in Summer of 2010, I had a discussion about trickle down economics with a guy. He claimed trickle down worked and that because of this administration squeezing the rich, his business was failing.

When I pointed out that tax laws had not changed and maybe his problems were related to the economy – well he didn’t want to hear that!

Funny how people get ideas in their head and don’t want to listen to facts.

So what do you think? Do we need any regulations or should we let corporations do anything they want?

Yeah I know Government is the problem!

Yeah that’s it the Greens did it.

Sometimes I get so angry with the abuse we levy on our mother earth all for the sake of greed that I wish the greens would use violent tactics or careless behaviors or spread lies like the Right does. But the Right is much better at it.

You know! assassinate the people they disagree with. Overthrow democratically elected governments. Dump chemicals in lakes and rivers because it’s too expensive to dispose of them properly. Sue farmers who you know can’t afford to defend themselves so that they’ll be forced to buy your terminator seeds forever. Promise to pay damages but then appeal that forever until the people are all dead.

But then I wake up and remember that that is not what drives the green. They are driven by the deep felt belief that we should leave this place at least as good as we found it. They actually believe and rightfully so that sustainability is the only right thing to do if we are to survive on our space ship earth. They can actually prove that it is economically viable if anyone was ever interested in long term results instead of just short term profits.

So no 45caliber the greens don’t do that kind of stuff, but the Right would.

The problem with the Greens is not their ideas which would benefit all of our children and their children, it’s their inability to seriously organize and make a difference. They lack the go for the throat that the right has. They are too mellow and too nice to compete with hard core Right wing politics and Corporate business.

I happen to believe that all of the small minority ideas and parties would do well to listen and join forces because they actually would find that they have more in common than they know and they could then easily change the current ingrained corrupt majority status quo corporate controlled politics of today.

Eric, you must be some young fool. Yes, we must monitor the output of many companies, but don’t sell mother earth so short. God provided us with the knowledge to use oil, natural gas, coal, and provided the products for us!! Look at the oil spill in the gulf right now. People are so amazed!! Where is the oil??? Well, mother nature has taken care of a great deal of it. You don’t think God is going to set around and allow the ignorance of man kind to destroy his Earth, do you? Green Peace is so shallow. God will handle most things, if we only allow him to. We do our part, and He will gladly do his. We are not stupid images of Him, we are smart. Greed is bad, in all things, but God is good, and He is stronger than us all COMBINED. He will handle most things. Have faith.

Joyce Surely You Jest !!! ??

There you go again with your half brain telling half truths.

I believe the actual true story goes like this. Green Peace was trying to sound the bell on how easy it would be for terrorist to infiltrate our unsecured chemical plants all over this country. So they demonstrated it by scaling the fence and gaining access to a control panel. They did not and would not plant dynamite. You are a fool if you believe that or maybe you like to plant false stories. God knows there’s plenty of that going around on the internet. I believe they proved their point. But guess what not much has been done to secure these places. You have to ask yourself Why?

You are wrong on this one. The two men are still in jail – and I hope they stay there for another fifty years.

A few months ago, there was a woman that posted on this site that said she knew who sabotaged the Gulf oil rig. She said it was a wealthy man that lived in Texas. She wouldn’t give the man’s name. I think she said she had “inside” information. She posted this info a few times and then took off. Dang, I can’t remember her name. Anyone remember this?

I respect both of your opinions guys, but let’s be honest, “pre-meditated” is a bit of a stretch. You get the best equipment available and a qualified crew with a proven track record and you put them to work. An accident is an “unplanned for event”. I’ll bet every roughneck on the rig did his best to make sure the blowout on DH didn’t happen. I’ve known too many hands from the oil patch. They do their best, exercise every precaution, have safety meetings at the beginning of every shift and don’t look to get themselves killed. But accidents do happen. The forces at work and the demands on the men and women that run the machinery are extreme. You won’t find a smoking gun, because there isn’t one. Accidents are like tolerance stack-up in machining fabricated parts. Every once in a while the machine tolerances combine to create an out of tolerance part. DH was just such a combination of out of tolerance conditions. I’ve seen it happen. The rig literally burned up. Huge pipe and girders reduced to puddles of melted metal. It happens. Let it go. Pray for their families.

