that general does not want to be obama’s next political victum.

has anyone noticed that the generals under the “undocumented worker” obama, don’t last long?

Saving America is as simple as becoming a country of pig farmers!
But seriously, while I don’t personally think this plan was a good one – it endangers the lives of not only our military, but also the residents of Alachua county and the law enforcement personel there – we do need to be alert and paying attention. The radical muslems do not care one bit about our “freedom of religion” except in using it to overtake us and accomplish there purposes. We must understand they are on a quest to become the power of the world and they will destroy whomever gets in there way! But the answer always has been and still is the preaching of the Gospel of Christ. Even when it doesn’t look like it to us, God is still in control of the final outcome. If we are a child of the one true living God, we must reflect that in our daily life through faith, hope and charity while standing firm in the teachings of the Bible without allowing truth to be called by any other name in an attempt to silence it! Beware! There is a spiritual battle taking place on our Earth!

Gwen:

If this were not such a serious subject, your statement about the plan (the book burning) threatens life – would be hilarious in it’s blatantly obvious misplacement. Burning a book endangers nobody’s life. The crazy people that promise to kill us is what threatens life. Although rhetorical, my question is how have we gotten so confused as to think that the real threat lies in the man who recognizes that the person with a sword in his right hand, and a severed head in his left is a bad guy, and somehow miss the threatening guy with the severed head in his hand. Is this world backwards or what?

Nope… they didn’t merely allow it… they CHAMPIONED it!! Just presenting THEM with the opportunity to show some consistency and the ability to display “equal treatment” to ALL religions.

I won’t hold my breath because history has shown Animal Farm is alive and well and living with the progs. “All animals (religious tenets) are created equal, but some are more equal (to ridicule/belittlement) than others”.

There are many in the Psychiatric wards across the country who insist that God talked to them and told them things. Sane people know better.

Funny that you should bring that up, Munir. Isn’t that exactly what Mohammed claimed — that God spoke to him? By extension, wouldn’t you be accusing him of being insane?

Andy, God spoke to Jesus also. True that?

And to Moses. True?

That is what the term “messenger” means.

Munir: You simply refuse to answer a direct question. You claim that anyone who says that God spoke to him or her is insane. Yet, you won’t answer the question about the sanity (or lack thereof) of Mohammed, who supposedly spoke to (or was spoken to by) God on many, many occasions. You are extremely inconsistent. Yes, God spoke to Jesus and Moses. However, I never made the claim that anyone who has conversations with God is insane — you did. The ball is in your court now, buddy. Was Mohammed sane or insane? If you say that Mohammed was sane, then you have to retract your claim that anyone who talks to God is insane.

Sorry Munir, but you don’t need a messenger if you talk directly to someone, do you?

Munir,
That’s just because in your religion you don’t know what it’s like to have a personal relationship with God. You have to have your Imam tell you what to do and how to think.
A Christian’s inspirations come from the The HOLY SPIRIT and its backed by the HOLY SCRIPTURES.
You listen to your Imam which disgraces mankind by your abuse of small boys and women. In fact according to your religion very few women can even accomplish the goal of going to heaven. If you don’t like what a woman does you beat her, or throw acid on her or behead her.
Your wariours think that they will be rewarded by many virgins when they get to heaven whish is a total mockery to God. There isn’t even going to be the giving and taking in marriage in heaven. God says He is no respector of persons, there won’t be male or female in heaven

“abuse of small boys”?

You should talk! You know fully well about the scandal in the church!

The churches are going broke settling all the legal cases.

If only you could stay on the topic

How can God have a son? That is the question.

You think the answer is that you have a personal relationship with God!

Three personal relationships, you mean, right? One with each God!

Munir,
Your very words condemn you. You go in circles like a silly woman. If you were truly open to learning or wanting to know THE TRUTH this could be a teaching moment for you, however, you don’t, and you don’t even care. You are trying to lump all Christians into the Catholic Chruch which we are not, and not all priests have been pedophiles and the ones that are have been exposed and as you said become scandals. Unlike your people who love being pedophiles and even revere one of the biggest pedophiles Muhammad, (pigs blood on his grave)! Are all of you Sunnis? Or all of you Shiites? Is your heritage Africa, or Turkey or Bosnia?
Get real munir and quit sounding like a silly woman.

Jana,

Your words condemn you!

You are going around in circles.

The TRUTH is God is ONE, only ONE; no wife, no partner, NO SON!

You go around in circles: “Yes God is One, but …” says the THREE_GOD believers.

” but … God is three also”
“But God has a son”

You cannot stay on the subject; How can God die?

You do not answer.

The human sacrifice dogma mandates that you must believe in “trinity”, “Original sin”, “Blood Atonement”, “Jesus is God” etc.

Even these words are not found in the bible.

You believe in what you believe, not because of what the bible says, rather despite what it says.

Islam invites you towards the TRUTH; God is One, period.

You’re part right Munir. The Judeo-Christian is the only one and true God and Jesus is his son. That’s better than, there is no God but God, and Muhammed is his prophet. Gee, sounds nice elevating someone like Muhammed (murderer, rapist, thief, child molester) to a position of just under allah. Tell us some things that Muhammed has done that are greater then what Jesus has done, besides nothing. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai,

Again you have nothing but insults!

Nothing except repeating the insults and propaganda cooked up by the three God believing preachers against the believers of God, the One God!

Don’t you ever think?

You say the God of the jews and the God of the Christians is the one true God.

Think again. The Jews called Jesus a bastard, and called his mother an adulteress.

Think, please think! You say Jesus is God, and what do they say about your God?

And not just the jews of the time of Jesus disparaged Jesus in that manner, even the Jews of the present day hold this view about Jesus. That is their official stand!

You insult both Jesus and God when you say Jesus is God. The Quran you so loath elevates Jesus to the glory he truly deserves. The Quran reprimands all those who call Jesus names, and declares that Mary, his mother was a pious woman elevated by God over all other women of this world.

I wish the scales would fall off your eyes some day. They would for sure when you die.

Munshey,
If that is the case, I quote you, “The Quran reprimands all those who call Jesus names, and declares that Mary, his mother was a pious woman elevated by God over all other women of this world.” then why are you disobeying your quran and your pedophile idol Muhammad (pigs blood on his grave).?

You have been mocking Jesus through this whole segment. Shame on you.

Jana,
Your insult is being shrugged off again.
It is you who mocks Jesus as well as God, when you say Jesus is God.
Muslims restore glory back to Jesus and his mother.
If you could ever set your prejudice aside and read the Quran, you will learn that it truly glorifies Jesus. Those who read the Quran may be surprised to learn that it is the only religious scripture, other than the Christian scriptures, that glorifies Jesus and Mary. Positively the only one!

OK, Munir. Here are just some facts about you precious koran:

1. Why allah hates infidels and what he has in store for them.
2. There are many violent passages and worrisome language.
3. Manditory warfare against non-believers.

Islam has always been a lie, Munir. A big fat whopping one at that!

I remember a person robert smith who said the same thing on a different posting. Just a thought. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Bad analogy, norm! Bad analogy!

Norm,

Who did you buy it from ?

Viktor,
In what part of your microscopic brain do you even pretend to speak for God.
God speaks to each individual person through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, which is confirmed by the standards of the Holy Scriptures.
How dare you mock God.

Well said, fellow patriot! Let’s keep up the good fight! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Nope, it will give obama reason to suspend the constitution and declare martial law……coup complete, welcome to another u.n. socialist/communist “state” .

one world government under a new world order……………evertone is poor and enslaved, “for their own good.”

Only if YOUR faith isn’t strong.

Eddie – Who are you, the re-incarnation of Jesus?

Describing yourself edduh?

Sure isn’t, my problem child. I have been going to church for 60 years. Do you practice Christs’ teachings? I’m not sure with some of you’re previous comments, so stay tuned.

You’ve been going to church for 60 years, that’s good! But it doesn’t seem so with the stuff you also have posted. Please look in the mirror before looking at others edduh! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You seem to live by the sword instead of by God’s word in a few of your posts.

You also edduh! I fully support this pastor’s actions and hope that we can do more. I think, in my opinion, that the pastor has the freedom of speech and religion which make it legal for him to do this. Edduh, if you wish to do so, read I and II Kings in the Old Testiment and see what they did to false gods. They torched their temples, burned their books, tore down their idols, and even slayed the priests. I believe in doing all of these things, except the slaying part. I had too much of that in my life already. It’s no different than when they do these things to christians or Americans. I’m tired of you libs crying out about rights under the Constitution, but if someone does something different you go and have a tizzy fit. If these fools have the right to build a mosque at ground zero, then he has the right to burn the false teachings of a false faith. You can’t have it both ways! Is your name really edduh or is it John Kerry? You flip flop so much that you seem to be him. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Patricia, I don’t think we should be afraid as much as we just need to be aware and prepared.

