Johnnie I think we should make TIMed the guinea Pig. Maybe we could get his mouth fixed !

Granny Mae,
Beyond repair!!!

YEP !

Go get im’ Granny Mae!!! I like your style!!!

Doctor,
Few here have objected to the science of your article or your position regarding stem cell research, adult or embryonic. Most have objected to the false accusation against the Religious Right, where you claim in your opening remarks that, as a group, they have an objection to stem cell research in general. This is false. It is untrue and either a complete fabrication or a gross misunderstanding of what you’ve read on the subject. There are few other objections posted in this forum. But many strongly dislike being falsely accused of Neanderthal thinking, knuckle-dragging recalcitrance while blocking the progress of humankind in matters scientific. And your opening statements would suggest that this is your view of the Religious Right, as you refer to them.

Until you retract that false statement, it would appear that most of the readers here can only understand that you are unwilling to do so or are incapable of seeing the problem.
Thanks!

Please note: I have never said the religious right is against stem cell research. What I said was they, “… continue to fight over the moral issues involved in stem cell research…” There is a distinction. No such specific claim – as you suggest – has been made.

Doctor,
Again, thank you for your interest. As you say, your article, quoted, states that they “… continue to fight over the moral issues involved in stem cell research…” As you can see, what you said has resulted in a great degree of misunderstanding. The correct understanding, based on your choice of words, is that the religious groups continue to fight over the moral issues of stem cell research, when in fact they don’t. They argue about the morality of using embryos as the source. These are two very different arguments. Some people argue about the best way to earn money. Others argue about the best way to steal it. Again, two very different arguments, yet both are about how to acquire money. In view of the fact that your statement, as made, suggests, according to how it has been understood here, that conservative religious groups “continue to fight over the moral issues involved in stem cell research” when if fact it is not the research at all, to which they object. Perhaps the Long Form Retraction Certificate would be helpful and productive and most of all, clarifying, as even your replies leave uncertainty as to whether the article means to imply that religious groups ‘…continue to fight over the moral issues involved in stem cell research’.
If, in fact, you wish to be clearly understood, as I believe you would want, you might consider plainly stating, clearly, that you did not mean to suggest that religious groups object to the research, since they don’t, but simply to the use of embryos as the source material for that research.
Thanks!

And Doctor,
Please don’t misunderstand me. I do not mean to attack you personally. When in school, I studied to be a teacher and one of the courses that I took was Communications. The opening line from the professor was “It is not the responsibility of the listener to understand; it is the responsibility of the speaker to be understood”
I have always held myself to that standard and perhaps I am unfair in expecting you to do the same.

My sincerest apologies if I have offended you as that was never my intention. To me the truth is never something to be compromised and left to the wayside, but rather, to be the guide to all that we say. If you recall from your scholastic reading, Jonathan Swift, when writing of the travels of Gulliver, described to a Horse the meaning of a lie. The Horse, of course, could not understand why anyone would use language to impart an idea that was not true, as his understanding of saying anything at all was to say that which was factually accurate. So maybe I’m just being a bit horse-headed here and, again, I sincerely apologize if my insistence on accuracy in how one is understood is a standard, more of my own, than that of others, to which , perhaps unfairly, I have been holding you as well.
And Thanks!

These opinions are a great example of the political discourse in our country today. You write about good medical news and it turns into a mud slinging contest. Every time you try to explain your first paragraph, they just find something else to complain about. Have fun trying to appease the wingnuts.

Kenny – you have a point, at least about this character’s continued attacks with regards to this article.

Dr. Mark Wiley,
This guy is totally annal ! I don’t know who he thinks he is speaking for. I can’t believe he thinks he is so intelligent that he can continue to badger you ! If I were you I would tell him to stuff it and get lost. You and Bob have both tried to explain to this jerk what was said and still he continues. He is looking for attention and trying to make others think he is very intelligent. Trouble is the more he spouts off the dummer he gets ! I don’t know where he gets off thinking he knows all about religious beliefs . He is just another nut job so pay him no mind !

