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August 31, 2010 by  

Back Inside the Asylum…

If anyone wants to shove their heads in the desert sand regarding Iran, have at it.

I’m disinclined to hand a free pass to an Islamofascist regime with a pronounced tendency to make the psych ward at Bellevue look like bingo night at the senior center. I’m similarly disinclined to believe Pollyanna-ish assurances that we have nothing to be concerned about in the wake of a line of trucks pulling into the brand-spanking new nuclear plant at Bushehr, Iran on a recent Saturday afternoon.

Sure, they were delivering uranium fuel to the terrorist regime’s new nuclear facility — but what’s a little radioactivity between friends? Plus, The Associated Press says the Russians are keeping a watchful eye on things. I’m sure we’re perfectly safe now. The town drunk has promised to watch the town sociopath while we’re out shopping for a new economy. What could possibly go wrong?

But wait — the Russians are not the only ones playing Officer Krupke when it comes to Iran’s supposedly peaceful development of the world’s most dangerous filament fertilizer.

The United Nations gave the all-clear as well. In fact, they’re claiming that the Russian-oversight plan should ease concerns about just how enriched will be the enriched uranium now clasped in the Iranian paws.

In order to function as fuel for a power plant, uranium needs to reach the 3.5 percent enrichment level. Weapons-grade uranium must be jacked up to the 90 percent level. The Iranians are already working on enriching the good stuff to a 20 percent level (for medical research, honest!)

Fret not, my friends — the Russians are going to control the fuel supply. And there’s no chance the Iranians might sneak around the corner and dump a little extra octane into the mix, right?

Even the mighty French have chimed in. The French Foreign Ministry released a statement regarding the Iranian nuclear program, saying — again — there was no real cause for alarm. Terrific — the French said the same thing about Germany and the Anschluss.

If only the Iranians were as reassuring. Leave it to one-third of the Axis of Evil to remind us that they’re… one third of the Axis of Evil. While the Russians, French and U.N. all spoke in soothing tones, the note struck by Iran was decidedly less mellifluous.

Lest we think Ahmadinejad and the rest of the Islamic Clown Posse were just playing nuclear dress-up, they also broke the news that they have tested their air defense systems around Bushehr, and have determined them to be effectively operational.

Any time a spokesterrorist “strikes a defiant tone” — trouble isn’t just in the neighborhood, it’s doing doughnuts on the lawn and TP’ing the house.

According to Iranian nuclear chief Ali Akbar Salehi:

"Despite all pressure, sanctions and hardships imposed by Western nations, we are now witnessing the startup of the largest symbol of Iran’s peaceful nuclear activities,"

The same guys who can’t finish a sentence without shrieking about the fiery death of some Zionist-capitalist-imperialist-somebody are promising to play nice with their high-yield glow sticks.

We have no intention of building nuclear weapons with this stuff we have that can be used to build nuclear weapons. We are a peaceful society, simply trying to…DEATH TO THE ZIONIST/AMERICAN INFIDELS…make it cheaper to turn on the lights.”

Let me get this straight: an Islamofascist regime is about to throw the switch on a heavily defended NUCLEAR facility, and the only assurances that they’re not going to start churning out atomic luggage for every Tom, Dick and Akbar with a saif to grind are coming from the guy who can’t get past the first step in an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting, the guy who still laughs at Jerry Lewis movies and the rejects from the carnival?

For you victims of teachers’ unions out there, Iran’s proclamations of peaceful nuclear intent are as transparent as a Lady Gaga Grammy Awards costume.

Iran sits on top of some of the most expansive oil reserves on the planet. Unconstrained by a Democrat Party bent on protecting foreign oil interests to the detriment of their own people, the Iranians can — to paraphrase Governor Sarah Palin: “Drill here and drill now.”

The AP, doing their best version of the liberal appeasement shuffle, excuses the Iranian desire for nuclear power despite being awash in enough black gold to make Jed Clampett magenta with envy by suggesting their refinery capabilities don’t match their raw material output.

Here’s a suggestion: instead of building nukes, have the Iranians considered building REFINERIES? It’s not like they have to worry about the Sierra Club showing up to demonstrate — the Sierra Club is busy pretending global warming is real. Besides, the Sierra Club is stupid, not crazy. Protesting against American oil companies earns you donations from Sean Penn. Protesting against Iranian anything earns you a bullet.

Three weeks ago, I penned “The Lapdogs Of War” for Personal Liberty Digest in which I suggested that the time had not yet arrived for war with Iran. Ham-fisted foreign policy, especially with regards to the evil-dwarf regime running the show in Tehran makes a concerted military effort dubious at best.

In a hypothetical conflict, the United States vs. Iran would be shorter than Ahmadinejad without the lifts in his shoes. Sadly, the fact that Obama has alternated between apologizing to murderous dictatorships for the American pursuit of freedom and cowering like a frightened 5-year-old in a thunderstorm every time one of these tin pots starts banging his cymbals together assures we would end up bogged down in the mother of all Mesopotamian quagmires.

However, while our current ruling elite may have brought back the idiotic foreign policy malaise of Jimmy Carter, who was such a sniveling knot head when it came to dealing with global hostilities that his biggest military engagement was a loss in the Battle of the Chattahoochee Bunny; there is an alternative: Israel.

Now, I know many of my fellow Bob Livingstonians consider allowing Israel off the leash to be anathema at best, but consider the alternatives. Our current ruling elite is less likely to lead a successful military effort than House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is to turn down free Botox®. And given the green light on turning Bushehr into an even more inhospitable sandbox than it already is, Israel would light these guys up like a Menorah on… whatever day it is that a Menorah is fully lit.

When Saddam Hussein tried to enact his original nuclear ambitions, Israel hit the off switch at Osirak (built, perhaps tellingly, by the French) with a sledgehammer, killing the Iraqis’ chances at debuting the world’s first atomic arsenal in the hands of a complete lunatic (not counting Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko and Xiaoping.) Iran has already admitted plans to construct an additional dozen nuclear plants in mountain strongholds.

Iran has also repeatedly promised the complete destruction of Israel. Iran ALSO has missiles which put Tel Aviv well within range. Israel has no problem kicking hostile Islamofascist regimes in the teeth. Given their track record in that area, they’re pretty good at it.

A pre-emptive Israeli strike on Bushehr might lead to open warfare in the Middle East. A nuclear-armed Iran will, by its own admission, almost certainly lead to open warfare in the Middle East. The former might well involve American money. The latter might well involve American lives. Combining the possibility that Iranian aggression may well be backed by Russian and/or Chinese men and materiel with Obama’s weak-kneed tendencies, a nuclear-armed Iran could well spell Big Trouble in Little Tehran.

Iran has stepped up its schedule with surprising speed. In addition to the Bushehr reactor, they also used the weekend to debut a new Qiam-1 medium range missile and even capped off their Sunday with a ceremony to introduce the world to an unmanned bomber which Ahmadinejad dubbed their “ambassador of death.”

Given the Iranian regime’s rhetoric, when they can start trying to dictate the terms of the nuclear conversation, they will. I’d rather gamble with Israeli lives than our own. And with our current Commander-in-Chief more interested in engaging Arizona law enforcement than Islamofascist terrorism, the odds on the table are nowhere near worth our chips.

Perhaps most telling of all: I considered offering this piece to President Obama for comment, but he was on vacation… again.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • http://www.songtale.com Phil Klein

    Albert Einstein said:

    “With the splitting of the atom, everything has changed except our way of thinking.”

    There could be no better example of this statement than the preceding article. Does anyone really think that Iran…even with a few primitive nuclear weapons… would attack a country with over 200 sophisticated nukes, let alone an ally (us) with a fleet of submarines, any one of which could destroy all the major cities in the world?

    Whatever happened to MADD? I know what many of us are…MAD!

    Phil Klein

    • 45caliber

      I believe what they say – and they say they will attack as soon as they have the means. You are placing yourself in their shoes and trying to decide what they would do based on what YOU would do. And that never works.

      • DaveH

        What never works, 45, is becoming the bad guys in which case we would have no moral standing.
        At any time in our lives there are numerous people that could walk up and put an end to us. Does that justify us to become the aggressors? That logic wouldn’t work on an individual level and it doesn’t work on the country level either.

      • Agent Orange

        Why the hell would we need “moral standing” when we got all the FIREPOWER in the world?!

      • Al Sieber

        So Agent, just keep going against the Founding Fathers about staying away from foreign entanglements? why are we so war hungry? we should take care of our own borders and country and people, and not be a puppet of Israel. we’re are now the modern version of Rome,a empire. we are in serious trouble, our economy, our rights etc. this is all a distraction, and it’s working.

      • Bob

        Let Israel spill their own kids blood.

      • 45caliber

        I don’t believe I’ve once said that we should hit them first just because. I have no problem waiting until they act. But when (not if) they attack we need to slam them back into the stone age. The problem is that too many liberals shudder at the very idea of doing that. “They might shoot back and hurt someone here! Besides, it’s wrong to defend yourself with violence! Violence never solves anything!”

        Actually, violence does solve things. It prevents them from trying again.

    • JRC

      You are over estimating the power and destruction of a nuclear weapon. Do some research and you will find out why the nuclear powers have thousands of them…they would NOT need them if each nuclear submarine would be able to destroy all the cities on earth.

      • 45caliber

        All cities? There are a lot. But the biggest and most important ones? Easily. How many can you name? Basically the capitols of Europe, four or five in the US, a couple in China, Tokoyo, and perhaps a handfull more in the world. One city in South America, none in Africa.

      • Bob

        45 What would happen if one of these missiles was screwed up and blew up in the silo. You make it sound like it’s setting off a firecracker.

      • 45caliber

        Bob:
        So it did blow up in the silo. It would probably ruin a good section of land and kill everyone near it. It isn’t any worse than an enemy nuke would be if it landed.. And I’d rather take that risk than allow the enemy to continue throwing them at us while I trembled in fear of even using my own. I grew up with some nuclear silos near me in Arkansas. Did it bother anyone? Not that I know! It’s the ones that don’t blow up in silos that are the problem. And despite someone saying that nukes aren’t that powerful, some of them are. Despite the size of our biggest cities, some are big enough to wipe out the city. Hiroshima was only ten megatons if I remember correctly. Some today are thousands of megatons in size with 100 mile burst diameters.

      • Agent Orange

        Actually, a nuclear missile CANNOT blow up on accident — it has to be POSITIVELY ARMED before the nuke part would detonate. Sure, the propellant and the conventional (primer) explosives might blow up IF someone was MIGHTY CARELESS, but that’s NOWHERE NEAR the size of a nuclear explosion.

      • eddie47d

        Looks like Agent Orange is ready to pull the switch on nukes. He really wants to meet his Master.

      • Al Sieber

        Yeah, he should run for president.

  • DaveH

    Can I something rational?
    Do we have nuclear weapons. Yes. Do we have any more right to possess them then any other country? No. Doesn’t it make us look a little hypocritical to pick and choose which countries can have them?
    How well do you think it would stand up in a court of law to say “But your Honor, I think he planned to kill me, so I had to kill him first”. And I know, some would say but this isn’t just one person’s life at stake. But aren’t we all individuals? Is one individual’s life any less important than ten individuals’ lives? Would you be the one who volunteered to die to save ten others?
    I expect Government to behave as morally as I expect the individual citizens to behave.
    My solution? We point multiple missiles at Iran. We let them know if we see one missile coming our way or if one dirty bomb goes off in our country, we launch them. Or if they attack another country in an unprovoked fashion with a nuclear weapon, we launch them. You can bet your butt, they would not launch that weapon and they would be vigorously weeding out their fanatics, including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    • 45caliber

      I have to disagree about all you have said here. First, we at least TRY to maintain peace. They don’t. That should give us some right. Second, you may expect government to follow the will of the people, but I certainly don’t! Even if it is ours.

      The midget dictator in Iran has already stated that he is willing to have his country turned to glass if he can bring down the Great Satan (us) so the rest of the Muslims in the world can take over. He expects to go to heaven for that – when he knows there is no way to get to heaven on what else he has done.

      • Bob

        Iran has thousands of conventional missiles. They could do plenty of damage if they had a mind to.

      • 45caliber

        So? The last I saw of their missile use, they were so inaccurate that Israelis don’t even bother to duck any more. After all, they supply Syria and Hamas.

      • Bob

        Wrong again you parrot.

      • 45caliber

        Really? Then why do the missiles keep missing? Or are you trying to say the Israelites shoot them at themselves?

      • Lubo

        Bob……How well do you think conventional weapons will work against your enemy in a nuclear exchange? I fail to understand your logic?

        Fact is, ONE of our MANY Trident nuclear subs carry enough nuclear warheads to totally blow IRAN off the planet. In fact, our fleet of nuclear armed sub’s can distory every major industrialized nation on the planet.

        I guess that is why we are referred to as THE “Super Power” and being that I lived through the cold war with Russia, that is probably not a BAD thing.