Jim H — I know I am not afraid. There is no way I will ever “bend” to their will. Never.

only if your a muslim!

dan az — Agreed.

good for you. I would too! And I do know the constitution ! I keep a copy of it in my living room all the time !

You need to go immediatly to the emergency room and see if they can save your life. I personally do not see what they could do for you, as your are dying of Dumbness,(brainrot).

You kind of proved what I was saying and lack Christian morals to boot.

what kind of morals does the radical muslims have?

Actually it’s diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain!

That’s immaterial <What kind of morals do you have? Revenge might feel good but we already got our 50lbs. of flesh. How much more will satisfy you?

Eddie,
You are a blind fool.

Kaye,

I wish I could figure out where this guy is coming from? He is so off the wall at times I wonder if he is sane !

Well, edduh, most of the muslims I had to fight were terrorists, cowards, and suicide bombers, so what’s your point? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You already posted this crap before!

Partricia,
From what I understand there really isn’t a ‘Mosque’, but a room set aside for them to go into and worship. However, remember when they go worship they must wash their feet so I would imagine there would be foot washing basins around too.
Everyone must, and has to go to a lot of trouble for them and their rights, meanwhile our rights not only as Christians, but as individula citizens keeps diminishing.

that’s so the Muslim in Cheuif won’t have to rtravel to far to face Mecca 3 times a day and show his posterior to the West. LOL!

They do not have to travel anywhere. Wherever they happen to be, they face Mecca at the time of prayer, which is 5 times a day and not 3. Why should anyone have objection to people praying?

Munir, why should people be told which direction to face and how many times a day to pray?

Samurai,
Jesus was told to pray. Jesus prayed to his God and your God. That is what the bible says he said. He prayed regularly in a prescribed manner. The bible says so. He raised his hands in prayers, sat down, and even prostrated. The bible says all that. Jesus taught you, and the early followers prayed regularly certain number of times a day. The chapter in the bible, ACTS says so.

Munir, here you greatly err.
1. Acts is a book and not a chapter.
2. Yes, Jesus did pray. He prayed because he wanted to, not because some false prophet said when and how to do it.
3. Jesus didn’t have to face a certain direction.

Understand now? FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

Jesus was told, for sure. The bible says so. Jesus himself says so.
He said he always did what his God told him to do. He taught his followers the exact words in which to pray. The Lord’s prayer! That definitely was not in English since English did not exist back then.

You do not have a Gospel “according to Jesus”. Out of the hundreds of Gospels in existence, some human beings, after they were deluded into accepting three Gods, chose 4 out of 100s of Gospels.

That is history. You know it.
The Gospel of Phillip, the gospel of James (Jesus brother), The Gospel of Mary, the gospel of Thomas were all written by those who intimately knew Jesus. These Gospels exist even now. Luke was not even born when Jesus lived. Luke says so himself in the very first paragraph.

Paul never saw Jesus. You believe them.

As for the direction, you cannot prove that Jesus did not pray in any one direction. Does anything in the bible specifically says that they prayed haphazardly, in all directions?

Munir, I think it’s time for you to get back into your rehab program.

Wrong answer Munir. According to islam, you must make a pilgramige to Mecca at least once during your lifetime. We don’t have to go to Israel, Rome, etc., during our lifetime. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

What about the American Muslims? Do they have the right to decry the actions of pastor Jones, or his namesake, Jim Jones?

Do they have the right to decry the names of al quedq, hamas, taliban, etc? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Chris

You got a lot of things a$$ backwards. Reread your history when it comes to the crusades and as for the inquisisan it wasn’t just Jews that were killed so were Christians! Catholics come to mind !

You’re right Granny! Many people were killed for just having a copy of the Bible. Many were killed because only the priest can have a Bible and it can only be house in the church. These were the beliefs of the Catholics during those dark days. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Andy, the problem is that they don’t stay in their own part of the world. They are doing their brand of evangelization which means that any country they settle in they consider owned by Islam.

25% of the Muslims are white or black or Latinos, just like an average American. They do wish to stay in their part of the world, which is America. They need to build places of worship. Would you still say that to your daughter, if she comes to you one day and says, ” Dad, Mom … I am … now a Muslim”.

Ask her what was smoking and smack her behind!

Munir: I wouldn’t have to worry about my daughter becoming a muslim — she knows that that ideology is evil.

Munir,
What would you say to your daughter if she came to you and said she was a Christian? Or wanted to even marry a Christian? Tell the truth now. oh, I forgot you have taqiyya and don’t have to.

Munir can’t answer a simple question? I think the question was too difficult for him. Maybe we should try using easier words next time. Me included. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Implying perhaps that your English is better.

Remember now! Gone forever are the days when you could say that about a Muslim in America.

Not any more. Now the Muslims are many a times the regular Americans with intimate knowledge of the Christian life. Like I said, the next Muslim in America might just be your daughter. I know the thought displeases you.

The world has changed.

The world in which you were born was much different from the world in which you shall die!

Munir,
More threats munir? Let me show you the bottom of my foot. I will not cast my pearls before swine.

Threats?

So enamored are you with this temporary, transient life, that a mere reminder that you are a mortal, and shall die, makes you scream, “Threat!”
Yet, Your God died? He is immortal and yet died?

Munir, have you been dipping into the kool aid again? God didn’t die on the cross, JESUS DID! So much for knowing our Bible. Another thing, why haven’t you answered my question? What would you do if your daughter came home one day and said she was a christian? She told you that your faith is wrong? What if she married a christian and got pregnant by her husband, what would you do? If you are a true muslim and follower of Muhammed, you’ll probably end up killing her for these actions. Remember, you all treat women as property and not equals. Take your load of crap somewhere else, we’re not buying it! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Jana,

You are calling me a swine, right?

Fine, insults need to be shrugged off.

Please read your scriptures again! Jesus said that to a woman, after he asserted that he was sent only for the Jews, and the woman was not a Jew.

That is how much you have played around with your Scriptures!

A prophet of God, (God or the son of God according to you) would keep the “pearls of wisdom” from someone just because she was not a Jew?

God, the Creator of that poor woman, would imply that she was a Dog?

And make up your mind. Was Jesus sent for the whole world, or just the Jews?

You are calling me a swine, right?

Fine, insults need to be shrugged off.

Please read your scriptures again! Jesus said that to a woman, after he asserted that he was sent only for the Jews, and the woman was not a Jew.

That is how much you have played around with your Scriptures!

A prophet of God, (God or the son of God according to you) would keep the “pearls of wisdom” from someone just because she was not a Jew?

God, the Creator of that poor woman, would imply that she was a Dog?

And make up your mind. Was Jesus sent for the whole world, or just the Jews?

Munir,

Yes you act like a swine, you talk like a swine, you beome a swine oink oink.
Its VERY evident you don’t know the scriptures, and you can’t ever understand the scriptures because you are BLIND to the Truth.
You say insults are to be shrugged off? You obviously can’t shrug off these truths that you are nothing but a swine. You call the Jews a swine, but actually you have identified yourselves by your own actions.
Are you being paid to be on this site by your lying propagandists leaders?
I don’t or won’t shrug off what you say because I know and have been taught by the Holy Scriptures that you are twisting the TRUE WORD OF GOD like satan does and therefore you have been taught by him and are acting on his behalf.

Samurai,

You say God did not die, Jesus did!

Then you say Jesus was God!

So make up your mind!

If Jesus was God, how could God die?

If Jesus was not, then the original sin has not been paid for!

What about the fable of Muhammed? When he died, was “so-called” ascended into heaven where the temple on the mount is in Jerusalem. Gee, now where have I heard about someone doing that? Oh yea, the Bible. Jesus ascended into heaven and not this killer, thief, child molester, Muhammed. How could he have done that, when his bones are still here on earth? Jesus ascended into heaven, but where is his bones? Where is his marked grave so I can go see his bones for myself? Answer, there are no bones to look at. Muhammed was nothing but a liar from the start and continues to be that way today. FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

Munir, I answered this for you above but will reitierate.Jesus came in the flesh, and He sacrificed Himself in the FLESH. His souls or spirit did not die.
But if you know anything , you would know that much. Therefore all you are doing is trying to cause some poor person that does not know the Truth to be as confused and lost as you are.

