Eddie you are so clueless. We are not getting closer to killing of all the species. Since the dawn of time 95% of all species that lived on this planet have gone extinct. And guess what? Everything is still here and doing fine. Fact is, one species dies out another comes to exploit its station in life. That is a fact. You liberals are always crying wolf and your doomsday predictions never come true.

Craig, it’s a fact that the hunters, fishermen and outdoorsmen are the true conservationists despite the selfish, self absorbed and phony environmentalists.

…should have added for wildlife and habitat…

JeffH,
Perhaps the phoney enviros should go extinct!!!

Jeff: What does that have to do with anything? Population growth is determining whether a species lives or dies. That means less for hunters and fishermen or can’t you grasp that?

JeffH– And I am behind you 100% regarding your comments.

fast eddie, again you’re behind the learning curve here. You talk about animal species and extinction…look at Ducks Unlimited who is the world’s leader in wetlands and waterfowl conservation. Ducks Unlimited conserves, restores and manages wetlands and associated habitats for North America’s waterfowl. These habitats also benefit other wildlife and people, all of the people…not just hunters

The Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Whitetail Foundation, Mule Deer Foundation, Pheasants Forever, Quail Unlimited, etc. etc. just to name some of them.

These are all organizations supported and funded by outdoorsmen, hunters and fishermen, that study, enhance and provide for the growth success of herds and flocks of wildlife across the nation and around the world. They are not selfish environmental groups, they are true coservationists and are more responsible for saving wildlife from extinction than all the environmental groups combined.

fast eddie, the bottom line is that despite the selfish environmentalist, wildlife numbers have prospered thanks to the outdoorsman, hunters and fishermen. You see, we realized almost a hundred years ago that unless we gave something back, we’d never be able to hunt and fish and enjoy the outdoors like we do today..

Now that’s a real brainy statement;” 95% have gone extinct but they are still here”You are clueless of what mankind is doing to animal populations or even plant species. Evolution is over for many lifetimes ahead and what goes extinct now will be gone forever.You ought to be charged with reckless endangerment.

eddie47d–There are good fishermen, hunters, and numerous people in the United States that DO care for the wildlife and environment. Not all of them are evil. BTW–when the government pays farmers NOT to farm their ground, why aren’t trees planted to bring back habitat for animals? There are a lot of things that could be done. Depending on some of the so-called radical environmentalists certainly is not the answer. What about PETA–that filthy organization. They believe in killing dogs and cats rather than have them domesticated and live in good homes. Exhibitors at dogs show have to keep an eye of their show dogs. PETA has gone to numerous shows and released the animals! And guess what!! A lot of them were killed on the nearby interstates and roads. My point is that some of these “wonderful environmentalists” are NOT the do-gooders they claim to be.

Just a thought eddie…if you want to understand something a little better take a course. Most municipalities offer hunter education….you’d learn a lot about conservation there.

Talking about killing dogs and cats makes me think of Brady who is running for governor of Illinois. He presented a bill to have dogs and cats put in the same room together and killed by auto exhaust. When people got in an uproar about it, he quickly gave the bill to one of his buddies. The bill has been tabled. If Brady had any sense he should have pulled the bill and done away with it. Now Brady’s mother is having a hissy fit because Quinn has used this in ads. She should have expected this to happen. She says it is not “fair.” She should know that anything goes in politics. Dog eat dog. Pardon the pun.

Claire – Now we’re having whackos telling us we have to keep our cats indoors so they don’t kill birds. They’re trying to criminalize cats killing birds!

While I love birds, and have saved many from the jaws of my cats, it’s just what God created cats to do. Has to do with the food chain, I guess. Besides, I haven’t noticed a decrease in birds at all!

My cats hate the GMO catfood, so they catch their own.

Interestingly, they oppose hunting mountain lions, and don’t seem to care about the people, including children, who’ve been killed by the big cats. That’s not surprising (since they consider humans to be of lesser value than other species), but I guess they don’t care about the small animals eaten by cougars either.

With libs, it seems that whatever it is that we do, we have to be stopped. We can’t, we can’t, we can’t. They’re making life miserable, and I wish they’d go back to their city ‘burbs and leave us alone!

Claire, like you, I love dogs because I was raised with them. Never had much use for cats although they seem to accept me just fine, but most animals can sense who to trust or not. Peta and the Humane Society, well let’s just say they are more political machines and a whole lot less about being humane. Their records have been widley exposed as in-humane.

Kate8, knowing the area you live around and of course the area where my folks used to live over by N San Juan on Moonshine Road, they’ve seen the mountain lions before and people in the area were losing their pets too.

Kate8 and JeffH–There are a lot of crazies out theree. Here in this area we have to keep an eye on our pets– No racism intended but there are whites and blacks that go around stealing dogs from backyards and using them for “bait” for their pitbulls. In Illinois there are a lot of dogfighting rings. Sure wish the police would catch more of these rotten characters but rumor has it that the police kind of shrug it off and say at least these lowlife people are killing dogs, not people. To me, that is a “cop-out.”
Some kids took an old lady’s dog out of her backyard, tied it to a telephone pole and let a pitbull go after it. Of course it was killed. Dogfighting here is as rampant as the meth labs. Disgusting, if I were a judge and any of these creeps came into my courtroom I would send them away for years. The Michael Vick incident was deplorable, I don’t give a damn how good of a ballplayer he may be, this is cruelty in one of the worst forms. These type of people do not change. I don’t care “how” they grew up, a person still has a choice in life–to be a decent human being or a lowlife. If I were a cop, I would go after them. No holds barred.

Claire, who is this Brady person? Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai
Vote November 2!

sook young–It is Bill Brady–he is a Republican running for the Governor of Illinois against the current governor Pat quinn who is a Democrat. I really do not like either of them. There is a Green Party candidate named Rich Whitney that is running also. As usual, not much to pick from here in Illinois.

Eddie you lied I never said the 95% of species HAVE lived on this planet are still here. You are a liar. Learn to read Beavis. All you libs, all have the same reading comprehension problem. Maybe that is why you all are as dumb as rocks.

Thank you for the information, Claire!

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai
Vote November 2!

Craig; Then you better learn to write! “Everything is here and doing fine”. Either they are here or they are not.

Harry,
gee, is that why so many corps are getting deferments???

I hear you. It really saddens me to see people such as Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama keep black people feeling victimized and entitled…a most powerful and destructive drug. Elijah Mohammed got half of it figured out by telling blacks they can be successful; unfortunately few black leaders have put that together with the idea that it is counterproductive to resent whites…while the Progressive, white-guilters aid and abet these attitudes for their political gain.

Yes, Allan, greed and corruption exist in all walks of life, but those with the most money have the greatest opportunity to fix the system so it works for them and they can do the most damage to others.

You get it, from that perspective.

In this worldview, you have to spend the majority of your time resenting those who are prettier than you, richer than you, smarter than you, better-liked than you, etc. What a lousy model for children!

This attitude not only will wreck a country, it will wreck a person. It assumes a rich person can’t be good, which is the corollary to assuming that poor people can’t be bad.

People accomplish more when they focus on their own accountability. You get to make a choice.

America in large part ascended because of the opportunity to become wealthy. Take that away, and you remove a source of inspiration that government can never provide.

Allan Halbert, Very well said.

That always has been what made America great, and what attracted so many people here from places where they had no hope of anything better.

Now, the libs want to make us the same as all the places everyone’s been trying to escape.

Bruce D., at this point the entire political system is contaminatned. Both bribe givers (large corporations and their lobbyists) and bribe takers (politicians) are at fault. The system needs a complete overall and rigorous campaign finance reform would be a good start.

As for the Tea Party, while proponents would like to believe it’s a grass roots movement, this analysis gives an excellent summary of where the money is actually coming from: “Right-wing billionaires exposed as financing Tea Party movement” (http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/9924).

Most Tea Party folks are well meaning and shouldn’t be faulted for their patriotism and concern. Unfortunetely there is big money and “secret agendas ” behind those who are running the show.The Tea Party should not be stopped but the behind the scenes leaders need to be exposed and be made accountable.

Does that same accountability go for the chocolate Marxist as well? That clown has more shadiness following him than any president in past history.

I agree Eddie, they do mean well. (the people/followers/believers, that is) as for the media, I feel it just another product, something to sell that people are buying along with the side products “gold/silver” guns and ammo etc. ~ Supply and demand! You can create demand! That seems to be what Media does best anymore.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Myself, I’ve surly enjoyed watching the GOP hop,skip and jump about as a loose 900 lb. cannon has been tossed around on a pitching deck in heavy seas. I didn’t know Republicans could dance so well.

It’s been a show ! McCain’s News flash “I’m no Maverick” just one of the many highlighted performances.

Will something good come of it? Maybe, I hope so. But I fear the right wing media is attempting to ratchet things up to a flash point, much like Hitler did with the torching of the Reichstag and blaming the Jews for it.

“The Reichstag fire (German: Der Reichstagsbrand) was an arson attack on the Reichstag building in Berlin on 27 February 1933. The event is seen as pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany.” ~

The people themselves seem clueless as the “powers that be” playing their twisted tricks with mislabeling and using loyalty to keeping them in the blind.

