I’m sure all employees working for the military, like Blackwater, Inc., are under some kind of military regulation. The First Amendment restricts ‘Congress,’ but if those UCMJ codes were authorized (or OK’d) by Congress, the part that restricts what they can say would be unconstitutional. “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech.”

Robert,your reasoning that being gay wouldn’t be an issue, if everyone knew who was gay, assumes that everyone would accept homosexuality as just another way of life. In our beginnings, America was built on the Bible’s concept of right and wrong. Everything the Bible said was a ‘sin’ became a ‘crime’ in our law. Until the recent Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas, every state had laws that penalized homosexual acts. This was based upon Leviticus 20:13, which states that such acts are a capital offense, and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, where angels of the Lord enforced that law. While such acts are now legal, here, that background belief of right and wrong is still with American Christians.

I remember the last thread a man maned Munir told me that the world will look a lot different when I die then it does now. I agreed with him on that. This country will be brought back to the ways of our Christian Founding Fathers. It will be set back on the right path, you know the one that leads to salvation and not death (like the libs want to do). It will seek to have all God fearing patriots raise up and cleanse this nation of what ails it. It’ll seek out the libs, gays, baby killers, marxists, commies, and those who believe in false faiths and rid them from our society. We can once again become the beacon of liberty, without the libs and others, oppressing the average American. You can challenge me all you want, say bad things to me, etc., but the patriots on this site know what is at stake here, it’s our country! GOD BLESS AMERICA! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Nope, but I do think that this country should do like it says in I and II Kings in the Bible. Try reading it sometime.

From samurai: >>>This country will be brought back to the ways of our Christian Founding Fathers.<<<

Blacks were slaves.

Women couldn't vote.

There were no restrictions on drugs.

Blood letting was a common treatment (and some say it killed George Washington)

One could get a baby delivered for a chicken except that generally the woman was in way more danger than today giving birth.

BTW, were you aware that when old outhouses were excavated in Alexandria, VA, that fetuses were found? Some of them were full term.

Ahhhhh yes, the good old days according to samurai.

Rob

Hate is NOT a family value.

Rob

samurai says: >>>but the patriots on this site know what is at stake here<<<

Let me guess: Witches

Rob

Oral sex and sodomy are different.

Sodomy is forceful penetration and oral sex isn’t. If you need oral sex to get off, as it were, you must not respect your wife or boyfriend in your case.

I want to know what Gamority is. Am I missing something?

Rob

I still don’t know who this person you call me is. Such childish behavior. I’m just stating my opinion and facts, when I choose to post them. You’re going down!

Still don’t know who this person is, but if you like going down on a man you must be gay! Sorry dude, but I love my wife too much to do that immoral lifestyle. I also forgot, you don’t have one. Is your right hand getting to be tired after all these years of using it for enjoyment?

From 45: >>>I don’t like it when a hetrosexual talks about sex at work – and I have told them so. <<<

I don't like it when christians talk about their religion at work – and I have told them so.

Rob

Sorry that was count on you could stop laughing sorry!

Hi Randy,

Posted: >>>But, now they’ve become this protected group, like a race or ethnicity, just because of a behavior they choose! <<<

Really! And when did you "choose" to be straight?

Is there ANYTHING that might tempt you to do something with gay sex? Open your hand, what would someone have to put in it to get you to open your mouth?

BTW, as a guy I've had oral sex with women. YES! Shock of shockes, heterosexuals have oral sex! Does that make me a lesbian? After all, we are doing the same thing. Is she queer if she makes me feel good?

Rob

Gee, that statement just made no sense whatsoever. I don’t care what you do with your sheep girlfriend, knock the nonsense off.

Sorry rob and guy, but you are born straight. Being gay is when satan enters your heart and gets you to do unnatural things. Being gay may be someone choosing to do such, but they will pay in the end for it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I believe that one reason they are insisting in “respect for their lifestyle” so much is that they do not believe that God created man; they believe man created God.

And they believe that if man can be forced to accept their lifestyle, so will God – so they won’t go to H*ll after they die.

I don’t think man is going to change God by trying to change God’s rules. In fact, I believe that those who try are going to end up in the same place as the gays do – and none will enjoy it.

Been busy today, eh, RS? I’m tempted to toss some very pointed remarks in your direction, but I’ll leave that for readers who have better religious credentials than mine.
Have a nice day, and be prepared for some angles you never considered.

sc
I think its time for I41!

Bzzzzz wrong again, moron! You say 10% of the earth’s population is gay or have gay tendencies? Cite your source! Cite your source or leave the site. We’re tired of all the lies that you have put on these sites. You really didn’t have the balls to serve, you’re gay, a baby killer, lib, marxist fool! This great country needs to cleanse itself of fools like you and get back to the ways of our Christian Founding Fathers. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I don’t know who this person is, but you have a lot of room to talk. But this is no problem. I’ve something special in store for you!

