Would that we could all think as a child.

Boy that is the understatement of the century!

You don’t know me at all. Who are you to judge me?

K, you do a pretty fair job of judging others yourself.
Do you consider yourself “Self-righteous”?

Jeffh…She does as well as all other progressive-marxist. “Do as I say, not as I do”. Rules for us as to how to live and what to do with our hard earned money but they hold themselves exempt to their concepts and rules for their fellow man. They preach and bitch alot but do nothing or have no real solutions to anything. They are best at LIVING FREELY at OUR expense.

Karolyn,

Don’t pay any attention to JeffH.Do you know he belongs to the Joy of Satan.Be careful about that chant of his.When he chants,you better look out.It sound like this. Baaaahhhh Baaaahhh.He could put a curse on you and you could laugh yourself to death.A horrible way to die.Grusome,to say the least.He sounds like a goat.Baaahhh Bahhhaaa. The goat is the symbol of the Devil.Beware! Ha Ha Ha

coal dunger, I see you’ve strayed from your dark, dank cave to inject a little humor into the fray…even made me chuckle. Thanks!

JeffH,
I see coal dunger is putting the boots on his hands again!!!

Karolyn;Ididn’t Judge you;You Described Yourself,Your beliefs,And Priorities.And I Described Mine.You Also said that some young girls You Watched Over didn’t Prostitute their Bodies for Marijuana.So Are saying your mind is not a part of your body?If So I say It Is The most valuable part,of our body.”A MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE”You could be the nicest person,With good Intentions.But the Pathway to Hell,Is Paved with good Intentions.Jimmy Joe/”The Liarfryer”

A big reason Prop. 19 didn’t pass is because the big growers, illegal sellers and medical marijuana entrepreneurs fought hard against it. The former two didn’t want to pay taxes or be subject to regulation (many currently make hundreds of thousands of tax-free dollars, pay no income tax and even collect unemployment) and the latter enjoys a monopoly selling marijuana legally through storefront dispensaries.

Probably because all the sane people voted against it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Would it be okay for employers to fire employee for being drinkers as long as they didn’t drink on the job?

I hope you’re consistent because if Prop. 19 would’ve passed, both smoking marijuana and drinking alcohol (off the job, of course) would have been equally legal under state law.

Historian,
Right now the airlines can and do fire pilots that come in with any level of alcohol in their system! They are not supposed to drink for a period of time before a flight. I believe it is 24 hours!

Of course they can fire them for coming in under the influence and they should. I didn’t mean to imply that people can drink (or smoke) up until the point they walk in the door to work. I don’t know of anyone who would argue that such a situation would be appropriate.

The situation I’m describing is one in which employers can fire an employee for having used alcohol or marijuana days or weeks ago. They can tell based on the evidence of lingering non-psychocative metabolites in the user’s body. THC metabolites stay in the body for up to 30 days, so it’s very easy to see if someone has consumed cannabis in the recent past.

Similarly, liver tests can be conducted on drinkers to see if they’ve drank in the past weeks, but they generally aren’t done.

DaveH, I’m pretty disgusted with California and Californians as you well know. I voted for Prop 19 and thought it would pass, but then again, I voted against the liberals here and lost that one too. One can only conclude that Californians, just the majority, are really a pack of morons. They didn’t pass an $18 DMV fee for “free” state park usage and they didn’t pass the pot initiative but they keep voting for the thieves.
Go figure!

That is sick!! They’d probably do something like that where I live in rural SC. As a matte of fact, they probably have, from the stories I’ve heard. I too would rather associate with the druggies than these sick creeps. The power-hungry cops don’t give a crap as long as they “get their man” even if it’s only for a small amount of drugs.

Karolyn….. The “Power hungry COPS”, as you put it, are doing THEIR job and that is to protect us from people who DO NOT obey OUR laws. If you like a law, then get the Law changed but don’t blame the fine men and women who protect and serve us.

Did you watch the video? Was all of that necessary to arrest one man with his wife and child in the house? They didn’t have to shoot the dog. All it was doing was barking. I don’t know about where you live, but here the cops do whatever they want if they don’t like you, including arresting a woman who was just raped and beaten by her husband because he was dealing pot. Is that right? I’m not saying all cops are bad, but many of them sure have big egos and love to throw their weight around.

Karolyn….Your problem seems to be with any type authority. I see this all the time with the pot smoking crowd. Problem is, you create problems for others and then you complain about it? How convenient! You live and exist at the expense of others….how convenient!

Example: You owned and operated an antique business in PA that went bankrupt but you end up in SC on welfare? How convenient! When you people start taking repsonsibility for YOUR drug habits then we can have an open and honest discussion about legalizing it. Until that happens, and since I am one of the many who suffers financially from other folks BAD and irresponsible drug behavior, then, I don’t think so.

I DO NOT enjoy doing the right things and being responsible for my actions only to be penalized for others folks foolishness. When this country finally GROWS UP and understands that people must be held accountable for BAD behavior, then, nothing will change. It’s time to put the touchy-feely foolish progressive mentality behind us and get about the business of repsonsible behavior and I do not think smoking POT will produce those desired results.

I do the right things also, Nightmare. But I have to put up with gestapo tactics enabled by the do-gooders like yourself. I have to put up with suspension of my fourth-amendment rights. I have to put up with drug lords and gangs enabled by your control fetish. Without the control of the blind right-wingers, the price of drugs would plummet and with them most of the drug-related crimes which happen because the high prices of drugs drive the junkies to commit them to support their habits. The control freaks in our society pass the laws of unintended consequences and the worst segment in society gets enriched – the drug lords. And money is power. Thanks.
We can see Mexico, our neighbor, getting ravaged by the fruits of your folly. Have the drug wars been successful? No. But they have been successful in allowing Big Government to grow larger and ignore certain Constitutional rights.
I was in high school in the sixties before the drug wars started and most of my friends and classmates were oblivious to drugs. Thanks to your fellow control freaks, they were given free publicity and people that never before even thought of doing drugs started experimenting.
The “authorities” handed the teenagers a whole new toy with which to flaunt them.
Did you even read about Portugal? There were all the same apocolyptic warnings there when legalization was being considered. It didn’t pan out. Given the choice in polls to go back to prohibition, the majority of Portuguese choose not to.

Daveh….and you are not a do-gooder yourself? You stated that you do the right things so are you a do-right-thinger? What is the difference? And on who’s measure is the right things to do, yours or do you get that behavior from a higher being? Just curious?

Who said I personally supported the suspension of you fourth amendment rights? You assume much but understand very little.

My control fetish? Without the control of drugs, a very dangerous substance, that would make YOUR world better? All the drug lords would magically dissapear? Your kidding, correct? You also ASSUME that cheaper drugs would mean less usage or less crime? I’m sure if we put our trusted government with an 11% approval rating in charge of drug dealing, then that would magically fix the problem.

Control freaks passing laws of unintended consequences? So let me see if I understand this concept of yours. Let’s legalize drugs so they can be available to all at a much cheaper price and the drug lord will no longer get enriched? Then I assume that the local LEGAL market drug dealer will get enriched? Or do you assume this harmful substance will no lonber be a DRUG once legalized therefore we can call them happy stuff-legal dealers. That sounds logical to me!

Matter of fact, let’s place a HUGE consuption tax on the product so that will encourage the tax and spend liberals to promote drug usage in our schools! The more DOPE we smoke the more tax revenue it produce for those VERY TRUSTWORTHY folks in Washington. Well, wait a minute, that want work because then DRUGS will no longer be cheap, correct? The heck with our kids as long as it is legal and the RIGHT people get enriched, correct? Maybe your libertarian friends in congress or do you have someone else in mind? Thanks!

Mexico getting ravaged by the fruits of MY folly? Well, I didn’t know I had that much control over the folks in the backward country of Mexico. Let’s see, I placed controls on DRUGS and Mexico has suffered from all their THUG drug dealing. Makes sense to me! APN made them do it! Where does your extraordinary assumptions of personal repsonsibility fit into this picture?

Have the drug wars been successful? Well, it depends on your unit of measure and the measure applied to the effort. Do you think the effort has been sufficient to solve the problem? What constitutional right do you have to smoke dope and endanger the lives of other law abiding people? Or maybe you are suggesting that we have NO LAWS of
the land and all of us can just live FREELY no matter how it negatively affects others? That should fix it!

I was in high school in the 60′s and 70′s and we didn’t have the first control free speak to us about drugs. It showed up from the great and foolish state of California via the Hell’s angles.

So, using your logic, it was the control freeks or the “authorities” that created this rampant drug problem in America. Makes sense to me! Again, how does your extraordinary assumptions of personal responsibility and FREEDOM fit into this picture? Sounds pretty darn chaotic and dangerous to me.

Now, something eludes me here. Given that California is a predominantly liberal-progressive state, then why did the measure fail? Are the dope smokers to stupid or too lazy to vote? If so, how does YOUR extraordinary assumptions of legalization fit into this picture? You seem to fail to understand the basic concepts of drug addiction and the resulting consequences of a FAKE attempt by congress to address the problem. Legalizing it will do nothing but increase it’s usage and do further damage to our children’s future.

