“Those who would give up essential freedom to purchase temporary security deserve neither freedom nor security.” — Benjamin Franklin

I don’t plan on ever flying again. The terrorists are all laughing at the United States. They are winning. It’s just disgusting what these bullies are doing to people.

I had to fly four years ago when my mother had a stroke and then for her funeral. One TSA agent was yelling and insulting the people at the security point. This was at the Las Vegas airport. Tourists who came here and spent a ton of money had to endure this creep? Embarrassing for Las Vegas. Shameful for the formerly free United States of America.

Questioneer 2 real solutions come to mind. Dogs can be trained to sniff out most explosives and armed airmarshels on flights. But being the typical left leaning person you are you would rather go through all this show for the entertainment of the deranged just for a false sence of security? Grow a brain and really question thigs not just say you are. Mike L.

Thank you Mr. Livingston, I am tired of the misconceptions of the liberals and the bias that they spew too. I am an Independant but I will not vote for another Democrat for many a year because of the MARXISM ridden agendas that they have been eaten up by. We went to war to rid the world of Naziism and should have went on to rid the world of COMMUNISM at the same time, but for the life of me I do not know why our GOV. then said NO My father went thru ww-2 and I was without a dad for 6 yrs. because of it.
Now it is in our front yard, and my GOD they want to KILL or way of life & the DEMOCRATS are allowing it. But the Arabs are here too, now we are a multi-national country, but FIRST and FORMOST we are AMERICANS, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. NO EXCEPTIONS.
GOD BLESS AMERICA

Thank you Bob, I have really been able to learn alot on this sight over the last few months. Some things I allready knew to be true but wondered if there were people out there who thought the same way I did. And some things I assumed to be true but when brought to light I was wrong about.Thanks again Mike L.

Don’t mind George Odell, stirring the pot was probably his intent. George is likely chuckling right now at how easy it is to raise the ire of conservatives. Just the mention of a few trigger words like Bush lied, Reich Winger or Tea Bagger has us chomping at the bit.

As for myself, being a consumate optimist and after my blood pressure returns to a level that won’t make me explode, see the benefits hidden in remarks of George like creatures as a barometer useful in gauging current liberal talking points, a heads-up so to speak. I can then safely surmise that somewhere on the web there are a group of lefties typing away furiously with orange stained Cheetos finger tips, crafting the latest fabri-fiction aimed at disrupting constructive conversations between concerned patriots anxious only for a favorable future for their beloved offspring.

And lastly, George’s comments remind me of the dangers in supporting a politician, any politician without question. Because of the 911 attacks I supported the Patriot Act in the belief that Bush’s intentions were in the best interests of our country, and I still do. The problem is the potential missuse and abuse by subsequent leaders and will forevermore tender my thoughts on future policy making.

Dear 45caliber,

I happened to go to the same college as GWB a few years after he graduated, and he was a member of the biggest party time beer soaked fraternity on campus, just around the corner from my dorm. He hung a confederate flag in his dorm room to declare his independence from a) his father and b) his Yalie environment. However, since I am married to a Jamaican, am a Seventh day Adventist elder, and have first hand knowledge of how ‘where he comes from’, I don’t admire any of those early qualities.
His professed conversion to Christianity may well have led to a marked change in his personal life, but I wish they had also led to a marked change in these political attitudes. Yes, PC does exist, but not quite in the way most people think. Rebelling against it is hardly a valid philosophy of life. Having a good grasp of the facts and systems that make the world tick is essential to an informed and wise electorate. It doesn’t lead to the ideas Bob Livingston expressed here. True, both parties are guilty of unforgivable corruption and arrogance. But to hew the strict liberal AND/OR the pure conservative AND/OR the radical libertarian line is simply naive. It will result in further disgraces of America. Certainly, the draft dodging, know nothing, shallow mind of George Bush is nothing I can still appreciate. I did appreciated Dwight Eisenhower, and Robert Kennedy, and to lesser extents, Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter. All men of integrity. We need to have scrupulous and independent statesmen leading our nation, regardless of political tendency.
I see those qualities in Barack Obama, who is very far from being the socialist nut depicted in this string of comments. Witness his handling of General Motors – not radical enough for some, who would have let GM disappear, but moderate, calm and successful.