I really hope you did, but I want to warn you that I have a notebook sided folder of stuff against you, or is it proud american, 4america, seriously, omg, elaine, the list goes on and on, give it a rest! Your hear to stir the waters and are not a patriot at all.

Do you really want to know? Okay, I’ll tell you. If a superior and a private are lovers (man/man, or man/woman) if one gets into danger in a battle, the superior can and has sacrificed others to try to get their lover out of danger. I saw it happen in Vietnam and I understand the Israeli army no longer places women in danger for the same reason.

You wanted to know. There it is.

Further, the real problem is not whether the gay person is known to be gay or not; it is his influence on morale and his ability to proposition other soldiers. I’ve served with good gay soldiers – I didn’t talk about sex and neither did they. On a “don’t ask, don’t tell” basis, they followed the rule before it became a rule.

But if a straight soldier keeps getting propositioned, particularly by a superior who could easily send him into an impossible position for refusing sex, the straight soldier gets upset. He will either disobey orders in battle (which can cause a lot of deaths) or he simply waits for the right time to shoot the gay person. In either case, you do not have soldiers defending other soldiers as is necessary for a solid unit.

From 45: >>> If a superior and a private are lovers<<>> it is his influence on morale<<>>his ability to proposition other soldiers.<<>>I’ve served with good gay soldiers – I didn’t talk about sex and neither did they.<<>>But if a straight soldier keeps getting propositioned,<<>> He will either disobey orders in battle (which can cause a lot of deaths) or he simply waits for the right time to shoot the gay person.<<<

Suggestion: Change the word "gay" to black. See how really dumb the stuff you make up is?

Rob

Practice what you little lib brain preaches, moron!

Using “black” doesn’t change things as far as I can see. I served with some good black soldiers too. And Latin. And white. And Asian. And American Indian. Unfortunately, I served while they were still drafting people (I volunteered) and most of the draftees were liberals who were too terrified to actually try to protect you. They wouldn’t even protect themselves. That is one of the real reasons they gave up the draft.

45 says: >>> That is one of the real reasons they gave up the draft.<<<

Nope. Too many mothers, fathers, and wives, were having their kids killed for no good reason. That was a large voting block.

The end of the draft was political. In fact, that's why they are sending folks out today for two, three, sometimes four tours. They just won't do the draft.

Rob

Rob:
Tell me, do you WANT to place gay soldiers in a place where they are in danger of their lives? You say that gay soldiers might be in danger from their own side as it is. Yet you say that they should be able to tell the world that they are gay. You make no sense to me unless you want them to be killed. Giving them the right to tell everyone is NOT protecting them!

45
I think he is bisexual!

45 asks: >>>Tell me, do you WANT to place gay soldiers in a place where they are in danger of their lives? <<<

No, I don't. But for those who volunteer so that others may follow, just as some blcks were first to integrate, I think they are incredibly brave and heroic to stand up to the hate and bigotry.

BTW, I don't think having bogots, bullies, and in general creeps in our armed forces serving with kids can be a good thing for them. I'd rather see THEM leave the military.

Rob

You keep bringing up African Americans a lot, are you African American or your wife/boyfriend?

Rob;

Unless things have really changed (which I doubt since I know others including my daugter in the military today) there may be a few “creeps”, etc. in the service. And they get rid of them as they are identified. That’s one reason they have the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. It’s to help get rid of such people.

The military is a group who MUST have a strong bond to protect each other who’s sole purpose is to protect the country 24/7. They can get some time off to relax but relaxation is done only when you get time off in a safe place.

Unfortunately, too many people seem to believe the military is made up of deviants and also believe it should be a sex club. Try getting caught having sex (any sort) in the military and see what happens!

Incidently, I do not believe you ever served in the military. I know what military soldiers do and say. You don’t. Further, I suspect you are a paid agitator AND are gay yourself despite what you say. Only those who are gay have all the arguments down as pat as you do.

Christians don’t want them dead, you moron! If you want to know about something like that, you need look no farther than Obama bin Laden’s brothers of the muslim faith. They kill people they know to be gay, so what’s your point, moron? Being gay in the military, I agree with you 45 and have seen it myself, brings down morale, unit effectiveness, and cohesion. You’re just a lying lib who didn’t have the balls to serve this great country of ours. If you did serve, then post a copy of your DD214 and I’ll believe you. No gays, baby killers, commies, or libs in my platoon! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

From 45 (is it OK if I use just your first name)… >>>If you make it legal for a gay person to proposition me every time he wishes, you have taken away my freedom to say no and have it accepted. <<<

Really! If I had a dime everytime someone told me I should be christian I would have retired fairly well off several years ago.

How's 'bout getting rid of those pickets at clinics, 45? After all, they've been hanging out for over 20 years, but what about the "freedom" of all those who work there? Why do they have to listen to all those megaphones? BTW, if they are only preying why are those megaphones needed? Is the christian god so hard of hearing? Maybe they should go to his house to prey where it's quiet.

Rob

This is way off of the sunject so can we go back to it, moron? My wife has sent a letter to Governor Mitch Daniels of Indiana, giving him an idea of how to handle the abortion problem.

