Joe what do you mean by push it in the straights faces. They arent trying to win a competition and brag about it.

Jeremy–Those gay parades turned me off. Now that is what I call goofy and it defies my sense of logic and rationality. This is exhibitionism and I find it disgusting. I also believe homosexuality is a “choice.” Therefore, if someone wants to be a homosexual, keep it to themselves. I am hardnosed–I do not consider homosexuality to be normal behavior. And I do not want to be harassed by people that have decided they like this kind of behavior. Whatever happens with the court’s decision on same sex marriage is not of my doing. If it passes, it passes. If it doesn’t pass, then so be it. I am rather tired of this issue. I want the powers that be to straighten (pardon the pun) out the mess this country is in. To me, the economy and jobs is what is important at this time.

It’s called having fun, and nobody’s being forced to watch.

Having fun? Oh yes, there are lots of people out there having fun. The difference is that logical people aren’t having demented fun. Don’t worry, I know I don’t have to “watch” and I certainly won’t. This is an issue that normal people are getting tired of. America has more important issues to deal with other than the homosexual lifestyle. Go peddle your “fun” to someone else. I am not interested.

Gee whiz Karolyn, they televise the gay parade in SF every year and I can tell you there is nothing normal about parading around in “chaps” with nothing else on or dressing like a big penis…men liplocking in public with men and women on women. Sorry, keep it private and I don’t care, I can even handle them holding hands…but please, keep the smutty stuff behind closed doors.

JeffH– I know–I have seen those parades a couple of times and believe me when I say I will never watch another one. Talk about insanity.

Jeremy L.
how about you just answer the question, lady!!!

Very well Joe: Saying a homosexual couple can have a civil union not a marriage is discrmintation. Homosexuals do not want special treatment, they want to be recognized as having the same rights and status as heterosexuals. They cannot have that so long as the best they can get is “A Civil Union”.

Jeremy l
what rights is it that you need is it that you want to be like every one else or is it that you just want every one to think that your nomal.
look girl friend thats not going to happen in this life time.I really dont care what you and your boy friend do behind closed doors just stop doing it in the streets and in the faces of all who think it a perversion.And dont complain when some one shoves their feelings in your face!

Uh Dan az: First I am a heterosexual male. You dont have to be homosexual to believe in equality for everyone including homosexuals. Second of all homosexuals are not going out in the streets having sex. They do that in a private room away from public eye. Also marriage is about love not sex. Clearly you have an issue with the homosexual lifestlye in regards to sex. But marriage is based on love and commitment not sex, how do I know this, because its sacred. Sacred rituals aren’t based on things like sex there based on things we all hold dear and that includes love. As far as I can tell if homosexuals can have the same amount of love for each other as heterosexuals then marriage shouldnt be a problem. As long as they keep their sex life in a private space, as they aready do, I see no problem with them getting married.

jeremy,
actually lady, they do. There is a park along lake Erie near Cleveland Ohio where the cops bust gays “servicing” each other all the time! A few times it has happened in broad daylight in front of little kids!!! Those ones need to be taken out about five miles on Erie and told to sink or swim!!!

Very Well Joe I call your bluff:

Adulterers can be found all across this nation, as well as men who have divorced their wives only to get new ones. Your right that there are homosexuals who commit disgusting sexual taboos like having sex in public, I agree that is wrong and should be stopped, however heterosexuals are not innocent of sexual innuendo. As such you cant single out homosexuality as the source of innuendo among homosexuals, unless you also believe heterosexuality is the cause of innuendo among heterosexuals. If not then that means you must judge people on an individual basis and not let sexual orientation be a factor, otherwise your being prejudice.
Also, once again I am not homosexual, although I love the fact that you suggest a person has to be homosexual in order to believe homosexuals have free and equal rights under the law.

Have youver talked to a gay person? I have known many, and they have all seemed very comfortable with who they are. They have problems like anybody else but not because of their identity. I’ve known some pretty happy gay couples.

It’s a shame all liberals aren’t queer. All our problems would be solved in a couple of generations.

Lawrence, You are way off base. In order for anybody to understand, you need to dialog with people that are “different” than you. Have you ever known any gay people? One of my best friends is a lesbian, and she is one of the best people I ever knew. She knew she was gay from childhood and was never in the closet. She is an extremely intelligent, well-adjusted woman in a long-time committed relationship with two kids – one from each of them. I only regret that I moved far away and do not see her anymore.

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I know who this is and the police will be coming after you soon. Get ready to see your boyfriends in jail!

BBBB, you’re a complete childish moron…

Oooh oooh.. I know ….Straignt men don’t really care what gay men do. It’s just gay men that are in denial of their feelings that get so violent towards other gays.

Am I close?

Who are you to say that abnormal and normal people are the same? Go home and read your Bible. Oooops! I forgot, now you are an atheist! Are you starting to feel the heat yet?

Now Sam, you know I never said I was an atheist – not that there’s anything wrong with being one as long as it’s not pushed on me.

Karolyn
the same goes for there perversions.Dont force it on my kids or grand kids they will have enough to deal with in their life time.Put it back in your pants and look to God for your answers.This world is crazy enough with sharia law being forced on us the old race card, the destruction of our constitution and bill of rights,How can any one think about perversions at a time like this. Put in back in the closet and dont flaunt it in my face I really dont play well with others get my meaning?

