The Presidential Poser
August 23, 2010 by Bob Livingston
Just who exactly is this man posing as President of the United States? That’s a question being asked by a growing number of Americans.
In fact, a recent poll by CNN — a news organization that has been downright gushing in its praise of Barack Obama — showed that six out of 10 people are uncertain the President was even born in the U.S. And that includes about one-third of all Democrats.
It’s troubling that so many question Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of President but that so few of the elected class and those of national prominence will even broach the issue. It demonstrates what a superb job Obama’s team and the Democrat party have done in casting those who question his status as a natural born citizen as the lunatic fringe.
In fact, if you are a “birther” — a term coined by the mainstream press to disparage those who doubt Obama’s eligibility to hold office based on his citizenship — even so-called conservative icons like Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck consider you a nut.
All this proves is that the elitists who shape messages are a clique interested not in seeing that the U.S. Constitution is upheld, but in maintaining their power and protecting their own. This was demonstrated once before, when the House of Representatives voted to impeach Bill Clinton for lying to a grand jury, but the Senate voted 100-0 not to remove him.
When was the last time the Senate was unanimous on anything? Democrats and Republicans never agree unanimously. The fix was in from the beginning.
So, too, is the issue of Obama’s citizenship and eligibility. The fix is in, even though the evidence that he is not a natural-born citizen, and therefore ineligible to hold the office, far exceeds evidence that he is.
The Republican governor in Hawaii says a birth certificate exists but she has sealed access to it, thereby eliminating one avenue of determining whether he was born in Hawaii, as he says, or in Kenya, as Michelle Obama, several of Obama’s Kenyan relatives (his paternal grandmother, half sister and half brother) and a couple of Kenyan officials have said. And for you Obama sycophants, don’t even bring up the certificate of live birth (COLB) posted online as proof. The COLB was available to anyone. It is not a legal document, does not list the attending physician, does not include his fingerprints or footprints, could not have been used to obtain his passport and is only a diversion to a weak-minded press and public.
Earlier this year a senior Honolulu elections clerk went on local television and said that it was common knowledge among election officials that no official birth certificate — he called it the long-form birth record — exits in Hawaii, despite what Governor Linda Lingle has said.
The whole situation remains a muddle, just as Obama and his handlers want it. Documents disappear. Other documents crop up — some that cast more doubt on his story and some that seem at first glance to support his claims but simply serve to send the discussion on a tangent. And Obama fights disclosure at every turn, sending agents from the U.S. Justice Department out to block all efforts at obtaining his records.
Thankfully, one news organization is doggedly pursuing the story. Joseph Farah and his reporters at WorldNetDaily (WND) hammer on the Obama eligibility story relentlessly, slowly chipping away at the facade. Some other conservative, fearless publications and websites are also digging for the truth and opining on the eligibility question.
Yet despite a total blackout from the main stream media on the subject of Obama’s citizenship, 60 percent of the American public still doubt Obama’s story that he was born in Hawaii. As Farah says, that means the birthers are winning.
There are some things we do know — or can surmise — about Obama, thanks to WND, some other publications and Obama’s own book, Dreams From My Father.
The man who would ascend to the Presidency in 2009 was born to Ann Dunham on Aug. 4, 1961. The father is purported to be Barack Hussein Obama, a Kenyan student in Hawaii who married Dunham on Feb. 2, 1961.
Some have speculated that Barack Obama II’s (this is how Obama’s name is listed on the COLB) biological father was actually Frank Marshall Davis, a black friend of Ann Dunham’s parents and the man the young Obama would later claim in his autobiography was his mentor. The speculation about Davis — a radical communist — as possibly Obama’s biological father stems from a book Davis wrote under a pseudonym in which he describes having sex with an under aged white girl. The idea is plausible, as Davis was a good friend of Madelyn and Stanley Dunham, Ann Dunham’s parents.
The irony is that this is one nativity story that would cement Obama’s claim to be a natural-born citizen. If Obama Sr., a Kenyan citizen, is Obama’s father, Obama is not a Constitutionally described natural-born citizen because one parent is a non-citizen and the other was a minor and therefore unable to bestow citizenship on the child — if Obama was born in Kenya, as many believe.
As lawsuits have claimed, there is no evidence — beyond the afore-mentioned COLB — that Obama was born in Hawaii. Both Obama and a half sister have named two different Hawaii hospitals as his birth place, no records exist that Dunham was hospitalized in Hawaii and no physician or nurse has stepped forward to claim they assisted with the birth.
Obama’s supporters have pointed out that newspaper articles published in August 1961 in the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin prove Obama was born in Hawaii. The address listed was the address of Madelyn and Stanley Dunham, Ann Dunham’s parents. WND has reported that official documents show Obama Sr., had a residence at another address at the same time. And neighbors of the Dunhams told WND they don’t recall a white woman with a black baby ever living next door. College transcripts indicate Dunham moved with her new baby to Seattle within days of Obama’s birth and enrolled in the University of Washington for classes that began on Aug. 19, 1961.
These birth announcements prove only that someone submitted information to two newspapers to herald the birth of a baby. They document the timeframe of the birth, not the location. The baby could have been born on Mars and these announcements could have still run in the newspapers.
Another problem Obama faces is found in his mother’s trip to Indonesia with her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, in the late 1960s. WND has reported that several lawsuits challenging Obama’s eligibility hinge on this time in Indonesia, which does not allow dual citizenship. Documents released by the U.S. State Department under two Freedom of Information Act requests indicate he may have given up his citizenship when he moved there.
Those documents show that Obama’s mother sought to have “Barack Obama II (Seobarkah)” removed from her passport, possibly as a prelude to obtaining Indonesian citizenship for him. If she did this it was more than likely for the child’s safety, as it was a turbulent time in Indonesia and there was a strong anti-American sentiment there.
While in Indonesia Obama was enrolled in school under the name of Barry Soetoro, as proven by school records photographed by an Associated Press photographer in 2007. Those school records list Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen, born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on Aug. 4, 1961, and records his religion as Muslim.
According to WND, Obama was either 5 or 6 years old when he traveled to Indonesia. This is important because if Lolo Soetoro adopted him at age 5 then he would have automatically become an Indonesian citizen. The law differed for children aged 6 and up and an adoption for a 6-year-old would have had to take place through legal channels.
Another puzzle uncovered by WND revolves around a photograph of Obama — or Soetoro, whoever he is — with another child at a school in Hawaii at the same time he was enrolled in school in Indonesia. The photo is marked has having been taken in 1969, and there is no good explanation as to how he was attending school in two different places at the same time.
The Obama camp has also refused to explain why Obama/Soetoro is using a Social Security number issued in Connecticut. WND has reported that two private investigators discovered the Social Security number anomaly and filed documents in an eligibility lawsuit showing the number was issued in Connecticut between 1977 and 1979, yet Obama’s/Soetoro’s earliest reported employment was at a Baskin-Robbins ice cream shop in Hawaii in 1975.
The Social Security website confirms that the first three numbers of Obama’s/Soetoro’s Social Security number are reserved for applicants with Connecticut addresses. That Social Security number corresponds with Obama’s/Soetoro’s Selective Service registration, according to WND.
Finally, questions surround a trip Obama/Soetoro has admitted he took to Pakistan in 1981, WND reports.
“I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college — I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,” Obama/Soetoro reportedly stated at a fundraising event.
Pakistan in 1981 was under military rule. It was difficult for U.S. citizens to travel to the country without assistance. It would have been easier for someone to enter Pakistan on an Indonesian passport, WND reports.
Obama/Soetoro could easily clear up the confusion by releasing his birth records, his school records, college records and other official documents. Instead, he is spending millions of dollars to fight all attempts to obtain documents that most public officials release by habit. That begs the question: What is he hiding?
Some brave souls are fighting the good fight in trying to get to the bottom of the mysterious background of the 44th President. Some military people are putting their careers on the line in an attempt to get proof that any orders Obama/Soetoro issues are legitimate.
However, the court system seems hell-bent on covering up any efforts at discovery. It consistently throws out lawsuits on standing and is frequently hostile to plaintiffs. Several judges have threatened lawyers and plaintiffs with stiff fines if they continue to pursue the matter.
Meanwhile, the only logical conclusion is that Obama/Soetoro is not Constitutionally eligible to hold the office of President. Any other view is only based on hope — Obama’s/Soetoro’s favorite theme.
A Constitutional crisis is in the offing and when the truth finally gets out about Obama’s/Soetoro’s citizenship, the legitimacy of orders signed by an illegitimate President will be called into question. Expect mass chaos to ensue.
That very well could be the culmination of the whole plan by Obama/Soetoro and those pulling his strings.
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To call this prez a poser is a polite way to describe his worth to this country. His arrogance seems more suited to a corporate CEO who can’t find a permanent position.
After a year and a half, it should be obvious to the most devoted, robotic, rockhead progressive that this pretender can’t walk on water, raise the dead, turn water into wine or unite America. I doubt if he can balance his check book without legions of CPAs.
A prez who dares to think Americans will blindly follow him into a self-destructive future has mistakenly assumed that Americans will surrender and put their trust in him. Trust is given to those who earn that trust. Those who demand complete trust without earning it deserve nothing but contempt.
sc,
As far as race relations, I haven’t seen such a reversal of race relations since the death of MLK!! And I TRULY believe this reversal is much worse as I think it will outlast Odummers term in office!!!
I agree, and it is so sad because he could be a unifier.
If Obama had nothing to hide then why did he have his records sealed in Hawaii? Why hasn’t he just come out with his college records and birth records? The one who signed for him was Pelosi and we know we can’t trust her either.
There are times that we need to be politically correct, and this is one of them. It would be politically correct for Obama to become as he campaigned, no more secrets and back room deals. He has always been the biggest back room deal we have had.
The Soerto fiction in this item clearly states he (Obamaba or Soerto) was born in Honolulu, Hawaii! That’s right within this story not controlled in any way, shape, or form by Obamanites. Perhaps that part is the result of the alignment of the planets? Have all of you belligerently and intentionally overlooked and dismissed this point?
So which is it; an inaccurate part of the concocted story OR an intentionally overlooked FACT?
Some people are so enthralled with obama they can’t see the forest for the trees! obama IS NOT a natural born citizen not matter how you spin it otherwise! WAKE UP PEOPLE! It doesn’t matter if he was born in Hawaii, which I feel he was not, at best he has dual citizenship because his father was a british subject! How about doing some HONEST research for a change? His mother married an indonesian and gave up her American citizenship, not only that, but her husband adopted little barry and bestowed INDONESIAN CITIZENSHIP upon him, along with furthering his muslim faith! Neither bummers mother, nor him have gone through any process to renew American citizenship! Get your head out of your rear end and see that we have an IMPOSTER in the Whitehouse and no one has the balls to call him on it but us “birthers”!!!
Henry Miller,
If you read that far in this piece, then you see he threw out all of the scenarios. The problem is, that is all we have to go on is ALL OF THOSE SCENARIOS.
Why doesn’t Obama go ahead and clear it up for us? Answer, because he doesn’t feel he has to. He thinks he is above us all and doesn’t owe us an explanation for anything.
Henry Miller: You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension—among your other obvious mental disabilities. Livingston was merely stating what SCHOOL records showed. This info was provided by the mother; no documentary back-up was shown. All the evidence—which is quite extensive and believable—point to the many problems in determining where he was born. Apparently, you have no problem with comments from a liar, while you question articles that don’t say what you think they say. Take a vacation
WHY DOES OBAMA SKIRT AROUND THE FACT WHEN ASKED, WHERE HE WAS BORN, WHERE HE LIVED,ETC. DOES THIS MAN EXPECT US TO BELIEVE HE IS A US CITIZEN!!! I AM AMAZED THAT NO ONE HAS NAILED HIM DOWN YET. AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT BELEAVES OBAMA SHOULD BE IMPEACHED!!!
Now that that’s straightened out, maybe you could explain why there are 25 social security numbers listed for Barack Hussein Obama, more if you list him as Barack H. Obama. These 25 numbers are associated with addresses where Obama has been known to live. Please explain that to all of us “dumb birthers,” Mr. Miller?
Oh, so then he isn’t an alien. Like the far right keeps repeating.
Ok, that fine.
It’s an easy thing to resolve… Have him release his records!! The reason there is so much doubt about his being born in Hawaii is the fact that he’s bending over backwards to hide his records. If he were any kind of “American” he would produce whatever proof was necessary to prove his eligibility immediately. We know that a proper vetting process was not completed because it was up to Harry Reid and Nancy Polosi to do it!! I would like nothing more than to see this controversy behind us. Obama could finish it tomorrow if he wanted to.
You know what, Jana, he is above us and he doesn’t have to.
obama was born in kenya, obama is not fit to be prez of this country, obama is a fraud in a big way, obama wants AMERICA and ISREAL to be one religion (islam) obama is the start of hell for the USA! the fools of fools will to destroy us all, thank YOU, foolS of AMERICA!
Bob Livingston…you’ve got your poll numbers off just a bit. The CNN poll shows only 27% believe Obama was not born here…not surprising because that’s about the % of extremist ‘conservatives’ who will never give any credit to Obama for anything he accomplishes.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/112619-poll-27-of-americans-doubt-obamas-birthplace
Jana…it doesn’t take much to be ‘above’ most of the people who comment here and believe all the lies and smears about Obama. The mindlessnes is so thick you could cut it w/ a butter knife.
HENRY,if you read the whole article it said that anyone could send a birth announcement to the newspaper and it would be published.and the head man over births,records etc. said there is no birth certificate for obama.
Karolyn and Denniso,
You are right. He is above you, but not the rest of us. He works for us, he is not our Dictator no matter how much you might like that.
PROVE IT !!!! thats all ANYONE is asking ~ EVERYONE else had their complete backgrounds splattered all ver every news media there is & then some ~ so, IF he was born in Hawaii ~ PROVE IT !!! just because a piece of paper says you are purple doesnt actually MEAN you are purple ~ & doesnt prove a darn thing ~ so, as EVERYONE is saying
PROVE IT !~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So why does he not release his records. Why not clear the entire thing up and release your grade school, high school and college records? Why keep all the secret? He might also want to tell us why his law license is not active nor is Michelle’s.
Denniso says:
August 23, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Jana…it doesn’t take much to be ‘above’ most of the people who comment here and believe all the lies and smears about Obama. The mindlessnes is so thick you could cut it w/ a butter knife
For the first time, you made a partially correct statement not “most”…just some…and you are a perfect example of the mindless posters that come here to post ignorance..or as in your case, just plain stupidity (because you’ve heard the truth, but refuse to believe it)…..open mouth….switch feet sir, you’ve earned that right.
Hank, boobi, Barry Soerto was born in Hawaii but is he Barack Hussien Obama?
Henry Miller : To answer your question, it is not an overlooked fact but simply evidence that the LIE regarding BO’s birthplace was already being used at this early stage in Barry Soetoro’s life. For what purpose, I have no idea. (I find the idea that it was part of a plan to allow him to become president, illegally at some future date to be utterly preposterous. Perhaps there are some other benefits which were of more immediate consequence.) Unlike the left, we don’t scrub out inconvient data from our articles.
Dude, he cant even produce his so called college papers to prove what he said he did on the collegiant level. I dont know about you, but for me and 20 million others, if someone is asking questions about where I was born, all my missing college papers and such, the first thing I would do is to produce them to the general public. His failure to do so is a HUGE admission of guilt. He cannot do it, or he would. Why else hide them? Why else? Common man, we arent all that dumb.
Hey Karolyn, he may be above you, but he isnt anywhere near being above me. You see, I am an American Citizen. I will willingly and knowingly show it to anyone who would ever question this about me. I would slam it in their face in a second and prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. So then, what is his problem? Maybe that he cant prove it. Im thinking that is what it is, the guy is not a citizen, or he would show it on national TV in a heart beat. By the way, you need to learn how to properly spell your name. Carolyn is spelled with a C. Do you have your green card? Hmm. I wonder.
Did anyone even bother to look at the actual CNN poll which I posted a link to above? It doesn’t add to Bob Livingston’s credibility in the story,since he says that 60% of people are ‘uncertain Obama was born here’, while the poll says that it’s 27% who don’t believe he was. A little misleading of Bob, don’t you think? If he will use false numbers to attack Obama in that instance then why would he be
believable on the rest?
This is what the hard right has been getting away w/ for yrs,going back to before Clinton…smears, lies,rumor,innuendo,all designe to chip away at a presidents credibility all the while it’s the attackers w/ no credibility….shameful, and all done in the interest
of destroying a president,harming the country and getting back in power for pure self interest and political gain.
Jana,
Give it a rest ole brainless one.
You have reached the cached page for http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
coal miner,
GROW UP.
I haven’t had to go to any special site for information on how to think and what to say. Unlike you I have my own thoughts and don’t have to be told what to think.
As usual, a Liberal must resort to name-calling to make his point.
Politifact is a Liberal Biased Website operated by The St. Petersburg Times, a Liberal Biased Florida newspaper:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-vadum/2009/06/03/biased-politifact-com-covers-acorn-attacks-michele-bachmann
Coal – anyone with COMMON SENSE (which seems to have left half of Americans) doesn’t need propaganda or fudging of the truth to know a scam. Anyone and I do mean anyone holding a public office position needs to be CRYSTAL CLEAR about who and what they are. If a person is ABOVE BOARD, they have nothing to hide and no need to spend millions trying to hide their identity….this paying to cover it up SPEAKS VOLUMES in an of itself! Time for this man (whoever he is) to lay his cards on the table and try being HONEST for a change! Oh and time for his wife to STOP PREACHING AT AMERICANS TO SPEND MONEY AND SUPPORT THE GULF when she and 40 friends traipse off to Spain at almost a half million in tax payer money (not even a Presidential vacation)..she could have at least given our tax paying dollars towards the gulf and vacationed there…”do as I say, not as I do”…yeah real American while millions are unemployed and just trying to feed their families….this current prez and first lady make me sick!
Hate ta tell ya this, but the Sy. Pete times is considered by us locals (Tampa) to be an extremely liberal rag. The Tribune is far more conservative, and I don’t consider it to be a conservative paper. Maybe that’s why most of the hippie types in the bay area seem to live in St. Pete/Pinellas county! Speaks volumes…
Earl,
You may have just hit on the reason why coal miner is so liberal. He is an ex hippie. That certainly answers a lot about his idiotic ways.
Dave H. Looks like Politifacts has dug deeper than Livingston on the birth issue. Newsbuster is a right leaning group which seems no better or worse than Politifacts. I would encourage people to check out both sites and maybe not trust either one. That could be said about any web site.
coal, if you libs are so sure that Odumbo is the real deal, then why don’t you encourage him to open ALL of his records? Instead, you just blindly and mindlessly defend him against all evidence.
Who’s the bainless one?
Coal miner….Hmmmm….Unionized by chance?
Jana, Where did your own thoughts come from? Come on, you have to admit they started with your conservative media or at least with your conservative friends – maybe this very site. You didn’t come up with this idea all by yourself did you? It might serve you well to know what you’re talking about by reading facts on other sites.
And what’s wrong with ex-hippies, Jana?
It’s hard to believe isn’t it,that people are still falling for these phony stories…what a waste of energy and time. Get over it people,
Obama is your president and will be for 6 more yrs. You’re going to have group coronaries,especially the old ones,if you keep up this prattle and nonsense that raises your blood pressure. Go out for a walk…play w/ your grandkids…volunteer somewhere and do some good.
Quit bitching so freaking much and maybe try to help the country recover from the collapse that began with your man Shrub.
Karolyn is an ex hippie herself who smoked pot. It did something to her brain. She is and probably always has been a flake.
DaveH ,
I must concur concerning the St. Petersburg Times. I live near Tampa and the St. Pete Times is over the top left leaning. In their Opinions section, if you disagree with their views, you don’t get posted.
Been there done that. Sent one opinion disagreeing…nope …rejected…sent one in favor concerning the same issue (as an experiment) …accepted and printed…who woulda thunk?…St. Pete Times biased?…..no way….lmao
Karolyn,
You asked whats wrong with ex hippies.
Most everything I ever heard about hippies is how selfish they were. You wanted your freedom, but you wanted it on your parents dime. Freedom to hippies meant not working and not taking responsibility. As you stated on another post they were free thinkers which was another way of saying life is like a butterfly and I am drifting along letting others pay for my lifestyle and I am perfect. You still think you are perfect. You are a p word all right, but its pathetic. You drifted along while others got to work and later you decided to join what you thought was the real world, but you still have no idea what that is. you have blinders on and you will never understand fully because you don’t want to.
Hey, Coal Miner,
Please learn to read and think. The site you went to shows the stupid Certification of Live Birth, not a Birth Certificate. Yet all through the article they say Birth Certificate. This is a paper to issued to people in Hawaii for non-governmental purposes. The President could not use this for official proof of anything. There is a birth certificate somewhere, we will never see it. I am in the 67% who thinks he was born in Hawaii, but is still not American. The only real record is of Barry Soetoro at Occidental College is as a foreign student whose religion was listed as Muslim from Indonesia. All of his records are sealed (he raced to the Oval Office and signed that order as soon as he was President.) If I want a job at Wal-mart I would need, at some point, my birth certificate. He has to have one, why is not releasing it? Maybe it has to do with who he is. This man has problems, real problems. His father(?) dumped he and his mother, then Barry was picked up by a by someone else. Once again the new father leaves them, then the mother leaves him in with his maternal grandparents. Yet, he picks a man who was already married, when he married his mother, leaves them to their own devices, and rejects the white grandparents who raised him. To look at this person one needs an advanced degree in psychiatry, and then one would be lucky to get the problems worked out. I think a real Congressman or Senator would demand to see proof, but like many state, every one of them has many reasons not to this. God help the American people, their representatives sure as hell are not.
Ive heard of black lung, from working in the coal mines, but you somehow have gotten black brain, where it has ate your brain up. I cannot believe you call yourself an American, and you think it is ok for a guy to be president, that fails to be ABLE to produce a birth certificate or these mysterious college papers that he seems to not be able to produce either, and no one seems to have records of these. Hmmm. Imagine that Mr. Coal Miner. Shame on you for aiding this guys attempt at bring us down. Shame on you.
I have stated on this site many times, but I’ll repeat for newcomers. I was born in the same hospital (Kapiolani) that Obama claims to have been born in. My birth certificate looks nothing like the document he has shown. My certificate shows the attending physician’s name and the occupations of both of my parents, Obama’s does not. More important than this, however, is the time he spent in Indonesia, as an Indonesian citizen and a follower of Islam. Arizona has stated they will not put him on the 2012 ballot until he shows proof of US citizenship to the Secretary of State of AZ. I hope other states follow their lead.
Gotta love AZ! Calling the Bluff! Prove it or lose it! ALL STATES NEED TO TAKE AZ’S LEAD and beat these JACKALS (both parties, all career politicians out of touch) at their own game but I fear the cancer is spread too deep into the Heart of America…I hope not!
I hope at minimum 35 states follow the lead…..Beautimus!!
I hope that AZ goes even further and refuses to abide by any federal law/mandate that was signed by this person (Obama) till he proves he is eligible to hold the office of President of the United states.
No need to wait till 2012. They can start today.
Palin12
What a great solution! Barak Hussein Obama (or any one else) should not ever become a candidate for President with out showing full legitimate proof that he is a US Citizen.
I believe he is a Muslim, claiming to be a Christian.
I believe he was born in Kenya Africa – I have a downloaded copy of his African birth certificate. (it looks perfectly legitimate to me)
He is a Socialist Democrat, hell bent to change America, from Capitalism to Socialism. He is a constant LIAR. He is constantly doing anything he can, to promote Socialist programs and ideas. He hates America the way it is!
He is practicing the Communist doctrine – everything FREE for everybody at the expense of hard working prosperous Citizens.( Free wealth – everybody equal, without having to work for it)
I understand that about 15 states are considering it, including Texas. I hope all do require it. It would definately require him to produce one since Texas has as many elector votes as it does. And I think Florida is another I’ve heard mentioned. It true, the loss of those two states without a birth certificate would almost certainly mean he loses.
Every time I get a birth certificate it looks a little different.
They only look the same if you get them printed at the same time.
My original on has since been digitized.
Palin12, go Arizona! Also to clear up the myth, Obama has never provided any type of birth certificate for public view. He’s not even responsible for the COLB that was posted for view.
I live in AZ and I have not seen anything about not putting him on the ballot in 2012, and that would not stop people from writing his name in. But speaking of AZ, I do think what Obama did to our state is grounds to impeach him. There is a video that a Professor Lovell did, and he explaines it so well. The president of the United States when sworn in is suppose to protect all its citizens. When he took suit against AZ over the illegal law, he was siding with Mexico against all of the citizens in AZ. That is grounds for impeachment I am quiet sure. But all the people in Congress are obvilious afraid to start the impeachment, because they fear being called a raicest and I am sure the liberals would bring that into it, as they do with everything we say.
T Vicki…..Great idea! I would support that!
Jana,
I hate to tell you and Dave this.I am a IWW member.I don’t believe in any kind of government socialist or capitalist.We started the libertarian movement,not Dave’s party.We considered all governments dictatorial,including democracy.Here is a website you might be interested in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
Jonathan – All the “I believes” in the world arent’ enough to make one truth.
Joyce, here is a link to the Arizona bill to have Obama prove US citizenship before being placed on the ballot in 2012:
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/arizona-to-obama-show-us-your-birth-certificate.php
I didnt know Arizona did this, but God bless them if they did, and all states should follow. This proof should have been forced on all and any people attempting to run for the office of President. It all should be well documented before they even start a campaign, and these records should be available for all to see, not kept in secrecy. Of course if he doesnt have a legitimate American birth certificate, then that would be the only reason he cannot produce it.
Jonathan,
Any chance you’d send me a copy of the Obama birth certificate in Africa?? Would love to have it.
Thanks
Jean
pawprinz @ earthlink.net
I blame Congress for not having the balls to vet this very fact. They vetted McCain. How weak have they been all? I say.. very weak indeed. They have stood for nothing and have given everything away even our very freedom. Who will stand up for liberty?
Not only Az, there is a movement slowly working its way through to several states that are going to do the same thing, that trap is still waiting to be sprung it might happen right before the elections in 2012 giving him no time to produce 1. Az is mad at Obama and under their new Immigration Law which they are using no matter what the idiots in Washington said or did, If Obama steps 1 foot in AZ. he will be arrested and deported, don’t believe me watch and see!
Az. now has the support of all Sheriff’s across the country, it is only a matter of time before he crosses the wrong organization and i would not want to be in his shoes if that happens!
Jana:
Actually Pelousy signed TWO forms that validated Oblama. The first stated something along the lines of “… born in the US.” The second form, signed the next day, deletes that comment. Both should still be available through WND.com.
to Rita Stine- no you are not the ONLY one who believes he should be impeached. There is a growing number of legal american english speaking christians citizens who want him impeached. He is not trustworthy and should be taken out of office via impeachment proceedings, as soon as possible. Hello-does anyone pay attention? He’s on his 6th vacation this year alone…All at taxpayer expense. He is showing his arrogance and his “entitlement” mentality every single day. We need to impeach him PRONTO. We don’t even know his real name. Is he barry sotero or Barack Hussein Obama? Who really knows?
And Pelosi is the same idiot that wants to spend OUR money to start a probe to find out who is financially backing the blocking of her and Obummer building their muslim mosque on 9-11 ground. What an anti American act of treason. She should be ashamed of herself, and immediately removed from office, or imprisoned, or both. Shame on her.
Everything that I read and keep reading points to Obama as an imposture! Glen Beck and others are safeguarding themselves….they have too. I believe that if he was born in Hawiawa then he lost his citizenship when he was taken to Indonesia. Anyway, what he is doing is TREASON. People that commit treason usually are put to death by hanging or the firing squad. At least that’s the way it was back in 1917, world war 1. There is a reason for all his secrets. McCain scolded the people for thinking bad things about Obama during the elections, which he should not have done, because he doesn’t know either! McCain / Palin would have won if he would have fought this imposture!
RoyfromKs
I now beleive that the contest between Obama and McCain was not unlike a boxing match in which one fighter (McCain) took a dive.
Have you considered that he must possess unified character to be the unifier in his on stage performance? His body language emulations of William Buckley have never hidden his ineffectual inadequacy of hard facts for success as a debater other than from his preferred position of chairman to impose authority with only a beleaguered boring blame game.
Political correctness depends variably on who’s ox is being gored and who’s wick is being oiled .
The approval of his eligibility using altered forms by all mainstays in the democratic party must be considered as a weapon of mass destruction in the boudoir of their incumbency dreams. Any and all appointees, whether in white house or judicial capacity, must continue to deploy effective damage control actions to perpetuate the mega farce. Infused coordinated party media white wash may ice their openly corrupt legislative cake well into November and face an equally embarrassing public conviction. But unlike the party the media has no golden parachute retirement and depend on sales of products or services anchored to advertisements wedged in the cracks of the fading white wash pending the arrival of just one more volunteer Huckleberry to cover the repulsive comedy.
Sweet! I like it!
I wasn’t aware there was a problem with Obama’s college records. Are you saying he did not attend? Access to his birth certificate records are of course protected by confidentiality regulations of the State of Hawaii. Copies of his birth certidicate were released by his campaign and are available on the internet. Re: college records, hasn’t anyone questioned Sara Palin’s college records. (4or 5 schools?). Is it relly possible she has a degree?
William Lord – Geez, have you been living in a vaccuum?
WILLIAM,there has been no proof,document wise or even from classmates that obama attended the colleges he has said or when he attended them.
Sarah Palin has never hidden any college records or birth certificate. Barack Obama has hidden his birth certificate and college records. Is there any problem with the truth being divulged in your mind? Why are you so afraid of the facts that have been laid before us? Deal in the factual truth pal, or go away.
William Lord,
Sarah has a B.A. degree in Journalism from the University of Idaho.
Geez, I thought everyone knew that! You are indeed living in a cave. Now that you’ve entered the 21st Century, I would also like to inform you that the Dodgers are no longer in Brooklyn.
Sara is not the one destroying our country you idiot….it’s that carpet sucking SOB that has the nerve to call himself a human, let alone an American….
AND Denniso,
You are either, by the spelling an illigal, spic sucking Tr_ mp or an illigal rug sucking B_TCH yourself. I can think of nothing better than the death to you wanna be American traitors along with Ob/sama,Palosie,Bidden….may you all rott in hell
William, thanks for that perfect example of Alinski’s tactics. If you can’t beat ‘em, just make counter-accusations and deflect the argument. Well done!
Robert, old buddy…Thanks for the kind words of support, and no, you can’t know if I’m and illegal or not,can you…Mexico has some very good schools you know.
As to ‘Sara’, of course she’s a dimwit, Anyone w/ a brain knows that.
But, she’s not just a babbling fool,she’s also a polital opportunist,
money monger, and liar. Have a good day, Robert my buddy,
It’s Sarah, not Sara, dumniso. Better learn how to spell your next president’s name.
Sara, sarah?? who the hell cares…her name is Palin…if you think that the majority in our country is dumb enough to vote in an airhead semi-beauty queen as president, you’ve lost all your marbles…no way,jose.
I love the way Sarah scares the hell out of you libtards. Could it be she has more charisma than any of your democRATS. I am reminded today of Al Bore sighing during the presidential debates of 2000. Thank God he lost!
Palin sure as hell doesn’t scare us, we think she’s a joke and can’t believe you people fall for her stupidity…she’s so bad that she’s only a caricature of a real Barbie doll.
And I guess you think the country did well under Shrub the incompetent? My god,what ignorance…
Joe H., I agree with you 100%, I don’t think it’ll ever change, because nothing we do will be good enough.
Joe, I agree with you. As a 50 year old Black American, I have not seen this country so polarized since the 60- early 70′s. As a vet, I am discouraged by the one in office. And as a registered Republican for over 25yrs I will do my best that we have only 2 more years of Obama. Hang in there Joe.
St Harrison….First of all, THANK YOU for your service! I noticed you did not say “African-American” but said “Black-American” so thank you for that as well! Maybe some day we will all become just PLAIN OLE GOD LOVING COUNTRY LOVING ENGLISH SPEAKING AMERICANS, who cherish our FREEDOMS, given to us by our constitution and protected by those like you, BRAVE ENOUGH to defend her.
Bottom line, I agree with you, as a 54 year old “White-American”, I have never seen a more divisive President in my lifetime. Hopefully, we, as FELLOW AMERICANS, brothers of FREEDOM, can jum start some REAL “Hope and Change” come November.
I too must echo the words of thanks as a Vietnam-era vet (I am 66). I will make a short statement about Obama which might shore up the Marxist/communist leanings of POTUS. In a letter to another site some time back, I read of an American businessman who went to the former USSR in 1992 on a corporate mission for his Co. He was at the home of the other party involved with negotiations, and was cornered by the Russian gentleman’s wife, who unlike himself, was still a dyed-in-the-wool communist believer. This woman stated that “America is going to have a black president. “Yes, a chocolate baby”. He was described in terms similar to those which he is known by today. The woman stated “his name is Barack”, No mention of the last name. The man tried to hush his wife, but she wasn’t having any of that. I have the document, but it is much to long for inclusion here. You’ll just have to take my word for it….
In light of all else we now know, including his being “mentored” by a certain Frank Marshal Davis, now deceased, who was a known Communist/Marxist and an author of a gross autobiography of a sex pervert (by his own description).(I have a PDF copy) In Obama’s book Dreams from my father, a “Frank” is mentioned (no last name). This, taken together with all the OTHER material about his past, it is, in my considered opinion, an impeachment of this man’s character, if not his suitability for office(never mind the birther issues,etc.)
I rest my case
LUBO,if obama gets his way one of these days we’ll be a spanish speaking country,not english speaking!so i think your dream might already be in trouble.
T Wayne…..Maybe and maybe not. It depends on how many of us get out to vote this November.
We should impeach Odumbdumb NOW before he has the chance to further damage the country. It is harder to undo stupid things than it is to enact them in the first place. Personally I am scared. Can ANYONE tell me ONE thing that our nit wit president has accomplished that has made our country a better place? Anyone?
St Harrison,
I also want to thank you for your service to our country. It is greatly appreciated.
St Harrison
You are to be commended for your personal thoughts and disposition.
I have always known that there are millions of righteous intelligent black people in this great country of ours.
Obama is not a good President, and many black people are brave enough to say it. Thank you
We have millions upon millions of good black folks who cherish their FREEDOMS just like we white folks. Many have died to defend OUR freedoms that dates back to the very beginning. This is what disgusts me about the progressives in this country that continually try to get us all at odds with the RACE CARD crap. I stopped listening to it years ago.
With their hate filled “Assumptive Nature” they just assume that if you aren’t a “Progressive” then that automatically makes a person a “racist”. That’s why they “Feel” that we object to Obama’s policies. Poor dumb fools, is all I can come up with!
I have a black friend that worked for us on the farm 40 years ago. He now owns his own Pest Control business and has my home under an annual contract. His business is a muti-million dollar concern. Now, he is black and I am white, we both worked for my family on the farm 40 years ago and he would tell you in an instant that he loved my family. We gave him an opportunity and he learned from that opportunity.
Forty years later he owns and operates a muti-million dollar pest control business. I have done well and he has done well in America. Why? Not because of race, color or religion but because we both were determined to be a SUCCESS and worked VERY LONG HOURS and educated ourselves so we could give our children a better life than we had.
NOW THAT IS AMERICA and when we ALL, regardless of race, who have SERVED and worked our hearts out, actually get enough of this progressive-marxist crap, then and only then will we see us return to being AMERICA…home of the proud, the brave, and the FREE.
Let FREEDOM ring!
St Harrison, two things…thank you for your service and thank you for your thoughts.
The Big Lie..tell it enough times and people start believing it. Jeesh …
I’m wondering how many were pushing Bush for his military records showing he went AWOL during time of war? They were sealed…unlike Obama’s birth records. (despite what the wacked tell lies about). How many asked for Bush’s medical records when he was a cokehead? They were sealed. How many asked for Cheney’s records surrounding his deferments he garnered during ‘Nam? They were sealed.
Yet…when you have access to the public records and the state of Hawaii and everyone connected to his birth…including the notice i the local paper of his being born…you listen to lies.
Frippin’ bunch of losers. Trying to tear down this Nation instead of working to rebuild it after the fiasco of eight years of corruption, graft and incompetence…
you would have to go way back,even before regan,to show how crooked all of these people are.. starting with the bay of pig’s,contra guns,bush senior covering for jr,clinton and his lady’s,no logs of standing duty in the military.. things are always covered up when you get in high places.. how about obummer’s chatter that he is gay.. come on now,, they all are crooks..
Mr. Flashman, I totally disagree with you about George Bush’ records. If they were sealed, you would not have been able to obtain the information you exploited in your post. We all knew about Bush going AWOL, which happened before he became President.
This President will not present any document that explains anything about him or his wife…instead he spends great sums of money to protect the documents from the public.
You are typical of all Liberals in your thinking! When an issue comes to light about “Your Hero” you have to find a reason to blame Bush…exactly as your leader does. Sorry, but your post has been written so many times by so many different people that it has become worthless. Have a nice day in you little unscathed world.
Bush was “cleaned up” big time! ~ okay? the story long and sorted.
and leads back to “The Grassy Knoll”
The politician machine that installed Bush, worked out all the details years in advance. ~ It’s all there, you need only ask the right question at the right place. ~OOps! records dead end! the people that can verify are dead. Oops!
but feel free to think whatever you wish.
You ARE talking about the crimes alleged to have been committed by Bill Clinton, aren’t you? Thirty or forty people died under mysterious circumstances, car wrecks, suicides, falling asleep on a train track, etc. If you’re going to build a conspiracy theory, you’d better have some hard evidence & FACTS to back it up. Mr. Obama REFUSES to allow records & facts to be released proving his claims & disproving claims by others. Mix up another batch of kool-aid (ever wonder why those ‘shrooms grow in cow s#!%?) & roll up another joint. You’ll need them to get through this tangled web of lies, deceit, and conspiracy theories.
Just how far off topic are you willing to go? The Reasoner/Papa Bush battle started years ago. ~ You are attempting to deflect attention and discuss something else entirely.
I’ve looked into it ~ all modern day president seal their records. It’s a standard practice anymore. The reasons why, are many.
Bob….name a few of those reasons for us, if you don’t mind.
Bob…..We will! We will THINK whatever we want to when we want to!
We appreciate you giving us your permission though….LOL!!!!
Bob you hit the nail on the head, dead center!
I got it (DEAD)!
Roni-
I must COMPLETELY disagree with your comment to flash- in your comment, you presumed that liberals are actually capable of thought. This is a blatant falsehood and should be immediately withdrawn. All they know how to do is suck the kool-aid and mindlessly follow what they are told, despite the truth slapping them in the face at every turn. They bury their head in the sand, plug their ears and say “la la la la….I can’t hear you”. They are traitors, and when this is finally resolved, they need to be tried as co-conspirators.
Gotguns
thats a fact jack!
If you were in the presence of a man having a heart attack, how would you respond? As he clutched his chest in desperation and pain, would you call 911? Would you try to save him from dying? Of course you would.
But if that man was Rush Limbaugh, and you were Sarah Spitz, a producer for National Public Radio (update: Spitz was a producer for NPR affiliate KCRW for the show Left, Right & Center), that isn’t what you’d do at all.
In a post to the list-serv Journolist, an online meeting place for liberal journalists, Spitz wrote that she would “Laugh loudly like a maniac and watch his eyes bug out” as Limbaugh writhed in torment.
In boasting that she would gleefully watch a man die in front of her eyes, Spitz seemed to shock even herself. “I never knew I had this much hate in me,” she wrote. “But he deserves it.”
Spitz’s hatred for Limbaugh seems intemperate, even imbalanced. On Journolist, where conservatives are regarded not as opponents but as enemies, it barely raised an eyebrow.
In the summer of 2009, agitated citizens from across the country flocked to town hall meetings to berate lawmakers who had declared support for President Obama’s health care bill. For most people, the protests seemed like an exercise in participatory democracy, rowdy as some of them became.
On Journolist, the question was whether the protestors were garden-variety fascists or actual Nazis.
“You know, at the risk of violating Godwin’s law, is anyone starting to see parallels here between the teabaggers and their tactics and the rise of the Brownshirts?” asked Bloomberg’s Ryan Donmoyer. “Esp. Now that it’s getting violent? Reminds me of the Beer Hall fracases of the 1920s.”
Richard Yeselson, a researcher for an organized labor group who also writes for liberal magazines, agreed. “They want a deficit driven militarist/heterosexist/herrenvolk state,” Yeselson wrote. “This is core of the Bush/Cheney base transmorgrified into an even more explicitly racialized/anti-cosmopolitan constituency. Why? Um, because the president is a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama. But it’s all the same old nuts in the same old bins with some new labels: the gun nuts, the anti tax nuts, the religious nuts, the homophobes, the anti-feminists, the anti-abortion lunatics, the racist/confederate crackpots, the anti-immigration whackos (who feel Bush betrayed them) the pathological government haters (which subsumes some of the othercategories, like the gun nuts and the anti-tax nuts).”
“I’m not saying these guys are capital F-fascists,” added blogger Lindsay Beyerstein, “but they don’t want limited government. Their desired end looks more like a corporate state than a rugged individualist paradise. The rank and file wants a state that will reach into the intimate of citizens when it comes to sex, reproductive freedom, censorship, and rampant incarceration in the name of law and order.”
On Journolist, there was rarely such thing as an honorable political disagreement between the left and right, though there were many disagreements on the left. In the view of many who’ve posted to the list-serv, conservatives aren’t simply wrong, they are evil. And while journalists are trained never to presume motive, Journolist members tend to assume that the other side is acting out of the darkest and most dishonorable motives.
When the writer Victor Davis Hanson wrote an article about immigration for National Review, for example, blogger Ed Kilgore didn’t even bother to grapple with Hanson’s arguments. Instead Kilgore dismissed Hanson’s piece out of hand as “the kind of Old White Guy cultural reaction that is at the heart of the Tea Party Movement. It’s very close in spirit to the classic 1970s racist tome, The Camp of the Saints, where White Guys struggle to make up their minds whether to go out and murder brown people or just give up.”
The very existence of Fox News, meanwhile, sends Journolisters into paroxysms of rage. When Howell Raines charged that the network had a conservative bias, the members of Journolist discussed whether the federal government should shut the channel down.
“I am genuinely scared” of Fox, wrote Guardian columnist Daniel Davies, because it “shows you that a genuinely shameless and unethical media organisation *cannot* be controlled by any form of peer pressure or self-regulation, and nor can it be successfully cold-shouldered or ostracised. In order to have even a semblance of control, you need a tough legal framework.” Davies, a Brit, frequently argued the United States needed stricter libel laws.
“I agree,” said Michael Scherer of Time Magazine. Roger “Ailes understands that his job is to build a tribal identity, not a news organization. You can’t hurt Fox by saying it gets it wrong, if Ailes just uses the criticism to deepen the tribal identity.”
Jonathan Zasloff, a law professor at UCLA, suggested that the federal government simply yank Fox off the air. “I hate to open this can of worms,” he wrote, “but is there any reason why the FCC couldn’t simply pull their broadcasting permit once it expires?”
And so a debate ensued. Time’s Scherer, who had seemed to express support for increased regulation of Fox, suddenly appeared to have qualms: “Do you really want the political parties/white house picking which media operations are news operations and which are a less respectable hybrid of news and political advocacy?”
But Zasloff stuck to his position. “I think that they are doing that anyway; they leak to whom they want to for political purposes,” he wrote. “If this means that some White House reporters don’t get a press pass for the press secretary’s daily briefing and that this means that they actually have to, you know, do some reporting and analysis instead of repeating press releases, then I’ll take that risk.”
Scherer seemed alarmed. “So we would have press briefings in which only media organizations that are deemed by the briefer to be acceptable are invited to attend?”
John Judis, a senior editor at the New Republic, came down on Zasloff’s side, the side of censorship. “Pre-Fox,” he wrote, “I’d say Scherer’s questions made sense as a question of principle. Now it is only tactical.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/liberal-journalists-suggest-government-shut-down-fox-news/print/#ixzz0uR8ipxBQ
bill in mn.,
Good post and great thoughts.
It’s a shame that such hatred exists in this country. It certainly doesn’t speak well of them and in fact shows how evil these people have become.
Now isn’t that cute, ” Liberals don’t think!”
I’d come nearer to believing ~ what they think, you find confusing.
It’s that a more accurate statement, wouldn’t you agree?
For if they didn’t “think” The GOP lost an election to a bunch of “NON THINKERS” which doesn’t say too much for the GOP.
I bore with this unworthy opposition ~ where the smart people at?
I know there some here, someone that’s not obsessed with guns , camel turds or goat pellets. Attempting to elevate themselves by demonstrating lack of civility and respect while putting others down.
Never wrestle with a pig, you will both get nasty and he loves it.
I thought we were talking about Obama’s records sealed in regards to … BEING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN !!!!!!!! You can talk about Bush and Cheney all you want but AT LEAST WE KNOW THEY WERE AMERICAN CITIZENS. THROW THIS BUM OUT OF OFFICE !! HE’S AN IDIOT!! AN ILLEGAL IDIOT!!!
“Besides Obama’s actual birth documentation, still-withheld documentation for him includes kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records” … I love this… how can he get away with this crap? Impeach Obama Now !!!
I believe you have it reversed and not correct. How dumb are you??Do you actually like the things Obama has done to this country? Do you really believe he has made an improvement by spending like crazy? Do you also want a government that does not listen to the people? Do you want a leader that cannot and will not secure our borders?? Please tell something that he has done that will make our lives better. You cannot, so you should not comment in here, and should go to a forum compose mostly of loser liberals like your self. You will fit in much better there.
As I have stated on several occasions, it is not worth the time spent typing a reply to hflash. If we quit responding to his ridiculous posts, maybe he will go away. He is after all only trying to raise our ire.
True statement….Flash is a waste of brain power. His only purpose for being on this blog is to keep THINKING people from making any REAL progress towards solving our Nations problems. FUll of HATE for AMERICA and anyone who would dare question his lack of good judgement, is an understatement.
Stop responding to this marxist Jerk and maybe he will go away. WE HOPE!
Conservative, Lubo, I disagree. We should encourage the Liberal Zealots to post here so the fence straddlers can see what they are made of – not much.
Just do your research and show the rest how bankrupt their ideas are.
And point out their manipulative adolescent tactics every time they employ them. I know they are nauseating, but our silence is what they want. That’s the only way Liberals can succeed, by silencing the voice of reason.
T DaveH….Never said be silent! That will not happen, my friend! Let him post all he wants but I find it a total wate of my time reading “his” same ole “Cut and Paste” progressive hate filled garbage!
My the way, I took the test to determine if I am a conservative or a libertarian. Guess what, I am a libertarian!
Lubo,
Cool. I think most people would embrace our principles if they knew and understood them.
Except the leaders who have a vested interest in Bigger Government.
DaveH…..I agree that most would embrace the libertarian principles if they actually understood what those priniciples are. I was really shocked after taking the test. I’m THINKING the whole time, “I know I am a conservative but I will satisfy my friends request and take this DUMB test anyway”. The test results: You are a libertarian.
Bottom line, I think people should be able to do most anything they want until it infringes on others and when you BREAK the LAW or bring harm(Physical,Financial, or other) then you must be held accountable without the pathetic excuses……..It’s not my faught!”
Progressives seem to think that bad behavior is a “Collective” issue that we must all pay for…except them, of course. They are the best at spending others folks hard earned money on DUMB FOOLISHNESS. It must be the 60′s hippies THC factor?
Libertarianism: def. I’ve got mine; screw you. Yes, a very good philosophy for greedy selfish people. Not so good for developing a cohesive, enlightened, law abiding society. But then, conservatives want every individual to be self reliant and self responsible, with the bottom quartile fending for themselves. Of course, socialism for the rich is one of the hidden benefits of Libertarianism!
Never stop learning: http://www.obamaachievements.com/
Mondovibe,
His achievements? Yes he has achieved a lot and most of it is wrong for this country. This site was helped out majorly by Wiki. Great recommendation there.
This is like the terrorists blowing their own horn for approval. YUK.
I have gone to 2 sites that you recommended, and now I know who and WHAT you are, I will not bother to go to any more sites that you endorse!
How about his distruction? How about how his cherry picked administration is dividing this country more than ever and “reversing” everything that has taken years to overcome such as “racism”…look at Oprah…richest black woman in the world, Whoopi, Halle Berry, Eddie Murphy…I mean the lists go on not to mention speakers, ball players, etc… We have not been racists for years, we even voted a partially black president in office truly wanting “hope and change”…well we got it! and it’s not good! We are crumbling at every corner. Immigration, ANTI-AMERICAN LAW SUITS!, Trillions in debt, longest war ever, sleeper cells all throughout the USA, unsustainable government growth, disrepect from other countries, illegals don’t even fear the law or respect anything! environmental castastrophe…you aren’t even hearing about the thousands of fish coming ashore. NJ shore had a huge wash up (it’s hush, hush from the dispersments used on the oil spill), strangling small business and entreprenuership, largest welfare, food stamp and Section 8 housing increases ever! Millions unemployed..Seriously, I’m still waiting for some real sustainable achievements! Some real ‘CLEAN-UP’ in America – FOR AMERICA! Not for other countries!
You could double his achievements and they would say exactly the same thing. They are out to destroy Obama and will not debate anything less. This venue gives these righties the voice and the means to perpetuate their conspiracies. Facts don’t need to be included for they have become a school of piranhas and the feeding frenzy is on.
T eddie47d…..Yep, it sure is and you ain’t seen nothing yet! We want answers and WE THE PEOPLE are going to get them. We are going to relentlessly pursue those who would DARE infringe upon our constitutional rights as FREE AMERICANS. Study your history, the REAL history about our GREAT nation not the Progressive-marxist version of “Touchy-Feely-Childish” foolishness.
From the site.
“We are a team of about 100 volunteers dedicated to countering the constant negative drumbeat of our mainstream media. In the past two years, over 400 steps forward have been taken by the Obama administration, yet the media continues to focus on the negative. ”
So they feel that the MSM is too down on Obama. That puts them far far left of what most of us see. As such Jana’s comment about their tooting their own horn is quite reasonable.
Now in the interest of “fair and balanced” I offer
http://www.toledofreepress.com/2010/01/29/the-state-of-president-obama%E2%80%99s-key-failures/
google “obama failures” for a lot of other non “achievements”
I wouldn’t say he has as backward as you seem to be. ~ 9-11 was a serious breach in US Security ~ was it not? The current administration was not in power then. ~ We had Mexican Nationals coming across out borders by the thousands under the previous administration yet you seem reluctant to lam-blast “that” administration. ~ Why now? why this one? Why all of a sudden lay this at the door step at a administration that’s been in office only 17 months? Why not both of them?
Under the current administration, deporting illegal is at an all time high, well beyond 43′s administration numbers ever were. Ck it for yourself.
>>
News Release
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 24, 2004
Under Bush, Federal Spending Increases at Fastest Rate in 30 Years
Since 2001, even with record low inflation, U.S. federal spending has increased by a massive 28.8% (19.7% in real dollars)—with non-defense discretionary growth of 35.7% (25.3% in real dollars)—the highest rate of federal government growth since the presidencies of Richard Nixon and Lyndon Johnson. This increase has resulted in the largest budget deficits in U.S. history, an estimated $520 billion in fiscal year 2004 alone. Furthermore, the projected spending for 2005 is a conservative estimate, since it doesn’t include at least $50 billion for the 2005 cost of the Iraq occupation.
As predicted by Independent Institute Senior Fellow Robert Higgs, author of such key books as Crisis and Leviathan and the new Against Leviathan, this explosion of government power would only have been possible in the aftermath of 9/11. Times of crisis present the easiest opportunities for politicians to take advantage of a frightened American public.
President George W. Bush is now on his way to becoming the first full-term president since John Quincy Adams (1825-1829) to not veto a single bill.
The result is a congress that has been completely unconstrained in satiating its appetite for pork and corporate welfare. In response, Democratic challenger John Kerry has maligned alleged spending cuts and called for even higher taxes and spending. The consequence is that we now have two parties competing to see which can grow government faster.
From the massive increases in agricultural subsidies in t
>> Politifact.com ~ regarding money matters
On Jan. 7, 2009, two weeks before Obama took office, the Congressional Budget Office reported that the deficit for fiscal year 2009 was projected to be $1.2 trillion. The 10-year projection was estimated to be about $3.1 trillion. So Obama’s number was very close on the 2009 deficit — he said $1.3 trillion — but substantially different from the 10-year projection — he said $8 trillion.
There are two reasons why he differs from the CBO. On the difference between the $1.2 trillion and the $1.3 trillion, the Obama administration credited a small portion of spending on its watch to policies of the previous administration. The reason for this is that the federal government runs on a fiscal year that starts Oct. 1, so Bush and Obama technically split responsibility for 2009 spending.
The large difference on the 10-year projection has to do with Bush administration tax cuts. The CBO creates its estimates based on current law, which means the CBO assumes that the Bush tax cuts will end in 2010 and everyone will start paying higher taxes in 2011 and going forward. The Obama administration, on the other hand, assumed in its baseline that those tax cuts WOULD BE renewed.
Economists we spoke with — Josh Gordon, policy director for the Concord Coalition, and Brian Riedl, lead budget analyst of the conservative Heritage Foundation — both said they believe the White House approach is more realistic because it assumes current policy will continue.
So the CBO’s estimate is $5 trillion lower than the White House numbers, though economists don’t quibble with the White House methodology. It does highlight, however, that when it comes to budget projections, people can have differences of opinion about what to include. In any budget projection there is room for interpretation, but it seems reasonable to assume for a baseline that the Bush tax cuts will continue. Obama’s numbers are fairly solid, so we rate his statement Mostly True.<<
! So what gives with all the big crocodile tears about spending now by this "sitting " President.
Please make your case ~ and refrain from innuendo and inference statements. You know, like use ~ "Facts" ?
Or have you just waken from a comma?
Just once I would like someone to quit pointing at the past and saying ” well they didnt do it either.” How old are you people. The things that are happening are now. Its how it is delt with NOW. The comander in Chief is refusing to defend America at a time of war. Enstead of protecting us he is sueing AZ.
He is with holding records that should have been public BEFORE he could have been elected.
He is spending money as it grows on trees. I want some if its so freely given. I have worked all my life and ask for nothing but a free life in America speeking english and loving this country.
You dont love it here. Get out. You dont follow the rules. Get out.
I know its plain and simple but are you really blind with furry to see what he is doing to us.
Has anyone noticed how much this insurance went up already for next year to cover those illegal who dont have insurance? I dont know what I will do to go from 50.00 copay to 2500 family deductable and then 80 /20. Do you see what this health care bill has done?
Please people. Its not about Demicrat, Republican black or white. I just want my freedom and to do what is right.
Bob, don’t you ask yourself WHY no such article exists from the MSM today?
We are spending so much we decided to not even budget for it!
What do you think is going to happen to the spending when health care finally kicks in?
Insanity.
Bush was a disaster, but to honestly say he was on a bigger spending path than Pelosi and her three LARGEST budgets in history, is revisionist history at its finest.
So you want a Do nothing President? ~
Or a Do Everything President?
Or just what YOU think needs to be done?
If you are so darn hard to please maybe you should take charge!
Where have you been during all of this? ~ This didn’t happen today, who caught your britches on fire?
When did you get so gd vocal about your wishes? Where was your voice after 9-11, calling for the FED to do it’s darn job and get these eastern types that’s not working at becoming American out of here?
You think your Huffing and Puffing like the big bad wolf is going to implement some “desired” effect?
The border issue is being addressed ~ and more is too be done.
They a cuffing and stuffing them now. ~ Deportation is at a record high ~ Immigration have even been deporting parents of anchor children.
The gate is slowly being shut ~ and a lot of people are being effected by it. Things are indeed a changing on our border states.
So, ~ read the news ~ and quit allow the media to spoon feed you in your Lazy Boy.
Bob Wire says:
“So you want a Do nothing President? ~
Or a Do Everything President?
Or just what YOU think needs to be done? ”
We want a President who will uphold the Constitution. Who will block violations of our liberty at EVERY turn. We want representatives who will actually uphold and defend the Constitution and its strict LIMITATIONS on federal power.
As a plus we would like Presidents and representatives who will actually READ what they vote and sign for.
http://www.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/27
Vickie,
It appears Bob W is having a melt down here. He didn’t have that far to go anyway.
Yep all “facts” from a progresive liberal media whore.
Bob Wire, I know I am spitting in a hurricane trying to talk facts with a liberal ( you do at least know what they are right?); 1) Democrats are to be blamed for the melt down as much if not more than Republicans. Google Barney Frank and Bush and Freddie Mac. Tell us how many times Bush wanted and tried to fix the problem. 2. Most of the leaders of the failed banks were not Republicans, or what part of Ginther do you not understand. 3. It is Bush’s fault. Even if that was a true statement, no one forced the O to be President; Barrick ran was elected when took over from Bush it became his. Not once during his “failed” Presidency, did Bush ever blame W.J. Clinton for the problems he, worked very hard to solve them, history will judge his Presidency.
You have got to be the most idiotic booger eating moron I have ever had the misfurtune to read the insane ramblings of. Go suck a camel turd with your fellow lame-brained leader jackass!!!!
Hate is not a family value please raise the bar for sound debate for humane solutions to our complex challenges!
Never stop learning: http://www.obamaachievements.com/
Oh good God… what a narsisistic piece of work that site is… It looks like a bunch of high shcoolers trying to see how many ways they can say the same thing and get credit for a long essay for English I class. I give it an “F”.
“Hate is not a family value ” ~
Are you sure? ~ I was being to think it was! It’s sure been passed on.
Then stupid must not be a virtue!
But we can still love Palin! right?
B Wire, Some days your posts come really close to common sense, and then we have days like today…
I was wondering if you have a persoanlity disorder and maybe sometimes you forget to take your meds. Either that or you are just another liberal posting under different names and have trouble keeping them straight.
You seem unusually testy today.
Gun Dr….thanks for the laugh in all this misery! Booger Eating Moron! ROFL!!!
angel
well done!lol
John McCain claims his birth certificates are real.
But why should we believe him?
He was born in Meso-America.
John McCain was born in Panama Canal… US territory then I think.
McCain is a republican progressive, unfortunately.
He tried to pass a bill a year ago or so to stop people from aquiring natural remedies or supplements for good health. This would be BAD for many Americans who have dropped the cancerous, expensive synthetic pharmaceutical drugs for natural ones that are safe.
I think he went due center when Sarah Palin came in to support and campaign for him. He even talks like he cares about the BORDER now when he’s been in office for 30 years and could have done something WAY BACK WHEN.
He told a concerned woman on TV that “BO was a good family man and not a muslim.” Please… puke.
He’s in on the heist… illegal prez and all.
Christian, as usual, you radicals don’t know your facts, We leased the Panama Canal, it was not a US terrority. A special act of Congress was held in 2008 to make McCain eligible to run. He had to become a naturalized citizen. He also does not have birth certificate information available. He isn’t even logged in at the hospital he was born at. You and your buddies are RWA’s who are trying to destroy this country with nonsense. Basically you are saying that your Party didn’t protect you by not vetting this President correctly? Don’t you think that the Koch Industries with all their money would have been able to find out if he wasn’t a citizen? They are the richest company in America, and they funded the Heritage foundation, and 30 more conservative think tanks. Common sense would dicatate that they would havae prevented him from running if he wasn’t a citizen. Too funny.
eyesgluedshut
where in the heck do you get the idea that the Panama Canal Zone was not a US Territory? Read the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_Zone
Besides that, both of McCain’s parents are Americans.
Now getting back to your messiah Obummer, the reason the liberals don’t care about ascertaining his citizenship has to do with their One World Order mentality. They don’t really give a crap where’s he’s from, just protect him and hide his records. In the liberal’s eye, even Calderon would make a fine US President.
GUNDOCTOR,
In the future, warn us in advance….I will never read another of your posts…while drinking a can of soda….OMG…the mess I have to clean up now…not to mention , my sinus’ may never be the same….ROFLMAO!!!!
Might I add to your post?….the only thing you forgot to ask:
How would you like a bumper sandwich…booger lips?
Avg Joe…I’m glad someone else did the same thing…I just had this vision of grade school all over…”I know you are but what am I?” and all the name calling and “booger eater” was priceless! Gotta love the humor! We need more laughter that’s for sure!
I’m still laughing at “booger eating moron”….I have tears rolling down my face OMG! Too funny!
And “suck a camel turd”…sorry, I know I’m pathetic that one post has made me chuckle all day!!! I need to get a life! Thank you Gundoctor!
airangel,
Laughter is the one of the best ways to make the world a little more tolerable…when one single comment can make you chuckle all day long….it is a good thing, because for that whole day…the world looks a whole lot brighter.
HFlashman is right, in a way, but not for the reasons he imagines. True, the country needs rebuilding. True, it was after years of incompetence, lying and stupidity. The stupidity and the lies are taught every day in universities – that you can spend your way to prosperity, that money need not be anything except paper IOU’s, not backed by anything tangible or of value, such as gold or silver, and that America is just an idea, and not a unique country with a unique people and traditions. The incompetence includes George W., but it goes back further than he imagines…all the way back to 1913, with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th Amendment, which was never properly ratified by the states. The Federal Reserve Act was passed without the required constitutional amendment. Why incompetence? Because the history of every fiat currency has been the same – they all die after about forty years. What is the definition of insanity – incompetence in this context? Doing the same thing and expecting different results. We are now nearing the conclusion of this whole scenario – the dollar is dying, our leadership is unprincipled and treasonous, and the country bankrupt and on the verge of revolt.
Thanks Mr. Kroger for your insights, I would go back even a bit further than 1913 and point to the formation of the Roundtable via Cecil Rhodes. But let me get on with my point.
A pig is a pig is a pig, no matter which side of the trough he feeds from. The Republicans are no better than the Democrats and they both are in bed with the multinational corporations.
This schoolyard tribalism mentality (my side is always right and your side is always wrong) is just another way to keep us fighting among ourselves. (Something the people here have yet to fully comprehend)
Obama (or Barry Sotero) merely continued this raping of the American taxpayers (via the so called bailout) that was initially implemented by Bush during his last months in office.
The same den of Vipers (Greenspan, Geithner, Hank Paulson, Larry Summers etc.) have been lurking around the beltway since the Clinton regime. Its just one big game of musical chairs. The Bush regime let these jackals run wild and Obama just put a smiley face on the whole kit and kaboodle. The heart of the problem lies with our monetary policy. As long as we allow the Banksters and Gangsters via the Fed Reserve Board to control the issuance of our currency we will never retain our sovereignty or so called freedom. The problems of high unemployment and the rebuilding of the country’s infrastructure, will never be addressed in a timely fashion because these people (Globalists) have an agenda to break America down. Americans must look carefully at how these villains are going about destroying our way of life. An excellent place to start is the Bank of International Settlements (Bis.org) This is the Central Bank of ALL the central banks. Our currency is in the process of being destroyed and replaced by this thing they call ”Special Drawing Rights”
By using Obama as their “whipping boy” (he’s the guy you love to hate, and all of you take to that task with such relish) they’ve misdirected your attention away from the endgame… Command and Control of your existance from cradle to grave.
BEA-UTI-MUS!
Mabuse
thats why we need to vote Ron Paul in to take out the federal reserve and to stop playing the police in every country for the nwo.
Right on, Dr. But this has been going on since Woodrow Wilson, with FDR probably being the most egregious (Obama may upstage FDR).