1. A person is considered alive at the day of conception.
2. Forward (give) to that person the protection and benefits of the state of Indiana.
3. Give to that person the rights of life, liberty, the persuit of happiness and all rights under the U. S. and Indiana Constitutions.
4. If the woman in question doesn’t want the child, give the child at a chance for a life. Let the child be adopted by mature, rational adults that would raise the child as their own.

These are the ways things are done in her country, but they can be done that way here also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai says…

>>>1. A person is considered alive at the day of conception.<<>>2. Forward (give) to that person the protection and benefits of the state of Indiana.<<>>3. Give to that person the rights of life, liberty, the persuit of happiness and all rights under the U. S. and Indiana Constitutions.<<>>4. If the woman in question doesn’t want the child, give the child at a chance for a life. Let the child be adopted by mature, rational adults that would raise the child as their own.<<<

hey samurai, I saw in a movie that Arrrrrnold got pregant once. Danny Diveto was part of the movie too. Why don't you stand outside a women's clinic and volunteer to carry one of the early term Baaaaabeyyyyyys? She gets it out of her and you can volunteer!

Rob

Rob, rob, rob, what a whine! Would you like some cheese to go with that whine? It’s not getting the baby out of her, moron, it’s called giving birth. There’s a big difference! If a woman has a child and doesn’t want or can’t keep the child, then give the child a right at a life and be adopted. You never know, that child could grow up to be president one day. As far as my adopting the child, go for it. Another son or daughter of the Samurai. Another future leader and not a pile of crap like you! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai says: >>>You never know, that child could grow up to be president one day. <<<

Or another Rob.

If it's so important why don't you volunteer to incubate it after it is concieved? I'm sure that if science were allowed to do the research they could come up with something.

Rob

samurai says: >>>1. A person is considered alive at the day of conception.<<<

So is a cockroach "alive." What's your point?

BTW, L. Ron Hubbard can be seen getting brain waves from a tomato plant. Check out: http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/bfm14.htm

Rob

Rob

samurai says: >>>My father, who served 32.5 years and 3 tours of Vietnam, told me: “A good leader doesn’t allow his personal feelings or beliefs to interfere with his good judgement.”<<<

So, your personal feelings and beliefs about gays shouldn't be a factor. Listen to your father, samurai.

Rob

Robert is such a fool! First, there were no gays in my unit. Second, as I have stated earlier I treated all my soldiers fairly no matter how different they may be (race, religion, etc…). Third, I suggest that you do the same thing when it comes to your beliefs with illegal drugs, euthinasia (suicide), baby killing, gay lovers, etc., before you start casting stones. You’re the one that’s been attacking people because they believe differently than you, moron! At least we are one the side of the majority and are trying to take back this country from dirtbags like YOU. Show me some references to being gay mentioned in the Constitution, there are NONE! You can cry the 14th Amendment all you want, but we know that the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments deal with freeing the slaves, giving them citizenship, and the right to vote. I suggest that you reall try to study before you post! Ooops! I forgot again that a marxist, gay lover, baby killing, lib can’t really study or think. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Sorry “guy”, but we both know that the ways of the modern libs and of our founding fathers are very different in many areas. They wouldn’t have tolerated abortion, illegal drugs, gays, hand outs, etc., so I just don’t know why you bring your rhetoric to this site and waste our time? Since you think your so smart, tell me which founding father(s) would be happy with the way the country is now. Remember, they instilled their beliefs in the founding of this country. You are right that God, Lord, Jesus, etc., are not mentioned in the Constitution, but if you really read and study it, you’ll see that they have written the Constitution and instilled their beliefs in it. If you don’t believe me, just read Washington’s farewell address and many others written by our founding fathers. It is true that we have a president and not a Pope or pastor as the head of our country, but to deny the very foundation that they built this country on is absurd.
FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

From samurai: >>>First, there were no gays in my unit.<<>> Second, as I have stated earlier I treated all my soldiers fairly no matter how different they may be (race, religion, etc…).<<>>Third, I suggest that you do the same thing when it comes to your beliefs with illegal drugs, euthinasia (suicide), baby killing, gay lovers, etc., before you start casting stones.<<>> You’re the one that’s been attacking people because they believe differently than you<<<

Nope. I don't encourage killings at abortion clinics, I don't picket there, I don't picket at the funerals of our soldgers claiming that they are dead because there are gays in America, I don't advocate that you change your life in any way except to let those loving couples who want to get married regardless of their sex.

BTW, can you explain how same sex couples will impact your life? If they lived next door what change would you make? If they got the same tax adavantages you get would that may any difference in your life? If they went to the same grocery store would that make any difference in your life? What if they got a cable subscription? Would that change your life?

What about you kids? Will they marry the poodle next door on the other side? Do you really need a "law" to stop them from doing that? What kind of a parent are you that others need to be punished so you can bring your kids up?