“Blessed is the man who……sits [not] in the seat of the scornful” Ps 1:1

Patriotically yours,
George

Very true in at least most cases if not all and in some cases you can drive faster than you can fly .

Too True 45, Why fly enjoy the drive maby that needs to be our new motto. I see the other mike is on today too Mike L.

PC is not ‘not hurting someone’s feelings’. It is “not disagreeing with the libs”. They don’t want THEIR feelings hurt; they could care less if it hurts your feelings. This whole thing shows this. Meg, for instance, simply wanted to ask some questions and not be seen naked or fondled. That offended those TSA people present – so she is obviously a problem. The fact that they offended her isn’t wrong since they are PC and she isn’t.

Hi Al,

I agree with you, I used to fly standard carriers, we switched to a small plane carriers we have a few services we use around the US.
It saves us the insaine behavior displayed within all US Air Ports.

Lets face it its been code Yellow or Orange now for 10 years, do you feel safer now then before 9/11?

Now all of you please ask yourself’s this, Just how did Dipper Boy get on that plane last December?
Can you say really that its not a 100% contrived event?

Is it not strange that the fix was just waiting on funding?
Is it not strange how many in Dems and Reps Congress and the Senate have stock in the company’s involved with manufacture of said units?

This is the deal with the TSA thing and all this scanning, padding down.
Soon people will be so conditioned that you will have to strip down to your skin just to get on a standard carrier. But along with that is that you or anyone can be on a list and guess what, if you are its not just going to be a strip search.

No its the total open door for anything, even public beatings, and worse – as in an excution room built on each air port. Think thats really far fetched, Read the Heath Care Bill and some of whats in it.

Then ask yourself this question, did you ever think you would be doing what you are now to fly even just 25 years ago. I bet not.

I’m not through reading Obamacare, but I can tell you it is a killer for everyone…even the entitlement participants who vote only to receive their next check. Everyone is going to be affected even if you make $10,000 a year. Anyone with company insurance gets to pay taxes on those benefits in your W-2 at the amount your company pays for it (unless you are one of the unions that have been given a waiver to opt out..and there are a bunch of them), 3.8% investment income tax,, medicare payroll tax increase of 0.9%, 10% tax on tanning beds, medical device excise tax (on wheelchairs, scooters, any medical device), annual fees for doctors and hospitals, physician reimbursement “value based” which means the government will determine the reimbursement to your physician for your care, individual and company mandates, 529 billion cuts to Medicare (remember the death squads), 205 billion cuts in Medicare Advantage Prescription Plan, your medical expenses to be deducted on your income tax has to be above 10% of your income, and we will have a happy 16 million dumped into the Medicaid program so all us working stiffs can pay for them…and there is no exclusion for illegal aliens, plus your tax dollars will be paying for abortions. Don’t you just love it. We must stand up to everything this administration tries to control us with…we must have the airports get rid of this ridiculoua invasion of our privacy as well as Obamacare because of its unconstitutional and invasion of privacy as well. It is time for us to become Patriots and stand up for the Constitution and and law of the land.

There is a big reason that this bill controls doctor fees.

At the moment, doctors are the only profession that can compete with salaries with lawyers and therefore can compete for political positions.

There has been a bill in Congress for many years now that wants to make it illegal for a doctor – such as each of the two Dr. Paul’s – from running for any office. Supposedly, their oath to serve humanity covers only medical care.

By setting the fees a doctor can charge, they can eliminate doctors from being financially able to run for office against a more deserving lawyer – plus they can eliminate doctors who won’t be willing to buy and sell votes.

As someone who ‘KNOWS’ security, all of whats going on at airports is nothing but ‘Foolishness’, as it is ‘COMPLETELY WORTHLESS. What I DO see happening, is the flying public, is being ‘Trained’ . . . trained to ‘Submit’, to do ‘As Told’. People better start ‘Waking Up’, because until they DO, an make a point of LOUDLY COMPLAINING, ‘Nothing’ is going to change.

Hi Doc,
Thanks Doc, I do try and point out craziness when I see it.

Hi Mike,

I agree with you but saddly these marxist in our government are not fooling around.
So After thinking about this issue I have come up with a idea that I feel will be of help to all.

