Karolyn,
I remember those well. I still drink a coke when I have a sour stomach. Doesn’t work as well but it helps!

Fact check — auto-immune disorders have existed for as long as human beings have existed (and probably much longer); Arthritis being an example of it.

While I doubt that “immune boosters” work, to the extent that they do they probably increase your chance of auto-immune diseases such as MS or arthritis.

Vaccinations are not immune boosters. They simply train your helper-T cells to recognize this particular invader so your body’s own immune system will respond more quickly to the disease.

Life is always a race. You are constantly immersed in a sea of deadly germs that want to decompose your body even while you are still in it. I can see why so many of you advise against any sort of life-saving treatments; it makes more room on this planet for those that DO.

Michael – Do some research on adjuvants like squalene. They cause hyperimmune response, and result in autoimmune conditions.

There is no question that these disorders have increased with vaccinations.

To all, please excuse my posts tonight as my “t” key is not functioning well!!

You are absolutely right. The pro big government, pharma zealots are a brainwashed lot unable to study, reason and conclude autonomously as to the effectiveness of such treatments. Diseases have largely been eradicated by sanitary measures taken rather than by vaccines. Immunity is best acquired by natural exposure while maintaining a healthy immune system.

I was going to challenge how you know so much, but I won’t challenge a Chief, as I am one myself. We have our ways of knowing things.

I have been vaccinated; my children have been vaccinated. I believe in liberty; your freedom to choose NOT to be vaccinated — then let Natural Selection choose the next generation.

Still, there’s an argument for mandatory vaccinations for schools. If I have a very tidy lawn with only grass, I do not need herbicide for any reason. But if my neighbor’s yard is nothing but dandelions and morning glory, how long will it be before my yard is seeded with weeds? Not long at all.

Boosting immunity is what vaccination does. It is not a total preventer, not even of the diseases for which you have been vaccinated. If you get more germs or viruses than your body can handle, you get the disease, even if you have been vaccinated.

Science seems to get disrespected in this crowd and that is unfortunate. It plays into the accusations by the left that the right is nothing but idiots.

It is absolutely clear that immunizations have been one of the greatest discoveries of the past thousand years. Does it mean that people live that otherwise would have died? Indeed it does; and I hope y’all wonder whether you would have been one of the survivors.

For many years “antioxidants” were considered wonderfully good things. This is the first I have heard that anyone would deliberately immerse himself in ozone, a particularly aggressive oxidizer.

Michael, Ozone is a powerful oxygenator. It increases oxygen levels in the body, and anaerobic pathogens cannot live in high oxygen.

I know a man who quickly cured himself of end-stage leukemia with ozone.

Kate8,
It is hard to swallow the truth about medicine and those (Pharma, Researchers w/ gov grants, FDA, Gov, Doctors tied to pharm medicine, Progressive Eugentics) that wish us ill (dead and poor) as we come out of the stupor.

As far a vaccines and childhood imunizations are concerned I would say some children and their body systems “are susceptable” to adverse effects: autism and possibly ADHD and further accurate research would give us some insite. I’m sure the “mercury” used as a preservative doesn’t help.

Christin, There are NO safe levels of mercury, even for an adult. You can imagine the effects on children and their developing bodies and brains.

I wonder how many potentially brilliant minds suffered reduced IQ because of mercury. It is one of the 5 most toxic substances known on Earth, right along with lead. Yet, lead is a big deal and mercury is not. What’s up with that?

I remember being given a couple of pounds of mercury as a toy as a child. I played with that stuff for months. Every time I poured it from one hand to the other, some was absorbed. In fact, by the time I got through playing, the skin on my hands had a silver gleam.

I’m not saying mercury is safe – but I am saying that it is safer than the press gives it. Mercury is like many other things. It can be lethal to one person but harmless to many others.

What we are in is a government mandated system that takes the worst case scenario and mandates laws for all. I’m not totally sure we SHOULD vaccinate since it keeps alive those who would otherwise die from the diseases. And they pass down their lack of immunity to their children and so on. Sooner or later we are ALL succeptible to the disease.

Take small pox for instance. About 90% of the victims died from it. In Indian tribes it was even worse. But there were some who didn’t die. And their kids generally couldn’t even catch it. But now, today, if small pox was released, we’d probably all die from it.

