TBA, everything and every program, Democraps create or try to do, alway ends up as a giant SNAFU. They never stay in projected budget, or stay with in the parimeters that was supposed to. Just like the federal budget the government employees wages and bennies. Just give us the facts where I’m wrong!

You are a typical liberal with your short talking point replys. I have forgotten more Government and constitutional law than you will ever know. I have prepaired my family for the coming disaster that will be very unpleasent until things turn around. I may be wrong but Ill bet thast you have done nothing, which is typical of a liberal. you will be waiting for others to come to your rescue.you will be waiting for a long time. Its going to be almost enjoyable to watch you and your socialist marxist communist friends flounder.

Bush is not my buddy. I dispise him as much as the Dems. I walked away from both parties years ago. As for being anti American you are saying that if I do not support the corrupt system that im not a Patriot.you see yourself as a Patriot because you do support the corrupt system. Give me a break. look around the country. it is socialism that has been ruining the country. All of the States are in trouble but if you notice the more socialist a State is the deeper in trouble they are. California for example is a basket case.A recent study of migration into and out of California has shown that most of those that are leaving are the producers.( As the framers of the Constitution said they are voting with their feet.) Of those arriving they are heavy with takers.( Those who want to live off others)the Governor was asked where most of the tax moneys comes from. he replied that over the years it traditionally came from the rich. he was then asked if the rich ever revolt. he replied that sometimes they take their money and leave the state. (I would call that a revolt)in The news yesterday the California legislature revealed that of every dollar of tax payers money that is spent 80 cents goes to pay the salaries benifits and retirement of the state government workers. Government workers are needed to a certain extent to carry out the business of the state but in Californias case it is not sustainable. so to fix California and the other socialist states that are in serious trouble Obama decides to send Aid to the states.this act was totally unconstitutional. The states are sovereign to each other and to the Federal Govt.there is no provision in the Constitution for the Fed. Govt. to help the State Govts.it is not up to the citizens of those States whose legislatures have been responsible to bail out the states that have floundered because of their looney tunes legislatures. and where does he tell us that the money is going to go. you got it! to the teachers police and firefighters.(always funded by the State Govt.)of course this rewards those unions that supported him in his election and it props up socialism. (for a time) It is eventually going to collapse and the people to blame are the California State Legislators that have for decades bought votes with taxpayer money. There is a old saying that when you rob Peter to pay Paul you can count on Paul to vote for you. Please dont respond. It is clear that you will never understand the founders approach to freedom and individual liberty. this has all been an excercise in futility. Its like a person trying to teach a pig to sing. it tries the persons patience and it irritates the hell out of the pig.

You cant understand because you are a socialist, you honestly believe that others are responsible to take care of you. our country was fine before the early nineteen twenties progressive movement began to socialize America. they knew that they could never amend the Constitution to permit their socialist programs so they went the next best route. the progressives realized that its so much easier to put their liar for hire progressive judges on the bench and have them criminally rule that the Constitution means something that it does not. You dont understand me because I am a Patriot. in the great words of Thomas Paine “It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its Government. If you will look at the history of the country it is obvious that as we have become more and more socialist our economy has become worse and worse. Socialism does not work. it has never worked. it kills incentive. Here’s some definitions. Capitolism is the unequal distribution of wealth. Communism is the equal distribution of misery. Socialism is communism by installment and a socialist is a communist with patience. After all the crap collapses that was caused by democrats over the decades buying votes with tax payers money (they wrote checks that they now cannot cash) the country is going to come back stronger than ever. We are going to go through a lot of pain and the longer we wait the more painful it is going to be.I have a very bright outlook for the future when once again productive Americans can go back to work and realize the fruits of their own labor.

If the Govt will return the moneys they have stolen from me in Soc. Sec. taxes over the years with compound interest that I would have earned in private investment, I will do exactly that. otherwise I am going to collect as much as I can in an effort to help collapse the system. the sooner it goes under and we start over with a Constitutional Govt the better of we are all going to be.

There is a need for health care reform but not obamacare. you have a right to obtain health care. you do not have a right to have health care. there is a simple test that can be applied to determine if something can be a right. the test is this. (does it require something of someone else) if it does it cannot be a right as you are interfearing with someone elses rights. this is known as a self evident truth. If you look at the bill of rights, not one requires anything of anyone else. the bill of rights requires the Government not to do various things. nothing could be simpler to understand. The people of this country that have become accustomed to having Government steal money from others to take care of themselves will never understand this basic concept.

President Obama was elected on the campaign issue of healthcare for all Americans and the people spoke with their vote.The last poll I had seen there was a dramatic increase of support for the HC bill but polls seem to vary depending on who is pushing their agenda and what site you are looking at.I would have to say voting Americans are the winner here.

