JeffH,

There you go again,with that chant.

It’s either that or Baa Baa Baa. Maybe he is a Tibetan monk.

and maybe you are a muslim dung kisser!!!

JLC,
I’d like to see him and Nobama serve two weeks on an active area of operation side-by-side!!! The squatter from whereever would be squatting to pee!!!

joeH, The first shot fired they’d probably sh*t they’re pants!!

Angel,
Yup, squat, crap, n run!!!

Liberals do not have the brain matter required to “grow up”.

I’m afraid he is ahead of you on this one Vigilante.

The only reason you think you two are “ahead” is that I’ve lapped you twice on the track and I’m coming up behind you to pass agin.

WIA,

Do you mean like the courage that George Vomit Bush SR shown?His father!

President George Vomit Bush’s visit to
Japan. The commentators were explaining that a major component of the
trade deficit was automobiles; imports from Japan are flooding the US market.He seal the deal,he puke on the Jap Prime Minster.That beats that draft dodging son of his,George Scab Bush JR.
They then broke for a commercial – for Mitsubishi cars.

WIA
If he had any , he’d have to return them as they wouldn’t be his!!!

Yeah here we go again with that regurgitated worthless argument. Even the intelligence community tells us that no good information ever comes from torturing as they will admit to anything and everything they can think of. Aren’t we supposed to be better than that. I don’t want to live at your level.

Eric, get with the program, officials only tell you what you wanna hear!_-They’ll do what they want!

Eric,
Rising to the level of a patriotic American would require an immense effort on your part, not unlike landing on the moon.
“One small step for a conservative… one giant leap for a liberal…”.

Michael J
Not bad!

JeffH
See I learn something every day here So its all true.

WIA,
I think I’d prefer him in between them and me!!!

WIA
Please dont forget go —- yourself.I get a laugh each time dont stop know.

JoeH, Trump has a good mind for business, but the way he goes through women, if he were President, he’d end up like clinto did, caught with his pants down__literally!!!__lol

Angel,
You’re right about Trump. He goes through woman like prune juice.
But seriously though, he’d be better than what we got now. Come to think of it, Barney Fife would be better than what we got now.

Michael J,__ Yepper, even with his buggy eyes!__LOL

There you go again. Worrying who has their pants down and loving it.Instead of worrying about the insane wars we get ourselves into. Sex or dead American soldiers?? To you that is an easy one! Hang Clinton on sex and turn it into a tabloid story / Ignore the false reasons for war and help cover it up with false patriotism.

Eddie47d,
It’s not the wars we get ourselves into that is a problem. It’s the fact that the progressive liberals with their political correctness rantings won’t allow us to prosecute them WW11 style. The limp wristed lefties demand a kinder, gentler fighting fashion with designer rules of engagement whose tactics are laughable and enable our enemies who consider us a soft target because of them.

And then there’s the media and politicians who never miss a chance to denograte the president or our troops while they are trying to defeat the enemy.

The blood of all war dead on both sides of the conflict in Iraq and Afganistan is not only on the the hands of Saddam Hussein and the terrorist, but also on the hands of the indigenous left wing zealots in this country who by their actions prolong the conflict and cause more casualties on both sides.

And why do you still protect Clinton so much? Is there a stained blue dress in your closet as well?

Wow! Another disgusting patriotic Conservative American.

no, coal dunger is a progressive liberal!!!

“I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

Barry Goldwater, 1964, a true patriot!

Prehaps he needs the credit of an attack on the US to show the world he is incapable.. Or maybe an attack on our soil is just what he is looking for.. I think the latter is on target.. He needs it and wants it.

Raggs,

We’ve already been attacked, at Fort Hood, and it was political correctness that caused it. Do you remember Obama’s first words? “Let’s not jump to conclusions.” Good God!

It takes too much wet rawhide to wrap someone up. Just use a thong about their throats. A lot of Indians used that to good purpose.

45Caliber — The hide is reusable and the thong might not be. It ain’t easy getting a knot OUT of rawhide.