        I’m not a war monger but our STRENGH and WILL are measured everyday by our enemies, and will continue to be, until the end of time. SO walk softly and carry a BIG stick and we will keep those enemies at bay, hopefully without violence.

      • Bob

        Lubo I lived through the cold war. It was just another charade so the arms industry could get rich. Wall Street banks financed Russia as well as Hitler. Just like the space industry is a scam. We’ve never been on the moon.

      • 45caliber

        Bob:
        Are you one of the “flat-earthers” who believe that the entire space program is generated in Hollywood?

      • Lubo

        BOb…. you lost me buddy?

      • Claire

        Bob—my husband would agree with you. Make no doubt about it, Iran could deal a mighty blow.

      • http://eddie47d Ed Laurson

        Be prepared but never be the aggressor.

      • DaveH

        If we strike the first blow, what does that make us? I say the aggressor. Especially in the eyes of countries other than our own.

      • Agent Orange

        Wrong — it was IRAN who ALREADY struck the first blow back in 1979 when they took our embassy workers hostage (which is a BLATANT ACT OF WAR), so we’re ALREADY AT WAR WITH IRAN and we have EVERY RIGHT TO LAUNCH AN ATTACK ON THEIR HOMELAND if we believe that they’re threatening us in any way!

      • Bob

        Back in 1953 the CIA overthrew the democratically elected president of Iran. They were just taking their country back.

      • Agent Orange

        And by the way, why would we give a damn about what other countries think of us? We all know that they hate and envy us anyway, no matter what we do or don’t do!

      • eddie47d

        agent orange =burning flesh. No wonder you love nukes!

    • Maranatha! Mark

      Pointing all the nuke in the world dosen’t work, if the nuts in charge think that they will be Allah’s favorite, for bringing on the chaos, death and destruction necessary to bring their Islamic Messiah! Your thinking is what got us into this mess, for you fail to understand how the Iranian President and the Clerics in charge see this.

      • 45caliber

        I agree. These liberals all want to believe that these people will act the same way they themselves would in the same situation. And that isn’t true.

      • DaveH

        Mark,
        It doesn’t matter what the nutjob Mahmaud thinks. Already there is a large contingent of his own people that don’t like him. He may be ready to die, but do you really think the rest are?
        The guy has been rattling his sabre for years now. He’s a blowhard.
        But even if not, I repeat, for us to strike the first blow makes us the aggressors. Maybe that sits well with you guys, but it doesn’t sit well with me. I prefer Teddy Roosevelt’s approach of walking softly but carrying a Big Stick.

      • DaveH

        I might add, that I believe it’s your kind of thinking that got us into this mess.
        If you want people to respect you then butt out of their businesss. If they attack, we should take them down 3 for every one of ours and then get the flock out of their country. Let them rebuild their own nation. They wouldn’t mess with us too many times. As it is now we’re draining our financial and military resources on the futile attempt to change the Middle-Eastern Muslims. They aren’t going to change. They’ve been fighting their neighbors for 100s of years.
        How would you like it, Mark, if we had Mexican police (not mexican-american, but Mexican) patrolling our streets with uzis? You wouldn’t. So why do you think the Iraqis, or the Afghanis would somehow love us for doing it? Dream on.

      • Agent Orange

        It doesn’t matter what those iraqui and afghani ragheads think of us, cause they’re SAVAGES and can’t manage their own affairs! And the fact is, we CIVILIZED folks HAVE to keep the SAVAGES from doing as they please, cause if we don’t then they’ll ATTACK us to take all our goodies from us!

      • eddie47d

        Dave makes good sense most of the time and he knows about the other times. Agent Orange,Your a nut job.

      • Al Sieber

        eddie47d, I agree with you 100%.

    • Al Sieber

      DaveH, thanks, I couldn’t of said this better.

  • Barny

    It sounds like the author of this article is is more insane than the Iranian leader.

    • alpha-lemming

      Fife, Rubble, Fwank, Gumble, or the gay dinosaur (the purple one….. not Fwank)??

  • http://gmail i41

    I see the wimpy pusified airy fairys put their Blarney Frank dolls down and are theorizing again. The only thing these pedophile muslim goat humpers understand is a damn hard beating. We see hoqw this marxist muslim moron talking and tea get togethers worked out. Just gave the smucks 2 years to create more problems all over. Of course all muslim are pathological compulsive liars, just look at the marxist muslim we have a “Prez”. Theorizize don’t accomplish s–t but prolongs the mess. Any time someone is messing with you and you square off, you will get a few lumps, but in this case, some men and planes will no doubt get flamed, but diaper headed idoits can go straight to hell in a glass holy shirt, no smell just sanatized. Go Israel, derfinitely don’t tell the socialist leaky Leahy democrats or the puke in the WH. Other wise he will be on his prayer rug with his goat hided string phone to the Iman. Make glass and fry their a–es, Israel!

    • 45caliber

      I agree with you. Every time they get pounded, they try to sit back, have a bunch more kids, and teach them to attack a hundred years later in revenge. And if they fail again, they do the same thing again.

  • Lloyd Revalee

    I didn’t read this piece for the simple reason that the very first paragraph made me madder than hell. When that idion writer compared radical islamist to senior citizens, he showed his utter disdain for the elders in this country. I suppose he thinks it will all change when he gets old, and the older people will be someone to be proud of, and deserve the respect of the young folks.

    • 45caliber

      I think you mis-read his first paragraph.

      He wasn’t likening the Iranian terrorists to the elderly here. He was saying that they are crazier than our most crazy people.

  • Artie

    I cannot believe the comments that i am reading! Have you all lost your minds? Fact: The IAEA has been monitoring Iran for years and are now on the ground in Iran. Their report states that Iran only has the capacity to power nuclear power plants. They do NOT have highly enriched uranium! The second point, Iran is not OUR PROBLEM!! Iran poses NO THREAT to the United States! Next point, the U.S. government gets their marching order from the Zionist’s who seek to rule the world! That would be Israel! This, nonexistent problem is Israel’s business, not America’s! Who are any of you to declare that we should bomb Iran? I guess you are the same people who thought that Iraq had WMD. Bomb’s away!!! That simple? You guys have been lied to and propagandized for so long, you don’t even realize what you are promoting! Which country holds the largest amount of nuclear weapons? The U.S.! Which middle eastern country “unofficially” has nukes? Israel, also a nation that has not signed the nonproliferation treaty! Haven’t you had enough killing yet? We’ve brought freedom to Iraq?? Really? What we gave to Iraq is instability and a power vacuum! The U.S. invaded Iraq, based on proven lies!! Bush is on record as saying that he would have attacked Iraq, even if he knew that they had no WMD! Are you all blind to the fact that, one by one, our military, our kid’s, are eliminating all of Israel’s enemies, while Israel smuggly sit’s on their collective butts and let us take the casualties! This country was founded on the premise of small government, a small standing army, solely for the protection of America, not as the world police. Actually, the fouonding father’s expressly forbid the U.S. to sign any treaties! You guys are just drinking the cool aid and will cheer them all on!! More blood, more death!! They fooled us all about the WMD lies about Iraq. Now, they are going to likely, attack Iran, based on lies and propaganda!! You guys want to see the blood flow, fine, join the military and shed YOUR BLOOD! Or send your own kid’s over there to die! Are you willing to sacrifice your lives, or the lives of your kid’s, based on lies and propaganda? This country is hopeless!! As long as you sheeple behave and trust the government with everything you got, they will never be held accountable for their illegal actions!!

    • 45caliber

      Artie:
      My offer of the bridge goes to you too. And it’s cheap!

      • Maranatha! Mark

        I have a couple of tickets to Lolly-Pop Land on a ship made of Ice cream and cake, I’ll throw in as well to the first one of them that buys that bridge! LOL! Some fo these folks… really shouldn’t be allowed out without a helmet lined with aluminum foil, on!

      • Bob

        45 Caliber You are shooting blanks.

      • 45caliber

        May be … but people like you still tend to jump.

    • Christin

      Artie, I was for taking the fight to the Middle East after 9-11, so their would not be atrocities from them like we experienced in NY. But now I think we have been there long enough and I wasn’t for the Afgan war. The muslims, arabs, persians, and the Jews will fight until the end of times… I want our Military home securing our borders and protecting us from the destroyers from within. Would our vets stand with us?

    • Stevo

      Shut up Commie.

      • James

        Stevo, You have it backwards. It’s the federal government that’s communistic, not the people. Communism is where the government controls everything, which is where we are headed. The People are opposing that government control.

    • Granny Mae

      Artie,

      Get a new thinking cap. The old one shrunk !

    • Granny Mae

      Artie,

      This country is hopless huh? Well why don’t you give us all some hope and get the H–L out of Dodge ?

  • James

    Iran is no threat to the United States. They have no nuclear weapons that could reach us, anymore than did Iraq. It was the presence of WMDs there that triggered Congress to pass the Resolutions which authorized the Iraq invasion. When the assumed Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction, and the supposed involvement of Iraq in the 9-11 attack, was exposed as a fraud, The U.S. should have apologized to Iraq for the mistake and brought our troops home.
    The situation in Iran is no different. Refining Uranium for power plants is a long way from having WMDs. If Iran does the further refining necessary for nuclear weapons, there will be ample time to address that issue. The assumption that Iran will do that is hysteria to its extreme, by warmongers who want the U.S. to financially implode, which another mideast war would certainly accomplish.

    • James

      The “James” comment just above mine, of 11:01 AM, is not mint.

      • Christin

        Best to add another letter or number to your name for distinction.

    • 45caliber

      James:
      I can tell you are a real trusting soul. I have this bridge for sale at a real cheap price. Are you interested?

      • James

        45C, only if it’s the Brooklyn Bridge. Should we attack any nation that we feel might make nuclear weapons? Should we have attacked North Korea, we have troops there? How about France, they could make nuclear weapons easily? I’ve read where Israel has over 200 nuclear weapons, should Iran wait until Israel nukes ‘em before they make one? Does Iran have the right to defend itself against hostile neighbors?

  • http://jenersea@comcast.net James

    See where all this is headed, just as the Bible predicts. If Israel does bomb Iran. I believe that Iran in turn will mine the straits of Hermuz, so that no tankers get through and also will hit all the oil fields they can reach. This will send oil prices skyrocketing, which in turn will send world opinion totally against Israel, all this of course is in the Bible where it says the whole world will be against Israel. Will this be the action that would cause that to happen, probably. No easy answers to any of this. Action should have been taken long ago. Not it is in the critical stages. Pray that God will guide us and protect us. I know we can not turn our backs on Israel.

    • James

      Where does the Bible say “the whole world will be against Israel?”

      • Maranatha! Mark

        Zechariah 12:3, I believe it correct.

      • Davnkatz

        Correct. the exact wording is: ” On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her ..”

      • Davnkatz

        Correct! the exact wording is: “On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her …”

  • Charley41

    Bring the soldiers home, put them on our borders. Stop sending our money to our enemies.

    • Christin

      I second that motion Charley41!!

      Bring our troups home and send congress (with a few exceptions) and all WH staff and leaders (yes even the top) abroad to Iran, Iraq and Afgan. Bet pelosi, waters, lee-jackson, j.napalitano, … would look great in a full veil… course, they would probably get stoned… oh, well.

      • Agent Orange

        They’re all ALREADY stoned on pot, LOL.

  • marvin

    just a little of subject on cpain one of the moron that work for odumbo said it is not illegal to be in the usa undocumented and when a caller called him on it he said it is illegal but not criminal,du to trespass on land that is not yours is criminal,wonder were this moron got his education the school of stuped, i will say if israel were to take out irans nukes,obama will be first in line to condemn israel

    • 45caliber

      Of course Oblama will be first in line to condemn Israel. He’s already announced that he will issue orders to American jets to stop any Israeli jets trying to get to Iran. He wants the Muslims to cheer him. He’s going for the majority.

      • Bob

        Wrong 45 The Jews control Obama.

      • 45caliber

        I seriously doubt that.

        You must live in the NE. That seems to be the place where most people fear the Jews.

      • Bob

        I’m not afraid of Jews. Some of them are bad just like other groups.

      • 45caliber

        Bob:
        You fear them or you would know the ones that are causing the problems – if they really are. And if you knew them, you’d do something about them. I’ve heard those rumours from the NE for most of my life. As I said elsewhere, no one here in the South really pays any attention. All the Jews we know are good people.

    • http://eddie47d Ed Laurson

      Illegal Immigration is a civil offense

  • http://www.purple50.org Gregory Zorn

    Iran is a nation that has not attacked anyone in 200 years (Iraq attacked Iran) so “Iranian Aggression” is nonsence. Isreal (and the
    U.S.) on the other hand have, preemptave strikes, Bush Doctrin. Sadom was the boogy man for years now its Iran, I do not fear these people. Plus, we are broke, out of money thanks to the Bush Cheney debockles in the Middle East with Obama following in the folly.

    • Bob

      Remember when Bush said the Iraqi oil would pay for the war. Well the oil has been piped into Israel and they are selling it to the Chinese and making a fortune off American’s blood.

