Karolyn, I do not believe God wants anyone in hell.

“The wages of sin is death”. This means that everytime we defy God’s laws (think wrong thoughts, do or say harmful things, put harmful things in our bodies, etc) we create energy blockages in our systems, and we suffer. The more contrary to God’s laws we are, the more we suffer.

We experience hell as a consequence of our own defiance. We have the choice to turn from evil at any point in our lives. It is the law of Kharma, no matter what you call it, and no one escapes it.

Thanks for that Kate. I agree. However, there are those who do not, more’s the pity.

From Karolyn >>>I just cannot wrap my head around a God that would send everyone who doesn’t believe in the Bible to “hell.” <<<

But he loves them all… (George Carlen)

Rob

Robert Smith,

The mistake you are making is that you think God sent them to hell. He did not, they sent themselves. They had free choice just as we do and they chose to do wrong even though they knew the price they would have to pay ! We also know the price we will have to pay if we choose to take the wrong path ! However all those that lived before the birth of Christ were offered salvation too when Christ was crusified and died. Jesus went into the gates of hell and they did not prevail against him. He went there to set the captives free if they wanted to be free ! What do you think their choice was? I think they jumped at the chance ! God loved us all and provided for us all but there is a cost to everything. Our cost is that we believe and accept Jesus as our savior sent by God the father.

From Granny Mae: >>> Our cost is that we believe and accept Jesus as our savior sent by God the father.<<<

I don't deal in that coinage. In fact much of the world doesn't.

Rob

Robert,
That is your right not to ‘deal in that coinage’. But God does.

Robert,

Your loss.

Angel Wannabe

It was Abramham who was about to sacrifice his son on the alter not Job.

hundabuxt, You are correct, thanx!

We are ALL the Chosen!

Yes Karolyn,
We are all chosen, but some won’t respond, and that is not God’s fault, it is our own fault becasue we refuse to believe the Truth.

Jana,
that is what I was trying to get through to robert. The failings of Man have nothing to do with the will of God!!!

I agree again, Kate!

Kate8,
I very much agree with that.

Very good Kate. What you have said sounds much like the Deist approach of Jefferson and others. Not all will accept that there is a God, but if those that will can agree that one church’s God is not better than another, that God is God, with or without dogma, then we will all do well together.

kate8….Once again you exude wisdom beyond most who comment on this blog. The “Church” is the “Bride of Christ” and it is a condition of the heart(Spirit) that requires no buildings or bounderies to define.

The power of the HOLLY SPIRIT is manifest through those who are “Like Minded” with CRIST JESUS.

“When two or more gather in my name, I will walk in the mist of them.”

The WORD OF GOD is pure 100% spiritual and unless you WALK WITH GOD in the spirit, you cannot comprehend HIS message nor understand your individual purpose in life.

alpha-
That sounds about right.

Karolyn, we all do well to bear in mind that life is an unfolding process. There is always more to learn and understand.

Godspeed.

Thanks Kate. I needed that. I have a job interview tomorrow! First one in a long time.

Karolyn – Best of Luck to you tomorrow -

Karolyn,
even though you might not believe me, I’l say a little prayer for your success tomorrow!!! Libertytrain can tell you prayers do work!!

Thanks Joe. I do know prayer works!

Yes Joe, they do, she finally landed at Bragg about 6:44 am this morn.

libertytrain,
If I may be so forward, give her an extra hug from those of us here!!! Tell her Welcome Home!!!!

libertytrain—Give her lots of hugs! And don’t forget the “Happy Dance.” God bless you and your wonderful family. Enjoy!!

JoeH and Claire – while I did a happy polka when I knew the plane landed, I won’t get to see her myself for a while – perhaps in a few weeks or so but that’s all right these soldiers need time to resettle and savor their family time once again. When I do see her I will do that hug for you all and remind her again of your prayers.

Libertytrain,
A part of that hug comes from me too. Now she will have some healing to do also to get back to normal, but she will.

LT,

Sorry for the lateness of this post; I just read some of the prayer posts related to your daughter coming home and just want you to know…my prayers are also with your entire family! Your family is filled with patriots, and we are all better off for it. Thank you!

Thanks to all, I think she’ll be just fine now that she has her kids, husband, dogs and life to enjoy again. Thank you very much for all the well wishes.

Karolyn,
It’s becasue the Black Panthers threatened Beck and said they would meet him there. They did it in a threatening manner.

Good luck on that interview.

Thanks Jana!

Robert, multiple wives and concubines was the custom of the time.

Even Queen Esther had to share her King with many women.

Robert S.,
Yes he did that and also built Temples for them to worship their false gods, which became prominent in the land.
God in His Word has stated,” My name is Jealous”. He has also said “I am a jealous God”.

This idol worship lead to the downfall of the Israelite people at that time too, because they turned away from worshipping The One True God, and he lifted His hand from them. They even went into captivity. It sounds like what is going on with us today, that is why it is so important for us to stand and make a difference.

What a guy !!!!!

Angel,
I agree with you.

Kinetic1….hard to argue with your comments. Our founding document was based upon Judeo-Christian values. Anyone who would suggest otherwise would be either stupid or in basic denial. Our original laws in general reflect the 10 commandments, given to us by our creator.

Your point is, and that is the beauty of our founding, that our founders gave us a CHOICE, based on the principles of Christianity. In other words, GOD gave them a choice to believe and so did they give AMERICANS a choice of beliefs.

Anything else would be a HUMAN attempt to usurp the POWER OF OUR CREATOR. As if men can MANADATE a belief but GOD cannot.

Jana,
Beck told the gathering that if they attack you don’t fight back! Just join arms and peacefully resist. I don’t know if I could be strong enough to not return strike for strike!! I guess I’m not as much of a man as some!!! I would have to fight back!

Joe H.,
I know exactly what you mean. Someone hit my body? NO! I was thinking pepper spray, a stun gun, even wasp spray. I didn’t get to go anyway. Ok, I need to pray for myslef a little harder.

Angel,

You have hit the nail squarely on the head. Turning from God is the root of all our problems.

TOM, FOR ME,
HE’S THE ONE AND ONLY WAY!

Okay, everyone. This concerns everyone, our children, and especially all Christians.

It is vital that we see what’s going on in the underbellies of government, the CIA, FBI and NWO, and understand how they are manipulating facts, history, and using technologies to control our minds. It also tells how they are using things like Wiki- to change our perceptions, and how they are trying to wipe out all natural healing modalities, and how Big Pharma is involved in population reduction.

I got this link this morning and, even though I was aware of these things, I’m still reeling from the read.

http://www.fluscam.com/CIA_FBI_COINTELPRO.html

Knowledge is power. TPTB are working overtime to keep us confused and fearful. We must see through this, and stand with God.

Kate I tried your link but that reverse print is wicked on the eyes. Perhaps I’ll try again some other time.

kate8, I’ve printed it out just haven’t read it yet.

Christin, it’s given, if we want religion in our lives, and are tired of being persecuted because of it, we’ve got to stand up for it, just like Beck!

Why do so many of you insist that prayer must be TAUGHT in school? When prayer is lead by a teacher, all students, regardless of their faith will be required to pray as the teacher prays. But any child who learns their parent’s religion in their home and church brings their god with them wherever they go. Those children do not need a teacher to lead them in prayer because they have the strength to silently pray when they feel the need.

A reasonable question. I may be missing one or two, but “mano et mano” prayer (talking to God personally) can be put into five categories: 1) Please 2) Thank you 3) Why 4) Oops 5) Gimme. For the purposes of this reply, we’ll stipulate “public” prayer is relegated to the first two. If you can accept that God is synonymous with something that’s “bigger than us”, ANYTHING that can instill just a little humility and let these kids know they (contrary to their own feelings) are NOT the most important thing in the universe (actions/requirements for the greater societal good) has GOT to be a good thing.

If you can’t accept there’s something more important than “me”… that’s symptomatic of what’s wrong in the world (AND PLEASE don’t go off a tangent about “public welfare” which, more times than not, is enabling bad behavior vs. assistance to the TRUELY needy).

Robert, I’d like to see you make such a comment about an Imam.

They like children, too.

Hey kate8 check out: http://europenews.dk/en/node/29775

Sexual abuse widespread among Muslims

They ain’t any better than priests.

And that doesn’t make what the priests did right, or what the church did covering it up right.

Rob

The difference is that the Catholic priests who did this horrible abomination knew what they did was evil. They will pay a very high price when they meet their maker. In the Muslim world pedophilia and bestiality are common and socially acceptable. HUGE difference in concepts.

And gunner – as you know, a small percentage of pedophile priests exists, probably the same percentage of pedophiles that are hidden among boyscouts, teachers, and other professionals where children may be gathered and they can become easy prey. It’s not considered an acceptable practice in our society and is criminal, wherein the other society, it apparently is a given and a regular treat for the male. Lucky little Muslim boys and girls.