Rob

CJM I’M SICK AND TIRED OF THOSE A&& HOLES SHOVING THIER PREVERTED WAYS DOWN MY THROAT MARRIAGE IS ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN NOTHING ELSE IF THAT HOW THEY LIVE THEN DON’T BRAGGEN HOW GOOD THEY ARE

J.M.R. declares: >>> MARRIAGE IS ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN NOTHING ELSE IF <<<

For you and anyone who chooses it. You can certainly have it you way, but what about "freedom" in America. Seems to me that you have yours and if you don't like it others can't get theirs.

Rob

Your pulling straws with that remark!

The Defense of Marriage Act is the law of the land, so get over it. One man and one woman. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

CJM is just another lib, atheist, gay lover on this site. Pay no attention to the fool and he’ll go away. Remember, the lawa of the land is “The Defense of Marriage Act” passed during the Clinton administration. The law of the land is that marriage is between one man and one woman. Look it up sometime. That’s even the way marriage is described in the Bible as a man and a woman. What about these things do you not understand? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

from samurai: >>>>the lawa of the land is “The Defense of Marriage Act” passed <<<

And the law will be changed either thorugh more legislation or thorough the SCOTUS where the bad law taking equality away from gays is struck down.

Just like the laws were changed that allowed blacks to marry whites.

Rob

Just like Obama bin Laden care will be struck down too after November’s elections. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

READ ABOVE

Actually, you’re wrong moron! Christianity has been part of our laws since this country was founded by our Christian Founding Fathers. The Defense of Marriage Act is the law of the land, so get over it. One man and one woman is what is recognized by the laws of our land. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai says: >>> The Defense of Marriage Act is the law of the land, so get over it.<<<

Bad laws, like those that support slavery and other abuses, MUST be overturned by the SCOTUS.

BTW, Roe v. Wade is the law, so get over it.

BTW, blacks are in the military. It's the law. So, get over it.

Divorce is the law so get over it.

Assisted suicide in Oregon is the law so get over it.

Medical pot is the law in a bunch of states so get over it.

It's OK to burn a bible (although in very bad taste) so I'm wondering when some muslum will get the idea… In America it's a free speech thing, so get over it, samurai.

Rob

Since the Defense of Marriage Act is the law of the land, I’m sure you’ll agree that going against the law is a crime and the person/persons responsible should be punished. Do you believe that? Then why do you support these people, who live freakish lifestyles, and say its OK to marry, though it is illegal? In Indiana it’s illegal to do this action and people have been arrested for performing such actions (marriages). Since you symathize with them and are trying to help the, maybe we should have the police come and kick your door in. Wrestle you to the ground and slap the cuffs on you. Take you to jail and stick you in a 6 x 6 cell full of your friendly neighborhood rump rangers and see how you deal with that situation. I gaurantee you’ll have more than just your eyes and mind opened. You know the old saying: “Bend over, grab your ankles, and prepare for impact!” Defense of Marriage Act is the law of the land – Get over it!
FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Rob:
I agree. Bad laws should be repealed. Let’s start with Oblamacare and the stimulus packages. Then we can move on to elimination of some agencies that no longer try to fulfill their original use – like Education and Homeland Security. We can also eliminate all the laws that are designed to give certain minorities special privileges. And I can think of a lot more as well.

samurai is at it again: Since the Defense of Marriage Act is the law of the land, I’m sure you’ll agree that going against the law is a crime and the person/persons responsible should be punished.; Do you believe that? Then why do you support these people, who live freakish lifestyles, and say its OK to marry, though it is illegal?<<<

It isn't illegal by many state laws, and it isn't illegal by many religious laws for that matter either.

If you support state's rights then get those awful laws off the books. Get federal recognition for what the states are doing. IOW same sex couples need federal recognition for taxes, government retirement, etc.

Rob

Rob

Pay no attention to this ranting lib waste of skin. He’s just upset that, due to the laws of the land, he can’t be with his boyfriend. Like you said before, all bad laws need to be thrown out. How about abortion, Osamacare, cap and trade, U.N. small arms treaty, etc., can we start with these and see what happens? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai says: >>>Christianity has been part of our laws since this country was founded by our Christian Founding Fathers. <<<

Since you are demanding references can you show us ANYTHING from the christian bible in our Constitution that relates to behavior?

Rob

MARTER? P l e a s e ! Hey, folks, we have a card-carrying progressive in our midst. RS, at
least take the time to buy yourself a good dictionary (that big book that tells you what words mean and how to spell them).
Public education sure works! Especially when you don’t take the time to correct yourself or try to better yourself. Buck up, bunky. With your credentials, you could be a highly-paid union teacher (or is the right word a teecher?). Zowie!

Oh, my! Putting up a cross is a sign of violence among the Christians! Just like blowing yourself and a dozen others to bits as the Muslims do! Right!

I think you need a refresher course in what is violent and what isn’t.

Hi 45: >>>Putting up a cross is a sign of violence among the Christians!<<<

Actually there used to be video of a nun jamming at the eyes of someone going into a women's clinic. She was in her habbit and everything. And the language! My goodness, after many years in the USN it even turned my ears red.

