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World War III With Fiat!

November 22, 2010 by  

World War III With Fiat!

Let’s talk about a new definition of war.

If you sat in the brain trust of the inner sanctum of the World Order, how would you plan and create war? You would first move in the exoteric (the visible). You would create a shooting war with all the trappings of the propaganda of “terrorism” and conventional war hardware such as men, guns, tanks, airplanes and so on, ad infinitum. Sort of like what’s going on in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Your soldiers, guns and equipment are expendable because they only cost fiat, which costs you nothing. But you would program all the accountants and the talking heads about how outrageous the cost of war is, and they would transfer this thought to the people. You absolutely don’t want the people to know that you create war with fiat. They just might liquidate their paper money in favor of gold.

We just must have a “national debt” to mask the printing press and the truth that Ponzi finance is fraud from its inception, and there is never any intention to pay anybody.

Historically, fiat is a confidence game. But if handled perfectly, the people never know — at least not until the last stages when paper money collapses — and the middle class is impoverished and greed is at its apex. All this is becoming visible now to some people.

This is the exoteric, the visible.

Now the esoteric: This is the hidden war.

What about a war on the whole world? An invisible war that not one in 10 million could discern. Certainly no nation would blow the whistle lest they get the economic slats pulled from under them. Yes, this is war for economic gain… for trillions of dollars. This is the finale! This war is invisible and super-secret.

The Iraq war and the Afghanistan war are decoys. They are the wooden ducks.

The fact is, if the ruling powers revealed what they are doing, just a very few would understand, and most wouldn’t care as long as they could have their six-pack and TV so they could watch their football game or American Idol.

What we have here is the perfect crime to cap off the worldwide fiat system.

The purpose of this secret war is the plan for the flow of wealth from the people of the United States and the people of the world to the elite owners and rulers of the world — the money creators. The method and mechanism of the transfer is organized depreciation of the purchasing power of paper money. Has tribute ever had an equal?

A 100-year foundation of confidence in paper money is the platform for the final and greatest deception — the rip-off!

Depreciation of the currency is direct war on all dollar holders worldwide. No soldiers, no guns, no tanks, no budgets, no charges of crime, no fear of the press, no public outcry. The fox is in charge of the henhouse but the hens are unaware. In fact, they are unaware that they are unaware.

Oh, the foxes, they don’t talk about printing money. They call it “quantitative easing.” They are “easing” millions of people into poverty.

This final world war will leave millions and millions destitute and in poverty. Only a few will know what happened. The rest will slink about in their misery, trying to eke out a living or find a morsel of bread.

Is there anybody out there who doesn’t understand that if you keep pouring water in the milk, you finally have all water? This is how fiat finally destroys all savings and purchasing power.

All that is necessary is to keep printing new money and call it “quantitative easing.” The more paper money spewed out, the more worthless each one of those paper dollars in your pocket, or your mattress, or your “bank account,” or your retirement funds. What do we call this? A cruel hoax.

Yes, the modern alchemists have taken nothing, multiplied to infinity and transferred to themselves the wealth of the world.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Raggs

    They the elite.. want to put everyone into slavery… They will do away with “paper” money and use a micro-chip implant instead.

    • Concerned American

      I don’t think they will be able to do this without world war 3 first. Anybody who calls themself a christian would have to see that this would obviosly be the mark of the beast and they should know if they accept the mark, they damn themselves to Hell. With any other “sin” you can get right with God later at least. I think once you get the mark of the beast you are 100% #%#% and damned to Hell.

      • Raggs

        True… That is exactly why I said what I said…

        I see it as the “mark of the beast” And I think all christians will see it that way as well… I have already made my choice not to accept it even to the point of death…

        Once we have the knowledge of God it is easy to see what this “new world order” is and how it will be used to inslave the following of the anti-christ…

      • home boy

        i’m just curious where in the bible you found the word hell?

      • Randy

        Matthew 5:22
        But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
        Matthew 5:21-23 (in Context) Matthew 5 (Whole Chapter)
        Matthew 5:29
        If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
        Matthew 5:28-30 (in Context) Matthew 5 (Whole Chapter)
        Matthew 5:30
        And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
        Matthew 5:29-31 (in Context) Matthew 5 (Whole Chapter)
        Matthew 10:28
        Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
        Matthew 10:27-29 (in Context) Matthew 10 (Whole Chapter)
        Matthew 18:9
        And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
        Matthew 18:8-10 (in Context) Matthew 18 (Whole Chapter)
        Matthew 23:15
        “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
        Matthew 23:14-16 (in Context) Matthew 23 (Whole Chapter)
        Matthew 23:33
        “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
        Matthew 23:32-34 (in Context) Matthew 23 (Whole Chapter)
        Mark 9:43
        If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
        Mark 9:42-44 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)
        Mark 9:45
        And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.
        Mark 9:44-46 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)
        Mark 9:47
        And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,
        Mark 9:46-48 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)
        More results from New International Version

      • home boy

        so if god is a god of love why would he send you to a firey place to suffer?

      • JC

        So if the article is about the debauchery of the fiat currency, why are you asking for a theological debate? Why don’t you head on down to the nearest church and spend the day there? This thread is about money and survival.

      • Randy

        No, this is not a religious debate, however God does not want you in hell, Satan deludes you in thinking there is no God, or God is mean. YOU are the only one who sends yourself to HELL.

      • Viktor Leben

        Home Boy says

        “so if god is a god of love why would he send you to a firey place to suffer?”

        Because you deserve it …..

  • JRC

    Gold, Gold, gold,
    Buy gold…..the only people to gain from this are the people that control the fiat currency in the first place…the gold dealer billionaires and their crooked manipulators on Wall street that push the price up and up and up. The little man will end up holding nothing he can use if there is a collapse. Nobody in his / her right mind would trade any fruits from they’re fields and gardens for worthless metal.You could come to me on your knees and bring a ton of gold and I would not give you even one potato from my fields.
    The only reason the gold price is so high is speculation and greed. If there is a collapse of civilization, and it really goes into the cellar like many predict, it will take a hundred years to rebuild. People will need steel to make plows and other materials to build a rudimentary society. Gold will be useless.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      “The only reason the gold price is so high is speculation and greed.”

      Not true…what your looking at is a devalued dollar..so Gold’s intrinsic value remains the same, it just takes more currency to purchase it because the currency is depreciating in value due to an inflated money base.

      • Denniso

        Not true…gold is up because there is increased demand,particularly in India. And there is much demand created by the fear mongers proclaiming that the world is ending and everyone should buy gold. I’m not sure what good gold will do when we have no food and water,but I trust the big shots know the answer.

      • Randy

        Same situation happend in the late 1970′s with Pres. Carter. Gold and silver jumped to high levels. I purchased a house, at nineteen while in the military at a whopping 18% interest rate. Things were looking bad. The savings and loan industry had been deregulated and caused the first housing crisis. It was the same story on the news and congress was talking the same as today. In 1980 congress talking points were “our children will be paying this debt of many years”. Congress had the resolution trust take over the situation and sell off assets. Precious metals shot up in price! Then went down again.
        The problem is you can never tell if this time it is the big-one or not.

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    Spend your fiat money and save real tangible stuff.

  • Resist

    So many sites, newsletters, books, speakers have eloquently stated all the above for decades. What is always, and still is, missing is what an individual can do to resist. Where is the guide that enables people to passively resist? Talking, moaning and preparing food stores victimizes us further and feeds defeatism. Any suggestions?

  • Randy

    Tom says:
    November 22, 2010 at 7:34 am
    This is exactly why they are trying to disarm the populus. The rich can control the people, only if the people are disarmed. the very FIRST thing Hitler did was to ban all guns in germany. As long as Americans have guns, they, the ruling class, will have a hell of a time keeping some of us in check.
    Randy says:
    The war in Iraq and Afghanistan my just be practice for are all voluntary armed forces. They knew Iraq would be door to door combat with an armed population. Now the armed forces have the experience to handle it. Afghanistan is like the open spaces on the western USA. The powers that be will call Marshall Law and the same troops will come to control the population. What makes you think gun owning Americans can do any better against high tech night vision, helicopters, tanks, and trained mercenaries’?
    If you head for the hills, drones flying high using advanced GPS and FLEER will spot groups in complete darkness at 20,000 feet. You will be killed with a rocket before you know what hit you. Yes I know we defeated the British Army in 1776 with a few poorly armed people with a dream. But remember both sides had the same basic weapons. Today it would be like 1776 but the British have Drones, Jets, night vision, tanks, and much more. Maybe after it’s over the super elite will use what’s left to build pyramids for themselves for glory.

    • JRC

      Bawahahaha., What you wanna do with your guns against armored vehicles and other military hardware that the ruling class has access to? NOTHING. Its just wet dreams if you believe you can do anything with your rifle and handgun against rockets,tanks, drones and mortars.

      • Jimmie

        The same soldiers who would be required to put down a population in this country are the ones defending this country oversees. Before these soldiers would somehow change their stripes and kill innocent civilians because their command-in-chief desires it, there would be a military coupe to take back the government. Our boys in uniform today are defending our country for the right reasons and are not blind robots just following orders.

      • Randy

        Some may object to turning a gun on fellow Americans but the government is smarter than that. They are going to sweeten the pie for the police and military. Let’s say you are 19 or 20 years old when this goes down, and you are in the military. The streets are swarming with rioters and people with guns. Even if it was a peaceful protest, all they have to do is insert some operatives in the crowd to start the chaos by shooting people. This will give the media cause to start reporting on the killing by armed bandit protestors and start the fear going. The military tell media and people they need our protection and call Marshall Law.
        They tell you anyone looting or with a weapon can be shot on sight, to bring order or the federal government will fall. They also tell you your family will be protected because you are in the military. They will evacuate your family to a protected military base. Will you toss down your weapon and say this is unconstitutional and risk being one of the crowd with no protection, leaving your family to fend for themselves? Or do you do as the rest of your fellow military group does and take on the mass mob mentality like psychology says you will do? What you seem to not understand is there are some bad people in the government that work for a paycheck and raw power. People who will take you away with no charges and no lawyer, and torture you just for fun. These are not the common grunt solders. These are well paid people with the power to kill you with no consequence. CIA, Black ops, FBI, Secret Service, and now contractors hired by the United States such as Backwater and others have no problem with your constitutional rights. Wake up! You are a bug to be smashed! You can write your congressman, just be sure to include a money order for cash for twenty to forty thousand cash. The government under the New World Order has had time to play out many scenarios to handle an uprising. I don’t know what the answer is but I do know Democrats and Republicans are the same thing. They are both taking corporate interest over the people. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a veteran and respect our troops. It’s just easy to be mislead, even people with 20 years in will not know what’s really going on.

    • Concerned American

      This is what I have been saying…. the fate of our republic is ultimately in the hands of the military. When and if the crap hits the fan our military (hopefully) will split into two factions. Those that will follow orders no matter what and those that stand up and say wait a minute (such as oathkeepers). Its a question of how many blindly follow orders. If enough military side with the banksters / Pentagram / top level NWO generals and POTUS issuing the orders, then America is #%@##% and all you morons praising the US troops on many federal holidays will feel like idiots when they march you into pits before murdering you Nazi style. If enough military sides with the people against the controllers… we have hope, HOWEVER, “Civil War 2″ could leave our country so weak that China and Russia just come and mop us up….

      Tis a scary time we are headed to… No question about it. The last time we had a Great Depression, a lunatic madman killed 6 million of an entire race like cattle and caused a war that killed millions more. Who knows what horrors will result from Great Depression 2? All I know is that a soldier and an oathkeeper, I know what side of the fence I will be on. I look at pictures of starving Jews in WW2 and starving African children today and I know exactly how I want to die at least… I want to die a quick and violent death in defense (let be clear that pre-emptive violence is NEVER ok IMO) rather than prolonged starvation and despair.

      • Teresa

        Very well said, even the oathkeepers are getting hit hard from top officials.

      • JC

        Thanks fo0r the observation / statement.
        You really do have to wonder just how brain washed the military is or isn’t…
        Those people are our family, friends and neighbors. If they choose to come against us they are traitors to America and it’s open season on them. If they choose to defend Americans and the Constitution, I will pledge my life beside theirs to put down the nazi forces of the banksters. But as you say, who will be watching the back door?

      • Concerned American

        This is why I think any prediction of how America turns out decades from now is just crazy. I see many different scenarios unfolding… We are headed for bad times though. That much is absolutely certain. Tent cities will grow, starvation in America will grow, homelessness will grow, etc.

        People make fun of survivalists as being some crazy rednecks or something, which I don’t understand. To me, being labled a survivalist who can live without modern civilization should be considered a badge of honor… sort of like being really muscular like a body builder, being a doctor, etc.

      • JC

        Certainly it’s a good idea to stock up on essentials and be ready to defend whatever you have. Better to be prepared and wrong than the other way around. Community is a good idea too. Get people involved. People with military or police experience as well as woodsmen and hunters should be part of the group.

      • Joyce from Loris

        You are right, and don’t forget…. TEACH THE CHILDREN! They are the ones who will be left behind to forge a new world. Today’s society has forgotten how to be self sufficient, thanks to a government that has taught us that we must depend on them. Learn what you need to know and teach the children.

  • Howard Roark

    To Sleeve: the main argument by the bankers for the Federal Reserve is that it would smooth out the large up and down swings in the economy. history has obviously proved that to be wrong. it obviously is not working.

    Why is it that the States must balance theit budgets but the Fed. Govt does not have to. it is because the States cannot print money. if the country had stayed on the gold standard the Fed Govt would also be prevented from creating money out of thin air.

    History has clearly shown that the reason that any Government goes to a fiat paper money scheme is so it can steal from its citizens with inflation. example: when the fraudulent Social Security first stole a dollar from me (1959) candy bars were a nickle. I could buy 20 candy bars with that dollar. The Soc. Sec. system recently gave that dollar back to me and claimed that they had paid me back 100 percent. thats odd because the dollar that was returned to me will not buy three candy bars. Im sure that you have heard the liars in the Social Security Administration say that you will get back more than you pay into Soc. Sec. dollar for do;;ar that is true but I WILL NEVER GET BACK THE BUYING POWER THAT WAS STOLEN FROM ME.

    • Joyce from Loris

      Howard, you are so right. That dollar will not buy ONE candy bar, much less three. Thieves, all of them. And everyday, you and I work like dogs to supply them with OUR MONEY.

  • http://com i41

    All together, thank you, to the liberial progressive group, known as the National Marxist Communist Democrat Union Party. It has been and alwas, and will keep trying for their untimate goal, of turning the USA, into a totalition dictatorship. There has been rinos who finally have to changre over to a socialist when they can no longer get elected as phonies, but some always slip in.

  • http://Vodacom Bertie

    Theresa and Robert Smith, You obviously do not know a lot about God.Your cry’s are good and action needs to be taken. Then again you do not realize the might of the taxpayer. If ALL Americans feel the same and you feel that Your taxes are being misspent, why do you keep on paying taxes?
    Bertie
    South Africa

    • Rex

      Because we the people of the US know that if we don’t pay their taxes we go to jail!

    • Shibamom

      We keep paying our taxes because we also know that it’s the “little people” that get caught not paying and we go to jail. The folks with lots of money can afford to pay lawyers, etc., to get them off. But typical middle class Americans cannot. At least, that’s why I pay my taxes. I don’t like it, I think we’re taxed way too much, AND I think we are being robbed big time. But…I don’t want to spend a large portion of my life in prison and have the rest of my life ruined because of a criminal record. You see, our Government has made it it’s business to criminalize as many hard working Americans as possible so they can make examples of what happens when you don’t toe the line. I’m sick of the entire lot of political elites!