Lead is another of those “toxic” things that not everyone is succeptable to dying from. The last person in the US to die from lead poisoning was a 50-something electrician who developed lead poisoning from chewing lead-impregnated insulation from wires. He had chewed that for over thirty years before it built up enough to cause him problems. Further, he was the first to die in many years before that.

Some of the street corners at busy intersections have over 3.5% lead due to the leaded gas we once used. But the government ignores it because they know that kids aren’t going to die from it. It would require government money to clean up that they don’t want to spend.

Go for arsenic or something like that as toxic. The RCRA laws the government has says that anything is toxic if it harms ANYONE or if the government says it’s toxic. It doesn’t have to be. But they use the rare cases to make their case for all. And also, it can be toxic for some non-human life form but not human to be on the list.

45caliber,
Lead may not kill the kids but it can and in most cases will stunt their mental growth. Proven fact!

Kate8,
I might have been one of those brilliant minds (just kidding) as I , like 45 caliber, played with mercury when I was little. My Mom had a small white box that I found in the dining room buffet drawer with little silver balls in it that sometimes came together as one big ball and sometimes split into smaller balls when they hit the sides of the box. I touched it a little and my Mom finally told me it was mercury, but she wasn’t alarmed that I has been playing with it.

Christin, Yes, I remember the ‘quicksilver’ as a child, as well.

It won’t necessarily kill you in those amounts, but it does brain damage. And it stores in the body until you do something to pull it out, which is another story.

It causes things like ultra-sensitivity to all stimulus (noises, pain receptors, smells, etc.), mental impairment, right in to more serious things like tremors and severe neurological damage.

Apparently, the biggest danger is in the vapor it puts off, so the more you inhale, the worse it is. Of course, an injection slams it right into the bloodstream.

When my sister became very ill, I told her to get tested for heavy metals (she was in the Army and required to get all kinds of vaccinations, including yearly flu shots). Her mercury was very high, along with other metals.

She had chelation and is now doing well.

BTW, I just heard that the FDA is making chelation treatments illegal.

Kate8,
Gubberment is getting rid of everything GOOD.

This morning in the Record newspaper they had an article about doctors earnings from Pharmaceutical Companies. Some doctors were earning $250,000 or more for prescribing their drugs.

Mike, I know some of those integrative doctors, and even MDs who’ve gone completely alternative. They are treated as rogues, drummed out of the medical community and denigrated by them.

Of course, their practices are thriving and people love them. They can hardly handle the patient load. People are seeking these doctors out, even though they have to pay out of pocket (insurances won’t usually cover their treatments).

Pennsyltuckian – You called Jim a “liberal fool.” I think I would call you an uneducated consumer. Yes, many years ago drugs were introduced that got rid of diseases. Have you seen that happen lately? No! Why would they want to cure cancer and AIDS when they would lose money without those diseases. They influence Congress into banning natural methods, and then come up with their own brand. People are on so many medications that when they die you can’t even tell what killed them – the disease or the drugs. The only way to stop this madness is to educate the public. A good immune system can handle anything. The body was meant to heal itself given the right conditions. The influence of Big Pharma is truly frightening. I suggest you visit mercola.com for more information. Dr. Mercola is well-informed on the topic. There is much to be said for Chinese medicine and folk remedies. They’ve been around a long time for some reason. I would not call a lawyer fighting for a sick child a “scumbag.’

100% with you Karolyna,but you’ll have to unplug the f*** T.V.

