Dvidl,
you need to READ, not listen torumor!!! Did you know that hidden in this HEALTH CARE bill there is a sub clause that requires all sales of gold to be recorded??? Now what the hell does that have to do with health care??? did you know that the clause that states kids can’t be denied coverage for pre exhisting conditions was only added as an after thought AFTER people complained it wasn’t there??? After all the bragging from Nobummer and company about it they forgot to include it??? Do you know people have had their insurance go up as much as 125% since this bill has been in effect??? Did you know Micky Ds is threatening to discontinue the coverage they supply to 25,000 employees if this bill is enforced as read??? There’s 25,000 people traded!!! There are a lot of other “minuses” in this bill as well!!!

I’m dealing in facts, you are dealing in self-serving fantasy. Gold? It’s not in there.

Pre-existing conditions was proposed from the beginning.

Are you seriously going to deny your children health care when they become very ill because their cancer has returned from a year ago? Quoting you in a hypothetical scenario, “My child died because I stood on principle. I’m not going to have my child live in a socialist country.”

The fact is, whether you like it or not, most people are moderates. So am I.

Socialism? You’re against the government (we, in our democracy)running anything? I guess we have to disband the US Military, Coast Guard, Fire Departments, Public Schools, public libraries, Veterans hospitals, public transportation. What do you want to put in their place? Please stop throwing meaningless public relations terms around, you are scaring and alienating yourself. The health care reforms put in place PRESERVES OUR PRIVATE HEATH CARE SYSTEM. Please see below and read “Healing In America” by T.R. Read.
Do you, your family, and all of us a favor.

http://www.pnhp.org/

I have friends who live in Canada. They, as well as much of the world, laughs at our health care system. They have universal coverage and absolutely prefer theirs.

Smart enough DAVIDL to tell when a left wing neo-com communist snake oil salesman is trying to push their poisioned kool-aid,as good old american style tea,guess what your buddies are getting the boot this year,the nation is fuming at this national mess that,has been caused by the bumbling educated morons (THE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE)bunch running this disaster nationwide for over 25yrs,both corrupted parties,time for change has come allright,but not what the lefties wanted,(THE NEW WORLD ORDER)THATS OUT,WITH ALL THE CRAZIES THAT PUSHED THIS AGENDA,so live with it. and by the way you left wing freaks,pushed that god has no place in government,then for sure,you folks are no friends to any nation,and if godless, are the devils hand servants and are the enemies of all freedom loving peoples in this nation,rich and poor alike,pure evil at best.

Gary,
I hear you but where are the genuine conservative candidates? The Tea Party candidates are extreme reactionaries.

Vigilant,
Where in the Constitutional does it say that a woman raped has to keep that child? Has to give the rapist visitation rights? Where in the Constitution does it say we can torture and lie the American people into war? Ask the Tea Party candidates, I’m sure they will give you an Article and Section reference. Too extreme even for this conservative heart.

P.S Notice how I didn’t personalize this and call you ignorant?

DavidL:

“Where in the Constitutional does it say that a woman raped has to keep that child? Has to give the rapist visitation rights?”

Where in the Constitution does it say any human being has the right to murder another human being? If you want to bring it down to details, the Contitution is generally the wrong place to do it. Our whole body of law in the US is based on the Declaration of Independence, in case you were IGNORANT of that fact. But I guess you would amend that document to say “we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life (except for unborn babies at the convenience of the mother), etc., etc.

Where in the Constitution does it say that the Supreme Court can interpret that document using International protocols and agreements? Or that the Executive Branch has the right to only selectively apply federal laws of its choosing (read: immigration and voter’s rights)? Or that the 10th Amendment is null and void?

Don’t get started on this path, sir, I will run circles around you on it.

P.S Notice how I personalized this and called you ignorant,

Vigilant
Thanks I was going to say something but you just covered it and then some.Thanks

but you made up for it and called him “sir”!!!!