      • Jim Cumber

        The only reason the “elites” get away with “highway robbery” is that average Americans have not realized that we can have “legal insurance”, just like they do in Europe, where they have had it for about a century. In some European countries, you can’t own a house, a car, or even get married without some form of legal insurance.

        Such legal insurance has only been available in America since about 1972. Look up “Pre-Paid Legal Services Inc.” It was started by Harlan Stonecipher, after he had to fight a frivolous law suit from a traffic accident in 1969: he was NOT driver charged with being “at fault” in the accident! Pre-Paid Legal is traded on the New York Stock Exchange (ticker symbol “PPD”) and has an EXTREMELY good “Family Plan” for legal “life events”, that covers ALL of the family: husband, wife, and all children.

        Most folks understand the need for health insurance, but few realize that one is nearly 3 times as likely (in this litigious society) to be hauled into court as to be laid up in the hospital. The issue is not whether a not you have actually USED a lawyer, but rather, whether or not you have NEEDED to use a lawyer, in your lifetime! Ever signed a contract, such as for a new home, or a new car? Ever have a traffic citation? Ever had your identity stolen? If the answer to any of these is “yes”, then you have NEEDED a lawyer, even if you did NOT have one!

    • Teresa

      Bertie, I do not know if you misunderstand me or what but I am a single mother and raise 2 nieces WITHOUT ANY GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE and I pay my taxes and yes I know my God! I know that God is what WE need to be turned to for strength and WE need to stand together!

    • DaveH

      They would just print more money and create more debt, Bertie. They don’t really need our tax dollars. The only way to stop this is to educate the electorate. Start by getting our kids out of the Propaganda Schools.

      • Denniso

        Yep, everything will be alright if we just homeschool all the kids. We all know that the public schools are at the root of all the evil we see going on today,here and around the world.

    • Joyce from Loris

      Bertie, I don’t know how things work in South Africa, but in America, if you do not pay your taxes, our government will seize your property, garnish your wages, seize your bank account and every penny in it, AND put you in jail for tax evasion. Now, if things are that different in your country, let us know. Maybe a few of us will risk learning what it means to be an immigrant. In the United States of America today, the only person that can LEGALLY BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST is the white male. Our own government discriminates against white men. Don’t believe me? Go to you tube, type in “white men need not apply” and watch the video. Our own United States Department of Agriculture sent out our newsletter last April, discussing programs and loans available to farmers to help them. Of course, it stated that white men were not eligible due to the fact they are not considered “socially disadvantaged”. In who’s opinion, you might ask? Well, the governments, of course. THEY determine who is and who is not socially disadvantaged.

    • MR MYTH

      By definition all property taxes, personal or real, are extortion.

      Government holds threats over the people if you don’t pay them X number of dollars for whatever property you might own. MISUSE OF AUTHORITY!

  • Radical Thinker

    The real issue is that they are breaking the established laws that govern our Country, to change the laws so that the American way of living will be against the law. If we the people cant hold them accountable for breaking the established laws that are already in place how are we going to stop them from making the American way of life against the law. The only way to do that is to realize that every generation must stand for truth, and realize that freedom is a gift from God but it requires us to be willing to say give me liberty or give me death. To God be the glory for his Kingdom will win in the end because Jesus is Lord of lords and King of kings.

    • Teresa

      Very well said….we have to pay closer attention to the judicial system. The judges are being appointed and people are not taking notice until its too late and then we hear about another right taken away and then we all start crying wolf….we have to stay on our congress men/women and pay attention to ALL our surroundings…local officials…but especially the judiciary.

  • Gary

    I really think that a reduction of the US dollar will also kill the elite in the end as they will break their own servo loop of profits and suffer defeat as their mass owned assets are reduced in value. Their best bet I think is to prop up the dollar and keep their stranglehold on us forever. We are already beginning to understand what has happened in 1913 if were forced to suffer enough there will be a backlash I would guess. I see there is always protests at G20 meetings and they were growing until recently. Maybe the writer is right and we will suffer death by a million cuts but for now I think the Corps and elites are rethinking this for stabilization of the world, not taking it over. Lets hope so anyway.

    • DaveH

      Only cash money or cash savings are affected. Their real property and other hard assets are not affected by dollar devaluation. They know what they’re doing unlike most of the people.

      • Joyce from Loris

        What about the never ending taxes on these properties? Will the amount of taxes be affected by this?

  • Bobby D

    DON’T TAKE THE “MARK”

  • Joyce from Loris

    I agree with most comments. We are a force to be reckoned with, but the problem as I see it is this…. It is hard to get people to stand together, to agree enough on the issues to make a “force”. We are divided in so many ways, and you have so many “groups” that are against the “other groups”. As for me and mine, we are not just worrying about being prepared. We are changing our life styles. We are going back to nature, and learning to take care of ourselves. We are growing our own foods, preparing our foods, etc. We are educating ourselves daily on the ways to fend for ourselves. It is amazing, when you really tear your life apart under a microscope, the things you can learn about yourselves. I can’t tell you how hard I have worked to make money, only to take it to the closest restaurant, and hand it over! I could have taken that time and cooked our own meals, with the food we grew ourselves! I could have feed my family for a month on what we spent on one dinner out! We have turned into a materialistic nation. We live in homes that cost $500,000 with three or four TV throughout, swimming pools, hot tubs, three or four vehicles in the yard, four wheelers, boats. My God, at the money we have thrown away. I have pictures that I spent $300 to $400 on, for EACH ONE! I have sold those, along with the beautiful, expensive what nots. I have traded the $400 corporate suits for very comfortable jeans and sweat pants. I have gotten rid of the $60,000 Crossfire I drove, and now have a pick up truck. Oh, yes, we got rid of the $500,000 house as well. We live on a two hundred acre farm, in a nice little house. Life can be good! Instead of worrying about making a million a year, I worry about the birds eating my berries! Life is good, and the W.B., I.M.F. and the Federal Reserve can kiss my butt!

    • Teresa

      No, not really…this is where common sense is lacking…we ea. know right from wrong plain and simple! People, government and religions have made it into more than nothing but politically correct! We know RIGHT FROM WRONG end of story, we know what we should do only some choose differently due to greed, vanity, pride…etc…but the fact remains, we know what is right!

      • Joyce from Loris

        You are right, however, your definition of “right and wrong”, I promise you, differs from what a muslim considers to be “right and wrong”. Do you think it is wrong to invade another country, take welfare checks, food stamps, etc., from a system that you have never supported? Well, the illegal mexicans do not think it is wrong. Do you think, as a small business owner, that it is wrong to NOT pay any taxes on your profits? Well, the small business owners here in America WHO ARE FROM INDIA, for example, thinks it is all good that they can own a “small business” and not pay taxes for 7 years. Do you think that it is OK that there are a set of laws in America that are for a certain “group” of people? Well, there is a “group” of people, namely the NAACP, that think it is just fine that there are a set of rules for them, namely the Civil Rights Act. I think that all laws of this nation should be for EVERYONE, not just a certain group. That’s what I mean by “you can’t get everyone to stand together for a common cause”. So called “Americans” have too many definitions in this country today. My ancestors were native Americans on my mother’s side, German Irish on my Dad’s side. His ancestors came to this country in the early 1700′s. Every generation of his family has served in the military and fought in every war America had. Yet, someone who’s parents came here from Cuba in 1950 feel they are as much of an American as I am. I disagree, but that’s just me. Common sense left this nation and these people decades ago.

    • Dan az

      Joyce from Loris
      I did the same thing 16yrs ago and when I do go to the city I wounder how anyone can live like that,and have any hope for a future.All I see is people working to spend on frivolous things to keep up with the Jones.There is know meaning to their lives other than work play spend know future.By the way where is loris?I remember you saying that they where threatening you that you couldnt even fish your own pond without a lic.How did that work out for ya?

  • Elaine

    In answer to Rob Smith,

    Why is our God letting this happen to us???? Just think about how we have ignored his teachings, taken his name out of so many things, outlawed prayer, stopped teaching our children about Jesus, and so many other things today which ignore HIS countless blessing we have received from HIM in our country for over 200 years. We need to clean up our act and start behaving like people who deserve God’s love. He is pulling back from us because we are pulling back from HIM!!!!

    • JRC

      Because he is nothing but a fraud, invented by man to control the superstitious masses?

      • Teresa

        U can not disprove the Bible…that is a fact! God is real! As a christian I will pray that you seek God.

      • Joseph Francione

        Teresa, here is a must read for you:

        The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy
        C. Dennis McKinsey

        http://www.amazon.ca/Encyclopedia-Bible-Errancy-C-Mckinsey/dp/0879759267

        McKinsey has offered a great service to humankind in that he has made it easier to refute the nonsense of religion. True Believers a la Hoffer (THE TRUE BELIEVER) cannot be saved from their own bigoted ignorance, however McKinsey makes it almost possible. Those less then TRUE believers who claim to worship truth and have an open mind will have a hard time reading this book without throwing out the Bible afterward.

        Unlike many might think, I am not an atheist. And although I am an ex-Catholic and ex-fundamentalist Christian I continue to very much believe in God. But now I embrace Deism, the religion of our American Founding Fathers. Unlike atheism or agnosticism, Deism takes the enlightened position that there is a God and then shuts up and sits down.

        McKinsey’s book obliterates Christianity, Judaism and starts to go to work on Islam and Mormonism as well. Only a bigot that cannot stand the truth can fail to agree with McKinsey’s logical conclusions and reasonable arguments. Even though his distaste for the charletans that sold us “revealed religions” shows through, his logic cannot be disputed logically. Of course it may be disregarded by those it threatens.

        However, this book can’t touch Deism simply because Deism makes no outlandish claims of miracles, contradictions and supernatural beings. And it doesn’t claim to have a body of “revealed scriptures” that have been handed to it by God or one of his angels or agents. McKinsey points out the ludicrousness of this “revealeed religion” nonsense beautifully.

        Unlike what many Fundamentalist Christian mouthpieces might say Jefferson, Paine, Washington, et al were most definitely Deists and NOT CHRISTIANS. Jefferson even edited out the nonsense from the gospels in producing his Jefferson Bible, hardly the work of a Christian who can “neither add nor take away from the word of God!” Yet that doesn’t stop Fundamentalists from dropping names in an attempt to “prove” that Christianity is the religion of America. Too bad, Jefferson simply was as much a Christian as McKinsey.

        McKinsey’s E.of B.E. greatly simplifies the task of uncovering the many contradictions, incorrect “facts” and hypocrisy of the Bible. It is well worth the list price as it is a hardbound quality book that will last longer then the average Bible. I hope it lasts longer for more than one reason.

        Joseph Francione, author, HOW TO SAVE AMERICA AND THE WORLD

      • jimbo

        You pick on people who have possilby little theological background. I on the other hand have MUCH. Your errancy claim will not stand any reputable debate whether you want to debate the original language or the contexts.

        We pray for folks like you who subvert the truth. And as for a lasting book, I must remind you that the Bible is THE unique piece of literature in the world, as it has withstood many and various means of destruction and harm by folks like you (all of whom are now in the dustbins of history).

        Faith is imparted in the Word of God. Faith is a necessary component of believing in the God of the Bible. Just because you have no faith, does not prove a falsehood.

      • Viktor Leben

        Hi Joseph !
        You need to trust me on this .. those books written against the Bible’s inerrancy are childish in their arguments.

        For example, You might read in some of them books that God was wrong in ordering the Israelites to wipe out a nation (including woman and children). Or how about when the prophet Elisha was made fun of by a group of children and a bear came and ripped them all to pieces.

        The problem is we try to make God in our image. The fact is we are made in God’s image. God does what He wants. No one can judge Him. Not even them dumbass critics of God and the Bible ….

        God will show mercy when/where He wants or be mankind’s Judge. Right now He offers us forgiveness and eternal life thru Jesus . This sure is a good time. If/when that offer is withdrawn at the end of the Church Age we will see God’s wrath…

        God and the Bible are real … get use to it !!

      • Teresa

        Joseph, I need not read your book. You see, scientist and authors from all over have tried to discredit the Bible since beginning of time. God told us…that this book, his word, the Bible would never be destroyed…you can take YOUR VERSION and misquote it any way you would like, that does not mean the Bible is false! You see, you nor anyone has ever, and never will prove the Bible to be false, the best you can do is misinterpret and spread false lies of his teachings and his Word. A person has to educate themself in their studies of the bible to have a close relationship w/God. And yes you do have to have faith. And my faith is in God, not Man.

      • Kate8

        Joseph, You won’t find God with ANY ism. In fact, it is only when we, finally, let go of ALL previously held beliefs and isms that we begin to glimpse the truth.

        Scriptures hold many layers of truth. Only now are a few beginning to see beyond the commonly held misinterpretations. God said that man would not begin to understand what scripures mean until the Last Days, when things would be revealed to those who persevere in their understanding.

      • Jim Cumber

        Joseph Francione: I would probably agree with the statements in the recommended volume about Islam. As a student of the Middle East, I have discovered that Islam (having read no less than 3 translations of the Quran into English!) is one of the most convoluted and inaccurate “religions” on the planet! For instance, the Quran confuses Miriam, the sister of Moses, with Mary, the mother of Christ, despite the fact that these two persons are separated by at least 1,400 years! Several other, similar examples could be cited…

        Allah is actually a pagan, Babylonian, “Moon God” (hence the crescent moon as the universally recognized symbol of Islam), “exported” to Arabia long BEFORE the birth of Muhammad. It is so fouled up and confused that it is almost impossible to understand the text without resort to the commentary of Muslim Mullahs, and quite difficult, even then! I would probably NOT agree with the statements about the Jewish and Christians and CERTAINLY NOT about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! The LDS scriptures are the most plain, simple, and logically consistent of any I have yet read!

      • Bruce D.

        Joseph, Washington was not a deist as most of the founders were not. I do not understand why people keep saying Washington was a deist when he is well know for prayer and for his belief in divine intervention. The few that were deist like Franklin and Jefferson did not have the animosity that you have for religion. You have a right to your beliefs as do others. Why be derespectful unless your beliefs are not strong enough to sustain you.

      • Karolyn

        Thanks for the info,Joseph – I have just started reading “Mis-quoting Jesus” and am interested in other works regarding the Bible.

      • JC

        Al religions are a matter of faith, not scientific debate.
        I have no problem with people who worship whatever they want, however they want. That is, until they start advocating my death…then they are a gang of thugs, not religious worshippers.
        So there is no point in the athiests of the world trying to distract from the main argument by shouting down people’s faith. It’s a complete waste of time.
        But then Libbies are prone to that sort of behaviour, and I’ll take a gun toting Christian over an open minded Communist any day of the week.

      • Bruce D.

        Good point JC and I agree with that.

      • Jim Cumber

        Sorry, JC, there have been several scientific techniques which have been brought to bear on Biblical texts and those of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which elevates them from simple exercises in pure faith, to expeditions into “hard” science disciplines, such as mathematics, computer science, and stylometry. The LDS Church has a fitting hymn, that begins: “How firm a foundation, ye Saints of the Lord, is laid for your faith in his excellent Word…” Though not, specifically, referring to these scientific exercises, the song, nonetheless, makes an EXCELLENT point…

      • JC

        I think we know that Jesus existed and just when and where can be sought through science. Science can not explain nor verify if he was the Son of God, nor the existence of God himself. That’s where faith comes in.