Debasement will come soon enough to the American currency.
So vote for more tax cuts and more spending. Then you will get it behind you.
Remember you can better spend that money on home flipping and condo-conversions.
This is for edie47
Even if you octomom Nobamas accomplishments you still would not have any thing to write about
I saw this program on the war of 1812.
The incompetence and corruption was back there too. We almost became a colony again.
HFlashman, keep out the Hitler quotes, it got me in trouble last week.
What Hitler quotes?
HFlashman, sorry, it was Herman Goering.
I don’t believe the constitution says any thing in regards to military records, deferments or drug use (18th Prez U S Grant was a drunk). These moral issues are up to the voters to decide. But it does say you MUST be a naturlized Citizen.
NATURAL BORN CITIZEN —–NOT NATURALIZED
Natural, like born of woman?
Is there unnatural citizens?
Here is a good discussion of the meaning of “natural born”
http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html
HFlashman
Sir again your wrong try telling the truth sometime. Bush was in the National Guard Flying F-100s and the Airforce didn’t need that plane or pilots that flew them. By the way Absent without leave(AWOL) is people who run from their duty, In witch Bush did not do. The CBS Broadcaster lost his job over this and you just lost all of your credability. If your going to say something at least tell the truth
you put a nice spin on everything… but the truth is the truth
Pot can’t call the kettle black & I’m getting dizzy from all the spin put out by both sides, but ESPECIALLY the Liberal Left. Look at where our country has been, where it is now, & where it is headed if we don’t radically change course. THAT’s change we can believe in!
dstk,
And you are an expert on truth how?
Evidence, dstk?
You surely don’t expect us to believe the word of a Liberal?
HFlashman had credibility? When? when he was still in his mothers womb? Credibility left the the train station with that one many many moons ago.
In other words He was useless and his daddy pulled strings.
At least the swiftboated guy showed up.
AWOL is not being there for morning roll call when you are suppose to be or abandoning a duty station.
Harry Reasoner was on a quest to find the truth about 43, ~ this is true. What he found instead was a cover up. A Laundry Job of the records. ~
The three man panel that fire Reasoner was led by a distinguished media personality that was well thought of in the Media community and two other men. One of these other men was a prior H. Bush Presidential appointee.
It’s was difficult to ever find out much about this panel. It just refereed as “A Panel” which arose my suspicions. At one time, I had taken the time and effort to dig and find and identify as many of the players in this RailRoad Job as possible. It’s been clouded, even to the panel that rendered the decision. No political affiliation was offered about these three men, ~ but since one had served under H. Bush this bit history could not be erased.
Bottom line was; W’s military record had big holes in it and the parties that might shed some light on the matter “just wasn’t available” plus there was conflicting stories and accounts that didn’t add up.
Harry was after the dirt because He hated the H Bush’s and the H Bush’s hated Harry.
Harry Resoner later sued, but a New York Judge restricted his defense by not permitting certain evidence to be entered into the record.
Summary? The Bush’s won another one and Harry Reasoner lost.
Now if you are of the opinion Truth and Righteousness prevailed in this case ~ On a recent trip to Dallas I unearthed a spent rife ball on the Grass Knoll. ~ NATO Steel Jacket 7.65 mm ~ The bidding starts at $50. dollars, do I hear 55?
Bob wire……Harry Reasoner???…..Don’t you mean Dan Rather?
The point has been completely missed because everyone wants to play the blame game. In order to be eligible to be President of this country you have to be a citizen. It is remiss on anyone to ignore the simple “FACT” that a real birth certificate has yet to be provided. It’s amazing how the smoke screen still exists and we can all get side tracked by our individual beliefs. Make it simple and quit “playing politics”…provide that which is crucial to the legitimacy of being eligible for the Presidency. Covering it up can only breed the question.
HFlasher……you just don’t get it. There you go again talking about Bush and other politicians. Tearing down this Country? You have got to be kidding me? This is the most divisive president ever. Period. It is he with his stupid comments, his actions which seem racist and biased towards minorities (i.e. his policies) and the fact HE REFUSES to show the real records behind his birth. Uh, he and the Progressives are tearing this country apart by taking us a direction the MAJORITY do not want to go. Get it?
Hey buddy, got news for you. Someone’s background, including their actual legal citizenship is much, much more important than weather GW did coke back in the 80′s. Get real.
Your a bozo like the rest of Obama’s mindless followers.
Plus you don’t justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.
flashboy I see you’r still on the koolaid,
After reading this article and referencing the information for it from the sources he has gathered his information from, you would think you could sift the b.s. from the cold, hard, truth but you my friend must love being completely deluded when it comes to having a foreign born, foreign citizen/globalist agent, fraud, cheat, liar, as your President. You just don’t want to see, don’t want to know the truth, you live in an illusion, your feet do not touch the ground, and you will march yourself happily right into the traps the globalists have waiting for you and you will still ask, “Sir, may I have another?” Sad state of affairs.
Come on, guys. Flash is just trying to divert the focus to Bush, once again.
Anyone who is willing to be objective can see that something is terribly amiss concerning Obama/Soetoro. Personally, I’m going to ignore all the protests and diversions coming from the progressive nursery room.
Let’s all stop wasting our time on ole FLASHMAN! Deal?
How about someone coming up with a standard reply post for the FLASH?
Maybe something like:
WARNING!!! Brain dead progressive! Do not respond! You could be putting your common sense and your love for GOD and COUNTRY at RISK!
Lubo
I like it!
LOL. That’s funny, but I still think it’s good to have the “brain-dead” Liberals posting here. How else are regular folks going to learn how bereft they are of morality, decency, and honesty?
T DaveH…Good point but you have to admit, that was pretty darn funny.
DaveH, let the libs post all they want. The thing is, though, that they are trying to set us off. And they always get their desired reaction.
Let them post, but if we would all just ignore them and go on, that would speak louder than all the retorts. Imagine their disappointment when they get no respose! They are used to controlling the direction of the debate, and provoking us with their spiteful name-calling.
DaveH.,
I do agree with you on this point especially. Until I got on this site Personal Liberty, I had no idea of the ignorance and stupidity that could be displayed by the radical liberal leftists. I actually had confidence in our country and most all of her citizens, then I got introduced to THEM.
How some people can justify their thought patterns as rational has been an education into the world of stupidity. This site has been an eye opener for me.
Most people that I know don’t always believe me about how they feel. They think it is impossibke for people to be that naive. I just invite them to read some of the posts on here and they are shocked.
At least it gives them the resolve to get out and vote.
Lubo, never heard a truer comment,I’m still laughing…
Yeah, ignore him. This brainless antagonist was in a conversation the other day on another matter and he was against whatever anyone else on the site was for.
If you see his name or a post that looks like it has his mindless babble – just pass it by and do not respond. It’ll drive him crazy knowing that he is not getting through to anyone!
The “first black President” said he didn’t inhale (yeah, right, Elvis lives & the check is in the mail) & his own half-brother (we’ve had two too many half-brothers in the WH) said Clinton had a “nose like a vacuum cleaner” when it came to cocaine. Wanna talk about recreational drug abuse among politicians? BRING IT ON!
WARNING!!! Brain dead progressive! Do not respond! You could be putting your common sense and your love for GOD and COUNTRY at RISK!
The Liberals complained plenty about Bush. They still are, as evidenced by your comment. So what? Since when have two wrongs made a right, Flashman?
Well Dave, ~ progressives have you at a great disadvantage, when it came to complaining about Bush they didn’t have to create and make thing up.
Bob, Bob, Bob. Make things up? Did we make up the National Debt growth of $2.7 Trillion (over $8,000 for every man, woman, and child in the Country) in 19 months? Did we make up the bailouts for badly operated companies? Did we make up the bailouts for badly operated states? Do you think people are going to wise up when their mistakes are paid for by other people?
Bob Wire…..Do what????
What is it you don’t understand about basic math or economics?
What is it you don’t understand about spending our Children and Grandchildren into economic slavery???
What is it you don’t understand about WE THE PEOPLE saying NO to OBAMACARE and then these CRIMINALS, after bribing half the congress, pass it though reconciliation with a simple 51 vote majority?
What is it that you don’t understand about a REPUBLIC with a constitution that has had MASSIVE SOCIAL DEMOCRACY “Spead the wealth around” marxist programs crammed down our throats for a 100 years that are mutually exlusive to our constitution?
What is it you don’t understand about that? Can you relate that with the 13 TRILLION dollar debt with 100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities???? What is it Bob…. You think your BOY-Hero in the white house can spend us into prosperity??? Come on Bob, tell us?
What is it you don’t understand about this divisive Chicago THUG we have in the white house who can’t even or won’t prove his citizenship?
What is it Bob, tell us? Enlighten us!
Your figured are erroneous projections at best ~ and fail to take in account of some things ~ just one of many things ~ The Administration does not factor in increased revenue offered by expired tax cut or future growth.
On Inauguration Day, the Debt stood at $10.626 trillion. The latest posting from the Treasury Department shows that as of July 31st, the debt hit $11.669 trillion. ` That’s 1.043 trillion in 17 months.
You fail to consider that much of the original stimulus money has yet to be released by GOP states such as Texas. And While still today The Fed is holding back funds allocated to be released in coming months. ~
If you wish to criticize this administration spending practices it only fair we have something to compare them to.
This administration stated out with much “left undone” and ambitious plans. There was no Honeymoon on capital hill or the press ! They were in a fight from day one.
I would expect spending to slow in the coming years ~ unlike Bush’s run away coal train.
Wall Street got their shot in the arm. Are they of greater importance then the average American family?
and on a side note; Owing money can and is used as leverage, if you are in for a penny, your are in for a pound. It’s much harder to say “no” to people that owe you money. That’s the very nature of money.
It seems that you people wish to ignore the very nature of money and see it in a single dimension. How did you get to be Republicans with such a narrow understanding of money?
I think that you are just attempting to be “thick” and appeal to simpler minds.
this President has done nothing unusual, out of the ordinary from any others that have came before.
As for Chicago and where he came from, We sent you a Georgia Peanut Farmer and you treated him the very same way, attempted to make him look a fool at very turn in the road.
I’d think Chicago an excellent place to learn the in’s & out’s of politics. So far , ~ he’s accomplished what few would dare attempt. So you decided ~ is he either very smart or very stupid? He can’t be both.
Let’s face it! ~ No DNC President has appealed to this bunch of people that depend on “status quo” system. Which must make you part of what your a protesting and attempting to defeat.
myself ~ I want government that works for all people and not just a few insiders,triple dippers, day traders and bankers.
My biggest concern at the present is this deep water drilling moratorium. This affects all drilling water in excess of 500 ft. ~ This is hurting us! in the worst way.
We need to get past this moratorium and move on.
Why not focus on something truly important and stay on the button?
Leave our president alone. You are correct. He has done more for us in his short time in office than either of the Bush’s. Someone is again trying to put down our elected President. Give it a rest.
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Betty Ware,
Perfect example of my post above which in part says,
How some people can justify their thought patterns as rational has been an education into the world of stupidity. This site has been an eye opener for me.
Can you name some of those things he’s done for us?
Here, I’ll get you started:
He’s wasted our money, so as to keep us from becoming greedy rich people.
He’s made Socialism vs. Freedom into a Racist issue.
He’s shown the Green-Eyed Liberals that Politicians can party just as hardy as the Rich people can.
He’s shown the country that proclaiming “you lie” is a more heinous crime than actually being the liar (if you’re a Liberal).
He’s established firmly that the Democrats win hands down when it comes to forcing people to do things, with their own lives, that they don’t want to do.
And last, but not least, He’s awakened people to the dangers of Big Government. That’s a good thing. Thank you, Obama.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Well said again, my friend!
Dave I know your not waiting for a response but well said again!
YEOW! That was great! Thanks again DaveH.
what you are calling “waste” Dave ~ is a job to someone else.
The Bushes ~ didn’t do me a dime’s worthy of good , the whole miserable 12 years, ~
41 was a simpler man then 43. Read my lip! Thousand points of light! I’d like to show them both a thousand point of light! ~ one of the main reasons why the nations is so screwed up to day. ~ No Leadership! They let things run themselves , ~ special interest had a “Field Day! ~ and now they are not liking this new President one bit! ~ Special Interest has got most of you here bought and paid for. You’ve install your own nose ring.
Bob,
It would be a job, and hard work, to catalog all the rocks in the desert. Would anybody voluntarily pay for such waste? Of course not!
And why must we always go back to Bush? He’s been gone now for 19 months. I didn’t vote for Bush, so can you at least spare me the hot air?
And, Bob, You and your kind through their Big Government bullies have installed any ring there might be in my nose. You can cry about the Big Bad Corporations all you want, but they would be powerless to do anything but please us if they didn’t have your Big Government to protect and nurture them at the expense of their competition and at the expense (both money and freedom) of the consumer.
Bob Wire…… Bush#1 did it! No, I meant Bush#2 did it! ooooooooohhhhhh…I mean what I mean, ya know! Dem darn BUSHES, I mean BUsh’s or sompin like dat…You know!
He is the best.
Got Health care reform, got US out of Iraq, plugged up the oil leak.
He got a bad hand from the last guy. Too bad he didn’t come to office with the budget in the black.
Egads! Another lost sheep with blinders on! The oil crisis wouldn’t have even happened if they didn’t have to bloody drill 5,000 ft down. Had it happened in 2,000 acres on dry land, it would be a non-issue and I’ll agree, I was not happy with the last president, nor the one before him and before him…probably since 1913 to be exact however when you have jobs and people working, it empowers them so they can take pride in themselves, and feed and take care of their family….NEVER BEFORE have I seen so many idle hands and wasted minds on Government hand outs – Food Stamps, Section 8 housing, Title 1 schools, welfare checks, baby funding like they’re numbers instead of children that actually deserve a family that can care for them…the lazy lifestyle we are encouraging is pathetic! No one wants to work, they just want hand …that quote says a lot
~dissolve the Federal Reserve
~dissolve the IRS
~do away with Income tax and charge a flat VAT tax on what you actually purchase and consume (this would make these tax free illegals have to pay their fair share too)
~no Government assistance for children (no tax credits) With only a VAT tax and the removal of income tax, you should be able to take care of your own family…you have them, you take care of them (it’s called Planned Parenthood)..this might prevent many illegals from popping anchor babies if they knew they wouldn’t get anything
~put video cameras in public schools and fire any teacher not teaching the curriculm and get all pre-dated 1900 books back in school with the ‘REAL HISTORY’
~term limits for politicians of 4 years
A few starters that could have immediate impact!
Healthcare reform???? Are you just stupid or do have a brain tumor. This idiot has not given us reform. Healthcare is worse off now…
Healthcare reform???? Are you just stupid or do have a brain tumor. This idiot has not given us reform. Healthcare is worse off now…
Just think, your operation will be given to an illegal alien. Now that is maybe good for you, but not for me.
What did he do for you? What he really did is a damage to America and American people. Wake up, it will be soon too late.
Do you know what ppls life is under big government? Do you know what socialize health care is? Stay away… and you will be happy. Don’t look for trouble. Or you need some idiots in power,who will lead you teach and decide for you. NO THANKS!
Ho Hum. Another blame Bush comment……..
What no one seems to understand is the fact that Bush the Junior was no better than his father or Bill Clinton…They are all the same.New world order type. Globalist. Traitors. Warmongers Bilderberg meeting attendees. Bohemian Grove attendees…The list goes on. The bushes admittedly weren’t exactly looking out for America’s best interests, but the difference between Obama and the bushes is on of degree. Either Bush certainly damaged our great constitutional REPUBLIC. in the two short years The POTUS has been in office, he has not only more than doubled the national debt, but has strong armed thru unconstitutional mandates in collusion with a compliant congress and senate. ” we got the power now, and were taking’ over” so to speak….But all that will end in November, When the pendulum will swing back in the other direction. Since the Democratic party behaved in such a totalitarian way with the health care initiative, they have awakened a sense of danger and alarm in the American people that hasn’t been seen since the Shots fired at Lexington and Concord. This is major history in the making, folks….Stay tuned
Earl this is why I cant understand the liberals always bringing up the bushes.all of the nwo pushers had there hand in it and now its time to take back what is ours the constitution and I dont care what side of the isle there on as long as its for the rights that we bleed for.
Flashman;
We will start the rebuilding as soon as he gets out of office.
Military records aside. Bush was eligible to be President. Period.
HFlashman,regardless of bushes military record it had nothing to do with if he was constitutionally qualified to be president not like the question of obamas citizenship.that’s like trying to compare apples with oranges.the only birth certificate ever shown was a live birth certif that anyone could get just for the asking,that’s not proof! by obama’s own admission,he traveled to pakistan which, at the time,Americans were not allowed to travel to.so how did obama travel there using a American passport?
Hey Flashy—–Get a life. your just another one of those clowns that have their head in the sand.First of all,President Bush was an f-101 fighter pilot in the air national guard. I’d like to see anyone of you dumlibs come close to that fete. One of the most sophisticated fighter bombers at the time.—-2nd, he never went awol as proved by his commander’s son who outed the phony Dan Rather, along with his crony who gave him (Rather) a forged document supposedly from his commander saying he was awol.Thus Rather was fired from his anchor job, and the lady that gave it to him went to jail. 3rd, he admitted drinkink in college, but was clean for 20 to 30 years. Your messiah lies everytime he opens his mouth and idiots like you believe him. I served in the USMC for 5 years, and am a disabled vet.This clown you adore is nothing but a cluster*%#* who is stomping this country into the ground and is enjoying it while fying around trying to sell his garbage to people on our dime along with his “now I’m happy to be an American” wife after he was defrauded into the white house.I was 17 when I joined, what did you do for this country? besides bash the one true moral and sane pres. we ever had. You libtards would all be speaking arabic, unless your head was chopped off, if it wasn’t for Pres. Bush—-get a life, what are you smoking?
Yea but those guys didn’t have any issues showing their long-form birth certificates, did they?
Sorry dude, your lying liberal agenda has shown you to be a big fat liar once again. All of Bush’s records were revealed and open to the public, and many of you chastized him for serving in the reserves. Gee, how much military service has Obama had? Oops, he probably didnt serve, because he would have had to provide a birth certificate, and he cant do that, as we all know, or it would have been done by now. And Mr. Bush smoking some pot in college, does not make him a coke head. Those are two different animals, just incase you cannot tell the difference between the two. And your boy Obama, was a coke whore in in younger years, and I heard him admit it. But to those charges you try to bring up about what they did or didnt do when they were young men, I say big stinking deal. When I was young I tried everything under the sun, except a needle. I dont know, and I reject that kind of thing, but hey, we were all young and live and learn, but yet idiots like you try to bring that up as a scar, when to those of us with any sort of wisdom, recognize it as them moving on past a certain time, and getting better with their lives. I guess you dont, thats why you keep plastering your pathetic lies in these posts. Now go to the store with your food stamps and get yourself some food.
Obama does nothing but lie I do not believe a word that comes out of his mouth.
I believe he is the anti-christ..
Yes he lies but he is NOT the ANTI-CHRIST
If there is an anti-Christ in this crowd it’s either George Soros or Ram Emanuel.
Gunner
Its george (soros} spelled backwards!
If you spell Soros backwards you get soroS. How terribly convenient.
Anti Christ is a nonsensical. Medieval terminology when the Christians suppressed science like they did under Bush.
He would have to be the anti-Mohammad
I agree, it surely is not nobama, He is just not smart enough.
Christians do not suppress science. Christians embrace science as one of the methods to understand the Grand Creation that is our Fathers work and gift to all of us. There are of course those who would suppress truth and knowledge for their own ends. Some of them may claim to be Christian. Some will claim to be liberal (Hi Al).
Climategate demonstrates that wolves come in many clothes.
I don’t know about him being the Anti-Christ, but he has definately proven himself to be the Anti-America president.
AGREE!, Obama is for everything anti-american.
Obummer is a domestic terrorist.
So you say he is an American like Tim McVeigh?
I believe he is saying that he is a terrorist….on American (domestic) soil.
KENYAN MARXIST PROFESSOR OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. I saw him mocking the Bible in video 2006. ANTICHRIST? http://www.obamacrimes.com
If you believe that, when the real one comes along, you will be enthralled…..The real Antichrist will be FAR more deceptive and seductive!
So true Earl,most don’t have a clue on what the anti-Christ will be like.
Eddie
so what would he be like?just asking!
T eddie47d…..and???? Just what will the Anti-Christ look like? I’ve talked with some of the greatest biblical experts on the planet about this subject, so why don’t you enlighten us?
Let’s just say that it won’t be Obama. You go for the too obvious and will not see the true anti-Christ coming! Maybe I won’t either.
eddie47d…I never said Obama was the anti-christ. He’s to DUMB to handle the role, Heck, He can’t even manage a country much less the world!
You are probably the pawn of the one true leader.
and your abundance of contempt is superseded only by your lack of tolerance for opposing viewpoints.
This president has conducted himself in much the same way as all others that has came before. Such accusation are baseless and a product of your illusions of superiority.
Vague innuendo’s is all you got, all you’ve ever had.
I personally think where people come from, not near as important as where they are going. ~ Obama is living proof the American dream is possible for anyone that want’s it bad enough.
I would think that might offer every American call for excitement.
But the 1st chair position has never been a popularity contest. I’d doubt if he gives a $hlt what you think, I know I don’t.
Mr. Wire
Sir the first amendment says we have the right to say anthing as long as it does not hurt anyone. Just because you do not like what someone says, does not mean you can say obsencities. Did she lie? Is Obama gulity of lieing is he over stepping his office bounds? The answer is YES!!!
Fighter Pilot,
The first Amendment does not infer any “rights’ at all. It simply tells the government what it cannot do.
The amendment prohibits the making of any law “respecting an establishment of religion”, impeding the free exercise of religion, infringing on the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
Most people make the mistake (don’t take this as an attck, it is not) of assuming that the Constitution infers rights given, this is not the case.
I will attempt to explain this as simply as possible.
The Constitution is a contract between the government and the people, establishing what the government can and cannot do. Since it is a contract (which was signed by our government representatives at the time of it’s adoption), the government is the only “party” to the contract. The “people” did not sign the document and therefore are not a party to the contract. In other words, it is a contract to hold our government accountable to “We the People”. Nowhere in the Constitution are we given any rights at all. We have no “Constitutional Rights”, to say otherwise is a misnomer.
Next, is the Declaration of Independence.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
Notice the line:.
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights
So, where do we get our “Rights”?
We don’t get them from the Government.
We don’t get them from the Constitution.
We get our “Rights” from “our Creator”.
The next time you are in a courtroom and someone “Demands” their Constitutional rights…watch the Judge roll his eyes and tell the person :”If you mention the Constituion again in this court, I will charge you with contempt”. Why? because the judge judge understands the rules of contract law…you didn’t sign the document, therefore you have no standing before the court. (Unless of course the trial is concerning some violation of the Constituion by a member of the government or deciding whether a law is constitutional or not), otherwise, there is no standing before the court.
I hope that I have been clear and concise on the matter of the Constitution and where we derive our rights from.
The Constitution is a set of rules for the Government to abide by.
We get our Rights from our creator.
Peace be with you
Healthcare is according to the left a “right” isnt it?A “right” which is mandatory under the law.I t is a “right” which you will be fined for not joining in.The Left spent mant years arguing for such a “right”,only to make it a mandatory law.Is there any amongst you lefties that will try to explain that one away with any degree of semblence?
DREAM ? He’s the American nightmare.
I am a 100% agree with you. I am just wondering, American people need changes in a socialist direction? Do you need life in darkness?
People, you don’t need changes, he proposed . This country is the best.
Believe me, I lived under big government, I lived in the country with totalitarian regimen. I know what means spread wealth around… .
Save your country and your happy life.
The political atmosphere these days is the most heated I can remember. It is not just this administration, it is all administrations. The current administration is over reaching (as has many others) and finally the sleeping giant has been awakened. We are through with our rights being chipped away at and being taxed to sneeze in this country.
I do not negate anyone who supports Obama, but he did have the unique position to unite this country and has done more to divide it than any President I recall. Change has not been what anyone expected.
blah, blah, blah Bob Wire. More pathetic, liberal nonsense.
Why don’t you liberals let us Americans run our Country now? Okay?
Tolerance for other people? I’m sure our enemies will “have tolerance” for us you friggin clown. You just don’t get it. This isn’t about decorum and dignity and being objective you clown. This is about survival of our way of life. Yes, its that serious. You can’t see it b/c your too busy worried about coming off as an intellectual. Pathetic.
Let’s get this understood, When you win a election and the 1st chair position, You are refereed to as President and Commander and Chief.
When you loose an election, ~ you are ~ not.
Does that make sense to you?
bob if you in fact dont give a s–t as you say. why the hell did you waste this space with your BULL?
Very good point! When soneone says to me “I don’t give a !&%….That means that they DO! Otherwise, you would not even get a comment one way or the other.
Amazing…you think it is just fine that the President doesn’t care what the majority of his country is telling him? It does seem so and that is the biggest problem with this administration. He has his own agenda and America be damned. I do not say Republicans and Democrats are really any different…our entire government is ignoring the will of the people.
Mr. Obama’s website before he became President said (briefly, before somebody noticed they published the TRUTH) he would be ready to RULE from day one when he was elected. We don’t have a RULER in America, but that is EXACTLY how he acts.
Nina….Welcome to “progressive-land”…..The 20% of the so called “Elites” are telling the remaining 80% to take a hike with no regard to our constitution.
Let’s vote them out come November and then jump start some REAL CHANGE.
I agree with you…it’s hard to recognize this country any longer and shame on all of us for not actually seeing it being stolen away from us so underhandedly! I am awake now and I wish we could stop government from using our tax dollars as their own personal checkbook. I don’t want to find a better way for turtles to cross the street…I would rather help pay for “anything” that actually makes sense! I wonder if common sense has evaded ALL politicians?
Nina….Most all politicians have been blinded by greed and power. CLEAN HOUSE!!!!!
being open minded does not mean disbelief in the constitution, God, and this country.
“Obama is living proof the American dream is possible for anyone that want’s it bad enough. ”
Ummm…more like affirmative action is still alive in America.
Obama is also living proof that we can drop the “affermative action” nonsense and live the way MLK dreamed of. Judge by the content of character.
That being said look that the character of those Obama surrounds himself with.
Come time to vote in Nov let us vote for those who’s actions (voting record) clearly show them to be in FULL support of the Constitution. This of course means voting out most everyone but Mr Ron Paul.
Oh, Bob. I wish it was only “lack of tolerance for opposing viewpoints”. Unfortunately, this man and his gang of Democrats are spending our money like it was their own. That is a little more serious than an “opposing viewpoint”. Every one of us (and our children) are going to pay for those excesses. Give it a year or two. You will see.
DaveH….I give it three months, tops, before it all comes crashing down.
DaveH,
He does think its all his. He also thinks he was voted in as Pres. just to go on all of these vacations, and play golf, and take his wife on expensive dates, and send his wife on expensive trips so the taxpayers can pay for her security.
They remind me of Scrooge McDuck swimming around in his vault of money. Its almost as though he has gone MAD with power.
I have seen that happen often with human beings, Jana. What I don’t understand is why their green-eyed followers give their largess a pass?
BOB,you must mean obama has conducted himself like one other president,jimmy carter.no other president could come close to being as dividing,undecisive or asinine as obama.actually carter isn’t even close!
Good point Wayne, ~ The right attacks every democratic President!
Only the biggest and the most clever can with-stand such a relentless constant barrage. LBJ was just to mean! and he was feared, He knew where the bodies was buried,
Clinton came under constant attack as well, and the GOP and right winger did everything the could to bring his administration down.
You people have developed quite a predictable patten.
It’s simply mean spirited eight wing behavior and has little to do with policy. ~ That’s the way you are, that’s the way you behave.
You represent roughly 28 % of the American voting public.
You are loud, and crass ~ the alpha monkeys. ~ and it monkey see and monkey do.
The Lee Atwater groupies !
If you will remember, the “bad press” the Dixie Chicks got with speaking out against 43 ~ You want thinks all your way, and if you cat get them
your pitch fits ~ and make big displays ! and you think it okay~!
But if I do ~ or the Dixie Chicks does ~ it not okay anymore.
Like I have offered you. ~ You have developed a pattern of behavior that is most predictable. If it not Right Wing GOP ~ you oppose it in the most strongest of terms.
If democrats acted in such fashion, ~
~~ I’m being rush here !
Bob Wire, boobi, don’t believe any other president is forcing me to buy health insurance or else I’ll be fined and\or imprisoned. Pretty much believed bush was up front and told us he was going to do the things he did and didn’t hide it in backrooms deals after promising the “reign of transparency”. Face it he’s a lying, narcissistic socialist and you were fooled by him but are too ashamed to say you made a mistake and believed him.
Have you guys ever heard the term “New World Order”? That is the reason why nobody in Washington is talking about Barry’s eligibility. Why do you think he had his “Apology Tour”? Why did he go to Germany? He is being primed to be the leader of the One World Government. Go ahead and call me loony,but save this comment in your computer. When it happens,make sure you reread it and then tell me how right I was.
refuse2lose, I do not think you are looney. It IS all about the NWO.
Anyone who still thinks this is tin-foil-hat fodder has not been paying attention. Leaders have been speaking of the NWO for decades, if one has been listening. Now it is right out in the open. Kissinger is quoted as stating that BO is being groomed to head up the NWO. Gordon Brown and many other European leaders have spoken openly of how they are forming the NWO. The European Union has been the precursor to the NAU, SAU, AU, etc.
BTW, thank you, Bob, for writing this article. I have no doubt that everything Obama is about is geared toward the collapse of America. It has been his lifelong purpose, by his own admission, and is apparent by those he’s held in close association.
I certainly hope we don’t give up without a fight.
lets please get all true americans togather and fight this. you are correct, Obama is only concerned with his nwo job when he is done with america. that is why he is bent on bringing us down. He will be surprized to see that americans can and will come togather just as we did in the two great wars. He is trying to divide our country by using race, religin and money but we are better than that. we must stand togater and take our country back.
Mr. Obama (I refuse to address him as President) is a gifted speaker, as were many before him. Some were great & good, some were great & bad. Think of FDR, Hitler, Dr MLK Jr, JFK, the list is long. History will decide Mr. Obama’s proper effect on America & the world. The only possible problem is that the winners always write the history books. If Liberals win (God forbid!) he will be remembered as the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Cameron, I don’t think Odumbo is at all a gifted speaker. He reads a teleprompter well, but let him have to speak off-the-cuff and he falls apart.
I have said it before: he is an empty suit. His whole life is choreographed. There is nothing real about him. When TPTB pull his strings, he dances.
Kate8,
Yes, Obama gets off the teleprompter and he speaks STUPIDLY, he reads the teleprompter and mispronounces his words. CorPsman instead of the proper pronounciation of cor-man.
We need to stand with Obama.
He is our leader.
to Jim, What does it feel like to be a lemming?
Jim,
I can hear you now, you sound mechanical just like a robot.
I can hear Obama now, “Good boy, now salute!”
OK, you are loony.
Okay,refusetolose, I second that;you are a loony.
why are you still online?
Is that why Karl Rove was a dual citizen?
Karl Rove? Yuck! Another crooked politician or whatever he calls himself. Another shyster that came out smelling like a rose.
SC I couldn’t agree more. the propper description would be IMPOSTER,
Cut and paste from within this article:
While in Indonesia Obama was enrolled in school under the name of Barry Soetoro, as proven by school records photographed by an Associated Press photographer in 2007. Those school records list Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen, born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on Aug. 4, 1961, and records his religion as Muslim.
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Why would these records list his place of birth as Honolulu, Hawaii at least as recent as 2007? Was the fix on back then? OK, so we have established where he was born! Unless you want to carbon date the ink on the document.
I guess you don’t remember Dan Rather getting canned because he swallowed-hook, line, & sinker-a “document” showing President GW Bush had gone AWOL from active duty, or had done something else (I can’t remember exactly what it was now & it doesn’t matter) was proven to be a FORGERY. There are people in our government’s agencies who can produce an “official” document stating that you never existed or that you were born on Mars, but the truth always comes out in the wash. It may take a few years & by then the damage will be done & may be too much to repair.
Why wasn’t Breitbart forced to resign over his Sherrod “forgery”? Different strokes for differnt folks.
John Wayne wasn’t the name her was really given.
So it happens a lot.
HENRY,first anyone can say they were born in hawaii and get a live birth certificate just for the asking.it was only natural that the grandparents lived in hawaii so she chose that as his birth state.second if it was true about obama attending school in indonesia,he would be an indonesian citizen then he would no longer be qualified to be president.
cut and paste;
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Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: November 1, 2008
The truth about Obama’s birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document’s authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is “fake.”
We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
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Challenge; go to this item and read about The Facts at The Facts
Even IF your claims are true he’s still the sorriest President EVER, and that includes Clinton & Carter!
And I had hoped that we would never have a worse prez then Carter, But once again I was wrong.
Ditto and I lived through the peanut man….wow!!!…what a looser but this guy we have now is JC times 10!!!!
Henry Miller,
I went to this site and saw the Birth Certificate. Just like Bob Livingston said, there is no footprint of a baby on this piece of paper, and it is a typewritten document. That is about all there is to it.
I own an old typewriter from that era, and could do the same thing if I had the right paper, and these typewriters are still around. I am sure they still have the old certification stamps they use to use to verify it too. Not hard to do if you have the money and he has the money.
Even on my older cousins Birth Certificate who is older than Obama, there is her footprint right on that certificate.
Also, it looks like something was blacked out, but it is small and I couldn’t tell what it is, and there may be nothing blacked out, because it is small and I couldn’t really tell.
I have not been a birther as I have always believed since his mother was a US Citizen, he was a citizen too, but there is such a controversy and even his own family has made other statements. Also, if he gave us his citizenship at any time, or even if it was given up for him by his parents, then we have a problem.
Please stop with the birth cert. Lets all work togeather to kick his butt in November. That will take less time then impeachment, Which he richly deserves.
Agreed! Let’s do it!
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
I see a “certificate of live birth” which is not a birth certificate. I would love to have other links to back up this claim but alas only 1 link per post without “moderation” which some of my early posts (July) are probably still waiting for. I stopped checking when the articles were old enough that no one was reading them.
My bad. That was “Certification of live birth” not Certificate. In any case I also found this info describing the differences between what Factcheck has (Certification…) and what is a birth certificate. (Certificate of live birth or “birth Certificate”) especially as it applies to Hawaii
http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/birth-certificate-vs-certification-of-live-birth/
henry,the gov. of hawaii alledgely sealed up his birth certificate where no one could see or examine it.the gentleman that was the head of birth certificates and records in hawaii,on the record, said they have no birth certificate for obama nor do they have proof he was born there!
Ummmm… How was FactCheck.org able to touch, feel, taste it when it was sealed by the Governer of Hawaii??? Another contradiction in the liberal socialist agenda. Whoops, did you make a boo-boo???
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (:>
Obama is just a symptom of the Virus that infects the body of Humanity. Even if we cure his equation from the problem, the problem will continue to exist. Some where along the line (the ROOT of the story) a coup occured while America was sleeping. This intruding group has been proven to exist. They have their own Agenda in which they pursue at all of our expense.
The government no longer serves the people as congress and the courts prove as they continue to illegally bar investigation in important matters that affect us all. Such as the 9/11 Architects & Engineer’s petition showing that the overwhelming, factual evidence of the WTC proves it was a controlled demolition. That Allowing Obama to seal his personal documents and preventing the people whom he’s suppose to serve from knowing his true past is in direct violation of our Rights. His book on his life has been proven to be a lie. It’s time to wake up and take action instead of allowing these people to further entrench themselves against us.
I, along with so many other people of this world, have been watching the recent unfolding events with great interest. We have woken up and begun to fully enlighten those of Us who still are unaware. The people of this earth thank the investigative reporters, historians, patriots that have paid the ultimate price and researchers such as Daniel Estulin, Jim Tucker, John Todd, Capt. William Morgan, Luke Rudkowski, and Alex Jones who are willing to shine the light of truth upon the injustice that has been allowed to go on for far to long.
As all the back history, the connect the dots if you will, begins to reveal the Bilderbergs, Trilateral Commission and their connecting organizations for what they truely are & what they have done to Humanity…we will rise up in one voice, the people of this world will declare the end of them & then put in safe measures to prevent such crimes against humanity from ever happening again.
Crimes against Humanity. Crimes against Humanity.
Crimes against Humanity.
We are rising up. The world is awakening to the Truth. The Bilderbergs, CFR, deep level Masons (Illuminati) and the Trilateral Commission have committed a huge list of crimes against Us. They and those who willingly affilliated themselves with them, will be held accountable for what they have done. Time to get real again my brothers and sisters.
It’s irrefutable evidence. By revearse engineering various problems in the world and who is involved with creating them, often these key players will be found to have attended an earlier Bilderberg meeting. The math is adding up and after 56 meetings we are getting it. Finally.
A unique opportunity exists for polititions and the media right now. Who will measure?
BrotherPatriot
God help us if you start a revolt & WIN! You would be a worse tyrant than Hussein, the dictator of Iraq & not the one in the WH
Very Clear Post from one end to the other BroP. When I hear the talking hairdo’s on FOX and MSNBC start mentioning the Engineers for 9-11 truth or demanding an end to the FED,only then will I believe they are not a mouthpiece for the New World Order, HAnnity,Savaga, Maddow, Oberman (with is outrage)never come close to discussing it other than to put down the idea that 9-11 was a controlled demolition.
Cameron… who are you commenting on BRother Patriots post? IF so I don’t get it.
Paz
Duende
Cameron, I must concur with Duende , I don’t understand the comment.
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
I believe we have reached this point in our brief history once again. It is time for a change in the direction of this nation’s direction once again. If we cannot achieve that goal at the ballot box, then the only recourse we will have is through the ammo box. As a great patriot once said:
‘I regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.’ — Nathan Hale, final words before hanged by the British, September 22, 1776
The level of stupidity here is simply flabbergasting! Satanists from Altair 4 are in the process of taking over Earth, just like they did on Altair 3 and Rigel 4. I know because I was there! While the posters here whine, pontificate, and discuss dogmas as if they were facts, these alien Satanists, through their willing but oblivious agents, are putting their diabolical schemes into place. Their agents are lobbyists, Senators, Representatives, trans-national conglomerates, and media pundits. While our planet is being invaded to put us under control of aliens, you posters are arguing over birth records, which misrepresentation of a charade is “true,” and whether Wilson, FDR, Carter, Clinton, Bush 43, or Obama is at fault. This planet is being conquered while you nitwits argue over planted diversions. If human society is this unaware, greedy, selfish, uncharitable, and primitive, then maybe humans deserve this fate. 21st century human civilization seems bent on using up as much of the Earth as quickly as possible, with NO thought about future generations. Poster on; you are the best puppets imaginable!
From the article:
Obama/Soetoro could easily clear up the confusion by releasing his birth records, his school records, college records and other official documents. Instead, he is spending millions of dollars to fight all attempts to obtain documents that most public officials release by habit. That begs the question: What is he hiding?
The above seems to be a pretty reasonable request. What IS he hiding? I mean, this is simple stuff folks. I personally do not know if he IS or if he isn’t but it is something that could be easily answered once all the barriers are removed.
Best chance to get the correct answer will come in 2011, if we have a significant power change in Washington. Now that could be real “Hope and Change” in the making!
VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is not even a matter of his eligibilty of citezenship, this goes to show how our United States Constitution is not upheld, and whenever the so called Constitutionalists think any Supreme Court is upholding the Constitution, it is a ruse, so we will think our organic form of de jure government is still in tact, which it is blatantly in your face not, by his questionability of his citizenship status to hold office. Noone in any of the three branches of this de facto government have not held him to prove his citizenship, without a doubt, that he is a valid citizen of the United States. Even if he is valid, it still goes against our organic Constitutional de jure form of governments from our founding fathers. What we have is a de facto government in place and has been just prior to 1868, under Lincoln. Lincoln installed a new puppet government in Congress. He issued the first Executive Order, which is unconstitutional in of itself, because it bypasses the Congress’s approval of any issue/matter.. Obama, and all the others before him have not been our true Constitutional de jure president. There is a solution in correcting our ails under this de facto regime, and it is in correcting our nationalities. You can go here to learn more
http://www.notmygovernment.us/home/
http://www.redamendment.net/home/
Check it out, reclaim our original de jure form of governments.
Once again; a cut and paste from within the above article:
While in Indonesia Obama was enrolled in school under the name of Barry Soetoro, as proven by school records photographed by an Associated Press photographer in 2007. Those school records list Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen, born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on Aug. 4, 1961, and records his religion as Muslim.
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Is only part of this paragraph true? Has the AP photographer doctored some or all of his school records photo? Does it not say he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on Aug 4, 1961?
Come on now, one step at a time. Am I making this up?
BTW; the World’s most liberal documents are our Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights. The entire World considers us to be the most liberal country on the Planet. Of course we’ve had very conservative places within, such as the old South.
I am not sure I understand what you are trying to point out with your continued posting of that part of the article. Let us assume for the moment that (without corroborating evidence) that the paragraph is exactly true as stated.
Obama is not eligible to be President of the United States. He is an Indonesian citizen raised in a foreign culture.
As you said “is only part of this paragraph true?”
Anyway we know for sure…by his own admission…he was born in Kenya, and it’s possible he may not even be a citizen of the US
BUT…far worse that Obama is coming down the pike!! Pleas look at this and spread the word…there may not be anything we can do about it, but we can be prepared anyway!!!
Making decisions on who lives and who dies, who goes to FEMA Camps etc NOT Healthcare!!…Need to see this!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlDm8cg9VyY&feature=player_embedded
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I have just found this site and have spent some time reading all these comments from a wide range of viewpoints. I am sad to see this country in the shape it is in today, but it really has nothing to do with who is President because ALL Presidents are controlled by the International Banking Community that operates out of Belgium and was started by the Bilderburgers and the other German/English bank that will not come to mind at the moment! There has not, and will not, be a leader of any country who will not be controlled by the International Bankers! I do not like or trust Obama and will vote against him, but I did like Reagan and Kennedy and was really sad when I found out that they too were controlled, and it just may be that when they tried to do something that was not in the best interests of the International Bankers, that was when the plug was pulled? Who knows? The Shadow knows!!! In this case the Shadow is the banking community!!! I am saddened by all the pettiness in this format when we should all be pulling together to get us back to being the America we all love! God bless America!!!
Reading this column and assessing the reports I hear through other media about what American’s believe almost makes me a conservative. Not a current type but H L Mencken comes to mind and his definition of democracy as (boobocracy). More than sad it is tragic that mass education has so failed to spread a little enlightenment among much of the mass population who still seem to operate on predjudice, ignorance, populist manipulation, religious bigotry and very little rational assessment and willingness to search out facts and make reasonable evalutions based upon evidence. These columns seem to fuction as a sort of primitive psychodrama where the participants can vent their frustrations and irrational hostility. Perhaps in this function they may helpt to relieve psychological distress but there is little contrctive dialogue. I try to ignore posted opinions of this type but every now and then I feel the need to keep in touch with what persons of other general viewpoints than my own may think about current issues. I am invariably appalled.
Well said. I agree.
What more proof do we need than Obama stating he is Kenyan? View site below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded
U-tube?
99% of what is on U-tube is junk produced in someones basement or living room.
Anyone who uses u-tube to try to convince people of something has in my eyes lost any and all credibility forever. You guys are all against wiki and then promote u-tube? that is Hilarious. Cooks and idiots are using U-tube because they do not have a legal and authoritative means for they’re junk. And you sheep believe it? Incredible…..
the right of free speech really bothers you don’t it???????
Wow! What a long bow the conspiracy theorists draw! Next you’ll be telling us there was no man on the moon, because that was during a Democrat Presidency! (Actually, it was all done on a Hollywood backlot…I know, I saw the movie!)
I think everyone should have a good stiff drink and a valium, and think some calm thoughts for a change. Oh look, another blood vessel bursting on your temple…and another…and….
He is the biggest “divider” to ever sit in the oval office. The division he has caused has hampered our every efforts in all we do or attempt, and he has caused racial things to rise up, instead of being a uniter, he has become the great divider. Shame on him and his administration for all their lies and pointing fingers, instead of being men, and owning up to their inadequacies.
Yeah, at the very most, he might serve as a manager of a Burger King I guess. He definitely applied for a job that is way over his head and it has become so obvious. To invest millions in making sure his birth and education records are not publicized, goes to show he’s not qualified for. Unfortunately his brainwashed followers couldn’t see that this should have raised a red flag immediately. In addition to his arrogance, comes his swagger that has to go. Seriously, you have to have the physique to even think of trying to pull that off. Start by getting off the basketball court or golf course and hit the free weights. Oh, his wife needs to at least a DD cup breast augmentation to compensate for the large load of junk in her trunk.
The gullibility, blindness, obtuseness, inability to think, and, yes, stupidity of these comment posters is not just astounding, it is eyeopening! This is exactly how Hitler came to power: a downtrodden citizenry, plundered by the ruling Oligarchs, swallowed the Nazi’s contrived simplistic propaganda hook, line, and sinker. The certainty of these Birthers that they are correct is PROOF that this mentality still exists. The U.S. will not survive if these morons continue to replace American citizens.
Well, well! All those left-wingers and other radicals out there should most certainly enjoy this bit of information…. providing they can actually listen to what their eyes absorb and are trying to tell them: http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=2929 It is my pleasure to give such good news to all those who are on the other side of the ticket who have been abused by these rascals who promenade about in their queenie garb and march in protest against those of us who espouse Christ as our Lord and Savior. If they aren’t gay, then they must be just run-of-the mill unlearned folk who do not follow the precept of what is learned by reading “contempt prior to investigation”, preferring instead to just go along with the mob mentality that Obama’s culture creatures (creators of propaganda) dish out to them. Sorry Libs – you will lose all your oxymoronic arguments for your case that he is the real deal – he is NOT any deal at all, as you will soon learn.
Sorry folks, but Obama was born in the realm of my arch enemy Satin/Soros.
Well, well, well. If this won’t bring out all of the closet Obaminites nothing will. There seems to be a big push in the Lakin camp for the proof as it should be the only legal criteria for a guilty verdict for disobeying the CIC.
He says, “I am not guilty of these charges, and will plead ‘not guilty’ to them because of my conviction that our commander in chief may be ineligible under the United States Constitution to serve in that highest of all offices,” Lakin said in a news release issued this week by the American Patriot Foundation — a group that has established a fund for his legal defense.
“The truth matters. The Constitution matters,” he said. “If President Obama is a natural-born citizen, then the American people deserve to see proof, and if he is not, then I believe the orders in this case were illegal.”
The question of eligibility for POTUS could easily be put to rest with the release of a real BC by the Obama camp. But then again, this is a great diversion for the globalists that pull his strings.
The pressure needs to stay on this Marxist puppet and his bosses.
The name is Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin who refused orders to deploy to Afghanistan for those unaware.
If Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin does not have standing to question the eligibility of the Pres, no-one does.
The stockade for 20 years hard labor. Period.
IT FIGURES YOU ARE AN OBAMINETE FOLLOWER, AND YOUR ANSWER IS A TYPICAL ONE……COMMUNIST GET THE HELL OUT OF AMERICA !!!!! ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT GOT US IN TODAYS PERDICAMENT !!!!
20 yrs in the stockade for Obama would be appropriate!
20 years,he would like that,him and his gay friends…..reid,polosi,and down the line….
I agree! I’d like to see HFlashman in the stockade for 20 years.
Why? What crime has HFlashman committed? At least with Obama we have evidence of fraud. (See Social Security issue, Birth issue for starters)
You Mr. Flashman are a pitiful American. This is an American Soldier who has given a big part of his life to protect YOUR freedom…you sir are disgusting!!!!
LMAO,
He has not given anything, He sold his body and soul to the pentagon for a PAYCHECK. Thus all he is doing is his job. And lately he is doing a piss poor job and will end up in the slammer where people that break contracts belong. Period. I wish you right sheep would get of your honor and serve and whatever melodramatic B.S. and see reality. Our military does NOT serve, they do a JOB they signed up for in order to receive a pay check….nobody forced them to sell they’re body and soul to the military and become mercenaries. To say they serve is dishonoring the thousands that where drafted and served this country and the thousands draftees that gave they’re life for this country even though they could have gone the easy way and left the country like so many cowards did….those are the men and woman that served and sacrificed them self….not the modern mercenaries that do nothing but a JOB and a piss poor one to boot.
Todays military scares me..I believe it would turn on it’s own people without question.They are attempting to remove God and religion from it in order to remove moral conflictions amonst the ranks.they’re more a global force than a sovreign force now.The gays want to remove all moral and ethical influence and seeks to further undermine it by attacking it’s discipline standard. I would never encourage or allow my children to enter the military..I have lost faith in it as a protector of this nations citizens or sovreignty.It has been sold out to foreign sources(the UN).I hope we’ll witness some brave military personell stand up and speak out against what is happening to it and the abuse of govt. I do admire those who fight and believe they are serving the nation and I’m thankful..it’s the big picture that worries more.
That would be good for you and Obama.
HFlashman… What would be an appropriate punishment for Barry when he found out?
No Flashman; I’d only give you 5 yrs. at min. labor for your studidity. Hard labor might kill you.
HFlashman says:
Weren’t you in that Mel Brooks movie “Blazing Idiots”?….didn’t you play the part of Libby Von Schtoop?……get a brain…and then a life.
Please stop by a service station ASAP…your head is losing air……
……WARNING!!! Brain dead progressive! Do not respond! You could be putting your common sense and your love for GOD and COUNTRY at RISK!
It’s painfully aware that you’ve never worked for a boss who got his job not because he was qualified but because he lied his way into it. All this BS could be put to rest, in fact it should have never been allowed to start if Mr Obama would have listened to the American people instead of whomever he does listen, if the required documents, backed up by testimony from hundreds of people, could be found.
Exactly what precedent are you applying when you make this statement?
We have a duty, not just a right to question all and anything regarding our elected representatives and their actions.
Mike from Austin:
Yes we do, we all have the right to question him, wether he likes it or you like it, and the answer will come in November sir.
mike. put down the KOOLAID,
But prove that our commander in chief actually has the legitimacy to hold his title! That is what this country deserves…not stonewalling and arrogance. I certainly am held to the laws of this country and so are you…why is this man not?
JeffH and Mike, If our Republic still stood, any American citizen would have standing to question Obama’s legitimacy. The fact that everyone is consistently ruled as not having “standing” shows that those is power no longer honor a government of, by and for the People, and consider us to have no voice at all.
Doesn’t anyone get it? We have been conquered. Overthrown. We are just being left to languish in our fantasies of ‘freedom’ for awhile until they decide to lower the axe.
Everything has been systematically set up for the final blow. FEMA camps are staffed and waiting. The monetary and housing collapse has been engineered so that people will lose everything, and the gov’t, which now owns the banks and mortgage industry, can take it all. People will not be allowed to own property.
This is the near future if we continue to follow this course. We must no allow this to happen. FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION.
Kate8 -
Your words ring true. I see it, too.
kate8, I hear you loud and clear.
Keep some powder dry!
That is a very good point. The lawyers in the cases over the eligibility issue, when confronted with the accusation of not having standing should go back to the declaration of independence.
“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,….”
We The People have standing as it is only with our consent that some of us are allowed to govern.
Kate8… As usuall, well put! Most of us who did not understand this, do now! However, in the end, FREEDOM always WINS out and there will no place on earth for these theives to hide.
Lubo, Sadly, freedom does not always win. There has never been much freedom in the world, and it is difficult to keep.
Someone has said that once we lose freedom, we can never get it back. This is why we were warned to be vigilant, and to participate in the process.
We became obsessed with things that money could buy, and fell into apathy. It was a death-trap.
Kate8…I disagree, to say that FREEDOM does not always win out would imply that our rights were not given to us by our CREATOR. Now,you may have generations of people that never see freedom but in the end, when people look to GOD and not to the things of this earth, then Freedom will be restored. Unfortunately it sometimes takes about 400 years, if you get my drift.
I think “We the People” have had such of an awakening, since the advent of Obummer, that it will result in the most positive change back towards FREEDOM in the past century. True FREEDOM loving Americans always come back from the brink…always.
Lubo, If you are talking ultimately then, yes, God will prevail.
Freedom has been a rare thing on this Earth, however. We have been an anomaly. I do not say we WON’T get it back. I’m just saying that, historically, that is not the case during this current cycle of civilization.
God willing, we can restore our nation. It is better, I suppose, to keep that thought.
I have never seen the long form of my birth certificate or my husband’s. I have four children and for each one I signed off on the long firm and never saw it again. All six of us got passports using the short form. That is the one you get when you request a copy in Indiana and Illinois where we were born. This long firm stuff is nonsense as it’s not required for any thing. The shorter form is proof for every other citizen of this country. For those who don’t know social security numbers at birth was not required or even supported until the 1980′s. I know this because it was not automatic with my first born but was with the others. I was born in Indiana, my SSN is from Massachusetts. One of my brothers was born in NY, his SSN is from Massachusetts. My other brother was born in Massachusetts and his SSN is from Ohio. Both of my parents are black but when my youngest brother was born he looked white and had blue eyes. I was told I was briefly mistaken for the baby of a Filipino woman who gave birth at the sane time as my mother. Both my brother and I have coloring as adults that is similar to Obama’s. It is possible that when he was first born no one noticed a white woman with a black baby because he wouldn’t have stood out as a black baby. It us very common for lighter skinned blacks to be somewhat fair skinned as young infants.
I had to get the state issued birth certificate from Colorado, to renew my Missouri D.L. The one with my footprints and the hospital seal was not enough. I think every state should require both of these to vote etc…
Conservative at Birth,alabama,s dmv would not accept the short form birth certificate i had for my son that was born in illinois on dec 24 1982 had to have my daugther that still lives in illinois go to the county seat where he was born and get a copy ot the offical birth certificate the one i had had my name mothers name baby name state and county and dr name but no foot or hand prints
Before long every person in America will be required to carry, at all times, citizenship papers proving legal residency. This will be partly a result of the millions of illegal aliens here now, and partly because of the current flap over Mr Obama’s legitimacy. He was born 6 months after his mammy married so he damned near WAS illegitimate! Just a little humor there folks. Grin & bear it.
Each state may have had different requirements. My three children were born in 1968, 1969 and 1971 in New York. Issuance of a SS# at birth was mandated sometime prior to my last child born in 1971. SS#’s for all three were applied for and issued at that time.
President Obama holds the most prestiged title in this country. He should be held to a higher level and thus proving his legitimacy to his title, he should provide it as the legal requirement that it is. Holding back and fighting it’s release does nothing but help to pander to this question. What does he have to hide? If nothing, then stop the stonewalling.
Cher,
I have copies od both ..in my possession. I don’t like to use my long form(because it is very old and very frigile). I went to get a new copy of it and was told that my state is no longer in possession of the document because several years ago the Federal Government took all long form BC’s (Micro filmed archives) and placed them in the National Bureau of Vital Statistics. Just because you can’t get yours, just shows that you didn’t ask the right questions to the right people. I did manage to get a new copy of my longform from the Feds…it wasn’t easy…but I did get it.
Cher, just because you never saw your long-form again does not mean it does not exist somewhere.
Have you ever run for public office? Let alone POTUS.
There are certain areas where this form MUST be produced, on the grounds of National Security.
If you live in IN or IL, when you request a copy of your BC, if you specify that you want a copy of the original, then that is what you will get- a copy of the ORIGINAL. If you do not specifically ask, you will get the form that you received.
I have never needed the long firm for anything. I have had drivers licenses in Ohio, Indiana,Minnesota, and New York and I have a passport. The point is it is nit required everywhere. Also, whoever said SSN’s at birth were required in the 70′s is wrong. At least it wasn’t a federal requirement. It was nit required for my son born in 1981 but it was for my son’s born in 1983 and 1985 . All were born in Illinois. If long form birth certificates are going to be required to run for office then it needs to be required for all candidates. Not just the ones you don’t like.
Listen, it was a requirement that was not met. There were Congressional hearings that examined every document McCain had regarding his birth, and he produced them….PROUDLY!! Do you know why? Because he had NOTHING to hide and knew beyond any doubt that despite the fact that he was not actually born in the United States, but was born in Panama, that he was eligible. It is a simple question- where the F*** is your birth certificate Barry? And the left keeps trying to shove some newly created document, THAT IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT AN ORIGINAL, in our faces and saying “see, here it is!”…and again, we ask…Where’d your REAL birth certificate Barry? And again come the left with a, and this is priceless, newspaper congrats message! Hell, that’s all I need to prove that I was born in the USA? A flip’n ad in the paper? Best not let the Mexicans in on that one!! They’ll be posting ads in every paper they can think of!! And again, a simple question is asked…. (notice that IF he actually has a BC, it shouldn’t contradict anything he’s already put out there!..so why not just show it to us and move on?) I find it hard to believe that “so called” intelligent people can’t put 2 and 2 together- if he actually had a BC, he would have slammed it in our faces by now- he’s that cocky, that arrogant.
By not responding, he makes himself look real guilty. A birth certificate is no real big deal, so you would think he would produce one, if he has nothing to hide.
from day 1,we have to prove we have one, but not him,, heck even the passport he used in 81 seem’s to have been sealed.. something really really wrong,that we can’t find this stuff out.. send the judges to jail with him
he gave all the proof he needed to before he was elected the rest is propaganda. Just because he didn’t personally show YOU
Maybe it is hidden (as you say) in plain site, there is nothing to hide,
Mr Obama has raised enough questions among “inquiring minds that want to know” to make re-election VERY difficult in an HONEST election. MS has a Democrat Party “Leader” who has been convicted in court of violating the Voting Rights Act of ’64 (against WHITES no less!) so it’s very easy to believe that the DNC can “fix” a national election, especially if “their” justices will be ruling on the validity of the contest. It’s getting awfully close to Dec 20, 2012!
Hmm? Well if the DNC can “fix” elections, ~ they not very good at it!
If you consider the results and view the record. In the last 31 years they controlled the WH 13 years. ~
slickporsche, it is a big deal if it an,t so
Deceptive is the only word to describe this article. “A CNN Poll…showed that six out of 10 people are uncertain the President was even born in the U.S….” The key word here is “uncertain”. But just how uncertain? Well, the results below show that 42% of those polled were certain the President is American and 29% were fairly certain. That’s 71% who are pretty darn sure the president was born in America. “… includes about one-third of all Democrats.” Well, once again, not really. The numbers below show the results for “All Americans”, “Dems”, “Indys” and “Reps”
Definitely born in U.S. 42% 64% 37% 23%
Probably born in the U.S. 29% 21% 31% 34%
Probably born in another country 16% 7% 17% 27%
Definitely born in another country 11% 8% 12% 14%
No opinion 2% 1% 2% 3%
Note that 85% of Democrats are fairly certain. Even 68% of Independents and 57% of Republicans have little doubt. Given the non stop media from the likes of Orly Taitz, “Atlas Shrugs” and WND, it’s no wonder that people are reluctant to give Obama 100%.
Now I won’t argue that it would make life much easier if the President would release all this information, but legally there is no reason why he should. We’ve all seen the short form from Hawaii and while this article says “..don’t even bring up the certificate of live birth..”, it passes the legal requirements for proof, so don’t expect much more.
So now what do we do? Maybe we can go looking for some other polls to misrepresent? Hey, I found a poll that says 73% of those polled believe Big foot is real! 44% believe in the Loch Ness monster, and 56% think UFOs have landed here. 73%!, sounds like the Government needs to follow up on this. How about WND? I’m sure they could dig up some real hard core evidence.
You still don’t answer the question why he refuses to produce all the documents and spends so much time and money keeping them “sealed”. There is just no good reason. Maybe he doesn’t HAVE to produce them, but why wouldn’t he, in an effort to put this to rest so the country can move on at least on the eligibility issue? What kind of a president wants to cause division? There are just too many questions about him, and when people strive to keep things hidden there is a reason. Don’t you want to know what that reason is?
He HAS to prove it. McCain had to and did so without any question.
He has provided the proof required, that you wish to not accept it is making it your problem and not his.
So you must somehow make it his. So far you have not been very effective other then using it as one of many, “talking points” I support your “displeasure”.
yes i agree with you u 1000 percent,yhis would clairafie as to if his orders that were given are leagal to folow or not, if he is leagal then so be it, but if not then there is alot of things that would come to light,the main two things that would hurt is this,1;haveing him go to prision for the rest of his life no parole,and haveing hurt the USA the way he had done by breaking one of our most preashies laws of being born in the usa to hold his office,2;all of our people killed for following his orders, to me this would be mass murder on a big scale.
I want to see all the records Obama desparately keeps sealed at a great expense to do so . It is blatantly obvious to anyone that is willing to think about it , that he is hiding something that he doesn’t want seen.
Andy, you would experience the same stone wall if you were to look into Reagan’s personal background, as prolific and popular a pubic figure that he was. It’s a standard practice for modern presidents to seal certain information. It is the nature of “man” that requires this and the position being held. ~
Example; Google global mapping won’t show us Dlck Chaney’s house. The reason are valid reasons.
That you wish to not understand or accept, is only your problem and something you must deal with in your own way.
They are certain because like most sheeple, they do not have the ability to question anything presented to them, and God knows that the media wouldn’t lie about such a thing, NOW WOULD THEY?
Don,i don,t think the media would tell a out right lie but i do think they would tell it 40 differant ways so as to make it look like it was true like flashman and if ever thing fails blame BUSH
Marvin;It’s not about blaming Bush it goes back to searching for the truth. Whether it is about Clinton,Reagan,Carter or whoever. You’re one of those who blame Obama for things he didn’t create and love poking him in the eye. Bush is more a part of history now (it’s a done deal).He can’t run or hide from his legacy and we all should be learning from that. Obama’s Presidency is a work in progress and still up for interpretation. Everyone here screams that he is a failure when nothing of the sort has even happened. He may end up being 10 times worse than Bush but time will tell.
fast eddie says: “He may end up being 10 times worse than Bush but time will tell.”
Well I see the globalist Obama screwing things up right now, but fast eddie is willing to wait until the pie is made, served and eaten up before he’ll pass judgement.
I am tired of eating lousy pies, so I’ll keep a sharp eye on the
piemaker.
edie47, Just so you know, Mr Bush gave up his legacy to fight a war that has keep your sorry butt alive. Me having to tell you that just renforces the truth that when you wake up in the morning you have not a clue where you are or what is really happening.
Flip One Over,
You must be kidding. Bush gave up his legacy to protect us? The man wanted nothing more than to play the role of Commander in Chief. He even bragged “I’m a war president. I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign-policy matters with war on my mind.” He saw the war a a tool to turn his presidency around when it looked like his legacy might involve little more than rising unemployment and record vacation time. Not to mention the fact that several experts in military and security have said that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have made things LESS safe.
T Eddie47d…..I lived through the peanut man, and trust me, Obama is JC times 10!!! I think you are in a deep stage of denial, aren’t you?
I mean who in their right mind would vote for a candidate with the following facts revealed prior to the election:
1.) Obama thinks there are 57 states.
2.) Prior to becomming a “Junior” Senator he was a community organizer…..ACORN?!?!?!?! SEIU????? You kidding me?
3.) He went to Rev. Wright’s church which is based upon Black Liberation Theology. Rev. Wright is on tape stating from the pulpit that GOD-!&^% America and continually slanders white people.
4.) He has documented connections to Bill Aires and several other known communist and/or progessive-marxist THUGS.
5.) He says he was born in Hawaii but cannot or will not provide WE CITIZENS we proof.