What version of the Bible do you read? And what year was it first published?

That don’t matter. If you are talking about physically, that I may agree with you. We both have 2 eyes, ears, a nose, etc., but we are not the same where it counts in our hearts and minds. Is this a brief enough explination for you?

I’ve been reading the same one everybody else does. The difference is I don’t take it word for word in the exact translation that is generally accepted.

No Darlin; they’re people like you.

They have all the same physical parts and emotions as we all do. THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS!!!

Karolyn: so do chimpanzes. are they kin to you to?

What’s wrong with chimps?

karolyn,
they are nothing like me!!!! They are nothing like the majority of the population!!!

I dont wear pink dresses either

Neither do most gays!

Like a true liberal, you would rather force a majority of naysayers to conform to your way of thinking. I fully agree with JK. Let the minority, the losers in Prop 8, move to a state that recognizes gay marriage rather than “force” a state and its citizens who clearly stated, through a majority vote, that they do not want gay marriages to be legalized in California.

Here is a list of 9 choices for you:
•Connecticut
•District of Columbia
•New Hampshire
•New Jersey
•New York
•Maine
•Massachusetts
•Vermont
•Iowa

JeffH I agree with you wholeheartedly. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Whew! For once Ohio isn’t on a “bad” list!!!!

or arizona thank God!

Indiana isn’t either!

Ditto for Illinois.

Californians don’t want it either.

Sorry NJ doesn’t have gay marriage but civil unions. That’s bad enough. That’s how a politician appeases both sides of the argument.

Red,

It depends on one’s financial situation, if your gay and can afford to move then move, if you can’t then you stay put. Californians made a moral choice on prop 8, they decided marriage is between a man and a woman plain and simple, the majority ruled.

then thats what we do let them marry there donkey

dan az
Except in this case donkey is spelled with three letters!!!

Very funny! I needed a good laugh!

Hi Joe H.

>>>Actually it would be LIBERAL population control!!!<<>>Mary Cheney, the vice president’s lesbian daughter, had her first child this morning at Sibley Hospital in Washington, D.C.

Vice President Dick Cheney and his wife, Lynne Cheney, welcomed their sixth grandchild, Samuel David…
Vice President Dick Cheney and his wife, Lynne Cheney, welcomed their sixth grandchild, Samuel David Cheney, Wednesday, May 23, 2007. He weighed 8 lbs., 6 oz and was born at 9:46 a.m. at Sibley Hospital in Washington, D.C. His parents are the Cheneys’ daughter Mary, and her partner, Heather Poe.
(David Bohrer/White House Photo)Samuel David Cheney was born at 9:46 a.m., weighing 8 lbs., 6 oz.

His parents are Mary and her partner, Heather Poe.

Sixth Grandchild for Cheney
“The vice president is pleased to be a grandfather for the sixth time,” spokeswoman Megan McGinn said.

The vice president’s office announced in December that Mary was expecting her first child and a spokeswoman said at the time that he and his wife were “looking forward with eager anticipation to the arrival of their sixth grandchild.”

Cheney bristled when the subject came up in a notably testy exchange in January with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.<<<

Does anyone really wanna kill Dick's daughter?

Rob

Dick Cheyney was 100% against gays until his daughter came out. Now he accepts it. That’s the way it is with most Americans. They only accept it when it’s one of theirs.

RS
At least she has a birth certificate.

ValDM,
Actually it was the money not yet paid out to Social Security!!! Money spoken for but not yet spent!!! If his budget had stood as written, we would have spent billions of dollars in two places at once!! It doesn’t work that way!!1

From VaIDM: >>>Out of all your long laundry list of things conservatives opposed and liberals “acheived” most involve removing God from our lives.<<<

Education removes the christian god? Equality ALL Americans removes god?

It appears to me your god is extremely weak not to be able to stand up to such things.

Rob

Nope Nobama’s!!!!

I’m sorry Zack and Karolyn,

Being gay is a lifestyle choice individules make for them selves, whether it’s early in life or later in life, it’s still a choice they made for themselves. They may feel comfort with the same sex or have been driven to the same sex due to a violent act, people are still making a choice who they want to be with. Let the gay/lesbian community have their cival unions and leave marrige to strait individualsI’m strait so my choice is to be with the opposit sex. Looking at human and animal relationships males cohabitate together, they are friends, they gather food and so do females, but when it’s that time of the year animals mate with the opposit sex to bring forward the next generation we humans do the same but at different times. When can two males or two females bring forward an offspring with no outside assistance? They can’t, if the entire world turned gay over night the entire human race would cease to exist in a matter of 90 year’s maybe longer.

Some cities closed their gay bathhouses because some men were doing 20 or more men a night.

