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ADL: Court Ruling On Crosses Reaffirms U.S. Constitution

August 25, 2010 by  

ADL: Court ruling on crosses reaffirms U.S. Constitution A Colorado judge has ruled that crosses that memorialize fallen Utah Highway Patrol officers and that are erected on public land are unconstitutional.

The case was brought by a group called American Atheists, which argued that crosses are a Christian religious symbol — not a generic symbol representing death — and as such they violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, which mandates a separation of church and state.

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) was among those who praised the ruling, with its interim regional director Nina Simone Grotch saying that "we are pleased that the court reaffirmed the common-sense notion that a cross is a religious symbol and found that, as a consequence, its display on public land with an official seal by the state of Utah was unconstitutional."

She added that she hoped that the Utah Highway Patrol Association, which placed the crosses, will find "a more fitting symbol to honor their sacrifice."

However, The American Defense Fund, a coalition of Christian attorneys, is said to be considering an appeal, which could go as far as the Supreme Court, according to Fox News.ADNFCR-1961-ID-19928804-ADNFCR

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  • john

    We better get a wrecking crew over to most of our govt.buildings in Washington and start bulldozing all of those buildings that have Biblical inscriptions and or figures on them lest somebody takes offense…this is pathetic..is’nt removing memorial crosses from the roads now an enforcement of an atheists view upon us?Enough is enough

    • WallStreet

      No. Removing crosses is not atheist. It is simply not supporting one religion over another.

      • JC

        How very Liberal of you….JUMP!

  • Denis Flaherty

    Yet again, another judge who needs to be launched from office. If we don’t stand up for our rights folks, WE WILL HAVE NONE! Just think how much more damage OB and his merry band of followers can do in 2 more years-it’s pathetic.

    • blv54

      when obama was campaigning and made the statement that americans were bitter clingers hanging on to their guns and bibles I told my husband if that guy gets in office he’s going to try to ban guns and the bible as it was easy to see he likes neither of those things, I still can’t understand why they put him in there I’m no rocket scientist but even I could see how awful he was ya know he really didn’t try to hide it he in so many words admitted he was a communist.

  • Conservative at Birth

    Christianity is under attack in this country and the world. Watch for further attcks. You may want to decide if you are proudly, going to wear your religion on your sleeve, or hide from the brown shirts. Ask yourself why, Christianity? Because, over 80% of Americans say they are. I am going to buy cross on a necklace and wear it outside my clothing. I am not one for wearing jewelry, but I feel it is time to stand in solidarity NOW!

    • WallStreet

      I’m conservative at birth, but I am not a christian. Christianity is NOT under attack. YOU are attacking everyone who is not like you and who doesn’t think or believe like you. Is that the christian way of operating?

      • JeffH

        WallDunnger, seems you are enjoying your liberal self today.

      • vicki

        I didn’t see any evidence that CaB was attacking you or anyone else. Why do you feel that Cab was?

  • Hubert

    I am offended by people wearing obvious signs of their religion in public and in government buildings. I find it insulting that people around me are allowed to wear burka’s and other religious oriented clothing in public.
    To me that moving religious sign is even more infringing than a stationary sign like a cross. It is much more difficult to avoid the moving signs than the stationary ones.
    Of course I have no objection to them practicing and wearing those signs in private but they do not have to go around offending me.
    Remobe those burka’s,head shawls, dots on the forehead, etc.
    Moving statements of religion are more infringing and must, just like the crosses and ten commandments,also be banned on public property.

    • David in Ma.

      Tough!

    • William

      hubert you sound like another fringe lunatic. I see people wearing those symbles every day and it dodt bother me a bit. what really offends me is all those peircings and people wearing their pants hanging below their damned ASS,

    • Bob

      Many Catholics wear crosses around their necks. Jews wear the Star of David. What would you do about them?

    • Bruce D.

      There are other religious biggots like you out there Hubert. Most are not and neither were the ‘founding fathers’ who tried to protect us from people like you. The scaff over the face is a little different as we live in dangerous times and you should be able to see peoples faces as a possible warning to the danger of a psycopath.

    • JeffH

      Hubert offended? As they say in Poland, tough shitzky! Liberal hack!

      • WallStreet

        His views are liberal? Think again. You all call liberals nazis, but the truth is all of you are exhibiting nazi thoughts and promoting nazi actions. Does everyone have to be just like you? That’s what nazis wanted.

      • JeffH

        WallStreet, Bite me!….who’s calling who a Nazi? Not I fool!

      • Lubo

        Wallstreet…… I think maybe you are speaking of King Obama and his Czars in Washington, aren’t you?

      • JC

        Actually we are (except for the liberal trolls) a pro-freedom crew here. It the nazi’s who want out guns, the commies who want our religion destroyed (Muslims too) and the Liberals who are helping them do it.
        And if you really are a wall street type…do me a favor and JUMP!

      • Lubo

        …..just more evidence in print confirming ole “GOP-Wallstreet”, the richest and most powerful man in the world, is nothing more than a “Progressive Hack”.

    • vicki

      People, please. Hubert was using satire. He was showing the logical result of extending this judges ruling to all religion as would be required under the 14th amendment (Equal protection).

    • PJ

      Where in the constitution is it stated that you have a right to freedom from insult? Our principles require that we respect religious expression and protect your right to not believe.

      What is the difference between your impulse to restrict religious symbols and a corollary push to ban the practice of atheism in the public square?

  • patrick

    All of you Christians out there in America, we need to organize our efforts and have the ACLU help us bring law suits against every Mulim building in every city in America. You see, I am offended by those stupid tall towers and those dumb looking people with little beanny hats that yell out from Mosques as people kneel down to bow to to a fake, ALAH. The Muslim structures are there for a few reasons, to promote their religion and their terroristic beliefs and recruit more members to help overtake the world! This is the same reasoning non-believers are using.

    • Lubo

      Patrick……Send your money to the ACRU, not the ACLU, and you will have a much better chance of getting something positive done.

    • WallStreet

      You are definitely tripping on something. Perhaps it is the hate speech being promulgated by hate groups which are so vocal today.

      • Lubo

        Wallstreet…What is hate speech and how does that “term” relate to the 1st amendment? Also, who decides what IS and what IS NOT “hate Speech”. Sounds a little facist to me, how about you?

    • http://Bandit J Taylor

      Patrick, not all Muslims are terrorists, or non believers. I have known and worked with some for years. Never more gentle, unassuming, polite people. They did not flaunt their religion, nor speak of it. But were all from Muslim countries that they “ran from” after the Shaw was liquidated. And the Extremists took over.

  • Grumpy41

    Quote of John Adams:

    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to govern any other.”

    • Lubo

      Grumpy41…..Yep!….and your can find these type comments all throughout our FOUNDERS writings.

      Although the anti-GOD progressive movement insists that we were not founded on CHRISTIAN principles, the evidence clearly suggest otherwise.

      Fact is, our constitution WILL NOT WORK for an immoral peoples and that is the reason that they pervert our constitution into some type of “Living and Breathing Document”. Whatever that is?

      I quess that means that the constitution is nothing more than an OLD idea that changes with any and every passing wind, so as to supplement the distruction of America, by those who are in denial about our founding and our core Christian beliefs.

  • Annie Ladysmith

    A more fitting symbol? What would that be? The Satanic “star of David”, a misnomer and a symbol of hell. May Utah rebell and not take one of these crosses down, they are the symbol of CHRISTIAN Western civilization and the day they wipe out that symbol across America will be the day the nukes rain down on majoe American cities. Rebell now or suffer the consequences! The ADL can roast in hell, the sooner the better. If people don’t like crosses they can move to Israhell.

    • Her6bert

      Sorry, Annie, but that was just ignorant.

      • Bob

        Annie was right. The Aclu and the ADL and SPLC are all Zionist spies. spying on Patriotic Americans.

    • ValDM

      Annie,
      WHAT are you saying? Christianity (with the coming of the Messiah) was the culmination of the Old Testament (The Torah of the Jews). How can you believe that they can be separated?????????

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        Because the majority of the Jews during the time of Christ did not believe that he was the messiah, but a prophet. And it remains the same today in their beliefs.

    • WallStreet

      Annie, sweetheart, what in the world are you talking about? Christ was a Jew. Maybe we should all be Jewish because he was. If you don’t love Jews, then you are not christian.

    • J. Murphy

      Annie,

      I can’t believe you just called the “Star Of David” satanic..!! That is so wrong. Must I remind you that Jesus was Judean?? He was a Jew, born in Jerusalem. Why would you say that?? The cross is a symbol of how Jesus died, for all of us sinners. Do you hate Jews or their faith, or what?? I’m not Jewish but this was way harsh.

  • Paul Veen

    Tell a lie enough times and not only reporters, but the courts will believe it. The First amendment DOES NOT mandate a separation between church and state, but that CONGRESS shall not pass laws establishing a state religion.

  • patrick

    Question: Is a Swastika a cross that represents a religion? or a political party? Question: What would you rather see along the side of the road, a swastika or a cross? Answer: Now that there is proof that there is a strong connection between Muslims/terrorists and Hitler, and Obammy boy, a Muslim, is trying to overthrow our country and eliminate our Constitution, and our Christian beliefs, you can expect to see the swastika along the sides of roads all across America soon. Keep your eyes open as crosses are replaced with the symbol that Hitler employed!

    • Bob

      Not a Swastika, a hammer and “sickle “.

  • EdinNola

    This is no reaffirmation of anything except the fact that this judge has no respect for his oath of office. There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. This is a gross distortion of the Constitution and I might add, a Communist creation. The Constitution forbids the Congress (by natural extension the Federal Government) from interfering with one’s practice of religion. Exactly what is this, other than an interference with the practice of religion? This case is not and was not within the jurisdiction of the Federal Court System. In fact it commits the “crime” that it proports to remedy. This ruling is NOT legal.

  • SteveB

    ATHIESTS!!!!!……You make me laugh!!!…..There are no Athiests who don’t believe there’s a God. They just refuse to bow to Him. You can’t look in the sky, and at the oceans, and all of creation, and say there’s no God. I suppose they can look at a pasture full of cow dung and say there are no cows,too!!!!
    Separation of church and state??? Indeed! There are matters for the state and matters for the church…that government officials have no authority in and should stay out of. We don’t need another English Colonial government, just like the one our forefathers wrote this constitution to get rid of.

    • Bob

      There are no atheists in foxholes.