It seems only a few see and understand what’s really happening, as they become fevered and lost in the fight and fear.

of course, they’d wish to turn it around and say the same thing of me. The only problem with that is, I don’t carry the fever ~ it is they that’s butts on fire, not mine. To that they would say, You should be if you were wise.

There is no communication with them at this point, I’d have to be sitting in the Amen section to get a word in edge wise.

Barb Wire,
nice lead-in to what you wanted to impress people on with your knowledge!!!

Craig;I don’t know of any chocolate marxist! Mugabe maybe???

Eddie you do not know the chocolate Marxist? You are liar, you voted for him. The dumb dumbs refer to him as Obama.

You are being very condescending Eddie47d. People who show up at Tea Parties expect nothing in return except a Constitutional government and less taxes. To say that these people show up because some corporate funding just isn’t true. Most on the left want something for their support. They just can’t understand it when people want to do something for their country and its future.

Another righty that can’t read. The Tea Party is being managed and manipulated just like all political agendas. They mostly started out as concerned citizens and got taken over by a few talking heads.

fast ediot, which Tea Party re you talking about?..apparently you’re the resident expert, so tell us which Tea Party. I know that my Tea Party isn’t funded or controlled by any political party.
That’s right, somebody else said it so it must be true!

“The rest of the Media Matters article gives a detailed breakdown of exactly who has been involved, what activities they’ve undertaken, dates & locations etc.”

CutnPaste if you are listening to Media Matters it is not wonder you have the viewpoints you do. There are people at Fox News and heads of corporations that want what is best for this country. If that is the case they would not support President Obama and left wing ideology. They would support a Constitutional limited government as does The Tea Party. No one at a Tea Party is there because of Fox News or because of what some corporation wants. Fox News and corporations are welcome if they want to do the right thing and a lot of them do.

Bruce D: I had the same problem as you with Congresswoman Castor. All I received from her were her automatic responses until I told her she hung onto the skirt of Nancy Pelosi; that 70 per cent of the people she represents did not want the Health care Bill and Cap and Trade to pass.

She has responded to every submission of mine since I told her she was a fraud and would go door to door with her voting record. My opinion on her and her voting record along with many others was published in the Tampa Tribune since then. She is trying to stem the tide with several appearances in this area and the response she is receiving isn’t good. Since the Democrat’s have a majority in this area, I only can hope they see her for what she is and vote her out.

Good job Bud G. Your response is makes me proud to be an American. The fact that one citizen can make a politician have concern for their job.

Term limits will just make the bad ones hurry up their agendas!!!

Maybe. But what it will do is:

1. mitigate corruption and vote selling of those in power too long and feeling entitled.
2. make it tougher to develop corrupt relationships with outside influences.
3. insure we get more potential work on the problems instead of spending the MAJORITY OF THEIR TERM working on re-election.
4. attract a more service-oriented candidate because it’s NOT A CAREER.
5. potentially save the lifetime pension costs for serving more than one term.

It’s a NO BRAINER. You can’t expect the re-elected to change their stripes!

It is way past time to enact term limits for EVERYONE,from the local water or county commissioner to every office in the city, County, and State office including judges and particularly the Supreme Court. But I would go further; limit the amount of time Congress can even meet. It has worked well for most State Legislatures where it has been adopted (against mighty political resistance). Perhaps then, they’ll feel less compelled to “do something”, or get their name on something. But more importantly, it is time to enact some specific methods for the ordinary citizen to compel the prosecution and punishing of un-Constitutional acts by anyone, but most especially those who have sworn the Oath of Allegiance to support and defend the Constitution (both State and Federal).
DE OPPRESSO LIBER

Hello Soldier, history has shown over and over that in times of crises you could get anything for gold or silver, as well as precious stones. The (fiat) money, if available, became worthless! I personally can proof it!

Unfortunately, things are different now. It used to be that half the people were farmed and were self sufficient. Certainly they were tougher to some extent. Now, what? like 5% of the people farm? and 4.89% of them work for the Monsanto food corporation and owe their allegance to them?

You are absolutely right that things have changed. But trust me, in times of crisis a black market(“crisis’ bazaar”) will always flourish! And any form of precious metal will be welcome, for your paper money you’ll get a pitiful smile.

I agree with you. I think foreign currency is better than gold or silver. Why not irridium? Platinum is also scarce. These industrial metals, gold is one also, fell during the financial crisis of 2008-09. But, food, seeds, and some stock are more essential than gold. A goat or sheep may be the only resort for most of us. Hey, goat milk ain’t half bad. Bah.

Ah luv thees piple that spell sow well. They lern al tha ruls butt do they no iny thang?

Its up to the military. They either side with the people or side with the bastards in power. Bottom line. Unless you think some red necks in the woods with AR-15s can hold out against checmial warhead artillery, stealth bombers, tanks, etc.

The military is overseas so I guess we’ll have to rely on AMERICANS to defend there own nation. Thast might amount to more than a couple of “rednecks” as you so callously put it.

A great amount of the military is here in America. In fact, I bet more total military is here in the states then oversees. Also, I should note that one checmical warhead landing in the woods just might cause thousands of patriots to start spasming uncontrollably. Hope you have your gas masks at the ready. I am just trying to drive home my opinion, that I truly beleive its up to the military to defect and side with the people at least to some extent, or we are #$##$

73 % OF OUR TOTAL U.S. GOVERNED SOLDERS ARE OVER SEA’S.THE MARINES ARE THE TRUE PATRIOTS,IN THEIR OWN OATH.THE CITIZENS ARE FIRST TO BE DEFENDED AGAINST TYRANNY FROM IT’S OWN GOVERNMENT.RIGHT NOW THE MARINES 78 % TO 22 % WOULD TURN ARMS ON THE GOVERNMENT,THAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT FOR SIX DECADES.

Point taken. Still, we need the patriots and their guns too.

I recently heard that our military is joining with the NWO in droves.

Must be the youth who have no hope of any other future. Gee, you’d almost think it was planned.

Kate, would you please post something to back that up?
That’s a pretty powerful statement to make based on “I heard”…

JC – Geez, I read and hear things all the time, and just mentally file it. I don’t necessarily jot down details for future reference!

Rest assured, I would not say it if I hadn’t, in fact, heard it. I only mentioned it as a point of interest, thinking that if anyone was interested enough they could check it out.

Anyway, until I run across the original info, this is something I came up with. If you want to know more, I’m sure you can find something yourself.

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin567.htm

If we are limited to sharing only what we have links for, we miss a lot of potential info. Besides, it’s not as if a link proves or disproves anything, anyway.

You are right and you are wrong. Our taxes are the source of power to the politicans in the sense that our taxes make us poorer, and thus, more apt to slavery. However, the Federal Reserve simply prints what our government needs. There really is not point to paying taxes at all (as all of our tax money goes back to the Federal Reserve though the IRS) except to stay inflation some. If the fed just printed out money like crazy but collected no taxes from us, inflation would be worse. Remember if we had a god standard system of money, CON-gress couldn’t endlessly expand their wars, etc. without cofiscating all taxes at the barrel of a gun. If congress had to do this, we would rioted a long time ago.

Soldier,
do you think the mid to lower ranked military would launch chemical strikes against the people of the U.S.?? Especially if there is even a slight chance that parts of their family might get hit?? I don’t think so! I served for over seven years and I don’t think any of the guys I served with would have, especially since their oath is to the constitution and by that to the people of the U.S.!!

Joe, I have full confidence that our military would not fire upon the citizens of this nation. When you have 85% of your armed forces supporting Ron Paul in the 2008 elections, you have to realize that these men & women are no dupes. Over half the man’s campaign contributions came from military. When all hell breaks out, they will likely side with what I call the freedom fighters.

Joe H., I wouldn’t stake my life on that.

Once again, the LINK:

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin567.htm

kate8,
I’ll stake my life on it I staked my life on our troops for 18 months in VietNam and all my life here! The few that have committed true atrocities are the exception not the norm. I have faith in that! I know quite a few of the young people serving over there now and they are all good God respecting people. They are the type to take their oath seriously as I did 42 years ago! That doesn’t change that much!

And puttng in jail all first ladies caught electioneering in polling places as Mochelle did this past week.

She was answering someone who supports her husband and then she left.It’s called conversation Craig and a very far stretch from what you called it.

You must be the guy who keeps the Queen’s skirt from touching that dirty ol American soil…else how the hell would you know what they were saying?

That is still electioneering. She needs to be in jail.

fast eddie – this one is just for you!

MICHELLE CAMPAIGNED INSIDE POLLING PLACE?
Thu Oct 14 2010 16:19:25 ET
First lady Michelle Obama may have violated Illinois law today — when she engaged in political discussion at a polling place!

Mrs. Obama stopped off at the Martin Luther King Center on the south side of Chicago to cast an early vote.

After she finished at the voting machine, Obama went back to the desk and handed in her voting key.

She let voters including electrician Dennis Campbell, 56, take some photos with her.