      • Robert Smith

        BELIEVE and you will SEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

        Rob

      • alpha-lemming

        Isn’t this a GREAT country, wherein it allows people to worship the deity of their choice…….. even when that deity is “nothing”.

        Let us consider that “God” is synonymous for things that are bigger than us or beyond our control. To bow at the altar of your (there is no) God, there is only one legititmate position from which to argue. You must believe there is no person or people, no occurance, no situation, no set of circumstances…. no THING in the universe that is “more important than me”.

        Certainly goes a long way to explaining why you guys think you can alter the climate to your liking. After all…. you’re God!! And sad to say, it’s the same reason we’ll never be able to have any dialog. I’don’t think you’re the most important thing in the universe… and where do we find common ground/compromise on your position?

      • Randy

        Jesus The Christ, and son of God.

    • MR MYTH

      It’s part of the plan!

      Lest anyone be lured into thinking that the world communist movement has shifted its strategy and tactics over the decades, here are excerpts from “COMMUNIST RULES FOR REVOLUTION,” a document that was captured by allied forces in Dusseldorf in May, 1919. It might explain some of today’s happenings:

      (I’m not making this up, it’s verbatum.)

      A.Corrupt the young, GET THEM AWAY FROM RELIGION. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, destroy their ruggedness.

      B. Get control of all means of publicity and thereby:
      1. Get people’s minds off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities.
      2. Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.
      3. Destroy the people’s faith in their natural leaders by holding the latter up to contempt, ridicule and obloquy (disgrace).
      4. Always preach true democracy BUT SEIZE POWER as fast and ruthlessly as possible.

    • Robert Smith

      From Elaine: “HIS countless blessing we have received from HIM in our country for over 200 years. We need to clean up our act and start behaving like people who deserve God’s love.”

      Yup, for the first part of America’s life there were no drug laws, no anti-abortion laws, no prohibition, little organized crime, no defense of marriage act…

      Rob

  • P W

    My guns none of which are registered are clean and well oiled and my ammo stock is full. Mad Max life styles may very well soon be upon us. My advise is to prepare your self and your family for the rough time we are about to face.

    Learn to produce your own food and power. Learn to get back to the basics of living. We are Americans and we will survive this. Trust in God and he will provide the way.

    • Robert Smith

      From P W: ” Trust in God and he will provide the way.”

      Really ! Can’t he just fix it BEFORE we have to go to Thunderdome for our gasoline?

      Rob

      • Teresa

        If you spent as much time worrying about your soul as you do your material things you might find peace w/yourself and come up w/better solutions to the problems we face today. Only thru God will you find that. Trust God NOT Man, that is where your problem lies!

      • MR MYTH

        GEN:1 vs 11&12…end prohibition now… “GOD saw that it was good”. It says so…HONEST! Off subject, just a note for the Bible thumpers.

      • TIME

        Robert,

        Why do you feel that this life is all that there is? This is only one stage we walk, as the curtain drops here we walk the next stage.

        Just like when you turn off your Telie its not gone, its just not on in your home. Please try and Dig deeper into the meaning of life, stop tossing pasta at the wall to see what will stick.

      • Robert Smith

        “Just like when you turn off your Telie its not gone, its just not on in your home. ”

        Actually I can turn of a television transmitter any time I want from any keyboard or telphone. Then there is no telly in any homes.

        Rob

      • Bruce D.

        I think that is a reasonable request Robert Smith. It seems like the same problems exist throughout history. The system does seem flawed. Not as perfect a creation as some would insist.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Great insight and yes it does fit right in with God;s forknowledge and plans for the future. If you know Him, we have nothing to fear as ultimately He will destroy the wicked. Should we stand for truth and righteousness. Yes Yes Yes. His “Righeousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people”. Always has been and always will be.

    • Robert Smith

      From Henry: ” If you know Him (Henry’s god), we have nothing to fear as ultimately He will destroy the wicked.”

      Yup, that worked out OK in history. 7,000,000 people killed by Hitler, 1 Hitler eventually destroyed.

      How can we work on the timing of that? I don’t like the numbers of the wicked destroying seven million and the wicked beign one.

      Rob

      • DaveH

        Robert,
        Maybe instead of attacking their beliefs, you could simply point out that murder is not okay just because it is committed by Government.

      • TIME

        Dave,

        Its rather clear that Robert seems to have missunderstood that Murder is not within reason no matter who commits the act.
        And is “totaly unconscionable” when commited by any government to gain total power over its people.

      • Kate8

        RobertSmith, The wicked are always destroyed eventually by their own wickedness. That is God’s Universal Law.

        Unfortunately, they always take great numbers of people out first. If you were to read Scriptures you would see that most of Earth’s population will perish before things are set right, just as they have many times in the past.

        With God, there is not time. Time/space exists only in manifest existence. That is why God sees all. With Him there is not past or future.

        Life is only a temporary experience, anyway. It comes, it goes. There is so much we don’t perceive or understand, and there are those who work hard to make sure we don’t. It is up to each individual to discover the Truth for oneself. Few ever do.

  • Howard Roark

    And by the way the good news is that under the Federal Reserve Charter the US Govt can buy out the Federal Reserve and return the money creating powers back to the people. the amount neened to buy them out is a triffle in todays amounts.

    We should buy them out. using their own funny money; of course.

  • Sleeve

    What would the history of the world have been without the Federal Reserve System turning point between 1911-1913? What wealth that has been taken away CAN be taken back. See 14th Amendment, section 4–the mention of insurrection/the responsibility for public debt.

  • Howard Roark

    to jeffH; YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW THAT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WORLD BANKERS HAVE DONE TO THE WORLD. every war since at least the napolianic wars have been orgistrated by the world bankers. they make tons of money by backing both sides and then lending money to the victor.

    the us constitution Article one section eight allows the Fed. Govt to coin (notice coin, not print) money. Article four forbids the states from coining money and it also requires the states to pay their debt in gold and silver coin. its not hard to figure out that if the states cannot coin money and must pay their debt in gold and silver coin and tha only place that the states can obtain coined money is from the Fed. Govt. then the Feds must coin the money from gold and silver.

    In 1913 the Congress changed the constitution with legislation by creating the Federal Reserve Bank. (its not a bank it has no reserves and it is not federal) The US Supreme Court in “United States vs. Ballard 535 F2d 400,404″ ruled that the Congress cannot by legislation alter the Constitution. It is unconstitutional for congress to give themselves powers or GIVE AWAY ANY POWERS GIVEN THEM BY THE PEOPLE with the use of legislation.

    • Jim Cumber

      Howard Roark, you are generally correct on the Federal Reserve establishment in 1913, However, the REAL problem with the whole affair was that replacing the role of Congress in controlling the money supply of the United States (as stated in Article I if the US Constitution) and replacing it with a private Banking Cartel (the misnamed Federal Reserve) could NOT be legally and constitutionally accomplished without a Constitutional Amendment, and the Federal Reserve Act was NOT an Amendment to the US Constitution!

      To put this all in the simplest terms, the so-called Federal Reserve is: 1) Unconstitutional; 2) Illegal; 3) essentially (in view of 1) and 2) above), a criminal enterprise under the Rico statutes, which should be disbanded, along with the 16th Amendment (which even a Federal Judge has admitted was NEVER legally and Constitutionally passed into law) and the IRS which the 16th Amendment “legalized” as the “collector” for the Federal Reserve System. In short, the Federal Reserve SHOULD be BOTH audited and DISBANDED, returning control of the money of the United States to the US Congress, as provided by Article I of the US Constitution, complete with the coining (NOT “printing”) of “hard” specie, coin money.

      Actually, having REAL gold and silver (and, possibly, platinum) coin “money” would solve a number of present economic and financial problems.

  • dave

    Where is the revolution? I’m waiting.Every one is still asleep.How do you wake them. Still waiting!

    • DaveH

      The only revolution we need is a revolution in thought. We need to disimpower the public schools that have been propagandizing our children. Push hard for voucher systems everywhere.

      • TIME

        Dave,

        How true my friend!

        We must be like Martin Luther King or Gandhi ~ and use the POWER of PEACE and God’s Pure Love setting small seeds within the sleeping persons minds.
        These seeds will grow into a wealth of energy and Power that will allow us to move to a higher level.

        Never underestimate the power of Gods Pure Love.

      • S.C.Murf

        Amen brother

        up the hill
        airborne

      • Jim Cumber

        We should also remember one of Armey’s Axioms: “If you love PEACE more than FREEDOM, YOU LOSE!”

      • Bruce D.

        DaveH I could not agree with you more. Our public school system is the biggest threat to freedom that we face. Redistribution of wealth can be made to seem very attractive. A good reason to control business and people. The end product is total government control over freedom and lberty for the good of the group.

    • Popeye

      The last thing we want in a revolution, reason being is that whoever wins, looses.
      America would be so decimated that it would be ripe for takeover from an outside force seeking to control our natural resources.
      Germany would probably be that force. God often uses Germany (Assyria) to punish Israel. The US and Britain are modern day Israel.

  • Brent Theophilus

    This gives me more reason to believe I was right when I decided that Obama got his finantal start from the W.B. & I.M.F.because he is bringing the finantial collapse of America which will become world wide and he started as a poor man led by world gov. people.

  • Gary

    This is all true. We need to make sure we have everything we need to survive.

    • Hunter

      We’ll need food, water, shelter and security. Same as any other animal. However we cannot hide on a hole. Just buy lots of ammo and wait for the first “shot” of some politician to start sending the police / military to collect guns to “protect the law abiding citizens”……

      Those wishing to collect guns have been smart enough to disguise their attempts by means of registration and other slow cancerous “gun regulations”. The latest being the EPA considering a ban on all lead bullets because lead is a controlled substance. Or registering / controlling the ammunition.

      Once it starts be ready for the onslaught of rhetoric coming from the press. Those resisting gun confiscation will be labeled criminals…rebels….terrorists.

      If / when the shooting starts, the second civil war will have begun. This one over freedom, much like the revolution was, but between neighbors over a way of life.

      The founders knew this was coming……

      Are you ready or still hoping that 401k will provide security???

      • JC

        I’ll take the AK47 over the 401K Thanks. :)

      • Robert Smith

        Remember, Bush wanted to privatize social security. There would be a short uptick as many buy into the stock market, and then the greed folks will cash out leaving NOTHING for folks to retire on.

        Yup, do you trust your retirement to big business like Enron?

        Rob

  • http://http/aol.com john littlefield

    we the people are a force to reckon with.

  • Tom

    This is exactly why they are trying to disarm the populus. The rich can control the people, only if the people are disarmed. the very FIRST thing Hitler did was to ban all guns in germany. As long as Americans have guns, they, the ruling class, will have a hell of a time keeping some of us in check.

    • Hunter

      Tom,
      “….some of us…..” Divide and concur. They have a good percentage of the populace convinced and ready to disarm the rest of us. Neighbor against neighbor. Not a direct war that they would lose.

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Tom,

      Actually Hitler didn’t do that at all. For the GENERAL population he lightened the restrictions.

      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control: “… they [Weimer Republic] proceeded to implement gun control laws to disarm the population and wipe out the opposition, and genocide of disarmed Jews, gypsies, and other undesirables followed.[81][82][83] Historians have pointed out that already the democratic Weimar Republic had restrictive gun laws, which were actually liberalised by the Nazis. According to the Weimar Republic 1928 Law on Firearms & Ammunition, firearms acquisition or carrying permits were “only to be granted to persons of undoubted reliability, and — in the case of a firearms carry permit — only if a demonstration of need is set forth.” The Nazis replaced this law with the Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, which was very similar in structure and wording, but relaxed gun control requirements for the general populace. The relaxation included, for example, the exemption from regulation of all weapons and ammunition except handguns, the extension of the range of persons exempt from the permit requirement, and the lowering of the age for acquisition of firearms from 20 to 18. It did, however, prohibit manufacturing of firearms and ammunition by Jews.[84] Shortly thereafter, in the additional Regulations Against Jew’s Possession of Weapons of November 11, 1938, Jews were forbidden from possession of any weapons at all.[83][84]”

      BTW, the Allies implemented gun control in Germany that lasted until 1956.

      So, although Hitler did implement some gun control laws they were targeted against very specific Germanns later in his efforts. There are many reasons to fight gun control, but using a lie about Hitler to support the effort is just dumb because in the overall context it is wrong.

      There are lots of good reasons to fight gun control. But, even with those reasons the best way to fight gun control is not to impose one’s views about gun control while at the same time deny others what they feel are THEIR rights in abortion issues, recreational drugs, etc.

      IOW, respect ALL the rights of free Americans, and don’t cherry pick just the ones that apply to you.

      Rob

      • DaveH

        Then you vote Libertarian, Robert?

      • Robert Smith

        I want NOTHING to do with the Libritarian party. Lyndon Laroach destroyed their credibility. Since they got Bob Barr to be their candidate they lost me completely with little hope of me ever considering them again.

        Rob

      • TIME

        Robert,

        The facts are to be able to own a gun in Nazi Germany if you translated what you stated properly than you would have better understood what was written.

        {If one was to be able to “prove an Unbroken PURE ARYAN BLOOD line ONLY.”}
        As well that one had no political leanings other than to the “NSDAP,” and in fact if you were not a “Party Member” even if you had 100% PURE Unbroken ARYAN Blood lines, {you could not own a gun.}
        ((In plain words you had to be a member of the NAZI PARTY.))

        As well not unlike the English laws where you could own a Hunting gun sure ~ But “it must be kept at the Hunting Club / Lodge” these same laws are also part of the alledged “NAZI Liberal laws” you noted.

        I do understand that most can’t read German, nor make sense of it to translate into Elglish, thus why German Humor just fails on Americans.
        So I as well I am sure others will over look your posting intel thats totaly flawed.

      • Robert Smith

        ROFL…

        “So I as well I am sure others will over look your posting intel thats totaly flawed.”

        Hitler still didn’t ban guns as the first thing he did, as is claimed by so many hysterical gun supporters.

        Rob

      • JC

        No such thing as a hyserical gun supporter. defending ourselves against criminals and tyrants is one of the underpinnings of American society. We leave the hysterics to the effeminate liberal left.

      • Robert Smith

        Awwww JC: “No such thing as a hyserical gun supporter.”

        Really.

        Rob

      • Bruce D.

        Robert I enjoyed your article. If Hiltler cherry picked those who could own guns and who couldn’t that would be the worst kind of gun control you could have. Lessen the control on those who suport you and increase it on those who do not. Abortion is considered murder by many and they believe choosing murder is not a right. It can be considered government sanction murder for some. It is not an open and shut case as you suggest. Drugs can be considered a crime against ones own nature and maybe should not to be regulaed by government. One who seeks pleasure by the disorientation of consciousness can have a strong negative effect on society, if dependant on the drug for survival. That disoprientation can carry over into every aspect of their life. I have changed my thinking many times on this. It bothers me to make it a crime and it bothers me to legalize it. Now I am thinking it should be decrimilized and impose a $5,000 fine to counter the damage drugs to society as a whole. I understand the viewpoint of legalizing it. I would agree if we got rid of all welfare and social programs which tend to increase with ones dependantcy on drugs, both legal and illegal. Until then we all bare the burden of a druged populace.

      • Bruce D.

        The redistribution of wealth can also be considered government sanctioned theft. Because government and many people sanction theft and murder in our society it can be considered a right, but it is also the right of others to protest it. Freedom of speech and protest should not be cherry picked either as it is one of our basic freedoms.