You’re right about the world being different when I die. This country will seek to get rid of things not true (like the koran), libs, commies, gay lovers, etc. It’ll also seek to get rid of the one’s who worship a false faith, like you. This nation is a Christian nation and will never be the nation of muhammed. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Amen, Samurai. I’m 100% in agreement with you.

Thank you, Andy. Let’s keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! I’m also glad to have other patriots here, because it can be somewhat tiring fighting these idiots on this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Munir: In one of your other posts, you claimed that Islam came to America on the Mayflower. There is a full list of the passengers available on the Internet. Which of those people was/were Muslim? Hmmmm? Another example of Islam trying to co-opt something to which it doesn’t have a legitimate right.

Andy,
You are so right, Islam cannot go forth without lies. Plus it is their mandate to lie.

Yes, Essie.

good idea. I got mine ! and I’m ready to burn !

He also doesn’t have a false prophet named mohammed either!

Of course the proponents of a false religion will call other religion false.

Like Islam?!?!

I challenge you to tell me what passage, or passages, in the Bible are false. Darn! Crickets, only crickets! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You talk about one?

The scholars have identified 1000s of such errors. There are several website devoted to the subject. I am sure you know.

My personal favorite:

Christians say Jesus is the son of God. Don’t you agree that his genealogy would be the shortest: Jesus son of God. there! Done!

But the bible provides to provide the genealogy that has 44 names.

As if that is not enough, the bible gives another genealogy. This one has 22 or so names and only 4 names are common in the two genealogy.

Also,

One says his grandfathers name was heli, the other genealogy has another name.

Aren’t you guys a little bit curious?

Jesus has one father, God!
Jesus has two grandfathers?

So Jesus’ father, God, has a father who was a human?

How gross is that!

samurai,
This is what happens when someone who listens to liars tries to tell you what is in the word.
Munir has no comprehension as his eyes are closed to the things of the One True God. What he is saying is so easily explained, but to keep bantering back and forth with such an infidel would be casting our pearls before swine. This is what God calls him, swine.

First of all, I agree with you Jana. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot. Never saw this person on this posting site before. He must be getting paid to say this crap to a bunch of God fearing patriots!

Second, Munir you just didn’t make any sense at all! As far as I’m concerned, lineage don’t mean anything outside of royalty. You know, the first born is next in line for the throne, then the second, third, etc, so what is your point of all these useless and baseless rantings?

Third, be careful with what you say. I went to Afghanistan and Iraq and took the lives of many terrorists and murderers there. I was in the top 10 in body count and my platoon was too (Dragon Slayers, 2/152 Mech Inf). We were also awarded for no collateral damage during our whole 1 year tour. I guess you can say that God helped us take out the bad guys and spared the innocent ones. FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

Easily explained?

Are you kidding?

It is your scholars who say, “It is a mystery”.

If it was explainable even with difficulty, it would not be a mystery!

So go on, take a shot.

Explain how God might die?

Munir,
God can’t die. Only your god died. Muhammad (pigs blood be on his grave), the peophile.

Jesus ROSE AGAIN, he defeated death, and bruised the heal of satan, your god.

Jana, more insults!

You reply, but you do not answer. So you must insult. Fine!

Jesus rose, but he had to die first, right? For three days? Please explain how God can stay dead for even a split second.

You say Jesus defeated death, after death overwhelmed him for three days?
Do you even get the point? There is a lapse of logic in your theology.

STEP ONE: God is immortal. STEP TWO: You say Jesus was God. STEP THREE: Jesus, the God, died.

Your Explanation: Oh but God died only for three days.

Your dogma mandates that God MUST DIE! A human death just would not atone for the original sin.

“ineage don’t mean anything”, you say.
You must wonder then why does the bible give the genealogy of Jesus. And not one but two, one of them obviously false!
If you were God fearing, you would not say God died, or God had a son or Jesus was God. Do you not think? Why would God need a son? He is immortal. Mortals need sons, mortals copulate, and mortals have sons. God does not need a son, for God would not die; God did not copulate, and God does not have a son.

Just ponder!

If God had a son once, then that opens the possibility that God may have another son, or may be a daughter this time. Two thousand years is enough time between babies, don’t you think?

If God had a son, does it not open the possibility that some day he would have a grandson, or granddaughter, not to mention a daughter in law, or the son in law.

Logical that, right?

Munir: “there! Done!” Well, nanny-nanny, boo-boo to you, too. Your comment doesn’t prove anything except how ignorant you are of Christian theology. Joseph wasn’t Jesus’ biological father — he was his adoptive father. Mary conceived of the Holy Spirit, who is the third person of the Holy Trinity (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit) to become the mother of God the Son (second person of the Holy Trinity).

Is I tried to explain earlier, Jesus (God the Son) came down from Heaven to becom human in order to experience the human condition in order to be able to offer the perfect sacrifice for our sins. We don’t need to slaughter goats or sheep in sacrifice as Muslims do during Hajj — our sacrifice has been made.

Munir,
Jesus Christ came IN THE FLESH to show man how to live, and to show man that it was possible to live a life without sin. Jesus Christ the SON OF GOD was the only one that ever lived without sin and blameless. He laid down His life as a sacrifice so that we no longer had to offer up animal sacrifices for the remission of our sins.
John3:16 says,”For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Munir this means even you.
Yes, Jesus died on the cross, but it was only His flesh body that died. His spirit did not die, during those 3 days Jesus went to sheol and was ministering to those souls that had lived in earlier ages. Even you know that our spirits do not die as you have hopes of going to heaven one day. Flesh certainly doesn’t go to heaven. our spirit also known as soul goes to heaven.

You say over and over I have not answered you, but you haven’t answered Andy Howey, Samurai or me on things we have asked you. All you want to do is a useless debate. You are blind to the truth and have done nothing but distort scripture and show your ignorance of the Bible. you are disgracing yourself.
You claim I am throwing insults at you, and you think you have been blameless of throwing insults and threats? That is all you have done on this site, which proves who it is you serve, satan.

Stephen: FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Without it we will not be free, THEY will take over by usining our FREEDOM OF RELIGION to push this unholy quran. If anyone stops this pastor in Gainesville THEY have made a HUGE dent in our 1st Amendment. Seperation of Church & State remember that one? Our laws are for all people in this country. Worship whom you please but don’t confuse LOVE with LAWS

Where in the hell did you ever get the idea the Koran is a holy book?We are talking about a savage and brutal CULT,and this is their instruction book.

Aman, thank you my friend, you said it all!!!!!

STEPHEN,i guess building the mosque near ground zero is an act of love!74% of the Americans does not want the mosque built near ground zero.yes,the constitution guarantees them the right to build the mosque near ground zero,but that doesn’t make it right,just like the preacher and his followers want to burn the korans,right or wrong.i’m not so sure it’s wrong to burn them,i’m tired of all this bs that our gov.is trying to bend over backwards to please all these radicals,illegals and terrorist supporting countries.it’s about time someone stands up to these radical murderers!

Stephen,

Boy you are good a spouting half truths. Go back to the crusades and tell me why they came about. Now go to the native Americans and tell what Christians it was that thought it was ok to scalp them? I don’t disagree that they did happen but I do disagree that they happened for the reasons you say and why would you even think of lumping all Christians to the thinking of killing of the Indians ? I so happened to be the sick mentality of a president that brought that on and it was a disgrace that we will never live down nor should we, but it certainly wasn’t the christians that did it. It was a man without a faith and a brain! The crusades were the christians retaliating over the rule of the muslims of that day. They had taken over the known world at that time and were trying to do just like they are doing today. They haven’t changed one damn bit in two thousand years.
get your facts straight !

That’s ridiculous but you certainly have proven who you are and if I have to choose I take the pig.

EDDIE,you’re a real jerk! i’ve been seeing you on these comment sights for months,ever notice nobody ever agrees with you? i wonder why

Patricia,
Don’t worry about eddie, he has proven who and what he is over and over.
Just use him like we do, and that is to see how the “others” think and to realize how rediculous they can get.

Yes Jana we all have to keep learning “truth from false” but I will still take the pig.

yeah EDDIE,animals always seeks out others of their own kind,enjoy your pig!

Maybe edduh believes in beastial relationships?

No, but do you?

I don’t know, can I ask your girlfriend? Baaaaa! Baaaaa!

Someone needs to invent bacon scented spray. Or we could start carrying around pigs blood in a spray bottle for emergencies.