45caliber, Plains Indians and Southwest Indians had our own way of Water-Boarding, take an animal stomach, make it into a water bag , stake the bastards “spread eagle” on the ground “faceup” and let a drop hit the nose or below the chin and watch the bastards slowly die or spill the beans. Or even better bury the bastards in the ground near Red Fire ant hills they either talk or die. Terrorist and traitors to our Republic deserve no less.

Oh, some of my ancestors were Cherokee and Iraquoi. The Iraquoi were quite good at it and the Cherokee wasn’t bad.

Lenape here_45

Staking is kiddie play. Take a loser, such as any liberal, cut them several thousand times with a razor blade. Dunk them in a vat of vinegar. Then proceed to roll them in salt. Then take a baseball bat and break every bone in their body. Then stick them in a huge microwave. If they do not talk, no biggie, it was just a loser liberal.

Gotta love ya Craig. The voice of Conservatism and ya do a damn good job!!

Craig,
Vinegar? Salt? Sounds like a recipe for how to pickle a liberal.
Something tells me that “Picalosi’s” wouldn’t be a top seller even at Walmart.

Wrap it up coal miner, The Bush smear is dead horse__try another tactic!

Angel,

Here is what 61 percent of historians said about George Scab Bush JR.

Asked to rank the presidency of George W. Bush in comparison to those of the other 41 American presidents, more than 61 percent of the historians concluded that the Bush presidency is the worst in the nation’s history. Another 35 percent of the historians surveyed rated the Bush presidency in the 31st to 41st category, while only four of the 109 respondents ranked the current presidency as even among the top two-thirds of American administrations.This no smear,but the sober truth.

coal miner, Thanks but, Frankly, I’m not swayed by polls, percentages of people that say “no”, and I could care less what other folks think about G. Bush__ I’m a 54 year Conservative m’friend, beent through alot of stuff myself__ and to my way of thinking, when your in office of that magnatude, I’d imagine theres some pretty tough decisions to make!__Now with all due respect, the POTUS is a figure head, he’s the one out in front, taking all the glory and the Bullsh*t,!__While the Congress and upper echelon tell him what they’re gonna do, NO ONE PERSON RUNS THIS COUNTRY!!!__If he did he’d be King!__-C’MON!!!!!

coal dung,
those are opinions and opinions are like azzholes, everybody has one!! Then there’s you who ARE one!!!

Angel,

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/07/nations…

coal miner thanks for the link, but Progressive links don’t have any affect on me, I have tunnel vision when it comes to The Country I call America__and to my way of thinking it goes something like this__We Have the “GOD” given rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, wether you accept it or not is your choice_____Be respectful and pledge allegiance to the flag___At least once a day, Humble yourself & Bow your head in prayer__Adhere to the Constitution we were given by the Founders___If Ya wanna live, eat and have shelter here__then work for it,__ If family and friends need help, help them the best you can__Be charitable & Tithe__Realize that bad weather falls on the just and the unjust, theres such a thing a s hand up, welfare is not meant to be a way of life!___ Honor our Military___ Call a spade a spade whether it hurts or not, tell the truth, none of this PC crap!!!___Trust, but verify!!!__To thine own self be true!!___We are individuals first, together we form a union, which is ONE NATION UNDER GOD!___

Angel Wannabe,
Watch coal dungers links as some of them make your computer light up like a red light district warning of a possible virus!

Thanks JoeH, I only click on links from people I regularly talk to here, like you jeffh, raggs, 45___Progressive links won’t change my mind, so I don’t bother clicking on them.

More ignorance!

Face it David, you are a liberal hack.

DavidL, Speak for yourself.

Michael (and Teresa),

1. I am who I say I am. I don’t lie. I fought in Vietnam from 1967 – 1968. Don’t ever question my integrity again. I never questioned yours.

2. You missed my point. I didn’t say we should not torture because it will guarantee other nations will not. I said we shouldn’t engage in it because under the international rules of war it is illegal. It is the law. You may not like that. I may not like that. But until the law is changed, we are obligated to follow it in good faith. Don’t you agree with this? If not, then you are an anarchist.

3. I also said that if we torture, those fighting against us would be unwilling to surrender. THIS COSTS LIVES! Don’t you understand this?

