I thought the (TEA Party) seniors wanted “personal responsibility”….NO ENTITLEMENTS. Social Security is UN- Constitutional. You can’t have it both ways.

He also forgot to mention COLA is for off setting inflation…which we didn’t have.

It is Greggg. Duhh. But those people already PAID their money into it. It’s a catch 22 now, just as it was designed to be. They deserve back what the were FORCED to pay into.

Greg, why shouldn’t they get it. They have paid into it all their working lives. Would you want to deprive folks who are now unable to work of something they have earned? Come on, Greg, you really don’t meant this.

Wayne…please read the entire post.

Greg,

Man you are not right, social security is constitutional read this http://www.ssa.gov/history/court.html For any person who’s on SS, SSD, and other forms of SS have been entitled to a COLA, Cost Of Living Adjustments in accordance with current law. Now, all federal retirees and elderly on SS receive money’s from the government, when CPI Consummer Price Index is up every federal/SS recipient gets there COLA increase, when the CPI is down no one gets a COLA increase.

I’m retired Navy, my retainer check and COLA increases are dermined by the CPI, I did not see a COLA raise this year and won’t see one next year. The gentalman who posted above may even be correct, we may not see our next raise until 2013 or 2014.

Greg says:
September 8, 2010 at 10:52 am

I thought the (TEA Party) seniors wanted “personal responsibility”….NO ENTITLEMENTS. Social Security is UN- Constitutional. You can’t have it both ways.
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My point was and is that you can’t cry because you aren’t getting increases in your entitlements when in the next breath you want to say entitlements are UN-Constitutional.
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Five goals from the tea parties
Leaders want to repeal health care, cut federal programs.
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What happens if the tea parties win in November?
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If candidates sympathetic to the movement gain power, the activists will have influence inside the halls of the Capitol for the first time. We asked tea-party leaders what they plan to do once they can put down the protest signs and participate in lawmaking.
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Unsurprisingly, different groups within the movement had different ideas of what should happen next.
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Some in the intentionally leaderless movement want to focus on social issues like immigration, others on fiscal concerns like tax credits. Another faction wants to avoid policy altogether and remain focused on election campaigns.
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But they appear to share at least five common goals for the next year:
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1) Repeal the health-care law. Opposition to the Democrats’ health overhaul continues to bind the movement. Activists are working on state-level initiatives to undo the health-care mandate, and they fully expect conservative lawmakers to try the same at the federal level next year.
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“Those that won’t support the overturn of health care are going to be targeted in 2012,” said William Temple, a Georgia tea partyer known for dressing up in Founding Fathers costumes at rallies.
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2) Cut entitlement programs. Many activists believe the way to downsize the federal government is to cut back on social security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Even those tea partyers who benefit from such programs could get behind it, Seattle-based activist Keli Carender said.
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“We’re going to have to have a real conversation, and an uncomfortable one. We have to sacrifice,” she said.
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3) Hold the newly elected accountable. After spending months helping tea-party supporters get elected, tea-party activists know they will have to keep a watchful eye on Congress to make sure their investments pay off.
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“The real work begins on November 3,” Greg Holloway of the Austin Tea Party Patriots said. “We need to make sure that people in all areas of government, federal especially, vote along the principles that they will be elected upon.”
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If they don’t, tea partyers plan to fall back on tried-and-true protest tactics against the lawmakers.
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4) Focus on local races. Not everyone wants to focus on policy. Some tea partyers believe their movement should be an electoral one, focused on infiltrating government at all levels so that conservatives gain long-term power.
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“It’s time to put down the protest sign and pick up the campaign sign,” said Mark Williams, the controversial tea partyer who recently became president of a third party, Conservative Party U.S.A.
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5) Pick a presidential candidate. Tea parties clashed in some Congressional districts over which candidate to support in midterm elections. They can’t afford to disagree when it comes to the 2012 presidential race, Judson Phillips of Tea Party Nation said.
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“A lot of groups are realizing that we don’t have to like each other and we don’t have to get along, but we do have common goals and we need to find a strategy or we’ll be screwed,” he said.
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Joe Miller: No Social Security For Future Generations
09- 2-10 03:14 PM | Updated: 09- 2-10 03:31 PM
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Alaska Republican Senate candidate Joe Miller repeated his view Wednesday that the United States needs to fundamentally rethink Social Security.
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“Longer term, there has got to be a move outside of that system,” Miller told CNN’s John King. “Ultimately we want to transfer the power back to the states so that states can take up the mantle of those programs if they so desire.”
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Miller previously said that the U.S. should “transition out of the Social Security arrangement.”
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King, noting that Miller’s position is something Democrats have pounced on, asked Miller to make himself perfectly clear — that he wouldn’t take away Social Security checks from the people who currently count on them, but that he’d like to do away with the program for future generations. King asked: “Would [a person born the day Miller was sworn in] perhaps grow up in an America where there is not a federal Social Security program if you got your way?”
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“Absolutely,” Miller said.
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Miller, who upset incumbent Sen. Lisa Murkowski in Alaska’s Republican primary this week, previously suggested that unemployment insurance, part of the Social Security Act of 1935, is unconstitutional. “The Supreme Court has already ruled on the Social Security Act. There was a case in 1937,” said Nancy Altman, author of a book on Social Security. “Joe Miller’s in a time machine.”
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When it comes to old-age insurance Miller focuses on Social Security’s solvency: “I think most Americans recognize that that system is broken and they understand that there has got to be a change longer term to bring back some fiscal sanity and to ensure that you can actually have something when you do retire rather than depend on these IOUs that when we go insolvent aren’t going to be worth much.”
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Obama never taught Constitutional Law at Harvard!!!!!!! You are either totally ignorant or you are brainwashed. Which is it?

Q:
Was Barack Obama really a constitutional law professor?
When I was in law school, I addressed all of my course instructors as “professors,” regardless of their rank or formal position in the school academic hierarchy (tenured professor, assistant professor, adjunct professor, lecturer, etc.). Was Obama exaggerating or factually wrong in referring to himself as a “constitutional law professor” at the University of Chicago Law School even though his official title was lecturer?
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His formal title was “senior lecturer,” but the University of Chicago Law School says he “served as a professor” and was “regarded as” a professor.
Sen. Obama, who has taught courses in constitutional law at the University of Chicago, has regularly referred to himself as “a constitutional law professor,” most famously at a March 30, 2007, fundraiser when he said, “I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution.” A spokesman for the Republican National Committee immediately took exception to Obama’s remarks, pointing out that Obama’s title at the University of Chicago was “senior lecturer” and not “professor.”

UC Law School statement: The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as “Senior Lecturer.” From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School’s Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined. FactCheck.org March 28, 2008

Greg, I hope you are aware that an over educated person can sometime lack common sense. We need some one as our president that has commom sense. It would be nice for our president to have a business background, and some experience in running a busines, not necessarily a law degree. Lawyers, at times tend to muddy the waters so people cannot see the truth.

Wayne…would you prefer an unintelligent person? We just got rid of that when Bush left office. Education is nothing to be feared, unless you are the uneducated.

Greg, Throw that thought out the window friend,a true story, (no vid, or documental proof, you have to take my word for it!) a family member of ours, got a job at an local industry as a porter, years later, he became Superintendent and part onwer of the Company,all on an EIGHT GRADE EDUCATION!__College today indoctrinates__Professors no longer know how to teach crital thinking, they’re masters have instructed them to teach students WHAT TO THINK, INSTEAD OF HOW TO THINNK!

Greg,
you DO know that this article was later denied by a former professor, don’t you? What might cause Harvard to put out a false report?? Hmmmm, Oh yes, they always want a president on the rolls!!! How many do they have on the rolls now?? And to be able to say that they had a president TEACHING at their school at one time??? WOW!!! Get the hint??

Gregg, Obama is only educated in books, he does not have any practical experience, or common sense. To prove my point take an electronics course for how ever long as you like, in a class room, say for 4 years. Afterwards go out in the field and see if you can do the actual work. I guarantee you, you will not be able to do it. You need practical experience. What I am trying to tell you is that Obama may have the book kmnowledge, but he certainly does not have practical experience. He needs to go so we can put a more well rounded person, say some one who know about finances.

You die hard Republicans blamed Clinton plenty so where was your responsibility?

You know eddie, I rarely ever read your comments, they are way to partisan and usually lack substance. But, I am glad I read this one. Could you please point out to me where the “new rule” is written? You know the “new rule” that since Clinton received “blame” that it is okay to “blame Bush”. Such infallible leaps of logic are surely written in some etiquette manual on who to blame and when.

Jeep,

Please forgive Eddie47d, for he is drunk on the Ohmama juice and doesn’t know what he’s saying. Sometimes it’s just futile trying to bring common sense to a progressive/liberal like Eddie.

I agree!!!!

Even less responsibility with Wayne.

wayne,
edduhhh has been hitting the koolade hookah again and drinkin it afterwards!!

Thanks Brad, eddie is just a disgruntled Floridian…

You righties can stand any truth being told on Obamas’ behalf.You always go for the dope comments or the koolaid drinking crap!Then again that is the easy way out for you.

eddie47d….Must have touched a nerve there my friend? Fact is the TRUTH hurts, now doesn’t it! I’m not a naive college student, I have been around the block a few times. In other words, this isn’t my first Rodeo.

I went to school with you DUMB POT SMOKING IDIOTS in the late 60′s early 70′s. I saw the signs then and I still see it today. Problem is, you are now in POWER but not for long. Actually, I have never met a liberal-socialist-marxist-progressive man or woman that I could trust. YOU LIE, your lazy, you take things that you did not EARN and you hate America….period.

Robert,
Read a little deeper! They have NOT paid it all back yet and could still go bankrupt in this economy. what them? Another 100 million or more?? 20 billion?? Ford is surviving even better, and they didn’t take a cent from the gov!!! Oh, and don’t forget Chrysler!!! Good investment???? Are you brain dead???

Greg,

Go to the CBO web site and look up BG budgit deficit numbers, they were going down even with his war spending. His last two budgits went through the roof with defecit spending, why, because congress was controlled by the democ “Rats”. Sitting presidents forward there administrations budgit recommendations to congress who in turn acept or reject the budgit and for the last two years of the Bush administration the Rats have spent more money than a drunkin sailor. Put blame were blame needs to be and check out the CBO website, its an eye opener.

Please, Brad, stop confusing Greg with reality. When Greg looks at his lib talking points page, the real CBO numbers aren’t there.

You are so right. All I can see with my “Democrat eyes” is free Government cheese, a recliner, a coupon for an abortion…and wait…your driver’s license! Oh, it must be your wallet I am digging through (you know because I am a lazy Democrat).

You all blame the Democrats but won’t allow the Democrats to play the blame game. Another circular firing squad!

Eddie47d,

Look eddie47d I’m pointing my finger at —–> Obama and his administration to include all the Rats in congress, congress has been rat contolled for almost 4 year’s, look where we are at right now, today, broke and in debt up to our eyeballs. You and the left want to drown the rest of us for what reason because we don’t “feel” the same way you do, use your brain sometime soon, research the hard facts, we might have some time to repair all the damage done by both party’s.

Oops Greg, it looks like you “have seen the light”…better scurry away quick!

Allan, it’s no use. They just don’t get it.

I doubt he realizes when he leaves in high dudgeon, we all have something to talk about that he will never know about!

So much for free speech Ramon. This must be what Dr Laura feels like….

Actually CAB, SS was used first to finance WWII. And then all the “other” police actions (wars). SS has always been used for a ANY purpose it was NEVER intended. If SS had never been founded and we were allowed to keep, spend, invest at OUR pleasure, our country would have a far different history.

What problems need to be corrected?

What have YOU done about Wall St? Big Pharma? Financial Reform? Oil Disasters? Mindless wars?Credit gouging? Infrastructure failures? Outsourcing? Gas mileage? Bank scams? Alternative Energy?Campaign reform? Environmental damages (superfund)?….Who’s always against Reform of anything? Who’s against Corporate responsibility when they screw up? You have a hornets nest of things on your to do list.

I cannot help but notice when Obama takes a vacation all the nation’s problems get solved, so he can take another vacation immediately.

So yeah, he has fixed everything, so I see no more problems.

And all will be well-er when the old people, other than in government and protected industries are kill at 65 as a drain on the economy!

Lewis ;”kill at 65 as a drain” How moronic of you and I’m being very kind.

Bush took his share of vacations too. So they both are guilty of this as far as I am concerned. On another note, I did not approve of Michelle going to Spain. Since she wanted to go, she should have paid for everything and for her staff, out of her own pocket. I would like to go on a super duper vacation but it costs too much, besides I have too many dogs. It would cost me a fortune to board them. I wouldn’t leave them anyway, just being silly.
Also, new furniture in the White House? What was wrong with the “old” stuff? With today’s economy it is kinda foolish don’t you think? If we have to tighten our belts, then they should do the same. I apply this sentence to all politicians. I have lived through hard times but I don’t think I necessarily like stuff thrown in my face. Maybe I’m jealous? Nope, I am satisfied with my life.

eddie47d asks:
“What have YOU done about Wall St?”

Nothing needs to be done about Wall Street. Let them play games with paper. Keeps them off the streets.

“Big Pharma?”

Get out of their way so they can discover drugs that people want to buy.
If people don’t like the price then don’t pay it.

“Financial Reform?”

Lower taxes so business can get going again. Thats reform you can believe in.

“Oil Disasters?”

Happen. The people trying to harvest the oil have a lot to loose when it gets away. That is their harvest they lost. Lots of wealth got away.

“Mindless wars?”

Don’t happen. A lot of thought goes into any war.

“Credit gouging?”

Does not exist. No one but government has ever forced you to buy something and that only recently.

“Infrastructure failures?”

When they happen you repair them.

“Outsourcing?”

What do you need done?

“Gas mileage?”

Is a term for efficiency not a problem..

“Bank scams?

Fraud is already illegal.

“Alternative Energy?”

Is a term for energy derived from sources other than oil. Been using it since the early 19′s (Yes water power was used by the greeks 2000 years ago. Oh and don’t forget the famous windmills of Holland.) Alternative energy is a definition not a problem.

“Campaign reform?”

Vote libertarian.

“Environmental damages”

Clean them up.

“Who’s always against Reform of anything?”

Socialists?

“Who’s against Corporate responsibility when they screw up?”

Apparently Democrats and Rinos judging by the several big bailouts voted for by a Democrat Congress EVERY time and both a Democrat President and a RINO President.

wayne;

For your information ‘czars’ was the name given to cabinet members under Bush, and there were more then that there are now. Also, under the the Bush administration, government’s bureaucracy and inefficiency was answered with more government, hence, the creation of Homeland Security Dept. So much for conservatism’s ‘small’ government filosophy. There lies their problem, they don’t live by what they preach, and this is tru on moral issues, too.

Honestly, are you so brainwashed that you believe that NO ONE has read any of the bills that have been passed in Congress? That is a line straight from the mouths of the likes of Limbaugh, Beck, and Palin.
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Think for yourself.

I’m sorry Greg…did I say that I thought “no one” reads the bills? Is that seriously the best comeback you have? Man, at least challenge me a little.

…and btw, I think John Conyers said it best, don’t you? I mean, I know he’s no Limbaugh, Beck or Palin. He’s just a Democratic congressman. But hey, I’ll post it anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW7mOaPnYYA

And Greg, I am not a right or left. I didn’t like Clinton, either of the Bushs, or the fools in office now. I like the Constitution and the people that uphold it. I like free-thinkers and the freedom to be as successful or unsuccessful as I deem fit for MY life. I like a small, non-intrusive government. I like honesty.

Strawberry Shortcake,

Just goes to prove the left wanted this without serious debate or maybe they just fundamentally forgot how to read. My opinion is they were sold a bill of goods by their leadership and they fell in line like good little sheeple.

Why don’t we just start with Pelosi who admitted, “We have to vote for this bill to find out what is in it.”

Maybe I am mistaken but she admits here that she did not read it herself.

Does it make sense to anyone that no congressman took credit for authoring the healthcare bill? Then who wrote it? Bill Ayres? Jeff Jones? Bernadine Dorn? Makes you wonder.

And, lest we forget that all the Arizona lawsuits began BEFORE the Justice Dept, or the White House had read the Az bill. Looks like a pattern to me. But, I am just an ignorant conservative, I suppose…

Mick, notice that Beth used the phrase “Bush and his crew”. I’ve seen that phrase posted here earlier, and in other places recently. It must be in the Democratic talking points now. Notice how often the libs on conservative/libertarian sites use the same phrases, it is revealing.

It is hard to believe that people who are completely disrespectful of the sitting President and the Government in general, could call the sitting President a traitor. YOU are the traitors.

Greg,

The way Obama and congress is spending us is treasonous in itself.

You are so right Greg…all us conservative-crazies are just traitors of the current regime. You call ‘em as you seem ‘em don’t ya?

Greg. If we use your logic, all the people that were disrespectful to Bush are ALL TRAITORS! (Respect is earned, not an entitlement)

Hey Kenny why would anyone feel safe when Bush was in office?? He, Bush , was the President when 9/11 happened. If he could keep us safe that wouldn’t have happened. Then he just kept sounding the alarm over and over with terror alerts. False terror alerts. Then he created a reason to go to war with Iraq. He said GOD told him to do it. Not my GOD. Sounds more like advise from Alluh to drag America down.

To Jamie,

“He, Bush , was the President when 9/11 happened. If he could keep us safe that wouldn’t have happened.”

Are you serious?!!!! I had to read your post twice trying to ascertain if you were being sarcastic. If you’re not serious, I apologize, but if you are…well, blaming Bush for 9/11 is stupid beyond belief. I hate to get into the blame game – because it is generally a waste of energy, but sometimes one must stoop to explain things to those who don’t “get it” (usually to children, idiots and liberals. Ah, but I repeat myself). There are many who say that Clinton’s lackluster performance on defense and intelligence issues helped contribute to the rise of bin Laden, but I remember reading articles about the threat he posed as far back as the early 80′s so he was a problem even before Clinton, and long before Bush. Who is responsible? I don’t know, but to hold Bush or anyone person responsible for 9/11 is ridiculous.