      • 45caliber

        Actually, the oil in Iraq goes primarily to Russia and France with Germany a close third.

      • Bob

        Russia has more than enough of it’s own oil. Who told you that?

      • Lubo

        Bob….. The same reason we buy OIL from the MIDEAST….save yours…buy theirs….it’s simple. We are sitting on one of the largest OIL reserves in the WORLD!!! So is RUSSIA!

      • Craig

        As do we. Better to use up other peoples oil and save yours. The Ruskies and ourselves is smart people.

      • 45caliber

        They have a lot of oil – and even sell it. But before we took Iraq, it was still going to Russia. After we took Iraq, it was decided by our government to not interfere with the oil contracts because that might make it seem that we really did take Iraq for the oil. So – we get nothing. At that time Russia didn’t have as much oil as they do now. But they still take it as far as I know.

      • Bob

        Why do you think we are leaving 50,000 troops plus contractors in Iraq? To protect the oil.

    • Al Sieber

      Gregory, I agree with you but, we need a war to take our minds off the real problem; the economy, kind of “wag the dog”. history repeats itself over and over, but very few see it.

  • Cameron

    Everybody thinks that OIL is the most precious item in the world. Every advanced civilization today needs it to run everything: electricity, vehicles, the military, etc. Take away all the oil & man will adapt & find another means of powering his machines. If we let every oil -rich nation keep their precious black gold but deny them fresh drinking water then the true value of both liquids will become apparent. Let the camel-jockeys keep their deserts & oil. Draw a line around their borders & do not let them cross. The world will function so much better w/o them.

  • http://StanleyEngineering&StormsafeHousing Newman E. Stanley P E

    Why does an oil rich country like Iran need Nuclear Power? Why does it seem to be their number one priority? I was one of the engineers to help design and construct a plant during the last days of the Sha in Iran that provides them with the capability to manufacture some of the most advanced plastic explosives. I never read about this in the news yet I see evidence of its usage in Iraq and Afganistan against our own military personell. Certainly our military intellegence knows of this. Why is it not removed by cruise missles.

    The same thing will happen with their nuclear technology. Once they have the mass required to produce a nuclear explosion no matter how dirty it may be, it will be used. Probably first in the U S. With our borders as open as they are it will be easy to bring it in. Once they have the technology for a gamma ray device to be detonated at the right altitude it will wipe out all our countries solid state electrinics. Think of the things that now operate on solid state electronics, almost everything.

    • 45caliber

      I disagree about one thing: the moment they have their first nuke, they will use it on Israel to ‘prove’ they can attack it and to gather all the Muslims in the world behind them. We will get the second one.

      • JRC

        They do not need nukes to destroy Israel, they can do that today if they want to. If they work on a nuke, it is for one and only one reason, to destroy the US.

      • JCIG

        JRC … you seem to be a friend of our enimies, an enemy of our GOD and our country and as ignorant of truth as our misguided leaders. You have no fear of the LORD … and that makes you dead … only your body is living but not your spirit your soul being destroyed by the lies that you have bought into. I pity you and am so sorry that you will cease to be while myself and my brothers and sisters in the LORD will continue on even after our bodies die. I will pray for you though I don’t see that helping you because you WILLFULLY ignore the prompting that you know you have received from GOD’S HOLY SPIRIT to the point of seperation from the giver of life from the ONE who holds all things together even time and space.

      • 45caliber

        JRC:
        You remind me of most liberals I’ve met, particularly in the service. They were terrified of being killed and would rather live as a slave than risk it. I believe that is one reason so many liberals in politics believe they can control everyone in this country with threats. They care convinced that if they can make Americans believe they can kill them, that the Americans will immediately surrender.

      • Bob

        45 You have a wild imagination.

      • 45caliber

        Maybe. But I’m usually right, too.

      • Bob

        I think you’re left

      • 45caliber

        Bob:
        No you are the left. That’s one reason I’m right.

  • s c

    Judging from some of the mean-spirited, hateful remarks above, it’s apparent that the rally in DC the other day really spooked Herr Obummer’s jock strap supporters.
    I get the impression that America’s fuhrer is on another recruitment drive, looking for those who come to the table with oatmeal between their ears.
    Some could not have graduated from high school or grade school, and still they demand to be seen as adults.
    Come back (with a note from your Mommy) when you can speak English and communicate at a 9th grade level, you miserable progressives, ‘Dems,’ libs and assorted braindead losers.

  • Conservative at Birth

    There undoubtedly will be antother world war. Are you prepared?

    • 45caliber

      I’m even prepared for WWIV. I’ve got swords and the training to use them.

      • David

        That won’t stop a 45 caliber…..have you seen Indiana Jones? Keep your powder dry….or get some.

      • 45caliber

        Dave: I’ve got those too. But they are for WWIII, not IV.

  • http://outlookexpress louvnjr

    I’m with you my friend, we, I mean our wonderful land of politicians, do gooders, and money mongers that think like their GOD’S sitting on a throne. It’s more like the 3 monkeys, see no evil, speak no evil, and of course hear no evil. Come on we,- I mean our Country Is in the deepest trouble, more than world wars, YES!! For at least we new who the enemy were. WE do know now, but are afraid to take a STRONG and FIRM stance! Our fearless leader and his cronies believe all is well, and we will WIN!! It’s like a game playing with our young soldiers. While he is setting all of us on a death march. Sorry, I’m a vet, and I’ve seen my kind get spit at when coming home from Nam, both legs blown off begging for food!! That’s a disgrace. . I’m HURT, to see our most Intelligent people siding with GUESS what, the enemy. I Pledge of Allegiance, I believe in GOD, I’m a Christian, And I believe in, In God We Trust. Plus our land has more Christians than not. Sorry Obama, we are NOT Muslims.

  • Robert Young

    Nuke their nuclear facilities and also their oil fields. Leave them nothing to sell and their foreign Nation friends nothing to defend or want to go to war over. Go Israel!

  • Theverns

    Great article, lots of humor detailing a very sobering subject. I agree with FreedomFighter, AhmaNutJob WANTS to meet God while destroying the great Satans of the West. And frankly, he would have still pursued nuclear power/BOMBS whether Saddam was in power or not and it is TIME to STOP deliberating the Iraq war, its a done deal, no going back, so let’s deal with the NOW. Israel is our last, best hope….our current administration is CLUELESS…..and China & Russia THINK they have a “friend” who will keep shipping oil, little do they realize just HOW crazy this regime truly is, the medium ranged missiles are meant to damn up the straits of Hormuz and stop the WORLD’S oil supply, causing ALL to BOW DOWN TO THE POWER THAT IS IRAN!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      But about the time they try that, they will be leveled.

  • Kyle

    Those of you that say the U.S.A is not mentioned in Bible Prophesy obviously have not read Genesis 12:3; America Has spent time on both sides of the Promise. It is no coincidence that our ups and downs mirror our treatment and support of Israel. If we want to turn the tide, on the present economic situation, we need to reexamine our Middle East policy. Will We? Revelations, Daniel and Ezekiel say we won’t. Where does that leave us? Place your Trust in God; there is obviously no one left in Washington to trust. Matthew 6:19 Build up your riches in Haven; you may need them sooner than you think.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And our so called upper echelon of society, the political leaders and the lawyers and judges and such, are busy building up their treasures on earth, which we are told not to do. But money is their god, and these lepers are truly poor people, they just dont know it yet. But oh they will. You can bet they will.

      • http://outlookexpress louvnjr

        Truer words were never spoken, I admire you for your great Input. I tip my hat to you, Mr. Beberoni. All the politicians, all the Lawyers, All the people that we trusted are now more involved in lining their pockets,forgetting their solemnly oath that they took. And when their pockets get filled the make them DEEPER to hold more! MONEY,GREED,and POWER, Is our destruction.

      • Christin

        The Elite Ruling Class (including politicians & Lawyers) who steals from the people and enslave them are nothing more than “Modern Day Sadduces and Pharisees”. They profess God, but He will surely say, “I knew you not.” Their work is for evil and their selfish motives reveal the depth of their cold, dark hearts.

    • marvin

      Kyle,thing about the bible is there an,t no stories in it, they are all bible truths,but most people think that god won,t do what his word has said,he told us what was, what is, and what will be,god gave us a blue print on how to live and what to do,but we do not follow his blue print [bible]god gave man dominion of the earth and all that abide on it,how long did tha last,just long enuf for satan to say god is a liar if you eat that fruit you will be a god like him,so satan is now ruler of the earth, but god is still in control

      • 45caliber

        But (as the gays say) Jesus loves us! He would never allow God to destroy us! And He will take all of us to heaven regardless of what we do (or don’t do) here on earth!

        I think I’ll believe more of the Old Testament about what God may or may not do.

    • JRC

      It really is an embarrassment to see how many adults in the 21st century still believe a book of fiction written by men to control the superstitious masses.

      • Davnkatz

        JRC
        what is TRULY embarrassing is people like you who have been brain-washed bu anti-Christian theology and then try to feel good about it by attempting to argue with those of us who believe in God and strive to live as Christ-like as we humanly can. You are not going to convert any of us to your way of thinking – so quit trying. Your snide remarks only make you look dumb abd pathetic.

        Keep this in mind! Your non-belief will either be confirmed the instant you die, or you will face an eternity of damnation and punishment.

        Personally, I would rather be wrong and everrything end the instant I die than to be like you and learn at my death that I was wrong and face eternity in the punishment pit.

      • 45caliber

        I agree with you. But I really believe that he, like most atheists, are trying to convert everyone they can to their religion in the hope that God will decide Earth isn’t worth it and leave. Then they won’t have to worry about their life after death because everyone will be in the same fix. Really good of them, isn’t it.

    • Wlmitch1

      America was never mentioned SPECIFICALLY in the Bible, but is not excluded either. You are correct about those who stand with Israel and those who do not.

      Genesis 12:1-3 states,

      1 The LORD said to Abram:

      “Leave your country, your kinfolk, and your father’s house,
      for the land which I will show you;
      2 I will make a great nation of you.
      I will bless you and make your name great,
      so that you shall be a blessing.
      3 I will bless them that bless you,
      and curse them that curse you.
      In you shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.”

      You saw what happened to Hitler after he murdered six million Jews.
      The same will happen to Ahmadinejad if he tries to destroy Israel.

  • Wlmitch1

    Let Isreal take care of business. Another Nazi-style genocide against the Jews is the very LAST thing the world needs! If we FAIL to stand with Israel, the wrath of God will be upon us!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I agree. The minute we remove our hand from them, God will remove His hand from us. I would imagine He isnt too happy with us now, being that our very government kicks Him out of school and out of work and out of government. We glorify perversion by putting gays on a pedestal and insisting its normal, which it is not. We fund murdering babies in their mothers wombs, which brings a tear to His eye. And our officials god is the allmighty dollar. So I know God is already displeased with us. When we pull out on Israel, thats it, were toast. No doubt about it.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Berberoni,
        As long as we keep him in our hearts, we are, I believe, safe!!!! That is what my Bible tells me and I believe it whole heartedly!!

      • Carole Howell

        I fail to see how Israel with their policies are making God very happy at the moment. Many Jewish people here and around the world and in Israel it’s self are against Zionism.

    • Matt

      WLmithc1 and Bob, I respect your comments, but see them as misguided.
      Read Jeremiah, Malachi and the prophets. God (to all should always be capitalized) pronounced many punishments and damnations to Israel. He used other nations to punish them when they turned away from Him to idols and self exhalation. To the point, the seed of David was chosen merely to bring Christ into the world. The Church is the Kingdom (the New Jerusalem) that was to be established. The final kingdom that God was to establish through Christ was not an earthly kingdom, but a spiritual kingdom. God is no respecter of persons, but commands all men to be saved. PLEASE READ: Galatians Chapter 3 verses 23-29. I say this to point out that God’s concern from the beginning was pointing to Christ and his kingdom everything in between was just a vehicle. Why would God be interested in going back to an earthly kingdom in Israel? The current idolatry is greed $$ and Zionism for which all who practice will be punished as it is written.

      • Maranatha! Mark

        Matt, “God” isn’t His name, it is what He is. YHWH is His name.

      • Matt

        Daah!! Every reference to Him even pronouns should be capitalized. You don’t need to know Hebrew to get that just knowledge of proper capitalization.

      • Maranatha! Mark

        Matt, you are also wrong about YHWH being done with Y’israel and the Church replacing them. If you subscribe to ‘Replacement theology’ errors, then you have nothing to stand on in your faith. The Abrahamic, Palestinian,Davidic and New Covenants are unconditional covenants, and were promises made to Y’israel, not the Church. According to Romans 11: 17-24 we were ‘grafted in’ not the tree chopped down and a new one planted. When YHWH told Abraham, I will curse those who curse you and bless those who bless you, He put not conditions on it. So while it is true Y’israel is current divorced from YHWH, before the book of Jeremiah was finished the Father was already preparing to reconcile with them. It will be a remnant of Y’israel that calls Yeshua back… according to scripture, or are you saying the Old Testament was a mistke on YHWH’s part and Yeshua lied? You can cherry pick scriptures to back almost any stance you want to take, but when you use the full counsel of the Bible, then things like the replacement theology, simply don’t hold up to the light of Truth!