      • William

        you’r damned right their wasn’t Bob,

      • Tony

        You’re an idiot Bob. I’ve been there and I’m still an athiest!

      • Bob

        Tony you’re another one of those morons that claim to have been in combat but never were.

      • 45caliber

        You weren’t when someone was shooting at you.

      • Tony

        45caliber,I didn’t have time to give it any thought. I was too busy shooting back. You just don’t get it do you? What you are saying to me would be like me claiming that every time you failed to get a prayer answered you stopped believing in your god. I don’t believe, please get over it!

    • Tony

      Steve, you speak from total ignorance. How can you claim to know anything about what athiests believe. As an athiest I can tell you that I absolutely do not believe in the existance of any god. That does not make me a follower of satan because it is impossible for me to follow that which I do not believe in. I am also a conservative in my beliefs. Look up the definition of conservative and please show me where it says anything about being a christian. I have spent my entire life being ridiculed by so called christians and Americans. The first ammendment allows me to not believe in a god just as much as it allows you to believe in one. I have no issue with any religion as long as it or it’s followers do not try to force themselves on me or anyone else. I have always shown respect and tollerance for someone’s religion but have never received the same respect in return. If Utah wants to use a cross as a symbol to honor a policeman’s death then I have no problem with it. I am neither a liberal or a communist or a socialist, I am an athiest and an American citizen and a veteran, so please understand that I and my sons, the oldest of which gave his life, have fought to protect your rights to be ignorant

      • ValDM

        Tony,

        You claim to be atheist……..where do your moral values come from?
        Please don’t say they are intrinsic, that’s a bunch of bushwa. They come from GOD.

      • Tony

        It dosen’t take a genious or a god to know the difference between right and wrong. Your argument is a weak one ValDM.

      • Lubo

        Tony….You must believe in evolution? If you do, then what separates your KIND and RESPECTFUL nature from other animals? Specifically Ape’s, which is what evolution teaches, that we HUMANS evolved from.

        Since Ape’s KILL and eat their own kind with no remorse, then why is it that you would find that repulsive? If the “Science” of evolution is correct, then why are there still Ape’s running around on planet earth. You mean to tell me that this mysterious “Mother Nature force” selectively chose to evolve one species of the Ape’s but left all others behind?

        You seem to be a good person and I do respect your right as a non-believer. But, please do not cast ALL CHRISTIANS as not being tolerent to your disbelief of GOD.

        I pray that our Gracious Heavenly Father will reveal his SPIRIT to you so you can share in the promise of better things to come.

      • Jim H.

        Tony, I’m not saying that you are, but why are some atheists so afraid of something they don’t believe in? I don’t believe in ghosts,there for, I don’t care, even if some people do. Ghosts, witches and vampires are not a threat to me, Why is a symbol of religion so offensive to some? The cross signifies my religion, but I don’t get upset seeing a Star of David or a statue of Buddha. What is the big deal about a cross marking a fatal accident along a highway?

      • JeffH

        I have to chime in on this. Just because someone is an atheist doesn’t make them a bad person. We’re all allowed the freedom to believe what we believe. What I have a problem with are those atheists(liberals)that believe they can force their will onto our freedom to believe. There is a distinct difference isn’t there?

        It’s a matter of choice, not force, and this ruling is nothing more than the American Atheists and the supporting Anti-Defamation League forcing their beliefs through the courts.

        Everyone needs to remember that this works both ways. FYI, I am not an atheist!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        If it doesn’t take a genius to know right from wrong how come the liberals can’t get it?

        Semper Fie

      • WallStreet

        That’s the problem with christians today. They think they own morality. I am also an atheist but am a moral person. Morals come from the people who raise us and believe that we are obligated, as people of the world, to treat others with respect. I have done that my whole life. Where did you christians get the notion that if you aren’t christian you have no morals?

      • Bruce D.

        I am a big believer in freedom of religion. I also stand with you on this one Tony. Your viewpoint is a legitimate one and it is very well put. I believe that you were in the foxhole as your blog seems sincere to me.

      • Jim

        Tony,
        First thanks to your son for giving the ultimate sacrifice for us. Christ did the same in the same way that we could understand such a great sacrifice which you understand more than the rest of us. Isaiah 53′s 12 verses identifies who Christ is 700 years before he came and fulfilled all that was said here. The probability of anyone being able to do that is conservatively 1 million to one and to scholars who have studied all of this stuff it is 7 trillion to one all using Baysian statistics. Scientific stuff – not ignorance. That is why he left all of the over 200 prophecies to fulfill – no human on earth can do this. We can’t even predict everything that will happen tomorrow. Please don’t feel a false loyalty to family that went on without reconciliation with Christ. Read Luke 16:19 and on and following and you will understand how much your lost family really loves you. The rich mans loved his family but he did not want them following him – he loved them.

      • 45caliber

        Tony:
        THere are two types of atheists.

        1) They do not believe in the existance of any supreme being and could care less what others believe.

        2) They protest because they fear there is a God and want to convert everyone to their religion – atheism.

        If you are signing on here, guess which one you are?

      • Lubo

        Dang!!!!!!!!! Good point my man!

      • vicki

        Well said 45.

        If I were an atheist I would be the type one atheist. I would not care what you choose to believe nor would I try to force you to believe in nothing. I would also not bother to be offended by your belief in something.

      • Tony

        Well I had planned to not return today but after finishing work I thought that I would have a look to see how people were reacting today. Mr. 45caliber, you obviously are no expert on athiests. I fit into neither of your catagories. I really don’t care what you believe in but I am concerned about how people falsley judge me by my lack of belief in a god. I don’t know what religion you claim to be but it’s probably not christianity. If it were you would remember to judge not lest ye be judged.

      • Bob

        Tony is probably agnostic.

      • Tony

        No Bob, I’m an athiest through and through.

  • bob

    when the rapture happens and jesus comes and takes those who are belivers, i wonder what the athiests will say when god unleashes his judgement on those who are left behind. that will wake them up.

    • slickporsche

      They will be doing a lot of begging and lying!

  • Tom

    Why is it that the states do not have a problem when a disaster happens to call on the churches to help. Why is it when a state
    representative dies that the state allows so many state police
    to be involved with the religious funeral. Why is it that the
    states and our government have no problem going to churches to
    campaign for office. Why is it that police offices can park in
    church parking lots to give out speeding tickets. The next time
    the government needs the church, they may get a surprise and the churches tell the government that they can not help due to law suits separating them from government. It a sad day

  • kwullen

    One also needs to understand that the 1st Amendment has NOTHING to do with a STATE sponsoring a religion. It restricts the FEDERAL government from establishing a FEDERALLY required religion and is supposed to restrict the feds from interfering in STATE religious matters. If Utah wants to put crosses up to memorialize it’s fallen officers, the Constitution is supposed to PROTECT that ability, not restrict it.
    Read the 10th Amendment until it’s understood. All power and responsibility not SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED to the federal government is reserved TO the states and the people.
    The judges ruling is exactly 180 degrees wrong. The Constitution guarantees the right for Utah to place the crosses.

    • 63rdpatriot

      Constitution? What’s that? Oh, you mean that piece of paper our wonder “representatives” have been trampling? We don’t need that anymore. We now have a great liar in chief to take care of us, so relax, sit back, and drink the cool-aid.

      • independant thinker

        I’m still waiting for my free bubble up and rainbow stew. The gubment needs to hurry up and start furnishing it so I can quit working and sit on my @$$.

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        What? You mean like GWB said, “It is only a piece of paper.”

    • William

      you are so right kwullen,

    • Lubo

      Kwullen….Well put and I’m not sure why anyone don’t get that.

      • Christin

        Yes, kwullen you are so right. Well said.

        Lubo, many in high positions have changed the language of the constitution and perverted its meaning… and because people aren’t required to learn the Constituion of the United Sates of America and its Amendments anymore people just don’t know the truth.. until maybe now… the ones that are seeking TRUTH in this unjust world.

      • Lubo

        Christin….correct but it is up to us to change that come November and there after.

  • Ed Atkins

    WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT WE CAN’T MIX CHURCH AND STATE>….IT ONLY SAYS THAT THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT MAKE ANY LAWS TELLING YOU WHAT KIND OF RELIGION TO HAVE.—- CROSSES ON THE ROAD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT…..

    • William

      thats right Ed,

    • crystal

      Great comment! At least there are a few people who actually read the Constitution.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Don’t crosses on government property imply government endorsment of Christianity?

      • Lubo

        Doc….I would think no more than the absense of a cross on the side of the road would suggest a government endorsement of existentialism.

      • Doc Sarvis

        …or Nature.

      • Lubo

        Doc….agreed!

      • JeffH

        Doc Sarvis, then I can guess that there should be no crosses standing in the Arlington National Cemetary or any government National cemetaries.

        Am I correct?

      • JeffH

        …based on the judges ruling of “public land” of course.

      • Doc Sarvis

        I’m not sure if you are correct. I believe that they allow any and all religous symbols to mark the graves.

      • Lubo

        Doc…Correct….a wide range of various crosses, head stones and other religous symbols exist within Arlington.

      • 45caliber

        And if you have a family member die on the road, there is no reason you cannot put up some different religious marker to show the place.

      • Lubo

        45 Caliber…..Sounds logical to me!

      • WallStreet

        Yes!

      • JC

        Are you an idiot?
        Does “In God We Trust” ring a bell?
        Our natio….aw forget it, you’re just not worth it.

    • slickporsche

      We have always mixed church and state in the past and that is why we have been so succesful.

    • http://Yahoo Ann

      Yeah!!!!!

  • Kory

    It is dissappointing that the Personal Liberty News Desk seems to support the courts ruling. I will probably unsubscribe to this newsletter as a result

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Kory,

      I don’t know what would make you think we support this ruling. We don’t. I don’t know how long you’ve been a subscriber, but I suggest you search the site for our opinions on religious freedom and the persecution of Christians in our country and you will see that we would never support a ruling of this sort. This article is just giving the facts of the case.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • William

        Bob I have been reading your letter for some time now and will continue readig it because you seem to think more like I do. you could do the people a huge favor by puting a copy of each article of the constitution in each news letter. I have my copy of the constitution,

      • Lubo

        Bob…..Not that this needed to be cleared up but thanks for the post.

        By the way, you do a GREAT job, keep it up.

    • American Citizen

      Where in this article do you see the ruling was supported by the editor? Kory, you must have a comprehension problem.