Well, I’m sorry right back at you. It most certainly is not a “lifestyle” choice. If you’re gay, you’re gay, and you can’t just say “Well, I don’t want to be gay anymore.” It’s been tried, and it doesn’t work. Most of the gays I knew tried being straight, but it just didn’t work. It would only be a fake life that would hurt more people (and has hurt a great many people). You cannot deny who or what you are. Living a lie is not living. And here is a definition of lifestyle:

lifestyle Definition Way of living of individuals, families (households), and societies, which they manifest in coping with their physical, psychological, social, and economic environments on a day-to-day basis. Lifestyle is expressed in both work and leisure behavior patterns and (on an individual basis) in activities, attitudes, interests, opinions, values, and allocation of income. It also reflects people’s self image or self concept; the way they see themselves and believe they are seen by the others. Lifestyle is a composite of motivations, needs, and wants and is influenced by factors such as culture, family, reference groups, and social class.

Karolyn,
THEN SHOW ME THE GAY GENE!!!! I didn’t say jean either!!

karolyn,
what’s the matter? did I run you off with that one???

Joe, I’m not a genetecist. I don’t pretend to know everything like you do. I know that the scientific research that has been done and is constantly being done shows that homosexuality is something one is born with. Won’t your face be red when they find that gene!

Karolyn
If you are not gay then how can you say that they are born with it?
what excites one and not an other dose’nt mean that they are born diffrently its all in the mind.there is noway that you can speak for others that are weak and just cant help them selves.If you had a funny feeling about some one of the same sex it dosent mean that your gay just horny!

karolyn,
show me unbiased scientific research that PROVES that it’s not a lifestyle!!!! I don’t mean a psychiatrist’s study either!!! Scientific research!!!

From Brad: >>> When can two males or two females bring forward an offspring with no outside assistance?<<<

Ahhhh, so you don't want post-menopausal women to be able to marry.

Will you make an exception for vets who come home with wounds that eliminate sexual function. Will you take them from their wives if they can't reproduct?

In my humble opinion "It's for the baaaaaaaabeeeees" seems like such a lame argument.

Rob

Sorry dude, wrong again. A woman was created to be a man’s wife, to bear children, to populate the earth and to subdue it. Read the book of Genesis before you post.

you’re right; it’s a fashion statement.

pink and rainbows

As long as they are of the opposite sex, I agree!

So what? The army has a more than 50% divorce rate and has nothing to do with religion, race, or gender, so what is the point with these false facts you have posted?

Saying what you believe is giving your opinion and is NOT forcing your beliefs on anyone. If you believed the moon was made of green cheese, does that mean you trying to force someone else to believe it? Get a grip before you totally loose control of your mind. OOOOOOPS! I forgot, a lib has no mind to lose!

It is an unnatural act and shouldn’t be taught in schools in the first place.

No but the feds can’ rule the churches.

That is sick! How can you get pleasure from thinking about people dieing just because they have different views than you?

I’m not agreeing with slick, but we both know that the muslims think the same way.

Not all of them!

Karolyn
if they werent then they are not muslims read the quran!

Sorry, but being gay has to do with satan filling their hearts with unnatural thoughts. DNA and psych evals don’t hold up.

Red
That is why they call it the practice of psychiatry and not the science of!!!! Same with medicine! Any psychiatrist worth his weight in air will tell you there is nothing exact about their practice!!!

You would have a hard time proving that by my Psychiatry instructor. Psychiatry IS A SCIENCE! The conclusions that the psychiatric community come to are found to be true through the Scientific Method of research. This is recognized throughout the world.

PS – It is regarded as a “soft” science vs. “hard” science klike chemistry. Sociology is in the same boat. A great deal of research is undertaken before anything is found to be conclusive in these sciences.

Hi Karolyn,

You posted: >>>The conclusions that the psychiatric community come to are found to be true through the Scientific Method of research. This is recognized throughout the world.<<<

So is evolution but hard science hasn't convinced the creationists either. And those who are anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-whatever, tend to also go for the crationism garbage. Jut seems to generally be part of the package.

Rob

Darwin even said that his findings were lies before he died. Sounds like he saw the light at the end.

When a young boy has feminine tendencies his parents take him to a psychiatrist and he tells the boy, you’re gay. Go get some bootie.

I have edited enough sociology, psychiatry, and psychology manuscripts to last a lifetime. Some were well-written and some appeared to be “off the wall.” I have arrived at the conclusion that I would think twice about dealing with some of these mental health professionals. I would certainly do my research on their background history if I ever had need for counseling, etc.

Claire
I’ll bet you that at least 99% are liberals!

Oh, OK. that makes it normal. I guess I was wrong. which way to Sodom and Gamorah ?

gunner just turn left at the golden gate!

dan az,
nope, that’s take the down escalator at the golden gate!!!

Hey Joe
I stand corrected!

Hey Gunner 689!

What’s “Gamority?” Am I missing something?

BTW, the sin in Soddom wasn’t sexual it was about how strangers were treated.

Oh and BTW again… After his wife died do you remember how Lott knocked up both of his daughters while he was drunk? I don’t know whether to think highly of him because he could get it up while he was so drunk he couldn’t tell it was his own daughters he was screwing or simply condemn him for his abuses of those two girls.

Ain’t that a great christial tale or piece of tail?

Rob

Actually, Lot’s daughters got him drunk and got themselves knock up. Went the wrong way and got ambushed on that lie didn’t you?

Robert,
I don’t know, what is “gamority”? where do you see it????

There has always been atheism, just like there’s always been homosexuality. It just seems like there’s more because of population and the information highway and media.

If I saw an old woman’s body I wouldn’t want sex either.