Bush wasn’t perfect, but I don’t doubt his love for this country and I believe he did his best to protect us, especially after 9/11 (Patriot Act notwithinstanding). In contrast, Obama (and his wife), have proven through their own words and deeds that they don’t love our respect our country: past, present or future. If our Commander and Chief isn’t proud of his country, what kind of message does that send the rest of world? I also believe his obvious weakness encourages despots, who, like hungry vultures, start to circle when they detect signs of poor health. We need to shake off the stench that is Obama, Pelosi, Reid and others like them and voting is the only way we can do it.

In closing, the reason why intelligent people despise Obama is because we have long recognized that he doesn’t have a single quality – NOT A ONE – that makes him worthy of leading this great nation. Sadly, he can only lead us to ruin through his ignorance and arrogance, the two things of which he has a surfeit.

Don’t be so down on him. He cannot help it!

And he is probably not as bad as Chester Arthur, who recently had his REAL Birth certificate located in Canada, and it was proven he was an illegal non-citizen President. Explains why he cared so little for the country and was such a bad President.

But my Congressman has seen Obama’s birth paper, and swears it is all kosher, so being a non-citizen cannot be why he is such a bad President.

Gotta look somewhere else. Was he ever dropped on his head? Or roughed up as the only believing practicing Christian in an Indonesian Moslem school system?

Then stop blaming Obama for your shortcomings!Stop standing on his chest when you are shouting your venom. Both sides play the school bully after they have beaten someone up. “Get up you little coward so I can hit you again”!!

We are not trying to change folks likw you, Eddie. We are just working on the Independent folks who can think on their feet.

Eddie, I used technology to get rid of harassment from a school bully, back about 4th grade.

Obama seems to have adopted the policy of hiding rather than taking care of bullying.

Would he be interested in my method? Seems to me the bullying was similar. I’d be glad to tell him!! Let me know what he says!

Lewis Munn–Hiding? No I don’t think so. I think it is simply because he is not running the show. It is almost like he has no power whatsoever. It is odd. Someone else is “running” the show.

Amen Kenny.

Greg,

So how many vactions has Ohmama and his family taken so far this year at tax payer expense? Seven so far.

Barak Obama and his young daughter swam in the Gulf of Mexico and the whole family ate Gulf seafood in an effort to show it was safe.

Yep, he spent a whopping 27 hours down there…yee-haw! I feel better now.

Wow a whopping 27 hour’s on the gulf coast. Sure beats the heck out of 10 days in Martha’s Vinyard. Of course then there’s the trip to Spain that Machelle took could have spent that time and money in our own country.

I guess I missed something.

My map when he took the family swimming had him way up the Atlantic side where the oil had not reached? Did he do it twice?

Yes Lewis, he was up in New England as well.

I thought terrorists attacked the World Trade Center…maybe I got something wrong…hmmm…so, Bush just dashed out with a bunch of troops behind him for no apparent reason attacking whatever country got in his way? Wow…

Yes!! You have finally seen the light!

Geese Greg…should I do like a typical lib…see the light, and run away as fast as possible…you know, like you do.

Greg, Bush kept your azz safe after the 9/11 attack! The only thing I’ve seen your Messiah get up in arms about, is when people are calling him a dog!___His spectacular experience of running the Country witch only consists of, 151 days in the Senate, and a Community Organizer, just makes feel safe as hell with him a s President!_-grow the hell up and get some facts!__Your running Liberal talking points!

Eddie47d,

So who in the Obama aministration plays the good cop, oh that’s right Obama/Biden/Pelosi/Reid attack Bush at the drop of a dime. Get over it GWB has been out of office for almost two year’s, when is this administration going to stand up and take it like a man or are they to affraid because they don’t want to get their feelings hurt. The liberal media has asked softball questions of this administration todate, Fox and other affiliates ask the tuff questions that liberal media types won’t ask, that what makes them fair and balanced.

Brad,
Has it only been less than two years?!?!? With all the bull thrown by Nobummer, it seems like ten years!!!!

Carole Howell– You got it. Cheny called the shots, literally.

“Cheney”

Who’d you learn it from, Carol? AirAmerica? Wait, they went under. I know, Nobummer himself!!!

Come now, it is going to take more than stop Bush bashing for liberals to earn right thinking peoples respect. Maybe when the liberals grow a brain, stop trying to screw America by turning it into a socialist state. Things like that might earn them a grain of sand of respect.

and you will keep following your druggie of choice..Rush Limbaugh!

“druggie” or not, at least he speaks the truth and he does have the highest-rated talk-radio program in the United States so I guess I’m not the ONLY one that listens, hmmmm? As they say I guess the truth hurts, huh? Speaking of truths why can’t we get ANY truths out of this guy.. EVER? If he can’t release his “records” to the public which, should be simple enough, how can I trust him with anything else? I am floored that this guy still has “followers”… what’s the guy have to do (or not do in his case) for you “followers” to WAKE UP! I guess it’s all in the Kool-Aid?? I am SO looking forward to the day I can tell all you OBUMMER fans that “I TOLD YOU SO” !!!! That day is coming soon!

Lin the next time you get a chance to talk to Limbo see if he’s still mad about helping Obama get elected. Without Limbo’s help during the primares Obama wouldn’t have ever got elected. I think he hates Obama so much because he feels guilty. No one listens to talk radio except haters and blamers. Never heard Limbo say anything about Bushes excesive spending. Bushes vacations? Bushes failures from 9/11? If he looked at that Presidency with the same eyes he looks at this one he’d be more credible. He’s just an entertainer trying to make money off of hate. And your enabling him.

I believe the Sierra Club gave him an award as well for helping to underscore the idiocy of NOT believing in climate change. Rush helped the Sierra Club raise a record amount of money.

Wait Jamie…so you’re saying that Limbaugh was duped into believing Obama’s hope and change spoof too?

LinfronNC__I’m a Rush Limbaugh fan too!

greg, None of your Liberal news commentators have the knowledge or the following, Limbaughs got, and I mean none. One of your Liberal elitists, Al Gore, got rich off a damn hoax!_-there the ones you ought to ticked off at!!__ At least Limbaugh backs up what he says__your free to check the facts yourself! Unless your too lazy too, in which case will leave you room to spout off a bunch of lies!

Rush Limbaugh lies so loudly and with such conviction that the susceptible believe him. I wonder if he believes his own lies? I don’t think he does because he’s too shrewd for that.
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Now Glen Beck…he might believe his own lies and actually seems to be a pathological liar. He is someone to watch because when the meltdown comes it’s going to be ugly. It won’t be simple drug addiction like Rush…probably a nervous breakdown or worse.

Spoken like a true dittohead. If Rush wants you to have an opinion he’ll sure give it to you.

Let’s look at one of his outright lies…

Rush said on Jun 9,2004 about AIDS spreading into the heterosexual community: >>>”And they used that as — as one of the weapons to try to get people like Reagan to start talking about it from their standpoint. And of course it — it hasn’t. It — it didn’t, and it hasn’t, other than in Africa, and in Africa it is — it is being spread not just by — it — it — it’s promiscuity that — that — that spreads this, if you want to know the truth. It’s promiscuity.
But it — it hasn’t made that jump to the heterosexual community.”

In fact the spread of AIDS had made the “jump” to the heterosexual community in America.

It’s fun pointing these things out whenever someone wants to us Rush as a “source.” His lies are well documented.

Rob

Greg__ I’m not sure how much money, your masters are paying you to sheep rustle on a Conservative Site, you have perhaps one, maybe two at most, who believe your ideology here, why don’t you pack up and move on. You’ve offered no facts, except Liberal talking points, that are only at best annoying!

Greg, now I must ask, If Limbaugh lies, and all of us Conservatives on here are liars, why then, are you here?__It would seem to be so much more fruitful, if you traveled with you own kind, because you sure as heck aren’t getting anyone on here, to believe your Liberal Rhetoric!

I guess that 3 million listeners are all wrong…

2.5 million are listening because they think it’s a comedy show. The others are deluded into thinking that Rush Limbaugh, who has made multi-millions of dollars over the last 20 years or so lambasting everyTHING there is…old people, poor people, retarded people, homeless people, Democrats, Republicans…anything and anyone you can think of. He just says something shocking and some people can’t help but take it as Gospel. He’s the Howard Stern of political radio (without the sex, thank God). He’s a joke.

Then don’t listen you hypocrit! After all Rush is just an “entertainer”. Would you be so upset about John Stuart? Or, is it the truth that you just don’t like Rush’s politics?

Greg,
I have a handicaped son so I listened real close to Limbaugh the day of the “retard” debacle. All Rush did was tell about a comment a liberal politician made. He was not making fun of them at all!!! Get your facts RIGHT dipstick!!!

Unfortunately the Fox (faux) News viewers are the losers…all you get on that channel is propaganda.

Sure what ever you say, genius.

And, how much does the DNC pay you per post? And, do you get extra for each B.I.O.B. comment?

Jeep,
no, he just gets more time with Bawney Fwanks!!!!

Really Joe H.? Eeewww… Isn’t lunch with Bawney like watching train wreck over and over? lol

Let’s watch witsend try to skewer CNN & C-Span with the failure of Fox: >>>So long as you think CNN and C-Span are “fair and balanced” you will be misinformed.<<<

Really? Can you show us where CNN has gotten something completely wrong even remotely as often as Fox?

Can you show us where C-Span has gotten anything wrong? Be specific.

Rob

Jihadi monkeys…need I say more.

Robert – The symbols you use in your posts “>” can get confused with html code, stop using those symbols and your posts won’t screw-up like the one someone fixed last night —

LMAOOOO

And the Jihadi monkeys were a breaking news story on Fox News, BTW.

I know for sure that I will not be voting for the Palin and Angle types…that you can be sure of! (Talk about dumbing down the electorate)!

(Talk about dumbing down the electorate)

You were dumbed down at birth.

Craig and you are a Whiz right ROTFLMAO

Craig,
Keep her LHAO as she has a lot of A to lose!!!!!

what are you doing still posting???? I thought I read an hour ago that you wanted no part of this site and wanted to ‘be taken off the list’???? Guess you were never given the responsibility while growing up of figuring out how to do something yourself! Hope you’ve found the button to click by now

ciniowa is just a piad shrill for the DNC. If it stops posting, then it doesn’t get paid! Well, except for the union money and welfare handouts…

Thank you Greg, for posting the real Chuck Green’s article. I like the article and I agree with all it says and I voted for Obama, I do not regret my vote, cause I know a vote for McCain would have brought nothing better and maybe worse.

As for transparency in Government, why he promised such a thing knowing Big Business would not allow the people that much info into their affairs in running this country. They have to keep up this ‘right/left, Dem/Rep picture to be able to pull off their deals. I do not know, maybe he was deluded. Maybe he did not really know the Pres has no real power to change much. Maybe he knew he was misleading and that he could never pull this off.

And why may I ask would a person try to pass off something else in place of the real article and do they realize that was a lie and that lies are ‘unchristianlike behavior? LOL

Whatever, what Chuck Green neglected? Or was afraid to print? was, who really has the power, who really pulls the strings in the Government supposed to be by the people, of the people and for the people.

I notice you have this thing about big business. Do you truly fail to understand that big business has absolutely no power over you (or the government) that you do not allow? Stop buying their products and big business folds like a house of cards.

Something else of interest. It is not big business that is coming to my house and pointing a gun to my head and demanding that I buy health insurance.

Though with the proper twist of logic you could say that big business forced all those nice ballless congresspeople to vote for that law.

Vicki, Well said!!!

Thanks

Adsolutely Right Vicki, the Liberals would like us to believe, they run the everything, but its the consumers that run the economy. And the Consumers have pulled up reigns and stopped buying what they don’t need!! And the Liberals are directly responcible for striking fear in the peoples wallets, with threatening more taxes, more regulation and gut wrenching spending!__A recession is brought on by fear!!

Vicki,
I think she is bitter about two things. She was laid off and having trouble making ends meet. I don’t blame her for being bitter, but she should be bitter at the one that let her down. Nobama promised her to bring on the jobs and fix the economy. She is bitter about that because she fell for his line hook line and sinker!!
Two, she is bitter that the courts decided against her hero by saying that big business could donate to politicians!

Cribster, We have a friend who voted for Bambi, she keeps saying what an eloquent speaker Bambi is!__To that I said “if only his policies we’re as good as his mouth!”___She was NOT AMUSED!__lol

…and he tries to use his idea of jokes to enhance his speeches, but the joke is always at someone elses ( Bush or the Republicans) expense. He doesn’t even realize the joke is HIM.

He doesn’t even claim to be Pres. of all of the people. He is not Pres. for Arizona, he is not the Pres. for Republicans, he is not President for most of the United States as he appologized for the United States. Yep, he is a big joke, but he is a BAD JOKE.

jANA, So true!__I cannot for the life of me believe that this man or child whatever ya wanna call him, has agreed to sue one of our own States over securing the borders!_-IT IS JUST UNFATHOMABLE TO ME, In my book he’s nothing but a traitor!

Well about him being against Arizona securing its borders to Mexico, He cannot stand up to big business who wants all that cheap labor, Hello, folks, you do not have a clue who runs this country do you?

Carroll, yeah we know who runs the Country, their name is Rothchilds, Soros, Obamas puppet masters___ now google it and find out for yourself!

A real man would stand up for what is right. Obama is not a man and has no clue what is right.

Down the memory hole eh, Reagan did blame Carter, you do not remember? And Bush blamed Clinton for 9/11, have you forgotten?

Conservative at Birth,

I am not embarrassed, what I am is disappointed. But I have had my eyes opened now. The President has very little power.

I am learning right and left now just who runs this country, our last real president was assassinated and every one we have had since is little more than a figure head or puppet.

It matters very little which party runs things the people’s business gets pushed aside for big business and special interests (like the Israel lobby and I just found out Saudi Arabia has a lot of power here also, wonder what other foreign nation our congress and president answer to)

I know all republicans are not as thick headed as the ones here, cause I know many who do not follow like sheep and do think for themselves, they know the GOP has changed, and they know our politicians are bought and paid for and that we are in big trouble because of it.

But so many people here are just plain brainwashed if not straight up NeoCons.

So true Carole

So true Carole, OBAMA DOESN’T HAVE MUCH POWER, its your damned Liberal Congress thats been in there, two years BEFORE BUSH LEFT OFFICE, SO QUITE FRANKLY BUSH DIDN’T HAVE THE POWER EITHER, NOW DID HE?_)__THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID!!!!!!!

Anna,
Or perhaps he follows orders just as Bush did. eh? These same people who run things here also have threatened and assassinated the leaders of other foreign nations (read Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins, an easy enlightening read)How do we know they do not threaten our own Presidents to get their way?

This could be another reason you could add to your list Anna.

Othertim, the only he was, was Senator for what 151 days???__and a acorn sucking Community Organizer!__That makes me feel safe as hell, how about you?

OtherTim, The only experience he had I meant to say, sorry mispelled.

Mick, the libs better wake the hell up!

I was thinking the same thing about ciniowa…young and uneducated or both…who knows? A good education on history and human nature might help what MIGHT just be another soul with a heart, but a seriously under fed brain…one can only hope.

Wait Jaimie…you mean to say that the Democrats were for WARRRR????

Jamie, Obviously your bed partners, the Demcraps, didn’t learn a damn thing either, except how to spend more money in a shorter period of time, than the rest__so what’s your point?

Angle and i do mean Angle my point is that you did a poor job governing and if elected you’ll do a poor job again. Tell me one good thing that came from the Bush years?? ANYTHING!!!!

Jamie, we were’nt attacked again after 9/11?!_Thats good enough for me!!!Baby!__Besides The liberals were in power the last two years of Bushes office, the only power he had was to veto them.

Jamie, in power in the house and Senate.

Much lower unemployment even in the bad times.
No successful attacks by terrorists
Tax cuts that helped everyone

There are just 3 to get you started.

Jamie,
“What would the right do if 9/11 happened today?” They would blame him for it as HE has been in office just shy of two years. Bush was in office what less than a year? I checked, 9 months!! he sure worked fast to cause that, didn’t he??

Of course he (Obama) is. The unasked question is “Better for whom?”

Steve Dolyniuk___LMAO!

Conservative at Birth, The only good for the Democraps is, they’ll be more leeches, eventually to suck off the entitlement teat program, thats all!__They could less about us or America!

You are confusing Republican RINO’s with conservatives. Even the Democrat party occasionally has a conservative.

Which side is that? My side is The United States of America. Which side is your’s?

Sorry to inform you of your error. The top tax rate was lowered from 39.6% to 35%. The lowest tax rate was lowered from 15% to 10%. the middle tax rate was lowered from 28% to 25%. It seems to me, that in terms of percentage decrease that the lower tax rates fared the best. What say you now?

I’ll tell you who has benefitted from the Bush tax breaks. Everyone of us has. I may mean that the top earners got more, but I still got my exemption for my mortgage (bet you did too). I didn’t pay taxes on my health insurance and other health costs (but we will). When these tax breaks of Bush’s expire, you’ll get a real nasty taste of what Odumbo has in store for all of us. Until you actually think about what Odumbo has as his next card trick, you need to sit down and shut up.

I am so sick and tired of people like you saying that if you have a large sum of money you are trash! I don’t know how you were raised but me and many others have been told and tought as kids that if we WORK hard,as your reward for doing so,you will make alot of money! But now the rule is if you don’t work hard then those that do should give it to those that don’t and you should be ashamed of all your hard work! There is another saying that says it takes money to make money! WE all know that those with money are the ones who runs businesses that hire people! SO if you take more of the richest peoples money is there any dought that they WON”T have that money to make more money by hireing more people? ALSO these trashy rich people GIVES MILLIONS of dollars a year to charitys! So by paying more than whats fair will mean that they will not only HIRE LESS people but will also GIVE less to charitys! What gives the right for the government to take MORE of those peoples money that they from anybody elses? Bet you can’t name me one single government controled progarm that is makeing a PROFIT! I’m not by any way wealthy even though I have been working hard sence I was 13. I’m not wealthy because of bad money makeing ideas. And no I am not saying that wealthy people shouldn’t pay taxes. What I AM saying is that they should only pay there fare share and for people to quit acting like there is something wrong with haveing money. The ones that seems to have a problem with it are those who don’t know how to make money and those that are just too darn lazy to get off there butts and earn it! But lets go ahead andtax them unfarely and they WILL take there money and jobs with them when they leave our great nation and then we will see how good we have it without those trashy wealthy people!!!!!

