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Obama's Mixed Message On Taxes

September 13, 2010 by  

Obama's mixed message on taxes With the general elections approaching and many Democrats struggling to hold on to their seats, President Barack Obama has embarked on a series of campaign stops and speeches in which he sought to lessen fears of higher taxes and bigger government.

Although the president recently unveiled a $180 million investment spending plan designed to revamp the nation’s transportation infrastructure, he also proposed a tax break package of some $300 billion for businesses in order to spur job creation.

However, some economists, as well as politicians like House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), said that the proposal may not produce the intended consequences because the government’s deficit continues to expand, creating uncertainties related to high interest rates and inflation.

Moreover, the White House has said it is sticking to its plan to let the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans expire at the end of this year, something the GOP says will further blunt the impact of tax breaks for businesses.

Still, Obama told an audience in Cleveland on Sept. 8 that preserving the Bush-era cuts "would have us borrow $700 billion over the next 10 years to give a tax cut of about $100,000 to folks who are already millionaires."ADNFCR-1961-ID-19938024-ADNFCR

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  • The Patriot

    Just why does this bastard president(he is illegitimately in office) think that the rich should help him balance the budget? I was taught that bankruptcy was caused not by too little income, but by too much spending. Why should the rich have to pay it all? Lets be fair! Let us put it in terms you kindergarteners will understand.

    When you were six years old you had a wagon didn’t you! you liked to ride the wagon didn’t you?! So did your brothers and/or sisters! When one of you got to ride the wagon all the time what happened?? the rest of you complained; “Jimmy gets to ride all the time, I never get to ride!” SO tell me now, Why WHY just because you think that someone, just because he is said to be rich, should end up pulling the wagon 60% 0r 70% or more of the time while there are others of us who don’t pull the wagon at all??!!!!?

    There are some of us who pay over 60% and some of us over 70% of our incomes in TAXES!! That means we are pulling the wagon 60% or 70% of the time, or in other words we work from Jan 1 every year until 10 July or 15 August JUST TO PAY OUR TAXES, before we can keep a penny for ourselves. there are others of us who have paid all of the taxes we will pay for the year before the middle of February!!

    NOW answer me this!! Who is being treated unfairly?? Who is it who gets to ride the wagon the most?? Is it the person who works hard, who earns “lots of money”, or is it the person who gets to ride the wagon but has to pull it so little that he really is getting almost a free ride!?!?!?

    I vote for the fair tax. That way ALL have to pull the wagon and put the same amount of effort into it. It is the only fair way. Anything else is an unfair SOCIALIST Income Redistribution Scheme!!!

    The Patriot

    • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

      If you were on a life boat with 9 other people. There were 10 bottles of water on the boat. One person had 9 bottles of water and the other 9 (including you had to share the other bottle). That’s a situation that wouldn’t last long at all and you know it.
      Now as far as your wagon analogy there are 10 kids and 10 wagons. the rich kids got 9 wagons and the other 9 kids have to share the one wagon. now.. all the other kids fathers helped make all the wagons but were never really paid enough to buy one.. just food. The 9 kids grandfathers tried to change that once and the rich kids grandfathers had the police, the army and armed thugs break up the effort. many of the poor kids grandfathers were killed in this war. Finally one president said.. Holy Sh!t. there maybe an all out civil war if this keeps up and said “we’ve gotta give these people a piece of the pie” Well..one piece was given to all the people to share amongst them selves….Most were pretty happy and a generation came and went with everyone sharing the one piece some people got a cherry but most got crumbs of varying sizes. Soon women wanted some of that pie and then blacks and other minority…they had a right to it. They worked and they were willing to work. Americans were good people at heart and said.. sure. come on and share the pie with us. They even approved laws that made it a crime to discriminate against people. However the rich people never gave up even another 1/2 a slice for the new additions to the work force. And soon the old members of the work force were angry at having to share what was now even lesser crumbs with others. Nope.. the rich were scheming for decades on how to even take back the one slice that every one was sharing. That’s just how greedy they are.. it’s called Business as usual. They knew how to control political parties with their money.. for a short time the democrats were influenced by labor unions but the Taft Hartley act, passed by the elite/rich made even them very ineffectual and easily put out of existence by Roanld Regan. And now we have idiots who believe the poor rich people are being picked on and don’t even realize we’re on a boat with 10 bottles of water. no believe me, I don’t buy into Obama’s posturing for a moment, but if you think the corporations, banks and the elite are victims you are amazingly ignorant.

  • Big K.

    If something isn’t done to remove Obama ASAP our Country is down the drain. He is bent on the destruction of America as we Know it. There’s no doubt he is a Marxist/Socialist/Muslim/Puppet for the Big Boys, that want America to fall. Get rid of that whole nest of TREASONIST SOB’S in Washington “Now” Big K. Speaks Out

  • 2WarAbnVet

    All we’ll get from Obarfa is more lies, more taxes, more spending, and a weaker nation.

    • 45caliber

      He’s already promised to cut the military 25% now – and it is already too weak to fight in a single war without the aid of the state’s National Guard units. I guess he figures we are too strong for anyone in the world to want to attack, so we don’t need to defend ourselves – or he has someone in mind that wants to take over.

  • mike H

    Why are we borrowing 700 million to give the rich a tax cut?
    It is not a tax cut. It is what the tax level currently is.
    He will increase the taxes on the “rich”. Tax cut is an illusion
    and an inflammatory button to divide rich and middle class.
    Don’t fall for it. Giving billions to Brazil and Mexico…is
    he concerned about us having to borrow and pay debt on 11
    billion dollars? For oil exploration..which he wont allow us to do?

    Pretty clear picture, isn’t it?

    • 45caliber

      I’m a lot less worried about the 700 million than I am the 800 billion he is using to pay off his supporters. 700 million won’t run the government a single day.

  • http://Foxnews.com Patsy

    Really! check out Bankruptingamerica.org, It tells what is really going on and how we can hold congress accountible for what they have done!

  • http://yahoo Roy

    The true terrorist are in the White House….They need to go!!!

  • tg7357

    I guess ‘transparency in government’ just means Obama will keep Tim Geithner hid in the Treasury Deaprtment so we’ll hopefully forget he’s a tax-cheat!!

  • Bweez

    A TAX “BREAK” that has been in existence for years is proposed to be eliminated. So, “that” money is added to the budget as if the government has always had it, then Congress immediately puts the money (they haven’t even gotten yet) in the “let’s spend this” pile. SO… when Obama says that the govt may CONTINUE the tax “break,” (they will “let” us keep our hard earned money,) Congress says that they can’t afford it because they’ll be losing all that tax money they’re “earning,” which they haven’t been earning for years. So, my question is… how can they even count it till they get it? Because really they don’t even know how much it’s going to be, since so many businesses are gone and there’s 20% unemployment and they’ve spent all “that” money, plus all the money they may earn for the next 50 years and they keep on spending and spending and spending and… and… and… Sheesh, even my teenagers couldn’t come up with finances THAT convoluted. Is this a version of the old trick…”cut-the-budget-by-raising-it, then-lowering-it-a-little-bit-but-still-spending-more-than-before?” I guess it takes a college-educated financial wizard cause this simple-minded woman knows that wisdom says, you spend what you have and no more. “Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.”