And I consider the cross burning by the KKK to be extremely inspirational for violence.

Rob

Cite your source for the nun video, moron!

I did cite SEVERAL sources and somehow it was deleted.

Hmmmm, I wonder… Was I censored?

Rob

Cite them again. I hope they are not some left wing extremist video from youtube.

Robert Smith – I don’t know how many times it’s been posted by folks, I remember Dave H being one of the first to mention it but multiple links in posts doesn’t work with the filters of most reputable sites as a rule – so they automatically get treated like spam.

OMG! Guy has disappeared off of radar. Well, good riddence!

Rob, why are you so far out in left field that you’re in the parking lot? First, we know you didn’t serve, so get over it. Second, the Air Force Academy only built those things because of pressure put on it by political and special interest groups. If you don’t know that, then you are just “blowing smoke”, another military saying. Please take you atheist, baby killing, gay lover self off of this site and let the really intelligent people stay. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I don’t know who this person who keep naming is, but you should know that there are laws against giving out personal info on the net. I suggest that you stop calling me someone else or maybe that person will have the police and immigration kick in your door. It’s just a thought of what this person may do if your not careful. If I was you, I’d really be watching my back.

From samurai: >>> If I was you, I’d really be watching my back.<<<

That's real christian of you samurai. Thanks for such a fine example.

Rob

Joe
He’s from sanfranthisco what else is there?

Dan az, if I was in a tacky mood, I’d say the name of that California ‘judge’ is RithaRony, the Thanfranthithco Treat.’ But I’m not, so I won’t.
For me, it’s enough to know that insanity can be predictable, especially when progressives and other assorted retards need an activist judge so they can try and further contaminate and destroy the Constitution. This is what they do, folks.

SC,
“…further contaminate and destroy the Constitution.”??????

“…No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive ANY PERSON (emphasis added)…equal protection of the laws.” Amendment 14.

Now you may not want to accept the fact that gays in our country are citizens, and are therefore entitled to all the rights and privileges that you and I enjoy. But how do YOU get around them not being “persons” as described in the Constitutional language quoted above?

Thanks sc I needed that!

From s c: >>>so they can try and further contaminate and destroy the Constitution. <<<

And just what in the Constitution is against gays in the military?

On the contrary I suspect that equality under law would offer them the same opportunities as anyone else is what is Constitutional.

Rob

Its unfair to “retards” to call this guy a “retard”. “Reatards” can be reasoned with. Gliberal judges can’t. They think burning korans puts our troops at risk. Wait ’til the islamofascists find out that their “allies” include a bunch of rump-riders. Wait ’til the REAL men and women start quitting the military in droves to keep from being subjected to the sexual harassment which will undoubtedly occur, as the rump-riders & muffin-munchers find themselves surrounded by the finest men an women America has in her inventory. This is a disaster in the making just to pander to the perverse and wholly reversible chosen perverse behaviors of a tiny few of a tiny few who actually WILL serve. TGFFF (Thank God For “Friendly Fire”)

Guess what!

It wasn’t a “liberal” who came up and pointed out the risks to our troops with a moslum book barbique.

It was Bush’s choice: General David Petraeus, commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan

BTW, why haven’t American troops made it dangerous for terrorists when the home village of those creeps burns an American flag or bible? They sure are quick to pick on them there “liberals” who are most often teenagers or college students but when it comes to adults they just don’t seem to want to go after ‘em.

Oh… Wasn’t it the right wingers who wanted to make that type of demonstration illegal? They even tried to get an ammendment that would punish (dumb… I don’t think it’s proper) Americans for there right of free speech.

But whne it comes to creeps over there who are burning our flag and want to kill us or be killed, I think we should obloge a few of them.

Rob

Bob have you ever served in the military? You act as if you have not! Let me tell you sir, I preceive that maybe you may be a little on the queer side due to your support of this garbage w/Homo’s in the military! TRUTH is sir, they do manifest themselves in the military, YES…THEY Do! People of that queer nature do make themselves known; that is thru sessions of sodomy in life jacket lockers and sleeping in vacant staterooms and love relationship spats. I even witnessed a killing on board ship. People do KNOW these men and woman, so if you have never been in the military or just won’t acknowledge this then I suggest you “SHUT UP” till you do! This sort of behavior lessons the commaraderie and bonding among troops that is needed to form a TEAM of elite fighters and troops. There is none of that w/a queer amongst these people! I KNOW, SIR, I sopent 30 years in the U.S. Navy, I saw the queer Ensign and the Queer Lt and the queer Seman oh yeah, I speak from experience. That Ensign said to me some remarks I would have beat the hell out of him had i been in civilian cloths! So join the military and see, them comment!