TimedWork,

Enough already ! For the sake of all the rest of us PLEASE, just shut the hell up ! Your brain is fried !

Denniso,
To look at the fine point of the morality of the issue, and that’s what the objection to embryonic stem cell research is: a question of morality, one must define that human life does or does not have inherent value. If it doesn’t have inherent value, in that it is NOT SACRED FOR ITS OWN SAKE, then do with it as you will, “survival of the fittest”, “may the best man win”, “look out for #1!”,etc.

However, if your definition of life imbues it with a sacred character that is to be RESPECTED FOR ITS OWN SAKE, then using a human life in the form of an embryo to improve/sustain the quality of life in another, just because it is discarded in an invitro lab’s Petri dish, is just as objectionable as using them afterwards, when they have died from an accident, [and here, for the sake of the line of reasoning I’m eliminating any consideration of moral issues] as nutrition. Revolting, I know. Yet the moral issue is the same.

The qualifiers that make my suggestion so heinous is that the family and loved ones of the deceased would object, and for good cause. They loved that person. No one loved the aborted fetus or the fertilization “extras” and so they have no defenders. They become a commodity. And as long as our society continues to diminish the inherent value of all human life, and continues to reduce it to a mere commodity, respected only for its stature and “quality of life”, we will always have “thinkers” looking for better use for that life when no one loves them any more.
Please forgive me if my logical premise offended you. That was definitely not my intention.
May you continue to be loved.

Everyone,except psycopaths,agrees that human life has value…the question is when does life begin? Some think that masturbation is evil or a ‘sin’,because life begins partly w/ a sperm cell. Some say it begins w/ a fertilized egg,though many fail to go to full term and produce an actual baby. Many others claim that life doesn’t really begin until a fetus is old enough to be viable and live outside the mother. All of those views still accept that life is inherently valuable…most liberals hold that view and so want the poorest and least powerful people,children and adults,to be able to live a decent life. Somehow, conservatives think that once a baby is born the quality of it’s life is entirely up to the parents and if they fail at providing a good beginning to the kid then it’s just too bad,since ‘we all have choices’. That’s what makes the conservative position on a woman’s choice appear hollow…plenty of concern about forcing a woman to carry a baby she doesn’t want to,for whatever reason,and very little or no concern for the baby after birth…and we have millions of babies in terrible living conditions in this country.

If the lady(?) doesn’t want the baby, then put it up for adoption!!! There are a great many parents out there willing to love and nurture a child!!! Look at what the beauracracy does, makes it next to impossible to adopt, and easier than hell to be foster parents to MANY children!! There are aquite a few of the foster parents that are devils in disguise!!

You want the state to force to carry a baby 9 months to delivery,go through delivery(which has a fatality risk for the mother),and then give the baby away. You probably wouldn’t have an exception for rape or incest either,since you would say rape can be faked.

You and people like you need to accept that the egg,the fertilized egg,the fetus and the viable are all part of the woman’s body. They belong to her,not you or the state. You can’t force women to remain pregnant if they don’t want to…it’s immoral itself and it doesn’t work anyway. And,talk about state control of a person’s private life…how does the ‘smaller gov’t’ and ‘gov’t out of our lives’ crowd
justify such force over private actions?

Maybe we should force men to masturbate into a cup every couple of days and have the state use the sperm to impregnate women,since there is a part of the bible that says masturbation is a sin…like your witch candidate O’Donnell, and others, believe.

I obviously meant to say, ‘to force A WOMAN to carry’