      • Robert Smith

        From Bruce: “If Hiltler cherry picked those who could own guns and who couldn’t that would be the worst kind of gun control you could have.”

        Absolutely I agree. However, gun control wasn’t the first thing he did as is claimed by some loud and wrong pro-gun yappers. It was later that gun control came in.

        “Lessen the control on those who suport you and increase it on those who do not.”

        Sounds kinda selfish to me. Rather the politics of divide why don’t we all unite (as in UNITED STATES of America)? Respect the freedom for all.

        “Abortion is considered murder by many and they believe choosing murder is not a right.”

        Yup, sigh… They think THEIR beliefs are better than others. It’s a common tactics (red meat issues) used by leaders to whip up hysteria. Another read meat issue is the gun control issue.

        “It can be considered government sanction murder for some.”

        I consider anti-abortion efforts as an invasion of the most personal issues and her body inflicted upon women.

        “It is not an open and shut case as you suggest.”

        Sure is. Folks can not have as many abortions as THEY don’t want as individuals who have chosen a particular faith. DO NOT inflict your faith upon others. It’s that simple.

        ” Drugs can be considered a crime against ones own nature and maybe should not to be regulaed by government.”

        No “maybe” about it. All prohibition has gotten us is organized crime. Drugs were legal in most places for most of time until recently. Not everyone was an addict and I haven’t seen any records from the past of large populations being addicted (except for the opium war).

        ” One who seeks pleasure by the disorientation of consciousness can have a strong negative effect on society,”

        Why? Somkers of tobacco are bad for society. Alcoholics are bad for society. Do you realize that most of the people who made history had a buzz on? They were the ones who could afford wine and beer that wasn’t contaminated with all sorts of evil sickness of the water.

        “That disoprientation can carry over into every aspect of their life.”

        So does religion for many. Didn’t do much good for the folks of Jonestown.

        “I have changed my thinking many times on this. It bothers me to make it a crime and it bothers me to legalize it.”

        Maybe this will help.

        If you have a junkie and pot is illegal he will break into your car to get your radio to sell it. You have to pay at least the deductable. He will eventually be arrested, tried, and convicted. YOU pay for the police, judges, and lawyers on both sides. He will go to jail. You have to pay for guards, all the food he eats, and his health care. You also get to pay for him when he gets out of jail because being a convict doesn’t lead to very good jobs. He won’t be producing, etc.

        On the other hand, If pot is cheap like alcohol is he gets stoned. Guaranteed it should be illegal to drive under the influence of either. But he gets stoned, goes to work the next day without a hangover, stays out of jail, etc. Which is LESS expensive for you and all the rest of us?

        “Now I am thinking it should be decrimilized and impose a $5,000 fine to counter the damage drugs to society as a whole.”

        Legal pot will do less damage than alcohol. MA has a fine of $100 if one gets caught with a personal stash (up to some amount).

        I understand the viewpoint of legalizing it. I would agree if we got rid of all welfare and social programs which tend to increase with ones dependantcy on drugs, both legal and illegal.”

        Actually it’s those who have been convicted of minor drug offenses and go to jail who are the ones who can’t get the job and have to go on welfare.

        “Until then we all bare the burden of a druged populace.”

        We have a precident for legal drugs. We sure do. America didn’t have anti-drug laws until the very late 1800s and early 1900s. Were drugs much of a factor in society before they were illegal? Do you have any historical citations? The fact that it wasn’t mentioned much means it wasn’t much of a problem.

        Rob

      • Bruce D.

        While I do not agree with your answer Robert Smith I am amazed with the care and thoroughness in which you disect it. Good job in your effort.

  • Teresa

    Very Good article…but what the Elite fail to realize is this…although “we the people” may be on the brink of collapse, “WE” are still a force to be reckoned with. Where may I ask do the Elite think their money will hide them? Do they think All the money in the world will protect them? You see this is not all about money any more…this is about the end of the US as we know it, and “we the people” WILL stand together in GOD’S name! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Angel Wannabe

      Amen Teresa and Jeffh!

    • Robert Smith

      From Teresa: “this is about the end of the US as we know it, and “we the people” WILL stand together in GOD’S name!”

      Why s your god letting this happen?

      If he is “all powerful” how’s come his followers are always asking for money?

      Rob

      • Pierre

        Dear Bob,
        You lack a little bit of knowledge about “our” God (Who is YOUR creator as well, by the way!), as I did before… Nobody has ever been created by Him to be His puppets, but FREE. On the other hands, too many humans around the world are puppets to some other humans, or so called ideals, or religions, or policians, or whatever you want…

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Pierre,

        You declared when I asked why he doesn’t step in BEFORE the horror: “You lack a little bit of knowledge about “our” God”

        That’s why I ASKED: If he is so powerful why does he let so much bad stuff happen to so many?

        Asking again: “(Who is YOUR creator as well, by the way!)”

        NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. I’m not trying to impose my religion upon anyone. One particular part of that is that I don’t want anyone to follow the same path I’m on because I’m on it, and I don’t want anyone to avoid the path I’m on because I’m on it. Each person should decide what they want to do with with faith, spirituality, and religion as they will, and that each will not impose their path upon others.

        Pierre again: “Nobody has ever been created by Him to be His puppets, but FREE.”

        If that’s what people want to do, that’s OK with me, as long as nobody else is involuntarily brought on board.

        “On the other hands, too many humans around the world are puppets to some other humans,”

        Bush, Falwell, Bakker, Rush, Savage, and so on.

        Rob

      • Richard Pawley

        God has given us free will and the commandments to live by. Additionally there are principles of the Universe that were given by God to His prophets. These are like gravity, they work whether you believe in them or not, such as “Give and it shall be given unto you.” Always puzzled me how some obvious evil men were so successful but then I discovered they were generous (with other peoples money – like socialist governments) but they could have kept it for themselves. Eventually because they violated other commandments, like ‘Thou shall not kill’ and ‘Thou shall not lie’ they paid the penalty and forfeited their lives. People who don’t know God and don’t even know that God is knowable dismiss the Bible. That is why I believe that God had the Hebrew Bible encoded with things that deal in mathematical probability and historical fact and this was only discovered in the last two decades. Many who hate God and want to be their own gods dismiss The Bible Code as well but while it isn’t necessary for Christians or Jews to believe in it I believe that it was set forth to reach those people who are hooked on something less than “the truth that sets men free”. The history of the world, some of which hasn’t happened yet, is encoded in the Hebrew Bible. Those who hate God and oppose him pretend that the software works in other books too but it’s value is close to meaningless in other books. Only in the Bible does it make sense. God hates no one but He is just and righteous. Foolishness like Gay Marriage and downright evils like 50,000,000 pre-born babies killed in the last 37 years are not something God winks at. As I said elsewhere, God let his Chosen People, be led into captivity for 80 years in Babylon in ancient times but He did not abandon them. He will not abandon us either because He loves us but He may have to teach us a hard lesson or two about justice and what use to be called “The American Way”. To much to teach in one email but if you really are interested in truth keep seeking it and it wouldn’t hurt to pray and ask for wisdom, because the time is coming when every knee will bow, and no atheist lawyer from the ACLU or Marxist politician will be able to do anything about that at the time but shake in terror. Even St. Paul cryptically mentions that he knew a man once who was taken up to the third Heaven (so we know there are two more than the one we think of when we hear the word). That doesn’t fit in with most churches theology so you won’t hear any sermons on that except to dismiss it but the Bible also says, let a curse be on anyone who adds or subtracts a single word, and one reason is that the Bible Code would be thrown off if things were added or subtracted. Some believe that God is going to have to punish the people of the United States but it will be the punishment of a loving father and perhaps when we discover that all our materialism is just a sham as in the bumper sticker that says, “He who dies with the most toys wins”. God is God, He is not a man that He changes His mind. He will never violate anything that He has given us in the Bible but it may not always be the way we were taught. “Seek Me with all you heart,” He said once through one of His prophets, “and you will find me, and I will give you the desires of your heart,” but of course, that doesn’t mean by next Tuesday.

      • S.C.Murf

        You have told HIM to get out of your life and HE has. So now you are left with satan and the evil that he does. Enjoy your life here on earth while it lasts and your short stay in the lake of fire. I will see you at the glass wall and stand in witness against you.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “You have told HIM to get out of your life and HE has. So now you are left with satan and the evil that he does. ”

        I don’t believe in your satan either. He’s part of that christian god thing.

        Rob

      • DAVE SODEN

        GOD HAS GIVEN PEOPLE THE FREE WILL TO DO WHATEVER THEY WISH.WHENWE PASS FROM LIFE UNTO DEATH IS WHEN WE ALL WILL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT WE HAVE DONE,AND THEN THE JUDGEMENT!!!

      • BrotherPatriot

        ^^ Yup ^^

        Also, those who think that there is no afterlife…that there is no “accountability” after you pass from this earth are in for as rude an awakening as the rest of the dissillusioned spreaders of evil on this earth are in for….such as the bankers and all the rest of the organizations attached to them. I pity them all for their short sightedness and those that are abused by their great wealth and influenece. All the false wars down through history…all the families destroyed by their lies and deceit…all the damage that has been done directly & indirectly to each and every one of us. I can but shake my head at what has been lost to humanity by these short sighted, greedy and corrupt “leaders” of our world.

        A prayer:
        Thank you God for this life and though the trials are difficult, many of us are here to serve you and struggle on. Many of us are awakening to the great deception and beginning to try & unravel the damage that has been done. God bless each and everyone of us & please try and help the misguided find their path back to what is good,holy & proper.

        Amen.

      • Shibamom

        Thank you so much for the prayer BrotherPatriot. I can’t describe the depression I feel when I think about all the lies, corruption, and outright theft. I was overwhelmed when I thought it was just my fellow citizens that were out to rip me off but…OMG…now my government! It’s almost too much to take in. It took a really, really long for me to finally get it through my thick head that my government, the one I served in the military for 27 years, is really trying to screw me and all my fellow Americans with the intent of destroying our country. I was in such denial…much like many of our countrymen/women who still are denying it. Every once in awhile the thought comes into my mind “well, it was certainly fun while it lasted” and an immense sadness washes through me.

      • Richard Pawley

        TO SHIBAMON: Edgar Cayce once said that thoughts are “things” so don’t let any thoughts of chaos or the end of the United States “as we know it” depress you. God is still in charge. Nothing happens that He is unaware of and sometimes he has to shake people or nations to get their attention. His chosen people were once led into captivity in Babylon for 80 years. God didn’t abandon them but they needed to learn a lesson. He told them not to sacrifice their children to the false God Baal, and yet some burned their children on his altar. In the last 37 years here in the United States some have sacrificed 50,000,000 children on the altars of the god of Hedonism and some of these abortions were “burnings”. In any event God is not amused. The sins of those in the United States are many but God is a loving God and a forgiving God and He will only allow us to experience what is necessary to turn us away from what will ultimately destroy us. Nations come and nations go and that is merely history but life continues, and few of us live to be more than 110 or so don’t be concerned. Concentrate on the practical. Hopefully you don’t live in a big city as even the government expects riots there when the dollar is greatly weakened and stores run out of food (just for a few weeks) but when they are re-supplied prices will be higher. Build up a good supply of non-perishable foods, plant a garden of non-GMO plants (Heirloom varieties), buy the things you will likely need the year after next when they will cost much more. Pray every day. Be sure to take a good all natural vitamin supplement like ALIVE each day. Eat better, organic meat and eggs, and less processed foods. When we are healthy it is less easy to become depressed. There is no one God loves more than He loves you but there may be those who know that more than you do, so they benefit more. God loves atheists too but He has a harder time helping them, guiding and blessing them. Don’t bother to argue with those who deny God. The Bible, which says to call no man a fool, also says, “The fool says in his heart there is no God.” It would be best to keep away from such people because their negativism can rub off. These aren’t all evil people, some are just ignorant but their future will be much different than believers who try their best to live righteously and according to the principles given us in the Bible. If you find the Bible to difficult to read just read the gospels for what Jesus said. He told a woman in England over 75 years ago that “All my followers know and love the simple rules I taught when I lived on earth as a man. Many of them would be puzzled by all the rules of your churches. In all things simply.” (from the paperback classic GOD CALLING edited by A. J. Russell). If you are going through hell, keep going, and if you don’t know that God loves you start looking for a church that believes in what is called the whole gospel. Beware of cults who claim to know it all. The God of the Bible said, “Come let us reason together.” He also said, “My people perish for lack of knowledge”. Many are going to do so and they won’t just be Americans. May God bless you.

      • http://none Charles Labianco

        David,
        The Bible says that “the truth will set you free.”
        That means that once you learn the truth, you
        will be able to make a “free choice desision for or against
        that truth”.
        That being said, here is the truth about free choice.
        Imagine yourself sitting in a spot, not having
        anything impinging on your mind or emotions. Particularly
        your emotions. You have neither pleasure nor pain motivations
        that normally would move you to action, even to thought action.
        What are you then? You are a rock. But you would then be “free from the pleasure, pain principle. You would be a useless piece of matter.
        Every thought or action is “moved” motivated toward action by pleasure or pain or a combination. The truth is you are not free
        and you never will be free. IF YOU REPLY, RESPOND TO MY ARGUMENTS WHICH ARE STATEMENTS AND THE REASONING PROCESS BETWEEN THEM AND BEHIND THEM. ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE ACTING LIKE AN ANIMAL INSTEAD OF AN INTELLIGENT HUMAN BEING.

        Sincerely yours,
        Charles Labianco

      • Bruce D.

        I am motivated by the desire to survive and be consciously aware. Plain and pleasure is only a by-product of that. It would be a desire to not survive or not survive well to have a goal of pain. Pleasure can enhance your survival if experienced without negative side effects which would then act against survival and consciousious awareness. A belief in God is the hope that there is someone out there that will enhance your survival and avoid pain which can inhibit it.

      • Robert Smith

        From Dave: “GOD HAS GIVEN PEOPLE THE FREE WILL TO DO WHATEVER THEY WISH.”

        Is that a fact? How’s come so many of his followers try to take that free will away? Maybe thwarting abortion is messing with your own god’s test of the girl, and when you take away her free will you are denying your god his test of her.

        “WHENWE PASS FROM LIFE UNTO DEATH IS WHEN WE ALL WILL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT WE HAVE DONE,AND THEN THE JUDGEMENT!!!”

        Not of me. I don’t believe in your god. And! You don’t get to punch your ticket to your version of heaven at my expense.

        Rob

      • Richard Pawley

        That you don’t believe is a bit sad but not even God will force you to believe. I can understand some of His followers going overboard in this department but that is because they are relatively new Christians. Jesus once told a woman in England that sometimes there were no words that could be said that would help. Sometimes all one could do was love the other person, and if we loved them, they would be helped. I don’t know about you but I need all the help I can get (and then I can help others). I read once that there are people who die and are no longer here but they still reject the idea of God. Those I believe are the true lost souls. God rejects no one but we reject him by out attitudes and our behavior.

      • home boy

        because he wants his sovernty and you refuse to acknowledge that he is the true creator and there are now other gods . by the way his name is YEHWEH in english it means JEHOVAH. DO SOME READING FOR A CHANGE AND MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING . stop complaining and learn the truth that the bible teaches.

      • Teresa

        Dear Robert: GOD IS ALL POWERFUL…AND DID YOU EVER STOP TO THINK THAT WE ARE THE ONES ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN NOT GOD! GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS BUT SO DOES THE DEVIL! WAKE UP!