A. I didn’t see an answer to my original question. What in the Constitution obligates a women to carry to term the child of a rapist?

B. In the Constitution the word “privacy” is never used. To your way of thinking, does that mean privacy does not exist?

C. American citizens can kill in war and in self-defense.

D. Article VI (the Supremacy Clause) explicitly binds our legal system to our ratified international agreements because, under Article VI, THEY ARE FEDERAL LAW AND PART OF THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND.

E. I could use a good running around in circles. Have at it.

p.s. Once again, I didn’t resort to insult and intimidation to attempt to strengthen an argument. You did.

DavidL, The Tea Party members are as extreme and radical as people like Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock, Ben Franklin, and Sam Adams. Not bad company to be in. In 1776 you would have been right in there supporting King George the 3rd.

Are you seriously equating Palin, Angle, O’Donnell, Miller, Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, Fox, Koch brothers, Rove, Dick Army, Levin with our Founding Fathers?

DavidL, The Tea Party ideas are closer to what the Constitution is about, than what is going on in the current administration. I was just pointing out that the Founding Fathers were considered “extreme and radical” in their time too. Maybe they’re not as “extreme and radical” as you accuse them of being. What do you find “extreme and radical” about them, the part of a smaller, less intrusive government, the less taxes, the balanced budget or that they’re pointing out a lot of unconstitutional things that are going on now?

vigilant
Thats the scary part they actually believe what they say!The good thing is they are a minority so come Nov. they can crawl back into the hole that they came from!

jamie —-

OK. This is getting a little hard to take.

Did you complete the 6th Grade? (just asking)

I got relief from overtaxation from President Bush. I am not in the 1% you talk about.

However, I am in the group that PRODUCE. R U in the group that TAKES?

Just let us all know …..

Kilt1 i did make it past the 6 grade and somehow ended up in middle management. I’ve had the same job for the last 16 years. When my tax cut came about it was for $4 a week. Thats $208 a year. My healthcare cost for the same period went up 300%. My gas to get to work went up 250%. Now i’ll ask you the same question? Did you finish the 6th grade?? If so why are you such a blind fool?? You should be able to think for yourself by now. I PRODUCE and proudly pay my taxes to the greatest country ever. If you don’t like paying your fair share pack your bags and leave.

If you don’t want the $208, send it my way!

Jamie
Where did the money Go?A trillion dollars was supposed to start the economy,Did it?
Think about this if every legal person in the nation recieved equal share of a trillion dollars that would amount to 500,000 each and if they where taxed at 50% on that money would mean that the government would have only spent 500 billion and if everyone that had 250,000 would that not stimulate the economy? So I ask again where is the money that we all have to pay back?

Jamie… Debt was way out of control before Barry got elected. Why would we want to spend even more money? To be different and save our country, stopping the spending would have been wiser, right? How can you defend this administration when they are doing what the previous administration had done, but only on steroids? Your argument has no merit.

Thank you Robbin. Too bad you used a thing called “logic,” which will be lost on the majority of programmed lefties. I don’t think they’d even spend time looking it up in the dictionary.

yeah he fixed it alright jamie by raising the national debt 3 times what that POS Bush had already……just sayin

Doc Sarvis–Good point.

Stupid diversionary tactic: s.c. never said that.

Vigilant–NO, sc did not say this. But it is still a good point. How are we going to keep paying for our military and this unnecessary war?

Doc
Really stop paying the military come on you of all people can do better than that.
the military now pays taxes and their own insurance yes I found that hard to believe also, but its true.We are not the police of the world and we the tax payers including our military dont need to support the entire world! We have bases in just about every country Why? Our troops are even paying for the bullets if you count their taxes they also pay for their own clothing so How is it that you can even make a statement like that?
Bigger government is not the solution any 3rd grader could figure that one out.So what are you?

Doc Sarvis —

WOW. Really???