    • 45caliber

      But they aren’t counting their chickens – they are counting yours. And if they figure wrong, well, they just require you to give them more to make up for their wrong figures.

  • http://gmail i41

    Remember in Nov. when the Banking Reform Bill hit in Jan. when you go to the bank to cash a paycheck and 1% charge is taxed to you, every time you buy something as a transaction cost. See if Omoron ever pays his fair share, nooo, muslims don’t have to health care costs, so when is the Socialsit Dems and Omoron going to enforce laws fairly?

    • 45caliber

      I believe that every man and woman in the US needs to pay the same tax at ALL times. No exceptions. But it seems that every tax law that is written also has loop holes – and the Dems know where they all are.

  • SH

    MY aplogies for the typos. I have class in 5 minutes. : )

    • PO’d Texas gal

      Hope it’s an English class. Fence-sit much, SH? Open your EYES!

  • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

    Let’s look at the net results of taxes. More and more spending. For What? Why allow the government to take an ever increasing percentage of the GDP? Why do citizens continually vote for increasing sales taxes for this or that project? Does anyone ever stop to ask these questions? We all end up paying for these phony excuses. The end result is a decline in the standard of living for those in the private sector.

  • SH

    Well it appears our Pres. is stuck between a rock and hard place from the perspective of critical analysis concerning his administration’s policy making and presentation process. On one hand we the people with our fastfood, must have an answer right now metalities are not as aware of the time it takes to make the best and right decision on behalf of a whole country. Oh sure, we know what is is to make a decision on behalf of ourselves , families , congregations, cities or regions and perhaps even a state but not the entire economic structure of the United States of America. So we are quick to coplain and criticize and listen to critics who egg us on. When a quick solution is presented we scoff and call it socialist doctrine. However the other solution is to borrow and go further into debt than we already are. But at least the people of the today will look like heroes as such would be quietly and coservatively done. the conservatives are very well aquainted with character damge control and cover ups. It won’t hurt them until later and later is right now. I encourage all financial leaders single mothers included to communicate ideas to our National financial leaders. It’s time to put on our thinking caps as a nation rather than complaining and communicate wisely with our Government. Perhaps, like the state of Wisconsin’s income tax inititive, someone or some region will present an idea that is healthy for us all in the long haul. Finally, with how things are doubling back and forth with all the negotiations on Capital Hill and within the White House I question the depth and breadth of the foresight of our leaders in Washington, D. C. There are those, within the Financial arena, who actually saw alll this coming and gave warning as far back as ten years ago. They did not listen and now there constituents are suffering due to their deafness to the voice of Wisdom. Many people are doing just fine finacially who did listen. 10 foolish and 10 wise. W@ho’s side you leanin on ?

    • Bweez

      SH: You said, “When a quick solution is presented we scoff and call it socialist doctrine. However the other solution is to borrow and go further into debt than we already are.” Could you give examples of “quick solutions” as opposed to borrowing? Because I thought borrowing WAS their quick solutions…i.e. TARP; $800B stimulus that “HAD to be passed immediately or we would have the worst recession ever;” Cash for Clunkers; Cash for Caulkers; home-buyers tax relief; “Shovel-ready jobs” that gave people jobs for a short time, etc. (btw – I know lots of people out of work that don’t use shovels and couldn’t if they wanted to… because they don’t belong to the “shovel brigade” unions!) So, all the “quick solutions,” that I’m aware of, DO involve spending money that we (the USA) don’t have and that we are borrowing from China. God bless you.

      • s c

        B, many years ago (probably before you were born), a certain man [JFK] resorted to a quick fix that actually WORKED. He LOWERED taxes! He was also a Democrat (before ‘Dems’ sold their asses to puppet masters).
        Most of the time, a quick fix is not a good idea. However, in the case of your “God” [Herr Obummer], his many quick fixes have done nothing to make America better or safer. Get it through your head, B, this prez is a PUPPET. He has NO original ideas. He’s doing what he’s told.
        Are you doing what you’re told? What a good, little progressive you are (no gold stars today).

      • 45caliber

        According to some people, everyone is required to do at they are told. And if you don’t, they are willing to send people to teach you to obey.

        Somehow that brings to mind slaves and plantations.

      • 45caliber

        You have to give SH a little leaway. After all, he is a college student. He’s only commenting as he has been carefully taught. If he is smart, once he gets out and starts paying taxes for himself, he will quickly become a conservative.

  • David Brugger

    I guess the whole tax cut argument boils down to this: Who do you trust? The government has been extracting huge taxes from all of us and have basically failed at the majority of it’s programs. People who earn large amounts of money are usually successful because they have learned to manage money and reinvest it in a way that results in success and progress.

    The government has proven that they can’t manage: a post office, railroads, infrastructure management, national parks, wars, education, welfare, inflation, earmark spending, food safety, oil well safety, disaster relief, mortgage lending, bank regulation, Wall Street regulation, the environment, adhering to the constitution, foreign relations, immigration and countless other government managed programs.

    The people who are successful enough to make over $200,000 have proven that they can do many things well, and can spend and invest their funds wisely. The federal and most state governments have proven thay can’t. Who should we trust with our future?

    • tg7357

      Well said!! I haven’t trusted the Feds for years now. Everything they touch is a mess. Wealthy people are wealthy because they know how ot manage, maintian and aquire their money. Maybe they should have a seminar for Washington??

      • TIME

        TG They don’t want one, ask yourself why would they when they can just steel what ever money from all of us?
        Yes more so from us who have made a lot of it, and never let the media tell you differantly.

      • tg7357

        Hey, I know what you mean. I’ve never seen a poor man give another person a job. I know thats kind of a worn -out adage, but its true.
        Enterprenuers are probably going to be the only thing that pulls this economy back from the cliff. The Feds sure aren’t doing anything about it!

      • 45caliber

        Entrapenuers are too handicapped right now to get started. The first two people anyone trying to start a business MUST hire is a safety expert and an environmental expert. Otherwise you will never get permission to build a business. Or you would get shut down very quickly. Then you have to have state and local licenses and perhaps even a few federal ones. Then you have to have inspectors come in every month or so to insure you really are doing the work you said you were doing. You have to have reams of files showing that you have considered and made a solution for ALL conceivable problems – and it must be a solution the government agrees with.

