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If Republicans Win, What Then?

November 1, 2010 by  

If Republicans Win, What Then?

If actual election-day results confirm conventional wisdom and House — and maybe Senate — Democrat majorities are swept away like yesterday’s trash, Republicans will have every reason to be giddy. Constitutionalists, conservatives and Libertarians, however, should temper their enthusiasm.

That’s because Republicans have not yet shown they understand what the original Tea Parties — that is those not co-opted by selfish, big money or globalist interests — stood for, nor have they shown they appreciate the mood of the country. This misunderstanding was made manifest in the Contract with American 2010 that House Republicans released in September and are now touting as their action plan if they gain the majority.

This attractive position paper with a fancy cover, lots of photographs of the Statue of Liberty, politicians, Mt. Rushmore, horses, town hall crowds and elegant buildings and monuments, and filled with highfalutin language is simply a propaganda piece designed to appease the simpletons. Republicans understand that Senate Democrats will filibuster sound legislation and Obama will veto whatever they manage to get passed. In other words, the Contract is classic political doublespeak.

While some of the ideas it contains are good first steps — repeal Obamacare, get the government out of the mortgage business by cutting off Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, extending the current tax rate and requiring the Constitutional authority for each new bill to be cited — others demonstrate the progressive mentality that has infected the GOP — and all of Washington D.C. One of these is the pledge to cut spending back to 2008 levels.

Two thousand eight, you’ll recall, was the last year of “compassionate conservative” President George W. Bush’s term. With the help of six years of a Republican-controlled Congress and two years of a Democrat-controlled Congress, Bush increased government spending more than any of the six presidents that preceded him, including Lyndon Johnson, according to Veronique de Rugy of the George Mason University Mercatus Center.

“During his eight years in office, President Bush spent almost twice as much as his predecessor, President Clinton. Adjusted for inflation, in eight years, President Clinton increased the federal budget by 11 percent. In eight years, President Bush increased it by a whopping 104 percent,” de Rugy writes.

So what the Republicans pledge to do involves rolling a massively over bloated, overregulated, profligate government back to a hugely over bloated, overregulated profligate government. And while the Contract talks in nebulous terms about cutting back on regulations and eliminating fraud and waste, it says nothing about eliminating unConstitutional government agencies, repealing unConstitutional laws, eliminating (or at least auditing) the Federal Reserve, requiring the President to prove his Constitutionally-required eligibility to hold office or defunding the offices of Obama’s dozens of unconstitutional czars.

Nor does it mention ending the permanent, ineffective and fabricated war on terror, except to say that it promises to pass “clean” bills to fund the troops. In essence, Republicans are promising more of the same never-ending, undeclared wars foisted on us by the last four Presidents and funded by fiat, and apparently a Republican Congress intends to continue abdicating its responsibility by allowing the military invasion of the Middle East to continue — and even plans to expand it by strengthening sanctions against Iran.

Those who predict such things anticipate a Republican gain of at least the 39 House seats they need to take the majority… and perhaps a gain of as many as 60. Some are even throwing out numbers like 70 to 100. In the Senate, the Real Clear Politics average gives Republicans 45 seats and Democrats 49, with six races too close to call. In other words, a Republican-controlled House is as safe a bet as there is in politics. But a Republican-controlled Senate is a long shot that would either require all six of toss up races to break for Republicans, or a major surprise to occur in one or more of the leans- or likely-Democrat seats.

With all the Tea Party-backed candidates invading the “hallowed” halls of Congress come January, Representative Ron Paul (R-Texas) — the man establishment Republicans love to hate — is going to have a lot of company and prospective new House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) is going to have a lot of headaches. But at least Boehner has been on board endorsing Tea Party candidates.

Not so Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). He’s as firmly entrenched an establishment Republican as there is, having been in the Senate since 1984. He endorsed Rand Paul’s Kentucky primary opponent Trey Grayson. He’s not been very receptive to the Tea Party message and, like most of the rest of the Republican establishment, sees Tea Party candidates as a threat to the status quo. It’s going to be interesting to see how he’s able to lead should the Democrat collapse become complete and Republicans win control of the Senate.

For McConnell, keeping the likes of new Republican Senators such as Nevada’s Sharron Angle, Colorado’s Ken Buck, Wisconsin’s Ron Johnson, Utah’s Mike Lee, Alaska’s Joe Miller, Delaware’s Christine O’Donnell, Kentucky’s Rand Paul, West Virginia’s John Raese, Washington’s Dino Rossi, Florida’s Marco Rubio and Pennsylvania’s Pat Toomy in Republican lockstep will be akin to herding cats — and probably as successful.

 In other words, Tea Partiers and Constitutionalists, tomorrow is just a first step. While the election will probably derail — or at least slow — Obama’s Marxist agenda, there will still be a lot of work to be done. First, establishment Republicans must be held to their promises in the Contract. Second, establishment Republicans have to be willing to work with their newly-elected brethren by putting them into leadership positions and listening to their ideas — particularly those ideas that got them elected. Establishment Republicans must realize that if they don’t embrace the new batch of Representatives and Senators then there will be more establishment seats on the chopping block in two years.

And finally, the new batch has to stay true to the principles they espoused on the campaign trail. If they betray their voters their terms will be short indeed.

It will behoove the establishment to understand once and for all that the Tea Party is not interested in Republican Party insider politics as usual and has no interest in playing their silly political parlor games. Karl Rove and his establishment ilk can denigrate king-and queen-maker Sarah Palin and Tea Party favorites like O’Donnell and prove their own irrelevance and allow the Republican Party to die, or they can embrace Tea Party candidates and change the GOP’s paradigm.

Tea Partiers are fed up with politics as usual and are clamoring for a return to the Founding principles of small government, free markets, sound money and secure borders. The elected class ignores these issues at its peril.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • JimH

    Once some of these people get elected for the first time, they have high ideals and a plan of what they want to do. Then they hit the corrupt political culture of DC. They gradually become wrapped up in the “game” or become complacent. Once they get in, it will be up to us to hold their feet to the fire and to remind them how they got there in the first place. Don’t let them get complacent.

  • chucky

    I believe the best way government runs is when the congress is of one party and the President is of the other party. It seems to slow the wheels and stagnate the hand of government. When one party runs both branches it seems to pass legislatiion that is not in the best interest of the people. This is the only way it seems to slow down the growing monster(much like the blob) the more it amasses the bigger it gets and the more destruction it causes. I recieved a cute e-mail from a friend I will share:

    I recently asked my friends’ little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up.

    She said she wanted to be President of the United States .

    Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there. So I asked her,

    “If you were President, what would be the first thing you would do?”

    She replied, “I’d give food and houses to all the homeless people..” Her parents beamed.

    “Wow…what a worthy goal,” I told her. “But you don’t have to wait until you’re President to do that.

    You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my driveway, and I’ll pay you $50. Then I’ll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.”

    She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked,

    “Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?”

    I said, “Welcome to the Republican Party.”

    Her parents still aren’t speaking to me……

    • ALAN E DEBOSKY

      WAY TOO MANY MAMBY PAMBY A-HOLES IN THE RING OF FIRE,,WE NEED TO HAVE A REAL OPEN FORUM ON EVERY ISSUE,,AND CLEAR THE SWAMP,,ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Amen Chucky. Why when Obama got elected, I went out to eat, and upon ordering, I asked the waiter who he voted for. He said he voted for Obama, and wanted to know why I asked. I said I was just curious. So after we ate, and were getting up to leave, I informed him that as I came in, there was a homeless guy outside trying to gather enough money to get something to eat, so in doing the democrat thing, I was going to give the tip he earned to the homeless guy outside, since he didnt have a job or any money. He took great exception to that, to which I replied “Isnt that what you just told me you voted for when I first sat down and asked you?”. He looked down and walked away, and I have to wonder to this day, if he didnt vote a little different this time around.

  • selwyn marock

    Yup USA is definitely “BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE” do not think much can change whichever major party wins,the best bet,I beleive is to create more Independants that have to listen to the Voters and scrap the 2 major players.It would save the States a Fortune and maybe bring back some Common-sense.

    smarock10@yahoo.com

    • ALAN E DEBOSKY

      WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THE CONSTITUTION,,AND REPEAL CERTAIN BOGUS LAWS,,AND PRESERVE GUNS RIGHTS,,THE FELONS IN AMERICA MADE MISTAKES,,CAPITAL MURDER IS THEE ONLY OFFENSE THAT SHOULD REMOVE OUR 2ND AMENDMENT,,ON AND ON AND ON!!!

  • Dorothy Baxter

    I do not understand:
    With the low ratings of the Do-Nothing Congress, why is everyone saying
    the GOP may not take it? Has everyone totally lost their memory or what?
    I say ‘clean house’ with them all!

    • eddie47d

      There is way too much manufactured hoopla and spin. It seems to work but is it honest? For the last 2 years the polls have stated that the approval rating of Congress is 18%. The Republicans fairing much worse than the Democrats. Since Tea Party members will vote Republican it all looks like smoke and mirrors. It would have been more on the upside in credibility if the Tea Party put their own name on the ballot.At least break away from the Republican Party and join the Libertarian Party.

      • Jeep

        Eddie, what is wrong with changing the establishment from within? Are you jealous that the Tes Party didn’t start with the Dems?

      • Jeep

        Oops…Tea Party…not Tes Party!

      • Michael J.

        eddie47d,
        I’m not sure what you’re smoking in that mirror, but it will probably be legal in Kalifornia soon.

      • JeffH

        fast sddie…maybe you can expand that comment and explain why the GOP is bad mouthing the Tea Party too?
        It seems to me that the old guard Republican Party is a bit concerned about the Tea Parties attempt at re-inventing a constitutional republic of smaller government, less government spending,fiscal responsibility, lower taxes, private sector job creation and general freedom as defined by the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

    • Christin

      Dorothy,
      Yea! :)
      Doesn’t congress have an “11% approval rating”?
      Wonder what (11%) losers think the congress is so great to give them their approval of SHOVING the TARP (under Bush lead by DEMO congress), Stimulus (aka Demo Pork Spending), Omnibus ( Slush fund ofr Demo), Government (taxpayer funded) Bailouts to Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, ACORN, GM, BANKS, paying for pelosi’s planes and food/alcohol bills… and try to push through Cap and Trade (aka Crap and Tax or hoax global warming), Finanical Reform (shut down Main Street), Dream Act (to collapse our Economy)… SO MANY SOCIALIST/ COMMUNIST (aka Progressive) reforms.

      VOTE out the Progressive followers of the NWO.
      Conservatives better show up to the polls in great numbers to off set the fraudulent voter schemes of the Liberal Demos.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      The house was cleaned Dorothy. You were correct in your ascertation.

  • JS

    “… go back to the from of Government that our founding fathers intended.” Tell me, GMAB, what else from the 18th and 19th centuries do you want to go back to. Horse and buggy? How about candle light and fireplaces for heat?

    In case you haven’t noticed, the world has changed a little since then. Get with it, man. This is the 21st century.

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      Sounds like an advanced case of entitlement to me.

    • Al Sieber

      JS, whats wrong with the form of Govt. the founding fathers put together and some gave their lives for? what’s that have to do with the horse and buggy days?

      • Dan az

        Hey Al
        When the lights go out and the cars dont work and the paychecks arent received I wounder what this jerk off will do then.

      • Al Sieber

        Well Dan, he’ll probably have to rely on people like us. and light a candle. we have plenty of wild burros around here to ride.

    • Michael J.

      Js,
      The Constitution and Conservatism never go out of style. Relax, today is the 1st and your government checks should arrive soon.

    • JC

      Another hysterical lefty…we’re talking about “principles” here. I guess that’s where we lost you.

    • Jeep

      That’s right JS! Screw the Constitution! It’s just a piece of paper written by a bunch of slave owning hypocrits anyway! Read Karl Marx! And, ban the Bible while your at it…

      Not…

      You my friend are a wierdo of the highest caliber. Why don’t you get with the American program of individual responsibility, personal freedom, limited govt, etc?

      • ALAN E DEBOSKY

        FREEDOM FROM SERFDOM,,INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS,,AND CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION,,OR GIVE ME DEATH…………I WONT GO PEACEFULLY!!!!!!

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        to Jeep,that paper,THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS,allows you everything,life,personal liberty,the the right to free speech,your so luckey to live here in THE U.S.A.,because in another country you would have been shot for treason,and that piece of paper as you call it “screw the constitution” i cant tell you on this site,what i think of what you have posted,but your breeding is showing,a troll,a marxist communist,left wing radical,a godless atheist,a leach,just to name the kind ones,god willing this election day your type will go back from under the rocks you crawled out from underneath,and,this is from an american that wants this nation to see the great laws that have served this republic generously for 200yrs god willing people like you will move to some third world country like bangadish,and see firsthand what real life is about,for there if you dont work you dont eat and you die,but in your case that wouldnt matter,for your mouth would get you on the missing persons list in that nation.but folks like you scream you have your rights,then wipe your rear ends with this nations laws,make up your mind up,you cant have it both ways. oh,forgot ungreatful person due no respect.

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        SORRY,JeeP,it was meant for JS (jerk slime).

      • Jeep

        No worries, I get a little passionate too when it comes to the Constitution!

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      JS Are you that narrow minded? We don’t need to go back to outdoor toilets and hand pumps outside. We need to get back to our Constitution. It was good then, and it’s still good now!

      • Vigilant

        No, Robin, JS is not “narrow minded,” but “zero minded.”

    • Craig

      Horse and buggy? This has what to do with the style of government our founders intended? You appear clueless and prone to infantile bouts of liberal emoticating.

    • DaveH

      Yes, JS, the world has changed a little since then. We have lost much of the Freedom gained 200 years ago, and now we’ve come to take it back.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I would go there in a heartbeat pal. We have a large Amish community some 25 miles from here, and I see them in places and talk with them, and those people work hard, but have nice peaceful lives, and everybody looks out for each other. Im pretty darn sure that is the way the Good Lord designed us to be, not living our lives chasing the almighty dollar, as it is written, man cannot serve both God and money. If money is your god, have at it man, and good luck never being filled, because no matter how much you get, your going to end up empty, still missing something. I watch old westerns, and I would much rather live like that, camping out under the stars as you travel, than paying 70 to 100 bucks a night for a hotel, and gas money and all that. Sorry pal, you can have this rat race. Id gladly go back to horse and buggy.

  • Santi

    This weekend I was listening to the Fox news on the elections, when out of the blue my 8 year old boy asked me, when are things going to get back to the way the founding fathers intended this country to be? I just looked at him in amazement. I was dumbfounded, I said to him that we had to vote for the right people. He just stood there looking at me, like if saying so what’s the hold up. I asked him where did you hear about the founding fathers, he responded that he listens to the history channel. Just think if we teach our kids the right way, that mybe down the line this country will head in the right direction.

    • s c

      Santi, your son has more common sense than the two shills in the White House, most of Congress and all of the evil inflicted on the world by Lenin, Marx, Stalin, Mao and Alinsky.
      The fact that he got his information from the History Channel says much about his teachers and his school (public?). Homeschooling will give him an even greater edge over his peers.
      Be proud of your son, and take care of him, Santi.

    • ALAN E DEBOSKY

      CAN I MAKE THIS INTO BILLBOARD???????????????????

    • Dan az

      Santi
      HOME SCHOOL NOW!Dont let them corrupt his mind.Thats great!

  • Ghostwalker

    One of the best things we voters could do is to pass laws in our home states, for recall referendums on Senators AND Representatives who fail to do their job when we send them to Washington. Do your job, listen to those who put you there, and protect the country, or we fire you and send a replacement. There are a few states that already have this provision, but damn few. It needs to be a way of life in all 50 States,(NOT 57, like O’Bama stated) and the Territories.