Karl Marx wrote in his Communist Manifesto that a progressive income tax and a complete Government takeover of a nation’s health care system are necessary to implement his Socialist “utopia.” The rich are “trash” because they are an obstacle to the Marxists’ insatiable lust for power. The rich do NOT pay their fair share – they pay more than DOUBLE their fair share. If ALL taxpayers paid 15%, of their income in Fedral income taxes, after standard deductions, the rich would be paying their fair share. Currently, 15% is the lowest tax bracket. If you do the math, a taxpayer whose taxable income is $10,000 would have a tax bill of $1,500, while a taxpayer whose taxable income is $10,000,000 would have a tax bill of $1,500,000, 1,000 times more than that of the taxpayer whose taxable income is $10,000. That is a MUCH better argument for a flat tax of 15% than, “the top 5% of income earners pay 95% of the Federal taxes,” which is merely a talking point based on a statistic. With some spending cuts, a flat 15% Federal Income tax, and the return of gold and silver coinage, just think of how THAT would stimulate the economy.

I have heard that from the left many times. Reagan did end up with a deficit but it was in the billions after eight years even after cutting taxes. Obama has in his short time as president has trippled what Reagan did in eight years. If you do not know that it is because you do not want to kniow it.

And unfortunately, after a while he couldn’t utter a word because he had Alzheimer’s and Nancy and her astrologer were running the country.

Greg, Lets see buddy, any of your liberal idiots ever TELL A LEADER SUCH AS GORBECHEV, TO TEAR DOWN THIS WALL AND HAVE THEM DO IT??__I’LL TELL YA THE ANSWER___HOW ABOUT NO!_-WHEN ONE OF YOUR SO-CALLED LEADERS, DO SOMETHING OF THAT MAGNATUDE, COME BACK AND WE’LL HAVE A NICE LIL’ TALK!__UNTIL THEN YOU GOT NOTHIN!

Dear Angel…I am busy praying to God there will never be another wall to tear down. Oh, and yes, we Liberals do know who God is…we go to church…and we listen to Jesus when he says love your neighbor as yourself (even if your neighbor is a Muslim, illegal Mexican, or a Republican).

gREG, IT GOES, LOVE THE PEOPLE, NOT THE BEHAVIOR!

Greg, I’m praying for no more communism either, thats why I want your thinned skinned Gestapo, out of the Whitehouse in 2012!!!

Year Greg, I can see how much love you have in your heart by the way you describe Ronald Reagan. You are just another liberal who has built an ideology out of lies and must defend it by lies.

Reagan may have been a wonderful human being and a good President…but he wasn’t God (or Jesus). And for that matter, the Constitution isn’t the Bible either. Neither Reagan or the Constitution are sacred.

Even with Alzheimers Reagan did a better job than Obama. Thanks Nancy.

Wayne__HUZZAH!

Carole Reagan had class, Obama has a telepromter!!!

The only way Oidiot could have any class is, he would have to redistribute it from somebody that does have class. And I’m pretty sure, looking at the people Oidiot surrounds himself with, that people with class are kyrptonite to Oidiot.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN ACTING?

Gofer,
Great Point!!!

William, Believe you me, it was stretch to take his crap that long!!!

Good thing he had fresh batteries in the portable Tele-Promter! LOL

Arizona Patriot, your right, if the telelprompter wouldn’t have worked, all he woul’ve said is Uh, Uh, Uh, Doh!

Give me a break, When Obama started to get major opposition to his policies, is when he started touting back, and threatening his opposition to suppress dissent any way he can. Legendary with me__If you try to stop from doing something I believe is right, I will do it all the more!__Obviously many Americans do the same thing, and we gotta keep it up!

kenny__ROFLMA0!!!!!!!!

He should have used the word “mongrel” instead of dog, isn’t that what he referred to himself as on ‘The View’?

Strawberry Shortcake__That’s the only thing we all have in common with Banbi, is that we’re all mutts from somewhere else!___lol

ANGEL PLEASE!!!! Don’t remind me I have ANYTHING in common with that pussnut!!!!

Boy o Boy, you said it Warrior!

SueJ, lol!

Sue, At least the dog has it’s papers, we know were the dog is from.

JIM H, ___ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!

If anyone compared my dogs to any politician, I think I would have to give that person a swift kick in the you know where. My dogs have more honor and honesty than any politician. I TRUST my dogs, I do not trust politicians.

Claire, me too!

Jamie, no actually the GOP work ethic is, to let Americans find they’re own way. To STOP being a Daddy to the women, who have four and five kids, and let the Government keep them, instead of the real Fathers Taking responsibility!!__GOP wants to STOP, the Democratic misuse of the poor, for votes and to stop keeping them stupid enough, so they won’t rise up above, and get off of their entitlement programs!__They want people need them!___The GOP realizes, as I do, that none of us EVER worked for poor men or women!___That there is the working class and the elite. If your tired of being labeled as the working class, then get off your azz, do the work, get the knowledge and then you can be an elite too! GET OVER THE CLASS ENVY!__The Majority of the GOP also believes in fighting for the right to life, they want to STOP the sensless murdering of innocent babies,using abortions as birth control. Why, because our so called intelligent women today, are too lazy to protect themselves during sex!!!__I can say that I’M A WOMAN!__-THATS WHAT THE GOP IS ABOUT!
IT’S ABOUT AMERICA, THE FOUNDING AND RIGHT TO LIVE FREE WITH OUT OPPRESSION, WHICH YOUR SAVIOR IS NOT PROVIDING, WHEN THE HELL ARE YOU GONNA WAKE THE HELL UP!

Oops, another one who forgot that the Democrats has been in power ever since 2006. How many times am I going to have to repeat this?

Carol___ yeah, Bush was a God about as much as YOUR messiah can walk on water!

jim says:
September 8, 2010 at 6:02 am
you guys are nuts and racists in disguise, please remove me from your lists!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
jim………………Too bad you removed common sense from your list….

YOU ARE REMOVED…THANK YOU LORD.

Jim says ” you guys are nuts and racists in disguise. Remove me from your lists!
MR. LIVINGSTON, SIR? CLEAN-UP IN AISLE ONE!!!!!

Just remember when they start out calling you racist you have already won the debate.

About that Democratic Congress…

Bush VETOED a bunch of stuff. And the MINORITY Republicans continue to thwart efforts to get America back on track.

1.July 19, 2006: Vetoed H.R. 810, Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005, a bill to ease restrictions on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Override attempt failed in House, 235-193 (286 needed).

2.May 1, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1591, U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans’ Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007. Override attempt failed in House, 222-203 (284 needed). A later version of the bill that excluded certain aspects of the initial legislation that the President disapproved of… H.R. 2206, was enacted as Pub.L. 110-28 with the President’s approval.

3.June 20, 2007: Vetoed S. 5, Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007. No override attempt made.

4.October 3, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 976, Children’s Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (“SCHIP”). Override attempt failed in House, 273-156 (286 votes needed).

5.November 2, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1495, Water Resources Development Act of 2007. Overridden by House, 361-54 (277 votes needed). Overridden by Senate, 79-14 (62 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 110-114 over President’s veto.

6.November 13, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 3043, Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2008. Override attempt failed in House, 277-141 (279 votes needed).

7.December 12, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 3963, Children’s Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007.[24] Override attempt failed in House, 260-152 (275 votes needed).

8.December 28, 2007: Pocket Vetoed H.R. 1585, National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008[25]. A later version of the bill that changed a minor provision of which the President disapproved was quickly passed by Congress (H.R. 4986) and was enacted with the President’s approval as Pub.L. 110-181 on 28 January 2008.

9.March 8, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 2082, Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008.[26][27] Override attempt failed in House, 225-188.

10.May 21, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 2419, 2007 U.S. Farm Bill.[28][29] Overridden by House, 316-108 (283 votes needed). Overridden by Senate, 82-13 (64 votes needed). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-234 over the President’s veto. Due to a clerical error, this act was repealed by Pub.L. 110-246.

11.18 June 2008: Vetoed H.R. 6124, 2007 U.S. Farm Bill, re-passed by Congress to correct a clerical error in HR 2419.[30] Overridden by House, 317-109 (284 votes required). Overridden by Senate, 80-14 (63 votes needed). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-246 over the President’s veto.

12.July 15, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 6331, Medicare Improvements for Patients and Providers Act.[31] Overridden by House, 383-41 (283 votes required.) Overridden by Senate, 70-26 (64 votes required). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-275 over the President’s veto.

Rob

Sorry Robert…most of your 12 points I could care less about so your post carries no weight with me. Stem Research getting our “country back on track” is a matter of opinion, along with much of the rest…

Strawberry Shortcake,

So you do not think poor children should have health care. Aren’t you a sourberry.

Carole, Nobody has a problem with giving a hand up to a family, that needs healthcare for a child for a time___JUST NOT A LIFE TIME!!!

Robert, I’m just gonna ignore you, you have no real facts, you’re what this article is about, the “Blame Game”.

Those were all very good things to vote against. Millions have been spent on embryonic stem cell research and none of the cures are working out. The real progress is being made in adult stem cells. The moral issues are very real to those of us with a conscience and the money is much better spent in adult stem research.

MARY, We may have superb medical technology, but God will only allow it to get so far, he’s still in charge!!

Mary, Sweet heart, all the stem cell types of research were included, what is the matter with you?

So, what’s the point?

Robert Smith, What, more nanny Nanny Foo Foo politics?___My bills better than you bill?___Egads!!!

Robert, All those statements sounds like Bush just wanted to veto everything and the way you stated them there would be no way to see it any other way.. BUT why didn’t you list ANY reason why he vetoed them? Could some of it been because of the cost? Could some of them been because of the riders that would have psssed into law too that were attached to them? Lets just say there would have been a bill that stated that EVERYONE would get a check for $5000 a month for the rest of there lives from the government but attached to that same bill was a rider that, if passed, would make it illegal for ANYONE to marry and would be put to death if you vilated it! First is how would it be paid for and second is NO married people or those wanting to get married would like it! So what would you do? Pass abill that everyone would have pleanty of money to live on? Or veto it to save millions of lives? Thats silly I know but so is your staements on all those bills Bush vetoed without saying why he did! And by the way, I’m writeing Bush today because it is raining and I had plans! How dare him to ruin my day!!!!!!

James G, show cause for the veto, the true causes or shut the hell up.

All due respect, Carole, why don’t YOU go find the truth yourself, and just shut the hell up!

It’s a damn GOOD thing we had Republicans in Congress willing to stand up and VOTE THIS RUBBISH DOWN!!

How much of this actually would help STIMULATE THE ECONOMY, and encourage GROWTH in the Job Market? NONE OF IT!!! It’s just
worthless LIBERAL AGENDA crap that Obama wanted to PUSH THROUGH,
WHILE they have control of Congress.

After the Republicans get BACK control of the House and the Senate (and Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are both GONE!!) … THEN we can get on with FIXING the ECONOMY and creating REAL CHANGE that will get this country back on track!!!

Have you also forgotten that Obama has GROWN our National Debt by 300%, while he has been in office only 19 months!! ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS … and not just listening to Obama BLAMING BUSH!!?
Do you not REALIZE that Obama has pushed UNEMPLOYMENT to DOUBLE what it was before he took office? Are you LOOKING? CAN YOU SEE!!??

There is NOTHING more BLIND … than a person who refuses to see!!

Rob:
Did you check for how much “PORK” was attached??? That is why most of these bills aren’t passed, all the tons of “PORK”.

ROBERT,you failed to mention that everyone of those bills was full of pork spending.if it was just the bill itself and no add on’s,most of the bills would have been okay by both parties. hundreds of attachments are added to every bill introduced so alot of the no votes were, no to the attachments and pork,not the actual bill itself!

robert,
I’m not sure about ALL of those vetoes, but three stand out real well in my mind and there were good reasons for the veto. The troop funding bill? The dems had put in so much pork that they KNEW he would have to veto it! If he didn’t they would accuse him of over spending, and if he did they would say he had no concern for the troops. that is why the latter one passed, they had trimmed most of the pork off of it! The childrens health care bill? The progressive libbies wanted to include “children” up to the age of 26! I wasn’t a child at 18! Actually 17 as I was in the Army! By 24 I was just out of the service and had my own insurance! the stem cell research? He knew that 80% of the people were against it as being immoral. He actually acted in the will of the people that put him there in that case!! Actually, I guess that takes care of 5 of your list!!

You are spot on Kenny! I am so sick and tired of the left and it’s mindless minions pulling the race card whenever anyone disagrees with Herr O’Bummer especially that idiot Al Sharpton. Herr O’Bummer IS half white and I don’t like that half either!

NOV. 2 – Take out the trash!

Then why do you always drag blacks into the conversation in a derogatory way? Like the silly New Black Panthers or the Shirley Sherrod incident. Makes you look like one of them there racists so clean up your act.

Eddie,

Why don’t YOU get the mop and broom and clean up, since you seem to be the one who is offended, not them!

Thank you, eddie47d, for your sanity in this ‘snake pit’ some of these people are rabid.

EDDIE,isn’t it strange that you have been on these comment sites for months and very,very few people agree with you, on anything!

Beautifully said Craig!

Craig, HEAR, HEAR!

Poppycock! What a shallow bunch.

Eddy, it is shallow waster that runs making lots of noise and confusion

Quiet water runs deep, and the results are considered, no superficial.

Think. which gets more done, a babbling little brook hopping from rock to hardplace and back. Or a deep wide river…not much noise, though the power is there if and when needed.

eddie47d,

You tell the truth, so many here are here to divide the nation in as many ways as can be thought of. And they call themselves…patriotic???

With such patriots and the Patriot Act we are being taken down the tubes.

Carole, Oh Wow, I’m so enlightened, thank you, how could I’ve been so wrong___Now will you please wake up, your having a terrible nightmare!

DaveH, he was not being funny

MARVIN,sure he was.

Jamie,
Many in this crowd would prefer not to dwell on the cause and they would much rather blame the effects on Obama. It is Okay for them to blame, but not for anyone else, especially not Obama or anyone else with a D after their name.

To them the GOP is like God and can do no wrong, they follow blindly like robots, like a sickness.

There are some democrats like that, so loyal to their party they follow blindly. I have lost a few friends by pointing out Obama’s rubbery spine.

What this country needs more of is people with their eyes open and their brains engaged.

Who cares what Bush did? He is gone. Got that?
We just need to focus on reacquiring our Freedom. I don’t care if Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Clinton, Bush, or Obama stole our Freedom. I want it back.

Vote Libertarian.
http://libertarianparty.org/platform

Didn’t you blame Obama for that last week?

that was the other foot

Why??? Cause you could not afford proper shoes during his terms in office.

You conveniently ignore the facts of the Katrina disaster. That is usually described as ignorant. Are you an ignorant fool?

Robert , you need to ask the question “where was the Governor of Louisiana” when the people of Nawlins needed help ?
It was the governor who STOPPED ALL entry into New Orleans ,not Bush .
Also the economy started to tack in the Clinton years ,remember Fannie and Freddie ? Obviously NOT .
I’m so sick and tired of people talking about “POOR PEOPLE” in New Orleans .Actually they are to blame for their own problems ,they had the money to shore up the leevies but you obviously know little about the New Orleans government ,that city is full of CROOKS ! They spent the money else where ! The governor hit the rode ,along with the police force and major Nagin.
They actually cared little to nothing about this city ! AND when the south turned out to help N.O. they spit on us and cused those who tried to help . Ungrateful to the end , still are .
If Obama didn’t wont the job he should have gone back to where he comes from ,which if you look at the way he left Chicago ,you’d be silent and learn a few things on YOUR OWN !

Right on!

Blame it on the Governor, is that what you would not as President (that is what Bush did) They were American people, the president should not have waited it was an emergency, those people deserved quick action and rescue from their government. For some the first rescuers were the Canadian Mounties, and that is the truth. Sweden, Germany, Mexico, France and many other countries responded faster to Katrina that our own USA and those are the facts.

You are obviously one of those people who believes that no law should get in the way of your good intentions.

Besides the whole katrina incident is an example of how much better Bush was at handling a crisis than Obama and the BP oil spill.

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Thursday, President Bush asked Governor Blanco for the legal authority to have federal authorities take over the evacuation of the city. The request was rejected out of fear of “martial law.”

That evening, rapper Kanye West told America that “George Bush doesn’t care about black people”
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“From the week prior to landfall to the days, weeks and months after, President Bush was engaged. Bush wasn’t building commissions to study future hurricane effects, but was establishing working task forces for the current crisis.

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http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/04/bushs-katrina-wasnt-bushs-katrina/

Darn facts. They just keep getting in the liberal way.

So people should be able to build their homes below sea level near the sea in hurricane country, or in flood plains, or on unstable hillsides, or in fire-prone forests, and when disaster strikes, the Federal Government should rescue the ignoramuses with money from the people who did the right things? It isn’t the Federal Government’s money to give. It’s our money.
Do you think people are going to make the effort required to do the right things if the Federal Government bails them out everytime they do something stupid?
If you want to follow in the footsteps of Cuba, then just keep advocating Socialism.

Carole,
you say you are from LA near NO? Did you know that there was a small toxic waste dump site in NO? That was where a lot of the crap in the flood waters came from. Shows how STUPID the leadership of NO has been over the years!!!
you want to talk about a law getting in the way? What about your hero Nobama not letting skimmers come into the gulf to skim up the oil because they had foriegn crews? A law he could have easily over ridden for a few days! Bush could not legally override the constitution!

Carole, First of all if I were a “Nawlins Native” with any kind of common sense, I’d be asking why in the hell they left thousands of school buses to get swamped under water up to they’re roofs, when they could’ve used them 3 days earlier to bus, those with no transportation, the elderly and the sick the hell outts there??___Most of the chaos was created by, by piss poor flood planning, by NO themselves. Lousy evacuation planning in a city, that’s below sea level!!__To me living there, makes about as much sense as telling someone to go to hell, and then help them pack!

Robert Smith__AHH, now I get it, you slipped some koolaid in that smoke of yours, didn’t ya?

Angel,
are you kidding/ He’s got a hooka with koolade in it and drinks it after he quits smoking his dope! Just read his posts!!! Wait you do! Iknow you see it!!

The left has made their voters so dependent on government in that area they can no longer function without government assistance. Five years after Katrina many still have their hands out. If you cannot survive for three days without government assistance maybe the left should ask themselves if they are really helping people or through dependence on government making them weaker.