Denniso,

It takes a live sperm to fertilize a live egg and when that happens then life is beginning. You cannot have life with a dead sperm nor with a dead egg. No matter how hard you try you just can’t get life from either one ! As for a mother in danger from carrying a baby to term. BS ! Her doctor can tell if that is a problem , but as a woman I can tell you it is BS ! I suffered with major heart problems since I was in my early 20′s and I have 5 children. All of them planned for. The best answer to abortion is prevention ahead of time and responsibility ! If at least one partner was to take responsibility and make sure there was no conception there would be no need for abortion. Adoption is the next best alturnative ! Any time there is a real problem with a pregnancy the doctor has always had the ability to take care of his patient. To continue with mass abortions in this country is simply excepted because it releases both partners involved , of responsibility ! A very bad excuse to allow one person the right to commit murder and justify it by saying it is the womans right to choose ! Poor excuse for poor judgment and a lack of responsibility. A few moments of illisit pleasure results in the death of another human being ! How disgusting ! Talk about immoralality ! Then you talk about this life now dead as though it was a nothing ! From the moment of conception it was a life with a soul and should have been in the safest place there is on earth, his mothers body. The body that was designed to protect that life till it could survive in the outside world ! Mass murder of the innocent is unacceptable !. Abortion not only kills the baby but it effects the mother the rest of her life , even when she doesn’t know it and doesn’t expect it ! There are consequenses to abortion that most people have no clue of but they should ! Don’t take my word for it check it out with the right to life people and they will give you information that will surprise you !

Who mentioned ‘dead’ eggs or ‘dead’ sperm? aren’t they alive before they meet? Shouldn’t you then force people to keep them alive because they can produce a baby?

You talk about bad judgement…human life is full of bad judgement isn’t it? If you eat 5,000 calories a day and turn into a blimp,isn’t that bad judgement? Do people speed or drive drunk and kill people? Is that bad judgement? Do we withold medical treatment from people who exercise bad judgement and force them to live w/ their actions? No, we usually let people make ammends,or not, and allow them to get on w/ their lives. We don’t force people to live w/ lifelong consequences except in the most serious offences against other born people.

There is a risk of fatality for the mother w/ every pregnancy,you as a woman should certainly know that. It’s not a high risk,obviously, but it is a measurable risk.

The bottom line is that it doesn’t work to deny women the choice to control THEIR OWN BODY,and it creates more of a police state w/ the state invading women’s and doctor’s privacy and rights.

Denniso,

You said when does life begin and I said when a live sperm meets a live egg life begins ! That was the point. Now what about babies in petree dishes! Christians are not for that. I should say Catholics are not for that. They don’t believe that man should interfere with creation. Creation is the responsibility of a husband and wife through the marriage act. That is how God made it ! The problem with artificial insemination is just what you brought up. What do you do with the remainder of fertile eggs? Being able to handle this is a big moral delema and that is why Catholics feel it is wrong to do. Life is life and although that life may not look like the baby form that we all know, doesn’t mean it isn’t a baby. That baby will go through a lifetime of changes and on the day it dies it will not look like it did the day it was concieved or the day it was born. You can’t lable a baby , a baby just on how it looks. As for poor judgment, like you said, it carries consequences. That is why we must use common sense and make good choices. There are many ways to prevent a pregnancy before it happens so use responsibility and good sense and there will be no need for an abortion. To speak of danger to the life of a mother let me tell you that if you combine all the dangers of life, incest and rape together they amount to only 1 percent of all the abortions done. That is a fact! Now what does that tell you? It tells me that it is a very expensive form of birth control. Then it is easy to place all the responsibility for the future on the female by telling her she has the RIGHT to choose. If she feels pressured and hopeless she will most likely choose abortion and now both parties can give a sigh of relief and they don’t have to concern themselves with taking care of this little life (which should have been thought of before it was concieved) and the couple is free to go on their way and take a chance of doing it all over again and a lot of times they do. Now if the mother is given the sole right to determine whether the baby lives or not, then who is considering the rights of the father? Without him this wouldn’t have happened but no-one is asking him what he wants. Maybe he wants this baby of his and he can’t convince the woman to carry the baby to term! She aborts and he has lost his son or daughter and his parents have lost their grandchild! This was just as much his child as hers and yet he has no say! That is wrong too. When it comes to abortion everybody looses. Like I said else where, there are a lot of side effects to abortion and from what I can see none of them good ! There is a lot less heart ache to prevent this from happening in the first place than to take a chance and end up feeling compeled to take a life so you can fix it !