    • JeffH

      …are you sure your real name isn’t fast eddie47 or duh!nisso?

  • tommy boy

    Lets investigate the funding of the aclu and the adl. How about it nancy?

    • Christin

      Hopefully fancy nancy will be demoted in Jan. if the repubs take the House in Nov.
      Just think of all the money the gov can save with just her not in the third seat of power… NO MORE EXPENSIVE 42 seater military planes for her ONE BUTT.
      CA we are counting on YOU to step up to the plate and vote against lousy pelousy. And fellow Americans, likewise, you should vote against the progressive dems to GET a MAJORITY so we can unseat her.

      • 45caliber

        Christin:
        It isn’t just Nancy! She also loads her daughter, son-in-law, and grandchild on those planes too. After all, she wants them close so she can make sure they do everything her way.

      • Christin

        So 45, you think it is okay for nanc and her small family to have that big expensive plane to travel at our expense??

    • JeffH

      tommy boy, somewhere in all of this you can bet the Soros name is attached.

      • slickporsche

        Yes and he is another one that deserves a revolutionary bullet. Preferably to the brain.

  • patrick

    OK folks, what is it going to take to make you open your eyes? Please take the time to read up on the history of how people in power can take over a country. We are talking about powerfull people like: Hitler, Castro, Chavez, Stalin, Mao, read the letters from the average citizens as they explain in simply words how the slow brainwashings made them believe these men meant well when in fact that was part of their plan to covertly control these people and their children. It has already started to progress right here in River City… the once great United States of America. We must hurry and get organized for the coming revolution. As most of you can see and read each day on these sites, our hopes and dreams, that are friendly politicans will end the Obammy boy disease, is NOT happening. Therefore, it will be up to, “We the People”, to flood the streets in every town in America to eradicate these evil people in power…. before they take control through our military.

    • Bob

      They took over those countries because the citizens were unarmed.

      • 45caliber

        Actually when Hitler took over they were armed. He first educated the Youth Corps (which became the brown shirts and then the SS). Then he got the people to agree to gun registration for safety reasons. And then he sent his brown shirts to collect the guns.

    • slickporsche

      Yes and it also means spilled blood and many deaths, but I am ready, so lets get it started. NO more! I am sure we can count on most of our own military for help and there are those outside the country that would come to our aid.

      • 45caliber

        slick, I still wonder if you aren’t a government agitator who hopes to get someone to agree with you so you can arrest them. If you really want all that, go ahead. No one is stopping you from trying – or won’t until you try.

    • http://Yahoo Ann

      Study the canidates running, be sure they have your views, and get out and vote. This is the best option here is. Hate and discontent got us where we are. Leave race out of it and vote for the best candidate. Lets act like Americans and support our country.

      • WallStreet

        Hear Hear!

      • 45caliber

        And make sure you vote at the polling places. The last election it came out that they don’t bother to count any absentee votes, particularly from the military, unless the vote is contested.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Love you’re Country, but don’t trust this gvt.

  • James L. Jones

    Why do we continue to allow a few idiots to run our country? It time
    we stand up to these people, enough is enough! If they don’t like it,
    leave!

    • William

      James it’s very simple. last election should have shown you we have a huge majority of IDIOTS in this country now,

      • http://Yahoo Ann

        They sure bought a pig in a polk didn’t they. Boy did they ever get change and from a legal president!!!!!

      • blv54

        it’s the public school system that’s causing a lot of this, their convincing the kids that their is no God then they steal their faith by having them read ancient egyptian stuff like Horus the sun god that supposedly did the same things as Jesus only thousands of yrs earlier, I heard they are now saying that teaching your kids Christianity is now child abuse, were in the end times now so this ungodliness will only get worse but we should be fighting these antigod ruling I don’t see anyone doing anything, case in point that cross in the Mojave desert far as I know nobody said anything when they stole it if christians don’t stand up now they will be killing us christians in the not to distant future like they do in other parts of the world.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Put your kids in a Christian based private school. My grandkids go to one and I couldn’t be happier. They’re getting a first class education while learning that there is somethings greater than themselves. Sure it expensive but there are ways. what’s more important than your children’s education?

    • Christin

      Liberal Judges are (eliminating the Constitution and moral traditions and) standing with these “few idiots.”

      No way to get rid of them… unless you can get them to join you in your world view… inwhich case they would be on your side and America’s Freedoms.

      • slickporsche

        You are wrong! A well organized and armed revolution would give us our republic back and it is the only thing that will.

      • WallStreet

        Do we realy have to go through a Civil War again? Is killing to get your way the only thing you can think of? Thank god we have Carl Rove to think up sneaky srategies. Really, if all of you want only people who think like you in your country why don’t you go live in a dictatorship? That way you could have the head of your christian church decide what you should think and do. And you would be happy, because you would never be confronted with people who think differently. Utterly boring!

      • 45caliber

        We are living in one, or very close to one. And the leader is your kind of man.

      • Lubo

        45……Well said, but he will never see it! Sheeple I think is the word.

      • Christin

        I don’t know, slickporsche.
        Most days I think it will come to that and we are preparing for all hell to break loose (2011-2012), but I also believe that the gov and those really running things have thought that through already and they are preparing, too. Remember they have called US terrorists and have made laws in their 2000 page bills and Homeland Sec to deal with us… loss of jobs & housing… martial law… camps… property grab… food & water shortage… deliberate swine flu outbreaks… pick your crisis. We are not organized and I think they will have many who will be their brown shirts and give you and the rest of us a bigger bloody fight than you may think.
        What say you?

      • Bob

        Why do you call Communists Liberals?

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Bob: you’re right. Social Progressives-Communists is a more accurate term.

  • Marilyn

    THE SOB’s won again! And Americans wonder what is wrong with our country!

    • 45caliber

      They haven’t completely won yet. There are three of those crosses on private ground and the judge ruled that those were okay. The others will probably be moved to private ground directly behind the place they are now. And at least one man has already erected more to replace them. (see wnd.com)

  • Ron

    May God Bless you all for your Comments. The ACLU, the American Atheists and the Anti-Defamation League can all go to Hell! The judge should be disbarred from ever practicing law again.

    • Janet

      The anti-Christ bunch will end up in hell and they are trying to bring there kingdom here….let us pray to our heavenly Father….thy kingdom come, they will be done on earth as it is in heaven!!!

      • Christin

        Amen, Janet, Amen.

    • William

      AMEN RON AMEN,

    • WallStreet

      Why? Because he feels that there is a place for crosses, and it is in cemetaries?

    • 45caliber

      Ron,
      Don’t worry. They probably all will unless they get an epifany and change. And I pray all of them do.

  • K. D. M.

    I’d put those crosses up anyway. Pretty sad that the foolish few get to dictate what the majority can and can not do. Next we’ll be told we can’t pray at all any where not even in our own homes. The Athiests are working for Satan.

    • WallStreet

      Really? I’m rich, I’m powerful, I’m Rebublican, and I am an atheist. So what. Am I working for satan? Don’t think so. I did this the good old American way. Pulled myself up by my bootstraps to get here and I feel entitled to believe any way I feel like believing.

      • JeffH

        WallStreet, I doubt you’re any of the above with exception to the atheist. I can only guess you must have an attention deficit disorder.

      • 45caliber

        And does that make you better than everyone else? Or anyone else for that matter? I chose family and a better life to getting rich. I suspect I’m far happier than you are. I can count and enjoy grandkids instead of counting and enjoying dead dollar bills.

        Actually, I feel sorry for you.

      • Lubo

        ditto to that!

      • PJ

        Rich, powerful, republican and atheist and you think that entitles you to deprecate the traditions of this nation. The foundation of our nation is the concept of individual sovereignty and the free exercise of our inalienable rights as human beings. We are each free to exercise our rights unless by exercising those rights we infringe upon another individuals free exercise of their rights. Please note that simply viewing another person’s religious symbol, while aggravating or possibly insulting, does not constitute infringement upon your rights. Nowhere in the constitution is there a protection from the occasional contact with offensive symbols in the public sphere.

        Death site crosses are memorials to individuals who have given their lives in service to he rest of us. The cross or star are symbols of the faith these fallen heroes lived by. You do not have to follow those beliefs nor should you be insulted by the monument. If you propose a symbol for atheist who die in the line of duty it becomes a de facto religious symbol whether you choose to admit it or not. The absence of religious faith is a profession of faith in a different belief system. Failure to scientifically confirm the existence of the soul or god does not constitute scientific proof that god or souls do not exist. None of us know the truth until we take leave of this existence.

        In this nation we are supposed to respect the rights of all persons regardless of the repulsiveness of their beliefs. We extend respect to the most heinous criminal yet you would not allow the simple courtesy of respecting a dead man’s faith. If you are truly a Republican then perhaps we should revoke your membership as you can not respect the rights of your fellow citizens.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        unfortunately all your money and power won’t buy you a soul or a ticket to heaven. I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes when you meet your maker.

  • Jim H.

    Alot of people just must have alot of spare time on there hands if they have time to go to court to complain about crosses along side the road. Those markers are left by family’s that lost a loved one, let them grieve in peace. How cold hearted can the Anti-Defamation League be?

    • Doc Sarvis

      Jim H.
      I agree; A lot of people just must have a lot of spare time on there hands if they have time to go to court to complain about crosses along side the road or complain about a muslim prayer center in a city.

      • libertytrain

        Doc these are not apple to apple comparisons. More like an apple and a rotten egg.

      • Bob

        There have been crosses along highways for decades. It must have something to do with police officers.

      • Christin

        It has something to do with making a GODLESS AMERICA.

        The radical left fring is emboldened by their radical marxist leader.
        A few scream and the gov changes normal, moral traditions for the whole population to appease a few intolerant unGodly types.

        Got to get rid of a Holy God and ALL images of His reminder to us so “the people” can fall into the hands of Godless gov and do as their told by the dictator and not the real God, our Father.

        When you get rid of God, you get rid of Faith in Christ and REAL Hope… then the people will let you lead them to the slaughter.
        BOOM …dark ages again.

      • 45caliber

        Christin:
        That is exactly why Stalin and Lenin wanted to get rid of religion and banned it there. They want the people to turn to the government (them) for all answers. I’m sure they wanted to do just like the Emperors of Rome did and declare themselves God but were afraid too many of the rest of us would either laugh at them or drop them into a hole somewhere.