        Blessings and Shalom,

        Maranatha! Mark
        P.S. No, I am not a Jew, I am a Messianite.

      • Matt

        Maranatha, Maranatha. Certainly grafted in; the point was that the Jew was not excluded from the church, but a vital component. This has nothing to do with LAND or the LOCATION of it. The promise to Abraham was that through his seed all nations would be blessed (i.e. Christ). Also read Galatians 3:14-19. Who is cherry picking scriptures? The big picture is that it was all to be spiritual not earthly. Man was made in the image if God (i.e. man has a spirit) not that God two arms and legs. Christ came first to the Jew, but was rejected as prophesied and then to the Greek (included in area of your reference passage). God kicked Israel in and out of the land many times, so did he break a promise each time they were booted out? No, they broke the covenant. Again do you understand what you are reading? Did you read the passage in Galatians?

        God Bless

    • JRC

      God is nothing but a figment of your superstitious mind, he was invented to control the simple minded masses.
      There will be NO wrath of God, those are nothing but fairy tales

      • Wlmitch1

        If you choose to NOT believe in God, that is your right. If you want to risk facing God’s Judgement in the hereafter for mocking Him, that is also your right. But do not berate those of us who believe. We have a right to express our faith, and will defend that right. The statistics do bear out, however, that the incremental losses of our Liberty and a massive increase in crime, and other deviant conduct, directly coincided with the expulsion of God from public life in America. That is not surprising to those of us who believe.

      • Matt

        AMEN!!!

      • Granny Mae

        JRC.

        You have missed the whole concept of GOD. You think that our minds needed to be controled so we invented GOD. Wrong. To the God fearing pearson, God does not control anything. He holds no control over us that is why you are free to believe or not believe. God created us to love and worship him, but if he held control over us that would mean that we would be made to love and worship him. That would not be satisfying to GOD. He wants to be loved by us freely and of our own accord, otherwise our love is meaningless. If you have a wife, do you want her to love you because you say she has too or would you rather she love you because she wanted to? Makes a big difference doesn’t it? When you love God it is because he gave you his love first. He gave you everything including your life ! He gave you free will to choose to love him to choose to do right in your life. God chose to make it possible for you to be forgiven even if you choose to do wrong, you see His intention for us is to one day be with him for all eturnity in heaven, which is another demention so to speak. In order to get there and be with God forever we must live our life in accord with the rules that God set down for us! We call those the ten commandments. It is a set of rules to live by. When we get into reading the bible the scriptures go into detail more about those comandments and explains them better. We make a conscous effort to live by this set of rules . However right from the beginning man was weak and went against what God had told him so we say he sinned. Adam and Eve were banished from the garden of eden where their life would have been a life of ease and they would have lived forever, but because they disobeyed God now they would have to toil hard just to live and get by. Once sin came upon us it came over and over again. Cain became jelouse of Able and killed him so God then banished Cain from the rest of the family and sent him out on his own. From this time on God still loved us but he knew we would have to be forgiven for all our sins before we could go to heaven. That is when he decided to one day send his only son that who so ever believith in him should not perrish but have everlasting life. I think that God knew that we would have to learn a lot of things and come to understand a lot of things before we could understand his salvation for us. He walked with us for a long time and during that time he taught us a lot of things and we did begin to learn and eccept his teachings, however we floundered for a long time and still didn’t get it quite right. We seem to keep going off the beaten path in other directions. God decided to send His Son the savior, but he had to come through a special line of decendants. It was to be through the line of David. Mary was chosen to be the vessel for the carrying of the savior. She was a pure and inocent girl and because of that she could be the mother of the Son of God. Through this woman and the step father of Joseph a rightous man, God entrusted his Son to their care. Can you imagine being given the care of the life and welfare of the Son of God? They did a marvelous job and Jesus grew to a man. At about 30 years of age he began his public life and the work of the Father of teaching mankind how it was that he was to get to heaven. This man Jesus posessed the most wonderful powers that everyone was amazed at the wonder of Him. There is no place in the bible that I know of where anyone living at that time that knew Him or of Him did they ever say his powers were fake. On the contrary, they came to him from everywhere. There was a time they even tore up the roof of His house so as to be able to lower a crippled man asking Jesus to heal him and Jesus did and the man walked out of the house of his own accord ! Now if these things were only found in the bible I might say perhaps you could be right but they are not. These accounts are recorded by many different people in many different places so they are not just fairy tales. Jesus taught everyone for about 3 years and then the chief priests and scribes set out to seize him and to kill him. He was captured in a place called Gethsemane where He had gone to pray. He was taken before the chief priests and scribes and they were questioning Him to find some complaint that they could take before Pilate to have Him killed. To make a long story short they could find no fault in Him and still the scribes and priest insisted that He be killed They had Him beaten. They spit on Him and hit Him with their fists slapped His face and has Him beaten with a whip. Finally they crowned Him with thorns and hung Him on a cross. Jesus died at about 3 in the aftrenoon. He was taken off the cross and placed in a toumb of a man named Joseph of Arimathea. Jesus job was almost done. His death was to take our place for sin so that we might have forgivness and everlasting life. He was our atonement. During his time in the toumb Jesus went to the Gates of the nether world and set free all those that died befor his sacrifice. Their sins too were forgiven. After the passover the women went to the toumb to finish dressing the body for burial and they found the toumb empty! He had risen and all that was there was the cloths that his body had been wrapped in. The empty toumb caused quite a problem because it had been guarded by soldiers so that no one would try to steal the body at night and yet the body was gone. The deciples were devastated because they thought the soldiers took him and they wanted to know where they had put him. Well it turns out Jesus had risen from the dead and for the next 40 days was seen all over the place with his deciples and such. He even had meals with them. Then he assended into heaven. There is no way that you can tell me that 12 men would go out after this mans death and travel all over to preach eternal salvation through the acceptance of Jesus Christ as savior and go through what they went through just to give their lives for nothing. They may have gone out for six months or so, maybe some for even a year but the twelve of them to go for the rest of their lives to spread the word if it wasn’t all true. What man would give his life for a lie? Would you? Not me ! I have experienced apersonal relationship with the Lord and come to know his comfort when no other could comfort me. I have experienced personal miracles. Happenings that defy explination. To tell you the truth, at first it was scarry because I couldn’t understand it. I suffered with heart problems for over 40 years. I took medication for years and had a heart attack at work one night. Finally while in the doctors office I had a masive heart attack and was sent for a heart catherization. I had a lot of people praying for me and it worked. After all those years and all that medication my heart was healed ! The heart cath showed that there was no blockage of any kind and no sign that I had ever had a heart attack ! Anyone that has had heart problems knows what that pain is like and if you have ever had a heart attack you will never forget it ! I have no pain today. None. JRC. There is a God and he is there for you just like he was there for me. All you have to do is accept him into your heart and make him the center of your life, You got nothing to loose my friend, so go ahead and try it. You will like it !

      • Matt

        Psalm 14:1 The fool has said in his heart “there is no God”.

      • vicki

        What still puzzles me about those who claim there is no God is how they can look around at all that God has created and not see. The intricate beauty of every law of physics that we discover. The complex interactions that show up in the multitude of life here on this planet (and probably elsewhere in the Cosmos). The delicate yet substantial balance of all the interactions. And yet they do not see the hand of God and deny His existence.

        All this and only 3 dimensions. Just imagine what God has wrought in those other dimensions.

      • Granny Mae

        Vicki,

        I have wondered the same thing at times.

      • Davnkatz

        JRC
        If we Christians are wrong and you are right, you will have no worries ’cause everything ends when you die. We Christians will have lost nothing except certain temporary pleasures.

        If we Chriastians are RIGHT and you are WRONG, we will enter into the presence of GOD – thanks to Jesus – when we die, but YOU will have eternity to regret your decision and your life..

      • David

        Amen!

      • vicki

        Pascal’s wager.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JRC,
        The Lord is all about choices. He gives you the choice to believe or not. He would that you believe but, again, it is up to you. As for Me and Mine, We CHOOSE TO BELIEVE!!!

      • Granny Mae

        Amen Amen !

      • Viktor Leben

        JRC ,

        Thank You ! You can be our “Token Atheist” ! Y’know, the funny dude we all hang around who makes totally ignorant comments about theology ! HA ha !

  • David

    Iran is easy. Take out a midget, a few clerics, and the nuclear power plants (via Israel) and let the civilians take over. Drop leaflets from 30k feet on all major cities to play nice and share their oil.

    Case closed, one more domino removed from the chain.

    • Bob

      I hope all the level-headed readers on this sight don’t fall for the Ziuonist propaganda that they fell for to destroy Iraq. Ben Crystal is just another Zionist warmonger who wants to shed American blood for Israel.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        No one destroyed Iraq. Are you blind? People there are now free. Women and children can freely go to school and walk the streets. Is this a bad thing to you? People who want government change no longer have to worried about being tied up and sprayed down with water and have electrical wires zapping them as punishment. People arent having their heads cut off because Uday Hussein feels like getting his kicks for the day. Iraq is much better off than it was before, and it’s getting better everyday. Problem is, we are leaving too soon, before its stable, and it probably will crumble, but isnt that what the democrats in power want? Sure it is. That way they can make sure it fails and they can continue to point the finger at Bush and Cheney and say “look what they did”, when in fact, its their incompetance in following through that is going to make things fall apart, and that is sadly, exactly what they want. And there isnt a doubt about it.

      • Patricia Smith

        Beberoni: Better Off because of US? We should never have gone into Iraq. There was no REAL reason for it. The Bush Administration made this decision based on lies they made up and sold to Americans and Europe. Always follow the money Beberoni, who got most of it? Just recentely we found out that OUR government wasted or LOST over 5 billion. What about the lives of Americans, almost 5 thousand, and over 32 thousand seriously wounded, and you suggest we stay longer. INSANE.! We cannot force our type of Democray on to others, hell, those idiots in Washington can’t even follow our own Constitution or Bill or Rights, and we’re so arrogrant as to assume these sand countries want it. They will continue to kill each other as they have been since Biblical time, and I just want our boys and girls out of the line of fire, and keeping our tax dollars here in America is a pretty good idea also

      • Lubo

        Patricia Smith…..Maybe you would rather fight the enemy on your street corner within your “Security Blanket”. Maybe you need to go back and check the voting records of the congress on this issue. You think Bush can go to WAR without the consent of the congress as well as the consent of the American people? I find it interesting that those who oppose now are on record supporting the former President…then. I wonder what has changed??? You think it may be “Political”??

        Again, check you records and come back and tell me that a VAST majority of both the congress and the American people did not support this war in Iraq.

        Now, the only thing I disagree with concerning the war in Iraq is that we should have commited the necessary forces, in the very beginning, to wrap this thing up quickly thus saving many many lives in our military. As far as our continued presence in Iraq, we have done our job and removed a MURDEROUS dictator with the BLOOD of millions of innocent lives on his hands. Now it is time for the Iraqi people to decide who will be their next dictator or do they choose freedom? The choice is theirs and hopefully we will not need to go back in a few years to take out the next idiot who has bad intentions against the USA.

        We often forget the tragic events of 9/11, but I can assure you, in the near future, we all are going to be reminded of just who this ENEMY is and what they are willing to do, to DESTROY us. We can either wake up and act like BRAVE AMERICANS or stick our heads in the sand while Barack Obama flies aroung the world giving his apology for America tour. BOY THAT WILL FIX IT! I’m sure they FEAR US now! I BET YOU MONEY that Iran will stop it’s quest for obtaining nuclear weapons!

        I think all of us at this point are WAR WEARY with both wars, however, losing sight of the truth sometimes makes us make bad decisions, like electing Barack Obama, which has resulted in a country divided down the seams and a world which has become MUCH more dangerous due to our projected weakness. I don’t think the “Just can’t we all get along” mantra will work with a bunch of radical islamists.

        What do you think?

      • Davnkatz

        Poor Patricia Smith! You are spewing the typical, worn out, libterd cr-p. Either you are too young to remember, too stupid to care, or too ignorant and dismissive of libs own proclamations. Every major & minor lib (incl Hillary and the Clinton admin., other countries, even the UN declared & emphasized Hussein had weapons of mass destruction WMD). 9-11 caused “W” to declare war on terror, AND, With the exception of 3-4 libterds, they ALL voted for “W” to invade Iraq. Congress also approved taken Sodamn Insane “out”. The libterds started to oppose “W” ONLY when no WMD were found and “W” started country-building instead of vidorously pursuing terror orgaanizations in other eastern countries – plus they had to attempt to recoup their libterd polocies.

        ALL of this can be confirmed by doing a search on the web (even YouTube).

        So, Patricia, instead of being a dumb parrot, do a little research and find out for yourself.