Robert,
I can only say one thing to you. YOU ARE SICK!!! If you connect what evil sick mindes do to God, YOU ARE SICK!!!

Joe H. says: >>> YOU ARE SICK!!!<<<

If pointing out the sins of Bush and the sins of the church is sick I'm very sick. I've been threatened by some who consider themselves christian so like in the case of some doctors I feel it might be considered a fatal sickness.

Please remember that I'm a strong supporter of pro-choice in firearms too. If you stay away from me and don't threaten me or my family in any way it's a bunch less paperwork. And if one of your christian crazies should get through I'll say "Hi" to Dr. Tiller for you.

Rob

robert,
I didn’t say pointing out mans failings was/is sick, I said connecting them or blaming them on God is sick! Make no mistake robert, threats do not scare me as I have been shot at more times than I care to point out and I am also VERY handy with a rifle and getting better with a 9MM as well!!!

Amen! Amen!

Lubo,
Isn’t it funny that Beck had three hundred thousand, plus in attendance, yet Sharpton had only about five hundred???

Eventually someone was going to bring this up, so it might as well be me. 3 to 4 hundred thousand is the number GB is throwing around, but what is it based on. The only effort at an actual count was done by CBS. Now I know many of you will claim that their count of 87 thousand is biased, but one of the men responsible for the math also made the aerial estimates for the Presidential Inauguration. The number for Obama’s gathering, by his estimate was lower than some had anticipated, but the right accepted it and taunted the left with it. Now the shoe is on the other foot and the right wants to claim the number is far short of reality. You can’t have it both ways.

So, was it 300,00 to 400,000 as Beck felt he saw from the ground, or 80,000 to 94,000 as seen from above? The only problem comes from expectations, other wise 87,000 could be considered a strong turnout.

Kinetic1…This is something that can be easily resolved. Not that I have the time but I have the tools to come up with an “Estimation”.

I have tools to measure the total acreage of the site where the rally was held. Once that has been established, population density is the only remaining factor to resolve. That would be based upon photos of the rally broken down in sections and then establishing a MEDIAN value.

In other words, there are 43,560 square feet in an acre of land. To keep this simple, let’s take one acre, packed with people. How many square feet does one HUMAN take up in a packed setting?

Well, my footprint will fit in one square foot of land, however, my sholders will not, so lets say approximately 3 sf.

x = 43,560 / 9.0 feet (3sf)
x = 4,840 people per acre of land mass

Using Beck’s estimations
x = 300,000 people / 4,840 people per acre
x = 61.98 acres of land mass required to hold the masses

Now, I think Beck said the crowd extended for .8 miles. A mile is 5,280 feet long.

A = 5,280feet X .80
A = 4,224 feet LONG This would represent the depth of the crowd

Not sure how wide but let’s assume about a 1/4 the length

B = 4,224 * 0.25
B = 1056 feet wide This would represent the width of the crowd

What is the total land mass?

x = (4224 * 1056)
x = 4,460,544 square feet of land mass filled at site

What is the total acreage?

Total acreage = 4,460,544 / 43,560 (Sf in an acre)

TA = 102.40 acres of land mass

Then what would be the estimated crowd count?

X = (102.4 acres * 4,840 people per acre)
total estimated people = 495,616

It appears Beck’s numbers may be a conservative estimate….about 1/2.

Sounds fair, but this is just the sort of formulation used by AirPhotosLive. CBS has provided the footage used to estimate the crowd and you can clearly see the area of the crowd as well the the varied density in different areas. Given that the density in some areas was very light compared to others, it would be very easy to over estimate using the land based formula.

In the end it makes little difference what number is right, but it is amusing to see one person quoting 200,000 to 300,000 or more and another 500,000 or more. Shoot, Michele Bachman was placing it at over a million! I guess you couldn’t see the forrest for the trees.

Kinetic1….Maybe, maybe not.

That is why I rely on MATH as the basis of my decision making, especially given the fact that the one’s who oppose Beck will be the low end of the range and the one’s that support Beck will be on the high end of the estimated range of values. I think Beck is honest and his estimations are not over stated, by any means of the imagination.

Based upon the limited data I have, I would still think that my estimation would be a more accurate reflection, as compared to, CBS.

You could put 87,000 people in the average college stadium. Doesn’t add up because one section of the rally would fill the average stadium.

Regardless of the fact, Beck has MILLIONS of people who agree with his ideas of just why this country is in the MESS, that it is currently in. Restoring HONOR will go a long way towards making all of us, a better peoples.

Christin,

Excellent point.

Christin, If this government is so adamant about the “separation of church and state”, then how do they justify endorsing “religious” leaders like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?

Why is no one pointing out this outrageous double-standard?

Wait. We are so used to double-standards on the left that we no longer notice them.

kate8, exactly! and how I love Nancy Pelosi, reinterating in a speech about “The Word”__She only worries about “The Word”_(Which I assume to Gods word) when it’s a convienient political tactic.

Angel, I actually wondered about that. When someone questioned her about something in “The Word”, she gave an evasive answer, that this was a topic to be discussed in church. Obviously, she had no clue what the “Word” says.

I’m wondering to what “word” she refers. Being that she pals around with worshippers of Lucifer, I think she may have been thinking of another “word”, knowing the crowd would be thinking Bible.

Pelosi speaks with forked tongue. The left only talks about the Bible when it serves them, and then they distort its meaning. When anyone on the right quotes the Bible, they scream “separation of church and state!”.

It’s all manipulation and deception. And they really believe that we are stupid.

Angel Wannabe and kate8,
Pelosi is a quite the hypocrite. She said her favorite word is “The Word” which is really two words and that was by design that she used that one. When another reporter questioned her on another day about the meaning of “The Word”, pelosi said, “we only do this with our heads bowed in church” which is a non-answer as she was trying to shut the journalist up, even though she first brought this up in public on TV in front of reporters.

Actually, I believe Glenn Beck addressed this one day on his show.

He said “Divine Providence” is walking humbly and praying to God and He is helping you along. But “Manifest Destiny” is saying: get out of my way, it is my way or the highway, because I’m on a mission from God. We’re doing it whether you like it or not. This is how they justify the horrible things they do… it is their mission from God.

The Declaration of Independence states:
“When a man tries to live in accordance with ‘Nature’s God and Nature’s Law’ and walks for the betterment of man, God helps. However, when man seeks power and riches by using ‘Nature’s God and Nature’s Law’ in conjuction with others seeking the same, God withdraws and Evil masquerades as good.”

So it seems that the whole gov is “using God” to maquerade as good (wolf in sheep’s clothing) as their justification to do these things to “we the people” they are suppost to represent. Just listen to them when they attach “religion” to their statements… it is Manifest Destiny to the whole group of people.

“Divine Providence” is about the individual and a Free you with God.
This is the right way to live, not “Manifest Destiny” forcing others to do horrible things…(his example was the expansion of the West and killing the Native-American Indians.)

And yes, kate8, I dislike the double-standard (it is really cheating by the left) nor do I like the discrimination of whites by blacks. (No one alive today had anything to do with indentured-servants or slaves of generations ago. Scars Glenn talked about that we must move passed.) Those men who have the title of Reverend are not Godly men and are discriminating against whites(holding grudges) to further an agenda. They have a “broken relationship” with whites and it is a sin.

There is only one God Dewayne.

There is only ONE TRUE LIVING God,
the rest are man-made gods.

One true living God?? Are you delusional? You and your kind crack me up. You live your whole life on a set of precepts that revolve around a mythological fabrication and you are ready to kill others who point that bit of reality out to you. Wake up!! Take a look at reality without your precious zombie. Life is really better with the blinders off.

And how do you actually know this?

Dewayne…
Do you have a point? Any person who is a Christian, (and many who aren’t) are well aware that God did not make us as robots, but gave us the ability to decide the course of our life and afterlife. I fail to understand your post…

Thanks, Robin. I believe as you do. God did create us as we are and does NOT condemn us for failing to live up to standards. why would he condemn us for being who he made us to be? He loves us as we are. Also, I believe that man has made God in his image rather than the opposite. God made us all spirits, as He himself is. And regarding the Bible, the Old Testament was translated from Hebrew to Greek and the New Testament from Hebrew to Greek to Latin. That is why there are so many fallacies in what people read and differences in translations.

Karolyn,
That is why a serious student of the Word studies from the Standard King James version as the New Testament has not been translated into Latin. Then we have our tools, which is the concordance that goes back to the Greek and Hebrew, and have also Bible Dictionaries. We do more than just read the Bible, we study the Bible. The oldest and best manuscripts actually contain the Massorah. The Massorah is called the Fence to the scriptures because it locks all words and letters in their places.(short version of the definition.
There may be errors when in the translation they transliterated instead of going for the meaning of the word. Many of the newer versions of the Bible are transliterated instead of being translated.
Actually Karolyn, the Bible does say that God said, “Let us make man in our image.” Genesis 1:26
You are right, He loves us like we are but, He did send His Son who gave His life for us on the Cross so we can have Salvation.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I believe the Bible and what it says. The more I study, the more I know how badly I need Jesus as my advocate to my Father as I am far from being and doing the good that I should, but I do keep trying and I do keep studying.