Daveh, I’m sure you have good intentions but legalizing drugs is a bad idea and YOUR “unintended consequences” will make those you assert at us so called “Do-gooders”, look like a cake walk.

DaveH,
I think you slipped a little about your highschool days. See the 60s were the free love flower children days. Pot use was rampant. Matter of fact, most of your progressive liberals are left-overs from those days. I too went to highschool in the sixties and I had several friends that smoked pot. I watched them go from dam good grades to barely passing over a period of a few months! I went in the army in 1968 and there were a lot of potheads in the service and a lot of them were given the choice of jail or discharge, then they went to treatment!

Joe….same here. I had several friends in HS that had VERY HIGH IQ’s and placed in the top 2 percentile of the class. Once they started smoking POT the grades when into the tank….Dumber than a box of rocks and lazy as a snail. A very close friend of mine was very intelligent and was the starting QB on our football team. He started smoking dope after football season our junior year and dropped out our senior year. These are just a few of the casulties I have personally witnessed in my lifetime. We lost several, DEAD and 6 foot under. This little innocent “Herb” as these potheads call it, is the GATEWAY to HELL.

DaveH…I agree with over 95% of your comments but I could not disagree with you more on this subject. If you had dealt with the POT related problems of the masses that I have, then you may change you opinion. Bad stuff is an understatement and the last thing we need is legal market access by the masses. Why would you want to legitimize drug use and how would this solve our drug problems in America?

We already have “legal access” to marijuana in California. We have for over 14 years and the sky has not fallen (yet, teenage marijuana use rates have).

Actually, the entire US has access to pure THC capsules (prescription Marinol) and THC’s lack of toxicity or addictiveness has lead to it being down-scheduled from a Class II drug (alongside cocaine and methamphetamine–both prescribable drugs) to a Class III drug (alongside codeine).

Do a quick Google search and read up before saying things that just aren’t factual.

Historian,
They have access to it only if they convince their Dr. to prescribe. You make it sound like they can walk into any convenient store and buy it!!

Joe, marijuana can be recommended for any condition (however minor) here in California. The newspapers are replete with doctors specializing in medical cannabis. Many don’t even make a person pay unless they qualify for medical marijuana.

ANYONE CAN GET A RECOMMENDATION!

The comedian Seth Rogan was on TV Monday night talking about how he walked into one of these places and got a recommendation because he had a condition called “I have no weed on me.”

That said, many, many ill people benefit from medical marijuana, but many others just use it as an excuse to get legal marijuana. Still, no one here seems to care because it isn’t causing any significant problems and (according to polls conducted after Prop. 19 failed with 46%) over half of citizens think it should be legalized generally (they just didn’t like the terms of Prop. 19).

Progressive, you said “pot related problems of the masses?” My goodness, that sounds like a pretty big position to be in. So you have dealt with 1000s?

DaveH,

You are right.I am for legalising drugs, prostitution and gambling.

http://www.weeklyblitz.net/181/legalizing-drugs-and-prostitution

Some common ground, Miner. I agree, there should be no such things as victimless crimes.

DaveH and Coal Miner, I agree with you both. it says in the bible all the plants or herbs on earth are for man. I’m paraphrasing. this is a win for the drug cartels, our Govt., big pharma etc. follow the money. I remember not to long ago you could buy codeine cough syrup, opium tincture in Ariz.in the pharmacy without a note from a doctor. read Ron Paul’s book; Revolution: A Manifesto. he covers the Fed. Reserve, drugs etc. I’m sure you read it DaveH.

jimmy joe,
Nah, the Hahvahd that won’t release the records of a certain drug selling almost professor!!! Guess who? his name starts with Nobama!!

vicki,
yet each year the number of teenage alcoholics rises!!! They’re not 21, how could that be???

The same way it was in prohibition. If you wanted alcohol you got it. The same way it is now for marijuana. If you want it age is no barrier.

Yes Bud, but human nature is human nature. I say again, why would we want to add to our problems?

I can offer no immediate proof, but I would be willing to bet a year of my Social Security checks that legalization would increase the number of highway and other deaths related to pot smoking. Do you imagine it would decrease or remain the same?

For my money, all those in the above categories of abusers ahould be more harshly dealt with than they are. MADD has been successful to some extent in reducing drunk driving incidents because they were instrumental in the passage of more Draconian laws.

Texters, more dangerous than drunk drivers, should have their vehicle impounded and their licenses suspended or revoked for engaging in such socially jeopardous behavior. I watch those idiots every day on cell phones while driving, knowing that if they are caught on a “sweep,” they will merely pay a fine and go right back to violating the law.

Keeping pot illegal reduces the chances of such abuse.

Bud…..Well, do you consider people who willingly drug their brains with THC to be responsible people? Would you willingly allow a person who smokes dope to babysit your children or manage your business? Would you trust a man that smokes dope to be alone with your wife or would your consider that person to be dangerous? I have a personal experience with many who have smoked POT and they will opening tell you that when HIGH ON POT their was absolutely NOTHING that they feared or would not try….i.e.; GATEWAY to BAD BEHAVIOR and POOR JUDGEMENT resulting in personal injury or worse.

I think the point here is that there is NOTHING positive to be gained with legalizing pot and to do so will only INCREASE the amount of people who would use the drug. It basically legitimizes drug use.

Maybe EDUCATING our children on the FACTS of the adverse affects of drug use is the answer? Maybe having old farts like me come in talk about example after example of the negative consequences POT will have on a person’s life may help a bit. Or maybe having a few of those I have helped get off the drug stand up and state VERY clearly how a “Simple Drug”, like pot, basically ruined any chance in life they may have had at making a difference in this world.

Bottom line, personal responsibility has to be taught at a VERY young age and it will require the combined efforts of both parents and teachers, with a SOBER mind, to get us passed this continual nightmare of the 60′s progressive dope smoking woodstock era.

Good comments and good advice. Let’s hope someone listens.

Teach the children in the way they should go,And they will not depart from It.It Is Because We Let Drug,Sex,And Rock&Roll,Marxist Communist,Socialist,Pedophile,Liberal Indoctrination centers,Media,And Their Court Jester Entertainers Teach,Our Children,And Not Good Parenting Skills,Based On Truth,Equality, Justice Character,Honor,Courage,Self,Reliance,And Personal Responsibility,According to Natures Law,And Natures God,That Endowed to Us these things,To Pass On,To Future Generations.

I agree!

Well Then.Would You Mind Wearing A sign That Says Danger,Keep Away From Children.Or Maybe you Also Believe Like Barack Obama In His Own Words,He Would Like To See For Some Senior Citizens,And Or The Mentally,Or Physically Dis-Abled,To Just Take A Pill,And Die,For The Good Of the Collective(POPULATION EXPLOSION)And To Relieve The Financial Burden Of Family.Using Guilt By Government Bureaucrats.To Commit Genocide,And Promote Suicide.Like Kathleen(JEFFERY DAHMER)Sebellius.And Hillary(NO PARENTAL RIGHTS)Clinton.Both Have The Same Obsessions With Others Peoples Children,That Bill Clinton,And Ted Kennedy’s Obsessions With Other Peoples Women.

We really do have to keep an eye on the supplement situation. The EU has made many natural remedies only available through prescription, thereby closing small business and streaming the money into the pockets of the bigger companies and doctors. Some are saying it might happen here. That is one thing I will fight for tooth and nail when it comes down to it.

vicki,

“For a truly free people the possession of ANYTHING that they worked for, grew, created can NOT be illegal. It is truly sad that so few conservatives here seem to see that and are quite willing to allow the government to tell us that we can’t possess marijuana.”

You either believe in the Constitutional rule of law or you don’t. Conservatives respect it, apparently you don’t. The singularly egotistic idea that ANYTHING you do or produce can not be illegal is the 60s flower child expression of “if it feels good, do it.”

Illicit designer drug labs produce dangerously addictive substances, and under your view of freedom, it should be legal because someone worked for, produced it. There’s a reason we have laws; and you are not advocating libertarianism, you advocate anarchy. Wake up.

Was it the government or “the will of the people” who voted down the proposition on Nov 2? Does the will of the majority only count when government defies it, and not count when it opposes something you want?

Vigilant writes:
“You either believe in the Constitutional rule of law or you don’t. Conservatives respect it, apparently you don’t.”

I just re read the Constitution from cover to cover and I STILL did not find anywhere that the Federal Government was granted the power to tell me I could or could not grow a plant and or consume it.

And in spite of that you dare to accuse me of not respecting the concept of Constitutional rule of law?

Well at least you can take solace that I will still stand with you when the FedGov tries to make taking vitamins illegal. I was raised to do what is right because it is right not because of some reward.

No, not until you’ve washed your hands.

OK.

Bob, I just LMAO.. Too Funny!!!