      • Lubo

        T Davnkatz….Well said and if GWB had continued to press forward with the WAR against ALL terrorist fronts, with the total might of our military, then it would be OVER…period. Nation building should not be part of WAR…leave that for the diplomats, after you have WON a decisive victory by totally crushing the enemy.

        The military should be for ONE purpose and ONE purpose alone, Kill people and break things, nothing more and nothing less. Anything else will be nothing more than returning our nation to the 60′s(Vietnam) and we all know how well that worked out! You end up with 58,000 brave men dead, for NOTHING!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Lubo,
        I love how all the politicians are now talking about how well the surge worked and how they were all for it and then FOX plays recordings from the time before the surge and it was being considered!!! I had such a good laugh today!!!! now they are seeing the “little” surge is working in Afghanistan and are talking about a larger one and how we might be in Iraq for another decade or more!!!

      • Granny Mae

        Lubo, You said it right. War is just that , WAR ! It is intended to go in kill and destroy, not shoot a little here and get killed a little there and then try to make nice ! There is no nice in the whole concept of war ! If we go to war then lets got to war and destroy everything and get the H–L out and forget about rebuilding anything ! The more time these war torn countries spend rebuilding their country back up the less time they will have to think about making war and war threats on someone else ! They won’t have time to think of terrorism ! If they start messing with us here then we take care of it here and we don’t do it nice either ! I’m sick of people that would rather live under opression rather than make war and stand up for freedom. If that is the way they want to live then there is the door and don’t let it hit you on the way out ! Go some place else !

      • spike

        It’s a shame you don’t see the historical truth, but I think you are way off base. I will repeat myself here. Ollie North knew who Osama was long before 9/ll. Al Gore knew who he was, too. Trouble was, nobody had the balls to finish what was started when we had to go help
        “handle” the Kuwait situation….pardon, madame, were we WRONG there? Trouble was, we didn’t finish the job. And because we didn’t finish the job, we ‘bought time” and nothing more. Then we needed an exucse
        to go back there. I’ll repeat: on 9/l2, should GW have said”my fellow Americans…I have decided we’ll just forgive and forget” ???

      • 45caliber

        Beberoni”

        You are correct. The libs can’t stand that.

      • Maranatha! Mark

        Patrica Smith, had we not gone into Iraq when we did (which was 7 months later than we should have), Saddam would have eventually brought the fight here to our soil in the form of nuclear warheads raining down on American cities, or had we have waited a couple of years longer, then we would see Americans dying and wounded in numbers akin to World War II. Most Americans are ignorant of our history, and don’t understand that during D-Day, several thousand young Americans lost their lives on the 1st day. The weapons that are fielded today are far more lethal than those of the 1940′s. Saddam, like Iran’s little nut job, was promising to destroy this country and working like mad to gain the weapons to do so, while murdering thousands of his own people. If you have some idiot who says he is going to kill you and you see him start building a gun to do so, do you wait for him to finish building the gun and take the first shot, or do you take him out before he has a chance to harm you? The reason we are floundering in Iraq and Afghanistan, is we are letting politicians in Washington and the U.N. dictate the way the war is fought. We should have told the generals to go in and win the war by whatever means necessary, and we would have been out of both campaigns by now. Instead, our politicians wring their hands about world opinion and other such non-sense. War is horrible and should never be fought to where folks can accept it. It should be fought all out or not at all. If we had used the same techniques that we used on Germany and Japan, there would be no terrorist now, as we would have either killed them all or the non-combatants would have given them up, to stop the onslaught of the American military machine. You have to convence the enemy that war with you is so costly in human lives that they don’t dare even think about going to war with you. Had we had done this with Iraq in the first Gulf War, there wouldn’t have been a 2nd Iraq War! If you level villages and towns that allow terrorist to setup camp, then no village or town will allow them in! I know to many weak-kneed folks reading this will think I am blood thirty, but I am not. War is always a last restort, but it must never become so accomodating that it become ho-hum or acceptable in the public eye. And an enemy must know that when they start a war with the U.S., they will utterly and completely destroyed, so that they never entertain such insane thought, and when we are forced into a war, we don’t need to go in afterwards and rebuild what we have destroyed… they brought the war on themselves, they should have to deal with the aftermath!

        Blessing to all!

        Maranatha! Mark

      • eddie47d

        Maranatha(our Lord come); “They brought the war on themselves” I would say you are poking and prodding for a few war games yourself. Iraq never had nuclear capabilities either. It was all show (on paper) and no blow. Our intelligence was very unintelligent.

      • 45caliber

        Maranatha:
        The problem is that the liberals never believe what a man says. They ALWAYS assume that he is only joking – until he pulls the trigger. By then it is too late.

        Actually, as a professor told my class many years ago, too many Americans put themselves in the place of those in other countries. They ask themselves, “Would I do this if I was in his place? No! Therefore he won’t.”

        The professor stated that was the biggest failing that Americans had when dealing with other countries – and was the biggest mistake our politicians continued to make.

        Before you can determine what someone else might do you MUST know his complete background and where he comes from. Too many Liberals assume that all people are alike and think the same way. WRONG!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        M!Mark,
        I agree with your outlook on war! I remember reading, i don’t know where, that war should be fought to a point that sickens all. That way it will be a long time till they consider it again!!! hese wars we fight so as to make people feel good about them only serve one purpose, to make them willing to risk it again and again!!!

      • Viktor Leben

        eddie,

        The Iraqui’s had Sarin, and it was used on some of our troops.

      • Granny Mae

        Maranatha Mark

        AMEN brother ! Finally someone with a brain ! Too many people like you said are running the war from Washington instead of letting the Generals do it . They would get us in and out with a lot less casualties and in a lot less time ! I don’t know how anyone that has never been in the military can think they know how to fight a war ! Washington needs to turn it all over to our generals and step back and let them get it done !

      • JRC

        Nope they are not “FREE” they are recovering and about to be turned into cute little consumer slaves and credit card users so the international bankers and corporations make even more profit…if that is what you call free, you need to see a professional for help.

      • vicki

        perhaps you have become confused between buying something because you want to and buying something because a gun is pointed at you and the holder demands you buy something.

        Unlike Obamacare those “evil” bankers you complain about have not pulled out guns to force me to buy their products.

      • Bob

        Right All Iraqis are free. Too bad we can’t ask the 2 million that are dead.

      • vicki

        would that be the 2 million that Saddam killed or were you talking about another group?

      • vicki

        The link to go with my post above.
        http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html

      • Craig

        Freedom tends to be costly in blood there Bob. Did not you learn anything in history.

      • Granny Mae

        Beberoni,

        Iraq was a free sort of country before we went in there. It was not like Afghanistan. Iraq had a lot of freedom especially for the middle east. When Bush decided to go in there I was torn in my feelings between two conflicting facts. One is that Hussien had played coy with the UN and their inspection for WMD. I feel they did have them at one time but they managed to hide them either in the desert or in another country close by, so because of that I felt we were right to go in and find those WMD and get rid of them because this guy had already invaded one country and was trying to show his muscle again! However, we were already in Afghanistan and I felt that we needed to finish our mission there first and I also felt that Bush was down deep, trying to fix what his daddy had messed up ! That could have waited till we were through with our mission in Afghanistan, then if Hussein was still causing trouble we could straighten that out. Problem is we never go into a war and fight it like a war should be fought. We don’t want to hurt inocent people and children so we don’t really go at it full force with the knock them down and take them out and get it over with. War is not nice and we can never make it nice. War is hell on earth so if you are going to have a war you need to fight all out and make it as short as possible and then get out of Dodge. You don’t stick around to rebuild and set up their government! Let them do that. They do not live the same life we do so they need to set up a government to their life style not ours !

      • Carole Howell

        Beberoni,

        Where do you get this nonsense, the educated people of Iraq, most of their Doctors, lawyers, business men, educators have fled Iraq, millions of people were left homeless, Iraqi women are victims of the human flesh peddlers, Schools and hospitals, power plants and water purification plants have been destroyed and not rebuilt, the only thing we have built there is permanent military bases. We will not be leaving there for decades if ever.

        Iraqi businesses and banks have been destroyed or taken over by foreigners.

        Where do you get your information, and the Iraqi people are not as free as they once were before we went in, it is no longer a truly secular state. Women are now victims of the so-called honor killings, that were illegal under Saddam and sold into slavery.

        If you do not know what you are talking about, just don’t talk. It is almost criminal for you to say we have improved the lives of the Iraqi people, it is a cruel thing to say. We slaughtered them by the 100s of 1000s, maimed 100s of 1000s more, left millions homeless, are you mad?

      • marvin

        Bob, what are you smoking if you think that as- holes want to be ruler in iran will not make dirty bombs for his friend in the white house,with are south border being under control,as per nepolitano an,t no way anyone could bring in one dirty bomb, mabe 20 but not one,when your skin starts to glow just remimber
        Ben Crystal
        is a war monger, ben is a war monger and you are a moron

      • Bob

        I don’t reply to people named Marvin

      • vicki

        Interesting. You just did.

      • Bill Thomas

        Yea, I wonder if he goes to the same restaurants as Dick Cheney, Bill Kristol and the rest of the Neocons just salivating for another war in the Middle East.

      • Al Sieber

        Bill, you must of read Project For A New American Century.

      • Davnkatz

        Bill, read my reply to Patricia Smith. The world can be a bad plce and life can be hard, but it is even tougher when you are stupid – to paraphrase John Wayne. Am I calling you and your ilk stupid? Well, as Forrest Gump used to say, “Stupid is as stupid does.”

      • Bob

        John Wayne another armchair Rambo

      • Al Sieber

        DavnKatz, you need to read the PNAC act, and history.

      • Viktor Leben

        Bob,

        I have to disagree with you. The article seems to hinge on the idea that Prez Obama’s foreign policy is flawed when it comes to Iran. One of his premises is weakness shown by current US foreign policy is being exploited by Iran.

        Definitely not a work Of “zionist propaganda” . It’s more of a advocacy of a surrogate solution, ie have the IDF take care of the problem. In other words, Bob, Israel (the “Zionist”) are about to save our Yankee ass. Make sure you send the Knesset a “Thank You” card …

        This begs the question ” Is Prez Obama’s foreign policy anti-Israel ? Specifically could this all have been avoided if the US had a tougher foreign policy ?”

        It could be a mute point because the USA doesn’t have the money to invade Iran – thank you Federal Reserve/Wall Street.

      • Bob

        How is Israel gonna save us. They ran out of Lebanon with their tails between their legs.

      • Viktor Leben

        Good comment Bob ! Another interesting page for the History books.Let’s turn the page and see what happens !

      • Al Sieber

        Viktor and Dave, we already know what happens next.

  • bob

    isreal is gods land. he will protect isreal when the time is right, and when he does then we will all see who the real power is.

    • Al Sieber

      Bob, does that mean what I think it does?

    • JRC

      This is a pipe dream, you have fallen for the fairy tales of the master race….nope, learning from the past proves that there is either NO god (my conviction) or he does NOT care what goes on on this planet because he has his hands full with other problems.

      • Mike In MI

        No, JRC – It isn’t that HE doesn’t care. The truth is that you don’t care and don’t want to be responsible for yourself in a way tht’s meaningfu to Him. When you start to get that in order you will find out just how greatly He really does care, has cared and has acted regarding that care. He’s done as much as He can do for you to this point…now it’s your turn to act. Start acting like and adult and put your money where your mouth is – be personally responsible for a change. All your excuses are just rationalzations for doing thing you know are dumb.

      • vicki

        JRC, There is another potential reason for God’s seeming to not do things you want.

      • bob

        its sad to me that you feel there is no god but thats your right to believe that way abd im knocking it. i hope that one one day you will see that their is a god. but my believe is that he shows tough love and he is a forgiveng god. but wen the time is right for him he will show all that he is in control.

      • bob

        jrc, im sorry i meant to say im NOT knocking your choice not to think there is god.

      • Granny Mae

        JRC,
        There is a God but too many people want him to control everything in our lives and they want to blame him for everything that happens in their lives that they feel is unjust. When God created us he gave us free will. We choose to do the things we do and there by must accept the results of our own actions. Yes bad things happen to good people and it is by the bad choice or decission of someone else ! It isn’t fair but that is the way it is. God wants us to love him by our own choice and not because he has dictated it so ! He does not interfear in our lives because of our free will. What kind of life would we have if he controlled every aspect of our life? What kind of love for him would we show if we were forced to love him? We have free will and will have to choose our actions and then live by them. There comes the final judgment ! Good or bad it is up to you ! You can believe if you want to but he will never force you ! The choice is yours.

      • Granny Mae

        Let me also say that he does come into our lives from time to time by our invitation, but not always in the way we want him too and not always when we want him too ! I don’t have the answer for that He does !

      • bob

        bless you granny mae. you said it better than me.

      • Vicki

        Well said. You understand. Some have said that God does not exist or is dead because God would not allow war. They do not understand.
        God most certainly does exist and does care. However He can not break His promise. God does not prevent war because that would be breaking His promise of free will.