pennsyldickian -

It must be great to be so happy in your hogwashed euphoria. The good thing is their ministrations to your diseases will render you sterile and short-lived from the pollutants in their vaccines and poisons in their medications. Thus your lack of progeny will no further contaminate the gene pool and your quick demise will shortly eliminate your further influence on the rest of us.
In the first place, the “scientists” co-opted under BigPharma’s “research” efforts know enough about human health and physiology to be able to design the studies and protocols so as to predetermine that the data will show as conclusions what they desire to “prove” from their “research”. That way everything looks real elegant and kosher and will pass the smell tests and FDA certification requirements. Like Karolyn said, the products end up used in medical procedures and therapeutics as long as possible until the damage to human health is discovered via bad reactions and deaths. Then they get a slap on the wrist and a negligible fine (pocket change to them).
Get used to it. In lots of places in our world “science” is for sale to the highest bidder. Too often, “scientists” are bought to produce research that “proves” what the buyer wants or, else, the scientist goes hungry.
As for people living longer due to medicine – that’s a sales job. Last century when they ushered in high sanitation standards and improved the dietary nutritional quality longevity increased independent of people’s access to medical care. They do it for many third world areas today.
One of the best ways to protect oneself from disease is eat colorful fruits, dark green veggies, beans, cracked seeds (especially flax seeds) and certain fish. With that make sure you take Vitamin D3 every MORNING at about 4,000-6,000 IU quantities. If you do that (especilly the Vit D3) you can make your immune system nearly impervious to disease causing organisms. It doesn’t matter if they are drug resistant or not.
Otherwise, finding a close-knit Biblical group has a powerful healthy influence. Besides that, stay away from practicing homosexuality (it wrecks your immunity – that’s why they’re so sck.)

Mike – Well said.

Now, though, we have to be careful where we obtain our fresh produce, since it’s all being irradiated and GMO. They’re determined to undermine our health on all fronts. If they succeed, soon these adulterated phudes will be all we can get, especially if they succeed in outlawing backyard gardens. Another reason they want us off the land.

When the famine hits, when the stores shelves are empty or you can’t afford to buy what they offer, there will be the food lines where you can get phude to feed your kids. All you have to do is get a little chip…

Kate8,

“phude”…? Is that “phoney food” from evil gov?
(Did you make that term up, Kate?)

What ever happened to “NO TRESPASSING”? My land, my hard work, my garden, my food… I pay taxes on it, I have surface rights don’t I?

No “chip” or Mark of the Beast (666) for me and my family.
“As for me and my house we will serve the Lord” Joshua 24 : 15.

Christin – No, I didn’t make up the term ‘phude’. It’s being used to describe the GMO abominations they are force-feeding us. Don’t know where it originated.

Remember, under socialism and communism there is no private property. Look at all the people losing their land already. With rising prices and rising taxes, this will become more and more widespread, until we are all either in FEMA camps or stacked up in honeycombs.

I’m with ya on ‘NO CHIP’. Just have a plan for when your kids are hungry.

Kate8,
Well, I guess using the term “phude” sure lets us know it’s not “food”, right?!
What a shame it has come to this.

And I guess I forgot about no private ownership of land or anything really under communism.
What a shame it has come to this.

NO, NO,NO to the FEMA camps… rapture comes first, hopefully or shoot out and die, maybe.
Again it is a shame it has come to this.

We have been planning for our kids, believe me, but even the best laid plans sometimes go south.
I surrender to God.

Mike in MI,
Vitamin D3 is very good and necessary… we all take extra supplements of it, even my boys (but not in that high of a dose. I get headaches from all the sups. We take our D3 and Calcium at night for a good nights sleep.) I am told it keeps cancer cells from growing as well.

Vitamin C is also very good and necessary for optimum health… in high doses it is a natural antibiotic. We take Emergency-C a couple times a week, but you can buy “Potent C” to take stronger doses.

FYI, we have found when one of us gets sick with a “virus” that we can take “L-Lysine” (amino acid) 500 mg a day for a few days or so to get well.
I learned that from a veterinarian, yes I said vet, because one of our new kittens got high fever and became very sick twice and the vet said this cat would be probably be sick with a repeating virus all her life and I could give her Lysine every day or 20-30 days on and 20-30 days off to keep her well. At six months she is doing fine.

Hey, Christ in, thanks for the question -
I have been taught that Vitamin D3 is actually a type of hormone needed by every system in the body. It is best to take it in the morning or before 3:00 pm. Why?
Vit D3 is something that has an opposite chemical that when it encounters it they react, producing a poison. So, the body cycles these two chemicals in and out of the bloodstream, in mornings and evenings. Thus they can’t meet and react.
Vitamin D3 is produced in the skin during the day under sun exposure. So, it needs to be available during the day. Toward evening your body hides it away in various places.
Then, it brings the other chemical out of hiding and it does its job all night. Then it goes and hides again. Voila!, no poisons, no problems and the jobs of these chemicals gets done – and you don’t even have to think about it.
What a great God to devise and give us such an intricately perfected and wonderfully crafted body…HUH?
That’s why I take my Vitamin D3 in the morning. It does its job, doesn’t produce a toxin and I get my money’s worth out of what I take.