First off everyone needs to call, email and fax your state Reps in both houses and explain the point that you are not having any more of this Marxist behavior from TSA nor HLS or the WH.

You want them to not only remove the nude Xray gadgets but the pat downs are not valid either and they should be stopped NOW.

Let them know that you as law abiding citizens of the USA as well TAX paying citizens have had enough of the Patiriot act and want it repealed ASAP or defunded.

Its not a valid nor reasonable law. And as the Citizens of the US never got a vote on it you find it “unconscionable” that it was ever passed, and while they are working on unfunding Obama care they can unfund this law as well.

Tell them that dogs can sniff out the items they are looking for far better than human hands can, let alone the Xray gadgets.
As well to start whats truly needed “PROFILING.”
As 99.999% of all persons born in the USA on flights are not ones to fear so stop the maddness now.

This will have a few effects first off the DC belt way gang can no longer profit from any issues that arise and let them know that you know such is going on and has gone on for far too long and it will stop now. Let them know in a “very nice way” that they too can be replaced.

Also its high time that our Government stop the maddness in all respects, and VET Barry Soetoro ASAP.
As they failed to do their job back in 2007/08 and now they had better get their butts in gear and get the job done.
And if its found that he is not a valid US Citizen that all laws passed by this admin need to be defunded and then removed from the law books ASAP, as well all Appomintments made no matter who and what.

As well that the “Full Letter of the Law” apply to any and all who were involved in this plot. Keep in mind you want to let it be known that as “these events took place during a WAR” That the law is very clear on what fate they have coming.
And that you want it followed to the letter of the law. Thats
“death for High Treason.”
As well you want GWB to suffer the same fate as he also commited Treason by signing the Patirot act.

Then you also want the DOJ dufunded and then shut down ASAP. Also tell them you are sick and tired of the political rhetoric and you want it stopped ASAP.

No more lies, no more BS just tell it like it is.
Oh, and audit the FED too!

What is interesting is that in most nations the Muslim elitists don’t cause serious problems until they are six or seven percent of the population but here they are causing a lot of grief and discord while being only 2% of the population. I suspect that if the real financial crisis doesn’t come upon us very soon it will only get worse. I pointed out in both my books that you cannot fight evil with just material weapons (you can, of course, but you need spiritual weapons to fight spiritual battles), and the United States is going through the greatest spiritual battle it has gone through since the Civil War. I recall listening to a Palestinian engineer making what he thought was a joke with a Palestinian computer operator outside a air force less than two months after 9/11 about taking flying lessons but not needing to know how to land. Both were working as car rental agents outside a base that had nuclear weapons in the western part of our nation. I didn’t say anything about it to them but I did see that the proper authorities were at least notified about it. I mentioned that in one of my books. By the way St. Paul in the New Testament talks a great deal about spiritual warfare for those who might be interested.

Richard,
You are certainly right about it being a spiritual battle. And we do need to use our spiritual tools.

“Dhimmis are second class citizens (if allowed citizenship at all) and must be subject to their Muslim overlords in all things and must pay special taxes to those overlords.”

And that tax has already been enacted into law. Obamacare requires all citizens who are breathing to pay a fine if they don’t have gov approved health Insurance. Muslims are, of course, exempt on religious grounds.
http://www.examiner.com/small-business-management-in-phoenix/if-you-are-muslim-you-can-opt-out-of-the-obamacare-health-care-reform-laws-with-no-penalties

(For the fully informed reader you should be aware that there are numerous articles both claiming and disputing the above. However PL does not allow more than 1 link without the delay of moderation so to be able to see lots of argument just go to google and type in
“muslim exemption from health care bill”
For a host of fact/opinion and conjecture.)

You could even make it a rental/sales shop for those who only need them occasionally.

This would be called racial profiling, but they should just put all people from terrorits counties on the no-fly list, along with all the muslims in this country. Their religion is to kill all the infidels.
But this country panders to illegals and muslims.

You are right, but they will call us both biggots

They pretend to be backing down a little bit, but for every inch they back down, they will move forward 3 inches…perhaps a device to look up your rectum for bombs!! Janet, like Obummer, really doesn’t get it yet!! To her, this has to be, and she will not back down from it!! Not even if it kills the airline industry!! and it might well have to!!