First, Homer, thanks for your service. Second, thanks for putting people like DL (above) in their place. Anyone who hasn’t been in the military is a theoretician who lives in a glass bubble. It may be ‘comfy,’ but it’s not reality. And, sooner or later, someone will shatter that bubble.
My earlier comment was aimed at that half-baked ‘judge.’ People like DL will never understand. He lives in a pc world where der fuhrer must be obeyed at all times. PC is a dual form of stupidity and insanity. I choose not to be swayed by those who gladly ‘bend over’ and accept that form of insane, airhead “enlightenment.”

Hi Homer,

Yup, I was in the USN for four years as a PH. Joined the Navy because I was drafted and didn’t want to get shot at. After A school I was at NPC near D.C. for awhile and then went with VS-31 on the Intrepid for several cruises out of Quanset Point.

I ran into a few gay bashers during my time and I always thought that they were denying their own issues. Anyway I stayed away from them, not because I was worried or gay myself, but because they were so darn unpleasent to be around. IMO Some lifers were just so screwed up they wouldn’t have made it in the civilian world.

On the other hand the few gays I did meet were very professional and respectful of others.

Rob

No you didn’t. Just another lib trying to pass themselves off as a patriot!

Hey Homer,

Did you hear about the gay whale that bit the end of one of our subs? It sucked all the seamen out.

Rob

Boy, talk about a gay joke! And a poor one at that!

Hey Robert,

Thats a good one.

That’s an old one. About as old as your breath!

Yes, the Dead Sea was only sick when I first heard it.

Rob

That makes no sense.

Homer, I agree. The reason the military prefers the “don’t ask, don’t tell” is that if a gay person becomes too much of a problem, they can get rid of them. If they cause no trouble, then they are accepted.

Yes, Like RS, I’ve been propositioned by women – but when I say no, that’s the end of it. With many gays, that isn’t the end; they constantly harrass you everywhere you go. They insist that because you say no you are a threat to them. Those type (and they certainly don’t make up the majority of gay people) are the type that the military wants to insure don’t get in the military and cause problems. The military has too many problems already; they want to avoid as many other problems as possible.

45caliber says: >>>With many gays, that isn’t the end; they constantly harrass you everywhere you go. <<<

There are heterosexual stalkers too. It's an ongoing complaint women in the military have.

Rob

45 says: >>> if a gay person becomes too much of a problem, they can get rid of them.<<<

And what about a KKK bigot who is threatening blacks?

What about the guys who go home and beat up the little woman just because he got a little drunk?

What about the ones who kill someone because they were driving drunk?

Rob

Sorry tob, but these groups have nothing to do with the gays. Please try to stick to the subject at hand.

Ah samurai… I see you are only looking for excuses to bash gays and other bad folks escape your attention. Sure looks bigoted to me, but hey… That appears to be what floats your boat.

Did you know that when a homophobic is approached by a gay person and they become so indignant that it may be because they really do want to go off with them? They are afraid they can’t just say no.

Homophobia
From Wikipedia
>>>Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer, and in some cases transgender and intersex people. Definitions refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear.[1][2][3]. Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination[1][2] and violence on the basis of a perceived non-heterosexual orientation. In a 1998 address, author, activist, and civil rights leader Coretta Scott King stated that “Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood.”[4]

Among more discussed forms are institutionalized homophobia (e.g. religious and state-sponsored[5]), lesbophobia – the intersection of homophobia and sexism directed against lesbians, and internalized homophobia – a form of homophobia among people who experience same-sex attraction regardless of whether or not they identify as LGBT.<<<

Sound familiar?

Rob

Rob

Good Morning! The reason the Gay community is not responding too the Christians is “JUST LIKE YOU SAID IT” THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS IN THE WAY JESUS WANTS THEM TOO BE.
I AM A CHRISTIAN AND I HAVE A FEW GAY MEN IN MY LIFE. THEY ARE JUST AS GOD LOVING AND MORE THAN SOME “SO CALLED CHRISTIANS”. MAYBE IT WAS THE WAY I WAS RAISED! LOVE EVERYONE! LET GOD DO HIS WORK WITHIN THE GAY COMMUNITY!
I DON’T THINK ANYONE IN THE MILITARY SHOULD HAVE TOO TELL ANYONE THEY ARE GAY ANY MORE THAN THEY SHOULD TELL IF THEY ARE OF ANY RELIGIOUS PARTY. LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR! LET GOD TAKE CARE OF THE WORLD!

Hi Nelli, CA,

>>>LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR! LET GOD TAKE CARE OF THE WORLD!<<<

Thank you.

If the christian god gave them free will who are those who want to take it away? BTW, that's not the same as not having laws, but in the context of making personal decisions.

Rob

Don’t forget that being gay is punishable with fire and brimstone. Just like all the lies you’re telling us here. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Nellie, CA:

Jesus said to “love your neighbor as yourself.” But he said it with a word that meant brotherly love, not sexual love. Too many people seem to mix the two types.

But the Bible says that God makes the laws and Jesus will be the judge. I hardly think that Jesus is going to forgive every sin you commit during your life UNLESS you become his. And when you do become his, he said, “Go and sin no more.”