4. I don’t care whether a terrorist animal tortures. If they do, they should be hunted down and taken out. But we as Americans hold ourselves to a different and higher standard, don’t we? And the overwhelming nations of the world who have bound themselves to the conventions against torture DON’T TORTURE.What does it say to the rest of the world if the leader of the free world breaks the law and tortures? It says that everybody can torture. Is that in the interest of our country and the young men and women in uniform? Do you understand that?

5. Your opinion on torture (Weekly Standard) is disputed by years and years of practice and international legal opinion. Torture does not work! It is illegal! It is immoral! Is that the best you have, the Weekly Standard? Talk about naive.

5. Please tell me you are a US combat veteran so we can sit down and have a beer together. Are you a veteran? Did you put your life on the line for others?

6. Teresa: God bless the veterans in your family. But ask them if they think torture is okay and if water boarding is torture. Unless I’m sadly mistaken, they will agree with me and the (UCMJ) Uniform Code of Military Justice which expressly defines and prohibits torture.

7. If you think what President Bush faced was worse than what was faced during WWII, Korea, Vietnam, then I strongly suggest that you read our history over again. That rationalization you are offering doesn’t pass the smell test.

DavidL,
You are a phoney, if you had actually served, you would know that non-uniformed combatants are not covered by the Geneva Convention.

Once again you don’t know what you are talking about. You are a punk and a waste of time talking to. As the comedian says, “you can’t fix stupid.” And to think I paid my taxes to help educate you. I hope you don’t have children. Their are enough morons in the world.

Enjoy your ignorance!

DavidL,
You are fooling no one.

100% agree! The Geneva Convention does do that. Good job! We veterans know the DavidL couldn’t have served. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

DavidL
I have eighteen months of my own over there. I also know for FACT that the geneva convention only covers the signers of it with the countries that also signed. I also know that a combatant that wears no uniform is considered a spy and can be shot without trial! I saw the effects of victor charles’s practices with a couple of our troops and it ain’t a pretty sight! I also saw the aftereffects of them finding a candy wrapper in a hootch and what they did to a pregnant woman. wonderful people the VC! to this day, I’d still like to do away with all of the VC! don’t preach to anyone about your bonifides when your first concern isn’t for THIS country and THESE people! All else comes in second!!!

Michael J. Yes he served, he was helping Jane Fonda.

Samurai; So what’s new? You call everyone you don’t agree with a liar. You just can’t accept a liberal who has served. That is why you come across as a blind patriot. You are not for Country, but Self with your staged replies. Stand tall David L.

DavidL, Did you serve alongside John Kerry?

Proud to be a Christian____Hear, Hear!!!

In God we trust, now pass the ammunition.

Eric, The phrase goes “Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition”!

Proud,

What Obama did was much worse than apologize. He telegraphed his intentions to pull out of Afghanistan, AND PROVIDED A TIME LINE FOR WITHDRAWAL!

Karzai is now negotiating with the Taliban and Iran because he knows he can’t depend on the US as a steadfast ally, and when we withdraw (on schedule), he’s dog meat unless he can curry favor with these terrorist bastards.

In the meantime, US forces are put into deep jeopardy, and more will die because of Obama’s “academic” mishandling of the war. Most tragic of all, you would have thought we’d learned something from the Viet Nam debacle (about trying to run a war from Washington, DC), but we didn’t.

TELL him, Angel!!!

Angel Wannabe, He has his Head up his “Como Se Llama” and that means “pleasure torture.”

Michael J
We could only hope!

JeffH,

Stop those Satanic chants,you are scaring everybody.

Coal dung,
I hope for youe sake Nobummer doesn’t make a quick stop! If he does, he’s gonna need surgery to remove your lips from his colon!!!

JoeH, ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!OMG TOO FUNNY!

OMG! Very funny, fellow patriot! I needed the good laugh! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Speaking of being scared, don’t you melt away when the sunlight shines on you after you crawl out of cave.

JEFFh, he probably doesn’t not melt, but I’ll bet the flies scatter!