….and…. we need to cut off these lazy progressive pot heads in California and give them a pathway to bankruptcy. They made their bed so let them sleep in it. That is the ONLY way these people will ever learn that life is not FREE at the cost of those who are sober and work for a living.

And please do cut off funding all these welfare cases.

Hey. Good point. We should get marijuana legal in both the left and right coasts (preferably high democrat concentrations) so they will all get too stoned to care about voting.

(No it won’t really work but it was an amusing thought)

APN,
My wife said it’s a good thing they didn’t offer snacks at the polls in California or we wouldn’t be having this discussion!!!

LMAO!!!

I agree totally and I would suggest that food items could potentially quadruple in price in 2011. Pay day is about to come to bear on ALL of us for a century of progressive foolishness.

Disgusted writes:
“Of course the dealer is going to offer a more expensive – more addictive drug to their customers!”

Of course they will. Thats good business. And like it or not drug selling IS a business.

” No matter what we do there will always be those that seek a stronger drug / a higher high, but if they are not in direct contact with a person that can provide that opportunity I think the instances will decrease.”

True and pretty self evident. But a lot of folk will not believe.

Vicki , I am amazed at the amount of stupid people that are out there now. It takes someone who has no appreation of life whatsoever to use some of these harder drugs that are out there now. One good example is Meth.Do people not understand that the high that they are reciveing from that drug is their nervous system dying? Meth is made from a chemical in roundup that kills weeds by attacking its nervous system.The side effects of which in humans is uncontrolable twitching as the nerves begin to overfire. And I wonder if anyone outthere watched the discovery channels special on paint huffing. The catscans that showed the dead areas in the brain behind the sinus cavities.But the point being is these are all chemicals not a natural herb how that MJ can be classified in the same catagory of drugs as these as well as cocain is beyond me.And as far as being a gateway drug I think Alchol is a much worse gateway drug than MJ could ever be. Many of the people I know that drink are either dead from accidents or liver and heart problems brought on by the abuse of alchol. So next time some of you guys go out and grab yourself your favorite beer and get ripped. Think about the damage you are doing to your body with chemicals(alchol kills braincells at a bac of 1.0 )And leave people alone that can have a bag of weed a month and be happy. They are all drugs of CHOICE many are just deadlier than others. Mike L.

Mike
tobacco is a natural herb as well, look at what it does to the body!!

What part of illegal don’t these people understand? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Joe H, tobacco didn’t use to have over 200 additives either.

Samuri, We understand its illeagle . But some of us just dont understand why it is. I doubt you would be so complacent when it comes to the gun or the bible(both of which I defend)I am sorry but we have been conditioned for years just to accept its bad because the goverment tells us it is(innatiment object). The same campaigen is going on right now against guns and the bible. You know us crazy clingers. So I will defend your right to bear arms but try to understand my point as well. That if its done in one field sucessfully it will be tried in others too. Mike L.

Joe, My grandfather smoked up untill he was 70 and died in a car wreck. Upon his autopise it was found he had the lungs of a 40 year old ! You know why? He raised his own tobacco and smoked it in a pipe or hand made cigar. His quote to me a year before he died was this. Its not the tobacco that kills you its what they put in it,Wisdom of the old my friend. Mike L.

Joe H. – It doesn’t matter how bad something is for you, it is your body. You argue about government control of everything else being bad. Why do you think government laws about pot are OK? It is taking away a freedom.

Karolyn writes:
“Joe H. – It doesn’t matter how bad something is for you, it is your body. You argue about government control of everything else being bad. Why do you think government laws about pot are OK? It is taking away a freedom.”

This is one of the things that has always confused me about many people who clame to be freedom loving. They get brainwashed into thinking drugs are bad in EXACTLY the same way that liberals are brainwashed into thinking GUNS are bad.

Both are dangerous tools and if mis-used can cause significant harm.

Guns are bad cause they cause crime (not true but that is the brainwashing
Drugs are bad cause they cause crime (not ture but that is the brainwashing

Guns can not be allowed because they are dangerous and should only be handled by experts if at all
Drugs can not be allowed because they are dangerous and should only be handled by experts if at all.

I could go on but I think you see the point.

Now for those who yell “BUT The Bill Of Rights….” I would draw your attention to Amendment 9 of said list of Rights.

One other detail that tends to show the effects of brainwashing

All of you who say you are Conservatives who are so obviously emotional about marijuana, please take a deep breath and think about how obviously emotional liberals are about guns.

Joe H, they been treating people for drug abuse(Heroin) in Lexington, Kentucky since the 1930′s, with probably one doctor and a bunch of orderlies which is comparable in price to one prison warden and a bunch of guards. people don’t need to go to prison for drug use, they need to be educated.

ABSOLUTELY!!! You put a pot-smoker in jail with a bunch of hardened thugs and he ends up worse than when he started.

samurai,
Didn’t Willie Nelson lose his golf course for tax evesion? Was he using his tax money for reef? Just food for thought.

Yeah, marijuana is really bad, just watch the old movie “Reefer Madness”, there’s real proof.

The movie industry portrays anyone that has smoked pot as acting absurd and stupid. It is not like that. If you have never tried it then you probably believe that is the way people act. It is not. I don’t even get the munchies and I can’t stand the taste of alcohol/beer – I only like water or iced tea. It is really upsetting that the law allows the use of alcohol and cigarettes – yet restricts the use of MaryJane. I would rather have the driver in the car next to me had just finished a dubie than closed the bar down!

Who Do you think are the only ones who go to liberal protest are.Demanding Everybody worship the green earth,And Involuntary Servitude/slavery(POT HEADS)

Two Wrongs Don’t Make A Right.But then Again,Only A Pot head Would think It Does.

I was just being a smart ass. I don’t does any damage, except to your lungs.

Well Sam, here’s a few more facts for your historical consideration.
We first look at the newspaper industry, In particular, that master of yellow journalism Wm. Randolph Hearst.

In the mid-1930s, when the new mechanical hemp fiber stripping machines and machines to conserve hemp’s high-cellulose pulp finally became state-of-the-art, available and affordable, the enormous timber acreage and businesses of the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division, Kimberly Clark (USA), St. Regis – and virtually all other timber, paper and large newspaper holding companies – stood to lose billions of dollars and perhaps go bankrupt.

Coincidentally, in 1937, DuPont had just patented processes for making plastics from oil and coal, as well as a new sulfate/sulfite process for making paper from wood pulp. According to DuPont’s own corporate records and historians,* these processes accounted for over 80 percent of all the company’s railroad carloadings over the next 60 years into the 1990s.

If hemp had not been made illegal, 80 percent of DuPont’s business would never have materialized and the great majority of the pollution which has poisoned our Northwestern and Southeastern rivers would not have occurred.

In an open marketplace, hemp would have saved the majority of America’s vital family farms and would probably have boosted their numbers, despite the Great Depression of the 1930s.

But competing against environmentally-sane hemp paper and natural plastic technology would have jeopardized the lucrative financial schemes of Hearst, DuPont and DuPont’s chief financial backer, Andrew Mellon of the Mellon Bank of Pittsburgh.

There’s a racial element to this question also.
Starting with the 1898 Spanish American War, the Hearst newspaper had denounced Spaniards, Mexican-Americans and Latinos.
After the seizure of 800,000 acres of Hearst’s prime Mexican timberland by the “marihuana” smoking army of Pancho Villa,* these slurs intensified.
*The song “La Cucaracha” tells the story of one of Villa’s men looking for his stash of “marijuana por fumar!” (to smoke!)

Non-stop for the next three decades, Hearst painted a picture of the lazy, pot-smoking Mexican – still one of our most insidious prejudices. Simultaneously, he waged a similar racist smear campaign against the Chinese, referring to them as the “Yellow Peril.”

From 1910 to 1920, Hearst’s newspapers would claim that the majority of incidents in which blacks were said to have raped white women, could be traced directly to cocaine. This continued for ten years until Hearst decided it was not “cocaine-crazed Negroes” raping white women – it was now “marijuana-crazed Negroes” raping white women.

Hearst’s and other sensationalistic tabloids ran hysterical headlines atop stories portraying “Negroes” and Mexicans as frenzied beasts who, under the influence of marijuana, would play anti-white “voodoo-satanic” music (jazz) and heap disrespect and “viciousness” upon the predominantly white readership. Other such offenses resulting from this drug-induced “crime wave” included: stepping on white men’s shadows, looking white people directly in the eye for three seconds or more, looking at a white woman twice, laughing at a white person, etc.

For such “crimes”, hundreds of thousands of Mexicans and blacks spent, in aggregate, millions of years in jails, prisons and on chain gangs, under brutal segregation laws that remained in effect throughout the U.S. until the 1950s and ’60s. Hearst, through pervasive and repetitive use, pounded the obscure Mexican slang word “marijuana” into the English-speaking American consciousness. Meanwhile, the word “hem” was discarded and “cannabis,” the scientific term, was ignored and buried.

I’m sure that you being the consumate historian that you are, will find this post rather enlightening.

Thanks Dr! Very interesting reading. It doesn’t surprise me one tiny bit that someone rich & greedy had something to do with demonizing canibus.