Perhaps I am wrong, but if you do continue to deliberately sin after becoming his, you are turning away from him. And I believe he is not going to forgive that. Your choice.

You sound as if you are a good Christian. But many of those you try to love aren’t and need a good Christian to lead a good Christian life as an example and they need a good Christian to show them the way. Trying to make laws to shut you up and force you to accept them as voluntary sinners is the wrong way to solve the problem.

From 45caliber: >>>But the Bible says that God makes the laws and Jesus will be the judge.<<<

Is that some of that multiple personality stuff? Father, son, holey ghost, etc.?

Sure must be complicated with a tripple god. Sure it ain't just three gods?

Rob

Be carefull rob, your atheism is showing. You are NO patriot, so go peddle your load of crap somewhere else. We are not buying. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

From samurai: >>>Don’t forget that being gay is punishable with fire and brimstone.<<<

If you were gay you may believe that fire and brimstone stuff. I'll accept that you believe that is absolutely true for yourself as a representative of a particularly hateful branch of christians.

However, for the rest of the world it just ain't so because they don't subscribe to your silly tales.

IOW, rant on, but it's for yourself. I don't care.

Rob

You’re wrong on so many counts. It isn’t the idea of a “gay” “seeing their pee pee in the shower”. It is a problem with the homo GRABBING their pee pee in the shower. Here’s the problem with your “thinking”.
Straights (real men and women) don’t want to be sexually harassed, and they will be. If homos could control their behaviors they’d chosse to NOT be homos. Many do, thereby leaving the ranks of those demanding special treatment.
Those who choose to remain homos absolutely MUST try and recruit others to their lifestyle lest they become extinct, since they don’t reproduce any other way.
If homos could control their behaviors they’d not account for 62% of the AIDS cases and about the same percentage of Syphyllis and Gonhorrea, along with Hep B-D, cases.
That 2% would not account for 30-some % of the child molestation cases, but they do.
They’d just go into the military and keep their pie-holes shut and serve with honor, like the rest of us, but they don’t. They demand the right to misbehave and ask for offical authority to do so.
Their behavior is pathological, as, per CDC, it shortens their lives by an average of 20 years. Who needs this demoralizing effect among our best and brightest men and women who DO serve with dignity and honor.

From ALWAYS RIGHT: >>> It is a problem with the homo GRABBING their pee pee in the shower<<<

ROFL… And the rest of the company won't beat the crap out of someone who does such a thing????? All those big tough military guys and you think one gay person can assault another guy?

I imagine that if one of those heterosexual guys grabbed one of the girls out on the field or while on watch one night that you would just stand around, maybe even grin, because it's a heterosexual assault.

Rob

From ALWAYS RIGHT: >>> If homos could control their behaviors they’d chosse to NOT be homos. <<<

Ohhhhhhhh, ALWAYS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you forgotten 2006 when· Dick Cheney's Gay Daughter was pregnant? Mary Cheney, daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney and wife Lynne, and her longtime lesbian partner were expecting a child. She wasn't married. Is it a MIRRICLE! Was it a divine pregnancy?

Do you really believe that if Mary Cheney could be straight that she would?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5817720/: “Lynne and I have a gay daughter, so it’s an issue our family is very familiar with,” Cheney told an audience that included his daughter. “With the respect to the question of relationships, my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone. … People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to.

Do you think Cher is hot!? I do but her daughter Chastity is now Chas. Sonny Bono was kinda on the right. My, my… What did Sonny & Cher do wrong? Certainly Chastity had a choice (not).

Oh! And there's more! Remember Alan and Maya Keyes? In 2004, Alan ran for an open senate seat in my home state of Illinois, and was soundly thrashed by a guy named Barack Obama. BTW, that seat was open because the Republican Jack Ryan (husband of Jeri Ryan ex-Borg Seven of Nine on Star Trek: Voyager). Seems Jack wanted to pimp his wife out at sex clubs so he could have a little variety. She hated that and divorced him, the right wing Republican.

Anyhow, during the campaign, not long after Alan stated publicly that all homosexuals were guilty of "selfish hedonism," his daughter held a press conference to come out against her father's politics, and come out of the closet. Oh my the poo poo hit the rotary impeller.

Her father did his version of the christian thing and immediately disowned her, leaving her unemployed and homeless.

Do you think that if she had a choice about her sexuality that she would have been straight?

Rob

CJM:
And there were a lot more straight people who were also famous and contributed to civilation. Just what does either of them have to do with this?

You aren’t going to get people who don’t like gays to immediately change their ways by giving the gays special privileges. If anything, they are going to find a reason to justify their hate – and harm more gays as a result. As far as I’m concerned the gays should have (and mostly do have) the same privileges as non-gays with the exception of marriage – which is a religion thing that would require God to change. And I don’t think you are going to change God’s mind by making a law.

45caliber: >>>You aren’t going to get people who don’t like gays to immediately change their ways by giving the gays special privileges.<<<

Clue: Gotta start someplace. With blacks in the service it was tough in the beginning but now almost nobody cares.