Crikey, good comeback! lol

Hi Bob,

I hope you explain to any bride you may have that when she gets old she won’t get any sex.

I figure that might be a deal breaker for some women.

Rob

I’m 70yo. I’ve had my share but can live without if I want.

Hey Bob,

Wouldn’t the ultimate perversion in a religion that says, “Go forth and multiply” be abstinance?

Wouldn’t it be a perversion of any god’s word on multiplying for humans to put rules on it?

Rob

What about the Native Americans who live here before their land was taken away? What about the slaves, or the Jews, or the Irish, or the Chinese who came over during the 19th century and helped build the railroads.

The founding fathers were Deists, some agnostic. We are a SECULAR nation because they KNEW, first hand the dangers of allowing religion to dictate the laws in this country.

Typical liberl rhetoric!

We’d all love to live in teepees. The injuns would still be living in TPs if not for the white man. Ever try getting a 64″ tv in a wigwam.

Bob asks: >>> Ever try getting a 64″ tv in a wigwam.<<<

It fits just fine in a yert along with a king size bed.

Rob

I’m wondering what you do with all the wiring – are there double layers of wig-wam? All those excess wires always annoy the heck out of me –

Sorry Red, wrong again! Only Jefferson was ever recorded as being a deist. This nation was founded by christian founding fathers, why don’t you understand that? Though Jefferson was a deist, he still held Sunday worship services in the White House the whole 2 terms he was there and so did the next president. In 1889 the SCOTUS riled that this nation is a christian nation. You lib, marxist, commie, gay loving, bleeding heart fools are the ones who need to leave this great country of ours. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Puhleez! How do you know? How does anybody know how many people that came before were homosexual? These days gays bring back blighted neighborhoods where hetero slumlords keep them slummy.

Karolyn wonders how the gays of the past can be counted.

Here, you can watch it on TV: http://www.pbs.org/outofthepast/

Rob

Nobody knows how many important people in our history were gay; and we probably never will know them all.

>>>Nobody knows how many important people in our history were gay; and we probably never will know them all.<<<

Just as all contemporaries were not known in real time. Rock Hudson kept his secret for a long time. So did Raymond Burr (Perry Mason), George Taki (Sulu), and David Ogden Stiers (Winchester). Shucks even old J. Edgar Hoover looks like he may have been gay. He and his right-hand man, Clyde Tolson, were constant companions for more than 40 years, even vacationing together, and both remained lifelong bachelors.

But the fact is that approximately 10% of the male world population OF ALL ERAS are or have strong leanings to be gay. For women it's counted as less but there are more bi women. Gosh it looks like some are determined to not miss any of the fun.

Go see: http://www.gallup.com/poll/6961/What-Percentage-Population-Gay.aspx

Rob

Yea, right. Look at how many of them die with dishonor with the AIDS virus!

So? That doesn’t change the fact that they are gay does it?

Yes, but they ask for forgiveness and try not to commit the same sin again?

Again, the rights of the minority must be protected from the tyranny of the majority. The Prop 8 crowd used invalid, baseless scare tactics to get prop 8 pushed into law.

Red,

Then you need to become the majority, bedt you would be singing a different tune if the shoe were on the other foot.

If all you’re going to do is rant, get off of this site and let the really intelligent people speak here. Like my father said: “A good leader doesn’t allow his personal feelings and/or beliefs to interfere with his good judgement.” I think you really need to ponder that situation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Red, you say the rights of the minority should be protected. Just an FYI, there never was a law in California recognizing gay marriage. Prop 8 would have and should stand. Nobodies “legal rights” were infringed except the majority that voted for Prop 8. It should and will become part of California’s constitution and will and should become law.

Gay marriage will be secure only when it stems from the court of public opinion rather than a court of law. That will not happen anytime soon.

Awww, JeffH just doesn’t seem to get it: >>>Nobodies “legal rights” were infringed except the majority that voted for Prop 8.<<<

Voting for slavery doesn't make it right. Voting for discrimination doesn't make it right. Voting for wars don't make them right… Oops we didn't vote for war. Sorry 'bout that.

Rob

Sorry dude, wrong again! We didn’t just go to these wars, they were voted on by the House and Senate before we went. Senate votes:
Afghanistan: 99 – 1 Iraq: 97 – 3 It seems that we did vote before going, doesn’t it? Get your facts stright before you post.

Yes Samurai, they did vote for the authorization bill, but they were lead to believe that it was to be used as a threat and unlikely to lead to an all out war. This was just the first of a string of lies the Bush administration used to get us into war. The costs, the time it would take, the loss of life, all estimates were knowingly falsified. Arial photos of “mobile labs”, nothing but BS.

As to the actual subject on hand, I’ll say it again; Just because the voters passed the amendment does not make it constitutional. That’s why we have the high courts.

ken1,
Bull$hit!!! They voted to go to WAR!!! hen they found out the people didn’t completely agree with it, they tried to back peddle. Remember the I was for the war before I was against it???? That was just an attempt to cover all bases!! If you can’t see that, I know beyond a doubt you are blind as he!!.