Dr. Mabuse: Yup, follow the money & power. That’s all it has ever been. The corporations have owned this country for a long time now and only the naive think differently. Unfortunately, this country has been under steadily growing oppression and it will not stop until we say ENOUGH.

I find it interesting that the prohibition on alcohol was repealed after many years of astounding crime and bloodshed. When the prohibition was repealed (with no right to have prohibited it in the first place), it has become very heavily regulated and, of course TAXED. More excuses to take, rob, rape the people. The government parasites had absolutely NOTHING to do with its creation or production but they sure demand the serfs pay up to the king.

In some states, marijuana–MEDICAL MARIJUANA–(of course, the medical mafia will own this) is ALLOWED and very heavily taxed, regulated and pretty much kept from the people. Only a very small amount is allowed in the hands of the SOVEREIGN people.

When is it ENOUGH?

Ellen,

You would do well to actually READ the Constitution before you blurt, “When the prohibition was repealed (with no right to have prohibited it in the first place)…)”

A Constituted people can prohibit ANYTHING they want, including scratching your backside or picking your nose in public. It’s called the Constitutional amendmenr process, and it’s as legal as it gets.

Vigilant: And when these people (Democrats) get enough votes to outlaw the possession of Firearms are you really going to support this clear violation of a Sovereign people?

Ellen,
Guns are a God given right and even the constitution has an ammendment that says it, this right, shall not be abridged!! No where in the constitution does it say that the right to pick your nose shall not be abridged!!

vicki said,

“Vigilant: And when these people (Democrats) get enough votes to outlaw the possession of Firearms are you really going to support this clear violation of a Sovereign people?”

I refer you once again to the Constitution. It takes a hell of a lot more than votes in Congress to outlaw possession of firearms. Check out what it takes to Amend the Constitution.

The Supreme Court’s recent ruling has dispensed with any ideas of overriding the Second Amendment, and I feel entirely confident in saying that we will never overturn the right to bear arms in this country.

But let’s take your hypothetical proposition at face value. If the sovereign citizens of the United States ever amended the Constitution to outlaw possession of firearms, that would then become the law of the land, and you would either be in violation of it if you wished to keep your firearms, you would obey the dictates of the law, or you would move to another country.

Joe H. says:
“Ellen,
Guns are a God given right and even the constitution has an ammendment that says it, this right, shall not be abridged!! No where in the constitution does it say that the right to pick your nose shall not be abridged!!”

Joe please take a look at Amendment 9. US Constitution.
“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

Ellens right to pick her nose shall NOT be denied nor disparaged.

Vigilant writes:
“I refer you once again to the Constitution. It takes a hell of a lot more than votes in Congress to outlaw possession of firearms.”

I sure hope you are right. Like yourself I believe that the protections of the Constitution override mere law. However there are some who believe that a treaty supersceeds the explicit protections in the Constitution. If that belief holds sway then it takes a HELL of a lot less than votes in Congress to outlaw the possession of firearms.

Fortunately there are VERY good arguments to my (our?) way of thinking.
http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2009/10/steam-valve-blog-offers-this-vid-of.html
So Hillarys small arms treaty that many fear would be of no binding force on US Citizens.

And of course I am one of those who believe that gun ownership is a natural right not given by the Constitution (It would then be just a privilege) and even IF the 2nd Amendment be repealed our right to defend or God given lives with the best tools available would still exist. Might be a bit of an uphill battle so hopefully we never go there.

Oh and I forgot to mention that the people of Chicago and Washington DC would probably disagree with Vigilant’s statement
“It takes a hell of a lot more than votes in Congress to outlaw possession of firearms.” As they suffered for years under just such laws. Of course when finally declared unconstitutional all those laws became null and void but during the dark time people still suffered.

Dr, Great post!
Thats all 100% soild easy to find Intel that some here seem to feel is not worthy.
Yet they live in the Progressive “Anslingers” shadows as they spew pariot like rhetoric that has zero value in both Science and TRUTH.

What the hell is wrong with some of you that alledge to hate Marxist Progressives – yet paroit their game plan like good little mindless twits.

I ask any of you that think Pot is bad for you this simple question what the hell is wrong with you that your still sleeping, yet want others to wake up.

If you don’t know a good BS story yet, take the bloody time to explore the THUTH before you blast more crap out of your mouths.

Many of you are still bound to the R v D crap and can’t grasp that one is no differant than the other, so why would keeping a Progressive law in place be of any value may I ask YOU alledged freedom lovers?

How dare any of you so called Freedom loving people make such mindless statments as you have, “when your embrace the very laws that hold you down and take away your freedoms.”

????? What? You ramble on and on and have said basically nothing. May be time for another hit? You think?

Time, Its too bad freedom loving people stop thinking freedom when it comes to something they dont like. You can state facts all day long and there are folks that wont listen. I too have known alot of smokers and used to be one myself. The ones that progressed to harder drugs had the I.Q of doorknobs and ambition to match.I wanted better things and have went on to do them. You cant cure an addictive personality. My family was a bunch of alcholics so according to most people I should be a lush. And personally really cant stand alchol.So we can continue to shout it from the rooftops and be totally ignored or work behind the scens to try and change it. I personally think there should be a prop 19 in every state every year. From now untill it passes.And call me what you want I will stand and atest my faith in god any day of the week with anyone who calls themselves a Religious person. Thanks again Time and Dr. for the sainity. Mike L.

Mike writes:
“freedom loving people stop thinking freedom when it comes to something they dont like.”

That seems to be true for both liberals and conservatives (Not libertarians though)

Mike,
I agree with you 100%, its so bloody sad that we have people who can’t see the tree’s through the forest of confusion.

But as per the way the human mind works, its only when the hard cold hands of the masters comes down on them for something that these same people then have issues with their rights and freedoms being taken away.
Its to bad they just can’t grasp what this country was founded on.

It’s not their ox being gored. They don’t do pot.
(Odd. Neither do I but I recognize the ox.)

I CONCUR. Good stuff Doc.

Thanks Doc! It’s always good to read things from history. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai – Please…Weed is NOT ADDICTIVE!!! I partook years ago in my youth, non-stop, daily for several years and when I got engaged, married and had children (got responsible)…I quit smoking it. Yep…cold turkey and had not ill effects whatsoever. The only thing I felt was that I missed it…that’s it, no physical withdrawel. I think if you could check, you would find that folks who are high when they commit crimes are not high on weed. If there is anything negative to be said for weed, it’s that it does dampen your motivation and engery. Anyone that is high on weed wouldn’t have the engery or motivation to commit a crime.

Shibamom,
After over 40 years of smoking cigarrettes I quit cold turkey, no problem other than a feeling that something was missing. Now the majority of people can’t do this so your personal experience doesn’t mean flip to me! Like I said above, if it’s for medical reasons and real ones, not a hangnail or cold, then I’m in favor of it! Other than that, like acohol and other drugs, it’s a crutch! I’ve seen honor roll students in highschool go down to a bare c average as they have trouble concentrating and lose interest in school!

Question is…Why is it illegal?

1. Fabrication and mistruths
2. OHHH the heck with it. Just follow the money trail.

Oh by the way. Isn’t Willy Nelson a very successful person. Amazing how he ever found the time to learn how to play guitar and write all those songs. And my goodness the million some odd miles he’s traveled keeping us all entertained. Get real!

One last thing. You ended with…God and Country.

Read your Bible dude. First page depending on its size. Gen:1 v 11 and 12. If memory serves me it says something about creating the fruit bearing trees and vines of its kind, and the seed bearing HERB, and “GOD saw that it was good”.

Marijuana is an HERB!

Get over it and get a life. Live and let live.

So Your Definition of the bible is;(DRUGS SEX,AND ROCK&ROLL)WOW You Are A STONER;What A Mis-Intrpretation,And Blasphemous Characterization,Of God,And the Holy Bible.God Have Mercy;

Not what I said. Go back and read it without inputing your own words for the sake of argueing.

you sound like you’re stoned, dude. can’t spell, punctuate, or string words together to make a sentence. your posts are difficult to read for normal humans.

jimmy joe why are you wasting time with silly ad hominum attacks instead of reasoned debate? You sound a LOT like liberals who come here to try and tell us that our conservative ways are bad.

Bubba JJ,
It is clearly obvious your in need of a good Doc so perhaps you should be heading off for a visit very soon, that is before you hurt yourslef or someone else.

I will pray for your speedy recovery.

Mr.MYTH,Good name for A False Witness,False Prophet,That Trafficks False Doctrine.So Herb Man How Often Do You Smoke Poison Ivy,And Poison Oak;OOOH WEEEEEH;

Seldom do I smoke, I prefer wine. I’m not religious nor do I go to church. Just stateing a fact for all the religious fanatics out there trying to claim it’s THE DEVILS WORK. Bottom line is, it’s a natural substance just like a million other things I could name. Everybody has likes and dislikes and at some point we’re all put-off or offended by something or somebody. It’s nature, it’s how things work on a natural level. If you don’t want to smoke marijuana don’t smoke it. But don’t tell others they can’t just because you personally feel they shouldn’t. I am strongly against children and young people indulging but responsible adults have a fundamental,and inalienable right to do so. I would never condone usage in the work place. The same goes for alcohol. Everything has its place.