    • Dan az

      Ghostwalker
      I agree 110% thats why we need to pay attention to local elections and get the word out!

    • Agent Orange

      I think we should also have a nationwide recall provision for the president.

  • Carliss Beard

    I agree with most of your points, but I also agree with the writer who pointed out the threat in the middle east. There is an ongoing war on the United States, not because we want a war, but because the jihadists want us all dead. They must know that we will not lie down and take this.

    • JC

      An yet “Devout Muslims” are being appointed to key security positions in Government. Two “devout Muslims” were just named to key posts in the DoHS. Go figure… must be a Politically Correct thing to do.
      Still I don’t remember anyone being appointed to a key post and being announced as a devout Catholic, Baptist or Protestant.

      • Vigilant

        That’s probably because Christians are anathema to this government of atheists, communists and secular progressives. Most of the appointments have gone to the very finest graduates of the Saul Alinsky School of Radicalism.

  • timinvegas

    The 2 RINOs from maine still need to go and any republican that can’t get with the program can also be voted out in the primaries the next time around. We want conservative people who listen to the people, not a bunch of arrogant azzez that think just because thier an elected official they can do what they want. They work for us and they better remember or thier gonna be unemployed!!!!!!!!! They better start balancing budgets and getting rid of agencies that only exist for paychecks, and theres alot of those!! The first one I hear who is trying to get re-elected the day after he gets in is gonna be down the road too. Thier elected to do a job, not start over on the campaign trail!!!

  • jvr

    It all amounts to a lot of name-calling, a few good ideas and lots of bad ones. Priorities will be skewed even more toward big corporations and the ultra-rich. Some improvement?

  • Diane

    The article mentions, “Representative Ron Paul (D-Texas)” — but shouldn’t it be “R-Texas?” Ron Paul belongs to the Republican Party.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Diane,
      You are correct, that was a typo. Thanks for pointing it out. It has been corrected.
      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • Scott

    No amount of politics will solve America’s real problem: moral decline. All of the other issues are leaves on the tree. The root is that in general we’re not raising the next generation to know the difference between right and wrong. To perpetuate “Do what feels good” gets you an Enron-type scandal, where the white collars just do exactly what they’ve been taught.

    Let’s fully restore and re-instate the first freedom, the foundational one: freedom of religion. (Not “freedom of worship”.) This is the real source of objective moral standards. Such an act would be a powerful step in the right direction.

    • Michael J.

      Scott,
      You are absolutely right about the moral decline in America. But you may not be aware that moral decline was the intent of and caused by “Political Correctness”.

      • libertytrain

        Michael J. I think you may be absolutely correct in that assessment – I loathe the term “politically correct” – more and more as the years go by. It has truly “dumbed” us down.

      • Teresa

        Amen…we are the whore of all nations..and it is because of our greatness and kindness that we have become what we are. It has been written for many years our fate so nobody should at all be surprised by the outcome. But God told us to turn back to him for HE is the ONE true God and HE will save us! He also told us to put God’s laws before man’s laws and accept no other idol before him. We are naturally human and will fall short in his eyes, but we must stand firm in our beliefs and our faith for if you do not see the final days coming and the signs he has given us then you better educate yourself for we are at a day of reckoning people and our wars are only beginning, they are coming swift so open your eyes!

  • Sapphira Sez

    As long as political offices are won by the one with the most money or access to the most money, we will not have true representation. The winner must answer to the Money, and fooey to the people! Meg Whitman has spent $140 million of her own money (at least it hasn’t come from George Soros, as obuma’s campaign fund did) but she is not expected to win. I think maybe the only winners in political campaigns are the advertising agencies. Certainly not the people. We can only hold the winners’ feet to the fire and make sure the rinos understand they will be going home on the next bus if they don’t quit acting like and spending like drunken democRATS.

  • American

    I’m not too happy with the term “fabricated war on terror” Bob. It seems you’re keeping an eye on politics in general, but have turned a blind eye on what’s happening around the world in terms of terror threats.

    • BigBadJohn

      Sorry but the war in Iraq was fabricated. GWB was told by the CIA that Saddam was not a threat to national security and that he had no WMD manufacturing facilities. That report was ignored and Bush pushed on with accusations that Saddam WAS a threat. Right up till the end of his presidency GWB defended his lie.

      Bush was also told by the CIA in 2001 that Al Queda was planning an attack using airplanes as missiles. We do not know the extent of detail beyond that. But Bush did nothing, not even warn the airlines. Big question is, did he let this attack occur so that he could start a war?

      • Jeep

        BBJ, let it go! This conspiracy is getting old. As one who has participated in the war since it’s beginning, I can say from personal experience that you are wrong. And, if you want to be dead wrong, then let’s just walk away. In fact, let’s pull all our troops and operatives back to our own shores. Good plan…perhaps then you will see that your short sightedness is fallacious. It is because of the dedication, hard work and sacrifice of a small percentage of Americans that you are allowed to exercise your First Amendment rights to complain and throw out accusations. Wouldn’t it be nice if all of you complainers had to actually chase down some real terrorists? I am tired of the armchair quarterbacks…

      • Angel Wannabe

        Go Getem’ Jeep!!!

      • BigBadJohn

        So you claiming to be apart of Bush’s cabinet and privy to all the top secret info prior to the war????

        In June 2001, German intelligence warned the US, Britain, and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft and use them as weapons to attack “American and Israeli symbols which stand out.” Within the American intelligence community, “the warnings were taken seriously and surveillance intensified” but “there was disagreement on how such terrorist attacks could be prevented.” This warning came from Echelon, a spy satellite network that is partly based in Germany. [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 9/11/01, Washington Post, 9/14/01]

        CIA Intelligence Reports Seven
        Months Before 9/11 Said
        Iraq Posed No Threat To U.S.

        By Jason Leopold

        21 September, 2005
        Countercurrents.org

        CIA Director George Tenet testified before Congress in February 2001 that Iraq posed no immediate threat to the United States or to other countries in the Middle East.

        But immediately after the terrorist attacks on 9-11, which the Bush administration has said Iraq is partially responsible for, the President and his advisers were already making a case for war against Iraq without so much as providing a shred of evidence to back up their allegations that Iraq and its former President, Saddam Hussein, helped al-Qaida hijackers plan the catastrophe.

        It was then, after the 9-11 attacks, that intelligence reports from the CIA radically changed from previous months, which said Iraq posed no immediate threat to the U.S., to now show Iraq had a stockpile of chemical and biological weapons and was in hot pursuit of a nuclear bomb. The Bush administration seized upon the reports to build public support for the war and used the information to eventually justify a preemptive strike against the country last March.

        I realize conservatives hate the facts when they contradict their belief in rhetoric….

      • Bob Wire

        No conspiracy to it ! It was created plain , pure a simple.

        You wish to spit hairs, ~ America failed to lift a finger to help the Kurds when it was first reveled. Sorry ? no float. WMD’s? sorry no float.

        It was contrived by convenience; Since We was in the neighborhood, we thought we’d just drop in and offer you “Dads” most sincere warm regards. I hope you don’t mind if my “vise” D1Ck and this boys roam your outback looking for prehistoric sea shells?

      • Jeep

        Bob and BBJ, it is what it is…The CIA, DIA and all the other agencies went straight to CYA mode post 9-11. To plagerize Dr. Seuss, Should we, could we…have stopped the terrorists? I’ll answer with a big resounding…maybe. You can argue all day about the “woulda, coulda, shoulda,” from your lofty position with Sylvia Brown by your side. The fact is, we are in the middle east, and we are fighting against some really peeved extremists. You may not like it, but then you could always bury your head and hope for the best. As for the rest of us, we will continue to chase down those who are sworn to destroy us and usher them politely to “paradise”. Meanwhile, you two can continue to argue about who is right and who is wrong.

      • Vigilant

        Jeep, you’re absolutely correct.

        And BBJ, if Clinton hadn’t allowed Bin Laden to get away ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, we might never have had to deal with the tragedy of 9/11. Sandy “Burglar” Berger removed 5 classified documents from the National Archives, destroyed 3 and returned 2. I have always suspected the destruction of these 3 documents would have implicated Clinton in a conspiracy to cover up his role in allowing Bin Laden to slip through his fingers.

        Regarding any stupid conspiracy theory to imply that GWB was complicit in allowing it to happen, you’ve got to be on acid to believe the BS spewed by Bush haters nationwide.

      • BigBadJohn

        Vigilant

        Think you better check your facts on Clinton letting Osama go – true enough he did, but it WAS BEFORE we had any reason to go after him as a terrorist.

        As far as the CIA going CYA – George Tenant accepted responsibility and fell on his the knife for Bush to try to keep this quiet. The leaks got out anyway.

        Do some research on those aluminum tubes that Bush claimed could ONLY BE USED to enrich uranium. The fact is he was told by the NRC and DOD that they were unsuitable for that purpose. So GWB found another low level scientist willing to lie for him.

        What about those claims Saddam has weapons of mass destruction AND WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE? Those mobile labs turned out to be water purifiers, hell of a sales job eh?

        Scott Ritter claimed in 1998 when Clinton ordered the inspectors out that they had destroyed 100% on Saddam’s manufacturing ability and about 95% of all the WMD’s. He was EXACTLY correct, some weapons were found buried in the back of a remote bunker – but that was it!. Saddam didn’t even know that he had those weapons.

        Then there was the story he told about the Iraqi’s welcoming us as liberators. The Kurds, Sunni’s and Shia have been at war with each other for 1500 years and they are going to welcome us?

        I have a really nice bridge I’ll sell you …..

      • Vigilant

        BBJ:

        “Think you better check your facts on Clinton letting Osama go – true enough he did, but it WAS BEFORE we had any reason to go after him as a terrorist.”

        Your skewed version of the “facts” is truly a wonder to behold! We knew Bin Laden was a terrorist long before 9/11. In fact, his name was the first mentioned after 9/11 before we even knew it was him.

        It is typical of lefties like you to accuse one of not checking the facts, when the facts prove beyond dispute that your claims are bogus. “What a maroon,” as Bugs would say.

        There’s always such a convenient and selective memory when the Bush-bashers get started. They forget (or suppress) the fact that Hussein’s nuclear program was put on hold pending a resolution of western vigilance. They forget that Hussein was still not cooperating and thumbing his nose at the IAEA after NUMEROUS U.N. Security Council resolutions. Like Tony Blair said, it was a freight train heading in our direction.

        Then you say, “Scott Ritter claimed in 1998 when Clinton ordered the inspectors out that they had destroyed 100% on Saddam’s manufacturing ability and about 95% of all the WMD’s.”

        Yes, I put a lot of weight behind the claims of a man who was arrested in an online sex sting for allegedly masturbating on a webcam while talking dirty to a Pennsylvania police officer posing as a 15- year-old girl.

        “Then there was the story he told about the Iraqi’s welcoming us as liberators. The Kurds, Sunni’s and Shia have been at war with each other for 1500 years and they are going to welcome us?”

        Who gives a rat’s ass whether they welcomed us or not? We didn’t invade them to win a popularity contest. We invaded them for the same thing that the Obama gang is afraid to do in Iran: to kill a threat to the world.

        Buy a bridge? Nothing you have to sell has any value whatsoever.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Ok, so let me ask you this, and I demand an answer, which will blow a big hole in your THEORY. Now back when Clinton was president, the United Nations sent a team of inspectors to Iraq, and they inventoried all kinds of Weapons of Mass Destruction that Saddam Hussein had. There were pages of them on this inventory list. So then the war starts, and none are found. So where did all the stuff that the UN inspectors inventoried go to? I mean it was there, they counted it, they entered it on paper, and now there are none. What the heck, did Copperfield go over there and do a special and make them disappear, because he is pretty good at that stuff. Explain me that sir, where did they go. And did not all the democrats vote for this war? And sir, do you not know, that the country cannot go to war because one man wants to? It takes an act of congress, just incase you are that hypnotized by the alphabet networks. In fact sir, I personally watched Bill Clinton on TV, before George W. Bush was ever a candidate for the presidency, and Clinton stood there on live TV, stateing that Saddam Hussein was very dangerous, and had weapons of mass destruction that he was stockpiling, and that he had to be stopped. Remember that? And now, you try to convince us all that Bush did this war, illegally, and all by himself? Your nuts dude. Totally nuts, or you are just so left wing liberal agenda based, that there is no room in your life for the truth. That is so sad. I will pray that your eyes and ears are opened, that the light may come in and expose the truth to you, as you sir, definately need it.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Uh, Im still waiting for an answer BigBadJohn. And dont quote your opinions, I want facts, just as I laid them all down for you. Now refute them.

      • BigBadJohn

        Just what do you think the inspectors were doing? They were there to oversee the the destruction of of those WMDs. Just why do you think Saddam kept playing cat and mouse with them?

        They found them, inventoried them and then destroyed them!!!!
        The one or two places that they suspected of producing WMDs, but they could not prove because of Saddam’s games, were bombed into oblivion.

        The only missing WMDs are the ones that Bush made up!

    • JC

      While the War on Terror is real enough, let’s not forget that it was the meddling in their affairs by western nations that earned the animosity of the Arab world.
      So we do have cells of muslim nut jobs to contend with, but maybe we should stop forcing western Corporatism on sovereign nations.
      I don’t think we can afford to keep putting troops over seas when we really need our best and bravest here on American soil. (IMHO)

      • Michael J.

        JC,
        The Muslim’s have had it in for us for a thousand years. What we are seeing now is a result of oil enrichment that has enabled them to do the things they are doing. If oil had been discovered eight hundred years ago, the jihadists would have crashed IED ladened chariots into the gates of Chamelot. Oil money has allowed Muslim’s to go from camels to lear jets in the space of one generation and is the soul reason for what we are now experiencing.

      • JC

        I won’t argue that…but I don’t know that it is the “soul” reason.
        I take into account that the Middle East and it’s borders looked very different prior to WW2. And that the western nations divided the area up into present day countries. They “installed” the Saud family into power though they were only one of 4 royal families recognized. they did so because the Saud’s were willing to play ball. This bred a ton of lasting resentment from the rest of the Arab world.
        Apparently the people of Saudi Arabia aren’t as content with living under a brutal didctatorship as we have been led to believe.
        Doesn’t it seem as though the majority of educated leaders of the Jihad are Saudi?

        Though I do give creedence to your point that Islam in general is after world domination. And we simply can’t allow that here.

      • Jeep

        You hit the nail on the head, JC. I would never argue that we in the west have made some pretty poor decisions when comes to that whole region. But, like I said earlier, “it is what it is”. Arguing and blaming will not solve the issues we are facing today. The “block bully” may have been nice if we didn’t kick his dog, and he may have been nice if we didn’t call him names; but, we did kick his dog and call him names. So, we either lay down and let him beat us up, or defend ourselves. It may not seem right, but it is what it is…

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        They have had it in since the days of Esau and Jacob, when Esau sold his birthright to Jacob for some stew. The Islamic terrorists are the seed of Esau.Jesus comes from the family seed of Jacob. The hate started way back then.

  • sally

    I agree with Vigilant…tomorrow is time enough to think about the next step. Even if we have to chose from bad and the baddest, bad is better. Hold their feet to the fire and make sure we keep supporting Rand Paul. I don’t even live in that state but he makes more sense than any of the
    Repubs (which are always elected) in my state of Ga. One step at a time.

  • gordon claycomb

    how do i forward this to a friend?

    • Brad

      Gordon,

      Open your e-mail account, then a new message, minimize all except for the personal liberty page. Okay, now on the personal liberty page go up to the URL bar (The http://) put your pointer on the bar and right click the mouse, select copy from the items in the menu, now open your new e-mail message, right click in the message and select paste, you will see the URL hyperlinked, now send it to your friend. When he receives it all he needs to do is click on the link which will take him/her direclty to this page on personal liberty.