6.) He stated prior to being elected to Joe the Plumber, that he felt we should “Spread the Wealth Around”. Isn’t that marxism?
7.) He stated that AMERICA was the richest country in the world but we have 13 trillion in debt with a 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities.
8.) Obama stated prior to the election that he thinks our constitution is mostly about “Negative Liberties”.
9.) Obama stated “Hope and Change” but never defined just what that meant.
10.) Obama stated that he would “Fundamentally Tranforms America”……. to what? He never stated what that meant?
Should I continue with the FACTS???
Better VET your candidate a little closer next time Buddy! DUH???
>>”The man wanted nothing more than to play the role of Commander in Chief.”<< speaking of W
Truer words never spoken, ~ I just wish he'd been better prepared and afforded better counseled. The Hawks took over and prudence was thrown to the wind. The decision to lax the military grip in the foot hills of Bora Bora will be one I will never understand. I'm still wait for a good explanation. In not being offered one, ~ I start question the whole debacle. An opportunity for conclusion was passed by. This is not the mark of focus of a Commander & Chief.
I don’t believe these numbers, as they do not reflect the sentiment of dozens or hundreds of people, I have talked to that think he is not a legal citizen. He should be tired of all the talk, and just once and for all, produce the damn birth certificate, and what ever else is needed to prove his US citizen ship. I too believe he is hiding the fact that he is not elibible for the Presidency of the USA. Then if you follow his agenda and the things he is ramming down our thoats he again looks very non-American. He is a Fraud!
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Nice Bullvine Scatology. This would be so simple just to release the documents, unless?, you have something to hide. Anyone can go get a long form birth record after the fact to hide where they are born. Kinetic1 brings up this poll by CNN, WHO WATCHES CNN ANYMORE? The only ones I know is the progressives, and again most democrats have a problem with the truth. They are the ones that got us in this mess in the first place, not president Bush. They pasted the dropping the requirements so any one could by a house. That caused the fianical problem that lanuched us into this resession. They were in charge of the house and senate. If we are going to be critical at least we should be truthful,and that is not what’s happening here. Obama SHOW US YOUR “LEGAL LIVE BIRTH CERTIFICATE” and the “birthers” will shut up!!
Fighter Pilot,
Do you read the articles or just the headlines? You write “Kinetic1 brings up this poll by CNN” as if I went looking for proof of something, when in fact it is the basis of the article! And once again, the short form certificate produced by the state of Hawaii and the White House is considered legal proof by most everyone, all the way up to and including the Supreme Court. As for the “millions spent hiding” his record, the only proof of this is that the Federal Government defended a suit against the state to prove Obama is not eligible. This is nothing new. The Government defended Cheaney in a suit to release the names of those in his Energy Task Force meetings. They also defended Bush in suits regarding the release of his military records. It’s what the Government does.
The point of this article was simply to raise some more dust over an issue that most Americans don’t concern themselves over. The fact that it has whipped this site into a frenzy once again shows how far to the fringe you and folks like you are.
Kinetic , you have obviously drank the Kool-aid Obama has served, if you were to look at all the facts on record ,and you look at all he has done since his arrival on the scene , It is very clear , that this man does not think , act , or observe American Traditions in the way other Americans do . And his actions tell a very clear story to anyone willing to try to understand why hes done what he has up to this point , that he is not a Traditional American , and his values are not what anyone that I know and talk to on a daily basis,” WANT TO SEE FROM OUR PRESIDENT “. November is coming , and I hope we can get rid of some of his cohorts that are assisting him in this course he has us on………
Kinetic has just proven himself with you Andy. You are whipped into a frenzy!
>>”if you were to look at all the facts on record ,and you look at all he has done since his arrival on the scene , It is very clear , that this man does not think , act , or observe American Traditions in the way other Americans do .”<<
If it was "so clear" as you say, please share with us these "facts"!!!!
I'd think that would be a simple things to do, rather then "suggest them"
Speak these "facts"
It soon will be two (2yrs) since President Obama kicked McCain’s Butt in the Presidential Election, it is time for people to get over the “birthers” and how anyone can put a brith announcement in a newspaper. The hospital sends these to the paper. I saw a Hawaii Birth Certificate and that was good enough for me. Like the Viet Namn (era) vet, which meant he was in the service at that time, but was not serving his country in Viet Namn. The pictures that are suppose to look like President Obama, as as different as day and night. The Vet said he couldn’t post the article here because it was too long. I would like to see it and will pay COD on it to get it. Have him to contact me and I will send an address. Now there are no college papers.You people better wake up before election time and look at what the (tea parties) are saying they will do. Do away with medicare, turn Social Security over to a private company with a CEO and Staff that will take up to $50,000,000.00 to run Social Security, some even say they will do away with it. Renew the Bush Tax Cuts for people like Mr Buffed, a 5 times billionaire, all the Wall Street CEO’s, All the Large Companies CEO’s and their staff. Where President Obama wants to keep the taxes on them and give tax breaks to any family or small business making $250,000.00 or less and I would bet over 95% of the people posting here makes less than $250,000.00, so just about every one on here would be getting a tax cut, you know more money in your pocket, not the US Government. If this doesn’t make seense to all of you something is wrong. Listen to Beck and Limbaugh and see if you don’t have to pay more taxes!! Who fault is that. YOURS!! I served two (2) tours in country in Viet Namn. Not jut in the service, but in the service and Viet Namn. Was awarded two (2) Meritious Service Medals and one (1) Bronze Star with a V Device for Valor for my actions to help fight a war we should never been in, just like Iraq!! You people should take your anger in another direction rather than at our President, who is doing all he can, with the entire Republican Party voting no on everything that come up. Social Security, Medicade, Medicare, Money for Public Schools (all of us aren’t rich enough to send our kids to a private school), it is OK to be angry, but be angry at the people who wants to take away all of your benefits you worked all your life for. How will an eighty year old couple live without Social Security, Medicade, etc. List to what Rand Paul (KY) Sharon Engle (NV) Joe Miller (AK) and the others are saying. They are the one’s you should put your anger to!! They have said numerous times, by cutting these programs they can get this country out of debt, but what good is that when the older people have no money to live on? I am 67 years old, in a wheelchair, as I lost both legs in Viet Namn. I need Social Security and Medicare to live. It has been tough since 1971 in a wheelchair, and I am not going to vote for someone who wants to take my only source of income away from me and someone find me sitting in a corner in my wheelchair straved or frozen to death, because the (tea partiers) decided to elect someone who cut my only source of living off. JUST THINK about who you are voting for and what they have promised to do if they get elected and it seems like everyone on here plans to vote for them!!
As we say in IT Audit circle’s, “Number’s lie, liar’s do numbers” You can make any amount of statistics say anything you want on either side of the fence.
Patricia, statistics are like a bikini; what they reveal is fascinating, but it’s what they hide that’s important! Smile!
good, I vote Bigfoot as president, he’d be more trustworthy, do a better job, and I know I’d feel safer!
Are you one of the 73% that believes in bigfoot? yikes!
Eddie47d,
Sunrise believes in big mouth.Ha ha ha
You two definately think alike. Yikes, that’s a scary thought!
Just because YOU want to believe it doesn’t make it so. There are LEGITIMATE questions regarding his citizenship and maybe as explained in the article that began this discussion, you too can understand why it has become such a hot topic. I am tired of being the person who has to prove who I am at each turn in my life. The legitimacy of this President is at question and an honest person would want to legitimize himself. Honestly is lacking.
Regardless of what the polls say (ask the questions in a slightly different way & get a whole ‘nother answer) this President is the sorriest SOB who ever sat in the Oval Office. & that’s a fact, Jack, like it or not.
I’m 62,retired electrician,wasp,great great grandson of gen robert e lee . WHY THE HELL ISN’T SOMEONE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPEN TO OUR COUNTRY ! ” I HAVE NO MOUTH AND I MUST SCREAM ” That”s the way I felt until I got this laptop a week ago , now I’m a ” MONKEY WITH A GUN ” . And as soon as I figure out how to work this gull darn machine , I will draw blood ! Thank you for all you do,gaj I wonder what this button doe………………………………..
Hmm? Nice to know you! So what was General Lee’s horse *name?
I am 62 year old Electrician/plumber/HVAC contractor, grand nephew of Jefferson Davis and still working and will until my body fails me. ~ No retirement, no surrender.
I’ve drew enough blood in my days and incensed by loose and idle talk of such matters.
*Traveler
Only this President can put a stop to all of this by releasing his papers. If he has nothing to hide why all this secretive behavior? He can end all this speculation so why doesn’t he?
Connie, There is only ONE answer to your question. It is a very simple one. Barack Hussien Obama, Michelle Obama, and the two girls are not real people, the are PLANTS, they are not a real family, put here by the Communist Party, to destroy the United States as it has been for the past 234 years. I have records of my life to prove who I am, you have records of your life to prove who you are. Because we are real people, these things exist. The Soetoro’s must think they are members of some witness protection program for the Communist, Muslim world. LOL LOL LOL.
Robert,
I am working on my family tree. I have searched and searched, and there are no records of my mother’s birth. Wedding, yes, census, yes, but no birth record. I know the date and location, but the records seem to be lost. So, is my mother an illegal?
As to Obama’s birth certificate, My wife and I planed a trip overseas and we seem to have lost my birth certificate. I remember seeing it, foot print and all, but it’s gone. So what do I get when I ask the registrar of my birth county for a copy? A new form with a negative copy of my original certificate of live birth. Not a new form filled out by a computer, but a photocopy of the original on a new certificate! I received a certificate of live birth for both my kids as well. There legal forms. The are accepted as proof of citizenship at the federal level. It’s all I need to prove my legal rights as an American! Unless, of course Orly Taitz decides to stir things up.
Has anyone ever questioned Ms. Taitz’s motives? She is, after all a Soviet foreign national who emigrated to Israel before coming to America. Consider that she was an adult when she moved from the Soviet union, then spent 6 years in Israel before moving to America, and given all the false documents she has tried to hoist on the courts to bring down the President, it might be easier to believe that it is SHE who is trying to bring down our government. Hmmm, I’ll leave this to World Net Daily to look into.
Sorry. That should have read “They’re legal forms. They are accepted as proof of citizenship at the federal level.”
He does nothing about it, so we all focus on this issue and not the real issues. His destruction of this country while the majority of people sit and watch it happen. We are talking onlline about our anger, but what are we doing? Really? He is still there, Pelousy is still there, Franken, Reid, all of them are still there ramming “bills” down our throats that this country can never pay for all the while bowing to other countries as he apologizes for us? I’m not apologetic for anything about this Country, my ancestors fought and died, as did many others to get away from Socialist Rule and gain the freedom we have today. HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH?
The proof of the pudding will come AFTER November, once the population has had a chance to see the new makeup of the legislature and how they will behave regarding our badly eroded Constitution and bill of rights. How all this shakes out will determine what comes next. I sure hope whoever is elected plans to do the right things, because the American public is aroused and I doubt they will just go back to sleep. If they do, then they will get what they deserve. Too bad some of us who care will be dragged along with them…….
You “birthers” are a bunch of nut cases!…Unbelievable how ignorant and backwards you are.
You are the ignorant one. Someone who refuses to see WHY people question his background is just plain stupid.
dear sue, we have never met but, iam a sixty year old disabled vetran who thainks the same thought that you do i hope so have a nice day or evening.
Better a nutcase than a blind fool. All most of America wants is to have the truth shown to us. So far, I have heard a better argument that he is hiding something. If he is not a citizen, there are alot of news people and judges that blocked the information needing to be removed or even put in jail. Closing your eyes does not make it true.
OK, let us try this situation. You want to be governor and are REQUIRED under law to prove your citizenship, but you do not want to. Are we just supposed to presume that you meet the rules and regulations just because you say you do? Or better yet, I want that job and you question that I qualify and I belittle you and call you racist or stupid or whatever I please to discredit you. Would that not raise any question in your little brain about what I am trying to hide, or is it just because he is HALF black and we all know a black person would never lie!
BRAVO DON…..YOU SAID IT RIGHT !!! I’M HEHIND YOU 1000% REMEMBER THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST PLAIN IDIOTS OUT THERE THAT SWEAR OBAMBAM IS THE BEST THING SINCE ICE CREAM……
Ciniowa if you have proof that he is eligible please share it with the so called birthers, so they can stop being birthers. You must know something that the birthers do not know. Please share.
You must have information that we do not have.
where were all these truth seekers during the Bush years. How much were the American people lied to then. Let’s face it. This is a website for the racist tea party haters to gather and make themselves feel better. It is a small a shrinking group and is a waste of time in a world that needs much more than this.
I don’t know why people waste time and energy worrying about where he was born. It’s never going to be resolved. Don’t you know this is a diversion to keep you from concentrating on the real problems. Wake up.
Boy!!! Talk about a small (minded) and shrinking group (yer ‘nads??). This is the first place anywhere in this article AND subsequent posts to whip out the “racist” title.
Refresh my memory….. you guys are the tolerant ones…. right????
People that are small minded and have no facts, call names and point fingers to take away the fact that they themselves are ignorant of the truth.
Joe says: you are a moron the subject is not bush, bush is not in office now and an,t been for allmost 2 years the subject is O B A M A, now say it OBAMA,OK, try agin OK OBAMA NOT BUSH ONE MORE TIME OBAMA so wake up from your drug induces stuper get off the drugs and please try to remimber that bush an,t in office now your god OBAMA IS
Dyed in the wool crybaby liberal……….I used to be a pot smoking hippie liberal type once, so I can spot ‘em easily. They always seem to have some sort of messianic complex like “we have to save the world”. My own daughter, whom I haven’t heard from in 4 years is one of those. I could not for the life of me get her to see any point of reason at all…totally convinced, in the face of hard evidence. She is 44 and has a degree, so one could rule out lack of intelligence.
Joe…..only time will tell just how “Small” this non-thinking TP group is?
Your statement of nuts, well did you belong to Obama and his cazars to think un american. Being a vetern just who protected your behind, certanity not you. Shape up or ship out we don’t need traitors like you. Here in Wyoming you would be branded a coward.
RDAVIS…TOUCHE’ HERE IN FLORIDA HE’D BE BRANDED A COWARD/TRAITOR/COMMUNIST/JIHAD LOVIN’ FOOL……IMPEACH HIM & LARDASS MICHELLE & GET RID OF ALL THE VERMIN THATS ROTTING AWAY OUR COUNTRY ITS TIME TO FUMAGATE WASHINGTON,BEFORE IT GETS OUT OF CONTROL !!!!!! THX.
I agree with you Lee. Rather than calling Michelle Soetoro a lard ass, I like to call her the “Last Lady, with the Aunt Jemima ass.” We have to get rid of them as soon as possible. They are members of the INNERCITY LOWLIFE CLASS, and are trying their best to turn the White House into a Project Housing plan. I can remember many years ago, driving into Washington, D. C. and there was a sign placed on the road side and it said: “You are now entering Little Africa” W O W the Soetoros sure trying their best to restore that era.
hahaha, you call us backwards and nut cases. ciniowa, i bet you still believe the moon is made of cheese, don’t ya?
You are either on some nasty drugs, or are a complete moron. Stick you head back up your ass and take a nap!
Reasonable doubt, a DESPERATE need for the people to unite around SOMETHING real, and the law dictate this “question” be resolved. The ONLY reasons to continue the stone-walling is “you don’t want to know” or “it MIGHT be true and that (expletive deleted) Constitution is gettin’ in the way of our One-World utopia… AGAIN”!!
The Obamatons walk among us.
ciniowa… Demanding proof of citizenship does not make anyone a nut case. Being apathetic to the issue does much more harm to our country than those who want proof.
I know the “organizers” pay some people to come on here and try to confuse, so are you paid to look so ignorant, or are you really one of those reprogrammed college liberals that has been so brainwashed they can’t even think for themselves, just worship obama when he’s done nothing right and it’s so obvious to anyone who looks. Yeah, Bush sucked too, they have all been part of the machine to some extent, but we’ve never had anyone so hell bent on destroying our country and our freedoms as this puppet. How did so many get so brainwashed and so ignorant is what amazes me. If conservatives can admit Bush sucked, why can’t you liberal crazy people admit obama sucks worse? Are you all so ignorant you can’t see he is taking away all your freedoms? Are you so ignorant you can’t see you won’t be allowed to voice your opinions anymore if he continues in the direction he (they) are going? Do you want to live under dictatorship? Don’t you care about your freedom at all? To think that we all thought we should send our children to college to better themselves, and then they come out reprogrammed, brainwashed and living with blinders on.
ciniowa,LOOK MORON JUST BECAUSE YOUR BLACK AND THINK YOUR GOD OBAMA CAN DO NO WRONG,does not give you the right to condemn other for there belives this is the united states and we have laws that i and you have to live by, and one is proof as to who you say you are under law and be able to show legal proof
Do not think being labeled a “nutcase or nutter” by the mindless is a bad thing.
The minute you call people names you lose all credibility.
And You are very OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY ….Obama Is A USURPER…..
& it’s unbelievable how naive & trusting you Obamanites are!
Sounds like they picked the father candidate from a list of suspects and chose the one that would automatically make him ineligible. Opps.
Sounds like his mother like variety and probably don’t have a clue who his father really is. Maybe she was a professional!
Sounds like she was a tramp wallowing in white guilt.
slickporsche,no she was just a white hoe that liked sex and you are right she most likly did not know who obama dad was
Kinetic1 is misinformed. The certificate of live birth (COLB) is NOT a legal document! Try using it when obtaining a driver’s license or passport. They’ll laugh you out of motor vehicle or the post office. I know, I tried.
And, the fact that the courts continue to say that We the People have “no standing” to ask for Obama’s eligibility is another fraud. As taxpayers, we have the absolute right to demand to know if we have a valid government when paying taxes. Otherwise, no one would be obligated to pay their taxes, because no one would be able to swear under oath to a rogue government. Taxpayers have standing to know where their monies are being used, and if being fraudulently used in a pseudo-government run by a pseudo-president, that gives all taxpayers standing to demand answers as to Barack Insane Obama’s eligibility to be POTUS.
As for the point that no laws, regulations, appointments or executive orders will be valid if Obama is found not to be eligible and it will cause chaos (which could be the ultimate goal), I don’t believe it will cause chaos. Obama and the current Marxist administration have caused all the chaos already with the unconstitutional Obamacare nightmare health bill, the failed stimulus and TARP bills, the “Cash for Clunkers” bill, and the new stimulus bills. If Obama is found not to be eligible, the laws, EOs, regulations and appointments (specifically his czars) will be rescinded and it will not affect the country in any way.
to your statment of nobody being hurt what side of the moon do you live on, how about the service personal that are killed because of him and his orders while in the office,and lets not forget all of the people that will be hurt from his so called laws he wants passed if he is not able to be the prez of the united states of america.
I think he is a muslum. If it walks like a duck…
Do ylou know any religoud non-muslum who call the koran holy?
The Torah is also holy.
A typical mindless un-related response to a real question.
The Torah is the foundational history of the Hebrews and their origins.
Stop dumbing down on me Jeff. Go back to your padded room!
ainerdee,
Obama is a Christian,give it a rest.
http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1.php
Sorry coal miner, BO is NOT a Christian.
BO believes in (satan probably) Black Liberation Theology under Rev. J. Wright.
Black Liberation believes you have to TAKE jobs and money from the “oppressor” (white, Christian, Jew) and GIVE it to the “oppressed” (black) to receive “Collective Salvation.”
(Sounds alot like Godless Marxism to me.)
Sorry, but Christianity doesn’t work that way. You receive “individual salvation” from God by believing/ trusting in Jesus… that He is the Son of God, He died on the cross for our sins (past, present & future), rose on the third day, and sits on the right hand side of God.
You don’t have to take anything or hurt someone or a group of people to receive LIFE Eternal from God.
You can NOT get salvation for your spouse, family members or friends. THEY HAVE TO BELIEVE.
BO was raised in communist Islamic beliefs and sat in Wright’s “God d@mn America, not God Bless America. and, White people are the devil.” church for 20 years.
That’s not Christianity, not at all.
No one comes to the Father, but by Me. (Jesus)
Christin, you’ll have to excuse old king coal dunger. He’s a deciple of the Joy of Satan.
COal Miner…..I beg to differ….How could anyone be a Christian who believes in “Collective-Salvation”? Explain it to me?
Bob:
Where is your proof that Obama s ineligible for the office? If you cannot produce it – and have it verified – then either you are a member of a lunatic fringe, or you are (worse yet) someone willing to lie to undermine the president – hardly worthy of your self-described patriot label.
Your stupidity speaks for itself!
It is NOT our responsibility to prove he is not eligible, but HIS to prove he IS you lunatic.
go get him sue,thank you for the way it should be, the sixty year old vet.
Hell truly hath no fury like a woman scorned. As Oprah put it, YOU GO GIRL!
RICSEAG…..YOU HAVE THE SAME MENTALITY AS “YOUR” PRESIDENT OBAMBAM HAS….NO ROOM FOR IDIOCY……YOU NEED HELP!!!!
Ric: If you applied for a position with a hospital and told them you were a surgeon who recieved training at John Hopkins, do you think they wouldn’t ask for some credintials?
RicSeag, I & most others are AMERICANS PATRIOTS who expect & demand that our leaders be the same, & it doesn’t hinge on what your definition of “is” is!
RicScags, one of Obama’s 1st executive orders was to close his records to the public, we don’t buy your B.S.
Find out who works in the offices that could provide the information and ask them to provide details and copies as a Patriot and concerned citizen. Provide a bounty for the information. Use wikileaks as a go between. He damaged the US so we may as well use him to help.
Mike, fellow statesman- go to Bob’s News letter from Friday, August 20. Click on Freedom Watch and read “Did the CIA Back Obama’s Rise to Power?” Read the posts below the article and see that the gov in HIGH places is in on the cover up. (real scary stuff)
I have one clarification/question regarding the above article. You state that “if Obama Sr., a Kenyan citizen, is Obama’s father, Obama is not a Constitutionally described natural-born citizen because one parent is a non-citizen and the other was a minor and therefore unable to bestow citizenship on the child — if Obama was born in Kenya, as many believe.” I used to process registrations of child born abroad for the U.S. Army when a soldier and his wife had a baby born (in Germany in my case). As it was explained to me, those children could not grow up to become President because their citizenship was “derived” from their parents. It did not matter that they were on a military assignment nor even that they might have been born in an American military hospital. Thus, the age of Obama’s mother should be irrelevant if he was born in Kenya. I believe this is a point that should be clarified by a lawyer, specializing in citizenship law.
Then how was McCain ruled to be eligable, he was born in Panama to military parent(s)…..
McCain may have been born in Panama, but he was born on a US military installation which is soverign US territory making him a US citizen. Plus both his parents are US citizens plus one was on active duty with the US Navy!
exactly correct Brad, and when asked to prove his citizenship, McCain did. He did not spend millions to hide anything, it probably cost him thirty dollars or so to prove his citizenship. then again o-bla-bla has spent millions and continues to spend money to hide the truth.
It is one of those nasty facts that Democrats posing as liberals (True liberals use the term libertarian these days) try to avoid.
Before the election McCain was challenged and answered.
Before the election Obama was challenged and avoided.
What truly tells us that we HAVE to throw out everyone in Congress except Ron Paul and maybe 1 or 2 others is that they did NOT respond to the challenge to Obama and did their best to ignore or belittle it. These same folk were more than happy to demand proof from McCain. There is a word for that kind of behavior. Starts with an h.
only thing is if a child is born of us citizens in a possession of [a country under us laws]as mccane was there for are us citizens
Why would anyone hide their birth certificate without something to hide? Most are proud of their birth place. There is a continual stench slowly rising from this issue that will not go away. He was placed by the Socialistic, Far Left NWO. If we all get together and pray about this, God will reveal the truth regardless of who programmed him and placed him.
very true, the same holds true for o-bla-bla being muslim. the media, libs and everywhere else you turn are always bashing christians, then why is it some important for o-bla-bla to be considered a christian? why not just come out and say he is what he is?
Amen Brother Amen
in reply to your statment about god giveing the answer to us, do we or not have our own opions, and make up our mind, and we do what we thaink will be the anwser to our question.
The “mombassa miracle” seems to have defenders of anything he does. Look at his statements made during a campeign speech where he actually admits to attending Flag burnings and stated that we should be more like the “peaceful” Muslim nations.
His birthplace is an accident not of his choosing, but his Anti American attitude is HIS choice.
THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DON’T TRUST OBAMA AND IF HE WANTS TO SPEND MONEY HE DOES NOT HAVE , HE SHOULD SPEND HIS MILLIONS ON THESE CAUSES AND LET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KEEP OURS.
THE BEST INDICATION ON “GOOD FAITH” WOULD BE PROVIDE ALL INFORMATION OR YOUR OUT OF OFFICE. IT IS SAID HE HAS SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR LEGAL SERVICES TO KEEP THE USA IN THE DARK OF HIS TRUE IDENITY, CAN IT BE THAT THIS IS MONEY THAT THE GOVERMENT IS PAYING WHICH WOULD BE STEALING FROM THE PUBLIC.
atlast the real reason of what money is being spent to protect his behind,and cover up his bad of bones in the closet.
JIM DALLY,
He did promise us transparency if he was elected and he kept that promise…We can see right through him…pretty transparent huh?
He also promised us Change…up until the day after he took office, I still had some change (in my pocket), Now the only thing I have is lint…and they are taking that too ( my guess is they are afraid that I might accrue enough to knit a hand warmer someday).
The mentality in America that “it” could never happen to/in America is the first danger to America, the second danger is obama, whom I believe was born in Kenya, and a well thought out and planned coup!
obama just happens to be the tool who was groomed to be the face of the coup.
If America makes it to November without obama instituting martial law and nameing himself as dictator for life, America had best vote out the DEMONcRATS in congress to save this great nation from the evil which is trying to destroy her.
I believe that this is exactly what The Obamanation is trying to do. For instance, if the American citizens decide that they have had enough of the illegal entries into the US, and decide to show up at the border with guns and start shooting people, to stop the amnesty, then the POTUS could declare Marshal Law, suspended the Constitution, and institute any rules and regulations that he desires without the approval of Congress. The only choice we have is to keep a cool head, and vote the Dems out so that a balance of power will keep the dictator under control and stop his ideological nonsense. It is time that we wake up and take our Country back!
we have one other option as mentioned above, pray in agreement together that the truth comes out on obama, and that he, and his partners in crime, are ousted out! I have to say, that it is so obvious to a Christian that obama is not a Christian, and most assuredly not a US citizen either, and I don’t know, but it seems that the ones who have these complete blinders over their eyes about him are all non believers. I mean some can claim to be Christians, but we know them by their fruit. Fruitcake is not the same I don’t think… just saying… we need to pray together in agreement every night that the truth comes to light, and that the evil is ousted out of Gods country again! Thank God that he has allowed us to see so clearly.
sunrise,i have to say anyone that would go to the same church with the same unamerican pastor for 20 years and had never heard him [wright]say any thing bad about this country is ether a liar a moron or he belives what he hears, i do not think he is a out right moron so that makes him a liar and a beliver in what wright was saying
If you go to Atlas Shrugs website and type in under search, “Ann Stanley Dunham”, it will bring up the most complete essay on POTUS birth issue that I have seen in one place. Look at the photos and video of Malcom X speaking.
oldblackcow, thanks for the info. Very interesting and informative. An awful lot of that information is available on a lot of other websites, but this seems to be more comlete overall.
The question has also been rasised that Barack Obama SR. is not even Obama’s father, it could very well be Frank Marshall Davis.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2112829/posts
Pamela Geller is the one of the biggest enemies the US ever could have…. she is trying hard to draw the US into another war. She is twisting facts and has been caught over and over to make up stories and right out lie. She is a closeted lesbian as shown by her biased and one sided reporting of honor killings…only the pretty ones and only Muslims totally ignoring Jewish and christian honor killings…..yes they do exist…but not in the racist and xenophobic world of Atlas Shrugs…if this hate site is your reverence you are a poor and brainwashed human being.
Why is Obama allowed different procedures to prove he is an American citizen than other candidates? Obama and his cronies sends a picture to my brain of a bride and groom leaving the church after the wedding with dozens of tin cans tied to their car!!!! Utter distraction and confusion in every direction!!!!
When someone calls you a nutcase and tries to shout you down because you ask questions that they don’t want answered, it proves who the real nutcase is. maybe you don’t mind sticking your head in the sand and hoping you don’t get your ass shot off,but I want to know without a doubt that this imposter is who he says he is. The dumbing down of america is taking a toll as people don’t want to learn the truth. They find it easier to accept whatever they are told. wouldn’t want to stess out your brain trying to learn the inconvenient truth, would you?
Dear Bob,
I read your article:
”The Presidential Poser
August 23, 2010 by Bob Livingston”
it clearly shows your caracter, a doom profet. You’re more interested in pleasing your think alike followers than in the truth or more importantly, the futur of the country.
I’m not one of your admirers but a reality withness. I want nothing to do with abusers that us average people stupidity for their own profit.
PLEASE CANCELL MY SOUSCRIPTION AS OF NOW.
Marco Rodriguez
Learn to spell!
LMAO, thanks dee, i needed this today.
marco (polo) consider it done with pleasure.
No pun intended Marco, but could your opinion have any relationship with your last name??? Just wondering!!!!
Good riddance.
Marco Rodriquez,
Considering both your spelling and incoherence of sentence structure, I must deduct that you are a product of the “No moron left behind” policy.
Education is a wonderful thing…get some.
don,t let the door hit you in the ass and take the flashman with you
Marco, adios!
Marco…I hear they have a great system down in Mexico. Between the Drug Lords and the THUG they call President, you can probably do better down there. Just be sure you wear a full compliment of BODY armour and make sure you don’t speak English….BYE!!!
All Obama has to do is release all his personal records for review, then the truth will be known, until that day happens people will believe he isn’t a natural born citizen, plain and simple. Right now there’s too many unanswered questions and speculation on fact base reporting. I just want the truth and if Obama is found being a non-citizen, it will kill the democ “Rat” party because they endorsed this guy, the guy who leads their party.
By the way the CNN poll covered whether people believed Obama was a Muslim Vs. a Christian, the CNN poll finds 21% (up from 17%) of people believe he’s a muslim while 34% (down from 45%) believe he’s christian. With everything Obama has said publicaly, I believe he is hiding his true religious beliefs, hense in my opinion he is muslim and is lieing to all of us.
His birth certificate from Hawaii has been released, and is available for ANYONE to see on the internet!!!!!
Exactly what more is needed?
Please tell us what “records” he needs to release to stop the morons from quibbling?
Its called the one the doctors signed. My kids were born in CA but my mom placed an announcement in an Indiana paper of their birth. Does that make them a citizen of Indiana? BTW no birth certificate was needed for her to post.
Don’t you think it is odd that despite other states passing harsh immigration laws that Arizona was singled out? Do you think that that is because AZ requires proof of citizenship before being on the ballot?
I think an official of Hawaii has already made a statement the bc does not exist. Think about it, why would a long standing democrat back a republican candidate in Hawaii? These senators and reps know he isn’t who he says he is.
Earlier this year a senior Honolulu elections clerk went on local television and said that it was common knowledge among election officials that NO OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE — he called it the long-form birth record — EXISTS IN HAWAII, despite what Governor Linda Lingle has said.
Dee. We want the legal one. The one that says “Certificate” and contains little details like hospital, Doctor, Nurse attending etc.
http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/birth-certificate-vs-certification-of-live-birth/
Brad
Public opinion and $5 will get you a cup of coffee almost anywhere.
Brad
It’s innocent until PROVEN guilty not guilty until proven innocent.
What country do you live in?
Sorry Norm but where have you been?? It is guilty until proven innocent. That is one of the problems with this country.
Norm, Slickporsche,
It’s just my opinion, I’m not trying to impose my will onto other’s as would a liberal/progressive, they would have you believe all the lie’s without proof.
Wrong.
When it comes to applying for a drivers license, we are guilty until proven innocent. We provide proof of birth or we don’t get one. How much more important is it that we keep frauds out of high office?
that is only for american citizens to have to prove not if your an illegal
Yeah Norm: Tell that to the divorce court.
Been there done that.
Gunner that was one clear shot from the hip. GOOD ONE
Not that this is going to make any difference but while
“innocent until proven guilty” is the purported standard,
the reality is slightly more subtle.
Witness the recent “blago verdicts”, or lack of them. The
prosecution failed to meet its burden on all but a single
count, so blago is therefor “innocent”? But wait, since the
jury failed to reach a unanimous verdict of “not guilty”
the “state” can retry him as many times as it wishes, until
a unanimous “not guilty” verdict is reached.
Regardless of what your political leanings ( label ) are/is,
there is something very wrong with our legal system, which has
been morphed over time, into something that would be unrecognizable
to the framers.
Law (common) and Equity courts, which are jurisdictions cited
in Article III, no longer exist anywhere in the UNITED STATES,
and this alteration has essentially changed the standards of
our so called “justice system”, since common law and equity
courts require that an actual “crime” has been committed.
This standard, “corpus delecti” ( body of crime ) requires
that a victim ( common law ) or damage ( equity ) actually
exists. In this system, juries have the right to judge both
the FACTS and the LAW, and this was the final check against
the potential abuses of government power.
Since “assistance of counsel” now means, a duly certified
attorney, licensed by the BAR ASSOCIATION, this right to
challenge the LAW directly, as a defense can not be raised,
and should one attempt to do so ( assuming they actually teach
this in law school ) the “lawyer” doing so would be threatened
with “contempt”. This defense is known as “jury nullification”,
but the meaning has been distorted over time, thanks to the
“media” and courtroom fiasco’s, ala O.J. Simpson.
The Constitution is an amazing piece of work and its central
idea is one based on a profound understanding and “FEAR”
of a large CENTRALIZED AUTHORITY. (tyranny) This document
provides for the “redress of grievances”, via the “judiciary”,
and as such, provides for the proper understanding of the
“seperation of powers”, and the intent of Articles 9 & 10
of the Bill of Rights.
Since the FEDERAL government has usurped every aspect of life
in the united States, the “people” must appeal to their
“oppressors” for such “redress”, and this just “ain’t gonna
happen”.
Ever since the Confederacy under the Command of Gen. Robert E Lee surrendered in 1865 the Federal gov’t has usurped more & more power, growing more & more powerful. If the three branches of gov’t were in fact equal today this current fiasco would not be tolerated.
Well H.T. I say that we are very close to the point where many will suddenly decide to take Thomas Jeferson’s premise to take up arms against tyranny. I tkae it from the readings today that a lot of our stalling in getting the information for impeachment is from our judges threatening the inquirers. What would happen if we stopped listening to the judges and demanding to know what we need to know even under contempt of court. What if we refuse to pay the fines and refuse to go to jail and what if there is enough of us to overtake the judge, sheriff and jail? Then the federal marshalls come to play and again as a body refuse to bend to tyrranny and demand the truth? Oh yes it may well get messy and blood on the ground but Liberty was never cheap and the tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of tyrants and Patriots alike. You judges out there take head, you are in dangerous waters and even the mighty army of the Republic will turn its head on you. They swore to defend the Constitution, not you or the President.
Hello Frank,
“Just say NO!” or refusing is an excellent idea.
But this requires three things to be accomplished.
1.) The proper education on how to refuse, which requires a basic
understanding of the proper legal methods, depending on what one
is attempting to accomplish.
2.) Those with the courage to employ this knowledge to a final
conclusion regardless of risks. ( actual or threatened )
3.) Finally a citizenry educated to such an extent that even if
they do not have the courage to take personal action, can be
relied upon to “refuse to convict” as members of a jury.
While this latter goal may seem a little far fetched, the actual results are somewhat promising. For example, the IRS fails to
obtain a conviction for “failure to file” in one third of the
cases it prosecutes and the real danger for the government in
all cases where constitutional law is at issue, is that an appeal
will result, establishing a “precedent” which can be relied on
by others, but more importantly one that a judge is forced to
comply with.
For example, a precedent exists for refusing to file a w-4 in the
Ninth Circuit and is based on IRS regulation, 26 CFR 31.3402( p )
which compared to the statute is short and succinct. It begins:
An employer and employee may enter into an agreement to withhold.
and ends with This agreement in cancelable by either party upon written notice.
Without a w-4 in place, nothing is withheld, and no W-2 is required
at the end of the year. The IRS has no jurisdiction to proceed,
since wages are not income and Social Security is and has always
been a VOLUNTARY program.
Another thing that needs to be learned is the reservation of
rights required by UCC 1 -207, and the State or Commonwealth
equivalent. All have adopted the UCC in its entirety with the
exception of Louisiana, which has partilly adopted it.
It is under this device that both Federal and State justice systems
have established Admiralty and Maritime jurisdictions in place of
law and equity.
UCC 1-207 states that failure to reserve your rights before you
need them, precludes you from claiming them, when you in fact
do. The rights you are reserving, are those in the Bill of Rights
as well as those procedures required by common law and equity, as
noted before.
Now all of this may seem complex, but it is not all that hard to
learn and put into action, and the best part is that for those
that do so, the benefits are clear. ( financially and otherwise )
So in this case you have a rather strange situation where “perceived
self interest” ( selfishness ) lends itself to an “enlightened
self interest” result.
This rather direct approach seems a bit more productive than all
this “opinionated distraction” and a better alternative than armed
insurrection, which without an actual understanding of what went
wrong in the first place, will only result in more of the
same, under a different tyrant.
The lesson of history IS: We have learned NOTHING from history.
I have been doing genealogical research for over 30 years. In my personal experience (and that of a lot of other genealogical researchers) a person does NOT get their ORIGINAL birth certificate. That document is kept on file by the state, county, or other jurisdiction where the person was born.
If each and every one of the “birthers” will simply LOOK at their birth certificate they will see that it is a CERTIFIED COPY of a record on file in the state where they were born.
Next, they need to go to whatever place they were born and ask for the ORIGINAL to be released to them. SURPRISE!!!!! The holder of the ORIGINAL, whether it be state, county, city or WHATEVER wilol NOT release the original.
I think a lot of those birthers may be confusing the fancy birth certificate issues by some hospitals when a baby is born with the LEGAL DOCUMENT that an original birth certificate is!
What scares me more than the right or non-right of Obama to be President, is the sheer number of STUPID PEOPLE in our country who simply cannot grasp the fact that PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!!
Dee,
I was born in Virginia quite a few years ago and today I have my original b-certificate my mom gave to me; I even have my updated b-certificate when I was legally adopted! So yes, if Obama has his real b-certificate he should post it for all to see which will end the controversy concerning his eligability to be POTUS. When any individual requests their b-certificate, all they get is a certified copy and verifying stamp.
born in texas in the 50′s, and have a copy of my original, my mother gave it to me and she also had the originals for my sisters.
Hey, Dingbat…………we are not saying the actual
original, but produce a copy of the actual original!
Hey, we do get copies of the original. And it has to be a certified copy. I had to show it when my kids entered kindergarden and when they got their driver’s license. Obama has never even given us a copy of his copy. That is all we ask for.
Then give us the certified copy. Not the record of live birth.
That is the problem with Obama, he cannot provide the copy.
i say again he is afraid to show the true b c because of the skelatons in his closet and embarrashing things that would hurt him, to bad when you take the oath to be the oresident of the uited stats you have no choise but to comply.
Have you people nothing better to do than to trash the president of the United States of America who is trying to clean up the mess he walked into? I am so embarrassed about the behavior of America.People in other countries are amazed at the treatment of the President. Some of you need to grow up. So petty like a bunch of kids whining all day long. This country is made up of immigrants. Where are from, start tracing. We need to think about getting our country back on track. Lets help the President.
Number one: he “walked into this mess” with his eyes wide open & knew what he was getting into. Number two: the Constitution plainly states that the President of the United States MUST be born here. PERIOD. I don’t doubt one bit that other countries are embarrassed at the United States for electing such an incompetent boob to be President. ‘Nuff said.
To Isoline,
“Let’s help the President.” Let’s help the President do what exactly??? Help destroy what’s left of the America I was born and raised in? Well, at least you didn’t throw out the race card…yet. Instead you just decided that anyone that complains about the President is now just a bunch of petty, whiney kids and that we need to grow up. Guess what??? Us “kids” have as much right as you to have an opinion. That’s one of the few freedoms left in this country, which by the way, your boy Obama is working on destroying. We ALL freakin’ know that this country is made up of immigrants. The difference between the original immigrants is that they didn’t have a problem working working hard to make a living and they wanted, with all their hearts to become citizens. This so not the case today. Most of them all want handouts and Gov’t money. They don’t want to work. I do agree with you on one your points though. We do need get our country back on track. However, I also believe that Obama is NOT the one to do it. He and his wife do not believe in America, it’s values, or morals. They want to make our country into something that continues to serve THEM! As for you feeling embarrassed about the behavior of American people…well, you should be much more embarrassed about having your so-called President apologizing for everything the US has EVER done!! Why would anyone do that??? And, by the way, who flippin’ cares about what other countries think about us??? They don’t freakin’ live here and besides, they are all far from perfect too!! My God, America certainly isn’t perfect but you cannot convince me that everything in the history of our nation has always been about America being the bad guy. Well, guess I’d better go for now. I have a class in 5 minutes on “How to Grow up.”
What has been shown is not obama’s Certified Copy of his Birth Certificate. What has been shown is a Certification of Birth(or Certification of Live Birth). It is a big difference. The Certification of Birth (or Certification of Live Birth) does not show all the information that a Birth Certificate does. A certified copy of a Hawaiian Birth Certificate and the internet shown copy of obama’s Certification of Birth (or Certification of Live Birth) have been shown side by side (or one above the other) and there is a world of difference between the two. Obama’s certification contains significantly less information than does the Hawaiian Birth Certificate.
http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/BirthCerts/Archive/Birth_Certificate.htm
Just to show the difference.
Duh, Dee: I have my certified copy of my original birth certificate, and it doesn’t look like the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) that Obama and his lapdogs are passing off as a certified copy of his original birth certificate. In fact, the COLB document that Obama is passing off to try and fool the public was done on a desktop computer. THERE WERE NO COMPUTERS IN 1961 YOU DOLT!!!!!!!
My birth certificate is a photo copy of the registry of births A hard bound book kept at the beureau of vital statistics for Massachusetts.
It isn’t as pretty as the posers but it has a wealth of info on it that is strangley missing from the posers COLB.
Dee,
Being born before obama was I can tell you that I have a long form birth record. although it could be a copy of the original it give all the information needed to verify who I am. along with my parents and grandparents.
It states my Address as to where my parents were living when I was born…The name of the Doctor who delivered me… The Hospital and what city and state… My parents full name and age… My Grandparents name…A set of foot prints of me… A set of finger prints of me and my MOTHER…The Date,Year and Time I was born…
NOW….. FOR 30 YEARS OF SEEKING INFO OF YOUR PAST RELATIVES YOU MAYBE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK UP WHAT A LONG FORM B.C. CAN TELL YOU…. BIRTH RECORDING STARTED ABOUT 1920′S, BEFORE THAT YOU NEED TO
CHECK OUT OTHER AVENUES FOR INFO…
THIS GANG OF THUG IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THIS PARASITE YOU WANT TO DEFEND AS YOUR PRESIDENT IS THE ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND ITS PEOPLE…UNTIL HE COMPLIES WITH THE LAWS OF THIS NATION (NOT THE MUSLINS NATION) BUT THIS NATION HE IS A LAIR AND A THIEF AND NOT FIT TO BE IN OUR WHITE HOUSE. FURTHER MORE CAN YOU TELL ME WHY HE IS USING THE PEOPLES MONEY TO COVER UP HIS AND HIS WIFE’S HISTORY HERE..
DOESN’T THAT SIGNAL ANYTHING WITH YOU… YOU MUST BE ONE OF THE STUPID PEOPLE OBAMA IS REFERRING TO ALL THE TIME. THE EASY ONES THAT DO NOTHING AND WAKE UP WHEN ITS TO LATE TO DO ANYTHING…AND IF OUR COUNTRY IS FULL OF YOU KIND OF PEOPLE I SAY NO WONDER WE ARE IN THIS MESS AND TROUBLE TODAY…AND ITS TIME TO KICK YOUR ASSES… GET IT TOGETHER DEE.. YOUR LIFE ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE IN AMERICA IS IN DEEP DISTURBING TROUBLE FOR OUR FUTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN..
THIS PERSON
A copy of the original will do. Look at this link. We want to see a certified copy of one that has the kind of info on the one on the right.
http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/BirthCerts/Archive/Birth_Certificate.htm
Whether people like this guy or not doesn’t matter about this birth debate. I am not familiar with the specific procedures, but I am certain some election office/process vetted his citizenship prior to his nomination. And that process must have left tracks. Let us follow those tracks.
You might want to start with Pelosi.
I would not allow Obammy to wipe my ass after i took a good poop. He is so low on the smart scale that if he jumped off a dime he would break every bone in his scronny skinny body. In fact, if we want to be politically correct, we should treat him just like shari law and muslim belief says, ” bury him up to his waist in sand and stone him”. Plus this will save us all the paper needed to write up impeachment papers. Please someone, some politican, who ever, please end this nightmare that sleeps in the white house! We all known why someone would spend millions to block and hide the documents that proof who you are, these people are crooks and decievers. Why were we so stupid to allow Obammy boy and his czars into office?
Because there are enough fools out there who fall for the free lunch-class envy speech evey time. That’s the backbone of the Democratic Party. P.T. Barnum was right !
put a dress on him and stone him to death for showing himself in public.
This is really an issue of people not understanding both the constitution and subsequent laws/decisions on how the United States handles territories with respect to the term “natural born”.
Since Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 after Hawaii had become a state, so there what the questions are seem to be mute.
The two presidential candidates from Arizona (John McCain and Barry Goldwater) have a murkier qualification to the term “natural born”. John McCain having been born in the Panama Zone in 1937 and Barry Goldwater in 1909, three years before Arizona was a state. In these cases, it has been the opinion that both John and Barry were “natural born” and had a legal right (if not duty) to run for the presidency.
This is my conservative reading of the Constitution and subsequent rulings from the perspective of my college law courses.
I think there are a lot more pressing issues that we face as a nation that are having our focus diverted by this so-called controversy.
Just my humble opinion.
I think your right on center.
You are on the wrong website. Reasoned opinions are not welcomed here.
I hardly think “birthers” are nut cases. I knew none of my children could run for POTUS because of one parent being foreign born. I wondered about obama during the campaign and waited for the vetting, as in McCain’s case. I recently reviewed my neice’s bc who was born in Germany (military) and there were signatures every place or she would have had to have a passport to get back into the US.
The founders wrote the requirements the way there were to maintain the allegience to the US and not to have a divided allegience to another country. Since my spouse was part Russian, would you feel confortable having one of my children as POTUS if you thought he might be influenced by communism?
As one can see, we have the same issue with the illegals who do not want to give up their Mexican culture. If amnesty goes through and anchor babies are recognized, then any one of them can also be eligible for POTUS.
Would you really want me to sneek any Russian relatives into your neighborhood (and they speak English very well) and on the day of amnesty become eligible for POTUS, first generation? That goes for all the muslims, the Euros, the Asians, the Latins.
The poser, the liar, the traitor. That is what this obama fool is. The military should take over, none of the repubs or rats have the balls to. Then this kenyan traitor should be hung for treason, along with all his left wing extremist supporting cast. Money is buying everyone, but I want to see them all at the end of a rope. Money not required.
Mark
Have you ever read the Constitution? No not Mein Kampf, the Constitution of the US.
Mark must have fantasies that Obama is the Czar Nicolas family and wants to stage a coup. Welcome to the Revolution!
…and fast eddie has replaced the poster of Prince over his bed with a full size poster of BHO. Sweet dreams cupcake!
I didn’t know you cared!
Just suppose that by some strange method Obama was declared ineligible and taken down, who would replace him? Joe Biden? Do we really want that Duuuuhhh as our president? All our presidents have assassination proofed themselves in the selection of the vice president. Look at GHW Bush and Dan Quayle, sheesh, look at GW Bush and the sneer! Obama? We’re stuck with him, but not with congress. But just remember that ALL great recessions and depressions have come at the end of Republican administrations and have been corrected by the succeeding Democratic administrations. And no, I don’t believe in Robin Hood, what I do believe in is keeping the robber barons in check by not just sending in your proxy blindly and letting the real thieves keep their golden parachutes while cheating the very investors who made their position possible.
Uncle Al, you need to be reminded who was in charge of the Congress when Bush left office. It certainly wasn’t the Republicans! Obama has trippled the debt, has caused more division in this country and around the world by the way, than any POTUS that I can remember. This country runs on its economy which he is trying to destroy at every turn. We can only hope that the American Citizens have awakened to his evil plans will go to the polls and get him under control before we have a revolution in this country that is not going to be pretty.
Spin this to blame Bush or the GOP. First of all everything that happened to create and further expand this financial crisis, should have been seen and regulated by THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, as they are the ONLY part of the government of THE UNITED STATES that has the authority to regulate financial dealings of this country. Not a single dime can be raised in taxes, fees, tariffs, etc. without their express authority nor can any monies be spent without their authority. They and they alone are responsible for not regulating the sub-prime loans and the markets that developed as a result of them. It amazes me that learned adults in the media and in this administration still blame the Bush Administration for the financial mess. It is a lie, plain and simple and the Congress wants you to believe it so they don’t have to take the blame.
One of the basic tenets of credit is that you do not loan money to an individual or business for all that matter unless you satisfy three things. 1. You must provide proof of stable income, giving you the ability to pay back the loan. This is you must have a stable job with proof that you will be employed in that job for at least the term of the loan or mortgage. You must prove your income by tax returns or payroll stubs. 2. You must demonstrate that you have a good credit history, showing that you have used credit in the past and have repaid loans on time as agreed. You demonstrate that you “keep your word”. 3. You have to make a down payment on the loan or mortgage so you have something to lose if the loan goes bad for any reason. You usually have to put 10% down so the lender has a cushion in case the loan goes bad and he has to repossess. This way it improves the lender’s ability to break even and it makes sure the borrower won’t arbitrarily default on the loan. This has been the way credit has been handled all over the world for the last hundred years at least.
Then along comes President Jimmy Carter in 1977 who signed the COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT REINVESTMENT ACT into law to help provide affordable housing to low income people who couldn’t meet the traditional loan requirements of the last 100 years. (ADMIRABLE IDEA…RIGHT?) Then in 1995, President Bill Clinton strengthened the COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT ACT, with the approval of THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Clinton and his Democratic friends Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, and Barack Obama worked on the credit rules to do away with the income requirement that had to be proven, eliminated the down payment, and ended the credit requirements. All three then went to the banks and threatened them with lawsuits (Obama filed three lawsuits against Citibank.) and demonstrations, and boycotts, in poor neighborhoods if they didn’t make these loans. Barney Frank even admonished them “you have nothing to lose as they are government guaranteed”. Again, his exact words, not mine. The guarantee part was the loans were bought by FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC, government sponsored entities staffed by Democratic Party friends of Bill Clinton, such as Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson Jamie Gorelick and RAHM EMMANUAL, who is now Obama’s chief of staff and number one advisor. These executives paid THEMSELVES $200,000,000.00 in only six months time. FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC also paid Cristopher Dodd (D-CT), Barack Obama (D-IL) and John Kerry (D-MA) some $360,000.00. Did any of this come out in the media during the Presidential Campaign? The Democratic Party controlled THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES since January 2006. FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC spent $150 million dollars in lobbying in ten years to keep the Republicans and media away from them.
Now the stage was set for the feeding frenzy that drove THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA to the brink of bankruptcy.
SO HOW IS THIS bUSH’S FAULT?
Bill in MM….Excellent!
You really need a reality check. Where may I send yours?
I can’t believe the foolish energy spent on this. Asking to see his footprints?? All of us born at home with a community “midwife” are in the same position. What is obvious, is most people believing this garbage were never Obama supporters, and are getting their “high” from dweeling on this crap.
It is called a delayed bc. It is registered and signed.
It is sad to think our own government has betraded there own country and the judical system and the military being a coward like obama czars are cowards Our leaders are committing treason. Like it been said Obama like a Hitler and the commanders of his czars like the SS, distopel, care for no one but them selves. Ltc. Lakin, stand your grounds and don’t give in and the american citizens are well aware what is happening. I’m a vetnam vet and I know the price of freedom, Like Dougles McArthur said in 1944, I shall return and america will return back to its laws of americca. and citizens rights and state rights of liberity. We don’t need cowards and run away from responsibility to protect america, but stand up and be counted AS AMERICANS
Rdavis, thank you for your service.
it is a crying shame most of the voters who elected o-bla-bla do not know what it is to be a real American, and the rest of them would not listen to the truth.
hellow brother nam vet, there needs to be more like us to stat the truth for the public to read and understand, thanks……
Some conservatives hate Barack Obama because they cannot accept the reality that they have a black President, despite his intelligence, education, and articulateness.
Certain politicians and members of the media have embarked on a campaign to denigrate him, even to the point of saying that he is not a native-born American, and, therefore, was not eligible to be President.
In my opinion, this is mean-spiritedness. He is our President, and should be permitted to use his four-year term to lead America the way that a President does. If his policies and leadership do not please Americans, we can vote, next time, differently.
Instead, they have derided everything about him, from the day he was elected, even before he took office. It is shameful, and, despite our constitutional right of Freedom of Speech, completely negative, unproductive, and unpatriotic.
Oh, gosh, and the slamming of Pelosi is because she is white? A woman? or because we don’t agree with her politics?
O I knew someone would throw out the race card. I could care less what color he is. We are American, period. No hyphen, Americans only. Like it or get the hell out of My country.
Norm that race card thing is getting soooooo old. First of all the man is not black and if we had a REAL black president this birth thing would not even be a question. I would vote for a real black person with good values in a heartbeat. Again, this race thing is getting old.
The challenges to Obama’s eligibility have no grounding in evidence. Courts across the country have summarily rejected the movement’s theory — that Obama can’t be a citizen because his father wasn’t —as a misreading of U.S. law; and Hawaii officials, along with contemporary birth announcements, affirm that Obama was in fact born in Honolulu in 1961.
But belief in obscure, discredited theories is a constant in a country with a history of partisan division — a country in which, a recent survey showed, 34 percent of the public believes in UFOs and 24 percent believes in witches..
And only 44% of the population still believe he can DO the job. And every time this poser weighs in on an issue he loses more ground.
OLJingoist
Only 42% supportrd Reagan 1 1/2 years into his first term!
Norm; Will that equate to these folks turning against Reagan? They will expect you to turn against Obama!
Norm, according to you : But belief in obscure, discredited theories is a constant in a country with a history of partisan division — a country in which, a recent survey showed, 34 percent of the public believes in UFOs and 24 percent believes in witches..
Yes, you are right and some still hope op transparency, well we keep hoping that we will finally get the promised transparancy that has been lacking so far.
Connie
How transparent were Bush/Cheney?
(Abby)Norm(al), the reality check line forms on the left, right beside the line for free koolade & laced brownies.
Cameron
I see you’ve been to that line before.
Cameron made the brownies and Jeff stirred the koolaid. Watch out!
Norm – I agree with most of what you say. However, witches and UFOS do exist.
norm, i thought that you were a smart guy till i read your statment about the ohdombier pres we have, if you belive what you say then why would our fonding fathers have stated american born to carry out the office of the president, and untill there is proof of him beond a shadow of dought then he is not wellcom to lead our country perioud.
jimradford
To people who are paranoid, or roped in by political extremists, there can never be proof.
HEY GUYS, NORM IS THE ONLY SANE ONE HERE & THE REST OF US ARE CRAZY!
Cameron
It’s a lot more comfortable in the herd. Baa Baa.
You’re right about that. Even if a drawerful of documents was admitted in evidence to the media, these people would not admit they were wr…..wr…..wrong. They would find something to chip away at.
Depends which media you’re speaking of…Obama’s MSM or the peoples?
Norm,
What can I say? Odumbo is not black. This was known before he usurped the presidency. He is half white, about a tenth black and the rest is
pure ARAB! Get your facts straight………you sound like the one you’re trying to defend.
ValDM
Actually he is what we used to call mulatto before it became a bad word. His mom was a farm girl from the Midwest and his dad was a student from Kenya. He was born in Hawaii where his parents were living and attending college. How does that make him an Arab?
Yes, Norm, he is a mulatto, but down South we call his mammy TRASH.
What do you call Sarah Palin’s daughter? Is it all about color?
So that’s why you’re anti-Obama! One thing I have to interject here is that when I moved to SC from NJ, I was truly amazed at all of the mixed couples. I believe there is more interracial marriage/cohabitation down here than in my home state of NJ. It is heart-warming to see older white couple with half-black grandchildren. It made me think a little better of the south. Cameron, I think you’re getting out-voted.
Were waiting for Cameron’s answer.This could be a zinger.
eddie47d,
Since you’re “waiting” for his answer,
Does that mean you’ll keep your trap shut until he answers?
If it will shut him up…please don’t answer for a few days…PLEASE?….lol
fast eddie, we’ve been waiting for your answers for months on end. A classic case of the pot calling the kettle I think…
Jeff, Thinking is not high on your list of intelligent actions.
Norm….How about Pelosi and Reed? White folks aren’t they? Get a grip!!!! I personally don’t give a Rat’s $#@ if he was PURPLE!!!!
AFTER MUCH THOUGHT, I HAVE REACHED CERTAIN CONCLUSIONS REGARDING OBAMA`S PLACE OF BIRTH AND ELIGIBILITY TO HOLD THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT, BUT FIRST, SOME BACKGROUND; I WOULD ASK EACH OF YOU TO RECALL SOME INCIDENTS IN THE RECENT HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY, TO WIT(A) THE ASSASSINATION OF MARTIN LUTHER KING IN 1968- WHEN THIS EVENT OCCURED, MINORITIES IN THIS COUNTRY PRACTICALLY BURNED TO THE GROUND PARTS OF OUR MAJOR CITIES,(B) THE ARTHUR MCDUFFY INCIDENT WHEN A FLEEING MOTORCYCLIST WAS SHOT BY POLICE IN MIAMI-MINORITIES BURNED THE LIBERTY CITY AND OVERTOWN SECTIONS OF MIAMI TO THE GROUND ,(C) INCIDENTS SURROUNDING THE O J SIMPSON TRIAL, MORE DESTRUCTION,(D) THE RODNEY KING INCIDENT-MORE DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER INCIDENTS OF DEATH AND BURNING OF NEIGHBORHOODS-IT IS MY OPINION THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN, EVER, ONE WHIT OF JUSTIFICATION FOR ANY OF THESE EVENTS. THEY HAVE SIMPLY BEEN INDICATIVE OF THE SHORT FUSE ATTACHED TO THE POWDERKEGS LOCATED IN OUR CITIES. I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS(BOTH DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN, LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE, BLACK AND WHITE) SITTING IN VARIOUS POSITIONS OF POWER AND RESPONSIBILITY WHO REALIZE AND KNOW THAT OBAMA IS NOT A U.S. CITIZEN. GIVEN THAT ASSUMPTION, I BELIEVE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IF OBAMA WERE REMOVED FROM OFFICE (BECAUSE HE DOES NOT MEET THE MOST BASIC REQUIREMENT TO HOLD THE OFFICE)BY MEANS OF INVOKING THE CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE REGARDING CITIZENSHIP, THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULD BE AN UNPREDEDENTED UPHEAVAL IN THIS COUNTRY WITH THE CITIES (LARGE AND SMALL) BEING TORCHED, LIVES BEING LOST AND INCIDENCE OF UNPRECEDENTED CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE AND CRIMINALITY OCCURING WHICH WOULD RESULT IN A SPLIT IN THIS COUNTRY WHICH WOULD TAKE DECADES TO REPAIR. I DO NOT THINK HE IS A CITIZEN , BUT AS INDESCRIBABLY HORRIFIC A PRESIDENT HE IS AND WILL BE, I AM NOT CERTAIN THE PRICE OF REMOVING HIM FROM OFFICE IS ONE WORTH PAYING.
I see your point, but I believe most Americans would still want to know the truth.
If the truth points to Obama being a usurper and is subsequently removed from office, then those who choose to burn down their own neighborhoods and businesses can live in it. I would not want one cent of taxpayer money to be spent to recover from stupidity and lawlessness. Let the liberal Democrat mayors figure out how to restore the “Utopia” that existed in their city limits before their own citizens burned it down.
I think he has tried his best to create civil unrest. There are continuous efforts to divide us by race (whatever that is) but we stand as US citizens. The amnesty thing is yet another “try” to divide then they found out legal citizens didn’t want amnesty. lol
But, yes, we have been through civil unrest before and know it might happen again. So as a threat, it is meaningless unless he intends to institute martial law across the country. Then we will not have elections and the take over process will be complete.
He has promised an “October Surprise”.
Mickey, you have a good point. Since last December I have been of the belief and have had a growing fear that Martial Law would be imposed sometime prior to election day.
Rememeber, in December of last year, he signed 2 executive orders? They both set the stage for M.L.
1) He declared the H1N1 Virus as a National Emergency. (Martial Law can be imposed during any national emergency!!)
2) He signed an exec. order allowing INTERPOL to operate as a police force within the U.S. and not be answerable to any law enforcement agency or our Justice dept. They do not have to follow the U.S. Constitution. They cannot be held accountable for their actions by any legislative body in the U.S. They could, at will, enter your home; confiscate weapons; remove you to an “internment camp”; take away all of your civil rights.
What next?
Mickey;This web site has used racial remarks against Obama and so has other sites.( one person had said he is a half breed of a white whore)So who is trying to undo whom?Most Americans want a sense of fairness,not your division. I’m thinking the rightwing will come up with that October surprise!
eddie47d…. Yea and what is your point? Your “progressive” partner in crime(Flashman) has stated on this blog numerous times that anyone who would dare question his opinion is a “Terrorist”. So what is the difference? I would certainly agree with the half breed of a white whore before I would agree with the latter! I mean the facts are the facts buddy!
Again, you and your kind only see things through a prism or look at one side of the coin……PATHETIC!
Not like you do ….buddy
let me get this right, so because you are scared we should just look the other way and not say anything? i think that way of political correct thinking is what got us in this mess to begin with. think about this, in the past few years how many times have you heard someone say (or even yourself say) “they can’t do that”? well they can do that and are doing it right in front of our faces, the damage done by riots and fires will go away faster than what o-bla-bla is doing to our country now.
11Timothy 1:7 God did not give me the Spirit of fear, but that of Power and of Love and of a Sound Mind.
Hi, Craig Westfall (8/23/2010 2:02 AM). You have some legitimate concerns about the chaos that might result from any attempts to remove Obama from office as President of the U.S. (POTUS). You say that after much thought you’ve come to this conclusion: ‘I DO NOT THINK HE IS A CITIZEN , BUT … I AM NOT CERTAIN THE PRICE OF REMOVING HIM FROM OFFICE IS ONE WORTH PAYING.’
There’s one more thing you may not yet have considered. If Obama is Constitutionally ineligible to be President but is allowed to continue in office, it establishes a legal (and Constitutional) precedent for other ineligible persons (including foreign potentates) to become U.S. President. Even the Sultan of Yogyakarta in Indonesia could become the U.S. President (or whatever title the presidency would then assume).
This one ‘small’ spike driven into the heart of the Constitution would irreversibly nullify all the rest of it. If one part (especially the part about who can lead us) is ‘not worth the effort’ to defend it, how can the rest of the Constitution withstand efforts to destroy it? Anyone attacking the Constitution can, and will, point to the shattered presidential eligibility precedent as justification for tearing down the entire Constitution or any other single point within it.