This is getting old fast. Listen, nobody has taken away any of their rights under the Constitution. Do you understand, moron? Being gay is a choice made by being influenced by satan in their hearts. They act on it and it is wrong. I’m tired of you libs always calling for gay rights, but can never proove what family values, morals, ethics, etc., this would bring to the nation. You’ll never get true God fearing patriots to change their minds, so why are you wasting sooooooo much time on the subject? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

It’s no wonder the rag heads hate America. look at all the degradation, filth, and smut the liberals have infected our Nation with. Every social ill America has can be blamed directly on liberals. Remember their moto “If it feels good, do it.”

gunner689– I think Republicans as well have had a hand in the smut that is being promoted. Neither party walks on water.

Gunner 689 claims: >>> Every social ill America has can be blamed directly on liberals.<<<

Like prohibition got us organized crime?
Like the Bush administration LIED to get us into wars?
Like the financial meltdown we've been through?

Rob

Robert S.
As far as the war, Bush lied to nobody!!! your heroes had the same intel that bush had! Clintoon even said that Saddam had to be removed when he was pres! His goof ball wife said the same thing. even ole swifty said it!! Use your head for more than something to keep your ears separated!!!

Dear MsAmericanPatriot, Do you have any idea what you just said about Shariah Law.
Dear lady, the last thing America needs right now is the Muslem Shariah Laws they say they must have to take over America. If your a Moslem, or not, you must have the heard the term. “jumping from the frying pan into the fire”. Well, that’s what America will do if we ever allow Shariah Law Here. I would suguest that even a Moslem President like Obama would fear to have Shariah Law come to America. He is no fool.
Take a few minutes to find out what “The 3 Secrets of the Quran they don’t want your to Know” has to say about Shariah Law. I think you can still find it on YouTube.com if it hasn’t already been deleted or removed. It was there 3 days ago.

Be carefull, your atheism is showing!

I do not think women are “too uppity” nowadays. I call it being independent. Equal job–equal pay. My daughter works for Caterpillar, she wears a hard hat and steel-toed boots and runs a forklift. She took the only job she could get at the time and she stayed with it. She was laid off, but re-hired when Caterpillar started calling their workers back. I call this making a living. Loose women? Yes, there are women that have the morals of an alley cat. Same with men. Like my husband says–going around half-dressed leaves nothing to the imagination. It is what you can’t see that can sometimes be intriguing.

ValDM says: >>> We’re reminded that marriage was institued by GOD.<<<

Bzzzzzzzz, WRONG in America. Your god doesn't run our government. There will be no state religion.

Why don't you move to someplace where god rules the government like Iraq? They don't like gays there either.

Rob

Robert,

More than one of God’s laws has been adopted intact into civil law. Two that quickly come to mind are prohibitions on murder and theft.

I am sure that you can think of more.

From ChuckL: >>>Two that quickly come to mind are prohibitions on murder and theft. <<<

Bzzzz, wrong there ChuckL. That relationship is coincidental. Most other religions have prohibitions on murder and theft. In fact atheists can make laws agianst them too.

It's called a social contract.

Rob

Rob, rob, rob, you are soooooooo far out in left field that you are in the parking lot. Our christian founding fathers believed in nature and nature’s God. They instilled their beliefs into the founding of this country. If you don’t think so, I suggest that you go back and reeducate yourself on our history. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Personally, I could care less what you rump-rangers do behind closed doors. But, I don’t want to see it, hear about it, pay for it, or have it taught to my grandchildren. And last but not least, I don’t want it in my military, unless it’s in a segregated unit with pink uniforms. That way the enemy can know what’s coming their way. If that’s called intolerance then I guess I’m guilty of being intolerant. I was hoping AIDS would have settled this problem years ago.

gunner689
my sentiments exactly!!!!!

You’d just better pray nobody from your family is struck with an incurable disease! Did you say you’re a Christian?

Robert, you are a very misguided fool. God has dominion over all the earth, everything on it, in it, in the waters, in the air, everything! Since our country is part of this planet, then God has dominion over our country. State your sources next time you post. Our religion may not run this country, but so many of our “good” leaders believe the same way we do, so buzz off and leave this site for the ones who care about this country of ours. Anyone who says that there is no God, hate God, church, etc., isn’t a good patriotic American and need to go back where they came from. Do you read me?
FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I never heard the word marriage mentioned in the story of Adam & Eve.

Let’s not go there. God made Eve to be a help (wife) for Adam. If you really read your Bible, you would know this.

Samurai posted: >>>God made Eve to be a help (wife) for Adam. If you really read your Bible, you would know this.<<<

Awww shucks (offensive words removed) to great effect.

Rob

Karolyn: No, I don’t remember telling anyone that I’m a Christian. I keep my spiritual side to myself. As to an incurable diseases; there is a big difference in coming down with one and intentionally backing into a bad weenie.

haven’t you ever heard of separation of church and state?

AND don’t forget that the bible ALSO says that he who is without sin shall cast the first stone.
So, leave Jesus out of this. He would accept gay people more willingly than he would accept any of the people supporting prop 8 who are full of hate and judgement.

Don’t you remember ANYTHING from the bible besides the one or two passages you base your argument on?
Don’t try and spit Bible arguments at anyone because by showing the amount of hate and narrow-mindedness many of the prop 8 supporters display is NOTHING that the bible teachings would support.