    • libertytrain

      At the end of the last sentence of the article there are boxes that give you choices; print, email, Facebook, etc. Just use one of those or do what Brad suggested.

  • valricoslash

    One thing the hosue outh to do is recuce funding for all federal departments by about 50 percent. Tha will force them to reduce the number of federal employees which have grow to the point that there is 2-3 employees for every real and necessary job. Reducing the federal payrole will go a long way in reducing the budget.

    • JRC

      Nice way to push the unemployment rate up by another 10 or 15%.

      This will not work unless the employment rate is low and there are enough private sector jobs to absorb them. NO politician in his rightful mind will propose this, they do not want to commit political suicide. What do you believe will happen to the GOP and the tea party if as a result of this the unemployment rate goes through the roof?
      The backlash would be strong enough to keep the democrats in power for the next generation.

      • Michael J.

        JRC,
        How about if the excess federal employees were re-directed to round up illegal aliens for processing and deportation?

      • DaveH

        There will always be that excuse, JRC, even in good times. So should we just keep letting Government drain our economy because it will cause short-term unemployment to fire the useless meddlers?
        I’m not quite ready to throw in the towel, as you apparently are. And I never will be. Our economy would easily absorb those laid-off government workers, if they were out of the way and business could operate in a Free Market.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Like the Dept. of Energy that Carter started, as a department to figure out how to wean us off of foreign oil. Now, all these what is it, 40 years later, we are using more foreign oil than ever, and are now paying over 200,000 people that this dept. has swelled to. If it didnt do what it was designed to do, get rid of it, now. Can you imagine the payroll to fund over 200,000 government employees in this department of Energy? Its got to be a billion dollars or more.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I keep hearing one thing over and over in allmost all the things I read, and people keep saying the politicians need to listen to the people and do what the people want. But there is a problem, an 800 pound gorilla in the room. And that gorilla is, politicians are lawyers, and lawyers tend to think of themselves as smarter and wiser than us, which couldnt be further from the truth. They have, as a part of their job’s as lawyers, practiced daily on twisting the truth and skewing the facts to fit their agenda to win a case. They normally dont care about truth and justice, they care about winning and collecting money. And now, and it has been this way for years, that we have a large group of lawyers, on both sides, fighting for the right to spend our money, its no wonder things are in such a mess on the political front in this country. Lawyers seem to have everything set up, on every front, where to do anything, you have to pay one of them, and at a rate that is rediculous compared to what everyday people earn. And I like I said, most of them could care less about right or wrong, or justice being served. Its all about winning and collecting money for them. And with these motives in their hearts, its no wonder nothing gets done but bickering between the two parties to see who is going to cash in on OUR money. I dont know what we can do to change it, as it would be awful hard to fight lawyer and their endless supply of dollars, so its a sad state of affairs we are in, ever since they lied and cheated their way into power. Lawyers are to blame, as they are ones that have been running this country into the ground for years. Maybe you lawyers should hear this, and do something about it.

    • Dr. Mabuse

      This is an excellent point. I’ve observed that lawyers know very little about the “Law”. But they are trained instead in protocol and procedure. I would go a step further and suggest that our “government” is two tiered… The government that you see…
      (Executive, Legislative and Judicial) corrupted as Beberoni so adroitly put it by “Lawyers” and The Government you don’t see…
      (Faux Aristocrats, Bankers, Multi National Corps. etc.)
      One aspect of the 800 lb. gorilla that Mr. B mentioned is that some of us have been hoodwinked into believing that we have a “choice” and that by pledging our allegence to one camp or another will effect real change. This problem is multi faceted and will require comprehensive thought before knee jerk re action. Kudos Beberoni, I see the wool is coming off of your eyes.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The wool came off of my eyes in 2000 when I accepted Jesus Christ as my saviour. Until then, I never paid attention to politics. I was raised as a democrat by parents who think FDR was the best thing since sliced bread, and still do to this day. But once my eyes and ears were opened, and I started studying and researching this stuff, Ive found the democrats to be, well, lets say this. I do not agree with sucking a live baby out of its mothers womb and murdering it. Ok, is that pretty clear? I hope so. And I dont agree in giving any group more rights and protections than another, so I dont believe in putting gays on a pedestal, where it is forced down my throat and my childrens throat that its ok to sodomize your friend, buts its not Ok to talk about Jesus in a government building. Im sorry, but I dont believe that being sexually perverted like that should be promoted by the government, yet it is. Im offended by it, but they say thats alright. But they arent allowed to be offended, or its hate. Are you kidding me? And I dont agree with our government, catching terrorists trying to kill us, then turning around and paying for lawyers to defend them against us? What the heck is that about? Are we nuts? And there are many, many, more things that these left wing liberal pacifist appeaser democrats do, that I am now fully aware of, and needless to say, not one that associates with them will get a vote from me. None, nada, zero, zilch. Now this isnt to say it will always be that way. It could be in 10 years the republicans go nuts, and the democrats wake up and change their ideals, and I would go with them, as I will vote for the party that represents the ideals close to my heart. And right now, promoting a perverted lifestye and murdering babies, well, that is just not appealing to me. If it is to you, then by all means, vote for them, as this is America. But me, no I will not vote that way.

    • Give me a Break!

      I don’t know how many of you are Christians, I assume its most of you, but my point is that in the bible in the New Testament, Christ literally kick the lawyers out of the Temple because of their lies and corruptions. I see the same things happening with the lawyers in this country, and if we could kicking those lawyers who are politicians out of office, would save us a lot of problems.

      • Teresa

        You might find this article interesting then:

        Exposed! George Soros’ scheme for ‘elite’ judiciary
        How does it happen that a California judge can upend millennia of accepted standards for society by saying that gender plays no role in marriage? Or a court can approve a Florida school district’s deal with liberals to ban teachers from praying – even when they’re off-campus?

        A new report by John Gizzi of the Capital Research Center, to be released within the next few days, has an explanation: A powerful move by very wealthy interests across the United States to reshape the judiciary in the mold of progressives who believe the Constitution should be interpreted through the filter of personal desires.

        And the primary force behind the move? George Soros, the hedge fund billionaire who personally provides the money for a number of liberal advocacy organizations such as MoveOn.org.

        “Because state Supreme Courts may have a say in redistricting after the 2010 Census is completed it is essential that citizens and state officeholders scrutinize who’s behind efforts to overturn judicial elections,” he said.

        “Voters don’t normally pay attention to state Supreme Court elections but if they don’t start watching them Soros could engineer a judicial revolution. Soros could install judge after judge who views the Constitution as a so-called living document, that is, a worthless piece of paper onto which judges can project their own personal political views. How many Elena Kagans and David Souters can America tolerate?” Vadum asked.

        The report follows an analysis by the American Justice Partnership that confirmed Soros already has spent some $45 million to change state procedures from electing judges to having them appointed – after being nominated by a clique of elites.

        The report, by attorney Colleen Pero, described Soros’ plans to “remake the judiciary and fundamentally change the way judges are selected in the United States.”

        Gizzi’s report explains that Soros wants to remove voters from the process through which judges are nominated, elected or retained. Instead, he wants to have them chosen by elite teams of mostly lawyers, appointed by the politically powerful and protected while in office.

        Gizzi noted the campaigns that have been launched in recent weeks, including the one in Iowa where voters stand a real chance this year of firing three of the state Supreme Court justices who ordered same-sex “marriage” created in the state.

        Similar campaigns are under way in Kansas and Colorado, he said.

        “The common denominator in Colorado, Iowa and Kansas is that Supreme Court justices in these states are initially picked according to a merit selection system,” Gizzi explained.

        “A key player in the emerging battles over state court selections is George Soros. … Soros has contributed more than $45 million over the past decade to several dozen special interest advocacy groups affiliated with an umbrella 501(c)(3) organization called Justice at Stake. … [which] has as its mission the ‘reform’ of the process for selecting state judges.”

        Gizzi continued, “A principal goal for JAS is to replace judicial elections with a system of ‘merit election.’”

        ‘Voters will never get to reject judges’

        “There are many advocates for ‘merit selection’ of state judges, but wherever you look the hand and purse of George Soros, ‘paymaster of the left,’ is obvious. Soros has the resources and the allies. If he gets his way, voters in all 50 states will never get to elect, retain or reject their judges,” he warned.

        So what’s the problem with judges being nominated by attorneys?

        “Of the appellate nominees in Missouri (where judges are nominated by special commissions and appointed) since 1995 who made any campaign contributions, 87 percent gave more to Democrats than Republicans and only 13 percent gave more to Republicans than Democrats,” the report said.

        The apparent intended result of Soros’ campaign is to have a steady stream of Democrat-leaning judges groomed and installed on the bench, the report suggested.

        Just getting the judges on the bench is the major part of the work, since federal judges serve lifetime appointments, and even in state courts there seldom are firings.

        “Sitting judges win retention elections 98.9 percent of the time,” Gizzi reported. “A sample study of 10 states … found that in 4,588 retention elections in 1964-1998 only 52 judges were not retained.”

        In Iowa, where voters are trying to remove three justices, there hasn’t been a judge booted from office in nearly five decades.

        Gizzi quotes historian David Pietrusza, who said, “The idea that appointing court of appeals judges makes for less politics and better decisions is a concept simultaneously elitist and naïve. Political maneuvering has merely moved into a shabbier and more shadowy back room within the house of politics.”

        ‘No such accountability’

        The earlier AJP report said the Soros campaign is “highly-coordinated, well-funded” and is intended to “exclude conservative, rule-of-law judges from the bench.”

        The report noted Soros’ game plan was explained by a retired judge, who said, “I do not mean to suggest that elected judges are necessarily unqualified or corrupt, but rather that merit selection is far superior to selection by election, since the voting public does not have the slightest idea which candidates are qualified or what are the qualifications for a good judge. As I have said previously, there is a suggestion that elections should be retained because they make judges accountable to the people, but there should be no such accountability.” (emphasis added)

        The California same-sex marriage decision was by Vaughn Walker, who determined that voters would not be allowed to define marriage in their own state constitution as being between one man and one woman.

        His opinion said:

        “Religious beliefs that gay and lesbian relationships are sinful or inferior to heterosexual relationships harm gays and lesbians.”

        “Rather, the exclusion exists as an artifact of a time when the genders were seen as having distinct roles in society and in marriage. That time has passed.”

        “Gender no longer forms an essential part of marriage; marriage under law is a union of equals.”
        In Florida, Liberty Counsel has been battling a case in the Santa Rosa County School District in which district officials agreed to comply with an ACLU demand that teachers be banned from praying, even off-campus.

      • Dan az

        Teresa
        So who controls soros’s strings the bildiburgs?It seems to me that we need to go after the ones that pull the strings and the rest of the puppets would just fall with them.I read the article about Santa Rosa school teachers It just amazes me that this crap can be bought by so many and not do something about it.If we dont stop them now we are never going to change anything no matter who we vote in.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Your right Dan Az, nothings gonna change until somethings done about the upper echelon elitists. They may back off pending tomorrows election outcome publicly, but I’d be willing to wager a bet that would only be for show_I think they would continue working toward the destruction of the US behind the scenes, if they are stopped completely.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Sorry Dan fingers aren’t working today___”aren’t stopped completely” is what I meant.

      • Robert S

        Dan Nothing is going to change. If you’re waiting for these armchair Rambos to do something you’ll grow a beard longer than Rip Van Winkle. The Americans have grown soft and don’t have the stomach to fight the system. Even our troops overseas have computers, cellphones and gymnasiums to make it feel like home.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Dan Az, Soros has his hands in everything, and as long as it serves his purpose he’ll do satans bidding.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        To Robert S. – You got a problem with our troops overseas having some nice things? I invite you to go the front of the line then, and see if you then think maybe, just maybe they deserve a little something something. What is the matter with you. Leave our troops and their little bit of comfort alone. That was a bad, bad statement sir.

      • Michael J.

        Teresa,
        Thanks for the info. I was unaware of Soros efforts in this area, but I will learn about it thanks to your post.
        The times we live in can sometimes seem overwhelming, but remaining mindful of the sacrifices of our ancestors and the quality of life we wish to bestow upon our descendants drives me to persevere.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And the scary thing is, is Soros owns the democrats, and they owe him many, many favors, and being that the guy is as un-American as they come, for one, it shows the true leanings of the democratic party today, and two, one has to wonder as to just how low they are willing to stoop to pay this guy back. That is the real question concerning George Soros and the democrats.

      • Bob Wire

        “Christ literally kick the lawyers out of the Temple because of their lies and corruptions.”

        Money changers darling.

        “In this episode, Jesus is stated to have visited the Temple in Jerusalem, Herod’s Temple, at which the courtyard is described as being filled with livestock and the tables of the money changers, who changed the standard Greek and Roman money for Jewish and Tyrian money, which were the only coinage that could be used in Temple ceremonies”

        But I understand your association and you are right! , lawyers probably did have a hand in this event.

        A temple of worship had been turned into a place of commerce and JC took strong exception to it, finding lacking in reverence.

        Quite a political statement I would think and subject of much talk still to this day. A man who taught by example.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        This was God in the flesh, removing this abomination from His Temple. And when He comes again, many, many abominations will be removed forever. That is the hope I am very looking forward to.

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    You’re exactly right, and it makes me want to up-chuck.

  • Michael J.

    Since everyone is bearing their gripes today, I might as well list a couple of mine. In addition to all the obvious:

    #1 We need a confidence vote at the ready when any elected official is not doing a good job. Why should we have to wait 2, 4 or six years to fire these lofty civil servants?

    #2 Expose Political Correctness for the covert Cultural Marxism that it is. It’s hard to name one current issue that political correctness is not responsible for. Take time to read the truth. http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/

    • Angel Wannabe

      michaelj, In my opinion, Political correctiveness is nothing nore than mind control lite. It’s the elite driving public opinion. Just like the major new media outlets, only report the liberal side. If you only one side of a problem for long enough, your opinion will shift. Unless if your like us and reconize it.

      • Angel Wannabe

        sorry for typos, fingers ain’t workin yet__lol

      • Joseph C Moore, USN Ret

        There is such a thing as proofreading what you just typed. Corrections at this point will keep you from seeming to be an illiterate.

      • Craig

        Really? Typos make you seem illiterate? By whom? Who makes up this malarkey? I see peoples typos as just that, typos. Has no bearing on their intellect. Just a common mistake. Not like typing a post on the internet is the same as typing a paper for college or business. Your wife wont leave you if you make a typo, nor will your kids. Typos are NBD…No Big Deal.

      • Michael J.

        Joseph C Moore,
        No offense Mr. Moore, but Obama doesn’t need a typing Czar and neither do we.

      • Joyce from Loris

        What a jerk you are, Joseph C Moore, USN Ret. Who made you the “Typo police” anyway? We are discussing issues and ideas here, not in typing class. Brains work faster than fingers sometimes. Everyone here knows the passion of Angelwannabe, and the absolute value her ideas offer to these discussions. Back off.

      • Vigilant

        My guess is that you were a commissioned officer. Am I right?

      • Angel Wannabe

        Thanks all :)

      • Bob Wire

        No Zone for spelling police please. ~ we are not pro’s and proof reading for the dyslexic like myself is 60% at best. ~ And then spell check is a click of a mouse away from just another error.

        I suggest you 86 the attitude and leave it at the door when you walk in. I choose to read with nibble comprehension of what the poster is attempting to presented us.

        For truly wise men rarely write. They are written about.