    • William

      Jim a better question would be how STUPID are they and the judges who rule in their favor? and when are the damned sorry politicians going to get some backbone and say to these IDIOTS. you were not elected by the people to make law from the bench. hell most of them dont know how to interpret the law as this judge proved in his stupid ruling,

    • Will

      Jim, these people don’t care about anything but their own agenda. They don’t have any REAL values. It’s time for people like us to actually fight fire with fire. Political correctness is killing us, and I’m ashamed that it began in the U.S.

    • slickporsche

      Very Cold! They only worry about minority groups.

    • http://Yahoo Ann

      I agree, wonder if these folks are working or are drawing welfare??

    • WallStreet

      What would it look like if everyone put a cross on the roadside in order to commemorate their lost loved ones? These symbols have a place reserved for them. It’s called a cemetery.

      • 45caliber

        It serves as a very nice warning to others that someone died there and they could too if they aren’t careful.

  • Claire

    American Athiests brought about the case–wonder who the judge was?

    • hflashman

      The judge was a wise jurist who gave the correct ruling as to seperation of church and state…why ?

      The Cross is a religious symbol, and was used not to denote any of the beliefs of the fallen, but to signify a symbol of state approval for a particular religious influence denoting a death. Any non religious symbol could have been used…a sheriff’s star for example. Nope…some unfeeling person decided to use a religious symbol and give an aura of state approval for that religion … thus the result being the correct ruling.

      I just wish people would keep it personal and quit trying to push thier religous beliefs onto others, and quit trying to turn this Nation into a theocracy.

      • Bob

        I don’t know why you commies are afraid of a cross. When I travel down a highway and see a cross I think of the person that died there, not where he went to church.

      • Bruce D.

        I agree with what you say. I do not think many if any think about religion. People like to make the Constitution say things it does not say. Someone interprets it the way they want to and others follow that interprtation as if they belonged to some mindless cult.

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        I agree with you Bob. Besides, I believe that it is the family of the deceased who puts those crosses and ‘other’ wreaths to show that they have not forgotten the loved one they lost. And maybe to remind the rest of us drivers to beware, the next one could be theirs.

      • Janet

        Christians have the right to use a cross, to take that away is taking away their liberties. If you don’t like it, don’t look!!

      • Will

        Janet, I fully agree with you. The U.S. was founded upon Christian principles, with Judaism thrown in, and the reason for the “separation” that people talk about is so the state cannot control the Church, or vice-versa. It has been distorted to fulfil people’s needs, or wants.

      • hflashman

        Hey…part of my taxes paid for the property which that religious symbol sits upon. I in no way want the State to give any aura of support or legitimaxcy to ANY religion. And yes, that includes my beliefs.

        What is it about religious zealots who insist they should have their way and have thier religion paramount, and everyone else doesn’t matter?

        Would you have the same opinion if it were the Star of David being used exclusively? Or the Crescent of Islam? Another symbol of Christianity…say the symbol of Satan (which is 100% christian BTW)?

        GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF RELIGION ! It has no reason being involved in any way, shape, or form.

      • GenEarly

        Start chipping that “religious’ stuff off the front of the US Supreme Court too! I just can’t understand how stupid the Founding Fathers and our ignorant fore bearers were. Finally the age of enlightenment of the Obamanation has arrived !! Oh, there’s more chipping to be done at the Jefferson Memorial too! Maybe like in the good old days of the Taliban Rule in Afghanistan we could just dynamite the offending images!

      • libertytrain

        GenEarly – another great comparison – get rid of all that history, artful or not, JUST LIKE THE TALIBAN – why not?

      • Lubo

        hflasman…..you mean you actually work and pay taxes?

      • Dan Burke

        And I don’t the state to use my money for abortions. According to my beliefs that is murder. So where does that leave us? You don’t want crosses because that upsets you. And I don’t want abortions because that upsets me….

        I just read an article where a community is trying to force a church to remove their cross. This isn’t a highway symbolic gesture to fallen officers on public land. This is a private church on private property. This is your future. Now you may be fine with government getting to the point where it restricts all religious symbols from sight. But what if you have a “change of heart” and find yourself yearning for more religion in your life and all around you? You might call it freedom now but if you change your ways you will find it to be oppression. That is where we find ourselves. If we value our freedom of religion then they must defend others freedom of religion too. So if I were driving through a community that instead honored their fallen through erecting shrines to Buddha, should I be offended or respect that?

      • Bruce D.

        Other people pay taxes also that do not share your religious intolerance. The founders that wrote the constitution did not share your religious intolerance. It was meant to protect people of all faith from people of your bent for religious intolerance.

      • Bruce D.

        hflashman your fear of crosses makes you sound like you are some kind of a delusional vampire. Do you only come out at night and have a fear of light?

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        The real reason that the Ten Commandments aren’t allowed in court houses is because it forbids lying and stealing. That creates a hostile work enviroment for judges and lawyers.

      • Mai Ling Allen

        Hey hflashman,

        what part of the 1st amendment phase of: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” don’t you understand.

        The Constitutions says the government “CAN NOT PROHIBIT the free exercise” of relgion. But is spite of what the constitution says, the judge here has ruled that the gov’t can prohibit the free exercise of relgion. If you run with that idea – it will mean that the government can also prohibit you exercise of free speech if it does not like what you say, or the freedom to assmeble if it does nto like why you assemble and so forth. When you try to prohibit the freedom of others, you are setting the ground for others to prohibit your own freedoms. Freedom is a double edged sword.

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        Now you are trying to deny others of their beliefs and religious freedom. Get off your band wagon. You do & believe what you want to believe and the rest of us will do the same.

        Like Janet said, you don’t like it, don’t look ! And “you” are not the only one who’s tax dollars went along side that road. You sound so childish and inmature in your logic!

      • J.M.R.

        JANET YOUR HIT THE NAIL ON HEAD

      • hflashman

        If you don’t like it..then figure out where to put it so it’s not on public property. What’s wrong with that? How about a Crescent…or a wiccan symbol right nest to your precious cross? You ok with that?

      • 45caliber

        flash:

        It is fine with me to have them there instead of a cross … if the person worshipped that. Check Arlington National Cemetary. If you are some other religion and buried there they will put up the symbol of your religion. I’m not sure what the atheist symbol is, however. What do you want put on your grave? Oh, I forgot. You can’t be buried at Arlington, can you?

      • vicki

        I’m fine with that as I do not fear the symbols of other religious beliefs. Not even the “dread” 666. People are far more dangerous then symbols of people.

      • kate8

        flash, How do you feel about taxpayers paying for footbaths, special prayer rooms and time excused for the 5 times a day prayer schedule?

        This is typical liberal pandering. Glorifying the “underdog” and deriding and bashing the majority. It’s their way of recruiting useful idiots.

      • Lubo

        t Kate8……Boy that is an understatement!

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        Get a life! And let others live theirs as they choose. That public ground belongs to all of us, not just people like you.

      • Christin

        Oh, flashman, shut your yapper.
        Ain’t nobody trying to push nothin’ on you dude.

        Crosses on road sides just sit there.
        Their not MAKING you believe in God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit.
        They are a symbol that EVERYONE recognizes as a death.

        Obviously atheists (there are not so many of them here in America yet) are reminded of their denial of God and the sacrifice Jesus made… the truth probably makes their soul squirm and they have to quick get rid of the symbols so they can continue to not see what their spirit is convicting them of.

        If you chose hell so be it man. Don’t deny anyone else.

        As usual the progressive gov is OVER STEPPING their bounds of the Constitution.

      • 45caliber

        Christin:

        Actually I think that people like flash are frightened that they are wrong about there being no God like they say. Because if they are wrong (and I certainly believe they are) they end up in a place they don’t want to see. I think the real reason they are so determined to prevent us from showing any religion is that they hope by doing so they will either be able to kill God or at least get enough people to go their way that they will have plenty of company.

      • 63rdpatriot

        Don’t worry about him. He’ll have eternity in hell to think about it….

      • hflashman

        Hell is a christian belief. You may go there…you may not. I may go there, i may not. If you’re wrong…then I’ve had a heck of a lot more fun that you have had (without feeling guilty about it :)

      • Lubo

        hflasman….I’m confused? You mean you are a happy and joyful person? You could have fooled me! You seem to be a person that has a lot of pent up anger towards your fellow man. Especially someone who would dare disagree with YOUR opinions. You call that FUN????

        Seems to me you are already serving your sentence!

      • 45caliber

        Perhaps so, flash. But I certainly doubt you’ll have more fun that I do. But I’d much rather believe in God and live a moral life and then find out I’m wrong after I die than I would to not believe in God and find out I was wrong after I die. Eternity is far longer than the “fun” you think you are having now. And if I’m right rather than you, I’ll have fun while you sizzle.

        And, no, I don’t hate you. If anything, it’s contempt.

      • vicki

        Pascal’s wager. Wise choice. :)

      • JC

        Spoken like a true communist. You and your kind of thinking should be eradicated from these United States, a Christian nation that tolerates the right to worship in any way seen fit by all individuals.
        Not good enough for the commies though. They are totalitarian control freaks with zero tolerance for anyone who chooses to step outside their ant hill menatlity.

      • hflashman

        Eradicated? Really? Now there’s a true Christian belief for you. So just because I stand for separation of church and state I’m an atheist? Really? And because I choose to fight the attempts to turn us into a theocracy…i’m a communist? Serious?

        Why doesn’t everyone tell what sect of Christianity they are…right now. Tell it for all to read. Then tell us which guidlines from which sect we should adhere to since one “must’ be right and the others wrong.

        That’s the road you’re asking for. After the ‘eradication’ of those who dare say your reilgion ain’t a concern for the State … we can all have a religious civil war.

      • crystal

        Where in the Constitution does it state “Separation of Church and State.”

      • GenEarly

        What symbol would YOU use? The BIG O from obama? Or a secular Red Star ?
        You can’t and won’t protest the Crescent and Star because the muslims will kill you. And you are a chicken at heart who can only bully the “turn the other cheek” crowd.I only wish I could see your whimpering self on your knees in front of islamic justice, about to lose your head. But alas, if that comes to pass I will be long gone along with the Christians you so despise, so you will be all alone to meet your just deserved fate, INFIDEL !!!

      • Lubo

        Hflasman…As usual, you seem to be a litte bit confused. I think you have the Bible and Christ confused with the koran and the intentions of the nation of islam. Since you make an issue with all the different sects of my Faith, name me how many religious civil wars we have on record, in America, bewteen those sects?