        Generally by the time a prospective small businessman gets through seeing what is required to start, he doesn’t have enough money left to actually start.

  • tg7357

    “With the general elections approaching and many Democrats struggling to hold on to their seats, President Barack Obama has embarked on a series of campaign stops and speeches in which he sought to lessen fears of higher taxes and bigger government.”~~~~Well, chalk up another big ‘it ain’t working, Barky!!’ for the Man. Does this guy EVER stop campaigning? Didn’t someone tell him he won the election almost 2 years ago already? Sheeesh! I wish someone would shove him off the stump and let another person talk for a while!!!

    • 45caliber

      Considering that they have already increased the size of government and increased taxes and talking about more new ones, I can’t see how he plans to make the people believe he isn’t going to add more.

  • David in Ma.

    obama has found himself, and his gang, in that place all liers find themselves.

    Trapped by their own lies.

    REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!!!

    Take our the trash! Take out the DEMONcRATS!!!

    John Boehner for Prez in 2012!!!!

  • Rush Housel

    Obama will say anything to keep his democratic support for his agenda.
    Pay special attention to what he has done in the first 22 months. Obama has lied about his citizenship, birth certificate, lower taxes, healthcare, Illegal immigration, Iraq, Afghanistan, end runs around congress, bail out programs, Obama’s concern for the american people, The BP Oil spill, The economy, Muslim affiliation, Rev Jeremiah Wright, Acorn, Bill Ayers, George Soros, SEIU, ACLU, Racial descrimination with the DOJ and Eric Holder. Pell Grants, you name it Obama has lied about it. Obama wants NASA to be a nursemaid to Muslim countries. Obama is suing Arizona over ILLEGAL immigration. Obama would like to see the Mosque at the site of the World Trade Center. Obama has put the U.S. on the edge of bankruptcy. Obama keeps apologizeing to these corrupt countries for the actions of the Unite States of America for saving there asses. WHY BELIEVE ANYTHING OBAMA HAS TO SAY, he is a CON-MAN Look at the unscruplous and crimal individuals he has surrounded himself with as his advisors. Obama’s record speaks the truth not his words!!!

    • PO’d Texas gal

      Excellent post! Add transparency to that list.

      There’s a guy in my political chat group who supports everything BO says and does regardless of how outrageous his actions are. He thinks the sob is a great man; just what this country needs!

      Several of us conservatives showed him a list of the bad things BO’s done to this country. The idiot DENIED every point, saying they’re all lies. So we asked the guy to show us a list of all the good things BO’s done. He claimed he didn’t have to prove his beliefs and refused to list anything.

      He’s just one example of how blindly acquiescent so many people are. Have they been brainwashed or what? I don’t understand it and never will.

      • mickey

        If your friend is a true believer, how much money does he have? And if he has a good job, why isn’t he giving all but the minimum wage back to the government to feed some more illegals? And ask him how much of obama’s money is going back. Maybe you should start with Michelle and her “Evita” thing.

        obama needs to be impeached. Clinton did a lot to destroy us with his policies but was impeached on what? An affair (obstruction of justice)?

        The only good thing is when obama shows up the candidates lose.

        I never captitalize his name for a reason and never call him “president”. He isn’t a president for the US, only a puppet for the NWO.

        Oh, and the union people are beginning to wise up too. They are tired of their hard earned money going to losing campaings. Millions raped from the very organization they support. In the end, the company will just transfer their jobs over seas. Sad.

      • mickey

        Oh, yeah, maybe you should also ask him which neighborhood obama has selected for him with obama’s infrastructure plan. Doesn’t he know he is being pre-selected for an urban destination? BTW, didn’t Hitler create the autoban (infrastructure) during his raign?

    • Keeper

      WHY TO GO RUSH,
      WE NEED TO KEEP THESE KIND OF POSTS GOING AROUND, MAYBE SOME LEFT LOONS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE ISLE MAY READ THESE POSTS AND MAY LEARN WHAT THERE HAGS HAVE DONE FOR THEM.. OR SHOULD I SAY DONE TO THEM.. FOR THESE ARE ALL THE REASONS WHY THIS DUNG PILE IN WASHINGTON NEEDS TO BE IMPEACHED.
      GOD BLESS AMERICA AND THE PEOPLE. GOD BLESS THIS LAND OF THE FREE. GOD BLESS OUR MILITARY FOR KEEPING THIS NATION SAFE. AND GOD BLESS ALL THOSE HARD AT WORK FIGHTING TO BRING OUR COUNTRY OUT OF THIS ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT TAKE OVER, AND RETURN US BACK TO BEING AMERICA THE GREATEST NATION ON THE PLANET, BECAUSE WE ARE THE GREATEST.

  • http://wwwroyaltoypoodle.com maxi

    I have no problem with the wealthier richer class of people and I believe they should not be overburdened on taxes either, If the rich class is brought to the level of the rest of us we have socialism. Next could be communism I am in favor or neither. I admire people who can find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and make it good in this life, I don’t want to see everyone poor that would also make us a third world country. that may be where we are heading anyway. If I were God and thank God I am not I would allow America to run the race into the sewer we are headed for. We have become a very greedy, godless, and humanistic country. When we believe in the things damed by God that is what we are.

    • Sylvia Rangel

      MAXI I agree with you 100%. If they are rich is because they or their parents worked very hard. I like to be free, I like the free market,
      etc.

      GOD BLESS THE USA.

  • J.M.R.

    DOESN’T

  • J.M.R.

    YES HE’S A LAIR WHICH I SAW COMING WHEN HE FIRST STARTED RUNNING FOR OFFICE. ITS REALLY FUNNY HOW HE HATES PEOPLE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR MAKE MONEY CREATE JOBS BUT ALL OF FRIENDS ARE RICH AND HE DOES’T SAY A THING ABOUT THEM. P.S. THEY ARE ALSO CROOKS.

  • Mark

    I hope and pray to God that NO ONE is listening to this rhetoric b.s. As soon as the elections are over it will be back to business. Far left extremist dems are backpedaling as hard as they can. Anyone that buys their lies is a fool. Dems like Robin Carnahan in Missouri are nothing but obama puppets and butt kissers. Carnahan is the path to more tyranny. No I ain’t republican, or democrap, I believe in my freedom and my liberty. I believe in honor and God. Send the muslims back where they came from. Send the mexcans back where they came from. Linch pelosi and obama and carnahan in the same hangin’. Please DO NOT listen to these back pedaling fools, liars and cheats. They will turn on you like two week old roses. Locked and Loaded.

    • PO’d Texas gal

      No fool here. I haven’t believed a word he’s said since he was a candidate promising “Change”. The guy’s a liar, a fraud, a Marxist and an illegal alien. The only ones who believe him are the kool-aid drinking dumbocrats.