“She was telling me how important it was to vote to keep her husband’s agenda going,” Campbell said.

According to the pool reporter at the scene, the conversation took place IN the voting center not far from the booths.

Illinois state law — Sec. 17-29 (a) — states: “No judge of election, pollwatcher, or other person shall, at any primary or election, do any electioneering or soliciting of votes or engage in any political discussion within any polling place, within 100 feet of any polling place.”

Now, JeffH, You know that the left (especially black left) doesn’t have to adhere to such laws. Just look how they are allowed to combine politics and religion (right in their doctrines), feature campaigning politicians right at Sunday service…I bet we could find many ares where they are not held to this standard.

Heck, they’re even allowed to threaten voters at the polls without fear of penalty.

How have we put up with this double standard for so long without even a protest.

Kate8, you’re right. It’s always the case of “do as I say, not as I do” with them.

JC; Jeff explained what she had to say so maybe you need to pay attention to the news instead of barking at the wrong time; and it was still passing words (conversation) Craig so don’t make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Kate 8 had to bring up the race card and good ol’ Jeff eggs her on. That’s the real truth here.

Passing words about you husbands Marxist agenda is called “electioneering” Eddie. It is a federal crime and she needs to be put behind bars.

Getting through to fast eddie is like trying to catch a fly with chopsticks…you could spend your whole life trying and never get it.

“First lady Michelle Obama may have violated Illinois law today — when she engaged in political discussion at a polling place!”

Well? This is not good and polling stations are not the place for idle chit chat by “anyone”.

~ given the fact, the 1st Lady moves about with an entourage of security and handlers that’s paid top dollar to control her public appearances to the micro -detail, I can’t help but suspect we have a bit of embellishing at work here. ~ Do you think Michell can just run a muck and not be mindful of where she is at? I would think , most would be on their very best behavior.

Race card, eddie? Now, that’s funny, coming from a leftie.

What I stated was simple fact. Playing the ‘race card’ is using race to threaten someone’s free speech. To silence truth. Like you just tried to do, eddie.

I refuse to play that game. I call ‘em how I see ‘em. You can take your PC and stuff it.

And you can take you’re two faced race baiting and stuff it. I’ll call it as I see it.

Craig; They have padded cells for loonies like you.

fast ediot, can’t stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen!
Stupid is as stupid does!

LOL…an uneducated know nothing loon calling me a loon. Now thats funny.

Eddie, you are slacking boy. You forgot to call me a racist. I take being called a racist as a badge of honor. Seeing as how, the liberal definition of the word, is anybody that does not buy into the stuff they spew.

Bob Wire, I agree w/ you that once Bob Livingston made that comment, I was done w/ the article. Equating us to Nazi Germany is absurd. You can find parallels between all sorts of aspects of different societies and gov’ts,but that doesn’t make them the same. One parallel now is all the hate and fearmongering directed toward minorities,immigrants,gays…Hitler did know how to scapegoat groups and used it to his political advantage. The extreme rightwing is doing the same thing.

Exactly right. Italy had fascism as well, probably still does to a great degree. But there is a very strong similarity between Nazi Germany and the USA of today, in that the Nazi Party virtually owned the propaganda machine (the MSM of their day) and they used it to the hilt. They were obvious in a way which (because what they did is recent memory) would be seen through immediately by many Americans seventy years later. Doesn’t mean it’s not happening on a more subtle but more widespread basis here, it is. Who did our present-day controllers learn their craft from? And the messages are being piped into the living rooms of a very dumbed down, drugged out, far more docile public than existed back then.

As for the wheel-barrow/loaf-of-bread inflation? As Slick says, sit tight.

(Come to think of it, you could fill a wheel barrow with loaves of bread at 1940 prices, for the dollar-cost of one loaf in 2010. Check my math, but I think this is called inflation.)

Just because Hitler and his gang tried to boil the frog too quickly, doesn’t mean it can’t be done. (Hint, start by fluoridating the water, making the frog too fat and weak to jump, and raising the walls of the pan to the point where he can no longer see his way clear to freedom.)

I responded to one statement ~ an over the top statement that stood alone and needed no support for there was none that could be offered.

In as far as these comments regarding the “heavy hand of government”, it’s being spoken as if it’s “Something NEW” and offered up by the current administration.

We are not completely “Free” and haven’t been “Free” for quite awhile. It’s always been a illusion of sorts, the same walls that keeps others out , keeps you in.

We have been regulated and law’ed and taxed to death ever since Ronnie said these words. ” it’s time to get the Federal Government off the peoples back” ~~ while City, County and State made it a Tag Team Match of regulating,taxed, penalizing and Licensing each one of us to death acting as federal proxy.

This didn’t ~ just occur! There is no Fascist to it ! It’s simply greedy people running greedy government across the board.

Why paint some god awful label on it that doesn’t fit in some attempt to mislabel and get people all worked up about the wrong thing?

It doesn’t have a thing to do with Fascism or per WWII Germany accept with the attempt of exciting some kind of riot rule fueled by difficult economic times, old resentment, racial bias and religious beliefs.

I doubt if there is any one here that dislike government anymore then I do on one of my better days. But, me not liking it ~ is not going to make it go away.

You need a plan ~ a working plan ! I plan to die and screw everybody ~ that will teach ‘em. Until then, ~ I’m given up as little ground as possible.

Now if you want to discuss how to avoid giving up ground, ~ lets talk.

But It Sure as hell didn’t start with this administration and won’t end with it.

This mislabeling is bull$hit and end in no good.

Conversely, I agree completely with Bob and have held the same viewpoint for some time. Our rights are barely there….if at all.
And we live under a very thin layer of freedom…that can be taken away by jack boot authority at the drop of a hat.
There’s just no arguing the point, it’s a real as it gets.

It is like being an alcoholic Bob. Before you can solve the problem you have to be honest with yourself and call it what it is. Labeling it greed does not really recognize the fact that politians have changed the Republic into something that our ‘founders’ did not have in mind. You seem to think that because it didn’t all happen in the last two years that it is somehow not so bad. I do not quite get that.

Excellent observation and response Bruce and you are so right. So the question before us is ?

What’s is it going to take to place people in office that loves the work of being public servants for the reward that public work offers and not just for the power and money?

Any clues?

need, greed and ego always manages to butt in.

Maybe Public work should offer something besides money ~ something money can’t buy.

Bob the Tea Party has started to put Republicans in fear of losing their job at the primaries if they do not go back to a Constitutional government. The Democratic Party belittles and degrades the Tea Party and any attempt to go back to a Constitutional government as does some Republicans. So first you have to find out who is willing to go back to a Constitution government and who is not. We cannot have government buying votes with a stimulus package. That is the ultimate assault on our Constitution and why the ‘founders’ were leary of a democracy.

I think if you have to ask, you can’t afford the pricetag.

Clever.

I agree with many of these replies, and in that context I would like to add a bit of substance.
In Mr. Livingston’s latest newsletter, his reference to “gradualism” is right on point. What is happening to the United States, along with most of the “developed” countries in the world, is a very long range plan to control the population of the world. The United States, because of it’s type of government(a Constitutional Republic – based on the original Constitution), is the last and hardest bastion of a free society to be conquered. Many events throughout our history, which the public-at-large know nothing about, are gradually aiding in this endeavor. In 1873, the Organic District of Columbia Act established the United States as a corporation which was governed by a “new” constitution. They adopted our original Constitution except they eliminated the thirteen amendment. Since then everything our government has done has been done to gain more gradual control over the citizenry.
We percieve our elected officials, which are really nothing more than corporate representatives, as the people in power. Understand that they really do the bidding of the real power-brokers. They are puppets-on-a-string who do as the puppet masters dictate. The puppet masters were the authors and force behind the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and, not coincidently, the establishment of the IRS in that same year.
Think about the fact that in 1913 the gold-backed U.S. dollar was worth One dollar; in 2008, as compared to the 1913 dollar, the fiat U.S. dollar was worth .06 cents. What happend to the other .94 cents?
Consider the following quotes:
“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse,
intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their
control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.”
James Madison
“The dominion which the banking institutions have obtained over the
minds of our citizens…must be broken, or it will break us.”
Thomas Jefferson
“The real rulers of Washington are invisible and exercise power from
behind the scenes.” Felix Frankfurter – Supreme Court Justice
“The high office of President has been used to foment a plot to
destroy the American’s freedom, and before I leave office I must
inform the citizen of his plight.” John F. Kennedy
“The Federal Reserve System is nothing more than legalized
counterfeit.” Ron Paul
“Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who
writes the laws.” Mayer Amschel Bauer-aka Baron Rothschild
“Who controls money controls the world.” Henry Kissinger
In the United States, until we can abolish the Federal Reserve System and it’s centralized banks, we cannot have a Constitutional Republic as envisioned by our Founders. By and large, it matters not who we “elect” because the power behind the elected still remain the puppet masters(understand the reason behind the assassination of JFK).
In the present, put aside food-water-medicine-arms/ammunition, etc. Look for organizations to join/support that will Restore our Original Constitution; for military active/retired, all police/sheriff both active and retired – become familiar with Operation Vampire.
We have not lost, but we have a very, very long and hard road ahead of us. Keep your family and friends close; very close.

