helped people the most prospered. Competition between many kinds of practitioners kept prices low — people paid for exactly what they wanted. Our health statistics ranked first in the world. Today America’s worldwide rank in many health-care areas ranges from 19 to 22.

Deregulation in health care would have to be a two-part affair of (1) eliminating government regulation and government involvement; and (2) eliminating the control of the medical cartel. Obviously, this would not be easy to accomplish because (1) the welfare-state concept, which Americans embraced in the 20th century, entails a government “safety net”; and (2) the medical cartel has been in charge for more than 100 years and most people are unaware of the way it controls the system

Joe Nachio and Angelo Mozilo for starters! Don’t kid yourself there are plenty.

Who?????

Bruce D., just ignore eddie, he’s got this hate thing about CEO’s and corporations…crooked or not…

Nachio and Mizilo are both in prison so it’s pretty easy to figure out which side you are on. You will say anything to take a snipe, you gullible old fool.

Hey eddie…which side did you get out of my comment?…remember I said…”crooked or not”. You have an inbred hatred for corporations and CEO’s, you fool, whether they are “crooked or not”!

What part of my comment indicated I didn’t know they were in jail or that I supported corporations?

Like every other time you’re called on the carpet, I’ll not see a reply, let alone an honest one.

CHIRP, CHIRP, CHIRP!!!!! (crickets eddduuuuhhhh!!!!)

It just proves how little you know and your replies are always of the smart azz kind. That’s how your “conservative”??? mind works and always has. I see you have Joe with his nose up your butt saying the usual nothing. So much intelligence all in one package!

fast eddie, cute reply…really addressed the question didn’t you, complete with your potty mouth! At least you’ve stopped with your “man in a dress” fetish!

Stupid is as stupid does…in your case.

JeffH,
And he can’t even come up with anything original either!!! I’ve been telling him for months that if any of the other progressives here made a quick stop that they and eddduuuhhh would need surgery to remove his nose from their azz!!!

JoeH, I hear ya. They don’t come much “dopier” than steady eddie.

EddieD corporations do not pay taxes they pass the cost on to the consumer. If they cannot pass the tax onto the consumer they move their business out of the country. Really you should know that. Many businesses in NJ and CA have moved to Texas. Some move to Mexico and other places. The lefts war on business makes absolutely no sense. You should stop lusting after other peoples money and work with republicans to create a healthy enviroment for business to grow. When businesses hire they create new taxpayers. We need to create new wealth, not divide what is there among us. That will only lead to an impoverished nation.

You are somewhat correct and there are businesses who have a tough time surviving. Some of it has to do with their fellow competitors and the weekly coupons and low ball sales. I’ve seen plenty of stores who offered a good product at a fair price. Then someone comes along with a boatload of Chinese goods and the store collapses. That has been repeated numerous times in our country. The store owners become wealthy but pay lower wages which drives the economy down. It may heat up the Chinese economy but ours suffers. The same thing can be said about workers who get paid too much for the job they do and then they wonder why the company folds. Too much greed and selfishness on the part of workers and owners. So it’s not about envy of others but what these companies do to each other and to themselves. It all seems so avoidable and we consider ourselves a “wise and educated ” nation. That is why I like to poke those CEO’s in the eye and a good chunk of them deserve it.

I am beginning to see that with you eddie47 it is never going to be about high taxes and government abuse of power. Maybe your kind in the end will win out but for a brief time in history people have rejected government growth and power. It is alway harder to maintain principles of freedom than it is to become prey to the lure social slavery. Social slavery is a natural tendency for many.

Everett:

While you and I might disagree about the proper level of income taxation, I am not ill-informed – I do know that people with higher incomes pay a higher rate of taxes on their taxable income and higher amounts of taxes on their taxable incomes. I also know that many high-income earners pay a lower payroll tax than many middle-income earners, because income over $106,000 per year is exempt from Social Security taxes.

David,
The sunset clause in the Bush tax cuts was not because Bush economist warned it would lead to unsustainable debt. It was instead at the behest of Democrats who threatened to withold support without it’s inclusion.

Now, ten years hence and after volumes of left wing economist reports such as Paul Krugman’s forecast of financial armegedon, Democrats have done a 180 degree about face and have agreed at least in part to extend. What happened? Does that mean that Krugman’s work is all now trashcan material, or was it from the start?

Obama has signed on saying that everyone will get an extension except earnings over 250K, which is as close as you will get to an endorsement of the effectiveness of the Bush tax cuts that you will get from him.

Nancy Pelosi has said publicly that the Bush tax cut extension to all earners under 250K will stimulate the economy and put people back to work. What is happening to the Democrats? Are they experiencing post tramatic stress disorder? Is this a delayed reaction to the ground shaking under their feet last November 2nd?