I am not telling you this to change your mind, I am just presenting truth to you.
Smiles

Jana,
My best friend in this world is an athiest. We have had many friendly talks between us. He knows he would never be able to shake my belief in God, but I have made him question his a couple of times. I think this is due mainly to the fact that no matter what he says My faith stays super strong.As my best friend, I hope one day I can bring him to believe again as he did when he was a child and save his soul so I can see him in the afterlife!!! That would be the greatest gift this life could give me. He is a good man and would give the shirt off his back to a complete stranger. It’s ironic, he was the first person I met when I moved here twenty years ago. God DOES work in strange ways!!!

JoeH,
You are so right. Karolyn is also right. There are many decent people out in this world that do not know the Lord. They may know somthing about Him, but they have no relationship with Him.
The sad thing is, there is a saying that the way to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Most of the people on this site that don’t know the Lord are nice people (garbage mouths are the exception) and they have the right to accept or reject the Lord, but we can still all get along with each other as we all breathe the same air.
The thing is when we know something that is so wonderful, we want to share it, but we have to remember they still have the right to not accept. I do hope your friend will see the light and you will be able to witness it.

Choice being the KEY WORD. That’s what makes GOD….GOD….he gives all of us ,as individuals, a choice, by FREE WILL. In contrast, evil men MANDATE our choices in life throuh oppressive legislation, all in the name of “Collective Salvation”. i.e; OBAMACARE

Amen…..

that same god of the bible put man and woman in a safe place with no worries told them all in the garden is for them, but the fruit from one tree ,and told them you partake of it,s fruit and you will die and suffer,not so much differance from are modern politics,we elect them we tell them ,they go ,they forget us,but like the gift god gave us of free will we can choose to kick them out like god did adam and eve,adam tryed to blame god for disobeying,god ask adam did you eat that fruit i said not to eat, then adam said that woman ”YOU” gave me done it she gave it to me it your fault

don,t this sound a lot like todays media and elected, bush done it it is not my fault

There is only ONE GOD!! The GOD of Abraham, Isacc, and Joseph!!!

Tunaman, That’s Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Of course, He is the God of Joseph, too, but we refer to the patriarch Abraham, his son Isaac, and Isaac’s son, Jacob.

I agree… and those numbers may be conservative. Somebody should organize an “E-Party” to facilitate those who are prevented from attending a DC-type gathering. The numbers would astonish (or “Scare the bat-snot out of”…. Beck 3:16) anyone paying attention, and once-&-for-all prove the backlash (Honor Rally, town halls, Tea Parties etc.) is NOT a small percentage, fringe movement that can be cow-towed into submission by the likes of MSDNC.

A good idea would be for Beck (or someone) to start a list for people who wanted to make it but couldn’t. I know my name would be on it. For health reasons, i won’t be going to any rallys, but I sure can vote!

DITTO..

Time,
welcome back, friend. Hope your trip was productive!

You are right; and you don’t even have to be “Christian.”

Walks all over the founder???? Please explain and give an example.

Kinectic1,
Then you haven’t listened to Beck, as he has said what ever your faith is, and he has stated Synagogue, Temple, Mosque Church etc.

Its funny how people’s own words reveal so much.

Please read down a few.

Kenatic1,
You said,”With David Barton at his side to explain how every one of our founding fathers was a solid Christian”. Actually Beck explains that the vast majority of the founders were Judeo / Christian.

And also, “Walks all over the founders”? You should listen to Beck yourself instead of parroting Matthews, Olbermann or Maddow.

1Corithians 1:25 For what seems to be God’s foolishness is wiser than human wisdom, and what seems to be God’s weakness is stronger than human strength. Good News Bible.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Proverbs 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. kjv.

This Country was founded on the principles of God. Weather one chooses to believe in Jesus Christ is a chose, but that does not change the fact that this government was very involved with Christianity. This Nation has tried to remove Jesus Christ and Christian values from everything and allowed anything and everything else to proceed at will. Man has tried to blame our problems on everything and everyone, but the fact is, we have turned our backs on the God that has blessed this country. Call me shallow or anything you prefer, but I will take the Word of Almighty God over anyone’s worldly knowledge or insight. I believe there is one God and only one God, and I also believe that Glenn Beck is speaking to the whole nation to the point that we do have that right to choose. God gives us that right. Until this nation turns back to God there will be no peace or prosperity.

Lynda B. so right. Thanks for the Bible verses especially loved Proverbs 29:2.

Proverbs 29: 2

“When the righteous are in authority,
the people rejoice;
but when the wicked rule,
the people groan.”

We are groaning folks and we are miserable… the wicked are ruling.

It is an ALL call back to our Judeo/Christian heritage to serve and worship our Almighty God and he will bless our faithfulness.

A-MEN Very well stated. I also beleave GOD is the only answer.

You go girl!!

Michael J.
I listen to beck often. In fact, I have three of his shows on my DVR right now. I often find myself learning a thing or two from Beck, only to find that he is leading to a conclusion that leaves me questioning when he switched trains.

As to my comments regarding Beck and Barton, as I have stated before, this idea that there is ample proof of, say Jefferson’s actual belief in Christianity is bunk. Barton holds up a document signed by Jefferson that reads “in the year of our lord, Jesus” and states that this and hundreds of others were written in his own hand. This “proof” is a shipping manifest, a pre printed fill in the blank form. The design of the forms was the same for decades and reflected the style of many countries. All Jefferson, or for that matter Washington, Madison and Adams did was to sign in the correct spot. His “hundreds of examples” reflects that fact that these were all the same form and prove nothing. On the other hand, Jefferson wrote time and again about his indifference for the church and his belief that the church should not be involved in our government. That they chose to ignore as secular propaganda.

So how do they walk on our founders and the Constitution? God was left out of the Constitution for a reason. Our founders agreed that the Federal Government should never adopt an official religion, and yet these two men, along with many other guests continue to proclaim that this is a Christian nation founded on the words of the Bible. They argue that our founders were speaking of Christian sects, not Christianity in general, ignoring our founders own words with regards to “Musselmen” and others. They ignore the words of documents like the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli which reads “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…” In their quest to bring us all into the fold, they threaten the very document they profess to defend.

Kinnetic,
how then, do you explain that Jefferson held services in the capitol building??? Many religeons most were CHRISTIAN!!!

Kinectic,
You asked me on another post what I knew about your faith. From this very post we all know quite a lot about what you believe. You are a great writer of many words.

Perhaps, Jana, but my religion has nothing to do with history. Whether I am Christian, Bahai or Deist I firmly believe, as did many of our founders that no one religion should be espoused by our government. There will always be moral issues that Americans disagree about, but the basic rules of life are universal. Neither my religion or yours is necessary to govern.

Kinetic1:
you’ve brought up a very good point; the Treaty of Tripoli.
The reason that treaty exisits is then as now Muslims were a bunch of blood thirsty cretins who got their ass handed to them by the United States Marine Cops; my alma mater.

It is very difficult for those immersed in indoctrination education to get to the truth via REAL historical data. Instead of reading and listening to the HISTORIANS who have spent their lives RESEARCHING REAL DOCUMENTS from LIBRARY OF CONGRESS ARCHIVES, they would rather take the word of some mainstream media joker, than to LEARN THE TRUTH.
Beck has had many guests on his show who know what they’re talking about regarding Founding Fathers, but isnt it so much easier to watch an HBO series on John Adams and NOT QUESTION how much was truth vs. fiction? Young Americans are so dumbed down in History it is pathetic, nor do they have a clue what The Constitution is or how important it ‘could be’ to them if ONLY they KNEW. NO WHERE IN THE CONSITUTION does it mention “separation of church and State”…
That was invented by atheists and/or agnostic Commie-type think, (and supported by commie-founders of ACLU) to dissolve religions and churches, which is also part of the Universities Indoctrination Agenda. RESEARCH for truth…it will set you free.

Excellent commentary!

the seperation of church and state was from a letter wrote to the danbury babtist from jefferson

Marvin is right on this one.
Jefferson was in England when he wrote that, but he did not intend on it meaning what the liberal hate groups ( AFL-CIO, ACLU, athiest, homosexual agenda) have twisted it to become today.

Freeme, your right, there is no claus stating a separation between church and state, if someone found one, it was probably in Wiki, where ANYONE can haphazardly change the truth to lies and vis versaM at will.