Well said, good points all.

^^ True that… ^^

medutch1, Great post.

Of course, they haven’t stopped at controlling the money. They now control media, education, medicine, food…and even churches. Christians have been the last bastion of resistance, and are now being officially subdued.

Now, more than ever, we must guard against deception on all fronts, even those we want to trust.

Right on, Kate8. It’s always good to read your postings. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Unions are owned and controlled by corporations and their power is limited. They can’t really do a thing or make demands without the approval of said corporation or business. Unions are dying because the corporations have too much power over who gets what. It certainly isn’t the American worker who is winning.

Wow! I didn’t think it could get any worse, yet I’ve been proved wrong! Thanks for the reinforcement fast eddie.

You dumb down on a few issues Jeff and it never ceases to amaze me. Stick to your preprinted dialogs and impress your friends for you never say much on your own that is relevant.

Right fast eddie, and the corporations run the unions…LMAO!

Eddie he dumbs down the issues so even you could understand and you still don’t get it. Says a lot about. Does your IQ even get out of the lower single digits?

fast eddie. do I detect a bit of jealousy? Just the fact that I find educational and informative information to share through my research and find that it is much easier to post that information, with the corresponding links of course, does not require that I post them in my own words. That said, you ought to try to back up your continuous rants and mis-information with a little factual research. Oh, that’s right, you don’t do any research, you just rant the mis-information you hear from the other liberal progressive minions or you plain make it up. You’d think by now that even a dummy could figure out that the ridicule you recieve would diminish if you’d post some facts once in awhile.

JeffH, Corporations run the unions___WTF???__

edduhhh!,
Have you ever worked for a company that has a union??? The unions have ruined what used to be a good concept! That concept WAS to protect the worker from dangers and unfair practices on the job. Now the union is SOOO money hungry it isn’t even funny!! Now the unions are the dangers and the unfair practice. The laziest workers on the job are protected so hard that they can’t be fired, in the case of teachers, the most rotten teachers in the schools are protected like they are endangered species! They should BE endangered!!! They should be gone, but the union threatens a strike if they fire him/her!! Meanwhile our children are falling further and further behind the rest of the world!!

“Unions are owned and controlled by corporations”

Which Union? Which Corporations? Where do you get this crap?
Unions and Corporations are anathema to one another. (look it up)

Eddie, you truly are an idiot. What corporation owns or runs the SEIU scumbags?

Wise up old dumb ones! Every union person works for someone else. The unions don’t own a thing and only want a piece of the corporate pie. They deserve a good wage like anyone and because they have the moxie to get it doesn’t make them the bad guys. Sure a few demand too much and they play this cat and mouse game of asking for alittle more and then settle for what would have been more reasonable in the first place. Most attacks on unions are overtly pathetic and tears down the middle class even farther. Some of you are helping to turn this country into a 3rd nation by ignoring Corporate corruption. You’re allowing these elites to make more at the expense of the once strong middle class. That is far more dangerous and you have been encouraging it with you’re union bashing.

Man are you clueless.

For sure Craig, and unbelievably so…

Craig and JC : I’m certainly not buying you’re snake oil so maybe you can join your corporate buddies and head out overseas.

fast ediot, where did you get your wit from? A rock, cause your about as smart as a rock!

Eddie, speaking the truth that you are absolutely clueless is the truth. In your world the truth is snake oil? Strange world you live in.

Thank you, Someone who get’s the corporate connection.

That we suffer due to economic fascism is indisputable.

The reason Government has grown to the current critical mass is simply due to one thing – Voter Apathy. And I don’t see it changing. Corporations have no power whatever over us without the force of Government to back them up. What do most of the voters do to change that? They keep putting in office the same old tired politicians who promise them great things but give them cow dung. None of this is going to change until you people quit putting those damned RINOs into office. It doesn’t matter if they are better than the Democrats, they aren’t good enough to roll back the Leviathan Government. So, it just keeps growing.
When we as voters learn to respect real Freedom, that is the Freedom to control our own bodies and property, then maybe things will change. But I don’t see that happening anytime soon. The Democrats want to share our money (thus our labor), and the Republicans want to save us from ourselves. Neither major party really understands Freedom. So, we suffer. And we will continue to suffer until people quit voting for power-hungry busy bodies who think they know what is best for others.
Vote Libertarian for real Freedom:
http://libertarianparty.org/platform

DaveH: You know, there are a lot of obviously intelligent people here, I’d be glad to have them as neighbors when TSHTF, because they appear to be the sort of realists and pragmatists you need to build a new community from the ashes. Yet even many of them disagree on many things regarding what is wrong with our decaying system, what and who we would need in public office to fix it. Not to play devil’s advocate, here, but what makes you think your typical American voter can see through the smoke and mirrors sufficiently to agree to select, then elect anyone better suited to defend their interests than what they have been doing?

It took the Supreme Court to put Little George in office the first time, and rigged voting machines to keep him there. To put Obama in the White House they scarcely needed any of that, vox populi was all it took, since in ’08 the devil the voters knew was more terrifying than the unknown alternative. We were handed absurd choices (except for Paul, who disappointingly caved) and told to hurry up and vote. And here we are today, right where They want us to be. It’s like the Johnny Cash song where he’s being swallowed by a snake.

How in the world do you expect us to VOTE our way out of this mess?
I’m sure Johnny was voting his ass off. We know how that song ended.

The DEms this election have spent 130 million and the repugs so far 80 million. Seems the dems are crying for what? They are getting plenty of money. Do they reveal who their contributors are? NO. F the libs. Let em whine and cry.

What makes you think Angel is giving up and throwing in the towel?

Your Right Al, I’ve never been one to throw in the towel, ain’t gonna start now!__Not sure why slick got that impression?__I’m just not about to change things with a gun!__I’ll defend what I have like a grizzly, but I’d never start anything!

Angel Wannabe,
If you are a quitter, Then you sure fooled me!!! I’d rather slap the pres with a fish than to call you a quitter. Keep up the good fight!!!

You’re right Al, Angel Wannabe is a freedom fighter and fellow patriot. Pay no mind to slickporche, he talks way to much smack. He’s either a haired trigger or a liberal plant…?

Four boxes are available to us. There is a specific order of use.

Those boxes in correct order of use are:
Soap box – I.E. This site.
Ballot box – Nov 2. Use it wisely.
Jury box – Make sure you know your duty as a juror (www.fija.org)
Ammo box – Pray to your Creator that we never have to open that 4th box.

G.B. Shaw also said: “Don’t vote for them, it only encourages them.”

This about sums it up for me. Other than those who actively supported Ron Paul, people today involved in campaigning and voting for most of these $#it#ead$ are probably doing little harm, nor much good, because what they’re doing is pointless in light of the fact that, as Bob L. so thoroughly explains here, governments don’t empower or produce, they regulate (disenfranchise individuals for the benefit of the corporatocracy) and they consume.

Frankly, I’d rather most people stayed home and voted for American Idol. This would make it easier to differentiate between the gullible idiots (who are sufficiently impressed with pomp and glitz to pay for it with their freedom) and the discerning patriots (who will pay a reasonable price for sensible regulation in which they have a stake and a say).

You got that right. There are registered voters out there who probably think Gordon Gecko is real, and should run for office.

George Washington had a better description of government.
“Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ”
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/g/george_washington.html

No need to bring in evil though evil people will often use the force of government.

One of my favorite quotes, too!

great quote Vick ~ direct and to the point , simply stated

JeffH,
My first experience with real barter was at 14 years old. A lady had a 55 chevy up on blocks in her garage and I mowed her lawn each week and shoveled her sidewalk each time it snowed. the day I turned 16, my father and I went over to her house and picked up the title and the car and I took it home. I worked for that car for almost 2 years and I took such good care of it! I sold it when I was 26 to go to college!! That and the GI bill took me through four years!!!

Joe H., how funny, my first car was a 55 chevy business coupe. My first barter was for a 20ga Fox Mdl B side by side from a family friend. That was my first huntin’ shotgun.

My dad had a 55 Chevy Bel Air. Blue & beige. Great car in a great era.
Remember it well.

Grey Wolf, mine was a two door with the post. I was running a three-deuce set up, 3/4 race cam with solid lifters and a Borg Warner T-10 4 speed with 4:11 posi. A 283 small block chevy bored .30 over to 292 CI. It was pretty quick. I used to smoke SS 396′s and even beat a 440GTX with it. I ended up totaling it.

Thanks Jeff, good post, maybe some more people will get it.

Awesome. Now you just try preaching this to Lord Humongous and his biker gang and see if he agrees.

Soldier
Biker gangs? Not hardly.They will be the freedom fighters of this century and if you knew any then you would understand that.