Munir: Maybe he did or maybe he didn’t. The Bible doesn’t tell one way or the other. However, he certainly didn’t promote pedophilia, stoning of accused women, wars for the purpose of enriching a chief “prophet”, or any of the other hogwash that is written in the Quran.

I think that Muslims worry way too much about physical/ritual purity and not nearly enough about morality. For example, one of the Ten Commandments is “Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor.” However, according to Islam, lying (Taqiya) is perfectly okay, if it furthers the agenda of Islam. How is that moral? Islam lacks even basic honesty and decency.

That is the false propaganda of the opponents of Islam against Islam. Christians are adept at lying. The German Nazi Christians lied against the British Christians, and the Russian Christians against both the Germans and the British. All the lying techniques learned during the WW@, and WW1, and the Napoleanic wars, the Prussian wars, the Reformist Wars, etc. etc. etc, are now being used against Islam.

Munir,
You are right again.This is beginning to sound like a repeat of Nazi Germany.Hatred against Muslims in the land of the free ,years ago hatred against communist and Jews.When will it end?

“The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might, and the Republic is in danger. Yes – danger from within and without. We need law and order! Without it our nation cannot survive.” -Adolf Hitler

Hitler hated Communists. He thought that the goal of economics should be efficiency and not equality (he believed economic equality was WRONG) and that Communists were “rabble rousers” who interfered with patriotic production.

Communists were the very first group to qualify for sentencing to death camps, even before Jews and Gypsies. This is because Hitler thought Communism was a Jewish conspiracy to take power. He recognized that Karl Marx, the founder of Communist philosophy, had been 100% ethnically Jewish, although an Athiest, and that many Jews in Germany were Communists. Non-Jewish Communists, according to Hitler, were even worse, they were “race traitors” (Himmler quotes) who wished to share power and wealth due the Aryans with “mud-people”.

False propaganda, Munir? Aisha, favorite female possession of your beloved Mohammed, was only 6 when he “married” her. He supposedly had the “courtesy” to wait until she was 9 before he consumated the “marriage” with her. If I remember correctly, he was over 40 at the time. How is that not pedophilia? If he did that now in a civilized country, he’d spend a lot of time in prison and then be wearing a GPS ankle bracelet for life afterwards, if the girl’s family hadn’t justifiably killed him first.

Munir Munshey,

Munir, you are well versed in history.Hitler was a real good Christian.

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Hitler Was a Christian

The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:

History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.

Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of producing an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I haven’t encountered any), I have been forced to dispel the myth by writing this essay. It is not until I bring up his speeches, my personal info on the Nazi regime and their tactics that a Christian will begin to question what their clergy told them. (I am the offspring of a German soldier. My Opa served under Hitler in WW2 and my father was raised during the time of the Nazi regime. This is important information to take into consideration for I am privy to some info that most Americans do not know. It is common for American media and education institutions to lie to their citizens concerning Nazi Germany.) So, in presenting this information I must break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the Church. 2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. 3) Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into Germanic society. 4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain for atheism/occultism, upheld his Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity.

Hitler’s involvement with the Church:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party

g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.

Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism

How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:

Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.

Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles treaty. The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world recognized power. Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national Christianity.

How the Nazi Regime converted the people:

a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positive” Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession…”

b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all people need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles– or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles– by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.

d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.

e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.

f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.

g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.

h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.

Quotes from Hitler:

Hitler’s speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their faith So they try to pin him on other theistic views. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveal the strength of his Christian feelings:

“National Socialism is not a cult-movement– a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship… We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else– in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will– not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.]

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]

Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.” –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

“Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition.” -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)

“The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.” -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)

“With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people.” -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)

“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties– and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

“…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion.” -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race. That is why many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.)

“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)

Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:

“Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide.” (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96)

Hooray for you, Coal Miner. In your eagerness to defend Munir, you have grabbed some of the most inane crap imaginable. The web site you pulled this from promotes atheism, and the person who originally came up with this spew was quite obviously taking material out of context and twisting to suit her purpose. What does that sound like? Hmm, let me think. Why, Islam, of course.

Since Coal Miner neglected to say where he found this lovely bit of obtuseness, and in case anyone is interested, here is the URL:

http://www.evilbible.com

You insult Islam; others can insult your religion.

I think Christianity lacks even the notions of ritual purity, or ritual purity or purity, period.

All they are interested in is the blood of Jesus. They sin and say, “Charge it! My God already paid for this sin. He died for it”.

Christians think blood of God is the detergent to wash sins.

Isn’t God the most Merciful? Why does he require an innocent one to die such a horrible death, before God would begin to accept petitions of Mercy? Isn’t he God? Can he not forgive without spilling blood?

Think about it. Pagans believed in human sacrifice. So do the Christians, now! In fact they raised the notion of human sacrifice several notches. They say the one who died was not human; he was God! That makes it God sacrifice. Haven’t they confused God with Dracula!

Islam is the truth; it says forgiveness is free! no body has to die! no blood need be spilled. Just say you are sorry, and be sorry! Your sins will be forgiven! Guaranteed!

The gravest sin is to assign a son for God. But even that grave sin can be forgiven. Sincerity is the pre-requisit.

“no body has to die! no blood need be spilled.”??? Maybe no Muslim need die. However, that doesn’t mean that Islam doesn’t require blood sacrifices — it has just substituted the need for the cleansing blood of Christ with the need for human sacrifice. Yes, that’s right, Islam condones and even requires human sacrifice — people they’ve conquered, apostates who convert to “another” religion, women who don’t submit, etc. Face it, Munir, Islam is no better than the paganism you condemn.

Very true Andy! What should we expect from a religion based on killing and conquest? It’s a truly false faith and that’s all that needs to be said. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Actually it is Christianity that is based on killing. A man ate the forbidden fruit. That caused all men to be sinners. BLOOD MUST BE SPILLED. That is the Blood atonement, right? The “wages of sins is death” right?

So One man, an innocent man, an impeccably conceived man must die, right?

Enter the dogma of God “coming over” Mary,impregnating her, and “begetting” a son. Right?

That one man’s death will be accepted in lieu of the entire humanity dying, right?

Check again, that exactly is what human sacrifice means. They were the pagans.

The filth increases when you say that the man being sacrificed is not a man but God! That makes it God sacrifice.

How can you swallow all that nonsense!

Andy,

Actually it is Christianity that is almost a pagan religion.

The hallmark of paganism is the belief in the son of God.

Every single pagan religion believed that God had a son, or sons.

There does not exist any pagan religion that does not have this belief.

The Greeks, the Romans, the Egyptians, The Indians, and all others believed that God procreated.

Does Christianity believes so? You tell me!

If you ponder upon that you would be left with no choice but to accept that Christianity is heavily influenced, to say the least, by pagan religions

Sorry, but Christ died on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins. Waht did Mohammed do that was so great? Kill, steal, rape, what? The only fantasy storues here are the ones in the koran. Nothing in the koran has been proven factual, but there are things that have been proven from the Bible. They found Noah’s Ark on Mt Ararat in Turkey and the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah. What did they find from the koran? NOTHING! Jesus is the SON OF GOD, not Muhammed! Muhammed was just a lier and was responsible for the starting of 100′s of years of wars across the Middle East, North Africa, and some areas of Europe. Gee, doesn’t really sound like a religion of peace to me. FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

Munir: If, as you falsely claim, Christianity is a pagan religion, then why did the all-wise Mohammed plagiarize so much from it? The story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden comes from the Book of Genesis, which is originally Jewish. Are you claiming that the Hebrew religion, from which Mohammed also plagiarized a lot, is also a pagan religion. That’s very funny coming from people who worship a rock. Did you know that Allah is not a solo “god”? In reality, Allah is first among an entire pantheon of Arabic “gods”. So, given that Islam has stolen and perverted a good deal of its theology from religions that you claim to be paganistic, and that the “god” that you “honor” is merely one of a pantheon, what does that say about the nature of Islam. It is a paganistic ideology that, as I pointed out earlier, depends on human sacrifice.

Munir,

According to the bible,eating pork is a sin.

Sorry dude, but if you read the Bokk of Acts you’ll see that you are wrong. Peter was in Joppa and was praying, but after a certain time he became hungry. The Lord sent down something looking like a white sheet from heaven, spread out by it’s four corners. Peter saw this 3 times and each time the Lord said: “Peter, arise, slay, and eat.” Peter said that he couldn’t because he had never eaten anything that wasn’t concidered clean. God said: “What I have called clean, thou shalt not call unclean.” This means pigs too, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Indeed Coal miner, it should be.