You obviously do not watch his show. Let me point this out: Glenn Beck is a Mormon and many, many Christians see Momonism as a cult. He says almost every day “whoever you call God”. He had Pastors, Priests, Rabbis, AND Imams standing with him at the podium.(And there may have been a Buddist as well, but I’m not positive about this.) They had a prayer meeting together the night before.
One thing that is missing in this country is the freedom to talk about your faith. I personally have been severly come against as have my children and I assure you I am not an in your face Christian. I want both sides told and we in America – especially in education – are not given that right. BTW I am a teacher on a reservation and there is more tolerence here than anywhere I have been and my dad was in the USAF. I can actually wear a cross here and not worry about losing my job. This was not so in Portland OR.
My point is that we talk about choice all the time, but are come against when we make a different one. Mr. Beck is encouraging us to stand against these things -AFTER WE GET OUR OWN HEARTS RIGHT!!!

If we could rid this country of the ACLU and lots of other self serving organizations, all of us could regain our God given rights as well as those in the US Constitution and The Bill of Rights. Only then will we be truly free.

Since I was about 15 years old (30 years ago) I have believed the ACLU is the Devil’s playground. He makes a lot of progress with that group.

I think the ACLU started out good. Now it’s just too extreme. However, I’m sure they do some good.

Karolyn,
Sorry, it seems I am picking on you and I’m really not. I disagree as any good the ACLU does is outweighed a thousand times by the BAD!!! they have made it possible for child molesters to go free to commit again, killers go free to kill again, and have argued AGAINST the constitution many times!!!

The ACLU was founded by American communists whose agenda was to subvert and incrementally destroy American democracy and freedom. They’ve done a hell of a good job of it to.

J. O, Thanks for that post.

How outrageous that the Christian taxpayer has to pay to glorify Ilam in schools, provide footbaths and prayer rooms in schools and public places, and show all kinds of preference for Islam, while forbidding a Christian from wearing a cross!

Satan has been very busy.

kate 8. yes satan’s been busy, but America’s gettin on the ball now, with alot of TRUE spiritual leaders.

Angel, God always wins.

Maybe He just lets us go so far so we can see what a miserable lot we are without Him.

We just keep repeating the same mistakes over and over….

BTW, God always raises people up in His time. It is usually the ones you’d least expect, too. They are not usually the religious leaders, as in clergy. They often have questionable pasts, but respond to His calling. Just look at the heros of the Bible.

Proclaiming God’s Truth is a scary place to be. Not many have the courage to place themselves as a target of the evil power-mongers. Glenn needs our prayers for the safety of him and his family.

kate 8, oddly enough my husband an I were talking about the same basic thing a little while ago (it’s alittle deep).. I believe, We are all, each of us in a different place spiritually. Each on a different plane. Some are farther than others, in our own comprehension & walk with Christ. I think it depends largely on what we’ve been through as individuals, our perception, our sensitivity, and our willingness to study Gods word, to just go be still for a time, shut your mind off, and listen.

kate8, I have a sayin I’ve used for years, I always say “God uses the stinkers in life”__It doesn’t mattter where ya been, what you’ve done, how bad ya been if we’re called, we pick up our cross and begin again!

What schools are you talking about? Certainly not any that my kids have attended.

Kinetic, I don’t know where you live, but it’s in textbooks all over the nation. Islam is painted as a great religion, and Christianity is portrayed as war-mongering and backward.

Here in CA, grade-school students were required to dress in Islamic garb and observe Muslim practice, like praying 5 times a day. Parents were outraged, but no one really cares what parents think anymore. In fact, a district court in CA just ruled that parents have no right to question, or even know, what their kids are being taught. Once they are enrolled in public school, they become property of the state.

Kate8,
My children have attended public schools in both northern and southern California. I have always been involved in their schools and I have NEVER heard of such a thing. The closest we came was when my daughter wore a dreidel costume and they added a Kwanzaa song to our Christmas program. I have searched for articles about the practices you mentioned, but nothing comes up. Can you direct me to some proof?

Kinetic, This issue has been in and out of the news, and addressed by partental rights groups off an on over the past 2 or 3 years. There has been quite a furor over it at times, in fact.

The school text and exercises have been exposed and hotly debated. They have been reproduced and plastered over information sites, for anyone to read about.

If you haven’t paid attention enough to know what has gone on, it is not my responsibility to do the research for you, and I don’t have time for it, anyway. If you care enough, you’ll do it on your own.

kate8,
there was a college in the news awhile back thatrecieves government funds that had to install seperate dressingroom ans shower facilities for Muslim girls as it was against their beliefs to be “viewed by non-believers! Also, it was revealed that a college in one Michigan town wastold they had to interupt classes if the holy time of prayer was during class!! I wonder where the liberals holy seperation of church and state is in these examples???

There is nothing wrong for Beck to express and profess his religion. David Barton has researched the relationship with the ‘founders’ and their religious beliefs. There is nothing wrong with that. Obama has credited Muslims with Americas rise to knowledge and prosperity. Why would you not allow Beck or Barton to make associations also. Beck is a firm believer in freedom of religion and the constitution. Anyone that says different Kinetic1 just does not know what they are talking about.

From Kinetic1: >>>With David Barton at his side to explain how every one of our founding fathers was a solid Christian,<<<

Bunk. Franklin was all but an atheist. Jefferson had little to do with Jesus.

Rob

The dirt in their closets is the reason they would not make a Christian stand.

Ben Franlin spent most of his time bedding down other men’ wives.

Bob you should be ashamed of yourself for slandering a great man like Ben Frankland in that way. It is true he had a child out of wedlock but you cannot find any writings during his time to make the statement you did. You are just part of this mindless anti-American trite from the liberal left.

Robert,
You are misinformed about both Franklin and Jefferson. They were not atheists, they were deists. This is common knowledge. There certainly were not anti-christain or anti-god as you appear to be.

Hey Bruce D… You sure do need a fact injection. Haven’t you ever heard of the Jefferson Bible?

Google it or go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

From that article: >>>Using a razor, Jefferson cut and arranged selected verses from the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John in chronological order, mingling excerpts from one text to those of another in order to create a single narrative. Thus he begins with Luke 2 and Luke 3, then follows with Mark 1 and Matthew 3. He provides a record of which verses he selected and of the order in which he arranged them in his “Table of the Texts from the Evangelists employed in this Narrative and of the order of their arrangement.”

The Jefferson Bible begins with an account of Jesus’s birth without references to angels, genealogy, or prophecy. Miracles, references to the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus, and Jesus’ resurrection are also absent from the Jefferson Bible.[5] The work ends with the words: “Now, in the place where he was crucified, there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid. There laid they Jesus. And rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.” These words correspond to the ending of John 19 in the Bible.

[edit] Publication history
After completion of the Life and Morals, about 1820, Jefferson shared it with a number of friends, but he never allowed it to be published during his lifetime.

The most complete form Jefferson produced was inherited by his grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, and was published in 1895 by the National Museum in Washington.

The book was later published as a lithographic reproduction by an act of the United States Congress in 1904. For many years copies were given to new members of Congress.[6] The text is in the public domain and freely available on the Internet.<<<

Rob

I did not say he was a Christian Robert. I said he was a Deist. I was aware of that writing but never read. Not believing in Christianity and openly being hostile towards it and/or God are two different things Robert.

The thing speaks for itself. We were once a blessed nation, we are now on the verge of becoming a third world(cursed).

It kind of just struck me (clearly not a lightening bolt from God) that perhaps what Beck is doing is making it ok for Christians to once again speak out in public — as the Muslims are allowed to do in the name of political correctness – perhaps Beck is just retaking a stance Christians seem to have lost in the last several years, in full view of the public, that’s it is indeed ok to say, I believe in God, I believe in Christ – And making it politically correct once again, to be a Christian out loud, to pray in public – I’m just thinking out loud here too….

I don’t think this was his original intent, liberty train, but it is a great by-product. We have been shut up for too long… more than a decade or so. Freedom to have our First Amendment Rights back again.

I believe Glenn’s original intent was as he has said all along to “Restore Honor” in ourselves and give “merit” to those who actually earn it with their selfless actions. We must return to God with our families and get right with Him, then we can stand on God’s side and do His will.

I agree that could be

but he is also ‘in recovery’ where one of the steps forward is believing in and turning things over to a Higher Power (aka God in many people’s upbringing)

A return to the Golden Rule and 10 Commandments would not hurt anyone in America.

Having separate rules. laws and ‘justice’ for different groups is killing the American Dream and the dividing our Nation.

I hope that GOD BLESSES AMERICA again, we have much work in cleansing ourselves and uniting under all things good, for that to happen. Each of us bears a responsibility for our own life nut also to family, God and country.

libertytrain, Do you notice how the left always seeks to denigrate and crush the status quo in the name of providing “equality” for the minorities?