Just let people be happy in their own way.
It has nothing to do with you or your life.

Reena
It has allot to do with our lives.Its forced down our throats (no pun intended) this is now taught in grade school to our children that fudge packing is alright if you love some one and carpet munching is fine if your girl friend likes it,Its just not for everyone so put it back in the closet where it belongs.Just because you think your perversions are ok with Jesus then how about the child molester he feels its alright or the bestiality group would you have this taught to your children too.I dont think so and its not all right to teach our children that you perversion is all right either.

Sorry Dan but this kind of behavior is not ok with Jesus.

Well said Dan.

You’re comparing apples to oranges.

Four things.

One, just because you want to brainwash your kids to make them hate homosexuals just like you do doesn’t mean you should have the right to do so, any more than the homosexuals have the right to say their side of the argument.

And by the same token, just because you DON’T think those things are right doesn’t mean they aren’t, so perhaps you should stick your intolerance back in the closet rather than telling other people to stick their sexuality in the closet.

Also, I don’t care what Jesus thinks because I don’t care about Jesus whatsoever, so don’t try to force your religious dogma on me.

Finally, I while pedophilia is demonstrably harmful, I don’t believe the same can be said about bestiality. So, you know? I don’t have any problem teaching kids to respect zoosexuals. After all, I think teaching your kids tolerance and the ability to not shove their opinions down others’ throats is just fine, thanks.

Claw,
The generally accepted principle is that children and animals are innocents and should be protected. This is the foundation that rebuffs the assumption that allowing homosexuality will result in the legalization of pedophilia and bestiality.

As to the question of what is taught in school. I have yet to see a grade school that teaches anything more than acceptance for the idea of two parents of the same sex. Even at the higher levels, sex ed is not about methods, but about the biological and health aspects of sex. Some of you seem to suggest that your students have been handed a copy of the Kamasutra as a text book! If you don’t like the idea of your children being taught about sex in school, request that they be excused from class, but please be certain that you teach them more than just abstinence. In my years working with youth, I have seen too many kids who gave in to their urges and end up pregnant or ill. I understand your principles and religious beliefs, but ignoring the possibility that your child might have a weak moment can be devastating in today’s world.

immovable1,
I taught both of my girls abstinence and the youngest one is 20 and never been pregnant. My 30 year old was pregnant once at about 24 years old and had a miscarriage!! Can you say the same about the ones that have had sex-ed in middle school??? when I was in school in the 60s we had maybe two girls get pregnant. Now you walk through that same school and see 10 or 12 at a time!!! I guess abstinence does work if you aren’t afraid to be part of your kid’s life!!! I personally know two kids that were pregnant at 15 in the same school as my youngest. One used to be my daughters best friend. No, I didn’t make her leave and neither did my kid. I just think when my daughter wasn’t as permiscuous as her she decided not to hang around with her anymore!!

Joe,
I didn’t say don’t teach them abstinence, just consider the risks of leaving them to find out about the dangers on their own. I have raised my kids and guided others with a very clear understanding about sex. I believe all kids should wait, but I do more than just warn them that it is a sin. I explain the emotional aspect of sex. I warn them that they will have and break up with several boy/girl friends in their lives, and that sex can make the experience much more painful. I warn them about the dangers of STDs and the fact that your partner may be unaware that they are infected. That fact alone should be taught to EVERYONE. Who wants to be engaged and then find out that their partner is HIV positive and didn’t know?

Abstinence is a great way to prevent pregnancy, illness and emotional pain and no one teaches it more than the Catholic church. Given that, why was the abortion rate per capita was higher in Catholics than Protestants in a 2001 survey? One explanation from a Catholic teen is that both contraception and abortion are sins, but taking the pill means sinning 275 days a year where as abortion is maybe once a year. It’s silly and convoluted, but this is a teenage mind trying to grasp religious dogma. Maybe their parents were not as involved as you, or it could be that their children were more defiant. Either way, lack of guidance and information lead them to a very troubling conclusion. Worse still, because of their belief about contraception, they left themselves open to STDs.

ken1,
Then why did the teen pregnancy rate skyrocket when they started disallowing prayer in school and teaching sex ed in middle school??????

So, simply because I support gay marriage, you automatically think I’m a lesbian? Silly person. That’s way too biased for someone with an intelligent argument to make.

Claw, if you don’t mind, could you come up with some facts and sources to back up what you say? Take your atheist, gay loving, lib comments and stick where the sun don’t shine. Since you seem to be gay, you’ll know where I mean!

Sorry Reena but remember what it says and what we are told: “Hate the sin and not the sinner.” Just because I know gay lifestyle to be perverse and wrong in the eyes of God, that doesn’t mean I want to kill them all. I don’t hate the person, just the lifestyle. If you agree with their way of doing things, then either you are gay or someone close to you is. If it’s the second one, be a real friend and get them to go to church and read the Bible. If it’s the first one, then you need to be the one that goes. Remember, gays have the same rights under the Constitution as any other American and can marry anyone they want. It just has to be someone of the opposite sex. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I’ve posted this before. I have a dear friend who is gay. He’s a great guy and had a long term relationship with his partner before he died. He is also a Christian and conservative. I debate with him all the time. Most of his friends are straight, and he is accepted in his community. He realized he was gay when in high school, and it had nothing to do with anything he learned in school. If you ever listen to gays talk about when they realized, you will note that they always say they felt different but didn’t know what it was. THEY DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE GAY!!! And you are crude and vulgar. If your head is in the gutter, that’s the way you think. Just becuse a kid is taught the facts of life (all the facts) doesn’t mean he’s gonna run out and do them all!