You make an excellent point, JeffH. Jackson was a rare man. He had high ideals, and he wasn’t afraid to back up his words with deeds. It is much more than ironic that Jackson was also a Democrat [a truly FUNCTIONAL Democrat who was worthy of the title]. If he was alive today and running for office, he couldn’t get elected. He couldn’t get appointed as a dog catcher. So much for modern ‘Democrats.’
Compare Jackson with those who call themselves ‘Democrats’ now, and you have to shake your head and wonder what happened to integrity and honor. I’d jump at the opportunity to trade any 10,000 elected, useful idiots for five true patriots like Andy Jackson.

Well s c, Have you ever read the History of your Idol Andrew Jackson ? He is responsible for the first and most heinous and horrific ” Indian Removal Act” of the U.S. Government, in order for you to eliminate ignorance his actions is know as the “Trail of Tears”, removal of the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw and Seminole, “The Five Civilized Tribes” all because of the discovery of “Gold” in them their Hills. Many of us “Injuns, Redskins” or whatever other terms you use, do not use or carry a Twenty Dollar ($20.00) ponzi-fiat paper bill because it represents the “Genocide” legislation of this Jerk. A great thank you to the Injuns after they fought with him to win his wars and battles. Read some Library of Congress archive history. Hell, I’m just a “Dumb Injun” what do I know !

I’m with you, WIA. My ancestors were Cherokee. They escaped the trail of tears, and came to the coast of NC. My Grandmother was full blooded Cherokee, but alas, married a white man, as there were no other Indians around to marry. Thus, I am a “half-breed”. My people also refused to carry the $20 bill. I heard stories about the troops that were sent to kill the Indians, grabbing the babies by the feet and bashing their little heads against the trees. Horror stories! I’m glad my ancestors were able to escape. When I was growing up, my mother taught me to NEVER tell anyone that we were part Indian.

How sad, Joyce. It is unfortunate that the most dishonorable amongst us tend to gravitate to the top.

Joyce–The Trail of Tears. It was a terrible thing to happen. Your words speak volumes. I have several friends that are part Cherokee. I love them dearly. A guy in Wisconsin co-owns a show dog with me. He is engaged to a lady that is part Cherokee. She is beautiful– in her looks and her soul. They are my dear friends.
A couple of years ago I edited a book and it told of the Trail of Tears. It also told of Indian babies being killed in the same manner that you spoke of. Tragic ordeal.

WIA–I agree with you about Andrew Jackson. He implemented the physical removal of the Indians, and ordered their removal to reservations. About 4,000 Indians died during the Trail of Tears. Andrew Jackson was a scumbag.

I have read a bit on A. Jackson trying to determine why he so disliked the first american settlers or if he was just after land on the cheap for the waves of immigrants arriving from his homeland of Ireland and other parts of Europe. I cannot answer. Some say his mother’s relatives were killed by indians either before or after he arrived here. Some say the general atmosphere in and around the Waxhaws at his time was very anti-Indian. He was involved in the bitter frontier fights of the Revolutioary War and may have fought the British aligned Cherokee or other tribes as I do not know who aligned with US or Them. Anyway, he again fought in the war of 1812 against the British and some natives as you mentioned some were on his side. However, the result is the same. He promoted the indian removals and went along with the congressional plan when the courts tried to intervene on behalf of the tribes.

I have often thought that the greatest part of the problem was a clash of clutures. Arriving immigrants could not live the subsistance lifestyle of the natives in the numbers that arrived. As there was not large opposing force to stop the invasion, the result was set in stone. Something to keep in mind with all the people from all over the world coming here now.

I hunt,fish, and farm a bit in what was Creek nation lands. I do not see how a family made it. I think the communal part of the native life crossed up with the individual accomplishment ways of the newcomers.

I have often thought of resettlement ideas. I realize that the idea is like giving Arlington back to the Lee family. Even without the graves, Arlington would just be a potential subdivision and not used as in 1860 as a farm. Time is past and the present moves on.

Before you put old Andy on too high a pedistol remember that it was he, through pressure from land speculators, that stole treated Indian lands in western Ga., Tenn., and the Carolinas and forced these people onto reservations. He did many great things but this was a giant blot upon his record.

Slick, Exactly. What ARE we to do about it?

I think Bob is right (great article, BTW), the USA is already one huge concentration camp. We have been slaves and prisoners without realizing it (until now). The whole system has been set up to continue to tighten around our necks until we find ourselves hopelessly snared. And it was so easy for them! All they had to do was keep dangling a few carrots…

Yes, what are we to do? There is no longer even a pretense of honesty or integrity among ‘elected’ officials. The system’s corruption is complete.

I don’t see how ANYTHING can change (for better or worse) without total collapse. That is the plan. I’m not sure there are enough folks with the moral courage and fortitude to stand up to the system, since they get offers they simply can’t afford to refuse. What the elites have in mind for us is not for OUR betterment, that’s for sure.

The other thing that’s for sure is that, if and when they get what they want, they will REALLY turn on each other. It’s in their natures to need to control and subjugate. They already are doing that to a large degree, and watching them is kind of fun.

Welcome to the Federal U.S. Caucasian Reservation, now for your leaders to write a Code of Federal Regulations, entitled The Bureau of Caucasian Affairs, I’ll volunteer to be the Secretary of the Bureau, and naturally, make sure all of you regardless of race, color or creed and place of origin remain in these reservations (concentration reserves) for as long as the sun rises from the east and sets on the west, as long as the little waters flow to the big waters, as long as the wind blows and the grasses grow from the mother earth toward the father sky or 90 days which ever comes first . I will make sure that you receive you provisions monthly and I will see to it that all your children are removed from their homes and relocated to the appropriate Federal school system.

NEW WORLD ORDER BABY.

You do yourself and your people injustice with your words and your seeking of vengeance this way. Vengeance is my says the Lord. You also need to forgive in order to be forgiven. My ancesters were booted out of Germany by Wilhelm Kaiser, and had everything take from them, and barely made it out alive. Those people owe me nothing sir. They are dead and gone, and it would be rediculous for me to hold anger and hatred towards those in Germany now, as they had nothing to do with it, and they didnt do it to me. You keep carrying that anger, it’ll eat you up inside. Let it go. It was wrong, no doubt about it. But all those crazy people that wronged you are gone. Im white, and I dont deserve your hatred at me because of the color of my skin. Do you not see that is wrong? Sir, it is wrong. I am deeply, deeply ashamed at what white man did to the American Indian. I fully recognize it as wrong, and I still think the way the government treats Indians sucks. But dont blame me because my skin is a certain pigment. That is so wrong man, so wrong. I didnt do it, and I would never do it. But you hate me because Im white, and I cannot help that. Its the way I was born. There is only one that can heal the pain man, and that is Jesus Christ. He can take all pain, disgust, hatred, sin, dirt and all away. I know. I used to be like you.

WIA
You never said what type of religion you believe in.The point is in your last life what color was your skin white? brown?what you forget is you would teach the same hate to your children generation after generation to see the white man as your enemy and this mindset will continue on untill all indians breed them selves out of existance.I have allot of indian friends from allot of different tribes that some believe the same thing as you because they where taught that way.But I have others that believed that they where better than that and had prospered from it.Living in the past is not going to make your future generations move forward so its up to you and your elders to see the past as only history and change things for the betterment of your future generations.

kate, I think what Slick is talking about is joining him in “locking and loading.”

Karolyn, Yes, you are probably right. That’s just not where my mind goes first. Once a few people embark down that road…well, just be sure it’s the last option.

Karolyn, you’re probably right.

Kate8–Good answer.

Oh…its the zionists that have done this. Give me a break.

The Rothschilds are zionists!
The Israel Supreme Court is the creation of one elite family: the Rothschilds. In their negotiations with Israel, they’ve agreed to donate the building under three conditions: the Rothschilds were to choose the plot of land, they would use their own architect and no one would ever know the price of its construction. The reasons for those conditions are quite evident: the Supreme Court building is a Temple of Masonic Mystery Religion and is built by the elite, for the elite.

The Rothschilds are one of the originators of the Zionist movement and the most active actors in the creation of the state of Israel. James A. de Rothschild financed the Knesset, Israel’s main political building. Right in front of it sits the Israeli Supreme Court, donated by another member of the dynasty: Dorothy de Rothschild.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1229

Wow! That was an eye opener. Thanks for the link.
My ignorance concerning the “zionists” doesn’t mean that I disagree
with Bob’s article. I most certainly do agree.

Gary, not to worry. I’m pretty sure there is so much more info that could shed much more light on this issue.

Gary, me thinks you need to do some work my friend, particularly on deception.

GARY,YOU NEED TO STUDY THE HISTORY OF ZIONIST,LEARN A THING OR TWO.

Lookout for the Cavalry, the Brown Coats are coming !

Get some peyote and dream. I’m only part indian, but my grandmother was full Seminole. She hated the whites for awhile, then finally said ‘the Indians lost the war’. They need to get involved in the society that is coming. Stop whining and help make the best social order you can make.

White men stole the land and resources from the Natives, almost as soon as they arrived. The most free in this country are generally white,wealthy, people who control most of the money and power, and the people of color struggle to keep up and create a good life for themselves and their children. The life span for all minorities is shorter and their quality of life poorer.

denny
the problem is welfare!No one will ever better them selves as long as there is government assistants thats a fact and sooner they all get over it the faster they will join society and not whine about something that happened a couple hundred years ago!