President Obama was a Constitutional law professor. He would have known that.
By the way, here’s a bit of Indonesian history in a nutshell:
The ancient Mataram empire of Indonesia, continually plagued by court intrigues and rebellions, was split in a Dutch-negotiated settlement in the mid-18th century into two court cities, Yogyakarta (pronounced JOG-ja-KAR-ta, and also known as Yogya) and Surakarta (also known as Solo). (1)
Hamengkubuwana, the name of the line of sultans of Yogyakarta, means ‘He who controls the universe.’ Pakubuwana, the name of the line of Susuhanans (kings) of Surakarta, means ‘Axis of the universe.’ (2)
(1) Java, Indonesia, Periplus Adventure Guides (1997:Singapore), p. 145.
(2) Cephas, Yogyakarta: Photography in the service of the Sultan, KITLV Press (1999: Leiden, The Netherlands), p. 26.
My point is Obama’s physical, genealogical connection to Indonesia.
And speaking of driving a spike into the heart of the Constitution, an interesting spike sits on an Indonesian throne.
The historical court city of Yogyakarta is in the center, and is the focal point, of the island of Java in the island nation of Indonesia. The Sultan’s Palace, the Keraton, is at the heart of the city.
‘According to traditional cosmological beliefs, the Javanese ruler is literally the ‘navel’ or central ‘spike’ of the universe – anchoring the temporal world and communicating with the mystical realm of powerful deities. In this scheme of things, the Keraton is both the capital of the kingdom and the hub of the cosmos, bringing the two together through the application of certain elaborate design principles.
It houses not only the sultan and his family, but also the dynastic regalia (pusaka), private meditation and ceremonial chambers, a magnificent throne hall, several audience and performance pavilions, a mosque, an immense royal garden, stables, barracks, an armaments foundry and two expansive parade grounds planted with sacred banyan trees – all laid out in a carefully-conceived complex of walled compounds, narrow lanes and massive gateways, and bounded by a fortified outer wall measuring 2 km (1 1/2 mile) on every side.’ (1)
(1) Insight Guide Indonesia (APA Publications, part of the Langenscheidt Publishing Group, Singapore, 5th Edition 2001; ISBN 1-58573-372-5) [Indonesia title discontinued after 2001], pp. 142-143.
you sir could not of said it more clearly if it were possibly done,iam sitting here infront of my laptop horrified of the things that might happen as a reasult of obummer being in office,????/ thank you…..
A race war, fighting & killing between blacks & every other race, has been brewing at least since the early ’60′s, and it’s getting nearer & nearer. Should this scenario come to pass, look for the blue helmets of UN “peace-keepers” to patrol the streets of America. The UN has been reluctant to send troops to African &/or Muslim countries, but what do you want to bet they’ll try to overwhelm us with troops? If the Afghans think they’re hard to conquer, just wait until foreign troops invade OUR shores!
Good point, but this is the animal that has been breeding in America for decades now, and sooner or later we American’s will have to deal with this problem.
Problem, reaction, solution. Create a welfare system that promotes sick, immoral behavior. Have millions of children being brought up by mothers that are only interested in the dollar value of the child, and not the child. This gives Government the power to take over schools, create a massive, multi billion dollar prison system and empower themselves to where our Government is today.
The blacks are the new communist in America, taking over the throne of the non religious, false Jews( the false Jew is the communist Jew. One cannot be a Jew and a communist.). They are taking over Hollywood, media and news, and Americans are blind because they are to busy watching the view, sports, house wifes of orange county and all of these demented shows the communist promote.
You know the media is under thier control when a horrifying story like the Knoxville Horror, where a young white couple,21 and 20yrs old, were beaten, toutured, raped, mutilated and murdered over a four day span, By 5 to 7 blacks, and nothing is on the news about it! Yet on my way to work this morning i hear on the news about a white pizza delivery boy who wrote on a check that nig….dont tip! Now that is NEWS?
We have been taken over folks, and we wake up now, or lose this Country!
Yes, Obama is a false leader, placed into the Presidency by those who control. Conspiracy? You bet!
WND reported that upon investigation of documents for Obama and his mother, Stanley Ann Durham, or anyone of interest around Obama, always come up with the revelation that the documents do not exist, having been destroyed. Yet, this last weekend, Channel 4, in Oklahoma featured another episode within their series, “Who Do You Think You Are?” The original episode featuring Parker apparently aired March 5th, 2010. Sarah Jessica Parker traced her ancestors to northern California and to Salem, Massachusetts. Professional genealogists were able to find, not only legal documents, newspaper reports, but also handwritten notes, dating back to 1635. The evidence clearly portrayed that very little gets destroyed. Hence, for documents to go missing for Barack Hussein Obama and members of his family, only demonstrates a clear conspiracy against the American citizens. I’m positive, with a little more determination his history, his real story, can be uncovered more thoroughly. All who have been involved in the cover up ought to be exposed. There ought to be nothing short of a ruthless investigation. We cannot pretend all is well any longer, and go about exposing the shyster in a half-hearted manner.
Ivan, You are right in everything you are saying. There is however one great stumbeling block. All the people in Congress who should have the power to investigate and expose this fraud are WIMPS of the highest order. They are afraid of their own shadow and fear they may cause a RACE RIOT when he is exposed, OHHHHHHHHHHHH, I’m so scared. Hey, get over it, he is only half black, so the riots will only be half as bad. The only thing these bubble heads in Congress are capable of doing are making stupid laws to TAX us more. Just remember November 2nd is the day to “”TAKE OUT THE TRASH.”"
What type of Amweicans are you people?
You think people of color are takening of America, you are losing power. get use to it.
You allowed this to happen with you greed as all ways. Now you are having a peoblem.
Well it’s to late to take back what you created.
I beg to disagree with you Sheila. It is not too late to take back our country. All we have to do is get rid of the Obama Administration and YOU. It is people who think and talk like youdo,who are the ruination of our country. I suggest you crawl back under the rock you came our from.
here we go again, throw out the race card, WHO CARES what color o-bla-bla is? I don’t. it is what he is doing to this great country, try NOT listening to CNN for a while, listen to FOXnews Rush, Sean, Levin, Glen Beck for a CHANGE and I HOPE you will learn something.
OMG…STOP with the damn race card!!! Americans no longer, if ever, care about his damn skin color! Folks like you will never let it die down which is why race relations will ALWAYS be strained in this country. Our future, as AMERICANS…not black Americans, not white Americans, not brown, not yellow, not red…but as AMERICANS is in jeopardy now. I did not vote for Obama and God help me, I most certainly did not want John McCain, mainly because of his age and secondly because he represented a stagnant administration (Bush). I actually wanted Hillary but was wary of her because of her first failed attempt at universal health care. You see, Sheila, I am a white American. Believe it or not, I’ve never cared about skin color…just that the person had the qualifications for the job. I never believed Obama had them. And when the media began gushing over him and the mass hysteria about how wonderful he was started, my “BS alarm” went into overdrive. I’ve never believed that anyone who has the “Pied Piper” syndrome, like Obama, would be a good leader. This blind, adoring fawning made it and still makes it impossible to even debate his merits with his followers because as soon as you disagree with something, you are a racist! I HATE that I can’t discuss my concerns about Obama & his administration without being labeled a racist. I have been, nor ever will be a racist! I simply don’t believe that Obama is the person for the job and he is making it evident every single, horrific day!!
more people like you are needed in this discussion, you make it worth the time to listen and read what is said, so thank you and keep it up,signed nam vet.
Hey Jim! Thank you for your service to our country. I am so tired of being called a racist simply because I am white. I live in a primarily black part of town and encounter every day some low-level form of racism towards me by black residents…and I don’t even know why because I don’t even know their names!! The difference between me and some other white folk is that I just ignore what I see and hear because I look to my “Higher Power” for strength and perseverance. To me, I’m the better person because I choose to turn the other cheek. I just hope that I have enough cheek to turn.
I meant what I said in my post: I have never been and never will be a racist! I prefer to determine a person’s character only after I’ve talked with them, etc., rather than look at their skin color. And I know that not all Black Americans hate White Americans…but it always seems that the vocal minority are the ones that are heard and seen. (Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson) Honestly, I just don’t understand why human beings, of all races and ethnicities, can’t just get along??!!?? I am fascinated by different cultures but am stunned that other cultures don’t like me because I’m white & American. I just don’t get it and I probably never will!
It seems the fix was in by the progressives to stir up problems between the races since the 1920s to present… they want us at odds with each other. They are urging blacks to take to the streets and rebel even now.
Being called a racist is a horrible thing and it is all smoking mirrors from the left to take down their competition no matter if they have to cheat to do it.
I think people like A. Sharton, J. Jackson, J. Wright, L. Ferriahkahn have been teaching and feeding the Black Americans for years to HATE the white people and hate America. The progressives have told the Black people they are “victims.”
Actually, The first slave owner in America, named Anthony Johnson, was Black and he had an indentured servant who he didn’t want to lose. The servant went to court to get released after he had fairly served his time and the court freed him of any further obligation. But Anthony went back and pleaded his case to own this Black man and the gov/ court system reversed their decision and made it so.
God made us ALL… Our skin colors come from the dust of the earth that God made man from. As MLK said “we should judge a man by his character, and not by his skin color” and I agree with him.
Some people gain power & prestige in their own eyes by continually playing the race card. As in every other mystery, follow the money.
By Patrick J. Buchanan
Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America .. Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to. This time, the silent majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the black American community into the mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?
Barack talks about new ‘ladders of opportunity’ for blacks. Let him go to Altoona, Johnstown , and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for ‘deserving’ white kids ? Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for black Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is it really white America’s fault that illegitimacy in the black American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?
Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?
As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?
Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?
We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.
Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago. This needs to be passed around because, this is a message everyone needs to hear !
OK will you pass it on ?
YES. I did but will you?
Because I’m for a better America.
Honor our Veterans – it’s the right thing to do.
HALLELUJAH & AMEN BROTHER. YOUR DADDY MUST HAVE BEEN A CARPENTER ‘CAUSE YOU HIT THAT NAIL SQUARE ON THE HEAD!
Thank you soooooo much for this post! You said everything that has been rolling around in my head for quite some time now. I’ve been afraid to voice any of this because I would be labeled a racist & I am so far from being one.
Most of the crime is perpetrated on people of their own race. I live near Charlotte. I see it every day. White on white and black on black.
What??????
Did you not understand what I said? The majority of the crime I have seen here in northern SC and up into Charlotte is black on black and white on white. I watch the Charlotte News for at least a half hour each day, and that’s what’s going on.
Thank you so much, I just copied it to notepad…to send along on other discussion groups…so, yes…I will be passing it along.
bill in mn, good, truthful post.
The only thing I have to say on this matter is, everyone knows that we havean imposter setting in the White House and he is the puppet for a greater Socialist, Communist, Muslim demagog, and the longer he remains in that office, the more it proves that we have nothing but a big buch of wimps in congress who are affraid to do anything right. All they know how to act is the same way as th puppet setting in the chair. React to the IDIOT who is pulling the strings. If we citizens are to ever be rewarded with seeing the lot of them get IMPEACHED, it will be a day as great as the day we won our independence from Great Britan. I also back Marks comments 100 %.
more quailfied than bush
For a candidate to promise the most transparent administration in history, he certainly has shown the nation how to stonewall, lie, obfuscate, dodge and cover up any legitimate question about his citizenship. For the “little people” like us, if we had to prove we were American citizens for employment, it would take a simple copy of our birth certificate or show a passport. Would it be worth over $1 million to fight the request? Obama acts as if he’s giving away the launch codes to ICBMs rather than being asked to produce a $10 birth certificate. In his arrogance, I wonder why Obama wouldn’t take the opportunity to plunk down $10 to make all those people who doubt his citizenship look like a bunch of fools?
Something else to consider: “If Obama Sr., a Kenyan citizen, is Obama’s father, Obama is not a Constitutionally described natural-born citizen because one parent is a non-citizen and the other was a minor and therefore unable to bestow citizenship on the child — if Obama was born in Kenya, as many believe.” A natural born citizen has TWO parents which are American citizens. By his own admission, Obama says his father was a Kenyan subject which would make him a DUAL CITIZEN at best and would make him ineligible to be president.
Personally, I think Obama will be out of office for some time before the gospel truth ever comes out. In the mean time, we can all be sure the talking heads in the liberal MSM will do their utmost best to impugn detractors and faithfully hide the truth to the public.
If he was born in Hawaii, no matter who his mother was, he is a citizen even though Hawaii was not a state. It’s the same as Puerto Rico.
…. on August 21,(1959) President Dwight D. Eisenhower made it official, signing the proclamation that welcomed Hawaii as the 50th state of the union. Hawaii had been annexed to the United States in 1898 and became a territory two years later.
http://www.aloha-hawaii.com/hawaii/remembering+statehood/
I think that was before Obama is said to have been born.
Lets look at a little unpublicized information by the main stream media, THE ANALYSIS CORP. (TAC), A security company used by the federal government.
had a security breach in which the records of Obama were destroyed and and the man who was indited (Lt. Quarles Harris Jr.) was found murdered in his car, shot in the head. Pretty coincidental would you not say. Put that together with his SSN # being issued out of Connecticut and the fact he won’t release records and you start to have major doubt. So I believe the Birther’s are on to something here. as for the individual that quotes polls I certainly think that most polls are biased in part and really mean nothing. The President however can surly put an end to the confusion and division by simply, I say again simply providing access to records. A man of Integrity would do nothing less.
Why does Obama have 39 SS#?
Are you sure?? Have you seen it?
First of all, Obammy is NOT a black man, he is a mut, a heinz 57, a maluto, a muslim, a terrorist, a radical, egotistical imp, and perhaps what an earlier writter said, we need a national up roar, or an overthrow, or the next revolution war, we simply need something to get Obammy boy and his crooked czars out of office! If I were a black person i would consider it an affront to our race that Obammy calls himself black. If anything i’d call him poop, which is the same color of my waste that exits my anus!
Hey Patrick, Three cheers to you. I’m a retired Marine, and I back you completely. If I were still in the Corps, and he gave me a set of orders, I’d use them to wipe my back end with, then shove them in his face.
Semper Fi, Brother. I’m with you.
You three would make a royal disgusting flush.
Sealed records? Nonexistent records according to reports. I guess in Hawaii getting verification of birth is in this case just as easy as buying toilet paper at the grocery store.
I agree with the majority of the people, but my main concern is the spineless, backstabbing unless politicians in Washington who have no —– to do anything about it. My last visit to the Senators in Washington, it was like talking to a yes man and then when we left, they just thru their notes in the trash. They all are a piece of trash.
OneBigAssMistakeAmerica
If the state of Hawaii would allow all the “birthers” to parade thru their office to see the certified copy of Obama’s record, I would bet they would come out and say they had read or heard from somewhere else he was born in Kenya. The articles reads too many “if’s and but’s” that does not prove anything. Even in this article it proclaims a family friend Davis might be the father of Obama so is this proof Obama is an American citizen. The governor of Hawaii sealed the record because of so many requests for copies, how many copies does one need. The truth will set all the birthers free, until then they will always be tied up in lies and unproven facts.
What kind of “family friend” (of a different race) gets an underage girl pregnant? And then doesn’t man up to the responsibility. Sounds like the whole Dunham clan is trash.
If there were so many requests for copies send an aid out to Kinko’s.
So were are ANY of these copies?
No. They sealed the records cause they don’t have them.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=170957
I am not sure how we are at this point. This should have been vetted by our Justice department and others, makes me really wonder who is guarding the hen house! Like any requirements for any position, we are just to trust what people say with absolutely no backup or background checks; this is really dangerous and scary ground. For all you believers that for some reason do not need any verification, when you hire someone to care for your kids or someone within your business for an important position, just believe what they say do not ask for any verification from them, is this the new NORM!
Please have some semblance of commonsense!
We need free thinkers and term limits like never before.
The man who occupies our White House and is posing as the president of the United States, got lucky. He was at the right place at the right time. It was the American citizens who were extremely STUPID! Especially the young and the overly zealous Left Wingers,
who were so discusted with the Bush Administration (AND WITH GOOD REASON) did not carefully check this man out!!! OUR OWN GOVERNMENT DID NOT THOROUGHLY INTERIGATE HIS BACKGROUND! Most blacks, voted for a skin color ~ where as this man is no more black than he is white! In his every speech he said NOTHING SPECIFIC. Merely the word “change”. We have found in a short period of time this impostor’ s change has been nothing but lies. He has hood-winked the entire nation, he has quickly started turning America into a MARXIST STATE!
He has committed so many HIGH CRIMES AND MIDEMEANORS – he must be impeached=then JAILED!!!! Weust rid our Nation of this Person and go back to our greatest Nation in the Free World ~ with jobs, and freedom of the press, bring our troops home from a war that cannot be won with his leadership – we do not belong there, to close our borders and be safe from dangerous illegals-who unfairly get our needs met for free with our tax $, to have no gov. run H.C. to be overseen and run by the I.R.S. (GOOD LORD), to not let the gov. change OUR HISTORY in OUR schools, CITIZENS OF AMERICA, STAND UP! GET RID OF THE IMPOSTOR AND HIS TAKEOVER OF OUR AMERICA NOW!!!!
you ever see a herd of sheep running across the pasture towards a cliff? the first one there jumps off and all the others just keep following, it does not matter they are dieing, reminds me of the o-bla-bla supporters.
Maybe it’s the rightwingers who are driving this country off the cliff.
with a strong majority in the House and Senate and a person in the WH from the same party it seems unlikely that the right wing is driving.
Boehner seems to think so
There is one statement that keeps resounding in my head when I read,hear, see any statement from Mr. AND Mrs. O and that is during their Inaugarel Ball dancing to “At Last”…..their comment to each other, “We did it”.
We are experiencing what they meant.
WELL PEOPLE DONT YOU THINK IF OBAMA REALLY KNEW WHO HIS DADDY WAS, HE WOULD TELL US. HE IS STILL TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. THERE ARE SOME OF US, WHO HAVE DOUBTS AS TO THE TRUTH EVER COMING OUT. THATS WHY THOSE WHO GOT HIM ELECTED AND OBAMA HIMSELF, KEEP US IN THE DARK. THERE IS A COVERUP HERE, AND OBAMA NEEDS TO COME CLEAN, HE CANNOT CONTINUE TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY WITH THIS CLOUD HANGING OVER HIM. PERSONALLY I DONT BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS. AND I AM NOT ALONE. LETS GET THIS WHOLE THING OUT IN THE OPEN. BEFORE HE COMPLETELY RUINS THE COUNTRY.
Rdavis, when you get done branding the wormy muslim marix crossbred, ear notch both ears and put a brisket tag on him and a set of britches on him, as well as a band on him. Everyone know and should be able to spot the traitor, at a long distance. The posts of the blame Bush smucks, proved they all voted for the marxist muslim moron, and they have a problem being screwed, by the media and their socialist party. I notice Am Lib’s anal mircale birth siblings, are having a family gathering, and in a generation there will be double rowed teeth freaks in the National Socialist Democrat Union Party members, with the IQ of a flattened canadian thistle.
HFlashman either did not read the entire article or he is seriously logicaly challenged.
Every American needs to see the movie “The Obama Deception” you can check it out at any public library. It is bi-partisan! Check it out!
Why in the hell doesn’t some act on this matter instead of talking about it. There should be enought to impeaach him. At least they should have him show proof of him being an American.
Why was no mention made of the proven fact that Obama enrolled at 18 yrs in the Occidental(SP) College in California on a scholarship. This college only gave scholarships to foreign students. He entered with a Indonesian passport. Check Judical Watch for proof of this fact.
I am an African American. You don’t hear any other nationalities saying that we believe our Black President is not American, except the ultra conservative whites of the GOP party. If only you all knew how you looked and sounded to the World.
Every diverse group in American has been attacked for one reason or another by the conservatives right wing.
We African Americans know better, it is a MADE UP LIE, OBAMA is American. Say what you want, come Nov we will be out in full force to vote, bringing our young, old and sick. I cannot speak for the other nationalities but I think they will be right beside us, because they have been attacked and lied on too. The Lord has his arms around Obama, this is why we don’t worry about him.
You know Jeannetta, it’s folks like you that keep on stirring the race pot!! I am white…BUT I AM NOT A RACIST!! And, I am SICK of people like you telling me that I am!!! My God, I am soooooo sick of not being able to discuss, like an adult, what my feelings are on Obama. I don’t care an iota about his skin color, only that he is leading America in the right direction which clearly, he is not. And by the way, how can the Lord have his arms around Obama…he isn’t christian…remember??? Plus, you seem to be so sure that he is an American citizen. Did the Lord give you proof of this too? Also, you aren’t African-American, a term applied to be politically correct. You are an American because I’d be willing to bet that you’ve never set foot in Africa!!
It is what it is, so stop trying to spin this as someone calling you racist.
African Americans know the truth and what the conservative right wing is saying is a MADE UP LIE. Over 95% of us Blacks support Obama, because we know our own and he is just as American as you and I.
Truly for those who say that he is not American, you really don’t hear how you sound. It makes you look desperate, out of touch and silly.
Jeanette if you’d stop drinking the kool-aid you would have noticed we here are Americans you on the other hand are truly what you say AFRICAN-american. And this is a distinction you yourself make. So yes you are playing a long worn race card.
Stop trying to spin it like I’m a racist??? Well Jeanetta, you were the one spinning it, not me.
African Americans know the truth…What flippin’ truth??? You sound like you know Obama personally the way you defend him. Or are you merely defending a skin color? Either way, you are not someone that allows others to have a question or an opinion about President Obama, especially if it’s negative because you immediately jump to the race card. Personally, I don’t care about the damn birth certificate. I’m more concerned with the blatant disregard for the vast majority of Americans’, regardless of race, want in this country. Instead we are lectured to and scolded by Pres. Obama. Never more did I hear the scolding tone than when he made his comments about the mosque in NY.
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August 23, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Here we go again silly talk. I choose to not par take in.
Listen up everyone who thinks Obama is a Muslim, which he is not, he has the Black vote and the way it is looking he will have other nationalities voting for him and his party as well. So when you attack one group of people we are all taking notes and binding together with other Caucasians that support him, and want a better life.
Stick to the issues, you will be a lot better off. So why you sit wasting time being confused, spreading lies we all will be voting to keep him in office, working our way towards a better life, which was taken from us when the GOP had the Whitehouse. Now the truth will set you free.
You have a diverse US now, so deal with it. We are like
Who’s talking like a racist now Jeannetta? All you talk about is the “Black vote” & other nationalities voting for him, etc. But I do like the way you tossed in “…with other Caucasians…” just to ensure that you don’t sound racist. Again, all most people are doing here is venting, asking questions that they are entitled to ask, and basically trying to make sense of all this happening, especially what is happening to our country. I admit there are some on here that are just downright mean and their posts aren’t worth reading. Your posts are nothing more than “Isn’t Obama wonderful?” and “those who don’t agree with me about Obama are racists. Same old crap!
As for a diverse USA…wow, what a revelation you made!!! Geez, it’s been a diverse USA for years and I don’t think any American has a problem with that. Oh by the way,how the hell do YOU know for a fact that Obama isn’t a Muslim??? As for the “better life”…just wait until all the taxes go into effect after Obama’s spending spree and health care. When the Gov’t goes after a huge chunk of your paycheck, you’ll be crying the blues then unless you’re one of the ones that Obama plans to help with MY tax money!!!
You will NEVER see it but your words alone scream of racism!
Shibamom, very well said and 100% correct. Best to ignore the race baiting libs, that’s the best they can do.
Facts, polls show Blacks voted for Obama just because he was Black by 98% of Black voters.
Shibamon; Don’t throw yourself to the loonies of the right and their birther and Muslim conquer and divide theories. Obama is certainly a Christian at this time and unless you can prove differently then God just might put his arms around him. God could also leave you out in the cold for slandering this man. There are many on this sight who think they are going to heaven and it probably will not happen.
eddie47d…… Obama believes in “Collective Salvation” so why don’t you explain to us fellow Christians, just how that works, being that you are a Christian.
African or American, which is it? If you choose African, please go home.
Here we go again silly talk. I choose to not par take in.
Listen up everyone who thinks Obama is a Muslim, which he is not, he has the Black vote and the way it is looking he will have other nationalities voting for him and his party as well. So when you attack one group of people we are all taking notes and binding together with other Caucasians that support him, and want a better life.
Stick to the issues, you will be a lot better off. So why you sit wasting time being confused, spreading lies we all will be voting to keep him in office, working our way towards a better life, which was taken from us when the GOP had the Whitehouse. Now the truth will set you free.
You have a diverse US now, so deal with it. We are like Canada.
you would not know the truth if it beat you in the rear,since you choose to use the whight card,i thaink its time that we quit given you all that you have been given,africa are america, still no answer.
thank you for telling her to make up her mind,but she has to have one first.
Yep, you’ll be bringing the ACORN-registered voters too young to vote, ineligible felon voters, out-of-state voters, graveyard voters, and mickey mouse multiple voters to illegally re-instate this fraud into office.
Cameron
Unlike Bush, Obama won by an impressive majority. Neocons just can’t get over it. So now they lie, slander, and come up with some of the dumbest BS imaginable. The rich sheepherders are scared to death of more taxes and the sheep go Baa Baa all the way home.
Jeannetta, hate to break it to you but you’ve swallowed the magic Democrat pill.
The Racist History of the Democratic Party
http://www.dare2sayit.com/racist_history_of_the_democratic.htm
I think this is a plan long in the making coming to a culmination. Islam plans to take over America and they have patiently and diligently planned their route. That is why there is so much cover up. The questions we have were all thought out in “think tanks” years ago and have started being acted on. Beware America this is no over the weekend thought up plot.
I prob will not be here to see it but I pray for my children, grands, and everybody who will be around.
This is in response to Dee.
A Birth Certificate, and Certificate of birth are not the same thing, and of coarse no one gets the origonal of either. A birth certificate is certifiable, a certificate of birth is usually issued when there is question of nationality and is not certified. If you are born on an airplane between the US and Ireland, no matter what nationality your parents, you get a certificate of birth, and it is never certified. You can’t even get a marriage lisence, pass port, drivers lisence with it. People who have these have lifelong problems doing any of these things. I once went with a friend who was trying to get married who had one. They couldn’t find a justice of the peace who would marry them. This was manyyyy years ago, but an example of how ridiculous it is, to have a POTUS that did not produce a real Birth Certificate. Your not even supposed to get a voters registration card without a real birht certificate or naturalization papers. Of coarse everyone knows that went by the way side in the last election. What was published in Hawaii was a copy of an uncertified Certificate of Birth. Just by his father’s nationality he is not a natural born citizen.
I don’t know who is being polled in all these polls. I know lots of people, only 1 person believes he’s a natural born citizen, or is Christian. He has proven that blacks are more much more radically racial than whites now are, but the very nature of the message delivered in the Church he belonged to, whose pastor had close affiliations with Louis Farrakhan who has close ties to the Black Panthers, not to mention the ties to Islam of all the above. I was a registered Democrat all my life, but this has foreverrrrr changed me. I cannot be affiliated, with a party that leaves the majority Americans in the dust to cater to every minority on the face of the earth. For the first time in my adult life I’m not proud to be an American. I want our country to be what the For Fathers intended it to be. One Nation Under God, with Liberty and Justice for All…not just some who want to be taken care of by those of us who have gotten off our butts and worked hard for what have. No redistribution of wealth and no Government Control of our Health! The only thing that can save our Country is bringing Manufactoring back. That would mean doing without alot of Chinese everything to get the message accross we want made in the USA. Taxing the hell out of business’s will do anything but ecncourage manufactoring to return. For the first time in my life, I see the end of our great nation racing toward us. Bush was a lousy President, but what we have now…well he needed to have a real job, or have been in the military, or done something other than community organise. He’s supposed to represent all the people, not just the unpriviledged. He’d make a great Robin Hood…but POTUS???? I’m not seeing how!
What Bothers me about Out FAKE President who is in Power now is that his background was never investigated before he was elected. I am a retired Airfoece Senior Master Sergent with 35 Years Active And reserve. When I joined the A.F. in 1955 and after Basic, I was required to get a Secret Clearance with an ib depth bacground investigation. During this investigation, two investigators scared the Hell out of my mom when they knocked on the door. Everything in my past was exposed. Later in my career I was again investigated for a Top Secret Clearance with the same or similar background Investigation. I was entering into the Titan II progeam with the Stregic Aerospace Command as a Guidance Tecnician. I was in this program for six Years. In case you might wonder about my rambling background, it’s because here we have a Fake President, One whose background has never been exposed, elected to the highest position in our nation and in control of all our Nationional elected by a bunch of Idiots who are and were a product of the Free Wheeling , Don’t Give-A-Damn 1960′s. These along with our other “Elected” officials from this same time period are RUINING our once great nation. GFod has turned his back on us, I’m afraid. Oh, I forgot, It’s not god who is in charge of the U.S. now, It’s ALLAH! Allah Ackbar!
July 28, 2009
AP) State officials in Hawaii on Monday said they have once again checked and confirmed that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen, and therefore meets a key constitutional requirement for being president.
Glenn Beck and fellow Fox TV host Bill O’Reilly – have taken the position that the birther issue is, in O’Reilly’s words, “bogus.” Both Beck and O’Reilly cite the contemporaneous appearance of birth announcements in two Honolulu newspapers as prima facie evidence Obama was born in Hawaii and “birthers” are conspiracy nuts.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/12/05/birth_certificate/
To: THINK ABOUT, I’m amazed by people like you who have the ability to tell what is factual and what is not factual — right off the top of your head (a great many liberal Democrats have this ability, but no conservative Republicans, that I know of, have it! The rest of us mere mortals have to muddle through life doing research and asking questions and connecting the dots in order to come up with an answers that are factural and make sense to those who are concerned about such matters.
Dale Hogue authored the book “Email Connectors and Mr. Hogue’s Wisdom”
I believe that the “pied piper” should have to prove his eligibility to be in the office he holds. OR SHOULD WE SAY THAT SAUDI ARABIA holds?
THE $$$$$$$ the saudis have placed into this scam is why they aren’t doing anything about it. other than talk. he and the bitch should be deported back to the desert of Iraq, or what ever hell hole he came from. Our own military doesn’t have any use for him , he should have to prove his citizenship , the Democrat party should also be held liable for his being in there, should have checked him out , his history with a fine tooth comb. THEN they SHOULD all be locked up.
I love the left-wingnuts out there that say that the birth certificate issue is resolved. That’s because they’re scared to death that it’s not and when Obummer is found out to be a fraud, their President of the World will come crashing down in disgrace. Several months ago, a senior elections official in Hawaii declared that there is NO OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE OF OBAMA THAT EXISTS IN HAWAII.
The fact that Obama and his lapdogs are trying to pass off a Certificate Of Live Birth as his birth certificate is hilarious. I have my certified copy of my original birth certificate, and it doesn’t look anything like the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) that Obama and his lapdogs are passing off as a certified copy of his original birth certificate. In fact, the COLB document that Obama is passing off to try and fool the public was done on a desktop computer. THERE WERE NO COMPUTERS IN 1961 YOU LEFT-WING DOLTS!!!!!!!
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Let’s see, born in Kenya(as witnessed by several), adopted in Indonesia(documented), never renounced his Indonesian citizenship(documented), changed his name from Barry Soetoro to Barak Hussein Obama(documented), an American hating muslim(look what he’s doing), and he’s our president HOW??? BECAUSE TOO MANY VOTERS DIDN’T RESEARCH HIM BEFORE THEY VOTED. Why did he spend a few million of OUR tax dollars having his records SEALED from public scrutiny if he has nothing to hide??? The bunch of Bush haters did a knee-jerk vote in 2008 and now most of them are complaining about the man THEY voted into office. STOP COMPLAINING!!! Push YOUR representatives to impeach this constitutionally ineligible TRAITOR!!! The 2010 midterms are coming very soon. RESEARCH YOUR CANDIDATES OR DO NOT VOTE!!! I do my research mid october…the internet makes it fast and easy.
The “Certification of Live Birth,” in lieu of the actual Birth Certificate, that was issued by Hawaii, was because no actual Hawaiian certificate exists. If one did exist, it would have been copied and brought forth for all to see. If one needs to prove his citizenship, and has documented evidence of it, there is no reason for not producing it.
In the September 21 & 28, 2009 issue of the American Free Press, on pages 16-17, there an article on this subject and a copy of Obama’s Kenyan “CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH” at the “Coast Province General Hospital” there, and that his date of birth was “on the 4th day of
August, 1961.” It states Obama’s father is “Barack Hussein Obama” born in “1936.” In the lower left corner is a footprint of Obama’s right foot. The certificate was signed by two officials, there, on 8/8/1961 and 8-7-1961 respectively.
Also, next to the birth certificate photo, is a copy of the first page of one Lucas Daniel Smith’s lawsuit he filed in the United States District Court of the Central District of California, by his attorney, Dr. Orly Taitz, which introduced Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate into evidence. On that page, Mr. Smith documented how he went to Kenya and had to bribe an official there to look the other way while he printed a copy of it.
There are more serious matters to be concerned with than Obama’s place of birth, which I believe very well could be Kenya. I received a 28 page questionaire from the Dept. of Commerce/Census Bureau with prying questions called The American Community Survey. I did not fill it out, even though it stated it was required by law. They sent another one and subsequently have called me on no less than 20 occasions. I told them that I was claiming my rights under the Fourth Amendment ( Equal Protection Clause) to refuse to do so as they did not send one to everybody. The said there were 250,000 mailed out. I wonder when I will get a knock at the door. These were very detailed questions. If you would like to see a copy I can fax or e-mail (when I learn how to download to my computer.) themaesto@att.net
tell them you are going to invoke your second amendment rights.
Even the staunchest advocates of this man (Obama) have to realize that multiple problems of legitimacy are extant with him. Is a political viewpoint this important that they continue to prostitute themselves to the cause? Evidently so!
This is really a non-issue started by Republicans who are sore about losing the election and to be fair, if McCain had been elected, Democrats would do the same thing by claiming that since he was born in Panama, he isn’t a naturall born citizen either. It’s just a political distraction. Even if Obama had been born outside, the United States, he would still be a natural born citizen since his mother was a US citizen when he was born. I know. My son was born in Indonesia and his consular birth record says very clearly that he is a US citizen from birth, i.e. natural born. If you don’t like what Obama is doing as president, then say so and don’t vote for him in the next election. This whole citizenship thing is really grasping at straws.
Correct!
First, the Mother has to be older than 18 and have lived in the US for five years before birth. Obama’s Mother wasn’t.McCain was vetted before he ran as he was born on a Military base whice is US land, the Inspector General ok it.
Obama’s mother was born in 1942 which would make her at least 18 and turning 19 in 1961 and yes she was in the US for at least five years before Obama was born. As I said, grasping at straws
NOT! If he was enrolled in Indonesian schools as an Indonesian Muslim, then he is an Indonesian unless he renounced his Indonesian citizenship on his eighteenth birthday. The US does not recognize dual citizenship after that age.
Actually, the US does recognize dual nationality at any age.
Kevin, This issue was NOT started by Republicans sore about loosing. It was started by democrats for whatever reason BEFORE the election.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Berg_v._Obama
Now that you mention it, wasn’t it started by Hillary Clinton? It’s still a non-issue regardless of who started it. It still looks to me like conservatives are acting like sore losers though since they keep talking about it. As I said, to be fair, if McCain had won, deomcrats would be saying the same thing about him since he was born in Panama.
Everything Obama does is based on lies. I can’t understand why his
records continue to be hidden by him unless he is covering up something he doesn’t want the people of the US to discover. Maintaining concealment only means one thing. Why does this great country have a man in the WH with such secrets? Transparency, what
a joke!
A certificate of live birth is a birth certificate and is proof of US citizenship. If not, then why was I able to use mine to get a passport and my kids’ to get their passports?
Kevin, being a natural born citizen is a constitutional requirement for one to be the president. Acquiring passports is not so-governed by the U.S. Constitution. If it’s OK to trash one part of the constitution, is it OK to trash it all?
Obtaining a passport requires proof of citizenship and a certificate of live birth can be used for that purpose. As I said, I was able to obtain passports for myself and my kids with our certificates of live birth. Again, a certificate of live birth IS a birth certificate and can be used prove natural born citizenship.
Kevin, A certificate of live birth is a birth certificate. Obama introduced a “Certification of Live Birth” which is not a birth certificate, it merely indicates that a real certificate of birth is on file there. If true, why not just show us?
then what is the purpose of having a certificate of live birth, especially since it IS proof of citizenship as demonstrated by my ability to obtain a passport with mine?
Kevin says:
“then what is the purpose of having a certificate of live birth, especially since it IS proof of citizenship as demonstrated by my ability to obtain a passport with mine?”
That is precisely why we want Mr Obama to show us the original or a certified copy of HIS certifiCATE of live birth. Many of us have already seen his certificatION of live birth which is not the same.
His certification of live birth has a certificate number. It’s a birth certificate. Grasping at straws again?
Kevin says:
“His certification of live birth has a certificate number. It’s a birth certificate. Grasping at straws again?”
I don’t think we are the ones grasping at straws there kevin.
CertificatION of live birth != CertifiCATE of live birth.
http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/BirthCerts/Archive/Birth_Certificate.htm
On Obama’s Certification of Live Birth, the Certificate No. is blacked out.
I’m baffled why people are not interested in following our Constitution. Obama acts more and more like a Muslim every day- rigid attitudes, unable to compromise, obfuscate rather than grapple with tough issues, demonize opponents, and lie if it suits his purposes.
Have you read the consistution? Maybe you missed the part that says that there can be no religious test for someone holding public office. If Obama is a Muslim I have no problem with it except that he should say so if he is and not pretend to be a Christian. By the way, lying to suite one’s purpose is something that all politicians do. That’s why politics is always such a sleazy game.
I must have missed that Article, Section, & Clause. The Constitution specifically says what the requirements are to be eligible to be President, Senator, & Representative, but absolutely no mention is made that a candidate must or must not be any faith or non-faith. I do believe our Founding Fathers expected all applicants for public office to be Christian, as they stated that our government was wholly suited to God-fearing men & wholly unsuited for all others.
Check in article 6
He will reveal himself when his mosque is built!
There are so many problems with this article that it is hard to know where to begin. I will just mention a couple. 1. The poll I accessed indicate 27% have doubts about his birthplace. Which poll are you referring to? One which selected only an predominately conservative pool?
2. You mention that Obama’s mother left within days after his birth to attend classes at the University of Washington and at the same time, as supposed proof of their non-residence in Hawaii, that neighbors don’t remember a white woman with a black baby living next door. Wow, how suprising. Who were these neighbor, how old are they, how many time were they actually in the Obama residence, etc.
3. Since Dunham went to Seattle to attend classes at the University of Washington August 19th after Obama’s birth August 4th have you considered the travel time from Kenya to Seattle, Washigton and are there travel documents which can be produced? Are there Kenya hospital and/or birth recors other than the obviously forged B/C which has made the rounds on the internet?
4. No eplanation of why someone went to the trouble of submitting false information to Hawaii newspapers re: Obama’s birth. Were they planning he would run for office some day?
5. The allegation that Obama’s natural father may have been a “radical communist” Frank Davis is of course irrelvant to the birthplace issue and is an obvious attempt to inject a little more predjudice into the article. If it was the case and Davis was a US citizen then it negates your whole non-citizenship argument for Obama.
6. The memories of which of 2 possible hospitals Obama was was born in 50 years ago is proof only of the fragility of the mind. We do note however, that you are more than willing to accpet the memories of persons claiming a Kenya birth without question.
There is too much to contine. Why don’t we confront reality. You don’t like Obama and you are looking for whatever you can dredge up and embellish to malign him. How much effort did you put into invesitgating the Bush lost months when he was supposed to be in a guard unit and no one remembers? Why don’t you focus your energies on some thing more productive that actually may contribute to the welfare of the nation instead of this waste of rhetoric?
your why should also apply to the hiding of all documents relating to obama.
His birth certificate and newpaper announcements of his birth were made available and have been shown on the internet. Look for your self. It is only an issue because some true non-believers make it one for their own purposes such as conservative ideology, racial prejudice, religious bigotry, regional alienation, etc. Since conservatives current mantra is to follow the constitution, I agree we should do just that. A person born in this country is a natural born citizen and is eligible to serve as president according to numerous legal determinations including the 14th ammendment. African or supposed commmunist father or temporary residence in a foreign country or suspicion of incorrect religious adherance are irrelevant. Re: non-accessibility of his birth certificate by the general public that is of course, because the State of Hawaii, has confidentiality rules and doesn’t release copies to all comers. Copies are obtainable by select family members. Sometimes these restriction may seem aribtrary but that is no reason to consider them part of a cover-up. For example, I cannot obtain copies of my long absent fathers military records because he hasn’t given me permission. Since the odds are he is dead by now I probably will never access them. Irritating perhaps but not a conspiracy.
Please do provide a link to his certifiCATE of live birth. Many of us have seen a certificaTION of live birth on the net but that is not the same thing.
William L. It’s a constitutional requirement: “No Person except a natural born Citizen…of the United States…shall be eligible to the Office of President” (Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 5). It doesn’t matter how many people think this or that. We are either a nation of laws or we aren’t.
Your point being what? There is no real evidence Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States. If you don’t like Obama have the integrity to at least attermpt reasoned arguments about his policies. This birther stuff is just diversion.
what would you consider “real” evidence? Here is a list of a lot of evidence to support the concern that he may not meet the qualifications.
http://www.wnd.com/eligibility
All he has to do is show a copy of the certified long form certifiCATE of live birth. That’s all he has to do to disrupt the entire birther movement.
Yes the copy will be carefully inspected for forgery but it will kill most of the movement just by it’s existance
So why is he spending so much of someones money (Ours I think) to hide it?
William, There is real evidence that Obama is not a citizen of the United States. There is in existence a Kenyan certificate of birth for Obama which Mr. Lucas Daniel Smith personally copied, after bribing a security officer to look the other way while he did it. A copy of that certificate was introduced in a lawsuit in California.
A determination of Mr. Obama’s eligibility is the most important ever raised in the history of this country. We either have a constitution or we do not. We either have a president with total loyalty to the nation or we do not. In the event we do not, who are the fools?
In the former instance it would be those who believe we are governed in accordance with the Founding document. In the latter they represent an element within the system that must be eradicated through constitutional means.
Those disparaging the efforts to resolve this issue are either do not accept the constitution or wish it did not exist.
As to those who claim conservative beliefs, Coulter and the like, they will be permanently shunned for the lack any semblance of creditability.
civil unrest will come about because of the economy, and the soon to be useless dollar. Political differences, color diferences, and all other differences will become a thing of the past. Just remember WHEN MARTIAL LAW is declared, (and it will be) all our constitutional rights become null and void for the duration. The big hold up is GUN REFORM. They don’t want us to have them. So far they have reduced the number of bullets you can purchase, and have gone so far as to reduce the life span of bullets. There is simply not enough of us with guns to protect ourselves from them. Unfortunately voting them out and putting others (of the same) in will not help us. We will be on our own. Just prior to the financial mess I wrote my children and grandchildren to reduce their debt told tham that cash was king and buy a gun. I’m 71 years old with a gun that I will use.
there are over 12 million of you.
Among the causes of deep resentment being held against Obama
by many conservative, freedom-loving Americans:
*Failed fiscal policies, including multiple stimuli,
bail-outs, TARPs and takeovers
*High unemployment that continues unabated
*Wealth redistribution and regressive tax polices
*Massive government expansion
*Out-of-control spending
*Shadow government of unvetted czars
*Subverting of our Constitution
*Slavish catering to radical special interest groups
*Disastrous foreign policy weakening America’s
worldwide position and status
*Undermining core values of American culture
*Destabilizing of our military
*Liberalizing of our courts
*Ineffective immigration policy
*Condescending Leftist elitism
Many Americans now believe that Barack Obama’s elitist
philosophies have left him sorely out of touch with
grassroots citizens. Americans have lost faith in his
ability to make decisions that are good for America. In
essence, we no longer have confidence in his leadership
or ability to effectively serve as President of The United
States of America.
++”Vote of No Confidence” campaign gets underway.
I read a report that said the guy messing with state dept. records accessing the Presidential candidate records recieved only a light reprimand and easily could have altered, destroyed or substituted information. In the end I expect a lot of hand wringing, disavowing of knowledge and other declarations by democrat leaders that they were all fooled and had no idea, and then just switch Biden, Dean or Clinton in his place and carry on the same policies anyways. Obama is just a figurehead that got elected by playing the race card. But the pendulum had to swing this far left to wake people up about the realities of socialism and left wing agenda, the hope is we will survive long enough to change back to Reagan’s America.
You nutty “birthers” really need to grow up and start behaving like good American Citizens…right now you are in “mob mentality” and if you continue in this perferted, distructive, and I will add, totally ignorant and backward thinking, every true American will see that you have “went around the bend”…all of you are an embarrassment in the eyes of patriotic Americans that care about this country and don’t want it devided and destroyed by a bunch of whacko right wing nuts!
true Americans ? I think you’re referring to a herd of mindless sheep. I’d love to hear what you’re definition of a true American is.
I am so glad you asked…a true American respects and loves their country enough that they refuse to devide its people and tear down the very fabric from which it was made of…elections by the citizens, all citizens to be treated equal. This issue is getting out of hand…it will eventually turn into mob violence if people with clear heads and hearts don’t step up and say something. If the American people decide this President isn’t doing what they want, he will be voted out when it is time to have an election again. I happen to believe that he is most of the time doing what is right for this country. You may disagree, but that doesn’t give anyone the right to encourage mob rule and utter hatred for the President of The United States. I realize times are difficult right now but in my opinion they would have been worse had he not been the one to step up and try to change things. Give the man a chance for pete’s sake..IMO he is doing a good job and trying to make things better for the citizens. I am so sad for the people that only watch the Fox News(?) for their information…total propaganda. They are destroying the very fabric of this country and the ignorant ones are listening.
The short definition of “democracy” is MOB RULE. That’s why this country is a REPUBLIC. Yes, come Nov 2012 he will most definitely be voted OUT on his a$$. The shame of it is he will draw a “retirement” check for the rest of his life, along with Secret Service protection. I’m (mostly) white & I don’t give a damn what color a person is, it’s what they do that counts. Mr Obama is destroying this country, & that’s all that matters to me.
ciniowa: I get it now. As true Americans we should just stand in a big circle, hold hands, and sing Kum By Ya as some piss-ant dictator destroys our country. Despite the 16 yrs. I served in the military, I guess I’m not a “Real” American.
If you think Obama is doing a “good job, you have taken leave of your senses, assuming you had them. This man has broken NEARLY EVERY PROMISE/PLEDGE he made on the campaign trail.
It is very obvious from the statements you make that you are a bleeding heart liberal and an unquestioning sycophant who prefers blinders to facing reality. I am a Vietnam era vet and at the age of 66 have a little measure of common sense. This guy is pretty much what most of the detractors say he is. BTW I couldn’t care less what color he is. I admire men like retired Col. West or Lloyd Marcus both of whom happen to be Tea Party people and they are BLACK!
I am soooooooooooooo very tired of this race issue. It is a crutch argument because you can’t produce a rational, thought out, non-emotional response to more coherent ones. In case you LIBS haven’t noticed, you are in a distinct MINORITY here………..
ciniowa writes:
“…all citizens to be treated equal. ”
I like that. Does that mean I don’t have to show MY birth certificate anymore?
I continue to be amazed with ppl. who think like you. Obama stated if one wishes to know who he is then look at those he gravitated toward’s. His closest confidant’s were black racist’s who were quick to ‘damn America. and ‘kill white cracker babies’. He is best friend’s with an unrepentant terrorist who used violence against american’s and wished he could have done more and who openingly stated how he and group lied..defrauded and created mayhem.Obama stated that if the political wind’s turn ugly..he will stand with the muslim’s..NOT with the american ppl. or his party.etc.It’s frightening that there are ignorant ppl. like you. I have read most of the post’s in here and i have never been prouder of these american people..they are the heart of america..and one can strongly sense their patrioism..their love for their country and for their fellow american. In essense they are DECENT..LAW ABIDING.AMAZING MEN AND WOMEN in here. With ppl. like this we will pull together as a country..prevail against all the ugliest and corruption. I love all of you..you are all so precious!
President Obama has engaged in numerous high crimes and misdemeanors. The Democratic majority in Congress is in peril as Americans reject his agenda. Yet more must be done: Mr. Obama should be impeached.
He is slowly – piece by painful piece – erecting a socialist dictatorship. We are not there – yet. But he is putting America on that dangerous path. He is undermining our constitutional system of checks and balances; subverting democratic procedures and the rule of law; presiding over a corrupt, gangster regime; and assaulting the very pillars of traditional capitalism. Like Venezuela’s leftist strongman, Hugo Chavez, Mr. Obama is bent on imposing a revolution from above – one that is polarizing America along racial, political and ideological lines. Mr. Obama is the most divisive president since Richard Nixon. His policies are Balkanizing the country. It’s time for him to go.
He has abused his office and violated his oath to uphold the Constitution. His health care overhaul was rammed through Congress. It was – and remains – opposed by a majority of the people. It could only be passed through bribery and political intimidation. The Louisiana Purchase, the Cornhusker Kickback, the $5 billion Medicaid set-aside for Florida Sen. Bill Nelson – taxpayer money was used as a virtual slush fund to buy swing votes. Moreover, the law is blatantly unconstitutional: The federal government does not have the right to coerce every citizen to purchase a good or service. This is not in the Constitution, and it represents an unprecedented expansion of power.
Yet Obamacare’s most pernicious aspect is its federal funding of abortion. Pro-lifers are now compelled to have their tax dollars used to subsidize insurance plans that allow for the murder of unborn children. This is more than state-sanctioned infanticide. It violates the conscience rights of religious citizens. Traditionalists – evangelicals, Catholics, Baptists, Muslims, Orthodox Jews – have been made complicit in an abomination that goes against their deepest religious values. As the law is implemented (as in Pennsylvania) the consequences of the abortion provisions will become increasingly apparent. The result will be a cultural civil war. Pro-lifers will become deeply alienated from society; among many, a secession of the heart is taking place.
Mr. Obama is waging a frontal assault on property rights. The BP oil spill is a case in point. BP clearly is responsible for the spill and its massive economic and environmental damage to the Gulf. There is a legal process for claims to be adjudicated, but Mr. Obama has behaved more like Mr. Chavez or Russia’s Vladimir Putin: He has bullied BP into setting up a $20 billion compensation fund administered by an Obama appointee. In other words, the assets of a private company are to be raided to serve a political agenda. Billions will be dispensed arbitrarily in compensation to oil-spill victims – much of it to Democratic constituents. This is cronyism and creeping authoritarianism.
Mr. Obama’s multicultural socialism seeks to eradicate traditional America. He has created a command-and-control health care system. He has essentially nationalized the big banks, the financial sector, the automakers and the student loan industry. He next wants to pass “cap-and-trade,” which would bring industry and manufacturing under the heel of big government. The state is intervening in every aspect of American life – beyond its constitutionally delegated bounds. Under Mr. Obama, the Constitution has become a meaningless scrap of paper.
To provide the shock troops for his socialist takeover, Mr. Obama calls for “comprehensive immigration reform” – granting amnesty to 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens. This would forge a permanent Democratic electoral majority. It would sound the death knell for our national sovereignty. Amnesty rewards lawlessness and criminal behavior; it signifies the surrender of our porous southern border to a massive illegal invasion. It means the death of American nationhood. We will no longer be a country, but the colony of a global socialist empire.
Rather than defending our homeland, Mr. Obama’s Justice Department has sued Arizona for its immigration law. He is siding with criminals against his fellow Americans. His actions desecrate his constitutional oath to protect U.S. citizens from enemies foreign and domestic. He is thus encouraging more illegal immigration as Washington refuses to protect our borders. Mr. Obama’s decision on this case is treasonous.
As president, he is supposed to respect the rule of law. Instead, his administration has dropped charges of voter intimidation against members of the New Black Panther Party. This was done even though their menacing behavior was caught on tape: men in military garb brandishing clubs and threatening whites at a polling site. A Justice Department lawyer intimately involved in the case, J. Christian Adams, resigned in protest. Mr. Adams says that under Mr. Obama, there is a new policy: Cases involving black defendants and white victims – no matter how much they cry for justice – are not to be prosecuted. This is more than institutionalized racism. It is an abrogation of civil rights laws. The Justice Department’s behavior is illegal. It poses a direct threat to the integrity of our democracy and the sanctity of our electoral process.
Corruption in the administration is rampant. Washington no longer has a government; rather, it has a gangster regime. The Chicago way has become the Washington way. Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is a political hit man. He is an amoral, ruthless operator. It was Mr. Emanuel who reached out to Rep. Joe Sestak, Pennsylvania Democrat, offering a high-ranking job in the hopes of persuading Mr. Sestak to pull out of the primary against Sen. Arlen Specter. It was Mr. Emanuel who offered another government position to Andrew Romanoff to do the same in the Colorado Democratic Senate primary. And it was Mr. Emanuel – as the trial of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich has revealed – who acted as the go-between to try to have Valerie Jarrett parachuted into Mr. Obama’s former Senate seat. The only question was: What did Mr. Blagojevich want in exchange?
This is not simply sleazy Chicago machine politics. It is the systematic breaking of the law – bribery, attempt to interfere (and manipulate) elections using taxpayer-funded jobs, influence peddling and abuse of power.
The common misperception on the right is that Mr. Obama is another Jimmy Carter: an incompetent liberal whose presidency is being reduced to rubble under the onslaught of repeated failures. The very opposite, however, is true. He is the most consequential president in our lifetime, transforming America into something our Founding Fathers would find not only unrecognizable, but repugnant. Like all radical revolutionaries, he is consumed by the pursuit of power – attaining it, wielding it and maximizing it. Mr. Obama’s fledgling thug state must be stopped.
If Republicans win back Congress in November, they should – and likely will – launch formal investigations into this criminal, scandal-ridden administration. Rep. Darrell Issa, California Republican and ranking member of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has promised as much. Mr. Obama has betrayed the American people. Impeachment is the only answer. This usurper must fall.
Very True bill.
BRAVO!!!! SIMPLY THE BEST AND CLEAREST INDICTMENT THUS FAR. I SALUTE YOU AND YOUR CAREFUL ANALYSIS AND COMMENTARY (CAPS INTENDED)
Bill in MN – Intelligent and utterly eloquent.
Earl – I second that.
ciniowa, it is painfully obvious from your writing and ranting that you are a failed product of the public education system. You can’t spell, your sentence structure is awful and your sentences are incoherent, & you blindly follow your color w/o regard to any other criteria. Did you re-enroll in the Fifth Grade so you, too, could sing the Obama Praises that were being used to indoctrinate our children?
If you aint right pal, well, its just that, you aint right. If your on the left, you support terrorism, murdering unborn babies in their mommies stomachs, and you support putting gays on a pedestal fully acknowledging that butt bumping your buddy is a nice thing to do. Your a sick man.
If the media would just do their job and demand answers, this thing could be brought to a close, one way or the other, in very short order. The obama administration wouldn’t withstand the scrutiney of the entire media. Of course, if the media had done their job BEFORE the election, and exposed this radical Socialist’s background to the public, it’s very likely that we wouldn’t have to be putting up with this clown today.
WISE PARENTS:
As I recall, when I was about ten years old, my mother and father sat me down and talked about telling a lie. I had been teasing my sister and blamed her, which was a lie. As my story unfolded, more lies were told to back-up my story. ‘The tangled web we weave to deceive.’
My parents were very astute. That is when my mother told me in plain English, “If you tell a lie, even a fib, it will come back to kick you in the butt at some time.”
I guess Obama’s parents or grandmother never told him about the kick in the butt he would get.
Everyone in the media is on the side that Obama IS eligible to be president, including Fox News Channel. That idiot O’Reilly believes that Obama has proven he is eligible to be president. How? Because he celebrated his birthday. That was what O’Reilly said on his show on Obama’s birthday. His words were: “Thirty-three percent of Americans still do not believe Obama is eligible to be president in spite of the fact that he celebrated his birthday.” Those of us who disagree with the great O’Reilly he calls loons and pinheads. Fox is even taking the same attitude about whether or not Obama is a Muslim. He says he is not so that means it’s true. Every Fox reporter who does a story on it says “Americans WRONGLY believe he is a Muslim.” Fox needs to change their slogan from “We report. You decide.” to “We report. We decide.” Shepard Smith has another slogan he uses. “News at the speed of live.” Though, when he says it, it sounds like he is saying, “News at the speed of lies.” Which is probably more accurate.
O’Reilly is a totalitarian socialist. I have quit watching his show. Still watch all other programs on FOX except Shepard and Bill. Start Boycotting them.
It is obvious that most people have VERY little knowlege about our Laws,and our Constitusion.If we do not abide with these matters,you
get exactly the mess we are in.As in baking a cake,if you do not follow the instructions—-you don’t get the desired results!!
one question. what are you going to do about it? words are having zero impact.
Question: If the accusations against Bush 43 are true, would they have merely discredited his character, or would they have Constitutionally disqualified him from serving as President?
(Asked out of genuine curiosity, not out of bashing one side or the other…)
Discredited his character. Not that it was all that spotless to start with
George Orwell said: In a time of international deceit telling the truth is an revolutionary act.
Fox news did sereral stories before he ran for president where they discussed with Democrats that he would be the best bet for the Dems to retake the White House but that he couldn’t run because he wasn’t an natural born citizen. They have removed all these interrviews from the Internet and If you try to bring up many videos on You Tube have been replaced with some idiot singer.
Then they quietly tried to push for a Constitutional ammendment that would allow non natural born citizens be allowed to be president (also on Foxnews but again removed) and when that got no traction all of a sudden he became a citizen of Hawaii.
The media and the left think the American people are ignorant, brain dead, brainwashed idiots as can be attested to by the names they call anyone who dares speak out against them.
Lies have to be covered up..the Truth can run around naked.
Most people, for instance, if you have nothing to hide, will submit to the police searching their cars. If they dont submit its because either they have something to hide, or they dont want their Rights infringed.
How does the Govt justify this then? When One takes an oath of Office they become a “Public expence”, therefore their actions are public property. You and I have every right to expect the Govt to divulge certain information if it does not Violate personal privacy rights, or breech national security. Everything else is on the table to be examined if needed & demanded. This includes how and who our property (money) is spent.
Therefore it is simple, TRRU and correct to state that this matter or any other matter that involves the Govt NOT RESPONDING with logic, answers, politeness & humility is a Cover-up, without any doubt.
Perhaps we should try a Govt Waste Fraud & Abuse Complaint..If hes not Eligible…then the IG can Investigate where & to WHOM our money is going.
Lies have to be covered up, the truth can run around naked.
He the Obamination has confessed he WAS NOT born in the us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded . the poser ….. All that have sponsored and supported, his so called presidency are guilty of High Treason. They have all willingly subverted the Constitution of the United States. ( what is there agenda ? )
Where’s the rest of the video James? That’s not the whole story only a sound bite. You are very gullible. If you heard only half of your wife’s conversation where she kissed another man wouldn’t you want to know the whole truth before you beat her up??
For the record, I am not the “James” that wrote this.
Dear Fellow Americans, Allthe abovw comments are interesting and mostly valid. The real problem-which causes all the other problems- is the fact that Obadma was boirn a muslim, raised a muslim, educated a muslim, is a muslim and will always be a muslim. If anyone can’t see and believe this by his words and actions, there are no words to describe the low level of there intelligence . Read the Koran. It plainly says , If we don’t join them and go by all their laws, KILL US. PERIOD. THAT”S IT. It also says it’s OK for them to lie,cheat and steal to help their cause. Look how they kill each other. Talking and crying won’t solvethe problems. ONLY ACTION. How did we get our freedom??? Not by words but by deeds. Keep your guns boys- The TRUE AMERICANS WILL RISE AGAIN. AND pray to the real GOD, Jeses Christ. AMEN
First, I would like to agree with Carol!!! Barack Hussein Obama come president of our country thru hook and crook. He has enough of his appointees (czars and Acorn)to assure us of that.Obama wants the Health Care bill ( which has most everything except real Healthcare)along with letting the tax cuts expire on December 31,2010,and the way that he has spent us into bankrupcy and now wants to kill our retirements with outlandish taxes. Obama wants AMERICA broke so that we will have to depend on the government for the Automobiles, banks, hospitals, schools,etc. This is how America will become socialized.
I spoke to a military officer last month and asked him ” In the event of a civil (type) war in America, Would you follow the President (commander in Chief) or the constitution? He said that he was a true American and would act as such. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE SOON BEFORE THIS HAPPENS!! FIRST,EVERY REGISTERED VOTER NEEDS TO VOTE IN A NEW AND CONSERVITIVE HOUSE AND SENATE THIS NOVEMBER. IF WE DON’T WE ARE REALLY GOING TO BE IN THE MOST TERRIBLE MESS EVER,AND THAT IS WHAT Obama WANTS FOR HIS AGENDA IN AMERICA. CONDOLISA RICE IS BLACK, BUT VERY QUALIFIED AS PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY. I SURE WISH THAT WE COULD HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE HAD HER INSTEAD OF MR. CHANGE. THIS WOULD HAVE MADE MOST EVERYONE MORE SATISFIED. DOWN with Obama and his crownies!!
Barry Soetoro is the candidate of choice for a secular and atheistic media whose goals are to sell papers on headlines featuring America’s demise and destabilization. Obama’s just an emotionally injured and needy personality (probably still incensed by some racially based name calling and nonacceptance by white girls and their parents). He’s not interested in America’s success, he loathes typical hard working Americans. He sees needy people as the victims of a Capitalist system that crushes these “poor” people and denies them equal opportunities. The land will rejoice when this menace of the Liberal cause is booted out of office (and for those suffering of his race based ailment, I’m not saying it because he’s Black, but because he’s an idiot!).
The same reason the slime in this country supported Bill Clinton; he was one of them.
The very last line in this article is the thing I think has been real important from the beginning. Perhaps I am being paranoid, but I only see a limited number of possibilities on this issue.
1. He is a natural-born citizen. We are wasting our breath and making ourselves look like fools. So even if we are right on everything else, we have a hard time selling all our correct ideas when we look like we ought to be tied up and stuffed in a straight jacket.
2. He is a natural-born citizen. They are using this as a distraction. Imagine all the energy we waste on this topic instead having been put into defeating the health care takeover, or bringing light on what is getting slipped into all these bills… or branches of government overstepping their bounds such as the President and the EPA writing their own laws when Congress doesn’t write them like they want them. Imagine what would be happening if we instead used our energies to help our “liberal” friends realize that even if they agree with the results, the means do NOT justify the ENDS because down this path is tyranny. It may not be this President. It could be another. While we still have the right to vote, they cannot be guaranteed that when we have a tyranny that it will be the President they wanted. I know they can be stubborn to see the danger, but if we were spending our energies elsewhere instead of on trying to undermine whether the President is legitimate or not. Think of all the other scary stuff I could have read about in the time I took to write this reply or read this article. I already have been reading scary stuff. It looks like not just the EPA is trying to write laws on carbon taxes, but the President has now written law himself to gain control of our oceans and waterways? Scary! It is supposed to be Congress that writes the laws for a reason–that checks and balances thing that we seem to have forgotten.