      • Dr. Alan Cochin

        You are right on the money! Although I prefer to think of obummer as a left wing progressive Marxist, Muslim, Dumbocrat who under the political sway of George Soros is selling us down the drain in order to bankrupt and ruin the United States financially and politically.When I did my time in the Army,(honorable discharge, 1967), Treason was defined as “Giving aid and comfort to the enemy, the United States then being in a state of War!” It still is, We are at war now, he and his associates are clearly guilty of Treason as well as other high crimes and misdemeanors, (which define incompetence in government), They NEED TO BE IMPEACHED NOW!

    • Keeper

      LOCKED AND LOADED HERE AS WELL MY FRIENDS

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      Along with Robyn, Russ and Claire as well.

      • Claire

        Conservative at Birth–You mentioned my name? What are you referring to? I hope nothing bad.

  • PO’d Texas gal

    s c: Obombus doesn’t CARE what us fed-up Americans think. He does as HE pleases. Heard him say, on The View, that this is his “first term”. Ha! Guess he’s counting on all those illegal aliens, as well as those still waiting for their 40 acres and a mule, to keep him in office.

    Kookie: Great idea about the staffer’s back taxes. Michelle should be made to get rid of 27 of her 28 personal staffers.

    Before he spends more of our tax dollars on ANYthing, we fed-up Americans should demand to know exactly where the other stimulus money went.

    • TIME

      Texas Gal,
      I agree with all you posted, as well let me just add in a few points.

      Barry Soetoro is doing just what he planned on doing CRASHING our system into a total mess. I am sure we all have been told by someone at some point in your life this absurd statment;
      {Do as I tell you not as I do.}

      There’s the problem, with Barry anyone with even the most basic form of common sense can grasp that its “all 100% Rhetoric” that he speaks.
      TRUTH from Barry is kind of like saying it never snows on the South Pole. Both are never going to happen.

      Sure TAX the hell out of everyone and what will that prove, that we are under a “STATE RUN government” and that we the little People are little more than {Slaves to the State.}
      Thats what he working toward, how many more will be on the Public Aid books by January 2011? The numbers have quadrupled in 19 months, how many more by January 2012? Everyone in the US?

      Can we even dare ask such questions Anylonger?
      Keep in mind Congress in back today, what new destruction by way of new laws have they for us?
      Can you say, Take away the Internet?
      Take away your job?
      Take away your home?
      Take away your Freedoms that are left?
      Take away your childrens future?
      Take away your pride?
      Take away your life as you know it by way of Cap & Trade? Yes we know that it will make the really Wealthy even more so, hey Al Gore stands to make Billions in months of its starting up, Trillions in just a few years, so just how are the old dangling chads working out Al?

      They all gotta go people.

      The Democrats are not even noting what they have done you all know the all the alledged wounderful things they did for you, as you so wanted these things done. So why is that again?

      And just whats the Republicans problems with being the advocates they were hired to be by standing up to this gang of thugs even being out numbered?
      I have stood up when I was out numbered many times, 9 out of 10 time people back down when someone stands even alone.
      Yes sure I have taken a few bullets, even been stabed a few times, I still not only WON, I walked away and they didn’t.
      Stand UP, Wake Up and do what you have to do.

      The media also needs a good house cleaning; and just for the record if we don’t fix that problem the rest of them will just keep right on trucking.

      Don’t turn on the TV, don’t buy news papers unless they report the “TRUTH.” No TRUTH No Business.

      Then the UNIONS have to go, their time has passed.

    • Sylvia Rangel

      Stimulus money went to the muslims.

      God Bless to USA.

  • Doc Sarvis

    The Bush tax cuts should end and probably should never have been put in place. I can’t see that those tax cuts benefitted anyone else other than the rich and increased the gap between the poor/middle class and the rich.

    • Woody

      You seem to forget EVERY tax rate was cut. So everyone got to keep more of the money THEY earned.
      Even WITH the tax cut, the ‘rich’ are STILL paying more than the lower income families (it is simple math).
      My sister and I BOTH find $1.
      She pays taxes at a 15% rate so she has 85 cents left.
      I pay taxes at a 33% rate so I have 67 cents left. Explain how I ‘got over’ on the system by being in a higher tax bracket.

      • tg7357

        Please let me know when Doc puts a spin on your post and makes it all your fault, not the gov’s, that you only get to take home 67 cents out of every dollar. I can’t wait to hear this one! Your post was right on the money, Woody! I wish I was only paying 15% taxes, too.

      • BigBadJohn

        Woody, you are correct all taxes were cut. However, out of a 400 billion tax cut, 40% of that tax cut went to the richest 1%, the rest was spread across the other 99%.

      • Bob

        BBJ I ended up with a whopping $ 200.00 for the year. Just enough for 1 hour with a high priced hooker.

      • Dan

        @BBJ
        So is that envy I see peeking out because even though you got a tax break like everyone else, your take home amount wasn’t as big as the guy making more money. What you fail to realize is that he contributed more in taxes than you probably make.
        Don’t like it then do something to increase your income and quit whining about what someone else makes.

        Regards

      • BigBadJohn

        Dan,
        There is a wide discrepancy in income even in the top 5%. A friend of mine was laughing about one of his workers bragging about the $500 dollar tax break he got, my friend pointed out that his tax break was over $50,000.
        Sorry, but I believe taxes should be based on percentages across the board and not targeted at specific items or incomes. I think EVERYTHING, capital gains, dividends, stock options, interest, and wages should all be counted as income, with no loopholes.

      • BigBadJohn

        Dan, actually there is a very good chance that last year I paid more in taxed then you made….

      • alpha-lemming

        AND… guess what… The rich are paying a HIGHER percentage of the tax burden now than they did before they got the tax cuts!! Regardless… new level, old level… they still pay the lions share to keep government running (bottom 50% of wage earners pay ~1 or 2% of the tax burden… bottom 75% pay ~10%). So…. if you give tax cuts…. don’t you have to give it to the people who PAY the taxes???? Or should we give up the pretense and just demand 100% fund transfer on everything over $250K?? Guess how many people would be making over $250K if that were the case??

      • Bob

        Alpha In a couple years we’ll all be picking thru the same dumpsters.

      • Carole Howell

        Woody, a country never reduces taxes during war time, Duh….it is simple math, your debt will grow at a much faster rate with tax cuts at a time when you are quadruplicating your spending…….Duh!

        How daft are you people, it was designed to cripple us, that is how they legitimize their call for reducing social spending. It was designed to cripple us economically and look it worked.

        This is not rocket science here. Does it make sense to you? Hey my expenses are increasing tremendously, so what will I do?, hey, I will cut my hours at work and bring in less money…………yeah is that what we would all do?

        Never before in the history of the world has a government cut taxes while waging a war…..Duh!

        God…We….are….sooo…..dumb. Dumb as bricks..