        By the way, latest word on the Mosque is that the Governor has offered up the tax payers money to assist in the construction of the mosque, if they agree to relocate it. How do you “Feel” about that? I say “Feel” because obviously you are incapable of THINKING.

      • Bruce D.

        Why don’t you start it off and let us know where your coming from or are you just against freedom of religion in general with no religious belief of your own with the wish to eradicate all religion from this country.

      • vicki

        Why Hf do you want to give us so much power over you? Should we choose we could march around you and your house and or work all carrying crosses and proclaiming our faith. You say that offends you. Doesn’t that give you full control to NOT be offended? Why would you give us that kind of power over you by your choice to be offended?

      • JC

        Your Church and State argument is so thin as to be non-existent.
        What you’re advocating is “intolerance” period. If a Sherriff’s department wants to honor one of their fallen Christian policemen in a Christian manner, who the hell are you that moron of a judge or anyone else to say it’s wrong?
        Nobody! That’s who.
        Get your intolerant, control freak, communist ass located where it might be appreciated….which is NOT in the USA.

      • thinking

        hflash?
        yes we need to remove all christian symbols. From now on the letter “t” cannot be used as it is a cross use an x insxead and we need to xake oux of xhe dicxionary any words xhax represenx chrisxian words and we need to xake oux any reference xo xhe bible, church and love, as these are all chrisxian xools. hflash? we can win xhis war againsx the real enemy of the world, righx!

      • Christin

        Great come back, thinking.
        You missed “xhese” and a couple “xhe”s, but that’s okay as I like the ‘t.”

      • JC

        What the hell…while we’re at it ~ “Death to adverbs” Yosarrian.

      • coal miner

        Adverbs?

        http://www.esldesk.com/grammar/adverbs – 22k – Similar pages

      • JeffH

        coal dunnger is a little slow with his dim wit!

      • JC

        Jeff knows…it’s a “Catch 22″ thing. ;)

      • independant thinker

        You cannot use x either, it is used to represent Christ in the shortened version of Christmas X-mas.

      • Christin

        No, you can use the X is means CROSS OUT. Using the “X” (as was the case in the olden days) is not a good thing and I DO NOT use it. They used the X in X-Mas for…Christmas… so they DIDN”T HAVE TO WRITE the word “CHRIST.” Take the time to write CHRISTMAS!!!

      • vicki

        Can’t use X. That is a cross too. Oh and capital T and + are outta there.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_cross

        And this is just some of the Christian religious symbols. There are lots of other religious symbols out there too.

      • Gary

        What is it that all you atheists are afraid of? You do not believe in GOD, so what does it hurt for there to be a religious symbol erected somewhere? If the symbol is erected over or near where someone was killed or where their remains lay it is a reflection of that individuals beliefs, not what they expect you to beleive.

        You may think a man to be a fool to believe in God. Believe me I think you are a fool not to. The differeence is most of us understand that you are free to believe in nothing at all, just as I am free to believe in anything I choose.

        The Constitution promises freedom “OF” religion,not freedom from it. I don’t see how having a cross standing in a field or on the side of the road is pushing you to believe anything. At most it should just remind you that your beliefs whish are shared by some people, are different from the beliefs of many others. I think that it is people like you that have a fundamental misunderstanding of what freedom is.

        You say that you just wish people would just keep it personal. To those individuals the markers represent, it is personal.
        It is about them. It is not about you.

        Personally I wish you all would just shut up and mind your own business.

      • Jim

        Gary,

        You have accurately discerned the issue. IT is personal and their religion is personal. IF they were Jewish a star of david might be placed there. If you are an atheist a circular wire might be placed there symbolizing NOTHING which is what is in an atheist’s head.

      • 45caliber

        Actually Atheism IS a religion. It is even recognized by the government as such. That is one reason I get annoyed with them. They want to eliminate OUR religion to foster their own. And the government is ignoring it.

      • hflashman

        Who said i don’t believe in god? You guys did because….I favor no State intrusion into religion. Or complete equal treatment for ALL religions (then you can harp on how the Krishnas are taking taxpayer funds..or the Protestants being favored over Methodists, or how Catholics get favored treatment)

        Funny how one disagrees with any state aura of authenticity with any religion one is automoatcially cast as a communist, or an atheist, or a muslim etc. Jeesh….this board alone is proof enough to keep religion OUT OF government policy…

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Is your God the same one as Karolyn’s ? you know, the one with two heads and right arms. I believe it’s a Hindu thing.

      • wildbill (abn)

        gary
        right on.
        the big mouths should stand in the gas chamber at Dachau and reflect how a hatred of any and all religions set the stage for these extermination camps, not only the jews but christians and non-belivers alike were introduced to xyclon-b gas. they don’t want anyone to judge them for the things they do and the cross convicts them.
        leave me alone and i’ll leave you alone!!!

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        Well Said. Couldn’t have said it any better myself, or anyone else for that matter.

      • 45caliber

        Gary:

        They SAY they don’t believe a God exists – but I think most secretly fear that there is one and hope by getting everyone else to deny God too that He’ll go away and leave them alone. I really think that they are going to find out how wrong they were. Particularly vocal ones like flash who might turn someone else away from God.

      • http://www.danbagan.com Dan Bagan

        Wasn’t it the Romans that first introduced the cross as a barbaric way of killing someone slowly?

        As a Canadian I watch the news each day and marvel how our countries are positioning themselves for great judgement by the one true God. I’m amazed at what we tolerate in the name of “freedom of religion” when each day the very beliefs and principles that once made North America great are striped beyond the point of recognition.

        We have not even begun to see the fallout that will cause every knee to bow and proclaim Jesus as Lord!

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        AMEN.

      • crystal

        You’re an ass.

      • http://tynott44@yahoo.com Forrest Turner

        Hi!

        My Teacher is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. He is Omnicient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent. What are the qualifications of your teacher(s)?

        Forrest

      • Christin

        I’m with you on that one Forrest.

        I know who hung the stars and gives us life.

      • hflashman

        Your guy calls my guys for advice and direction. How’s that for qualifications? (Prove me wrong)

      • Lubo

        hflashman….”Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not yet seen.”

        Your proof will come and it is unstopable.

        “Who knows the mind of GOD that he may instruct him?”

        Are your saying you do and that you give GOD direction?

        Just curiuos but I would THINK before I put something like that in writing.

      • 45caliber

        flash:
        I haven’t the slightest idea of what or who you are talking about. Go away.

      • American Citizen

        Flashman, who’s forcing you to believe anything at all? We are all free to believe as we will. The crosses are a memorial, not forcing anyone to believe anything other than someone died in the line of duty. We even see them along the side of a road when an ordinary citizen at the point of an auto accident where someone died. It’s a reminder to watch how you drive for one thing.

        As for atheists, they’re trying to force us all to believe as they do, in nothing. But God will have the last word.

      • hflashman

        no one is forcing you to believe in anything ..as long as its not being used on public property or a State purpose. What is so frippin’ hard with understanding that concept? The topic today was a cross on PUBLIC property. Then it denigrated to where everyone wants Christianity to be THE religion of this Nation…i.e. a Theocracy akin to any ME country. Is that what everyone wants?

        Then which sect of Christianity should we have as the one the State approves of?

        I’ve been told to burn in hell for what? Because I don’t want the state meddling in religious affairs and giving an aura of approval to a certain religion?

        You want to worship in your own way with your own beliefs? Fine…go for it. But don’t foist it on me.

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        Public Property “belongs” to the people of this country, or county, or city. So, if majority rules, your outnumbered in your thoughts and feelings. You can certainly tell what generation YOU come from!

      • JeffH

        This liberal hack speaks the words of a satanist.

      • Lubo

        JeffH….AGREED!

      • slickporsche

        Sorry fool, but this nation was built on Christianity even though you do not like it. It is ok for them to put up a cross for fallen troopers, because the are probably Chritians like most are. THe minority needs to stay the minority. I think that would also mean you! It was also a very kind and considerate thing to do for the families of these troopers.

        NOW here is the real kicker. I am totally offended, by a Mosque anywhere in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I am also totally offended by Muslims existing in My country. They do not belong in a Christian based society and neither do Athiests. I also belong to the majority and that is going to count again in a big way. The day of the minorities taking precedence over the majority, is rapidly coming to a close and you can take that to the bank.The number of people who are willing to spill their own blood for the preservation of our republic is growing.

      • J. Murphy

        slickporsche,

        You believe as many Americans do right now. Some people who have made statements above seem to want to split hairs concerning the Christian religion. We have many sects of Christianity in the U.S. I am a Christian but I choose no particular church. My church is “God”. There may be little tiffs between the different Christian religions but none of them try to shove it down someone else’s throat. As long as a person believes in God & his teachings, I don’t care what church they belong to.

        If that Highway Patrolman was of the Jewish faith & the Star Of David was placed there instead of a cross, I would not object. Maybe the Dept. of Highway Patrol could get permission from whoever owns the land closest to where this man died, & ask their permission to erect the cross right there. Then the idiot atheist couldn’t do a damn thing about it. Just a suggestion. I don’t condone what the court did.

        Atheists can not & never will take God from any of us. They just like making noise like a spoiled child trying to get their own way. Don’t give them that power. Don’t even justify their existence. God will take care of them in his way. We need do nothing.

        As far as Muslims go, it’s not their religion that’s a problem. It’s Islam & Sharia laws. They don’t know anything but that. Their religion forbids them to read a Christian Bible. Literally. They fear their laws.
        They won’t be open minded & think for themselves. I think we all wish they would leave our country.
        If Muslims want freedom of religion, etc. they should start in their own countries & change the ancient laws made by “Man” not God. Muhammed was not a prophet. He was just a greedy insignificant person & if you read many parts of their beloved Koran, you can tell much of it is made up by a “man” to give power to “men” & are definitely not the words of “God or Allah”. Just a bunch of chickens pecking at the sand. Don’t know which direction to go, ever. Want to have nightmares? Google Mosques in the United States.

      • J. Murphy

        slickporsche,

        You believe as many Americans do right now. Some people who have made statements above seem to want to split hairs concerning the Christian religion. We have many sects of Christianity in the U.S. I am a Christian but I choose no particular church. My church is “God”. There may be little tiffs between the different Christian religions but none of them try to shove it down someone else’s throat. As long as a person believes in God & his teachings, I don’t care what church they belong to.