3. If he is not a natural citizen, then we should stop focusing on this but try to think ahead. This is the one thing the very, very end of your article here hints at. What is the end game if our President is not a natural born citizen? Is to pit us against each other? Is to frame us up for a World Government? Set up for collapse and conquest by other nations? I mean what would be the end game for this scenario? And I would suggest looking at both end game possibilities. If he is not a natural born citizen there is actually two possible end game scenarios. One, it is found out and America is pitted against itself while the President is still in office. Two, he serves until defeated in an election (probably according to plan). What would be the purpose of this? Hint: they find the Constitution to be a document of negative liberties–it says what government CANNOT do to us. This means the Constitution isn’t really friendly to tyranny, and they want the Constitution gone, replaced, and/or invalidated.
Just some food for thought.
Dan Burke
Its obvious that the nwo is the game plan by lifting the borders by way of marshal law will tear up the constitution and elimanate our rights how else can it be done?they are exposed and the only way their going to get it done is force it down our throats by way of marshal law.All the smoke and mirrors and distractions are just that,gives them time to bankrupt this nation.Divide an concur Use the races to start the fire let in the islam terrorist to plant the bombs tie up the states in court until they go broke. diversional at best,it will happen like it or not but we wont stand for it but will die for what we once had and will pravail.History seems to always repeat its self and we won the last one with far less solders.
From the very first book I read about B.Obama, It was obvious that he is Muslim because that is the religion of his impressionable childhood years. If a Mulim coverts, they have a very significant conversion experience which he has never discussed; therefore, he has never converted. Hiding the truth and lying about one issue confirms that he lies about others…birthplace, economy, being a socialist, what he is trying to this country, etc. Why are enduring this man in the White House?
In Chicago he attended a Black Nationlist Church. They are closely alligned with the Black Muslims in preaching victimology. So Barry has always been indoctrinated with the Muslin philosophy. It’s engrained into his thought process.
Actions speak louder than words. Stop defending Obama and take a close
look the mess he has made of this country since he has been in office and don’t blame someone else for his catastrophes. He needs to stop blaming and hiding. We are sick of his blame game. Please tell me why this man won’t come clean and reveal all the records to clear this question. It would be simple for him to clear the confusion,
why hasn’t he? I think the answer is clear.
Has anyone ever noticed the similarities between Joe Biden and Jeff Dunham’s puppet Walter? You’d swear they were both carved from the same tree. Just thought I’d ask.
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Bill
thanks for the site hope every one sees it and spreads it around.
Yes, with all the rest of the lies.
karolyn
you are just so nasty
Lies? Perhaps it is true and you have been duped! The latter is true anyway.
I believe that Obama is setting up this great country of the United
States for a Muslim take-over. Our economy is worse than it has ever been, Law enforcement agencies are being forced to down-size, our military forces are being decimated in Iraq, Afghanistan and only God
knows where else, the gun-control people are trying to circumvent the Constitution by creating an arms treaty thru the UN and the Liberals
are backing Muslim organizations, including the ACLU. We are heading
down the path to destruction of our way of life as we have known it for the past Century.
If that happens there will be a blood-bath. Woe be to the poor cop or fed who tries to confiscate peoples guns. Most people will go down fighting such a tyrannical take-over. There is an organization called Oath Takers, on the internet. It’s a renewal pledge for all veterans, police, and politicans to restore their oath to defend and protect the Constitution. Encourage yout local sherrifs and police chiefs to sign.
Just a small correction. The group is Called the “Oath Keepers”, I am a memember. I don’t want anyone looking to join the group to miss it because of a small error.
Peace
The ACLU is not a Muslim organization! You are entitled to your opinion, but not to your own facts.
Your right, The ACLU is Atheist… pro-muslim or pro-anything that is not CHRISTIAN!
Clark Dennis (8/23/2010 12:04 PM), you are a man who can see.
Well-said: ‘I believe that Obama is setting up this great country of the United States for a Muslim take-over.’ You are not alone in this opinion. Thank you for expressing it.
The problem is that the little man/woman has no power to stop that process. Voting doesn’t work if no elections are held. A puny gun in your hands does nothing against the people in control of the most frightening array of stunning and killing weaponry in the history of mankind. The dollars of the kingpins outlast the meager savings of the little man/woman every time. You can’t fight if you have no food in your stomach.
GlowWorm
If every one went in with that kind of attitude we would all become socialist overnight.The UN is there only hope of taking down this country and they cant run their own bath water a bunch of kids took their weapons from them with sticks and stones in gaza real frighting dont ya think.We are three hundred million armed against three million Blue helmets I Know we can take them and they Know it too.
Dan AZ, I appreciate what you’re saying, but I think you’re missing my point. If the resistors were grouped together (like those young kids with sticks and stones), perhaps they could withstand the ‘enemy.’
But the new slavemasters have been quietly and rapidly infiltrating society with ‘security guards’ everywhere, as a ‘precautionary’ measure. One guy like that with a cell phone or walkie talkie can call in reinforcements in an instant, and could probably quell any resistance even without reinforcements. They’re in regular stores. They’re in the libraries. And with the so-called Faith-Based Initiatives, they’ll even be in all the churches that receive government funds for their charity and food programs. Those churches won’t be available as shelters when things get rough. Besides, history has many accounts of masses of people being locked into churches in wartime and burned to death.
And what about the use of grenades, bombs (including A-bombs and even H-bombs such as the Tybee bomb, not to forget tsunami bombs) and other horrific weapons that regular people don’t have access to? When foreign powers are behind the take-over, their treasuries can and will foot the bill.
By the way, the first week of August I saw some of those heavy concrete Interstate ramps being constructed near Plainfield, Pennsylvania at Exit 44 on I-81 (and Exit 47 at Carlisle, just west of Harrisburg) … like what Louis Farrakhan said were being built to withstand armored tanks (or just those 18-wheelers, take your pick).
In Indonesia, the Chinese are only about 3% of the population, but control about 80% of the wealth. So I’d say that an Indonesian take-over (i.e., Muslim – most likely supported by American Black Muslims) would inevitably involve Chinese funds, probably channeled through banks with connections to (and this is just my educated guess) the Royal Bank of Canada and its sister banks. The Japanese (who invaded Indonesia and held it for a few years in World War II) would also have a major role to play. Don’t forget that Hawaii (Obama’s erstwhile home) is practically owned lock, stock and barrel by the Japanese, whose ancestors bombed Pearl Harbor in Hawaii (they were masters of the sneak attack, and they carefully studied how to catch the Americans napping).
Think of Hurricane Katrina on the Gulf Coast in 2005. When that massive bridge was wiped out near Gulfport, Mississippi, people who still had a job to go to suddenly had an extremely difficult time skirting around the gaping transportation break-down (as much as 2 hours one-way as opposed to their usual 10- or 15-minute crossing). I saw firsthand the aftermath and devastation there (which stretched on and on for miles), and it looked like it had been hit with a bomb. That was just a taste of how severely normal life can be disrupted with well-planned destruction.
While I don’t recommend giving up without some sort of fight, I think it foolish to imagine that citizens ‘armed’ with rifles and pistols can somehow beat a well-armed military with ‘airplanes,’ robot rockets, IBMs and Star Wars technology including infrared goggles (the better to aim at you in the dark). I’m trying to simplify while picturing the imbalance of arms. Our nation is not the jungles of Vietnam, suited for guerrilla warfare.
All this makes me think of Miguel Cervantes’ fictional protagonist Don Quixote, except that instead of the knight in shabby armor tilting at windmills which he misinterprets as invading giants, the giants are real and they are well-armed.
That said, the David and Goliath model continues to inspire people who, like David of old, have nothing more than a trusty slingshot to bring down a superior opponent. Oh. And a lot of slingshot practice, plus planning as to exactly where to strike. When you’re out-armed, you can’t afford to miscalculate or miss.
GloWorm, everybody’s gotta die sometime, if you don’t defend your life and property, you become somebody else’s property. I would rather die on my feet, then serve on my knees.
Al Sieber,
If I had anybody fighting for me, I’d want it to be somebody with your attitude. Like Patrick Henry, ‘Give me liberty or give me death!’
But is annihilation a higher form of existence (isn’t this an oxymoron)?
If you lost and didn’t die and wound up being somebody else’s property, you could endure that humiliation by accepting the Cocoon Theory of temporary defeat: fighting is postponed till you or your descendants resume it.
Later, if your descendants are still around, ‘you’ get to see the Second Chance side of the coin on the Planet That Eats.
If you’re dead with no children, however, … that’s the end of that. Genocide for you and all your DNA.
It takes a lot of inner strength to cocoon in servitude (the secret of survival). Much more than to simply rot in your grave, from which there is no emerging.
I don’t mean to suggest surrendering without a fight. Just ‘Fight to win,’ and then ‘Win even if you lose.’
Gloworm
If you were in the trenches with me and you stood up and with your arms out I would be the one that put a bullet into your head before you even moved an inch.The differance between trying to live another day in hopes that you will survive is about the differance between a liberal and a consevative.we believe in freedom and with out it what is there to live for. thats what makes us stronger than you we will die before giving up.If you cant understand that then good luck behind the fence because nobody will be coming for you because you already choose your fate.
Dan AZ, I’m trying to figure out why I’d be standing up with my arms out if I were in the trenches. I don’t get it. Did you mean that if I stood up with my HANDS UP to SURRENDER you’d shoot me?
I made myself clear: ‘Fight to win.’ Your phrase for that is ‘Fight to the death.’ All I meant was that sometimes men fight to the death but wake up in a hospital, contrary to their plans. And if you have to start all over again at the bottom (which I know something about), it helps you psychologically to know that it doesn’t mean you’ve been permanently defeated.
‘What is there to live for?’ The same thing as the ant whose anthill has been stomped on. The same thing as the spider whose web has been wiped off the map. The same thing as the bird whose nest has been destroyed and its eggs eaten.
Surviving and building back take every bit as much guts as fighting to the death. It takes all these qualities to prevail. Just ask the Katrina survivors.
But I think you may have misunderstood me, because you said this (while perhaps mistakenly putting me in the camp of the ‘liberals’): ‘trying to live another day in hopes that you will survive.’ You can’t fight while you’re thinking of something else, even of ‘trying to live another day.’ You have to be single-minded. I agree with you on that.
And I also agree with you 100% on something you said about Obama August 25 2010 at 2:55 am: ‘I dont think hes black he is more indoneision which is a mixed race.’ I see Indonesian blood in his facial features, and I was very intrigued that you could see it, too.
It would be great if that officer sued the Presidential impersonator, and all of obamawama’s personal stuff had to be turned over in “discovery”.
YouTube – BREAKING NEWS! – Records DISAPPEAR! New Information APPEARS! Obama-Mama-Drama!
Isn’t it wonderful how this brillant President of ours has brought us together? He is exactly what I expected. I am still in shock that we would actually elect someone who was unknown,raised by a communist,had radical associates,promised us miracles, told us he was in favor of redistribution of wealth,government health care,promised the fundamental transformation of the U.S.,and is now using the office of President to destroy our economy.I could care less where he was born, my concern is watching a man who is governing totally against the grain and if left unchecked will transform our country. True liberals will back him until the ship finally sinks,thats just their nature.
What’s amazing is what the press can cover up and how easily people can be fooled
There is no Federal Court that will allow any case against Obama to be heard. Every case has been refused as the person suing has been found to have no standing to file the suit.
The enemy’s of America cannot win in a military conflict.
Infiltration to setup, and then take over. Simple as that.
In this too they cannot win, we are all well aware and prepared.
Laus Deo
Semper Fi
From the very first book I read about B.Obama,it was obvious that he is Muslim because that is the religion of his impressionable childhood years. If a Muslim converts, they have a very significant conversion experience. He has never discussed such an experience; therefore, he has never converted. Hiding the truth and lying about one issue confirms that he lies about others…birthplace, economy, being a socialist, what he is trying to do to this country, etc. Why are we enduring this man in the White House?
How come the Muslim world never issued a fatwa against Obama? Aren’t they supposed to kill anyone who converts? Since he was raised in a Muslim country and attended a Muslim school I would think that he’s a Muslim. Something fishy here. Do you think he may be the Muslim Manchurian ( mecca) Candidate?
Gunny
there is a site on you tube that shows he is a muslim he admits to it on camera many times I dont have the site any more but i think it was under oboma admits he’s a muslim.
Gunner689 said:
‘How come the Muslim world never issued a fatwa against Obama? Aren’t they supposed to kill anyone who converts?’
Very astute question. I’ve been wondering the same thing myself. The only possible answer to this, in view of how the entire nation of Indonesia was literally dancing in the streets when Obama was elected President of the U.S.A., is that he never converted from Islam to Christianity, and he is still a Muslim, at least in his heart of hearts.
‘Indonesia is by far the world’s largest Muslim nation; almost 90 percent are believers. The remainder profess Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism.’ – Insight Guide Indonesia (APA Publications, part of the Langenscheidt Publishing Group, Singapore, 5th Edition 2001; ISBN 1-58573-372-5) [Indonesia title discontinued after 2001], p. 64.
Nine out of every 10 Indonesians is a Muslim. Why would they be dancing in the streets if Obama were a Christian convert? In a city of 10,000 inhabitants, only 1,000 would be non-Muslim, and only a small percentage of that would be Christian. Do you think that only the Christian Indonesians were dancing in the streets on November 5, 2008, the day after Obama won the U.S. Presidential election?
What would happen to a Muslim Indonesian if he or she were found dancing in the streets just because a ‘home-town boy’ (who had denied Islam and become Christian) had made it big in the U.S.?
Gunner, I think the absence of a death fatwa against Obama is a reasonable indication that he is not a Christian convert. It’s not like his conversion escaped the attention of the Muslim clerics. His religious status was a high-profile issue worldwide during the U.S. presidential election campaign.
No fatwa = no conversion.
Is fatwa precluded when intentional deception is pressed into the service of jihad? Can a false ‘conversion’ to Christianity be sanctioned by Islam? Deception is acceptable when it furthers the objectives of Islam. ‘By any means necessary,’ to quote Malcolm X, one of Obama’s heros.
Does Obama have a Christian baptismal certificate? Given the above Machiavelliam modus operandi of the Muslims, would it matter if he did?
I meant Machiavellian.
Gunner689, I found the following from 7 months before the 2008 election. Evidently there IS/(WAS?) a fatwa against Obama. Many, around the world.
But even so, I still stand by my comments above. It just doesn’t make sense for Indonesians to dance in the streets for an apostate (unless they’re hoping he’ll ‘liberate’ them?).
If he faces the death penalty throughout the Muslim world, how can he go to those countries and not get killed? How can he be such a grand ‘ambassador for peace and understanding?’
‘Global Politician – Obama’s Muslim connection’
[http://www.globalpolitician.com/24356-obama]
Article by Ted Belman 3/28/2008
QUOTE: Muslims view Obama as first a Muslim and then as an apostate Muslim.
He faces the death penalty in nearly the entire Islamic world. END QUOTE
We endure him because he was duly elected by the majority of the voters and with a preponderance of electoral votes. Just the way it is described on the Constitution.
Don
I hope the dead that voted for him don’t come back to haunt him!
Another so called journalist that just doesn’t get it!
Illegal Immigration is #’s 1 or 2 of the top issues for EVERYONE I know! From Atlata, GA, to Northern Alabama to Lake Ozarks MO, to Denver CO. EVERY last place I have visited in the last three months have talked about Illegal Immigration over every other issue. it’s the most Passionate issue of all that talk about it I can ever remember. And, I NEVER have to start the conversation!
Yet, THIS author talks like it is WAAAAAY down on the list!
Mr Livingston? You need to get out into the country side more.
Illegal Immigration is in the top 2 issues for voters, and you had better go see why.
Well, another journalist that is out of touch with America, yet writes like he actually has a clue!
Dear RoBoTech,
I really have no idea what you’re talking about. I believe illegal immigration is a serious problem in American and I–and our contributors–have written about it extensively.
Best wishes,
Bob
Bob L
you are way to polite!
I was hoping Obama was for real, he speaks well and said the right things before he ran for president. However as an old guy who volunteered when I was young and naive for a Congressman I know Washington is a cesspool with 34,000 “lobbyists” and most of it is a charade. When his people started charging more and more for those little lawns signs? When you start looking into some of the darker rumors that bubbled up? I backed away and voted for Ralph Nader. My family has been here since before this was a “country” fought in all the wars, but it isn’t what the founders intended today and probably could not be again. Globalist fractional bankers have the most power-they control all credit, interest rates, money supply and the taxes. Government seems to be just a front like Obama, Clinton, Bush, all of them maybe except Johnson and Kennedy and they didn’t fare too well. For the last 120 years or so all the GOP presidents have been selected at the Bohemian Club and probably most democrats. Now it’s ridiculous, these wealthy old geezers decide, bankers and corporate creeps, the regular people have no power, it’s an illusion, a Matrix and we’re programmed serfs. Jesse Ventura was outside their system and great. Want a real “president” then vote for a Willie Nelson or Jesse Ventura who isn’t part of the two party scam. Of course he’ll probably be shot or have his plane crash but that’s only way. Obama? Geez, an actor and I don’t want to go into all the stories on him but he’s a complete farce.
Definition of imposter: a person who deceives or cheats others, especially by pretending to be someone or something that he or she is not. A person can be an imposter in more ways than one…birthplace is just one of the many ways this President may be an imposter. His mother, Ann Dunham was a radical left-wing activist. There is no proof that she and Barack’s father were ever married. However. there is proof that she married a practing Muslim by the name of Lolo Soetoro whom she met in 1960 while attending the University of Hawaii….she also Barack Obama Sr. there at the same time. Timing of this leads to doubt and if Barack Obama Sr. was truly the real/recorded father of Barack Jr. then why seal his birth certificate?
Are you trying to say that the definition of confusion is to ask our President who is his real father?
I am also one of those who believe that Obama should be forced to produce his original birth certificate. If he was born in Hawaii, like they say, then he could get a certified copy of the original. I was born in Ohio and that was the way I had to do it. If he is a citizen, why wouldn’t he want to do that just to settle the confusion in every one’s mind. Another thing that worries me, beside the citizen issue, is the fact that Obama is a Muslim and leading a Christian Nation. I do not believe a Muslim will act in the best interest of a Christian Nation. I have seen, and read things, that brings me to this conclusion. I also personally heard him say he was a Muslim – it was a slip of the tongue on his part while he was being interviewed by George Stephanopoulos before the election. I can never figure out why so many people would vote for a person that came out of of the blue and promised all those changes. This is exactly how Hitler took over a Democratic country, like Germany, and made himself a dictator, then tried to rule the world. Let me remind you folks who are sticking your head in the sand on this issue, where there is smoke, there has to be a fire some where. Some of you folks remind me of those people who didn’t, or wouldn’t believe, that O. J. Simpson killed those two folks that he was found not guilty of when he was guilty. I was in law enforcement for nearly thirty years, and I dealt with a lot of people. I feel that give me heads up on recognizing people for what they are.
The reason so many people were fooled is that they were more interested in American Idol than who was going to run the country and the dumb assed Republicans put up McCain and Dole as candidates because it was there turn. We need a strong Constitutional Party in this country.
I CANNOT BELEIVE THERE ARE SUCH STUPID PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD THAAT BELEIVE OBAMA IS NOT A CITIZEN BORN IN THE US MY GOD STOP FIGHTING THE MAN AND START FIGHTING THE PROBLEMS THAT BUSH LEFT US WITH OTHERIWS GO TO BUSHS IRAQ WHERE YOUBELONG.
Here’s how it works.
Each President serves a maximum of 8 years then someone else takes over.
Jerry
Not if he gets his way we will be under a dictatorship and there is no voting him out!
Amen,
So true!!!!!!
Elaine, you need professional help.
Speak for yourself.
ELAINE
You sound upset what you need to do is go back to the begining and start with obomas hope and change an all of the speaches that he promised to the people and make a list of all the good that he has done and make a list of all the things that are bad that he has done Im sure you will agree that the list for good can only be summed up by the awaikening of the people that our great nation is about to be taken over by a socialist radical musiim.
I started reading all of these comments but go fed up reading all the arguing. There is nothing to debate. If Obama had a birth certificate he would have released it. So as the saying goes if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck it is probably a duck.
What I can’t understand is why something as important as this (Following the Constitution)is not put to rest by the courts.
Perhaps the same fine of $20,000 to an attorney for frivolous law suit he brought in asking for the birth certificate again would convince you to accept he was born in the USA.
THINK ABOUT IT
they would all be glad to pay it just to see the real BC.wouldnt you?
Obama is not a poser; he was elected by a very nice majority; those of us who voted for him knew that he couldn’t walk on water or make wine from fish, or whatever; he was the best candidate, and is trying to do a good job. What is really interesting is the way George Bush has gone back into his hole, hiding from the mess he created for all of us, and ignoring the chaos, pain and suffering he caused with his war-mongering and his neglect of presidential duties. Shame on him!
M.O.,
What exactly would you have GWB do? He is a FORMER president. He’s not supposed to be on the stage now. Do you know the date? year? What is your purpose in bringing up Bush anyway? He isn’t the one we’re discussing here. Go back to sleep.
Why would your very nice majority want George Bush to show his head?
I was under the impression that when a President left office they turned the problems over to the next President (who would repair them as promised)
Get over it………this mess belongs to Mr. Obama now, as it should since he has managed to triple our former problems
When I picture you, I see a doddering old dingbat who is suffering from an advanced stage of dementia.
How did you know? What a smart little boy you are – there, there; now go to your room.
Madeleine O
Put down the joint and get back to reality quick there is a war coming to your town and they wear blue helmets.And please cut the hair under your arms!
And shave your mustache.
Definition of imposter: a person who deceives or cheats others, especially by pretending to be someone or something that he or she is not. A person can be an imposter in more ways than one…birthplace is just one of the many ways this President may be an imposter. His mother, Ann Dunham was a radical left-wing activist. There is no proof that she and Barack’s father were ever married. However. there is proof that she married a practicing Muslim by the name of Lolo Soetoro whom she met in 1960 while attending the University of Hawaii….she also met Barack Obama Sr. there at the same time. Timing of this leads to doubt and if Barack Obama Sr. was truly the real/recorded father of Barack Jr. then why seal his birth record/certificate?
The birth certificate was sealed because of the number of requests for it. The Republician governor of Hawaii sealed it, asking over and over again for a record does not change the fact Obama was born in Hawaii. Think simply, he is and always been a citizen of the USA. There is also a passport issued to him which requires a certified copy of his birth certificate, what more do you want to prove he is a citizen. Do you have certified record of his birth in Kenya, doubt it.
THINK ABOUT THIS
actually there is a birth certificate that surfaced and it is from kenya look it up! and as for his passport I can assure you that you can get one to just come down to the border you can also get a social security card to go with it.When are you libs going to learn that the quran tells its followers to lie if its for the name of allah.
My, My, you probably will wake up some day and find the truth and then you will be free. I give the folks credit for predicting the future in 1961 when they also posted a notice of Obama’s birth in a Hawaiian newspaper, if that is the case, it is probably a conspiracy they planned to happen to the 2008-? birthers. Pretty smart on their part, are you sure you was also born in the USA to American citizens. Perhaps this is your problem, you probably don’t believe you are a citizen either.
The conservative Supreme Court has recently re-affirmed a $20,000 fine levied against the attorney who tried to bring suit to show that Obama was not a natural born citizen. The fine was for bringing a frivolous law suit. Thus a conservative SCOTUS
Thank you Don!
While some people are still looking for his birth certificate this is just some of what we’re getting done:)
http://www.obamaachievements.com/
You want to talk about frivolous lawsuits? What about that lawyer who made MILLIONS suing doctors for causing “birth defects”, then ran for President while fathering an illegitimate child while his wife was suffering from cancer? What about all the unfounded, baseless charges levied against former Speaker Newt Gingrich & former Governor Palin? Pot can’t call the kettle black!
I’m so tired of all the bickering and dishonesty. As stated above, what difference does race make when America is falling? She was so much stronger when we did not even know the political persuasion of celebrities, our own friends and everyone in between. This divisiveness is dangerous and shows how fragile our melting pot culture really is. My recipe for getting our America back is factual truth and daylight transparency in every facet of life. Especially fraud proof elections. Oh yes, and extremely harsh punishments for dishonesty. As for the birthers? Their questions deserve to be answered no matter how ridiculous they MIGHT be. The fact that no one is certain says there are not enough facts. That our leaders are not searching for the truth/facts says a lot about them too. Do we really want leaders who don’t care about the truth.
And I just have to say one thing about Hillary Clinton in response to a post above. She “misremembered” about the sniper incident in Bosnia? Hhmm. A fancy word for “lied” in my book. Anyone who lies about one thing will lie about anything. And that is a fact.
Should not have been sworned in until he produce his birth certificate. What happen to the transparancy he preached through his first year….is it one of those, “Do as I say; not as I do…?” Has he really met the basic prerequisite to be a President of the United States? Who was supposed to have checked his prequisites before he put his name as a candidate? Like other part of the Federal Government, the left doesn’t know what the right is doing. It doesn’t mean because he is already sworned in that we should give up asking to be transparent and show his birth certificate. There is no question he should not be reelected for a second term. Honest is the best policy – something he ‘ain’t.
BEFORE OBAMA BECAME PRESIDENT WE WERE IN A CRISIS LOST 360,000 JOBS EVERYTHING WAS GOING TO HELL I THANK GOD WE GOT OBAMA IN HE IS SO INTELLIGENT HE KNNEW IF HE DIDN’T BAIL BANKS. GM ETC OUT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN I A DEPRESSION WORSE THAN YRS AGO SO I SAY TO ALL OBAMA HATERS YOU ARE HATING A MAN THAT DID NOT CAUSE ALL THIS RECESSION HATE BUSH THAT INVADED A COUNTRY THAT CAUSED MANY OF OUR KIDS TO DIE AND TRILLIONS FOR WHAT ?????? THATS WHAT PUT US OVER THE END WAS STUPID BUSH BRAIN DEAD WITH SNAKE CHENNY OUR TERRIOST .
Elaine, I loved how you summarized the truth. Thank you
You two are a pair of NUTS. By the way, I don’t hate Mr Obama, just what he has done & is doing to my country. Apparently both of you will be satisfied when America ceases to be, as long as your boy is in charge. I do hope you are looking forward to slavery, ’cause that’s what will happen if democracy dies.
I just don’t get it! WHAT IS ONE MAN DOING TO THIS COUNTRY!!! He is not superhuman!! He does not control everything and everyone!! He is just a MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like jealousy to me. GO President Obama! do your thing, we surround you with support.
Instead of complaining about President Obama B-Certificate, you should be concerned about Al Sharpen organizing the Blacks and Hispanics, I think we can safely say that we can now count the American Muslins in for voting for the Dems, along with the Dem Caucasians, I think this is going to be a slam dunk come Nov. What a melting pot this is going to be. I can’t wait to see the GOP faces again, when they don’t take as many seats as they think.
Jeannetta……Only time will tell but before you get too carried away within your own arrogance, best wait till November, less you be found to be more foolish than you already are.
ELAINE
that would mean that 1% of our economy was unemployed what is it now?
29% unemployed and just quit looking for work.You cant blame bush for that it started on obumers watch and is getting allot worse.there are times to stick up for what you believe in but you need all the facts that you can get to not make the same mistakes in the future.Read the truth and it will open you eyes to what is acually going on in the world.The truth is out there just take off your blinders and open your mind Research it!
wHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET 29% FROM? Even in SC it’s only 10.
karolyn
I think I found it on wnd it was the actual count of all the ones that where on unemployment and the ones that ran out of bennies and the ones that just stopped looking all togther.the numbers are out there i dont make them up.its like california I heard a number of 14% awhile back have you seen the tents along the river banks in sacramento?the homeless just keeps adding up.every week there are new numbers that are put out like 45000 more and thats been going on for a very long time.the last thing i read was that 3 million are unemployed.
I absolutely LOL at some of the people here my gawd people do you have any brain left to independently think?
The president of the US has all the agency’s on hand to provide anyone with any papers he wanted with the paper trail attached to it…those people can let you disappear with out a trace,, reappear, give you 100% authentic new lives and you guys gripe because he did not show a frigging piece of papers that by law and the constitution he does NOT have to make public?It he wants too, he will be able to produce anything he wants and there will be NOBODY able to prove otherwise. Get a life, stop being mindless parrots dancing to the tunes of the likes of Rush the drug addict Limburger, Joseph the racist Farah and his ilk….for once in your life use the braincells you are born with and THINK for yourselves.
TO ALL IDIOTS OUT IN LA LA LAND OBAMA DID PRODUCE HIS BIRTH CERTIFACTE LOOK IT UP OR SHUT UP YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS TO THINK WE COULD HAVE PAPRESIDENT THAT WAS NOT AMERICAN MCCAIN WAS BORN IN PANAMA SO IS HGE BORN AMERICAN LOL !!! SILLY CRAP ???????????????????/
Really…When did “HE” provide it? I don’t believe it came from “HIM”.
You have got to be kidding me, his b-certificate is shown on TV over and over. What difference does it make anyway, President Obama is not going anywhere, matter of fact he stands to be voted in for a 2nd term. Find something else like the issues to whine about.
You don’t hear our young running around saying, President Obama is a Muslin, only the old folks are doing that. In the crowds of people complaining, all you see is white hair and old faces.
Get a life and act older then your College age children.
Old people w/white hair usually have the experience to back up their opinions. Being pissed off at the world because of your skin color doesn’t make you right, just bigoted.
CertificaTION of live birth != CertifiCATE of live birth.
http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/BirthCerts/Archive/Birth_Certificate.htm
Nina…Good question?
Elaine: what did you do before you became an English Professor?
Gunny
Please stop my sides are killing me!lol
Gunny
It must be obomics!
Oh, yeah, Gunner, and you write like you passed English 101 – NOT.
Good one Karolyn; you really hurt me with that one.
Karolyn….I though you went back to NJ so you could bitch and moan up there?
ELAINE
Go research the truth there is a copy of his real birth cirtificate from kenya on you tube check it out and please quit yelling.
Half of u-tube is trash and manipulated. Too much on the internet is phony propaganda.I get tired of reading information and then find out it’s mostly false What a waste of time and of Americas intelligence capacity. These video sound bites are the worst.
lol,
Its a fake, even racists and hate mongers at WND acknowledged month ago that this is a fake….you need to catch up with reality ….
FOOLS YOU HAVE TO SPEND TO MAKE THINGS WORK PERIOD DOING 00000 WOULD REALLY PUT US IN BAD RESSION. BLAME BUSH IF IT LOKS LIKE A DUCK WALKSLIKE A DUCK IT’S A DUCK.
The conservative Supreme Court has recently re-affirmed a $20,000 fine levied against the attorney who tried to bring suit to show that Obama was not a natural born citizen. The fine was for bringing a frivolous law suit. Thus a conservative SCOTUS held that the claims against Obama’s citizenship at birth are frivolous.
Also, will someone explain the record of his birth as reported in the Honolulu papers at the time was faked. Did someone know at that time that this baby would someday run for President and would need a cover up?
Finally, wouldn’t the Clinton’s have known this when H. Clinton was running against Obama and brought this up to eliminate him from contention?
One senses a lot of paranoia in these comments, not to mention pure racial hatred.
Like they said when the Supreme Court elected Bush over Gore, “Get Over it”!
You see a lot of “pure racial hatred”, which does exist here to some extent, but can you not see the “vote for my color” and “hold my nose & vote Democrat” attitude as well?
As much as we see the we don’t care about any facts we will vote republican attitude…it will always be that way…conservatives will vote conservative even if they see the country is being run into the ground and ruined by a conservative president…they will still wave the flag and never change….and to the end they will self style themselves real americans…evidence to the contrary to be damned….nothing new, same ole, same ole
For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:
1.One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
2.The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child’s birth;
3.A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.
Obama was born on August 4, 1961. His mother was 18 years old at the time of his birth (On August 4, 1961, at the age of 18, Dunham gave birth to her first child, Barack Obama II.). Do the math… 4 years within the US between her 14th birthday and the birth of her son not 5 as required under the law at the time.
No matter how you lefties spin it, under the existing laws at the time of his birth…he cannot qualify as “A natural born citizen” of the United States of America,
Dear Below Average Joe: What you have stated is the law pertaining to children born outside the jurisdiction of the United States. The rule, then and now, for children born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof is that they are all citizens. Period. “Subject to the jurisdiction” of the US only excludes children of some diplomats and children of enemy aliens. Furthermore, the notion that there are classes of citizens is ludicrous. The one and only distinction that the law makes amongst citizens is to note that there are those who are born citizens and those who later are naturalized, and the only difference there is that naturalized citizens cannot become President (sorry, Ahnold).
And you got your law degree where?..MAybe you need to:
1. go back to school
2. learn to read….
a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:
1.One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
2.The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child’s birth;
3.A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.
…notice the word ALL…not some, part or any other word….ALL.
You Messiah does not meet ALL of the requirements….end of story.
Just as I predicted some idiot…( congrats you are a winner) would argue with the actual law that was on the books at the time.
Below average?……Does your intials D W stand for….”Dim Wit”?
Nice try there numb nuts.
“The one and only distinction that the law makes amongst citizens is to note that there are those who are born citizens and those who later are naturalized, and the only difference there is that naturalized citizens cannot become President “…
So then, by your own admission….under the existing law at the time…Obama was not a US citizen…and therefore must be “naturalized”…in which case…according to your own post…cannot be president….at least not a US President.
My law degree is from Santa Clara University. Prior to that I worked in the State Department where I issued US passports to the very people you claim are not US citizens. I suggest that you read the 14th amendment to the Constitution.
I must note how incisive your comment is. By using the terms “idiot”, “dim wit” and “numb nuts” you have raised the level of civilized discourse to astounding heights. I thought and thought to come up with a term describing you that could match your eloquence. I finally came up with it: Wrong.
Dear Below Average Joe…and sure enough, it is the R. L. amendment to the Constitution. R. L. stands for “Real Loony” or, of course, “Robert Livingston”.
Isn’t your comment like the pot calling the kettle Black?….If you cannot respect another poster on the forum, you cannot expect to be treated any differently. Again, you might want to go back to school and get a real education.
What I posted concerning the the Citizenships laws at the time of Obama’s birth, came directly from the Government’s own website. Arguing against the the actual law only shows that you have very little intelligence or at the very least no regard for any laws that you personally don’t care for.
As for the 14th Amendment…prove to me that it was properly ratified…you can’t do it…BTW…I am not A U.S. Citizen (A corporate foreign entity) as described under “your” 14th Amendment and hold no allegiances to said corporation, nor do I reside anywhere within Federal Jurisdiction (I don’t take up residence within a Federal Territory) I currently live in a State….protected by the 10th Amendment. I am however a citizen of the State in which I was born, again…protected by the 10th Amendment.
Anyone who might hire you as a lawyer…deserves what they get…. keep pushing Passports…..sounds easy enough for you to handle. Put the picture on the passport, stamp it and put it in the mail…don’t forget postage….Government pencil pusher…what a laugh.
Average Joe…..You are correct! Thank you for the most meaningful post on this subject!
President Obama is an American born Christian but if thats what the people on this site claim to be dear lord have mercy.I would’nt want to be as hate filled as the authors of most of these remarks tend to be.Must be their upbringing.
Prove it.
FreedomFighter,
What I find amuzing is that I just posted the actual law that was in effect at the time of Obama’s birth…and some of these idiots will still argue…with established law no less. I never ceases to amaze me, some of the rationalizations the people will use to support their ignorance.
I’m right…just because….er….because…uh…..well it’s true! ..take my word for it…Facts…we don’t need no stinking facts!…lol
above average joe
thanks for the facts again.If thats what is in the state dept. were all in big trouble.by the way did you notice the tripplets in the picture above the second one has a radical head cover that they all use when making there films on martyism.
I believe that the picture is CGI and not an actual photo….just an observation.
There seems to be more HATE coming from the Liberal side. All we have done is raise the question that has been refused an answer. Go back and read how hateful this liberal side postings have become. Just because you want to attach a “name” to a certain group doesn’t make it so. I am pro-American…what are you? I see the new laws forcing everyone into poverty and under the thumb of our government. Tell me what you see?
The libbies feel that we are questioning their Messiah…We are not allowed to question the “Great and Powerful OB “…don’t you know that?
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
Average Joe…LOL!!!! Stop it!!!! You’re killin me!
Thank you Jopa. They are hateful aren’t they?
Naw! We just don’t think much of the Marxist/communist/socialists that have infected the good ole USofA!
Karolyn….Maybe but atleast were arent dumb sheeple ready for the slaughter!
This is the funniest column I have read in years. I have never laughed so hard at so many silly jokes. The funniest one is the notion that the government of Indonesia determines the citizenship of children who are born in the United States. According to the laugh master, if a parent takes a child of, say, six years, to the Indonesian authorities and asks that Indonesian citizenship be conferred on the child, and the Indonesian government concurs, why then the child is stripped of his United States citizenship forthwith and he can never get it back. I had never heard of this law before, so I looked it up, and sure enough, it is the R. L. amendment to the Constitution. R. L. stands for “Real Loony” or, of course, “Robert Livingston”.
David Warheit,
These right wing nuts are a joke.Take a look at this website.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/c/h/chris-_thefold/2010/08/the-real-fear-behind-gop-calls.php
Thanks for the reference, Coal Miner. That article makes it perfectly clear that today’s “birthers” stand in the very shoes that former slave owners tried to wear after the Civil War. It is interesting to note that the slave owners refused to give up until the 24th constitutional amendment abolishing poll taxes was passed in 1964, and even then the descendants of slave owners fought on. I think that we can expect no less from today’s birthers, although if a few more of them get hit with $20,000 fines such as has been imposed on Orly Taitz perhaps the legal maneuverings will die out, if not the hateful rhetoric.
David whatever
If they where to fine any one for bring up the birth issue then that just may give standing.dont ya think?
David, just a warning, coal dunnger will have you poking pins in little dolls if you continue to buy into his satanistic voodoo medicine!
Jeff H; Coalminer prints the 14th amendment and you call it voodoo medicine. Man have you flipped.
fast eddie which means nothing about nothing as it relates to this article. But I see where you would jump to defend coal dunger as you are like two peas in a pod alike.
I think they may have been spooning in that pod….they seem to be awfully cozy together….just sayin’….lol
C’mon Chubby “fast eddie” Checker, do your twist. Nobody called the 14th anything but you. Reread my comment then try again to understand what I said but without the music.
All the above are a good reading. I have read about the people claiming Pres. Obama is antichrist, but by their utterances, one cannot diferentiate their thoughts and reasoning as satanic, even though they claim to be Christians. I have read about people calling him a communist, yet they continue to exercise their right of expression as rude and offensive as they were, which is not possible in a communist government environment. If the thoughts of all these virile rude and abusive and thought-indecent people are the crops of teh likely remnants of the American political future, then their level of intellingence is something the rest of the world has to be worried about. Glad to know though, that finally, America too does have crops of political imbecilles who are dumb to underestimate the influence of an American President on the world stage. Your behaviours would have had less influence in the past, but in this information age, your actions are a ridicule to the American value. Stop cutting your nose to spite your face.
Thank you Charles. They just don’t get it.
THIS SO CALLED PRESIDENT OBAMA IS NOT A DUNHAM BY BLOOD AND HE IS A LIAR AND FRAUD AND HE NEEDS TO BE IMPEECHED.
I was wondering if Mr. Livingston knew social security numbers was given by the state in which the request for such number came from. I am sure you know this but if so just why would you think it would think it is this questioned. Are we to believe the WND site for truthfulness, if they are reporting unproven facts then they are not to be relied on for our information.
The FBI investigates every candidate for President. If this column is what you believe, just march yourself down to your local FBI office and tell them they’re liars. Let us know how that turns out.
Obama’s mother was born Nov 29, 1942. She was 18 when Obama was born. Not a minor. Also, tell us what in the US code prevents a minor parent from conferring citizenship
Ah, proof! Aside from the investigations the FBI does on every
Presidential candidate? Aside from the birth certificate Obama
published on his campaign website? Aside from the archival copy
of his birth certificate that the state of Hawaii authenticated? – twice! Aside from the birth announcements placed by the Hawaii Department of Health in two Hawaiian newspapers that were uncovered by reporters?
If all of that were false or faked, Obama would still be a US citizen,
based on his mother’s citizenship:
Title 8 of the US Code, Section 1401 includes this in the many
circumstances that confer citizenship:
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien
and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived
in the U.S. for at least five years.
Ironically, John McCain was the candidate who might not be a natural
born US citizen. The legal case is made below. But the Democrats and
Senator McCain’s Republican rivals did not make a fuss about it because of the long service of the Senator’s family to the nation and because they, unlike you, are respectful, decent people.
Legal abstract:
Senator McCain was born in 1936 in the Canal Zone to U.S. citizen
parents. The Canal Zone was territory controlled by the United States, but it was not incorporated into the Union. As requested by Senator McCain’s campaign, distinguished constitutional lawyers Laurence Tribe and Theodore Olson examined the law and issued a detailed opinion offering two reasons that Senator McCain was a natural born citizen.
Neither is sound under current law. The Tribe-Olson Opinion suggests
that the Canal Zone, then under exclusive U.S. jurisdiction, may have
been covered by the Fourteenth Amendment’s grant of citizenship to
“all persons born . . . in the United States.” However, in the
Insular Cases, the Supreme Court held that “unincorporated territories” were not part of the United States for constitutional purposes. Accordingly, many decisions hold that persons born in unincorporated territories are not Fourteenth Amendment citizens. The Tribe-Olson Opinion also suggests that Senator McCain obtained citizenship by statute. However, the only statute in effect in 1936 did not cover the Canal Zone. Recognizing the gap, in 1937, Congress passed a citizenship law applicable only to the Canal Zone, granting Senator McCain citizenship, but eleven months too late for him to be a citizen at birth. Because Senator John McCain was not a citizen at birth, he is not a “natural born Citizen” and thus is not “eligible to the Office of President” under the Constitution.
You need to look a little deeper…there ARE many sketchy issues.
Sorry, but it does NOT automatically convey citizenship as a friend of mine found out when he applied for his Social Security. He had to apply and go through the whole procedure first, and he had lived in the USA for all but the first 9 months of his life. Try to tell him he was automatically a US citizen because his father was. And he was even born on a military base which I always thought was considered American soil in a foreign country
Some people Live in a black & white world and they are so blind that they dont know that they dont know.
Its a Sickness, and they cannot help it. If its not the blanched Govt version, or so simple they cant compute it, understand it, or believe it.
They are the ones who would say Bob Ballard is a Conspiracy theorist Because he didnt accept the “official” version of the Titanic Sinking…nearly 100 years later we are still finding out things. Why? Because its our nature to be curious and get to the the Bottom Line, or explore every angle until satisfied. Those not interested in these types of details are incapable of complex problem solving involving critical thinking.
Sadly, they are the types who call an apple an apple regardless of the 20 varities out there, and then only if someone ruffles their feathers will they show their ability to distinguish between the different types. Weak minded simpletons.
All that is moot because Senator McCain is NOT the President. Mr Obama is, and that is what matters, & what needs to be clarified. Every Tom, Dick, & Harry in the US can claim to have seen a certified BC, but I haven’t. Just because someone claims to have seen a ghost, does that make them real? All this is anyway is a sleight-of-hand magic-show trick to deflect the public’s attention from what really matters-the fact that America is going down the toilet, regardless of whose “fault” it is, and Mr Obama & his minions cannot or will not do anything to stop & reverse it.
He is hiding his birthplace and the fact that he isn’t qualified to be a president of the USA or he wouldn’t spend millions to keep it all sealed. Period.
McCain was born to two American citizens, big difference.
Whether you think Obama is actually authorized to be our president, or if you are one of the people who believe he isn’t eligible to be our president; this is my suggestion. I suggest that both sides on the issue demand that Obama release all records of birth, long form with seals and doctors signature and hospital name, school records, including grammar school, high school, college, grants received, and what were the terms of the grants. Were they for foreign students or American students? All college records, all records that were generated for passports. Especially the ones that used for the trip to Pakistan in 1981. All records for Social Security number(s), what states issued and what years. What records had to be produced to enter in community organizer position in Chicago, and what records had to be produced when entering politics in Chicago. I have had many different positions in my life, sales, real estate, and education. In all these positions I had to produce many types of documents, including the ones I have mentioned here. People on both sides of this issue, the people who support the president, and the ones who do not think he is qualified for the office, should insist he either defend and clear his name. His administration was supposed to be one of total transparency, if he is innocent of negative accusations, he should produce the records the people on both sides of the issue want to see.
Exactly what the “birthers” have been saying & the “Obamanites” have been stonewalling!
BOB LIVINGSTON,WHAT KIND OF RIGHT WING WACKO IDEAS ARE YOU GOING TO COME UP WITH NEXT? YOU CONTINUE TO SHOW YOUR IGNORANCE AND MAKE YOUR FOLLOWERS DUMBER AND DUMBER!
Duh! Butch, you really told him didn’t you! Are you one of those highly educated multiple PHD liberals…you tell ‘em! Geez what a hack!
Who’s a “follower” Butch? and who’s in denial, denial, denial? I don’t consider myself dumb and I’m certainly NOT getting dumber but WAKING UP TO THIS “ANTI-AMERICAN” ADMINISTRATION that SPEND, SPEND, SPENDS with NO ACCOUNTABILITY, NO CONSCIENCE, NO BUDGETS, DEVIL-MAY-CARE ATTITUDE…It’s WRONG, WRONG, WRONG…Seriously, how DUMB can YOU be to condone this behavior? and yes the RINO’s have done just as much damage but IT IS OBAMA and COMPANY in charge for almost 2 years now. It’s their watch and we’re watching and taking LOTS OF NOTES!
Ole BUTCH is SMAAAAAAARRRRRTTTTTTTTT! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
anybody else hear about how the state department (obama) is paying the guy who is the spokesperson for the mosque they’re trying to build in nyc to go to the middle east and bring tolerance between christianity and muslimism? can’t get an answer as to how much he’s making, how much they expect his expenses to run, what his mission statement is, or how he’s to go about doing this. his 1st act was to attend a fancy dinner party at the home of a u.s. ambassadore where he spoke with some wealthy people. i’m sure those people will run home, call all their friends and relatives and push his mission. NOT!! more of our tax dollars going out the door without the permission of congress or senate and with no info available.
I don’t understand why politicians are so afraid of the truth. Obama, Bush, Pelosi, Satan(oops-I mean Cheney)-they all lied. We get involved in wars we shouldn’t and don’t fight the ones we should. We suck up to the petty dictators and don’t support the governments that share our values. What is going on when an American president bows to some petty dictator!
Getting to the point, what happens to Obama if and when it is proved that he is not a native-born citizen? Does he go to jail? Will he be immediately removed from office? Does that mean the vice-moron(oops-vice-president) becomes president?
By the way, spell-check is widely available now. Guilty parties, take note.
You have to be of at least average intelligence to know that you need to use spell-check!
I BELEIVE HE ISN’T WHO THEY SAY HE IS. MAYBE I’M WRONG BUT HE THE PROGRESSIVE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB AT HIDEING WHO HE IS AND WHY THEY MADE SURE HE WAS PUT IN THE WHITE HOUSE. HE HAS DONE MORE DAMAGE TO OUR COUNTRY IN THE SHORT TIME THAT HE HAS BEEN IN OFFICE. IS HE THE ONE TO BRING IN THE ONE GOVERNANCE AND THE ONE WORLD ORDER?
Why would the Governor of Hawaii seal access to Obama’s birth certificate? And by what authority?
I think the American people have the right to see Obama’s birth certificate and that we should DEMAND that it be unsealed and made publicly available. There is a coverup going on about Obama. Either he was not born in the US or he is guilty of fraud by accepting a scholorship for foreign students. Which is it. We all know Obama is a liar so ….
Charles, maybe it is because they are too scared, or they don’t want race riots in the streets. Or it could be that they don’t want you to see how stupid the Democrats (who were in charge of the selection process of Obama) were. Remember, the Democrats are in charge of the government at the current time. Remember, all the government enforcement agencies, like the FBI and all others are now controlled by the president. Hopefully we will get a Republican controlled Congress this November. Then maybe things will change. Let’s hope we can get some more civic minded people this November that are willing to buck Obama, and do what is right for our country. Most of the Democrats we have in Congress today will go along with everything Obama wants. I just hope he doesn’t decide to thrown our Constitution out the window. I am sure a lot of Dems would support him on this.
Let them throw the Constitution out..its only paper…REAL FREEDOM, and our Unalienable rights powered from the earth, the laws of nature, and of Natures’s God kick in.
Bitter Libertarian….you lost me there buddy!
666 ?
I am far from enamored with President Obama but there is no doubt in my mind that he was born in the United States.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
The Devil is in the Details….
Bottom Third, Lower left…its a copy and the revision of the form clearly shows this.
Its not an original. I am 43 yrs old, fairley well organized, served in the Military for 20 years moved no less then 6 times and I have my original Birth Certificate.
This is the office of the President of the USA…that “Lazer Copy/reproduction” is a Farce.
And who ois behind Fact Check… ?
I do not have an original copy of my birth certificate – what is wrong with copies??
FactCheck is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center.
Photo copy = nothing its a photo of the original.
Reproduction = fabrication.
Far more evidence that he was born in Kenya than in Hawaiii
Actually, I think the drive to come up with a birth certificate is a blind herring. It doesn’t matter where he was born IF he was legally adopted by an Indonesian – which it is apparent he was.
Dave….Maybe and maybe not but that is only one of the MANY requirements specified to be a “Natural Born Citizen”.
Ahhh… more birther nuttiness. Even Ann Coulter thinks you are nuts!
Al H, If you don’t think the “natural born citizen” constitutional requirement should be adhered to, what other parts should be trashed? “Congress shall make no law respecting…”? “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed?” Are we a nation of laws, or men?
Unfortunately, Ann Coulter has lost a great deal of credibility & respect.
There is far to much evidence to give credence to the continued questions regarding Obummer, the 9/11 controlled demolition attack on the World Trade Center and the network of lies that weaves all the people together into the Bilderberg meetings. This world is in the state it is due to one reason. A very small, wealthy, Elite group of social degenerates want it that way. They don’t want the world at peace…it’s not lucrative for it to be that way for them. They want world discord and actively work for it…so in the end they can cause a crisis that is so profound that their offered solution appeals to the masses. This solution will destroy the middle class and return the fuedalistic style government that they yearn for. This is the Elitists ultimate Agenda. The death of the average human beings rights.
Like a great game of chess, this organization has been at work for years to set up their Agenda for their New World Order. These people are truely a pack of degenerates and honestly feel they know what is best for the masses. If you look to history, take events that have happened & who the key players were…then reverse engineer backwards it is often found that they attended an earlier Bilderberg meeting.
They say that they don’t set policy. Yet, they openly admit that they created the European Union and the Euro. The are great liars and often play both sides of an issue. This give them great control over how the world events play out and helps promote their Agenda.
Who are these people that make up the Bilderberg group? I dare you to research who these people are and their history. I’ll give you a hint…they have a presence in virtually every major city of the world and operate out in plain site even though they operate in complete secrecy at the same time. How do they do this? They use a Central Bank & own all the majory media outlets and have their fingers in virtually everything else. This allows them a great deal of movement and freedom from persecution. This monetary control gives them a great deal of power but in the end…their very Karma will destroy them.
We no longer are asleep. There are powers mobilizing against them and the decline of the EU & the Euro is proof.
Don’t dispair my brothers & sisters. Patriots of the world are working to end their regime. Have faith & give your prayers to GOD for he is with us all. He resides even in their hearts though they refuse to accept him and have given their alligence to their Pagan beliefs & worship.
In the end…Good shall triumph because the divine spark that is GOD exists in us all.
Yol Bolsun.
Brother P. Everyone seems to be waiting for God to do something. It takes a David, with a slingshot, before God will guide the stone.
Bob Livingston said:
“Pakistan in 1981 was under military rule. It was difficult for U.S. citizens to travel to the country without assistance. It would have been easier for someone to enter Pakistan on an Indonesian passport”
I went to India, Pakistan and over the Kyber Pass border to Afghanistan and back in 1979, also my parents went to Pakistan up through the NW frontier and into China and back in 1991. I doubt things were much different in the interm of 1981. My parents, nor I had any problems entering nor traveling in these areas with our U.S. passport (that I got with my certificate of live birth, I have not seen, nor can I get my long form birth cert -with the feet prints- since I was a kid, and I was born at a Navel Hospital in TX!) and our WASPy American appearances. Actually the local people were generally gracious and friendly, though it was quite the Wild West there even then.
Meanwhile where is any proof that he was born in Kenya? 60% you say? A lot of stupid people in this nation…
People have the right to question just as you have the right to believe in something without proof. The difference is knowledge vs. ignorance. I choose not to be ignorant and to ask the questions. The minute someone fights to avoid the answer, that is when you KNOW you are on the right track.
WELL SAID!
There’s an old saying…..”If one person calls you a ‘horse’, you can tell them to take a hike; However, if 3 or more people call You a ‘Horse,’ then You’d better start shopping for a saddle. So for all You non-birthers and individuals who don’t believe he’s a socialist trying to dismantle our Republic, you’d better start shopping for your saddles!!!!
This is some scarey [offensive word removed]…Arnold the terminator knows he cannot be president….we have laws and rules…if he is ineligible..then let the cards fall where they may…it explains the media support for all his policies…the riots that would ensue his impeachment…well too bad we need leaders with balls…and consider me a birther and I wear that badge with honor….Think of it…Military leaders are putting there careers on the line…doesn’t that say anything to you???? wake up this country is being userped for reasons as to destroy it….Obama was a memebr of the new socialist party…the mass media has sure let me down and I will never buy another paper or watch any network news again….this clown will like the Emporer with no clothes lead the whole bunch of em off the cliff….hows that hope and change working for ya…..I still can’t find work and not for lack of trying or trying new options…since 3/2009…I have exhousted the last of any savings….maxed out all cards…all tht is left of me is foreclosure and then living on the street..my mrriage also did not survive…and this GD clown says he’s concerned about jobs….If I find out he is illegitamate I will sue this country to recoup my losses since he has bailed out everybody else. AM I bitter yeah…I guess I’m just one of thousands but I am now a bitter birtha..lol
people — don’t let your passport expire!!
that was my big mistake, and you wouldn’t believe what i’m going through to get a new one. due to the fact that my name changed more than 20 years ago, the state department requires a minimum of 6 ‘government issued’ proofs of identity using my not-so-’new’ name since before 2005. of course, i can produce all of this, but it’s a painintheass, time consuming and costly.
when i produced all 6 to the postal worker for the 4th time last week, she said they needed to be originals. wtf? they don’t send your original drivers license, social security card and tax returns, but all of my other documents needed to be ‘original’, with a ‘seal’….including my school transcript, which isn’t even a government-issued document, but acceptable. so they need ‘selective’ originals….they don’t mention all the ‘rules’ when you go there the first time.
and the kicker is that the name i use (or as they say, ‘changed to’), is ON my original birth certificate! which begs the question, “WTF?”
the other thing that frosts my cake is that 2 of my ancestors signed the declaration of independence, which would make me, by dna, a poster-child for the US — and i can’t get a passport. i feel trapped. is this part of the new plan? — make it unbearable to stay here, but impossible to leave.
grrrrrrrrrrr…………..
if only my name were ‘obama’…..fiddle dee dee…..
Regardless of whether he is or isn’t an American Citizen, if you want trust and respect from the citizens of a country you were elected to represent, you don’t start out by paying millions to several law firms to hide your identity, your background, your upbringing…as an elected offician with such a prestigous job, you open up to Americans, you earn their trust, their respect….but when you lie, manipulate and HIDE….is it a wonder we DON’T TRUST YOU OR EVEN RESPECT YOU and MOST CERTAINLY QUESTION YOU and YOUR POLICIES? When you sue a sister state for protecting her citizens from violence and murder and invasion, you show anti-Americanism and wonder why we don’t believe in anything you say anymore…ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS and this Prez’s ACTIONS SPEAK VOLUMES!
I agree.
I am so tired of listening to Barry. Let’s make him impotent by voting out Reid and Pelosi!
Where were all the bloggers at the time, this blogger who wrote this story (Chip Wood) was silent also,………”WE THE PEOPLE ARE NOW PAYING FOR OUR APETHY. Many who are now reading this article have voted for Obama,…..and if you did, you were ignorant then and will be ignorant in the future,….so let me suggust to those who did,….”QUIT VOTING YOU [offensive word removed]!!!!!!!!
Please learn to spell.
If I have said anything against Obama that was not true, I would be the first one to apologize to him publicly. I just don’t like his ideology. I know That Bush started this spending, but Obama did not have to keep kicking the can down the road further, which he has done. When is Obama going to accept the responsibility that he is in charge now? It doesn’t do anyone any good to keep blaming Bush. It is childish to do so. It has been stated that there has been more spending under Obama then under all the past presidents of this country. When your in debt, like our country, you just don’t keep on spending like a drunken sailor. Look at your own finances, if your in debt up to you chin, are you going out and borrow more money. If you do you will most likely lose you home, or anythink else you own. This debt will eventually have to be paid, and guess who will be paying the most, the younger folks, and their kids, and grandkids. They say to ruin a country you have to ruin their economy. Folks I think we are there, or nearly their. Let’s all make the proper choice on how we vote this November.
I did not like the fact that Obama would not let the “God and Country” rally have a fly over by the Air Force Thunderbirds in Nampa, Idaho honoring our military. They have done this for the last 42 years. (http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/4880710855.html)He is more willing to please the Muslim Community than the Christian Community. I would imagine that all of you would want the best for you country, but we disagree on the best solution in how to get there.
Remember when he was campaigning and refused to wear an American flag lapel pin ? Or when he refused to put his hand over his heart and say the Pledge of Alligence? I don’t know if the bastard’s a Muslim of not but I do know he’s a black nationalist.
Yeah and all decor in the White House has been stripped of the “Red, White & Blue” and replaced with Middle Eastern Decor. When he gives an oval office speech he stands in front of a yellow Arabic curtain, no longer the American Flag as all previous presidents have done. This is NO AMERICAN!
Why can’t the United States Congress demand that Obana submit his legitimate birth certificatre to Congress within 24 hours or face Impeachment Proceedings?.
Vincent, he has all the Democratic Liberals hypotized. They will do anything that he ask. We have to get those Zombies out of there this November.
Vincent:
Because he is trying to get passed the things all of the Democrats have secretly been working and hoping to get done for the last fifty years. And they aren’t going to upset the apple cart until they get all they want done. He will make the perfect scape goat if they need one and they know it. So they WANT him in power for just that reason.
they all play ball since Hillary stole the FBI data files on them.
Americans are finally waking up from their apathetic stupor but its too late. The nation is finished. Like all empires, we have had our 200 years but the party is over. We are so shot, that the best we could put up there was a Bush retread vs the wooden Al Gore or that other piece of petrified wood, John Kerry. If that wasnt bad enough, the nation didnt even care if we elected a foreigner. We get what we deserve and that is not survival as a nation.
Come to think of it, our Constitution isnt fit to exist. It either allows this overbearing, over reaching federal govt OR is totally powerless to stop it.
It has no power without the will of the people, both in politics and outside of politics, to back it with strength of numbers and guns if necessary. That is the exact reason it has the 2nd Amendment. Right now NOBODY in Washington is willing to back the Contitution in all matters.
From the Declaration of Independence;
” He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.” Figure this one out..
“He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.” Is Congress ever out of session? Voting on Sunday at 3am?
“He has erected a multitude of New offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance” = IRS, Homeland security, FEMA, health care, etc
“For imposing taxes on us without our consent”…If you consider the goons in DC actually representing us…go back to sleep
“For depriving us in many cases, of the benifits of Trial by Jury”..
Patriot Act
Theres more..but this is whats in store for us if we dont wake up ..”He is at this time transporting large Armies of Foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.”
You are quite correct – but I can’t blame Oblama alone. I think just about all politicians on a Federal level since Lincoln has done this.
I’m a Vet who served my country in uniform HONORABLY (and have my DD-214 to PROVE it) and spent 2 1/2 years in Iraq as a contractor serving with MNCI-AT/FP (Multi-National-Coalition Forces-Iraq Anti-Terrorist/Force Protection) who was constantly outside the FOB at every ECP in theater of operations. Honor is to be RESERVED & BESTOWED upon those who have served and sacrificed for our Country ONLY! I don’t know about the rest of you fellow Vets but I have had enough of these USURPERS who are destroying our country! If the November elections doesn’t get rid of the 1/3 of these bast***s….it should be noted that the following statements still apply to our SACRED OATH, which has no expiration date, which we all took when we joined our brothers and sisters at arms; “To OBEY, UPHOLD and DEFEND the CONSTITUTION of the United States against ALL ENEMIES….foreign and DOMESTIC!”
The bottom line is this America: It is time we remove these people (politicians/judges) and all those who refuse to abide by the “RULE of LAW” which by the way is; “The Constitution Of The United States” and was founded on BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES which ACKNOWLEDGES GOD as the VERY FOUNDATION of what our government is to FOLLOW!
The “ORIGINAL” Constitution also has a provision in it that states we have the RIGHT to remove a Tyrannous Government by force if necessary….It has come to the point that our government (elected officials who took the exact same sacred “OATH” that we took….to OBEY, UPHOLD, and DEFEND the CONSTITUTION) has REFUSED to follow the Law of our Land. I’m not advocating violence (at least not yet) however; I am advocating the LIBERTY to VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT….this NOVEMBER…whether they be Democrats or Republicans….Allegiance is to the “CONSTITUTION” and not to some political group, party, or person…PERIOD!
To my fellow Veterans and Active Duty Service Members: We had allowed ourselves to be placed in harms way, to fight and sacrifice for the FREEDOMS and LIBERTIES which makes the United States the greatest country in the world; this “TYRANNICAL” government is taking away from each and everyone of us those very FREEDOMS & LIBERTIES we and our families have sacrificed for. Get your heads out of the sand, STAND-UP and do something about it!
“[A] wise and frugal government … shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.” –Thomas Jefferson
“It does not take a majority to prevail…but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men. … If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!” (Samuel Adams)
“They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” (Ben Franklin)
“If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.” (Thomas Paine)
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” (Thomas Jefferson)
“When injustices become law, it is our DUTY to rebel.” (Thomas Jefferson)
“Our cause is noble; it is the cause of mankind!” (George Washington)
Barack Hussein Obama II; YOU are a USURPER! You were born at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya (Birth Certificate # 32018 on the 4th of August 1961 at 7:24 PM, 7 pounds 1 ounce, 18 inches, 6 inches width between shoulders, Attending Doctor: JAMES O.W. ANG’AWA, Supervisor of Obstetrics: JOHN KWAME ODONGO, and recorded in the Birth Register of the Coast Province of Kenya, Book # 44B Page 5733) and NOT in Hawaii as you claim which makes you INELLIGIBLE according to ARTICLE II, SECTION 1 of the CONSTITUTION to be POTUS! YOU are a TREASONOUS TRAITOR who should be TRIED as a TREASONOUS TRAITOR, CONVICTED as a TREASONOUS TRAITOR and EXECUTED as a TREASONOUS TRAITOR by a FIRING SQUAD for the CRIMES you have committed against the CONSTITUTION of the United States and against the AMERICAN People!
Signed by: A VETERAN and AMERICAN PATRIOT who has no problem in signing my name, John C. Noah…Anyone care to see photo’s of BOH original birth certificate (jcnark at yahoo dot com) which shows the Seal & his Footprint and the attending physician with his signature?