They feel the need to slap down “whitey” in order to elevate blacks. They need to destroy Christianity in order to allow Islam to flourish.

How does this make any sense? What happened to freedom for all?

What appears to some to be “civil rights” is nothing more than a deceptive tool for enslavement for all.

Never has worked to create anything good. Never will. And good is not the reason for which it is intended.

When I was younger I didn’t think that way, but at 18 or so when I was looking for employment, I lost out specifically, and was told specifically, because they needed to hire a person of color so they would not be deemed racist – yep, I think that light started to turn on in my brain back then. Yes, perhaps I’m a little slow but there sure have been many observations over the years that smacked of cow manure being served to we the people…

You obviously don’t live in the South. When I first moved here, it floored me that people at the cash registers, on completion of your transaction, would say “Have a blest day.” It is quite the opposite here. I do not believe as they do and have to be careful who I talk to otherwise I will be shunned. On the other hand, even here in the Bible belt, there is a great deal of acceptance.

Interesting to see how some view the truth as a threat.

Some more goobelde goock by an airhead on the left!!!

I Think you’re mistaken; Glenn had Muslims, Jewish, and a variety of all faiths on the stage. He comes from a Christian back ground, but he is pushing the 9-12 agenda. Even if you’re an atheist you should be able to agree with those principles.

WRONG!! How can anyone say that the only way for this country to rise is if we all believe the same thing?

Kinetic,

Yet…I don’t hear/see you complaining about radical Muslims that claim Allah tells them to kill those who don’t conform to the Muslim religion….the “infadels”…..hmmmmmmm….I think that would be….us!….Christians and maybe atheists too since to my knowledge atheists don’t believe any God….not just our Christian God.

Robert -Why can you not respect others’ spiritual beliefs? Being Christian does not automatically make one right and good, just like being Muslim doesn’t make one a terrorist.

Karolyn, It’s not about religion. It’ about how we conduct our lives. The principles of truth, honor, respect, compassion, love…just happen to come straight out of Judeo-Christian teachings. Actually practising these virtues would save us.

If a religion teaches that one should force others into conversion or kill them, then I really don’t want those folks as my neighbors.

Absolutely. And I will say it again. Not all Muslims are terrorists and want to kill the infidel. Actually, I just saw on TV yesterday where someone is starting an advertising campaign spotlighting Muslim-Americans talking about how much they love this country. They showed a few clips, and one was of a bunch of cute kids – just like any cute Christian kids.

It’s all propaganda, Karolyn.

Karolyn,
That is nothing more than a cheap(?) advertising stunt to drum up support for the ground zero vicinity, (there i said it for all the bleeding hearts)Mosque!!! That has even been revealed on the alphabets!!!

Joe – I strongly disagree. I believe it’s an attempt for human beings to try to get the message across that they are people too and deserve to live a peaceful and safe life. BTW – the proposed center will not be a mosque and only has $10,000 raised so far out of the millions they need.

I think what u are both missing is that this is a call to the person. This is a call to a religious revival of a personal nature. It is really not political.
I believe what this is really about is what is missing from a lot of kitchen tables. A personal relationship with God…not just punching in your card on Sundays but a daily personal relationship. Then things will Change for the good because it will be His will not ours.
I found it AWESOME to see all the different faiths’ together! The message was VERY clear to those who were Listening.

I was there and it was indeed a call of the nation back to God – a few Baptist pastors joined in the week-end events, and the spirit of the occasion was in keeping with II Chronicles 7:14, which calls upon the people of every nation to repent as individuals and be drawn back to the Lord’s will for our lives as well as the collective future. Being a mother of 6 adults and grandmother of 9 more Americans, it’s my hope the nation finds spiritual restoration soon – that is our touchstone to future growth and national survival.

Vitoria, when 2 or more people gather in my nmae, I will be with thee.
author God

God and Politics have nothing to do with one another. Using religion is just a way to influence people by tapping into their belief structure and it’s the oldest kind of manipulation.

Yes they do, Dave,It’s amatter of choice wether you want to believ it or not. Prayer has been a part of politics & Country for hundreds of years. Worshiping either gods or God. In the Bible, Pharaoh prayed to the under lord, to restore life to his son, when the first Born of Egyptians we’re killed, as prophesied by Moses. Pharaoh lost his battle and kingdom, and admitted, that the GOD that Moses revered, is Lord. Moses then led the people out of bondage.

Hate to break it to you, but this nation was founded on Godly principles, and it was freedom of religion that caused the settlers to leave Europe and come here. Religion has everything to do with
leading this country, and it’s the lack of recognition of God that’s brought us down the path that we are now struggling with. Research American history, where do you think the terms “One Nation Under God” or ” In God we Trust” came from.

Dave, the left uses this tactic. Their religion is secular humanism, global warming and the green movement.

This leftist movement is every bit as threatening and dangerous to our freedoms as is Islam. The “true believers” are abslolutely fanatic, fascistic, and power-crazed.

This nation as coexisted with Christianity since it’s inception, and it has caused America to prosper as each understood its boundaries.

This is no longer the case. Christian principles have been marginalized and a “new religion” has come forward. But this “new” religion worships the creation, not the Creator. While Christ taught us how to be free, this new movement seeks to enslave.

The left always uses the cry for the “greater good” as their clarion call. But we can be sure that “good” is not what they have in store for the masses. It’s based on lies, deception, and fear. These are tools of evil.

Dave – It’s not religion; it’s spirituality. If everyone lived according to their own true spiritual nature, we would be in the Garden of Eden.

Karolyn–You are correct. It is spirituality and this is great. However, I wonder what the method behind his madness is. Did Beck find God? Has he changed? From spewing hateful diatribe to suddenly becoming redeemed? I make no joke about religion, I am a firm believer in God, but with the way the world is and the way the talk show hosts conduct themselves now and in the past, it does make me wonder about the sincerity.

That’s something I’ve been wondering. Apparently, he changed his tactics in mid-stream. What was going to be a political rally changed, probably because of the negative publicity regarding the date having been the anniversary of Dr. King’s big rally.

Nina,
Some groups did indeed come to America fleeing religious intolerance, but most came here for business. I realize that our schools give the most attention to the Plymouth pilgrims, but they were a very small part of our founding. Most ironic is the fact that, once here they were among the most religiously intolerant of all the colonies! No matter what the truth is, the fables of the founding and growth of our country as one based firmly in Christianity will be stressed by the churches and folks like Beck and David Barton.

As for our government, there is a reason that our founders left God out of the Constitution. And to those who point to the church’s involvement in other governments, look at the trouble it caused. It is that same interaction between the church and England’s monarchy that lead our leaders to fear the effects religion would have if allowed into our own government.

Karolyn and Claire,
I don’t think he did change his plans all of a sudden like you think. He has been talking this way now for the last year, as he had even said in some of his programs last year that he was going to be changing things and moving more towards the Lord and His view. He wasn’t even sure it would be accepted, and he has been very surprised.
Personally I think God has called him to do this at this particular time as God will use any willing vessel, and thankfully Beck is a willing vessel. A willing vessel here is any willing person.
Beck has been under attack for his stand, but anytime someone stands for Truth, honor or God, they expect to be ridiculed and scorned by those who do not understand.

Agreed, Jana, well said.

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I 2nd that Amen!

From Nella: >>>I found it AWESOME to see all the different faiths’ together!<<<

Really? What other faiths were with Beck other than fundimentalist right wing "christians?"

Rob

Robert Smith,

There were Muslims there ! I understand there were many different faiths there. But then what different does that make? It is the message that was important. Beck knows as well as many of the rest of us that there is just beginning to come a time when this country is going to be hurting. By that I mean the people in this country and there will be many of us that will have nothing but our faith in God to turn to. By turning to God and the christian principals we may be able to keep for being over run by anarcy. I am seeing these problems surfacing in my own neighborhood and also with some in my extended family. There are people out there without jobs that have not been able to collect unemployment or get on welfare because these programs are broke and those that are already on it seem to be grandfathered in so to speak ! In just this past month I have had to care for two different families and am in the process of just such a thing right now with a young man who came to my door about 3 days ago. He left his young family so they would have more in food stamps to feed themselves instead of trying to feed him too. My father-in-law had that same thing happen to him when he was going through the depression. He had to leave his family so they would have enough to eat ! People wake up, we are going into this thing and you better know how to handle it and do it in a Christian way or we are all in a lot of trouble. I urge all of you to please, if you know of someone that is in trouble like this at least make them a sandwich and take it too them. There is nothing wrong with Christian kindness and by that kindness you may be the one that turns the light on in the mind of someone else that doesn’t know what it is to be a Christian. It is time to stop questioning the motives of Glenn Beck and start listening to the message. He doen’t have to put himself up before all the ridicule, or live with all the threats on his life and the lives of his family so that he can be mis-understood by the rest of us. He is trying to allert you to a situation that is coming and is infact upon us and is urging us to turn our attention back to our faiths. When you have nothing else you still have your faith ! He asked for people of all different faiths to stand with him to show unity in joining together and reaching out a hand to people of all faiths, and yes even those of you with no faith. If you can get by without a faith in God , well good for you, but don’t sit back and ridicule those of us that do rely on our faith.