        Notice our MSM does not even talk about this, not even mentions it and distracts us, so we do not talk about it, and it works, we are so dumb, they lead us around like we have rings in our noses. It works for them like magic. Cause we are so dumb we cannot think ourselves out of a paper bag. We are so sick to allow this. We are doomed, doomed. We cannot see reality when it stares us in the face. Our reality is literally invented for us. We are doomed people, cause we only use the talking points given to us by the gov and MSM, we never come up with any of our own.

      • http://naver samurai

        Carole, you have forgotten one thing also. That is you also don’t cut military spending during a war either. Obama bin Laden has been playing with the absurd idea of cutting our troops paychecks. Why would this man, or anyone else, even think about cutting our troops pay during wartime? We need to reopen many of these posts and increase the number of personnel in our ranks. If you ask about where we can get the money? That’s easy! Just overturn or not fund Osamacare and them you have the money. Don’t you think we need that money for our military personnel pay, equipment, training, weapons, etc., during wartime? They need these things more than government run healthcare for a bunch of slackers! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • See It Through!

      Hey, ALL You Guys! Charity is just that — charity. If I have invested my sweat, time and money in a project that takes off and I get RICH (Bill Gates, eg) and I feel I have a responsibility to help the poor who didn’t chase a dream and invest themselves, GREAT! I’ll give them money out of my pocket. But I’ll also pay about 60% of my earnings in income taxes. My company employs about 2000 people. Because I risked my being to succeed, get rich and gave many others a good livelihood, you say I should be penalized — even more? We are the very people who should be encouraged to succeed, because WE BIULT THIS COUNTRY. Taxes, unions (recently) and self-serving politicians ARE DESTROYING IT, and all belong in the same jar of formalin as a relic of the past as the United States of America COMES ALIVE AGAIN!

      • Tom

        Here! Here!

        I have been preaching to many that the unions are destroying this country. Unions are more corrupt than Washington. Talk about Socialism at its best – look at the unions in America…

        I interviewed my Grandfather (God rest his Soul) many years ago about the depression for an assignment for school. In the conversation, he started to talk about unions. Yes, he said they had a purpose during the early 1900′s. Then the unions became unnecessary, but couldn’t let go of their power. He told me, THIRTY YEARS AGO, that the unions in the United States would be the downfall of this country.

        Boy… wasn’t he right.

      • Bob

        The unions sold out the workers on Nafta after pretending to be against it.

    • http://naver samurai

      Bush, baaaaa! Rich tax cuts, baaaaa! “messiaaaaaaaaaaaaah!” Can you all come up with something other than the same old BS over and over again? Before the Bush tax cuts, I was paying 25% in taxes and now I’m paying 20% and I’m nowhere near being rich. Doc must be attending regular sheeple meetings. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Richard B

    This statement by Obama… told an audience in Cleveland on Sept. 8 that preserving the Bush-era cuts “would have us borrow $700 billion over the next 10 years to give a tax cut of… Only means that the government is spending at least $700 billion more than it should be in that next 10 years.
    They seem to forget that money has not been coming their way for the past 10 years. They shouldn’t spend what they don’t have!!!

    • Pat

      Since he lies about everything, I stopped believing anything he says. He has to go and everything he has done has to go. All the race baiting and class warfare need to go too and a president who belittles and insults whole groups of Americans has to stop. Lots of things have to stop actually. This guy is sooooo bad.

      • bob

        I agree with you that he and all of his cronies need to go. Any president that would put Muslims before Americans needs to be impeached.

      • Mike

        Where were you from 2001 to 2008? In all of these years where were the budget assessment for the wars, the tax cuts and the shipment of our jobs overseas …. Oh! I see don’t talk about and it does not exist. Suffer from the things you were silent about and the things you let happen without giving a response. You and I broke it, lets not punish those that are trying to fix It.

      • Christin

        Quit the having flashbacks, Mike, unless you are tripping on drugs.

        Americans were waking up in Bush’s second term (maybe even during Clinton), but were not organized until the hyper-drive speed was set on explode by your illegal Godless marxist puppet, BO (aka BS) who:

        He doesn’t want the American dream (for you).
        He doesn’t want to follow the Constitution of the US of A.
        He doesn’t want a Christian nation.
        He doesn’t want free market capitalism.
        He doesn’t want the small businesses to succeed.
        He doesn’t want you to own a large private company or make a large salary or even be a CEO unless you are one of his.
        He doesn’t want us to stay united as a people & citzens of this nation.
        He doesn’t want to cut taxes.
        He doesn’t want to secure the borders.
        He doesn’t want to drill for oil, gas and mine coal for independence.
        He doesn’t want Free Speech (shut the conservative news outlets up.)
        He doesn’t want to eliminate the harsh business regulations to bring them back here to be a producing nation again.
        He doesn’t want you to own a gun or weapons for defense. (Wait for the tax April 15th.)
        He doesn’t want the small farmer to produce food or to keep his land.
        He doesn’t want you to have wealth & land, God, guns or gold.
        Heck, he doesn’t even care if you live… see obamacare.

        Now you wake up and join those that will bring back a Christian God-fearing nation, our economy, jobs, pride in our land and peace through strength mentality.

      • Vlad

        You are right, Christin, Husein Obama wants to turn America first to the clueless and helpless Greece, and then to Sudan. Obamunism is just a station on the railroad to serfdom, while the final destination is islamofascism. Otherwise why should he push through 3 weeks ago Sharia Constitution in his native Kenya, where only 12% of population oare Muslims?

      • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

        WOW!!!!! You are right on!!!!!! Lets vote in a real American into office…. Lets vote in someone born in America and that george soros can not buy off.I just went to get my birth certificate and it costs 17 dollars. If obama really has a real American birth certificate then why does he not just show it and be done???? Hey Mr.President, How about keeping some of your big promises like c-span so America can see who is working for the people and who is working against the people.Are you and pelosi and reid so scared the American people might find all you are for a one world order where we all do as we are told and that you have sold us out?????

      • http://naver samurai

        Now that is a very motivating speech christin. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot. FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

      • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

        I am with you….. Lets stop all the racist comments and get on with the truth. If obama does not get his way then the democrats play the race card.Look, If obama had a good policy of anykind then all of America would be for it and no race game would even be mentioned…Lets get back to obamas promises,remember c-span???? If obama and pelosi and reid were on the side of the American people then c-span would be all over the white house so America could see the great job they all are doing. Oh,no c-span tells me obama and pelosi and reid do not want America to see there evil deeds….Lets vote a real American into office,one who loves our great nation.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Richard B… Excellent point! Government spending is way out of control. I still think enacting the fair tax is the only way to go. Abolish the IRS. How much fairer can it be? Everyone pays the same amount of tax on their purchases. That way if Michele deems it necessary to spend $2000.00 on a pair of shoes, she will have to pay the tax on a purchase of $2000.00. My shoes will cost $20.00, so I will pay much less. The elite people who are running our government do not want the fair tax. The IRS has too many loopholes that they or their lawyers use to get out of paying taxes. Support the fair tax. Urge your elected men and women to support a bill for it! Then the rest of the taxes could be abolished…

    • BigBadJohn

      “They shouldn’t spend what they don’t have”

      Agree this is one of the biggest reasons I hated Bush and the republicans, they spent more than all previous presidents combined! Now Obama and the democrats are doing the same thing!