John, I agree 100%. (The execution is a bit extreme, I’d rather leave them to rot in a concrete cell)
However..to be honest-fair and Just you will have to go after Bush, Cheney, Carter, Nixon, Johnson, Regan, Ford, Bush SR, & Clinton.
They all Violated the Constitution and are all equally Guilty of Violations of the Constitution. Cant just focus on Obama, the Constitution applies to all of them.
Listen carefully, they are no longer in office, & are exempt from prosecution now that they are out of office. Mr Obama is the ONLY one that counts now.
But how can you even have a Democrat Party or a Republican Party if they HAVE to follow what the Constitution says or else? Both parties depend on tip-toeing around the Constitution to get any of their pork projects passed, etc.
The Constitution specifies only THREE functions for the government other than regulating commerce between states. And that would mean that nearly everything they are doing now is illegal.
Having served our nation during an earlier conflict (RVN) I agree with you 100%. Please post the actual link (Bob allows us to post the the actual links here).
I, like you do not condone violence, but I will not stand by and watch it being torn down by the usurpers with Socialist agenda’s. This is my country, a Republic, I will defend it against any and all who wish to destroy it…until my death.
Average Joe…. I got your back Bro! Count me in!
John C Noah
I am for all you stated and allot of people believe the same thing but have not put it as well as you thank you for your convictions and believe me when I say all of us vets are along side you when the time comes.We not look for the liberals for they shall be hiding under there blankees or running to the open borders which only makes it easier to see the blue helmets coming.I know for a fact that all service men and women will be at our sides when the time comes not at the usurper side only a vet would no that!
Noah, At last, someone else has a copy of the Kenyan certificate.
Although I can’t remember which site it was, I did read that if BHO was found ineligible to be POTUS and removed from office, all of his executive orders, appointments, and bills which he signed would become null and void. Presumably this includes his czars, the 2 new leftists on the SCOTUS, health care reform/deform and much of the unsustainable budget deficits???? Therefore I hope these so-called “Birthers” are right, and successful!!!!
Likewise, now we can see why the 2010 and 2012 elections have to be the most critical of our lifetime. Timing is critical, and perhaps after the new Congress is sworn in in January 2011 is the best time to pursue this. Hopefully the democraps won’t have the votes to push all this bad agenda through again under Biden. And if what I read is true, we can actually reverse much of BHO’s (and his democraps’) damage before 1/20/2013 – the date which I consider “HOPEFULLY THE END OF AN ERROR”!!!!!
I HOPE and would like to believe that November will make a diffference..I DO NOT. Too much power, money and Control will be lost.
Get to the source..follow the money…straight back to the FED.
It would be nice to get this corrected and all his appointments, etc. eliminated – but I don’t expect that to happen. You can’t erase two (or more) years of political activity like that. Particularly after a lot of that money has been spent or promised.
It’s like a problem with a chemical that came up some time back. It was proved – after the government allocated billions for clean-up – that there actually was not a problem. The government changed its description of a toxic chemical because of it. Now, a toxic substance is anything that can poison people – or IF THE GOVERNMENT SAYS IT IS TOXIC. The reason? If they reported that the chemical was actually safe, many people who didn’t want to spend that money would sue. And those promised the money would sue to keep it coming. So they decided to do this to prevent the court suits.
Bob Livingston says in this article:
‘However, the court system seems hell-bent on covering up any efforts at discovery. It consistently throws out lawsuits on standing and is frequently hostile to plaintiffs. Several judges have threatened lawyers and plaintiffs with stiff fines if they continue to pursue the matter.’
Hmmm … If the courts keep finding that INDIVIDUALS trying to sue the president have no legal standing to do so, what do you suppose would happen if somebody started an online petition to gather the signatures of Americans who want a lawsuit to force President Obama to disclose his real birth certificate and all other documents relevant to his eligibility to serve as our President?
At what point would the courts have to back down and say, ‘Whoa! So many people want this that we’d better acknowledge that somebody out there has legal standing to bring this lawsuit.’ Would that be with thousands of signatures of American citizens? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? A million? A couple of million? Several million? A hundred million?
If somebody’s website can get a million hits in a day, we could surely get a million signatures on such a petition.
I don’t know how to get this started and don’t have the time to find out, but if somebody reading this knows how to gather online signatures or feels inspired to find out and get the ball rolling, the word would quickly spread and people would eagerly sign up.
The major problem would be how to ensure that people don’t sign more than once, and that fake names are not used. Perhaps identifying information could be required that wouldn’t be published, and only the first initial and last name, with the person’s State of residence, would show up online.
The site could be called something like Obama Legal Standing.
Many Federal judges refuse to accept anyone (no matter how many) disagreeing with them. In fact, some are MORE likely to dismiss the case if a large number of people want to see it. And as long as he wishes to keep this hidden, he and his people can find at least one Federal judge who will dismiss any case – forcing those who start the case to start over again. That is the whole intent of this – to stall. Sooner or later, the truth WILL come out. They just want to insure it is as late as possible.
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aint that the truth!
Congress and the Court would just ignore any petition. Only direct action can solve this obamination.
There are ~350 Million US citizens in this country, you will have to come up with 3.5 million to have 1%…how many % does one need to be heard in the political process? 10% 30%,50%? 10% would be 35 million signatures…good luck, will not happen. WND (the worlds premium racist propaganda magazine) has an estimate that about 600000 people signed up for this…lol and they play this up like its a lot…its not even a middle sized town …its not even 0.2% of the people..its not even statistically significant..its NOTHING,…..its a lost cause.
Once again, the short-form Birth Certificate is a CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH, NOT a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH! Only a long-form Birth Certificate bears the title “CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH” unless it has been altered, like the later electronic one which was posted briefly on the Obama website, replacing the originally posted CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH, which was questioned. I have seen BOTH online. The electronic short-form “CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH” appears to have been altered from a CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH, and is therefore a forgery.
Don’t you people have anyone in your lives to impose a dose of sanity into your insane ramblings? Seriously, are you all surrounded by fellow-minded conspiracy theorists?
I’ll tell you what this is all about: 1.) you don’t like Obama because he’s black; 2.) see 1.). Most of you probably cannot identify one single issue that you take exception with and even if you could it wouldn’t justify the insane hatred that I see exhibited on sites like this. Hey I didn’t like Reagan’s policies much but I didn’t hate him. Disagree with me? How many of you called for Bush to release his “real” birth certificate? Or Reagan? Or Nixon? You have a problem with the budget deficit? Okay, how many of you were squawking when Bush took a budget SURPLUS and turned it into a $600 billion deficit during boom times? You people are all insane. Come on, when Ann Colter- Ann Colter!!!- says you’re on the fringe you’re REALLY on the fringe.
Well John, Some people Live in a black & white world and they are so blind that they dont know that they dont know.
Its a Sickness, and they cannot help it. If its not the blanched Govt version, or so simple they cant compute it, understand it, or believe it.
They are the ones who would say Bob Ballard is a Conspiracy theorist Because he didnt accept the “official” version of the Titanic Sinking…nearly 100 years later we are still finding out things. Why? Because its our nature to be curious and get to the the Bottom Line, or explore every angle until satisfied. Those not interested in these types of details are incapable of complex problem solving involving critical thinking.
Ever watch the History Channel, Discovery Channel, or any of the channels that show our Human nature to not buy into the official answer? So many legitimate shows that use critical thinking skills to disect an event or problem.
Sadly, they are the types who call an apple an apple regardless of the 20 varities out there, and then only if someone ruffles their feathers will they show their ability to distinguish between the different types. Weak minded simpletons.
You are wrong on my part. 1) He is half black/half white. Therefore, a white person has as much right to claim (or disclaim) him as a black person does. 2) I don’t like his health care, his cap and trade, his ‘stimulus’ package that was pure pork, his ‘amnesty’ for illegal aliens, or any of the other things I have heard him pushing for. I think all those are valid items and I further think – since I don’t like his offerings – that I have a justifiable reason to disagree with what he wants other than the fact that he’s half black.
What you are basically trying to say – wrongly – is that if anyone disagrees with him they are racist. That isn’t racism … on my part. It is racism for accusing us on YOUR part.
45 caliber…… Once again, progressives cannot deal with facts. Once you get beyond the emotional “Knee-Jerk” reaction to any subject, well, then, basically their lost puppies.
The fact is, Obama is just as must a White man as he is a Black man. A half breed if you will with no malice intended. I think on a Federal form he would check the Multi-racial box or something stupid like that.
Bottom line, progressives don’t even have enough brain power to understand that we don give a CRAP if he were PURPLE!
Lubo,
That is precisley what the turds in DC count on, Knee jerk, hopey feely reactions….rather than critical thinking and looking at the big picture from all views. Unfortunately, knee jerk reactionists out number critical thinkers by a pretty good margin.
Average Joe….Sad but VERY true!
I don’t give a hoot that Mr Obama is (half)black & considers himself to BE black (is he anti-white racist?). What I want to know is do you, and apparently millions of other Americans, support him just because he is black? One is just as wrong as the other. Look at what he has done & what he is doing, and that ought to be enough for any sane person to say it’s time for him to go before he does any more damage.
Cameron
Have you ever seen a picture of him with his shirt off? I would have to say he is more white than black so I guess that would make someone less racist wouldnt you think?plus I dont think hes black he is more indoneision which is a mixed race.
Like some of you have already said, maybe this country is getting what it deserves for voting in some one that did not have good ties to this country that sprung up from, only God where. I had never heard of Obama before he started running for president. It is just too bad that the 47 percent of the country has to bear the brunt of this economy they call Obamanomics. He did warn us aforehand that he was going to make major changes to this country. The 53 percent that voted for him didn’t ask him what kind of changes he was talking about. Is it any wonder this country is in such bad shape? People voting without check things out.
i read hundreds of comments re what a total failure the potus is and his reputed ineligibility etc etc etc. as a ret mil col it roils me to see that noone has the cojones to demand this mans records be subpoened by the house and impeachment initiated if it proves to be fallible.get off your derriers america and demand your congressional rep sobpoens his records to settle this question once and forall.the western journalism website thinks he is a muslim plant.so do i so lets do something to settle it,he has damned near ruined the country already.i dont want to live in a george soros dominated socialistic nation i will move first and i spent the best thirty + years of my life fighting for this country,ww2,kor,nam.lets save it guys.the rest of us show id proof everyday why not him.???
Robert:
People HAVE demanded just that. Some were even Congressmen. But so far nothing has come from it.
I think the real problem, for me, is the fact that Pelousy and Reid have so much power (given to them by their own Party members) that they can keep this from ever coming up. Our Congress was supposed to be 550 men and women who were individually doing what they could to help our country remain safe and grow. Instead, it seems that we have two people in charge that don’t care what happens to the country as long as they can achieve whatever they want. I’d like to see those two impeached actually more than I do Oblama. His hands would be tied if it wasn’t for people in Congress like them.
We must reverse the phony Hope And Change being forced upon us by this Marxist, America-hating, illegitimate President!
To obtain REAL HOPE AND CHANGE, we grass-roots Constitutional Conservatives, Tea Party Activists, and other true American Patriots of ALL races must UNITE! WE HAVE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND!! Get registered as Republicans in your State if it is not too late. Educate yourselves on where each candidate stands on the issues.
Vote for ONLY grass-roots Constitutional Conservatives and Tea Party candidates in the Republican Primary elections. VOTE OUT the RINOs, Country-clubbers, and Republicrats – THIS MEANS VOTE THE ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATES OUT – in the Primaries and take our Party back! Then vote for these Republicans in November and take our COUNTRY back! Investigations, likely impeachment, and possible arrest, of the current administration, and others, will surely follow!! Do the same in 2012 AND elect a REAL American Patriot for President. Only then can we fully restore this great Nation to a Constitutional Republic with a Government OF the People, BY the People, and FOR the People! YES WE CAN!
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need the latest version of Adobe Reader installed on your PC to view this .pdf file. Alaska, Arizona, Florida, and Vermont are holding their Primary Elections TOMORROW, August 24, 2010. Louisiana will be holding its 1st Party Congressional Primary Election on Saturday, August 28, 2010.
GET OUT AND VOTE!!!
lmao, go out and vote, and then what? Did you ever do your research on who is in those seats that you will be voting on? Did you ever looked into the reality of what you will be able to do even if you would be able to get all seats that are available (not likely)..I hear all those announcements of “”in November”"…yeah in November what?
You will not be able to do anything or change anything….some say they will de-fund Obama care, some say they will repeal Obama care some say this and some whine that, when the reality is ….IT WILL NOT HAPPEN…
For a few very simple reasons,
first, the Republicans will NOT commit political suicide and loose all those voters that will see a benefit and get a benefit from Obama’s reign
second, even if (by some miracle) the republicans win enough seats to control the senate what will you do? Make laws to repeal or de-fund Obama? He will just veto them and with the few extra seats you could gain you will still have NOT enough seats to overcome a veto…so you screwed
And third, I predict that if he wants to run a second term, he will win again with a comfortable majority…hard to swallow but that’s how it will be.
So by the time his terms end, Millions upon millions will benefit from his term and even though Obama care may be altered,and many of his rules be slightly changed…. they will NOT go away. Republicans are self centered greedy and criminal politicians, but they are NOT stupid…and only stupid people will commit political suicide.
If it were proved beyond all doubt that Obama is a phoney
and it was announced and published in all newsmedia .
With 88% of the blacks still believing in Obama
that would set off a confragation and a start of a war
between blacks and whites that would bloody this country
for decades.Both Democrats and Republicans know that Obama
is a phoney and they want to prevent a holocaust.They hope
the problem can be resolved at the pols.
Lot’s of luck on that.
You may be correct. But I think that the people who were supposed to vett him (Pelousy is one) should face some sort of criminal charge for not doing their job – or lying, whichever it was.
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they will be charged with treason along with all the rest
Barry never passed the smell test from the beginning. I must produce credible documentation for every transaction I make. Yet “THE ANNOINTED ONE” is above all this commoner trivia! He has not produced any credible documentation to his eligibility for President. On the other hand many credible questions have risen. Why would a man spend a million dollars to keep proper documentation from the American citizens? The only logical conclusion is he is a liar, has something to hide and cannot produce the proper documentation.
Yeah, his daddy didn’t pull any strings for him.
I agree. But I’ve seen comments by one Democrat politician who insists that Oblama thinks this is all a joke and wants everything hidden just so he can laugh at what people are trying to do to get at it. It seems a poor reason to spend $1 million plus on for me, though.
The pluralism of this man is astonishing and defining all at the same time. If he wants to be black. He’s black. If he wants to be white. He’s white. If he wants to be muslim. He’s muslim. If he wants to be Christian. He’s Christian.
BARACK OBAMA (B.O./Barry Soetoro) VOTED FOR THE POLICIES AND BUDGET LINE ITEMS THAT GEORGE BUSH ENACTED DURING HIS TERM. SO WHEN HE COMPLAINS ABOUT GERORGE W. HE IS IN REALITY COMPLAINING ABOUT HIMSELF. GEORGE W. DID NOT VOTE FOR THE AGENDA – B.O. DID WHEN HE WAS A SENATOR. ALSO, LAME DUCK PREZ CLINTON AND THE LAME DUCK CONGRESS MERGED BANKING AND COMMERCE ON THE WAY OUT THE DOOR TO CREATE THE FINANCIAL CRISIS THAT GEORGE. W. INHERITED AS WELL. THE CRISIS THAT HIS ADMINISTRATION IS BLAMED FOR INCORRECTLY.
B.O. IS A PLURALISTIC, DUPLICITOUS, NARCISSIC HUMAN BEING WITH CLIPPED SPEECH THAT ENAMORS PEOPLE W/HIS CHARISSMA. UCK. KNOWING THAT HE STARTED OUT AS A MUSLIM – THIS DUPLICITY IS ALLOWED AND PROMOTED BY THAT RELIGION – CHRISTIANS CALL IT TWO-FACED, EQUIVOCATION, ETC. THANK HEAVEN AMERICANS ARE AWAKENING TO THE TRUTH. MY BIGGEST FEAR IS THAT THE UNIONS WILL BE FORCED TO VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN – AND THEN THE NEXT AWFUL THING WILL BE 8 YEARS OF MICHELE OBAMA – BEWARE – B.O. HAS M.O. AND M.O. HAS B.O.
America is suffering from this problem of a questionable President, as well as other things, more of the consequences that is now plaguing all nations for forsaking God. Jesus in Luke 21:25 said that right before His return there would be “…distress of nations in perplexity”. The word “distress” is from a Greek word describing a condition of confinement or restriction i.e. not much leeway to do any thing. Perplexity is from a Greek word translated: “to be without resources, left wanting, be embarresed, be in doubt, don’t know which way to turn, not to know how to decide, or what to do”. Can any one truly deny that this is our predicament, and the World’s? MARANATHA.
Huh?
As mentioned above, if it comes out that Oblama is NOT offically an American citizen, it will indeed cause a chaos in Washington as they try to work out what might and what might not be legal while he was President.
What I would expect, however, is that to solve thing (particularly to the Democrats’ satisfaction) they would simply agree that what he signed would still be legal.
But I think is the real reason behind this is that there is a small portion of people who believe that it should be legal for someone who was NOT born here to be President if they become legal Americans. Like Arnold S. in California. If such an amendment was offered for the Constitution right now, it would not pass. But if they could use a non-American President as an example, it might. That would open up the Presidency to Soros or any other wealthy foreigner who might like to help his home country by coming here – which is the very reason the statement is a requirement in the Constitution.
Blah blah blah- all you people ever do is make outlandish statements about what a disaster this President is, how he hates America,is a socialist, a Marxist, etc. etc. Missing in all of this blather is any specific example- give me just one policy of his that you feel shows he’s an America-hating socialist. Just one. I’ll try a few for you: 1.) the deficit? Hmm, it was $600 billion in 2008 under Bush and most economists agree that even if Bush stayed in office (heaven help us) it would have been at least $1.2 trillion in 2009 due to the economic collapse. 2.) the bailouts? Again, initiated by Bush and supported by McCain during the election; 3.) health care- now here’s an issue that people have legitimate concerns about- only Mitt Rodney implemented essentially the same system in Mass. and- agree or disagree with him- nobody claimed he was an America- hating socialist/Muslim. 4.) Afghanistan/Iraq- his policies are virtually identical to Bush/McCain (at least with respect to where we are right now). So then, what’s left people? Name ONE policy that makes Obama an America-hating socialist? Let me spare you the trouble of actually thinking, because you won’t be able to. The fact is your collective hatred of Obama is irrational and founded on something that has nothing to do with his political or economic policies.
Hopefully that hate is fringe haters.
They hate everyone.
Socialism: a method of government where the citizens own the means of production & distribution, and the power of administrative control is vested in the government.
Communism: a system of social organization based on the holding of property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
Take your pick. Which is he, Socialist or Communist? He sure as God made little green apples isn’t a Capitalist!
He DID promise Joe the Plumber that he was going to “spread the wealth around”, didn’t he?
The problem is…it isn’t “his” wealth that he is spreading around now…is it? Another of those “Do as I say, not as I do” kind of guys….
Fascist, would be closer to the truth.
fas·cism [ fá shìzzəm ] Audio player
1. dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism.
Sound familar?
Average Joe…Pretty darn descriptive now isn’t it!
I still didn’t see where Obama is an America hater only an opinion.
Does Obama hate America?
If al-Qaeda, the Taliban and the rest of the Looney Tunes brigade want to kick America to death, they had better move in quickly and grab a piece of the action before Barack Obama finishes the job himself. Never in the history of the United States has a president worked so actively against the interests of his own people – not even Jimmy Carter.
Obama’s problem is that he does not know who the enemy is. To him, the enemy does not squat in caves in Waziristan, clutching automatic weapons and reciting the more militant verses from the Koran: instead, it sits around at tea parties in Kentucky quoting from the US Constitution. Obama is not at war with terrorists, but with his Republican fellow citizens. He has never abandoned the campaign trail.
President Pantywaist’s world tour in 2009, he was cosying up to all the bad guys, excited the ambitions of America’s enemies. Here, they realised, is a sucker they can really take to the cleaners. His only enemies are fellow Americans. Which prompts the question: why does President Pantywaist hate America so badly?
eddie47d,
I might help you to see …if you had your eyes open.
The truth is out, when will this phoney be out also?
The paperwork on his foreign exchange student funding in CA is a matter of court records.
This phoney has hurt, race relations in this country, to
the point of backsliding twenty plus years.
barry has hurt his religon-muslin-at least as much as the
two planes that hit the WTC.
Thank God the loss of life has not been equal, YET.
What in God’s name are you talking about? Why don’t you people try speaking your comment out loud first so you can hear how nutty they sound. Once again, I’ll ask: give me just ONE policy that Obama has implemented/championed that proves he’s an America-hating socialist/Muslim. Just one people- shouldn’t be too hard given all the venom spouted on this site.
See my reply to you above, if you’ll take the blinders off long enough.
John Silver,
You seem to have that “Deer in the healights” look on your face….Huh?…..SPLAT!
I still think Bush is Muslim.
He was good friends with the Bin Ladins.
9-11 went down on his watch even after he was warned.
He bankrupted America with his tax cuts and wars.
This site draws Left-wing nuts like a garbage pile draws flies!
In Captain Pamela Barnett v. Barack Obama, et. al., District Court Judge David O. Carter, on Oct. 29, 2009, granted the Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss, because the Plaintiffs didn’t specify how and why the President should be removed from office. They just argued that Obama shouldn’t be in office because of his lack of citizenship.
The Constitution, Art. II, Sec. 4 reads: “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”
The lawsuit should have called for the Impeachment of the President for falsification of his citizenship status. The Plaintiffs are planning to appeal this decision but surely the Appeals Court would affirm the lower court decision.
Could someone just post a reward of 1 million dollars to the doctor that delivered Barry, wouldn’t that resolve this!
On the Kenyan certificate, over “Name of Attending Doctor” is the name: James O. W. Ang’awa.
HE IS A DEFINITE USURPER THE MEDIA IS COVERING THIS UP AND SO IS THE GOVERNMENT
FACT!!!
The story states that 100 to O, the US Senate voted not to convict Clinton. In Clinton’s impeachment trial, 55 senators voted not guilty, and 45 voted guilty on the perjury charge. The Senate also acquitted on the charge of obstruction, with 50 votes cast as not guilty, and 50 votes as guilty, with 66 votes necessary to convict. It wasn’t 100 to none for acquittal. This is the easiest of the misstatements and falsities contained in this article to refute, but the rest are equally bogus. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no one is entitled to their own facts. When someone who looks at facts and tries to discuss them is accused of drinking Kool Aid by those who have only opinions based on who knows what premise or mistaken set of belief, we are in a sad place. The past is relevant where the Ship of State is concerned because the polices of the last administration have to be carried on by the present one until they can be changed. George Bush got us into two unfunded wars, greatly increased the size of the Federal Bureaucracy, created an unfunded Medicare Drug plan, and handed out tax breaks all with borrowed money. He vetoed no spending bills, and a surplus became a deficit. Yes Obama has increased the deficit, but there are many who feel that it should have been increased even more to get us out of the current recession. The Constitution is threatened more by the ignorance of those who do not understand complexity, and only are willing to listen only to information that confirms their own bias, than it is by those who actually try to do something for the country. The party of No has cynically calculated that if everything is opposed, they can regain power from the resulting chaos. A start in the process of getting this country back on tract would be to have everyone start paying attention to the real issues confronting our nation, and not getting sidetracked by silly issues like birth certificates.
Your own biases have clouded your objectivity. We need a whole new, fresh bunch of people in Washington, but first they must demonstrate that they actually know & understand what is written in the Constitution.
“in the two short years The POTUS has been in office, he has not only more than doubled the national debt,”
Oops! Your ignorance is showing! The national debt in 2008 was $10.6 trillion and it is now $13.4 Trillion. Not even close to double, but yes a lot more. But then Pres. Obama inherited 2 wars and a nation headed for another great depression. the stimulus plan was approved by the US Chamber of Commerce – not a liberal organization.
And, we’re not even close to becoming a socialist country. The gov. is selling it’s shares of GM and the banks are paying off the TARP.
Finally, every court after looking at the evidence has ruled in favor of Obama being a citizen. Sorry, the dream dies hard, but you can’t suddenly thrown out the votes of millions of Americans because you don’t like the president of the US.
But we can vote the bastard out in 2012
Check for “666″‘s. Only “Satan” could cook up such a perfect cover.
You people are laughable!
The duly-elected President of the White Estates of Amerika is an American citizen, born in Hawaii.
He is not a Marxist, not even a Socialist, but a middle-of-the-road Democratic Capitalist, as bent on continuing the ugly Amerikan Empire as any other occupant of the White Guy’s House.
Most of you never thought you would see the day when you were led by a Black president—that’s fair, neither did I.
Race is the problem YOU creeps have. To prove it, here are a couple of clear indicators of your race bias:
When Rep. Joe Wilson screamed, “You lie!” during the State of the Union address those of you who did not cheer Wilson sat quietly as years of SOTU protocol fell by the wayside. But if a representative, ESPECIALLY a Black one, had stood and cried, “You lie!” when acting-President Bush ordered 5000+ young Amerikan mercenaries to their deaths in Iraq, you cretins would have lost your minds. Black/White. You people should actually crawl on your hands and knees to the door of every family that lost a loved one in this ill-considered war and ask for forgiveness. Oh, wait, I forget, you people LOVE to see dead mercenaries—it means Amerika is strong when our young lie in bloody heaps. You should be ashamed!!
Another example: You will not even applaud your president for keeping his word and pulling the last FULL combat brigade out of Iraq (where you Fright Wingers sent them to murder, rape, and then die). This, the President did ahead of schedule—trying to save our mercenaries by bringing them home–and all we hear from you neo-conartist Nazis is that he is a non-citizen Muslim—wrong!
You try to mask your racism by spouting non-issue epithets— “Marxist” “radical” “non-citizen” etc., but the truth is, you just cannot stand a Black man in the White Guy’s House.
This country is a whorehouse. We are the WORST evil empire ever, worse in fact than the Nazis. We were born of theft and genocide (Our Man-infest Destiny makes the Nazis look like Campfire Girls. Our troops (your stupid ‘heroes’) rape and murder schoolgirls in front of their families and then murder the families! Our troops eat Hate and Dishonor. I feel bad for the families when they get blown up or shot, but I don’t feel too bad for the soldiers–they are mercenaries–they are paid to kill and get killed. Oh well… Just like the Crips and the Bloods.
Alex, since you seem to hate & despise our country so much, let me be the first to offer you a paid one-way ticket to the country of your choice, & I’ll even pay the fees to help you denounce your American citizenship & become whatever you want. There’s only one catch: you can never go “home” to the US, ever again. I’m waiting, but not for long, because I don’t waste my time on fools.
Alex: As the father of one of those “mercenaries” I notice you know a lot about BO. Are you his afterbirth?
At least you show the sense to label your child a mercenary—-I will pray for her or his safe return.
mercenary is your word. Actually he is a Special Forces officer. Merc fight for money, soldiers fight to keep our country free so blow-hards like you can spout off. The sheep never want the sheep dog around until the wolf shows up.
All of you who have read and posted here: I sent an e-mail to Bob Livingston with the PHOTO’s of Barrack Hussein Obama II “Original” birth certificate and supporting documentation….Why not ask him to post it on his website for EVERYONE to SEE….or is he too, just like the LIARS and SUPPORTERS of those Lies? The ball is now in YOUR COURT Bob!
As a fiend of mine says:
Truth is hate to those who hate the TRUTH!!!
Sure seems to be a lot here who will do anything and say anything without being EDUCATED in the TRUTH! Which only goes to proove their IGNORANCE and HATE for the TRUTH….my friend is right!
Noah, I second that. Just above the American Free Press picture of the Kenyan certificate, reads: “IS THIS THE EVIDENCE ‘BIRTHERS’ ARE LOOKING FOR?” I see no reason why it can’t be shown here.
Photo’s? Wow, that sure make it conclusive…I have photo’s of an Elephant riding a Hummingbird…really I do…should I email those to Bob too?
The following is from politifact.com. They did all the work and came up with the FACT that the Pres. is a citizen. You people just cannot accept the fact that somebody you hate is our President. You will grab onto anything the conservative media will feed you no matter what it says. “Fuel the paranoia” should be their mantra. The President should not have to prove his citizenship. why should he have to answer lies coming from the conservative media? Yes, he is above that. He is the President of the United State – get it? So there! nya, nya, nya.
“And there’s the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible.
But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.
There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion that the candidate’s name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic.
And that’s true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.”
Politifact …. is a MAINSTREAM HACK group. Their main dish is mis-information.
Komrade Karolyn, greetings! We will stop hating Mr Obama when YOU stop hating Mr Bush. Deal? I didn’t think so.
Cameron, I don’t hate anybody. We are all borthers. I just think Bush is a jerk.
Before you jump on it, I meant “brothers”.
Unfortunetely Cameron will not stop hating Obama so his comment was pointless.
I have and will be keeping the only film of Our President’s birth in a humble village on the Plains of Kenya. Although the birth was at night and the film was subsequently poor, you can tell that the woman was white and all the mid wives and about two dozen other onlookers were black as BP tar balls and had no idea what to do with a white woman giving birth. Most just wanted to see a white woman with her britches off. So, there was a lot of excitement in the air.
Bets were being cast as to how white the baby Obamie would be once he arrived and they washed and oiled him down. The traiditional witch doctor was there rubbing mud, herbs, and hippo oil on the mother to be while chanting the usual African nonsense. All the village elders were attending wearing the damnest hats that you ever could imagine. Obamie stuck his head out, looked around, and made a five minuit speech. Not too bad for a new born. Everyone fired their spears into the dark night air. Being new born, Obamie was just about white with blue eyes. The village clown or jester won the bet on his coloration saying he would be as white as his future lies. The elders wanted to name the little white boy Jesus after reading some Zebra guts that told them his place in the world as a grown man. They sobered up enough to remember they were Muslims and named him Barrack after the building where he was whelped and Hussein after the last fifty males to pass trough the village. Everyone agreed. Since money had exchanged hands, someone broke out some dice. A great deal of gambling took place with attendant drinking. The proud father boasted of his conquest of the white race one woman at a time. Ole granny Obama got wound up real tight on bean beer and goat milk white Russians. She proclaimed that her new grand baby would be president someday. The drunk daddy chimed in President of the USA or I’m just a wood and water fetching African. A powerful foot stomping dance broke out to the tune of Obama 2008 we can’t wait.
Two days passed before the whole village recovered. Obamie’s birth thereby caused the births of ten better children to go unnoticed and unheralded which was a good predictor of his future. No birth certificate was issued. However, some notches and a date were carved into a large tree in the center of the village.
Damn! I want to see that hilarious comedy. No wonder it is difficult to see with all the trash in it (mammy & g-mammy).
They weren’t no trash and truck such as dat. They was just having a good time creatin O’President #44. I was hoping for some offers, $$$, for the film rather than a Siskel and Ebert type evaluation. However, Michelle O as the new Obamie Mammy has a nice tonal quality to it. I think Mr. Pres needs to have a few more children by someone other than the Amazon wife. She scared poor ole Bush. The spawn are rather plain. I thinking he could do the country real service and produce another Halie Berry or Barry whatever that top cat girl’s name was. Make any Tom Cat meow. I think she is taller than Mr. President Obama and Pres. Bush who was taller than our current Pres., I guess. She may wear the pants. If they all were wearing high heels, I am certain of it. Why do we never see the Presidents’ feet. That is a conspiracy. Are they alien? Would the feet give them away? I think Yes and Yes.
da feets be cloven hoofs
BL quote:
“All this proves is that the elitists who shape messages are a clique interested not in seeing that the U.S. Constitution is upheld, but in maintaining their power and protecting their own. This was demonstrated once before, when the House of Representatives voted to impeach Bill Clinton for lying to a grand jury, but the Senate voted 100-0 not to remove him.”
Since Day One, of this little slice on the 3rd Rock, THIS has been the entire problem with achieving REAL (and lasting) freedom(s) from Mercantilist’s Tyranny…
Mercantil-ism: now known as Corporat-ism.
Hamilton was the Ring Leader back in the beginning. He was extremely instrumental in saddling our New Country with a Central Bank, and the bogus idea that DEBT CREATES CREDIT.
Part of it is our own fault. It takes investors in Government Bonds to help get a Country rolling, when it has no real backing to create its own DOLLAR, back then in the late 1700′s. The Investors knew the Politicians were righting Laws that would benefit them first, and the Country second… it’s how the Corporate State works. Even then, vigilance was a scarce quantity in HUGE demand. What the people don’t know won’t hurt them?
Quote:
“According to WND, Obama was either 5 or 6 years old when he traveled to Indonesia. This is important because if Lolo Soetoro adopted him at age 5 then he would have automatically become an Indonesian citizen. The law differed for children aged 6 and up and an adoption for a 6-year-old would have had to take place through legal channels.
And, the Obama-supporters scream…. uh-huuuuh! If no legal channels were demanded by the Indonesian Gov’t, then he was most likely FIVE (or they lied abuot it, to avoid the hassle). Very, very muggled.
As for John C. Noah, and many others who think they’re being quiet chic with their banter….
Google these two words — Bombshell, Obama
(To not follow thru, is to admit you prefer blissful ignorance)
REMEMBER THIS – except for the COLB, there is NO evidence (John C)…. no evidence, so emailing your “photos” is a complete waste of Bob’s time and everyone else’s. The evidence presented by the Obama crowd – meaning the CFR – was proven as hacked paperwork, as false as what Dan Rather tried to get away with on ol’ Dubya. We’d all appreciate it if eveyrone knocked that routine off… seriously.
GOOGLE THOSE TWO WORDS…..
I’ve read a lot of these notes. When Obummer put his feet upon the desk that was given to this country (All os us) as a gift from England, he showed us his true COLOR. That did it for me. He’s got a lot of misplaced brain cells. He has no respect for government property or anyone, unless he can use them to get his devius job done. I watched a movie that said he is a puppet used by the Bildeburg group. They want One World Order, One Leader & One Bank. Canada, United States & Mexico would be one without borders with one currency. They say the currency will be called the AMERO and it’s already being printed. It’s easy to see that some of the moves he’s been making point in that direction. It’s looking bad.
Goddam hypocritical racist moron: President Barack Obama is not the first President to put his feet on that desk in the White Guy’s House. Go cry to your mama, ignorant baaa baaaaa baaa non-thinker.
Go suck a rotten egg. He may not have been the first PRESIDENT to show his disrespect for the desk in OUR office, but he did it & that’s all that matters now. Past Presidents are just that, past. Mr Obama is here & now, & he is another first, like it or not. If America’s voters have the sense God gave a goose he’ll be a last, too.
I realize it is hard to do sometimes (with some people having no clue, hate filled and downright stupid statements)…if you really want to piss them off…kill them with kindness…try not to stoop to their level of intelligence ( they are trying to bait us into saying something that they can use against us)….try to be humble and allow them to rant and make fools of themselves…trust me…they don’t need our help….they do it quite well on their own. Sometimes it is not the message. but rather how we deliver the message that determines whether or not the message is heard and understood. (I won’t deny that I have been guilty as well, but I try not too more often than not). I do understand the frustration of dealing with people that don’t or won’t be civil…we just have to bite our tongues and attempt to rise above them.
Peace
Joe: you’ll need a big ladder.
“Goddam hypocritical racist moron”,
Hmmm….I just re-read the post and found none of the above mentioned things anywhere in the post. Could it be that you are the one that IS all of the above? I would have to vote guilty on this issue…guilty on all three counts (hypocrite, Racist and moron).
All you are doing is attempting to Race bait in order to illicit a response…so that you can say “see….those conservative are racists”…So sorry to disappoint you.
Most of us could care less about color….you on the otherhand, I have my doubts about ( seems race is all you care about). Did you know that “white” people don’t get up every morning , sit around the table and talk about what they are going to do today…to keep the black man down?
Nope, they could actually care less….they would just like to get through another day on the job, spend time with their loved ones and enjoy just being alive.
People like you however wake up with racism on your mind….”whitey be holding us down…gonna mess him up”. Just so you know, the only one holding you down….is you. How about taking responsibility for your own life and stop blaming everyone else?
Please don’t tell me about what happened 100 years ago…not even what happened 40 years ago ( we weren’t around then or were just children and certainly did not own slaves)..it has no relevance to the here and now. Pick yourself up and do something responsible with your life.
If you want to be treated as an equal…try acting like an equal. If you want to end racism…stop bringing it up….we can all forget…if allowed to do so.
I got to agree with you Average Joe. Keep up the good fight!
Talk about racist!
Why do you assume that I am Black?
Alex,
First of all, I didn’t assume anything…maybe you are the one ASSuming.
If I were to assume, could it be because of this comment?
“President Barack Obama is not the first President to put his feet on that desk in the White Guy’s House.”
Again, you are trying to bait…this fish ain’t biting.
My comments were : People like you….no color there. The only one holding you down….no color there.Nowhere in my post did I identify you as being black…just the attitudes of people like you.
What makes you assume that I am not black? IS it because I took the time to educate myself (something that apparently didn’t do)?
I would venture to say (since you brought it up)that you are either black or or upset that you weren’t born black, since you show obvious distain (by your comment above) for the white race.
Have a nice day….Education…get some.
BTW, to set the record straight…I am not black,white or any other race…I am however, a member of the human race.
I just wanted to make some corrections in my post….Sorry,I just woke up.
(something that *you oapparently didn’t do)…*disdain
Dang, two things I really hate…growing old (the eyes and fingers don’t work like they used to) and mornings…. before a cup of wake me up.
Alex..talk about racist….you need help. I’ll pray for you that you can find peace in your black heart. May God Bless and keep you and grant you forgiveness and freedom from your own torment.
was that before or after he insulted England by sending the bust of Winston Churchill back; a gift to JFK ? Or was that after he made his 57 States in the Union speech ?
Good grief.
Hey Bob wire- if you have something intelligent to say, we are all on the edge of our seats.
He is just doing the job his worldly bosses put him here in the US to do. Socialize, racelize and muslimize our Great Nation.
I have no doubt that after he leaves office it will be “discovered” that he was legally able to hold the title of President -
My main thought has always been is that if he is legally able to be President – why shouldn’t his proper identification have been shown all along? To not provide this info seems to indicate he is not legally able to be President of the U.S. -
If Hillary can’t recall what she did with her Whitewater records, WHILE THE RECORDS WERE IN THE NEXT ROOM, I wouldn’t be surprised what is found that was “lost”.
I heard on the news today that Mitch McConnell said he is taking the President’s word that he is a Christian. Wonder what he has up his sleeve besides his arm.
Claire, I posted earlier that I had personally heard Obama say he was a Muslim as he was being interviewed by George Stephanopoulos. This was in the summer before the last presidential election. You can be assured that he is as Muslim. I am sure that all of this will eventually come out when Obama is voted out of the presidency in 2012. I am a 72 year old reputable person of sound mind who wants to see fairness and honesty within the government. We currently do not have that now. I vote for the person, not the party, so it is not as if I am against Obama because he is a Democrat. I don’t think a Muslim would have the best interest of a Chistian Country in mind.
wayne– I am not condoning that he is a muslim, and I will add that I do not care for the muslim religion. But that is a subject I won’t go into right now. Religion is and should be a personal preference. It really should not be brought into government unless of course the religion is subversive. Regarding the best interests in/for America–what politician do you know really cares about America and not his/her own agenda? Sure, they give their meaningless speechs, bash the other guy, but what is their agenda? I never hear them say what they will DO if elected. Sorry, but at this moment I do not have much faith, if any, in the politicians that are plaguing America.
Claire, I am sure you know that Iran is a Muslim Country. Have you heard that they are going, or have, maybe, bury a lady up to her waist, and then stone her to death because she committed adultery. Would you want that kind of law (Sharie Law) for our nation? I don’t want to take a chance having a president that even entertains that way of life. I know what I see, that Obama favors the Muslim Culture (Islam Religion) over the Christian Folks. Being retired I have a lot of time on my had to listen, and to watch what is going on. Being we are a Christian Nation I want some one that as least believes in God to lead us. People are voting for their particular Congress person, but they do not follow up on how they are voting on important issues that effects this nation. Yes! I agree, we have had some very bad Republicans over the years. I deplore them as well. I vote for the person, not the party. This year it seems that the Democratic Party has let us down by voting for everything Obama wanted for this country. I don’t believe they will get the “Cap & Trade” bill passed that Obama still wants though. If you don’t know about this one, Google it. Hallelujah, that bill passed through the Pelosi House, but the Senata never voted on it. If that bill had passed you would, by Obama’s own admission, see your power bills increase by 50% to 75% more. Obama referred to it as your power bills would skyrocket. Would you want that? Plus everything you purchase would go up in cost since everything is made using electricity. I have given this issue serious consideration. I believe that Obama has set out to intentionally destroy out country, or he does not have enough common sense to see what is happening. He does not care what the majority of the people in this country wants. He ramrods every thing through this Democratic Congress without any transparency, or regardless of the consequences. All the damage he has caused will eventuallly come out, and the results will not be good for this country. I do not listen to what Obama says, I watch what he does, and I don’t like what he is doing.
Wayne– I edit mauscripts for a living–textbooks on the behavioral sciences, education and special education, some medical science, and criminal justice/law enforcement. These books are used in colleges and universities all over the US and in foreign countries. I have edited numerous books on terrorism. I know all about the Muslim religion and their practices. It is not a religion, to me it is a cult. I have posted my opinions about this many times before. I do not approve of the muslims’ beliefs. I do not approve of a mosque being built anywhere near Ground Zero. If one is to be built, let them build it on Alcatraz. And now the first muslim college has opened in California.
I support our soldiers, I do not support this war. This war was promoted by the Republicans as well as the Democrats. And I will say Obama voted against it. However, he should have gotten our soldiers out earlier, like he promised. I am concerned about the illegals situation. All administrations have dragged their feet on this problem-they always left it for incoming administrations to take care of and now it has reached the boiling point–Obama is the one that has to make the decision. I hope it is the correct one, because the illegals have to go. I want our soldiers home and they need jobs, a place to live, and we must make sure our soldiers and their families are taken care of first and foremost. As far as I am concerned our soldiers are the ones that have made the ultimate sacrifice, not us.
At this time, I do not support either party. I have said many many times before, both parties have caused this mess America is in. This has been going on for years and years. America has been in a steady decline and I cannot and will not blame it on one party. I have been a registered Republican for over 30 years now, and I voted for the Bush guys —both times–but with this last election I voted for Obama. There, I said it. Now everyone can crucify me but rest assured I can take care of myself.
I do not approve of the way this administration is handling the issues at hand. I do not care for the people Obama has surrounded himself with. But neither do I approve of the Republicans. They all scream about the Constitution, how many of them are really honoring it? Take a look at how many elected politicians have tried to amend the Constitution. Many many times. I have reached an impassse, I am disgusted with the lot of them.
Wayne:
My electricity bill has been climbing for several years. It increases with each passing year, same with my gas bill, same with gas for the vehicles. My real estate taxes go up every year, at my home here and on my property in the country. I have REA in the country and it is awful. Prices have been going up or several years now and it will only get worse.
as to the stoning part; can i volunteer my ex-wife?
First of all, I want to make this absolutely clear–I am not siding with the Obama administration, and I am not siding with the RINOs.
But I would like to make the comment that this article is just another reason why there is so much hate and dissent in America today. It is simply another attempt to stir the pot and keep Americans in a turmoil and keep everyone bashing each other. There is the far right wing blogs and the far left blogs and each one contributes to the goal of half-truths, half-lies, inuendos, with their main goal being to keep the hatred going. What on earth happened to unbiased journalism, what happened to the trustworthy commentators, the journalists that used to be “trusted” to give the news in an reputable manner? I have never seen so much hate in my entire life. I am sick of the propaganda. It was not nearly this bad during the Bush eras.
I try to watch the news, and each channel/radio brings up the race factor. To me, these channels are keeping the racisim alive. They all know what they are doing. They are only promoting more hatred, and pushing for “their” favorite party. Hell, if my dogs could talk, I bet they would agree with me.
If Obama did not have an official birth certificate I do not think he would be in office. I would think someone somewhere would have come up with something to prove otherwise. This has not happened. Some weasel would have taken money to prove or disprove the birth certificate. And I think the Republicans would have left NO STONE UNTURNED to find out.
I will also add that neither party is without their share of lies and deceit. They all have contributed to this economic chaos and the mess America is in.
It is a valid question that requires a honest answer.
If in fact he has nothing to hide, then why not just release the documents when they were first requested?To argue otherwise would be foolish.
After almost two years of requests ( plenty of time to forge the documents, [ if needed] I might add), still nothng released.
As you pointed out, this is dividing us more and more. So why did he not do the right thing and just release them?Could it be that he “has” something to hide, or could this division be what was intended from the beginning? Racism was was being talked about less and less before the election. Now it seems that racism is (supposedly, as reported by the MSM) the only reason everyone disagrees with his policies (completely untrue).
Divide and conquer:
Divide and conquer (derived from the Latin saying Divide et impera) may refer to:
Divide and rule, in politics, sociology and economics, a strategy to gain or maintain power
Defeat in detail, in warfare, a tactical maneuver to efficiently deal with a numerous opponents.
Does that sound familiar? Ponder upon it for a bit.
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts …. absolutely
Yes, power corrupts. Most definitely. But I still hold to my thought that I would think the Republicans would have come up with something? Unless they are part of the scheme? I have seen posted birth certificates, whether they were real, I don’t know. But now it is too late. Even if Obama posted a bona fide birth certificate one would believe it now This issue is too far gone.
Unless they are part of the scheme? …Tah dah! You just hit the purvibial nail on the head….if they have an “I” in their title (incumbant)…vote the “I’s (idiots)out of office in November…
Next, with each election after that…repeat the proccess. Do not let them get entrenched again (regardless of party)…No entrenchment…less damage to this Once great nation.
Average Joe– I will not vote for any incumbant. But where will we find all of these decent, honest politicians to vote for?
Claire,
Yes, we may get another batch elected that do the same ole Washington dance ( we are human…we make judgement mistakes)…which is why I said “Next, with each election after that…repeat the proccess”. The key is to keep them from getting entrenched in lifetime politics….because once they are entrenched…it becomes an issue of power and corruption. (screw the people… what’s in it for me?) One term…vote them out!
Can you think of any other reason that they won’t set term limits for themselves?…..Power and corruption.
One of my favorite quotes is from Daniel Webster.
There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters”
— Daniel Webster
“no one” would believe it now….
Too far for you maybe, but the majority of Americans don’t give this issue a thought.
Karolyn,
Your statement may or may not be correct, if it is correct…then maybe that is the problem…..”Apathy” on the part of people like yourself. Just go with the flo…question nothing…after all our elected officials are incapable of lying, cheating stealing or any other dishonest practice …right? I’ll just bet that you have a fox guarding your henhouse, right? Is this your motto? “The mind is a terrible thing to have. Help us stamp it out in our lifetime”
Education…get some.
If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.
Karolyn–If the majority of the people do not give the birth certificate a thought, why are so many still harping about it? The fact is, if the actual birth certificate was posted for all to see– a lot of people would not believe it. They don’t want to. This is why the issue is meaningless now. There are a lot of people that think Obama is not a US citizen. They aren’t going to change their minds.
The sheep don’t want the watchdog around until the wolf shows up. The wolf is in the house, the White House.
Claire – You’re just all listening to yourselves. That’s why you think it’s such a big deal. If you would listen to someone else for a change, you might actually see a different side.
Karolyn–Please re-read my post. The point I was trying to make is—it does not matter if the real birth certificate was posted online for all to see–there are people out in there that DO NOT want to believe he has a bona fide birth certificate. They don’t want to believe it is real. This issue has been pounded into everyone’s head for a long time. The internet and these blogs keep the issue alive and well. The MSM and radio entertainers harp about it. It doesn’t matter if the issue at hand is about a birth certificate or any other situation. It is propaganda at its finest. Heck, a person could even call it brainwashing.
Gotcha Claire. You’re absolutely right.
Joe; Why would you imply a dividing statement like “forging the documents” and “schemes” if you’re not trying to turn people against Obama.
The statement was meant to show that “If” he had just released the documents when first requested, the issue would have been resolved (two years ago) and we all could have “moved on” at that point. After Two years, the documents have not been released (which is the cause of the discourse at this point). It has the apperance of “something to hide” and that “no documents actually exist” to prove elligibilty. No matter what he does at this point (release or not) it wil still fuel the debate as to whether or not any documents released are in fact genuine.
As for the “Scheme”..if you read the statement above mine, you would have realized that the comment was a quote from the above post…and that I was addressing that statement.
Average Joe, you’ll have to forgive fast eddie, he’s just a bit slower than your average liberal.
JeffH,
Dang…they get even slower? That’s pretty bad…when you consider that the average “Libby Von Schtoop” can have an argument with a rock….and lose……lol
Can I recommend to everyone to read a great book by David Limbaugh titled “Crimes Against Liberty”.
In Crimes Against Liberty, David Limbaugh issues a damning indictment of President Barack Obama for encroaching upon and stripping us of our individual and sovereign rights. Laying out his case like he would a criminal complaint, Limbaugh presents the evidence—count-by-count—against Obama. From exploiting the financial crisis for political gain, to restricting our personal freedoms through invasive healthcare and “green” policies, to endangering America with his feckless diplomacy and reckless dismantlement of our national security systems, Limbaugh proves—beyond a reasonable doubt—that Obama is guilty of crimes against liberty.
American voters might have been naïve when they went to the polls in 2008. Was This the Hope and Change America Voted For?
Socialized healthcare? A foreign policy of abasement to our enemies—and hostility to our friends? Bailouts upon bailouts? “Stimulus spending” that’s really pork-barrel spending on steroids?
The O’man’s presidency is ambitiously unraveling the Constitution, actively rooting out American traditions and values, and most of all, committing crimes against American liberty.
Obama’s offenses against the rule of law (including the administration’s blatant pursuit of race-based justice)Violations of the public trust (including Obama’s Chicago-style bully boy tactics to protect and advance the administration’s cronies)Abuses against the private sector (including how the Obama administration is removing any limits to federal power)Crimes against good governance (including Obama’s mania for secrecy after getting elected on promises of transparency)Betrayals of the national interest (including the administration’s gagging of honest discussion of the threat of radical Islam)And much, much more.
I also recommend his website for valuable and insightfull commentary and information.
http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/index.html
Stupidity knows no limits. Obama’s birth certificate has been available on the web for three years and has been validated by the state of Hawaii.
If you watched Bob Schieffer (my hero) on Sunday, you would understand that web posts need at least cursory editing and validation.
The morons who believe these things should be deported to Yemen. (My opinion, not Bob’s) They have no clue where Yemen is, anyway.
Best regards,
Doug
Were you born plain dumb, or did you take college courses to reach your current level of stupidity? Before you go spouting, as if you know what you are talking about, you best read up on the the whole situation, dougie. I would send it to you in Picture Page format, but I still think that wouldn’t get through to you- sounds like you have sucked so much kool-aid that you wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you in the a$$. FACT- at the time of obummer’s birth, it was entirely possible for a child NOT born in the USA, and NOT eligible to be a citizen, to obtain the same piece of paper obummer has shown everyone. What you don’t seem to get through that thick head is the fact that by Hawaii law, ALL babies born in a hospital in Hawaii MUST have a certificate issued by the hospital and SIGNED by the doc that delivered the baby. That little illegal boy that got snuck into Hawaii would not have such a document. Now, we’ve all heard obummer’s claim that he was born in a hospital in Hawaii- so this should be simple! Guess Barry needs to do more research before telling those lies! Oh, btw, how the F do you get a SSN from a state that you don’t live in or never worked in AFTER you have been working in Hawaii for a few years? Hey, call me- I have a bridge or two that I would love to sell you…..I give you good price!
It doesn’t matter where Obama was born. His father was a Kenyan citizen. Barack was not born a “natural” American because of that, period.
Vincent Fox was allowed to be president of Mexico even though his parents were Irish, because they became naturalized Mexican citizens and Vinnie was born in Mexico.
If Barack’s father had become a naturalized American, then Barack would have been “natural born.”
However, Congress has the authority under Article 3, section 2:
“In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.”
Note the last phrase. Congress has the final say. Under our constitution The Supremes are not supreme and they know it. Congress has invoked this clause whenever they don’t want any lip from the courts.
So by accepting Barack Obama as president, even though he doesn’t meet all the requirements for the office, Congress has taken the responsibility for his actions.
We need a second armed revolution to restore a proper government. The one we have now is a criminal enterprise. As Stokely Carmichael once said “No matter who you vote for, the government gets reelected.”
Unfortunately, there are numerous legal opinions and a constitutional amendment which contradict your opinion. Perhaps you haven’t heard but children born in this country of illegal aliens are actually American citizens. Many don’t like it but it is the law. If it were as you suggest there would be no current movement to change the law which derives from the 14th amendment. As far as your statement that we need an armed revolution it provides further confirmation that your opinions are frivolous.
The few on this site who lean to the left are passionate for Obama That the majotityfor a very simple reason.
Since Mr Livingston brought up the fact that Obama probably is the son of a family friend Mr. Davis, don’t think we have a problem now do we. He has both parents who are American Citizens, born in Hawaii and that for sure makes him an American Citizen, now the birthers can jump onto another wagon and ride into the sunset, problem solved. As far as Social Security numbers, they are numbered according to the state in which an application for a SSN where the applicant applied. It does not indicate what state one is born in.
The few on this site who lean to the left are passionate for Obama for the simple reason that the majority here are poisonous against him. You call him every name in the book and then some. Your challenges are hard to resist. So many lies and distortions we don’t know where to begin. Dr.Mabuse said it well earlier that too many of you are obsessed with the narrow time frame of 17 months instead of the history that put us in this financial dilemma almost 100 years ago. Some of you do go way back to 1913 and that is great but most don’t. Most of your comments make it sound like the world began with Obama and he has to part the sea to please you. Sometimes your burden of proof is outrageous and dangerous. It’s like you want to be his judge,jury and executioner, right now. See you later my fired up friends.
eddie47d__Nah__Go On?__Poisoned against Obama??__Nothing doing, we just don’t like his Socialistic Policies and his crazy attempts to turn America into “American Socialism”__Ya gettin’ this yet?__Besides your on a Conservative Site__and quite simply, If we all agreed with Bambi on here at Personal Liberty, it’d be a Liberal site__Savvy?
You folks (except for the Liberals) will love this one:
http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/2010/08/wallis_admits_t.html
“He” may or may not be a farce I believe he is, but then again I also
believe he wants to goad Americans into an uprising, during which chaos, foreign troops will be called in and the loss of sovereignty of America will be proven. Of course Obama is a muslim. He encourages the Imam to push SHARIA LAW, which means to overthrow the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. The muslim presence in America might be one hell of a lot more meaningful. President: muslim absolutely ANTI AMERICAN IN EVERY SINGLE WAY except when it came to paining Americans with his interpretation of the Constitution giving muslims a right to build a mosque, a definte slap in the face of America. So we start at the top: muslim president doing every possible thing to destroy America, to nominate highly anti American judges for Supreme court and doing everything he can so when he’s gone, Americans will no recourse. Notice the drastically NON RESPONSIVE SENATE AND HOUSE. How many MUSLIMS ARE IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE? Obama himself named two MUSLIMS TO WHAT IS NOW HOMELAND SURRENDER. Are we connecting the dots?
Our own gov turned against us. depts and agencies that could help us are paralyzed with MUSLIM PRESENCE. We MUST DUMP THE ENCUMBENTS WHO HAVE FAILED US AND THAT IS ONE AND ALL. We must vote in strong PRO AMERICANS who will put an immediate halt to all immigration. These pro Americans will change the tone right down to the local police, who might help Americans once more. Any suggestion of Sharia Law or any other policies that overthrow AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AND POLICY results in DEPORTATION. Muslims will NEVER BE PRO AMERICAN AND THEREFORE THEIR
PRESENCE HERE SHOULD BE STRONGLY DISCOURAGED AND KEPT TO A MINIMUM. IN FACT NO ONE WHO CANNOT ASSIMILATE AND DESIRES TO BE AMERICAN AND ACT PRO AMERICA SHOULD BE ALLOWED HERE. THIS WOULD BE OUR ONLY SALVATION. Once America refuses to become DEVOURED BY ISLAMIC PRESENCE,
SO WILL THE REST OF THE WORLD HAVE COURAGE TO FOLLOW. SHARIA LAW IS NOT FOR CIVILIZED COUNTRIES. Young females being mutalated? Honor Killings? Beheadings? Wearing burkas? Punishing an 8 yrs old stealing bread by destroying his arm under the wheels of a truck? Stoning?
AMERICANS WAKE UP YOU ARE CLOSER TO THIS THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY KNOW.
THE INSTALLATION OF SHARIA LAW AND ISLAMIC RULES WILL PUT CIVILIZATION BACK THOUSANDS OF YEARS. INSIST ON DEPORTATION ESP OF THAT IMAM THAT OBAMA IS PAYING MILLIONS TO VACATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
Oh good; a target rich enviroment. Ammo Up !!!!
Boy, some people just think being white covers a multitude of sins.
Arayan superiority takes many scuzzy forms.. The devil has your souls.
If it is true that Obama was not born in Hawaii you Must also accept these other Truths. 1) He IS the president 2) He will never be impeached and 3) While you waste your time on birther efforts he continues his agenda. 4) In the end he will accomplish his goals for the country while you waste your time questioning his birthright. Like Kennedys assassination none of us will live to see the truth, or lie.
I became a Christian through acceptance of Jesus Christ as my Saviour and consider Him the Son Of God; which I understand is the only way. If there is another means or way to become Christian someone please clarify. During my studies of the Bible over a period of fifty-two years, I’ve ready many times the verse that says all liars will have their place in the Lake of Fire: that’s a real place wouldn’t you know. Too often holders of Public Office seem to have no knowledge of that warning; especially is this true of the present President. I’ve yet to hear him acknowledge publicly his belief in Jesus Christ. A persion that says they are Christian and violates one of God’s chiefest commandments doesn,t know the meaning of the word “Christian”. Liars are deceivers and can’t be trusted.There is yet to come on America much wrath from God as the result of this administration’s policies.
Elisha: do you remember when Bidden said BO would make a decision that most Americans wouldn’t agree with ? I believe that decision will be that he turns his back on Israel in favor of the Muslims in the coming crisis in the Middle East. Iran now has the bomb and a delivery system and the Will to use it. This nation already has one foot in the eternal grave with our allowance of infantacide. Turning our back on God’s chosen people may be the last straw.
P.S. Note we have a couple more would be MUSLIM TERRORISTS. For every single MUSLIM TERRORIST OR WOULD BE TERRORIST, one large mosque should be closed and deported. In this way, they may police themselves of
find themselves fading out of America. THE MUSLIMS THAT DESIRE SHARIA LAW SHOULD KNOW: TO MENTION IT, IS TO THREATEN THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AND DEFINITE DEPORTATION. AMERICA MUST ASSERT ITSELF. IT CANNOT BE BULLIED BY MUSLIM OR MEXICANS. Muslim, Mexican, ANYONE HAPPY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, STAY THERE. YOU ARE NOT. DO YOU HEAR ‘NOT” TO THINK YOU CAN COME TO AMERICA AND DRAG YOUR LAWS HERE.
AMERICAN LAW HOLDS IN AMERICA. SHARIA LAW: GO TO A MUSLIM COUNTRY.
James Francis, I could not agree with you more. Whenever a felony criminal is pronounced guilty by a jury of his/her peers they should be required to state their faith. As they are led away in shackles their church should be bombed.
How about we also a Catholic church every time a child is molested by a priest—-there would be no Catholic churches in this country by November!
You’ve forgotten the public schools as well – every time a male teacher abuses a student and, now, female teachers at it too – oh, forget it – the schools would already be gone.
libertytrain–You bring up a good point. Regarding public schools, look how many female teachers have accosted young boys. Look at the male teachers that have fooled around with young girls.
I read something in the paper this morning–Jacksonville, Il has proposed an ordinance regarding the issue of “baggy pants.” I wonder if it will pass. I laughed out loud at this. Have you ever seen a kid running to the bus stop hanging onto his pants? lol
Claire – yes. It is kind of silly, though it’s been a long-time now that these baggy bottoms have been trying to run around. Fortunately my boy didn’t buy into that crud. And, on the other thing, I have lived in the Midwest, Florida, and the South and all these places have/had growing problems with teachers in the public schools abusing kids.
This was a great comment James. I whole heardedly agree. I think many others will also. If they like it better in the country they came from, we should tell them to get out and never to return back to our country again. Let’s hope we can get the majority of people, that has common sense, to vote this year so we can get the Communist, Progresives, Obama’s Zombies and the rest of those idiots that voted for everything that Obama thrown out of office. We can’t depend on the Democratic voter, we have to persuade the Independant voters to come along with us this year.
Bob, you’re getting hammered. All the studying, preaching and degrees do not a Christian make. It is the acknowledgement of a living God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ, and covenanting with Jesus Christ to take upon you his name, and to keep his commandments that will give you a good start to being a Christian. All of us fall short of these goals, but still having the faith and courage to continue to obtain these ideals is what makes us Christian.
Talk about being hammered, Our Great Nation is being thrashed by those who despise any phrase or reference to God in any way. Our Founders not only Trusted in God they depended on Him. The writing of the Founding Fathers are replete with references to God and his helping hand in all that took place in the founding of this Great Nation. There is no way to separate God from the US Constitution, the raising up of the Founders and this Great Nation of Liberty.
Back then 1776 we had the same as today. Then is was the elitists (King George III), socialists, communists Fabianist, etc. Today we change the name to progressives. But even the progressives, socialists and Marxists are still just layers below the real elitists.
Obama is just a Kenyan (outside U.S.) born Indonesian Muslim with a “gift-of-gab” who takes orders from the elites. We’re talking here about those power hunger clans who own the Federal Reserve Banking System, the International Monetary Fund, etc. and control the economies of the world through the CFR, TLC, Club of Rome and the Bilderberg. It’s the beast! In God we (should) Trust.
The goal is to bring down America through crisis after crisis to be comparable (to become the same as) to the rest of the global nations. Then the new Order (call it what you want) can administer without designation of country the world currency, world worthless health care, world cardboard housing, world communist education, etc. and most of all, world excessive TAX, which will enslave the people of this planet. Then they (the Real Elites) will become the “overlords” of this world. (At least that’s what they plan for.)
Obama is bought and paid for just like many of the Dems and Republicans in the House and Senate and all the czars. That’s why we have wholesale corruption in our capital(s). These puppets (idiots)(Statesmen) have been convinced they will become the new elites of the world, but they will be the first to be ejected once their usefulness (passing socialistic legislation) is over.
For these elitists to bring down America is to kill the golden goose. America has been their cash cow for centuries (Federal Reserve Act, Income Tax, WWI, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, All Wars, etc.) But their insatiable appetite for power has blinded them to truth and reality. They will fail to see our most powerful weapon, true patriotism.
Nothing needs our attention more, today aside from our God and our Families, than does our struggling and gasping nation. As Pres. Kennedy said “…ask not what your country can do for you; (Entitlement) ask what you can do for your country.”(Patriotism) Become informed and then activate.
Alas, the American Spirit is strong, stirring the hearts of the true patriot to the defense of our Constitution and this great nation and all others nations as well, against the secret combination(s) of these elitists and one-worlders and their hunger for world dominance. The USA, as abused as it is, remains the last bastion of true freedom on this planet. The USA founded on Christian-Judeo principles is the hope of freedom of all nations of this planet.