Samurai,
I understand that your faith requires you to proselytize, but your beliefs are not the basis for our laws. Yes, I know many gay people, some couples and some singles. I know happy families with gay parents and well adjusted children, gay members of our church (yes, it’s christian) and others that I do not care to associate with. In other words, people just like everyone else. Good, bad, religious or not, sexual orientation is not a harbinger of anything bad. And while I understand that your religious views conflict with this, and while I understand that your heart is in the right place, those of us who are accepting of the gay community would never assume to tell them they are wrong, or agree to legislation requiring them to hide from society any more than we would agree to legislation forcing your church to accept them.

No Jesus would NOT accept gays. He came to uphold the law and the prophets NOT surpass them. Homosexuality is CONDONED in BOTH parts of the Bible. Reena quit drinking the kool aide, token on the wacky weed and reading the satanic NIV Bible.

OMG. How can you be so audacious to say that Jesus would not accept gays?

Karolyn, I think she means that he wouldn’t accept their lifestyle, not them. Being gay is against God’s plan and is punishable by hellfire and brimstone. You can disagree with me all you want, but deep down you know I, the Bible, God, Jesus, etc., are right.

MsAmericanPatriot
OK then, which is right? The NRSV, the REB, CEV, ESV, TEV, HCSB, NASGB, NKJV, NJB, which is the “right” translation? While we’re at it, what about the decisions made by the Council of Nicaea, and all the scribes and ancient scholars who are now known to have made a mistake here and there? Are you really so certain that you can speak for Christ?

By the way, you said, quite firmly that “Homosexuality is CONDONED in BOTH parts of the Bible!”. Does this mean that you have found proof that being gay is ok in the eyes of God?

Karolyn, Jesus will in fact not accept gays remember in order to be accepted by Jesus you must first turn away from your sins, and Jesus finds homosexuality to be an abomination.

Reena,

MsAmericanPatriot is correct in that Jesus would not have condoned the lifestyle; however, He also would not have turned anyone away. We can actually see this as fact in Matthew 4:23. It says, “And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people.” (NKJV)

I can’t stress enough how important it is to do word studies. For example, the word used for disease is malakia (mal-uh-kee-uh), and it literally means the effeminate partner in a male-male relationship. Jesus looked at such people as needing to be delivered and healed. So while He did not come into the world to condemn the world, He also clearly does not support or condone such acts of perversion.

The Bible makes a clear distinction betwen homosexuals and sodomites, which can be seen in 1 Corinthians 6:9. A homosexual is one who plays the passive submissive role, where the sodomite plays the dominate role. Essentially, with a homosexual, a male becomes a female, and in so doing becomes deceived as Eve was deceived. Whereas with a sodomite, he is not deceived, he is blatantly sinning against God, and doesn’t care that his Creator abhors such acts, and doesn’t care how he might do longterm damage to the health of his victim.

Furthermore, lesbianism is not similar in that one is deceived (victim), and another is willfully sinning (perpetrator). Lesbianism is a judgment from God, brought on by worshipping and serving the creation, rather than the Creator (Romans 1:24-26); of course the male-male relationship can be, too.

I do hope you will spend time in prayer seeking the Truth on all of these things, because the Truth is not a what, but rather a Who, and He will elighten your heart with all knowledge of God through His Holy Spirit. Eternity is a long time to be wrong!

What you just said has a whole lot of real truth and I’m going to copy your text and try to make a YouTube type video with your comments. Photo illistrations would not be possible so it will just be white text on black background. First I will look for more data from other people who have commented on the subject.

REENA-

You asked “haven’t you ever heard of separation between church and state”……yes, from people that just want to tread upon this country. You tout this as if that is actually written in our Constitution….please, enlighten us all as to where the Constitution says this?

http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#church

The Separation Of Church and State

The phrase “separation of church and state” does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the 1st Amendment erected a “wall of separation” between the church and the state (James Madison said it “drew a line,” but it is Jefferson’s term that sticks with us today). The phrase is commonly thought to mean that the government should not establish, support, or otherwise involve itself in any religion. The Religion Topic Page addresses this issue in much greater detail.

Thanks to Pat Roche for the idea.

The Separation Of Powers Clause

Though it may be implied or even directly stated in some news reports, blog postings, or web sites, there is no clause of the Constitution that is called the “Separation of Powers Clause.” This is because there is no one clause that says “separation of powers” or “checks and balances” or any other phrase that is used synonymously. The concept of the Separation of Powers is written into the first three articles of the Constitution, as detailed elsewhere.

Thanks to Eric Zuesse for the idea.

The Wall of Separation

Often when someone speaks of the constitutionally guaranteed right to religion, they also speak of “the wall of separation between church and state,” or simply as “the separation of church and state.” What does this mean, and what is the origin of this phrase?