Mike in MI,
Thanks for the explanation of how D3 works and when to take… I didn’t know that.
We’ll try the mornings and see how that works out.
Thanks for your input.

No doubt the system is mired, expensive and occasionaly counter-productive. Remember Thalidomide? It was a highly efficient sedative and, to my knowledge, still the only substance of this type that was impossible to OD on. You can kill yourself on every other sedative prior to and since its’ development. But of course, due to its’ highly teratogenic nature, and the resulting “flipper babies”, was taken off the market for everyone. It could still be useful today (pregnant ladies shouldn’t even be allowed to handle the bottle) for many people but….

Nina, career criminals also have teams of lawyers. Are you aware that “scientific” research is created, manipulated and pre-packaged BEFORE a product reaches the market? The fact that something has some research behind it is irrelevant. What matters is the QUALITY of that research.
‘Convenient’ research equals fast money (and lives put in danger). Quality research equals safety, confidence – and a Big Pharma that knows the American people are constantly watching the money-grubbing, miserable, citizen-hating SOBs.

s c, So true. It actually takes around $600million to bring a drug through ‘testing’, get FDA approval and to the market. All it requires to ‘prove’ a drug is to show a single marker. Never mind any other issues with it.

By the time the lawsuits start coming in for harm or death, many billions have been made, and the few million it costs them in settlements is pocket change. They’ve still garnered huge profits.

Big Pharma is there for only 2 reasons: Systematically reduce the population, and rake in enormous profits while doing it.

K88 -

There’s a third reason, too. One of the most horrible things they do is make sure politicians who have no regard for their constituents or other Americans get piles of money. That helps them fight off political opposition from statesmen who might interfere with Big Pharma’s control of FDA and their access to special deals with high drug prices for use in government agecies and programs paid for by taxayers. Besides that they only get legislative insulation from responsibility for damage done by their toxic products. After all the doctors need those products to make people sicker and coming back for more “care” – no cures, but “care”.

Mike – So true. Also true is that you get ‘care’ as far as some kind of treatment, and they ‘care’ about getting paid, but they ‘care’ not at all about you. Medical ‘care’ is totally impersonal.

Of course they would have to be detached emotionally, since what they are giving is really going to make you sicker. If they really ‘cared’ about you, they’d go nuts after awhile. It’s a self-protection thing.

Doctors to have a very high rate of depression and suicide.

Aye, K88 -
You’ve got the picture squared, in focus and the right light on the subject.

I’ve worked in the system and with caring people who have intimate knowledge of these matters. These educated people have enough innate intelligence to learn and know the intricacies of these matters (although it’s impossible for the human mind to integrate everything about everything in our body). So, either they were purposely kept ignorant or they choose not to learn the new stuff and claim to be too busy to change and integrate their strengths and abilities with other systems of care. Nobody can do it all.

That’s why it only makes perfect sense to me to feed the body the necessary nutrients and then do everything possible to keep the systems working together in harmonization. That’s the job of the nervous system and only one health provider type makes any attempt to tend to that and that is chiropractic. It isn’t perfected, yet, but it’s improving by leaps and bounds compared to what it used to be. Just stay away from the ones who want to prescribe medications. They never learned or paid attention to the important parts in Chiro. College. So, they can’t get results. Also, be wary of the ones who like to hear lots of noise. Noise doesn’t mean a damn thing.
If you drive down the road at 50 mph and hit a tree your spine is going to make lots of noise, all at once. Doesn’t mean it is going to do one bit of good for you. Noise is no criterion for anything. Moving the vertebra the brain wants moved usually is silent. If the Dr. doesn’t know how to find it, find somebody else. Results will follow and there are quick, simple tests to know.

Oh Hell, 45cal. -
FDA isn’t there to protect anybody but the pharmaceutical and medical implement companies and attack healthful products manufacturers.

dan az, good one!