        This is rapid fire dialogue for the most part and we don’t need any syntax police here. ~ If it gets too bad, say something in a “kind” way or just quit reading it. Easy enough? Myself? I don’t read Caps! I rarely read poor spacing. That’s our personal choice and yours too.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Joseph C Moore,
        Are you by any chance a ring knocker???? You sure as hell sound as up tight as one!!!

      • alpha-lemming

        To respectfully disagree. PC-ness is censorship, plain and simple. Not using certain words or ideas in conversation used to be common courtesy. Now, ALL concepts/words/theories gets the label at every opportunity (can’t say “terrorism” any more) so the left doesn’t have to argue merits, or run the risk of people thinking for themselves.

        The right has a LOT of problems, but I’ve yet to hear one demand of an opponent “he/she be fired and taken off the air”. That thinking’s so common on the left it’s almost cliched.

      • Michael J.

        alpha-lemming,
        With due respect, “Political Correctness” was intended to have far greater effects than just censorship. The creators of this outwardly benign term who were disciples of Karl Marx had nothing less in mind than the total breakdown and collapse of western culture in order to institute communism in it’s stead. The fore fathers of this plan have since spawned the likes of Saul Alinsky and Cloward Piven.

      • alpha-lemming

        Agreed…… that WAS always the desired outcome. Censorship (aka control of the language) is merely the vehicle to get there.

      • Vigilant

        Is anyone here old enough to remember George Carlin’s five words you don’t say in polite company? In those days, they were swear words (curse words, actually).

        Today the curse words are in common usage on the airwaves, but you can’t say a host of PC-incorrect ones. How times change.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Vigilant__Oooo _ My hands up to be called on!!!!_lol_ loved the guy!__Even as narrator on Thomas the Train!!

      • bruce

        if you think pc is wrong i dare you to go up to harlmen and yell the N word and live to tell about it

      • Angel Wannabe

        Bruce, Politically correct and down right ignorant is two different things. Calling people slang term names for they’re skin color is down right mean & ignorant, while we have free speech, your asking for a fight, aesthetically speaking. ___ This politically correct crap is what I call “mind control lite”. I blame the Liberal news media b/c they use it politically to drive public opinion in the direction they want it to go. And if used long and hard enough, it changes opinion. If your forced to use words that “other people” decide that are appropriate to use, then your being controlled, and not exercising your full right to speech.

      • libertytrain

        Bruce – the word you refer to has nothing to do with politically correct – that word was considered a nasty word right from the get go.

      • Vigilant

        Angel and liberty:

        Thanks for the support.

        You are correct, of course, and you have the ability to see through the BS put out by the left. They would paint every conservative as a rascist in an attempt to stop a discussion dead in its tracks. Funny thing, they’ve played the race card so often that they don’t realize that even well-meaning liberals don’t appreciate the tactic any more.

        They’ve even gone to the point of not understanding what the word means. If you are a reasonable, clear-thinking person who sees the destruction of our country due to illegal immigration, you are innacurately labeled a rascist. Well, who said the left was smart anyway?

      • Bob Wire

        just exactly what makes you think that the “left” has cornered the market on this behavior? You was make good sense until I got to that point.

        Your Bias seems to be larger then your hat band. I guess it’d be too much to ask that you work on that?

      • Angel Wannabe

        Bob Wire, the reason I believe the left corners the market on driving most of the public opinion, is b/c the left owns pratically all the major news media networks, TV, Newpapers!__ Fox is the only one on TV!_We have radio with Rush, Mark Levin, Glenn Beck, Wilcow on Sirius Herman Cain, and other lesser known news reporters and blogs.__ but I’m no BSer, I’ve listened to our local news media, & world news up until two years ago. They reported nothing, and I mean nothing compared to FOX.

      • Vigilant

        Bob Wire,

        You said, “just exactly what makes you think that the “left” has cornered the market on this behavior? You was make good sense until I got to that point.”

        I would like to know (serious question) what PC behavior is espoused by the conservatives in this country. I’m not being sarcastic here, I’d really like to know.

      • Vigilant

        Well, Bob Wire, I’m still waiting.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree Angel. But the problem is, there are an awful large amounts of liberals, who sit around and watch the brain sucker all day, and they are constantly bombarded with the pollutions of the liberal left wing agenda, and they start believing it. I mean I think it becomes like brainwashing them. If they would get a life, and turn the thing off, and do some serious educating of themselves, they might find some truth. I myself choose to research and study things, to find out the truth. Even in church, I dont take what the Pastor says as the gospel truth. I get out my Bible and educate myself to see if God’s word backs up what he says. That is how a lot of people get sucked down the drain in cults, as they listen to the words that a person tells them, then they blindly follow it. The same applies to politics. You cannot blindly follow what they say. Research them and see if their actions back up their words. See if their voting records backs up what they are saying. Too many on the left are just blind disciples, and if they say go drive your car down the sidewalk, they would go drive their car down the sidewalk. Its sad, but its true.

    • TIME

      MJ, I agree with you; just as with any job they should not be covered if they fail at the job, they should be fired ASAP.

      As for the PC crap, its about time to dump that pant load ASAP too.

      • john

        Unfortunately the pc crap is entrenched pretty well now into the mindset of our country..it’s the curriculum of all our school systems..it’s the mantra of the media..it’s the money of special pc groups that fills our politicians pockets.The way to fight it is to re-educate your children at home from what they’re taught to accept.The other way is to stand up against it with protest and be ready to be smeared and labled…it’s the call that Christ calls us to..to pick up the cross and follow Him.He was politically incorrect for His time..He endured mockery,abuse,false imprisonment,a sham trial where the witnesses lied openly..He was put to death..but in the end those who did heed His call perservered and won out over their enemies..we too must struggle,sacrifice and persevere and be ready to take the fall as long as others keep rising in our place..otherwise we’ll just keep dancing and singing the same old tune.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Alot of people I hear saying, they are tired of voting for the lesser of two evils, quite frankly that’s the reality we’re left to vote for. If a box with the word frustration beside it was on the ballot box, most of us would check that. If we keep the likes of whats in the White House now, we’re screwed. If we vote newbies in there, along with the career politicians, are the newbies going to be strong willed enough, NOT to end up being corrupted too.__No matter what you do, or how you vote, It’s all a risk!!!__ We need Representatives Staying in touch with the American people, instead of locking themselves away in the DC Utopian bubble. But more importantly these politicians need to be LISTENING to the American, People and not doing anything they damn well please, just to further their own agendas. It will be interesting to see if, Washington does change hands tomorrow, how much this group will play into to hands of the Financiers, those who pull the strings. At best I’m hoping for a more balance in the House and Senate. Cynicism and skepticism among the voting public is rampant, and lying politicians, financiers( the puppet masters) are the biggest threat we’re facing._Question is, will anything change?__Time will tell._ And we’ll be watching!

    • Soldier

      This is why the tea party needs caffeine and become the coffee party (not the democrat hijacked coffee party). We need civil disobedience to bring out the K-9s, water cannons, etc. Its time we live free no matter the costs. Just becuase tyranical laws pass, doesn’t mean we have to actually obey them.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Soldier,
        Actually some teas have more caffein than coffee!!! Just make sure THAT is the TEA the party uses!!!

    • eddie47d

      You are so correct Angel. Unless we can change the financiers (puppet masters ) in our country it will be business as usual. The new members will soon fall under their spell.

      • s c

        Woof! Give it up, Eduardo. You keep making the same mistakes that some libertarians and some conservatives make. That is, you see what you’re supposed to see, and you don’t put much effort into seeing what you need to see or recognizing the difference.
        Until you learn the difference(s) [no, I won't hold my breath], you’re clueless today, you’ll be clueless tomorrow, and you’ll be clueless a year from now (consistent, aren’t you?). “Financiers”
        are only part of the problem. Do you REALLY think your role models and icons are never in bed with financiers or their Wall Street puppets?
        The idea that your controllers are above being ‘influenced’ by money proves that you’re a willing robot for people who couldn’t care less how well you’ve been ‘trained.’ When they no longer need your “talents,” you’re history, dude.
        By the way, wasn’t that NEAT when Stewart called The Anointed One a dude on TV?

      • Bob Wire

        Don’t watch TV , Stewart who? Was it “neat” or just “funny”?

        and yes, the wealthy have but one vote to vote their “Interest”. Being greatly out numbered at the polls, they have devised cleaver little games for people to play and make the average American feel vested with the wealthy, willing to vote their vote while they really have very little in common.

        Who could blame them? I surly don’t, it’s necessary, required, of you are a person of great wealth, you must protect yourself. They found good friend to help them out on Capital Hill inside both camps.

        They can make people rich or make them less rich. They can build you up or tear you down.

        Special interest is a force not to be ignored. I see no way around it.

        Unless you can take the money out of politics.

        I don’t dislike the rich or envy them for their lot in life. They have to deal with the greed and corruption of other in a much bigger way then I do.

        I’m grateful for such a blessing. I’ve got my hands full keeping the thieves out of my work trucks and cooper scroungers off the roofs of my office building.

        But I tell you one thing, I’d never smoke cigarettes named “Sky Walker” or give my life saving to a man name “Madoff”.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        sc,
        the best one was when the one pol told Nobummer to take his reccomendation and shove it!! I know that isn’t the proper word but I’m having writers block at the moment!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        That would be the fed, and the democrats owner, George Soros. No doubt about it.

    • Harold Olsen

      I AM through voting for the lesser of two evils. When you do that, the result you get is evil wins. I live in Seattle, and the choices for the Senate we have in Washington State are Patty Murray, who is rated the most stupid member of the Senate and whom the rest of the Senate muzzles so she doesn’t make speeches that have sound bites that show just how stupid she is (in one of the debates she bragged about helping to write the Obamacare legislation), and Dino “I’m not a politician I’m a businessman” Rossi. He claims to be a conservative and oppose abortion but won’t sign the “Sanctity of Life” pledge or pledges to cut wasteful spending or to lower taxes. I believe it’s because he would not keep those pledges and if he won and ran for re-election it would be used against him. Also, it gives him an excuse to vote with the left. He claims he won’t sign them because he will not let anyone tell him what to do and that says to me that he will NOT listen to the will of the people and we have enough idiots who won’t listen to the will of the people in DC as it is and we don’t need another one. I wrote in Clark Didier’s name on my ballot. He just happened to be the TEA Party candidate.

      • BrotherPatriot

        I feel the same way Harold…matter of fact I wrote sumtin up above in an earlier comment. Oh…his name is Clint Didier…and I really want to cast my vote for him as well…but it worries me immensely that might split the vote away and give Patty Murray the win.
        :(

        So what to do…write in Clint Didier which there isn’t enough educated Washingtonians aware of even who he is thus splitting the vote for a Patty Murray win…or vote Dino Rossi to help get her out for sure? I’m honestly torn. I really, really, REALLY want to write in Clint…but I feel the smartest move is to throw the vote to Dino.

        *sigh* Guess I’ll find out tomorrow what I’ll do. Damnit! Wish Clint had won the Republican nomination…him losing the nomination has sent my Spidey Senses just a tingling!

      • DaveH

        BrotherPatriot,
        Voting for a candidate who you don’t really approve just rubber-stamps that person’s bad agenda. It would be better to vote for nobody.
        Here’s what I think is going to happen. The Republicans will gain enough seats to become obstructionist (a good thing in my book) but the MSM will hammer that fact for the next two years. If the economy doesn’t improve (and it won’t), the Republicans will shoulder the blame, because, let’s face it, the majority of the electorate is ignorant. They are walking right into the Democrat trap unless the voters start getting really educated in matters economic (I won’t hold my breath for that to happen).
        So, what difference does it make anyway if you throw away your vote on somebody who won’t win, but at least represents what you would truly like to see in a politician?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The liberals are trying already to rip into Rand Paul. The guy is going to stand by his guns and do what he says. He is going to try to trim government as he says. He is going to send his message to Washington. The liberals are as scared of him as they are of Sarah Palin. How dare someone come in and actually serve the people. They just dont understand that kind of action, and its a sad, sad thing. I hope the guy shakes things up, and Im behind him.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Harold the lesser of two evils are the ones, who say one thing campaigning, get elected and do something, all together different after the election._-Its been going on for decades. Its bad enough we are staring at the real possibilty of loss of our republic, whats even worse is when you can’t trust any one.

  • Vigilant

    With all due respect, Bob, this article should have been published the day AFTER the election, not the day before.

    The tenor of the article leads one to believe that it’s a pre-election sour grapes gripe that not enough Tea Party and/or Libertarian candidates have been put forward for consideration.

    While that may be true (and I agree with you), today is not the time to be throwing cold water on the fervor and motivation of voters to get out and rid the halls of Congress of the left wing masters who would ruin this country. We who believe in the Constitution need all the votes we can get.

    Tomorrow will indeed be a first step. Let’s remember that having most Republicans elected or reseated (with the exceptions of Snowe, Collins and Graham) is still infinitely preferable to putting up with the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Waters, and Durbin.

    • Soldier

      I would say that most visitors to this website are either paid Moveon.org operatives or genuine constitutional conservatives like me who know damn well what is at stake. I have already voted anyways.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Soldier, they are many more folks on here who know whats at stake and why. When a Country becomes more corrupt than honest, it begins to crumble. Point is, is there anyone left either in public office currently or running for one, who’ll stand up for us before it crumbles completely.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Angel,
        very true!! I’ll be 60 next month and I haven’t missed a vote since I was eighteen years old!!! I was at the polls at 6:45 this morning!!! The four of us walked over as usual!!!

      • Angel Wannabe

        JOeH, I missed one time and I’m 54, my Mother was not expected to live, I was at the hospital.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Anyone, and I mean anyone, who would take any money from moveon.org, is a moral leper and has lost their way in life.

    • Bob Wire

      “With all due respect, Bob, this article should have been published the day AFTER the election, not the day before.”

      Struck me the same way Vigilant.

      Bob’s hedging his bets it seems like to me. And then too, a writer that must produce something almost everyday that is insightful, is constantly under the gun, looking for an angle a way into a story.

      By election days end, what will be the story? How much time does a writer have to create a good piece? not much , I figure.

      It’s down and dirty, read’em and weep tomorrow.

      I’m not worried and I’m not scared. Will I celebrate? probably not.

  • Dan az

    If all the libertarians would change there status to republican/libertarian
    then we could eliminate the problems with voting third parties as did Ron Paul.We need them in to bring back the constitution and the bill of rights.I don’t like the Idea of another two years of rino republicans we need the changes now not latter.I don’t like taking chances that votes would be lost because some people are afraid the third party would not stand a chance because they have never won one yet.So lets let them no they need to change the ballots so we can get the most needed in.It seems simple to me,maybe because I’m just simple minded.

    • CJ

      Unless somebody runs who will support the Constitution, the problem won’t go away. You can’t fix a problem when you only have defective parts to choose from.

    • alpha-lemming

      Wish you were right. The rap against Republicans/social conservatives (certainly some justification in the indictment) has always been, “they want to control what occurs in your bedroom”. The problem with Dem/prog/lib/commies (also documented and demonstrably provable) is “they want to control what occurs in EVERY room, your wallet, your car, your yard, your kids’ head/school/ciriculum, your charities/passions, and your religion”.

      There’s more, but the sentence was already in danger of going “runaway”.

      • Bob Wire

        “The problem with Dem/prog/lib/commies (also documented and demonstrably provable) is “they want to control what occurs in EVERY room, your wallet, your car, your yard, your kids’ head/school/curriculum, your charities/passions, and your religion”.

        I guess name calling is still in vogue? I think you are getting the Fed mixed up with the state.

        since it’s documented and unique to the DNC as you say, it should be an easy matter of offering support rather then inferring support.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I dont know what you are talking about, when you say the Republicans want to control what goes on in my bedroom. They have never pressured me that way, and they have never tried to move into my bedroom, and if you feel that way, maybe your doing something that you know you shouldnt be doing, or something like that, because personally, Ive never felt that from anyone, anywhere, and I refuse to. But then again, Im not doing anything wrong or disgusting or imorral in there.