Look, Obama has went out of his way to hender OUR drilling rights…do anyone pay attention to what he is doing overseas. Pay attention to Yemen, there is 2 areas of water that is accessable and Iran know that in order to control this and Oil rights they have to control this. Isreal is who we should have defended instead of kissing Iran’s a$$. Obama has been playing this stalling game forever biding them time to further their nuclear arms. Even if Iran had complete control of oil, they would still have to sell to someone who would eventually sell to us, but WOULD cost us. Obamas mind set is that the wealthy of nations need to distribute to the less nations. The UN is a joke and he is using them with all he can! He WILL NOT enforce our borders nor will he bring our troops home…he is bringing the war to us so you better prpare people is only a matter of time!

Iran is already one of our larger suppliers of oil.

An accident happens when three or more things go wrong at the same time. At least one is almost always related to people – such as ignoring some lesser problem. Otherwise it is a “near-miss” – something that happened or could have happened if a third problem came along. That’s why, in the safety community, we try to find and eliminate such things before an accident happens.

I know, I work for a chemical company too! I agree, safety and faulty equipment is the top of the list…I just want people to keep their eyes open to the big picture…how many days did Obama let pass before he became active? Was BP one of his biggest campaing contributors? The money he forced BP to set aside to pay out in funds has not been touched. He has targeted BP in regulations…why? Control is a big factor w/Obama but the Big picture is WHO is he really trying to please?

More useless conspiracies thrown around. BP dropped the ball,plane and simple.

You are so right, 45 caliber. We have a pond on our farm that we PAID TO HAVE DUG. My husband went and caught the fish to stock the pond with. If we are caught fishing IN OUR OWN POND without a fishing “license” we will get a $150 “ticket”. I told the game warden they better not trespass on my property, and he laughed at me and said “We can go anywhere we want”.

You don’t live in Texas or Arkansas. The game wardens have to be more cautious here or they might have a “hunting accident”. One rancher I know about keeps his deer herd pruned of any bad stock and the game wardens have been warned to not interfere. They don’t.

What I think is wrong is that the police must have a search warrant to visit but most agencies insist that ONLY the police must have them. They themselves can go where they wish, when they wish whether you like it or not.

You might want to check your laws too. In Arkansas no license is required if you are on your own land and using a cane pole.

Same in SC, 45, but I don’t want to use a cane pole, I want to use a lure to catch my bass with. In SC, yes, the game wardens do have the right to trespass on someone’s land without a search warrant, if THEY suspect any wrong doing. We also must have a hunting license to shoot deer, ducks or turkeys on our own land. Right now, we can shoot squirrels, but I expect them to change that as well, as soon as they realize they forgot about the squirrels!!!

They are begging people to kill wild hogs here in Texas … but you must have your hunting license first. However, unless I’m badly mistaken, you can kill them on your own property without a license.

What about all those Burmese pythons in the Everglades? They are wreaking havoc on birds and every animal they can swallow. Man, I would go after those snakes in a heartbeat if I lived in Florida. I saw a picture in the newspaper months ago that showed a python trying to swallow an alligator-they both died. I watched a documentary on this a month or so ago. Terrible snakes.

We have wild hogs here, too. We can hunt them, 24 hours a day, any day of the week, as well as coyotes. But we must have a hunting license, even on our own land. TAXES!

I would have told him, on my property you will only go 6 feet under. MY land my rules.

Good for you. No one hardly remembers him.

Eric, Where exactly have you been, it’s been like that for years___ya never listen to anything Washington says, you watch what they do!!!!

And yes Eric, I do believe our Country can be taken back, but it won’t be by our hand.

Liberals do not have whole, or half, those nitwits have a thimble size brain at best. Match a liberal up with a common house plant in a battle of the wits and the plant will win every time. Dumbest people on this planet are of the liberal/socialist mindset.

you can go to the un website and see some notes, or united states dept. of labor. The meeting held on September 14th and 15th, between the Labor and Treasury Departments outlined the Course of Action. The agenda is called “Lifetime Income Options for Retirement Plans”.

Is 47d your bust size or IQ? I think they’re synomalous.

I think that would be too big for his IQ wouldn’t it? Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

From a report I saw a month or so ago, it appears that Saudi may go back to that dirt stage. It showed that Saudi and the entire mid-east was down to about 15% of their reserves.