The bible says there was a difference of opinion about it. A debate raged about it. We know what Paul thought. We know what Paul said others thought. We do not know what others thought, straight from them. We know Paul and James had a falling out. We know what Paul said was the reason. We do not know what James said about it. We know what Paul said, James said about it.

So also about circumcision!

What a wondering rant! Can you be more specific? I read that there was a difference of opinion between Paul and Barnabus, but where do you get James? Paul and Barnabus had a difference of opinion about where to go and who to take with them. No big deal! It’s just like the difference of opinion between a radical and moderate muslim cleric. OOOOOPS! I forgot, there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

eddie47d: You hit the nail on the head — the ACLU picks and chooses which and whose rights they will defend. If it were a Muslim Imam burning bibles, they’d be all over it almost before reports of it hit the airwaves. But this is about a white christian minister — they won’t touch it with a 10-mile pole. It doesn’t further their agenda. One needs to be non-white, feminist, alternate-lifestyle, and/or anti-American, and preferably non-Christian, for the ACLU to be interested.

Andy

You are so right ! I’m with you. ACLU sucks kemons !

there I go again! I meant LEMONS ! LOL !

That’s not what I said Andy but knock yourself out with fables.

EDDIE,don’t where you got your info at,but yes the aclu does go out of it’s way to be in the spotlight and choses most of it’s fights on it’s own.

Okay Wayne name one or two cases where they weren’t asked for help or solicitated business on their own.?

All these nationwide cases, crusades I call them, for getting rid of anything christian in the public view? We had a person file a complaint that the 10 Commandments were placed outside the entrance of our city hall. The person filing the complaint called the aclu and they magically appeared on the scene. After this, he fool moved away and the aclu went to court over it. The mayor tried everything he could to work out some kind of agreement with them, but they wouldn’t budge. After everything was done, it seems that the police found out this fool had done the same thing 5 – 6 times before in two states, Indiana and Kentucky. He was also found to be taking money from them, as his bank records showed a deposit after filing a complaint in court. “I shall set up an institution that will seek to warp and/or destroy the U.S. Constitution.” That was said by the founder of the aclu. He was an admitted communist and atheist, so waht’s your point edduh? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

john,
This goes to show you they have absolutely no respect for the flag or the American people. They only want to dominate us. They are trying to instill fear in us and bolster up their own courage. The only reason they are burning our flag is because they are afraid of us and have GREAT FEAR in what we stand for, because they know we get our freedom from God, and they have tremendous fear of our God.
The sad thing is we have shed as much blood protecting the Muslims as we have anyone else, and as all bullies do, they spit on us.

Jana,

You have it right! Keep spreading the news! I guess that most of the people on here forgot what the muslims did when they got the news of the twin towers coming down ! They burned the flag and danced in the streets ! In Detroit Michigan USA ! I should say Dearborne Mich.
These are disgusting air breathers !

Good post Jana. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Claire: This pastor in Gainesville is showing all of us that we STILL HAVE RIGHTS. Bush and his gang invaded Iraq for personal monatary gains; that is where the hate really started. One little ole man in Gainesville can’t compromise our troops any more than the Bush administration and all those idots in Washington have already done

Patricia,

You are right.

http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Liberal:movements:within:Islam.htm

coal dunger,
My head is spinning with how many times you change your tune!!! you have ALWAYS stated that Christianity is a cult, yet here you are defending a preacher?!?!?!? I would almost wonder if coaldust is fat soluable. At least that would explain your flip-flops! lose a little weight FLIP-FLOP!!!

Though I do agree with you about the pastor’s rights, but I can’t about Iraq (Since I was sent there with my batallion.). We went to Iraq to free the Iraqi people, knock out Saddam Hussein, find WMD’s, and the mission was a success on all fronts. Of course, I don’t think mu unit counted on the response by various terrorist groups, but we all thought “Let them come.” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I agree with Patricia.

Patricia,

Bushes fault huh? Well then explain to me about the capture of our embasy people durring Carter’s reign ! These people have been doing this crap for as long as they have been alive ! Why do you think there were the crusades? Get a grip!

JoeH,

I still do.I like to see all silly religions go.They are cults that don’t belong in the real world.Christianity has kill more people than all the religions combined.Check your history books,that is if you can read.

QUOTE FOR THE DAY!

“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.”
– James Madison

Patricia.. while you’re right about the motives of the Bush administration it is no different than the motives or previous or present administrations. It’ just that Bush and his family benefited directly from this and Obama, Clinton and others, it was their handlers got the benefits (and they got to be president). The issues in the mid east were created way before Bush. “Terrorism” domestic (Timothy Mcveigh) and external (you name it) is a direct result of governmental policies (usually dictated by the needs of the elite). now throw in the religious finger pointing with Zionism at the forefront and you’re got what George Carlin would have called a “Mongolian Cluster F&cK”

Clair,
The actions of one man and one church should not have that much input. The Muslims got all bent out of shape when someone tried to make a cartoon with Muhammad. They even put out a death sentence on the man who DARED draw that cartoon. How many cartoons have they used with Christian emblems?
Are these people so shallow that they would do harm to others because of one persons actions? If this is the case maybe this Pastor is doing a good thing by waking up the people of this country who are naivly thinking that this religion is a religion of peace. We bend over backwards for this religion while our rights as Christians keep getting taken away.
They come into a country very meekly and start with a few baby steps. The next thing, when they get their population built up, they start pushing for more rights, and using the host country’s laws to get their laws implemented. Then as they get momentum, they start taking over. Look at some of our own cities here in the US where this is happening right now. Look at England, and France who are having a terrible time with this now also.
The more I read and find out, the more I see why Israel has had to make such a hard stand in Gaza.

Just because they are barbarians does not mean we have to be. Pastor Terry Jones is completely wrong to do this and not for the touchee feely reasons I have read here. Burning this book is wrong period. I am a Christian and I am an American and I really do resent when someone burns the Bible or the American flag. His reasons are wrong and his actions are wrong. I have no love for Islam or the Koran but this is just wrong.

Burn them all! Burn them all! Islam is a false faith and burning their Korans will be just like Israel burning the temples and idols of false gods when they had kings. This is NO DIFFERENT! God will not punish us for doing this. In fact, in my opinion, he may even reward us like he did with Israel as I’ve stated above. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai,
Yes, you are so right. Thanks for setting him straight.

Thanks Jana! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samuri

The elite have been duping the general public into dieing for their causes since the beginning of time. The us has never been and exception to this (this realization sure blew apart my sense of our noble forefathers). Any way Samuri.. keep listening to some of your brothers and sisters on this site who have the whole picture.

Sorry you feel that way duende. I guess you’ve been lost for awhile and know not what you do. I did not advocate killing or burning muslims, just that false doctrine called the koran. Also, if you look in I and II Kings in the Old Testiment you’ll see that I’ve spoken correctly. The elite has nothing to do with me standing up for what is right and rejecting those things that are wrong. It does seem that you are the one that has been taken over by their mindset. I hope you really learn to live by the way God and Jesus say we should do. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai

I am so far from lost that I can give a compass directions. The elite will use your religious fervor to suit their needs when the time comes. The teachings of Christ were hijacked by the First Council of Nicaea. All the branches of Christianity that arose from that, never mind the catholic church are perversions of the holy spirit. I was touched by the holy spirit in my 20′s. I tried to ignore the calling and spent a life of turmoil until I acknowledged my experience and formed my life around what I was shown. I can guarantee you Samurai.. all your venom and sureness about your own righteousness is an anathema to the holy spirit. Until you have your own personal connection with the holy spirit all you can do is spout the words of others and swallow their interpretations of the bible, including my own, you will be nothing but a tool.

Duende, they’ll be having snowball fights in hades before that happens!

Smaurai

You said “Duende, they’ll be having snowball fights in hades before that happens!”

Now realize what I was saying you really had to have your own personal relationship with the holy spirit. I have hopes for all mankind to have that experience.. it;s a magnificent one if you’re prepared to handle it. I’m sorry you feel there’s no hope that you will. but I’m suspecting that’s not what you were saying there was no hope for but I can;t really figure out what it was you were commenting on (if that’s not the case)

You don’t even know how to spell. How can anyone take you seriously, Jana?

Kaye

Now don’t be so petty !

Understanding, not spelling, is the important thing here.

Samurai,
Others might and do think Christianity is a false religion. Muslims consider themselves the spiritual inheritors and followers of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus. They are all Muslim prophets. They think the Israelites of the past were Muslims, and the Churches of modern times represent the temples of the past, and the statues and pictures of Jesus are the idols. Surely, you cannot be sure that Jesus looked anything like those statues, can you?