A newspaper article I read ascerted that Hispanics live 2 years longer than Whites and 5 years longer than Blacks in America.

I got new for you Denniso. Im a sports fan. I watch Baseball, basketball, Football, Hockey, basically everything but soccer. You can keep that. A five year old can kick a ball, know what I mean. Anyhow, seems in most of these sports, predominately Basketball and Football, and a lot in baseball, folks with black skin and brown skin seem to be the majority of the participants, and they are all multi millionaires, who make more money in one year than I will see in my life. Boxers the same way. So dont come off as if only white people got money. Heck man, your boy George Soros that owns the democratic party is of brown color, from greece or somewhere. Money knows no skin color, so get over it. You always seem to go to the race card in these posts, sooner or later, you always go there. Amazing. Your like an open book, so predictable.

Look at the fortune 500 execs, mostly white. Look at most ceos,mostly white. Look at bankers,mostly white. Look at the stats for poverty rates among groups of Americans, people of color are at the bottom.

Blacks were forcibly kept out of most pro sports until recently and now they dominate because of their superior abilities,but they are a tiny number in comparison to the general public.

DON’T BE MAD,JUST BECAUSE WE HAD BETTER WEAPONS.

No doubt, WIA, that many white leaders have spoken with forked-tongue. But I find it real hard to believe that all native americans have been lilly white. People are people, regardless of race or origin. There will always be dishonorable people in our midst. The best we honorable people can do is stick together and work to stop those people.

WIA I am only part Naragansett Indian but I think when people want to be looked on as victims they do to themselves what no one else can do to them. New England tribes were fighting each other long before the white man ever showed up as were the plains Indians. Naragansett Indians form a pact with Roger Williams against other hostile tribes in the area. Indians are no different from others. There are those who want what someone else has and would rather take it than work for it.

There is no such man as a full blood anything. I am reluctant to spend time looking up my anscestors because I know that a little bastard or two is in the bushes. You can also have your likly genetic base checked for a few dollars and refute me. I may do so one day to prove I am a blond blue eyed black who can’t jump.

golenrod_on_myboots– I don’t think I want to know who my ancesters are, either. According to the newspaper, Obama, Palin and lImbaugh are related. Sometimes not knowing is better.

I often looked at the last Pres. Bush and thought he might be a good fraction Indian. His maternal line of Walker was an indian name to me. I even spent a few hours trying to prove it on the net. Nothing.

Even if he was just one thirty second or some such, I would think his native roots should be mentioned if known.

I like the who is related to who thing. If you go back 10 generations which I can do on several lines, you get 2^10 people if you get them all which I cannot. That is 1024 people over 200 years ago who may have had children by multiple partners due to death at an early age my the women in particular. It has happened both ways in my case. Think of the spawn of that 1024 people even if some lines terminated without issue.

Claire So are Bush, Coulter and Harry Reid. What do they all have in common? They are all weasels.

Robert S– I am German, Danish, Swedish and Irish. It would be my luck that I would be related to Hitler–that is one reason why I don’t want to know. I would be horrified. Dang it, we cannot pick and choose our relatives!

Claire – would that we could pick our relatives — would have saved me a fortune this year alone!

I myself am somewhat of a mutt, but thank God I dont have any French in me, so I dont have to run and hide and call for an American to come save me. But I choose to overlook color, as my Lord and Savior Jesus did. He see’s whats in the heart, and thats what matters. It doesnt matter what color, or the length of our hair, or the clothes we wear, or the bling we collect. All that is worthless vanity and it is all passing away. All of it. The soul is eternal, as are the things in our hearts. That is where the truth is, and that is what is important. Everything else on the outside is just a masquerade, a appearance like the cover on a book, and it doesnt tell what is inside.

Beberoni– Good post.

Berberoni The French saved us during the Revolutionary War.

You’ve failed to mention Pulaski and Kościuszko – but of course they were not French – they were Polish – and there were others.

You sir, are the true REAL American, and I cannot make it right what was done, and is continued to be done to the American Indian. Its a travesty, its embarrasing to me, and Im ashamed by it. Yet our own government bows down and pollycoddles to the blacks, the hispanics, the middle eastern terrorists, illegal aliens all over, and still nothing for the American Indian, and this white boy for one thinks it sucks. Nothing can be done to make up for the horrors that were perpetuated on your people. The death walk was worse than what the jew suffered under Hitler, and that was just horrible. And our country will fall to the hands of another, but it wont be because of white man, or black man or hispanic man, or American Indian man. No, it will be because of their failure to acknowledge God in his proper place. Just as the Greeks, the Romans, the Medes and Persians, who all were dynamic huge dynasties, they walked without God and were destroyed for it, and here in America, we are all to quickly walking down that same line, and less and less people see it as we move farther and farther away from Him. If you dont learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. Evidently we havent learned, and it is repeating itself right in front of our very eyes. I apologize to you for what my ancestors did. I cannot make it right, or make it go away, only to acknowledge it and not repeat it myself. That is all I have control over, and I exercise that control not to repeat the mistakes previously committed. Insanity is described as doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. Sanity is learning from mistakes and making things better. God bless you, and have a good day.

DaveH
Thanks Dave Im marking him on my list for the ballot!

dan, DaveH, making my list too, and checking it twice. us miners here are voting out Joe Hart as state mine inspector and hope we can get Manuel Cruz in, democrat or not, he has the underground safety experience, and Joe Hart lied about his experience, he couldn’t run a county shovel crew filling in holes along the highway.

Boy, oh boy…I leave this site for a week and come back to even more
hyperbole and fear mongering. It was nice to not hear all this whining and moaning and bitching for a while.

Bob Livingston, you’ve apparently gone off the edge,just as most of these people here have. First, G.B. Shaw was an avowed socialist and yet you use him to push gold…funny. Then to say that ‘the U.S. today is a Fascist State no different than Nazi Germany’, is outrageous and absurd.Even when Bush started wiretapping anyone he wished and was using the color coded terror threat for political reasons,we were still a far cry from Hitler’s Germany. Sure, Bush’s invasion of Iraq looked much like Hitler’s unprovoked invasions of his neighbors,but we still had the process that provides for a new president and we mostly turned away from the worst offenses of Cheny/Bush. You surely know better than to make such a broad comparison between us and Hitler, yet you want to whip your followers
into more of a frenzy so you pull out the greatest boogeyman there is.
Nazi Germany and Fascism…Come on Bob. Your comment does no good for any intelligent discussion of our problems. You’re just throwing firebombs to help w/ your political/financial agenda.

Hey Al, are you sure Manuel and his crew were not involved with the underground cocaine/drug tunnels along the AZ. borders? Just wondering.

I also wanted to say directly to Bob Livingston…you should be ashamed for the comment equating the U.S. to Nazi Germany, and like I said above, you know better,even if some of these people don’t.

Hey Bob, thanks for helping people to understand the parallels between Nazi Germany and the police state that America is fast becoming. With so many policing / spy agencies monitoring us now I guess we can only be grateful that Hitler and Stalin didn’t have the same technology available to them.
We need to stop this “national socilialism” thing in its tracks, by whatever means necessary.

Denniso: You were gone for a week? Who knew? What brings you back? Couldn’t be the lure of eager converts to your way of thinking.

You think Livingston “know[s] better even if some of these [sic] people don’t.”

As one of “these people,” Denniso, here’s what I know:

Fascism (from Latin, fasces, the bundled axe symbol of Roman authority) took root in Italy in the 1920s (yes, back when I went to grade school they taught this stuff). Hitler adopted it from Mussolini. It was ardently supported by major national corporations in both countries (some argue that without such self-serving corporate support, there would have been no WWII). Other countries adopted forms of nationalistic fascism as well. Hitler’s National Socialism is not synonymous with fascism (any more than Nazim is synonymous with socialism).

Because of its roots, many knowledgeable people equate fascism with corporatism. In this sense, here in America we live under a form of fascism. Please feel free to vote against this reality all you like, it is one of the few remaining freedoms you are allowed–the freedom of self-delusion.

Forms of government, like political parties, are generally not what they say they are, but rather what their original perpetrators wanted the public to think they were. This why you see so few communes in communist countries, so little social reform in socialist countries, so little royal power wielded in monarchies. This is why the “republic for which we stand” is actually no longer a republic but rather a piss-poor version a democracy…a form of government which ultimately failed miserably when attempted by the ancient Greeks (and which is why so many of our founders were dead set against our fledgling nation going that route).

Over time, it seems, corporate greed inexorably erodes the best and the worst forms of government until they consume themselves and must reinvent from the scraps, or are gobbled up by larger, greedier corporatocracies.

Ours is well past its prime.

Maybe you didn’t read the whole article JC. “Show me the money” and The”toxic greed with a ponzi mentality”. What about Corporate Socialism and how they have deceived the American people and lied about how they got their wealth. They helped create the rising prices and inflation on drugs,healthcare,food,cars …..and you name it. That would be Corporate scamming legalized by Capitalistic Socialism. So should we destroy that by all means necessary?