Bull roar, there we go with the left is always wrong and the right is always right Bull roar, and it is very divisive, you are a brain washed robot of the right, you are their tool to help divide and then conquer and you wonder why this country is in such a fix.

Right vs Left, Christians VS anyone different, Pro lifer VS Pro Choice and on and on. One division after the other.

Those of you who follow anyone blindly (D or R, right or left) ignoring facts are the real unwitting enemies of this country, cause w/o you, this divide and conquer crap could not happen.

PS you need both wings to fly straight. One checks the other nit wits.

Judging from your liberal use of ad hominim attacks and an 8 letter word starting in B and ending in r (euphinisum for B ending in T) it is obvious that the right has won the debate. Thank you for playing.

Vicki, TOUCHE’ GIRL!!

And you, Carole, are a brain-washed tool of the left. I see very little substance in your comments. They are almost entirely composed of personal attacks, innuendos, and condescension. Typical Liberal.

Robert you hear only what you want to hear. “Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.” Ben Franklin

FACT.
The US government cannot intervene in a state, Katrina and please don’t forget RITA, without the Governor of the state asking for help. Governor Blanco refused to ask for help until the next morning after the levees and the canal wall failed. The US military was on site in about 8 hours after the call was received. Can’t blame Bush for that part big boy. The federal Corps of Engineers and the local Levee Districts are a different matter.

FACT
I had an employee that was a state national guardman stationed at the Superdome. The state national guard patrolled the NO areas continuously after the storm. Sorry Hiraldo Revera, the truth is the folks at the convention center were at that site less than 8 hours. The walked to it from their homes when the waters started to receed. Remember the mandatory evacuation was ignored. MREs and water were provided in abundance to those folks immediately. If the didn’t have food or water for days, it was because they didn’t have it at their homes. There were large amounts of MREs and water for all the folks in the Superdome. I guess in Louisiana, even the poorest person eats very well and MREs aren’t considered real food.

By the way, Rita occurred a month later and did extreme damage too. Gov Blanco ignored that part of the state, did they vote for her? I guess the media and Hollywood didn’t feel like it was worthy of them either, so those poor folks were left to rebuild themselves.

Robert

FEMA didn’t cut the grade with Katrina/Rita
Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac caused the housing market collapse
Medicare and Medicade
VA Hospitals
on and on
and you believe the new creation of all these Federal agencies
with health care are going to be better?

John Silver,

Save your breath they are under hypnosis and can not understand your logic, the unconscious mind cannot reason for itself.

They are nothing but robots absorbing only what limpballs feeds into their unconscious minds. They are oblivious to all others. Sad huh?

Carole,
Let’s see, lipballs? Do you mean Bawney Fwanks???

JOeH, LMAO!!!!

Facts on Katrina:
Pres Bush showed up within four days. Obama and the Gulf Oil Spill?
The residents of New Orleans were give at least a WEEK’s notice that a Category FIVE Hurricane was headed their way. Most cities along the gulf evacuated. In New Orleans, THOUSANDS of buses sat full of gas but didn’t move .. because of the local politicians made NO preparations.

Fact also, eight years prior to Katrina, New Orleans was sent several MILLION $$ to shore up the Levies, to prevent this kind of tradegy. What was it used for? The Mayor of New Orleans USED it to buy himself a private Jet.

The FIRST responsibility after a major disaster falls on the Local and State governments. What did they do? NOTHING!!!! It took Pres. Bush sending down the National Guard … to rescue the ones hanging onto their roofs. Thousands were allowed to gather in the Super Dome, where they proceeded to DESTROY THE PLACE!!! Firing guns from the upper decks into the crowds .. pooping on the seats!!

What? You never heard of any of this? There’s nobody BLINDER than a person who refuses to see.

Here is a good timeline to go with your post Derek

http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/04/bushs-katrina-wasnt-bushs-katrina/

Spike,

So it is God’s fault.

Of course its God’s fault. If God had not given humans free will non of this would have happened.

Some Republicans and conservatives go back and blame Preident Johnson and that was 50 years ago. (some things were are are warranted).The same can be said about Bush-that’s history!

In my last paragraph, I probably should have stated that the Left will blame Bush for any NEW bad things that happen then. The Republicans you are writing about are not blaming Johnson for what is happening now, they were merely stating that Congress began raiding the Social Security fund during the Johnson years, thus the raiding of the Social Security fund is nothing new. It is true that Bush bears some of the blame for the mess we are in today, because he kept caving in to many of the Left’s demands during his second term. From January 2007 on, BOTH Houses of Congress have been controlled by the Democrats. The point is that the Left blames Bush for EVERYTHING, and will continue to do so for a very long time.

EDDIE,how you figure? the democrats have been in charge of the house 53 out of the last 65yrs and the senate 56 out of the last 65yrs!!!!!!

Wlmitch,
Be thankful for Social Security, brought to you by a Democrat, the Republicans were completely against it. Know your history, read your history.

Social Security is by-the-way a socialist program. As this country embraces both Socialist and Capitalist systems at the same time.

Now if we had socialized Health care programs none of us would have to worry about pre-existing conditions, or going bankrupt over health care bills.

Right now I know of a 14 year old boy with metal rods in his back because of a spinal deformity and has out grown them and needs surgery to correct it again, he has no health care coverage, his father has disappeared and his mother has only just gotten back to work, lets hope it will not be considered a pre-existing condition when her health care goes into effect.

We should not have to worry about such things.

BTW, Social Security, medicaid and medicare, and the Veteran Administrations are very efficient programs, and even though there maybe faults and snags, what would people do without them.

People would survive. Good thing too or we would not be able to have this conversation.

Carole, Va programs leave something to be desired, my Father was a vet WWII, I put his name in for a bed at the local Va Hospital, 6 months passed, they notfied me they had a bed for my Dad, two days AFTER he died!

angel Wannabe,
sorry about your Dad! Was it during Clintons terms, by any chance? Not that it matters, but I have heard of quite a few horror stories during his “rule”!!

JoeH, No it was seven years ago, Under Bush.__ Joe. I was sick about it at first. But as an after thought, The Good Lord may have done me a favor, when Dad died, before he got in the VA. __When I went for the interview, I found out, I would have had to turn my Fathers ENTIRE estate, over to the VA, they would’ve sold his assets to pay off, his bills. It was a messy situation back then, at the time, our daughter got mixed up into drugs( she’s clean now 6 years later and happily married) and I couldn’t bring my Father here to live with me, like I wanted,after they told me he wouldn;t be with us long. I didn’t want him involved in my problems. If ANYONE reading this, is contemplating the use of the VA, for Family, please make sure you get ALL the answers to your questions. And Do like I did, and take a hand held recorder and record your conversations. I do it on all important conversations!___Trust, but verify!!__Thanks Joe!

CAROLE,and the republicans created SSI,so what’s your point?

Carole,
Yeah it was liberals that gave us social security and it was liberal judges that ruled that we have no right to figure payments into it as payments deserved! In other words thanks to them, we may get it and we may not!!!

dan az,
No, Bush made him do it!!!!

I wonder if Bush has caused Obama and his wife to take so many expensive vacations. How about a date to New York to see a play for $400,000. Many hard working men and their families have to go without so this man can live like a king. How many people does it take to pay their taxes so this man can take just one of his vacations. When he is not on vaction he is playing golf and basketball. I wonder where he finds the time to bash Bush. Certainly someone else is running the country. Anyone knows you can’t take that many vacations with a failing business and expect to turns things around. Obama thinks Americans are stupid. Many are but I hope not enough to get him reelected.

The only way to STOP THAT PIECE OF PIG CRAP AND HIS WIFES SPENDING is to impeach him NOW not wait till 2012. And the only way to do that is for THOSE BRICKHEADS IN CONGRESS TO WAKE UP NOW,NOW,NOW, GET IT BRICKHEADS?????

I trust the American people, the Kenyan will not be reelected.

Such respect for your president!! And, I also trust the people…they voted out the corrupt/inept Repubs in ’06 and ’08 and aren’t quite stupid to put them back in control so soon after they showed their incompetence and greed.

Den is so?
bush again? why not get it straight in 06/08 the dumocrats held majority isnt that the facts?

Denniso – the lib plant is back! Huff post must be worried! Are you one of the “paid” plants or are you freelancing?

deniss, deNIsso, DENNIsso

Hey, cool it, co-oo-oo-olit. Your god is being defroc’t, froc’t. You libs all realize… you’re froc’t. Yup-p-p!!! You’re in de froc’t position if AG Cucinelli of Virginia wins his case against O’BOMB’R'CARE’s unconstitutional provision that every citizen must have or buy Health Insurance or pay fines.
See, Constitutionally (“Law-of-the-land”, stuff you libs despise) the government can’t demand citizens to buy anything. Chances for tyrrany were determined by The Founder’s Wisdom to be too great. Wisdom is good,…good. Constant, unchanging, “un-LIBERAL”. NOT FASCINATINGLY STUPID!!!

If Cucinelli, AG of Virginia, wins the whole O’BOMB’R'CARE dumbass act disappears. If Cucinelli loses, we are assured we under the domination of tyrrants – not any sort of republican or democratic government wherein the people have a say in their form of government.

It will be decided in the U.S. Courts System. Each of us then must decide: “How much is it worth it to me to live in LIBERTY?”, or, “Do I die fighting for IT?” This case will take Obama’s mask off.

Paid plant? Lib Plant? You’ll never know, will you…And, yes, the Dems held the majority in 6/08, so what? The bubble had been building for yrs and the collapse was set in motion by Greenspan the libertarian and Bush’s lax regulation for his whole term.

I’m am adamently against insurance mandates..the insurance co’s are the major part of the problem w/ our healthcare system and to force purchase of policies from those fat cats is nothing short of disgusting. Obama caved in to the ins lobby hoping to have their cooperation,which didn’t last anyway. At the least there should have been a public option as a choice for us not to have to buy from a private corp w/ million $$ ceo’s.

You people forget that the Repubs actually suggested insurance mandates for all back when Clinton tried to reform healthcare. It was a stupid idea then by the Repubs and it’s as stupid now coming from the Dems.

Note to denniso – Respect. It is earned, not given. The man has done NOTHING to earn the respect of the American people. In fact, quite the opposite. He has shamed us, and taken away from us. He has emboldened our enemies. He has given terrorist’s lawyers, while imprisoning our own soldiers for fighting them. He has apologized to the world for us being successful, and slapped us all in the face doing so. He has forced a health care bill down the throat of 68 percent of the people that didnt want it. And he did it in a backroom behind closed doors. Him and his wife have plundered our government on a scale only matched by the Marcos’s of the Phillipines. They continue to plunder and spend in astronomical ways on their own self pleasure and vacation after vacation. And you really expect us all to RESPECT this behavior? Are you frigging nuts? It is truly scary that there are free people walking around that think like you do. Truly scary.

I note that you seem to have no memory. Obama didn’t plunder the American people, the financial whiz’s did. They fueled the bubble,w/ the help of the libertarian Greenspan and Bush’s lax regulation. They made millions as the bubble grew,as did some in the upper middle class and the wealthy. Obama listened to economists who know a little more about the system than you and your buddies do,and knew that to stop the freefall the banks and auto sectors had to be rescued. It’s worked, as we are not in a panic or freefall anymore and the market has recovered 65% of the losses in ’08. You also don’t remember that Bush followed the same advice of emminent economists.

It’s a bit funny and ludicrous that lay people like you,who know next to nothing about economics,actually think you know better than the top economists from around the world.

The Devil made him do it, he still has over 2 more years to blame Bush, we can’t wait much longer.

Cheny/Shrub doubled the national debt in 8yrs from about 51/2 trillion to about 10 trillion dollars. They started 2 wars that they didn’t finish, one w/ the promise that we would be greeted as liberators…remember? Both unfinished wars have added something like a trillion dollars to the debt w/ another trillion coming down the line. The economic collapse came after 8 yrs of lax regulation on the financial industry, and the panic and freefall began during Shrub’s term. Shrub also forced through the trillion dollar,unfunded prescription drug plan for seniors.
If anyone is to blame,how could it be anyone other than Shrub/Cheny? If the Repubs had been willing to help Obama w/ the rescue of the economy and not start laying blame on Obama as soon as he was elected,
we could have avoided the ‘blame game’. Instead, they played politics w/ the well being of the entire country at stake,all w/ their greedy little eyes on the Nov elections.

Actually, Obama and the Democrats have spent more of our money in the last 18 months that Bush spent on both wars (Afghanistan and Iraq) in EIGHT (8) YEARS. Enough said.

The truth is both you and Obama have no clue. DaveH is right. Obama new what the problems were long before Bush left office. If he could not do the job he should not have ran for the office. Obama lied about his qualifications and he is trying to cover it up with blame. The truth is he has deserted the private sector in favor of the public sector. He has delivered pork to government and political allies but has done nothing to fix anything. He haasn’t even tried. After almost twop years he is just now talking about giving incentives to business to hire people. Then at the same time promotes job killing regulations.

I just finished making another post, Denniso, and said that the fools will forget that the Democrats have been in Control of Congress since 2006. Let’s not put all the blame on Bush because he cannot spend a dime unless Congress approves it. Let’s put he blame on your some of the Democrats favorite Congressmen, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who refused to change the way Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac was doing business. The Republican tried to get the two organizations reigned in back in early 2000, but these two Democrats blocked it as they were in that committe. I wonder how much they got paid to do that?

Wanda, and they are not done. Going to steal my Medicare to give to the illegals! And offer me a cheap suicide…or starving to death!!

Denisso,,,,,, The blame game starts or stops at the TOP. It’s called leadership, or in this case, the lack of, which is what this conversation is about.

I see very few people on this blog or others that are defending Bush’s last decisions in the White House. In fact, I have stated that I hold Bush directly accountable for starting this FOOLISH spending spree in Washington. Foolish being an understatement! IT would be the equilvalence of me or you having a $50,000 credit card debt and then decide to go our and charge $500,000 more to fix the proplem. Or, a better example would be, you have two children, one has studied and worked hard and the other has smoked dope and done nothing. So, as parents, you punish the hard worker and reward the lazy doper and you add that to your $550,000 credit card debt. Ofcourse, with the socialist mentality, the dope smokers problems becomes a “Collective” problem for ALL OF US TO PAY….correct????

Regardless of who is the blame here, we need leadership, not a whinning little bush blaming boy that is incapable of managing his own affairs much less yours, mine or our GREAT NATION’S.

Blame it on Bush, Blame it on Bush, blame it on Bush, blame it on Bush. When in the hell is Obama going to quit blaming Bush and take the responsibility for himself. Maybe he thinks if he keeps blaming Bush it will resinate through the people minds, like subliminal messages. I think Obama is a dud who is willing to accept responsibility for his own short comings. We need a president that will step up to the plate and let us know that we should all should be looking forward, not backwards. Come on Denniso, get in touch with reality. You are completely out numbered here. The majority sees what is happening to this country and they don’t like it. Blaming some one else will never solve our problems.

I don’t care in the least that the majority here disagree w/ me,this site is full of partisan rightwing hacks and they are the majority.
You miss the point…no matter who may be to blame for the mess we’re in, the Repubs following Limbaugh’s lead, started blaming Obama even before he took the oath and continued non stop. He’s not been in charge for even 2 yrs and the rightwing blames him for anything and everything going wrong. If they weren’t blindly partisan and would help instead of hinder, Obama wouldn’t have to lay blame on bush. The
Repubs took the political route for pure political gain and now you people don’t think Obama should fight back politically?

Denniso your a true obama liberal why take the blame when bush done it don,t you think after allmost two year of obama in office and his obamacare and give aways to the unions and the soros it time to start putting blame were it is due on your king obama back

Your jibberish bucket doesn’t hold water. Until you can quit media quoting idiotic statements and admit facts you’re just wasting space. DEMOCRATS controlled legislation since 2006. Find some math intelligence and look at economy indicators, unemployment rates, stock market, Just because you stuck Bush with idiots Pelosi and Reid, Frank, Dodd, remember they still had to put up with Kennedy and Schumer. Now match facts with crooks and liars, you can’t blame Bush.

Denniso…you still don’t get it, do you? IT IS A TOTAL LACK OF LEADERSHIP to blame others…period.

amen, Wanda.

I remember a song from long ago, Bringing in the Sheep, but it certainly has taken on a new meaning since O’man became the POTUS.

I put together and shared a more appropriate version a few months back and thought I’d share it once more.

Song of the Sheeple
By: JeffH April 27, 2010

Song, song of the sheeple
never will convince the American people
liberals like to show their hate
in support of the promise to fill their plate
nothing in the world could ever be free
not even health care for you or me
Song, song of the sheeple
never will convince the American people
Obama has studied Alinsky and Ayers
rules for radicals and muslim prayers
the words from his mouth ring truth no more
he’s a Marxist believer deep in his core
Song, song of the sheeple
never will convince the American people
government growth and government control
these websites are filled with his government trolls
if we lose in November we’re pretty well done
hang on to your money and cling to your guns
Song, song of the sheeple
never will convince the American people
pride in America is what we say
we want a free market not government pay
so praise ole glory and the red white and blue
lets show our pride, take back America too
Song, song of the sheeple
never will convince the American people
Song, song of the sheeple
never will convince the American people
Glory glory hallelujah the truth keeps marching on

you are a lost foolish person.

‘W’ did not start the wars, the murdering Islamists did

Wake up Denniso, if you don’t your children and your children’s children and their children’s children will pay for this obama’s mess. Is that what you want?

Ask Barney Frank and Co about the collapse. They caused it.

ONLY CONGRESS has the authority to spend money. Yes, Bush asked for the money but Congress could have said no. So, they are as much to blame as Bush. But, they wanted to have someone other than themselves to blame for the economy. Bush WAS NOT a conservative. As Charles Krauthammer said in November 2008 he was the most socialist president in the history of this country. However, Obama is going out of his way to break that reacord and to deliberately destroy our country with his Nazi agenda. Congress is willingly going along with him to help him do it–both Democrats and Republicans.

The Democrats took control of Congress in January, 2007. All excess spending after that date must necessarily fall on their shoulders.

It would be nice if some of you retardicans would listen to Denniso. You offer no solutions but have plenty to say about things that are way over your heads. Get a life and let our President do the job we elected him to do.

Okay, we’ve heard from the Adolescent Liberal Dave. Next.