AWB, they must be “shoo” flies then.

JeffH, OMG__ats’ alotta sheep dip!!__as you say Baaaaaaa_baaaa!__LOL

Angel willbe
thanks for your thoughts

Thats a Fact!

…Or even worse torture: force them to listen to left wing propaganda for 24/7. Olbermann or Maddow would do the trick.

How about setting them up on blind dates with Hillary, Nancy, ro Barney? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai,
wooo dam!!! Just the thought, I give up, what do you wanna know??? See torture DOES work!!!

samurai
Please stop there needs to be a law against that one thats just plain cruel.

Kinetic1,
More powerful motivators than the threat of death? I doubt it.

Also, the Japanese used salt water when water boarding which can and did cause death unlike the technique used against the terrorist.

MichaelJ, the Japs also used bamboo shoots on our soldiers, under the fingernails, left them there, and when they wanted more info, pushed them in a little farther under!!!_-Water boarding a war criminal??__If I were a prisoner of war, and made it through water boarding, I’d be glad I didn’t drown!!

Thank you Angel, I am aware of that, as a matter of fact bamboo under the fingernail torture was more widely discussed than waterboarding at the time.

Michael J. – You sound like you know all about the Japanese water-boarding torture techniques…were you there? Did you have to endure the water-boarding torture at the hands of the Japanese? Or are you just guessing, or going by what some far-right website (aside from this one…or maybe even this one) has told you? Just curious.

As well, did you also know that, under Baby Bush’s watch, there were American soldiers tortured…by other American soldiers…?

But, please…don’t take my word for it. Look into it yourself. Apparently, over 25,000 cases of this have occurred since 2001, after the 9/11 incident. I’m sure, *as a true patriot*, this would probably infuriate you as much as it does me, regardless of political leanings.

Dogma, do yourself a favor and read some history___I’ll bet you think that the war under Bush was the only war, where stuff went horribly wrong__or They’re was friendly fire___ORmen just snapped on the battlefield___ What you Progressives are looking for is someone to blame__Bush has been and easy target and quite frankly you Progressives are worse now, since ya lost 680 seats in last weeks election_-I’m gonna tell you the same thing you shoved in our Conservative face___GET OVER IT__WE WON!!

Dogma-Free,
You, of course had no way of knowing but will soon find out that you have bitten off a little more dog biscuit than you can probably chew.

First off, I wasn’t standing next to Neil Armstrong in the Sea of Tranquility when he stepped off the Lunar Lander either, but I’m pretty sure it happened.

Just so we get this straight, are you saying that the Japanese did not use salt water waterboarding on American POW’s?

As far as American soldiers being tortured by other American soldiers goes and if I’m correctly sifting through the progressive spin machine, I beleive you are referring to SERE, Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape used to train American service personel to among other things resist the interogation technique of waterboarding.
The only thing that infuriates me about the estimated 40,000 servicemen and woman who have endured this test of mind and body fortitude for god and country, is that they seem to be overshadowed by the three waterboarded terrorist whose intent was to kill us.

For your information, SERE was initiated long before the two terms that George W. Bush proudly served, without even one subsequent sucessful terrorist attack I might add.

Now that I’ve cleaned your clock you will pause, lick your wounds, google a few stats in a desperate attempt at a rebuttal. Once you come to the realization that your position is indefensible, you will simply come back with the progressive default mantra about how I’m just an uneducated rightwinger typing away with one finger in a trailer some place in the deep south.

Well said MichaelJ!!!

The President has nothing but my respect for doing what was right in war times to save American lives. Bush put OUR country first, while you and our current President sit and judge him for his actions he will not even say the words terrorist or denounce jihad as the terrorist that they are. How dare you sit there and put down these actions when our soldiers have had their heads chopped off, and our President will not even stand and say jihad is a terrorist form of Muslims and Bush waterboarded 3 known terrorist that brought down top known terrorist and their plots!
Incredible! Who do you stand for???????

Teresa,
I recognize and applaud (and support) your passion for the defense of our country. But as a fellow citizen and US combat veteran, I have to tell you that the issue is more complicated that just accepting general patriotism.