    • Carole Howell

      Dream on Bob, LOL

    • spike

      Amen, Bob.

  • THINK ABOUT

    The decision to go into Iraq 10 years ago has worked to give Iran an open field to develop nuclear weapons. Before Iraq served as an overseer and a cork on Iran. Though I realize Saddam was a very bad person, Iran was kept under wraps. Iran is a Persian country, they are not Arabs and was sitting out alone before we removed the safety net. Just recently I have heard some reporters saying Iraq invasion might have opened up Iran to build weapons. Right now the USA has not gotten onto alternative energy methods and away from the oil. There are a lot of other ways to relieve our dependence on oil, this will not happen overnight nor will drilling in the USA.

    • Warrior

      Maybe, maybe not. We possibly could have had two countries racing to develop nukes.
      Personally, I think there is more danger with the nuclear materials being used as dirty bombs or suitcase nukes for future terrorist endeavors. What until the first car bomb goes off in the old US of A.
      The TSA won’t be able to save us from that. Hijacking planes has become so passe’.

      • Carole Howell

        Warrior,
        You are right, and it would be nice to know who the U S Officials in high office were that sold our Nuclear secrets to Turkish officials, who then sold them to Pakistan and then Pakistan’s Nuclear expert (Dr. Khan) sold them to al Qaeda and to others, No. Korea. ETC.

        Sibel Edmonds working as a translator for the FBI discovered this info while translating pre-recorded calls to Turkey and to other countries in the region. Bush’s DOJ put a gag order on her.

        So Warrior, the dirty suitcase bombs could already be in place as we speak. And even if they are not, with our open borders, there is little to stop them from getting in.

        Scared yet? Iran does not scare me at all, but this does.

    • Eddie

      Warrior is correct.. During the first limited Iraq War of the ’90s, Saddam Hussein was purposefully left in Power as a check-mate to Iran.. Our Military was held back from completely whipping out his Republican Guard and the Hussein Military was allowed to leave Kawait basically intact while passing through the Gauntlet of our own Military lined up on each side of the Road back to Iraq. Our Pentagon realized that Saddam Hussein needed to keep enough Military Power to prevent Iran from finishing them off from their own war..
      Saddam Hussein then felt brave enough to re-start a nuclear program with every intent of nuclear weaponry. This in turn would have prompted the Iranians to do likewise, which they are doing anyway..
      The Cowardly world politics of this Administration will help bring on the World wide Nuclear War that will consume the World by Fire..
      The American Military hands are tightly tied against the “First Use” of atomic weaponry, whether for defensive prevention or offensive prevention.. Our Current Insane Politics requires that we Americans must take the “First Nuclear Burst” before we can be permitted to respond in kind.. Nuclear War is coming to America because our cowardly political leadership has no “spine” to act pre-emptively.. “The Hand will Burn, before the Brain will Learn..”
      Eddie’56

      • 45caliber

        I had a friend in the artillery in the first Iraq war. They had a mission to fire on a truck convoy – and it was shut down at the last moment. When the men asked why it was shut down, they were told that it was believed that Saddam was with the trucks. They REALLY wanted to shoot then. Finally they were told that the reason they didn’t want to harm Saddam was the fear that if he was killed or otherwise taken out, the terrorists would target Congress for assassinations.

        They REALLY REALLY wanted to shoot then! As he told me, it was a win-win situation.

      • Maranatha! Mark

        I don’t think we will be nuked, but when the Middle East war gets going really good and gasoline/disel/Kerosene hit $10 to $15 per gallon our dying economy will give up the ghost and our dollar will collapse, as will most Western economies, and even China’s. When Y’isral finishes with Iran, I don’t think it will be able to do much for a while, then in a year or so, it will suddenly rise again, seemingly from the ashes and invade Y’israel, with Russian help, then things really get interesting!

        Maranatha! Mark

      • http://?? Joe H.

        M!mark,
        I don’t agree. If gasoline hits 5.00 a gallon here in this country, the outcry will be so loud that they will open up drilling in almost all areas of the U.S. But the national parks!!!

      • spike

        that ain’t what the Bible says.

      • Davnkatz

        Your post, and the replies (incl mine) are nothing more than speculation. GEN Swartzkof was ready and recommended total annialation of Hussein’s administration. George Sr suddenly got cold feet and declared we had accomplished the mission. G Sr’s approval rating was very high until he quit, then it dropped dramatically. Also, it cost him the re-election (this can be confirmed historically). In the 2nd war, “W” just HAD to finish the job to revenge his pappy. Altho SoDamn Insane was a really bad guy, “W’s” revenge for pappy was the ONLY “real” reason.

        Once “W” accomplished that job, the Military wanted to invade Iran, but “W” wanted to teach Iraqis how to be Americans. Like his pappy, “W” had high approval ratings with his “war on terror”, but they also dropped to the bottom when he started to Americanize muslims. It also signaled other muslim countries that “W” and America was just rattling their sabres and had no intention to follow thru on the war on terror.

        Then, when obummer was elected and he started America on the fast-track to destruction, muslims rejoiced (again, do some research) and realized we are too stupid and care more for money than Constitutional safeguards. They realized how easily they can institute Sharia Law by creating “Sharia Compliant” banks, get concession for applying Sharia in areas of muslim population, and now the mosque at ground zero.

        Imam Rauf utter his proclamation but leaving one word unsaid: the mosque “… will seve as a bridge to (destroy) other religions.”

      • Granny Mae

        Davnkatz,

        You are dead on ! I agree !

      • spike

        Amen, brother!! Well said! you have their game down pat. You can see straight through to their back collar button. But what I don’t understand is, Why are we allowing it? They have to comply with our laws, and a legal system that is already in place. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness entitles people to come over here and demand their own set of laws, and their bending of our standards to meet THEM. They need to comply to what is already in place. BY THE WAY, A BURKHA WORN IN A DRIVER’S LICENSE PICTURE SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN.

      • Carole Howell

        Eddie,

        It has been proven Iraq did not have a nuclear weapons program, did you forget Israel bombs their 1st and only nuclear weapons plant. Iraq knew it was a no win situation. They had no nuclear weapons plans.

      • spike

        Really? Did you know Saddam personally?

    • Bookem Dano

      The idea of finding and using an alternative to oil is a pipe dream. It will take at least 100 years to wean off oil. Watch the show about oil on the Discovery channel or history channel. Most people do not realize how many things use oil in their production. Besides there is scientific studies suggesting that there is always a continous “remaking” of oil going on natuarly on the planet.
      The only true answer is to shut down the bunny huggers that are trying their best to make big oil look evil. We need to use our own resources in our own hemispher and screw the rag heads. They’re going to shut off the global supply in as little as 5 years anyways. DRILL HERE AND DRILL NOW!!!

      • Mike In MI

        No, no, no…how does that make any sense?

        They can’t make any money by shutting down the supplies. They want to control the direction of flow and how much it costs. Senator Rockefeller wants the internet shut down so we can’t talk to each other and turn algore into a turnip or Soros into a stuffed cabbage.
        They want to CONTROL energy with their stupid “credits” system. They want to take away your lawn and garden tools, mowers, tractors, snowmobiles, boats, 4-wheelers and your ability to travel much beyond the next county or your ability to buy fuel for them.
        Buy a goat and worship Obama.

      • Agent Orange

        Actually, there IS a viable alternative to oil right now — it’s called “coal-to-liquids technology”, and it’s been around since World War 1. Just think of it, for just a tiny increase in gasoline prices, we can have a GUARANTEED SUPPLY of gasoline for the next 400 YEARS!

      • spike

        I am intrigued, tell me more.

      • Granny Mae

        Bookem Dano,

        Again I agree ! They will shut down the supply to us but there is always China to pick up the slack ! China will use LOT’S of OIL !

      • Carole Howell

        Bookem Dano,

        It is not taking Germany a 100 years, but then we are turning into a rather backward nation aren’t we? Hell Spain is passing us by and perhaps even Brazil.(most of Europe has)

        There is no reason for it to take a 100 years, that is big Oil propaganda. If we set our minds to it, we could surpass everyone else in the world in 10 years by 5 times. Spain is using our technology now, and why not, we are not using it.

        Of course we would have to get big business’s money out of our government first. Hell we don’t even have our first Bullet Train we are so behind the times. What a shame, we have gone so far down hill. The world is passing us by. We who once led the world in technological advancements.

    • GHEORGHE 4 EVER

      WE CAN ALL THANK JAMES EARL CARTER (PEANUT JIMMY) FOR THE MESS WE’RE IN NOW. IF HE HADN’T BEEN A GUTLESS S.O.B., AHMADINJIHAD WOULD HAVE BEEN HANGING IN FRONT OF THE U.S. EMBASSY IN TEHRAN ALL THOSE YEARS AGO.

  • s c

    Muslims say their faith teaches love and tolerance, but they still find ways to idolize Hitler. Iran’s wannabe fuhrer is chasing his own version of karma, and he doesn’t seem to be overly concerned about starting a war that once started can’t be stopped.
    It’s almost as though the world is so close to being insane that insanity has become the new recreational drug. Like the old expression says, “It takes all kinds of losers to make this the screwed-up world that it is.” As self-serving and paranoid as our ‘leaders’ can be, at least we don’t have a flake quite like Iran’s flake – not yet, that is. But we’re definitely close.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      They say that, but the very tenants of their belief system says that if someone doesnt think like you do and embrace your theology, that they are infidels and you kill them. That doesnt sound like a very peaceful and tolerant religion at all to me. No sir, not at all. And while our government is trying to force tolerance for them down our throats, they are laughing their arse’s off while they are planning our demise. We need to back off Israel, and allow them to take care of business like they want to. They will level these guys if we take the hand cuffs off them. They may do it soon anyhow, as they know they cannot wait for Iran to get a nuke, because Iran will nuke them as soon as they can, and thats the facts.

      • Charley41

        I’m afraid the Muslums are planning to out populate us and their goal is to have control of our politics by 2050. Proof of that is in the book MUSLUM MAFIA. Wake up America …take care of our own door step!

      • JRC

        You need to learn how to sift through lies and propaganda and do research on your own. I found this book to be full of twisted facts and half truths within the first 20 pages that I tossed it into the trash.
        It is nothing but a piece of propaganda by someone who has an agenda that is very close to the 3rd Reich agenda only its Muslims this time instead Jews.

      • vicki

        let us look at the qu’ran and bible to see the differences
        http://www.dianedew.com/islam.htm

        Note in particular the differences in Murder, Violence, War & Oppression and the Treatment of Women

      • Bob

        In 2050 I’ll be 110 years old. Should I stock up on ammo?

      • Vicki

        Yes. You might not need it but the youngins will.

      • Granny Mae

        Charley41,

        You may just be right !

      • Maranatha! Mark

        The confusion about Islam being a “peaceful religion”: At first, during his ‘hippy years’ in Mecca, Mohammad spoke of peace and love, but then the Jews laughed in his face as did the Christian Church leaders about his prophecies, and by the time he moved to Medina, he had lost that “Loving feeling” and everything from then on was kill those who won’t convert to Islam, lie if you can’t out right defeat your enemies until you can defeat them. “Honor killings”, murder, rape, polygamy, bestiality all practiced by Mohammad and sanctioned by him. And unlike the Holy Bible (Judao-Christian), Medina supercedes all Mecca verses – older verses supercede earlier verses check out Chapter 9 verse 5 in the Generous Qur’an, and see what I mean. The so-called “Radical” Islamists bent on world domination are in fact the “Whole Book Islamists”, for the ultimate goal of all those who follow Mohammad is to establish a world wide theocracy and a callaphate to rule over all the world! They will do whatever it takes to achieve this goal… WHATEVER IT TAKES! Y’israel is only the first step and the United States is the 2nd step!

        Know your enemies and understand what is at stake before you enter into a war, or you are doomed to fail! We are fighting enemies engaged in a “Holy War”, like we are fighting a governmental war (like World Wars I & II), which means we will loose unless we start treating it like and fighting it as a Holy War.

      • Mike In MI

        Hey Mark, Maranatha -

        Right, like… how we going to do that or do anything to defend ourselves with a lieing Mohammedan-in-chief who’s waging Holy War against US?

      • Agent Orange

        That’s why we must IMPEACH him if we can (and vote him out of office if we can’t).

      • 45caliber

        I personally think Mohammed had a split personality. He would write one thing in one place and sometimes the exact opposite somewhere else. That is why interputting the Qoran is so difficult; which part can you believe? You can’t believe both!

      • Christin

        I have learned that the earlier writings were more peaceful, but the later writings in the Koran or Quron by mohammed were much more violent… thus the contradiction.

      • David

        Thats thre problem with people who smoke hash….LOL

      • Granny Mae

        Maranatha! Mark

        I agree with you !

      • Carole Howell

        Beberoni,

        Are you quoting that straight from the Koran? Please state the chapter and verse.