As always you speak in convoluted terms in order to confuse the simplest things. Get Government out of “Business”. Get Business out of “Government”….simple enough for you there ol boy?

JC,
I don’t know, for edduhhh! it has to be pretty darn simple. Could you possibly use phonics????

JC What don’t you understand about coporate shenanigans? Do we have to deceifer it for you or is that another one of your blind spots?Joe hasn’t understood anything since the first of the year. He’s slipping fast.

Yep, Dumniso, we didn’t have to listen to your “whining and moaning and bitching” for a whole week. Not to mention your personal attacks, undeserved arrogance, and misinformation.

Deniseo,
It does not have to be identical to Nazi Germany to be fascism. Just because Bush pushed it in that direction does not give President Obama a pass. I never could understand the left viewpoint that because Bush did something wrong Obama cannot be held accountable and has every right to do it wrong also. I think you will find in November that argument did not work.

Hey eddie, thanks for another non-sensible
mud slinging contribution. At least you’re consistent.

WIA, if you’ve been in the mining business as long as I have, you know. a lot of mining inspectors I’ve known in the past were of Hispanic decent, the Welsh were excellent miners also, Spaniards, were the best. so Joe Hart has been a liar about his experience, I know him. if you can dig a tunnel under the border thats pretty good.

Average Joe, I agree that we have turned over much of our gov’t and society to corporate control…they own much of our gov’t and control most politicians w/ money needed to get elected and stay in office. The Republican party is actually the party of corporate America, much as the communist party in the Soviet Union was the State party that controlled most aspects of the country. There are a handful of Repubs,the so called moderates,who stand up to the corporations and there are many more Dems who do the same, and recognize that the real battle is between corporate control and control by the people through voting and citizen activism.

But to call the gov’t fascist and compare it to Nazi Germany and the atrocities and loss of actual freedom is ludricous. Can we become more like the Nazis in the future? Sure…keep fueling the hate,fear
and scapegoating of immigrants,gays,liberals,atheists,non believers,other religions,the poor,minorities, and watch us become more fascistic.

Thanks Al
I wasnt sure on that one because there is very little info on an inspectors.Ill be sure to put him on my list!

All goverments are parasites, some kill the host, if action is not taken against a non-symbiotic parasitic goverment.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

Nice to see a present or past marine who might just side with the people.

No such thing as a past Marine. You can take the man out of the Marines, but you cannot take the Marine out of the man.

Denniso, there are none so blind as those who WILL not see.

I finally got to listen to a good independant here in Indiana Dave, and his name is Scott Wise. He held his own very well in a debate with Republican Marlin Stutzman and Democrat Tom Hayhurst. The guy was articulate, well spoken, and he was not afraid to expose the truth about the liberals and Tom Hayhurst was bothered and couldnt handle the truth, and it was great watching it. All it seems Hayhurst could come up with was to try to group him with Stutzman, which isnt a bad thing. Of course this Hayhurst is a doctor who is about 70 years old and really should be retired, instead of thinking about STARTING a political career at 70. Gimme a break. But Mr. Wise was a breath of fresh air, as the guy did not bow down to political correctness once, and I for one appreciated his truthfulness and his acknowledgment of government problems and their lack of addressing them. My only fear now, is that Wise and Stutzman will split votes, and the undeserving Hayhurst will get into office. That would really suck.

My husband and I live in Elkhart, where do you live? Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai
Vote November 2!

Slick, the Second Amendment is America’s best health and life insurance policy, and no frickin’ insurance agent or lobbyist was needed to get it.

Don’t be freaking ridiculous. Your little guns would do you absolutely NO good if we didn’t have the right to vote and keep the country 1/2 sane and 1/2 balanced. You children really think your little play guns would stand up against any modern military w/ evil intentions directed toward the people?? Get a life.

Ummm yep, those children Afghanies stood up against the big evil Russians. Those children colonials stood up against the big evil Brits. You failed at history, didn’t you?

Hey, Denniso, the “little guns” in the hands of the various resistance movements made a big difference in WWII. They kept the Nazis in a constant state of agitation.

America…1770. maybe you heard about it Denniso?

OMG – You can’t compare us to the Afghanis or to the colonials. Knock, knock—-IT’S A DIFFERENT WORLD! Why on earth would any American put guns for killing humans into kids’ hands, never mind their own. I believe you are the anti-Americans and should move to a more repressive country to keep you under control.

Karolyn, you must be one of those myopic folks who actually believe “it couldn’t happen here”. Guess what, it is happening…right here, right now.
And you better hope that the Patriotic Americans are going to carry your weight….again. Because you emotionally based folks are going to be as much help as you ever were…which is none.

…And, Craig? You fail to mention: Those puny toy guns have, last I checked, tied up the best equipped, best funded military force history has ever known…for nine years. With no end in sight. Our tax dollars (and our children’s blood) at work, for who knows how long? Against a small segment of a nation under 20 million.

You mention Afghans against the Soviets and the American Colonies against Great Britain. Let’s not forget the Cuban revolutionaries; the Vietnamese, Algierians, and Haitians against the French; the Chinese peasants vs. the Kuo Min Tang; the Texicans against Santa Ana. And how many people realize that Florida’s Seminoles never surrendered to the US Army? We gave up.

Dennisimo sounds a lot like the naysayers just prior to the American Revolution. “You really think a rabble of farmers with squirrel rifles can even hope to square off with the mightiest, best equipped, wealthiest army in the world? They have warships, warm uniforms, unlimited supplies, cannon, and bayonets! Trained professional regulars! Plus they control the ports, the roads, the cities and major towns, the official press…they’re already an occupying force! You have…squirrel guns?”

Nah, guess not…

The problem with the US government declaring open war on its subjects is the same one they’re having in Afghanistan (same one the Zionists have with the Palestinians). Sure, they could drop bunker busters on us, hose vast areas down with DU and chemicals, strafe whole villages and napalm a bunch of forest land, poison water supplies, scorch the earth… But the moment they start that, all hell breaks loose.

Certainly you can kill a killer bee with a BB, no dispute. But the instant you fire one into the nest, it really doesn’t matter how many BBs you’ve got, or how many shooters. You’re not going to kill ten thousand bees unless you’re prepared to blow up the whole hive. Which of our genius selected officials is going to push that plunger?

How many gun owners are there in the US? How many guns? How many military willing to open fire on their family and neighbors? How many who wouldn’t simply shuck their uniforms and join the “rabble”? How many pissed off vets who haven’t forgotten their training and experience in overseas debacles dating back to Viet Nam (Korea, even–still a few 70-odd year-old vets to be seen at a rifle range, steady as ever), and as recently as Iraq?

Heck, there’s probably enough willing firepower in Watts and East LA alone to tie up an army indefinitely. Are they going to bomb Los Angeles?

TO;denniso,those little guns,have kept the would be dictators at bay all through history,and the only reason we still have freedom here in the U.S.A. is because those tiny guns are owned by free men and women in this nation,if it was otherwise,you and i wouldn,t have the right to voice what we think on this site,by the way,if you are so correct,tell it to those who fought against the enemys of freedom in every nation of this planet,those little guns made the differance always and always will.

Well,
We know one thing, Denniso. That is that we don’t want you on our side.

Violence is never the right answer to an argument. It’s not worth it. I’m a pacifist, always have been and always will be. Peace!

Oh, I don’t know about that. We were fighting against the Japanese after they took over our country and caused many casualties of their troops. This also hindered them from using their full number of their forces against China and America. koreans have always been freedom fighters and not comfort lovers. I see many of the posters from the “left” are just the opposite. Americans are freedom fighters, so why do you “lefties” want us to just sit back and do nothing? Maybe you aren’t as patriotic as you say you are? Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai
Vote November 2!

AverageJoePatriot – If they go ahead and blow up a US city or do something equally lethal, they will do what they always do. They will blame it on some ‘enemy’, and rally Americans to war.

The weasels in government are already planning this, and they have their safe, plush bunkers stocked and ready to go.

And now we hear that “chatter is high” and terrorist operatives are inside the US, planning another attack. They are telling us that the threat level is up to where it was just prior to 9/ll.

And so close to an election. Gee whiz.

Kate8, you’re more right than wrong on that…stay vigilant as always.

If Bob Livingston and some here are correct, that we are as much a fascist state as Nazi Germany was, then it would follow that all the
privately owned guns and millions of rounds of ammo haven’t prevented
our descent into Fascism. You can’t have it both ways…either all the guns in our country have kept us free, or their presence has done no good and we are as bad off as Germany was.

dunso
How about the little kids with sticks and stones that made the big bad UN troops in gaza put there weapons down and call for back up!Get a grip man and grow a set!

Denniso If the gov’t wasn’t afraid of our little guns we would already have Martial Law in this country. You are nothing but a big-mouthed know nothing.

So then you agree that we are mostly free in this country? Not a Fascist State?

No, Denniso – Sorry to say, we’re not “mostly free, still”.