1. International law, and by Article 6 of our Constitution (Supremacy clause), our domestic law forbids the use of torture. Water boarding IS torture. All Presidents up to Clinton followed the law. They recognized it as torture, and they did not authorize it. President Bush did (He just admitted it again while trying to sell his book.) President Obama also recognizes it as torture and, once again, has prohibited its use. The fact that President Bush asked a lawyer for a legal OPINION is irrelevant. Why? Because the lawyer’s opinion was wrong. If a lawyer tells you it’s okay to rob a bank, is it okay? Of course not.

2. Torture does not work! There is nothing more unreliable than a forced confession. I was trained by our military how to resist and lie my way out of torture if possible. I can get you to admit to the killing of JFK and M.L. King in five minutes. (It doesn’t matter whether you were old enough.) I’ll get you to say it. People will say anything to stop the torture.

3. Through Bush Administration torture policy, no valuable intelligence was gotten and no lives were saved. The valuable intelligence and lives saved were gotten through the legal and accepted practices of interrogation.

4. If we torture, they torture. Do we want our soldiers, men and women, subjected to this? Let those who will break the international law rules of war do so at their peril. The US does not!

5. If I am in a combat situation and my enemy knows that I torture, he is going to fight on longer and harder. I would. That ensures more American causalities and deaths. (When I was overseas and in combat, I vowed to myself that I would not be taken alive.)

Again, I respect and accept the fact that you love our country. So do I. But we all have to love and support our country with intelligence and not blind partisan loyalty which ends up turning our country into something we don’t want.

DavidL,
I beleive you are an imposter. Your words do not have the aire of an individual who has faced the white hot lead of a fire fight.
And what childish naivety to suggest that if we refrain from torture then so will our enemies.
As for the effectiveness of waterboarding, read my post below to Jopa.

How many presidents prior to Bush were placed in the situation of us being attacked on our own soil for us to use this tactic?
You may or may not be who you say you are but this much I will tell you. My father served on the USS Enterprise as well as my 10 uncles and I am the great, great niece of Sgt. York…so if I show passion it is because I do w/nothing but respect for the ones who put their lives at risk every day for US to lie down every night in a free nation. I find it funny that so many Americans can talk so much about how we should show tolerence for the terrorist rights while so many of OUR own have lost their lives…their heads cut off, their bodies tortured, their children left w/o partent, w/o children….but as long as we follow a law in war times not to water board….PLEASE! They attack us, if I were President..I would have done worse with no remorse!

T Teresa……Sgt. York? WOW! He is my Hero without a doubt!! I wonder what he would think about Americans today? Soft? Petty?Foolish? Childish? Self-absorbed? Plainly naive? Dependent?

I also wonder what he would have done to the terrorists to get intel? Ouch! Boy would it be ugly! I personally would have NO PROBLEM stomping a mudhole in their arses big enough to parallel park an 18 wheeler in it.

Yes, it is sad indeed. We have the reunions couple times a yr. still over in Jamestown. You can visit the website of Jamestown and you will see why he loved it so much, beautiful country. I do find it sad that todays society is so worried about being politically correct or their tolerence, it makes me sick..instead of worried about OUR safety and OUR rights!

Teresa, you go girl!!!!!!!

DavidL,
you want to talk of torture?? Just ask any POW from VietNam what they endured! Arms stretched out of their sockets made to kneel with a rod behind the knees, legs broken and alowed to mend out of place, lowered into pits of excrement that have leeches in it, and worse!! Some of those would have welcomed waterboarding as when it’s over, it’s over! Some of the effects of what they went through are still there!! THAT’S torture!! They were experts at it!!

DavidL
You were not in nam where you?During that campaign the form of our interrogations where held in a helicopter high above the ground when they didnt answer the question they went for a walk with the last guy.But you would know that if you where there would’nt you?

Kinectic__I’m glad your not working to keep us safe, cuz with your wimpy methods of interogation, we’d be dead years ago.__treat a prisoner kindly, who just as soon, lop someones head off while wailing AALAH!!_-No wonder were in trouble.

Yep!