      • JC

        Yet another question from yet another communist that is just too stupid to answer.

      • JeffH

        Robert Smith, you and your ilk, like any Marxist, will always challenge Christianity.

      • Dave in SoCal

        Rob,
        Your question is very common and natural. My response to this question is, “If we understood everything about our God then we would be a god. Since we are not a god we are not going to be able to understand everything God does.” Have you asked yourself, “Why does God let the good things in my life happen?” Probably not because we typically focus on bad stuff. Bottom-line: For those of you who are not convinced there is a God but are mathematically inclined ask your self, “What is the mathematical probability that life spontaneously started from inert material let alone evolved (a series of genetic accidents) into a human being with all of the interwoven systems such as an eyeball, a circulatory system, a temperature regulating system and oh yah … a brain.” How does that happen by accident??? Simple or not simple. We were created by our God for reasons described in the Bible.

      • Robert Smith

        Dave asks: ” “What is the mathematical probability that life spontaneously started from inert material let alone evolved (a series of genetic accidents)”

        100% The fact is that there is evidence all over the world that supports such. That to me is far better than the concept of “have faith and you will see.”

        ” into a human being with all of the interwoven systems such as an eyeball, a circulatory system, a temperature regulating system and oh yah … a brain.”

        The answers you seek are in “Your Inner Fish.”

        I found it here: http://tiktaalik.uchicago.edu/book.html But, you can finde it lots of places like Amazon and your local library.

        Your Inner Fish: A journey into the 3.5-Billion-Year History of the Human Body
        by Neil Shubin

        Why do we look the way we do? What does the human hand have in common with the wing of a fly? Are breasts, sweat glands, and scales connected in some way? To better understand the inner workings of our bodies and to trace the origins of many of today’s most common diseases, we have to turn to unexpected sources: worms, flies, and even fish.

        In Your Inner Fish, Neil Shubin tells the story of evolution by tracing the organs of the human body back millions of years, long before the first creatures walked the earth. By examining fossils and DNA, Shubin shows us that our hands actually resemble fish fins, our head is organized like that of a long-extinct jawless fish, and major parts of our genome look and function like those of worms and bacteria.

      • Richard Pawley

        But this book you speak of is about the human body, not the Human Spirit and not even the soul (they are not the same). I have no problem with evolution. Many Christians believe in it and many don’t but evolution is something that only takes place in the physical realm. Jesus told a woman in England more than 75 years ago that her entire life was but “a parenthesis in a sentence in a paragraph on the page of the book of her life. Birth opens the parenthesis, death closes it, then back to real life history…” He told her to remember that when she was going through times of pain or suffering or failure, or even times of success and joy, that is was all just a parenthesis (from the classic Christian paperback, GOD CALLING edited by A. J. Russell)

      • Robert Smith

        From Richard: “But this book you speak of is about the human body, not the Human Spirit and not even the soul (they are not the same). ”

        If you want to see a way that society and human spirit could have formed you can check out a book called “Catching Fire” at: http://www.amazon.com/Catching-Fire-Cooking-Made-Human/dp/0465013627

        Rob

      • S.C.Murf

        RS or BS which ever it may be, you may have came from fish, but as for me and mine we came from woman. Your disbelief in God does not change the fact in the least that HE is. It only means that you are lost and when you are done here on earth you are done for ever, now there is a happy thought!

      • Richard Pawley

        PS. Robert, don’t look at those who claim to follow God for many say that but look to the word of Jesus which you can read in the gospels and you will see why he is still the most influential person who ever lived. Jesus even said that there would be people who had such faith that they would work miracles but their heart was not right so they would not be going to any of the three heavens mentioned by St. Paul. Some would be surprised to learn that there are African Christians who are sending missionaries to the United States because in their eyes we have become a mission field filled with pagans and other non-believers. When you meet someone who really knows Jesus and has grown in His love and wisdom you will know it.

      • Robert Smith

        From Richard: ” African Christians who are sending missionaries to the United States because in their eyes we have become a mission field filled with pagans and other non-believers. ”

        Pagans have their beliefs, just not in christanity.
        Hindus have their beliefs, just not in christanity.
        Bahai have their beliefs, just not in christanity.
        Budists have their beliefs, just not in christanity.

        Each and all offer peace.

        Rob

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I dont know where you go to church, but the leaders of my church, God’s followers, they dont have to ask me for my money. I gladly give my tithe, as my God has spoken to me and told me to do this, and that was before I ever stepped foot into the church I attend now. You see, if your not going to put your money where your mouth is, your not believing in what your saying very much. And there is only one place in the Bible where God says “Test Me”, and that is in Malachi, where He beckons us to “bring the whole tithe into the storehouse”. I used to worry about money, and live wondering how I was going to make ends meet, until I gave over my money worries to Him, you know, the One that provides it all. Once I learned to “Give God what is God’s, and Caesar what is Caesar’s”, I havent had to worry or think about money since then, and that was 12 years ago. Its not my money, its His. Its all His. And those of us who attend church, we realize we are the church, not the building we worship in. That isnt a church. That is just a building. But still, like anything else, that building needs paid for. It needs upkeep. It needs the electric bill paid, the water bill paid, etc, etc. Where do you suppose that money is going to come from sir, if not from the people that attend service there? If you expect God to just parachute some in, your definitely reading a different Bible that I am. And sir, seriously, money is pretty darn important to God. You see, if you would read your Bible, and invite God into your life, and let Him open your eyes and ears, you would come to know, that money is mentioned in the Bible more than Love is. And I dont think I need to tell you how important Love is to God, because that He displayed the ultimate gift of Love to us, by taking the nails for us on the cross. So dont attack sir, not when your not knowledgable of the facts. Thank you.

    • MR MYTH

      Teresa, I understand what you are saying, in mass we are powerful. But two things…we’ve grown weak as a people. Willing to believe and accept anything the Government tells us. (Spelled out in detail above)

      The militarization of OUR police force. TO SERVE AND PROTECT…yea right! How bout TO DICTATE, HARRASS, THREATEN and PROFITEER. Haiti, a country of over 9 million people has a police force of only 1500. New York City alone,7 million, has an ARMY of police, 45,000. Well armed and dangerous. Trust me, if WE THE PEOPLE ever truly take a stand against FEAR AND TYRANNY (which is alive and well in these United States) it we be crushed before WE know what happened. WE THE PEOPLE are at the base of the totem poll. It’s suppose to be about what’s best for the people, but it isn’t. It’s about what’s best for the Government and corp. America. Meaning those at the top.

      • Teresa

        You are correct…but how many X military do we have..that DO still believe in God and Country. How many ARE still in the military that when it comes down to THEIR family and THEIR neighbors will stand and fight for whats right? Yes mass is a force, but God is OUR mass force! They are trying to divide the laws, break our religion, break US period! Stay with your convictions, your beliefs, your faith! For when it’s all said and done, which do you choose, material things or your soul?..People will cry..yea but hes not real, hes not here…..I always reply…But what if he is? What will you do when you realize he is here and your judgement day is upon you? Is it worth the risk of your soul? Satan and his army is running strong on this world now and we have to have all our strength and guidance from our Father!

      • MR MYTH

        Alot of our X military are now cops, unyielding and bent on doing exactly as they are told. They don’t question the Constitutionality of orders or rather or not they’re vilating someones rights. They just act on orders. Coming from an ex Marine. Not to say all cops are bad, they’re not, but the number is way to high.

      • Teresa

        Yes, well my family is FULL of former military…and THEY ALL know where their loyality lies…God & Country! And my father..Marine!

      • Dave in SoCal

        They are all sworn to up-hold the Constitution. When it becomes apparent that the Constitution is being up-held like our free speech, right to bear arms and un-lawful search and seizure become recognizable I believe the majority will support freedom.

      • Bruce D.

        You make a good point Mr. Myth. Not everyone in the military has a stong upbringing of what is right or what the Constitution says. It is not taught in schools so if you do not get the training at home you do not get it. Many young people are confused and disoriented. They seek guidance, training, and disipline in the military. They trust that those above them are doing the right thing. Whether that person or the people above them are doing the right thing depends on the individual.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I know many in our military, and I do not believe for a second if Obama or some jerk like him told them to turn on the population, that they would do it. Not for a second. They would stand with the people.

      • Bruce D.

        Mr. Myth I agree about the police state. Go to countries where there is not a lot of money for police and people have a lot more freedom in their daily lives. Most people are trying to earn money and support their family. Police in America have become to a large extent tax collectors. They look for violations of code that can bring money to the state. Rarely are they in neighborhoods looking to prevent crime or bodily harm. They only come to file the report after the crime has been committed.

    • JeffH

      Professor Gustav Cassel wrote in 1928:
      “The American dollar, not the gold standard, is the world’s monetary standard. The American Federal Reserve Board has the power to determine the purchasing power of the dollar by making changes in the rate of discount, and thus controls the monetary standard of the world.”
      In “FDR, My Exploited Father-in-Law”, Col. Curtis B. Dall, who was a broker on Wall Street at that time, writes of the Crash, “Actually it was the calculated ‘shearing’ of the public by the World Money-Powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of the supply of call money in the New York money market.” Overnight, the Federal Reserve System had raised the call rate to twenty percent. Unable to meet this rate, the speculators’ only alternative was to jump out of windows.
      The New York Federal Reserve Bank rate, which dictated the national interest rate, went to six percent on November 1, 1929. After the investors had been bankrupted, it dropped to one and one-half percent on May 8, 1931. Congressman Wright Patman in “A Primer On Money”, says that the money supply decreased by eight billion dollars from 1929 to 1933, causing 11,630 banks of the total of 26, 401 in the United States to go bankrupt and close their doors.

      The Federal Reserve Board had already warned the stockholders of the Federal Reserve Banks to get out of the Market, on February 6, 1929, but it had not bothered to say anything to the rest of the people. Nobody knew what was going on except the Wall Street bankers who were running the show.

      Not only was the Federal Reserve System responsible for the First World War, which it made possible by enabling the United States to finance the Allies, but its policies brought on the world-wide depression of 1929-31. Governor Adolph C. Miller stated at the Senate Investigation of the Federal Reserve Board in 1931 that:
      “If we had had no Federal Reserve System, I do not think we would have had as bad a speculative situation as we had, to begin with.”

      Both J. P Morgan and Kuhn, Loeb Co. had “preferred lists” of men whom they sent advance announcements of profitable stocks… The men on these lists were fellow bankers, prominent industrialists, powerful city politicians, national Committeemen of the Republican and Democratic Parties, and rulers of foreign countries. The men on these lists were notified of the coming crash, and sold all but so-called gilt-edged stocks, General Motors, Dupont, etc. The prices on these stocks also sank to record lows, but they came up soon afterwards. How the big bankers operated in 1929 is revealed by a Newsweek story on May 30, 1936, when a Roosevelt appointee, Ralph W. Morrison, resigned from the Federal Reserve Board:
      “The consensus of opinion is that the Federal Reserve Board has lost an able man. He sold his Texas utilities stock to Insull for ten million dollars, and in 1929 called a meeting and ordered his banks to close out all security loans by September 1. As a result, they rode through the depression with flying colors?’
      Predictably enough, all of the big bankers rode through the depression “with flying colors:’ The people who suffered were the workers and farmers who had invested their money in get-rich stocks, after the President of the United States, Calvin Coolidge, and the Secretary of the Treasury, Andrew Mellon, had persuaded them to do it.

      What had caused the [1929] crash? The people had purchased stocks at high prices and expected the prices to continue to rise. The prices had to come down, and they did. It was obvious to the economists and bankers gathered over their brandy and cigars at the Hotel Astor that the people were at fault. Certainly the people had made a mistake in buying overpriced securities, but they had been talked into it by every leading citizen from the President of the United States on down. Every magazine of national circulation, every big newspaper, and every prominent banker, economist, and politician, had joined in the big confidence game of urging people to buy those over-priced securities. When the Federal Reserve Bank of New York raised its rate to six percent, in August 1929, people began to get out of the market, and it turned into a panic which drove the prices of securities down far below their natural levels. As in previous panics, this enabled both Wall Street and foreign operators in the know to pick up “blue-chip” gilt-edged” securities for a fraction of their real value.

      The New York Times reported on April 7, 1931, “Montagu Norman, Governor of the Bank of England, conferred with the Federal Reserve Board here today. Mellon, Meyer, and George L. Harrison, Governor o the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, were present”.
      The London Connection had sent Norman over this time to ensure that the Great Depression was proceeding according to schedule. Congressman Louis McFadden had complained, as reported in The New York Times, July 4, 1930, “Commodity prices are being reduced to 1913 levels. Wages are being reduced by the labor surplus of four million unemployed. The Morgan control of the Federal Reserve System is exercised through control of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the mediocre representation and acquiescence of the Federal Reserve Board in Washington?’ As the depression deepened, the trust’s lock on the American economy strengthened, but no finger was pointed at the parties who were trolling the system.
      http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Banks/London_Connection_TSOTFR.html

      • Dave in SoCal

        It has been said that a Central Bank in the United States is a greater threat to our soverignty than a large invading foreign army

      • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

        Dave in SoCal,
        You are pretty close on the quote of T. Jefferson. And this is really the case.
        We are living under the terrorism of the Federal Reserve System as well as the terrorism of the Islamic Nation with their Shariah Law.
        There isn’t much we can do about the Shariah Law but we certainly change the Federal Reserve.
        Ron Paul has year afer year been attempting to audit the Fed with no luck. Not that I think this is the solution to our problem. But let me suggest something quite different.
        The Federal Reserve System is really a very good and balanced financial solution to the monetary problems of the U.S., with one exception, and that is “it’s ownership”.
        The Federal Reserve is a privately owned corporation. As such it is in business “as a for profit entity”, jsut like all corporations. If you doubt this look it up and try to find out the stockholders of the Federal Reserve, it is secret and not available, period.
        Here is my solution. Obama hijacked General Motors and Chrysler and bestowed part ownership of both corporations on the Unions.
        As soon as we have a Republican administration we should nationalize the Federal Reserve System exactly as it is, do not drop any of it’s functions or banking structure. Just remove the private corporate ownership and make it part of the Treasury of the United States.
        Once the Federal Reserve System is the United States Federal Reserve System all profits from it will acrue into the Treasury of the U.S. and help settle our national debt instead of enriching the World Banking Cartel.
        Hell we could put Ron Paul in as the Head of the Federal Reserve so he could audit it constantly. That would sure make him happy.
        The existing Federal Reserve has manipulated our money supply and driven every resession and depression since the adoption of the system in 1913.
        Go back in history and see who gave us the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Income Tax. His claim was that both of these issues would control the big money interests of the nation. Of course he was lying on both counts. He was a politician but he was not the President.
        Think about it. Nationalize the Federal Reserve then we the people will be in charge of our own money supply, it will be under the Congress of the U.S. as part of the U.S. Treasury.