Munir, they may consider themselves that way, but they are not. The first muslim ever recorded in the Bible was in the book of Genesis named Ishmael. He was the product of Haggar, an Egyptian. God had Abraham kick them out, because they were not his people. That is where the muslims and Jews separated.

How do you figure Jesus? They’re “messiah” is a false prophet named Mohammed. If you look at his history and the history of Islam, you’ll find that they are very different. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Jana,

You are right and by the time the rest of these toughy feely do gooders finally figure that out it will be too late! We should all be standing behind this preacher in our local towns if for nothing more but to show solidarity and send the message that we will not keep taking their pushing and we see through their lies ! As for the rest of you, we will put “I didn’t think it was right ” on your toumb stones.

talk about spelling ! I meant touchy. Hard to see when you are blind !

Samurai,

Does Christianity teach you that slaves girls are inferior and hate-worthy? People are all equal, are they not? Children of slave girls and the children of kings are all equal before the Creator. If Christianity really teaches you that a slave girl and her children are hate-worthy, then either Christianity is wrong, or else you are wrong and Christianity does not teach that.

Where did slavery come from? You have to go back before 1865 to come up with something? We believe hate slavery and not the slave. Remember, islam still believes in slavery and they ARE treated like lower class citizens. Ask the people in the Darfur region of the Sudan, or northern Nigeria, southern Thailand, India, Israel, etc., they ARE treated as infidels and are mercilessly attacked by wackos wearing bombs and blowing themselves up. Islam doesn’t care who they kill as long as it is for the glory of their false god allah! Women are also treated as property and are discriminated against, so what’s your point? I suggest you really read that koran of yours and look deeper into the history of islam, you may want to change what you believe. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Perhaps you missed the point, Samurai.

You said Hagar was inferior to Sarah and so Islam is inferior. That means you think a former slave girl, the wife of Abraham, was inferior merely because she was a slave. The point: most Americans, and indeed most Christians are NOT the physical descendants of Abraham. It is not about the race anyway, or is it?

The Koran which you refuse to read, is full of instructions to free slaves. Some Muslims may have ignored the instructions, but look at what the Christians did. They annihilated an entire people, the Native Americans and called it the “work of God”. They enslaved all blacks; bought them bred them and sold them. The Christians enslaved the whole world.

The Christians enslaved the people of India from 1725 AD to 1947 AD. perpetrated untold misery on them spent billions to convert people to Christianity, passed laws to facilitate the conversion, and wrote books detailing what they did to convert people. 96% of India were Hindus when the Christians enslaved them. That translates into 300 million slaves in India whom despite all the savagery and money and two centuries of oppression, they could not convert.

Munir: You are mistaking the actions of people who claim to act in the name of Christianity with the ideals of Christianity. All the events that you cited were perpetrated by self-absorbed money grubbers, not Christians. If you claim that Muslims are exempt from the temptations of money grubbing, then explain Jizya.

A favorite ploy. Whenever Christians cannot explain anything they say those acting in the name of Christianity were not Christians. Hitler said he was Christian. Charles Manson said he was too. Why not believe them. Christianity is not to blame for actions done in the name of Islam, but Islam is to blame when bad acts are committed in the name of Islam. Why not try to be fair!

Wrong again Munir! I had to read it while attending one of my many history classes in college. It was more difficult to understand than the Bible, and in some cases made no sense whatsoever. There are also many passages in it dealing with the destroying of infidels. Don’t try to sell this load od crap to me, moron! I’m not buying! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Problem is the real thugs are our government. They are the ones really pushing us around.

slickporsche,

It is time to take a stand and push back! Too bad they made him stand down ! Lots of spinless jelly fish in this country ! I say if they strike us we strike back only a little harder untill they get the message. Behave or get out !

Kerry, Amen!
There are magazine articles, etc. about America being Islamaphobic. BullShit! I am not afraid of them; I just hate them. Bring it on!

You think the bible is the greater book, while the Muslims think the Quran is the greater book. It is all a matter of belief! And Muslims do not burn the bible. They believe in Jesus and Moses. They believe in the scriptures Jesus and Moses were given!

You mean the ones that were borrowed and warped when writing the koran? If this is true, then why do muslims rally around the cry of “First comes Saturday, then comes Sunday?” Do you know this means they want to destroy the Jews first and then go after the Christians? Some so called religion of peace. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

A Christian named Hitler wanted to destroy the Jews. His army, a Christian army did all that. The German people, Christians all of them, were the enablers.

Munir: Hitler WAS NOT a Christian. He persecuted Christians just as he did Jews, Gypsies, or anyone else who was not part of his “Master Race”. As far as his “religious” beliefs, he was more into mysticism and Nordic paganism than anything else. Get your facts straight!

Munir: If Muslims believe that Christians and Jews have received scripture from God, then why do they either try to force Christians and Muslims to convert to Islam or become dhimmi, or, failing that persecute and kill them. If Allah is so all-wise and so all-merciful, then why does this happen? Is it because someone is misinterpreting the Quran? If so, then Muslim conquerors, starting with your beloved Mohammed (may curses be upon him) — the very guy who dreamed up the Quran, have been misinterpreting the Quran from the very beginning. Answer that, if you can.

Yes and don’t forget, Mohammed said that an angel of heaven told him to write it. The angel we all know was named Lucifer. Lucifer is another name for satan. Munir thinks that the koran is a holy work? How can it be from heaven when they enslave their own women, kill african muslims in southern Sudan because of their race, kill christians in Darfur because of their religion, attack Israel because they are Jews, supported the Nazis in their efforts to destroy the Jews (This is taken from history books on modern history of Egypt), attacking innocent people in southern Thailand because they are a different religion, attack targets of opportunity (schools, churches, temples, malls, buses, etc.) that would tally up a higher body count, support terrorism, etc. How could it be holy and true if these people do, finance, and or support such actions? The last kingdom that was Persian was conquered by the sword for the glory of allah. Why? Because they had a different religion and islam preaches the destruction of anyone or anything not muslim, so what is you mental malfunction on this point? I say let them come here and try something in my hometown. We may not be able to stop them from coming, but we can send them home in 6 foot long by 30 inch wide boxes. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I’ve often wondered how feasible it would be to anti-proselytize (for lack of a better term) the people of the Persian nations (Iran, Afghanistan, Tadzhikistan, and maybe Pakistan (if not part of Persia, then separately)), the Turkic nations (Turkey, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan), etc. and remind them of the cultures they had before the yoke of Islam was set upon their necks, to find a way to create a popular uprising to throw off Islam and assume their former ways of life.

After all, Islam is an Arabic aberration. All non-Arabic Muslims are decidedly second-class. I would think that the non-Arabic Muslims would be very resentful of that status.

Thank you Andy and very accurate! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Munir, To your statement:
You think the bible is the greater book, while the Muslims think the Quran is the greater book. It is all a matter of belief! And Muslims do not burn the bible. They believe in Jesus and Moses. They believe in the scriptures Jesus and Moses were given!

Answer,

There you go following your taqiyyah again, the art of telling the listener anything you think they want to hear, or outright lying to them.
Muslims do burn the Bible, Muslims burn the Christian Churches, Muslims kill Christians, and it is in the news all of the time. Your lying about it will not change the truth.
Muslims believe in the scriptures Jesus and Moses were given? Since when? Oh you believe in your perversion of what Moses was given, but you cannot possibly believe in what Jesus said, as you refuse to act on it, as Jesus said “I am the way, the Life and the TRUTH’

Paper burns. That is the law of God. The bible will burn just as readily as the Quran. Your argument is demonstrably false!

Be careful talking about burning the Bible, the true word of God. The words you just spoke would be fighting words in my hometown!

Many verses in the bible are known not to there in the first century. Catholic bible has 73 books, Protestant bible has only 66. So either the Catholics included in their “word of God” 7 books that were not the words of God, or the protestants deleted 7 books from their bible, that were the words of God. In addition the bible of the Greek Orthodox is different as well as the Mormons’. All scholars acknowledge additions and deletions in the bible. any bible. The first two translators of the bible into English were tried, convicted, and punished. Their bodies were dug up, burnt and thrown into the river.