  • Give me a Break!

    Not the solution for all our problems, but a step in the right direction. The possibility of a total tea-party or third party control in this country is nearly impossible, but not out of the question. A third party would help balance this country’s imbalance, but more people need to see and be more educated on the constitution and the original ideas of our founding fathers. The next step would be to once again unify the people of this country and once and for all eliminate socialism in any form and go back to the from of Government that our founding fathers intended. This can be done but not immediately, it took a long time to get here, it will take some time to get back. Voting the Republicans back in with a large amount of Tea-party Conservatives would help to change course and help steer this country in the right and only logical direction. At this point, change isn’t instantaneous, buts its all we’ve got.

    • Conservative at Birth

      Those of us who agree with the Constitution of the United States need to take control of the Republican Party not form a third party, and get rid of the RINO’S.

      • J.M.R.

        i agree with c.o.b. the third party would only split the conservatives not lying liberals.

      • JRC

        To make sweeping statements like all liberals are lying is the same foolishness as liberals saying all conservatives are inbreeds and high school dropouts. Sweeping statements like that will alienate more then you think and in the end will divide this country to a point of destruction.

      • RivahMitch

        “Lying” or not, the only good liberal is a dead one. I don’t allow them on my property.

      • Harold Olsen

        I disagree with you. While a third party may split the Republicans, I don’t think it would split TRUE conservatives. TRUE conservatives will support politicians who are TRUE conservatives and not just someone who has an “R” after his name. That is why I don’t consider Newt Gingrich and Sean Hannity to be TRUE conservatives. Gingrich supported the Republican in New York whom he knew to be a liberal but admitted that he supported her ONLY because she was a Republican. Both he and Hannity still consider Scott Brown’s win in Massachusetts to be a conservative victory in spite of the fact that he, like McCain, has voted mostly with the left since taking office. I feared this because, although I had not heard of him prior to him running for the Senate, I learned after he became a candidate that he had a liberal voting record. No conservative victory there. There is talk of the possibility of both Hannity and Gingrich running for president in 2012. Neither would get my vote.

      • MSL

        Hasn’t anyone in the Tea Party thought about doing to the Democrats what they are doing to the Republicans? Getting Tea Party Candidates as nominees?

        One of the problems we have it a highly polarized government. I’m not saying that the Tea Party should stop trying to move the Republican Party back toward constitutionalism, they should. But, why limit the effort to the Republicans? There are a lot of states where Democrats hold strong majorities that can be worked on, too.

        Polarization doesn’t help things, it just makes for conflict. We need to get rid of the Kennedy’s, Bidens, Dodds and Clintons. We also need to make sure that their replacements on the ballots, like that “bearded Marxist” Coons, are not actually worse.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Actually thats not correct…technically…a Third party would have a greater chance of getting elected if supported by only 35% of the voters! If you take 100% of the Votes and divide it by 2 someone has to get 51% to Win….If you divide it by 3 only 34% majority. Actually defeating the 2 party one party problem only requires a small %. The majority of Voter could want the other 2, and combined, at 66% they are a greater number, but WHO WINS is WHO has the Winning %.

        So the problem isnt no chance its a brainwashed American populance not understanding because it requires more thought and effort on their part to understand. Fo years people looked at the 3rd party after election day and would say..”My guy would have won if those third party voters didnt steal those last few my guy needed to get elected” A Typical negative spin that make it look impossible or counter productive.

        Somewhere I read an article (here?) about the 20% solution? Its actually 35%. :)

      • Patriot

        A third party is not the answer, well said! It is turning the Republican Party back to it’s’ roots. We start with the Republican Party if they do not understand the message, we make them, by voting out all establishment politicians, then we can work on the Democrats. If they cannot understand the Will of the people we will make them by voting out all career politicians more then 12 years you have served long enough especially if you have not demonstrated the basic principles of government restraint. The sleeping Giant has awakened and will not sit idle any longer, stay engaged, Vote tomorrow and stay the course! November 2, 2010 is just the start! Keep the Faith!

      • ALAN E DEBOSKY

        YES,,WE NEED TO CRUSH THEE ESTABLISHMENT,,GET TO THE TASK AT HAND,,WE REALLY NEED TO RE-TRAIN AMERICA ON WHAT EACH VOTE MEANS,,AND OF COURSE SHRINK GOVT TO 70%,OF ITS SIZE AS OF NOW..

        REPEAL ALL PAY RAISES FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS BACK TO 1995..HOWS THAT!

      • bruce

        so you would get rid of denfense

      • bruce

        so you would get rid of what

      • http://?? Joe H.

        ALEN D,
        I’ll definately go for getting rid of their raises!! If a raise isn’t warrented for social security and vets disability then a raise isn’t warrented for the politicians!!

      • DaveH

        When have the Republican roots ever advocated Freedom? As long as I can remember they’ve been trying to save people from themselves – gambling laws, pornography laws, drug laws, prostitution laws, etc., etc.
        And the real irony is that none of the above laws work. They only cost us a lot more money for enforcement (that is the ‘us’ that aren’t employed by Big Government).

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The government cannot save people from these things Dave. And I cant either, and neither can you. None of us can. Only one, Jesus Christ the Lord can save us from anything. I know you dont believe, but one day you will, as you will get your chance to meet Him, as will all of us. But your right, the government wastes billions on the masquerade of fighting these things, when they have no intention of stopping them. The system is set up by lawyers. And lawyers make millions upon millions of dollars nation wide on marijuana trials, and prostitution trials, from public defenders getting paid with our tax dollars to defend the guy with nothing that gets busted, to the high profile F.Lee Bailey type attorneys who represent drug dealers that are millionaires that get caught. They pay the lawyer, the lawyer pays the judge, and the guy walks. All because lawyers have no scrupples and no morals, and money is their god. It is written Dave, that man cannot serve both money and God. And since lawyers seem to pretty much have no conscience about setting the guilty free, I would deem it a save bet that they have no Jesus Christ in them, or they wouldnt do these things. Just a thought.

      • Bob Wire

        Conservative at Birth says;

        “Those of us who agree with the Constitution of the United States need to take control of the Republican Party not form a third party, and get rid of the RINO’S.”

        ““During his eight years in office, President Bush spent almost twice as much as his predecessor, President Clinton. Adjusted for inflation, in eight years, President Clinton increased the federal budget by 11 percent. In eight years, President Bush increased it by a whopping 104 percent,” de Rugy writes.”

        Hey! you are late! ~ and the only reason you are late is, “why”?

        Tell us why you are so late. I’d like to hear it. “I’d like to understand this “Tardy-ness”, something that makes sense besides blaming it on a democratic congress that was held hostage to commitments that they themselves did not make!

        I’d like to understand why you would wish us to believe “You Get It” and now you have the cure.

        Forgive me , for I’m not attempting to pick any “one person” out personally for this ” support ” for “W” his administration and out of control spending. But he flew a GOP Banner.

      • dahni

        Who got Stimulated?

        Jobs Gained or Lost Since The Start of the Recession
        Federal Government: +198,100
        State Government: -6,000
        Local Government: -128,000
        Private Sector: -7,837,000
        Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress, and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party. They controlled the budget process for FY 2008 and FY 2009, as well as FY 2010 and FY 2011. In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.
        For FY 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the FY 2009 budgets.
        And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete FY 2009. Let’s remember what the deficits looked like during that period:
        Deficit: in Billions(approximate)
        2000 +236
        2001 +150
        2002 -200
        2003 -380
        2004 -410
        2005 -320
        2006 -300
        2007 -250
        2008 -420
        2009 -1,850
        2010 -1,400
        Projected: 2011-2019 -800 to -1,200 billions

        If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the FY 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets. If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.

        In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.

      • BigBadJohn

        High school civics

        The PRESIDENT submits a budget to the congress laying out what he wants to see and what he will accept. The congress then writes a budget, if they so chose they can ignore the presidential request, but that is a guaranteed veto. The congress then submitts the budget to the Senate, where they approve, change, delete or completely stall the budget. Once the Senate is done with it they submitt it to the president. If the provisions that he requested are not in the budget – HE VETOS IT.

        The PRESIDENT with his veto power has more power and say in the budget than congress and the senate COMBINED, unless the congress and the senate can come up with 2/3 of the votes to over ride his veto.

      • Bob Wire

        “In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th”

        In a nut shell ~ he didn’t either? ~ he opposed the war and opposed the spending ~ but overrode. ~ As I say before 110 & 111 congress is being held hostage

      • Bob Wire

        “If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the FY 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets.”

        “IF”?????? “W” attempted the Reaganomics 23 ski doo Play, Fake left and go right play. Leaving the nation in an deficit spending and increased national debt.

        “Reagan very significantly increased public expenditure, primarily the Department of Defense, which rose (in constant 2000 dollars) from $267.1 billion in 1980 (4.9% of GDP and 22.7% of public expenditure) to $393.1 billion in 1988 (5.8% of GDP and 27.3% of public expenditure); most of those years military spending was about 6% of GDP, exceeding this numbers in 4 different years. All these numbers had not been seen since the end of U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War in 1973.[14] In 1981, Reagan significantly reduced the maximum tax rate, which affected the very wealthy, and lowered the top marginal tax rate from 70% to 50%; in 1986 he further reduced the rate to 28%.[15] As a result of all this, the budget deficit and federal debt increased considerably: debt grew from 33.3% of GDP in 1980 to 51.9% at the end of 1988 [16] and the deficit increased from 2.7% in 1980 to more than double in 1983, when it reached 6%; in 1984, 1985 and 1986 it was around 5%.[17] In order to cover new federal budget deficits, the United States borrowed heavily both domestically and abroad, raising the national debt from $700 billion to $3 trillion,[18] and the United States moved from being the world’s largest international creditor to the world’s largest debtor nation.

        [19] Reagan described the new debt as the “greatest disappointment” of his presidency.[18]”

        I don’t suppose we’ll hear “W” admit to such a thing?

      • Bob Wire

        Not to mention, ~ there still more of the stimulus money yet to be spent for various reason. It was never the plan or intended to just be dumped into the system like a tablet that was to bring instant relief.

        In some cases GOP Governors has sandbags programs in hopes of midterm GOP political gains that so many knuckle heads seems so willing to buy into.

        It didn’t work! I told you so! The same person being most willing to ignore the promise of tax cuts “creates jobs and stimulates the economy”

        It’s just a matter of what we seem to be willing to focus on.

        Myself , I try hard to look at “ALL” of it. I don’t watch the news, I do watch C-pan on occasion. I read the news and events.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I will agree to the point that Bush didnt get spending under control, as I thought he would. However, when looking at the so called amount Bush spent, people often fail to consider in, all the costs associated with 9-11 and Hurricane Katrina. They also fail to take into account, that Bill Clinton had cut the military and intelligence communities almost in half, and it took a great deal of spending to get them both back up to par where the country could be safe again. That is a lot of cash to spend doing this. Then one of the biggest expenses at the onset of a war, is the getting all the men and material to the war zone. Astronomical cost. Now there are those who would say, “well we shoudnt have gone to war”. Ok, then we could have sat there like Clinton, and let them blow up the World Trade Center basement the first time, and the USS Cole, and the setting up and planning of 9-11, and not do anything about it, which is what he did. And we could have sat back and let Saddam control the whole middle east, and just trash it all like Hitler did to Europe before we acted. And he would have been a lot more powerful had we waited until then. I thank God George W. Bush had the moxy to stand up for us against an enemy that has sworn death to us, and that struck us more than once already. Im glad he wasnt a pacifist like Clinton. But back to the point, all this stuff costs money. What do we have to show for it? A cleaned up 9-11 site, a recovered Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and Georgia, a free country of Iraq. Now Barack has came in, and in his first 8 months, he spent more that the Bush admin did in 8 years. What do we have to show for it? Unemployment has climbed from 4.5 to over 10 percent and rising. The enemy has been emboldened and empowered by him providing them lawyers to defend them. But financially, we have nothing good to show, just one failed thing after another. Well, the democrats did spend some of those BILLIONS on buying future UAW union votes by giving them all that cash. But weve nothing to show, and you want to give him a free pass. Aint that special.

  • s c

    First, whoever wants us to think of George Bush as a ‘compassionate conservative’ needs to take several years of remedial English. Second, Republicans need to grow spines and brains and do the right thing. SCREW the RNC and its daily addiction to power and money.
    Conservatives and libertarians can eviscerate socialism, communism and fascism. This twisted administration and most of the current members of Congress are not fit to be thought of as public servants.
    Last, it’s time for the staffers who cater to the whims of those who are elected to be tossed out on their arses. Congress is a cess pool disguised as a country club, and the White House has been for sale for many years.
    Flush the toilets, America.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      s c … Well said! Old time GOP leaders are going to have a wake up call almost as brutal as the left liberals. They had better see how important it is to listen to the voters and instead of each other. The country club is now going to be forced to let in those who do listen to the voters and those who think they don’t have to listen to us may find themselves in the unemployment line the next election!

      • http://mtv.com Bozo The Clown

        get ready for the interment camps CAMP FEMA, money no good New World Order

      • http://naver samurai

        Bozo says it all, BOZO! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Al Sieber

      sc, you’re being too kind.

    • http://www.magnuspi.net Bert Magnus

      Now we are talking sense. I could see the same old stuff when certain republicans started picking on Sarah Palin, afraid one of their hand picked idiots might not win the presidency if Sarah haS A SHOT AT IT. So, tomorrow is a good start, get rid of the Dems and SOS Republicans.

      • Denniso

        Bob Livingston is right to point out that Bush busted the budget and doubled the national debt in his 8 yrs,and the Dems didn’t make him do it. The Repub establishment that backed him is still in power and will be if they win back the House and maybe the Senate. Boehner has been there for 18 yrs +-,backed Bush in every aspect and he is set to become speaker. McConnell is also the party establishment and will be empowered if they take the Senate. The supposed tea party uprising is already being swallowed by the Repub party and it’s candidates will be blips in the power game in D.C. The energy of the tea party is just being used by the ‘party’ to regain power and will then be sat in the corner and told to shut up and learn the power game.

        Bob is way off base in suggesting that the ‘war on terror’ is fabricated and is only used for political purposes. If libertarians,Repubs and tea party people believe that, then they can be sold anything. Most people know and accept the fact that fanatic Muslims,lead by people like bin Ladden,are interested in killing Westerners and Americans…the question is why? Because we have imperialistic adventures in the Middle East? Because of our globally dominant culture that they abhor(along w/ many of us)? Because of the instability and violence caused by the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians,and our overt support of Israel? Sure, there are plenty of reasons behind the terrorists wish for our deaths,but that doesn’t mean the ‘war on terror’ is fabricated for political reasons.

        For a more sane foreign policy that can more effectively deal w/ this complex issue,vote to keep Dems in power. Did the 8 yrs of Bush/Cheny make the world more peaceful or less so? It will be the same party establishment in power that helped inflame hate and fear, if the Repubs regain control.

      • Palin12

        denniso
        Too late for your impassioned plea. I voted for 1 dem (county treasurer) and 1 independant (governor), all the rest republicans. The champagne’s chilling as we speak. The only thing that will keep Angle from being my next Senator is a rigged election. The Secretary of State has already received several complaints that people voted for Angle and the printout said Reid. The SEIU goons are also bussing in the rank and file and standing over them to make sure they vote “the way they are supposed to”.