Who are you to tell anybody what they can and can’t do in the privacy of their own home.

Everyone’s intitled to their own opinion. Of course, that could change if people that think like you ever gain control.

It’s hard to argue viewpoints when one side is closed minded and refuses to acknowlege the facts pertaining to a given subject.

Lets just give everybody the right to go into each others home and remove everything that they think they shouldn’t have or do. Then we’d all be happy ever after.

It’s a big world with six billion people. If we all lived according to your belief, we’d be drones.

If you are not allergic to it you can smoke poison oak and poison ivy as much as you want.

A real historian? Actually, “dude,” I became a professional (thus, “real”) historian after earning my third graduate degree in the early 1990s and accepting a position in academia. I also hold a degree in Psychopharmacology. Enough about that though; debates should be settled based on the merits of the information presented rather than the credentials of the debaters. Wouldn’t you agree?

I’ll just touch on some of your points because I’m not sure objective facts hold much weight in your worldview.

“Illegal is illegal”? I’m not sure what you mean by “illegal” (immoral?) since the possession, cultivation and sale of marijuana (for medical purposes) has been legal in California since 1996. These storefront marijuana businesses pay state and federal taxes, hold business licenses, and solve their conflicts in state courts like all other businesses. The police know of their location and the nature of their wares (like other businesses, they advertise), yet they are allowed to function the same as other businesses. I’d call that “legal.”

“You say it doesn’t effect anyone or their lives?” Actually, I didn’t say that. Perhaps you’re thinking of someone else’s post. Like video games, masturbation, food, alcohol, etc., people can surely take something, anything too far. The difference is the level of inherent harm involved with an activity (more on this below).

“THC in the drug does damage the brain and its fuctions after years of heavy use” Well, I’ll disagree with you there, and so will all the studies done over the past 50 years. Please do a Google search on the subject or better yet use your wife’s access as a nurse to search the PubMed database on the toxicity of cannabis and THC. In this age of instant information, there’s no excuse for not being informed. Here’s a sample of what you’ll find in the peer-reviewed literature:

Heavy Marijuana Use Doesn’t Damage Brain
webmd. com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain
Illegal Herb Not Harmless, but Data Show No Link to Death
webmd. com/smoking-cessation/news/20030918/marijuana-smoking-doesnt-kill
Marijuana Unlikely to Cause Head, Neck, or Lung Cancer
webmd. com/smoking-cessation/news/20000508/marijuana-unlikely-to-cause-cancer
Active Component In Marijuana Targets Aggressive Brain Cancer Cells, Study Says
webmd. com/cancer/brain-cancer/news/20090401/marijuana-chemical-may-fight-brain-cancer
Chemicals in Marijuana May Fight Drug-Resistant Staph Infections
webmd. com/news/20080904/marijuana-chemicals-may-fight-mrsa

And if you still need more proof that your statement “THC in the drug does damage the brain and its fuctions after years of heavy use” then check out the product insert on the prescription THC capsules (Marinol) that are available in every American state as a Class III drug (alongside codeine):
accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2006/018651s025s026lbl.pdf
You’ll find that it contains no warnings of neurotoxicity or other harm to the patient’s body—even after years of prolonged use.

In the future, please provide me with some reputable, peer-reviewed studies to back up your points otherwise you’re little better than one who argues that the world is not round because you can look out your window and see a flat horizon. That is, it’s all conjecture and emotion, but little substance.

Historian, The facts and TRUTH to idiots is like pearls before swine saddly.

By teh way – Great post and thanks for the links.

Did you ever stop to think that the average IQ is only 110 and perhaps that your worker may have had a lower IQ than the average?

I know countless Lawyers, Doc’s let alone high level Business people who smoke pot daily yet they seem to be doing fine making money as a matter of fact many millions of dollars per year.

Just for the record I smoked years ago then stopped, at that point I went from haveing cutting edge ideas to a total flat line.
Then while curing my cancer with it I started smoking again, and oddly went into the next level of progression in my business and have made millions on creative ideas that sprung up from my relaxed state of mind.

Food for thought – in the worst market ever, I just had the third best year I have ever had in 30 years.

By the way “nothing is addictive,” nor a gateway thats 100% total BS, Its – Called an Addictive personality, its a mental disorder.

Time said: “By the way “nothing is addictive,” nor a gateway thats 100% total BS, Its – Called an Addictive personality, its a mental disorder.”

Your comments appear to be mutually exclusive and must be the result of YOUR “Mental Disorder”.

I have spent a lifetime dealing with dope smokers from teenagers to people 50 years aged. The results are the same: lazy, confused, poor health, lack of morals and principles coupled with frequent fits of aggrovated behavior until the addiction is satisfied by the next joint. Sex and food while tip-towing through the tulips appears to be the driving brain function of a doper. That “Mental Disorder” is called the THC drug enduced euphoric mindset that leads most individuals down the road to abstact failure in life. Not only does it have a very negative affect on them but all those around them.

If you had witnessed the masses of teenagers that I have that are either dead or in jail or pregnant at the age of 13, then you may reconsider your misguided comments. In fact, their is NOTHING positive to be gained with smoking dope….period.

If you want to understand why our country has gone to hexx in a handbasket then look no further than your THC. It is the driving FACTOR that has morally and ethically BANKRUPT our country. I too have had experiences with several people who used the drug and are “Rich”. Most are crooks who started their businesses with money gained through selling dope to our children and I wouldn’t trust one of them as far as I could spit them.

Thank you for injecting some sanity.

What kind of mindset is it that will quote you “scientific” studies all day long, but refuses to listen to people like yourself or sook young, who have had many years of actual hands-on experience in dealing with the problem?

Vigilant…..Yep and thank you for the comments. When you get my age and have witnessed the carnage of those left behind due to smoking dope, then that is about as REAL as SCIENCE can get and no amount of “Progressive Politically Motivated JUNK Science” will EVER change that fact.

No APN the reason our country has gone to the point it has is due to people like you who “can’t see the truth.” So don’t make it up as you go to save face.

Your to busy being an “Anslinger Marxist Progressive” who can’t grasps the benifits of this earth saving plant. Its people like you is why I fear the wackos on the other side of the line of sanity.

By the way APN what is it you do for a living that you have so many alledged Pot heads working for you?

I run a multi faceted business that contracts between large scale investors who outlay millions of dollars daily to acquire talent to invest in.
We see people smoking joint’s in our offices daily who have more money than most people can even grasp, and yet they seem to be able to invest as well make even more money – you know being so morally bankrupt as you stated I am, just how strange is it that last year we {as in my wife and I} gave $1.3 million to 501C 3′s, I guess that just screams of my poor moral fiber.

And just how Strange is it that these folks I work with that all smoke who by the way also employ countless numbers of people yet they don’t have criminal record’s, let alone they make money and run business.
And by the way also give millions to 501 C 3′s every year too.

I guess your abilitys to see into my mind are strong powers that defy us stupid mindless human’s who smoke and are sucking the system dry, well according to Oh Great Ones like you that is, I mean an Anslinger Marxist Progressive.
WOW your really a special person. Hey by the way are you also one of the Fake Christians too?

You have a Great Day now Oh Mind Reading Great One.

I have to catch a fligh in a few hours I have real work to do, to keep people employed and keep the pay checks flowing.

Time…you seem to be a self-consummed legend in your own mind and I doubt very seriuosly anything you have stated. In fact, your comments mirror those that I have helped get off this very dangerous DRUG. I think you are confusing your GREAT I AM wishes with the reality of the matter. Hopefully your very valuable time wasted on this very serious issue hasn’t cost you any of your very valuable “Riches”.

“just how strange is it that last year we {as in my wife and I} gave $1.3 million to 501C 3′s, I guess that just screams of my poor moral fiber.”

That doesn’t tell us anything, TIME. What, may I ask, were the non-profits you contributed to?

Your gratuitous comment about “fake Christians” is deplorable. Period.

TIME said: “WOW your really a special person. Hey by the way are you also one of the Fake Christians too? ”

Again, your comments seem to be confused and mutually exclusive which is a trait of a chemical dependency, like THC abuse. Fake Christian? Now how could that be? What logical sober thinking mind could make such a foolish statement? Especially a person who asserts such high business skills that produces MILLIONS in profit.

Either a person is a Christian who believes in Christ Jesus or does not which means they are NOT a Christian. You either ARE or ARE NOT a Christian and FAKE has no relevance. Your MONEY that you seem to worship and hold in such HIGH regard is FAKE paper so does that imply that YOU are a FAKE MONEY LOVER?

Since you seem to place so much FAITH in your FIAT money and your drugs then lets talk again at the end of 2011 after the FED has completely monetized our DEBT and see how much FIATH you have in your FAKE money then.