45caliber -
I saw similar things, myself. I’ll bet it just gives the House of Saud the sheiks. Wanna’ mecca bet?
I’ll bet when they draw the last barrel Obumpus will be there to bestow a medal on them for contributing to reduction of awful atmoshperic CO2 by voluntarily ceasing oil production. Nice.
And AlGore will go along to drop off a handful of Crap and Tade credits while he signs the contracts for the silicone concession outside in the sand box.

It makes sense to me. My husband and I are retired, and travel from place to place selling t shirts. We have to carry $1 million in insurance. To sell t shirts!!!

Joyce, do you have to compensate for being self-employed? One million dollars sounds like something The Anointed One would dream up. Some bureaucrats must be paid to see how stupid they can be. I think we’d be better served if we could turn all of those half-baked regulations against those who create the damned things. Neuter the SOBs, and then outsource them to a hostile country.

Actually, it is worst than that. I have to carry this type of insurance to cover myself and any event that I attend, to make sure that IF I AM SUED for any reason, including “hurting someone’s feeling” (yes, that is true, it is on the policy), that the event planners are covered and protected from the lawsuit. The lawyers are the demons of this world. They all set on Capitol Hill, making laws that will keep them and their cronies with secured employment over the stupid lawsuits out there.

Why do you have to have insurance to sell t-shirts? In case some whiney arsed liberal develops a rash from cotton? Never heard of having to have insurance to sell something that in noway can endanger anything or anyone.

You hit the nail on the head Craig. This is such a “sue happy” society, that everyone is so afraid of, they make us ALL carry this type of insurance policy. It is ridiculous, but you must have it to play.

Craig – next time you go to a festival, arts and crafts show, know those people paid many high fees to show their wares, or sell you food. — It is a crock – but it is a direct result of a “sue-happy” society.

I worked for a small oil company that owned the lease where a blow-out occurred. The 5 mil in general liability and 3 mil override just got the lawyers paid and a trial for wrongful death taken care of. It didn’t even begin to pay the families that came out of the woodwork to get a share of the spoils. The problem isn’t the industry, it’s the legal system. The oil driller knew the risks and was paid hansomely for 25 years before he was killed in the explosion. Further, it was his negligence that caused the blow-out, but his two wives and fourteen children were paid to be mourners. If a company is proven negligent, jail time!!! Huge awards just encourage the problem to get worse. Prosecute the guilty and their superiors. It’ll make them more careful. Drilling for oil on land or sea is risky, dangerous work even when you’re careful. No amount or regulation will change that, it’ll just make it harder for the little guys.

BBJ, I am a builder/GC and every major component of each house is inspected by county inspectors. Builders are structurally responcible for each house for a period of 10 years after closing.

That doesn’t mean a cookie cutter piece of crap house isn’t going to have issues…..so you get what you pay for. So don’t regulate builders out of existance too. The economy sort of depends on construction.

They already are required.

45caliber -
Please, flesh out what you mean by “…drilling in the same area.”

Are they drilling in the same oil field but out of our territorial waters or are they IN our waters? ‘Cause if they are in our waters that means they must have gotten, or been given permission, license, permits or something by this administration to invade our national space. If in international waters, or Cuba’s, we have no claim. It’s not our concern. This bugs me because I wonder what may be the potential they are claiming our “redistributable” resources because they hold our note and that’s the collateral.

What is the story?

Mike,With the directional drilling technology available today they can position their rig in international waters and then direct the drill bore into oil fields that lie under our territorial waters.If Bill Walker had been successful in gaining the governors spot here in Alaska he was going to put state rigs on state land just outside of ANWR (Alaska National Wildlife Refuge )and drill into the oil dome under ANWR and tell the feds to go piss up a rope.
Wild Bill
Alaska

Slant Drilling! First time I heard of it was when reports started coming out that the real reason Saddam Hussein attacked Kuwait was because he caught them slant drilling into Iraqi wells using Texas provided slant drilling technology.