      • jimmy joe

        Good for you Palin 12.Let me offer an Idea of mine. that if every true Constitutional Conservative shut down the phone lines in Washington D.C.And demanded from this new congress.It would begin seperating the Wheat from the Chaf.”Know them by their fruits”Everytime A disgruntled Politician gets caught with their fingers in the Honey Pot,Betraying the voters,Who Trusted their words,And Oath to the Constitution,As well the Political Party,They said they represented,And would caucus with.Demand your leaders make a pledge in writing before you elect them.To Dance with the one’s that brought them.No more changing horses/PoliticalParties,And Caucauses,In the middle of the stream/Or before they are re-elected,To another term.Voters Keep getting the shaft from these Benedict Arlin Spector’s,I’ll be your Judas Iscariot,Charle Crist’s,And WAAAH its my seat Crybaby,Lisa Murkowsky’s.Its not enough though to just hold the Republican party accountable.There Must be Legislation to hold both parties equally responsible.”Know them by their fruit”Legislation,I would call;”Dance with the one’s that brought you,Not with the one’s who bought you”Even if it doesn’t pass right away,As under Barack Obama it won’t.But everyone will know with-out a doubt,Who are the sell-outs,And who are true to their words,And their oath.Which brings me to my final point.What would happen to anyone of us,Who put their hands on the bible Swearing to tell the truth,the whole truth,And nothing but the truth.Swear to uphold the law to the best your ability.Then Intentionally,Lie,Obstuct,And violate that oath.(PERJURY)Consequences;Jail,Fines,And Yes,”REPERATIONS”To those victimized,Who were lied too obstructed,And Constitutional rights violated.These same people hold our feet to the fire when we cross the line.WHOOPS;Unless of course if you are here Illegally,A Drug,or sex trafficker,Or a terrorist.Which makes my point.As the late Jack Webb,On the 60′s tv show Dragnet used to say;just the facts,And thats the law.Jimmy Joe,”The Liarfryer”

      • Denniso

        ‘Constitutional conservative’??? What the hell is that? A rude,uncivil dummy playing w/ guns and wearing them to political protests? You people are so clueless that you don’t even know that your rightwing,unamerican side has controlled the Supreme Court for over a decade,and it’s they who decide the constitutionality of laws passed by Congress. Your side’s grasp of the use of the constitution is like that of a third world dictator. You want to live in a fascist place like Iran? Move…

      • Wim Vonk

        Well said. Too many people have already forgotten the mess that Bush/Cheney left behind in foreign affairs. The US has first to learn that it will have to change its continuing support of Israel in all Middle East affairs. I do not suggest we should abandon Israel, just to be a little more neutral. Too many people are using the word Marksist to apple to Obama policies. This is ridiculous. In European and Canadian terms Obama is well right of centre. There is no left wing party in the States let alone a Marksist one

      • Wordwaryor

        You must be standing so far to the Left that you can’t even see the Right. Obama and his minions are Socialist – Marxists who want to take this country fully into European style socialism. And, THAT will NOT be America any longer. This is why so many Tea Party people are up and angry…… We want our country back to what made it great in the first place. Freedom, Private Property, States Rights, and Capitalism.

        Plain and Simple.

      • Denniso

        Palin12…you’re spreading myths. No one is standing over workers and watching them vote,that’s not allowed anywhere and that’s a stupid comment.

        If you get Angle you have my pity…she’s a know nothing w/ essentially no ability and no knowledge of the system. It will serve you people right if you get such a dimwit for a Senator.

        You rightwingers are always trashing the pundits and mainstream media…now that they presume to know that Refubs are going to do well,you love them.

        The Refubs will probably win the House, but no the Senate. The Refubs will have to actually work at fixing our messes and won’t be able to whine that they have no power as they throw bombs at Obama and the Dems. The joke of a ‘tea party’ will began infighting w/ the Refubs as they see how they are co-opted by party politics. It will all work toward Obama winning easily in 2012.

      • Denniso

        So does Wordwaryor favor ending social security,medicare,education,police and fire services,the CIA, the military,FBI,water treatment plants,U.S. hiways and the interstate system,condemnation laws for oil/gas pipelines,NASA and all space exploration????

        This is a modern, nuclear superpower that leads the world in most things. You want to return to the 19th century? Tell us what aspects of our society you would get rid of to reach your ‘dream’ country….

      • a progressive nightmare

        I find it facinating that DUMNISO could call someone a dimwit. If Angle is a “Dimwit” then that would make DUMNISO a MORON incapable of voting. Think about what she just said and the arrogance of that statement after she and other progressive-morons elected this totally incompetent piece of work we have in the WH…i.e.; SEIU/ACORN community organizer….THE OBLAMAMAN….. Even worse, we have a congress and a WH full of these progressive-marxist-morons that couldn’t comprehend the constitution or FREE MARKETS if their lives depended on it. Given that, why would we possibly think they could actually understand the TP movement.

        Bottom line, hopefully we can get a large part of these jack-booted marxist-thugs out of office come tomorrow and then continue to press forward until we RESTORE the REPUBLIC.

      • eddie47d

        Rev. Nightmare; Oh yes,let’s rush to restore our Republic and give it back to the free market thieves. Our jails aren’t big enough for all the corporate weasels that got away with their crimes. Look at all the loot that the Enron eschelon got away with.Some were never prosecuted and left with $30-60 million each.This latest insult is far worst so who’s to say crime doesn’t pay. There may be a few hoodlums in Washington now but the career criminals will be back after Tuesday. The Chamber of Commerce will make sure they are bought and payed for in advance.

      • Palin12

        Denniso
        Before you resort to the same ole tired democrat playbook of calling more conservative people than you stupid, please read the Nevada Secretary of State complaint (he is a Democrat, BTW) regarding union activities at early polling locations. Don’t take it from me, take it from your fellow democrat:
        http://www.redstate.com/erick/files/2010/10/unioncomplaint.pdf

        Angle is not a know-nothing idiot as you suggest. She worked over 20 years as a school teacher in addition to serving in the state assembly where she tirelessly voted against tax increases (property taxes in particular). I do not like career politicians (especially lawyers) in DC and would like to see term limits imposed. If you think she is so stupid, why does nearly everyone agree she bested Reid in their debate? Did you watch it? It’s on YouTube. She took charge from the very beginning telling Dirty Harry to “Man up Harry Reid”. At the end when the candidates were each given 90 seconds for their closing remarks, Reid stumbled around for about 30 seconds, looking through his notes saying he had a lot of paperwork here looking like an old fool with Alzheimers.

      • DaveH

        Eddie,
        You are way behind the times. We haven’t had Free Markets in nearly 100 years.
        And when is the last time any business forced you to buy their products? How can somebody steal something from you when you don’t have to buy it?
        Only when Government is involved, do we have to buy anything. Like Healthcare Insurance.
        Theft, Eddie, is when somebody takes money or property from you against your will. Like the people you support do.

      • jimmy joe

        Oh Boy;Another give the Hamas terrorist another billion dollars to murder jew children in Israel,Then maybe they will love us.I bet the Dancers in stripjoints,Love it,When you walk in.Let me try to exlain it.Its this simple;Nothing we can do,Will every satisfy these bloodsuckers on humanity.Their religion requires Islam,Under Shari’a law.Which is exactly like Progressive Marxist Liberalism,Under Political Correctness.Or What I call”lucifer’s Law”To have their Beliefs,And will,Exalted above anothers beliefs,or will, God,Humanity,Human life,And Human liberty/Free will,And any who refuse to Submit,Reform,Or is Inconvenienient to them,Does not have the right to Exist.Yea;This sic-o-phant Religion is Just like Progressive Liberalism.No wonder they KUM-BA-YA so well,Together.Against Americans,And our troops.And want to help C.A.I.R.Build A shrine to the 9/11 hi-jackers.Jimmy Joe,”The Liarfryer”

      • eddie47d

        Dave H. No wonder our country is in such a mess with your twisted version of thievery.With folks like you they’ll be back in full swing real soon.Ceo’s know how much they can pilfer from the vault so they won’t get caught. If they do get caught these “legal” hoodlums still come out smelling damn good.

      • spike

        You know, Wim Vonk and others (et al) …. I have a question to ask of you.: Does the debt that we are in under the Bush administration count the debt of the 2 wars? Aren’t wars expensive? Well, that would add to the budget deficits under Bush, wouldn’t it? Not that I am defending the idiot. But I want the truth told. Am I right?

      • Vicki

        Eddie47 writes:
        “Dave H. No wonder our country is in such a mess with your twisted version of thievery.With folks like you they’ll be back in full swing real soon.Ceo’s know how much they can pilfer from the vault so they won’t get caught. If they do get caught these “legal” hoodlums still come out smelling damn good.”

        Please enlighten us about these CEO’s that you claim have stolen (pilfer) something and explain what was stolen.

        For those who actually use English as defined, DaveH did not twist the definition of thievery but simply untwisted what Eddie47′s appears to be.

        From the m-w.com dictionary:
        Thievery: the act or practice or an instance of stealing : theft
        Steal: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice.

        So as you see DaveH did not twist the definition nor use of the word.

        I hope I do not have to point out the definition of wrongfully to Eddie47. (<—- Possible subtle Ad Hominum attack. I'm so bad :) )

      • Denniso

        I call Sharon Angle a dimwit because of her dimwitted positions on the issues. Is she herself a dimwit,in other words dumb? I can’t say,but her lack of any sense in how a country has to function makes me wonder. So,she resists all taxes? How should we pay for the gov’t we have that provides things like a military,police,fire protection,highways?? Privatise all of these functions? Force people to hire their own private security and pay directly for the military?

        Dumb…

      • Palin12

        denniso
        She never said she’s against all taxes and neither have I. I myself voted for a 0.25% increase in sales tax to hire 200 more cops in Vegas. What we’re against is OVER-taxation to pay for frivolous things we can do without, such as $1.7 million a year to pay for Michelle Obama’s 20+ personal assistants, an expenditure that none of us benefit from. Or the death row inmate that was given a heart transplant that cost $1 million, and then died anyway 3-4 months later. This time tomorrow we should know. Harry can’t win on direct appeal to the people of Nevada; he can only win if the election is rigged.

      • DaveH

        So, the ignorant liberal Eddie thinks if his gang becomes big enough, then theft magically becomes moral. In Eddie’s warped mind, pulling the voting lever and letting somebody else do the dirty work of theft (Government) absolves him from any wrong doing.
        http://mises.org/daily/4125

      • Denniso

        Sorry DaveH, for the correction, but we have never had ‘free’ markets. Do you really believe that 100yrs ago when the oil monopolies and railroad and steel barons controlled the economy,that we had ‘free’ markets? What an ignorant statement…

      • Denniso

        Palin12…too bad for your loss of the ‘shoe in’ Angle. She couldn’t beat an old,uncharismatic candidate like Reid…not even close. Lick your wounds,’man up’, and greet another day w/ the Dems in control of most of the Gov’t. The sun will still shine on you if you smile and act like a grownup about your devastating loss.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The moment we stop protecting and defending Israel, is the moment we are finished. Do you not understand that?

      • old white guy

        there is only one reason why muslima hate us. it is called islam. the so called holy book, the qoran, exhorts the followers to kill or enslave us any other reason is just plain bs.

      • Vicki

        Do they actually hate the infidel or are they just supposed to kill them?

      • LeRoyZ

        That doesn’t make sense. Islam is not the reason, Islam is the religion, isn’t it?

      • Robert S

        OWG Why are you bringing up Islam. We are talking about the elections.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        It is the classic tale of good versus evil. Christianity, Jesus Christ, is prevalent in these United States. It represents all that is good, righteous and wholesome. Islam is evil. Straight from the bowels of Satan. It says kill, kill, kill, hate, hate, hate, all things of Satan. Now these Islamic terrorists, see the evil going on in this country, what with the pornography, drug abuse, prostitution, and they arent smart enough to understand that Christians are against these things. They associate the western culture with Christianity, and its just not that way. However, as Christians, we dont believe in going out and killing people that go to strip clubs, bars, brothels, or do drugs. We believe in trying to help them see the light, and praying for them that God may deliver them from these things that keep them from enjoying the good life that God has planned for them. Many are missing so many blessings God has for them, because they keep rejecting Him and insist on living in darkness. But still we Christians pray for them, as we want them to have the light that we have received. However, the Muslim Islamics, seek to kill anyone who thinks anyway different than they do. They want to kill the guy that goes in the strip bar, because he is an infidel to them. And they want to kill be because I worship Jesus Christ, the true and only living God there is. I am an infidel to them also. That is the difference between Christianity and Islam. Christians want the light to be in people, and pray that God will provide that, as we cant, only God can. Muslims see you do something different than what they do, and your deemed only worth of death to them. Big, big difference.
        So you people out there that like to bash us Christians, just be aware that we are no danger to you. We seek to help you, and want the good things in life for you. The muslims want you dead. Thats the true picture. Thats why the Bible says our battle isnt against flesh and blood, its against spiritual forces. Satan roams around looking for people to devour. He has devoured this whole middle eastern religion.

      • vicki

        “Islam is evil. Straight from the bowels of Satan. It says kill, kill, kill, hate, hate, hate, all things of Satan. Now these Islamic terrorists, see the evil going on in this country, what with the pornography, drug abuse, prostitution, and they arent smart enough to understand that Christians are against these things. They associate the western culture with Christianity, and its just not that way.”

        Ok I am confused as to your point. If Islam is of Satan and pornography, drug abuse, prostitution is evil I.E. of Satan why again are those committed to Satan trying to destroy western culture which you claim is also of Satan?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Because they masquerade as being above this stuff, but they are not. Just like all of the 9-11 bombers, all had receipts from porno theatres and were know to have bought hookers, yet their religion forbids it, but they partake of it. They consider us evil, because we have these things in our country, and they are right, it is evil stuff. Am Im a Christian and I reject this stuff. But I dont strap a bomb on the back of my 6 year old and have him walk into a theatre and blow it up. And really, neither do they. They walk into a crowded mall and do it, instead of attacking the so called evils, they just blow up innocent people, because to them, all American’s are evil and must die, when the truth in fact, is they are evil. To even conjure up thoughts of blowing yourself up, to go into a mall with women and children you dont even know, and blow them up, because their skin is different than yours, and their nationality is different than yours, and their religious beliefs are different than yours, is straight from the bowels of satan himself. If you dont understand that, and cant make the connection, then I cant help you. Evil doesnt care who it kills. They kill themselves all the time. It is a hate filled religion, whose very tenants declare that anyone who thinks different from what they do, is an infidel, and deserves to be put to death. You can call that peaceful if you want, but myself, knowing clearly and seeing clearly in my life, as to what is from God, and what is from Satan, the picture is pretty clear about these guys. And yet while they would love to take me out and cut off my head, and yours too mind you. Yet I, and my fellow Christians as followers of Jesus, will pray for them, and would love nothing more than for them to have their eyes opened and find the love and peace only knowing Him can bring, and that may have eternal life in Heaven after they leave earth. Instead, many of them kill themselves, in the act of killing others, and the just reward for that is ending up that one fine day being thrown into the lake of fire. So Im not sure just what you dont understand. Evil consumes evil everyday, it always has, and it always will. Evil doesnt give, it takes and consumes. Anymore questions, I would be glad to try to help give you an answer. Have a good day.

      • crystals10

        Ok, well then can you point out a viable set of Dem candidates? Perhaps one that wont send all our jobs to other countries? How about one that supports our 2nd amendment rights to bear arms? I am fed up with all these high paid liars!!! Vote with a conscience, and do your research on each candidate before you go to the polls. Let’s take back America NOW!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        There is no viable set of democrats. Not now anyhow. That guy in West Virginia that is against Obama’s policies isnt bad though. Unless he was lying to get elected.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Your not even close as to why the terrorists hate us. Your looking in the wrong place. They hate us, because we represent Christianity. They are muslims, running around in darkness blinded by satan. They seek to put out the light in the world, which is America that brings goodness, fairness, and light of Jesus Christ. That is the sole reason they hate us. Satan leads them into battle against the light. However, we are imperil here, as we keep pushing God to the curb and kicking Him out of everything and everywhere. There will come a time, when He tires of it, and He will remove His hand from us and allow a lesser enemy to take us over. But He will always save a remnant for Himself, as He always has, and He always will. Only this time, the remnant just may be all that He saves, as the end times are near. Could be next week, could be 100 years, only He knows. But it is coming.