Progressive Nightmare;We Are Arguing With Obsessive Behavior,And Not Rational Thinking,Which All Mind Altering Drugs Obstruct.Only Intervention,And Fear Of One’s Own Survival,Can Change Behavior.Those Who Show their Obsessions Defending Legalizing,Marijuana.Also Show Their Self Serving Addictive Natures For Marijuana.Again Proving They Would Rather,Get Stoned,And Complain About Life,Contributing to Its Worst.Than Contribute to Its Greater Strengths.Life Is All About them,And Their Priorities To Best Feed those Obsessions.Than The Best Interest Of Their Country.

As a person who has worked with alcoholics and drug addicts for many years, I can tell you that there is a difference between the recreational user and the addictive personality who will progress to bigger and “better” drugs. A point was made about the IQ, which does make sense. Socio-economic level also plays a part. A lot more goes into this subject than just that pot leads to other drugs. Non-addictive personality types do not progress – just like a recreational drinker does not necessarily progress into alcoholism. Countries like Holland do not seem to have a drug problem. Everybody there is pretty happy. Man has probably gotten high since the caveman. It cannot be proven, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Mr. Caveman picked a leaf and found it made him feel good, so he kept on eating it. Evidence of Aztec “drug” use has been found. The War on Drugs is a big waste of money and time. If even half of that money was spent on education, we might have less drug addiction and spend less money on incarcerating people for drug use. Pot users certainly do not belong in jail. What a waste!

JJ….VERY well put, and yes, their comments are self-evident and self-serving which further confirms a life of chemical dependency at the expense of future generations. Let’s just all get high and screw and share all our social deseases and the heck with the country and our children’s future. Only a progressive mentality would even ponder leaving such a dismal legacy for those who will follow. Life for them is about the moment, about them and only them no matter the cost or the damage it does to their fellow man. i.e.; lack of basic moral prinicple or compass

Duh, Vigilant, 501(c)(3)s are nonprofit!

Nightmare

If you really worked with people with drug problems you wouldn’t be refering to them as “dope smokers” and such. Very unprofessional. Your belittleling the people you’re supposedly treating. By my observation of your viewpoints and level of writing I would place your IQ at about 92. There’s nothing wrong with that, you are who you are, but you are no therapist.

You’re making absurd statements and ridiculous arguements against known facts stated by obviously well read intelligent people. The more you write the less intelligent you sound.

MM……….Never said I was a therapist or asserted a HI IQ. However, your lack of IQ is self-evident and needs no further comment.

Who are these “Intelligent” people you speak of? Maybe the same people who claim “Global Warming”?? Who pays these magnificient minds and what political motivations are involved? I guess those are hard questions that a simple mind would never ponder to ask?

Keep kidding yourself about this POT problem we have in America. Mexico sound familiar? Is that the kind of country you want your children to grow up in? If so, good luck!

karolyn,
DUH! He asked WHICH ones he contributed to!! Perhaps the reason you can’t read…………..

Vigilant,

A 501 C 3 is always a NOT for PROFIT. And yes you may ask what we give money to as we are very proud of what we do.

#1, We give to Childrens Special needs units, this is run by our local Medical unit. What they do is provide health care to kids whos parents can’t take off work for their very sick children.
This has two factors that are really great, one is that the parents don’t use up all their Insurance funds. As well it Brings Doc’s to them so they don’t have to travel and loose work time that may end up in their loosing their jobs.

#2, We also give to the Gift of Life, this is for heart transplants for people who can’t afford this.

#3, We give to Big Brothers & Sisters, as well I worked with 4 kids, one who we raised after his mom left him at our door.

#4, We give to a scholarship fund that aids kids who can’t afford higher education.

#5, We give to, Arts and Music fund that provides Musical instruments to kids who can’t afford them, as well as aid for their mental heath.

#6, We also give to NO KILL anmial shelters. We also give of our time to a number of shelters where we work cleaning crap up and helping sick and or beaten anmials that Humans abused.

As well there are others but that should give you enough intel to grasp the good we do. Thanks for asking.

The very superior Karolyn says:

“Duh, Vigilant, 501(c)(3)s are nonprofit!”

Yes, and I was asking him to name the non-profits to which he and his wife contributed.

A BIG DUH, Karolyn. Read before you shoot at someone.

Geez…are you serious???? I guess it doesn’t matter to you that there is absolutely no scientific proof to the effects, or lack thereof, of weed.

Shibamom…..keep kidding yourself. I see it everyday and I can personally introduce you to 100′s of people who were once dope smokers that were buried in the mire and the muck of addiction to pot, not to mention past behavior problems that will follow them for a lifetime. Teenage girls who by the age of 17 have had 100′s of different sex partners and have about every social desease imaginable and all of which have openly confessed that YOUR sacrid POT was the gateway to their living hell. You think maybe the reason we sober minded people call it “Dope” is because that is exactly what you will become….somebody’s DOPE.

Progressive – You said “Teenage girls who by the age of 17 have had 100′s of different sex partners and have about every social desease imaginable and all of which have openly confessed that YOUR sacrid POT was the gateway to their living hell.” That is such BS. It isn’t the pot; it is the person.

Karolyn…coming from a former pot smoker like yourself, I guess that makes sense to me. I’m sure POT had nothing to do with it. I guess that is the reason these young girls decided to sell their bodies to pay for their next joint. You are a very naive person to be as old as you are.

Progressive – You are so full of it. I’ve known women who sold their bodies for hard drugs, but I have NEVER known or even heard of anyone selling herself for POT.

Karolyn, Then you don’t leave your trailer in the woods and get out very often, do you? You are the type person that believes what is convenient or self-serving. I have had numerous young men tell me that all they needed was a bag of POT and they could have sex with a female before midnight. Those are the cold hard facts that I deal with not your progressive slef-serving fantasy world.

They’re not selling themselves for the pot but for the money it will bring. What kind of people are you hanging around with anyway?

karolyn…..Mostly YOUNG PEOPLE who are at the END OF THEIR DOPE SMOKING LIVES and have no job, NO FAMILY or anyone else that gives a damn ABOUT THEM. Smart kids that took that first innocent little toke of POT and then 10 years later are still lost and have gained nothing in life. Young girls who have to live with the fact that dozens of men have violated their bodies all in the name of getting HIGH. Well, I would suggest that getting high on POT will result in a great fall into the pit of a very pitiful life. Obviously these are REAL people and real consequences that you advocates of dope never ponder or you just do not CARE about our future generations.

a progressive nightmare: You and Karoline should quite arguing with each other and try reasoned debate. In other discussions I have seen both of you do it so I know you are capable.

One thing of interest to me as an outside observer is seeing both sides of this debate use the same tactics used to support the socialist policies of the Democrats. With the interesting inversion of who, with people who are staunchly against the socialist policies of the democrats fiercely defending the illegal state of marijuana in spite of multiple facts with cites proving that most of the bad things attributed to marijuana are false. And on the other side we find mostly people who clearly support socialist policies fighting with actual facts against the laws prohibiting a free people from using herbs as they choose.

Very strange this world of ours.

Vicki….as I have stated numerous times, I base my opinion on FACTS gathered from life’s experiences dealing with potheads for decades. I do not need an “Expert” or “Government paid Scientist”, that are in all probability politically motivated or outcome based motivated, to waste my very valuable time explaining something that I already CLEARY understand.

Progressive, well I can probably top you. I am an addict and alcoholic with 28 years of sobriety, so I’m not without some experience on both sides of the fence. The point I’ve been trying to make is that the law doesn’t stop the addict. The only thing that stops the addict is hitting bottom or death. It is an individual problem that does affect society; however, laws don’t put a dent in the addiction problem. A person has the right to do whatever they want with their body and mind whether anybody likes it or not. Besides being an addict, I have worked with them as a sponsor, lived with them and also worked in a halfway house for women. If you have not been in the position of an addict, there is no way you can truly know what goes on in our heads. Legislation is not the answer. If more money was spent on educating kids how to live life, (since parents so often seem to be failing miserably) there would be less addiction and less of any societal problem.

APN;
You sir are one very sick person who should have nothing to do with children at all ever!

Other than the very shallow thinking displayed by your post over and over again. You have clearly displayed that your mentaly ill, with heavy “Paranoid Delusions” that are so obviously displayed within the confines of your rantings.

You claim your a “Progressive worst nightmare,”
No Sir you are just what they are looking for and they could not be more happy to have a total WackO like you post such insane dribble. You just made their case that the good people here have worked very hard to build are amoung total WACK JOBS. You go pat yourself on the back for doing such a great job of showing just how bloody nuts you are as you just sullied everyone else here.

You claim you love Freedom? Really on what level? When it suits you?
Freedom means just that, FREEDOM. Not a pick and choose factor when it makes you happy and what suits you.

You claim you empoly people, hell would freeze over before anyone with a brain would ever work for someone as bent as you are.
Let me say this again YOUR clearly MENTALY ILL!