Actually Israel has almost no ‘incidents’ and we would do well to copy them if we were serious about security. My wife and I have chosen not to fly some time back because of all the crap one has to go through, and getting extra doses of radiation while providing free naked pictures to unbalanced TSA agents was just the final straw. One of them had a 60+ year old businessman I’ve known for decades on the verge of tears because of the way he was mis-treated. Some beleive that this is all part of a Marxist movement to dehumanize the population in the United States to make us more amenable to whatever socialist dictates that congress and the bureaucracy have planned for us. Remember we must replace the rest of the establishment congress (those who are bought and sold) and care only for themselves and those who pay them which should be us. Just 24 months and we can replace those who refuse to do what is right for the American people. Remember that Multi-billionaire and European George Soros says it’s a shame that only Americans can vote for congress and he and a few others are doing all they can to influence our economy and our way of life, spending hundreds of millions of dollars to do so.

Richard,
You are so right.

I am still in shock somewhat after listen to the audio tape of the young lady who was singled out and just trying to fly. I feel like I was just molested and found guilty by TSA listening to her testimony.

I did not know they were groping people and squeezing women’s breast… WHAT?! That is physical abuse… since when do we let a man or a woman do that to an innocent person who is not guilty of a crime, much less guilty of one? What happened to the back of the hand that I heard they were going to use… not that I agree with that either?

The man in the audio tape said TSA is doing “mental conditioning” and “psychological torture” on Americans for the things the progressives/communists have instore for us yet to come… because the man in the airport said it was for the “greater good”… WOW.

Sounds like we’re trapped in an alternate universe in “The Twilight Zone” …da-na,na-na, da-na,na-na…

So how come Muslim women wearing the barka veil and their muslim families can opt out… aren’t we all supposed to succumb to the Flight Policies for “Air Traffic Safety?”

And aren’t the Islamic Muslims the Terrorists, not patriotic Americans visiting their families or flying for their work.

Isn’t Isreal doing a GREAT job with their airport security… no one is felt-up by freaks and harrassed by police kooks.

This is nuts… NO MORE, guys we have to say NO, NO, NO!

I don’t fly anymore, but still I say this is America and we want OUR FREEDOMS back!