      • BrotherPatriot

        Interesting thought. Definitely sumtin has to happen…

      • JC

        On the Federal Reserve and Quantitative Easing…
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k&feature=share

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest e.poet

        Al,
        Wait a minute here, we ARE talking about the SAME U.S. Congress who gave us Social Security because we are simply not intelligent enough to provide for ourselves in our retirement, and or old age, so they “intervened” on our behalf, and proceeded to raid the kitty for absolutely anything and everything their pea’picken little hearts desired for the last 50+ years? Oh, I surely would just love to trust THEM, as they have so admirably shown their trustworthiness. Wasn’t it Demosthenes who was searching for an HONEST MAN? Maybe all Americans need to light lamps and search the country far and wide. The Federal Reserve is a bloody nightmare, but our congressmen don’t lag far behind. Outside of G-d coming to the planet in the flesh, and taking on the job of overseeing the printing and valuation of our money, I can’t imagine who we can possibly trust anymore. e.poet

      • e.poet

        Al, Oops…I goofed badly!. It was not Demosthenes, but DIOGENES, who was “Searching for an HONEST MAN”. My screw up. However, what was true then, remains true now. Trouble is…Were we able to find an honest man, what do we do when the pass on? Who will provide us with the NEXT honest man. It seems to be the history of man, we just keep breaking down in corruption!

      • Bruce D.

        Really it is a damn shame. Unfortunately there has always been people throughout history that do not feel the pain of others. Their greed for money and power blinds them to basic human decentcy and values. Have you ever seen the piles and piles of cash conficated in Mexico from the druglords. It makes me think you had twenty or thirty million dollars, why didn’t you get out of the business and live your life when you had the chance. But after a while it is no longer about money. It becomes the lust for power. Nothing else matters, not even human life.

    • Born in America

      Right on – because when it comes to push and shove – you’ll see the common Christion coalition come alive

      • Bruce D.

        Maybe the Socialists or Marxists at the top of the latter are atheist but most of their followers are Christian. There are many Christians that believe in redistribution of wealth. I am talking about good people who do not see the confiscation of wealth or others hard earned money as being criminal in nature as long as it is redistributed to those less fortunate in society. Socialism could not come as far as it has in Amertica without Christian backing and support.

      • Kate8

        Bruce D. – I wonder how many Christians who believe in the redistrubution of wealth believe they will be on the receiving end of the distribution.

        It seems that people think first of their own pockets, over right and wrong, over good of nation, over freedom itself.

        It is obvious by how many people vote socialist.

      • Bruce D.

        Kate8, I was talking to a nice young devout Christian in his twenties and he was concerned about healthcare and felt Obamacare was the solution to that problem. This was not some left wing ideologue but someone who prefered the democratic party and looked to them for solutions. The Republicans missed a big opportunity under Bush to show free market solutions to the youth. Bush set us up and now Obama is finnishing us off, or thinks he is.

  • JeffH

    18 January 1920, The New York Times wrote: “The Federal Reserve is the fount of credit, not of capital.” This meant that Reserve notes, instead of being backed by precious metal or other suitable commodity which would provide capital funds for the betterment of industry and commerce, are backed by paper loaned at interest.

    J.P Morgan and one-sixth of the total wealth of the world were represented at the Jekyll Island Club, which excluded the Rockefeller group and the Rothschilds European financiers, proceeded to draft the basic plan for the Federal Reserve System with five objectives:
    1. Stop the growing competition from the nation’s newer banks.
    2. Obtain a franchise to create money out of nothing, for the purpose of lending.
    3. Get control of the reserves of all the banks.
    4. Get the taxpayer to pick up the cartel’s inevitable losses.
    5. Convince Congress that the purpose of the FRS was to protect the public.

    Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, 1944, the first United
    Nations International Monetary Conference where the final
    agreement was hammered out for the post-war New World Order under which in due course there would be a further massive shift in power out of the hands of nation states and democratic governments and into the hands of banks and transnational corporations.

    The creation of the all-powerful International Monetary Fund, US Federal Reserve System and the World Bank have put most of the so-called Third World into extreme debt. It has been said that the WB and IMF “have arguably done more harm to more people than any other non-military institutions in history. As Jesse Jackson put it in 1993: “They no longer use bullets and ropes. They use the World Bank and the IMF.”
    Between 1982 and 1990, debtor countries paid back more than $1,300 billion but began the nineties 61 percent more in debt than they were in 1992. Sub-Saharan African debt alone increased by 113 percent.” In 1993, for every one pound given in aid, rich nations took back 3 pounds in debt payments. Nigerian writer and environmentalist, Ken Saro-Wiwa, roundly condemned the World Bank’s position: The World Bank has to accept that its real instrument of torture is its insistence on growth, its economic theorising at the expense of human welfare… The sooner debtor nations realise the political nature of the World Bank, the sooner they will be able to face the bogus economic theories of the Bank with an equivalent weapon -people’s power.

    The IMF was never designed to help the Third World or end poverty. It
    was established by the Bretton Woods conference of 1944 to restore
    economic and financial order to the Western world. There was no element of compassion for humanity in its formulation. The Fund’s aim is first and foremost to assure the interests of developed countries. We make or break human life every day of every year as probably no other force has ever done in the past or will ever do again.

    The Secret Agenda of the Global Elite’s plan following World War II:
    To introduce a world authority called the United Nations (with
    associated bodies like the World Health Organisation), which could
    evolve into a world government with powers to control the lives of
    everyone on the planet.

    To continue to cause conflicts across the world and to use the fear of the Soviet Union to massively increase spending on nuclear weapons and ‘conventional’ weapons, thus adding to the terror of nuclear war and demands for global security. To set up an American-European defence alliance (which was called the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO)) and a United Nations ‘peace’keeping force, which, through the engineering of conflicts, would eventually be fused together to form the world army.

    To create three ‘free trade’ regions in Europe, the Americas, and Asia, which would be sold to people initially as merely economic groupings. Gradually, however, these would be evolved into a centralised political unions, with one central bank and one currency. These would be stepping-stones to the introduction of the same institutions on a global scale. The European Economic Community, now the European Union, was the first of these, but the other two are now underway also.

    To advance the control of public opinion and to research and expand the understanding of how to manipulate the human psyche, individually and collectively. Today this agenda includes the microchipping of people and their permanent connection to a global computer.

    To create a welfare state while destroying alternatives to the economic system and, when the desired dependency had been achieved, to dismantle that state welfare support, so creating a vast underclass without help or hope.

    To make fantastic amounts of money in the course of realising all these ambitions via the Elite-controlled companies and banks.

    To continually add to the debt burden of people, business, and state,
    thus increasing the control exerted over them.

    The approach which was followed to hoodwink public thinking was
    painfully predictable, but highly effective: Discredit the nation state. This was laid out during the War by the German economist and refugee, Hans Heymann, who produced his Plan for Permanent Peace using funds given by… the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

    • valricoslash

      Great synopsis. I must have missed this in History and Economics class. No, wait, they never taught it. Funny how some things go when it comes to history. It changes depending on who is teaching it through carefully selected readings to guide the student to one po9nt of view. Academia is not interested in present two sides of history only the one that they support. , e.g., the spat last month over the History conference in Hawaii where the speakers were revising the causes of WW II. I would be inerested int he source material for this synopsis because it makes sense to me.

      • UncleOtto

        Are you trying to say that History is made up of 2 words;HIS-STORY? How very astute of you!!

      • http://micosoft dean munson

        Oboma has sent alot but Bush
        waste more on the war at lest
        oboma is thying to get the country
        back running agian

      • jimbo

        Dean, you can’t even spell or submit a cohesive sentence. Bush’s spending was over an 8yr period; so far in less than 2yrs, Obummer has outspent Bush 6 fold! And Bush had 9/11 and Iraq to deal with! Obummer has got to go; he is NOT trying to get America anywhere but dead…and damned if he isn’t doing a bang up job.

      • JeffH

        Why is it that a lot of the pro Obama and “blame Bush” posts are in broken english? The invasion continues, even through our PC’s.

      • Joyce from Loris

        Where are you from?

      • Randy

        Osama won the war he was trying to inflict on America. The first thing we as Americans should have done is re-build the twin towers as they were, but a bit stronger. It would be a message to the extremist that you can attack us, but we will not change for you. However we played right into their hands. We acted as if the world had come to an end, just what they wanted. We changed our laws and reduced freedom of American citizens. We acted as if we feared them. We should have re-built as if nothing happened. They made a great statement by taking down the towers. Every movie I see showing the towers I say before 9/11. Point made, they changed America.

      • Denniso

        JeffH…great treatise you posted above. Great if you’re in the 6th grade,that is. You can’t really believe half of what you write,can you? Why don’t you leave the heavy lifting of figuring out the complicated world to those who have actually been trained to do it?

        And,can’t you imagine that the internet is ‘world wide’ and most of the world does not speak english as a first language? But go ahead and show your provincial attitude and thus ignorance to all of us w/ that sort of comment about someone’s english…how’s your german,spanish,norwegian???

      • JeffH

        Denniso, you’ve forced me into it. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…BITE ME! I really don’t give a rats arse what you think about anything.

      • paul couch

        Munson
        You are an idiot.

      • JC

        Munson, a 4 year old can work out that Obama is destroyiong the country. He despises us American Infidels. And we despise him right back. :)

      • Denniso

        You guys are ‘thinking’ like 4 yr olds. Come on guys,quit following your corporate masters and doing their bidding while believing that you’re true patriots leading the charge against tyranny. You’re being duped by people who want to demolish gov’t so they can operate as they wish and pile up more money. Your corporate masters are laughing at you all the way to the bank.

      • JC

        You haven’t exactly been paying attention to what it is we’re against have you Denniso. Either that or you’re a straight up Propogandist.

      • Denniso

        Sorry that you’re too dense and too indoctrinated to understand what is really going on…pitiable,and such a waste of energy and time. Oh,that’s right,your time is worth nothing.

      • JC

        Poor Denniso, so childish.
        Why yes as a matter of fact I AM indoctinated. I am indoctrinated to the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. I am an American Patriot.
        And that’s the one thing you just can’t stand because you are a communist who’s value system does not include Americanism.

      • denniso

        J C…sorry to inform you,but it doesn’t take much thinking to know what you zealots are against. Pretty much anything that your puppet masters tell you to be against. The puppeteers are most ‘conservative’ politicians who take their orders from corporate dictates,some church leaders who are afraid of diversity,the NRA who helps the gun makers make a fortune off the fear and stupidity peddled to people like you and just regular Repub politicians winning elections by keeping you rabble stirred up. It’s all prety obvious to anyone not blinded by loyalty to one master or another.

      • denniso

        Such a fine,fuzzy and meaningless word,patriot. Because you like the constitution and bill of rights you think you’re a patriot? What about hating your president and saying he’s not your president,does that make you a patriot? Wasn’t Obama elected by the majority of citizen voters? You and your buddies here sound more like traitors when you call for revolution and armed violence against the elected gov’t. You stay silent when a poster here gives McVeigh credit for fighting the evil gov’t and murdering hundreds of little kids in their daycare,and you think your a patriot? What a freaking joke!
        None of these loudmouths echoing you,Limbaugh,Beck and Savage, are patriots…more like demented thugs.

      • Zeromonet

        Denniso, you are a fool. Many here are not corporate lap dogs but job creators unlike those in the O administration that have never worked a real job in their lives outside of politics…

      • Denniso

        Do you know,zeromind,that most politicians have had real jobs? Because many were never self employed,as I am,doesn’t mean they didn’t have real jobs,it’s just that your definition of real job is as narrow as your ‘thinking’ is.

    • Al Sieber

      Good post Jeff, lots of info, thanks.

      • HFlashman

        Yeah..he can cut and paste from wacked websites with the best of ‘em….

      • Bruce D.

        HFlashman is your Marxist belief so strong that you reject all knowledge of the force behind it. I think you are a true believer and want to preserve the slight of hand technique use to impose a sytem that few would want if they understood the outcome. Government redistribution always leads to abuse of power by government. To control abuse of power by government you have to control their access to money. Redistribution gives government unlimited power to raise money from higher taxes, borrowing, and when that runs out simply print it. Money and redistribution gives government the power to buy votes and justify more control and power over those who they are suppose to be serving. Socialism leads to the stagnation and eventually the demise society and not to its betterment.

      • Denniso

        Redistribution?? Are you alluding to the past 30 yrs with the top 5% or so of the country seeing much higher incomes while the middle class has watched their incomes stay flat w/ no real gain and the poor increasing by the millions? Is that what you’re complaining about? Or are you mad that the billionaires haven’t become trillionaires yet so we should do everything we can to work toward that goal? Surely you study and pay attention enough to have the facts to know what national incomes have done for some decades…right?

      • Bruce D.

        Denniso stop feeling sorry for yourself. If you want wealth start a business and create it. Be aware you may have to work twice as hard as you do now to make that business successful. Dividing up the money does not create more wealth for people, it leads to a stagnation in society and the creation of wealth. Stop spending so much time trying to figure out how to steal other peioples money through the confiscation of wealth and put that time into creating some of your own. Once you have a business if you want you can divide up the profits equally with your employees. That is your business. Stop trying to get government to steal money under the guise of fairness. It only leads to government power over the people and a decrease in productivity and wealth for society.

      • Vicki

        Denniso says:
        “Redistribution?? Are you alluding to the past 30 yrs with the top 5% or so of the country seeing much higher incomes while the middle class has watched their incomes stay flat w/ no real gain and the poor increasing by the millions?”

        We are objecting to the redistribution that liberals advocate. They take our wealth at (government) gunpoint and redistribute it to their friends. Most recent historical examples being Obama’s Administration.

        Redistribution of wealth to those who create/produce is the moral way. No force involved. Denniso should start his own business and create some wealth instead of always trying to take it from us.

      • JC

        So what’s your point Denniso two wrongs make a right?
        Thank you for yet another Liberal observation.

      • JC

        Hey Vicki,

        here’s how “redistribution” really works and has been working since 1913.

        Quantitative Easing Explained.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k&feature=share

      • Denniso

        I’ve been in business for 40 yrs,and I’m doing fine. Again,you rightwingers make the wrong assumption that if someone stands up for the middle class and the poor,then that person must be poor…it shows your typically shallow thinking,or lack of. It also betrays the ‘thinking’ of most conservatives,that they can’t imagine someone else defending working people because they don’t.

        Gov’t policy has always done much to affect who gets rich and what industries do well and wage levels for working people. Trade deals,war and the contracts that go along with it,tax policy, and the general health of th economy. The wealthy and big biz have the most power in controlling gov’t policy usually w/ their financial self interest in mind… working people and especially lower income workers have almost no power to change policy to their own benefit,so the wealth tends to rise to the top,as we’ve seen for 30 yrs.

        It isn’t the hand of God,or the ‘free market’ that decides these things,it’s people w/ power pulling strings connected to the power structure.

        Don’t be so naive,while being jacked around by your corporate handlers.

      • Bruce D.

        If you have a business Denniso how much do you pay your workers. Do you put your money where your mouth is. Do you divide the profits equally with them?

      • Denniso

        Who said that I have to divide the profits w/ all the workers? I’m a capitalist who belives in treating workers well and fairly and that we need a large enough gov’t to balance the power of the bi corporations and wealthy class. Got it?

        You talk,but what is it that you’ve done for a living? Let me guess…like many on here whining about big,bad gov’t,you’ve worked in gov’t or off of gov’t contracts your whole life.

      • Bruce D.

        Denniso you are way off base claiming people here work for government or off government contracts. it is possible but not likely. You are just talking for the sake of talking. The rich pay over 50% of their earnings in taxes if you include federal, state, and local. It is very similar to stealing to ask them to pay more. More than likely few on this site are rich but object to it on principle because they do not like government theft. On the other hand you do like government theft. You act like it is your right to take their money. It becomes a problem for freedom loving people when the government has access to too much money. They buy votes with it to increase their power and control over the citizens. Lower the amount of taxes they collect and you strip them of their power to control.