Everyone can have an opinion thats a given, but it must be bound in some form of sanity, you are totaly insane, as well as abusive and ill mannered as well a complete and total SOCIOPATH.

I will pary that God Have mercy on your soul.
By reading your post only one name comes to mind, John Wanyne Gacy

Time….Must have touched a nerve? Now why don’t you tell me how you really feel? Keep worshipping and smoking your POT god, and be sure to make it up with all your “Community Services”. You are a FAKE buddy and I see your type every day. Get your head sober and try getting yourself educated so you can clearly see the rampant drup problem we have in America. Misinformed would be a major understatement. Good day all omnipotent one.

APN,

What I’ve seen so far from the proponents of further unravelling the fiber of society comes as no surprise to me.

First, I see those who take Big Pharma to task every day for funding so-called “independent” studies that serve only to legitimize and paint their products in good light. Those same folks then show their naiivete by falling hook, line and sinker for the “scientific” marijuana studies, most of which are conducted with the conclusion already written before the “research” is conducted (much like the global warming “research”).

Secondly, and this is related to the first, the left continually sets up an alternate reality based solely on the written word (an accusation they love to hurl at the Fundamentalist Christians), without ever appealing to experience in the real world. They have no qualms in pooh-poohing the words of someone such as yourself, who has spent time “in the trenches” and who can offer valuable insight into the real problems caused by and/or associated with marijuana use.

Thirdly, they set up an obvious smoke screen to attempt to divert attention and/or to snatch at anything that will rationalize their predilection. They can’t see that we’re on to their obfuscation, they think we don’t see through the “medical marijuana” argument as a ploy to open the door for recreational use accross the board (re: the CA Med. marijuana front, and that’s all it is, a front).

How often do they come clean and just Hedonistically tell us, “I think marijuana should be legalized because it gives me a high, and I don’t think I’m doing any harm to anyone.” No, these are the same people who disparage lawyers for the same sophistry and rationalization of which they are guilty.

APN, keep up your good works and your sane, rational approach to the issue.

Vigilant…..WOW, VERY well put! Same here and let us all endeavor to persevere. Thank you for the encouraging words and I will share your wisdom with those who seek my help to regain control over their broken lives.

Was he partaking on the job? If so, that was stupid and this individual didn’t have the brains to do the job anyway. Let’s face it, some people (actually a lot of people) can’t think properly for themselves. I blame a lot of that on the poisonous water fluoridation. Man, if you want a cause to champion, WATER FLUORIDATION IS THE ONE. This is an abominable practice that is destroying us very handily.

I would suggest that the primary reason “People can’t THINK for themselves” is because that is what we DO NOT teach them to do anymore. I was taught to QUESTION everything and compare what someone says to their actions. To analyze, research and VERIFY what those who taught me were either FACTS or simple minded OPINIONS or some foolish progressive PC balony like “Global Warming”.

When we get back to the basics of educating our children to THINK for themselves instead of some misguided “What ever makes you feel good” mentality, like dope smoking, then and only then will we see some positive results in our education system and our resulting “THINKING” capacity. One thing is for certain, THC is NOT an aid to LOGICAL THINKING.

Ellen was doing half way (only half way) OK until she revealed herself as a flouridation conspiracy theorist. Consider the source.

APN
So have you complained to the school’s about the Legal drugs they are pushing on our children?
No – you have not, and why is that, you are 100% clueless.

Time says APN is clueless…..Coming from a self-confessed Pot Head, I guess that makes sense to me.

Let’s not be too hard on Ellen.
She has a point about the negative effects of floride in the water supply. I won’t bore you with a bunch of details and facts, but I will ask you to look at the Nazis use of floride in the concentration camps and the use of floride in our own prison system as a means to pacify convicts.

Uh, excuse me. I think the concentrations were/are slightly different.

Are you an MD?

Dr,That reply from vigilant shows he dosent understand the fact that floride isnt processed as fast as most chemicals through our bloodstream. If you drink alot of water in a day like I used to you can get a high concentration of floride in your system. That is the main reason I switched to a good filter and bottled water when out fishing Even with bottled water you can still get floride but at a much lower concentration. Mike L.

From The Fluoridation “Conspiracy”

By Michael D. Shaw

That fluoride occurs naturally in the water at varying levels around the country, including concentrations much higher than 1 ppm, has made it easy to look for negative effects on a grand scale. Studies have been run comparing rates for cancer, heart disease, birth defects, and allergies in regions with high, medium, and low concentrations of fluoride. The results are always the same: The sole adverse effect is staining of the teeth, when the fluoride concentration is much higher than 1 ppm. Recent data indicates that fluoridation reduces the incidence of cavities 20% to 40% in children and 15% to 35% in adults.

The usage of flouride to make POWs docile did indeed happen but, good “doctor,” what were the concentrations used? Until you answer that, we have no basis for argument.

Again, what are your qualifications to put “Dr.” before your name?

Viglent, Yes floride occurs naturally in water.But when we add to that fact that we are dumping tons more of it in our municple water supplies every day it can and will have detrimental effects. And yes it benifits our teeth but its deadly when concentrated in our brains. A good simple example of this is alchol in low doses and used only occasionally its good for our kidnys and bladders. But used in large quantities its death to our livers and brains. So before you jump in and call someone crazy for their opinion do a little research yourself. Mike L.

You’re missing one of the points. It’s already available to all. And always will be.

Sook,
I have to disagree with you based on “sound science,” Pot has no lasting effects on your brain at all.

If anything it will expand your abilitys to grasp concepts that are harder to grasp. Its also not a drug, its an HERB, and it was 100% legal in all countries until the 1960′s when the US Government started its insaine war on it, from the same old fart that started the war on it in the 1930′s, that would be Anslinger progressive Marxist Pig from FDR admin.

Strange is it not that all the hoopla about it was used to start the DEA, by non other than Bent Tricky Dicky Nixon, if that fails to wake anyone up, then this should help.

The Alledged Drug Cartell’s bread and butter comes from the sale of $500 Plus Billion dollars worth of Pot per year, that money goes back to Mexico people.
If it were legal said cartells would wither up and die a slow death. And guess what else, you would see far fewer crimes by Illegals, let alone far fewer Illegals here in the US.
That alone would reduce the US Tax Payers over $800 Billion dollars per year, and in just two short years thats $1.6 Trillion dollars saved, WOW talk about reducing the cost.

Not one single person has ever died from the use of Pot, nor will anyone ever die from the use of pot. Even if you smoked a million pounds of it. Why the “Cabinioids” are good for you and will repair any damage that may come from smoking it.

Deaths per year from Aloohol related issues 150,000
Deaths per year from “over eating” related Issues,300,000
Deaths per year from just being plain stupid about,75,000

Has anyone ever gotten cancer from smoking pot, NO, -
Cigarettes – Yes – Deaths per year from smoking cigarettes is about 125,000 please see just being plain stupid above.

So where’s the problem, is it really pot or is it just total missinformation, as the science will fall on the total missinformation factor.

TIME, I agree with you, living in a border state we’re tired of violence and drug cartels and it’s gonna get a lot worse now.

You here about the shoot out in Matamoris this weekend, 47 dead.

The Gulf Cartel main man was in town and Federalizes got him. 30 in one fire fight and 17 in another. Southeast of the Main Square off Sexta Street at a hotel.

I say the main man, the main man is in prison, it was his brother.

B. Wire, you can hear gunfire all night along certain parts of the border. the cartels are taking over the border towns, one by one.

the border should be protected by the military….but our American hating friend George Soros forked up 1.2 million to help pass prop 19…now why would he do that?…What’s the return on that investment?….perhaps a dumbed down population is easier for him to try and control?

TIME

My wife just read your reply to Sook Young and thought I had written it.

I’ve been saying everything you stated for 20 years. It feels good to see that others share the same grasp on history and facts around this subject.

Speaking of Tricky Dick … when he took office he appointed a committee, lead by then Gov. Shaffer of PA, to research and study the effects of marijuana on our society. In short … their findings led to decriminalization. What did Nixon do? Classified the results, buried them, and promptly tossed a measly $300 mil. into the war against it.

Here’s one for the books. Marijuana is a part of the Counter Culture
consisting of tens of millions of people. Don’t we have laws that protect different cultures in this country? Let’s see … what’s it called now … oh yea. The Federal Hate Crimes Act.

Mr. Myth,
Welcome to the sight, I cured my self by the use of hemp oil I had cancer and at the time it was found I was told I had no more than 6 – 10 weeks to live that was over 18 months ago.

Since then I have helped 53 others with the same cure, all are doing great. I just had my check up and am still now after a full year 100% cancer free.

I fear that we have so many who have gone down the path of the progressive’s crazy path that Pot is evil its now a mantra of the brain dead. Thats bloody sad.