Denniso,

I’ve been around a long time and I can tell you that a woman and her doctor have always had the ability to address any health problems concerning a mother whether it was a bad heart or an abortion ! As a woman I have always had the rights over my body and so has every other woman. It has only been in recent times that man has felt the need to protect irresponsible men by convincing women that they feel the need to get an abortion when an unplanned pregnancy happens. They lay it all on her and then they wash their hands of the whole thing. They convince her that she will be scorned and lost and all alone. She then feels the need to do the unthinkable and has to live with that decission for the rest of her life and trust me she will. Her thoughts will go to that child from then on forever even if the guy never has another thought about it. If he does have thoughts about it he too will carry those thoughts for the rest of his life. There is never any escaping from our memory ! This is not a choice that anyone should have to make ever and it is wrong to use abortion as a form of birth control. Have you ever seen that girl on TV that was aborted by her mother and lived? I can’t remember her name but she is a young woman of about 20 now. After the abortion the nurse found that she was breathing and alive so she rescued her and cared for her and adopted her. She has some problems because of a lack of oxygen at birth but other than that she is a beautiful young woman and she has a beautiful voice. She is a spokes person for the right to life organization. She has quite a tail to tell. She was a late term abortion. The mother got close to the end of her term and decided she couldn’t deal with it any longer so she aborted. How much better it would have been if someone had reached out in love to this person and incouraged her to continue to term and given her some help along the way. She would be the proud mother of a beautiful daughter today. Her father would have a beautiful and intelligent daughter today. What a waste ! I don’t expect you to agree with me but this is how it is !

Well said, Granny Mae! The extreme pressure many women face (from spouses, lovers, friends, etc.) to have an abortion is often brushed off by the pro-aborts as being part of her “choice.” The woman is truly the second victim of every abortion.

As a liberal, COMMON SENSE wouldn’t make sense to you, dennislobber!!

Who are you addressing,Granny? I’m responding to some of the stupid comments here,some that have little to do w/ the article but are absurd enough for me to want to try and correct. Understand?

I’m responding to TIMedWork. He is cracked ! I guess I should be use to it by now !

Pete and repete !

Bob,
If Dr. Wiley isn’t biased, then why did he throw in that first paragraph? The debate over embryonic stem cells has nothing to do with adult stem cells. That first paragraph is unnecessary, biased, and misleading. It has absolutely nothing to do with the actual story.

Dear Daniel,
Dr. Wiley may or may not support the use of embryonic stem cells. We have not discussed the issue, and I would not presume to speak for him. However, this article specifically describes the use of a patient’s own stem cells and that is what is important to the discussion.
All the best,
Bob

Bob,
Though this article does, in fact, specifically state that adult stem cells were used in the treatment, it also specifically states that the Religious Right has a problem with that. And that is a complete prevarication, a falsehood, a non-truth, posted here as if it were true. To some, that might be considered lying.
I think the readers of this blog take exception to lying. It is more of what one would find in a liberal, left leaning blog. Here, it takes on the character of a “wolf in sheep’s clothing” to do so.
Thanks!

Thank you, Bob, for clarifying this point. Indeed a linguistic mis-step in the opening paragraph seems to have triggered in people a negative reaction to an otherwise very positive article. Indeed, the stem cells in question are from and adult… and specifically, the adult who is being treated.

Dr. Mark,
I respect and appreciate that you reflect on the comments made here in response to your article. Your replies, however, for the most part address that you were “remiss” in failing to point out the differences in the two types of research. Indeed, you were.

But moreover, you have not adequately addressed the completely false statement which you made, as if it were factually true, regarding the “Religious Right” objecting to stem cell research. And if you have indeed addressed it, it is clearly unclear that you did. This is the only objection that has been repeated here in this forum, yet you seem to be addressing other concerns of incompleteness in the article, while ignoring the factually untrue statements that you put forth as truth. Grossly misleading at best, suggesting that, perhaps, you are grossly uninformed.

But thank you for caring enough to not flatly ignore so many here who have taken exception to your false statements, presented as if they were factually true.

Peace

What in the world is all this nit picking about? Is there not still a on going debate about the use of stem cells? There sure is just read all these posts ! I have read and reread this article and I just don’t see anywhere there is talk about using embryonic stem cells and still all these posts are filled with acusing the good Doctor of doing just that ! I can there is a great lack of reading comprehention here ! Dang it all people—screw your heads on straight for a change !