        If that Highway Patrolman was of the Jewish faith & the Star Of David was placed there instead of a cross, I would not object. Maybe the Dept. of Highway Patrol could get permission from whoever owns the land closest to where this man died, & ask their permission to erect the cross right there. Then the idiot atheist couldn’t do a damn thing about it. Just a suggestion. I don’t condone what the court did.

        Atheists can not & never will take God from any of us. They just like making noise like a spoiled child trying to get their own way. Don’t give them that power. Don’t even justify their existence. God will take care of them in his way. We need do nothing.

        As far as Muslims go, it’s not their religion that’s a problem. It’s Islamic laws. They don’t know anything but that. Their religion forbids them to read a Christian Bible. Literally. They fear their laws.
        They won’t be open minded & think for themselves. I think we all wish they would leave our country.
        If Muslims want freedom of religion, etc. they should start in their own countries & change the ancient laws made by “Man” not God. Muhammed was not a prophet. He was just a greedy insignificant person & if you read many parts of their beloved Koran, you can tell much of it is made up by a “man” to give power to “men” & are definitely not the words of “God or Allah”. Just a bunch of chickens pecking at the sand. Don’t know which direction to go, ever. Want to have nightmares? Google Mosques in the United States.

      • J. Murphy

        slickporsche,

        You believe as many Americans do right now. Some people who have made statements above seem to want to split hairs concerning the Christian religion. We have many sects of Christianity in the U.S. I am a Christian but I choose no particular church. My church is “God”. There may be little tiffs between the different Christian religions but none of them try to shove it down someone else’s throat. As long as a person believes in God & his teachings, I don’t care what church they belong to.

        If that Highway Patrolman was of the Jewish faith & the Star Of David was placed there instead of a cross, I would not object. Maybe the Dept. of Highway Patrol could get permission from whoever owns the land closest to where this man died, & ask their permission to erect the cross right there. Then the idiot atheist couldn’t do a damn thing about it. Just a suggestion. I don’t condone what the court did.

        Atheists can not & never will take God from any of us. They just like making noise like a spoiled child trying to get their own way. Don’t give them that power. God will take care of them in his way. We need do nothing.

        As far as Muslims go, it’s not their religion that’s a problem. It’s Islamic laws. They don’t know anything but that. Their religion forbids them to read a Christian Bible. Literally. They fear their laws.
        They won’t be open minded & think for themselves. I think we all wish they would leave our country.
        If Muslims want freedom of religion, etc. they should start in their own countries & change the ancient laws made by “Man” not God. Muhammed was not a prophet. He was just a greedy insignificant person & if you read many parts of their beloved Koran, you can tell much of it is made up by a “man” to give power to “men” & are definitely not the words of “God or Allah”. Just a bunch of chickens pecking at the sand. Don’t know which direction to go, ever. Want to have nightmares? Google Mosques in the United States.

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        Thank you. Very well said and very well put.

      • Earl

        I really do tire of telling people on this website that the “separation of church and state” is NOT in the Constitution! It is simply a reference to the **Danbury statement to the baptists**…Do look it up and you will find that is the origin of the “separation” confusion. The 1st amendment simply says “Congress shall make no LAW respecting the establishment of religion”. Simple enough a moron could understand it. Why can’t you AND all the other misquoters out there……………..!

      • hflashman

        I realize that is what it says. Any law touching on any religion gives that religious sect the aura of authority over all others. so what would be the line? There is none. The answer? No intrusion whatsoever.

        What’s wrong with that? Can’t christianity stand by itself or does it need State authority to be legitimate?

      • 45caliber

        flash: Your religion (atheism) is trying to do just what you insist is wrong in other religions. You are trying to convert everyone.

      • vicki

        A cross, sitting on the side of the road is not a law.

      • http://Yahoo Ann

        Who is trying to push religion on other?? Good question. What religion are you. Are you an American citizen? Where does the Bill of Rights and our Constitution come in??? Good questions, right?

      • blv54

        for hundreds o yrs we’ve had christian symbols in this country there everywhere and just all of a sudden after all this time it’s offensive, that would be because the antichrist is getting ready to come to power and he won’t feel comfy with crosses around, same as obama won’t give a speech with christian symbols behind him, gee I wonder if no couldn’t be.

      • ronnie

        “hflashman”….

        “I just wish people would keep it personal and quit trying to push”.. thier SEXUAL beliefs down mine, and OUR CHILDREN’S throat! A public school will FORCE HOMOSEXUALITY and MUSLIM upon our children in the name of “tolerance” while taking away the religious freedom of Christians.(The FOUNDATION of America’s FREEDOMS!)

      • RWS

        hflashman, why do you feel that a cross on the road is trying to push someone’s religous beliefs on you? If you see a cross, it most certainly doesn’t force you to believe in Christianity does it? You obviously think for yourself and it shouldn’t influence you one way or another right? I think the ruling is incorrect and inconsistent with the constitution. Then again, maybe you are feeling compelled by these signs as if someone or something is always pursuing you in a very persistent manner. Revelation 3:20 “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.” I think God is always pursuing you. Try to go through one day and count how many times God, or Jesus or church comes up. Whether in the news, on TV shows, in conversations, anything. I think you’ll notice, it’s quite a bit. He is actively pursuing you.

      • PATRIOTIC INFIDEL

        YOU ARE AN IDIOT! I GUESS YOU CANNOT READ A SIMPLE ARTICLE….. YOU MUST BE A PRODUCT OF “NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND” AND YOU WERE! THE STATE CONFIRMS THE RELIGION OF THE FALLEN OFFICER BEFORE THE MAKING OF THE MARKER IDIOT! SO I GUESS YOU WANT ALL THE CROSSES IN CEMETARIES BROUGHT DOWN ALSO!? HOW ABOUT CROSSES ON ALL CHRISTIAN CHURCHES!?
        RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT YOU A-HOLES BECAUSE YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN ANYTHING! SO TELL ME WHAT DO YOU SAY DURING SEX..
        “OH ______ I THINK I AM *&%$#%@!
        IF ALL YOU LIB’S DON’T LIKE THIS CHRISTIAN NATION THEN LEAVE! NOW!

    • William

      Clair he was just another educated IDIOT,

    • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

      claire the Judge Evadently is a non Suporter of the U S Constitution as are the Athiests Are Unles it Suports there Agenda Just like the Obama Dictatorship the FIRST admendment dose not i REPETE NOT SAY church and state is to Be Seperate.that is Just another FED Government LIE the First Admendment Clearly Sayes this and Only this it saysFIRST Admendment in the Bill of rights 1.the people has the right to freedom of speech and the freedom of religion and there are to be no Laws None Nata To be made to Infrenge Upon these Rights Even the So Called Hate Crime Law that Obummer Thinks he Inacted .It is A Deffent Attempt to Infringe Upon your Alenated rights to Freedom of Speech.

      • http://Yahoo Ann

        Good reply!!!

    • WallStreet

      So in other words if the case goes against your way of thinking then the judge must be an atheist or a muslim?

      • vicki

        No. Just mis-informed :)

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        it would seem so. Or else he’s just a piss-poor judge, or worse an Demorat activist setting on the bench. I wonder if he took an oath to defend the Constitution ?

  • s c

    The way America is headed, it won’t be long before Uncle Scam gets bold enough to tell church members what they can and can’t say and do in church. As a matter of fact, Nancy Pelosi doesn’t hesitate to parrot that insanity.
    I sympathize with the Utah Highway Patrol and all family members of those who died while on duty. This is what we can expect from now on from Uncle Scam and his ‘constitutional protectors.’
    It is inevitable that Uncle Scam will, when it’s ‘convenient,’ make his move. The old fart will prove to America that the so-called separation of church and state is a whimsical ‘state of mind’ and that since HE makes all the rules, America’s churches must bow to his enlightened ways and his
    ‘benign’ omnipotence.

    • JeffH

      I’ll remind that the O’man is upholding one campaign promise…to bring “fundamental change” to America if he where elected.
      Well folks, I hope you’re all proud of this transformation taking place in the good ole US of A. I’d even bet that you all thought his idea of change was for politics in DC with both a fiscally responsible Federal government and elected representative who would use common sense while staunchly upholding our Constitution. Little did we know that the little progressive disease would infect the very traditions that were instumental in the building of this great nation.

      Never, in most Americans wildest dreams did you think, not even for one moment, that what President Obama actually had in mind, was in fact a radical shift in everything our country and Constitution stands for by leading all of us down a path of Marxist/Socialist/communist policies that historically has been repeatedly proven as oppressive and has always failed.

      The American Dream has now become just a Bad Dream and a lot of wonderful memories.

      The time for discussion is over fellow Americans. Either sh#t or get off the pot. Bet your a$$ that change is in the air and I’m placing my bets on the American Patriots, not the Marxist/socialist/communist progressives, to stand tall when the smoke clears.

      • JeffH

        When I see a cross, marker or even flowers on the side of a road or highway a moment of sadness comes over me because I realize that someone has lost loved ones and that someone probably died. Obviously some don’t give a hoot. Where is all that love and compassion that some of these people so staunchly preach about. I’ve always thought they were full of themselves and something like this ruling just reinforces that thought.

      • libertytrain

        JeffH – when I read this article I got to thinking about all the crosses at all the Veteran Cemeteries here, like Arlington National Cemetery (in this country you get your choice of faith emblems on your stone), and those throughout Europe – that hold our soldiers remains – and these in Europe are marked with a simple white cross – does this mean that all those crosses have to be removed because of religious implications? So confusing – whatever are judges thinking or not thinking these days?

      • William

        libertytrain most of the judges dont think, they react. and it’s apparent this judge reacted. he didn’t think. and he hasn’t read the constitution. if he had he would not have made the STUPID decision he made. dearheart get a copy of the constitution and read it. the constitution says nothing at all about seperation of church and state. it does say the state shall make no rules governing the church,

      • libertytrain

        not to worry, I do have a copy of the Constitution – apparently the judges these days do not.

      • GenEarly

        What a wonderful idea for an obama stimulus program ! Getting rid of all the crosses and stars on all the veterans graves world wide ! That’s a lot of WORK and stimulus too. And Tony will be first in line because he doesn’t want to offend the religion of peace that cuts off peoples heads or stones them to death (all for their own good of course)

      • libertytrain

        GenEarly – more stimulating the economy – bring all those soldiers home to rest in their own country -

      • J.M.R.

        IF THE CROSSES ARE ON PRIVATE LAND WHERE DOES THIS COMMIE JUDGE GET OFF THATS IT ILLEGAL. CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS FOR ME

      • J.M.R.