    • spike

      Yes, we are close, EGOTISM seems to be the common thread that I see in
      the Ahmedinijad (sp) videos and Obama…They burn American Flags, they
      burn fake American bodies, they take hostages, they kill news reporters. And we sit idly by…

  • viktor leben

    Israel doesn’t have the conventional weaponry to invade and occupy Iran ! Israel would need to use their nuclear arsenal.

    That big mouth Iranian President is going to get some plutonium blown down his throat..and right out his “posterior orifice” .. courtesy of the IDF.

    • FreedomFighter

      Iran wants World War.

      “In a hypothetical conflict, the United States vs. Iran would be shorter than Ahmadinejad without the lifts in his shoes.”

      True, but other players are in the mix. Because the dwarf-nutcases want to meet god, they will certainly try to drag the global powers into conflict. They believe what they say, they want to meet god, to do so means world war.

      We cannot underestimate fanatical commitment to suicide.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And their meeting will be short, just long enough to sentence them to the lake of fire. Thats it.

      • Maranatha! Mark

        Y’israel will not use the ‘Samson Option’ – nuclear weapons, unless WMDs are falling on Y’israeli soil, or unless it looks like they are going to be wiped out. Y’israel is one of the most technically advanced countries in the world, and I understand they have some new tricks up their sleeves, to introduce to the Iranians, Syrians, Hezbollah and Hamas. A pre-emptive strike on Iran will start a larger Middle east war, involving Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and even Saudi Arabia. There will be a nuclear attack on Damascus, Syria, once they start firing the Chemical and Biolgocical tipped SCUDS into Y’israel. Check out the Bible verses: Isaiah 17:1, Psalm 83, Obadiah 1:17-21 and Ezekiel 38-39.

        Maranatha! Mark

      • Bob Hauser

        The so-called “good book” from which you and far too many others so freely quote, has been rewritten at least seventeen times since the alleged Ascension and has had, according to the Encyclopedia Britannica, an estimated 15,000 significant changes to it….not surprising considering that the jewish race, that gave us your “holy book”, has compiled such a sterling record of honesty during their 4 millennia of recorded existence that they were unceremoniously booted out of every nation in Western Europe at one time or another and in some case several times, oblivious as they usually maintain themselves of just how unwelcome they are in truly civilized society.

      • Bob

        MAranatha MArk,

        You are SOOOOOOO right!!! We’ll see WWIII, the middle eastern nations with Russia helping to fight against Israel (previous to the rapture) not to be confused with Battle of Armageddon (Where the armies of the world try to prevent Jesus from returning with his army of saints).

      • Karen

        ahhem! I beg your pardon, Please give me the scripture in the Bible where the word ‘Rapture’ is located? I have been studying for over 30 years and I have not found it yet? I don’t think that people are going to get out of being involved in all of this so easily.

      • Al Sieber

        Karen, you’re right, the “Rapture” was invented by the Jesuits and exploited by the “Tent” preachers. in the end times in the bible it talks about false prophets. the bible has been rewritten many times, I don’t how many.

      • libertytrain

        Al – I don’t know – never heard that term Rapture growing up but according to one religious site: “The theological notion of a “rapture” was invented 170 years ago. In 1830, in Port Glasgow, Scotland, fifteen year old Margaret MacDonald had a vision concerning the return of Christ. Her vision was adopted by John Nelson Darby a British minister and founder of a denomination called the “Plymouth Brethern.” In 1909, an American, C. I. Scofield, pubished an annotated version of the “King James” translation of the Bible called the “Scofield Reference Bible.” Scofield’s annotations were based on the theology of John Nelson Darby. The “Scofield Reference Bible” popularized the teachings of Darby. Fundamentalist Christians in the U. S. adopted Scofield’s Bible as authoritative. With the rise of fundamentalism in the U. S. in recent years, the popularity of the theological notion of the “rapture” has also gained popularity.”

      • Al Sieber

        LibertyTrain, you might be right, but I know the Jesuits were involved somewhere. there’s a book called:”Rulers Of Evil” by F. Tupper Saussy about the Jesuits. the saying “kill them all and let God Sort them Out” came from them. I’ll research it more.

      • libertytrain

        Oh I don’t know if I’m right but never heard that term from any Jesuit and believe I spent years around schools run by them or any of the Catholic Schools I attended and never to this day in Church. I did hear about some religion that did the rapture idea on one of those History channel documentaries sometime in the last year or so – and it reminded very much of what I Googled up this eve.

      • Viktor Leben

        Karen,

        The word “Rapture” is derived from the Latin Vulgate translation in 1 Thessalonians , The word is “rapturo” according to this hyperlink ….

        http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080508152339AAKbD90

        The “Rapture” will happen. Whether the Tribulation will start right after the Rapture, I have my own personal doubts. I’m of the opinion that the Rapture will happen, then their will be an interval of many years before the 7 year Tribulation. This will give the world time to totally apostatize. When the Church is Raptured nothing will hold evil back. It will like the time before Christ’s 1st advent. Occult religion and Black Science will be practiced by many. Also Babylon can be rebuilt during this period. Then Daniel’s last week will happen ……

        I could be wrong, the “Trib” might happen right after the “Rapture”

        I’m not religious, I use to go to Sunday School when I was a kid …

      • Viktor Leben

        Liberty Train,

        There is more to studying “The Blessed Hope” or “The Rapture” than Darby and Scofield !

        Why don’t you start with the Apostle Paul or the Book of Job ?

      • libertytrain

        Victor – I’m not studying the rapture – I was just commenting that I didn’t believe it had anything to do with the Jesuits.

      • Viktor Leben

        Liberty train,

        Pardon me for sounding terse ! It must be this old Kool-Aid I’m drinking !

      • libertytrain

        Victor – how about a nice glass of apple juice instead – much better for you.

      • 45caliber

        FreedomFighter:
        I remember the Iranian President making a remark sometime ago. It went something like this:

        “I know Iran stands to be blown up in any exchange of nuclear weapons. But if we can bring down the mighty American Satan at the same time, our survivors and other Muslims in the world will be able to conquer what is left so we will emerge victorious!”

      • Bob Hauser

        Yes…and so typical of their obsession with mythology, most Americans still believe that Ahmadinejad seeks to “wipe Israel off the map” which turns out to be a willfully malicious mistranslation of what the Iranian leader in fact said which was to the effect that Israel would disappear from the map (like a complete remission of the social cancer it constitutes)….you know of course…willful and malicious mistranslation like the one the dearly departed Senator from Californicate, Alan Cranston, attempted to publish in 1939 of Hitler’s MEIN KAMPF, and for which he was dragged into court and soundly trounced….and again, mistranslation, as in using the term “Manchuria” versus Manchukuo, in Hull’s ten-point ultimatum to the Japanese in November, 1941, one little word that was coldly calculated to steer the Japanese Imperial Command directly to the flash point. What’s in a word?…..just enough to set off a world war that lasted six years and resulted in 55 million deaths, the vast majority of whom were not jewish…Hell, that’s all.

      • Bob

        Should we just call you “BLAH BLAH BOB” from now on? You go off on such ridiculous tangents taht don’t mean anything to the topic at hand. Do us all a favor and leave the intelligent conversations to the rest of us. You no doubt have never actually READ the Bible, and certainly not with the illumination of the Holy Spirit helping you to DISCERN THE TRUTH. Stick to either the KJV (w Apocrypha) or the Geneva Bible, and you will see the UNADULTERATED truth, closest to the original manuscripts. The Bible is written by multiple persons but there is only ONE AUTHOR, the TRIUNE GOD, of which all writers were inspired by the HOLY SPIRIT to write down HIS-STORY.

      • Danny Buckles

        Bob Hauser wake up to the fact that you believe in nothing and you have nothing but hopelessness to share. Jesus christ offers the only hope for man. If you were one tenth as smart as you are trying to convince every one. You would understand, That there is know other belief that offers man any hope.Especially not muslim open your mind and come out of that darkness. You are living with your eyes and ears closed to the truth.Have a great day and quit hating GOD’S children.

      • Carole Howell

        Thank You Bob Hauser for your sanity, some here are so off the charts with their insanity.

        Remember when everyone was saying the ayatollah khommeini was a total loon? But all that hype was immediately dropped when Reagan did his secret illegal Arms deals with him. Remember that everyone?

        Then we have these false Christians beating the drums of war all the time, it is just insane. They are the ones who don’t read their own bibles.

      • Corinne

        Bob Hauser is absolutely right about the “Rapture” – it is not in the Bible. He is, also, correct that it was the construct of Reverend Darby, and was adopted by ignorant Christians who, like most of them today, believe any and every thing they hear from a pulpit. Remember, “Better to be thought the fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” It seems to me that some of you need to spend more time actually reading the Bible, and less just blindly accepting whatever someone else tells you it says.

      • Corinne

        I forgot to say, “Yes, I am a Christian.”

      • Viktor Leben

        Hauser,

        God will fight for Israel. He doesn’t need the USA. Personally I would rather be on God’s side …

      • Bob

        45 Do you have firsthand knowledge of that being said?

      • 45caliber

        I heard him say it on TV.

      • 45caliber

        Via translator.

      • spike

        You are right!! We need to “read the book” THEIRS, AND THE BIBLE!!
        Those who do not believe, okay, read it anyway. The first 66 books are a HISTORY LESSON. They are there to back up, and be a reference for
        the “new testament”…Then read the back of the book…does it sound current? Then maybe a few (I said few) will go..Oh, wow. That was written 2000 years ago? Maybe it is true. Maybe they won’t but I stand on the fact, jack…it’s INTHEBOOK!!!

    • http://liberty SAM

      If you think anyone is going to get by attacking Iran,Your DEAD wrong,This WHOLE WORLD will go into CHAOS,The USA will COLLAPSE,Isreal will lose 99% of their JETS and US 89%,And Get ready to see for the first time ever CARRIERS in the BOTTOM OF EVERY WATREWAY

      • Craig

        Yadda Yadda, same B.S. was said about Saddam’s republican guard decimating any invaders. They all ran like the little pussies they are. Same thing will happen with Iran’s military.

      • JRC

        The only difference is that Saddam NEVER had the technology to do it, but the Iranians have. Read our own military analyst reports and you will find that many of Iran’s weapons are on par or in some cases even better then our own. Ironically, Iran does not need nuclear weapons if it wants to wipe Israel of the map. They have the capability right now, and Israel knows it, the US knows it also. Honestly, why do you believe NOTHING was done? No attack or covert action to blow up the labs? Israel will NOT commit suicide and neither will the US. The danger from a Nuclear armed Iran is NOT to Israel, but to Iran’s biggest enemy, the big Satan US. All Iran needs is ONE nuclear tipped rocket and explode it at an high altitude over the US. Remember, they already test fired rockets to simulate this. The resulting EMP will destroy the US as much as a full scale attack. Moreover, if this was done from some ship, tanker close to our borders there will be hardly any way to trace it back to Iran. The US will be very careful to retaliate because the rest of the world just waits for such a mistake. It will be in the end of the US as we know it

      • Stevo

        Do you not keep up with our own technology,at least the unclassified stuff ? Our laser program is coming along very well.We have a ground laser that can knock out anything flying or on the ground.We also have a BIG laser in a 747 jet that can knock out a missle from a long way off.And that’s just what we know about.There is a small laser mounted on a humvee that they use to blow up IED’s,and we are using it in Iraq and probably Afghanistan.

      • Lubo

        LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Al Sieber

        JRC,you are right on the money. and they have Russia and China behind them.

      • Al Sieber

        And their Shiites, not Sunnis, not afraid to die.

      • Craig

        “Read our own military analyst reports and you will find that many of Iran’s weapons are on par or in some cases even better then our own. Ironically,”

        Yadda yadda yadda, heard the same about Russian weapons. Come to find out later after we got a good look at their stuff. It was antiquated, almost primitive in comparison to our stuff and very unreliable and inaccurate.

      • Bob

        The reason nobody will attack Iran is because they have alot of up-to-date weapons. Why else would the CIA try to start a revolution in Iran after last years elections.

      • Lubo

        Craig…Well said but even quicker.

      • Bob

        Have you signed up yet Craig Rambo or are you another armchair hero?

      • Craig

        Signed up for what, Bob? I was stating facts, Bob. In your warped world one must sign up in the military to state facts? Is that how it goes, Bob?

      • http://comcast.NET E.V. Doyle

        Love your style,sounds like it came strait from yada yahweh.
        Love His Message@the Messengers.
        Woody

      • Carole Howell

        Thank you Sam, this country is in a bad place right now and a war with Iran would finish us off.

        People forget Iraq and Iran have been there for a very long time. People also forget or ignore the fact that Iraq pretty much asked the USA for permission to attack Kuwait over border disputes, and April Glaspie,remember her? She basically gave Saddam Hussein the green light to settle their dispute and he saw fit.

        We were told Hussein was a mad man he was the worst tyrant in the region, remember? Yet Iraqi people were the freest of all the Arab world, the most educated, had the highest standard of living, free to practice any religion they chose, they all had Universal health care.
        Iraqi women were free to drive, dress as they pleased, have careers etc.(which is not true after our involvement, things are the same as in any other Arab nation now, aren’t we proud)

        So obviously Saddam Hussein was not the worst tyrant in the region. None of these freedoms were available to any other Arabs in any other Arab Nations.