Granny Mae – thank you for your good common sense and ability to read – I’m as lost as you with what people think they read and their inability to let go of the words they twisted. Amen to you sister!

It was your introduction not to mention the word “adult” and include the “religious right” caused the confusion.

Bob,
Yes, you are correct. He did say that the cells were from the patient, an adult. I think the objections here are due to the good doctor’s remark, implying that the “Religious Right” has a problem with adult stem cell therapy. That is completely false. And it is this falsehood about which most of these good folks are complaining.
Thanks!

Hey Bob,

I am lmao! There are some out there that will never get it even if you draw them pictures ! They remind me of my son that is dyslexic ! All the explaining in the world will go to waste till finally something clicks and then they got it. BUT, don’t hold your breath cause that may not take effect for several days from now !

While I’m in agreement with th premise of your post, I just would like to add that those crazy Nazi doctors you mentioned (let me be a bit more specific here: Lenz, Verschuer amd Mengele) got most of their foundation for Eugenic correction from the Americans. I cite Margaret Sanger and her ilk and later some of them Cold Spring Harbor boys as their primary inspiration.

Do a research project on operation paperclip.

Ok, why don’t we start with the scientists that them Dulles boys brought over to Ft. Detrick, MD for biological weaponry research.
How ’bout some of Rheinhard Gaylen’s Eastern bloc boys that were slid into the OSS/CIA seemlessly. How ’bout the tact/spec help FDR’s grandson and BP got from our Kraut buddies when they overthrew Mossadegh. Want some more?

OY VEY !

I think there is some truth in what you are saying,or it might be that many doctors are just working their asses off because there isn’t any time for them to do anything else. It’s the government and the universities who direct money, time and resources toward research. How would a hard working family doctor be the blame if the Democrats want to push the tax payer money toward the research and use of embryonic stem cells?

Good reply Walter…there are two types of stem cell research going on. Most people don’t know it, but adult stem cell is approved by the pro-life Christians, but embryonic is not. Also, there is evidence that embryonic stem cells cause tumors. This should be a draw back for everyone not just pro-life Christians. If people would read up on an issue instead of letting the talking heads tell them what to think we would all be in a better position to have a real discussion. This entire article is about progress in adult stem cell research.

Amen! I have had a friend who has muscular abnormality where his body will not make distrophine (spelling is wrong), but with injections of adult stem cells taken from his sister’s period they have been able to grow muscle on him where no other procedure would work. It is still in it’s discovery phase but it looks promising. His body is now making it’s own distrophin and so the disease he did have is no longer the problem. Here is a case if we just got out of the road of ourselves we could make life so much better and bring back our economy and our health care services. Our government and all of the special interest groups will find a way to keep this from happening for all of us, and most of the reason will be because of greed.

Thank you, HRWG, for point out the difference in the types of stem cell research that are ongoing. I was remiss to include this in the introduction to this piece. I appreciate readers, like yourself, making helpful contributions to these pieces.

Come on Dr. Mark W. -
I’ve stood up for you and Dr,’s of your tribe, but, look, the body has with in itself, regenerative cells that if the person is healthy and able to recoup, any damage and loss can (with proper care) HEAL.
Now, don’t disappoint me and tell people here that the body needs a bunch of crap squirted in, upon or driven into itself to heal. It just shows a lack of understanding of the great recuperative potential within the human frame.
You need to study, through whatever resources you have at hand, unusual reviews of tremendous human healings and begin to figure, “That initiative, and ambition in the heart of that individual, is a potential that can be repeated 6 billion times – if needed.” Don’t kid yourself. Anybody in the healing professions is just helping a patient get something and some time together to regenerate and restore his or her own regenerative abilities to the point that they realize their restoration of health – while providing advice about what to do to get there. Any other “health” service – except nutrition, neurology or neuthetics – is a fraud. Why?