Oh yes I believe I heard that there were Hindu’s there too!

Glen Beck is one of the biggest phonies in this country and in love with himself and I agree NUTS too.

You are right about Beck crossing the line, but I “think” he has enough people watching his back, to help him. He has been given the gift of a great leader for us and lead us on. It will be the others out there and the govt that is going to try to dismantle him. They are the ones he has to watch. We also have to watch those in govt. that are fighting to keep “our” people from getting into office up tthere. Just pray for him and what he’s trying to take on and move forward.

Gino, David Barton is a true gift from God, he is a walking history book. I have a few of his books from wall builders.

Before you consider Barton a “gift”, research his books. Much of what he espouses as the “history of our nation” is based on false assumptions and fake documents. While there is no doubt that most, if not all of our founders were raised in one form of Christian church or another, evidence shows that their adherence to and involvement in these religions was often far less than claimed by the likes of Barton.

kinetic1, don’t bother buddy, already verified, and his history is original and NOT revised, like yours is, thanks!

If you choose to accept his word with blinders on, that is your right, but the very words of our founders often discredit him.

Kinetic1,

Put your money where your big mouth is and prove it! Your about to make me loose my Christianity here in a minute !

well put Granny Mae!

Why does “Christian” have to be used as an adjective in front of God? God is God.

Kaolyn, Christian stands for Christ like. God sent His Son to teach and show us how to live, then Jesus Christ became the sacrifice for our sins.
Christian doesn’t mean we are like Christ, it means we strive to be like Christ, although most of us fail, but He is our advocate to our Heavenly Father.

Jana,
Actually we ALL fail! “To breathe is to sin” Jesus was the only person to walk this world sin free!

Joe H,
You are so right. We ALL fail. Thanks for straightening that out.

Karolyn,

Good question! You don’t have to be Christian to believe in GOD. Jews also believe in GOD ! It is just easier for the christian bashers to use us to spread their hate and bigotry !

Gino says: >>>Its been that way until recently approx. 30 to 40 yrs. ago.<<<

Actually Bush expanded White Hours preying by a bunch over even Reagan.

Maybe it is all that preying from the White House that's causing the problem.

http://www.presidentialprayerteam.com/

Rob

The best bet for the Tea Party is to take over the Republican Party. I wouldn’t call it a “hostile” takeover. I’d call it rescuing the republican party, so the country can win.
The Republican Party had lost it’s way, but it is worth saving.

TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much kool aid!

Use spell check for a more believable comment.

Actually, Marvin is right. They call it religion, but it really is a turning back to the One True God, not a religion. There are many false ‘religions’ floating around. What Beck is calling for is a coming back to the knowledge and the praying for guidance to The One True God, our Heavenly Father.

Christianity is a way of life, just the same as Islamism is a way of life. You cannot separate a believer of Islam from his lifestyle, no more than you can a Christian from his lifestyle. you either are or you aren’t. It influences you in how you vote and how you act and how you conduct your whole life. Of course it would influence our politics. Again I will state the separation of church and state was not to protect our Government from religion, but to protect religion what ever it be from the Governments intervention or taking it over.

Jana—Very wise words. I agree with your comments. You hit the nail on the head. Literally.

History shows us that if government is not protected from religion, then religion will not be protected from Government. Most of the first 13 had a state religion. The result was that those who were not members of that religion were often ostracized and driven out. Many Americans consider this to e a Christian country, but if and when Christianity is allowed to become the “official” church of the USA, all religions will suffer.

Great post, Jana! I find it interesting that there are those who can claim Christianity, prayer, etc., “violates” their “religious” beliefs and they are catered too by the ACLU and other groups. I agree with your comments and will add this: I don’t believe in abortion (for the sake of birth control or irresponsible behavior)….abortion violates my own religious beliefs, yet the government feels it’s okay to use my tax dollars to pay for abortions (forcing my indirect support for something that is against my religious belief). If the government wants to use my tax dollars, then maybe they should not pay for abortions with tax payer dollars…funny how the government and FLL’s don’t seem to mind when the religious beliefs of Christians are violated.

I personally feel Beck is human (flawed like the rest of humanity) and I believe his ralley was a good thing. He has just as much right to hold a ralley as any other group…and I hope he has more rallies, close enough so I can attend.

Fed Up Gal,
There was an article I read the other day titled “Is Abortion Dumbing Down Society?” It stated that the people with a truely high IQ only make up about 2% of the population and the writer wondered how many Eiensteins or Salks, or Pasteures we have lost to abortion. At only 2% of the abortions since they became legal, it would stand that we have lost over one million geniuses!!! To all of the natural cure people out there this means that the person that could have found a natural cure for all disease may have been aborted!!! Think of it!!

Joe H,

Wow…..that sounds like a good article. Can you post the link here?

Joe H., interesting take on abortions…loss of geniuses.
I know God has given each of us a gift and He values us all.

Say Jana, what about chrustians like Bishop Spong or Bishop Gene Robinson, Bishop Otis Charles?

Rob

There Jana, you nailed it; “influence on how you vote”. Do the majority of politicians not pretend to be christians, so that they can get your votes? Think about it folks

Yes, Marie Mandel, I think you are right…the politicians have been pretending to be Christians because they know that is important to us as believers. They know we are looking for good leaders with character and integrity, morals (principles) and values.
Spot on… we have been fooled haven’t we?

Fed Up Gal,
I found the article. It was an editorial from a man named Mike Zuren of Lake County Ohio. In it he states that there have been approx. 52,000,000 abortions since Roe VS Wade. According to standford-Binet IQ scoring system, a genius is in the 140 or higher IQ. those make up only 2.2% of the population.potentially over one million people that would have obtained this status have been aborted since 1973. what would the effect of this on the world be? Surely, technology would be at a sustainably higher leveladdressing medical advancements, quality of life, environmental concerns, food supplies (poverty), energy needs, and potentially all worldwide concerns. If abortions were as accepted and as readily available as today in the United States, Einsteins contributions to physics, Gates development of the personal computer, and Edison’s inventive brilliance may never have happened. Even at superior levels of IQ, individuals creativity capabilities are focused in specific fields. Genius has typically been expressed in an individual’s specific capacity for reason, therefore each individual offers their own extraordinary contribution to transform mankind with their unique abilities.
This is just an excerpt of the piece but it gives you a good idea of what it says and the idea it tries to communicate!!!

Joe H,

Thanks for posting the excerpt from the article. How interesting….and very sad too. It still amazes me that people can so easily toss their futures away.

Rob, cite your sources moron!

It seems to me without God’s laws nothing would first of all exist,oh and I recently realized I’m not God either.So many think that we are here because of ourselves,that no creator with laws exist and all life just happens per chance.
Whose laws better to follow than the one whom created us as good. Governments usually start as beautiful apparitions of opportunity for the good of the people, then the people, (elected or not) grow and manifest themselves into usual entitlement thieves, glutonous, selfish perversions in which the result is always the same, FAILURE!Study God’s laws there is 10 great ones I’ve heard.Be strong,”Now is the hour to pray Jesus forgives us and does not forsake us”.

Mark, the 10 Commandments give us the recipe for successful living.
Christ came to write these principles on our hearts, that we would seek to honor God by honoring one another.

Don’t forget the greatest commandment: Love thy neighbor as thyself. And love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy mind, with all thy soul and with all thy strength.

Goes along with: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Honoring these principles, alone, would resore our nation.

Kate – Would you believe I agree with you?

kate8–I agree too.

Very well said! It is also a point that amazingly seems to be missed by many. I find it hard to understand why these ‘values’ are lost or argued against in most discussions.

Actually Karolyn,
I do believe you agree with Kate8. I know I have picked on you at times, but I don’t think you are a bad person, just misinformed in some of your thinking, just as you think I am.
I am glad you are on this site.
Smiles

Thanks, Jana. It’s nice to have civilized discourse.

Kate, this is true. So why are some of you listening to the likes of Glen Beck, and deny others their religion?
and their way of life. The so-called christians in this country need to remember that God created “all” So I suggest to all the haters of anti-government, anti-mexican, anti-muslims, anti-blacks. anti-gays, etc. to calm down, and STOP preaching fear and hatred. Don’t you agree?

Marie: God created Satan to, along with free will. Not all religions teach peace and love ( see Islam). Our country is in the classic good against evil war, not only with enemy nations but ourselves as well. Marie, whatever happened to you ? I loved you when you and your sisters had your TV show. When did you get stuck on stupid? The only think wrong with Glenn Beck is that he’s trying to tell the truth to a bunch of deaf people. Please rejoin the land of sanity and realism.