        We are constantly lied to too.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Carol Howell,
        Yes, and woman were free to be repeatedly RAPED by Saddam, his sons and the imperial guard as well. Husbands were sometimes shot so he could rape them and not be seen as guilty of raping a married woman. (that came after the people in the west started hearing about his little escapades. How do I know this? I spoke to a woman in 2006, a recent immigrant to the U.S. She showed me scars on her arms and neck where she had been beaten by imperial guards and later raped! I choose to believe her “proof more than your stories of “mistranslations!!

      • Carole Howell

        Joe H,

        You get that crap from the same place the U S Congress got the story that Kuwaiti babies were ripped out of their incubators and stacked like firewood to die, and the incubators were then shipped to Iraq, remember that ‘cock and bull’ story? Which is just what it was.

        Iraqi women themselves said they were safe on the streets of Iraq any time day or night. That is not true today, today they are raped, murdered and/or sold as sex slaves all over the middle east, do you even try to keep up to date with the news coming out of Iraq today?

      • Bob

        When Saddam Hussein was hanged on the gallows he went out like a man. How many of our leaders would be real men. None

      • Granny Mae

        If Saddam is your idea of a man you need to get a grip !

      • spike

        I think you will be right, if we wait much longer. Let’s just wait til he has nukes, and then go….duh, I shoulda hada V-8

    • Jim M.

      I would certainly like to read the whole article. Is it too much to ask to have the video and the Google ads 3 1/2″ over to the right where they belong, instead of blocking a few paragraphs of the article???

      • DaveH

        Jim it comes out fine on my Browser (Internet Explorer 8).

      • RWS

        I had the same problem. You have to make your window smaller so that the video doesn’t obstruct it. Take the bottom right corner of your internet explorer window and shrink it to about half the size of your computer screen. That should help.

      • libertytrain

        I used Firefox and have no problem -

      • Davnkatz

        Jim, there is a moveable adjust bar at the bottom (or maybe the top) of the screen which can be used to adjust location.

        Another option is to double-click on the incoming email. That will make the entire message appear on the screen. Remember to click on the X in the upper right hand corner to reverse the process and exit.

        A third option is to hold down the “Cntrl” button and gently move the “roll” wheel on your mouse (forward or backward) until the whole message is on the screen. Then use the qadjust bar to position the message.

        I discovered this thru trial-&-error when I had the same problem. Hope ithelps.

      • dan az

        Davnkatz
        Thanks I can see again!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Jim M,
        mine is just fine. I’m on 8 as well!!

    • Mary

      You’re right. Israel just to do it first. If the lunatic of Iran has a change he will nuke Israel in a blink of an eye. There is no other way. Never give a change to the enemy. Terrorists, socialists and communists are the best when they are dead.

      • 45caliber

        What do you call a terrorist with only six sticks of dynamite strapped to his chest?

        A moderate.

      • Lubo

        LOL!!!! ):>

      • Granny Mae

        LOL ! I call him hurtin !

      • JRC

        mary,
        Iran has the ability to wipe Israel of the map already if they wanted to do so, Why do you think Israel and the US have not attacked? It would be the end of Israel. A nuclear weapon will help, but it is really not needed. If the Iranians had a death wish Israel would have been destroyed already. A nuclear armed Iran will be the destruction of the US, that is what this is all about. But, unfortunately we gave Iran too much time to prepare direct and indirect actions. I believe that is we or Israel is attacking Iran today, it will be Israels destruction and it will also destroy the US as we know it.

      • Lubo

        JRC…..Not sure what your credentials are but stating that IRAN can wipe Israel off the face of the map seems to be a LARGE STRETCH? Fact is, based upon Israel’s WELL equipped military, not to mention, a multitude of nuclear missles, the JERICO being one of many, just how could a non-nuclear Iran pull that one off?

        Fact is, if this idiot in Iran had a deliverable nuclear weapon, he would have already “attempted” to use it against our friends in Israel. Fact is, he don’t and nor should we allow him to obtain one.

        As far as Iran destroying America, your dreaming. One TRIDENT nuclear sub has enough DELIVERABLE nuclear tonage to completely wipe IRAN off the face of the PLANET.

      • Al Sieber

        Lubo, they will destroy us economically, gas will be $10-$12 a gallon.

      • dean

        One nuke in any part of the world unleashed, will finish the world as we know it folks, now a neutron bomb might be a wise choice for this area. killing everything alive and leaving the ranch intact. lol

      • Granny Mae

        Al,

        I don’t think so! What do you think their economy is based on and just how long do you think they would last? And why would we let them last anyway ?

      • Al Sieber

        Grannie Mae, Iran’s economy is based on petro. products.

      • Granny Mae

        Al,

        I know and that is why I said that. The only thing they have in their economy is to sell oil and we buy it. If we don’t buy it they loose . By the way what the heck do they use their money for anyway? I sure don’t see much in the line of schools and hospitals and sewer systems etc. in most of those countries. What the heck do they do with the money they make off us and other nations? I know make war !

      • Carole Howell

        JRC is a realist, it is you that knows nothing and in this case I hope you never have to find out.

      • 45caliber

        JRC:
        If Iran had the capability to wipe Israel off the map why was Israel successful in defeating all of them at the same time during the 6-day War? And why hasn’t Iran done it considering that it is the one thing all Muslims want to do?

      • mr

        The problem here is Russia and China.
        It is in their interest to keep Mullah’s in power.
        In their eys, that provides them the “balance” in the region since US has Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudis, Egypt, Jordan,… in the region.
        They want to hold on to Iran as their answer to US.

    • Mike In MI

      Viktor, viktor, viktor (easy!, easy!) – Don’t you know your name, Leben, in German means “Love”? You’re not giving off a lot of vibes for sweet tenderness and light.

      One problem with Americans who are still asleep is they don’t realize the depth of passion the moslems have to die in order to take over he world. The sleepy heads need to be awakened in a way that appeals to some of their predilections, like – “Be nice, do something that shows pheeeelllinng.” Ask for conciliatory gestures, junk like that.
      So why not ask the Ground Zero mosque leader, Imam Rauf, to prove that he is a man of goodwill. Something that would really appeal to people with liberal leanings would be this:

      Let’s ask Rauf to make a deal. If he wants to prove that their intentions are sincere and that Muslims seek trusting relations with other people in the world community, are willing to “join hands with other religions and men of peace” and do not seek Mohammedan world dminance then do this to prove it:
      Work together among other Imams until you obtain consensus to permit the construction of a Christian church and a Jewish synagogue alongside the Dome of the Rock on top of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Then, having proven your sincerity, you can build your mosque at Ground Zero in New York City.

      I’d like to propose that you New Yorkers ought to spread this request aroud The City so it gets heard. It will show the true Moslem intentions. Their intent is either provocation, marking what they consider is their “territory” (like what they did in Jerusalem) or it is an outreach and cultural center.

      • Davnkatz

        Mike, there IS a group (can’t remember the name right now) of former Muslims who have converted to Christianity. The DID deliver a petition to Imam Rauf requesting Rauf disown Hamas, publish tolerance for those muslims who converted, and officially declare the mosque to be a center where ALL religions can study and worship together (Rauf has stateed “unofficially” (in other words – lied to deceive) the mosque would be a “bridge between religions). Guess what! Imam Rauf refused to acknowledge even getting the written petition! HAH to us stupid Americans who nelieve what the Imam and his greasy-mouth supporters loudly proclaim.

      • Mike In MI

        Oh and and one more thing. Never let them make any kind of unfulfilled deal, either. And never just take a Muslim’s word for something. The Koran says they can promise anything to a non-Muslim, make any kind of solem contract or deal, say anything, even swear by Allah. Then when the time comes to follow through and do what they agreed to they can back out and say they never made any deal or gave their word or signature. A non-muslim should never trust a Muslim on anything.

        Now, if the Muslim makes a promise or says anything to another Muslim he has to absolutely do it or he’s in trouble with Allah.

        Maybe this is why Obama has said so many things, but followed throught on nothing. Muslims can say anything they want to unbelievers. As far as he’s concerned we’re just a bunch of barn animals.

      • JRC

        Viktor, viktor, viktor (easy!, easy!) – Don’t you know your name, Leben, in German means “Love”? You’re not giving off a lot of vibes for sweet tenderness and light.

        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

        Nope, Leben means life, Lieben means love.

      • Mike In MI

        Oops! Right you are. Come to think of it that’s why I failed that class. I oughta’ leave such far away subjects alone and distant.

      • Viktor Leben

        Mike,

        I’m going to use that Leben means “love” line on my wife, next time she gets mad ….

      • 45caliber

        Mike:
        Dying while killing enemies of Allah is the ONLY way they can expect to get to Paradise. They are offered a chance IF they live a good life but that solution still leaves them hanging. Are they living a good live? But if they can kill someone … they have it made.

        So ALL true Muslims are willing to die killing infadels just so they can be assured of a place in Paradise. And those in Iran are as true as any others.

      • Carole Howell

        Mike in MI,

        They are not even building a Mosque, rightwing talking heads are saying that and you are repeating it. It is being repeated over and over again and it is a lie.

        They are building a community center, not a Mosque, big difference. And it is not at ground zero. It is being built in a completely dead area a few blocks away.

        Such exaggerations are crazy. People are foaming at the mouth here.

        45 Caliber, it was an illegal war, breaking International laws, but we the USA think we are above all laws, we do as we please but still demand others to follow International Law. The Iraq war was based on lies, complete bald faced lies. As was the war with Viet Nam. (gulf of Tonkin lie)

        We can torture, and we can teach others the art of torture (SOA) but we always criticize others on their Human Rights record.

        We are becoming a nation which speaks with a forked tongue.

      • Al Sieber

        Carole, I agree.

      • Granny Mae

        Carole Howell,

        I haven’t quite figured out just exactly how I do feel about this mosque business. Sometimes I’m upset over it and then I say well it is two blocks away. Then I say well yes but there are some people that their feelings are raw over this whole 9/11 disaster and it was perpetrated by Muslims (radicals what ever that means) you would think that these people would want to heal these wounds and say , hey we can build somewhere else if this is going to be such an issue for these people. But they don’t they seem to want to continue the contraversy and the agitation. They seem to have no compassion for anyone but themselves. They claim we have no right to object and never try to see the other persons view point. Aha ! But that is the nature of these people, now isn’t it? They can do these things and encourage their own children to give their lives willingly to blow someone up, because they seem to have no compassion and rebuck us becuse we do have compassion. I want to make nice with these people but they just don’t make it easy! For all the people that lost loved ones on 9/11 I think it should be left up to them and if they say NO then NO it should be !

      • Carole Howell

        Granny Mae,
        This is to be a community center, they have a Mosque 6 blocks away from ground zero,it has been there for years, want to tear that down. Let us be sensible here.

        Plus it was a bunch of Christian Fundamentalists that started an unnecessary war based on lies and killed many 1000s of times more people than 9/11 did, seems to me we are a little insensitive ourselves.

      • Carole Howell

        Mike from MI
        You have a strange way of talking love.

      • spike

        A stroke of genius…because you KNOW IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!

    • EddieW

      I agree that eventually Israel will have to nuke Iran, but they should have done it before the radioactive supplies were put in, but they know that!! Now to hit them with a nuke will splatter radioactivity all over the atmosphere, and water!!
      Right now Iran doesn’t have the nuclear material to make a bomb…it needs to be 90% enriched, and they are receiving 3% they might in a year or so be able to enrich it to 20%, but still not enought for a bomb! Come to think of it, nowhere in the Bible does it say a nuke will be used in the middle east, until toward the very end, when a “star” (missile?)will make a third of the waters unusable!!

      • Bob

        Eddie you repated Glen Beck word for word. Like a parrot.

      • Agent Orange

        20% ain’t enough for a nuke, but it sure IS enough to run a fast-breeder reactor (like the French Super-Phoenix in Lyon) and then reprocess the spent fuel to make WEAPONS-GRADE PLUTONIUM! Scared yet?

      • Carole Howell

        Agent Orange,
        Nope I am not scared at all.

      • local dude

        If you aren’t scared, you aren’t paying attention…

      • dan az

        Local Dude
        carole dosent Pay attention only reseves attention like a good little liberal that she is.

      • Viktor Leben

        Very interesting comments Eddie ….

        I’m just speculating … maybe the Iranians found a way to enrich the nuclear isotopes in a more efficient,expedient and economical manner. Who says the USA has the monopoly on state of the art nuclear technology ?

        Brilliancy, we would never had thought it, or planned for it .

      • spike

        Okay, so what are you getting at…

    • Carole Howell

      Attention: Read this and then tell me who the crazies are.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/30taub.html?ref=global

      • Agent Orange

        You are!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Agent Orange,
        Especially if she believes the New York Slimes!!!

      • Carole Howell

        Joe H, You did not read it did you, cause you are the nutcase. Read it.

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