Healing happens in the mind. If not, the person doesn’t want it – just wants an excuse to be invalided. All caregivers gotta’ love ‘em into it. If it can’t be done, they don’t want health. That’s where O’Bomb’R'Care and it’s siblings will aways fail. It puts the onus on the outside of the patient.

P.S.: This realization makes being a “healer” a lot more rewarding and less stressful. DON’T LET ‘EM PUT IT ON YOU. The “Placebo Effect” is the greatest reality God ever established. AND, it’s the same, in the other direction, as the “Nocebo Effect”. Mark 11: 23-24 – “WHOSOEVER”.

Dr. Mark Wiley,

I have been interrested in the stem cell work for quite some time. I am against embrionic stem cell research but I am all for adult stem cell research. From what I havd seen and heard the adult research is showing way more positive results than the other so I’m for just dropping embreonic research and advancing the adult research. Christian values would be satisfied and the research could advance without hinderance !

HRWG, I agree completely with you, but the situation with embryonic stem cells is actually worse than you describe. In spite of huge sums of money spent on it, there has yet to be a single successful medical treatment developed from them, while there have been over 50 successful unique treatment techniques from adult stem cells going back at least 8 years. While not all embryonic stem cell treatments resulted in what would be fatal tumor growth, the majority did. The science, were the scientists to apply it, would lead to the unavoidable conclusion that embryonic stem cell treatments are a failure, and that cord stem cells are even more promising than adult stem cells, neither of which destroy human life or suffer from rejection issues. As a Christian, I have no fear of science, only of some scientists with non-scientific agendas.

So just how far will we go in order to make our own lives more pleasant? Will we increase the amount of abortions so we have a plentiful supply of cells? Will the government,as one czar has clearly stated,use their RIGHT to take our body parts after we die? Just how far should we push the envelope in order to make life for the living,or as liberals love to say…. life for those who lives hold value,more pleasant?

That’s where the misinformation part of this comes into play. The discoveries have not come from fetal stem cells. Most of it has come from adult stem cells, so no babies or parts of babies needs to be used. The infant stem cell research has gone no where. Supporting adult stem cell research will make it a mute point to continue infant stem cell research. Especially when looking at the success rates of one over the other. It’s all about the right communication and stopping the lame stream media and the Dumocrats for continuing the use of infant stem cells.

Kenneth, thank you also for pointing out that the content of this article is based on adult stem cell research… and that it should not be confused with fetal stem cell research. Excellent point of clarification that I was remiss to highlight.

Walter,
You seem to have the same problem that I do regarding this article. Though it spends a great deal of words “selling” the idea that back pain is not a good thing…OK… it completely fails to distinguish between the two types of stem cell research being conducted. No one has a problem with stem cell research. Those individuals and institutions that inherently respect life as the first importance and the quality of life as modifier of that life and, therefore, second in importance, do take exception to research that harvests from the first to satisfy the second. It is reverse thinking to pick the furnishings first and then go find a house.
When I first read this article, I thought it was written by some liberal organization whose focus was to produce an article that obscured the truth so as to make a point, much as the left wing media types are so skilled at doing. And now, after reading it again, I’m not sure that my assessment was inaccurate. At least there nothing in the article’s omission of all the facts that would suggest the author was committed to conveying the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So, God, please help him.

Dan az…you are allied w/ the rightwing that is blocking some stemcell research in this country…the left,who are usually condemned for being politically correct are not,so you’ve got it backwards. Thousands of frozen embryos used in fertility treatments are thrown in the trash every year when the conservatives get their way,as under Bush/Cheny.
Personally,I’m not all that comforfortable w/ all the technology we use to impregnate women,in a world where overpopulation is a clear and present danger,and millions of babies are orphans and starving as we continue w/ the baby factories.

Get your head out of the Democrat sand. There haven’t and still haven’t been any success with embryonic stem cells. It’s all been with adult stem cells, so the stance that the Democrats have been making about using embryonic stem cells is ridiculous. This argument about the use of embryonic stem cells just over shadows the success of the adult stem cells. Try and get your information from some where other then your lame stream media, and maybe you can come up to speed with real reality. If we all could move together with the success with adult stems cells than we could move into the actual use of the proven procedures with adult stem cells. Until those of you who want to stop playing politics with medical procedures, then we will just continue to spend valuable time, money and energy trying to move forward embryonic stem cells instead of moving forward with the success that is already occurring with adult stem cells.