And if extending tax cuts is the right move now, how come it was out of the question just a month ago?

Michael J.,

We have learned from experience over the years that democrats are not smart people. Proof positive is that they were flummoxed by an inexperienced fraud’s rhetoric to vote him to lead this country into a downward spiral toward socialism/communism. We did not want this and WILL NOT accept this. More proof was the last election. Now, on to the next one to clean more trash out of Washington. As a talk show host just recently said, “OK, so you voted for Obama two years ago just to prove you were not a racist. Now who will you vote for next election to prove you are not an idiot?”

Michael J,
You talk a good game, but face facts; there is no evidence suggesting that the Bush tax cuts created any jobs. In fact, even right wing economists have credited the ill timed cuts for driving the deficit through the roof. As for President Obama’s “tacit admission”, he simply recognizes that those in the middle class and lower are in on position to face any loss of income right now. Remember, while the top 2% of Americans were seeing 10% annual increases in income during the Bush years, the middle class was all but flat lined. Even if the tax breaks are allowed to end, the top 2% will still be paying far less, often half of what they would have in the ’30s, ’40s, ’50s, etc.

poysunivy,
I suppose you want us to say Sarah Palin? A women who doesn’t know who our allies are or why North and South Korea are split? Maybe you can call on one of the right wing geniuses in Kentucky who offered up a museum that depicts men riding Dinosaurs?

Kenetic1,
Since you mentioned “Obama’s tacit admission’s” let’s review.

Example #1 – Kerchner vs. Obama
Obama and Congress filed their opposition brief in the Kerchner v. Obama & Congress lawsuit in the U.S. 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia,PA. The roughly 20-page opposition brief was filed in response to Kerchner’s 115-page appeal. From Commander Kerchner:

What a lame and empty defense. Basically they’re saying Obama and Congress can totally ignore the U.S. Constitution and there is nothing We the People can legally do about it. No one has standing to right the wrong when Obama & Congress illegally violate Article II of the Constitution and seat illegally an ineligible person as President and Commander in Chief of our vast military power. We the People created the federal government and We the People are going to fix this totally broken and runaway federal government. These Progressive/Socialist/Marxists have gone a bridge too far in the disgraceful and unconstitutional 2008 election. This will not stand. We the People will not permit it.

On its face, the Department of Justice’s opposition brief looks like lazy lawyering–basically relying on “everyone else dismissed the case, you should too”, aka, ‘everyone else ignored the Constitution and so should you”. DOJ focused primarily on the issue of standing, arguing the same old lazy line that the plaintiffs did not prove a particularized injury and that the Court had no jurisdiction anyway. It is truly astounding: the Constitution protects individual liberty–individuals are harmed by an illegal President: their liberty, security and safety. DOJ says ‘so what, everyone is effected’, as if the Constitution does not matter. Lame indeed.

It is also a slap in the face to Commander Kerchner, attorney Appuzzo, and all Americans for the DOJ to treat so cavalierly the Constitution for the United States of America. They didn’t respond to one charge, and by their tacit response, admitted their knowledge of Obama’s ineligibility and demonstrated their disrespect for the Constitution.

Example #2 – Obama’s tacit admission to closing Guantanamo after it was a pillar of his presidential campaign speaks volumes. Bush has earned the right to say “I told you so” but because he is a true statesmen, you will never hear it from him.

Tacit response example #3 – “ACORN Who?”
I have to wonder if someone is being honest when they say that they aren’t paying attention to a major scandal centered around an organization they worked for, and with, their entire career — especially when Congress is cutting off all funds for that organization. So it is with President Obama and ACORN when he said yesterday, “You know, it’s — frankly, it’s not really something I’ve followed closely. I didn’t even know that ACORN was getting a whole lot of federal money.”

The following is the transcript of an Obama video that has been removed from You-Tube for being an inconvienient truth:

“When I ran project vote, the voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it. Once I was elected there wasn’t a campaign that ACORN worked on down in Springfield that I wasn’t right there with you. Since I have been in the United States Senate I’ve been always a partner with ACORN as well. I’ve been fighting with ACORN, along side ACORN, on issues you care about my entire career.” Barack Hussein Obama

Example #4 – Both Obama and Pelosi recently publicly stated that extending Bush Tax cuts on earnings under 250K will create jobs and stimulate the economy.

Conclusion – tacit admission = lie of omission

Example #1 – Kerchner vs. Obama
Kerchner v. Obama & Congress is just another attempt to beat a dead horse. How many courts have to hear these claims before everyone is satisfied? How many government agents need to testify to President Obama’s birth place?

Example #2 – Guantanamo is not a very good example. Bush may have found a way to hold suspected terrorists, but he also screwed up and locked up hundreds of innocent men. Unfortunately, years of
detention and abuse tend to turn even innocent men into terrorists. So now we have to find places to send these men and everyone wants money for their trouble. Just like the war, if the Bush administration had handled this better it would not be such a problem now.