Marie, I do not agree with your assessment of most of the bloggers on this site. We are not anti-(the things you said), nor are we haters.

We are not anti-government but, rather, FOR our Republic as built upon our Constitutional framework. We are not anti-ethnicity but, rather, FOR equality and the rule of law. Not some are more equal than others, not preferencial rights, but freedom of choice. As for gays, we are not anti-gay, but rather, FOR all of us doing our own thing without having someone else force their ways on us and our children.

If people want to come to America LEGALLY, let them embrace our culture and not force us to bow to theirs.

For you on the left to insist that, because we want to preserve our liberty and way of life, this somehow makes us “haters” is absurd, and very tedious. Our nation is falling because our culture and our morality has been attacked and dismantled and, apparently, you libs have not yet been able to figure that out.

kate8, your response to marie was dead on.

From Mark G: >>> (elected or not) grow and manifest themselves into usual entitlement thieves, glutonous, selfish perversions in which the result is always the same, FAILURE<<<

Yes, those who are in the upper tax brackets are denying the end of the "Bush" tax cuts as if America "owes" them for them becoming so rich.

When are Americans gonna figure out that "trickle down" is something in a pants leg?

Rob

So right.

Robert Smith and Karolyn,

So…I’m assuming that you think it’s perfectly acceptable to expect the rich to pay a higher percentage of their income than those considered “not rich”? If I misunderstood your comments, I apologize; however, if your answer is yes…..I believe that equates to thievery….and it is sad that many Americans pass this dirty job off to their elected officials….leaving their own hands…clean (in their minds). It is still thievery, regardless of the “thief” or the “accomplice”.

Don’t you think it’s more reasonable that everyone pay a fair (equal) percentage of their income toward taxes? Hmmmmm….five, ten or fifteen percent of nothing is “nothing”…and five, ten or fifteen percent of a lot is………hmmmmmmm…..a “lot” more.

From Fed up gal: >>>I’m assuming that you think it’s perfectly acceptable to expect the rich to pay a higher percentage of their income than those considered “not rich”?<<>>I believe that equates to thievery….<<>>It is still thievery, regardless of the “thief” or the “accomplice”. <<>>Don’t you think it’s more reasonable that everyone pay a fair (equal) percentage of their income toward taxes?<<<

Above the poverty line certainly I'm in favor of a flat tax. But with that flat tax there shouldn't be deductions for SUVs and other huge loopholes.

Rob

Robert; when’s the last time a poor person signed your paycheck?

Robert Smith,

Whose pant leg? Your’s maybe?

I’m not rich….it has taken me 30 years to work up to the $50K/yr salary…and that’s not on typical 8-hr days. Sure, I wish I were wealthier, but I’m not…yet I am still prosperous in many ways. The point is, while I may wish I was more financially “set”, that does not mean I’m justified in having politicians steal from those wealthier to divvy up to me or to those less financially off than me. Again, a percentage of nothing is nothing and a percentage of a lot more, is a lot more.

Robert Smith,

Sorry for the late response; I missed your comment about the SUV when I first read your “above the poverty line” reply.

Just saying…..My only vehicle is a 14 yr old SUV and I’ve never been able to deduct anything on taxes for the SUV…..so not sure where you are going with your comment; maybe you can expound a bit on that.

I realize there’s a need for a tax base (for infrastructure and things that everyone must use); however, our current taxation policy is rediculous and makes fools out of all of us. A reasonable tax plan should incorporate the same tax rate percentage for everyone…..as I’ve said before….5, 10 or 15% of nothing is nothing….5, 10, or 15% of a lot more is a lot more.

There should not be a different tax rate for anyone; everyone’s tax rate/percentage should be the same. It seems that would also take into consideration the “at” and “below” poverty line as well that you referenced.

You may want to look further into the Fair Tax plan (approx 23% effective rate). It seems to me, to be the most reasonable tax plan out there, because it seems to level the playing field….for all players. Here’s a link to view information about what the current tax code is really costing tax payers:

http://www.fairtax.org/site/DocServer/What_the_federal_tax_system_is_costing_you-Tax_complianc.pdf?docID=7581

Once in the [fairtax.org] site, you should be able to navigate to find more information about the fair tax plan, questions raised by critics and answers to those questions.

For the record, I have a small rental property which I am able to receive some tax deductions for. Thus far, the tax deductions do help me keep the rents affordable for tenants; however, with the recent property tax increase in my state (all while property values have declined)…I may not be able maintain the property at the current rental rates…time will tell. With a fair tax code, I feel it would benefit not only me….it would benefit my tenants as well since I could afford to make improvements and upgrades to the property while keeping the rents affordable. Just my thought!

Hey Mark G, you can go for an alternative view at: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/02/hawking.god.universe/index.html?hpt=C1

Remember Steven Hawkings, one of the greatest thinkers of our time?

Rob

alpha, There has always been a double-standard when it comes to the left. Republicans have been forced out by only the appearance of misconduct, without even proof.

No one expects exemplary behavior from the left. They shed a tear on occasion, ask for forgiveness, and get promoted.

Nowdays they don’t even really do that. They simply deny it, and go on as usual.

Unfortunately, the right has become hijacked by progressives as well, so the difference between the two is narrowing. That is why they all need to go.

From kate8: >>>No one expects exemplary behavior from the left.<<<

Absolutely true, and I hope it continues that way. They aren't hypocrits about their behavior.

Barny Frank is an excellent example. There isn't anything wrong with being gay. He was honest about it. He's been kept in Congress by folks who appreciate where he STANDS on ISSUES, not who he LAYS with.

Those on the extreme right hide who they are. What else are they lying about?

Rob

I got this email today. Please read to the end.:

Even if you aren’t a sports fan this is very interesting!

36 have been accused of spousal abuse
7 have been arrested for fraud
19 have been accused of writing bad checks
117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
3 have done time for assault
71 … repeat 71
Cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting
21 currently are defendants in lawsuits,
And
84 have been arrested for drunk driving
In the last year
Can You guess which organization this is?
NBA Or NFL ?

Give up yet?

Scroll down,

Neither,
it’s the 535 members of the
United States Congress

I would bet that most policticians do get into politics for the right reasons. Unfortunately, one they get there, they get swept up by the crowd and everything changes.

Karaokyn, The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak, to turn away corruption.

Karolyn, Would you believe that I agree with you?

Cool!

Karolyn,
LOL and I agree with you too.

Karolyn,
while I agree with you in part, I still believe there are a good number go into it eyes wide open and do exactly what they want immoral or not!!!

I would think that Beck has less of a chance getting shot by a liberal than the president has getting shot by a conservative. In my observation, it seems that more people hate Obama than Beck. Beck is not hated but just viewed as a rabble rousing extremist buffoon. BTW Anne, where in Jersey do you live? I’m from central Jersey (all my life) up til 5 years ago.

Karolyn–Correct again. Good for you– for speaking your mind.

You ladies are living proof why women shouldn’t be allowed to vote. You “feel” rather than “think” That’s how Carter, Clinton, and BO got into office. you believe the fantasy instead of the reality. Thankfully most women have evolved beyond the “feeling” phase.

gunner – I “felt” that Clinton was an ass, I “felt” that Obama was all smoke and mirrors. I’m glad I “felt” that way. And I didn’t vote for Carter either -

Gunner,
I do think the LADY just gave you your come-uppance!!!!

Joe: not really, she just confused “feel” for natural intuition. One is based on emotion the other is based on Devine Guidence.

gunner – you might be right, I am an artist and we are supposed to be more “intuitive.” ——————–

Gunner, Sounds to me like your thinking with the little head again!

I disagree…
Beck IS HATED by the radical left as he is exposing their “Crime Inc.” and talking about God/ Jesus. Glenn has been threatened (he wore a bullet proof vest to the Restoring Honor Rally)and several of obama’s “friends” have conspired to take him down (to lose commercial sponsors, discredit FOX, and find “sex dirt”on him) and ruin his reputation and livelihood. The left behaves like an angry mob throwing things, hitting and biting those that do not agree with them, and busing in people to raise cain on people’s front porch if they so wish. Riot police are constantly brought in and many arrests are made at protests.

Whereas, obama is despised by the conservative right for over-riding the Constitution of the United States of America, taking away their Freedoms and Rights, growing expensive gov, growing the debt, forcing obamacare, cap & trade, net neutrality, strong arming/threatening Banks, CEO’s…appoligizing for America world wide and not calling us a Christian nation… (I could go on forever). The right behaves well and there is never a call for riot police and no arrests are made. Conservative protests and rallies have been pleasent and people are polite.