      Plain simple truth – It is the American public’s fault, who would vote for a candidate that ran on a platform of cutting benefits and raising taxes at the same time to pay down the debt?

      • Bweez

        You know, BigBadJ, it has only been through these last two years that I’ve been aware that the Republicans have been so fiscally irresponsible but, it does anger me. I think we should REPLACE every congressperson that has not paid their taxes, has written hot checks (seems to be an epidemic of that one,) taken bribes, or done anything else that the common man/woman would GO TO JAIL FOR! Wouldn’t THAT clean house? But we would give them all what they’re entitled to… fair and speedy trials! Then, we could start on the lobbying industry… THAT is the slimiest bunch of sludge I’ve ever heard about. We’d need a whole bureaucratic wing just to get it done. (Is that an oxymoron?;-) . Hmmmm…I wonder if we could get VOLUNTEERS for the job? VOLUNTEERS ANYONE? (no pay, no bribes and no kickbacks allowed)

      • http://Yahoo Jim

        The unprecidented spending came from a Democratic Congress that was in control while Pres. Bush was in office.

      • BigBadJohn

        Jim, Please check your facts. The republicans controlled both houses and the presidency from 2000 – 2006.

      • Jim H.

        BBJ, The senate was Dem 01&02, then again 07 till now.

      • BigBadJohn

        Jim I stand corrected…

        “The small Republican Majority would last until May 24, 2001 when Republican Senator Jim Jeffords of Vermont left the Republican Party and became an Independent who chose to caucus with the Democrats.”

        The democrats controlled the senate because of ONE republican changing parties to an independent. I don’t think that really counts as democrat controlled. Besides as everyone here likes to point out – only the congress can spend money, and that was republican controlled.

      • Bette P

        The Democrat Congress was in control the last two years of Bush’s term.
        Congress controls the money, not the President unless you are Obama and then you just bypass Congress.

        Obama voted in a lot of this mess the last two years of Bush’s term.

      • BigBadJohn

        Of course you are overlooking the fact that the president has VETO power. What is that everyone complains about Obama, something like “the buck does not stop here”?
        Why do all of the Bush supporters not hold Bush to the same standard? If you did, the doubling of the national debt was all Bush’s fault for not vetoing spending bills….

    • Carole Howell

      Richard B

      Hello, wars are exceedingly expensive, and when you privatize a great portion of them, hey, they get even more expensive. Hello Richard are you in there.

      Check the cost of these wars.

  • Kookie

    Obama’s staffers should be made to pay their back taxes which would really help the economy. Tax relief should be for everone, even the rich. they work for their money too and spend it too. Let’s not be favoring certain groups. Let’s get back to equality.

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      I don’t think a couple of billion dollars will put much of a dent in trillion dollar deficits.

      • Craig

        Yeah why not, doing things that are criminal should be rewarded, not punished. The heck with doing the right thing.

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      Better yet, let’s put them in jail where they belong!

      • Jo

        The penalty for treason is hanging… hang ‘em high!

      • http://naver samurai

        How about a firing squad? I’ve got an M-16 I can use! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Craig

        Personally I like the idea of Seppeku. At least their last act on this earth, would be one of honor. Granted that would also be the first time in their pathetic lives they acted with honor.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Firing squads are for men of honor. Hanging or guilitene is more appropriate.

      • Carole Howell

        Be sure to start with the lying, cheating murders, who went before.

        But even then we will still have the same problems, as our whole system is corrupted, as long as our politicians are bought and paid for by big business, there will be no change.

        Publicly financed elections is the only way. We must work for that and until we get it, we will always lose. We will continue to be robbed and cheated.

      • http://naver samurai

        Ok Carol, we can start with Bill, Hillary, Nancy, Harry, Barbara, Al, Tipper, etc., are these good enough to start with? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Nancy

        That would be too easy of a death, they need to suffer, why not use the sharia law and stone them, they need to feel pain, just like we do now!!

    • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

      obama and pelosi and reid have soldout America. Can you say prayer rug???? America,your tax dollars are building and funding 29 mosques in 18 different countries and no jobs were created for you,just your tax dollars were used.Change,Can you say Change????America,you voted for change without knowing what change you were voting for.OKAY,Americans were scamed.Lets all vote these far left traitors out of office.America,lets take back our great nation!!!!!!Lets force anyone who runs for office to keep there promises.Remember obama promised c-span so America would be able to see who was working for the people and who was working against the people.Since there is no c-span My guess is that obama and reid and pelosi are working against the American people or c-span would be all over the white house so we could all see the great job they were doing… What better way to get voted back in but to show America they are doing all they can for the American people????America,Lets vote these far left anti Americans out of office.

      • Carole Howell

        When Obama said that he thought that would shed some light for the American people on how things work behind closed doors, but he has no power and no way would the powers that be allow that light to be shed. It would be their down fall.

        Take a look at who blocked that idea of everything being made public. It was not Obama. Our presidents no longer have much power, the last real president we had was assassinated. That was the beginning of our puppet system. As with all other nations who have their leader assassinated, the country makes a turn for the worst. ALWAYS

      • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

        Hello Carole, I know you might say that our president does not have much power but I would have to say you need to think again. He is the most powerful person on the planet!!!!!He can veto and create bills to be voted on then sway votes for those bills. We perish for a lack of knowledge!!!!

      • http://Yahoo.com Victor

        ALL you people critizing the President are on the Wrong Track.
        Face the facts. The Republicans caused our Great Depression and Trillion Dollar Deficit.
        Now they are opposing everything the President tries to do to improve the economy and create more jobs = JUST TO TRY TO GAIN CONTROL OF CONGRESS IN NOV. AND ABOLISH EVERYTHING THE PRESIDENT HAS ACCOMPLISHED. Are you all blind? Can*t you see that?
        I am an 85 year old Retired USMC and use my own mind. And I am a Republican, but I despise what the Republicans are doing including Sara Palin and the Tea Party people. They are using the minds of Lobbyists instead of their own as what is Right or Wrong for the People and Country. And they brainwash the people and then you brainwahed people criticize the President. Not very smart.
        The economy is in a mess and it takes time and money to get better and the Republicans and ohers think it can be done by tomorrow. so they use the slow recovey as a weapon to criticize the Democrats. Hogwash.