Remember when you stand for Freedom you stand with God and when you fight for freedom you fight with God, but even if you stand alone against the Beast you stand with God. Only God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ can defeat the Beast and his followers. God works through people, we must conduct ourselves as to be a part of his army in defeating the evil-doers letting freedom, prosperity and this great nation blossom again.
I’m calling for a “call in sick day” (to your employer) to impact our Congress that we really are together on these matters. If a large number of patriots call in sick, it will be felt throughout the nation. Let the silent majority be heard, that we will come together and vote out these arrogant yahoos. How about September 17, 2010
Sept. 17, 1787 till 9-17-2010 is 232 years of Constitutional Law and this Glorious United States of America. When something is old but still of priceless value you don’t change it,(like BO is trying to do) you restore it. Like a classic car or a piece of old but fine furniture. Let your absence be felt by participating in this recognition day coming Sept. 17, 2010. Then we can slam them hard in November.
I’m sick and tired of you Obama bashers. You have no idea how smart this man is. For example: You think he is not doing anything about immigration. You are wrong. Obama has a well thought out strategic plan to deal with this issue. He is eliminating all of the jobs in the USA and then the illegals will stop coming here looking for work. Brilliant!
Yes, the Devil is brilliant.
Wake up MRSMART, your having a bad dream.
Oh Mr. Smart or is it Mrs. Mart? We definitely have an “idea” about how smart Obama is and what a “deceiver” he is. Why you are so ignorant is the real question? Why do you so blindly support him and believe in him? What has he done for you? How has he enhanced your way of life as an American? or are you an American?
The very fact that he is refusing to give any info. and spend millions to avoid it, is a reason to dump him as president. Charge him with treason now. Why wait for proof?
the next prez should demand the proof within 3 days. if nothing comes from obama, throw his rear in a prison with no one around for life. throw out all he signed into law. and let’s get America back from these lunitics. heck i remember growing up in the 70′s that comunists were thrown in jail. ah the good old days!!! but then we wouldn’t have half of our politians now would we. WAKE UP AMERICA!!! we as Americans have only known freedom. do these people who are backing us into a corner, thinking we will not fight for freedom. i have never known an American, who put in captivity ever just went along with it without a fight. they are pushing a country into a place they really don’t want to take us to if they actually would have an ear to hear. bunch of progressive college educated idiots that they are.
My youngest son was born in Honolulu, Hawaii just a few years after President Obama. Regardless of what other people are saying about the birth certificate being produced as Proof, I will only say that is not a birth certificate and looks nothing like the actual birth certificate. What you saw is a certification of birth and now the Governor of the State of Hawaii has said the record of birth is sealed – end of discussion on the matter. I suspect the Governor, after declaring he was born in Hawaii and produced the Certification of Birth has to cover his tracks and the reason all records are now sealed.
An elections worker in the State of Hawaii has said he is willing to testify in court, under oath that while checking the vital statistics on the candidates while President Obama was a candidate, he discovered there is was record of birth for President Obama in the State of Hawaii or record of his birth at the hospital where they claim he was born.
I personally think we should leave this alone when you consider who becomes the President and Vice President if he is impeached: President Biden and Vice President Pelosi. Lord help us if that happens. Of course, the coming elections could change the scenario on the Vice President but you would still have Bozo the Clown in charge.
I thought vital statistics records were confidential. How did the election official access them? Why don’t you post your son’s information and I will see if Hawaii will send me a copy of his birth certificate?
William Lord, why don’t you post your address and we’ll all
send you a COLB.
“This was demonstrated once before, when the House of Representatives voted to impeach Bill Clinton for lying to a grand jury, but the Senate voted 100-0 not to remove him.”
THis is ridiculously false and very easy to disprove. ON the first count, the vote was 45–55 guilty; on the second, 50–50.
I despise Clinton, but lies such as the 100–0 above do NOT help save America.
Anybody who falls for such a lie–I refuse to dignify this as faulty scholarship–gives the Left an idiot to be used as an example of Obama’s critics and opponents. Anyone who writes such a lie is perhaps a Liberal plant in a disinformation campaign to discredit those who raise serious, fact-based questions and criticisms of Obama.
YOu couldn’t be intimating that anyone on this site has the capacity to BE serious, are you?
WoW !! here the USA is in a Financial mess, No Jobs, shipped out. People losing there homes and you Moronic Beings are worried about a Birth Certificate ??? When We The People Voted President Obama into Office, We chose the right person who would have at least a slim chance to turn the Economy around.. There is no way any other candidate had a plan on how it should be done.. I have not read one word on how the USA should be Fixed !! taking all Suggestions !! Lets all worry about the Small stuff and that will fix the big one.. So happy Our President has brought the Fighting Troops Home. Maybe they can help turn things around.. McCain said the Iraq war would last at least for 50 years.. Did we really want Him at the Wheel.??
If people will vote with their Brains instead of their Butts. We could accomplish the things that are being Stonewalled by the Republicans.. We need to put all this Hate into useful energy. and put our minds together as one to solve our problems.. I don’t have any answers. and I don’t Agree with everything that comes out of Washington. But, at least President Obama is Trying.. While people stab him in the back with Lies. You people that can’t see the film on the Cutting Room Floor are not smart enough to comment on things about Bigger than Dick and Jane..
Ya RIGHT – where are all the jobs for the returning National Guard? All I’ve heard in lies, back room deals and no transparency at all. I see a puppet and his teleprompter. I don’t see a unified America at all and I certainly don’t see any true leaders in Washington. My business in going out of business next year if the Bush tax cuts expire, and I see people with less and less money to spend. So what are you smoking?
Oh gads – treat us like we’re unintelligent children and plead and reason so that we should feel like fools and fall for your “can’t we all just get along” speech. We don’t buy what your selling, and people like you that believe the government is the be all end all, just costs us more and more money for your failed social experiments.
We are sick to death of paying everyone’s way in this country. All we do is work and work and they take more and more every year. This President and congress have robbed us blind, let the Bush tax cuts expire (enjoy your bracket increase and the reenactment of the marriage penalty). He is systematically killing the housing market with his calls to get rid of the mortgage deduction and add a sales tax on the sale of your home. The government actually had the nerve to say that if people were required to put 5% down when they purchase a house, they couldn’t afford it! Correct me if I’m wrong here, but didn’t Bill Clinton bring us down with that one already?
So, just once tell me one SINGLE well run government agency that is actually doing the job it is supposed to do and doing it well and efficiently.
wha-wha-wha! We ALL have it better than half the people in this world. All you conservatives can do is cry, whine and complain. Don’t you ever have anything good to say? God forbid you would have to say you were wr….wr….wrong about anything.
Karolyn – DO YOU have anything good to say? Are you so close minded that you can’t even hear or perceive the possibility that some conservatives just may be right about a few things or are you one of those people that have to be right no matter what? One of those that could witness something with their own eyes and still be in denial unless it came from YOUR sources or YOUR people? That’s a big part of what’s wrong with this country….It’s a flippin contest and not about what’s right or wrong for ALL of us as human beings. Laws were put in place to keep peace and harmony and make our lives easier, when people break those laws regardless of rank, color, gender, etc, they need to be held accountable and pay the consequences for their actions…that’s the only way it can be to be fair and to have order and get people to obey and respect our laws….but unfortunately, elites have power and money to “get away with crime”! Most of this admin and congress are law makers to boot and break rules and set “PISS POOR” examples of leadership at EVERY TURN!
airangel – I guess you haven’t read too many of my posts, but I have repeatedly stated that I do listen to whatever is being said by any “sides”. I actually do have a brain and am able to formulate what I believe is the most feasible by listening to all concerned. Contrary to how most conservatives are, I have an open mind. However, the paranoia that is in evidence does little to promote credibility. There are many that post using a little intellect, but so many people are just running their mouths with nothing to back it up but unnamed sources and Fox News. Alarmism will do nothing but make things worse. Some of the crap I hear spouted on this site is just plain nuts. As a liberal, I am accused of being stupid and being a sheep, but the same can be said for the other side. It just gets too nasty, and there’s no call for that. Everybody thinks they’re right; and the person with an opposing view apparently can’t possibly be right. I have no answers, nor do I believe anybody does; but perpetuating hate does no one any good. That’s what in evidence here the most – hate, anger, prejudice, racism, plain old stupidity, etc. That’s no way to change anything.
Karolyn: I have something good to say; Good Night ! it’s time for my meds and here comes the nurse.
63000000 people love this guy and really do not care even if he is from Mars. Their only concern was that he was not Bush. Even Jews voted overwhelmingly for him. Catholics voted overwhelmingly for him throwing the Pope under the Bus. Hispanics love him and voted for him. None of these voters cared where he was from and still do not care or he would be gone from office.There were 7 people in the state of Iowa that acquired his school records and all landed in Distirct Court and all were fined and found guilty and not one was interviewed about what they found and they all have gone underground and were silenced and no doubt have great fear for their future.These people were average middle aged Joe’s and now they are hidden away in their homes with fear.To dig for information about Obama is like signing away your future and there is a great network out there that is poised at all times with Federal Laws to take down any of these searchers into Obama’s records. This man is ruthless in his protection of his files and has the manpower to protect them. Why would any President not want to come forth with all his past history and clear the air? Worse is why would any sane american not care and vote for such a person? Obama is not the problem now it is the 60 million who follow him……..
Here’s a bit many of you will appreciate:
Sources say smack down of Obama by Supreme Court may be inevitable.
According to sources who watch the inner workings of the federal government,
a smackdown of Barack Obama by the U.S. Supreme Court may be inevitable.
Ever since Obama assumed the office of President, critics have hammered him
on a number of Constitutional issues. Critics have complained that much if
not all of Obama’s major initiatives run headlong into Constitutional
roadblocks on the power of the federal government.
(AP Photo/Keith Srakocic). Chief Justice John Roberts, U.S. Supreme Court.
Obama certainly did not help himself in the eyes of the Court when he used
the venue of the State of the Union address early in the year to publicly
flog the Court over its ruling that the First Amendment grants the right to
various organizations to run political ads during the time of an election.
The tongue-lashing clearly did not sit well with the Court, as demonstrated
by Justice Sam Alito, who publicly shook his head and stated under his
breath, ‘That’s not true,’ when Obama told a flat-out lie concerning the
Court’s ruling.
As it has turned out, this was a watershed moment in the relationship
between the executive and the judicial branches of the federal government.
Obama publicly declared war on the court, even as he blatantly continued to
propose legislation that flies in the face of every known Constitutional
principle upon which this nation has stood for over 200 years.
Obama has even identified Chief Justice John Roberts as his number one
enemy, that is, apart from Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. And it is no accident
that the one swing-vote on the court, Justice Anthony Kennedy, stated
recently that he has no intention of retiring until ‘Obama is gone.’
Apparently, the Court has had enough.
The Roberts Court has signaled, in a very subtle manner, of course, that it
intends to address the issues about which Obama critics have been screaming
to high heaven. A ruling against Obama on any one of these important issues
could potentially cripple the Administration. Such a thing would be long
overdue.
First, there is ObamaCare, which violates the Constitutional principle
barring the federal government from forcing citizens to purchase something.
And no, this is not the same thing as states requiring drivers to purchase
car insurance, as some of the intellectually-impaired claim. The
Constitution limits FEDERAL government, not state governments, from such
things, and further, not everyone has to drive, and thus, a citizen could
opt not to purchase car insurance by simply deciding not to drive a vehicle.
In the ObamaCare world, however, no citizen can ‘opt out.’
Second, sources state that the Roberts court has quietly accepted
information concerning discrepancies in Obama’s history that raise serious
questions about his eligibility for the office of President. The charge
goes far beyond the birth certificate issue. This information involves
possible fraudulent use of a Social Security number in Connecticut, while
Obama was a high school student in Hawaii. And that is only the tip of the
iceberg.
Third, several cases involving possible criminal activity, conflicts of
interest, and pay-for-play cronyism could potentially land many
Administration officials, if not the President himself, in hot water with
the Court. Frankly, in the years this writer has observed politics, nothing
comes close to comparing with the rampant corruption of this Administration,
not even during the Nixon years. Nixon and the Watergate conspirators look
like choirboys compared to the jokers that populate this Administration.
In addition, the Court will eventually be forced to rule on the dreadful
decision of the Obama DOJ to sue the state of Arizona. That, too, could send
the Obama doctrine of open borders to an early grave, given that the
Administration refuses to enforce federal law on illegal aliens.
And finally, the biggie that could potentially send the entire house of
cards tumbling in a free-fall is the latest revelation concerning the
Obama-Holder Department of Justice and its refusal to pursue the New Black
Panther Party. The group is caught on tape committing felonies by a
ttempting to intimidate Caucasian voters into staying away from the polls.
A whistle-blower who resigned from the DOJ is now charging Holder with the
deliberate refusal to pursue cases against Blacks, particularly those who
are involved in radical hate-groups, such as the New Black Panthers, who
have been caught on tape calling for the murder of white people and their
babies.
This one is a biggie that could send the entire Administration
crumbling–that is, if the Justices have the guts to draw a line in the sand
at the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Good Lord, Kate8…that’s some huge stuff there. May I ask where your source came from?
Sure would love to sit down one day & have a Long conversation with you.
God bless you & thank you for your work.
BrotherPatriot, All I actually know is that it was an email from a CA TeaParty organization.
Sorry I can’t be more specific, but I thought it was worth posting.
Kate8 – High 5s & kudos. Absolutely brilliant. Good catch.
BrotherPatriot – Ditto it’s huge stuff.
JeffH – Ditto the ‘one neat little package’ (much appreciated). AND the gold start to Kate8 for fetching this one and dropping it off here.
Very well-written. Hope it’s true.
Your “hope” will go unanswered.
We can only hope “true justice” prevails and we can get this country on track with Private Sector jobs for Americans so people can take care of their families and be too busy to cause trouble!
kate8, as usual you come thru in the clutch. Some of these we’ve discussed before but none have been presented in one neat little package like you just delivered. You get a gold star! Keep up the good work.
Sounds like Family Feud: “Sources” say blah-blah-blah-blah. Who are these sources – Sarah Palin’s mother?
Obama is the puppet, his “sponsors” send him off on vacation so he does not open his mouth- their agenda is financial ruin of the US, compliant people, removal of our freedoms, so they can run the world. We are the last free country they have to attack- Why do you think we keep hearing of “Sharia Law” needs to be followed & respected & the “one world government”, – read between the lines, its more than what you think.- the people who dont see this happening will make good obedient slaves.
Hey K, check with Soros about Obama, he help create him!
Is she a hot babe to ?
I’m not entirely ready to cry conspiracy, but it’s pretty compelling when you see a video of his Aunt (by his own admission) saying he was born in Kenya. I believe that if he wants to clear all this up he could just release school records. Why not? I agree that there must be something either embarrassing or awfully wrong there.
What really bothers me is that there is no one that remembers or can verify his story. No best school buddies, no teachers, no neighbors, nothing. His “friends” are all organizers and committed communists and progressives. He has always associated with that element in society. It would also be nice to know why neither he nor Michelle haven’t really practiced law and why one license is suspended.
The worst ever is that we, the American people fell for a hugh fake and I feel cheated.
Maybe the CA teaparty is some of the same who furnished the faulty information about WMD’s in Iraq. Need better proof than what this group has to say.
Barry, if his daddy would have had to pull some strings Barquak would be around to make life miserable for the USA citizens.Owldog, being a blanket rear doen’t make wiser or in touch with nature, whites do pick up the overwhelming majority of all social programs. That why Jennette says over 95% of blacks still love the marxist ,uslim, all the free commods. J Francis, Onumnutts’ October surprise will be Martial Law with Shira Law as the ultimate law. eddiee you just 47 times stupider from your posts yesterday, since you say you are a puppy snatcher, you also get your free money and have lived for years on the government dole, which is what the easrt coast socialist democrats wanted your people to do, be dependant on the government, free schools, free colleges, and free money to make something productive in life, why don’t you start your own ethanol plants, you would not have to pay taxes , as the white people do. We are all curious if Indians have to purchase healthcare or did Onumnutts and your democrat socialists not include you in the sweetheart deal the muslims got? Also I don’t want the marxist muslim moron to try and part the seas, after the mess in the gulf, we don’t need his help, too many tar balls and stench for the fish to handle. As for the passonite left on this site for Onumnutt, they are bent over in an almost complete circle. Since most worshippers are circle jerks and it is probably since Barry was a queer, and removed all three of his rump rangers in less than 2 months before he came out as a canidate. We know socialist democrats love to take away problems by ending the abiity to communicate or tell the facts.
THIS IS WHAT IS EXPECTED FOR DUMMY SUPPORTERS THE HAVE KNOW CLUE AS WHAT IS GOING ON LOOK BACK IN HISTORY OF OTHER COUNTRIES AND AS FAR AS ANY DEM IN THE PRES OFFICE THAT DID GOOD WELL THEIR IS NONE OBAMA CLINTON NICKSON WELL ALL LEADING US TO DEPRESSION ANS AS FAR AS CLINTON WE WHERE IN A RESETION WHEN CLINTON LEAFT OFFICE THIS IS A FACT AS WE HAD 2 NEGITIVE QUATERS BACK TO BACK REGAN HAD A SURPLUSE OF MONEY 1 BUSH HAD A SURPLUS WHEN HE LEFT CLINTON DEFICIT OK WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THAT MONEY THESE ARE FACTS OBAMA SPENT MOST OF ALL THE BAIL OUT MONEY EVEN THE ONE BUSH PUSH FOR
First, BB, you need to go back to school and learn to write in at least a semi-coherent manner—it is very hard to understand what you are trying to say.
Second, about the only thing I could glean from your screed is about Ronald Raygun, the worst President ever. He created the LARGEST deficit in history!! Try and learn a few things and stop repeating words you have not checked.
Obama is a muslim in his own omission. We need to vote 100% teaparty… if we want a fighting chance. Look to the stars for signs we are being deceived this is why we are having all of this choas. Has anybody seen the bright star from the west lately? A criminal always creates a deversion so the observer is oblivious of the truth or fact.
It’s Venus, genius…so, is Jesus coming back to take you flakes somewhere?
I want absolute proof that Barry was born in the Unites States. If it is not forth coming he should be removed from office. All the laws he signed should be declared null and void all appointments null and void. If the Democrats want these laws they should bring them up for a vote again in congress. If they want those appointments they too should be voted on again in Congress. Joe Bidden should finish out the term. Barry should be brought up on fraud charges and if found guilty get prison time.
And who do you want to subject to fraud for those trying to make false charges of Obama is not a citizen, do you want to be the first to sign on. Just why would you think your non proof of him being born in other than USA and not to a citizen of the USA, do you have that, doubt it. Fraud is being attempted by faulty intelligence, you will never be able to prove otherwise.
Most commenters on this site don’t believe Prez Obama was born in Hawaii. Here is my speculation on what happen ….
1) BArry’s mother lost/discarded his original birth certificate after he was born. She was probably thinking he would be better off in Indonesia or somewhere else (young idealistic woman !) ..
That doesn’t solve the next problem, where is the hospital’s copy ?
2) Barry’s mother probably told the hospital (after he was born) that his birth certificate was incorrect .. so they discarded the original saying he was born in Hawaii as an American citizen. Why ? I don’t know exactly why, maybe she was turned off about being a US citizen.
Maybe she wanted to get back with Barry’s biological father. Maybe she wanted to easily emigrate to Indonesia …
Barry probably needed to make sure he was a citizen. He probably went back in all the records. He didn’t change anything, he probably clearified he was born a citizen of the USA. This was probably done many years ago – he needed it to qualify for some type of financial aid or program ? His mother’s haphazard way of invalidating his original birth certificate was illegal (probably on the Federal level – not the State of Hawaii’s level – State laws being different)
But then again -
Barry is a natural born citizen of Hawaii but not of the USA ?
or
BArry is a natural born citizen of the USA but not Hawaii ?
You lawyers figure it out. Barry probably legeally fixed his birth status, many years before he became President. He probably did nothing illegal, he is just avoiding the embarassment of what he had to do to get it all straightened out …
So there’s one of my speculations. Now let’s do a thought experiment assuming that the birthers are right (God Bless all those doubting Thomas !)
If Barack’s did not meet the conditions then he could not be certified by the Electoral College.
The Electors found nothing wrong.
Thus from a legal standpoint Barack is legally President …
Why ? Just like a jury nullifying a law (jury nullification) the Electoral College has nullified the Constitution. Specifically the Presidential qualifications for eligibilty.
So their you have it – COnstitutional nullification by the Electoral College…
These are just my speculations …..
What you just stated is called inductive reasoning. You start with the conclusion or outcome you want and build threotical “evidence” to support that conclusion. Police are famous for doing this in criminal investigations. They start with a likely suspect and put all their efforts into building the case against him or her. Try deductive reasoning on the BO issue. Compile the known facts and draw a logical conclusion. If you’re open minded I believe that you will find some diffrent conclusions.
Good suggestion Gunner. Will do. I definitely don’t have enough facts !
I found it very offensive to receive this newsletter in my mailbox. The level of retardation being expressed here is crippling. Are you really Americans? I know Americans better than this. We have serious economic problems to deal with at this is all you are concerned with? My blessings to you!
You are correct, K. Ganu, this can be a very disturbing sight. My blessings right back at you!
Well, K. and Alex, Unlike you libs, we do not try to force you to do things you find offensive. If you are so disturbed by being here, feel free to leave!
Ta ta!
kate8, if only it was that easy.
What I find interesting is that these two nimrods think they are Gods now…notice they are conveying “their” blessings on each other…not “gods blessings” but their own…now I am offended that they choose to come here and “act” superior. Two Cold Little Turds trying to act like Big Hot Chits.
and Allahs blessings to both of you. may your camels give birth in your tent and may all your children herd goats.
You really are sick! And, BTW, Allah is just another name for God.
yes I am but I’m getting better. Since you stated you love everyone hows about a back rub?
It’s strange… I’ve worked for the same Defense Contractor on 2 separate occasions. Each time, my offer was contingent on me proving I was a US Citizen, by showing my STATE issued birth certificate.
Even though my employer still had the records from my previous employment, the wanted to see my birth certificate and make another copy…
I don’t get it… Me, a lowly worker bee that makes weapons for war, has to prove he’s a citizen TWICE, while the person in charge of “the button” is exempt from this requirement…
–Winston
WINSTON SMITH, Damn good Post!
Poser in Chief__Suave, Charming, Speaks well (with a teleprompter), but not off the cuff__Two years ago, a virtual unknown, he quickly rose to power, and blew in like a Ben Hur, riding on a White Steed Chariot._Like so many emperors of Rome, he touts, elaborate vacations, health care takeover, that we didn’t want or need, sold our rights to off shore drilling in the gulf, he disses the American people at every turn, and claims, his agenda is for the good of the people___ he Promised the world, hope & change__We got change___ what we have is STILL the fear of the unknown, in a stalled economy of more and more entitlements programs and handouts. With no incentives to expand and grow, for the working class & the small entrepreneurs._ The only ones seemingly making money these days are the Unions and Government workers. Each day that passes, I find it more and more difficult, to pray for our enemies first, as I believe this Administration is no friend of America or it’s people.__ Any opposition of this administration is viewed as a threat or we accused of being a racist.___I don’t say the Repubs are perfect in anyway, but when you Democraps are losing the debate, such as your polls show__ you pull out all the stops and resort to racism___It may have worked in the past, but you can bet your azz, it won’t get you re-elected in the near future.___Repubs listen up__don’t use our seemingly desperation to want true change, to run on a plateform of lies, we’ve enough lies from politicians, to last a life time..___A good starting point would be__To follow the Constitution & Listen to the people for a change & watch an listen to Governor Chris Christie in New Jersey!!_We’re tired of ALL well intentioned politicians, who falls into the trap and becoming concerned with lining they’re own pockets, while more regulation & tax is ALL, WE THE PEOPLE CAN SEE!
GET OVER YOURSELVES WASHINGTON ELITE, WHAT GOD HATH GIVEN, GOD CAN TAKETH AWAY!
Well said. No communist is ever going to say: “I’m a communist and my dream and goal is to destroy white Christian America. Vote for me.” They rather expose what is wrong with America and promise to make everything better.
So true, I think it’s clear James, that this Administration is trying to play God. The atheists of the world, and those that aren’t sure of God (agnostics) have fallen into this “Trust Me” crap trap, by the current leaders. These people believe in anything they say, and have become (by letting themselves and by direct but subtle manipulation) weakened, by leaning on the Government for protection. These type of folks CLAIM they’re not hurting those of us that are independent thinkers. They do hurt us, because they chip away at those who once stood firm, who eventually become tired of fighting the system.
BS on that!
Blah-blah-blah, ad infinitum
is blah, blah, blah your best sheep imitation? If you’re going to keep using it, it’s Baaaa, Baaa, Baaaa. (that’s also the gathering call for the BO zombies.
factcheck.org is an Obama organization. It is owned by the Annenberg Foundation and Obama sat on the board of Annenberg with, I believe it was Bill Ayres. This protection of BS/BO or who ever he is was established long ago, and is so tight and wide that Judges are being threatened, Lawyers are being threatened and who knows who else and by whom? WHY?
Joan, yepper, snopes is liberal leaning too!
You better watch out Joan. Keep looking over your shoulder. They’re watching you too. Keep a lookout for those guys in the black suv’s.
Karaolyn, blah, blah, blah yourself, nothing more intelligent to say HMMM?
Just to add fuel to the fire(BTW-I don’t like Obama, voted against him and will again) It makes no difference where he was born. Under the US Constitution “Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
!!! * Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)!!!
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.”
Please note the paragraph with the exclamation marks above states ” Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years” ” so it doesn’t matter where he was born because his mother is a Natural born US citizen, therefore so is he.
I think you’re all directing your anger that the wrong people. Clearly Fox News is the real threat to America:
Fox News shareholder funded ‘Ground Zero mosque’ imam: report
The second largest shareholder in News Corp. — the parent company of Fox News — has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to causes linked to the imam planning to build a Muslim community center and mosque near Ground Zero in Manhattan, says a report from Yahoo!News.
According to the report from Yahoo!’s John Cook, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, who owns seven percent of News Corp., “has directly funded [Imam Feisal Abdul] Rauf’s projects to the tune of more than $300,000.”
Cook reports that Prince Al-Waleed’s personal charity, the Kingdom Foundation, donated $305,000 to Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow, a project sponsored by two of Rauf’s initiatives, the American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative, which is building the Manhattan mosque.
That Fox News’ second-largest shareholder, after Rupert Murdoch, has financial links to the “Ground Zero mosque” will be seen as ironic by critics of the news network, who have watched with chagrin as the network’s talking heads attempt to link the mosque to radical Islamism.
Last week, Daily Show host Jon Stewart lambasted Fox panelist Eric Bolling’s attempt to link the Cordoba Initiative to Hamas and Iran. Stewart used News Corp.’s connections to Prince Al-Waleed, and the prince’s connections to the Carlyle Group and Osama bin Laden to make a tongue-in-cheek argument that Fox News may be a “terrorist command center.”
Fox News is the enemy only if you can’t stand the truth. Numerous times they’ve carried relevant stories that the media propaganda machine ignored..
What stories, Teabagger?
New Black Panther Party? Non-story. Absolutely laughable!
Sharon Sherrod? Lies.
ACORN? Video maanipulation for the uninformed.
Van Jones? Wrong.
The Faux Noose Channel giving ONE MILLION dollars to the ReThuglikan Governors? You people are so stupid and do not believe in “America”—not at all!
Either do I.
Alex,
You forgot to add:
Alex having any functional brain cells…..LIE!
Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud, the grandson of the King of Saudi Arabia, head of the Kingdom Holding Company, and, according to Forbes, the 22nd richest person in the world.
The fact that he is a shareholder in News Corp and in December 2005, the Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding (CMCU) received a $20 million dollar gift from him. Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal is an internationally renowned businessman and global investor, to support and expand the Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding. The Center was renamed the Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding (ACMCU). This endowed fund was the second largest single gift in Georgetown University history.
Depending on where you search, Al-Waleed ownes between 5.7% – 7% of News Corp, FOX News parent company.
His Kingdom Holdings also has major investments in Amazon, AOL/Time Warner, Coca Cola, Compaq, eBay, Four Seasons, Ford, Hewlett-Packard, McDonald’s, Motorola, Pepsi, Priceline.com Inc, Procter & Gamble, and The Walt Disney Company.
The fact that Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal, a Muslim, has donated a 1/2 million or more to the Imam promoting and fundraising dosen’t in any way mean FOX News is doing or related to the funding of the mosque.
FOX has denounced the group CAIR repeatedly as a terror group.
so True JeffH, and the facts remain, all Fox reporters still, side with the American people on the inappropriateness of where Imam wants to build this Mosque. At least Fox news reporters haven’t been bought out, like some of the other liberal news!
Are you serious? Have you ever watched Fox? Or Glen Beck? He uses the exact same logic – in his ‘follow the money’ segments- to claim people are corrupt or funded by terrorists. If one A gives to B who gives to C- ah-ha! it proves A is evil. Well according to Fox’s own logic (not saying I agree but what’s good for the goose…) Fox is financially supporting the mosque. What’s worse, when they reported on it they mentioned Talal’s charity that’s funding the mosque but failed to mention Talal’s name or the fact that he’s their second-biggest shareholder. Don’t you think that would be a teeny bit relevant? And don’t you think it’s odd Glen Beck, who has gone to such great lengths to make faulty connections between people, has completely ignored the fact that Fox’s second biggest shareholder is one of the major contributors to the mosque? As John Stewart said, they’re either really really stupid or really really evil. I’m with evil.
All I have to say to the millions of Americans who are now disatified with our current president, why did you vote for him. All fo the proof that was printed prior to the election was a red flag as to who Obama is. America had an IQ test November 2009, and it failed miserably. So where is all the chanting now, Yes We Can. I think that we should band together and say Yes We Can get rid of our president. Who pays these idiots salaries? Wake up American. We Have the POWER. And for you bleeding heart liberals, or any American citizen who does not like our country and is trying to destroy our way of life and our freedoms, leave, and find yourself another country.
You are all so sad. I’m really glad I don’t know any of you. I’m glad I’ve not been subjected to such ignorance throughout my life. I always worked with and played with intelligent people who wanted to make this a better world. Most of what I hear here is rhetoric designed to tear down and raise the destructive vibrations that already are present in this world. As you think, so shall you be.
Karolyn, it works two ways. Let not your heart be troubled.
Karolyn, I feel that most of the folk who are posting on this forum are all concerned about the future of their country. It certainly is heading toward that slippery slope with Obama behind the wheel. Bush may have ran the car off the road, but Obama continued pushing it over the hill. Do me a favor. Let’s get rid of this Congress that are up for election this November. In 2012 we can get rid of the current government adminstration that is leading us to a dimal failure.
The constitution says that the president must be a ‘natural born citizen’. It does not say that he/she had to be born in the United States. If you are born to American parents you are a natural born citizen. Nobody has questioned the citizenship of Obama’s mother, and she retained custody of Barack when the couple divorced.
So he could have been born anywhere and still would have been eligible to run for the presidency. The birthers ARE nuts. Or just plain ignorant.
By the way, John McCain was born in Panama. Nobody made an issue of that during the campaign.
I guess you are just not knowledgable about things are you? When you are a serviceman, as McCains father was, and you have children that are born overseas, they are considered American born children, because you are there under orders of your country. And did not McCain make it totally transparent that he was born out of this country? Oh yes, he never ever tried to hide it. But your boy did, and still does, and he cannot produce it, or his college papers, because one cannot produce, what one does not have. Your boy is illegal, and thats all there is to it. The facts speak for themselves. Facts are, no one has seen either of the aforementioned articles. Facts are, obama has produced nothing to refute the public claims he is illegal. Pretty damning facts if you ask me.
Any child born to an American citizen is also an American citizen regardless of where he/she is born. Sorry, but that’s the truth.
Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution also states;
“The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors”
Mr. Obama’s days are numbered along with the party of Pelosi, Reid, Axlerod, Holder, Napalitano, Emanuel, Clinton, Jennings, etc…
When the Dems maintain control of Congress and then Obama gets elected again,you’re going to be crying in your soup ans crackers. You ought to just reconcile yourself to being out of power for another 10 yrs,you’ll be happier and healthier if you just accept it and quit bitching all the time.
dinngyoso the power-monger.Yep,everyone will still be in the soup lines.Except dingy,he will still be up Hussein’s ass.
Another Voice…actually they did make an issue of McCains birth and guess what? He showed his papers! Now was that really so hard to do? Why did this Prez sign an executive order to seal everything? Why? If he’s so above board, why the big to do? I would really like to know. I don’t know how you libs were raised but it sure wasn’t to be honest and forthright!
Beberoni;”Natural born citizen” The key phrase.Now that Sarah Palin has implants she would would not be considered natural, would she?Just wondering.
Jopa…that was just so intelligent! Your Liberal education is showing
Jopa, what in the world does Sarah Palin have to do with this discussion. This discussion is about Barack Hussein Obama. You cannot compare thes two. She has a lot more decency, honestly and more commom sense than our wanna be dictator.
Palin is nothing but a dimwitted political opportunist who quit 1/2 of the way through her term as governor…quit to try and limit her
liability for political/financial corruption and ran off to make a big pile of money from the dolts in our country. Shame…
Dumniso
At least Sarah never claimed to have visited 57 States, as Obummer did. That’s the stupidest remark I ever heard from a President:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrsBKGpwi58
Nor did Sarah ever say that Guam would tip over and capsize from too many marines on it, as Rep. Hank Johnson (D-GA) did:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs23CjIWMgA
And who can forget Pigosi saying “we have to pass the bill so we can see what’s in it”. Wish I could have used that miserable excuse back when I was in college:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU
jopa–How do you know Palin had implants? I can’t imagine any woman going through surgery unless they absolutely had to.
Sarah Palin is also on the waiting list for a brain implant.
Alex–Stop it. I am talking about a different kind of implant. A lot of women do it, I just don’t like pain.
Claire…I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Palin got implants as many thousands of women and even girls have the surgery. It seems rather insane to me but our culture is increasingly centered on appearance,especially for girls and women and they are willing to spend thousands and undergo surgery and it’s possible consequences to
look the way they think they have to look. I think,except in extreme cases,it’s insane and indicative of our shallow culture.
It’s dingy the implant expert.Dingy,your implant is showing,put it back in your pants.You have no shame at all! You’re awfully knowledgeable about girlie things.
hope she doesn’t get yours.
gunner689–Are you referring to me?
Claire: referring to Alex on the brain transplant for Sarah comment.
Alex,
Are you ahead of her or behind her on that list?
WOW,I JUST HAVE THIS TO SAY ABOUT THE PRESIDENT.HE MAY HAVE TOLD THE WHOLE TRUTH,AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH WHEN HE SAID HE WAS AMERICAN.HIS COHORTS(partners in crime)SUPPORT HIM AND INFLUENCE THE WORLD AROUND HIM IN THINKING THE SAME.HIS MANY VISITS ABROAD WITH HIS SIGNIFICANT OTHER,TO SCREAM OUT LOUDLY TO ANYONE WHO WOULD LISTEN HOW BAD HIS COUNTRY WAS.REMEMBER,WHEN HE SAID HE WAS “GOING TO CHANGE THE FACE OF AMERICA”THE FACE HE WAS REFERRING TO WAS NOT HIS BLACK FACE AS THE PRESIDENT,NO,IT WAS A CHANGE FROM A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC TO THE SOCIALISM THAT HAS EVOLVED FROM YEARS OF IGNORANCE BY VOTERS WHO WOULDN’T TAKE TIME FROM THEIR BUSY SCHEDULES TO REALIZE WE WERE BEING PLAYED BY A POLITICAL MENTALITY THAT IS IN BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES.WE,AS A PEOPLE OF INTEGRITY,MUST CHANGE OURSELVES FROM THE MUCK AND MIRE OF PRESENT DAY POLITICS,TO A POSITION OF GOOD OVER EVIL,RIGHT OVER WRONG,COMMON SENSE OVER STUPIDITY.WHATEVER YOU DECIDE,YOU DESERVE.I WONDER WHAT YOU WILL CHOOSE?
His own grandmother said she was present at his birth in Kenya. Why else did Obama ship her back there than for no other reason than to shut her up. His constantly running away from the White House shows he doesn’t like to make decisions. He might actually have to act like a President if he stays in DC. It also makes it hard for people to question him. A moving target is hard to hit (metaphorically speaking).
Obama is an imposter! Why would he pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep his records under wrap? He has contracted lawyers like in 15 states to do this. If he had any integrity which he doesn’t, he would have set the story straight from the very beginning and hasn’t. Anyone that spends that kind of money to keep his records hidden has something to hide!!!! Logic tells you that if nothing else. He has committed more crimes than any President in history. He has spent more money since he has been President than all the presidents in our history of America. The sooner we get this guy removed, the better off our country will be and able to save it from terrorism and overthrowing our U.S. Constitution that he is continually doing while carrying this title! He has no respect for this country and has showed us (America), over and over again. WAKE UP before there is no country to save!
You’re believing rightwing looney propoganda…lies. There is no truth to anything you say and you’re sounding like a moron. Suck it up
dude, Obama is our president for 6 more yrs. The Repubs shot themselves in the foot by electing the dumbest and most incompetent
president in our history for 2 terms…he presided over 2 failed wars,
a doubling of the national debt and the largest economic collapse since ’29…you guys are dead in the water for another 6 or 10 yrs because of the fallout from the the moron Shrub and his sidekick,Cheny. Luckily most Americans aren’t as ignorant as you people and we won’t see a Repub prez for a decade. Too bad,chumps…
It’s the leftwing looney stealing words from other people,again.
Duh!niso
“Bush presided over two wars”. You mean the war that the Hildebeast voted to authorize? Woodrow Wilson, a democrat, got us into WWI. FDR, a democrat, got us into WWII. Truman, a democrat, got us into Korea. LBJ, a democrat, got us into Vietnam where 58,000 American lives were lost, many of them draftees. And now Odumbo keeps the same Secretary of Defense that Bush Jr had.
Show me the proof where he has lawyers in 15 states, that he is paying 100′s of thousands of dollars to keep his records sealed. Do say Glen Beck or someone else told you. You made the statement so prove it or become the biggest liar on this site. What has he changed in the constition, so me that also. I want to see where the constition was changed by President Obama!! I think the killing of over 4,000 american soldiers and over 100,000 civilians is a far worst crime than anything President Obama ha done, but President Bush did!! Also President Washington committed adultry with more slave women than anything President Obama, but I want to see your proff of his constitional changes he changed according to YOU. Prove it or admit you made this up like 98% of the things wrote on here are!! Fess UP Beckster!!
Anyone in secret service representing our country has to have a strict background check. But our leader is exempt; we have a sealed (so called birth certificate) in a vault- hmmmm- why could this have so much value in hiding? If there was nothing to it- it would have been waved in our faces!!!
Certificate of Live Birth is NOT a birth certificate. Certificate of Live Birth was NOT used by the State of Hawaii until November of 2001. How could Barack Obama’s name appear on a Certificate of Live Birth in August of 1961, FOURTY YEARS and THREE MONTHS before the State of Hawaii ever started using the Certificate of Live Birth?
I has two (2) sons borned in 1981 and 1982 at Hickman, AFB, Hawaii. They both got Certificates of Live Birth. Does that mean they are not American Citizens? They was not borned in Kenya and put back inside their mother and flew to Hawii to be borned again. They both got into the USA when it was time to rotate, one is in the Navy (OH, US Navy) and he used the COLB from Hawaii to join. He recently reenlisted for the third time, wonder when they will find out he is not a US Citizen like President Obama??
I believe there is a finite amount of intelligence in the universe and the more people there are, the thinner it is spread.. and it is not spread equally anyway. Hence, the Oblama apologists.
All I know is, if I were married to a foreign national and living in another country, I would want my child to have the benefits of being an American citizen. Therefore, I believe Obama’s mother and grandparents published birth announcements, etc., in Hawaii in order to ensure he would reap the benefits of being an “American.” I can’t understand why so many American people can’t see this as being a plausible answer.
You just don’t get it do you? The birth issue is dead,gone,buried. If you guys have nothing better to do than continue whining about this non issue,i pity you for a purposeless life.
dingyoso…It ain’t over till the half-breed sings.
Perhaps the attorney who was fined $20,000 could explain to the lot about how he filed a frivolous lawsuit by the courts with the subject being to have Obama’s birth certificate. Has any wanting to see the birth certificate filed a suit in courts? Perhaps you could and we could increase revenues and get rid of some of the debts. Ever think why the birth record was sealed, this was by the governor of Hawaii because of frivolous request for the birth record. Maybe the state of Hawaii could get everyone wanting to see the birth record to spend a minimum of one week in Hawaii and then pay a large fee to see the record. It would increase income to the hotels and restaurants and help the state also. Want to sign up.
Mr. Lord:
I have no idea how the elections official obtained the information. Possibly it was his job to confirm that the people running for elective office were eligible to do so. I do not know what his official position was, only relating what was in the news.
I resent your implying that I was stating an untruth about my son being born in Hawaii. I was in the U.S. Army stationed in Hawaii when he was born. I saw the Certification of Live Birth posted on the internet about four months ago and then pulled my son’s birth certificate out of the file drawer to compare them. There is a considerable difference and the Certification of Live Birth contains much less information.
Someone suggested going to Hawaii to check it out. You can’t obtain information that has been sealed by the Governor of Hawaii.
If you want to compare what a birth certificate and a certification of birth looks like, ask the State of Hawaii to provide it. Read Mr. Galvin’s post, August 24th at 5:40pm before you do so.
The ball is in Obama’s court for the present. At this point in time, neither House has the vote to proceed with Impeachment Action. In my opinion, there are those currently holding office, that are of the same opinion as the majority of the negative comments posted in this thread.
It is my opinion, after the November election. There will be a great effort put forth to either force Obama to produced the necessary documents or face impeachment proceedings. Impeachment would best severe the purpose of the American citizens. Thereby, causing “ALL” offical actions and Presidential orders, enacted by Obama, null and void.
One should realise, when weighing Obama’s manner and character, that he is politician from the over flow of trickie Dickie Daley’s Chicago cesspool politicians. I seem to recall, that Illinois, I am sorry to admit is home state, has more politicians of questionable character, than any of the other 49 states, which strongly reflects on Obama’s strong arm politicial questional character.
The results of the November election is our court. It is up to the voter to remove the Obamaites. Thereby, voting in the individuals, that best serve the cause for which they are elected.
I can’t add more to what already has been said, now is the time while we are still free to a degree to put our body where are mouth is. Yes, revolt, take it to the streets as you did for women’s suffrage rights, Martin Luther King freedom marches, gay rights marches, Viet Nam protest marches that stopped the war.
If you have the energy and guts to do that we can easily overthrow this criminal government that is rapidly destroying our livelihoods and families. When the government started taking over your 401k’s and now is in the process of getting ready to reduce your social security checks what more must you experience to tell you something is drastically wrong in this nation of ours. Yes, “WE THE PEOPLE’ still have the power and constitutional authority to get rid of these criminal bogus tyrannical bastards, it’s solely up to you to make the difference.
JH
It’s true, you’re duped alright. And I wonder if you’re smart enough to realize you’re calling for armed insurection and that can bring a charge of treason? You do know,don’t you,that people watch extreme people on sites like this? But, you’re a tough guy and a few law enforcement agents ringing your doorbell won’t scare you into cowering before oppression,right?
dingyoso the great liar.You forgot to put the word “racist” in there. Great looneyleft tactic,dingy.Drop a word here,add a word there,and bingo,dingo,you’ve got the story you need for your propoganda.Where did he even hint at “arms” or “insurrection”? Dingyoso the baiter. Trying to instigate riots and insurrection. Hussein,the dictator is very pleased looney-leftie. For that you’ll go straight to CHIEF of Hussein’s civilian police force.
Well now, let me see if you can follow this…’revolt’, ‘overthrow this criminal gov’t’. Does that sound like peaceful protest to you?
‘Criminal,tyrannical bastards’. He sounds a little angry amd mixed. It’s the Repubs talking about reducing social security and the Dems trying to save it.
This person is a friggin fraud!!! Believe it!!!
Well, ~ It’s appears that “worthy opposition” has finally made it’s presence know here on Mr, Livingston Forum.
Thanks you Mr Livingston for offering us such a forum and you willingness to permit contrasting points of view.
And a special thanks to all the new posters for making their presence known. I was beginning to wonder if you’d ever show up. I’ve been out numbered and surrounded for a good while. ~ but I like it that way, I’ve work to do here and love good banter,
If you don’t speak out ~ they assume that they are “correct” in holding onto a “majority” , a self validation of sorts. Silences is viewed as consent.
Be advised they attack both the message and the messenger here and you can expect personal insults. It’s a common practice as they attempt to elevate themselves by peeing on your leg.
I’d encourage you to rise above it and stay on message, addressing only the worst offenders when the occasions demands it.
And most of all, ~ Hammer the track record ! The conservatives are coming into the General Election with a horrible track record. They have no defense for this. They would rather discuss something else , like Obama’s legitimacy.
We can expect midterm losses ~ it’s a normal occurrence in such times. They will use these gains as a farther attempt to validate their position.
But again, hammer the record! ~ They will cry, “I tied of hearing about prior Administrations!” ~ “let’s talk about Obama!” ~ but little substance will they offer you, just more whining and crying. “He’s not securing our borders!” , “He’s been slow to address BP” , “He’s not an American”, “He’s a Muslim” , ” he listen to a twisted pastor too long” , on and on it goes , “he’s a Marxist” , “He’s a socialist”, “He’s a communist”, “He’s a Globalist” ~ on and on and on !
Find new ways of saying BUSH! and hammer them! W , 43 ! 41! HB GB! ~ 43 administration, executive office. Hammer Reagan record ! junk bonds, hostile take overs, leveraged buy outs, down sized, arms for hostages, bank failures, antitrust immunity , ~compare deportation records, forced retirement, Beirut bombing, 350 dead Marines. , cost of living.
In spite of all the pretty words and good intentions ~ 30 years Conservative’s policy of running the nation has brought us to where we are today. ~ These people overly depend on the benevolence of the wealthy and see government attempting to create a level playing field for all Americans as interference that will change their position at the feed trough. There is just not enough room for every American to be at the wealthy mans food trough ~ They have money and have built their wealth taking advantage of unlevel playing field and investments in special interest. They worked the system as it was offered them. ~ They like the system as it was. Any change is seen a unfavorable.
Hammer the record.
And he’s a racist.
Bob, since I am retired, and have the time, I have been following this president since I first heard that he was going to run. I agree with some of the things you said, but only some. Yes! we have had corrupt Republicans as well as corrupt Democrats. I don’t condune corruption, whether it is a Republican, or Democrat. I try to vote for the person running for office regardless of his party. If I feel the person running for office is honest, and has the best interest of this country in mind, will try to serve the people instead of himself, then I will vote for that person. I feel that Obama is a narcissist, egotistical, or what ever you want to call him. He has done more harm to this country, either intentionally, or maybe the fact that he is surrounded himself by idiots that do not have any economic experience. He has hired a lot of his cronies which does not set well into the mindset of most good hard working Americans. His ideology certainly does not fit mine, and a lot of other folks. This is a list of things Obama has done that is troublesome to me.
#1-He has got this country in more debt than all the past presidents .The debt was approx $7 trillion dollars when he entered office. Now our debt. is around $13.2 trillion dollars, nearly doubled. When you are having money problems, do you run out and continue to borrow more, or do you buy less and make what you have do? Bob, there is not anyone who can buy themselves our of debt. It is ludicrous to even entertain this thought.
#2-He sides with a foreign government (Mexico) over one of our own states. Why wouldn’t he want Arizona, or any other border state, to protect it’s citizens. I think I know this answer to this one.
#3-He is constantly going all over the world apologizing, and bowing, to foreign leaders. This country has helped more countries, financially, than any other country in the world. Where have you been, Bob? I don’t know how old you are, Bob, but you should have known this? I am a 72 years of age and I have known this for several years.
#4- He sat in a church for around 20 years that preached hated for America. Not good Bob, unless you agree with Rev. Wright.
He denied the United States Air Force flyover of the rally of “God & Country” in Nampa, Idaho recognizing our military. This flyover has taken place for the last 42 yrs. Could this mean that he is possibly a Muslim and is hostile to Christianity? I have mentally noted a lot of things that he has broken the tradition to when it comes to a Christian Values.
#5- His association with past criminals. yes! one is Bill Ayers. We all should know about this one as he was the one who bombed Federal Buildings back in the late 60′s and early 70′s. His close connection with Tony Rezco (real estate developer) who is now serving time in Federal Prison.
#6- He is a socialist that does not believe in our Capitalist system. Look at where we are today from 100 yrs ago. We did this through Capitalism, not communism. Look how far we are ahead of the Communist Countries. When we can work without government interference, we do a better job. Under Obama, this industrial revolution would never have materialized. We would still be using the horse and plow. We know he is a socialist by the fact of what he told, Joe the Plumber, that we all have to share. This reminds me of the tale of the ant and the grasshopper which you can read it here: http://www.longlongtimeago.com/llta_fables_antgrasshopper.html I only believe in helping those who helps themselves, with some exceptions, of course.
All of the above things may be alright with you Bob, if so, thank God you are in the minority. Bob, I could go on and on, but I think you will get the picture why Obama is not suited to be a president of a Christian Country. This is why you are outnumbered on this forum. We do not need a president like this. Do not watch what Obama says, watch what he does.
Wayne, thank you so much for your time and thoughtful response. That’s the way to do it ! say it! let’s talk about what’s bothering us.
It appears you seem to think your views are share by a majority and I am in the minority. Well Wayne that is true! but only here.
>>#1-He has got this country in more debt than all the past presidents .The debt was approx $7 trillion dollars when he entered office. Now our debt. is around $13.2 trillion dollars, nearly doubled. When you are having money problems, do you run out and continue to borrow more, or do you buy less and make what you have do? Bob, there is not anyone who can buy themselves our of debt. It is ludicrous to even entertain this thought.>#2-He sides with a foreign government (Mexico) over one of our own states. Why wouldn’t he want Arizona, or any other border state, to protect it’s citizens. I think I know this answer to this one.<>#3-He is constantly going all over the world apologizing, and bowing, to foreign leaders. This country has helped more countries, financially, than any other country in the world. Where have you been, Bob? I don’t know how old you are, Bob, but you should have known this? I am a 72 years of age and I have known this for several years.<>#4- He sat in a church for around 20 years that preached hated for America. Not good Bob, unless you agree with Rev. Wright.<>> #3 He denied the United States Air Force flyover of the rally of “God & Country” in Nampa, Idaho recognizing our military. This flyover has taken place for the last 42 yrs. Could this mean that he is possibly a Muslim and is hostile to Christianity? I have mentally noted a lot of things that he has broken the tradition to when it comes to a Christian Values.
Response; I know nothing about this and really don’t know what it means.
>>#5- His association with past criminals. yes! one is Bill Ayers. We all should know about this one as he was the one who bombed Federal Buildings back in the late 60′s and early 70′s. His close connection with Tony Rezco (real estate developer) who is now serving time in Federal Prison.<<
Response; I don’t think these “relationships” are as ‘close” as you seem to think. ~ I have two family members serving time for murder, both from different side of the house. Am I guilty by association or blood as well? One shot his wife for screwing around and the other shot a business partner of 20 years for screwing him around. As for myself, I’ve never killed anyone by accident or in anger.
And Wayne ~ I agree with you ~ watch what they all do ~ and pay less attention to what they say.
If this post wasn't so long already ~ we could have a look at that!
That would be a fun thing to do.
Wayne…you say that Obama said to Joe the plumber, ‘we all have to share’. Not quite the correct quote, as it was actually, ‘we should share the wealth of the country’. Nevertheless, it sounds pretty Christian to me and something Jesus would say when we have a country w/ millions in dire poverty,jobs that don’t pay enough for people to escape poverty,millions of innocent children growing up in slums and often poor parenting and schooling…all the while we have the top 2%
owning over half the wealth generated by working people.
‘Share the wealth’? Why not? Isn’t that the purpose of humans living together in tribes,villages,towns,cities,countries? You think we should leave mentally ill people living under bridges? Should we leave homeless Vietnam Vets on the streets? Should we let children live in shacks and gang neighborhoods and grow up to follow their peers into crime and drugs?
My bet is that,like most of the hard right, you say you’re a Christian…you don’t sound like followers of Jesus to me.
Denniso said: Quit bitching so freaking much and maybe try to help the country recover from the collapse that began with your man Shrub.
Denniso: I am calling you out with the following proof that the democrats are the ones that refused to acknowledge their poor judgment in backing Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and the eventual collapse of the economy.
These videos should be seen by EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN and should be SEEN before ELECTIONS. How do you think this should be handled to get to the right people that SHOULD USE these videos or parts of in their campaigns? It explains the reason for the melt-down explicitly. They are truly amazing! It puts the blame where it should go in DEMOCRATS own words and explains why they keep the heat on the Republicans by blaming them for the financial crisis.
Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words at hearings in 2004 Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&NR=1
Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=channel
Barney Frank in 2005: What Housing Bubble?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE&feature=related
Barney Frank Caught Lying About Fannie Mae
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UZ9l_AxKjA&feature=related
Barney Frank lies about Home Ownership on CNBC 5-21-2010???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRVIeCYAJFk&feature=related
Barney Frank confessing that the Democrat agenda is about power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zfqJfPuFjE&feature=related
Pelosi clueless on Barney Frank, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and financial meltdown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbqzp2-qsAU&feature=related
Truth, thank you very much for posting these videos. I have viewed many of them. I am with you 100%, they should be put on every TV in the country, starting in Sept. and run up to election day so the folks will know who is to blame for this fiasco of this economy. I know a lot of folks that are still sticking their heads in the sand, and do not want to know the truth about Obama, or his Zombies followers. Hopefully everyone will know the truth before election day. Some people wouldn’t know the truth if it hit them in the head.
Watched the films, what did the GOP accomplish? Nothing. What does the GOP accomplish? Nothing. Will the GOP accomplish anything in November? It seems the Democrats are the only ones that show courage in their convictions. The only things I hear from the Republicans is rhetoric. Granted, good ideas that should have been heard years ago but why weren’t they voted for with this administration? Seems the Republicans “good ideas” were actually moved on and approved by Democrats. They weren’t even voted for by those Republicans, you say, brought them into the light in the first place. The “current” Republican party really is one of “No we cant” and “No we wont”. As Obama says of the Republicans in Congress’s “No we cant attitude” “Inspiring”. Really makes me want to vote Democrat where things are actually getting done.
Mike B. Very nice twist. The Dems have “done” many things in the past 20 months (and, really, you could add the two years they controlled the house under the Bush presidency). You know, like watching unemployment rise and stay around 10%, watching the housing market continue to dive, of course, they were active in the massive debt the country has piled up (including 57 billion sent to foreign banks), and they will watch as taxes rise in January. Let’s see…oh yeah, they were quite successful at taking over the car industry, and in causing health insureance prices to rise as they take over health care. Yep, a very successful time for all! Well, for anyone on welfare that is.
The collapse started under your pals Cheny/Shrub after they doubled the national debt to 10 trillion $$ and wasted lives and another trillion or more on 2 failed wars,one which we were promised by Cheny the corrupt we would be ‘greeted as liberators’…remember? A drug plan that cost another trillion $$ and tax cuts for the wealthiest that cost another trillion…who’s doing the big spending? Who had to spend to try and save the freaking coutry from a devasting depression?
Are you just a blind partisan or a full fledged idiot? Your bias is so
obvious it’s pathetic…
I just want to make a shot comment to some of the slower people on here who have a need to twist my screen name for their childish purposes. When you do that and I come back to try and respond to attacks,I search w/ my name because I don’t have the unlimited time
that some here apparently do to scroll through all the comments…so,
often I don’t get the pleasure of seeing the often illiterate comments responding to me. If you really want me to see how much you loathe me or my ideas,try using my screen name correctly,otherwise you
don’t get the pleasure of insulting me.
It’s Denniso…spanish name that sounds like this…Deh nee so.
Shot?? no, short…
Denniso – on this we can agree – I think it looks bad for the poster to do that stuff as well.
Denniso, so IT IS all about you. I thought you made your inane conmments because you believed it. But, really you are just looking for attention. Whew! Thanks for clearing that up!
Hey truck…too complicated for you? My point is that if I’m engaging in a discussion w/ someone it’s helpful to see what they say. If they don’t use my screen name then I don’t see responses that are further down. I have work to do and can’t scroll all the way through when the comments number in the hundreds. You’re not working it sounds like?
Denniso, well duh. I got your point. It’s just fun to poke at you from time to time. I really enjoy watching you squirm around when counter points to your inane and childish belief system are challenged by those you would consider “beneath you”. BTW I would put my paycheck up against your welfare check any day of the week. You take life and posts here way to serious. But, then again it is your right to think that anyone posting here will have any effect on the opinions of others and the country in general. I find that this is a nice little distraction from real life, you know, outside of the blogasphere.
You’re pulling rightwing crap again…welfare check? Who? Not me,as I’ve never been involved w/ any gov’t money,not even unemployment. You throw out a lie saying that i get a welfare check and there are people here who will believe it because they don’t know any better. Stick to what you know about someone and quit using that rightwing
tactic of spreading lies about people…me in particular.
Lighten up denniso, are you so serious you can’t take a little ribbing?
You folks that are for Obama, are you self employed, or do you work for a small business? Ask most small business owners how they like Obamanomics. Remember, if you are not self employed, then you are most likely working for a small business that does not like Obamanomic. Of course, maybe some of you just don’t work, period. Don’t let your boss know that you are supporting a president that is working against them. I heard about one such incident that goes like this: The boss checked all the cars in the parking lot, and found the ones that had the Obama signs on them. When it came time for a layoff he layed off the one who supported Obama. So, for those of you folks who support Obama, make sure you remove those signs from your cars.
I’m a liberal and have been self employed my entire life excepting 2yrs…I support Obama trying to get the economy going after the Bush
crash.
Denniso, how many folks do you employ, one? I am talking about a small business that employees several employees that has to meet a stringent payroll and be able to keep their employees insured. This nationalized insurance will kill, or cripple, this kind of business. If you are self employed you will not even notice it until it is too late. Just continue keeping your head in the sand. I have made my point. My comments are directed toward Independents who can understand what I am saying. I have made my point and I rest my case.
while not a liberal and a small business owner of 30 + years, with 3 households depending on the business and our cooperate interest. Insured for 5 million, and 35 million dollar umbrella. Plus, assisting 1 brother and 1 project woman on the “mend” ~ I voted and supported the Obama administration and continue to do so, Until which time I stop.
first# McCain didn’t have a clue ~ and didn’t bring a game.
second# Special Interest has the GOP by the cahunia’s to a much greater extent then the DNC.
third# The GOP scoff and wipes it feet on “Labor”, we don’t count and not considered important as long are there is “no shortage”
forth# If you thought Reagan served the American people up a great economy ~ You are on a different side of the fence then I and we have little in common besides one head and a pair of arms and legs.
fifth ” I am all about “Labor” ~ I expect production, people expect me to produce, ~ No production ~ no excuses, no jack, ~ life is that simple on such matters. ~ I serve people and take pride in service for a fair price and job well done.
Plus ~ not accepting responsibility and manning up for a poor job ~ while drawing the “fair play” ~ angers me more then the bad job.
Wayne…the number of people I employ or have throughout almost my entire adult life as a small business person isn’t the issue. Just as the ‘several’ you employ matter, though compared to Warren Buffet they are insignificant in number. I’m a small business person and probably have been for longer than you. I still work when the majority here are sitting around on their computers all day. Soaring insurance costs for the past 25 yrs have had a stranglehold on all business in this country,large or small. You people would have us do nothing and just keep paying more billions into insurance co’s and watching people go bankrupt from the obscene cost of healthcare.
Some plan the rightwing has…
You folks that have McCain Palin stickers on you cars should remove them right now if you work for a large or small corporation.Rumor has it many of these companies are taking the owners of these cars in for IQ tests and no matter what the result they are being given pink slips.Heard it on Beck.
Having my secretary go out to the parking lot now. I don’t want to lay off anyone but would rather keep a worker rather than a birther. Thanks for the idea, no need for the test, the sticker says it all.
Mike B, I think you were trying a bit of humor, but your comment says much about your personality. In fact, it aligns you well with the current administration’s intolerance towards those who would disagree. You know, the tactic of belittle, besmirch and fire. Now go see if uncle sugar has another bail out for your company.
I don’t need a bailout, Now more than ever I need employees to produce. China’s our biggest competition and Bush really brought that home during his administration. I don’t need employees that aren’t willing to give it their best even if the economy does, in a word, suck. We’re all in this messed up economy but I seriously notice that the employees I have the most trouble with are the ones who complain most about our “Liberal” government. What employees would you choose to keep? Sorry but I’ve got a family to feed, I go to work, I do my job, I expect the same from those I work with.
Whatever, that’s your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. I’m not sure why you are having such a hard time finding workers, but mine have been very motivated in the last year by the downward spiral of the ecomomy. They seem to have a clear grasp of reality. However, I would like to wish you luck with the tax increases coming in January along with the new govt mandates hidden in the HCB. Your guys have done “wonders” for small business.
My experience has afforded me the view,~ as a group, right wingers are champions of intolerance, displaying tendency’s of a zealot.
One example of this would be the treatment the Dixie Chick’s received by Fox News and their supporters when they voices candid unfavorable comments about 43′s polices several years ago. ~ And then there was the “non Christian” labeling of anyone that opposed the war, many of us endured . There are many other examples ~ if you question my comments.
The present administration has been target of Fox News from the moment Obama took the oath and it has been unrelenting in it’s attempt to undermine and discredit everything DNC. From Michell shoes to Obama’s speaking to school children about how they too have a job to do in supporting their country and get a quality education.
Do you wish to deny this has ~ and ~ is taking place?
Do you think it wrong for someone get feed up with it and respond after many months of frivolous and unwarranted attacks? Attacks mounted from the far right, from Rupert Murdoch desk, to Russ, to Beck to Dick Chaney’s “straight” daughter, wife of a GOP shoe-in to Home Land Security attorney to the wife of Supreme Court Justice Thomas?
Yes! This administration has been under an orchestrated attack from all levels of the right to the far right e v e r y d a y !!
So don’t point the finger of intolerance unless you are really willing to discuss it!
Why do you think you “feel” as you do? ~ You and your “like minds” are victims of media programing. As the right and it’s media affiliates have attempted to incite a riot and mob rule.
~ And today, you actually maintain your feelings are shared by an illusion of some majority! That being so, only by what you consume and the company you elect to keep and surround yourselves with.
~ I suppose penguins might consider themselves as a “Majority” on their tiny outcropping of wasteland as well.
Jeep, yes I was kidding about the parking lot.
I know Mike B, we may have ideological differences, and may even resort to some sharp and biting comments to put our points across. But, I would really never think you would be that cruel!
Wayne: Your post at 1:52pm, Aug 25th, Well said.
I agree! Wayne post was a great post and from the heart.
I replied to it but it posted ~ leaving out much of my comments. ~ As I draft a post on a WORD document and then copy and paste it on the forum post. ~ I’m not sure why it alters and omits much of my post ~ but I’ll try one more time ~ I ask your indulgence ~ if it does it again ~ I’ll stick with simpler postings in the future.
#1-He has got this country in more debt than all the past presidents .The debt was approx $7 trillion dollars when he entered office. Now our debt. is around $13.2 trillion dollars, nearly doubled.