Rob

Gays and African Americans, black is a racial term moron, are totally different. How can a different race and gays be the same? We are all born some type of race caucasian, mongoloid, or negro and can’t change that, but the gays are nothing. They are not a race, religion, or creed. Therefore, they cannot be considered a minority. How you are inside doesn’t give you minority status. Yes, African Americans did have it rough when they began entering the army in 1863, but it is different now. My platoon had soldiers that were Caucasian, African American, Hispanic, East Asian (One of my soldier’s families immigrated to America to escape the rule of the communists in China.), etc., so what is your point? I always said that in the army, everyone is green. You understand? The same no matter race, religion, etc., but now gays are different. They are an immoral lifestyle and their ways are not, and never will be, acceptable in this Christian nation. Just go home with your fellow sheeple and let the patriots speak. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

From samurai: >>>Therefore, they cannot be considered a minority. How you are inside doesn’t give you minority status.<<<

Really? In fact there is a large body of evidence that a predisposition to homosexuality is genetic if it isn't outright causative. If it is behavioral what do you think Dick Chaney did wrong when he brought his lesbian daughter up? I'm sure that if there was a choice of any sort that he wouldn't have allowed it.

Folks have their religion "inside" and folks are NOT allowed to be discriminated against because of their religion (with a few exceptions for on camera broadcasting).

I'm curious samuri… You claim to be heterosexual and christian. Is there any amount of money that could get you to change either? How about threats and denied job oppertunities (like the military)? Yet those who are gay are threatened and denied in may ways. Some are even killed for nothingbut them being gay. Yet gays continue to be gay. Maybe your christian god made 'em that way and wants the to stay that way. Who are you to deny them your god's effort to give them choice? Oops, he made them so there really isn't a choice. Maybe he wants to see who will be respectful and christian to them. It's YOUR test, samuri.

Rob

He may have made them human, but he didn’t make them gay. Being gay is a DNA thing has already been proven false by doctors and scientists. You just can’t lie that good can you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Rob
Crappy analogy. People don’t choose to be black and try as they might (outside of the Jacksons and the presidental pretender) they can never change their skin color. “Black” is genetic. Homo is not. At any time homos can stop being homos (www.narth.org http://www.pfox.org) and choosee to behave differently, just like alcoholics can choose to stop drinking. If they want something, be it a driver’s license and insurance for a habital drunk, or “to be in the military” for a habitual “abuser of men”, to borrow from the Bible, all they have to do is make different choices.

Awwww shucks, that bunk isn’t real.

Check out one of the proponents of it, Robert Spitzer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Spitzer_(psychiatrist): “In 2001, Spitzer delivered a controversial paper at the 2001 annual APA meeting arguing that highly motivated individuals could successfully change their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. The APA issued an official disavowal of the paper, noting that it had not been peer reviewed and stating that “There is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of reparative therapy as a treatment to change one’s sexual orientation.”[5]

Two years later, the paper was peer reviewed and published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior.[6] The publication decision sparked controversy and one sponsoring member resigned in protest. The paper has been criticized for its sampling methods and criteria for success.”

He seems to have avoided anything scientific in is work.

Rob

Just another contraversial paper with no real facts to back it up, typical lib rhetoric!

From 45caliber: >>> with the exception of marriage – which is a religion thing that would require God to change.<<<

Nope, marriage in America is a civil thing. Even atheists can marry. A civil servent must marry anyone who whats to be married, and clergy can set their own rules about who he, or she, will marry. Pagans for example don't get "married." They get hand fasted as was seen in Mel Gibson's movie Braveheart.

Again, in America marriage is a civil thing. It's a CONTRACT, not a religious thing.

Rob

Sorry, dude! Marriage is a man and woman, who come together in the presence of God, in holy matrimony. This doesn’t sound like a contract to me, moron! Get your facts straight before you post. You said you served in the military? Take it from someone who has served 20 years, you sure don’t sound like it. I remember a past thread, you kept trying to champion the rights of baby killers, gays, illegal drugs, etc. It’s people like you that has been rotting this country, the country I’m helping to take back from Obama bin Laden, from the inside out. As goes marriage, so goes the nation. If you introduce things that are immoral and unethical, this rots away at the foundation of this country and makes us weaker. I’m also tired of certain people who always come on these threads about gays and nothing else. Robert, I think what you said about the ladies at work asking you out are lies. You sound like one of these immoral one who are living with someone who you aren’t married to. What a waste of skinn and “sperm cells.” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai yapps agin: >>>Marriage is a man and woman, who come together in the presence of God, in holy matrimony.<<<

And for atheists at the courthouse being married by a JP? How is your god involved in that.

What about Pagans who get handfasted in the name of a Goddess?

How's 'bout an atheist sea captain doing a wedding on his boat?

Clue: Marriage in America is a CIVIL contract to make sure that the government recognizes the ability for them to enter into contracts jointly. The christian god has zero to do with that.

You claim of your god has an exclusive on marraige is just silly.

Rob