      • http://naver samurai

        Victor and Carol, can we have something other than the same old tiring rhetoric from the left wing extremists? Please cite your sources. Victor, thanks for your service, I have 20 years. I always though a marine lived by the semper fi code, have you lost that motivation over the years? Well, marine, this fight is about taking our country back to the ways we were founded. Are you with us devil dog? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Nancy

        Carole, you do remember the healthcare bill,that’s Obama’s baby and it sucks big time, pray that you never get sick cause Obamacare won’t lift a finger to help you, he don’t care if your a democrat and voted for him, won’t do you any good…people who voted for this racist muslim sure got fooled and for some stupid reason, you cannot see what he’s doing to us, guess your just a glutton for punishment!

      • a progressive nightmare

        Carole Howell….I bet Bush did it!!!!

        You state that our president doesn’t have any real power??? You mean Oblama convinced the congress to commit political suicide with his radical agenda that WE THE PEOPLE did not want, yet he has no real power? He can over-ride a JUDGE on the ruling in the Gulf but he has no real power? He will not enforce our existing federal laws on immigration but then sues Arizona but has no real power? He has the option to VETO any bill passed through congress but has no real power? He holds the keys to the largest store of nuclear weapons on planet earth but has no real power?

        Are you just a naive progressive or what?

  • s c

    I can’t wait to see how Herr Obummer will penalize himself for being rich. In the event that he doesn’t know how to properly penalize himself, there are millions of fed up Americans who can supply him with a master list of suggestions that include what, how much and why. He does NOT have a clue. He never did.

    • dan az

      joe
      OUCH!

    • Jim H.

      Joe, And no kiss when it’s done.

    • Bruce D.

      In reality Obama will put a heavy tax on everyone at some level. When he taxes Corporations it is a tax on the people as the cost of the product goes up to cover the tax. He is starting to use the word fees now so he does not have to use the word tax. As in most things he refuses to tell his true intent. He wants everyone to believe the top 1% or top top 20% of the population will pay all the taxes. He certainly does not want anyone to know every will pay more directly or indirectly. He needs to keep the figure under 51% of the people who are going to get hosed because he fears he will luse his job if he doesn’t. Many like to believe they are getting a free ride somhow and he plays into that.

      • 45caliber

        Yes, but there will still be enough tax loopholes that he and his friends can continue to pay low taxes – if they don’t simply ignore them.

      • Jan

        Like they do now? How many of his appointees and czars had tax problems — does Geithner come to mind?

      • Carole Howell

        Well those loop holes are supposed to be closed, but seriously, how can we expect to pay for these wars? I hear all the right winger talking about Soc. Sec. and Vet benefits being the problem that is inflating the debt, really?, the wars cost more that all the so-called entitlements put together. Come one people, must we cut every single social program to fund these wars, cut out the foster children programs, cut the income of the elderly just to be able to fund more war?

        Will these people be satisfied when we have homeless children and elderly on the street as a common sight, ragged and starving. What will we say, well it is a free country, they can live that way if they want and then look the other way. As we so often do now.

        We are spiraling downward toward 3rd world status.

        They say only rich people create jobs, so they should continue Bush’s tax cuts. Well people, they have had these tax cuts for 10 years now, where are the jobs. If that was to stimulate the economy, where are the jobs? All we have is the largest gap between the rich and poor than ever before in our history.

        What you want to continue a failed policy. 10 years is a decade.

      • Mack

        You poor delusional girl. When Republicans controlled Congress, we had low unemployment, High stock market, everyone was making money, because everone had a job! Democrats gained control ofthe Congress Nov. ’06. It took less than 2 years for them to wreck the economy, with Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, forcing Fanny Mae, and Freddy Mac to make loans to people who could not make the payments. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid over spending and increasing government beuracracy. They only needed Barack to join them to finish the job. Your statement about wars costing all the money is also untrue. Obama bailouts (which did nothing for the economy)cost more,leveraging your great grandkids future into infinity!

      • Lubo

        Carole….. Once again in your typical liberal style, you state things as facts and nothing could be further from the truth. Just the accumulative unfunded liabilities of all the “Progressive” entitlement programs to date , which is somewhere around 100 TRILLION +, could fund every American war to date, many times over!!!! You think maybe this is why our FOUNDERS warned us about this and set up our system as a REPUBLIC?

        You seem to fail to understand basic mathematics, a trend that I see thoughout the progressive mindset. I don’t know if it is a lack of IQ, honesty or just plain common sense? The fact is, YOUR PROGRESSIVE SYSTEM has bankrupt this country! It is nothing more than a DUMB PONZI scheme that could never be sustained in the first place. Anyone with an ounce of basic math skills or common sense could run the numbers and realize that this will not work, cannot work and never has anywhere on the PLANET. The results are ALWAYS the same, TRILLIONS of DOLLARS of debt left for the next generation to pay for! Who cares, right? It’s all about you in the NOW, isn’t it?

        Bottom line, you take things from people you do not know and you redistribute it to someone you have never met. How convenient! Then you walk around with your chest out PROUD of what you have done for your fellow man. It’s easy spending other folks hard earned money and then taking credit for a deed well done, now isn’t it!

        Since CHRIST JESUS didn’t demand that we give, then what makes you think you can? You think you are wiser than GOD? You think GOD will reward you for TAKING others folks hard earned money and redistributing it to the poor? Are you Robin Hood or the tax man? Both should have a very BAD day when they meet our FATHER IN HEAVEN.

        I personally will stick to GOD’s plan and give to whom my heart leads me too, if it is OK with you, and the ALL-Omnipotent progressives who give very little of their OWN money to the poor. Again, how convenient and how BIG of you to demand things from people you do not know and redistribute it to someone you have never met all in the name of “Social Justice” or “Collective Salvation”. Your earthly philosphy flies in the FACE of GOD THE FATHER because you attempt to usurp HIS POWER,GLORY and WISDOM, cleverly cloaked in your marxist intentions for AMERICA.

        Let me make a suggestion to you, you EARN your money and you do with it whatever your little heart desires and leave my business to me! What I do with my money is none of your concern nor should you or anyone in the federal government have ANY control over it!

        How about a national sales tax where ALL AMERICANS participate in the AMERICAN DREAM, not just a few hard workers picking up the tab for a bunch of lazy dope smoking slackers or other 3rd generation welfare folks who do nothing but eat, gain more weight, have more illegitimate babies and then BITCH about AMERICA.