Tacit response example #3 – “ACORN” “…especially when Congress is cutting off all funds for that organization.” And why did congress cut off their funding? Because FOX News spent day after day promoting falsified videos of “wrong doings” by ACORN. This was a hit piece and Congress fell for it.

As for Obama’s failure to own up to his relationship with ACORN, I’d say it’s damage control. I don’t like it, and I think his people should have looked into the accusations a defended ACORN. Not a good mark on Obama.

Example #4 – Both Obama and Pelosi recently publicly stated that extending Bush Tax cuts on earnings under 250K will create jobs and stimulate the economy. I have not seen this, but it stands to reason that those below 250k will continue to spend the money they keep, thus keeping the economy moving. It’s not an admission that the cuts were the right thing to do back in 2001, but that it would be harmful to end them in our current economy. It ‘s the same logic behind extending unemployment. If you continue to help support those who can not find work, they will spend every dollar they receive on food, clothing and housing. If you cut them off it will just increase the number of foreclosures and cripple even more businesses, while swelling the welfare roles.

You know, what you have presented here reminds me of something I heard Rush saying the other day. He was talking about the White House’s claim that ending unemployment extensions could cost as many as 600 thousand jobs. It’s easy to grasp. As I said before, no money means no spending. No spending means businesses will suffer and either delay hiring or lay workers off. To hear Rush talk about it you’d think it was the most amazing claim ever. You know he’s paid to make Liberals look bad, so he’ll say what ever it takes, but even he seemed to be struggling to make this story sound preposterous. He pointed here and there and did his best to twist the logic of the findings, but in the end it was clear that his only goal was to make Obama and the Dems in congress look bad.

Boundup1
you must be a lousy worker!! My wife got raises each and every year of the Bush years! She has only gotten one since Nobummer took over!!!

Kenetic!,
Example #1 – Kerchner vs. Obama boils down to selective judification on the part of the DOJ and the Supremes.

Example #2 – Guantanamo, as far as I am concerned, Gitmo would not now be an issue if it were not for the left’s politically correct rantings over rules of engagement. If allowed to prosecute the war WW11 style, most combatants encountered would have been eliminated on the spot. Those that were detained would have been interogated and held for trial without any Fondalike media hoopla.

Example #3 – Acorn, the video for which I provided the transcript for exposes Obama as a ball face liar. Or maybe you havn’t seen the video in question? Go to blaze.com where it is still available.
And exactly what video’s of Acorn were falsified by Fox, please elaborate.

Example #4 – If you havn’t seen Obama and Pelosi(2 seperate video’s) caving to the effectiveness of the Bush tax cuts by endorsing their current extention, maybe it’s because Olbermann, Matthews and whatever other Obamedia you indulge in are too shamed to show you.

P.S. I am glad to hear that you frequent Rush’s brodcast. I don’t follow his commentaries myself, but I do consider him a conservative in line with values I appreciate and share. I think he’s a consumate showman with a flare for sensationalism who also happens to be a genuine American Patriot.

http://republicoftheunitedstates.org/

Leon,
Very correct about the rich!!! Look at Denzel Washington. He donated a hospital wing for our troops coming back from the middle east that have been wounded!

Well said, Ted.

Dan, Yea pretty much every word of that speach cold be tagged as hot air now lol. Yea I hope that there are enough people out there that understand the video. Mike L.

Jc, Yea they pretty much both nail it. But they have an agenda as well both would be more than happy to see gold, silver and commadities rise. Because more than likely they are heavily invested in these. We need answers that would apply to the working class that are now at the point of breaking due to false inflation and flat job markets. The avarage person out there now is so cash strapped that it would be hard to impossible to find the extra money to invest in these markets.Mike L.

Dan, I understand where you are comming from. But here is where I differ in opinion. Any rework of the tax system that does not abolish the I.R.S is going to be subject to manipulation eventually.
I know as much as it has been demonised its hard to swallow but H.R 25(the fair tax) is actually our best hope of returning financial freedom to the people of the united states. This tax (national sales tax)returns the power of the purse strings to we the people.It goes hand in hand with the repeal of the 16th amendment.This amendment has never been ratified to begin with and with enough support could be nullified.

There are other countries out there that have implimented this tax system and their economies have started to recover. Specifically the top 7 on that list you had me look at that one day a few weeks ago. Even with the world econimes that are like ours and struggeling. Theirs are booming.

With the implementation of the fair tax we would have an influx of buisness again here in the states. If they knew they would not face a confiscatory tax system like we have now.Once again returning us to the status of a world power. These buisnes’es have fled our tax system since the 80′s if we care to look back that far. Mike L.