Sook Young,You Are Exactly Right. Most OfThose Who Are For The

Sook Young,You Are Exactly Right. Most Of Those Who Are For The Legalizing Of Marijuana,Are themselves,Potheads,Or UnInformed People that Believe That Lawless Obsessions,And Addictions Represent Freedom.There Is No such thing As A free Society,Without An Expectation Of Standards.That Would Be A Free For All,Not Freedom.There Are Always Some Who Can Smoke Marijuana,Like Alcohol Responsibly.But Most Unfortunetely Do not.Which Burdens The Taxpayers Doctors,And Nurses,Like Yourself With The Destruction Caused,And More Deadbeats,And Predators,In Society.And It Amazes me How Many,Especially The Anti-Big Government Folks Like Myself.Suddenly Have So Much Faith In Government,Being Their Dealer,And Distributor.Especially When they Did Such A Bang-Up Job In Vietnam,With Heroin Skag,Marijuna,Hashish,And Thai’Sticks.To Advance The Democrat Parties Population Control Experiments,In The Name Of Environmentalism.Combined With Don’t Shoot Unless Fired Upon.That Is Still Being Enforced Against Our Military Today.That Contributed To Over 58 Thousand Deaths In Vietnam.But yet Sorcery/Marijuana.Doesn’t Hurt Any body?As An Ex Pot Head I know Better.Its Time We Start Conducting Our Own Lives Like Our Sacrificial Lambs.Who Put the Interest,And Duty To Country,Their Fellowman,And Brothers In Arms Before Satisfying their Own Eye On The Prize,And Quick Fix,Selfish Pleasures.We Always Have Expectations of Everyone else,But Little Expectations From Ourselves To Sacrifice Something We Want,For Something the Country Needs.Its Easy to vote,And Protest But The Real Patriots Are the One’s Willing to Sacrifice their Own Selfish Pleasures,On Behalf Of A stronger,More Stable,And Sober America.Just Try It;Reality Is A great Challenge,When You Are Willing to Face Your Demons,And Your Enemies Head-On.Instead of Looking For Your Courage,Or Hiding From Reality,Behind Mind Seduction Sorcery/drugs.

The only result from smoking large quantities of weed is getting fat because you get really hungry and you would go to sleep. There has never been any proven ill effect from smoking weed. Any issues arising from drug use in Vietnam was from stronger drugs like heroin, cocaine, etc….not weed. Our society has been force fed negative propaganda about weed for years about how it’s the “gateway” drug, causes brain damage, etc. For years I heard about the really old movie called Reefer Madness and finally I got to see it about 2 or 3 years ago. I laughed my ass off at all the hypocrital misinformation spewed through that entire movie. About how weed causes insanity, makes you commit murder, etc. Of all the illegal drugs, weed is so much less a threat that it’s really silly that folks are criminalized for using it. It is absolutely ludricuous that I can drink myself to death, causing harm and chaos all around me to my family and friends…but it’s LEGAL!! Cigarettes are the leading cause of cancer and cardiovascular problems…but they’re LEGAL!!! Oh…and how about all those really SAFE prescription drugs that doctors are all too happy to hand out?? Come on, get real!

Well put and good for you giving up the weed. Life is difficult at best much less compounding your problems with dope. I get high on life and helping others achieve things they thought impossible. Take away the THC and the resulting bad behavior and someone willing to listen and learn can become a VERY productive and HAPPY person. Given the current state of our nation, I think all of us need to reflect on who we are and what impact OUR behavior has on future generations lest we all perish in the foolishiness and folly of a drug enduced euphoric mindset.

Marijuana has nothing to do with the state of OUR (meaning everybody) Nation. Self-serving, corrupt Politians bent on doing what’s best for Corp. America instead of what’s best for “We The People”. Think about it. All those brilliant minds in Government working together every single day to make this country the best it can possibly be. Yea right!

THINK!

MM…..Thinking requires concentration which is something a drugged mind cannot do. Your point?

I believe you are wrong to say that using pot disallows concentration. It’s been many years for me but I recall just the opposite effect from smoking pot.

karolyn….and it seems the affects of your historical pot smoking are still present in your current “Thinking”.

SORCERY? Give me a break! Define “Pot Head”. I know serveral people who
enjoy the affects of cannibus after a days work. A couple of them run their own business and are very successful. The rest are good hard working employees in what ever they do. In fact, I’ve seen a couple plaques reading “Employee of The Month” in there some where.

Sorry but you are way wrong. Lazy poeple that smoke cannibus are just lazy people by nature. I know one. He’s always been a lazy person and always will be regardless.

My point is…You shouldn’t lable people based on YOUR experience.
Open your mind to diversity.

MM….My mind is open to the FACTS of life’s experiences not your self serving opinions and/or habits that negatively affects others.

SORCERY;Meaning Pharma,Meaning Mind,Or Body Altering.The Bible Makes It Clear.But Again Sorcery Deciples Will never Go Where Truth Is Told,Only Where Those Who Tell Them What They Want To Hear.To Justify Their Obsessive Natures.Again You make Marijuana Such A priority,For Your Life,But You Are Not Making It Your God?You Give Such High Esteem to your Government,As Your Dealer,And Distributer.You Have to Be Stoned to Believe Government Won’t Over Regulate,Over Tax,And Dilute Your Pot Supply.Right After you legalize It.Just t have more control over your life,Or Willingness to Covet from your neighbors.Just to Pay For Your Fix.As For The Drug,And Sex Traffickers,From Mexico.”SUPPLY,AND DEMAND”They Only Exist Because Of John’s,And Pimps Like you.But of Course Marijuana Isn’t Addictive.OOOOH EEEEEH;

You do know that you are not supposed to capitalize the first letter of every word, don’t you? Your post look like a retard typed them.

Craig,
Just because you don’t agree with a persons post doesn’t mean you have to hunt for things like typing or spelling to belittle them. Or is it that you can’t come up with a viable argument???

But Joe, Craig just pointed out a fact thats really quite clear.

Time…. I had no problem reading his post. Seemed to be “Quite Clear” to me. You seem to assert yourself as superior to others. You assert yourself as the all-powerfull money maker that contributes large sums of money to an ever growing list of charities, you manage MILLIONS while toking on your favorite weed, you ask GOD to have mercy on those that would dare disagree with you, you complain about the spec in your brothers eye but cannot see for the plank in yours, and then your self-proclaimed importance has been self-documented for all of us to clearly see.

I think the term you applied to me, “Sociapath”, fits you pretty well. It may be the THC factor, you think?

sook:

I’ve seen other nurses and doctors say the same. This is one reason I’m NOT a Libertarian.

At one time (about 1900 or so) it all was legal. You could go to any pharmacy in this country and get any of it. Cheap too. But in the early ’20′s it was obvious that too many people were on it and were causing crimes and a lot of families problems. That’s why it was outlawed.

They managed to control it by sending all those using and selling the now illegal drugs to prison – on the “hard rock pile”. Those who went didn’t want to go back – the prison life was too hard. Now? It’s only a college to learn how to better steal and kill.

Thank you 45 calibur.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

i smoked pot all the way through college which took me 7 years because i went through a bout of cancer about half way through. i’ve never had anything kill pain so quickly or nausea so completely. i graduated with a 3.2 gpa while rearing 2 children as a single parent who had to work full-time and received no child support. i’m just as sharp today at 62 and retain 96% of anything i see or hear. so, what’ you’re saying is a darn lie.

And what is your position on the continued legal use of alcohol and tobacco?

vicky,
I use neither and I wouldn’t use pot as well. I don’t need a crutch to get me through normal life. Now if it is used for medical uses then I know it does help certain illnesses and by that I’m in favor of it! If you don’t have one of those illnesses, then it is just a crutch like other drugs or alcohol!

Joe H. Like yourself I don’t need a crutch to get me through normal life. I rarely even use aspirin (or equiv).

You are so full of S***!!!!

Watch your mouth azzhole! You must be one of those potheads that came to this site to stir the waters. The lady is a nurse and is more educated and qualified to know what the drug can do to the human body then your stupid arse! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai: All respect to you and your wife, but she’s simply saying things that aren’t factually true and are easily confirmable as such. As a nurse, she should really know better or at the very least be willing to do the research to confirm or deny her assumptions.

Objective facts should matter when forming an opinion — if she thinks that sound scientific studies published in peer-reviewed medical journals are irrelevant when discussing an issue that is essential a matter of health and physiology, then perhaps she should find a new line of work unrelated to the medical field.

Personal observations are certainly valuable, but it’s patently absurd to suggest that her anecdotal encounters with 100 or even 1,000 identified marijuana users are more valuable than scientific evaluations of literally hundreds of thousands of marijuana users from all walks of life and from all states, regions and countries.

As a “real” historian, I’m sure you can imagine where we’d be if everyone thought this way about the value of scientific inquiry (e.g., maggots born of meat, the Sun rotating around the flat Earth, sunshine as a disinfectant, etc.).

Samurai: I neglected to ask why you end every post with “FOR GOD AND COUNTRY.” Are you meaning to imply that your position and only your position on the subject is patriotic?

As an historian, I’m sure you’ll remember the words of Samuel Johnson: “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” April 7, 1775

Perhaps, I should follow your lead and end all my posts with this profound decree.