Geebuss, dude, you wanna have it here like Cuba? Like France? Like Amsterdam?

Please, leave this country, the way we want to live here just isn’t your “cup ‘o tea.”

Kilt1 your the one complaining…why don’t you leave if you hate it so bad??

It was our country first and we are taking it back. The problem with liberals is that they don’t have a clue what it’s like to live with out freedom. You think freedom is being able to walk out your front door, but them telling you what kind of car you can drive, what food you can eat, what your kids get taught in school, what appliances you can have, what medicine you can have, and the list goes on and on and you think you have freedom. You mindless morons they are stealing your freedom from you and all you can do is argue there talking points. Move to some other socialist country where the government can hold your hand and walk you down the street so you don’t trip and fall, but you had better hurry because they have figured out it doesn’t work. Cowards is what you are, wanting someone else to take responsibility for your actions because you don’t have the courage to accept responsibility for your own actions. I’m sure most of you would not get out of bed in the morning if you had to face the world that our founders had to face. Someone holding your hand telling you every move to make so that you stay safe. What a bunch of wimps. This country used to have real men. What do we have now; a bunch of limp wrist cowards trying to get in touch with your feminine side. Any of you that thinks he can give up some freedom for safety is a fool. Power is a beast the more you feed it the more it grows and it does not give its power back, it has to be taken back. That’s what we’re doing and if you had any balls what so ever you’d be helping us by kicking the federal government’s butt all the way back to washing where it belongs and with a little luck we will save this country from the cowards that want to be ruled over and the power hungry that want to run it. You have no idea what real fredom is and your to stupid to read real history and find out.

What exactly, from my post, do you dispute?

My question is for kilt1iron.

Doc — To clear up your confusion regarding Number 3: A Black man can call me “Honky,” or a Latino can call me “Gringo” but a White man is forbidden to use either term commonly used to describe the other two.

That is simply not true. Racial slurs are used all the time by all sorts of folks without penalty.

B.S! Don Imus, Jimmie the Greek, Trent Lott and others were publically excoriated for their transgressions, but we hear nothing from the lamestream media when the Black Panthers say that killing white babies is OK, when the NAACP makes overtly racist statements, or POTUS gratuitously inserts himself into a local police matter (Canbridge, MA) and shows his racial bias. Take a job at DOJ and then tell me there’s no bias against white victims of voter intimidation.

“Doc”

When are you going to have the courage to answer my question: upon what basis do you use the term “Doc?”

He’s a Dr. of truth and you should be able to tell that!! He doctors up the truth all the time!!!