Dave H, Apparently “Dave” thinks “we” elected the kenyan to destroy America and that we should just sit back and let him do the job we elected him to do…
No way in Hell! The socialists are going down in flames in November, that includes the Republican ones too, I hope.

Rescue? Surely you can’t be that stupid. Spending money we don’t have to “rescue” the economy is never going to work. That’s like spending next weeks paycheck last week. Get a grip and open your eyes. Republicans opposed Komrade BO because their constituents wanted them to.

Duhniso. It’s not good to see you back! I was watching a film at my church for the Sunday School kids called “A Bug’s Life.” In that movie, the leader of the bad guys said something that really fit this post: Queen: No, no, the princess is the one doing it now.
Hopper: Ah, OK. Under new management. So it’s your fault!
Princess: No, no, no, someone else messed it up.
Hopper: Uh, uh, uh! First rule of leadership, everything is
your fault!

Remember that duhniso! I can’t wait till November when we sent many of these cowards and traitors packing for home. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Thanks Jeff H., cool song.
Do you sing it and strum the guitar?
Thanks for sharing.

DENNISO,where do you get your facts,make them up? unemployment was 6.4% when bush left office,it’s now almost 10% and most economic experts says if you count everyone it’s around 21%.FACT: obama has tripled our deficit since taking office.two years ago,the total debt of the gov. was 69%,it’s now 94%.as far as the wars,it makes up 3% of our national debt!besides the dem have been in charge of congress 4yrs now and things just keep getting worse.

If you know anything at all about economics or history,then you would know that we were facing a collapse the size of which we haven’t seen since ’29, and that the economy doesn’t just turn around overnight from what was a global panic that began under Bush, not Obama. We had a bubble market in housing which is one of the major aspects of the economy…the bubble burst and the market shrinks by maybe 30%. The resale market and the construction market are both affected adversely and can’t rebound overnight to the bubble levels.

Bush began the bailouts and tried to bail the auto companies out but the Repubs wouldn’t go along. Obama continued what Bush started because virtually every economist in the world said that it was necessary to avoid another great depression. Obama didn’t bailout and
stimulate the economy to try to ruin the country or for personal gain.
He did it because there appeared to be no choice. If you have an ounce of objectivity you know that had Obama done nothing and let the economy crater even more, the Repubs would be calling for his hide for
doing nothing and letting the market correct itself.

Denniso

I don’t know what space ship you are on but I hope you have a nice trip !!!

Denniso – blah, blah, blah. All you do is spew. What CONSTRUCTIVE thing do you have to offer? Defending BHO? We’re not going to buy it. Nor will any other American with 2 working brain cells. BHO is a LIB DEMOCRAT. Congress is DEMOCRAT controlled and won’t give the Republicans the time of day. So why can’t these crybabies get something done? Nobody is standing in their way! Only thing they know how to do is spend, spend, spend, and blame Bush. And what have they accomplished? More debt in 18 months than GWB’s administration in 8 years. Increased unemployment, destruction of our health care system. Demoralizing our military, bowing to Muslims, blocking National Prayer Day, Blocking states from protecting our borders while refusing to do it themselves. Sure sounds like a wonderful job to me! NOT! Take your whiney self back to the Huff Post – you are not wanted here. Oh, and come back after the November elections for an update….

HERE ARE SOME FACTS FOR YOU TO LOOK UP REAGAN BROUGHT US OUT OF A DUMBACRAT DEDT BUSH 1 KEPT US RHE SURPLUS OF MONEY CLINTON WE WERE BACK IN DEDT WHEN HE LEFT OFFICE WE WERE GOING IN TO A RESSION BUSH BROUGHT US OUT OF IT 9/11 HAPPENED NO RESSION WENT TO WAR ON THEIR TURF NO ATTACKS HERE GO FIGURE DUNBACRATS FIXED IT WHERE YOU CAN GET CREDIT EASIER (CLINTON)SO PEOPLE WERE SPENDING OUT OF THEIR MEANS HOUSING CRASH COMES IVE NEVER TALK TO A DUMBACRAT THAT SAYS ANYTHING IS CAUSED BY THEIR ACTIONS BUSH SCREWED UP AT THE END ASKING FOR BAILOUTS BUT ONLY SPENT 300 MILLION OF THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OBAMA BORROWED TRILLIONS FROM CHINA 900 BILLION DOLLAR HEALTH CARE REFORM OUR DEDT IS 300 TRILLION DOLLARS IN 8 MONTHS IF HE STAYS FOR 4 YEAR WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE AND HE HAS GOT 2 BAILOUTS AND ASKING FOR MORE SO YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU RUN YOUR MOUTH ABOUT REPUBLICANS GO AHAED CHECK THEM BET YOU DONT JUST GOING TO RUN YOUR MOUTH AND IF YOU DO CHECK THEM YOU WONT ADMIT IM RIGHT CAUSE BUMDACRATS JUST KEEP ON TELLING THEIR LIES

Planolddude…now you’ve done it! You really hurt my feelings…I’m not wanted here? I’m not appreciated by rightwing partisan hacks? Boy,
I’ll have to slink away and cry about not being loved by dimwitts…

It’s just that the RePublicans seem to need reminding who got us to this point —their golden boy –Shrub! If they are still SO proud of him why don’t we hear them crowing about everything he accomplished while serving his 8 years in office. If it wasn’t for the 9/11–WMD hunt–Saddam capture–nation building chapter, he would have had nothing to talk about and probably been a one term failure instead of a 2 term failure leaving office in shame. Do we miss him yet? HELL NO!
P.S. If the RePublicans want to keep Obama in the White House, here’s a tip….nominate Palin. YOU Betcha!

I agree totally, the Repubs think we fear Palin as a candidate…they can’t imagine we see her as a joke and would love to see her run again. She already helped cost McCain the election and will do so again whether she is on top or not.

Denniso…How VERY little you understand about economics and FREE MARKET systems. Typical Liberal mind crazing MUSH! OBLAMA is doing the same thing FDR did and the only difference is this is the NEW NEW DEAL!…OR RAW DEAL!!!! FDR’s progressive crap prolonged the depression by ten years then and OBLAMA’s new deal will do the same this go around, if not more. It could take two decades to recover from this FOOLISH spending. Basic common sense or honest adult thinking, seems to elude you.

OK, history/math whiz…FDR took office in ’33. The war effectively ended the worst of the depression w/ war production and full employment. And, when did the war start? Was that ’41 and into ’42?

Can you do the math? Is it maybe a total of 8 yrs and 9 at the most that the depression existed under FDR? I wonder then, how FDR ‘prolonged the depression by 10 yrs’?

Do some studying.

Denisso…We do study and that is the reason that your liberal revisionist history don’t fly anymore. Fact is, progressive idiots like FDR, WW, Carter and Oblama have done more damage to this country than our enemies have. FDR’s entitlement crap was the prelude of things to come, was unconstitutional then and still is today, and is the DIRECT RESULT of our TRILLIONS in DEBT. Maybe one day you pathethic socialists may figure out that an honest days WORK and minding your own business is the answer?

Maybe OBLAMA should have picked another progressive hero to parrot, you think? Lastly, at least I am an independent AMERICAN, free thinking self-reliant individual who can stand on his own two feet without bitching and complaining about the “Rich” or my neighbor’s house, wife, car, etc. You people are pathetic!

“Cheny/Shrub” – Such respect for your president (whether you like it or not)……..and lest you forget, he was your president, much like President Obama is now (whether we like it or not)

Geez denniso, do you suppose if he gets Michelle pregnant again, he will blame Bush for that also?

That’s a difference between me and rightwingers…I accepted the sad fact that Bush was my president,even after the 2000 election controversy. I was madder at the Dems for not fighting hard enough in Florida than I was at Bush for possibly stealing the election.

No! the Muslims made him do it.

Deniso,

You are a mindless sheep with no basis to your argument other than propaganda. You ignore the facts. You are a moron and will lose. I welcome the day we meet in the street. You and your communist, Marxist views will pay a dear price. We are ready for you.

More threats from a mindless partisan no nothing…

For those who can spell…’know nothing’.

The “Devil” made him do it??? You got that right. Has “Bam” been checked for “666″‘s???

funny wayne, no point in checking obammy for the 666 on his head because he dies his hair black and it stains his scalp…its possible he wears the badge..

I’m sorry I meant Robert Pa

Al noway come November impeachment time!when the house loses pelousy things are going to get real ugly!

Hey, Denniso,
I’m not really sure what country you hail from, but I can tell by your language you aren’t native to America? Anyway, Obama had,has, and has had a choice. If you recall, he and McCain were called to the White House by Bush, and told what the Tarp was, and given input about it. Then the collossal LIAR on March l3, 2009 as he pumped Trillions of dollars into the monetary system, had the balls to have a smoke and mirrors show about the Bonuses for AIG. Now, sir, the bonus agreement was agreed to when the TARP money was given. How do I know that? I know it for a fact FACT, SIR. I have a relative who is testifying before Congress about that money on a regular basis. I cannot say who he is, but trust me, either the Pres is illiterate, or a LIAR or both, because he should have, and had every opportunity to READ the bill. So guess what? If you want to play the blame game, LET’S go back to the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION when the whole housing bubble started. It was a great way to grow an economy. Yeah, keep building until every square inch of land is gone, all the trees are gone, and keep selling houses to immigrants, and illegals who can’t afford them. How do I know this? I was selling my house in 06, and every one who came through it was Spanish EVERY ONE!!! When I inquired about more that half of these people to my realtor, he told me time after time, these were sub prime borrowers who couldn’t really afford this…Then let’s talk about Bank of America giving credit/CREDIT FREAKIN CARDS to people who have no social security number, shall we? THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN LET TO FALL ON THEIR ASS. Instead, look what the CEO did on new year’s eve? Right before he left? Yeah, Denniso, It’s all BUSH’s fault. Maybe you are a plant, or maybe you just suck off our government so you can send it all “home”…I don’t know, but don’t use big words you don’t understand, like CONSTITUTION, DECLARATION, LIBERTY, OR ELECTED GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. You are probably recieving some form of government aid, I would bet on it.

Dan, you have hit the nail on the head, perhaps, inadvertently. Obama is under “control” but not his own. His leadership on all the substantial issues that, unfortunately, come under his purview is delayed and, often, truncated because he awaits aproval from his Saudi masters (remember al Mansour paid his Harvard tuition). Even his halting, staccato, affected speech patterns, emanates from a practice of speaking to conceal rather than to communicate. When plausible deniability and pleasing your Saudi masters are your overriding purposes, you speak mostly from scripted materials prepared and approved, in advance, and scrolled on tele prompters. Mr. Obama can be summed up in one word “oily”.

Ed thinks it’s Obama who is under control of Islam.

What about Bush? He’s the one who let the Bin Laden family leave America even though most other airplanes were stuck on the ground.

Among them was Osama’s brother-in-law Mohammed Jamal Khalifa. He is thought to be an important figure in al Qaeda, but apparently the Bush administration didn’t do enough of an investigation. He was among those who flew out immediately afrter 911 while they were arresting innoscent college professors.

Khalifa has been linked to Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, as well as to the October 2000 bombing of the USS Cole. Khalifa is also thought to have provided crucial start-up money to Abu Sayyaf, the Philippine terrorist group.

But Bush and company let him go. He is only one of several other sterling examples of Bush administration incompitance.

Rob

Robert,
First show me proof that he was among the ones flown out. Two, One of your heroes let OBL go when he was handed to him on a platter, KLINTOON sound familiar? Three at the time he released them there were no warrents out on any of them. If you commit a crime of ANY type, do we hold your wife and daughter to bait you in?? You libbies want it both ways. All it boils down to is you want to rid your heroes of blame and work your azzes off to make Bush into a scape goat. He was guilty of a lot of things but not everything you try to hang on him!! Well your arrogant, two faced, backstabbing, America destroying leader is guilty as well!!

Yea, right! In 1993 and 2000 Bush wasn’t even in office, so Clinton takes the blame, moron! Cite your sources! Cite your sources! Just another marxist, gay loving, baby killing, lib who like to hear himself talk. Can we stop drinking kool aid? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

ROBERT SMITH,get your facts straight! bush had only been in office 7 months before the 9/11 attack,what about the 2 yrs the terrorist trained here in the US under clinton.in fact ,during an interview with CNN,bin laden said the reason they attacked the trade center a 2nd time was because of the lack of response after the 1st attack lead them to believe the US was weak.if you remember,clinton bombed a former training camp that was no longer being used.twice clinton had the chance to get bin laden,first time an ally had bin laden jailed but clinton said we didn’t want him,second time one of our snipers had him in their sights waiting for an okay but was nixed by the clinton administration!

I DO believe that there are NO “innocent” college professors for the most part. I believe that instead of filling the heads of the students that they have control over with theories of what could have been if the Soviet Union would still be in existance, and their fauning over the type of government, “each according to his own”, those professors should be tried for treason along with their willing accomplices.
Professors need to teach history and economics instead of rewriting history and allowing the inept congress to just spend their way into oblivion without muttering one single word in opposition.

This is a lie, an out and out lie, and you cannot prove what you say. However, if you want to place blame for letting Bin Laden go free, check the Clinton admin. 3 times they were offered him without having to spend a dime to hunt him, and Billy boy said no, and turned and grabbed another cigar to play with. This can be factually backed up by history, as it happened. What you say, cannot. That is the difference.

Dude, wake up!! Al Gore knew who Osama bin Laden was when he interrogated Ollie North–know how long ago that was? And through HOW MANY administrations was he allowed to run free and build up guns, ammo, money and Jihad men. Clinton turned a blind eye, and played the Oh, let’s send inspectors into Iraq to see if the baby formula has wmd’s in it…and gave them plenty of time to hide em or ditch em and let somebody else’s administration worry about it. Bush did plenty wrong by allowing the sub prime garbage to go on, and riding the housing bubble the Clinton’s created when they decided homeownership was a right, not a priviledge. Well, They and Bank of america, decided that credit was a right, not a priviledge when they issued credit to HOW MANY THOUSANDS who did not/do not have social security numbers, and what did that amount to, WELFARE. They got Tarp money to cover their ass, and what they did? I hear no one complaining. So, yeah, Bush spent money like a drunken sailor. However, part of his spending was on 2 wars, and I don’t think the day after 9/ll you all wanted him just to forgive and forget and be Osama’s bff.

Ed Lester,

Thank you and A Men. The rest of these guys need to move on and quit blaming Bush for everything. If they want to keep living in the past then we need to go back in the past to Oh I don’t know, maybe Clinton !!! Yah! That’s a good one ! Talk about the economy tanking, Let go back to the take over of our country’s economy by the privledge staus of Chinese imports with everything from tooth paste to clothing to furniture and on and on. Lets go back to NAFTA ! And how about the cutting way back on our military! How about we give a thought or two about Black Hawk down ! And I could go on ! Give it up ! Bush is out and Obama is in and he owns everything that is happening since he got here! The man has an all democratic controled congress and gets everything he wants even to the tune of ramming health care and every stupid bill under the sun down our throat and you people still keep crying Bush ! Bull S–T !

I know a lot of people for whatever reason didn’t vote in the last election and other elections too, that will not be dissuaded from going to the ballot box in November. They have had enough too.
When our elected representatives look down their noses at us and whine that the current state of the economy isn’t their fault and wants to blame someone else for that is the height of arrogance!
Mr OBUMMER shouldn’t be occupying the White House. Only sincere American citizens should be allowed to enter the confines of the most important office in the world, not habitual vacationers.

I don’t know about Oily because then, wouldn’t we be getting some favor with the Saudi’s? But, the way he speaks: halting, staccato, … to conceal rather that communicate…ED!! you hit the nail on the head. This has bothered me since his campaign. I couldn’t put my finger on it til recently, BUT NOW THAT YOU HAD THE BALLS TO SAY IT, IT’S FREAKIN RIGHT!!! TO CONCEAL THINGS!! YES, INDEED, THAT IS HIS GAME. Our telprompter in Cheif is so halted, and stilted in his measured, hypnotic speach pattern, that it kind of lulls people into assent by it’s very measured, hypnotic nature…

I totally agree, it is good to read that there are many others who share out viewpoints on this President and where he is taking this country. Going to the GB rally in Washington showed me that we are not alone…

You mean the republicans? Seems they are sure trying for last ditch efforts to control everything. Not one constructive idea to help the mess we are in, only put downs. It is all so very sad.

paying attention doesn’t seem to be your thing—-if you are listening to the left’s mantra’s sure you can believe that the Repub;s have no ideas–but it is time for you to wake up and have your own ideas and read darlin read! Look at history! The repubs are what we need…if you really listen to both sides you will understand the falsehoods that the libs are sellking you hook , line and sinker!

Dawn You’re thinking about the Republicans fron 50 years ago. This bunch is no better than the Democrats.

Right on Dawn M.
Dem’s have no Idea what to do to clean up there mess, so they are looking to hear what the Rep.will do, then these loons will steal there ideas and claim them as there own, then blame Rep. for not having any ideas.. They are so predictable..

Hi Dawn,

You suggest: ;Look at history!

I have. During the eight years Bush was president he took the budget surplus Clinton left, squandered it, and took America into the biggest debt ever.

We have lost the respect of the world and gotten into two wars, one because of a boatload of lies.

Afganastan is now a quagmyre that should have been given aid for schools after the Russans left. Remember Charlie Wilson's War? It was in Afganastan where U.S. Congressman Charlie Wilson (D-TX) helped the Afgans kick Russian butt. The thing he advocated was EDUCATION after the Russians left but he was ignored by the Reagan administration who were just interested in war, not in making friends during the peace. The complications after that left the door open for the nasties who hijacked the country.

Rob

First of all, Robert, the budget was balanced in spite of Clinton, not as a result of Clinton:
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5656

And Bush (although he and Congress did spend like drunken sailors) is paling in comparison to the Obama spending. Actually that was unfair to drunken sailors because they are spending their own money.

We never had the respect of the world. Liberals everywhere have envied the United States ever since I can remember.

And are you honestly so naive that you think education could have stopped the Taliban takeover? Dream on.

Robert,
do you really think the AQ would have let the people get educated?? An uneducated mob is easier to lead by the nose than an educated citizenry!!! And they sure weren’t going to allow the women to get an education!!! Get out of your closet, stop sucking your thumb, take a deep breath or two, and GROW UP!!!