Thanks, Wild Bill -
I hadn’t thought about that but it makes sense. No wonder Oblama-lama-ding-dong doesn’t want anybody, anywhere drilling for anything, mining, forestry, whatever. He’s afraid someone might make a profit -or make anything – related to capitalistic principles. He just wants us to produce, suck it out of us and send all the proceeds to his genius friends in Africa and other third world nations where it’s so abundantly apparent they have the gumption, ambition, genius and leadership to produce everything their populations need.
I wonder how long it will take him to figure out what Fidel Castro finally figured out after sixty years. Communism/ socialism can’t even produce enough toilet paper. (So, I predict the Alien-in-Chief will decree we don’t need food. That way he won’t need to worry about toilet paper complaints. The secondary benefit will be he can commandeer the food and redistribute it to his starving friends in everywhereland that food doesn’t automatically come springing out of the ground like it does here. The tertiary benefit will be they will luv him and praise him – not like here where some of us expect him to grow policies that actually have practical value.)
You know, if he really had a deep concern about those things he bitches at us about, he’d ask his friends Soros, Rockefellers and Rothschild to make a collection and feed some of his Oblama-lama-ding-dong aboriginal relatives and noble tribesmen.

Wild Bill is correct. China is drilling just outside our border – in our direction. However the oil field runs all the way down to South America. And the Mexican government was paid millions by our government to drill in that field too. The main problem was that BP was also close to the border and would have tapped into the oil field enough to draw some of it from the Mexican side.

Sorry, I meant “in THEIR direction.”

B.S.

Interesting how all of the oil and gas drilling and workover rig yards are full of unused equipment. What are you folks doing? Taking census answers or working on roads and bridges. What rig are they on and where is it working?

Carol,as conservative from birth says you are so full of it I bet your eyes are brown.If you are going to post lies on a forum at least try to make them believable.
Wild Bill
Alaska

Geesh, when were oil and gas discovered? I’m still working on that “fire” thing! You must be one of those scared and confused people oblama is talking about.

Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a liar,right? This site is full of scared and confused people who spread lies and rumors faster than any fire I’ve seen.

I often wonder what your fingers are connected to.

Eddie you are the biggest confused liar on this site.

Simply childish behavior. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai
Vote November 2!

IF WE DON’T GET THIS DRILLING FOR OIL GOING AGAIN — WE’LL LOSE IT!!
IT WILL GO TO BRAZIL (PETROBRA) & ELSE WHERE!! THEN YOU WILL SEE GAS PRICES GO TO THE CEILING!!

eddie47d,
Like I told you last time eddie…no one has gone back to work yet. BHO lifting the Gulf off-shore drilling ban maybe just “lip service” (translation… lies) to help the left/ Demos win a few elections… even Demo Landrieu wants to know what the NEW RESTRICTIONS are! That means NO ONE HAS GONE BACK TO DRILLING OFF-SHORE …as all the cards are not on the table, yet… nothing new with this WH.

BHO probably waited just long enough for all the rigs to be rented out and sent else where …to Brazil, perhaps… hhmmm. Can you say george soros and 2 billion dollars from BHO?

The Government had NO RIGHT to shut down and ENTIRE INDUSTRY in the GULF including many Oil Drilling Companies and many Oil Equipment Companies and workers’ jobs, because of one sabotaged rig. BHO has been against oil drilling from the beginning.

Drilling for American oil would make US independant of foreign oil, no need to redistribute our wealth to the Middle East countries anymore making them filthy rich, and keep oil prices low here at home, but NO some of YOU don’t want a successful America. You and your kind are the Enemy.

We wanted to tap a large resource in Alaska, but the libs lead by Al Gore decided that some caribou were more important that the people of this country. Isn’t it always good to know that these lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxists think an animal is more important than WE THE PEOPLE? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

SAMURAI, YOU’RE BACK!!!

Good to hear from you. You must be doing much better if you are posting and fighting the good fight again. Missed your “For God and Counry!”

Actually the caribou are doing just fine in Northern Alaska where they are drilling in Alaska like Prudoe Bay. I have an e-mail that shows them congregating all around the snow melting area (probably spring) of the drill site basking in the sun. The gas pipelines are raised so the animals have no problem getting under (or over) to the other side to eat, find water to drink, roam or mate.

The only ones who are having a problem with drilling for oil on land in Alaska (ANWR) are the Progressives that don’t want America to keep its wealth here at home and want America to fail.

Glad to hear from you again.