It is just not that simple. For example:
1 “The government also subsudizes the oil companies among others so stating a profit for oil companies of 4% is misleading.” How come no comment on the govt tax on gas? Govt also subsidized ACORN, NEA, labor unions and other leftist organizations so they could steal the vote.
2 “If you spend money on a Dummer (I mean Hummer) vs. government paying to put good teachers in schools that is probably a better use of the $” Doesn’t matter whether it’s a better use or not; in the country we’re supposed to let the majority decide how to spend $$$. Moreover, if you think the govt pays to put good teachers in school, you’ve overdosed on kool-aid. Dept. of Education is (1) a mega lobbying front for the teachers’ unions and not much else, and (2) the Feds, according to the 10th Amendment, have no business whatsoever in education.
3 “Not sure what is being referred to by #3” It’s called “political correctness,” another way to introduce thought control and abridge the First Amendment to he Constitution.
4 “You gotta admit that some people ARE too irresponsible to own a gun.” And EVERY conservative admits this. Where do you get your “facts?” Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow?
5 “Meterology and climatology are very different sciences. Just because I have not swerved off the road does not mean my tires are not bald (if you get the analogy).” And the science of global warming/climate change/climate disruption has been hijacked by political operatives like Al Gore to line their pockets.
6 “I am concerned about abortion and that is why we need better sex education in schools (ask Bristol Palin). It is also wrong to limit the options of a woman when a man can just walk away (and they do in most abortion cases). As for death row it is cheaper to maintain a life sentence than to go through all the appeals and other expenses of and execution. And that assumes that the conviction was accurate which is not always the case (see DNA evidence and biases juries)” We were endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, such as LIFE. I’d say you’re limiting the options of the unborn baby to a greater extent than the mother. And when you couch the argument for life/death in term of expense, we see hoe truly compassionate you are for life in general.
7 “If American employers did not hire them they would not come.” Once again, no conservative denies this, so what’s your point?
8 “Not happening and never has.” Corporate tax on US business is the HIGHEST of any industrialized nation. Get your facts straight before you make such ridiculous statements.
9 “Not sure what case is being referred to hear. The Supreme Court is loaded with conservatives who are giving away our elections to the corporations.” What a load of horsepuckey! When you have idiots like Bader Ginsburg who believe it’s right to interpret US Constitutional law by referring to INTERNATIONAL conventions and protocols, when the court takes away an individual citizen’s right to own property just to satisfy a developer’s dream, when we allow Obama to appoint poltical operatives to the SCOTUS and install a justice who believes in racial discrimination, etc., etc., etc., you can’t feasibly make such a boneheaded statement.
10 “We are drilling for our own oil but we have far less of it than other countries plus we use far more of it than other countries (we need to move to alernatives).” I guess you don’t watch the news: we’ve got more oil than Saudi Arabia!
11 “We have good change including getting combat forces out of Iraq (ahead of schedule), no pre-existing conditions on health insurance for children (and others?), better access to the ballot box to our soldiers, etc.” Once again, read the news: 50K troops left in Iraq. And how come no mention of Afghanistan? Truth is embarrassing, isn’t it? Instead of trumpeting a few things that pale into insignificance when compared with the “change” which destroys out constitutional system and mortgages the future away, how about some giving us something important? (You can’t)
12 “Couldn’t be typing if that were the case.” Even trained apes can learn how to type.

I say it again: When are you going to have the courage to answer my question: upon what basis do you use the term “Doc?”

#4: “You gotta admit that some people ARE too irresponsible to own a gun.”

A. This is true of cars, but we don’t try to outlaw them.

B. This is even true of gasoline, but we don’t try to outlaw it.

C. We already have laws against the misuse of all the above by irresponsible people. And against the misuse of knives, chainsaws, electricity, bows and arrows, firecrackers, common household poisons, and baseball bats. (And yes, children have accidents with all the above, as well. And yes, homicidal maniacs have killed hundreds of thousands of people using all the above. The notable difference being that, with the exception of knives and baseball bats, most of these and other everyday items–which we don’t like in the hands of irresponsible people–just happen to make good self defense weapons against irresponsible people and homicidal maniacs.)

D. So, what’s your point?

(That last was directed at the good “Doctor,” of course, whom I was quoting. Not you, Vigilant.)

doc
10 We are drilling for our own oil but we have far less of it than other countries plus we use far more of it than other countries (we need to move to alernatives)
where did you come up with that one its not true!show your facts!we have some of the largest reserves in the world.Fact the one in the gulf is many life times it stretches from kentucky to venesuala and the one that are in south dakota to colorado is an other if you go back a couple of days ago it was listed and the amounts are there to.
5 Meterology and climatology are very different sciences. Just because I have not swerved off the road does not mean my tires are not bald (if you get the analogy).
how many scientist does it take to disprove the lies that chicken little would have you belive hes right and all 4000 of you are wrong!

10. America is sitting on top of a super massive 200 billion barrel Oil Field that could potentially make America Energy Independent.

Earl
Good one!

jamie —

Really?

What about Senator Jim DeMint?

What about Jim Demint?? I’m from SC and know him well. He ran on term limits. Yet he’s still in office. I don’t see him listening to his own advise. So why are you listening to him? I’d love to see a true TEA party not just angre REPUBS calling themself another name.

At this point in time, I am going to try and vote for the best candidate possible. The one I believe will be honest and forthright. However, having said that, where is an honest and forthright candidate? They change the minute they set foot in Congress/the White House. In reality, I am not very impressed with what is out there. What are their plans and what is their agenda if they do get elected? All I hear from the candidiates is bashing the other guy and who can come up with the most filth on their oppponent. I want to hear facts, I want to hear what they are going to DO if elected. Not garbage spewing. Besides, The good ones can’t afford to run. It has become a money game.

Claire, et al: Even if they could afford to run, if they have the slightest degree of sense, would they? Would you? Would you willingly jump into a rockfight and then stand up for what you believe in? For what earthly reason would any honest man or woman subject themselves and their family to such a thankless experience?

It is almost as though the decision to enter state or national politics should be treated as a pre-qualifying test:

“Why do you want to run for office?”

“Because I feel I can make a difference.”

“No, really.”

“Really, I believe the people deserve an honest shot at governing themselves. They might make a hash of it, but they certainly can’t screw themselves much worse than they already are now.”

“Uh, huh. Well, thanks for showing up, but you’re obviously either a fool or a liar. Which disqualifies you even if we didn’t already have a full quota of both. Next!”

Unless you’re starting a whole new party, dedicated to restoring adherence to the basic principles our founders outlined for a free society. And again, good luck with that…Ron Paul tried fixing the system from without and from within and has utterly failed to make a dent. He wasn’t even trying to come up with new ideas, simply held to the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and pedantically restated the obvious at every turn: Extricate our nation from foreign entanglements, take back our money system, dismantle unneeded and out-of-control federal agencies, services, and departments. Follow the founder’s playbook. Cleary a radical fringe lunatic.

The guy is so spic ‘n’ span they couldn’t even come up with any real dirt on him, so they just treated him like dirt. I supported him. My only beef with Paul was that he treated the campaign like a genteel debating contest rather than the no-holds-barred rockfight it actually was. What he could have used was a campaign manager who was like a cross between Patrick Henry and Dirty Harry.

Campaign and vote all you want, people, but you gotta ask yourself one question: How many good apples does it take to fix a barrel of rotten ones? (The American colonies finally figured out it’s a trick question. Ultimately the only barrels their oppressors understood were the same ones these same oppressors were pointing at them.)

Average Joe Patriot–I read your post twice, and you make good sense. If I had ever decided to run for an office, I would hold to my beliefs and I would fight for what I believed was correct. I would stick to my guns in working for the American people. Nothing would make me do otherwise. I would remain honest throughout–I believe in honesty and truthtelling, not dishonesty and lies. I am a firm believer in the truth, maybe I go overboard but this is the way I am. “They” would probably do away with me like they did JFK. The problem I would have with myself is that I would be totally devastated if I did not do right (no pun intended) by my fellow Americans and America. If I did a rotten job, I would be just as hard on myself as the people would be. I could not be in politics for “myself.”
In politics, there are certainly more bad apples than good. It will take many, many decent and honest people to turn things around in this government of ours.

Again, Claire, I share your view. I am going to look at each candidate and his or her record and policy positions.

Phrased another way… Gridlock is a good thing. When DC (?Department of Crooks?) is involved, NOTHING IS better than ANYTHING they come up with, because EVERYTHING (not Constitutionaly granted) they’ve ever “fixed” (sic) multiplies the problem AND the price-tag after their expert interference.

Gridlock is, of course, not a good thing, but it may be preferable to the railroading of legislation without perusal, and the cavalier, almost studied refusal, to listen to the will of the majority.

It is indeed sad that consensus no longer seems to be a viable option, but the left and right have drawn so far apart as to make that almost impossible these days.

PRECISELY!! Think about how many times a nearly sobbing pol has come before a TV camera pleading “Congress MUST do something (doesn’t matter that it’s not correct, effective, affordable, just, or Constitutional… just as long as it’s something)”!!

Alpha L
If my memory is correct that the tie breaker would go to biden not a good thing!

Vigilant We have to start someplace. Both parties are controlled by the same masters. It’ll take time but Rome wasn’t built in a day. People want change and then they vote for the same recycled people.

S C, as usual, you are soooo right! The stakes are indeed too high. With the current bad economy and ObummerCare, this country is about ready to fall off the cliff. The ONLY way to keep it from going completely over the edge, is to get as many Democrats OUT as we possibly can in November. What I fear the most, is that in many of the close races, the Democrats will win, due to conservatives who won’t vote in those races, because they don’t like either candidate. These people fail to see the importance of stopping the damage that the Democrats have already done. It’s very sad.

I bet you forgot that it was a Dem controlled house during those years, Huh? Go back and get some facts before you completely convince everyone you are an ignoramous.

WOW ingnoranmus and clueless. Sounds like you two need to look in the mirror. Yes it was a DEM congress with the CEO administation. It wasn’t a DEM congress or senate when the REBS voted to raise the debt ceiling in 2004 and 2006. Why is it OK for REBS to raise the national debt but not the DEM? If the REPUBS hadn’t run us into the ground to help the only group that didn’t need help we’d be fine now. Where is the jobs the REPUBS promised if we did the tax cuts? No JOBS in Bushes presidency. Can’t blame that on the DEMS. They wasn’t calling the shots at any point until 2007 and if Bush didn’t agree with the bill why did he sign them. You people are blind FOOLS if you think your party hasd nothing to do with this recession. My facts are correct and i stand by them…all of them…maybe you should pay more attention to whats going on and stop listening to a drug addict, Rush Limbo, and FOX opinion news.

Jamie: You are a typical Democrat all right. Dumber then a Box of Rocks, but still run off at the mouth. Crawl back under the rock you came out from under.

Perhaps I’m an ignoramus too, or maybe it’s just age-related, but in over forty years I haven’t seen a lot of difference in the direction the country is headed no matter who APPEARS to control what. What we get is consistently not what the American people say they need or want. What we get is a dramatic puppet show dressed up in Red and Blue, apparently designed for the express purpose of keeping he-said she-said dialogues and diatribes like this one going on while Rome burns.

Going back to my early adulthood, I recall wondering why a police action ostensibly started by the Dems could not be halted, despite massive protest at all levels among the American people. Our kids were dying in jungles for incomprehensible reasons and, whatever lies we were told about dominoes and a Red Peril from Southeast Asia, we knew something was rotten about this illegal, undeclared war and we said so quite loudly. So then the Republicans got into “power”…and the military industrial juggernaut just kept plunging along, dooming more thousands of our nation’s youth while more of our hard-earned tax dollars went up in blood and smoke. Why couldn’t either party stop it?

Because the illusion that our two-party system actually runs anything is simply bogus. Both parties had their marching orders, and they certainly weren’t coming from Joe Average American.

Call me simplistic, or call me simple-minded, but it appears to me the exact same thing is going on in Afghanistan (and we can even see parallels between Laos/Cambodia then, and Pakistan now) and it is still going on in Iraq, whatever announcements ObamaYoMama may have made. And it is the same for the same reason.

You want change we can take to the bank? Overthrow this international banker-controlled two-party system. (And good luck with that.)

WOW,direct hit,do you mean the european banksters,and the biggest bankster that runs them all (THE ROTHCHILDS BANKING CABAL)oh,well if things go the way its going they will own all the gold,for the worthless paper they print,money,and they collect interest on it,many times over,in endless charges,and with those ill gotten gains,have corrupted every nation that borrows money from them,garbage money worthless script.and your right again,the tea party is the american peoples answer to both of the self serving bunch in power,the dumocrats and the rinos that sat on the fence and did nothing,and dad is home,and a lot the varmints that caused this mess are going to be unemployed.with no one trusting these traitors.i say vote all the bums out of office quick.the republic is dying and as far as voter polls,they cant be trusted.WHY? because if they were right,not one tea party canidate would have won one single race ever,the liars doing this polling,are trying to destroy the tea party for they are wetting their underware,that finally,the american conservatives (TEA PARTY)is saying we are taking back our rights and our government,GOD WILLING THIS YEAR.MAY GOD LOOK KINDLY UPON THIS GREAT REPUBLIC ALWAYS.

Thanks for getting it, Vaksal. Yes, of course, I mean the European Rothschild money cabal/cartel.

Who was Warburg an agent of in 1913?

Who is a major controller in the Federal Goldman Reserve Sachs Bank today?

Certainly not your corner American Main Street 5 Cent Savings Bank.

I suspect that the REAL war brewing right now (not to belittle the current banker financed horrors we are shown an airbrushed version of in the MSM) is a financial one, and it is between Euro-American Banksters, and Asia Rising. The Chinese, as Napoleon noted, were a sleeping giant–meaning she was backward, medieval, and insular. But not stupid, which is what he meant when he said: “Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world.” Not if. When.

We spent so much time and capital worrying about the Russian Bear after WWII, we forgot to pay attention to the scariest monster in the cave; our squabbling disturbed her hibernation.

Bonaparte (who certainly had his own issues with the Rothschild clan, as they were financing ALL sides in the Napoleonic Wars) is also famous for observing that, on the world stage: “Europe is a molehill.”

If he was right in his apparently prophetic observations, we may be about to see what happens to molehills when a volcano erupts. Walk into any small- to medium-sized American town Walmart or Costco and look around you. Then walk back out, and again look around you. Do you see a healthy American town? Or the vestiges of a once vibrant middle America, gutted by political greed and short-sightedness? (The nearest town to where I live is just such a hollowed-out shell, once-thriving family businesses shut down, most of the youth gone, with Mom & Pop working as greeters and shelf stockers for minimum wage.)

This is what I mean when I say that, no matter who appears to be in control, American voters consistently fail to get what they need and demand no matter which party they support. If bad regulations, treaties, and trade agreements are put into play by either party, when the other party takes over they are kept in play, at least long enough to come up with something worse. America’s loss of independence is like a one-way ratchet–we can never seem to turn back a click.

Don’t blame China. She’s just following in the imperialist footsteps of first, Europe, then the USA beginning in earnest in Teddy Roosevelt’s day. It’s now China’s turn, and we (our banksters and politicians) seem to be blindly giving her the world on a platter. Forget the Project for a New American Century, PNAC now seemingly stands for Project for a New Asian Century. If you doubt this, just consider: Who’s deeply in debt to whom?

Even if, by some stretch of chess strategy logic, the Euro/American PTB have a game-winning plan they’re not telling us about, we still shouldn’t get our hopes up. We know what ALWAYS happens to pawns, whichever side ultimately wins.

Don’t forget to vote, folks, but keep your bowstrings dry, they may soon be all we have left.

jamie —

You are a clueless fool. Please refrain from spreading your errors. Me thinks you are in the croed that “knows so much that isn’t true.”

Talk about short memories!! Yes, we know the economy went down in 2007 and 2008. We also know that that was after the democraps took back CONgress. Likewise, prior to the 2006 election, we remember how much stronger the economy was, and how much lower the unemployment rate was. That was when the democraps were out of power. We also know that while the democraps blame the GOP for the banking crisis, it was the democraps who forced banks to make risky loans to deadbeat home buyers.

Amen to that!!!

I see you like other liberals conveniently forget that both houses were controlled by Democrats those years.

DavidL– Of course they will, whether thay had anything to do with it or not. Same with the Dems. It is a vicious circle, around and around they go, where they stop, nobody knows.

Good grief– “they”

I hear you.