So, according to you,it’s only Democratic researchers who want to use stem cells from embryos even though there is no need to use them. If adult stem cells are as good for the research then why would there have ever been a debate in the first place and why did Bush have to wade into the battle and stop any research on ebryonic stem cells using federal money or facilities? Why did no one ever short circuit the fight by stating what you did?

In other words,I don’t believe what you’re saying and can imagine you have a political agenda.

Kenneth,

Isn’t it amazing how so many seemingly intelligent humanbeings can read the same article and come away with a totally different take on what they just read. Sometimes I think it is because they read a word or two and get an idea in their head and seem to proceed with their own idea instead of reading the whole piece and knowing what they are talking about ! From there they will continue their rant forever and get way off the beaten path.
People this is dealing with ADULT STEM CELLS ONLY ! It seems so far to be the most promising !

Thank you for expressing your opinions here, we welcome them all. I aim to educate and inform people about health issues and solutions. Where topics require more information or background, such as where studies are involved, then I provide the relevant references. At the bottom of this article, you will find the references to the material presented herein. Politics do not drive my writing and so I have no agenda in my positions. Please do read the references, for more information on the research and its findings, should you care to know more.

Thank you please let me know ware to go for this cure ? I cant walk because of disk problems, when I lay down I can move my legs. but upright I dont have power. after dick surgery the scar tish grew and cut me off Please tell me ware I can go to be fixed. thank you

DR.

Excellent post. Thanks for the info. God Bless.

Walter,
I have four pins and screws in my back and if it meant that I could only be cured of this problem by the farming of embryonic stem cells then I will live with the pain the rest of my life by choice!!

Joe H

It is not cells from babies it is from adults. Alive adults such as yourself, in fact they may be able to do something with your own cells or those of a close relative ! I pray for a cure for you.

Granny Mae,
I know but there are so many here getting down on the religeous right, I had to post that!! I do hope though that they may be able to do something for me with my OWN stem cells!!! I just get sick of that stupid dennislo and his inane posts!!!

Joe H.

I know the feeling of living with constant pain and disabilities. I do to. I was thinking of asking my doctor if there might be some place I could go for help also. The bones in my feet and ankles are collapsing and there is nothing they can do for me. Sometimes the pain goes on for hours and my leg will just shake like crazy. It comes on in an instant and will go for what seems like forever and then all of a sudden it is gone just as quickly as it came. There is no medication for me so I just have to deal with it. I have found that praying the rosary helps get my mind off the pain and I can deal with it better. Also If I can get interrested in a movie or something that helps. It doesn’t go away but for some reason it becomes tollerable. The biggest problem is that I can’t sleep at times. I may go to sleep but then the pain starts and it wakes me and then I have to get out of bed so I don’t wake my husband. Oh well I will do what I can and leave the rest to the Lord ! I will keep you in my prayers.

If it is wrong to sacrifice one person’s life to extend another person’s life, you must also be opposed to war.

then you must be FOR the death penalty, right?

The death penalty neither extends or improves anyone’s life, it is strickly for punishment. One problem with the death penalty is the amount of people executed that were innocent. Incarcerating an innocent person for life is bad enough of a mistake, but killing them is far worse.

Kenny,
It neither extends or improves ones life?? Tell that th to cops that were kill a few months ago by a guy that SHOULD have gotten the death penalty!! Tell that to a woman that has been raped and the guy tells her he WILL be back. Take a look at what HER life is like after the guy gets out!!! Quit spreading the manure!!

Sorry Joe, a little misunderstanding here. By doing away with the death penalty, I didn’t mean let the perp out on the street. All death sentences should be enforced as life in prison with NO parole. How would you feel as a juror if you convicted an innocent person and they were executed? I’m all for taking dangerous people out of society with life in prison with NO parole. Killing a person is against the 10 commandments.