Christin, I said above that Israel has had almost ‘no incidents’ but I have since read that they have had NONE but of course we are told that we can’t do what they do. I have a hunch that another reason we are doing this is also payback to the companies that make these machines. The pictures I have seen (but which are no longer being released) are not these somewhat surreal pictures shown at the top of this article but pictures that could easily be identified if you knew the person. I wonder if any movie stars fly commercial? Their nude pictures would fetch a pretty penny and be in cyber space forever. Of course none of the soon be unionized 50,000 TSA members would ever sell them. It’s a good thing they arrested the TSA supervisor last week in Newark who had been robbing passengers belongings of money while they went through the scanner – he had been doing this for two years – because once Obama and his Marxist friends unionize them he could never be fired just like the several hundred teachers in NYC who have been found unfit morally to teach but can’t be fired so they report to a special building each day and get up to $100,000 a year to just be there and do absolutely nothing. One even runs a business from this place. Now many union members are good decent people but it is their leaders that are communists and those who want to reduce the USA to a brick in the new world social order. In my 2006 autobiography, “Leaving South Carolina” I tell the story of how I and Scotty were the only two members of a plant in Columbia, S.C. who were not members of the Teamsters Union and that Christmas we got a Christmas card from Jimmy Hoffa who was in prison at the time. It was quite scary and after six months I quit that job. In any event they keep telling us that we can’t do the extremely successful system used by Israel. We were once AMER-I-CANs but nowadays we are just AMER-I-CAN’Ts. I’ve heard it said that some are hoping that they will stop using this Nazi-like method (at least a couple of elderly Jews have said this reminded them of how Hitler got started, treating people inhumanely, getting them accustomed to being “things” rather than free individual persons) but that if they do stop and then there is an incident they can say we tried but those evil people who believed in the Constitution (the fourth amendment forbids unreasonable searches) made us stop so in the name of safety we have to do away with the Constitution. George Soros says it’s a shame that only Americans can vote for congress and he has clearly stated that he thinks Karl Marx had it right. If I were president I would strip him of his citizenship since he is clearly a traitor to this country and is doing all he can to bring it down (can a president do that?). Soros say that the United States is an impediment to the world social order that he believes is best for the world or some such. If you happen to be a believer pray about any of these things that upset you. In the wonderful book GOD CALLING, a classic Christian paper back, Jesus tells a woman in England before we were born, that “When you see how wonderfully your prayers have been answered, you will regret, deeply regret that you did not pray more.” If enough people pray I think our country can still be saved. The terrible inflation, with food and fuel and other things, tripling, is still coming because of all the money the Pelosi-Reid congress has squandered in the past four years, but it could be much worse. If we don’t cut back on the terrible waste and reduce the spending we will end up just print money like the Germans did in 1922 and…Oh, I forgot, we are already doing that, just creating 75 thousand million dollars out of thin air each month until June of next year. In my book four and a half years ago I warned about the coming stock market crash and the danger of derivatives that were then over $300 TRILLION. Well, the central banks of the world have continued to speculate and they now have more derivative investments that require INFLATION to be profitable than the worth of the entire planet so you know they are doing all they can to create inflation. The point is that while you hear a lot about gold going up and it is (Soros sold a bunch of his stock and bought several hundred million dollars worth of gold) gold is really for the rich who can afford it. Ordinary people would do better buying the things of daily life, non-perishable or emergency foods like those available from honeyvillegrains.com and Karst Sports, and all the things from toilet paper to toothpaste, from under garments to socks, and all the regular things of daily life – they are likely to cost 20% more next year and eventually triple what they are now. Some of my sources say that in 2012 the inflation we (the Congress and the FED and the Treasury) are causing is going to set a wave of inflation throughout the world. In my 2006 autobiography I called what is coming “The Greater Depression” but it will really be worse than that. Don’t take all this lightly. You can’t lose buying things you know you will eventually need because the inflation alone will pay for them. To much to tell but as Winston Churchill once said (the guy whose bust the White House returned to England as no longer wanted) “Never, never, NEVER, never give up!” I also like what it says in the Bible, “With God all things are possible!” May God bless you and all who read this.

I was told by a TSA agent that if you are traveling alone, that makes you a suspect. I believe this girl was traveling alone and it sounds as if your wife was as well. When I was traveling alone, I was singled out as well but it was before the naked body scanners were put into place.

Maybe they do this because there will be nobody there for you to rely on for back up and therefore, no witness to their crime as nobody can corroborate your story.

The ACLU is probably part and parcel of the discrimination against those who are not obviously muslim.

I believe if I were forced to fly anywhere (and I do mean forced because I have no intention of flying under the present rules and regulations) I would refuse the scan then tell the person doing the pat down if they groped me they would be on their butt with a broken jaw or perhaps not. Just wait until it happened then deck them for sexual assualt.

And, sadly, you would be the one arrested. Your choice and mine are best, not to fly until all this nonsense is over. I sympathize with those who must fly. Once the FED and the Treasury destroy the dollar and the economy with their incessant creation of money out of thin air, times are going to be so bad that very few will be flying and as I pointed out in my recent and politically incorrect book on what’s really going on with the economy (and why) the price for even an economy ticket will be so high that few will be able to fly. Some of those well off are chartering their own aircraft. The rest of us will just have to stay closer to home if we don’t want to be treated like the Nazi’s treated not just the Jews but all that didn’t support their agenda in a previous generation.

You know richard it sounds like the fences are already up and the gestapo are manning the gates.The NWO at its finest.

If the airports can opt out of using the TSA, then pressure should be brought to bear on them to do so. A private company who had to stay in business would work to help keep the public happy and safe. A government agency has no such compulsion. They get paid the same whether they are groping and harrasing or being pleasant and helpful, most opt for the first attitude when they come to work. They are so afraid of being sued that they let the obvious Muslim through unmolested while picking on some poor middle aged woman…ridiculous!

I’m so glad that you’ve chosen not to fly during the present situation. That will help make flying a more pleasurable experience knowing we won’t have to deal with you as a passenger.