You’re obviously either quite young or have gotten used to the slow inexhorable advance of the steam-roller. See, what you don’t realize is that people who are dedicated to Devilish goals work slowly and over decades to do Satan’s dirty work. They need to subvert the principles of whole cultures; like they have here. It’s seldom speed revolution like in Russia in 1917; he works transgenerationally – especially where the populace is largely Christian.
God can, with a few committed kids who know His Word and love Him, whip Satan’s derierre into a frothy, pitiful gumbo. And, He enjoys doing it. There have been pitched battles where believers never lost a life and won against overwhelming odds. The evil doers have to overturn belief of God’s evident Will in His Word. When that is taken away everything is up for grabs – no matter what the weaponry.
Everything depends on electricity. God flips that off and on in a second, snuffs fuzes, redirects bullets in flight, makes the visible invisible, turns a genius to an idiot, turns a “sure-thing” to a rout.
But, you wouldn’t be likely to consider something like that, would you? Sometimes, it just takes a few to get clear and focussed-in on what they (and He) want to make HUGE things happen.
But, who knows? The speed with which the darkness is advancing makes me wonder if this isn’t the buildng-up to Satan’s final push to try to keep what he took by deceit – before God takes back dominion over what is HIS.
Time will tell. In the meantime, we still work like crazy to nullify those who hate God, His son and the Truths He revealed. Giving in when I have everything to live for and God to glorify versus begging for “Peace – at any price,” is just too expensive.

You don’t get my point. The people who think that guns are keeping us free also turn around and say that we now live in a Fascist state,so then we’re actually not free. That’s illogical…either we’re free or not. I don’t think we’re free enough,but I don’t believe for a second that personal gun ownership does a thing for real freedom. We have more guns in society than ever and more than any other country in the world, yet we are losing personal freedoms for the past 50 yrs…what freedom did you guns preserve when Cheny/Bush started secretly spying on Americans and tapping any phone conversation they chose, all w/ any legal basis or judicial review? What do your guns do to protect the privacy rights of people in their own home to imbibe a little plant that helps their pain from cancer? Do all the guns we own help allow us to travel to a country of our choice,like Cuba? If you happen to be or look Latino,how do guns permit you to travel freely and not harassed around the country?
If you need expensive healthcare,how do all the guns help you stay out of bankruptcy if your insurance has been capped or canceled?

You, Mike, sound a little flaky about your battles between God and the make believe Devil, when the real battles are right here on the face of the earth between real people who want to help one another and those who want a world of force and violence where ‘survival of the strongest’ rules. If there were a God like you imagine who cared about us in a personal way,we would see the result by now after a million yrs of human existence…the ‘Devil’ would not continue to have any power against an all powerful God, again an Oxymoron,who loves us as his children. You’re letting myth control your once rational mind.

sc, did you just hear the yelp of a sanctimonious liberal mutt? I sure thought I did.

JeffH,
Went to a gun show yesterday in Euclid Ohio. Man were there some sweet tools there!!! They had long guns there that you could reach out and touch someone with from a NewYork mile!!! For hunting, of course!!!
There were Glocks, Smith & Wesson, High points, Colts, and anything a guy could want!!! By the time I walked out I was drooling!!! I could have dropped three grand there in a heart beat!!! They even had compound bows, crossbows, swords, nunchucks, katanas, just about every kind of knife made! I was like a kid in a candy store!!! Wish all of the good guys here could have been there!

Joe H., I know what you mean. Every now and then I’ll hit the monthly show here in Fresno…If you wanna buy some ammo you better be there at the opening bell.

Boys Boys its almost xmas time start making your list!

dan az,
Nah as usual I’ll just get the usual for Christmas – TOOLS! I,ve had contractors ask me if my wife has a sister out there!!! I buy my own guns!!!

JoeH
There all tools to me gota luv it

VOTING IS EASY WAY INTO MORE CORRUPT SHILLS WITH DIFFERENT NAMES,SECOND AMENDMENT CURES ALL.

I feel sorry for the people who think this election will change things. All the candidates sound good while campaigning.

It was in 2008, where a bunch of uneducated people who spent too much time listening to their brain sucker in their living rooms, with a guy on it chanting “change, change, change”, and little else, then took their sorry butts out and pulled the lever beside this guys name, despite not knowing who he was, what he was, what he stood for, where he was from, where he is going, and what plans or course of action he was going to take. None of that was revealed, and none of it still is revealed. The uneducated temper tantrum caused this big mess. Now though, as a result, America woke up. People arent going to repeat this mistake in 2012. Chances are, the democrats wont even allow him to run for re-election, as they know he is un-electable. And thats the facts, jack.

eddie
Like always you missed my point Its not the corporations that control us they supply the means for your meager existants.The ones that we need to go after are the puppet masters which pull all the strings.Your boy wonder is mearly their diversion so as to take control of the slaves that make there existance possible.And as for progs and libs I dont need to insult them for their stupidity they do it for me by just writing the lame lies every day here.And you are the most consistant one that I know keep up the good work. Just by you being here convinced me that all people are not of one mind.Thanks for the assist!

Oh, you must mean big money, like George Soros that owns and controls the democratic party. Yeah, I see what you mean.

Dan: What’s the big difference between Corporate corruption and the Governments? You’re too one sided and favor one “evil” over another without exploring both possibilities. Who sadly brainwashed you?

eddie
If your talking about mansanto and big pharms I have to agree with you if you look at who owns them then you would see they are one and the same but the differance is that you work and get paid for your labor with one and dont expect a raise unless you produce but with the other they are no better than the unions that take your money for producing anything of value and give them selves a raise.The more the gov. takes from you the less you have to help the economy go forward of course that is if your one of them in which case you would not pay taxes because you would just be paying your self.For every person that is employed by big brother the less people there are that pay no taxes.That dosent sound like a very productive way to fix the economy does it?

sorry that should read pay taxes.

Corporations don’t pay tax, people do. The joke is that so many dumbocrats believe otherwise. When a corporation’s tax is raised they do one of 3 things: raise the price of their products (the consumer pays the tax), or lay off workers (the worker pays the tax with the loss of his/her job), or they move out of the country (all their workers pay with the loss of their jobs).
While the Liberals are voting under the influence of their green-eyed envy, Government is robbing all of us blind.

If corporations don’t pay tax,we do,then why do almost all business and corporate interests fight to lower or eliminate taxes on themselves? It’s not as simple as DaveH wants it to appear, that it’s all the fault and theft by the gov’t.

Jeesh…”corporations don’t pay tax, people do” That is so wrong in so many ways.

Typical 7th grade simplistic mentality grasping for concepts beyond their limited capability. Such are the targets for the Party of “No’ propaganda lying machine.

Deniso and Flash, you’re thinking in reverse gear. Corporations are made of people, hence, if a corporation is taxed, it is the producing people who are paying taxes. “Corporation” is a concept, individuals are people. Why do the heads of large corporations fight taxes? In order not to be taxed, obviously; and they are big enough and rich enough to ensure they pay as little as possible (e.g. Big Oil), and they can do this in a hundred ways. Not the least of which is, of course, directly passing the taxes on to consumers.

And before any of you nit-picky semanticist/legalists point out that I’ve elsewhere said that treating a “corporate entity” as a “human entity” is a major source of our problems (a key tool in our ongoing subjugation), I want to make clear that corporate taxes are Constitutional, and individual income taxes are not. Yet since 1913, things have become reversed. A trust or corporation has many, many ways to legally avoid taxes (one year I recall Ted Kennedy paid $700, in a year when I paid more, working two jobs just to stay afloat), while the individual does not have these myriad loopholes available to him/her.

Ultimately, under our system it is always the individual producer who pays the taxes, because taxes can’t be paid by a “concept.” That producer might work for a corporation or he might not, but the “concept” doesn’t ultimately pay, we do. (But, try suing someone who is poisoning your water and you’ll find out just how quickly that “concept” gets between you and your adversary. He will don his golden corporate parachute while your children die.)

One reason corporations shouldn’t be taxed, but required to put excess earnings into dividends, is because when they pay dividends from their profits, those dividend are taxed a SECOND time as ordinary income (until Jan 2011 then it goes from 15% to 39.6%). Where is the fairness or justice in that?

I am often incredulous how little progressives actually understand business or the tax system. What part of ‘the consumer pays ALL the taxes’ don’t you grasp?

That was a rebut, a fabricated fact and a personal attack? Do you Liberals really think you influence anybody but the hopelessly ignorant?

Ive got no problem with a CEO making way more than I do. He has a lot more responsibility than me, he has taken his education level higher than I have, and chances he or her is probably smarter than I am. When things go bad, who gets fired? They do, not me. If youve got a problem with rewarding people for success, then you are part of the problem, just like Obama. He seeks to punish the sucessful and tax the living hell out of them, then reward failures like GM and Chrysler with billions of dollars, as a reward for not properly running their business. Dont blame it on the economy. Ford made it through ok, and it doing great. Honda, Toyota and Hyundai didnt need bailed out. Sucess should be rewarded. And failures should be noted, not rewarded. Get it straight.