        SORRY I MISS RAD THE THE LAND AREA

      • Francine

        And what of the symbolism of the Mosque two short blocks from Ground Zero? Does that building NOT represent – IN GLARING GOLD – the muslum religion, Islam – purveyors of control & violence – on a public street? Where are the American Atheists in NY? Where is the ADL in NY? This is America – a country built on Christian beliefs and religious diversity. How is it okay to build a mosque – but not display a cross? We can’t display the Ten Commandments in a public courthouse or wish someone Merry Christmas – but we can have muslims lay down in airports to pray twice a day?
        Americans really need to get over their obsession with political correctness before the Christian beliefs we hold dear in this country are totally banned and forbidden – so as not to offend anyone who thinks differently. Has nobody from this generation read “Atlas Shrugged”, “1984″, “Animal Farm”?
        Perhaps those books have been removed from our libraries and schools? Why not? They might offend some jihad-crazed, hate-filled whacko?
        I have never felt so absolutely lied to and deceived by a presidential candidate as I have by the man called Mr.Obama – the Pied Piper of Washington, DC.
        I can’t wait two years for the elections to clean house. I say we demand impeachment – NOW! We can’t afford to wait any longer – our country is already financially and morally bankrupt! And it’s picking up speed dramatically as it heads straight to hell in a hand basket!

      • Bruce D.

        Actually Jeffh I do not like the crosses and the flowers at the roadside where someone has died. It creepy but I know that is my problem. But I think others are offended by Christianity and crosses remind them of that. I do not understand how any Christian can be a democrat with their onslaught against religion and its symbols.

      • slickporsche

        You should be creaped out by the attack on Christianity, and lack of it. Only Christianity can give you salvation. A cross is a symble of Christs sacrifice for us,so that we may have another chance, and not be destroyed by our god, as he intended to do a second time. It is also symble of peace and life after death, something to help the ones left behind by the deceased.

      • Bruce D.

        Actually Sickporshe I am a little creeped out by you. I do not like people telling me what I should believe and what I shouldn’t believe whether I agree with them or not. Am I to assume you are the great authority whose viewpoints on religion all should follow.

      • 45caliber

        Bruce:
        Actually there is a difference. slick said that you SHOULD believe; he didn’t say you HAVE to believe as the Muslims do in most areas where they live. Even the Crusaders, whom the Muslims still hate, didn’t insist on that. If you don’t want to believe, don’t. But if it creeps you out to be told what you should do, you are in for some serious creepiness when Oblama gets through telling you whatever else you HAVE to do.

      • vicki

        You know there are a whole lot of telephone poles that look just like a cross. Gonna have to take all them down too?

      • J. Murphy

        Hi Bruce D.

        I understand how crosses & flowers at the side of the road can be a little creepy. It reminds us of death. When you see something like this, remember that whoever died there was protecting someone from evil. This is a good thing. Just thank God for good people when you see one.

        As far as Democrats go, not all are selfish hypocritical a-holes. Many believe in Christianity & the love of God. Please don’t pass judgement on many for the idiocy of a few. And no, I’m not a democrat.

        This judge should have thrown the case out of court. Since atheists believe in nothing, then what they say is nothing. Hence, they aren’t there. They don’t believe in God, so we don’t believe in them.

      • J. Murphy

        Hi Bruce D.

        I understand how crosses & flowers at the side of the road can be a little creepy. It reminds us of death. When you see something like this, remember that whoever died there was protecting someone from evil. This is a good thing. Just thank God for good people when you see one.

        As far as Democrats go, not all are selfish hypocritical a-holes. Many believe in Christianity & the love of God. Please don’t pass judgement on many for the idiocy of a few. And no, I’m not a democrat.

        This judge should have thrown the case out of court

      • kate8

        Actually, the cross symbol was around long before Christianity, and has had different meanings to different cultures.

        The cross is a symbol of life, and of man. It never was a Christian symbol until Constantine saw the “cross in the heavens”, and made it the Christian symbol.

        This government’s war on Christianity is frightening. They know that Christianity is the only thing really standing in the way of completing their agenda.

      • rose tripp

        God is love, therefore the atheists do not recognize this fruit of the spirit.

      • vicki

        God, as viewed by Christians, is love. I am not so certain of the Muslim view of God (They pronounce the name as Allah).

      • J. Murphy

        Vicki,

        You’re right, our God is love personified. If you google “definition of Allah” you’d be surprised. You would think you just read a description of our “God”. The problem is Islam, Sharia Law & all the hate Muslims have for Christians. This tells me they are not following the teachings of their Allah. Period.

        Obama has decimated this country in so many ways it makes me ill. This country has always had Christian symbols in schools, on our money, for our military that have died for our freedom, etc. To say this is not PC is so much crap. I suggest you make your beliefs known to Senators, Congressmen & the white house.

        As far as atheists are concerned, they don’t believe in God, therefore I don’t believe in them. Totally non-existent. We know better & so will these morons when they die. We have the upper hand.

        God Bless you all & God Bless America

      • 45caliber

        Originally the idea was that the cross was put up because it was the belief of the person who died. That is why crosses are put up at Arlington National Cemetary. But the athiests are insisting it is to push religion and therefore must come down. The courts are letting them do to PC. They insist the crosses annoy them. Well, it annoys me that they don’t want anyone to preserve a memory of their dead by using them. Guess who the courts believe should be humored first?

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest#respomd RubyH

        If the crosses represents a Religion and the Dem-supporters object to it, then so does the Mosque, that they want their imam to build at groung zero, and I, and thousands of other “American Citizens” in this country object to it: (So go to mates),let us play tit-for-tat. NO crosses, No mosques!!

      • slickporsche

        That can only mean a revolution, which scares most to death. However it will take a revolution to remove the Political grip on our republic. Voting has proven to be a silly idea and give the power to the ones in control and not to the people. It is really a time for change and when the smoke clears, there will be a new government in place, that operates by the people and for the people. It will also be guided by our bill of rights,and the constitution. Let the fighting begin!!!

      • WallStreet

        If you’re so hot on following the Constitution, just what do you not understand about Separation of Church and State? That’s part of the Constitution, and an important part. It was put there so we would not have a nation which was run by puppets of ANY religion. Remember why the pilgrims came here? RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. Do you believe in that or not? You are welcome to believe any religious philosophy you wish, but you are not welcome to require anyone else to believe that way. So it goes for all of us in the United States of America.

      • 45caliber

        WallStreet:
        Go read the Constitution. THERE IS NO SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IN IT. It simply says that the government has no right to interfere with any religion. Religion can interfere with government all they want to – as long as they let the other religions alone.

      • vicki

        It (The Constitution) says, and I quote
        “CONGRESS shall make no law..” Where is there a “separation of church and state?”

        The Utah Highway Patrol Association appears to be a state agency but as such still is not the Congress of the United States.
        http://www.utahtrooper.com/

        First Amendment to the US Constitution reads in part:
        “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
        http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am1

        For those able to read please observe the statement after the comma.
        “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” So even if the First Amendment were to be fully enforceable on the states, (Which many claim) the State may NOT prohibit the free exercise thereof and if people in the government should wish to place crosses they are allowed to do so by the very amendment that the ADL claims denies them the right to do so.

        Such is why people think that liberalism is a mental disorder.

      • Mai Ling Allen

        The 1st Amendment of the constitution says: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

        The judge should note the last part of that phrase – for he is “prohibiting the free exercise thereof” in this case. According to the constitution – the government cannot mandate that crosses (or other religious symbols) be erected, but neither can it prohibit the free expression of those symbols.

        Too many people have heard the non-constitutional phrase “separation of church and state” but have never bothered to read what the constitution actually says.;

      • Robert E. Russell

        I wish someone could/would show exactly where in the Constitution this “Separation” of the Church and State exists. Is this reference actually that of not allowing our government to tell us which religion we are to follow?
        I cannot conceive how to arrive at such a conclusion as this so-called “Separation” from that which is actually a prohibition on the government and a protection for the people’s rights to worship as their conscience dictates.
        roberte

      • WallStreet

        PS: Any “new government” which emerges from the smoke will still not represent you. It will only cater to my group of the top 2% of earners as the good old GOP does today and has done for many decades. And any “new government” will still have politicians who are and always will be (endemic to the breed) greedy and power hungry. Why don’t we just leave the running of America to business people like me who have the brains, money and connections to get the most we can out of this country and not worry about you. After all, are you important? Can you compete in my world? I doubt it.

      • 45caliber

        Many of us can compete in your world and do. You are simply another form of self-decided “elite”. Anyone who insists he is better than I am – unless he can prove it – needs to be taught otherwise. That attitude doesn’t do it. And you are probably right about the new politicians following the footprints of the old ones … but not right away. They would have what happened to the old ones as an example of what NOT to follow. So we could get the government to work right for awhile, just as the one we have now worked right for almost a hundred years.

      • Patrick D.

        Liberal swine. Jackass.

      • kate8

        45, Something tells me that WallStreet is a plant.

        Just a feeling.

      • Lubo

        Wallstreet…..I would think most anyone could compete with you given the fact that you seem to be a self-appointed “Expert” in religious and constitutional matters but your comments indicate otherwise.

        I also very seriuosly doubt that you are a successful business person that falls within the top 2% of wage earners in this country. Now, I personally could care less one way or the other. It really has no meaning to me.

        Most “Professional” folks mind their own business expecially when it comes to wealth and financial issues. The concern of either of the aforemention issues, as it relates to another fellow American, belongs to the “Progressives” not conservatives or libertarians.

        In closing, based upon your comments, I am certain you are nothing more that a “Progressive” hack disguised as a “Republican”. Independent thinking folks like me can see right through you, so stop wasting our time.

      • libertytrain

        “kate8 says:
        August 25, 2010 at 11:43 pm (Edit)
        45, Something tells me that WallStreet is a plant.
        Just a feeling.”
        It is kind of funny how some stick out – and it seems they are continually being replaced. Each go for a few weeks, then a “new” one – I still think they all work in the WH basement.

      • JeffH

        liberytrain, my thoughts exactly.

      • libertytrain

        JeffH – perhaps they too, are part of the “stimulus” program. At least they have jobs now.

      • Brian

        I hear a paper tiger.

      • blv54

        why is it that christians don’t take to the streets over the lose of all our rights, isn’t the cause of christ worth taking up for? where is everybody all hiding out in the churchs? I’m a christian but I just have to say christians as a whole have turned into a bunch of cowards islam will be coming in to fill the vacuum then everyone will worship the rock or lose there head.