      • Vicki

        Denniso writes:
        “I’m a capitalist who belives in treating workers well and fairly and that we need a large enough gov’t to balance the power of the bi corporations and wealthy class. Got it?”

        So it IS all about class envy. Well your other opinions including wanting a big corporation to come in at gunpoint and enforce YOUR idea of well and fairly on corporations to big to be forced by you directly, show that you maybe many things but capitalist is not one of them.
        Socialist maybe.

      • Bruce D.

        Denniso I started to think about you accusing people here of working for government. You are not being honest with yourself or anyone else. It is you and your Obama people who want big government and the expansion of government jobs. The Stimulus was all about government payouts and contracts and creating government jobs. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you believe in what you are saying you should not have to talk out of both sides of your mouth to defend it. When you get to the point where you cannot defend your position anymore do not go to the double talk. Just give it up and learn from the experience.

      • denniso

        You won’t tell us what you do/did for a living? I’m not ‘accusing’ people of working for the gov’t,I’m accusing them of hypocrisy when they work for a gov’t entity or get gov’t contracts and then complain about the big,bad gov’t. It’s typically true of many whiners about the gov’t,is it true of you too? Why don’t you answer the question?

      • denniso

        Bruce D…you mentioned above that the rich pay 50% of their income in taxes…not true. But,you should know that a single lower and middle income worker does pay about 50% in all taxes and more when you toss in health insurance. You should also know that the wealthy hire pricey tax accountants who find ways to avoid taxes…one obvious way is that they can give money to charities of their choice to cut their tax liability. There are plenty of loopholes that help them in other ways. The Rich can also live in a multi million $ house and deduct the mortgage payment off their gross income. Most lower and many middle income people can’t afford a high enough mortgage to be able to deduct it.

        Your sympathy for the poor rich is touching,but just a little misguided…though I’m sure they will appreciate your standing up for them in their tough struggles to make it in the world.

      • Bruce D.

        Denniso I am by trade a carpenter as was my father. I read over your last two answers and feel you are only a spin artist with your facts. You along with the left should stop lusting after other peoples’ money. To do that you would have to find happiness within your own person. You believe in expanding government and I believe in contracting it to limit its power. Socialists have no problem with government in their face so they choose government handouts over original intent of Constitutional restricting government power.

      • Denniso

        Bruce D…I’m also a carpenter and builder,as well as an architect/engineer. I would guess that you have worked on gov’t jobs in your career. Where you get the idea that I and other liberals want a ‘bigger’ gov’t is beyond me. Where have i ever said that I want a larger gov’t than we now have? Nowhere! What I and others believe is that we need a gov’t large enough to balance the power that large international corporation have and that they often use against the working people and the environment…what do you think BP would have done if our gov’t hadn’t had the clout to force them to pay out billions to damaged people and businesses in the Gulf this past summer? Do you think they would even have worked to stop the leak once it became clear that it would cost them a fortune? No…We want a gov’t large enough to be able to provide a reasonable level of national defense,state and local police protection,fire depts and keep up our road system,w/o which our economy would really grind to a halt.

        All you have to do is read some history of the 1800′s and early 1900′s to see what happens w/o a gov’t that is big enough to fight for people,workers, and the environment that we depend on.

        Most liberals/progressives don’t want a gov’t any larger than it has to be to accomplish things that private biz can’t or won’t do,or to remedy what big biz messes up.

        ‘Conservatives’ are always screaming that they want smaller gov’t,yet seldom specify what they think we can do w/o,and never come up w/ a definition of what ‘smaller’ means. Smaller than what? Smaller than the gov’t that Reagan grew larger and the one that doubled the debt in 8 yrs of Bush?? Smaller than Bush’s medicare drug plan that will cost a measely trillion $$? Why don’t you people ever condemn those big gov’t programs that are pushed by Repubs?

        Now, I just spent 15 mins on this,but I expect you’ll ignore it like most Repubs do, but how about you break w/ that typical pattern and address my comment in some detail,rather than just spouting cliches and not addressing specifics?

      • Bruce D.

        Denniso I have never worked on a government project and I have no idea why you draw that conclusion as everything I say supports lower taxes and smaller government. I just don’t get it. BP would have paid out if Obama was not involved as the courts would have settled it as they did in the Alaska spillage. Obama was just grandstanding. If you are a builder you know how much local government red tape is involved in doing anything. The long waits at the building department. If the government reviewer goes on vacation the blueprints are left sitting on his desk for three weeks with nothing being done. To go back to Reagan and ignore what is happening today means that you are an ideolgue and not interested in meaningful communication. Higher taxes for the rich, which I am not, is theft pure and simple. Anyone advocating that coverts other peoples wealth and advocates the government steal it from them. There are enough laws on the books to prevent crime. The problem is the government is selective in how they enforce the laws as in Charlie Rangel’s case. A slap on the risk is not good enough. I do not think I can get through to you so I am not going to respond to everything you say. I can assure you we have little if anything in common. I will leave you with the thought that government is much too powerful and needs to be dismantled by at least 25%. To get access time with a politician such as Democrat Alcee Hastings you need to comtribute to his campaign. This is political extortion and what corrupts government. People like Alcee Hastings force Corporations and individuals to give them money to have a say in the outcome of legislation. The Tea Party has change that some and has given every day poeple, who want fairness but who do not want government exceding their power, a say without intrution in private lives and businesses. Earmarks are also political coruption as they are used to buy votes.

      • Denniso

        I guessed that you have a gov’t job or connection because many retired workers do. So it’s the hypocrisy of those people who complain loudest about the gov’t that I find disgusting.

        Do you know that the Repub Senate leader McConnell has done almost exactly the same thing as Rangel,using his position to solicit $$ for an organization that benefits him politically.

        You suggest we cut gov’t by 25%…so are you willing to cut the military by that amount? Do you know that military spending is the largest piece of the budget except for SS,Medicare,Medicaid and debt payments?

        We have crumbling roads and bridges all over the country…are you going to let them crumble at a faster rate by spending 25% less.

        We have 45million people who can’t afford health insurance and tens of millions more who have paltry insurance. You think that’s acceptable in the richest country in the history of the world?

        We have a progressive tax system,that’s why the rich pay a higher % than workers do. The rich are still,amazingly,rich after they pay their taxes,while working people struggle to pay their taxes and offer a decent life to their kids. Have you heard of the concept of disposable income? It’s the amount of an income left after paying for everything it takes just to stay alive and go to work…rent,mortgage,food,clothing,auto,utilities,taxes…A worker making $50,000/yr has maybe $5,000 left over if he’s lucky and depending on where he lives. If he pays maybe $4,000 in fed taxes(probably more),then he is effectively paying at a 80% rate,based on his disposable income. If a wealthy person has a million $$ in income,he is left w/ maybe $650,000 in disposable income and paid roughly $300,000 in fed tax…so his tax rate would be about 45% on his disposable income. So, who’s getting robbed?

        Most working people pay a much higher tax, based on their disposable income,than do the wealthiest Americans. That’s what’s not fair.

        That’s because the standard deduction and exemption amounts on the tax form that most people use to come up w/ their taxable income haven’t come close to keeping up w/ real living costs…so we have most people spending most of what they make just to stay alive and to pay their taxes,while the wealthy essentially pay no real tax burden,using the common definition of the word ‘burden’. Like I said before,the rich easily manage to stay rich even after paying their apparently higher %. It’s an example of how numbers can lie or twist the truth of an issue.

        I assume you know that people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet advocate higher taxes on themselves and their fellow rich.

      • Zeromonet

        Denniso. You can honestly back O and say he is taking over car companies and banks and then say he is protecting capitalism? Doh, I call it socialism! Government intrusion into private companies IS Socialism!

      • Denniso

        Your ‘zero’ must stand for zero thinking…

      • Vicki

        Reading comprehension. O!=0 not in ascii, not in ebsidc and not in English.

    • Hariprakash

      Alot of what you say is on the mark except that you are ignoring the fact of real extremist terrorism, political radical Islamism that has an agenda different than those outlined here or maybe both, the elites bent on forming a one world and the Islamists are using each other as to what Lenin called “useful idiots”. I think NATO had a real purpose and served peace during the cold war but I do think that the EU and the other economic unions around the world could be dangerously transformed into a political monster. The UN has become a platform for dictators and human rights abusing nations to selectively and with the power of the UN stamp behind it move against the West,the US, Israel and the hopeless and helpless throughout the world. When you see Iran, Libya and China positioned for positions overseeing human rights of other countries than the problem becomes obvious. Take one look at the UN council and ideology on population control which President Obama supports and you will see something you thought existed only on B rated science fiction horror shows. The UN has become a force for evil and in its push for a one world government, all peoples too poor or on the outside of their agenda is expendable. Israel produces the most innovative and advanced medical technology, cell phone technology, computer technology, irrigation technology and overall innovations that uplift humanity and help the billions of people on the planet achieve a better life. This is why the UN and the other countries seek to destroy Israel. Israel is protecting the children of the West and uplifting and helping all humanity throughout Africa and the world. Political Radical Extremism is a useful tool to try to put out the light of freedom and true democracy in the middle east and of course a great tool to destroy the constitutional freedoms of the US. Islamism is a real factor whether the so called Elites are using it or not. As there never was a Palestinian Arab in history no culture no existance and after WWll a Palestinian Arab entity was formed to combat and destroy the always existant Israel, what were the elites thinking about this? Since this extremism is real!

      • home boy

        there is one little bit of info you don’t seem to know and that is the governments thru the U.N. are planning to shut down and destroy all religion. when that happens along with everything else they will control everything. the governments of the world are going to give the U.N. their power for a very short time to do this destruction. read your bible. revelation 17and 18. babylon the great the harlot has deceived all by playing with the government and big buisness for the last time.

      • Denniso

        Bob Livingston…You’re at it again. Why do you feel the need to stoke the childish fantasies of your readers rather than inform them w/ facts and reality? You are playing right into the fear and ignorance of so many who combine the bible w/ faulty economic reasoning and doomesday predictions to arrive at ridiculous and way off base conclusions. You are doing an extreme disservice in what should be a search for truth and honesty when trying to figure out the complex world we live in. Your simplistic conclusions do fit nicely into many nonsensical views held by people conditioned to jump to simple and quick conclusions,but you have to know that what you lay out is not only wrong,but harmful to reason and logic.

        Some of the absurd thoughts from posters above…

        1.Create a welfare state to instill dependence,then pull it out from under people to create a poverty wracked underclass.

        2.The ‘elites’ and Islamic terrorists are using each other in a war against we the people.

        3.The governments, thru the U.N., are working to shut down religion in the interest of taking over absolutely everything.

        Now really, why would you want to spark such nonsense from your readers and lead them into such absurd fantasy,rather than trying to educate them and maybe improve the country and world? You can’t believe this baloney,so my only guess is you have no problem whipping up such hysteria and clap trap in the interest of furthering your own political position. Why not be straight w/ your followers instead of playing them like suckers,as you accuse others of doing?

      • jimbo

        Dennis, the quotes you are using are not from Livingston but from a poster (are you this deluded?) And the poster’s thoughts are not far from correct. Look around (unless you live under a rock) and you can see what this administration has done to Christianity (no national day of prayer, no prayer breakfast at the Whitehouse…but the Whitehouse DID host an islamic Ramadan dinner)

        You can also see that creating a socialistic culture MUST be the goal of this administration or we would not have this dreadful ‘Affordable Health Care’ package rammed down our throats (or was it shoved up our ars?)

        Wake up Dennis!

      • JeffH

        jimbo, save your breath…Denniso has always swallowed the “Kool-Aid” ,if you will, hook, line and sinker.

      • Dave in SoCal

        Dennis,

        Your powers of deduction are obviously lacking. Do us all a favor and read more.

      • Richard Pawley

        While it is difficult for many to discern what is going on around them and only God has perfect knowledge He sometimes reveals things to those who return His love. Consequently while I cannot verify all of the things that Mr. Livingston mentioned in the above article I know some of what the Bible says about the “end times” and some of what has been discovered hidden in the Bible using the Bible Code Software, and some of what the Holy Spirit has revealed to me and to a few other Christians. This is why I had no difficult in warning others in my 2006 autobiography that a stock market crash was coming and that gold was going to triple. Now, I tell people to make sure they have a few months of food on hand at all times, and that we are going to have prices tripling in the near future, not just food but everything. It may even go a bit higher. That the Treasury is creating 75 thousand million dollars a month out of thin air each month from now until next June only confirms what God has already revealed. Some things ARE set in stone and others, like the Los Angeles Earthquake of the Hebrew Year 5770 which was discovered to have a high probability of happening this past year according to what was discovered in the Bible Code, have been postponed (due to the prayers of many apparently) and I do not expect it until the summer of 2014. The point is that in the oldest part of the Bible God speaking through one of his prophets says “My people perish for lack of knowledge” and well over 100,000,000 in this country would surely qualify. No time to read all the comments here as I want to switch over to the article on food after one short mention below. I write about these things in both my books.

      • Wim Vonk

        I agree with you Denniso. My thoughts exactly. A lot of this stuff is just to traumatize many people. History has been full of doomsday sayers and yet we are still here. As you say it is a very complex world and easy solutions that occur in these articles are mostly nonsense.

      • Denniso

        So,Jimbo,if Obama wants a socialist makeover of the country,why did he bail out the banks and car companies? Is it a fake,like in football,and he is trying to save capitalism first and then when everything is going well again he will turn us into a socialist nation? He’s playing w/ our brains for the fun of it before he starts his marxist revolution?

        I take it you don’t read history,since you would know that the times when socialism or communism have made inroads in societies is when capitalism falters and people are out of work and angry…so,now we watch Obama struggle to save our grand money making system and you people think he’s a socialist??!!

      • http://personallibertydigest gailen val oliver

        denniso,,it is apparent that you have not read the bible or history of past kindoms and nations,do your research before you pop off your mouth

      • Elaine

        Bob Livingston is right. Soon everyone will know he was right. What is happening right now is written in the prophecy books of the Hebrew Bible as well as the King James hundreds of years before the fact. Read the book of Daniel, which relates the History of all the Kingdoms/Empires that have come and gone. We are the last Generation, the Generation that will see the return of JESUS CHRIST. Do not be fooled by Satan’s little Demons who run around denying the TRUTH. Read Daniel, Revelation, Eziekel, especially Eziekel which tells of the Last War and all the countries involved in this war.

      • Denniso

        gailen…I would be willing to bet,based upon your ‘comment’,that I’m better educated and more informed than you are.

      • libertytrain

        of course you would bet that Denniso – you are all ego, no substance.

      • Denniso

        And you agree w/ me…it’s easy to see when some one is clueless and non thinking. It has nothing to do w/ ego,just observation. Even you could do it,w/ some practice and time.

      • S.C.Murf

        Obama just gave the UN the power to call the shots about when, where, how and why our U.S. Military will leave afganistan

      • denniso

        WRONG…we are involved w/ NATO in Afghanistan,not the UN,and he didn’t hand over any control to them,he’s trying to keep them on board to help in the effort. Bush started the dirty little war 9 effing yrs ago and didn’t put enough into it to win more quickly,and you want to blame Obama? Get freaking real…

      • http://none Charles Labianco

        Dear Hariprakash,

        If you want to know the true causes of most wars
        during the 1800′s to present,
        email me with the title – replying to you from personal liberty.
        I will then email you a public domain book written in 1941
        That I copied from the internet.
        It mentions treaties, secret treaties, Fed Reserve Banks. ( Yes there are “two interrelated systems” in the world.