      • vicki

        If they hate us at all they do so because we are NOT Muslim. They are instructed by their belief to kill NON Muslim. Christians, Jews, Atheists etc makes no difference. The SINGLE defining factor is NON Muslim.

        Now as I remember there is an opportunity to live in the Muslim world as a slave (Submitting to Islam even though not a believer) and paying Jiziah as long as you are a Christian or Jew and useful to Muslims.

        http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/1554http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/1554

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Vicky, you say “if they hate us”. If? If? Come on, I think its pretty clear, I mean they said they are going to kill us. They kill themselves trying to kill us, and have said they will not rest until they kill us or die trying to kill us. In everyway possible, they have vowed death to us. Not tolerance. Not trying to live beside us in harmony, like we promise them they can live in the United States free to practice any religion they like. No, they will not tolerate Christians, Jews, Catholics or anyone different than themselves. And you say if? This kind of thought pattern is what gives them the power to go on, and empowers them to continue in their destructive path, because people like you give them a free pass. Meanwhile, they would like nothing more than to cut your head off on live TV in front of millions, while their followers cheered them on. Those are the facts, and its not pretty, but its reality.

      • vicki

        Beberoni says:
        “Vicky, you say “if they hate us”. If? If? Come on, I think its pretty clear, I mean they said they are going to kill us. They kill themselves trying to kill us, and have said they will not rest until they kill us or die trying to kill us.”

        That is not evidence of hate. That is evidence of commitment.

        Beberoni: “In everyway possible, they have vowed death to us. Not tolerance. Not trying to live beside us in harmony, like we promise them they can live in the United States free to practice any religion they like.”

        We would be fools to allow the practice of ANY religion they or anyone else likes. There are lots of religions out there that still believe in sacrifice. Animals are not always the object of said sacrifice.

        Beberoni: ” No, they will not tolerate Christians, Jews, Catholics or anyone different than themselves. And you say if?”

        They will tolerate Christians and Jews in particular as long as we submit to Islam and pay the head tax on the Dimmuni(sp).

        The definition of hate:
        a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury.

        Since all the ones I have heard of are out to kill us because their RELIGION says we should die and who knows how many do it for the promise of paradise I do not see “fear, anger or sense of injury”
        Of course they are hostile but what is the aversion?

        And does their hate or lack thereof matter. All that matters is their ACTIONS.

        Beberoni: “This kind of thought pattern is what gives them the power to go on, and empowers them to continue in their destructive path,”

        What empowers them is their RELIGIOUS belief. Use that belief to our advantage. http://www.islamreview.com/articles/islamsweakness.shtml

        Beberoni: ” because people like you give them a free pass.”

        And what free pass would that be?

        Beberoni: ” Meanwhile, they would like nothing more than to cut your head off on live TV in front of millions, while their followers cheered them on. Those are the facts, and its not pretty, but its reality.”

        I have been warning for years those not at all pretty, but quite, real facts.

    • JC

      When did Ron Paul become a Democrat?

      • Bob Wire

        wondering that myself ? Wasn’t he a Libertarian? typo my guess?

      • JC

        Gotta be a typo. He’s actually a Republican Congressman, with Libertarian leanings. A small “c” conservative and Constitutionalist.

      • BrotherPatriot

        I noticed the same thing…yeah, he’s (R-Texas)…

        Good morning, everyone…pretty excited for tomorrow but I am alittle dissapointed at the same time. Here in Washington State there was a man named Clint Didier…he was runnin for the Republican nomination but lost to Dino Rossi. Nothing against Dino but he did have 2 elections stolen (the first time his Democratic opponent had the votes recounted 3 times…each time gaining more votes until the 3rd recount gave her the win)…and if that were me, I would have thrown a tantrum. Dino pretty much stepped back quitely. The next cycle he ran against her and lost again. Here we are approuching the 3rd time and honestly…Clint Didier was supported by the Tea Party (Sarah Palin endorsed him…which in the end didn’t matter)…and in my opinion Clints idea’s were sound and he seemed a solid American Statesman willing to step up to the plate. But instead…we have Dino again. So my point is…I feel like manipulation is already occuring and once again I’m being given the choice between 2 evils. Of course I’ll vote for Dino but…sure wish Clint Didier was the one my vote would go for. Even if I write him in…it will only take votes away from Dino…so Dino it is. I believe Clint would have done a betta job of it. There’s my 2 cents…but yes, I’ll be votin tomorrow you can be sure of it!

        God Bless AMERICA!

      • Wanda Murline

        To Brother Patriot: I know how you feel…we had a new conservative that was gaining in the polls runnind against the Republican Governor who has been in office for 3 terms and one of the Texas Senators. I was very mad at Glenn Beck over this because he told us to find good conservative, constitutional candidates…we did…her name was Debra Medina, and Beck finally gave her some time on his radio show…he literally sabatoged her and made fune of her, and talked about how good looking our present Governor Perry was…kinda like Chris whatever did about Obama sending chills running up his legs. After Beck completely demonized our candidate, she lost the percentage she had gained after winning two TV hosts with the other two people. I was sooo disappointed, but rather than vote for a Democrat who is a former mayor of Houston and gave sanctuary to illegals and almost bankrupted Houston, I stayed the course and voted for the Republican. It will take us a little more time to flush all the toilets, but if we stand together as a grassroots and keep our standards high, we will eventually have clean drain pipes. Vote this Tuesday like your life depends on it, because it does.

      • Christin

        Bob Livingston,
        Great article… you state what we fear that the Republican wins may not lead to a Constitutional Conservative majority… if the elections are not so fruadulent as they showing to be.

        JC,
        Bob does state that Ron Paul of Texas is a “Republican” (not Demo), but I think Ron Paul is actually a Libertarian running under the Republican banner… Just like the Tea Party backed Constitutional Conservatives are running under the Republican party as well.

        Wanda,
        I agree that Glenn Beck’s comment about Candidate Debra Medina being a truther or what ever it was had a devistating effect on her. As she said we don’t have all the facts in … was it a real muslim attack on 9/11 or a false flag attack with help behind the scene??? I voted for Debra Medina anyway. My brother and sister -in-law went to see Debra and listened to her and they said she was the one to vote for.

        I still listen to Glenn Beck on FOX as I think he and his research team are finding out much about America… that which is good with the Founders, God and the Constitution and that which is bad with its’ evil tenticals in the various socialsit/communist groups funded by George soros. Glenn has the right idea and is on the right path, but he should just stick with the truth as it is known about the candidates and not read into things that are not yet known.

        My spouse voted for Perry with his Highway 69 from Mexico to Canada and we canceled each other’s votes out. Perry is definately a better candidate than Socialist Dem Bill White who wants to take all our rights away and force obamacare on us.

        Speaking of nobamacare… see what lack of care you will get and what they will force Doctors to do (that stay in the business) and how they will punish physicians if they don’t follow the DC health panel to give you lousy care…

        Go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ

        …and see what is in the obamacare law instore for ALL of us whether a Rep, Demo, Ind, or Lib.
        Better vote in people who are professing to REPEAL and DEFUND obamacare.
        (Shoot we were about to go through this with hillary clinton… any one remember hillarycare?)

    • mrdave98765

      So what have we learned in 2 millennia???

      “The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
      Cicero – 55 BC
      Evidently nothing…

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Nothing.. as long as our Money is controlled by a Private Bank…AKA the FED RES, we are doomed.

    • eddie47d

      The term “compassionate conservative” was more hopeful hype than reality.It went the way of the dinosaur and many Republicans rejected it outright. The term took away their “tough guy” image that they wanted to perpetuate. Sadly the Right ended up being about as compassionate as Hannibal Lector. I know you are going to say that the Democrats are too good at giving away other peoples money, so save your breath.

      • Bob Wire

        I think “compassionate conservative” & “thousand point of light” was “H” Bush attempt to put a softer face on the GOP and pick up some swing votes.

        an attempt to change the GOP image of being harden and calloused to the needs of the “working man”

        While maybe sounding good to some, just another attempt of the Tiger changing his strips, as still today the GOP wrestles with an image problem.

        That the Tea Party wishes to put their own “Brand” on the GOP is “Noble” in many ways perhaps but the Tea Party still shows us, they too, are disconnected from the majority of “WORKING” American as they wish to return to the past, to a place, no one can ever return to, as much as we might wish it so.

        To complain about Federal Taxes that are as low as they have ever been I suppose. To complain about the national debit while defending taxs cut. To complain about 8 million for main street stimulus as main street has been a victim of Wall Street,the recipient of a huge bailout. The Tea Party truly does not represent the average American but a fractured splintered disenfranchised group of the GOP with common core 2nd amendment rights that wish to believe they are under attack. (and they are right! but has little to do with guns at this point)

        Health Care Reform will not be repealed as too many people will have scrambled into positions to benefit from the adjustment on the supply side by the time enough power has been mustered to ever attempt it.

        “It will behoove the establishment to understand once and for all that the Tea Party is not interested in Republican Party insider politics as usual and has no interest in playing their silly political parlor games. Karl Rove and his establishment ilk can denigrate king-and queen-maker Sarah Palin and Tea Party favorites like O’Donnell and prove their own irrelevance and allow the Republican Party to die, or they can embrace Tea Party candidates and change the GOP’s paradigm.”

        I personally believe you’ve got the tail wagging the dog. The Tea Party will be but a footnote in history, but I don’t wish to discourage your efforts to work inside the system for change. I feel many of you expect too much,too soon from all your vibrato and efforts.

        This attempt to break government interdependency is only as good as the people behind it. ~ it needs to start at the local level before it goes to the Hill. But that’s not what we see happening. You can get the Fed off our back only to have City, County and State jump in with both feet. You’d be no better off then when you started. In fact it’d be worse and we’d see Trash Police, Code Enforcement driving your neighborhoods. Traffic cameras on every corner, increases in registration, fines , fees and sorted penalties, “failure to notify in 15 days, failure to register in 15 days, etc. There is no end to administrative penalties.

        Government only wants two things from each of us, our compliance and our money. This the battlefield where each of us fight for our personal liberties.

        I don’t enjoy the notion of politicians holding public office with a hand full of “God’s Will” trump cards myself. How about you?

      • old white guy

        term limits for all and failing to follow the constitution results in immediate recall. failing that use the second amendment. things will change.

      • Denniso

        Compassionate conservative??? Now there’s a lie for you. The overwhelming majority of ‘conservatives’ are only compassionate toward their own families,if even them. They are almost totally lacking in empathy for people not connected directly to them. That’s why they are mostly concerned about money, their money. Most of what they are screaming about is monetary…a couple hundred thousand dead innocents in Iraq? They don’t count at all to most ‘conservatives’. Anyone hear any sadness from the right about that issue?

      • Michael J.

        Denniso,
        Compassionate Coservatives, yes that’s us. Built this country from scratch. Defended it from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Because of Political Correctness indoctrination we have been brainwashed into showing empathy towards sexual deviants, illegal aliens and America haters who dream of this countries collapse so they may inflict upon us a socialistic nightmare which has only suceeded in causing the deaths of over 100 million individuals worldwide in the twentieth century alone.
        A now dead dictator of Iraq and his band of associates are responsible for all the dead in Iraq.

      • Denniso

        You’re not showing much compassion,are you…and I’m dreadfully sorry that you and your tribe are so easily brainwashed…too bad for you. Try thinking a little and maybe you won’t be so easily manipulated.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Where do you get the line that federal taxes are lower than theyve ever been? I looked at my check stubs from the last 5 years, and they are not reflecting this. In fact, somehow, mysteriosly, I seem to be having more federal taxes and social security taxes taken out these past two years. Hmm, I wonder how that could be. Has anyone else taken a look at the taxes taken out of their weekly checks? Compare these last two years, against previous years. I dont know how Obama and his boys did it, but they are taking more money from me than was being taken two years ago, and Ive made less money these past two years, so go figure. And wait until he cancels the Bush tax credits, and business’s all over the country start paying more. Millions are sure to lose their jobs. I cant wait until 2012 when we can get rid of the rest of these tax monster losers.

      • Denniso

        If you can’t figure out how much your taxes are compared to what they were yrs ago,then your hopeless. Your company is probably taking more out for health insurance as the rates have gone up in the past several yrs and they are trying to save money by having you pay more. SS has not changed in some yrs and tax rates were lowered by Bush in’01 or so,and are still down. Maybe your company changed your deduction schedule…maybe your state taxes went up? Surely you can solve the puzzle.

    • JRC

      The sad fact is, that for all the hype and all the stirring up of the gullible fools on either side, NOTHING and I mean NOTHING will change. Even the new people will join the corrupt majority within the first six month and it will be in the same ole same ole.

      • Terri

        I have a gut feeling that the tables have turned and that true conservatives, “get it”. I think that the SOS republicans realize that
        “we the people” are not only paying attention, we’re angry and we’re tired and “we’re not going to take it anymore”. For republicans to go back to business as usual will end the party; if that’s what they do. With the tea partys and the internet and communication the way it is now they can’t do what they did and no-one know or hear about it. I have a good feeling that they’re really going to get back to their conservative roots or they too will be exposed and booted out. I also think Barak Obama was meant to be in this position and we were meant to have this far leaning left admininstration in order to wake up the American people to stop being so complacent about our country and what our politicians are doing. Well, most of us anyway. It’s time for people to be held accountable for what they choose to do in their own lives instead of being “taken care of” by the rest of us no matter what choices they make. I have faith…we are exactly where we’re meant to be. :)

      • Season’d Sitizen

        Well said. Thank you!

      • Robert Smith

        “we the people”

        Too many have forgotten “We the PEOPLE” and tried to rely on their GOD.

        They are in error.

        Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        The only myth on this site is your referring to “the seperation of church and state”, because it isn’t in the Constitution. OK, moron? If you want to debate me on this, I invite you to try. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Denniso

        Samurai…your civility is breaking down. So you and Christine O’Donnell need the establishment clause spelled out for you in big,simple letters? Even most educated ‘conservatives’ agree that it means literally seperation of church and state…You somehow know better than even most of your political allies? It’s only buffoons like O’Donnell,Beck,Limbaugh ,Palin,who are too dumb to understand the wording, and you want to be on their dimwitted side in this?

        Give it up Sam, the battle over the meaning of the 1st ammendent is over…get on board and save your vitriol for another fight against the educated people.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        dumnisso,
        show me paragraph and line in the constitution where it states word for word separation of church and state!!! You, my ignorant non-friend are the dumbazz not samurai!!!

      • Denniso

        Sorry,but the founders were mostly educated people and thought that average people could understand a simple phrase. You make my point exactly and willingly by demanding to see a word for word comparison like kids in kindergarten. You probably want the constitution written out in large,red,block letters too…so you clueless ones can read it.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Denniso, why are you always so confused and will not listen or examine the facts? The constitution does not say separation of church and state to your degree. It is saying that the government cannot force their type of worship down your throat. Thats it. Your free to worship your cat if you want, and good luck with that. The government cannot come arrest you for it and force you to worship a pile of money, or whatever they want you to worship. Thats what it means, ok. Get over yourself. And we have gone strictly downhill since we kicked God out of schools and government, and will continue to slip down the hill until we reverse course. God’s hand developed this country and made it great, when we gave Him thanks and held His name up high. Now that we have moved Him down, the country has fallen down also. Just the facts man, read em and weap, because its the historical truth. But I know, your a democrat, and you believe in re-writing history to read they way you think it should have been, not the way it really was. Good luck.