Taxes for social security were gathered for the first time in January of 1937. The US Supreme Court in 1937 ruled that all moneys collected with the social security tax must be placed in the treasury general fund along with all other taxes collected. the court ruled that not a single dollar could be earmarked (set aside) for social security. The criminal Congress in order to hoodwink the public created a special IOU to be placed in what they said was a trust fund
For example lets say that the Govt took in 1000 dollars with the social security tax. 500 dollars is spent on current recipients and the remaining 500 dollars is placed in the treasury with all other tax money and is spent on whatever the Congress wants to spend it on. the criminal Congress then creates a 500 dollar IOU and places it in the phoney trust fund.
Every body is happy right! NOT SO FAST! when the time comes that the Govt. is taking in less money than it is paying current recipients (sound familiar) they are going to have to redeem those IOU’S. Because the Govt. has no way to create real wealth (only the private sector can do that)to raise the money to redeem the IOU’S the Govt is going to Tax the citizen”s once again or they will print the money thus stealing the money from the citizens with inflation.
I rest my case. there has never been a Social Security trust fund with any real assets. its all been a fraud from the beginning. the whole crooked scheme brought to you by Democrats of course.

The health care bill, is a just a new tax and spend
bill.
Health care took a back seat, to the Obama administrations
(spread the wealth philosophy) as it relates to health care.
Experts are continually saying that the bill will not work.
It will raise taxes and lower the quality of health care.
People will in many cases take advantage of the bills
weaknesses, and cost the economy more.
It WILL ADD TRILLIONS TO THE DEFICIT !! Contrary to the
selling points claimed by the bills supporters.

Yeah, the welfare queens with the 20 kids and the lon fingernailos well manicured …..still going on…their hands out for the check! Also, look on the highways and the city streets at the young set who do not work but they have the latest gadgets and the low rider cars with the flashy wheels! Who pays for those!
I’m tired of paying for the misfits who do not know what causes pregnancy and those youngsters who do not try and get a job!
I don’t want my dollars to go for the free loaders of society!
Obama has done the working class conservative American it; but, that was the purpose! He has stolen from us…hard working Americans!

S.S. WAS MEANT IN THE BEGINNING TO COVER OLD AGE SURVIVORS. IT WAS LATER EXPANDED TO COVER AFDC.. AID FOR DEPENDENT CHILDREN –REMEMBER THE WELFARE QUEENS WITH 20 KIDS.. THEY ARE STILL AROUND. ALSO–THE SO CALLED INT. THE S.S.A. IOU’S IN THE SO CALLED LOCK BOX ARE NOW EARNING FROM TREASURIES INTEREST IS FROM 1 TO 2.5 %–WITH INT. RATES BEING ARTIFICIALLY HELD DOWN TO NEXT TO NOTHING. ALL BUSH WANTED WHEN HE SPOKE OF PRIVITIZATION WAS THE SAME DEAL OFFERED TO OUR BLOATED GOVT. WORKERS.. A SMALL PORTION OF SAVING BEING INVESTED IN THE GOVT. T.S.P. —THRIFT SAVING PLAN.. IT HAS BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS FOR GOVT. WORKERS. ONE HAS CHOICES–BONDS, STOCKS, MUTUAL FUNDS,OR A BIT OF EACH. MAKE NO MISTAKE.. SOC. SECURITY IS BECOMING A DINOSAUER. IT’S YEARS ARE NUMBERED AND WE WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE OUR OWN OLD AGE RETIREMENT FUNDS. IT CAN BE DONE.. WHEN MY HUSBAND WAS DYING, FORTUNATELT WE HAD ENOUGH TIME TO SET UP A PLAN WHICH SUPPORTS ME IN MY RETIREMENT.. I DID WORK FOR 35 YEARS AND STILL PAY HEFTY TAXES BUT WE SAVED FOR MY FUTURE , EXCEPT FOR MY GEN. MTRS BOND WHICH OBAMA STOLE FROM US RETIREES I DO NOT NEED HELP FROM ANYONE.WAKE UP AMERICA–ENTITLEMENTS WILL SLOWLY BE ELIMINATED UNTIL THERE ARE NONE.. GLOBALIZATION HAS PUT US IN A PLACE WHERE OUR INCOME MUST NOW BE SHARED WITH THE ENTIRE WORLD.