      • Patrick D.

        Jeff H.
        On the contrary, I did indeed have an idea that this is what he meant by fundemental change for our country. He was as transparent then as he is now…to me. I remember in 1992, I had the same fear of clinton as I did for obama. Their both socialist commies. And I tried to discredit this jr. fool to as many people as I could, to little effect. I hope we’ve learned our lesson now…

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        It’s time to emphasise the 10th Ammendment. It clearly spells out the rights of the Federal and State gvts. It’s time that we demand and elect state legislators who will tell the Feds to go pound salt. The Feds can keep their highway funds and the States can stop sending our tax money to DC. Stronger States and individual powers and a weaker Fed. is what this country needs. If all the libs moved to Blue States and the consevatives moved to Red States which do you think would be bankrupt first?

      • J. Murphy

        JeffH.

        Dude, you ROCK. Couldn’t have said that better myself. Have you been emailing Senators, Congressmen & the white house?? I have. The more people that make it known that we will no longer take this BS from Obama & his administration of Czars, the more control we’ll get.

        Also, you may want to read a lot of the articles on Gabriel’s Trumpet site. This will scare you half to death. And Open Congress is another good one. Has all the proposed bills going before congress. Like nearly 4000. You can make comments & vote on the bills.

        I hope people are listening to what you’ve said, because this is so true. People, start speaking out to the idiots that are supposed to represent us & make it known they are doing a lousy job. They will be fired the first chance we get!!! Like in November.

      • JeffH

        J. Murphy, I’m quite sure the WH and my representatives know that I exist. I’ve signed petitions, called and sent hundreds of emails and will continue to do so.

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        J.Murphy, agree with you. But let’s get it straight, I’ve been around for a long time and I have seen first hand what has been going on in our Government. Maybe you won’t agree with me, but as far as I am concerned, “I don’t care what your politics are”, they are all the same. And all in bed together !

      • J. Murphy

        JeffH.

        Dude, you ROCK. Couldn’t have said that better myself. Have you been emailing Senators, Congressmen & the white house?? I have. The more people that make it known that we will no longer take this BS from Obama & his administration of Czars, the more control we’ll get.

        Also, you may want to read a lot of the articles on Gabriel’s Trumpet site. This will scare you half to death. And Open Congress is another good one. Has all the proposed bills. You can make comments & vote on the bills.

        I hope people are listening to what you’ve said, because this is so true. People, start speaking out to the idiots that are supposed to represent us & make it known they are doing a lousy job. They will be fired the first chance we get!!! Like in November.

      • J. Murphy

        JeffH.

        Dude, you ROCK. Couldn’t have said that better myself. Have you been emailing Senators, Congressmen & the white house?? I have. The more people that make it known that we will no longer take this BS from Obama & his administration of Czars, the more control we’ll get.

        Also, you may want to read a lot of the articles on Gabriel’s Trumpet site. This will scare you half to death.

        I hope people are listening to what you’ve said, because this is so true. People, start speaking out to the idiots that are supposed to represent us & make it known they are doing a lousy job. They will be fired the first chance we get!!! Like in November.

    • Warrior

      I think the Utah HWY Patrol should issue an all points bulletin to pick up the “Grotch”. Tell us “Grotch” what is a more appropriate symbol? Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Christin

        Warrior, what symbol is a “grotch” or shouldn’t I ask?

    • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

      sc the gov is already trying to tell the Churches they cant preach against fag,s and Dikes lesbens And Bysectuals nor against terrest,s such as Muslem,s Even though the Feds Know Muslems are Terrest,s.

    • sylvester

      The first Amendment did not establish the separation of Church and State. It said Congress will not favor one Christian organization over another, and thats all.

      • Bruce D.

        The Constitution say Congress can pass no law but judges seem to assume there are all these laws prohibiting freedom of religion in public areas.

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        Bruce remember… Judges are nothing more than glorified lawyers. And when they put that robe on they think they are GOD.

      • hflashman

        Really? Where does it say “Christian”? Talk about ‘strict constructionist”…jeesh.

        So the government gives all religons equal treatment. you really want Krishnas and extremist cults being given government monies and aid in the same percentages and amounts as your so-called “christian” faith based organizations? Seriously?

        You happy about that?

      • 45caliber

        As far as I know, they are. The only Christian groups that get government money are things like Christian based help groups for the poor and homeless. And ANY group can qualify for that if they can prove that is where the money is going. Heck, even Jones could get it until they found that a lot of that money was sticking to his fingers.

      • blv54

        no churchs of any kind should be taking money from the government, that gives government a say about what the church does and I say shame on all those 501c3 churchs, taking favors from government is a violation of the so called church and state which their so adament about yet government violets it’s own law when giving 501c3 status and then the church is blackmailed by government who threatens to take away the tax exemption if they don’t do things the government way.

      • kate8

        blv54, Liberalism is as much a religion as any other. They are the religion of “humanism”. Yet they get tons of money from the government.

        Conservatism gets no funding.

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        Who says that the Government “gives” to Christian based organizations. That’s a new one on me!

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest#respomd RubyH

        Right On J, Christian churches are not funded by any government. The membership funds their own churches. and the government get their pounc from those members before they even recieve their pay checks or wages from their jobs. The government has no right to tax a christian church organization.

    • http://timodonnell.us Tim

      The move to outlaw any religious belief has already begun. With the help of the current administration the time line has been accelerated.

      • WallStreet

        Get real. Apparently you haven’t a brain with which to listen to all sides and decide what is right. I know what I believe because I do listen to all sides. Stop being such an extremist. And BTW how would you feel if the muslim faith was predominant in this country of religious freedom and they were trashing and lying about Christianity? I’m just saying … doesn’t the Bible say we are to do unto others as we would have them do unto us? People tend to forget that. WWJD???!!!

      • JeffH

        WallStreet, having read just three of your posted comments it is easy to discern just how arrogant and full of yourself you are. I wouldn’t let you run my bathwater let alone any part of this country. It’s easy to see with a comment like: ” Why don’t we just leave the running of America to business people like me who have the brains, money and connections to get the most we can out of this country and not worry about you. After all, are you important? Can you compete in my world? I doubt it.”

        Your response to Tim who voiced his opinion that “The move to outlaw any religious belief has already begun. With the help of the current administration the time line has been accelerated.” was “Get real. Apparently you haven’t a brain with which to listen to all sides and decide what is right. I know what I believe because I do listen to all sides. Stop being such an extremist. And BTW how would you feel if the muslim faith was predominant in this country of religious freedom and they were trashing and lying about Christianity?”

        You need to “GET REAL”. Do you really listen to both sides or do you just spout off your big mouth because you enjoy listening to yourself?

      • kate8

        JeffH, I don’t believe WallStreet is at all who he claims to be. It just doesn’t add up.

      • Lubo

        T Kate 8……Correct, Wallstreet is a progressive hack, no more and no less.

      • 45caliber

        WallStreet:
        You asked WWJD. He said to sell your cloak if needed and go out and buy a sword to defend yourself.

    • http://Yahoo Ann

      It seems strange that the Muslins can almost close off the street only blocks from the site of the World Trade Center, but there is a problem with crosses along the highway marking a death.

      • WallStreet

        No one closed of the street. Were you there?

      • JeffH

        Liberal fool!

      • 45caliber

        They close off the street every time they hold a prayer service and run out of space inside. Were you there?

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      They already do. A church, unless it’s black or muslim, can lose it’s tax exempt status if they discuss politics.

      • 45caliber

        ” … unless it is black or muslim …”

        You hit the nail on the head there!

    • 45caliber

      s c:

      When Waco was raided due to the Branch Davidians, it was pointed out that the government had no say in religion and what was right or not. The government spokesperson at the time stated that they could not raid or intimidate “religions” but that didn’t include “cults”. They could do what they wanted with them. When asked who made the determination what was a religion and what was a cult, he replied, “We do.”

      • hflashman

        Every religion is a cult by the definition of the dictionary. Davidians were accused of child molesting and crimes not associated with religion.

      • Lubo

        hflasman…….and then they sent in the jack-booted THUGS and KILLED them! Boy that makes sense to me!

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        The ‘Thugs” didn’t kill them, they killedd themselves.

      • kate8

        flash, and you just took their word for it.

        After all, the government would never lie to justift its actions.

    • Jeryl

      Actually, that line has already been crossed. Pastors are legally bound not to endorse individual political candidates from the pulpit. If the Leftists have their way, it will soon become illegal to preach against homosexuality.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        As I said earlier, they can as long as they’re a Black or Muslim church. No one ingvt. has the balls to stand up to them. The rules are diffrent when you’re a Demorat.

    • Peter

      Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Look toward the skies my friends. The sky is not falling, but the sun is becoming more active. It may not be long at all before we all have to fend for ourselves. Keep some powder dry. Cryptic I know, but those who think for themselves will know what I mean. Loony atheists will not.

    • PATRIOTIC INFIDEL

      I DO NOT SEE THE PROBLEM WITH ERECTING CROSSES FOR THE FALLEN OFFICERS! IF THEIR SURVIVING FAMILY MEMBERS AGREE WITH THE PLACEMENT, DESIGN AND INSTALLATION, I DO NOT SEE ANY CONSTITUTIONAL IMPLICATIONS! TO ME THIS WAS NOT A COURT ISSUE……… MORE LIKE A PEOPLE’S VOTE ISSUE! PUT IT TO THE PEOPLE TO VOTE AND TO HELL WITH THE JUDGE! THESE JUDGES HAVE TOO MUCH POWER AND TOO MANY OPINIONS! I BELIEVE THE DECISION WAS BASED MORE ON AVOIDING A BIG EXPENSIVE LEGAL BATTLE WITH THE LIBERAL NUT JOBS AND POSSIBLY FEAR OF REPERCUSSIONS FROM THE PRESENT ADMINISTRATION! THE PLACEMENT OF THE CROSSES IS NOT FORCING YOU TO DO ANYTHING OR ACT IN A CERTAIN WAY…. THEY ARE MERELY A TRIBUTE TO THE OFFICER WHO LOST HIS LIFE IN THE LINE OF DUTY! IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE SYMBOL …. DON’T LOOK AT IT! THESE LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS AND NEED TO BE DEPORTED ALONG WITH ALL THE ILLEGALS! FIRE THEM ALL! I WILL NOT SUBMIT!

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