      • Denniso

        Let’s try this once again, and I’ll try not to insult your intelligence. Do you understand that worshiping God is religion? In this country it is mostly the Christian,but even if it’s another like Islam,Hindhuism,etc, it is still religion. You said,’when we kicked God out of schools and gov’t'…don’t you get it? God is religion! The establishment clause says that the gov’t cannot make any law w/ respect to religion. That means that the gov’t cannot have a connection to ANY religion,since to force God into schools and gov’t you essentially have to legislate it, write it into the law. Much like the rewriting of the pledge w/ ‘under God’ put into it in the ’50s. It is written into law, and that is exactly what the 1st amendment forbids. A believe in God or Jesus or mohammed is a belief in RELIGION. Making kids recite ‘under God’ is a part of religious belief. Having kids memorize the 10 commandments is religion…having those over a courthouse door is religion. Religion belongs in your heart,home,church…not in taxpayer funded facilities or learning.

        Think about it.

    • Harold Olsen

      Re: George Bush: To quote Charles Krauthammer on “Special Report With Britt Hume” on Fox in November 2008, “George Bush is the most socialist president in the history of this country.” Obama is going out of his way to break that record.

      Re: The RNC: Michael Steele wants to lead the RNC into a politically correct brand of conservatism. Political correctness has no place in true conservatism. True conservatives say was they mean and mean what they say and do not apologize when they hurt someone’s feeling for saying something politically incorrect.

      One of the mistakes Republican politicians are making is that the TEA Party is a Republican movement and is on their side. They think that they are safe. It’s a conservative movement and Republicans who bow to Obama and his agenda are going to pay the price–I hope. Arizona voters seem to be too stupid to realize this since they have re-elected RINO John McCain as the Republican candidate. Should he be re-elected, while he is currently acting like a conservative as he always does when he tries to get re-elected, he will return to his liberalism when he goes back to DC.

      I hope the Democrats lose the majority in both parties after tomorrow’s election. However, I fear that if the Republicans gain the majority, little will change. The Republicans have shown themselves to be weak, sniveling cowards, which may be just as bad as being lying, corrupt Democrats.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Harold Olsen… You have pretty much summed it up. It is now up to the voters to take a long hard look at who they are voting for and why. Too many people vote the way they vote because they do not want to take the time to look at voting records and platforms. So many of the liberals are only voting for those who will be the most generous with tax payer handouts! I hope that whatever happens tomorrow that the Conservatives are only energized by either victories or defeats! Regardless, they need to stand strong and look to 2012 elections.

      • James

        I say give the Republicans (tea party) winners, 60 days to show how much back bone they have, by doing what they were sent to Washington for. If they have not, day 61 starts a new 3rd party!!! One that has no R’s or D’s as the first letter in their name.

      • Denniso

        Please do start a 3rd party, the sooner the better. Make sure you never again vote for a Refub as they are only liberals in RINO clothing. Let the rest of the country watch as you destroy the Refub party and I will celebrate the demise of the worst party on record…good riddance,Refubs.

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        YOU must have read my mind,i am thinking the same way,no results this time around,time for a new party? only time will tell.youve said it perfectly.

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        YOU must have read my mind,i am thinking the same way,no results this time around,time for a new party? only time will tell.youve said it perfectly.James

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        denniso states he wants to celebrate the demise of the Republicans. I wonder how he feels now that the people have decided to kick 60 plus democrats out and give their jobs to Republicans. Oh denniso, I dont know if there is enough alcohol and drugs in the world for you to numb your pain on this one. Wait until 2012 when the rest of them topple. America learned its lesson, and hopefully the Republicans did also, and now we can put this country back together. Obama could do good things now, if he would only swallow his pride and arrogance, and dump his failed ventures that the democrats led him down, and work with the Republicans to make America better. But he wont. He will follow his parties mandates, and do nothing for the next two years until we can vote him out. And the dems wont let him run for re-election either. I would be totally surprised if they do.

      • Denniso

        I’m afraid your predictions don’t count for anything at all. Obama will fare better w/ the public now that the Refubs will have to work at something,rather than just bitch and work to keep the economy down to hurt Obama. Now,the cowards and selfserving clowns will be held accountable for what they don’t do for the country. Obama wins easily in 2012.

    • hflashman

      Well…looks like the GOP will take the House…which shows there’s a lot of people who are angry at incumbents (not narrowed to Democrats as FOX programs their robots into spouting). Now…can Boehner ‘sell’ the wacked TPers being elected that the standard food for the GOP should continue …i.e. selling us out to Wall Street, big monied foreign interests and the wealthy … that’s the question.

      The GOp talked irresponsibly and wild. The GOP spouted stff which is impossible to carry out. And the GOp is going to now have to walk the walk…which they can’t do in any realistic way. So they sell us out…again.

      Good job folks…and I really mean that. Voting GOP means Obama gets a second term and Congress goes back Democrat in 2012. LOL .. you are going to get exactly what you wished for

      • David

        Flash-pants, are you kidding me? McConnel and the rest on the entrenched gop’ers will be next if they do not conform. obummer is done. His own party (what’s left of it) want him to leave and make room for Hilary?? Really?

        Tomorrow is only step one. How well repubs do in 2012 really depends on how well they follow the freshmen.

      • eddie47d

        David;Win or loose,there will be plenty of fire left in the Democratic Party come Wednesday. They may be out but not down.In my state it is predicted that the Republicans will get less than 10% of the vote for Governor.Which means they would be regulated down to a minor party. Robin;Why do so many on this site predict a Republican victory in 2012,do they have a crystal ball?

      • Denniso

        David is living in a fantasy, but I do hope that he and his ‘tea party’ zealots keep ‘purifying’ the Refub party…chop it down to size so that only people like the ‘witch’ O’Donnell,Glenn Beck,Limbaugh and Palin will remain…I forgot,you can also keep Tom Delay and Michael Savage.

        This election will probably strengthen Obama and the Dems and will ensure a second term for Obama. The fanatical,obstructionist Refubs will now have to act like adults and actually do something productive…will the ‘tea party’ let them? I hope not, so they get booted in 2 yrs…

      • http://?? Joe H.

        dream on dumbnisso!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Why eddie? Because most of us have some common sense, and most of us can see that America is sick and tired of the anti American rhetoric coming out of the white house. We are sick of watching billions of our dollars being given to failures like GM and Chrysler to buy future union votes. Were sick of watching our money go to third world countries to pay for abortions there now. Were sick of our taxes being raised. Were sick of the democrats demonizing success and rewarding bad behavior, by expanding government handouts by expanding welfare and food stamps and other social handouts, which were some of the first actions Obama did. Get a stinking job, and quit living off of my back. My shoulders are tired. And eddie, seeing that over 60 democrats were voted out and replaced by Republicans, along with many governors, can you still not see the writing on the wall? If not, then brother, you seriously need some help, because its all their plain as day for all to see. If your in denial that deep, there is a problem brother. A big problem.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        flashman… The Obama administration has done the biggest snow job of selling out the American public I have ever seen. Transparency is one area that comes to mind. And as far as the 2012 election goes, do you have a crystal ball? I think it’s a little early to spout victory for the Obama camp. I can honestly say that those of us who are fed up with all the old rhetoric are gaining numbers, which will become clearer as time goes on. We are sick to death of the lack of ethics, morals, and standards that are so common in Washington and this goes for all parties, not just the liberals.

      • Denniso

        Rhetoric?? You’ve obviously listened to too much from the rightwing side. The Dems have been the cleanest party now for decades. Have you forgotten about Abramoff and Delay already?Cheny, Gonzales?? Your ears are plugged by the crap from Fox and Limbaugh.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        dumbnisso,
        yeah about as clean as that swamp that Nan from booze land keeps promising to drain!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Democrats clean? OMG man, are you still on PCP or have you graduated to crack? That line alone, that the democrats have been the cleanest party for decades, shows your ignorance to the truth, and your lack of education on politics. Maybe you better read the book “Hell to Pay”, and learn about at least one or two of your left wing hero’s, who indeed, will have hell to pay. Whitewater, Monica, Yugoslavia, Purple hearts for shooting yourself in the butt, using public money to make a parking spot in front of your mansion, Vince Foster murder, Ron Brown murder. Are you kidding me? The democrats clean? Chappaquiddick? How many other things did Ted’s influence get him out of? How many indescressions did JKF have that the left wing liberal media hid? How many more did Clinton have that got covered up, because we all know they couldnt hide them all. Selling top secret technology to China. Selling jobs to Mexico. Your democrats are as dirty as dirt can be, and these things Ive mentioned are just a tip of the iceberg.

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        CLEAN,YIKES! YOU REALLY ARE BEYOND HOPE AND HAVE TO GET REAL.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Berberoni: good list, don’t forget selling burial plots in Arlington National cemetary to non-veteran Dem. campaign contributors.

      • Denniso

        What a stupid and inaccurate and misleading list…I said the Dems have been ‘cleaner’. Not perfectly clean. If you were worth my time I would list all the crap that has attached to the Refubs for the past 20 yrs. I imagine you think Nixon was framed, as opposed to his being one of the biggest presidential crooks and liars in history. Go ahead, defend the constitution wrecking pig.

    • ALAN E DEBOSKY

      KAAABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM,,LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS POST!!!!!!

      THE SWAMP IS WREAKING WITH VERMIN AND SULFUR ODORS CAUSED BY A STAGNANT BUNCH OF FLATULENT CARREER SCUM,,,,,,WHERE THE PUMPS,SIPHOMNS AND MOPS,,,IN OUR HANDS NOW,,THATS WHERE!!

    • herman richardson

      With all due respect, I think it is time ofr another 1776, we are getting screwed royally!! If we continue to do nothing, remember HItler, it could happen again, if we keep waiting, stop the madness!!!!!!!!!!

      • eddie47d

        You are right Herman; It’s still hard trying to get over the damage that Cheney brought upon us.

      • Denniso

        These fanatical rightwingers sat patiently and adoringly through 8 yrs of Cheny/Bush…spying on us,civil rights abuses,no bid Haliburton multibillion $ contracts,so called Patriot Act,illegal invasion of Iraq,death and destruction on a massive scale,unfinished wars,in bed w/ the huge drug companies.
        Now, the ‘conservatives’ are mad, and it began as soon as a black man was elected prez, who immediately started to fix the entire mess of Cheny/Bush. One might say their anger is just a little misplaced…

      • http://?? Joe H.

        And you shifty lefties sat adoringly watching as your hero strengthened the patriot bill and FORCED us to buy a product and that is diametrically against the constitution!! but what the hell you children ARE so easily impressed!!

      • Denniso

        If your corporate suckup leaders had allowed a public option or single payer or buy in to Medicare,we wouldn’t be stuck w/ the stupid mandates…that,incidentally, your Refubs supported in Clinton’s attempt and most did now as well. Grassly said mandates are no different than having to buy auto insurance. He’s a fool and wrong,of course, but he and other Refubs supported it.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The country did well under Bush/Cheney, and I know it and you know it. If not, then why was unemployment at an all time low in this country under them? And why was employment at at all time high under them? And why did the stock market reach an all time high under them? And why were millions of captive people in Iraq set free under them?
        Why did my income double in their eight years, yet take a 10 percent cut 1 year after Obama came in? Why was unemployment at 4.5 percent when Bush left, and 2 years later Obama has it over 10 and rising? When Bush took over for Clinton, we were in a recession, and at his 2 year mark, the economy was rolling good again. Whats Obama’s excuse? Its because lepers like you keep pointing the finger, placing blame on others, instead of your ownselves. Your like a bunch of spoiled brat little rich kids. Just like Obama, after all these people got voted out because of his failed policies and mess up, refuses to acknowledge its because of his failure they got voted out. But no, he has to blame someone else, and this time its us, the American people, including you eddie, that he is pointing the finger at. He says its your fault they had these loses on election day. Yeah eddie, Barack says its your fault. Thats what kind of losers we are dealing with eddie, and soon, the Obummer will be out also. I cant wait.

    • dahni

      Agreed. I plan to increase my involvement in politics, beyond keeping up with most issues and most political statements, for several years. My position is that ALL politicians need to perform their service to government and then go home and get a real job and let someone else serve for a limited time. We need a complete overhaul of government, and that will likely take decades of attention by moderate Americans, because obviously both the Far Left and the Far Right are only concerned with their self-centered agendas.

    • refuse2lose

      Time to come to grips with the fact that our political system is a scam of the highest order. Both parties are playing for the same team….. wake up and smell the Marxism

      • Denniso

        You don’t know what Marxism is, obviously…and it’s pretty simple to see that the Refub party is the party of the rich and big biz…open your eyes and even you can see.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Careful dumbnisso, your slobbering is starting to show. You aren’t worried that those predictions that you made a couple of months ago won’t come true, are you????

      • Denniso

        My last prediction was that we lose the House but hold the Senate, looks like I was right…sure, months ago I thought the public had more sense and that we would hold both houses, but I’m not perfect. The Refubs will now have to actually do something rather than sit back and obstruct and throw firebombs. Obama will look more presidential and sane compared to some of the new kooks elected and will go on to win easily in 2012.

        The best news is that the ‘witch is gone,Angle couldn’t ‘man up’ and Whitman’s $160 million personal spending didn’t buy her a Governorship. All in all, I’m quite pleased given the current circumstances in the country.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are so stupid its pathetic. The democrats are the party of the rich, get real pal. Look at almost every election there has ever been. The democratic candidate in almost everyone was far, far richer than the Republican. Now this last one, yes, McCain was richer, but when youve had 70 years to accumulate, verses 40 for Obama, well that says it all. But the democrats are owned by the rich, George Soros, and they own all the TV stations except Fox, and they own all the major newspapers, except for a very small amount, and they own tons and tons of big corporations. In fact, part of Obama’s health care scam was to award some big democrat owned insurance companies with huge contracts. Its all true. Im sick of the lie that the democrats are for the poor and the working man. Its just not true. I was brought up to believe that, but when I CHOSE to get educated on this stuff, and started doing research, I found out that the democrats are far, far richer. And they represent taxing the living hell out of the successful, and demonizing them as rich, then rewarding failures, like GM and Chrysler with billions of dollars. That is the democrat way. Whereas the Republicans, constantly want to cut taxes, and let business’s have their money they have made by doing business the correct way, and they inturn hire more people, who pay taxes, and then more money comes into the federal and state coffers. But the democrats screw this up every time they come into power, with tax, tax, tax the successful. Its a bad way to go, and they arent smart enough to see it, and dumb, uneducated blind followers like you, who fail to do any kind of research, actually think they are the poor guys. Learn up dude, your way off base. George Soros could use a guy like you. He likes people that will do want he wants without asking questions and finding out what they are really doing.

      • Denniso

        OK, S T U P I D…federal taxes are lower than they’ve been in 50 yrs. Look it up. And you’re obviously clueless when you say that Dem candidates are usually richer…wrong,but I’m not going to waste my time looking that up for you either. Get a life…

    • Robert Smith

      I’ll bet Barry Goldwater is looking pretty good now.

      Rob

      • http://naver sook young

        “People shouldn’t rely on government to solve our problems, government is the problem.” Ronald Reagan. I’ll bet you that Ronald Reagan is looking better than Goldwater these days. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

      • Vigilant

        Barry Goldwater has always “looked good” to common sense people. The hatchet job that was done to him in the 60s by the Dems was deplorable. Most of what Reagan believed in was right in line with Goldwater, God rest both their souls.

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