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Response ; close but no cigar ! On Inauguration Day, the Debt stood at $10.626 trillion. The latest posting from the Treasury Department shows that as of July 31st, the debt hit $11.669 trillion.
During the last administration, it took over 2 years for the National Debt to increase a trillion dollars. But by the time former president George W. Bush left office, he had run up the deficit by a record amount: $4.9-trillion over eight years.
Plus GB’s administration made “NO” arrangements to paying for his wars, while offering taxs cuts. ~ So Yes! This administration is having to spend some cash to pay for what Bush bought! Don’t you expect us to honor our commitment, pay our bills and address the needs of the nation? ~ If anything , ~ He’s working to see less money is spent outside the US. These terrorist are in for some “downsizing” with money matters.
#2-He sides with a foreign government (Mexico) over one of our own states.
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Response; His not against states defense Wayne ~ he opposes the instrument of law they chose and asked the courts for a ruling! While he has beefed up security at the border and there is more to come. And on a side note ~ Today ~ Immigration is setting new records and deporting more people from the US in recent history.
#3-He is constantly going all over the world apologizing, and bowing, to foreign leaders. This country has helped more countries, financially,
than any other country in the world. Where have you been, Bob? I don’t know how old you are, Bob, but you should have known this? I am a 72 years of age and I have known this for several years.
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Response; I am 62, veteran of 2 women, 4 kids and the Nam war. Granted ! Obama has had to put on his “statesman hat” ~ mend some fences and seek cooperation , ~ especially after Dick the snake Chaney crass statesmanship and the world left to wonder if the US held any respect for international law anymore. ~ It’s called stroking feathers. After 8 years of blowing things up and violating national boundaries a looking for one rag head, the rest of the world took comfort in Obama;’s demure ~ even if you and I didn’t.
And on a side note, we need to quite trying to buy friends ~ and dance with the people that brought us to the party.
#4- He sat in a church for around 20 years that preached hated for America. Not good Bob, unless you agree with Rev. Wright.
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Response; while I concur but only in part ~ I don’t like or agree with my pastor on many things. ~ But! There is several things at work here ~ 1# Rev. Wright became consumed over a period of time, These outburst ‘became’ more frequent! ~ I’m left to think, many in the congregation did carry concern about Wright while not completely certain how to address them. 2# You belong to a church, not a pastor! These are the people that will stand with you in times of great sorrow. These are the people that know you and you know them. ~ and in my case , I go to church for my aging parents as I do not wish to attend my parents funeral with strangers. One might carry some reservations to find a new church home, regardless of a pastor. ( for the record, ~ my church would got rid of him in time) ~ but understand , this church was being torn apart by his man, the only question was when it would happen. ~ We lost pastors over the years as well, ~
#5 , He denied the United States Air Force flyover of the rally of “God & Country” in Nampa, Idaho recognizing our military. This flyover has taken place for the last 42 yrs. Could this mean that he is possibly a Muslim and is hostile to Christianity? I have mentally noted a lot of things that he has broken the tradition to when it comes to a Christian Values.
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Response; I know nothing about this and really don’t know what it means.
#6- His association with past criminals. yes! one is Bill Ayers. We all should know about this one as he was the one who bombed Federal Buildings back in the late 60′s and early 70′s. His close connection with Tony Rezco (real estate developer) who is now serving time in Federal Prison.
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Response; I don’t think these “relationships” are as ‘close” as you seem to think. ~ I have two family members serving time for murder, both from different side of the house. Am I guilty by association or blood as well? One shot his wife for screwing around and the other shot a business partner of 20 years for screwing him around. As for myself, I’ve never killed anyone by accident or in anger.
And the notion of “majority” is only here and where “you” frequent Wayne.
Bob, I don’t know where you received your information on the current National Debt, but I received my figures from http://www.usdebtclock.com It is now over $13.375 trillion. Check it out for yourself and you will be amazed. Check out the US unfunded liabilities debt on the bottom. It is well over a $110,000,000,000,000 and climbing. Believe me, it will take this country many decades, increased taxes, common sense and reduced spending to get us out of this debt. Be prepared to sacrifice over the next several years when the economy crashes. It will have to crash. Bob, I made a mistake on the debt in 2008. Sorry about that. This is the National Debt On 09/30/2008–$10,024,724,896,912.49. It has been increased approx. 3.3 trillion since that time. To see where I came up with this figure go here: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm Bob, as I have stated earlier, both parties are partly responsible for the hugh debt, but Obama has been the worst. Yes, we can continue to blame in on Bush, but when is Obama going to take the responsiblity for his part, or will he ever take the blame? Eventually he will have to accept this responsibility.
I am surprised that you would go in that direction Bob.
I think that is a distraction to a much more dangerous scenario which so easily gets relegated to the conspiracy nut bin. Forget the, where was he born argument, I am speaking about the possibility of him being selected and helped to power by the CIA much like Bush was. Who is really running things in America and the world for that matter.
The possibility of the Banking cartel actually controlling pretty much everything and making a fortune regardless of which way wars are being fought. They are and will continue to make money from all sides. I think that we need to focus on them and not Barack Obama.
I am sure they are happy that we are having these arguments instead of much more important things like, who pulled off the largest plunder of the people’s wealth in the history of the world. The crime of the century which no one is investigating. Watch the documentary Plunder!
I will Wayne . I’ll find and watch “Plunder”
and I’ve got one for for you!
“Boggie Man” ~ The Lee Atwater story
great fun to watch and very informative.
The end is a real “Killer” and perfect example of poetic justice and why we should not taunting the devil.
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CBS NEWS
$1 Trillion More in Debt Since Obama Took Office
Posted by Mark Knoller 99 comments
So rapid is the pace of deficit spending by the federal government, that the National Debt has increased over a trillion dollars since President Obama took office.
On Inauguration Day, the Debt stood at $10.626 trillion. The latest posting from the Treasury Department shows that as of July 31st, the debt hit $11.669 trillion.
During the last administration, it took over 2 years for the National Debt to increase a trillion dollars. But by the time former president George W. Bush left office, he had run up the deficit by a record amount: $4.9-trillion over eight years.
A great deal of current deficit spending was already in the pipeline from the Bush administration and Mr. Obama, anticipating this day, said that increases have to be kept in perspective.
“They basically handed me a bill for $1.3 trillion and said, ‘Here, fix it,’” insisted the president last week at a Town Hall Meeting in Bristol, VA. “And now they’re on TV saying, why haven’t you fixed it yet — in the middle of the greatest recession since the Great Depression.”
But since Mr. Obama took office, Congress approved his $787-billion stimulus plan. In addition, the new Administration had reign over the second half of the $700-billion bank bailout program.
“Look, I understand the concern about debt,” Mr. Obama said Thursday in Raleigh, N.C. “I’m looking at these spreadsheets every day. We dug ourselves a deep hole.” And he concedes that the recovery package enacted on his watch has added to the problem.
Bob, one more thing. If the Federal Government is responsibility for securing the border Obama certainly is not doing a very good job of it. How are all those thousands and thousands of illegals getting into this country every year if the border is secured? If this is the case then Obama is guilty of not doing his job. It is called Nonfeasance in Office. Here is the definition:
Definition: Failure to carry out an act required by law, or failure to perforance of law. If it is required by law, as it is, for the Feds to secure the border, then he is guilty of Nonfeasance. Nonfeasance by itself is a violation of the law. I was a Law enforement officer for 30 years. I do have a fairly good knowledge of the law.
We have thousands of border patrol on the border…we have a fence and wall on part of the border(already being penetrated, as many of us knew it would be)…we’ve spent hundreds of millions on high tech security along the border. The budget for the border operations is 20 or 30 billion $$ a year! And you don’t think Obama is doing anything for border security?
Have you ever seen the border? There is no possible way to totally secure the border and stop absolutely everyone from coming across. Sane people knew that 20 yrs ago and we know it now. Are you aware that smuggling also occurs along our thousands of miles of coastline?
Aren’t you concerned about the porus Canadian border? Canada has a large population of Muslims, many more than Mexico.
HE CAN’T DO EVERYTHING!! Give me a break. Think of some more things to blame on Obama, why don’t you. HE IS ONLY ONE MAN!!!
After reading through a few of these posts I got the general feeling that more than a few believe America to be a Christian country. For me, that’s a hard pill to swallow as I believe in freedom of religion. Living in Los Angeles that view would equate to this city being Mexican, as they are the majority. I believe there is good reason for the separation of church and state, but notice that this isn’t a typical Republican view. As an Independent (leaning left) I see no advantage to ANY faith politically other than attaining office. The fault in that squarely rests with us the voters allowing religion to make a difference. Although I wouldn’t vote for Mitt Romney, I did take issue with the news services trying to make something out of his Mormon faith. Now I’m seeing more and more being made out of Obama’s faith. First there was “over the top” coverage of Rev. Wright and now the same questioning Obama’s Christianity. Every election cycle the news media vies for superiority with inflammatory statements directed at a more than willing to listen audience. We have become sheep to the medias will. I see no way out and believe that very soon we WILL be a corporate run country. We really NEED some reform in politics, as we are too weak to turn off the tube.
I shut my TV down a few months ago Mike. ~ I now read the News and I don’t waste one minute of my life watching commercials.
And I agree with you regarding religion, ~
The Christian should be able to stand on his own without need of self labeling as they might feels need for identification.
If you need an “identifying label” of Christian for you benefit or others ~ you have managed to somehow Missed The Boat and are truly a CINO.
(Christian In Name Only)
This make me wonder , how many Muslim’s are the same way? ~ Never really got the message , understood the program and are just bumping through the motions of what they “think” they are suppose to do and think.
And Wayne ~ numbers can be tricky rascals and twisted to show many pictures. I would say my numbers are not any better the yours ~ but mine are believable ~ Obama has hit the ground in a hard run ~ made a lot of progress and has gone through some loot! There was a lot of unfinished business to address. ~ Myself, I wish 43 had allowed the first economic crash to take place and allowed Capitalism to “WorK” !
But this was not done ~ and so we were already engaged and committed to “privatized profits and socialized losses” before Obama was sworn into office. ~ The country was told that we were in a tailspin and there was only one way to avoid it. ~ Give them sons of a biscuits money!
So many “trends” were started on money matters under BUSH.
We’ve got 4 trillion of the top for two wars ~ that could have been avoided and addressed in “other more cost effective” ways.
We have very little to show for this 4 trillion Wayne. ~ Good military R&D. ~ We know what to expect of our equipment in harsh sands and heat. ~ Can you think of anything worth 4 trillion dollars that we’ve got out of the deal? Where is Osama?
These people are giving us the California Howdy and telling us to come back soon, ya hear!
Administration spending should slow down ~ and once everyone begins to share their fair burden of the load ~ things should improve for us all.
But you are right Wayne, it’s going to take a lot of time. ~ Time, I really don’t have. ~ At a working 62 , I’m looking at a dismal future. I’m at the top of my game and scratching.
Bob, you sound like a very good person, but our ideologies are different. Most of us want the same quality of life, but we differ in how to reach that plateau. I’m sure we both want the best for our country, and it’s people. I don’t have any other thing to judge it on except my experience in life and working with the public for over thirty years. I’ve had 4 years in the US Air Force and 30 in law enforcement and a few other jobs in between. At my age of 72, and the experiences I have had from the above occupations, I feel that this does give me good qualifications in decision making. I don’t want you to think I have tried to change your mind. I just wanted to express my views. Peoples views differ due to their personal experience in life, the way they are raised by their parents, their surroundings and I sure a other things have a bearing also. I’ll turn this over to some one now. I’m finished with my comments. Have a good evening.
I want to comment on this article, but is so ridiculous that I don’t know where, or how to start. Maybe I should, instead, pose a simple question: are you saying that we have an illegal alien sitting in the White House and the U.S. Congress is doing nothing about it?. And you want us to believe that? You know, this is the same congress that would impeach a sitting president for having oral sex, yet, would not inpeach an illegal one?. Please, be real. This whole article by Bob Livingston is an insult to the intelligence of the average person. And anyone that takes it seriously should probably be on meds. But, then again, anybody that still thinks President Obama was not born in the U.S. is delusional, and by the content of some of your letters, I say, quite a few of you are.
It is ridiculous and it feels like we’re talking to inmates in an asylum.The article is also wrong regarding the numbers…Livingston says that 6 in 10 aren’t sure where Obama was born…I looked at the poll and it states that 27% don’t think he was born here. Nobody else here looked at the poll. The 27% isn’t surprising because that’s about the size of the radical right in the country. Those who still believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11 and that he had WMD. It’s the core group of wackos in the Repub party and most of them are right here.
Obama obviously is not an American born citizen ~ if he was, he would show the World the proof. No, this man is an impostore, who won the election through dirty illegal means, by signing ineligibles up to vote. Once in office, the lies began. WHAT HAS THIS PERSON DONE FOR
AMERICA? NOTHING. Nothing American ~ that is. Obama has proved himself to be a MARXIST. He has committed so many HIGH CRIMES & MISDEMEANERS ~ HE MUST BE REMOVED ANT WAY POSSIBLE !!!
GOD BLESS AMERICA**LET FREEDOM RING**LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF**
And you’ve proven yourself to be demented…not worth the time to debate.
truesoy, you spoke almost truly 8/27/2010 at 12:36 pm:
‘we have an illegal alien sitting in the White House’
Maybe you could have slightly rephrased that as ‘we have a dual citizen sitting in the White House.’ That is also forbidden by the Constitution, which is under attack by Constitutional law student and Professor Obama.
The U.S.A.’s 44th President is an Indonesian by race as well as citizenship. He is not a cross between ‘that white woman’ Ann Stanley Dunham in Kansas and ‘that Black Muslim’ Barack Hussein Obama in Kenya.
But to see that, you’d have to have a well-developed visual center in your mind, with a keen eye for proportion, like an artist. And to back that up, you’d have to be familiar with the features of many races (something you can’t gain without up-close experience or at least a label on what you see in the media — we see all kinds of races but have no clue what we’re looking at). Most people have no personal experience with what happens when you cross two people of different races (the child still looks like his parents and/or relatives!).
In the absence of personal visual talent and visual memory, it’s helpful to see a photo that makes Obama’s racial heritage clear.
I have seen such a photo. Therefore, I doubt Obama’s DNA story. It’s as simple as that.
For me, the birth certificate is important, but is a secondary issue to his parentage and his fundamental loyalties … which parentage and loyalties are why the birth certificate is important, and why the Constitution specifically mandates that it is important.
Some cry ‘deluded’ when you are a ‘birther,’ a disparaging term meant to belittle what you might see with your own eyes. But the truly deluded are those people who unquestioningly follow (like lemmings, as one poster here keeps warning) the Democrats’ pro-Obama propaganda: the absolutely stunning verbal and Photo-Shopped photographic mirages that have been constructed by the international apparatus that funded Obama’s campaign and helped hoodwink the exhausted, discouraged and weary people on the bottom in capitalist America to put him in the White House.
If Obama is not who he says he is, and if people believe what he says while they are nevertheless wide awake, then they are seeing ‘something that isn’t there:’ the classic psychiatric definition of hallucination.
It is not the attitude of skepticism that proves anything either way. But skepticism is the first step towards the truth, coming from either side.
Those Obama supporters who remain skeptical about what they think are ‘conspiracy theories’ and ‘unfounded disbelief’ concerning Obama’s birth certificate are on the same ground as Obama detractors who are skeptical about his birth certificate’s validity.
However, it is interesting that the only people calling for scientific inquiry and proof are the ones concerned about the negative repercussions of an invalid presidency.
The most shocking thing I see right now is that so many Americans are willing to have a possibly unqualified and potentially foreign-based man as their leader.
No wonder Obama’s world is laughing at us behind our backs, while our spiritual brothers everywhere are pleading with us to open our eyes, to wake up!
Why did we fight the American Revolution for our independence from Great Britain if we have now ‘progressed’ to the incredible ho-hum servile status of saying to any foreign power that wants to conquer us, ‘Oh, yeah, come on over. Just walk right on into the White House. We’re not prejudiced against you taking over. The door’s open. The money and power are all yours. We’ve left the light on for ya.’
GloWorm, First lets clear the birth certificate issue: President Obama, then candidate Obama, posted his birth certificate on line because of the wacky rumors started by a republican/conservative opposition for the wacky at heart. But because this was not good enough the governor of Hawaii, a republican, had to certify that it was legit, and yet, to you guys this was still not good enough. Why, because some wacky individual was not allowed to pull President Obama’s birth certificate?. For your information, nobody can pull somebody else’ birth certificate. And there is a valid reason for that. This, so the guy who lives down the street from you can’t go to the courthouse and get your birth certificate. Then, as if this republican generated nonsense was not good enough, they added another twist to the fairy tale: Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen because his father was born in Kenya and was not a citizen of the United States. And there you go, running around yelling ‘he is not a citizen’ because his father was not. Again, maybe, if you knew that in accordance with the U.S. Constitution, anyone born in the United States is a natural born citizen, regardless of the parents immigration status (by the way, Obama’s mother was born here).
Ps.- You know, that other guy that ran for president on the republican ticket against Obama, was not born in the U.S., I am not kidding you, really, McCain was born in Panama. I understand that because, for whatever reasons, you don’t like Obama this is not be an issue, unless it was Obama the one born in Panama. What I can’t comprenhend is why the spreading of lies, either on purpose, or maybe just because you like to parrot what others say without first checking the facts. My suggestion to you would be to use a little common sense before making illogical statements. Nonsense should not be the engine that motivates you!.
truesoy,
Thank you for responding.
Look at your sentences beginning ‘Again, maybe, if you knew’ (dangling clause with no main sentence), ‘I understand that … Obama this is not be an issue … unless it was Obama the one born in Panama.’ Are you not a native speaker of English? (Your English is mostly quite good, I’d say.) Or were you editing and forgot the final proofreading? That does happen.
Notice that a possible ‘clue’ alerted me to the possibility that you’re not a native speaker of English. And notice that my next step was to ask you point blank for the factual answer to that question. This is a direct parallel to the ‘clues’ and unanswered questions that fuel the birthers’ dogged pursuit of factual answers about the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency.
You said, ‘I understand that because, for whatever reasons, you don’t like Obama…’ But it’s not about ‘not liking’ Obama himself. He’s a very charming and sexy fellow, I think, although other people to whom I’ve said that in person have disagreed with me. For me, however, being sexy or charming is not all there is to a man, especially when he wants to be, or is (legitimately or illegitimately) the leader of my nation, profoundly affecting my personal life.
It was easy to see that Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and John McCain were all pandering to Obama during the farcical so-called debates during the 2008 presidential campaign, which was not at all hotly contested (unless you think rigged fake-fight World Championship Wrestling matches are hotly contested).
John McCain (who was born to two American citizens in a U.S. military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone, and whose U.S. citizenship was apparently blessed by special dispensation) was downright disgusting in his bowing to Obama at every opportunity. It was obvious that Obama was a shoe-in, and everyone was pretending to run against him just so it could be said that he ‘won’ the battle for the presidency. John Edwards and Hillary Clinton were both holding themselves in reserve as if hedging their bets on the presidency just in case they might later want to angle for a position in Obama’s White House.
This put me in an awkward position, given that I already had grave misgivings about Obama’s identity, based on something I had seen in about August of 2007.
Please reconcile these two statements of yours:
(1) Obama, posted his birth certificate on line
(2) nobody can pull somebody else’ birth certificate
First, was the online document a birth certificate, or was it a certificate of live birth (which only verifies that he was born into this world … somewhere … and which states exactly what a parent dictates, whether true or not)?
Second, if nobody can get anybody else’s birth certificate (which is not true, as genealogical researchers and family members know), then why would Obama put his birth certificate online (and was it him that personally did that)?
Did you really read my entire post … thoughtfully? Did you notice the points I made?
Did you ask what I meant by Obama’s dual citizenship, or did you just assume that I meant what others have said about it? I admit that I didn’t explain what I meant by it. My bad.
So here is what I think about the question of Obama’s dual citizenship:
(1) I believe Obama’s Indonesian citizenship may still be in force,
(2) I’m not so sure about the veracity of Obama’s Kenyan birth and citizenship (which citizenship no one, and certainly not me, has ever said was about Obama’s alleged Kenyan father being Kenyan), even though there is reportedly a Kenyan hospital, a Kenyan birth certificate and (Muslim, and therefore possibly compromised-and-willing-to-lie) witnesses to Obama’s birth there in Kenya (but to what mother? people refer to the footprint but not to the name of the mother of that Kenyan baby Barack Hussein Obama II), and
(3) if Ann Dunham is his birth mother (an allegation that was never proven by DNA testing), I would still be unclear as to his U.S. citizenship because of her age at his birth compared to the Constitutional requirements for conferring her U.S. citizenship upon him if he was not born on U.S. soil or territory, and
(4) I am dumbfounded by the photo I have seen which clearly shows Obama’s facial features (if not Photo-Shopped) as matching those of a prominent Indonesian ruler whose photo was taken in 1989 or not long after that.
But you didn’t ask about the photo.
The rightwing wackos have been throwing out all sorts of lies and rumors about Obama to try and confuse people and ultimately destroy him…it works w/ some of the more clueless and dull witted people.
Hi, Denniso,
You said 8/28/2010 at 6:49 pm, ‘The rightwing wackos have been throwing out all sorts of lies and rumors about Obama to try and confuse people and ultimately destroy him…it works w/ some of the more clueless and dull witted people.’
Are you saying that this photo showing Obama’s striking facial similarity to an Indonesian ruler might have been concocted by rightwing wackos? Now, you wouldn’t be implying that I myself might be one of those clueless and dull-witted people who was confused by their trick, would you?
You didn’t ask about the photo. You simply concocted an opinion based on what is already in your head, and on what you might reasonably think about when actually faced with the photo itself … and your reasoning in and of itself is not bad at all.
Have you seen the photo? Do you know the sources from which it was taken? If so, I’d honestly like to know what you know about it.
(I apologize if this sounds a bit like, ‘Did you really read the Arizona law before stating an opinion on it?’)
GloWorm
This is not english 101. It is politics 101, and you need to use a bit more common sense before accepting as fact what the promoters of this nonsense feed you. There are only two ways to be their useful fool: (1) willingly and (2) acually being one. The choice is yours.
PS., Sometimes I dont has time to proove read what I rite but I know now dat I could always count on you. Thank You GloWorm
Aw, truesoy, you know darn well I wasn’t correcting your English, because (1) I didn’t correct it, (2) many posters here have abominable English, and yet you are the only person whose bad English I have pointed out, and (3) I made it quite clear that my point was not your bad English but the parallel to birthers’ blunt questions regarding Obama’s birth certificate and other citizenship issues related to his eligibility to be President of the USA.
You said, ‘you need to use a bit more common sense before accepting as fact what the promoters of this nonsense feed you.’
Let’s examine your statement piece by piece:
1. ‘nonsense:’ Do you mean that the PHOTO to which I have referred is nonsense? Do you know for a fact that it is nonsense? Have you seen it for yourself? If not, how can you possibly pronounce any sort of verdict upon it?
2. ‘promoters:’ Do you mean to tell me you know for a fact that the photo I saw was created by anti-Obama crackpots?
3. ‘feed you:’ Do you know for a fact that this PHOTO was fed to me somehow by people who are not me?
4. ‘accepting as fact:’ Are you saying that I have accepted this PHOTO as a factual photo without submitting it to any kind of rigorous examination, research or analysis?
5. ‘you need to use a bit more common sense:’ Are you assuming, without any basis whatsoever, that I have not used my common sense in looking at this PHOTO? In short, are you calling me gullible, without knowing anything yourself about the PHOTO?
truesoy and denniso,
I’m going to give you the instructions for finding the photo I saw. It will take a lot of your time, because it’s not on the internet right now, but here’s what you must do.
You will find a specific photo of Obama and lay it on the left side (on your right as you are looking at it) of the face of a specific photo (taken in or after 1989) of the chief wife of the Sultan of Yogyakarta, Indonesia, creating a simple collage that has not been retouched or doctored up in any way. You may call it ‘Obama Sultana.’
The Sultana of Yogyakarta, Indonesia (1)
with inset of Barack Hussein Obama (2)
Proceed as follows:
1. Find the sultana’s photo in a library copy — on interlibrary loan if necessary — or a copy from eBay, etc. (as the book is no longer in print), of the following title (please get the 5th edition from 2001, so that you’ll be sure to find the photo on the page cited):
Insight Guide Indonesia (APA Publications, part of the Langenscheidt Publishing Group, Singapore, 5th Edition 2001; ISBN-10: 1-58573-372-5) [Indonesia title discontinued after 2001], p. 47. [Photo credit: Luca Invernizzi Tettoni]
Make a photocopy (this is for your personal use, so it is permitted).
2. Find a copy of the following news magazine (maybe in a library or from a member of the American Association of Retired Persons if you know one, because the AARP Bulletin archives at [http://www.aarp.org/bulletin/] don’t go back before 2009, for some reason):
AARP Bulletin, (October 2008 Vol 49 No 8), p. 18.
On page 18 you will see a photo of the left side of Obama’s face at the left edge of the page (John McCain’s half face is on the right hand page).
Make a photocopy, reducing it until the height of Obama’s face matches the height of the sultana’s face. Then carefully cut out Obama’s face.
Trifold a small piece of cellophane tape and stick it onto the back of Obama’s half face, then position the Obama half face on top of the sultana’s face.
Et voila! the PHOTO which I saw.
You can make a photocopy of this collage. You are no rightwing wacko doing this, I can assure you, and no one has fed you any propaganda … unless one or both of these photos has been altered before publication so that Obama and the sultana would resemble each other more than Obama resembles his alleged white mother or his alleged black Kenyan father.
Enjoy. Cheerio!
To all that commnented I don’t care if you are a Democrap or a Republicant. Lets look at the facts from a victorious Desert Storm HERO -we won our war! Why are there over a hundred thousand people at the Licoln Memeorial today because they all decided to visit Washington or is it because people are pissed! Obama has made enemies of the Brotherhood of Sheriff’s not just in Arizona but in every state of the country. Don’t believe me, go to a Sheriff’s convention in VEGAS they are a brotherhood, you attack one you attack them ALL! Obama with some comments about Veterans HealthCare, just made enemies of all VETERANS GROUPS, and the military and the V.A. police now hate him too! Nasa is now his enemy! Obama Birth certificate on line is a fake because both WIKIpedia and Snopes has changed their facts twice, I emailed snopes and asked why, it is because wikipedia changed their facts, wikipedia has not responded the cowards! One thing I do know Obama is Muslim, and Muslim’s don’t believe we went to the moon, the fact that Obama changed Nasa’s mission is proof. I have been to Saudi Arabia and they will argue till their blue in the face, we never stood on the moon, they claim ALLAH would not allow it!I will dare anybody as a VET to argue with me on this, YOU WILL LOSE! I’ve seen the books they are required to read as part of their military doctrine! look this up everybody I did G.Bush Jr.-Obama-Cheney-McCain are cousins. Hillary Clinton and
Barbara Bush are cousins! If you wonder why America is screwed up FOLLOW THE OIL – FOLLOW THE MONEY! BUSH JR. in his second presidency at his innauguration address made this comment if you all remember, “This is the beginning of the NEW WORLD ORDER!” Obama is continuing Bush policies because of BUSH MONEY-BUSH OIl!Call me a LIAR I can prove it, Bush Sr. has been in Washington since the 60′s and was on the WARREN COMMISSION of the JFK assassination,how did Bush become rich – OIL, and why we still depend on oil today, while other 3rd world countries no longer depend on oil for gas, and we are supposed to be the most technical country in the world, yet we can not turn grass into gas which burns 1000X cleaner! Lastly, Dr. KING was for unifying America, and the DEMOCRAPS murdered him! All Obama has done is tear the country apart, brother against brother, family against family, friends against friends, and the last time that happened
AMERICANS KILLED EACH OTHER, I”M SORRY NO MUSLIM is worth killing each other over his stupid PRESIDENCY. DON”T BELIEVE ME I DON’T CARE
FOLLOW THE OIL – FOLLOW THE MONEY and you will find the truth,same goes for BLOOMBERG FOLLOW HIS MONEY AND AGENDA, it is not about any stupid Mosque buthis expansion of his newspaper empire in the MIDDLE EAST. AGAIN FOLLOW THE MONEY – FOLLOW THE CORRUPTION!
One more point, and it is why I did not vote for either McCain or Obama, but I did vote! It didn’t matter who you voted for in 2008, America as a nation was the loser! The only thing different than McCain, Obama has a Muslim agenda. If the U.S. becomes the United Muslim States of Islam we will get a new CONSTITUTION based on Islamic principles and after being in Saudi, you can keep their world. In a SHARIA Islamic world women can not be in politics, own or run a business let alone have a job, divorce for a man is so easy, throw the women(men can have 4 wives) out of the house, women not allowed to go inside a restaurant, have to sit outside and wait for the husbands and boys to eat, women not allowed to drive and have to wear a Baroque from head to toe and some even have to wear a veil not to show their faces. NO MORE PRISONS, MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY and cutting off your hand or hands if you steal!
You think a Muslim world is better than ours, better be prepared to burn all your Bibles and all churches will be turned into MOSQUES and you better not claim Jesus as your LORD and Savior you wil be given the DEATH PENALTY!Keep saying Obama is your president and be prepared to live as a Muslim or face death. I will not accept Allah the god of the Sun and Moon! MY GOD SAYS NOT TO WORSHIP ANY FALSE GODS BUT HIS AND HIS PUNISHMENT IS DEATH – BUT A LVING DEATH, ETERNITY IN HELL DOES NOT SOUND LIKE A PICNIC TO ME!
You are deluded,uneducated and ignorant…your rant is pathetic.
We had a better chance of becoming auslim nation during the Bush years (both of them) this family gas very close ties to the bin Laden family which has great wealth to share, their ties so close W appeared holding hands with the Saudi.
And I say that the world would be a lot better without religion. And I mean any religion. Wouldn’t that be nice.
I think John Lennon coined that thought with “Imagine”
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii; only deluded people can believe otherwise. He inherited a disaster from the Republicans and is doing the best anyone can do to help the U.S.A. recover from a deep recession. Obama has never been a Muslim–that claim is ridiculous. It’s so sad that truth and honest seem to have disappeared in this culture.
Go back to sleep Mary, you’re having a bad dream. I heard him say he was a Muslim. I don’t tell lies on anyone. I believe in God and the 10 commandants and that is why I tell the truth. Does you friend, Obama believe in the 10 commandants. Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth depending on who he is talking with. I guess, you are one of those who want to spread the wealth also. You know, steal from one group and give to another. I could go on and on, but I won’t embarrass you anymore.
From which source did you hear Obama say he was or is a muslim.
Nice comment Mary…these people represent about 30% of the country who will never accept a Democrat as president…they spend their lives fighting to destroy Obama or render him ineffective. Don’t let their foul mouths run you off Mary.
It came out of Obama’s own mouth while he was being interviewed by George Stephanopoulos on ABC. This occurred the summer before the election. I could tell that it was a slip of the tongue. This is exactly what I heard from Obama, quote, “even though I am a Muslin” unquote, than it appeared that he realized what he was saying, an then he changed to another subject. I’ll never know why George didn’t pick up on this, but he just sat there and let Obama go on and talk. That is my personal knowledge why I know he is a Muslim. I am not saying all Muslims are bad, but I don’t think you will ever find a Christian as head of a Muslim Country. This is a fact, and the truth, So help me God..
This is a fact?. No is not. Besides what does religion has to do with the Office of the President of the U.S.? Last time I looked we had not established an official ‘religion’ in this country, nor there is a litmus test on religion in order to hold that office, nor there should be one, no matter how much some of you would like it to be. One could understand your dislike for Obama as president, and/or as person, if it was based on facts. But there are none. My suggestion to you would be to apply logic, and to use common sense before making /repeating the same nonsense that some in the right wing of the republican party is churning out.
Thank You
Obama is not a Muslim. Even if he were,so what? Aren’t we supposed to have freedom of religion in this country? Is that only true for Christians? No president can ever be a Muslim,Hindu,atheist,agnostic?
The tone and demeanor of the rightwing and tea party is leading to a religious war,Christian v Muslim…it need not be so if the ‘Christians’ listen to their Jesus.
Mary; Many of the people on this site think Hawaii is a muslim country and not an American state.There are places in the US that are a little behind in education and President Obama is doing his best to rectify the problem.
And there are those like yourself, who promote untruths about what was said on this site. Sure there are radical statements on both sides of the fence… Hawaii being a Muslim state – show me where it said that on this site…other than your post.
libertytrain;Hawaii being a Muslim country was never mentioned on this site nor did I post that it was.
Does anyone think providing food to others as being liberal, caring for our fellow man (person) no matter what color they are as being liberal and teaching love to all is liberal, then I will be liberal and stand on the side Jesus taught. Liberal is a good word, I support the movement shown by Jesus, he is the correct one.
Good comment…and if Jesus was anything, he was a liberal. Compassion,love, peace,turn the other cheek,give away your riches,help the poor. What’s amazing is that the pretend Christians don’t even see their hypocrisy and apparently think we are dumb enough
to not notice either.
Think About, if you are a decent person you will take care of your own family, or country before taking care of some one else. There are a lot of folks in this country that are going hungry. We borrow money from the Chinese to give away to other countries. Our government just approved 168,000,000.000 for the IMF fund. That is just a minute amount of money we have given away. Remember, our children, our grandchildren and our great grandchildren will have to cut thier standard of living to pay for all the crap. I believe it is Hillary Clinton that wants to continue giving more money. She has to be as bad as Obama for working for him. Remember, the government does not have any money. It gets the money from the taxpayers.
I am a decent person and I do take care of my family but there is always time and effort for others. We do not live in a world alone, my point was don’t put down on liberals, we just may be following an example Jesus put forth.
Helping people other than family is helping the country…we’re all in this together,something many Repubs don’t seem to get.
Wayne says that gov’t doesn’t have any money,they get it from the people…really, I never knew that…now that’s a revelation! Maybe Wayne doesn’t realize that some of us are actually educated and are adults. Maybe he doesn’t realize that all gov’t's around the world,for most of human existence, have taxed citizens for the money necessary to run gov’t and the services needed or demanded by ‘the people’….military,roads,education,airline subsidies,energy subsidies,railroads…
The tea party people don’t understand that taxes are essentially dues
paid to be part of the country and use the gov’t provided or subsidized services and to be protected from foreign enemies.
Denniso, you could talk until you’re blue in the face and they still won’t get it.
Denniso,
You said, ‘taxes are essentially dues paid to be part of the country and use the gov’t provided or subsidized services and to be protected from foreign enemies.’
I thought that was a very interesting analogy: taxes are membership dues. Upon further reflection, I wondered
(a) whether your membership in Club USA could be revoked if you didn’t pay your membership dues (i.e., taxes), and whether tax-delinquent American citizens could be demoted to the status of being illegal aliens (that is, non-citizens or non-members of the country, since their membership expired for not paying their dues/taxes) and whether they could therefore be kicked out of the country and deported to someplace else on the planet;
(b) whether a foreign national working in this country and paying U.S. taxes would thereby automatically become a citizen (because s/he had paid the membership dues);
(c) whether foreigners like the illegal Mexicans should be required to pay their membership dues, i.e. taxes (stop working off the books and sending before-tax U.S. dollars back home to their families and friends in Mexico) before they can receive any of our government- provided or -subsidized goods and services or get any help from U.S. hospital emergency rooms, food banks or charities; and
(d) whether our federal government, currently headed by Barack Obama, could be sued for false advertising and for breach of contract in a business deal, since it is collecting payment (dues/taxes) and yet refusing to protect us from Mexico, an invading foreign self-proclaimed enemy (anti-white hate group La Raza, anti-U.S. Nation of Aztlan whose stated goal is to ‘take over’ 1/3 of the U.S.), at our southern border.
Just wondering.
Denniso,
Also, if taxes (‘dues’) give us the right to get government-provided and/or government-subsidized services, why does the government play ‘Keep Away’ by limiting those services to people who make so little money that they’re exempt from paying their taxes (‘dues’)?
truesoy,
You said, ‘you could talk until you’re blue in the face …’
Talk is cheap.
That’s why I gave you and Denniso some directions for taking action for yourselves (do a Find for September 2, 2010 at 2:32 am). Have you done your homework yet? Have you found the ‘Obama Sultana’ PHOTO?
Oh, wait. You haven’t had time yet, and taking action takes a lot more time than talking.
Glo…I wonder, do you drive on county,state,U.S. highways? Do you feel secure from an actual foreign incasion?(not people walking here to work). Do you fly in and out of airports? Do you flush a toilet and expect your waste to be taken care of? DO you turn on your faucet
and get clean water out of it? Do You have the ability to call 911 for emergencies? If you have a heart attack will an ambulance pick you up? If your house catches fire can you depend on a fire dept to try to save it?
Probably you answered yes to all of those, and all are services provided to us for the taxes we pay…you can’t understsnd that?
Denniso,
Thank you for enlightening me about what my taxes have paid for. My EZ-Pass receipts, my airline ticket receipts, my water bill receipts (covering both my kitchen/bathroom faucets and all those toilet flushes), my huge bill directly from the ambulance provider (which bill was not covered by my health insurance), and my receipts for donations to the local fire department which uses volunteer firemen — I’m going to send all of these to the Government and demand that the Government refund me my money right this instant. How dare these providers charge me or ask me for donations for what my taxes have already paid for!
You describe daily American economic life like someone who (1) doesn’t live in this country, (2) lives here as an illegal alien and gets services ‘for free,’ which you mistakenly think are automatically paid for all citizens out of those citizens’ taxes, or (3) lives here as a child who doesn’t have a clue about what’s going on. Sorry to be so blunt about it, but you asked for it.
You not only threw a bunch of inaccurate verbiage at my post as a smokescreen, you actually ignored all the points I made about how and why TAXES ARE NOT DUES, and you also ignored all the questions my points raised.
Denniso and truesoy,
You insist on ignoring every comment I have made about the Obama Sultana PHOTO. Why?
Get off the internet for a while and do your photo research homework, chilluns! Time’s a-wastin’.
Glo…
Why on earth would I waste time looking at a photo of Obama that looks like someone else? Is that another lie aimed at distracting people from the issues?
If you can’t understand what I said about taxes being paid for basic services,then too bad. Water and sewer bills don’t cover anything close to the cost of building multimillion dollar facilities…that cost comes from taxes paid to local,state and fed gov’ts. Do you think your gasoline tax pays for the multi billion dollar road work
that is continual and ongoing, in order to keep commerce moving.
Hi, Denniso,
You said, ‘Why on earth would I waste time looking at a photo of Obama that looks like someone else? Is that another lie aimed at distracting people from the issues?’
You are asking one of the same questions that I have asked myself about why Obama’s photo looks like the chief wife of the Sultan of Yogyakarta, Indonesia (and it’s also true of the photo of him in high school in Hawaii).
What I want to know is if he does not in reality look like her, then WHO is telling the lie, and why? Her photo was taken in 1989 or not long after that (because her husband became sultan in 1989), and Obama was 28 years old in 1989. It would be a stretch to think that her photographer age-advanced Obama’s face (assuming he knew who Obama was) so as to make the sultana’s face similar to what he would look like about 15 years into the future.
Coming from the other direction, it doesn’t seem likely that the Republicans had anything to do with the Obama photo that was printed in the AARP Bulletin (there’s no photo credit that I can find, but AARP is very pro-Obama and tends to come across as pro-Democrat). If AARP’s art director fiddled with Obama’s photo, why would he try to make the man look like the wife of the Muslim ruler of Yogyakarta, Indonesia? Unless ‘imitation is the sincerest form of flattery,’ or imitation is an indication of political or religious alignment, and AARP was making this subtle statement — aimed at … who? The faithful Muslims? Or as a warning to the non-Muslims?
I do know, based on an AARP article (‘Wake Up and Sell the Coffee,’ AARP The Magazine, September/October 2007, p. 99) concerning Michael Gates Gill’s book, ‘How Starbucks Saved My Life’ (2007: Gotham Books/Penguin Group USA), that AARP’s art director knows how to hide symbolism within artwork and thus speak volumes (in that case there was a lot of symbolism regarding Muslims and Black Muslims).
If Obama’s own people were responsible for doctoring up his photo (if indeed it WAS digitally tampered with), was it to make a statement concerning his allegiance (in which case it is a major issue and quite worthy of notice)? Or was it simply to make crazy those people who might recognize the facial similarity between Obama and the sultana, distracting those viewers, as you suggest, from more substantive issues?
I saw early on that many of Obama’s photos seemed to be digitally changed to make him look like first this and then that race. Now he’s sorta white, now he’s sorta black, now he’s sorta Chinese … like a sneaky ploy to get people of every nationality to look at him and think, ‘Oh, he looks like one of US, let’s support him.’ That seems to me like photo fraud.
But I haven’t been able to find any evidence that the AARP photo of Obama has been altered, leaving the nagging question, ‘Why does Obama look like the chief wife of the Sultan of Yogyakarta, Indonesia?’ If there is a bloodline connection there, then his whole story about being born to a white American mother and a black Kenyan father is false. That opens the door to a huge issue that is exponentially greater than just ‘substantive.’
I really wish you could find those two photos. I don’t think looking at them would be a waste of your time. If I find any of the three photos online, I’ll post a link here for you.
Denniso,
By the way, you are correct about what our taxes cover. For example, taxes are levied on real estate (except exempt properties like hospitals, schools, churches, etc.) by various government agencies and municipalities including states, counties, cities, school districts, drainage districts, water districts, sanitary districts, parks, forest preserves, and recreation districts. As you said, property taxes pay for a lot of government services and programs.
By referring to water and sewer bills, which you didn’t mention before, I see that you do understand how taxes work, so I take back my unflattering comments.
But I stand by my statement that taxes are not dues, and don’t have the effects that dues have. You don’t have to pay taxes to ‘be part of the country,’ like to be a citizen.
But did you just mean paying taxes makes you a ‘participating member’ who contributes to the country’s ability to provide these services? And were you maybe also using the term ‘dues’ loosely, to make the point that taxes are used for these things, and then everybody gets to use them?
If so, I understand that you didn’t mean for anyone to take the word ‘dues’ so literally.
denisso doesnt like Sarah Palin because she doesnt like the truth. And did anyone see the picture of Michelle Obama walking off the steps of Air Force One? What a total lack of class, and a total lack of respect for the position of first lady and of President of the United States. We have really gone backwards here folks. It wasnt bad enough we allowed white trash with money, Bill and Hillery in the white house, now we have black trash in there. I guess it has something to do with being a democrat, what not having any class and all that business. I wonder if they will attempt to steal everything out of the White House like the Clinton’s did when they are kicked out in 2012. Hmmm. Makes me wonder.
Some of the best scam artists and frauds wear slick clothes…don’t you know that? Bush and Madoff,for instance. You should worry about substanttive issues and not clothing.
It is time for the charade to end. WE must force our Senators and Reps to unite and go to Obama, and say “Produce these missing documents, or resign”. They will not do it on their own, we will have to force them to do it. This man is not the President of the United States.
Actually he IS the president, YOU elected him.
Let’s face it. McCain was born in the Canal Zone, not in the USA. Why are so many people hyped about Obama’s birthplace, when the other candidate for Prresident clearly is not a natural-born America.?
Don,
You can’t bring up McCain NOW, post facto, as though everybody knew that about him all along.
Besides, McCain isn’t the one who ascended to the presidency. Obama is. Therefore, Americans should be (and are) calling the nation’s leaders on the carpet to explain themselves and make this right instead of just sweeping it under the rug the way they do everything else.
You’ve just gotta ask, ‘Who is it that has us by the balls? Why is everyone so afraid to step on the toes of Obama and the BIG STICK(s) behind him?’
If McCain had ‘won’ the election, you can be sure the shoe would now be on the other foot, with Democrats and Constitutionalists of all stripes contesting his eligibility. Then somebody would be bringing up Obama’s questionable eligibility in retaliation.
The big difference between the two men would be the ‘known loyalty to the USA’ of McCain and his family vs. the ‘unknown loyalty to the USA’ of Obama. However, neither one of those qualities can trump the Constitution.
Isn’t it somehow odd that BOTH of the top-runners in the November 2008 U.S.A. presidential election had ‘questionable claims’ to Constitutional eligibility for the presidency with regard to where they were born?
I think we had the wool pulled over our eyes on this point by both Republicans and Democrats, who obviously set up a lose-lose scenario for the voters in order to chip away at the relevancy of the Constitution of the United States of America. (Score another one for the New World Order, according to those who see NWO puppeteers behind this scene.)
I can only speak for myself, but I had no idea that McCain’s citizenship was ‘ratified’ almost a year after he was born … until I read this webpage. While I was busy comparing party platforms in 2007-2008, I didn’t even know that the eligibility of any of the candidates might come into question because of the ‘natural born citizen’ requirement in the Constitution.
Like everybody else, I automatically assumed that someone was checking those crucial details. Nobody dreamed that the phantom trainman was asleep at the switch.
‘You were supposed to check that out.’
‘No, it was you.’
‘What do you mean?’
‘But I thought it was your job.’
‘I thought it was yours.’
‘Then whose job was it?’
‘Hey, anybody! Does the Constitution say who’s supposed to check the eligibility of presidential candidates? … Then who the #&@* has been checking for the last 230-odd years?’
‘… Say, do you think our Venerable Forefathers goofed? Or did they simply foresee (with a little planning aforethought), in all their Masonic wisdom, the coming of this day as a stepping-stone to the greater goal of the (pick one: British / Masonic / Knights Templar / Capitalist / Roman / Catholic / Communist / Socialist / Nazi / Jewish / Democratic / Islamic / Amish) World Empire?
‘(… Dang! We need another amendment to the Constitution? Let’s just re-do #14.)’
Obama/McCain ineligibility = ‘a nonjusticiable political question’ (translation: you can’t sue them in Federal Court).
Here’s a brilliant legal essay in the Michigan Law Review by Daniel P. Tokaji that makes it quite clear why all those people trying to sue Obama are thrown out of Federal Court for having ‘NO STANDING,’ and why STATE COURTS are the way to go, at least until a plaintiff is thrown out of state court (which then injures him/her in fact, giving him/her ‘standing’ to go sue in federal court).
The Court has said that an asserted ‘right to have the government act in accordance with the law is not sufficient.’ (!!)
The 3 requirements for legal standing are 1) show an injury in fact (concrete, particularized, real and immediate — not conjectural or hypothetical; plaintiff must have a personal stake in the controversy that goes beyond that possessed by other members of the public … meaning that wronging the entire U.S. population is ‘too general’); 2) show causation (that the injury is fairly traceable to the defendant’s allegedly unlawful conduct); and 3) establish redressability (show that a favorable court decision is likely to remedy the injury).
This essay is extremely long, but worth skimming. I’m quoting a lot here, but there’s a whole lot more I didn’t quote.
‘Michigan Law Review – First Impressions – The Justiciability of Eligibility: May Courts Decide Who Can Be President?’ by Daniel P. Tokaji
[http://www.michiganlawreview.org/articles/the-justiciability-of-eligibility-may-courts-decide-who-can-be-president]
III. Alternative Means of Adjudicating Presidential Eligibility
(paragraph 2:)
Although the possibility for state-court litigation of a presidential candidate’s eligibility may seem counterintuitive, there is a good reason for believing that this sort of dispute belongs in state court. Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution provides: “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress.” In litigation surrounding the 2000 election, Bush’s legal team argued that the Florida Supreme Court violated this provision by failing to follow the Florida legislature’s instructions on post-election proceedings. Chief Justice Rehnquist’s concurring opinion in Bush v. Gore accepted this argument, concluding that the state supreme court’s construction of certain provisions of state election law went beyond the bounds of proper statutory interpretation. Yet none of the Justices disputed that state courts may hear cases alleging violations of state election statutes or that state courts generally possess the power to interpret and enforce those laws.
(paragraph 3:)
… Although the Pennsylvania Supreme Court found that its statute did not in fact justify the exclusion of Nader and Camejo from the ballot, there was no doubt as to the state court’s ability to entertain a challenge to a presidential candidate’s qualifications in the course of determining whether to deny that candidate access to the state ballot.
(paragraph 4:)
It is conceivable that a comparable state-court lawsuit could be filed, in Pennsylvania or another swing state, to challenge a presidential candidate’s constitutional qualifications to serve. ***There is no requirement that a plaintiff in a state-court lawsuit meet the Article III or prudential requirements for standing.*** [*** Emphasis added.] … It is also conceivable that a state-court case challenging a presidential candidate’s eligibility could be brought after an election. …
(paragraph 5:)
There are obvious reasons why such post-election challenges would be undesirable. As Rick Hasen has argued in Beyond the Margin of Litigation, pre-election litigation is generally preferable to post election litigation. It is generally better to resolve disputes before an election, allowing problems to be avoided in advance rather than putting courts in the difficult position of cleaning up the mess afterwards.
(parapgrah 14 [Final in this section]:)
The uncertainty over Congress’s power vis-à-vis the federal courts in this sphere magnifies the importance of state courts being open to those challenging a presidential candidate’s qualifications. There is little doubt that state legislatures have the power to define a process to adjudicate a presidential candidate’s qualifications, either through a denial of ballot access or through some type of post election proceeding.
Conclusion
The current federal lawsuits challenging the presidential candidates’ eligibility to serve as president are not justiciable, and it is questionable whether any justiciable case could be brought in federal court as an initial matter. Fortunately, there are alternative means to adjudicate this matter that are consistent with the U.S. Constitution. The most promising is a pre-election state-court lawsuit seeking to keep an allegedly unqualified candidate off the ballot. In the event that a renegade state court rejects a candidate who is, in fact, eligible or that two or more state courts reach conflicting conclusions on a candidate’s eligibility, U.S. Supreme Court review should be available as a backstop. This avenue seems less fraught with peril than congressional resolution of the matter, given Congress’ dubious legal authority to not count electoral votes of a candidate it believes ineligible. Those who seek to challenge a presidential candidate’s eligibility would thus be well-advised to dust off their state election codes and head to state court.
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So we’re back at Palin12′s post at ‘August 23, 2010 at 9:22 pm’ (you need Tokaji’s Michigan Law Review article in order to understand that ARIZONA FINALLY HAS IT RIGHT, in terms of how to question presidential eligibility through the channels provided to us as citizens). Palin12 said:
… here is a link to the Arizona bill to have Obama prove US citizenship before being placed on the ballot in 2012:
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/arizona-to-obama-show-us-your-birth-certificate.php
In Daniel P. Tokaji’s legal essay in the Michigan Law Review (which I quoted at length in the post immediately preceding this one — September 10, 2010 at 5:00 am), saying that state courts are the place to begin contesting presidential eligibility, he improperly inserts his personal view concerning a post-election challenge: he says it is obviously not a good idea to bring a post-election lawsuit against a president, because that requires the court to clean up the mess afterwards. (Of course, that’s exactly what George Bush did in 2000 in Florida state court to beat Al Gore: after Gore got the most votes, Bush snatched a post-election victory from the jaws of defeat by claiming in a lawsuit that there had been an error in post-election procedures).
The mistake in Tokaji’s reasoning (that you wouldn’t want to ask the courts to clean up a presidential eligibility issue after the election) is evident when you consider that the entire purpose of our legal system is to clean up messes after they happen (i.e., crime), and is not (solely) to prevent them.
He clearly explains the impossibility of starting out in federal court (due to the Constitutional requirements for ‘standing’ — the grounds on which to bring the lawsuit).
On the other hand, with regard to state courts being the place to begin, Tokaji also surely understands the inherent difficulty in relying on at least one person in every one of the 50 states to:
(1) research the presidential eligibility of all the candidates in advance,
(2) find indisputable proof of the ineligibility of any of them, and
(3) bring a pre-election lawsuit against any ineligible person(s).
This reliance is especially difficult in view of the fact that the general public does not usually become fully aware of who’s running for president until the last minute.
It is my opinion that each state court needs to:
(1) require proof positive of presidential eligibility at least 2 years before Election Day and one year before being officially placed on the state ballot — ballots being fixed a year before Election Day (though placement on the state ballots, as always, would be cancelable by the candidate for any or no reason — such as not being able to raise enough campaign money),
(2) establish a multi-partisan panel to verify all the documentation by a given deadline before the state ballot is fixed, and
(3) provide a means for challenging the presidential eligibility panel’s decision pre- or post-election with no time limit (and with no requirements for ‘standing’ to sue — except for being able to present information or arguments which could conceivably overturn the panel’s decision), since the citizens are sovereigns and the government and its president are the servants of the citizens.
The following quote from another poster at a different thread on this Personal Liberty site seems to me to have some relevance to the topic of Obama’s presidential eligibility and his questionable policies (whose legitimacy is intimately tied to the legitimacy of his presidency) with regard to the current unofficial Mexican war on the U.S.
In view of the quoted 2005 Council on Foreign Relations memo, it would appear that Obama is merely helping to implement the 2010 goals set forth by the Council on Foreign Relations with regard to (1) abolishing the national distinctions between Canada, the U.S.A., and Mexico, (2) creating an uber-boundary around all of North America encompassing the three formerly independent countries, which boundary would establish a new definition for what could be considered an external invasion (and would also thereby constitute a new continent-wide border for the ‘North American military’ to protect), (3)imposing a new common currency on this new ‘North American Community’ (not the dollar or peso), and (4) accepting taxation from a governing authority outside of all three former countries (‘a common external tariff’).
It’s all about abolishing the U.S.A.’s northern and southern borders before the end of this year, 2010, if the CFR plan stays on schedule.
If the Tea Party is about protesting taxes, maybe the tax they’re really going to be protesting is the tax on us from outside the U.S.A. Would that be from the U.N.? Or would it be from a conquering country or alliance?
In this case, it would do no good to save Canadian or U.S. dollars (or even Mexican pesos). That’s why stocking food and water may be a good idea, after all, while you can still find them.
But why on earth is the scenario being played out so that everyone will be fighting each other, instead of the leaders trying to lull us into joyfully accepting a merger into one big happy family? There’s always a reason for bloodshed, even if it’s only to satiate bloodlust.
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Quoting from the forum (alvert w loescher September 20, 2010 at 2:47 pm) [CFR = Council on Foreign Relations, in U.S. government]:
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In Daniel Estulin’s Bilderberg Group [NB: name of book], he wrote about a 2005 CFR memo stating: “Building a North American Community . . . volunteered to advise the SSP the (their) Task Force is pleased on how the partnership can be pursed and realized . . . The Task Force’s central recommendation is the establishment by 2010 of a North American economic and security community, the boundaries of which would be defined by a common external tariff and outer security perimeter’”.
For emphasis, Estulin added, “The CFR is here proposing that by 2010, the the borders of the US, Canada, and Mexico should be dissolved” (pg. 224).
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Everything about this bonehead is a secret or a mystery.His innaugerration also was a sham.He flubbed the oath and did it later on in private,WTF?He is a divider who is clearly a puppet for others either homegrown or foreign or both.Whats scary is that I listen to people who are either for him or against him and how ugly and hateful the exchanges get..even if the two people were or are friends.It reminds me of Rwanda..or Bosnia where neighbors eventually started killing each other over such things.This snake is a poison to the soul of our nation..I hope and pray that somewhere in our govt. or military there are still clear heads that can see whats happening..and do something…are there any true American patriots in the FBI,CIA,military and govt. or are they all bought into the regime.Scary times indeed,the water is boiling ..it can’t be ignored anymore..something big and ugly is coming.
For those who choose to blindly accept Obama as a legitimate president, the fact that Obama has spent two million dollars in legal fees to fight the judicial order to open all of his records of which every American has a right to see and vet, the fact that he has thrown our constitution under the bus too many times to count, the fact that if he is the imposter/usurper we think he is, all makes for one bigger fact and that is impeachment can only be exercized on a real president and every law, every executive order and every person he has put into any kind of position from the Supreme Court down is illegimate and is cancelled. His legal removal can only be arrest in handcuffs and tried in a court of law. Consitutional crisis coming? Sorry folks, it is already here. You folks who are so blinded by the first black president and his idealogy are hypocrites who never seek the truth and that is all we want. THE TRUTH ! This is not going away.
I am very much upset about Obama from the first moment I heard about some new senator from Illinois is runing for a president…
As far as DUAL citizenship is concern…
I was born, raised and educated in Poland.
Almost 30 years I live in USA.
That being said Poland is not accepting dual citizenship…
so…regardless of my American citizenship Poland is not recognizing it…
unless I would apply for a release and pay bunch of money to polish government (this kind of procedures was/is handled by Internal Affairs Department). I refused to feed them my money so by their law I am a polish citizen. Period.
in case if my child would be born in States and I would like for this child to have a polish citizenship I would have to refuse american first for the child.
and of course every country not allowing dual citizenship would have their own law and what have you…
I find EVERYTHING about Obama MIND BUGGLING!!!…
in most States one can not get a driver licence without 2 pieces of picture ID…makes me wonder what kind of ID’s he used in Connecticut or Illinois? (or any other State for that matter)…or the trail was already cleared with some bigger plans for him??!!!
Have a nice weekend everyone…
I think I am going to be sick!!!
Dear Joanna, keep this in mind. Number one and foremost you are a human being, not chattel that any country may forever keep your allegiance against your will.
In fact when/if you swore allegiance to the United States of America upon citizenship application, your new fidelity was recognized by our great nation. Here is how this works, if in your mind you still ponder your loyalties, you should never have sworn to uphold the laws of this land and with your life a vow to protect and defend this country. The swearing-in as a citizen required of you those things I just mentioned; as you struck this bargain to place your full loyalties behind us our government absolved any and all past loyalties to any other sovereign nation, regardless of how those countries/that country may view it. Under international law you are viewed as a citizen of this country….PERIOD. Any children you have (as defined by our laws) would then be citizens of the U.S.A., NOT Poland. Be proud that you have the world’s greatest country 100% behind you and have a great life…. remembering that with citizenship there is a requirement of patriotism which entails certain responsibilities… register to vote and keep yourself educated on the Constitution; learn who to vote for to support your world view and who not to vote for because of theirs; be watchful for your liberties and do not trust in our mainstream media for the real deal (the actual news that teaches and instructs is totally devoid therein – it is a part of the propaganda machine that supports the liberal mob… a small minority of our people who insist on a social agenda) but keep in tune with sites such as this that provide a forum and a voice for truth and justice.
Why don’t the people of this country simply shut things down till we in vestigate his I.D. completely, and if findings show he had partners in this great crime then bring them all in to face justice and then trial them for TREASON for indangering our people and country.
When we get the truth about Obama not being an American, and we will, there are alot of people in Congress who avowed they had seen his info and attested to his being leitimate, who are going to get thrown out of office. And because the American People are demanding an investigation into this and impeach him, and our elected officials are not doing anything about it, they will be heading in the same direction of ” out the door.” So, Republicans, you have the majority of the House, think twice about avoiding this issue.
I’d like to ask, why the powers that be have not reviewed the passport records of Stanley Ann Dunahm to determine dates that she exited the United States this would clarify all the questions. We’d then know what date she departed the US and if it is in timerame Obama supposedly was born then that tells it all!!! This is so obvious! Everytime we exit the US to foreign countries I believe even in her era a passport was required.
Aren’t liberals great? They pass judgement on just about everything but turn a blind eye when their leaders mess up. Here they give Obama a pass when it comes to scrutinizing his background.
I noticed this “bending the rules” culture came about under Clinton. Let’s get everyone into houses whether they are qualified or not… Let’s turn a blind eye to good ‘ol Bill when he cheats on his wife with Monica and lies about it.
All I have to say about this is sign this petition.
http://www.petition2congress.com/2349/petition-to-remove-barack-obama-as-president-united-states-americ/
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Maybe we need to take a good look at the Declaration of Independence?
Very good report, Mark, and I agree in total with your quote from that document… it lays it right on the line as to what guiding precepts our Founders used as legal justification for declaring our independence to begin with. Why should we even consider a departure from their line of thinking in any age? Written down, like the living Constitution itself, and the Bill of Rights, we have the works of their collective minds to do battle with any and all who desire a society other that what has been commonly called The United States of America and to serve those who solicit and practice anarchy their walking papers: GO FIND A COUNTRY THAT SUITS YOU…say, Russia, China, North Korea… AND LEAVE AMERICA JUST AS YOU’VE FOUND IT. Remove the welcome mat, kick out the traitors, restore Constitutional law = a formula to preserve these United States of America.
My opinion is that people have to be careful for how they use their childrens names or births. If all this is true the mother was falsifying imformation to keep her child with her. This was the only way he could go to Indonesia. This is like people using their childrens name to get cable or a phone. When the child grows up and is credit is bad then all hell break loose. It was not his fault that this occurred. He was too young to even know what was going on nor did he know that he would one day be President of the US. She is deceased. Plus as soon as his grandmother died all these questions started to surface the very next day. Why did not someone ask her she lived in Hawaii. People please get a life. If his citizenship is based on both parents being US citizens. Someone is opening up a can of worms, that no one is really wanting to deal with. Or is they considered citizens until they decide to run for President of the US. Like I said before Obama has not caused me any grief and I am not going to cause him any sleepless nights. May God keep and bless this man and his entire family all the days of their lives. Amen!
Dear “Misguided”: Your name is befitting of you entirely. You’ve read some powerful evidences and you’ve chosen (like the liberal lefties, gays, Muslim Brotherhood, Constitution and rule of law haters) to put your head beneath the sands of time and let this usurper continue on with your blessing. When you begin to feel the assault from behind those parts exposed above (remember your mind inside your head is buried and therefore just as prone to violation as what is above) you will become the slave to whatever forces exist in reality…. the forward march of tyrannical intent never overlooks those who are pacifist, apathetic, or ignorant – in fact those are first targets. Remember these words, inattention to fact and a mind forgetful of history never is an ally of those who just want to get by while others strive to correct social injustices, and the hardest lesson of people who care nothing about becoming involved – becoming well-informed and pro-active – generally are the weak-minded ones preyed upon by the promulgators of the propaganda machine that wrecks society and transforms it into a state ruled by an elitist cadre who treat its vassals like sheeple, trample on their rights (if they grant any to begin with) and lend no ear to the voices when the people cry out for bread – “eat cake and be satisfied” (even though there isn’t any bread to be had.
I can understand trying not to tarnish americas first african american prez HOWEVER if he is hellbent & determined to the downfall of america as well as installing a communist regime then the american public needs to know this & he needs to be dealt with swiftlt & severly no if ands or buts in my opinion he has exibited this over & over & needs to be at the very least investigated by an indenpedent council
Obama is everything this country detests. The fools who voted him in reap his spoils. The biggest enemy to our freedom are the mindsets of those who voted the obamafool in and now follow GEORGE SOROS COMMUNIST IDIOT.
In my opinion,this imposter of a President has a lot of people fooled,and they are so ignorant,they cannot,will not see whats happening to this country.
He and his thugs have reaped them all in.Kind of like ,how to catch a pig.
You know, a little free corn,they accept it ,then a little more,they accept it,they get used to the free bies,then one day the gate is shut.Then theyare trapped.But they don’t care ,they still get free corn.
That is what has happened to America.
And, these free loaders are happy,they do not have to pay for anything,that comes from you and I,the taxpayer!!!
It’s really sad,pathetic.
Now, I hope all you who voted this imposter in office feel ashamed,you are a disgusting group of ignorance.
I hope this sets you off,if the shoe fits you WEAR it
Being a traitor is a popular trend these days. Let’s hope enough Americans still have a brain next election time. It’s flush time.
IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH