45
are you sure jopa is a he?

Come to think of it, jopa did say something about being a she instead. Oh, well, assume “he” is a neutral sex.

his point? The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.

Hmm? well I guess this might be okay ~ if these “revenues” they have made might circle back into the American economy in a meaningful manner.

It’s appear you history leaves that part out !

Yes, liberals love to hate the rich. But I bet none of them would turn down a nice inheritance that made them rich. Would they still bash the rich? Sure. The majority of millionaires in Congress are Dems.

Hate ~ is not the proper description.

That we might voice apprehensive of intent ~ does not constitute “hate”

Let’s face it ! The wealthy are out numbered and “must be” devious to affect they will. Is this not so?

And, to protect themselves from the taxes they levy on us, they hide their money overseas.

I would enjoy such a problem as where to hide my money.

That depends upon whose money they as spending.

excellent reply ~ I think we all know who’s money it is however.

Unions help only themselves not their members whom they are supposed to help. I’m a union member–SEIU. Have you heard of them?? Yeah, I’ll be you have. When we first had them forced on us, we were promised our union dues would be lower and we’d get better benefits. Well, just the opposite happened. We never hear from them. We just pay our dues and get no benefits. We have no input on contract negotiations and we have no meetings. When co-workers have had job related problems, they get nowhere. SEIU’s policy seems to be “Don’t call us, we’ll call you.” Oh, I didn’t exactly tell the truth. I have heard from SEIU. I got a call from them a couple fof weeks ago wanting me to participate in a–I guess, nationwide–conference call. What was it for? Why to push for the Obama agenda, of course. It was supposed help us if we helped him get his agenda through and make us more powerful. Yeah, right!

I used to be for unions..but I’ve become disheartened by them..all my union seems to do is raise our dues and does nothing in return for us.What a racket they have..they’ve become a bad joke.

john says:
September 28, 2010 at 11:47 am
I used to be for unions..but I’ve become disheartened by them..all my union seems to do is raise our dues and does nothing in return for us.What a racket they have..they’ve become a bad joke.
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john.

I have known many swearing by what the unions were supposedly doing for the workers only to find out just what you just said,,,,,
unfortunatly too many remain under the unions thumbs with no intent to contradict any of their unions shady practices…they don’t even realize that when unions call for a strike the bums at the bottom of the totem pole get the minimum unemployemnt checks while the leaders of the unions get full pay….How dumb can one get to accept this type of practice…….

John:

“I used to be for unions..but I’ve become disheartened by them..all my union seems to do is raise our dues and does nothing in return for us.What a racket they have..they’ve become a bad joke.”

Much worse than a joke. They are dangerous entities that are undermining the basic principles of this country. Intimidation, card check, bankrupting states and municipalities, and worst of all, supporting political candidates (invariably democrats) with dues taken from conservatives and Republicans.

john:

At one time my mother was strongly union. When I graduated from college and was looking for work, she wanted me to get a job where she worked since it was union.

I pointed out how much she gave the union each month and multiplied by the number of people working there. $35,000 a month to her union. Then I started asking about the union’s expenses. It finally came down to three people who went to Los Vegas each three years to “negotiate a new contract.” They then spent three months there at union expense before signing the new contract at midnight before the workers were supposed to strike.

She thought it over – and quit the union. Luckily it was a Right-to-Work state.

45
I was in the union once for about 10yrs and was vetted when I checked on my retirement they just told me that it was lost during an investment with a casino.So I naturally ask them how long did it take to lose my money at the slots.No reply.

dan az:

Unions and retirement funds are just like Congress and SS. They just can’t stand to see all that money piling up and not do something they like with it.

nor was it the average family back then!

And I saw a study some years ago that said if you took ALL the $$$ in the USA and redistributed it evenly to every man, woman and child, within two years the financial distribution would be essentially the same as before the redistribution. The poor would be poor again and the rich would become rich again.

Reason? The dumb and indolent would do as they do now: waste the $$$ on lottery tickets, scams, and bling-bling, while the entrepreneurs (people who actually work for a living) would once again clean up.

The socialist/communist manure spread by the left fertilizes nothing but discontent, appeals to the basest in human nature (greed, avarice, sloth), and hopes that the sheep haven’t read history since it shows that forced redistribution of wealth NEVER works.

Why do you think politicians always tell us to “look to the future”? They don’t want you to look at the fact that they have done it before and it didn’t work then either.

45
now thats food for thought

Sad but true.

It’s the wealthy who give people jobs. If I’m lucky, I’ll make around $25,000 this year, that’s not even middle income. But it’s a job and the company I work for is not owned by a poor person. It’s the wealthy who provide jobs. If you hate the wealthy so much, the next time you need a job ask a poor person to hire you and see how far you get.

I dunno…seems when i go into meetings, if someone says ‘no’ … they usually have an alternative to consider. Unless they want to just be obstructionist without offering anything of value…then they’re usually gone as a waste of space.

So…what alternative has the GOP offered up to anything they’ve opposed? Not even on the airwaves have they offered anything…except lies…

I hate to agree with an idiot like Flashman but he’s right. The Republicans have been saying no to everything the Democrats do, and I’m fine with that, but, like Flashman says, they don’t come up with alternative plans. They say they have them but they don’t say what they are. If they are going to say no they should say it louder and then tell us what their alternative plans are. Not that the Democrats will listen or even care, but at least they can show they actually have a plan. It’s why I am so skeptical about any real change happening if the Republicans gain the majority. I suspect “business as usual” will continue.

Correct! the GOP is saying “NO!” even to their own proposals if the DNC agrees and offers to use them.

Anthony says:
September 28, 2010 at 10:31 am
Come on, Timmy …. 6 years versus over 40 years straight , by the DEMS.. is apples and oranges. In 1.5 terms of Office (POTUS) you do not overturn what was built in 40+ years by the other Party.

Yet – when you actually go investigate on your own – you find that no matter how tragic the corruption from the Republican Party… it’s 10-20 times worse in the DEM party.. and there is no excusing any Voter for supporting such crap-ola. At least a SMART voter woudl prefer the LESSER of the two evils… NOT the greater.

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Anthony…You’re right on all counts………
40 years of democrat control has brought disaster to this country and the 6 years of control by the republicans didn’t do enough to reverse the pervert Democrat agenda but yet they only had 6 years to undo the damage caused by the left…
As for voting for the lesser of two evils, you’re right we have and had corruption within our government for decades but the democrats OWN the patent on this subject.

For many years there was a change in government every couple of elections. The FIRST thing the party in power would do would be to throw out all the bad things the other party had voted in.

I expected the GOP to do that right after they got into power this last time. But 40 years of Dem pork against nearly zero GOP pork got to them. The GOP instead passed a huge pork bill that included all the stuff that the Dems had been shooting down to try to catch up. Then they spent the rest of the time trying to control the damage.

What we NEED is a new majority that will get rid of all the bad stuff instead of ignoring it to vote in more bad stuff.

Mick The Reps compromised their moral values. Har har hardsy har har

Yes and the unions need to go the same as the DEM if we ever want to get out of this finacial mess and have manufacturing back in the Good Ole USA. The Unions are nothing but a damn boat anchor.

I always pictured them as a train engine trying to go the opposite direction than the train.

when and where has recent union activity affected national events in a negative fashion? Unless you are thinking of the 1st chair position and the general election. I personally know of none in my area, maybe it’s different where you live.

So special interest is okay unless it’s organized labor? and then it not okay?

I never enjoyed unions much myself ~ I couldn’t move up regardless for all the old farts standing in the way. ~ So I out produced them and screwed up both labor and management little play house. ~ They sent in people with stop watches and white lab coats to observe and I’d back off and leave they confused.

But I was young and foolish then. Having no interest in getting along and full of myself.

Unions have a place and a purpose and like anything else, subject to abuse and limitation.

I think you are right 45caliber. Instead of voting for the betterment of the country, they are only voting to get reelected back to their seats of doing nothing…like reading the health care bill. What a bummer. Nancy Pelosi, the wicked witch of the West says, we will find out what in the bill when it is passed. What a dumb stupid statement for the Speaker of the House to say. Voting for these idiots, Pelosi, Reid and Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and a lot of other Democrats is being senile.

The senile voting for the senile.

A 3rd Party is an impossible choice; the conservative/TEA Party movement needs to take over the Republican Party. This Pledge is a start, whoever does not stand by this pledge needs to be systematically removed! I believe the establishment is very nervous, the TEA Party is not another political party it is an idea, similar to the principles that have made this country great! Stay the course this is only the beginning, this not be finished in our lifetimes, but let the work begin!

Patriot:

I agree with you. And BOTH parties are worried about it.

Excellant post. We are beginning to see the end of politics as usual It will take somr time to be really effective but the politicians will start to listen to the people or they will go home.

don’t react so quickly Jo Jo !

I’m not exactly voting 3rd party in the November election but I won’t be voting for either the Democrat or Republican candidates for Senate here in Washington State. Look at the choices I have. The Democrat, Patty Murray, was rated the most stupid member of the Senate and has marched in lockstep with Obama every step of the way. Then, the Republican, Dino (I’m not a politician I’m a businessman) Rossi refuses to sign the “Sanctity of Life Pledge” though he claims to be a Catholic who opposes abortion; won’t sign the pledge not to raise taxes or the pledge to cut wasteful spending. Why? He says he will not let ANYONE tell him what to do and I interpret that as meaning US, the people whom he works for. He will be just another politician who ignores the will of the people. I think he won’t sign those pledges because he knows he won’t keep them and it will be used against him when he runs for re-election. Also, it will give him an excuse to vote with the left. I’ll be voting for Clark Didier the Republican who lost the primary election who happens to be the candidate supported by the TEA Party. He won’t win but I won’t waste my vote by voting for someone whom I do not believe in.

“The Democrat, Patty Murray, was rated the most stupid member of the Senate and has marched in lockstep with Obama every step of the way.”

since I don’t know who voted her the most “stupid” and she supports rank & file ~as you offer us , she is the best choice of the three.

Does rank & file support offend you? For if it does ~ you don’t have a candidate to consider Harold.

You’re partly right. The Democrats always complain that the Republicans refuse to compromise. Well, their definition of compromise is either do things our way or shut the f*** up.

so are you attempting to tell us ~ the GOP hasn’t taken advantage of their numbers over the course of the last 30 years?

Is that what you are telling us?

I don’t agree ~ as many aspects of the HCR bill were originally brought forward from the GOP camp itself, willing to claim it until it went out of “Vogue”

Just more GOP flip flopping. ~ Much like McCain’s recent statements stating he never considered himself a “Maverick” ~~ ??????? dua?

For a party that claims to be founded in strong idealism and conviction, they seem most willing to drop them in a heart beat for political expedience, willing to abandon them for “the new flavor of the day”.

~ I’m certain not all GOP politicians are that way ~ but I haven’t seen or heard of one lately.

Sad but true. You are right.

…have to agree with ya Doc…

Agreeing with Doc??!!?? Is this one of the signs of the Apocolypse??!!??

Yes, my plan has been put into motion.

Then logically you should be a fan of the tea party.

Well…you did peg the bit about the hicks in the south correctly.

You should get to know some of them. Most have more common sence than all of those in Washington put together. And if the sh*t hits the fan, I would MUCH prefer a red-neck at my back than a dozen libs.

TO:45caliber,what “think” doesnt get is that thinking that gun rights arent important is like saying the 2nd admendment of the UNITED SATES CONSTITUTION has no importance,i far as history shows that men and women that surrender their rights to defend themselfs from those who would steal their libertys as in the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS,are nothing but disarmed slaves,to be abused by those who think they are the law,by the way without guns how can the lawless thugs,that have more rights and public defenders than the hair on top of the head of a gorilla,while we are expected to disarm,to make it so this nation can be destroyed by the lawless cabal in government,i vote to keep my right to bear arms,and say to those who dont,who will save you,when you cant save yourself,maybe your second finger,point and say bang,i am sure that the person that victimizing you will get more protection under the law then your lifeless body,i rest my case,p.s. look at conn,where a doctors family was butchered by two scumbags,45 caliber keep up the good work,a friend in liberty,vaksal.

Good thing the vast majority don’t want ‘your’ country … where does one send the flowers?

Right on the nose, Thanks

up the hill

POT calling the KETTLE …black?

No need to further lambast this boil….

The ‘Pledge’ is pathetic and an illusion, as described by Erick Erickson of Redstate.com. So it’s not only Dems who see it as the joke it is.

This meaningless mantra of ‘smaller gov’t’ that is everywhere in the jargon of the so called ‘conservatives’ and tea party people is also a joke. Smaller? Smaller than what? Smaller than Bush’s gov’t that doubled the debt in 8 yrs? Smaller than the gov’t of Haiti? The ‘pledge’ makes no mention of actual gov’t spending it would cut, and so is hollow. It and most here also ignore that we have the lowest fed taxes in memory, and that’s partly why we are running deficits every year, even befor the crash.

The ‘Pledge’ should read, “protect the wealthiest among us, protect corporations from gov’t regulations, increase the gap between the rich and middle class and poor,and never fail to go to war at the drop of a hat.”

So? Obama’s promises are pathetic and an illusion too. Again, so?

Obama would be getting much more done if it weren’t for the Repugs and the party of “NO”.

Rob

When 9/11 happened under a Republican prez and congress, the Dems rallied around the flag, so to speak. The great recession has negative impact on more people, the whole country,except for the rich, and the Repubs do all they can to throw wrenches into the various plans to save and restart the economy. If there was a rallying around the economic problem, it might very well be fixed by now.

The Repubs decided even before Obama was in office that their best chance to regain power was to block and obstruct him even if it means
wrecking the economy and country. Self serving hypocrites…don’t reward them for their destructive ways.

maybe Bush did double the debt in 8 years, Obummer tripled it in 6 months

Denniso

You dems have had the majority since Obama took office so what is your problem? The majority rules! Remember ?

Kirby, no, Obama hasn’t trippled the national debt…you’re confused.
The yearly deficit has gone up to about 1.5 trillion,from about .5 trillion under Bush. The total debt has increased by about 1/3rd in the past 2 yrs, not trippled. If Obama and Bush both hadn’t spent money to stabilize the economy,we would probably be in a full depression right now. Have you noticed the stock market is approaching
it’s previous level? Monthly job growth is occuring,just not enough to account for the new job seekers every month.

That’s right, Hflashman. Let’s do turn back the clock to when this country was the greatest country on earth due to peoples honestly, hard work and work ethic before the government started taking over our lives. Answer this, if this was not the greatest country on earth why do so many people want to come here? Under the free market system (Capitalist) since the last 100 years or so, look at what this young country has done. We invented the airplane that you fly in, we have mass produced the automobiles in this country that you most likely own, or use and many, many other things to numerous to mention. Under this administrations ideology this could never have happened. Compare the United States with the Communist, or Socialist countries over the same time period and see what they have done. People like you complain all the time, but you continue to stay in this country and enjoy the fruits of it’s labor. If I hated this country as much as you, and some of your liberal friends, I would leave and never come back. If you continue to stay here, quite your whinning, and read the Constitution. It just might enlighten you.

Wayne…most of the beginning of your diatribe I agree with. the Decline is easy to spot…look at the data. 1981. From there, with the exception of a short 6 year span (Clinton’s last 6 years), it has been steady as the Middle Class was under attack.

Last i heard, US auto’s are still being made by US Companies because of this administration…the GOP would have killed it off putting hundreds of thousands on the streets. As well as the remainder of your rants. Under the GOP…Federal powers have increased, state powers decreaeed, taxes overall have goe up, deficits have skyrocketed, and we are weakened economically, militarily, and emotionally.

And you say this administration is bad…when the Conservatives have screwed it up so badly the past 30 years?

As for the Constitution…unlike you, I have more than a 7th grade mentality when it comes to understanding that document and hat it stands for. Though having that 7th grade outlook does allow you a good rant…even though is nonsense.

You are dead wrong about the GOP, they would have done the same thing with the auto industry, but I cannot say about Wall Street and the banking, but I do know when the Republicans are in control we enjoy better times and less unempoyment. I can remember back a long way. THe liberal way will not, can not, never has, and never will work.History has proven that. You liberals are not going to be able to do much more damage to this country, and I know you can see the handwriting is on the wall. Good BY!

as far as auto companies, those people need to be out of work for a while to see how the rest of us live. unions are to blame for the ridiculous wages these people who have no college are making. they’re also to blame for the companies failing. they could move those plants to texas, a right to work state, with no jobs lost. workers could move here or they could hire texans to build american cars. as long as people are working, jobs are not lost, just moved around. and just how many of you folks on here own american cars? not many, i bet. i believe you should dance with the one who took you to the ball. BUY AMERICAN!!

You claim to have more than a 7th grade mentality, but you haven’t shown us anywhere you’ve used it. You argue untruths, and point at statistics that are the result of acts put in place by liberals. If you use the mentality you claim to have, you would know it takes time for policies to have an effect. Even in economics, there is the short run, and the long run, the long run being the better indicator. Economies adjust to policies, and the bad results of a bad policy takes years to become evident. Dems put most of the distructive policies in place, Republicans tryed to make them work, but you can’t fix a bad policy except to replace it. And you liberals are so loving of your handouts from the government, you can’t see they are the exact problem that keeps us enslaved.

flash:

The last I heard the ONLY American made car was made by Toyota. The US companies have everything except final assembly made elsewhere and then claim it is American made because they drop the body on the frame and put in enough screws to hold it together.

Incidently, how many cars do you know that uses only American bolts and threads? I don’t know of any. All are metric – which means they were made overseas.

You’re wrong. It’s not the performance of Republicans over those decades that has created today’s situation. Granted, Repubs have made many mistakes.

====>It is the liberal’s insatiable desire for entitlements that is doing the most damage to the middle class. Witness the financial disaster many states and the fed are facing. The Constitution gave us rights to everything we are willing to earn, not everything we are willing to want.

Hflashman, where are you going to find a poor man that can hire you. How much can that poor man afford to pay you? Now come on, you think you are so smart, figure that one out, and please come back and let us know. I really do believe you are a lost cause. Sorry to have to say that.

One more thing Hflashman, Clinton had a Republican Party in power to help him out by giving him assistance in his administration. How about that? They brought him back to the center from the far left. Obama does not have that help from the Republicans since he only listens to the Democrats who are in power now. Just wait until November and hopefully the Republicans will have the power again and will be able to give Obama some assistance.

Are you saying the constitution is a bunch of NONSENSE. come on, Obummer and the demo congress doesn’t believe in the constitution they threw it under a rug like a pile of dirt.

barbm,

I do! I own 4 of them and they are all paid for !

Perhaps it is not true, but a documentary on the History Channel said that Corvettes are made in the US with US parts as will be the Chevy Volt.

It may be … now that GM is owned and run by the White House. It’s a good political move for them …

Dick Gazina
the chevy volt is a carolla made buy toyota!

45 Caliber…spoken like a true lugnut…Corvette has been a success story for General Motors since 1953…Long before it became Government Motors…Do you always make-up facts to suite your personal beliefs??

The “fact” the GMC might as well stand for Government Motors Corp. in not diminished by GM’s history. That history was washed away with a stroke of a Government pen. Now it’s just another subsidized Government enterprise. Boycott GM until it is once again privately owned or has new owners.

pgmjr:

The last thing I heard about Corvette was that the motor and much of the rest of it was now made in other countries. It was definately a success for GM and they made it originally. But, as I said, NONE of their cars are made entirely in the US. Most of it is made overseas and shipped in. The ‘factory’ barely has to put two parts together so they can call it a “Amercian made” car. Many other companies do the same thing with other items.

dick
45 is correct when saying that the engines are put together in mexico I know this as a fact I have bought two of them!

That is so true. My cars are all American because they were made before 1986! Now days you just can’t claim that about most any car !

Thank you!! I am amazed at some of the comments I’m sseing on this
blog. Do they really think that Obama has helped this country?? Everything he does has the direct result of breaking down the democracy and the freedom we enjoy. He is currently tying the hands of the military in Afganistan and doesn’t even mention the word Victory with regard to the war. He insists on pulling our troops out in July 2011 regardless of how the effort is going. If you’re going to commit to a war then COMMIT. Be all there and stay until the jobh is done. How about the Obamacare that was passed against the majority of the American people, or the fact that he’s suing Arizona instead of backing them up in their effort to control the immigration problem. He is not for this country, he is a mole who’s only adjenda
is to break down this counrty so that he can have greater control in the end. He has spent more money than all other presidents combined in the short time he’s been in office. He’s a joke and I’m looking forward to the day that he’s removed from office. Hopefully by way of immpeachment as soon as possible!

Flash in the pan,

Look what Obama and company have given us so far, more deficit spending than any US President in history, social programs designed to enslave our country. Programs, regulations all designed to bleed the US economy, unemployment at 9.6% (15% actual) nationaly, unions corrupting their people and politicians, and socialists and homosexuals in positions that directly affect every single American. I’m looking at the big picture, the stimulus money that gave thousands a job expires Thursday, thousands more on the unemployment list. Taxes, congress is doing nothing, then after the mid-term election they’ll try to pass something that will fail and on Jan 01, 11 all of us will see drastic increases in our taxes and this is what you want for our country. You want to see this country brought down to it’s knees financialy, you want us to fail, well this kid want’s this country to win because this republic was built on freedoms granted to us by God and no other. God Bless America

Hey Brad,
A bit over the top this morning, don’t you think?

Here is a bit of economic analysis for you on the Republican Pledge to America.Once again, the Republicans prove that they are incompetent and do not have our interests at heart.

http://www.peoplesworld.org/republican-pledge-kill-jobs-give-money-to-rich/

PUt your magic wand in your mouth and blow real hard!! Idiot

Great analysis from a left wing weenie…I think I would rather poke my eyes out than read that insignificant crap again.

For those of us who are not locked into the left / right paradigm, here’s an interesting article looking to the future:

America on the brink of a Second Revolution

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/america-on-the-brink-of-a-second-revolution-2010-09-28

Flashy, you must be getting really excited about the BIG Rallies coming up in October, you know the ones with Jon Stewart and all your little communist buddies that plan on attending. Are you a member of the Young Communist League yourself or SEIU?

Aren’t they one and the same?

That’s right….turn back the clock! Stop this senseless waste and spending. Those who keep pitting the rich against the poor have no real concept of anything, particularly the opportunity for individuals to earn and keep the fruits of their own labor without theft from the government. Theft is not a good approach to anything. It’s a good thing to want to work and become an achiever in life. The Republican pledge is a start in the right direction. Repealing this monstrosity of a health care bill is certainly a good first step. The health care bill is still being written and we still don’t know what’s in it or what will be in it. Much of it is left to interpretation…..by whom? It has not been appropriately debated, questioned, or well-thought out, except from a communist point of view and from a secretive position. We have no idea who even wrote this bill or parts thereof. It seems from left brained people. The Democrats just came out and threw it at us. It is a huge fraud against the people sold as FREE health care or health care for all. Just a lie! Get it repealed and take “proper” steps to reform health care to keep decisions between doctor and patient, not some clerk in an office without windows. Get real! And cut with the crap about blaming others. That’s a cop out. Deal with the here and now and move forward in the right direction. We should all be able to work together on taking back this country from the Marxist minds of yesterday.

The Dems constantly argue that we should “tax the rich”. But the Dems have as many or more millionares than the GOP does! Do they plan to tax themselves? Or do they plan to do as many of Oblama’s appointees did … simply ignore paying it?

45caliber,

Agreed.

I would NOT consider $200,000 to $250,000 to be RICH as the WH & congress wants you to think… they are just well to do or doing well. BO & congress are using this amount of income to CAP what we all should be making and conditioning everyone to think that is a lot WHEN IN REALITY WHAT “THEY ARE MAKING” IS A WHOLE FREAKING LOT!

I would consider millionaires which includes most of the old Congress farts who are milking-the-system and stealing from your pockets to be RICH maybe better stated as WEALTHY. If DEMs refuse to keep the Bush Tax cuts in 2011, which it appears they want to do by their unwillingness to put it to a vote in congress RIGHT NOW, taxes on the RICH SHOULD APPLY TO THEIR (WH & congress’) BULGING WALLETS.

I agree with you 45caliber.

45caliber

From what I’ve seen those dems. that Obama has put in office don’t pay their taxes so they don’t care what he does as far as the tax situation is concerned !

Very excellent post and to the point exactly.

Once again, the Republicans in Congress prove they are incompetent. There is no way I’m going to vote in November for a Republican. As they say, “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.” Here is an economic analysis of their Pledge to America:

http://www.peoplesworld.org/republican-pledge-kill-jobs-give-money-to-rich/

This is a BS analysis, and makes false predictions that have NO basis in true economics.

More FactCheck on Republican lies and incompetence:

The Republican “Pledge to America,” released Sept. 23, contains some dubious factual claims:

* It declares that “the only parts of the economy expanding are government and our national debt.” Not true. So far this year government employment has declined slightly, while private sector employment has increased by 763,000 jobs.
* It says that “jobless claims continue to soar,” when in fact they are down eight percent from their worst levels.
* It repeats a bogus assertion that the Internal Revenue Service may need to expand by 16,500 positions, an inflated estimate based on false assumptions and guesswork.
* It claims the stimulus bill is costing $1 trillion, considerably more than the $814 billion, 10-year price tag currently estimated by nonpartisan congressional budget experts.
* It says Obama’s tax proposals would raise taxes on “roughly half the small business income in America,” an exaggeration. Much of the income the GOP is counting actually comes from big businesses making over $50 million a year.

David L,

FactCheck has affiliations with Obama so don’t expect unbiased answers from them !

Flash:

“turning us back to slaves” huh?

Take a look at American history sometime. The Dems were in favor of slavery and the GOP was against it prior to the Civil War. If we go back in time, as you suggest, I guess that the Dems would still be in favor of slavery, right?

If you look even closer to the history, the only reason blacks switched to the Dems was they were “bought” by being offered money to vote multiple times. One Dem would pay the poll tax for thousands, register false names, then pick up various people, bus them around and tell them how to vote. It’s right there in the history books.

Where do you think ACORN got the idea??

CJ,
I just found out in neighboring Houston (That’s liar Dem Sheila Lee-Jackson’s district) that they found 25,000 people had voted in 2008 that had the same addresses used up to six times and some addresses were to empty lots or unlived in houses. After further investigation (not by liberals obviously) they found only 1,000 of those 25,000 votes were made by “real” registered persons. The FBI was called in and started to look into the “voter fraud” when the building holding the 2008 voting machines burned down… imagine that. Bye, bye evidence.

I say that confirms that MULTIPLE FALSE VOTES were made to the obama/biden 2008 election. Bet those two Marxists would NOT have WON without CHEATING and STEALING all those VOTES across America… because if it happened here, then it happened in your neighborhood, too.

Christin,

You got that right ! This was the most corrupt election ever. From the bogus birth certificate to the questionable campaign funds to the voting. Now looking back on all that, can you imagine what we have to contend with in the next two elections?

A pledge huh,Well my guess is any pledge is better than completely breaking all of your campaign promises all together…. Lets see, I promise c-span so all of America can see who is working for the people and who is not..Lets pass this 787 billion dollar stimulus bill and we will create jobs. Hurry pelosi,cut the water to 50,000 farms and farm workers in northern calif and you can still have all the water you need for your million dollar vineyards,(we can blame Bush)or delta smelt might go extinct,don’t tell anyone we can raise millions of little delta fish like we do trout etc.We need to do this to keep the American people down. How else can we get socialism started in full force?Whatever you do don’t let them audit the spent stimulus money or the American people will find out how much is missing. Remember, this is your dnc theives and we need to vote them out. A vote for the dnc is a vote for socialism.

guyb

good post. I’m with you.

There are many people like Hflashman who think the GOP will be worse than the unholy trinity of Obama, Pelosi and Reid and that is amazing. If your life is morallly bankrupt then maybe you don’t care what happens to the Republic since you can’t seem to get a piece of the action. The trouble is that when freedom is gone because WE THE PEOPLE are not accountable and responsible, the freedoms never come back.The democrats promised hope and change and we got more of the same bull crap, except its on steroids now. After almost two years we have three times as much debt as Bush left behind and with a democratic majority in both the House and the Senate the only legislation that got priority attention last year was the failed stimulus and the job killing, budget busting, massively unpopular OBAMACARE plan that must be repealed before 28 other states go broke like Calif and New York from medicaid increases that are forced upon everyone by Obamacare and the law which creates the govt office that will oversea medicaid. Joblessness and the constant spending bills to prop up teachers jobs and extend the 99 weeks of unemployment at taxpayer xpense is nice for specific individuals but since the country is broke that is debt that is accumalating on our children. 30 million illegals are using American resources at an enormous rate and is the number 1 or 2 reason we are broke and moving into the debt crisis mode. I am reminded of a book called arguing with idiots and the bottom line is, until people get educated with the political landscape and ask the right questions and then react as a proactive voter the real arguments and compromises cannot be made because logic and reason are non-components of the socialist progressive liberal democratic agenda. Pelosi and Reid do not serve WE THE PEOPLE, they operate in a nanny vacuum because they think they can render judgements for the Americn people based on their ideology which is best for all of us. Ge your head out of your butt and do something for you country instead of denigrating others and whining about our political future when you have less than nothing to offer your fellow countrymen, which is exactly what the liberal democrats offer. You have fredom of speech but not freedom of stupidity even if it is only a moral wrong. If we could get rid of the ethics violators and crooks in the House we wouldn’t even need an election, but the real world says to have a better life we have to find common ground and work hard to reach our goals. I spent 29 years in the military and worked 50 years of my life to be able to enjoy retirement but maybe I will lose the social security I worked and paid into for 50 years. I will live on my military retired pay but being a vet with 60% disabilities may not allow me to be a wall mart greeter more than part time, but I accept the reality of the situation and I’m not going to use my war time skills or my pit bull attitude to wreck the country that I love and is the best country in the world. I dislike how Congress both sides have allowed this entitlement to become an extinct species through mismanagement like Pelosi using 2018 food stamps to fund todays unemployment applicants for more than 99 weeks through a 26.3 Billion mini-stimulus that was passed by democrats and one or two rino’s. If you have’nt found a job in two years you have decided not to move to a location for work or you don’t want to take a little less when offered and get more for sitting home then thats not fair to taxpayers and is a waste of time for these govt unemployment agencies trying to help people get employed. My point is this kind of spending has been killing the job market and our economy for a decade and with the takeover of the House and the Senate by the democrats in 2006 and 2007, nothing has changed except there has been accelerated spending and taxing the past two years and a I would like to add another disturbing piece of news and that President Obama and the Democratic majority have nationalized over 55% of our country under the control of the govt with over 40 CZARS all of which is not under the controll of Congress which defeats the idea of freedom and democracy and is why we vote for Congress people so we can have our voices heard. The President appears to be trying to take over the country. That is what a dictator would want to do, so why are you OK with that? In the military I fought against commies and I hope my countrymen won’t allow that to happen. You can never trust elected officials or govt because the percentages are high that they will be involved in some type of corruption large or small especially if they get tempted by special interests and lobbiest. Power absolutely corrupts, thats why our founding fathers created the Constitution and the declaration of independence and the rule of law. If the republicans do not live up to the pledge to America there is another election in 2012 and they can be voted out, but you must give them a chance to work us out of the situation that we are in. Our country hangs in the balance, we can have our war of words after we see if the Repubs are going to do something or just talk a good game.

I think we may need to get the republicans out also, but not until the Dems are gone. WE really need a government run by the constitution, and the people for the people. It appears they do everything against the constitution. Our government spends more money overseas than here and is more concerned about what goes on overseas than here. It is very shameful of them indeed. I can see a civil war coming if things do not improve after November. Sad to say, it is probably the only way things will return to a constitutional government. In my opinion, we need to arrest everydamn one of them and put them in the FEMA camps that are cropping up all over the damn place. We then install a new government. This is what I really want and am willing to fight for. Get rid of the career bandits.

I am with you all the way !

we ned to vote out all the greedy lawyers in the house and senate .
and put in some HONEST ones, if we coud find an honest lawyer

Kirby,

Is there such a thing? Does such an animal exist ?

I Agree!!!The gop is a hypocrital lying self serving bunch of “holier than thou-better than thou and richer than thou “bastards that will stop at NOTHING for their own personal gain!!! Don’y be a fool and vote for one of them!!!!

Carole, you are at least half right on this. I believe that this country should cut back on it’s spending and give away programs to foreign countries. Over the years we have even given our enemies money to squander. Russian being one of those countries, and many others as well. Of course our Congress waste a lot of money within our own country also. Regardless of what party takes over Congress, we have got to get our National Debt in order, or we are all going to pay through the nose as well as our children will have to some time in the future. This debt has been building for the last thirty or forty years and neither party has done anything about it. I agree, both parties are responsible for this economic mess were in. Any civilized, sane, person with commom sense realizes that you just can’t keep spending. If the conservative do take over Congress this November, and I hope they do, if they do their job, we will all have to relinquish some of the benefits that comes from the Federal Government. People are not going to like that, but that is the way it is going to have to be if we want to get out of debt. We have do that within our families, and we should expect the government to do the same.

Wayne:

I saw a list of countries we gave money to a few years ago. Number 1 was India (we sent them tons of free food). Number 2 was Russia and Number 3 was Red China.

In fact, of the top ten, India was the ONLY country that wasn’t Communist! Of the top 25 countries, all of Europe was listed including England, France, Germany, Spain, and Italy. Israel was down about fifty, three spots BELOW Palestine.

There were only TWO countries in the world that we didn’t give at least $10 mil a year. Those were Monte Carlo and some 128 acre country between Spain and Portugal that has a single family that smuggles to live.

45 caliber, thank you for that very good imput. I knew there were a lot of different countries we gave money too, not loaned, billions and billions of dollars. No wonder we are in such bad shape. It is also true that most wars were started under a Democratic Leadership. Now before you liberal start running you mouth at that statement, go back in history and see for yourself. The Republicans have had some unsavory charaters in Congress, but there seems to be more Democrats than Republicans that are bad. I’ll take the Republicans any time over the Democrats. Conservative Republicans would be the best pick.

45
I found this on another site that I thought might pertain to what others owe.
China, however, refuses to recognize the debt its current government inherited when the communists took control in 1949, the congressman wrote. That debt includes about $260 billion on bonds issued by the former Republic of China. Of that, nearly $100 billion is owed to thousands of Americans from bonds on which the People’s Republic of China has defaulted, the congressman wrote.

dan az:

That doesn’t surprise me. I’m seriously wondering if the US will decide to do as the USSR did; break up so it can declare all debts null and void. At least here in the SW we have a better chance than the NE will have if we do.

Hey,Why don’t we let Van Jones run the country????? Until we get people to run for office who love our country more then the amount of money they can steal,we will be in the same boat no matter which party wins.We already know obama and reid and pelosi can not be trusted so Its back to the drawing board.How about that birth certificate,I know they cost 17 dollars in calif so I will pay the money if obama can not spare a few dollars….

Carole Howwel,

Did you know that the Bush tax cuts brought us out of the Clinton recession and in the long haul created 8 million new jobs, that’s until the bottom fell. With the lowered taxes job creation was ramping up, more Americans were paying taxes, states and the federal government saw huge increases in tax revenue. With the fall in employment saw a decrease in tax revenue, states and the federal; government received reduced tax receipts causing states and the federal government to run deficits. Most states are still in the red to include the federal government to the tune of 3.4 trillion just for the Obama administration in less than two years being in office. The Bush administration brought the federal budgit down every single year, fact check it at the CBO website, it wasn’t until 07 when the “rats” had control of both houses of congress that the deficit spending truely ramped way up.

Right now we need to put common sence politicians into the congress, I’m tired of the tax and spend politicians, we need to get back to our roots, The Constitution of The United States of America.

Brad
Thanks for the facts but I dont think they care its not what they want its not out of their play book!

Please get your facts straight, the reason we have these huge deficits is because of the housing market collapse by Fannie & Freddie, at this point nobody has done anything to clean up that mess. Which was by and large ignored by the Democrat led congress in 2006 and the fact the Obama over the course of less the 2 years has run more deficits then all administrations from Washington thru Bush W combined; yes combined! Does not take a genus to figure this out, do Bush & the Republicans have some to blame for this mess; Yes! We will start to clean these people out slow but sure in November; I suggest the left leaning people start to clean up your own mess up to help save this country. We need balance in this country so until the liberals or progressives start becoming more central or moderate then I will believe there are no moderate Democrats and we will clear the swamp of these low lives ourselves!

Talking about getting facts straight, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were lending housing money that people could never pay back and it was a phenomena started in places like Chicage where commuunity organizers put pressure on banks to give minority people equal treatment for house loans. GEEZ community Organizers thats wher Obama served as a trainer and lawyer for years in the community organizer business, that where he got all that great experience to run the biggest industrial country in the world. The bad housing market began to accerate an already weak economy and since govt did not take action during Bushes second term and the democrats including Barney Franks who stated on national T.V. that Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae were just fine and there was no reason to regulate these people with laws in 2007. Fast forward 2010 Barney baby changed his mind and helped his bosom buddy Shumer to write financial regulations which recently passed and got lots of resistance by the GOP because Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae were not included and you say that they caused the depression to begin with, well guess what that ain’t fixed yet, but I bet the young guns will take care of that in 2011 when the smoke clears. Our zero balance money situation was caused by Fanny and Freddy and several other things all happening together like losing jobs overseas due to tax and unions, job killing OBAMACARE with yet more tax and rules that was passed by the democrats, the 787 billion failed stimulus which helped only pork spending, unions and ACORN funding and created less than 1000 jobs, the failure to secure the borders to stop illegals from adding to the massive amounts of resources these people are using which is costing taxpayers far more than what they pay in when they work and pay tax. Calif and New York are on the verge of bankruptcy due to joblessness and illegals among other lesser things. If the tax cuts are not renewed before 1 Jan 2011, the economy will lose ground fast because there will be more layoffs and more belt tightening by the public. The tax cuts for the rich is everyone making over 250,000 dollars. These people control hiring for 750,000 small business’s in the USA. They may pay the most tax but allowing the tax cuts to take place is a sure fire recipe for more job cuts and downsizing, not to mention some business people will leave the country and outsource their work, this could be trillions in annual production. The fools can’t see who the employers are that create the most jobs. Its not the 50% that do not pay tax its the 50% that does create jobs. The ideology on how to grow jobs is so foreign to democrats who have been passing laws to create an entitlement society, it has now begun to get down to the nut cutting. Business people are not going to use their capitol to pay more taxes and put up with more regulation because they have to use a balance sheet daily to show they can make a profit and they should not be penalized for being successful. Geez economics 101. A community organizer and a freak who says on national T.V. that you will have to read the bill after it is passed to see whats in it and a clown who wheels and deals behind closed doors in a fraudulent and unethical way to pass legislation guided is dooming our country to failre. Is this the America you want for your kids. I hope you are smarter than what your comments are stating. Do us all a favor and Vote these bums out in Nov 2010 and 2012. Its not a party thing anyore its what we have to do to keep our country from becoming another Cuba.

A correction,, by allowing the tax cuts for the rich to expire will be devastating not revenue producing. In an earlier post I said allow to take place I meant allow to expire. Thanks

Howe
That is spot on I couldnt remember where I read that because I really wanted to put that fact out there in their face so to speak.Thanks for getting it out!Now if we could only teach them how to look up the true facts we might just make them disappear!

Otherm than being totally misguided and wrong in your facts, analysis and rantings…there’s not much truth or accuracy to your post Howe…not much at all.

BTW…if you knew anything about the lending industry, you would know that Cook County (Chicago) is not a high lending area due to restrictive prohibitions and borrower requirements … but then…don’t let truth and fact ruin a good rant…

Carole:

I agree; it was wrong to cut taxes during a war. BUT … it is not the reason we are in debt today. That is primarily due to Oblama and his Dems spending more debt than all previous Presidents put together. And let’s get this straight – Congress spends the money. All the President does is request money and sign an approval when it is given him.

Hey 45…you do realize the 2009 deficit and budget was from Bush …right?

flash
you do mean when the democraps where still in charge right?

flash:

Really? I seem to remember Oblama’s 800+ billion package of pork projects called a “stimulus” bill and his Oblamacare package.

Are you trying to tell me that Bush was the one who put those in place?

Billions and billions of dollars for this war—and for what? It certainly helped get America in debt.

Yes we do really, really, and if they do not, they are also gone.

Dear Carole, I hate to burst your fantasy bubble, but the war and the local economy are not co-considerations unless you are planning the annual defense budget or speculating about what can be funded to win a war. The Bush tax cuts were a tool to help small business people to keep employees on the payroll and maybe even hire some new people, when this happens people pay tax, they are less of a drag on entitlements that come with unemployment and the economy picks up because these employed indiduals buy houses and cars, and other things that create a successful free market boost. The economy needed a boost in 2001 and 2003 bcause we were losing too many jobs overseas to the Chinese, the country of India, the philippines and South America. For example the computer companies as you well know let foreignors handle servicing calls and there are millions of them employed at a few dollars a day as apposed to the 15 to 20 dollars a day that U.S. companies had to pay. Ford company moved an entire plant to Brazil where the employees do not have a union and work for 25 % of what they were getting in the U.S. under the AFL-CIO and SEIU unions. The exportation of jobs continues even under Obama’s watch because he is too busy spreading the wealth instead of creating situations to encourage employment. Talk to some small business people and they will tell you the high taxes and the health care bill that kicked in is forcing them to either drop insurance coverage for employees or pay the lower cost fines when they have a choice but they will cut jobs if there isn’t an alternative. Business people have to make a profit to maintain the motivation to conduct small business operations in such a way that they may want to expand and make more money. Obama has painted business’s as greedy and wanting to make too much money and I can’t understand why a person is bad because they want to obtain wealth through hard work and sacrifice. It is not the govt’s job to impede the free market system and interfere with business operations that create jobs unless there is an emergency situation serious enough to justify short term interference. A six month moratorium on Gulf oil wells is no an emergency and will cost the United States 84,000 jobs which will go overseas or go away because there are 33 drilling rigs that are closed down in the Gulf and they cost one million dollars a day to operate with or without oil drilling activity. Some of these jobs have gone to the African coast, others to the coast of the mediterranean countries and the British Isles and off the coast of Soutth America and they most likely won’t be back because the Obama administration has shown a propensity to do many things against oil companies to harm their business not the least of which is to extort money out of them to pay off future possible claims. Anyhow people like you vote for a false idea and that is how socialism and tragedy comes about through a rear door. Please get educated its a matter of life and death this year. If you have kids its important because they will either inherit the American dream or the classless socialist society where everyone has the same thing which is nothing.

howe
Any logical person would read that and understand the truth but now lets see what her reply is.Hope for change