        Also ask me about some articles of The Informer.
        Sincerely,
        Charles Labianco

      • Jag

        If I had the power to choose between just 2 organizations to eliminate,
        al qaeda and the UN, I would choose the largest terrorist organization in the history of the world, the UN. This money pit needs to be defunded, before they try to achieve their ultimate goal, disarming all law abiding citizens on the face of the earth. Then, all guns would be in the hands of criminals, in and out of government, our military not withstanding. Our local sheriff’s and our military that have taken an oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, can keep this from happening.

      • Denniso

        You prefer Al Queada to the UN??Wow,now that’s some smart reasoning. You really do need some help w/ your thinking. That is just absurd.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Buy Silver..Crash JP Morgan. :) Just one ounce nothing crazy..Its a good investment no matter what.

      • Joyce from Loris

        I prefer silver too, even over gold.

      • Richard Pawley

        Some money is certainly better than no money but I would rather have eight cans of vacuum sealed coffee than a single ounce of silver because I believe coffee, food and everything else is going to at least triple in price due to the trillions squandered by Marxists in congress and the QE of the Treasury who are printing 75 thousand million dollars out of thin air each month from now until next June. Is silver going to go to $75 an ounce? Well, anything is possible but I doubt it, or if it does many will say “Who cares? You can’t eat it”. Of course if you have some silver and some coffee or tea or oats…well, you get the idea.

    • MR MYTH

      Good stuff Jeff…I’ve been talking about this for years inside family and friends. Most often they just roll their eyes and smirk. And that’s the problem… NOBODY wants to believe it can happen here!

      • David Phelps

        I agree, I have been telling my friends, and my older children the same thing for years, and they treat me like that I am crazy, and dont know what I am talking about, and one of my sons is a lawyer.

      • http://none Charles Labianco

        Dear Mr. Phelps,
        My son , a website programmer, also avoids the truth that I try to present. He will not listen to a word of it.
        And honestly, I can barely function knowing
        the truth. So why would I want to cause him extreme
        stress for which there is no solution?
        Because your son is a lawyer, I have just the
        article for him.
        email me with the title Phelps of personal liberty, and I’ll
        Send you an article by The Informer.

        Sincerely yours,
        Charles Labianco

      • HFlashman

        Perhaps you will want to consider your children may have a good read on your facilities…

      • Kate8

        Facilities, Flash? What are you talking about? Did you mean faculties?

        You don’t even have command of the language. How are we to believe you have a handle on world events?

      • JeffH

        HFlash…it took you long enough to get here…same ole same ole I see. Still see you’re using your favorite Alinsky rule #5. Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.

      • JeffH

        HFlashman…the liberal PARROT has arrived on scene.

        Don’t give in to the temptation to respond to his idiosyncrasies.

        Ignore his attacks and DO NOT RESPOND and eventually he WILL go away.

    • refuse2lose

      Awesome response and thanks for the education. I must have skipped class when this was being taught,or sleeping. I don’t know how people like Beck,Hannity and lLimbaugh can laugh when someone tells them this very same thing. I guess it’s part of that whole Republican establishment thing.

      • Denniso

        Let me help you…Beck,Hanity and limbaugh buy into this stuff as totally as you people do,they only laugh at times to try to keep an air of credibility while they let the idiotic message on the air. The Repub establishment is using you people like loyal foot soldiers on behalf of the corporate war against gov’t,but has to strike a balance to avoid looking like total idiots themselves. Mainstream voters who are concerned about their jobs,kids,and future don’t appreciate this kind of hyperbole and extremism when trying to do the best thing for the country.

      • David Phelps

        there are none so blind than those that refuse to see

      • BrotherPatriot

        ^^ Yup ^^

        Several who post here fall into that category quite well. I usually choose not to read their input or respond to them. Shhhh…ignore them and maybe they might just go away. :) (I know…just hopefull thinking.)

        God Bless.

      • Elaine

        AMEN BROTHER, You are right. There are none so blind as those who cannot see.

      • jimbo

        Really Dennis? What then is YOUR answer to the shithole we are all in now due to these inept Democrats? You want to pander to more of the same horse crap we have been fed? Not me; so until you come up with some concrete examples that can be used to fend of the thieves and jerks in DC you are no different than those whom you condemn.

      • HFlashman

        yep…all them thar inept Democrats. When during the Clinton era we had full employment and a deficit being paid off. When during the Carter Era we had a budget deficit of 63 billion/year. As compared to the Reagan assault on the Middle Class, the bulging deficit spending of the GOP, and the two most disasterous presdiencies these past 30 years..reagan and Bush II. Damn those Dems…

      • Denniso

        Well said,but beyond his power to discern.

        We imploded under Bush,remember? Do you remember that Bush began the bank bailouts? If he and Obama hadn’t done what they did you would be living in a depression the likes of which the world has never seen. When capitalism fails,it fails big. Then it needs help that your magical ‘free market’ can’t deliver,except over decades.

        Regan had 10% unemployment in ’81,’82…we’re at 9.5%. Did you survive the Regan recession or were you not alive yet? Have you never read about the ’29 depression to see how bad things can be when capitalism crumbles. This is a relative picnic in comparison.

      • JeffH

        Let us see…Reagan’s highest unemployment rate was 10.8%-Dec 1982 and by Jan 1984 had dropped to 8.0% and continued to decline steadily…by Dec of 1988 it was down to 5.3%.
        http://conservativeamerican.org/tag/ronald-reagan-unemployment-rate/

      • denniso

        Thanks for making my point. Reagan had higher unemployment than we do now under Obama(9.5%) and the Regan recession was a trifle compared to what the country and world have gone through for the past 2 yrs. Reagan took office in Jan 1981 and the recession lasted for a good part of his first term,right? Obama has been in office less than 2 yrs,his unemployment numbers are lower than Reagans,and we’re in a slow recovery from the worst crash since ’29. What is there to blame Obama for then?

      • Richard Pawley

        One last thought here, and that is that there is very little difference between establishment Democrats and establishment Republicans. Some hate the Democrats and some hate the Republicans and that is all childish nonsense. They are opposite sides of the same coin. There are a few differences. The Democrats claim to be ‘for the people’ but all the cities they have controlled for years are basket cases and the states they control are in pretty bad shape too. Look it up and check it out! Now the Tea Party People are a bit different and it they can’t get the Republicans to get back to their roots then we will have either socialism which we almost have under the Democrats (the head of the socialist party of America said years ago that he felt like he had wasted his whole life because the Democrats had done all that the socialists had wanted to do). It wasn’t the Republicans who established progressive income tax either, it was the Democrats but they didn’t invent it. Karl Marx suggested it as one of his methods to convert the world to atheism and socialism which is a nicer word than communism. He wanted a godless world where there would be no marriage, no individuality, and ultimately no state, in other words chaos, where we would all be interchangeable cogs or bricks or as I once heard someone say, “All suburbanites are pretty much the same”. Democratic President Wilson liked some of Marx’s ideas though he was a racist who opposed women voting. Hitler like other idea of Marx, and Stalin, Lenin, Mao and even Castro and Chevez like others. It is all about power and greed. Vote for the person you trust, if you trust any, not the party, but don’t expect to find anyone better than yourself. So called truth, justice and the American way begins within one’s self.

      • Bruce D.

        I like all three that you mentioned Denniso. But I stand by Glen Beck the most. He may or may not be right all the time but he has a good research team behind him. He sees and presents the bigger picture better than anyone with a national audiance. He is feared by Obama and the left the most and rightfully so considering most of the lefts power comes from slight of hand. You should open your mind a little and stop tring to control everything Denniso unless you want the downward spiral of society that always follows socialism . All three people that you mentioned are very patriotic and trying to do their best for their country.

      • HFlashman

        Beck as anything but an idiot? Now THAT is funny ! C;mon…you really aren’t serious are you? About a guy that continously lies, distrots truth and facts, and lionizes people like Father Coughlin (example; Coughlin frequently issued antisemitic commentary and rationalized the policies of Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini.) and McCarthy?

        Beck is a paid off protisute who is literally unable to tell truth or fact without distortion and simplification beyond recognition.

      • Bruce D.

        I don’t buy it HFlashman. Isn’t it about time you wake up to what is going on and stop being critical of those that are trying to help.

      • Richard Pawley

        I agree with what you have said Bruce. Beck admits he is only an entertainer but he is a concerned citizen and a patriot. Many who criticize him have never even watched him on TV. He may be different on radio but I don’t listen to talk radio. A historian he hired to check facts so he wouldn’t have to apologize was shocked at some of the history that Beck had uncovered. “I have two degrees in history and I never heard any of this” this amazed person said Much of our history has been pushed aside and those who only know what they were taught seldom seem to learn more. I think Beck is a combination of Thomas Paine and George Whitfield unlikely as that may seem, and if our country survives the next decade or two future historians may look back (if they are allowed to do so) and agree. Like Sarah Palin some people hate Beck because of his sincerity and his refusal to compromise his principles and because he is not like everybody else. If America survives the coming financial crisis in one piece it will be in part to the care and concern of Beck and people like him. What more could one expect from anyone, much less an entertainer. He gives not just 10% but 20% of his income to good works and that is why he is successful because you cannot out give God. We are fortunate to have him.

      • Wim Vonk

        Well said. And a lot of fundamental churches in the US are also to blame for brainwashing the masses who are unfortunenately poorly educated. Same problem in Muslim countries. I have said this before, only in the States because do not forget that most Western Democratic States have largely socialised programmes which are terrible according to American Standards. So write off the whole of Europe, Australia and Canada and a few others.

      • Dave A.

        Patriots, Denniso is playing you all, and you are allowing it to happen. I have read more than one account about socialist demagogues being planted by the extreme Left on conservative websites such as this just to stir up animosity and to try to irritate the regular participants into staying away from the site if for not other reason than to avoid the irritation of constantly having to respond to their absurd allegations. The Left doesn’t use your usual garden-variety liberal idiot to argue with you, they use reasonably intelligent debaters who are well-versed in the Socialist/Marxist agenda. Denniso is an obvious case in point (no compliment intended, Deniso). My suggestion is that we simply ignore his comments rather than allowing him/her to force us off our own conservative website. Let’s just carry on our discussions absence his “background noise.”

      • Denniso

        Gee, thanks for the compliment,intended or not…I’m simply touched by your sweet comment. But,like I’ve said before,I’m a regular guy,just like you. I do,however,have a decent college education,have been self employed for 40 yrs,designed and built homes,played music,sports and have a couple of beautiful kids… A lovely wife to go with them.

        I have spent most of my life trying to figure out the world and life and have read much fiction and non fiction,as well as science and especially Einsteins theory of relativity,both for fun and learning.
        I even look at some literal crap that comes along so I’m at least aware of what baloney is being fed the masses.

        If anyone knows how I could apply to be a paid instigator on these sites,please let me know. I can always use a little extra money,like most of you.

      • denniso

        Just a footnote…All of that is true,but the part about me being a guy isn’t necessarily so…I don’t think it’s relevant what my gender is.

        And,are you actually afraid of actual challenges to your supposedly ‘patriotic’ views? I’m not trying to run anyone off this site,my only point is to challenge ignorance and non thinking and urge people,even you,to do some real thinking. Too many of the people here are blindly following their corporate masters who have one strategy in mind…cut gov’t regulation and diminish the power of gov’t to monitor their abuses of people and the environment,all for the purpose of just making more billions of $$.

      • JeffH

        Denniso, “challenge ignorance”? Not! An obvious case of displayed ignorance and narcissism.

      • Karolyn

        I cannot believe you actually believe that! Wow! (shaking head). You actually believe that liberals are “planted” on these sites. ROTFLMAO!! You people see a conspiracy in everything!

      • JeffH

        Karolyn, it’s no secret that there are paid bloggers throughout the political blogsphere.

      • libertytrain

        Jeff – I knew she was somewhat naive – however didn’t realize how much. Of course, she now can look for one of those jobs. And yes, Karolyn, I promise you, they do exist.

      • Denniso

        I imagine,Karolyn, that it’s another myth that the rightwing extremists have put out there. It probably derives from the fact that the rightwingers can’t argue much of anything and so they think that people who can actually think,even a little,must be trained and paid ‘plants’. Maybe they’re really trying to flatter us.

      • libertytrain

        You go right ahead and discourage Karolyn from finding that perfect on-line job.. :)

    • Dan az

      Thanks Jeff
      That pretty much says it all,what needs to be done is spread it among the non believers.So the question that I have is,if they monies are going to devalue so much as to be worthless and gold will become the standard which it will be based on, and if they own it what happens to the mines that are still producing not under their control?It just seems as if there will be more regulations and land grabs by them to control all the minerals from now on?So how do we stop them?They seem to be at the final stages now.You know me its lock and load but if they are really serious about it then we as a nation must unite as one again to take them on.This kind of cancer has spread through out the world and their take on us isn’t going to be good.We need to get the word out via internet before its to late.I would like to hear your take on this!

      • libertytrain

        Dan, I’m not sure if I’m asking the right person, I think I am, but what happened with the soldier burial the other day and the church people.

      • Dan az

        Libertytrain
        It went off with out a hitch.Thanks for asking,the patriot guard riders inc.showed up even though it started raining and so did pretty much all of the city with arms at their side.There was a van and trailer with kansas plates showed up and made its survey and decided to abandon their Idea which might be their only good decision.The PGR is in every state and are going to all funerals now and will bring this crap to a stop.They are biker vets that out number these wacko’s but are committed to non violence acts which this town wasnt to worried about.They all seem to favor the other.

      • JeffH

        Dan az, good to hear all went well.

      • libertytrain

        Thanks Dan – Love those riders – we had a large group of them accompany a 19 year old soldier in Mills River, NC back from the airport yesterday – I think his burial was today but haven’t seen this news yet.

      • Dan az

        It just goes to show you that all bikers are not cut from the same cloth as of yester years.

      • libertytrain

        Gosh Dan, I’ve forgotten about them – perhaps those that survived just grew up.

    • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

      Jeff, don’t think for a minute that the Rockefeller and European were not involved at Jekyll. Senator Nelson Aldrich and Paul Warburg were the organizers. Aldrich spent the previous six months in Europe with Warburg in strategy sessions with the Money folks prior to the Island get together. None of this crap happens by accident. This money mess we are in right now was slowly laid on our economy over the last 60 years by the Liberal, read Communist, Democrats. Go back and start at the turn of the century and watch each Democratic Administration drive another wedge into the tree of Liberty, year by year. The bone head Republicans never had a clue or if they did they never raised the alarm, nor did they ever invoke the executive orders to turn any of it around. In fact the democrats used executive orders several times to further the agenda of liberalism.
      It is now time for all of us to get into the TPP and drive States Rights to limit all elected offices terms, remove the ability of those in office to campaign for further office without time as a unelected citizen and place a limit of years for total elected office time on all citizens within their life span. This time should be set so there can never be any retirement from any accumulated elected office time, maybe 12 or 14 years. What say you.

      • JeffH

        al metcalf, you are correct. My point was that neither the Rockerfellars or Rothschilds were physically in attendance. My bad, which I should have made clear. The five primary forces at that time were the Morgans, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, The “Daddy Warbucks” Warburgs and Kuhn-Loeb. JP Morgan was their American agent as was Paul Warburg, who was most probably the master of it all.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Thomas Jefferson, one of the smartest and wisest men to ever live, said that “I believe that banking institutions are more dangeouse to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property – until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” I guess he had quite the foresight, as we are heading towards the end of this more and more each day.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        That word should be dangerous. Typo.

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