Actually, all the Catholics I know have the same Bible I do, only 66 books. There may have been more, but the ones that were taken out was because there was no proof of that person existing. The Mormons are different as they have also the Book of Mormon. It’s not a factual book, but they believe in it. You’re now doing what the infidel koran is telling you to do. Attack us and anything not muslim. Gee, your being a good follower of the false prophet, aren’t you? FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

wayne a,
You are right. Actually, the people of Iraq thought American were weak just because they were “trying to set a better example”. These people do think Americans are weak if we turn the other cheek and keep letting them walk all over us. The Iraqi’s used to ask my relative who was over there, who are these Democrats in your country that are cowards? What are they?
These Muslims that are pushing their ways onto us are bullies and will take any advantage they can. Have you ever seen a bully stop because someone gave in to them? No, they just get worse.
At least this pastor was a man and he made a stand, and it looks like it worked. He opened the eyes of a lot of people.
Praise God for men like this pastor who helps to open the eyes of the American people.

I apologize to Jana for what I said about her spelling. Forgive me, Jana.

Kaye,
No problem.

has anyone thought that this koran burning is a setup by the government to start a religious war to get us and the muslims fighting? why is the media playing this up so much and it’s going to be christians who will get the blowback as most people now don’t like the christians they will call us intolerant bigots, I don’t trust this pastor I think he’s being paid to do this otherwise he’d be afraid for his life, islam is a horrible religion and I don’t like it and the idea of burning korans is appealing to me to but if it gets out of hand the consqenses will be on us and everyone knows there trying to divide us everyway they can and keep us all fighting it’ll be interesting to see how all this plays out hope it don’t turn into a holy war.

blv54
God works in mysterious ways, and it looks as though the Lord used this Pastor to bring peace.

This pastor didn’t bring anyone peace. God may have thumped him on the head and told him to get over his foolishness. Stop preaching discord and get back to the business of preaching HIS WORD.

I see where the nice honest Imam and all of our Gov’t came against this Pastor. What a shame.
Maybe what we need to do is each individually burn a copy of the Qur’an this Sunday.

All this has done is show that our Gov’t. is so out of step with the will of the people.
Also if the people of New York would buy one pork chop and throw it on the intended site for the Mosque at ground zero that would be easier than slaughtering a pig. Where is the gumption of the New Yorkers?

Munir Munshey,

I am not saying I would participate in such an ‘event’, but I would like to add a little different spin to all of this.

When we went to Saudi in 2001, the Saudi Gov’t. made the US burn many Bibles that were brought in to that country. Yes, we had to burn them ourselves. In Muslim countries they burn the Christian Churches as well as torture, rape and murder the Christians that are living in that country.

On 9-11 many of our supposed Muslim Americans were seen and heard celebrating over the perceived ‘victory’ that happened when the towers went down.

Yes it seems insensitive to burn the Koran (Qur’an) but its also insensitive for Imam Rauf to keep insisting on building the Cordoba (sp?) Center. The very name they are using is even an insult.

It is also an insult to burn the American flag, but it is still done as it is legal. We see Muslims as well as illegals stepping all over the flag and burning it all of the time in demonstrations.

It seems its alright to do these things to us, and I know your mandate of lying to the infidels and telling them whatever it is they want to hear is ok, as long as you end up getting your way, and that you consider us the infidels.

I also hear all of the time that we serve the same God, and BY YOUR OWN STATEMENT and from my studies of the Qur’an and the Hadiths etc. I know we do not. You stated, ” The Christians and the Muslims would agree: The God of the Christians is a Merciful and a Tolerant God.”

Over and over in the Old Testament which is still viable for today, the Christian God, the One True God, says his name is Jealous, and that He is a Jealous God. He does not want us associating with false gods. Yes, He is a toleralnt God, thank goodness, but his patience as well as the American people’s patience can wear out. It wears out when we are the ones that are always giving in, it wears out when we see no compassion from the Muslims who keep pushing and pushing to get thier way no matter who it hurts.

This Florida Pastor is just one man, and from what you can read does not have the support from the rest of us, so if you all would use this one man to start something like what you just threatened and I quote you, ” What follows might be the global warming of the other kind.”, shows exactly the kind of people you are.

You all keep claiming Islam is a religion of peace, then I say prove it. Act on it and show us that it is. You all show a little tolerance here too.

Jana,
While I don’t support the burning, I very much agree with all you say, especially the last three sentences!!!! If it does go ahead I will be watching here in the States to see if they can do what they demand that we do!!!

Jana, Thats a crock. I worked there for 12 years .No one had to throw their bible or burn it We even had services there .

It’s good to see that Lee would rather work somewhere else other than in America. What kind of patriot is that? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Lee L,
Then you don’t know everything. I said the US Gov.’t had to burn Bibles that had been brought in.
I also knew people that were there and they didn’t have any trouble either, as they lived in the AMERICAN SECTOR.
I had a girl friend that lived there with her husband who worked for a company that also employed the Saudi’s.
There were 5 women that wanted to go to town but could not go unless they were escorted by a man. Her husband asked a local who was a friend and colleague who he trusted to escort the wives. They were back by noon, but the man did not show up for work till after 3 that afternoon and they asked him where he had been. He answered very indignantly that he had to go home and bathe because he had sat next to a dirty woman. My friend was that woman, and she said “I was not dirty”. Her husband had asked him because he could trust him to take care of his wife, but they found out the man thought he had been disgraced.
Don’t be so naive!

Good post and to the point. I will be burning several koran in the name of the United States of America and the God we serve. Every one of you that claim to love America, needs to step up to the plate and show these barbarians that we do no like them or need them. GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY! Within 5 years of getting that Mosque built in New York, you can bet they will be wanting sheriah law. We have reached that point in America where the Muslims are going to start demanding more and if not there will be lots of trouble like you read about in other countries. Please do soak a Koran in kerosene over night. It will burn bright. Make sure that if you get into a cab driven by a Muslim you get out and find another. If you pull into a convenience store and find out is is Muslim owned, drive away.Do not help the Muslims find success in this country.

The Islamic religion is not a benign one, nor are the Muslims good people.
Just look at what Europe is now facing owing to their good will and tolerance of these people. We need to stop the Islamic threat while we still can. Our nation has never faced anything like this in our history. We have assimilated and accomodated many a different immigrant of several nations and religions, albeit with some struggle, but the Moslems don’t intend to and never have intended to nor never will assimilate. They fully intend to take us over.
Check out what the Australian Prime Minister said about those people recently. I envy Australias isolation.
I’m afraid Christian and Jewish Americans are in for a long hard struggle. I hope we have the resolve and nerve to prevail.

Yeah, burn the Koran on 9/11! I intend to.

Kaye,
Thank you and with people like you , we will be victorious. This is our country.

It cannot be that Christians are created by one Creator and non-Christians by another. There is but One Creator. Christians think that the One Creator procreated, while the Muslims believe that to procreate, one has to avail the services of another with the opposite sexual persuasion. That they think is impossible.

When you narrate your personal experiences I agree with you, just as I agree with the Muslims who have their own “these things” to narrate. In order to make peace one has to see and go past and beyond ‘these things’. Muslims consider the non-Muslims ‘Kafirs’ (unbelievers), just as Christians call the non-Christians heathens. For the Christians, the Muslims have a special term _ people of the book. Any religion or system of beliefs worth its salt would have to encourage its adherents to struggle against injustice, tyranny and oppression. Islam is a religion of peace, and some of the reasons for that are:

God is not just the creator of all humans. God is the Creator of all things. The sun, the moon, in fact every single thing submits to the laws of God. Everything submits to, and obeys God, which is the meaning of the word ‘Muslim’. When a human being also submits voluntarily, he no longer is in conflict with anything else in nature. He is at peace with all. That is why Islam is the religion of peace.

Even human being has two parts. One part of him functions involuntarily, like the Digestive, Respiratory, and other autonomous systems. Over certain other aspects of him, man has a will. When he submits to God voluntarily in matters where he could choose to defy, his voluntary and involuntary systems become harmonious, and he is at peace. That is why Islam is called the religion of peace.

Islam insists that this life is a test. Not that rain falls in every life sometimes, but the entire life is a test. Poverty is a test just as much as affluence is. Every single minute of life is a test. The result of the test cannot be announced while one is living. When all human beings destined to live have come and gone, this universe will have served its purpose. It will be destroyed, and replaced by another universe with physical laws very different from that of this one. In that new universe, all human beings will be resurrected in a new body, with his memory and intellect intact. Then all human beings, all at once, shall stand before God to receive the result of the test. This belief presents to the adherent the purpose of existence and explains the phenomenon that is this life. It confers contentment, tranquility and peace. For this reason we say that Islam is the religion of peace.

This in essence is what the Quran teaches.

Muslims in America are not just immigrants; 25% of them are converts. They came to this country on the Mayflower, or brought here in chains. They have as much right on America as you do. It is possible that you may have a change of heart, or one of your relative, and might decide to become Muslims. Someone then might ask you to “go back to your country”. Where would you go?