Which group of people would you feel safe in…

Gee, it’s too bad that we have a superhuman president who is responsible for all the ills in our country and who can also fix everything with a wave of his hand if he so wished. So why did all these crazy, hateful liberals not show up and spoil the day? It really is something that liberals are responsible for every evil there is. Wow! On the other hand, Christian conservatives never do wrong and get all their info straight from the mouth of God. Their battle cry is “Onward Christian Soldiers” and they are without sin, shining in their armour on white stallions. The liberals are all dressed in BLACK (the DEVIL’s color!) and are on black stallions.

Get real.

An angry response as always.
It’s okay if we don’t agree.

BTW
A superhuman would not have ills!

Christin,
I agree with you about Beck. There was even a group that started a web site that stated that he was guilty of raping a girl!!! this came about right after he exposed Van Jones’s being a communist. They said he presented false proof when he did it so it was O.K. for them to present false things about him!! Never mind that he presented solid proof in Jones, own words!!!! I wouldn’t put an attempt on Glenns life past people like that as they KNEW what they were saying was false and it could ruin his life!!!

Actually, there were some leftwing plants that showed up at the Beck rally. They tried to make trouble, but the people there surrounded them and chanted “we’ll pray for you, we’ll pray for you”.

The lefties didn’t have a prayer, so to speak.

Joe H., I did not know that about the attack website with false info on Glenn. It is ashame that wrong is not punished on the left as it would be on the right.
Nor did I know that the Lefty’s showed up to cause trouble at Glenn’s Rally, kate8. It seems the people handled it well, though.

Thanks for the info.

Kat – I would disagree with the word “plants” unless there’s proof. When we start using words like that, I think it’s unnecessary goading.

Karolyn, Beck reported on the leftys who were there to make trouble. They were routed out and asked to leave.

I have no reason to believe Glenn was untruthful about that. It’s all on video.

There are leftist groups, like those from ACORN and SEIU who have routinely attended these types of events to try to make the attendees look bad. Some of it has made the news, but was revealed as “plants”.

The fact is, Karolyn, that radical leftists do this as part of their “work”. Just as they come and hammer us on these threads. They are angry and spiteful, and seek to disrupt the plans of those who want to bring back our Republic.

Generally, although the right may vehemently disagree with the actions of the left, and even see them as dangerous, they do not try to stop them from speaking. The left, on the other hand, tries every tactic up to, and including, legislating them into silence.

Now, you tell me is the greater threat.

Christin are you on drugs?

Marie, are you stupid or just rude?

Marie Mandel,

Well….if Christin is on drugs….I won’t what she ordered….better than the peyote you seem to be smoking.

Christin, I can agree with your take on Beck, spot on, but I feel the beggest problem with Obama, other than his Marxist/Socialist/communist roots and agenda, is that he has taken the hand-off from previous administrations(Repub & Dem)and is running at top speed to destroy our country and ultimately put America under the hands of global rule. Disinchantment with previous administrations have created the national discourse we see towards our government. It is more apparent every day that he’s a puppet, unable to lead anything but the sheeple to the trough. He’s a community organizer that can’t speak 3 words without saying “ummm, hmmm, huh” unless he has a teleprompter.

kate8, we’ve known the left has always used plants(SEIU)in their attempts to discredit any group gathering they see as a threat to their liberalism.
just a few Tea Party tax day ralliy examples:
1. Racist Leftist Infiltrators Driven From Tea Party Rallies by Jim Hoft
Leftist and racist infiltrators were forced to flee at tea party rallies in St. Louis, San Francisco, Oceanside and Greensboro.
Patriots -4 Alinsky Thugs -0
2. In Greensboro, North Carolina local police put the kibosh on a disguised tea party protester.
3. In Oceanside, the tea party patriots drove out another leftist infiltrator from their event too.
4. Even at the rally in San Francisco, the patriots had pink arrows to point at the few leftists who infiltrated their protest today.

Unfortunately for the left, their Alinksy tactics backfired at the Tax Day Tea Party rallies. The radicals lost on Tax Day.

http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2010/04/16/racist-leftist-infiltrators-driven-from-tea-party-rallies/

What Retired Spook Saw at the Restoring Honor Rally
Posted by Mark Noonan in Patriotism on August 31st, 2010

It was probably the most spiritually uplifting event that my wife and I ever participated in, and we came away feeling renewed and rededicated to playing our part in making this country a better place.

The one accurate account that I did read later said that, in a crowd that extended nearly a mile from end to end, there were no arrests, and the only incidents that require police intervention were from a couple small groups of Leftist plants who brought some ugly signs up on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and were asked to leave.
http://blogsforvictory.com/2010/08/31/what-retired-spook-saw-at-the-beck-rally/comment-page-1/

JeffH – That’s so cool that you went to the Honor Rally! Way to go!

I think this rally has had a reverberating effect on large numbers of patriots. It has filled us with the spirit of hope and determination.

Victory is ours, because we are on the side of liberty and wholeness.

Hi Christin,

Let’s deal with reality here. You claim about Obama: >>>growing expensive gov, growing the debt,<<>>When President George W. Bush entered the White House in January 2001, the federal government had total revenues of slightly more than $2.03 trillion and expenditures of $1.79 trillion, leaving a budget surplus of slightly less than $240 billion.<<<

There is a graph there that traces the growth in federal government tax receipts and expenditures and resulting surpluses or deficits over the last eight years. (Source: The 2008 Statistical Abstract, U.S. Census Bureau)

It clearly shows the trend of more spending, lower income, and more debt on the way BEFORE 911. The excuse of a couple of wars, etc. is a lie.

Expenses can be controlled. Remember George Bush's no bid situation on medicine that became so expensive folks went to Canada for exactly the same thing? Then he tried to make buying elsewhere illegal. That isn't free enterprise!

Rob

Karolyn,

I think liberals (of which group you seem to relate too) feel about Beck the way we conservatives feel about Obama’s administration. You call it hating Obama….I call it “hating Obama’s sorry excuse of a plan, pathetic attempt to unite the country….yada yada yada.

Fed Up Gal in NM, I agree with you, although I find the use of the word “hate” despicable by anyone. That’s just my opinion though and I refuse to carry it in my vocabulary. The fact is that the liberals have a “patent” on the word “hate” and use it as freely as: the, and, a, of…you get my drift.

Jeff H,

I do get it, and yes…you are right about the use of the word. As I am a flawed Christian and human…I should try and and remove it from my vocabulary as well. Thanks for the appropriate reminder!

From Anne from Jersey: >>>What Glen should ONLY worry about is getting shot by some anti-God, left wing lunatic! <<<

I imagine that some will want to get 'em, just like abortion doctors have been shot down. After all, doesn't Beck advocate for the money changers? Do you think it would be the same kind of nut, or something different than an abortion doctor assin?

Rob

Hi Ann from Jersey! You said: >>>.” And if that means talking about God,<<<

What if it is "Goddess?"

If God is created in our image, half of us are female.

Rob

What a half witted remark from a lib!

I agree with some of what you said Dale. However, just because someone is an atheist does not make them a bad person. Socialists are not necessarily any worse as far as morals and values than anybody else either. I don’t think I’ve ever face-to-face talked to an atheist, but I have heard them interviewed; and they are like anybody else – concerned about their families, their health, the economy, etc. they love and are loved. The work and support their families. They are just people with different views on life and spirituality. A label does not necessarily make the man. “You can’t judge a book by its cover.”

Hi Karolyn,

You posted: >>> I don’t think I’ve ever face-to-face talked to an atheist, <<<

Or maybe a Boddist, Pagan, etc.

I'm sure you have. Your pharmacist, banker, someone at the gas station… They are simply people going about their lives. They don't wear marks like six pointed stars on their cloths because it ain't nobody's business or gays who had to wear a triangle. Most Americans don't talk about religion much and those who are in a minority talk less.

Rob

Rob

Karolyn: where do you buy your naivity pills? Do you get a free pair of rose-colored glasses with each bottle ? How about that back rub you promised ?

Dale, that was brilliant

From Dale: >>>You can’t totally separate the person and what they believe without ending up with a MONSTER.<<<

Really? What do you call people who put others on the rack? What do you call people who burn others at the stake?

What do you call people who will claim to condemn others to eternal hell for alleged "sins?"

Rob

Hey Michael D.!

You want to teach our kids: >>>it is most important to impress upon young people especially is that our basic human rights come from a higher power, not from gov’t. <<<

Incorrect, Michael. It appears you do have some respect for our Constitution but it also appears you are quite ignorant of it.

Let us begin the first lesson with, "We the people…" Have you ever heard those words? Our Constitution doesn't get it's teeth from a "higher power" or government. It is from US, the people.

I can understand how you might have not gotten that point if you went to one of them there christian schools that limits one's education. It's curable. Just read the Constitution. Please think about, "We the people" and what that means. It doesn't say someone's god, etc. The Founders were correct. They dealt with reality.

"We the people…" Kinda catchy, isn't.

Rob