Sorry rob, but the debt now is 3-4 times larger than when Bush was in office, moron! You talk about Afghanistan, were you ever there? Oh, I forgot, libs have no balls! Bush was the better president! At least Bush could prove where he was born, went to school, college, and where he was stationed in the military, can Obama bin Laden? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

ATShe Republicans have all kinds of ideas but the main stream media will not show them, that way they can control people like you. They control the agenda of this administration.

Do you also believe in Chemtrails, The Illuminati, The New World Order? You, my friend, are paranoid. If you think you can’t find the “truth” anywhere but from FOX News, Beck, Limbaugh and Palin…let me introduce you to a little friend called Google. Try it…but be careful…you may not like what you see.

@Greg

Some of us use Google and still believe that Glenn Beck and Fox News are more correct than the mainstream media. Sometimes it is all in the viewpoint you bring and thus the questions you are willing to ask.

To illustrate, I’ll use IT. When I want to fix a computer problem I have not encountered before, I get the error code and put it into Google. When it doesn’t produce the solution, I refine my query according to the problem I am facing and my experience/knowledge. Then when I get the search results, I scan the summaries on Google to find those most likely to include what others have found to fix the problem.

So it is when we scan using Google to find answers to questions on the internet. Do you really read every single article about Obama and the Government’s economic policies (way more than the 2000 page health care bill our elected officials did NOT read)? Or do you pick and choose after performing a specific search on a certain related topic?

Think of it this way. If all I read is stuff that explains how Marxism is so great and will save the economic world, you SHOULD expect that I will evaluate everything I read according to that expectation. Chances are that I will then disbelieve or even totally skip over conflicting sources. Well, then should you be surprised that as a capitalist if I do the same in reverse to communism and marxism? Not in the least. This is why I don’t expect those that believe in marxism/communism to really believe what I write. I know upfront that they are not intent on reading what I have to say. So why do I say anything? Because I happen to believe I have taken for too much knowledge from my fellow capitalists without giving back in kind so it about time I try doing so again and again as I strive to improve myself.

@Dan
We share our opinions here not to convince Denniso and others who are “certain” of their ways. We share our opinions to help each other refine our opinions and to show others (the quiet readers) that Denniso and the MSM are not as correct as they would have us believe.

Good comments, Dan and Vicki.

gREG, GOOGLE ROTHCHILD AND SOROS, SEE WHAT’CHA GET!___You too will be amazed!!___but we all have selective hearing, only hear what we want, don’t we?!

Jennifer, please drop your cup of koolaide and stop the addiction. The Republicans (and there will be a bunch of new representatives) are the only hope we have now to stop the madness in Washington. America is being destroyed from the inside out by this bunch of corrupt, liberal regressives, they must be stopped and a bunch of these ridiculous job killing laws repealed. We must make Obama a lame duck president for his last two years in office…or sooner, if we can make him show his valid birth certificate, pass ports from the 1980′s and college transcripts. I foresee a start of a new beginning if we can throw these Democratic bums out in November and start over with real representation. You will note that a lot of the old RINOS will not be on the Republican ballot in November…there will be more added before the elections. We want real conservatives that want to do what is right for the American tax payer. It is time for the RINOS and DEMORATS to go.

that is well said and the people who voted for Obama in the words of sara palin (HOWS THAT CHANGING FEELING TREATING YOU ) OUR JOBS WHERE GONE LONG BEFORE BUSH GOT IN OFFICE(THANK THE NAFAT BILL CLINTON PUT IN OFFICE).BUSH GOT INTO THIS MESS BECAUSE OF BELOVED CLINTON THIS HAPPENED DURING THE GREAT DEPRESSION BANKS BETTING ON MONEY THEY AINT GOT AND CLINTON MADE THAT LEGAL NOW LOOK AT THE MESS HE MADE.

You have already made Obama a lame duck and have been trying since day one. The main Republican idea I keep hearing is to make the wealthy wealthier. We’ve been there and done that and that is not a recipe for progress.We shouldn’t have to turn the clock back to those bad ole days of greed and market manipulations.

T eddie47D…..OBLAMA has transformed himself into the lame duck he is through his radical 60′s C&P agenda and his inability to lead. He didn’t need any help from the mean ole republicans.

I could personally care less how much money the “Rich” has as long as I am FREE to make my own decisions without this all-encompassing nanny state mentality getting in my way or my FREEDOMS.

Amen, baby! And while I’m on it, why are we depending on “their” ideas?
These people work for US , THE U.S. CITIZEN. MAYBE WE COULD TRY SOMETHING NEW AND DIFFERENT, AND TELL THEM WHAT THE AGENDA IS, GIVE THEM THE IDEAS, AND TELL THEM WHAT WE WANT AND NOT TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER.

Eddie

we,We have been there too with the idea of stimulus and spending money we print but is not backed up.

The Germans tried this, and got Hitler, and he really hittled. Hittled the world into a huge war, and his honesty level was about that of Obama!

Obama is trying end runs around our checks and balances, which is absolutely the wrong way to go. He speaks out of all 4 sides of his mouth.

Obama is stealing my retirement money and insurance to give away to illegals and kids who only want good times. I did not even have a vote on this…done late at night with a few selected people over a recess!

Dunno how you can justify stealing from the poor for the illegals who deserve nothing! Truck them back home and seal the border behind them, and give me back the medical coverage I saved up for under government rules!

Don’t send a “Doctor Death” to take my life away for a bunch of illegals!

Wanda if the Republicans are the answer what was the question. They just GOT OUT OF POWER. If they could do anything right they wouldn’t have been voted out in 2008 by 54% majority. The GOP isn’t the answer to any of this countries problems. There more like the cause than anything else. Obama doesn’t blame Bush for enough if you ask me. The sad thing is the right is the one running around playing the blame game. Thats all you see on TV. Boener and McConnell both do it eveyday. How long have they been in congress?? It’s about time for a new Republican blamer to be voted in.

“Jennifer, please drop your cup of koolaide”

I see this term used a lots when refering to obama apologist. I have what I think is a better one namely “Datura happy juice”

jamie learn your politics the republicans were voted out in 2006 not 2008 the president does not make the controlling party THEY ARE NEARLY ALL CROOKS

Wanda says: >>>Jennifer, please drop your cup of koolaide and stop the addiction.<<<

I presume you are making reference to the christian (and commy) cult leader Jim Jones where you reference Kool-Aid. It might be more accurate if you got the poison correct. It was cyanide-laced grape flavored Flavor Aid (often misidentified as Kool-Aid). It was one of the largest, 900 men, women, and children, murder / suicides of Americans.

So, Kool-Aid is still a refreshing drink that shouldn't be tainted with the falsehood of its alleged involvement in Jonestown. Please get your facts straight.

Rob

Jennifer, we conservative believe in our countries past history, 200 plus years of innovations that we have made. This would never have happened under a communist country, or a socialist country like Obama wants to give us. He told Joe the Plumber, come on Joe, we need to share the wealth (Communism) Look around you and see what we have in material things. We are way ahead of the Communist Countries due to our innovations, and our free capitalist Society. Why would we ever want to change something that has been so good to us. Muslim Obama want to change all that for Communism. Name me one country that has made more advances in our short time of being a country. You cannot do it.

Wayne…. You will never get a response back from the leftist progressive libs on that question!

and just another thought about OBLAMA making his dumb marxist statement to Joe the Plumber, what he really meant was “Let’s spread the DEBT around”, even to our unborn grandchildren!

Joe the Plumber… Ahhhh, such fine memories of that poor soul who was manipulated almost as handily as Norma McCorvey and her conversion by the good old Reverend Philip (“Flip”) Benham, national director of the militant antiabortion group Operation Rescue

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher (Joe the Plumber) was originally not expressing any particular favorite candidate for President. Then he got his conversion to the right.

Then it became obvious he was just trying another hustle. He got a small book deal, a few speaking gigs, and hmmmmm, I wonder how he’s doing today. Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher according to a Toledo Blade article stated, “Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber.”

After the election he was speaking to a reporter after a speech. Mr. Wurzelbacher said that “McCain was trying to use [him]“, and accused McCain of having “really screwed [Wurzelbacher's] life up”.

Sounds right to me, just like Norma’s life has taken a turn for the worst having been arrested recently.

Rob

Wayne; According to Dave H. that would be Hong Kong.

JENNIFER,i guess the dem have done a good job? they already been in control of congress for 4 yrs and things are only getting worse.when obama took office unemployment was 6.4%,now its almost 10%.we have the largest deficit in our history,we have the largest number of people unemployed in history,largest no. of home foreclosers in history,largest no.of business failures in history,largest no. of illegals in history,largest environmental disaster in history…….good job obamacrats!

Jennifer,
Oh you of limited brain power ! I have no idea where you are coming from. I will say this though, stand back and watch what is about to happen ! People of thought are about to straighten some things out around here for a change ! And I don’t mean Republicans against Democrats ! I’m talking about brains against just plain STUPID ! To control a President you have to be able to control the House and Senate! The one with more power than Obama is Pelosi and she needs to retire ! Get rid of her and you can control congress. The president can’t do one thing without the OK of congress so when you elect people to congress you need to make sure you put your vote on the right person. Just how honest is that person? The majority of them are not honest or moral and yet we just run in to the poles and quickly vote mostly for the incumbant and hurry on our way smiling at how we have done our patriotic duty ! When in fact if we vote the way you seem to think, we could be putting Putan in office and then we can justify our stupidity by blamming the other party or the past office holders ! Obama is in office because a lot of people bought the ideas he handed out, so much so that they didn’t even bother to be concerned that his birth place was of great importance, his school and college records were of great importance, his religious beliefs were of major importance . It is the sum total of all these things that make up the escence of the man. He spouted words of transformation and people bought it . Each one bought it to their own ideas of what transformation was and not to what his ideas of transformation was ! I would say that 80 percent of the people voted for him strictly because of his skin color ! I don’t think any of you gave a thought to the fact that he was a socialist in his politics ! You never heard any of that in his speaches. It was as if you were at a Elvis concert and nothing else mattered except that he was there standing before you and he wanted your vote and by God you were going to give it to him ! I have one question for you. Now that you got him just exactly what has he done for you ?

Grannie Mae
Good work. I wonder how the blacks in the United States, who voted 90% for Obama, feel now that he is putting all his energy on making the illegal (mostly Hispanic) people legal and able to vote for him?

And they will be controlling things after these next two elections Jennifer. And then the economy will start rolling again, and people can get back to work and off of the government handouts that Obama has escalated and grown again just like every stinking democrat that comes into power. The first thing they do is create more social agencies that we all get to pay for the rest of our lives, then expand these social agencies so that we all get to pay a little more to support them the rest of our lives. Well, I for one am sick of it. Having never received a government penny in my life, and being the one getting the ever loving life sucked out of me by the government, to give these things to the lazy S.O.B.’S that dont feel like they should have to work, and Im sick and tired of it. Screw the left wing liberal democrats who think I should pay health insurance for Joe Crack Dealer down the street because he doesnt feel like working for a living. Screw that, and screw every democrat and vote them all out of office. And you know what Jennifer, that is just what America is going to do, because we are all sick of it.

From Freedom Fighter: >>>Blame it (Afganistan & Iraq) on Bush and keep telling the lie, suppress the truth <<<

If not Bush and his crew who lied and got us into Afganistan and Iraq then who? Is there some connection to Obama's father? Is there a connection to his wife's sister? Is there a connection to his preacher?

Just WHO is to blame for Afganistan and Iraq if it isn't Bush?

Saddam didn't attack, train, or otherwise influence 911. That connection has been proven to have been false. The weapons of mass distruction are false.

Just how can Bush NOT be blamed for our involvement in those quagmyers?

Rob

So in the little minds of the liberals, if a president gets bad intelligence and acts on it, it is a lie? Fact is, Saddam needed a can of whoop a$$ opened on him.

Besides, I have a relative that went through the actual training camps that saddam used to train some of these terrorists. Saddam was paying the family of any suicide bomber $20,000. Sure he wasn’t in on any terroistic activites.
Steve M is showing his ineptitude and lack of knowledge AGAIN. Hey
sucker I mean Steve, I have some ocean front property in Arizona cheap.

Steve?? I meant Robert M.

Craig asks: if a president gets bad intelligence and acts on it, it is a lie?

The intelligence wasn't bad. Remember the yellow cake thing and how a CIA agent was outed because her husband didn't give what Bush wanted?

Remember the The Downing Street "Memo" that exposed so many of Bush's lies?

Rob

Keep drinking the liberal koolaid, Robert. None of that proves that anything other than Bush was given bad intell. Critical thinking seems beyond the libs pea brain.

Yeah, how would you all have responded, if on 9/l2/01, GWB had gotten up in front of the nation, and said”my fellow Americans, all of this is our fault (for what???) and we deserved it, I have decided to just forgive this act of terror/violence/whatever name you fill it in…and just go on about our business..” Do any of you look at a map? Do you see where these countries are located in relation to each other and the world’s biggest oil supplies? How about Isreal? Our only real ally in the mid east, and we shun her? Hillary Clinton whose administration dissed Netanyahu, was seen courting the Jewish vote standing in front of a sea of Isreali flags waving…I think, finally, even Hillary gets it. Guys, stop blaming and start electing people who will work for us. Either we keep these guys accountable or we’re sunk.

Spike, Please don’t even consider Hillary C. as a potential answer to all this down the line. She is not only NOT an answer, she would be a slicker form of the same we are getting right now. Study her personal background, this is one evil woman. Her thesis at Wellesley College was a diatribe in praise of Communist Saul Alinsky (whose political entre’ consists of any means are justified by the end) titled “There Is Only the Fight: An Analysis of the Alinsky Model.” Not only did she glom on to him as her hero, He, himself, invited her take an internship with him, and thought she was making a huge mistake in not taking him up on this, instead choosing Yale Law School. She informed Saul, that only by marching through America’s elit institutions could she achieve real power and change the system from within. While at Yale, she soon fell in with the leftist fringe groups. These views must be seen in the light of the times in which they occurred. These were the radical hippy-dippy, Socialist/Communist,Weathermen inspired late 1960′s-early 70′s. I know, because I am contemporaneous to her. I lived it, I saw it, and it was ugly for America. Her big problem with Alinsky at the time, was he was working on too small a scale, he failed to build a NATIONAL MOVEMENT based on his ideas. She VOLUNTEERED to help the Black Panthers legal defense of Bobby Seale, and was offered a summer internship at the Berkeley Law Office of Robert Treuhaft, a lifelong member of the Stalinist faction of the Communist Party. She has made statements about being proud of being a “Progressive”, rooted in the early 1900′s Progressive Movement. (research this, it’s a horror show of racism, eugenics, and vile elitism, ie: Woodrow Wilson, Edward Bernays, Margaret Sanger, just to name a few. Now if you really want to see how truly ugly this gets, consider this, Goebbles, Hitlers propaganda man, proudly stated in his personal journals that the Third Reich were deeply indebted to, and learned everyhing they knew and practiced in the art of propaganda fom Woodrow Wilson, and Edward Bernays.) Wow! Hillary keeps such swell political company in her political views. How we all admire that in her! Also, google up Cloward and Piven,(these are the people who developed a strategy for the destuction of the United States, by overwhelming the obligations and structure of the country, and collapsing it from the top down, to achieve redistribution of wealth) guess what you see, a picture of Bill and Hillary very warmly greeting them at some splashey social function. If you really want to get a look and a little understanding at what is being perpetrated on the citizens of this amazing country, we call THE U.S.A., read “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg, please, as you read, look up the notes at the back of the book, there is a plethora of information, sources, and good ideas for further research. God Bless those who CHOOSE to BECOME INFORMED.

e.poet,

Thank you for the great post. You are right on !

E.poet.: PLEASE READ MY POST.I insinuated NOTHING of the sort. I never said Hilary was the answer to anything. She’s part of the problem. But I DID SAY: maybe even she gets it (a little). So your complete discourse about her is wasted on me. She’s pond scum, and that’s a compliment.

So, who got us into Iraq ans Afghanistan? Muslims, that’s who. Islam has been at war with the non-Islamic world for around 1,500 years. Read a little of the history.

I agree. The Muslim Extremist have been killing our people way back in the 70′s. Our emabassies have been bombed, our diplomats being killed, our 250 plus soldiers that was killed in the bombing in Lebanon several years ago by the extremist. Iraq was shooting at our military plane patrolling the skys over Irag and protecing the curds in the northern part of Iraq from being killed. The Muslim Extremist kept pushing us and pushing us. Had I been the president I would have nipped this in the bud earlier. Look at Iran holding our embassy staff hostage for almost a year. What did our Democrat President, Jimmy Carter do. He made a bungled attempt to free them and got 8 our our soldiers killed. Some of the folks on here are not only Democrats, they must be Muslim Democrats. Let’s take our country back in Nov. folks.

If you dare, and are WILLING to be daring, because this is SOOO scary,
find a bible. Start at the beginning. Dig the war? It started with Abraham. Then Esau and Jacob…now…flip to the BACK OF THE BOOK…
DOES ANY OF IT SOUND FAMILIAR? YEP, it’s the “current event”….is anyone brave enough to understand the meaning of RELIGIOUS WAR? That’s what this is…and they have been infiltrating other countries, to have strategic strongholds, and religious freedom so they can use it to
legally strangle us, and use our own laws and freedoms against us.

Let’s see Robert Smith, where to begin. I suppose by asking the question: Exactly who is lying to whom? You ask, “Just WHO is to blame for Afganistan and Iraq if it isn’t Bush?” How about the terrorists first, and then those who aid and support them. You know, like Saddam and the former Taliban rulers in Afghanistan. But, under lib speak it is ALWAYS best to “blame” America and forgive the guilty. This is why true patriots despise your attitude and are fed up with libs always taking the side of our would be oppressors and the enemies of freedom. You say that the “…weapons of mass distruction are false.” You lie. Did you forget about the tons of sarin gas, the biological agents and the Russian scientists allowed to exit Iraq before the invasion? How about the plethora of Iraqi scientists that fled to Syria? Or, maybe you didn’t hear about the 20,000 lbs. of enriched uranium discovered in Iraq last year. In short, you lib pansy, go back to your America hating hole and use your crayons to make another I hate Bush sign. Meanwhile, the conservative/libertarian movement afoot in our great country will wrest back control from those who seek to steal our heritage, and put our nation back on a properous course towards freedom and liberty.