Munir, we had a person in my hometown deported back to Iraq, because he broke laws dealing with giving money to certain arab organizations. One of them advertised it was to help children get a good education, when in reality the money went to the murderers in hamas, so what’s your point? If they are here fine, but you better go by our laws and ways and not the way of some false prophet muhammed. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Munir,
The only think I will comment on in all of your meaningless ramblings above is, You said Islam is a religion of peace. Your definition of peace is sure different than our definition, or Webster’s definition or even the ONE TRUE GOD’S definition
Your definition is to conquer or destroy anyone and everyone that doesn’t agree with you.
Islam is definitely NOT a religion of peace.

You did ask what if one of my relatives might become Muslim.
I will ask you, what if one of your relatives might become Christian.
We would not kill or hurt our loved one. What would you do?

I find it really unbelievable that Obama, Bloomberg, and so many in the main stream media say that it freedom of religion that a Mosque should be build so close to the 911 site, but tha church in Florida does not have the same religious freedom to burn a book that is full hate for any one who is not a muslim.

That’s easy to answer — double standard.

Spike You know nothing about Muslims. Where exactly in the Quran does it say to kill infidels?

Bob,
Obviously its you who doesn’t know anything about the Muslims. John’s post below at 11 AM gives you your answer. Read it and learn.

A lot of our Muslims friends are truly extrememly nice, but when they are called to start obeying their Imam, then that takes priority.

We just want them to act on and do what they are asking and demanding from us.

spike,

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/823925/top_5_most_liberal_muslim_countries.html

Jesus would nuke the USA.

He’d nuke it with love Elton. The devastation would still be total.. specially amongst those who claim to be his followers.

What are you talking about?
The followers of Christ have nothing to fear. God is not mad at us, we are His.

Christ had two commandments.. love one another and love god. I don’t see these simple commandments being met by a lot of so called Christians.

Duende must have changed sides from the christian side to the ways of islam. Traitor! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

It’s always odd how non Christians want to tell Christians how they are supposed to act.
God also tells us not to have any other ‘gods’ before us.

Duende,
11Corinithians 6:14 be ye not unequally yoiked together with UNBELIEVERS: for what fellowship hast RIGHTEOUSNESS with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Our leaders including Obama, pelosi, Clinton, Bidon, Reid, all of them are trying to link us up with our enemies, but more importantly God’s enemies. Why are they God’s enemies? Because they do not believe in or on Him. They do not believe His word. God considers anyone even consorting with a false god, or flirting with a false god or doing business with a false god as “WHORING AROUND” These are God’s words.
Non Christians are always trying to tell us how to act. As Christians we choose to honor and obey our Father with love and respect.
We don’t go out and kill these people, but we must make it known what they are and who they are and what they stand for. Satan comes in as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. The scripture actually says,
1Peter 5:8: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

Wow, that sounds like Islam seeking to devour the world for their god satan. So their very actions prove WHO their leader is. They murder woman for being raped, they say its alright to lie to us (taqiyya) and murder us, their leader is a pedophile, they promote violence, they use their children, esp. male children as sex toys, and if they don’t want to be thier sex toy, they throw acid on them. Now they want to come to America and conquer our Great Country for Islam.

IT WON’T HAPPEN!

God? God is an English word, is it not? English language is only 600 years old. So what did they call the Creator during the time of Jesus? Certainly not “God”! The word does not exist in Aramaic language, which is what people spoke back then! So what is the word for the Creator in Aramaic? “ELOI, ELOI, Lama sabakhthani” says the bible. This is the only sentence of Aramaic in the bible. How did they pronounce “ELOI”? Just consult any interactive Aramaic pronunciation guide. “ELO” in Aramaic is pronounced, “Al-Law”!

It doesn’t really matter what they called him, but what does matter is which one is the real one. Which one is real God or allah? The muslims didn’t really start saying allah till the days of muhammed and the false scriptures of the koran. The Judeo-Christian God is the one true God. Always has been and always will be! FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

There is only one Creator, the real one. There just isn’t any other Creator. The creator creates effortlessly and does not procreate. Why would the Creator have a son? Please think! If the Creator had a son _ a sort of a baby-Creator, then there would be two Creators. The old Creator, and the baby-creator.

Do you not agree that the Creator is only ONE? If that Creator is immortal, why would he need to procreate? You need to, because you will die. The Creator would never die.

Think about it!

Jesus called his God _ Please note, he had a God. The one whom you call God, had a God of his own, and he announced that his God was your God _ ElO. The bible says so. Please note again. That word is in the bible. That Aramaic word is pronounced AL_LAW in Aramaic language. Please check it out. That is exactly what the Muslims call God! Muslims call God exactly what Jesus called his God.

Since I can’t comment directly to Munir’s statement about the creator not having a son, I’m more of a mind that he had an enormous amount of children.. we are all children of God. The image we are created in is not of two arms and a leg but in our hearts. When our hearts are bitter, regardless of our “reasoning” we are removing ourselves from his grace.

Munir: Jesus is God in the form of the Son. He cried out “Oh my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” during his Passion because he had chosen, for our sake, to become human through being born of the Virgin Mary and to experience the human condition and then offer himself up as the perfect sacrifice to atone for our sins. After he was crucified (yes, I know that the Quran denies this), he rose from the dead to (re)assume his eternal form. Islam, which is a bastardization of heterdox Christianity, Judaism, and paganism, has (attempted to) subsume Jesus as a mere prophet instead of admitting his true status.

Duende, Wish you had written something I can answer. Insults simply have to be shrugged off.

Andy, Jesus was the God who was the son? Who was the God who was the father? Who was the one God called the ghost.

Jesus was God, you say? Then Jesus died? How could God die?

Andy,
Sure I can explain jizya for you.

Only Muslims can be drafted or conscripted in the army, to defend the Islamic State against the invaders. Islam does not place the obligation upon the non-believers to fight to defend the State, the ideology of which they do not believe.

They are exempt from military duty, upon payment of a tax called Jizya.

Of course if they wish to register for military duty voluntarily, then the tax is waived.

If the non-Muslim cannot afford to pay, even then the jizya is waived.

The propaganda churned about jizya is of course the Christian propaganda.

That is the well known teaching of the sharia!

Why munir, are we being hypocritical in our beliefs? You said that muslims believe in Jesus, but then you turn around and say that God has no son. How can you believe in Jesus and say God has no son? Jesus is the SON OF GOD, no other way to put it. If you don’t believe in Jesus, why he came to earth, and why he died on the cross, you can NEVER, NEVER, NEVER get into heaven. The muslims will be going somewhere after they die, but there won’t be this lie of 70 virgins waiting for them. Just fire and brimstone in Hades! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Munir: “Jizya” is another word for extortion. Pay the Jizya or suffer the consequences.

Munir. You think I said something insulting? It certainly wasn’t intended. however if you do think that the metaphorical reference to us all being children of God is an insult then I’m totally at a loss.

Munir,
I don’t know if you have noticed it or not, we speak English. Of course God is an English word.
God said His name is I AM THAT I AM.
His name is also JEALOUS,
His name is YHVH pronounced Ya ha veh.
Only some of the Bible was written in Aramaic. Most of it was written in Hebrew -The Old Testament, and Greek, the New Testament.
ELOI may have been pronounced Al-LAW, but you have no comprehension Who that is. Your prophet Muhammad was nothing more than a mere man, who was also a pedophile, who thought he heard from God. Finally evolved into someone who decided he was God’s avenger. You all have taken that even further. You have made your god fit what men want to believe and enjoy, which the basic of it is to abuse women and children.. You all use little boys as your sex toys, and your women are no more than breeders and your little girls have no value whatsoever except to be abused. Any logical person who can think and reason would know that this is the total opposite of what the ONE TRUE GOD tells us is true and what a loving God would have us do.
Islam is totally opposite of what THE ONE TRUE GOD stands for. The only one we know of that believes like you do is called Satan, the Old Dragon, known by many names. Satan also fit’s the picture of Islam, so what are we supposed to think? Especially when we hear you twisting the truth into such distortment.

One VERY MAJOR POINT however is Jesus while dying on the Cross was quoting scripture, and the people around Him thought he was calling out for Elias. So much for Eloi sounding like Al-Law!

I agree that the constitution might give the right to burn books. Christians have burnt books before. However, according to the local laws, burning of books is illegal, and the pastor was denied the permit he sought.

Please tell me, Munir which law bans the pastor in Florida, from burning books?