There is no Social Security trust fund. there has never been a trust fund.The US Supreme Court ruled in Helvering vs. Davis (1937) that Social Security is not an insurance program saying “the proceeds of both employee and employer taxes are to be paid into the treasury like any other internal revenue generally and are not earmarked in any way,”
In Fleming vs Nestor(1960) The Us Supreme Court said “to engraft upon the Social Security system a concept of accrued property rights would deprive it of the flexibility and boldness in adjustment to the ever changing conditions which it demands.”
Even the Social Security Administration is trying to back away from the lies it has told over the years.on its web site the Social Security Administration said that” entitlement to Soc. Sec. benifits is not a contractual right. adding “there has been a temptation throughout the programs history for some people to suppose that their FICA payroll taxes (taxes not contributions) entitle them to a benefit in a legal contractual sense. Congress clearly had no such limitation when creating the law.”
Well there you have it. Social security is not insurance and not a contract. Congress can adjust it or END IT at any time and no one has a legal leg to stand on.

With so many opposing the Obamacare plan, why would they think it would now be more acceptable? My insurance went up, considerably. Why?

If I can’t see any of my medical professionals, I hope my veternarian won’t turn me down…

It’s easy to say “everybody should have adequate healthcare.” However, it isn’t that easy to do, financially. During the last two years of our lives, all sorts of medical tests and treatments are invoked, just to prolong life. This now accounts for 30-40% of all Medicare expenditures. That alone would bankrupt the system. Faced with that dilemma, Congress would then decide which healthcare services are necessary, and oulaw the rest. Eventually, Congress would decide what constitutes healthcare and what does not.

Yeah, right… Support for any sensible and fair health care reform is falling…!? And love and affection for
the “good fellas” – the outrageously greedy insurance and drug companies, the banksters, all the useless and costly wars etc. is steadily growing…!? I am sure that more and more Americans will stop listening
to such malicious preaching and brainwashing, there is no other way!

I am %100 total and per. disb service connected.The V.A.is now charging my pvt. ins blue cross blue shield.for V.A.treatment All iwant to know is this partof oboma care? p.s this has never happened befor

Candy coated communism, candy coated socialism, all being shoved down our gullets by those that have no regard for the American people. But they are willing to give it away free to illegals, that simply need to be sent home, even if in a body bag. That idiot retarded pelosi cannot survive without illegal workers in her and her husbands companies and she definitely cannot survive without the mexcan vote. Take this healthcare and shove it up the closest idiots butt that voted for these imbociles.

There are 50 MILLION people in the US on Medicaid (medical welfare). There’s got to be a better and cheaper way. Medicare is at least partly paid for by the people who will eventually use it. Medicaid and the VA hospitals are pure taxpayer budens.

agreed

DUHHHH …..most people didnt want obummers plan at all but he and the dimocraps pushed it on us anyhoo

Doctors making life and death decisions should NEVER be employees of the State.

i just don’t want the criminals in D.C. touch anything that has my money in it. wish i was young enough to see S.S. put in private hands with me being able to say where its invested. the government does a hell of a job a whole 1%, less what they steal.

Jeff, Jim, & SC,
As I recall the facts are very straight forward, this HCR Bill has never been about {Health Care,} its always been about “TOTAL Control and Power” over all of our lifes from day one.
This form of Health Care has been a 100% total failure in every country its ever been tried in, thats the facts straight out and they can not be denied no matter how thick the rhetoric from the radical left.

The facts are that our government is so corrupt that that corruption filters through every facet of our lifes in all forms.

Health Care is not a right, when its forced on a populace that then becomes a crimminal act, so much so that the only ones not able to see it break down into two groups.
One, the crimminals who support such.
Two, the groupies of the criminal element the ones who feel that everyone owes them something.

We have been fostering this second group for years now we call them the “UNWORKING Welfare Entitlement” crew, also known as the UWE.

Both of these units can argue their points with a razor sharpe edge, not unlike all criminals can.

Please do Keep in mind that 100% of all prisons are full of 99% of the people within them who in their own words; innocent of any crime. Even if DNA has them by the balls, let alone eye wittness, or even a film of them in the act.
All thats wrong and you can’t argue with them, as they have used the rationalization that they are innocent, thus it’s true.

Power is being able to control others lifes, in all respects, when the government can take funds from your bank account when they feel like it, or turn you away from the alledged care that you have paid for, or fine you for not allowing them to rob you, thats criminal power over your life.
Thats what was passed as health Care reform.

Of course support for this unconstitutional, anti-American crapola is falling. Schmuck is as schmuck does, people.
How can there be anyone left who doesn’t see this prez for the velvet-gloved thug he is? His galling, bone-deep arrogance makes Bubba Clinton seem like Mr. Rogers. I don’t care how it’s sugar-coated, folks.
Crap is crap. It doesn’t make any difference WHO is selling it. It’s crap now, and it will be crap as long as it’s being rammed down our throats. So what happened to progressives and their lofty standard they love to call CHOICE?