Right On!

…and you will take your crayons and make another hate Obama sign! It wasn’t evil Saddam that liberals loved or wanted to protect as you seem to assume,hardly. It’s the fact that George Bush went after the wrong country and for extremly weak reasons. That is why he is blamed for the debacle in the Middle East. So in that sense you have stolen our heritage of being a honest decent nation. That hardly makes you respectable or a patriot.

Jeep my man! BEA-UTI-MUS!

I’m with ya on that.

T Eddie47d…typical liberal mindset. You aren’t even smart enough to understand you must first have a PLACE to fight the enemy unless you want to fight them here on your street corner or between two rocks in the Afghan mountains.

The enemy WAS in IRAQ, did have a presence there then, and still does now, was connected to SH and SH had weapons of mass destruction with the will and the intent to use them against us. I think his murderous record of killing innocent people by the millions should speak for itself, don’t you? Have you ever stopped to THINK, that just maybe IRAQ was used to lure the enemy into a defined target area so we could kill them and SH? Or maybe a better or more liberal military strategy would be to fight the war against terrorism on the ENEMY’S terms between two rocks in the Afghan Mtns? That being the case, I bet we could have depended on you to do the hand to hand combat with the enemy? Russia has already tried this strategy and got their BUTTS kicked.

Maybe you should go back in time and see why the American people, as well as the CONGRESS, overwhelmingly supported the war in Iraq.

How soon we forget.

Right On Jeep. Time for these commie libs to go live with their buddies in the third world, and let the rest of us get America back on track without carrying their (dead) weight for them.

Lubo The American people did not overwhelmingly support the war in Iraq,not even close. They did support the troops and that is a big difference.

Lubo, you are so eloquent with fast eddie. He’s so hooked on Obama like a drug addict is hooked on heroin.

Keep up the good fight fellow patriot!

Jeep, keep fighting the good fight fellow patriot.

April 2004, the Jordanian
authorities captured an al-Qaeda terrorist cell
that worked out of Jordan. The terrorists had about 20
tons of chemicals, including poison gas! That’s right,
20 tons of chemicals—or weapons of mass destruction.
The al-Qaeda leader in Jordan has confessed that they
planned to kill 80,000 Jordanians with those chemicals.
King Abdullah ii of Jordan told the
San Francisco Chronicle that “It was
a major, major operation. … It would
have decapitated the government”.
Where did these terrorists get the
poison gas? The Jordanians know it
came from Syria—which in itself is a
dangerous act of war by that terrorist-
sponsoring nation. Terrorism expert John Loftus: There’s a lot of reason to think [the source
of the chemicals] might be Iraq. We captured Iraqi members
of al-Qaeda, who’ve been trained in Iraq. Syria does have the ability to produce certain
kinds of nerve gasses, but in small quantities. The large
stockpiles were known to be in Iraq. The best U.S. and allied
intelligence say that in the 10 weeks before the Iraq war,
Saddam’s Russian adviser told him to get rid of all the nerve
gas. … So they shipped it across the border
to Syria and Lebanon and buried it. …
there’s no doubt these guys confessed
on Jordanian television that they received
the training for this mission in Iraq. …
And from the description it appears
this is the form of nerve gas known as
vx that Saddam Hussein used to kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Kurds.

Jeep,

You are so right ! Besides it was a liberal congress that put Bush in Iraq ! That and the fact that the United Nations was having a lot of trouble getting him to comply with inspections !

I mean that the UN had trouble getting Hussein to comply with the inspections.

Thanks JeffH, I can always count on you to provide top cover with reality and fact. Now if we can just get the libs to take off the hate blinders…hmmm

What was the lie about Afganistan. Bush said if you do not give Bin Lardin up we will come in and get him. Even Obama agrees with that war. Do you think Obama is lying also? If you think both Bush and Obama is lying about Afganistan then what would you have done. If someone killed your wife would you be a liar to try and bring that man brought to justice.

Both sides agreed that Afghanistan had to be dealt with. At least the al Qaida that were based there. The left also didn’t like the cozy relationship we had with Saudi Arabia and we all know how they were involved with 9/11.

Obama’s ideologies does not fit into the main stream of this country. This country was founded on Christian Principles, not on Muslim principles. Obama wants Communism, Socialism, or what ever you want to call it. This is not what made this country great. I personally don’t want to have to work to keep some doper in his addiction. You know, like Obama said, we must share the wealth. The hell with that. We all need to take responsibility for our actions which Obama is not doing. You Obama lovers need to change your glasses and get some new hearing aids since it is evident you can’t see, or hear, what is going on with Obama.

I think we are wasting our energy and time on debating some of the folks on this forum. It is good to debate when you are debating intelligent people, but I think we are debating people who either don’t want to change, or they are unable to comprehend. Obama is trying to change our way of life. This is our country not his, let him go back to Kenya, and change them, oops, I forgot he is one of them.

Wayne, poor poor wayne, You couldn’t see or hear what was going on with the George Bush team. So why would anyone debate or waste their time with your intelligence.

edduhh47duhhs!
McVey blew up the federal bldg in Oklahoma city. Now just because he is American, does that make you a homegrown terrorist?? I’m not saying that Saudi wasn’t in on the towers, but just because the majority of the terrorists were Saudi doesn’t mean the whole country was in on it! I have heard some Saudis talk against the terrorists, more than I’ve heard from the muslims. Quit standing around with the progressives and saying DUHH!!!

Joe; You didn’t make much sense as usual and made yourself downright unintelligent. The Saudis ARE Muslims so you really blew that one. Are you saying that someone like Ahmadinejad is extreme so that makes all Iranians extreme? Many on this site have said we should turn Iran into a sea of glass. We know which side you were on in that conversation. Many have said we should kill all Muslims.You seem to be in alot of agreement with your boys.

edduhh47DUHS!
You know I was talking of saudis compared to Iraqis, or ARE you that DUMB???? I know DUHHHHHHHHH!

Robert, did you miss the chapter or just choose to ignore, when Hillary in the senate said Iraq had WMD’s and needed to be stopped. Di you miss the vote where congress voted to invade Iraq? Just curious, Bush didn’t take his “personal Military Force” and invade Iraq. After you quote yeas and nays we’ll look at your rants.

you are correct. And Ollie North knew who Osam Bin Laden was in the 80′s. But the fact remains, folks. Obama and his “share the wealth” mantra are convincing the weak minded, “the government owes me” people, that “the rich” should “share the wealth” that’s communist drivel if ever I heard it.

Just remember the Communist mantra
“From each according to his abilities. To each according to his need.”

Humans have a VERY overblown sense of “need”. Look around at the poorest of the poor. They live. Their actual need is met.

That is what Communism offers. Of course the surplus has to be stored and controlled by someone. That someone would be the government elite. THEY are the ones who have all the excess beyond what the “people need”

All about communism is a lie to control the very people whom the communist leaders claim to be freeing.

I offer as proof EVERY communist country in the WORLD. Past and present.

WAYNE YOU ARE RIGHT ON.. I THINK SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE THAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DEBATE WITH THEM THEY CAN NOT UNDERSTAND..OBAMMY COULD STAND RIGHT IN FRONT OF THERE FACE AND MAN UP TO HIS DISTRUCTION AND THE TAKE OVER OF AMERICA WITH FACTS AND PROOF IN HAND AND THEY WILL STILL NOT GET IT. SO I THINK THEY ARE ACORN PLANTS,OBAMMY HIMSELF OR JUST PLAN RETATDED.

Robert doesn’t seem to remember that Sadam used Nerve Gas on his own people. Nerve Gas is classified as a weapon of mass destruction. He was seeking the tools to deliver that weapon further away. Sadam’s past history, invading his neighbor to the south, indicate he was not going to stop on his own. He wouldn’t let international observers keep looking for the hideout for this stuff. So 1 + 1 = 2.

Your old buddy Bill Clinton, among other things, made it illegal for the US to use ‘bad people’ as spies. He single handedly wiped out our ability to see into the bad lands and gain any good intell. So if we had bad intell it was Clinton’s fault.

All your Democratic buddies voted for the War too, based on the bad intell. You can call it lies if you want, Obama is the master at that, but thats another story in itself.

Most importantly, Rule No 1 in War, when someone invades your home, i.e. 9-11, do whatever it takes to move the battle back to their home and away from your home. So with the War in Iraq the enemy now has to fight soldiers with guns and not us in our homes. Notice there hasn’t been a new 9-11 since Iraq!!!

Mark, it is impossible to try to explain this to some of the the folks on this forum. They either have forgot, or they are just like Obama. I agree with you, but, I am of sane mind and I see what is happening.

so it was ok for sadam to murder hundreds of thousands of his own people then invade kuwait and set their oil wells on fire in your way of thinking that was ok so bush done it

I heard one of Saddams own generals, who had fled Iraq, said he personally witnessed Sadam’s hinchmens take a person, I don’t remember what they said he did, and dump him in a vat of acid. When the took him out there was only bones left. Good job, Robert, for defending a person who could do that to any human being, regardless of what they did. This is what most Americans are against, why aren’t you and your liberal Democrats against this. This is why we need good decent people in our government that deplores things like this. I have never had any regret that this ruthless dictator,Sadam was toppled from power. We need to do the same thing to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the president of Iran in case you do not watch the news.

Just to clear up some misstatements here, the War we are engaged in started in 1979 when radical islamists took over the American embassy in Iran, it has not stopped since then. If you take the time to read osama bin ladin’s book and check your history you will find that osama failed in his attacks on the “Near Enemy” so he shifted gears and went after the “Far Enemy” us. Does anyone remember the attacks on Americans in Europe, Lebanon,and on the military bases in the middle east, the oil embargoes, Somalia,the U.S.S. Cole,the attacks on the U.S. Embassies in Africa and the middle east, the TWO terrorist training camps found in Iraq with commercial aircraft set up to train on, the assassination attempt on Bush Sr., the mobile chemical labs unearthed in Iraq, the 250 metric TONS of enriched Uranium found in Iraq that was sold to the Canadian’s power authority by the New Iraqi government, the terrorists killed in Peru with several pounds of enriched Uranium, the attacks on 9/11/01 and since? This War has been going on for a long time now, It is just getting closer to home now as the Enemy gets better training more financing and more sophistication. We did not start this, no matter what the blame the U.S. crowd says, this is just another crew looking for world domination just like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and every other megalomaniac despot in history. G.W.Bush put troops on the ground to take the War back to the Enemy. Better to fight on your enemy’s homelands than your own. I was one of those troops, we did what we could with what we had. Now we need to continue to go after our Enemy who looks to destroy and enslave. Read what the Enemy has written for distribution to their own people, their “manifestos” and books and propaganda, Just know it for what it is before you read it and know your history so you are not confused by the way they twist it. The U.S. is facing some hard times due to the greed and power lust of a comparative few. Everything can be traced back to the root causes and persons responsible, Just don’t believe them when they lie and blame someone else.

ROBERT SMITH,Bush was given info from our intelligence that said there was wmd’s.bush presented the same info to the congressional committee who voted unanimously to present it to congress who also voted unanimously to go to iraq.the british intell presented the same info to tony blair.after defeating iraq, most of iraq’s top men captured also thought sadaam had wmd’s.

Let me ask you this, bobby baby. Yes, they did find Al Quaeda training centers in Iraq, and did trace money and training to them. And yes, they had 30 pages of inventoried weapons of mass destruction, that was done during the Clinton administration, by the United Nations inspectors. Remember those? Oh, you forgot. How silly of you. And also, remember how before Bush was even a candidate to run for president, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Howard Dean, Tom Dashele, Ted Kennedy, and many more of your left wing heroe’s, appeared on TV, live TV, as I watched it myself, all declaring that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction and had to be stopped. Remember that bobby boy? I do, because I watched them say it on TV, and I heard them all crying it out from the mountain tops on the radio. And this was before Bush was even a candidate for the presidency for his first term. So get out of here with your stinking left wing liberal pacifist appeasing lies, blaming Bush, when all your left wing heroes cried about it first, then they all voted to go to war. So Bush’s illegal war? You better think again. This thing has democrats written all over it. And I agreed with it, until the dems took over and decided to cut and run, and then decided to not talk to the general running the war but once every six weeks, then fired him for telling the truth about Obama not having talked to him for 6 weeks. Thats the part that should be illegal pal. But you want to point fingers, you better come with more than your pathetic left wing liberal lies, because you see, some of us are actually educated enough to know when you lefties are lying, which is usually when we see your lips move. Im just saying………….

FreedomFighter, we, the decent hard working American that still believe in freedom and liberty out number the Muslim Communist we currently have in our government. I do believe we will prevail. We are going to have to be vigilent and throw the bums out until they get the message that we are not going to put up with their BS. Let’s start that this year. I have faith we can do it.

The government took my gun and bullets away already. Will a chain-saw help?

Lewis Munn,
What was the reason given for taking them?

Wow!!! Well said!!!

The right has never made such a power grab at our freedom and liberty stop using liberal media sound bites and do your own research.

From anna: >>>The right has never made such a power grab at our freedom and liberty<<<

Really… Partiot Act, No child left behind…

Rob

Rob, well said. But go a step further and compare the Patriot Act with the ‘Ermächtigungs-Gesetz’ (Empowering Act)in Germany from 1933;
SCARY !!!

Rob, really, you can compare defending our country to the taking over of your health care decisions (eventually), from a leader who has apointed czars that do not have to be approved by congress, right out of the communist guide book. Then, of course attack any opposition with the same old liberal arguments, and that is what you do, argue a point by bringing up a totally different subject from a different time. SO LIBERAL

So Far The Hope and Change President
Speaks at a Religious School with all the religious statues covered up
Apoints CZARS that are all extreme leftists.
Ignores the constitution and takes over banks and auto Companys, orders the shut downs of numerous dealerships, only to have “supporters” able to reopen them.
Uses a law for which is was not intended, to ram through a bill that the American people do not want.
Is blaming his predessesor like a child would for whatever is wrong
Blamed the police officer as acting stupidly..for doing his job
Spending us into ruin,..or maybe this is the plan to cause a crisis
I could go on all day…I hope we can undo the damage he has done to our country.

No Child Left Behind was meant to give incentives for the education of children. The problem with the left is that they feel by removing incentives they are helping and that just isn’t true. Never has been and never will be.

Robert,

The worst possible logic for doing bad things is to hide behind someone else’s failures that way.

You just compound the evil.

Obama does hide behind others, and so do you. You gotta be less of a human to hide behind someone else!

Someone else having made a mistake, if they did, does not justify you making it too. Especially making it bigger!

You should learn and seek the right, honest, and fair all the time. Then you do not have to sneak around making recess appointments and having secret meetings with the in-group in the dark of the night, figuring out how to cheat your way in.

Or paying off Senators to vote for you, openly and brazenly often.

Our government was designed to be open and to contain honest men. And women. When that is lost, all is lost.

So many of our government people at all levels now copy our leaders, going for personal power and money, accepting some bribes openly and some in secret. And the last thing they think of is the good of anybody but themselves, and maybe their co-conspirators.

I know only 1/3 of my congressmen are worth considering putting back in office. The rest are all blow, and work against the good of the common people, and for their own good. We need a quiet revolution!

Lewis,
Very well said. Nobama doesn’t even know what to do!!! So he is just throwing blame to make it look like he is doing SOMETHING!!! In reality, all he is doing is screwing up!!! Vote him out soonest!

you prove your own statement, about being blind. I guess Saddam and his kids were just another family trying to get by…..hahahaha what a joke.

The Democrats will not do a darn thing for the country unless they get credit for it. They yearn for the votes. At times, hard decisions has to be made, for the better of the country and this is where the Conservative Republicans come in. The government will have to cut back on their stupid spending so our kids and grandkids will have a better place to live. This administration is kicking them under the bus. Wake up, Independants and Conservatives. I won’t mention liberal Democrats as they are so fast asleep they will never wake up.

Peter,

For real? You really believe that there were no WMD. You obviously have a short or no memory. There were photo’s and video in the 90′s that showed Sadman Killing his own people and the weapons he had to do it. The US was the only major Country to take the stand to stop the insanity that the UN failed to get involved with. If it were not for the help we have given to almost all the world in aid and loans, we would have the monies to pay for all our programs. Our economic problems are truly due to program after program that are politically bargained for. Look back into the records, find out where the monies saved and monies dished out really came from. I think you will find that the TAX and SPEND people originated it! You know the same group that is trying to destroy Capitalism!

I saw one of those videos of men, woman, and children laying in the street dying of Mustard Gas. It is difficult to watch on video. I do not even want to imagine the brutality of dying like that. 100,000 people died by Mustard Gas. How many have to die before it starts to bother liberals?

I believe it was 8-10,000 Kurds who died from his gas attack and that is horrific. Remember when Nixon invaded Cambodia and stirred up the Nationalists (Kymer Rouge). That sent that country into a slippery slope. We backed a coup against Nordam Sihanouk who was a somewhat neutral leader. We then armed the Lon Nol regime who turned those weapons against the Kymer Rouge. The rest is history. Did Conservatives care at all about the nearly 2 million who were killed because of our poking our nose into another nations internal affairs? We set the stage for that horror to unfold. The Vietnamese went into Cambodia and stopped the carnage. Later in 1986 Hun Sen (Cambodia) requested negotiations so Pol Pot could go to trial. This was through international means. Ronald Reagan blocked this effort and Pol Pot didn’t go to trial until 1997.(the actual trial lasted longer). Sometimes Conservatives are only champions in their own minds. We could play this Liberal-Conservative blame game until the cows come home if that’s what you want.

Eddie I don’t believe anything you say and certainly not the part about Ronald Reagan. What is your source? Liberal blogs. The U.S. tried to do for Vietnam what they did for South Korea. One is a huge success story the other a terrible failure. The democrats got us into Vietnam. It was one thing to pull our boys out of harms way but to stop the funding to Vietnam by the democrats in 1975 lead to a huge slaughter of people. For that the dems have blood on their hands.

Here you go Eddie. You left out this part.
President Carter’s National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, has stated that in the spring of 1979: “I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot. I encouraged the Thai to help the [Khmer Rouge]. The question was how to help the Cambodian people.[sic] Pol Pot was an abomination. We could never support him. But China could.”