      • Denniso

        The Bush tax cuts of 8 or nine yrs ago had the expiration date written
        into the legislation. The Repubs pretend they are concerned about the debt,yet they stand up proudly for renewing the tax cuts for the top 2% of Americans which will add about $700 billion to the debt…The gap between rich and poor in our country widened in the past 10 yrs w/ wages for working people stagnating, and the Repubs think the rich need to continue getting their tax cut? Ridiculous!! They are also lying about small biz being hurt by the allowing of the tax cut for the rich to expire…absurd again! Almost no actual small biz has a net profit above a quarter million $$. Small biz people don’t usually pay themselves much in direct salary as they can get deductions for travel,cars,expenses. If the owner of a business has a taxable income of over $250,000, then she/he is one of the rich and can afford a few more thousand in taxes ea year.

      • Ozel01

        Yes, delusional would be quite on track. Here are some accurate numbers for you. Social Security and Medicare (B4 the Obamacare fiasco) held UNFUNDED MANDATES of $105 trillion. Iraq War in its entirity, according to numbers published by the CBO on Aug 30 2010, cost $709 Billion. The Afghanistan War has cost somewhere around $350 Billion. These two wars in their entirity don’t come close to touching the nearly $3 trillion in spending we have had the last two years. The U.S. deficit for fiscal year 2010 is expected to be $1.3 trillion, according to CBO. That compares to a 2007 deficit of $160.7 billion and a 2008 deficit of $458.6 billion, according to data provided by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget. In 2007 and 2008, the deficit as a percentage of gross domestic product was 1.2 percent and 3.2 percent, respectively. Relative to the size of the economy, this year’s deficit is expected to be the second largest shortfall in the past 65 years; 9.1 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), exceeded only by last year’s deficit of 9.9 percent of GDP. Now what exactly were you arguing for? More spending on borrowed money and time? Currently, .43 cents per every dollar spent by the government is borrowed money. Well, that may be down a little now as China and others have started to put the brakes on the national credit line.

      • denniso

        You’re using numbers for the wars that are direct costs, and the wars are not over yet. Everyone agrees that the total cost of each will be around a trillion dollars,at least, and that doesn’t include the 40 or 50 yr cost of med care for all the injured and maimed.

        Bush almost exactly doubled the national debt in his terms from 5 to 10 trillion dollars. The crash began under Bush and he rightly began the very necessary bailouts and support for the financial sector…Obama continued on the same path that almost ALL economists said was vital to prevent a serious global depression.Obama also extended unemployment benefits and helped states remain solvent in order to mitigate the disaster and control it.

        The stock market is up by 65% from it’s low of 6700 after the crash. If Bush and Obama had done nothing,like the Repubs want, we would most probably be in a deep depression that would make the ’29 depression look like a picnic.

        This was the biggest collapse since the Great Depression and even w/ help the economy can’t just bounce back. I’m amused when people w/ no economics education actually think they know precisely what we should have done for the recession…

      • thinking

        Speaking of the rich, do you know that more democrates are rich then republicans in congress? Do you think rich democrates will pay more? They have so many thinking they will take from the rich (themself) and give to the poor, yet the poor blame the problems on republicans because democrates say they will tax the rich more. Where in this country is this right to attack and take from the successful? There will be two classes in this country, the poor and the government. Time to change this! out with Obama

      • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

        Nice,You hit the nail on the head!!!!!! Obamas team does not pay all there taxes and have plenty of investments outside of the U.S.A. and george soros will payoff anyone who tries to make obama show his real birth certificate.geoege soros owns the oil exploration company that obama just gave a 10 billion dollar contract to explore for oil off of brazil while cutting off jobs in the gulf for Americans.Obama and pelosi and reid cut the water to 50,000 farm workers and farms in northern california and said some 2 inch delta smelt could go extinct. How come pelosi gets all the water she wants for her multi million dollar northern california vineyards but our farmers stand in a food line? We can raise 2 inch delta smelt on one acre of delta water by the millions so obama and reid and pelosi value smelt over the peolpe of America.When will America wake up and vote these far left democrats out of office.America,obama and pelosi and reid have sold us out.

      • Carole Howell

        Oh! yeah guyb,
        Lets put all republicans back into power, that will work. And when it only gets worse, what will you say then, guyb? I know you will blame Obama during their whole term.

        As long as big business runs this nation, nothing will change, does not matter what party APPEARS to be running things.

      • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

        Hello Carole, What I want is for our president to be held to the same standards they hold us to. I want a president who was born in America. Why do you think he will not show his birth certificate and george soros has to buy off anyone who asks him for it?Obama promised c-span so all of America can see who is working for the people and who is working against the people. I guess no c-span after his big promise means he does not want America to see our president and pelosi and reid have been selling us out. What better way to get re-elected than to have c-span to show us all him and pelosi and reid are fighting for America? If you lie to congress its a felony, If congress lies to the American people they get a raise!!!!!

      • Arlene

        Since Osama blames EVERYTHING that is wrong on George Bush, it’s only fair for us to blame that un-American, lying, facist, for something… right??????

      • a progressive nightmare

        Carole……Not to worry my little liberal friend. The progressive nightmare is about to come to an end, this november. If we can elect enough common sense conservatives, then you will see this country get put back on tract, quickly, very quickly. Notice I made no reference to the Dems or the GOP. Bottom line, “It’s the spending Stupid!” and anyone who has participated in this money printing and spending scheme is GUILTY of stupidity, regardless of party affiliation.

      • Lubo

        guyb…..Well PUT!!! BEA-UTI-MUS!!!!

    • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

      Look,Obama will not have to pay the same as other rich people. There are many countries that have put in place swiss style banking systems where you can have an account and no one knows you have it. How do you think george soros and other wealthy types buy off our elected officals. They get uncontested contracts and recieve billions of dollars and it is easy to through lots of payoff money to those who send it there way….Why do you think there is no c-span to show America who is working for who???? I know Obama promised c-span,but that was to get our votes. Obama and pelosi and reid can not let c-span in the white house or we would all know that the far left democrats are not for the American people.

      • Bruce D.

        guyb,
        Between the War on Terror and The War on Drugs banks have fallen under Americn dominance all over the world. The IRS is beginning to exert its influence over those who have foreign accounts. It is not wide open like it was in the past. The rich do have legal foundations to shield some of their wealth. The rich along with those making over 250,000 a year pay most of the income tax in this country so they are paying taxes. Locally if someone has a 5 million dollar house he may be paying $75,000 a year in property tax. To say the rich to not pay taxes is really just class warfare and not based in any reality.

    • EddieW

      Obummer, the great liar will peddle more lies, when they already have a tax increase of over 20% that’s going to happen in Jan!!! he’s afraid a few of his Dem’s will lose their seats, because of his misdeeds!!! and they dern well better..they are totally corrupt!!
      They will not settle for less than taxing us of 90% of our income!!! Then we all be poor!!!

      • campfire

        Your right Eddie W on the liar part but from my position I don’t think he is very good at it. This is the only part of his campaign is transparant.
        If one can’t tell what a liar he is we are in deep do do.

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