Here you go Eddie. Notice the 100,000 figure. Being a liberal you couldn’t tell the truth if you wanted to.
Kill tally: Approaching two million, including between 150,000 and 340,000 Iraqi and between 450,000 and 730,000 Iranian combatants killed during the Iran-Iraq War. An estimated 1,000 Kuwaiti nationals killed following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. No conclusive figures for the number of Iraqis killed during the Gulf War, with estimates varying from as few as 1,500 to as many as 200,000. Over 100,000 Kurds killed or “disappeared”. No reliable figures for the number of Iraqi dissidents and Shia Muslims killed during Saddam’s reign, though estimates put the figure between 60,000 and 150,000. (Mass graves discovered following the US occupation of Iraq in 2003 suggest that the total combined figure for Kurds, Shias and dissidents killed could be as high as 300,000). Approximately 500,000 Iraqi children dead because of international trade sanctions introduced following the Gulf War.

You know Eddie, Pol Pot was educated in Paris on the ideology of Communism. Pol Pot took it on himself to kill anyone in Cambodia with any education at all. He wanted docile minds. I am not a Nixon fan but it is a liberal and Hollywood stretch of the imagination to blame that all on him.

That mustard gas attack on the Kurds was in all the papers and many other news sources,8-10,000 killed.Not 100,000. You’re dragging dead bodies out of thin air or using the Iran-Iraq War to justify your count. We can all assume alot of things (about dead bodies) but beefing up figures to support one horror or another damages anyones credibility. Kind of like how many Russians died during WWII.Some say 30 million and some like to say 50 million. What a difference,so historical facts gets distorted and then nobody cares.

Eddie – just a quick look puts the numbers at a much higher rate than you suggest- http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2006/08/14/genocide-iraq-anfal-campaign-against-kurds and of course, this may be all inclusive – I still thought it was an awful lot of people in any case -

August 14, 2006
Related Materials Legacy Links:
Genocide in Iraq – The Anfal Campaign Against the Kurds
Give Iraq Justice, Not Vengeance

Human Rights Watch´s comprehensive report “Genocide in Iraq – The Anfal Campaign Against the Kurds,” originally published in July 1993, details the systematic and deliberate murder of at least 50,000 and possibly as many as 100,000 Kurds. The killings occurred between February and September 1988. “Genocide in Iraq” shows that the Kurdish victims were targeted on the basis of their ethnicity. This is a summary of the reports findings.
Legacy PDF:
Read the report

Well eduhhhhhh, what do you say now?? Guess your liberal, progressive, news reports let you down a gain!!!

Well, all, here is my opinion about the WMD’s. Remember you heard it from me.
Saddam had 6 months from the time he “threw out” the last UN (worthless) inspectors. Every time they got close, he threw them out. He had several years to move the ricin and other agents around.
On a cloudy day, we can not track movements on the ground. Do you not think Sadddam did not move them?

The WMD’s were moved on cloudy days into Syria, then out of Syria by boat into South America, They came up the line the same way as the tons of Cocaine comes up from South America.

Small quantities (which is all that is needed) has been smuggled into this country and is now here, waiting for the next attack. These have been smuggled by the terrorists that are coming through our wide open borders.

Prayer rugs have been found in the desert along the border.

We will see the WMD’s again.

Yeah, blame it all on Cheyney. The geographical evidence does not lie.
Iran wants nukes, and they’re gonna get em. Then all this bickering will have done what good? We need to get it that the Muslims DON’T LIKE US because they have a religious agenda that they hide under the guise of policy, and reaction to “foreign politics”, you need to understand (gulp) the Bible, folks. It’s a religious war, and a base hatred. THEY CAN’T LIKE US AND BE TRUE TO THEIR POLITICAL/RELIGIOUS doctrines…All we can do is BE THERE. Be there on the borders, back up Isreal, Because at least IF WE ARE THERE, which we should have been years ago, and not just letting the mid east police the mid east, then maybe we’d be better off now.

spike; Letting the Middle East take cae of it’s self is like letting American corporations take care of themselves. Not likely to happen.

Dude, you’re right, I get that. I think if Regan hadn’t had to be so concerned about Russia, and star wars and all that, which he did, and he succeeded at, he’d have spent more time on the mid east. The first Bush, instead of caving in, should have finished the job, and he didn’t.

The Middle East and American Corporation’s will take care of themselves just fine if the US Government gets its nose out of their asses. Don’t forget it was US Foreign policy that created this Arab mess in the first place (with the help of the British of course) and US Government that created our fascist economic system (with the help of their corporate buddies) What’s the common denominator?

Whether or not you believe this, Hussain did have weapons of mass destruction and had been using them on his own people. He was also a lament for the terrorists, like sanctuary cities. My husband retired Air Force and we know soldiers over there…they dug up a Russian mig that Hussain had buried in the desert…they pulled his ass out of a hole in the desert…the weapons of mass destruction are there…they are buried in the sands of the desert. Someday, they will be found and you will realize that Bush was right. The problem I have is that we should have handed Hussain over to the new government, said this is yours, mission accomplished in Iraq and left. We have overstayed in this country. Afghanistan will never be won. These people have been killing each other for centuries, they live in a culture (Muslim) that is dated back to the 14th century and basically most have not changed. You cannot fix stupid, so get the hell out and leave them to their backward ways and religion and if we leave them alone long enough, they’ll kill each other off without any of our help.

Amen, baby, just because we didn’t find em didn’t mean they weren’t smart enough to get rid of em somehow. Clean out 747′s and ship em to Syria, bury em, whatever. This wasn’t just some fable that got made up.

YOU ARE SO RIGHT. THERE WERE WMD’S AND THEY HAS PLENTY OF TIME TO GET RID OF THEM BEFORE THE USA ATTACKED. THEY WERE GIVEN APPROX 8 MONTHS WARNING. THEY COULD HAVE MOVED THEM ANYWHERE IN THAT LENGTH OF TIME. OF WE KNEW ALL THAT THE GOVERNMENT DID WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE, WE WOULD PROBABLY BE REALLY SCARED.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!

spike; Everything in life is a fable unless it can be proven. No war is worth the loss of so much life just because someone has a hunch!

Spike, I think you are right. They had plenty of time to clean the WMD out before we even got there. Why don’t some of these Obama people who don’t like our Conservative Coutry just leave for Kenya and take their Idol (Obama) with them? Since this country was founded on conservatives principle, under God, by our founding fathers, I believe we are the chosen ones, by the men who wrote the Constitution, would want to stay here and preserve this country.

T eddie47d…… Eddie said ” Everything in life is a fable unless it can be proven. No war is worth the loss of so much life just because someone has a hunch!”

Kinda like your Al Gore “Global Warming” scheme?

Another misconception about WMD’s is that people think of them as these HUGE, cumbersome things. SO WRONG! A WMD could be the size of a domino. People fail to realize that MASS doesn’t mean size, it means the large scale of deaths because of them. Imagine all the really nasty diseases that are frozen in little test tubes at the CDC. One breaks, you’ve got a MAJOR problem! Also, I remember watching satellite footage of truck convoys leaving Iraq and going into Syria BEFORE the war started. Hmmm. Wonder what could have been in those trucks? WMD’s?

Laura says:
“I remember watching satellite footage of truck convoys leaving Iraq and going into Syria BEFORE the war started. Hmmm. Wonder what could have been in those trucks? WMD’s?”

I remember that too. I had the same thought so was not at all surprised that not much was found in iraq. Some weapons were found. Thus eddies fable becomes just another inconvenient truth he would rather you forget.

http://live.rightpundits.com/?p=2921

Facts are such tenacious things.

Lubo; At least Al Gore has more credibility than you and if you say he stinks then you are in a really bad way.

eduuhhhh,
Well how do i term this so as not to offend? I’ll just say gore is a stinkin, lyin, profiteer azzhole politician. did that offend you? Gee, TOO BAD!!!!!!!!!

eddie47d….Al Gore is an self-proclaimed idiot. He makes things up as he goes. Did yo know that just below the surface of the earth that is it MILLIONS of degrees???? WOW! I wonder why our feet don’t catch fire? Did you know that the poor ole Polar bear has lost so much of it’s territoty that it has actually increased it’s population over the past 2-3 decades? SHAZAAM!!!! How did that happen? Did you know that the earth is 4,500,000,000 years aged and we have been collecting weather pattern data for less than a century but ole god Gore, the ruler of the world, has concluded that we have GLOBAL WARMING!

I’ve got some swamp land for sale eddie….you wanna buy it?

Wanda, your are absolutely right!!___Bush gavem’ too much time to move the WMD’s, before the United States went in to find them.

I don’t think all that televised garbage of inspectors going to Iraq and baby formula factories and all that is a “hunch,” dude. Iraq had them, they probably still do have some, and they hid the rest. The clinton administration had reason to believe they were there. Hussien was a loose cannon. Iran is a loose cannon. So is North Korea, and North Vietnam.

Go to NewsMax and read Ronal Kesslers colum on this subject, it may enlighten you as to the danger that Saddam posed then.

Iraq was a costly war for the U.S. and we would of been better off to stay out of it. That being said I am glad Saddam and his two sons are dead. The world is better off because of it. The Iraqies hung Saddam for crimes against his own people.

It would have never of happened if it hadn’t been for the United States.

Peter…what were all those big containers that appeared in surplus and junk markets in other close-by countries? Were they all surplus tractor parts?

PETER,next time before you go popping off get your facts straight!FACT:Bush jr.had absolutely no stock or interest in the oil industry,and as far as Chaney goes,as vice p.,he’s more of a figurehead which carries very little power or authority,very little influence.during Bush’s term,several studies was done and the two senators in congress with the most to gain or lose in the oil industry was ted kennedy and john kerry!

Uh, Halliburton doesnt own Iraqi oil, and never did. They happen to be the best in the world at putting out oil well fires, and they did just that. I mean, if you want to go Bass fishing, who you gonna call, Bill Dance, or Bill Gates. You call in the best for the job, and that is what Halliburton is at putting out the well fires that they put out. So shove this war for oil up your hiney pal. If this was true, where is the stinking oil? I supposed Bush, Cheney and Halliburton dug a secret pipeline from Iraq to their private holding tanks in Texas that no one knows about. Your a pathetic liar, and your busted for this lie. And all the democrats voted to go to war, so dont forget that. They vote no, we dont go. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. I hate liars.

Wrong Bob! It was Harry Truman. In 1950, the US sent 15 million dollars in military aid to the French. It was to help fight the Vietnamh or Communists when it was still known as Indochina. Also, included in the package were the first military advisors & the establishment of a military mission. France was still recovering from the effects of WW2 & needed to the aid to retain control of that colony.

Good one Grey W.

You are both wrong. It was George Washington!

King George did it. If he had not pissed off the colonists they would not have revolted and the USA would not exist.

Robert Smith,
I’ll bet your real name is Bill Ayers.

Jana___”BOOM”!!!!

Dang,Jana a little historical truth really gets your goat.Must be that Republican propaganda that stirs your emotions.

Yes, Jana, as Eddie says, hang on to your goat.

You will need it for food and milk to drink when all our farms are turned over to the illegals to grows pot as a cash crop!

Actually, there are some historians who say that Kennedy was going to withdraw from Viet Nam and that is one of the reason he was assignated. Make no mistake, it was not one man who killed Kennedy. Then Johnson took over, and decided that we no longer needed to bomb North Vietnam. Once we stopped the bombing of the north, the war went into a downward spiral, and we wasted thousands of lives for nothing more than the pockets of the elists bankers and government entities. Make no mistake about this, my husband was in Viet Nam…I know the history because I was lived through it…the text books you are reading don’t tell you the entire truth.

Kennedy may have been murdered because he was going to destroy the FED and we would have control over our money.

I know you can’t get all the facts, but one major Lady Bird owned all assets used in VietNam Air America, helicopter manufacturing, we knew what we were fighting for DEMOCRATIC JOHNSON and Friends bank accounts. Yes it’s not difficult to put together Johnson and friends assassination of Kennedy, only the blind can’t see.

Hell, folks! By todays standards, JFK would be considered a moderate conservative! He cut taxes! He realized the importance of hard work to achieve your dreams. He understood PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! Most of his “liberal” actions were civil rights issues that absolutely needed to be addressed. My point is this, the democratic party has been transformed by the minority far left. It no longer represents the majority of Dems. Statistically, 80-85% of ALL Americans agree on major issues like, making English our official language, that the Soc. Security system is broken and needs to be SERIOUSLY addressed, that we support drilling for oil off American coasts to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, a FLAT income tax rate of 17%, building more nuclear power plants to reduce carbon emissions, that it is not possible to negotiate with terrorist organizations, that our children should be allowed to take a moment of silence in school. If we agree on so much, why don’t our politicians DO something about it? They don’t listen. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are a perfect example of this. They are part of the uber liberal left. But, we voters are to blame, too. We have continued to vote these idiots back into office time and time again. This November, take time to really understand the who/what/why of the candidates and make an informed decisions. Too many voters go to the polls after only listening to the mud slinging ads on TV, (left and right are both guilty of it) and don’t really know the men and women who are running. We HAVE to get the far left out of office for the whole country’s sake. Ok, I’ll get off my soap box now!

No, no, and no, Incorrect. I heard a gentlemen on TV one time say that all the wars we have had, has been started under a Democratic President. I have not checked this out thoughly, but the wars I do remember was started under the Democrats. This is a few I found which started under the Democrats:

Why are most wars started by Democrats? Are they always war mongers? World War One (The War to End all Wars) – Started by a Liberal Democrat (Woodrow Wilson)
More than 11 Million Dead and Millions .

World War Two – Started by a Liberal Democrat (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
62 Million Dead, Many more Millions Mamed and wounded

Korean War( The Forgotten War) – Started by a Left Wing Liberal Democrat ( Harry S. Truman)
8 Million Plus Dead Millions mamed and wounded.

New-Q-Ler (Atomic)Bombs Dropped on Japan – By a Left Wing Liberal Democrat ( Harry S. Truman)
250 Thousand Dead

Bay of Pigs War/Invasion – Started by a Left Wing Liberal Democrat ( John F. Kennedy)
Lots and Lots Dead and wounded
Building of the Berlin Wall – Allowed to occur by a Left Wing Liberal Democrat ( John F. Kennedy)
Enough Dead

Vietnam War (The Spit on American Soldiers War) – Started by a Left Wing Liberal Democrat (John F. Kennedy)
Millions and Millions Dead and Millions Mamed & wounded.

People also tend to forget that, what Al-Quada and terrorism is for us today, Vietnam and communism, were for that generation. People were terrified of nuclear war, and didn’t want Russia and communism sweeping over the world. It’s so easy to judge our leaders from the past while wearing our 20/20 hindsight glasses.

ROB,the dem have been in charge of the house 53 out of the last 63 yrs and the sen 56 out of the last 63 yrs so lets put the blame where it belongs!

It was a democrate, escalated by a democrat (Lyndon Johnson), and it took a Republican (Nixon), to get us out. Iraq is no Vietnam, so dont even go there. And the democrats voted for this war, so please consider that before you start ill advised finger pointing.

Amen, baby. I struggled long and hard before I VOTED VERY HARD AGAINST BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. I wasn’t the biggest McCain fan, but I knew one thing: he had the mental toughness to deal with the foreign climate we find ourselves in. Someone who would stand for his country long and hard, because he already did it. These men campaigned hard for the opportunity to inherit this financial mess. They don’t deserve pity. I can tell you this: I’m NOT paying the bill for this unmanageable healthcare bill, and I’m NOT PAYING A FINE FOR NOT BUYING IT.

……me either.

Im a working man with health insurance, and though Im not subject to a fine as I carry health insurance, Im soon going to be forced to pay higher premiums and get less coverage because of what these jerks have done. No one working will benefit. Only the lazy who refuse to work, will get rewarded for their bad behavior. Kind of like GM and Chrysler. Lets reward failure, and punish the successful by taxing them more and making the working people all pay more. Where the hell did we take a turn down this road? Its unbelievable. Punish success, and reward failure. How did we get to this? Only answer I have, is that we let lawyers control things. There you go.

This perpetual campaigner is nothing but a fraud. Send as many of these socialist packing NOV 2nd as you possibly can.

less see obamas mom was a white hoe his dad who ever he was she sleap around ,she had no money his dad had no money spent his entire life on the public dole from birth to collage all paid by tax payers never had a job never worked for a living was a acorn comunity organizer a lawyer never ran a bussiness went to one of most liberal collage,same church for 20 years same preacher married a woman that has never been proud of this country,took a vacation in spain paid mostly by tax payer,obama holds town hall meeting with the unions, put lawyers for the union over the labor board i know i left out somethings but how did any one in there right mind vote for this person,oh what that you say liberalism is a brain disorder they were not thinking hope and change and boy are we getting it vote in nov 2010

Warrior,
I just did!! Thanks!

Russ G,
He wants us to end up like France! Have you seen the news reels of things there lately? Nationwide strikes at raising the retirement age and they’re still at a lower age than us!

Thats just because he is a democrat. And the democrats are just like the French, pacifist appeasers. And they are the first to cry “Help me American” when they are getting slapped around, just like all the democrat voters who dont work and live on government handouts cry “help me Obama”. Just plain sick.

BOE,
Quit making this crude. I know quite a few good Blacks that I have never heard say that it was anybodies fault for where they were in life. This was because they had a very good work ethic and and knew they were the master of their own destiny. One lady is a very good friend of my wifes at work. She has worked through hardships and setbacks and has succeded in spite of them!! She, like all the others I speak of are good conservatives and would not think of voting for Nobummer!! I would rather be around ANY of these people than half the white people I am aquanted with! and I enjoy their company as much as ANY people I know!

I agree with you to a point, other than that most of the successful black men I grew up playing sports with, and still associate with today, if you heard them speak or read statements they write down, you would think they were racists towards blacks, when they are black themselves. You see, they tell me how it is so hard for them, because so many blacks, young blacks, are in prison, have many children with many women out of wedlock and are absent parents, and the crime rates are so high in all your predominate black cities, like Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, New York City, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Cleveland and others, it is not because of white guys. And it makes life hard on them, because of what their own race is doing. And it does keep them getting looked at in a lesser light than they deserve, because of what their own race is doing. And Im not a racist either, and I have to agree with them. And its a shame. But not racist.

Correction Long Legged Mac Daddy.