It did not take long after the passage and ratification of the 1st Amendment for people to start interpreting it to simply mean that that federal government had no business getting mixed into religion. Of course, there is more to it than that, especially when it comes to the individual right part of the amendment. But the notion that the government should not become enmeshed in religion is an important concept, too. There is nothing in the Constitution that specifically says that there is a wall of separation between religion and government. The Wall, however, is a nice shorthand metaphor for non-establishment.

One of the founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, is directly responsible for giving us this phrase. In his 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association, then-President Jefferson used the phrase — it was probably not the first time, but it is the most memorable one. He said:

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, [the people, in the 1st Amendment,] declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.

Jefferson did not have a hand in the authoring of the Constitution, nor of the 1st Amendment, but he was an outspoken proponent of the separation of church and state, going back to his time as a legislator in Virginia. In 1785, Jefferson drafted a bill that was designed to quash an attempt by some to provide taxes for the purpose of furthering religious education. He wrote that such support for religion was counter to a natural right of man:

… no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.

Jefferson’s act was passed, though not without some difficulty, in Virginia. Eyler Robert Coates wrote that the act was copied in the acts or constitutions of several states, either in words or in concepts. Jefferson himself was in France by the time word of the act reached Europe, and he wrote back to America that his act was well-thought of and admired.

Jefferson’s letter specifically pointed out by the Supreme Court in Reynolds v US (98 US 145 [1878]). For details on Reynolds, see the next section. It has been a notable metaphor for the 1st Amendment’s non-establishment concept ever since.

That was written so the government could not deter the freedom of worship….. which by the way, it is.

What does being in an abnormal relationship have to do with separation of church and state?

If you believe in the separation of church and state if a church doesn’t want to marry ” gays ” then how could the gov’t force them to?

Did anybody say they could be forced?

Jesus said “obey all my fathers laws,” not just to not judge others behaviors, If we of faith are to allow this coverage of sinful action in this country a pall will be over this great nation, there is no foundation in saying that there is a seperation of church and state, that was not the flavour of the law in writting the constitution, the founding fathers never saw this one coming, and the last thing we need is a Godless government. seperation of church and state was to prevent the church heads from being in power, has not to do with us lesser vassels, We the people do have the constutional right to self govern

There’s already a pall over this country.

Several states in the 18th century had an “official” church. This was the cause of much concern, as this church, having the power of both a majority of citizens and governmental power tended to ostracize those who were followers of other religions, or held no religious beliefs. This was, among other issues the reason for the 1st amendment. You suggest that our founders wanted to “prevent the church heads from being in power”, but this was, of course not possible. Many church leaders would influence our political leaders or become political leaders them selves. Therefore the goal seems to have been to keep the leaders of any one church from governing according to their own beliefs, as they did in some states.

That which our founders sought to protect us from is exactly what the fundamental Christians in America are attempting today. Assuming that you are the majority voice, and armed with your members of the House and Senate, you strive to govern the actions of all Americans based on your beliefs. Your President gave money to church organizations to provide aid to the poor, and those groups used this as an opportunity to proselytize. Your Congressmen block bills to provide medical aid because they demand that teach abstinence be enforced. Your leaders claim that God has brought floods to the south and earthquakes to the west because we tolerate “deviants”. You threaten us with hell fire and damnation, you point to your Bible and tell us that we are all in violation of a greater law, but these are not the crusades. You do not have the right or the power to force us to live by your rules. Even if the majority of Americans are Christian, they do not all share your beliefs. We are all free to live as we choose, so long as our actions do no harm to others. This is common law, and despite the claims of the church it is not based in Christianity. This is the wall of separation.

There is nothing in the Bible that says anything about separation of Church and States. What it says, and this in an Amendment, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishent of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. I am not in favor of, and do not understand homosexuals, but I think that the problelm regarding same sex marriages should be up to a vote by the people. Another Amendment to the Constitution should be mandatorry if it is to be permitted. I do not think that some one Judge has the power or the right to make decisions such as this.

And, I wish people would stop calling homosexuals “gays”, taking a pleasent work of our language and turning it nasty.

God created them male and female, not male and male
God says that homosexuality is an abomination
It is sinful – missing the mark, and He hates it
Jesus was God, so Jesus would say homosexuality is a sin
Repent, now is our time of grace

Jesus said NOTHING about homosexuality.

Using the bible as your argument says more about you than it does about God. It suggest you’re unable to form your own opinion and are using scripture as an excuse for denying gay couples equal marriage rights. Also, we are not a theocracy, where the law is dictated by scripture.

In short, you’re pushing all responsibility for your words onto God and not taking responsibility for what you say.

How do you know this Red? Is that your name or your political affiliation (commie)? State your sources and cite them for us. It even says that: “In the end days men shall turn away from their natural affections for the woman. His hear shall burn unaturally for another man. And a woman for another woman.” This is what Jesus told St. John the Divine while he was imprisoned on the island of Patmos, so what other proof do you need? Why don’t you actually take time and sit down to read the Bible. You may actually have your eyes opened to the real truth and not the ignorant rantings you post on this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

There is no such thing as “separation of Church & state” written within the Constitution. Just a perverse twisting of words by self-serving, left wing socialists who hate our country.

You can try all you want to discount what the Bible says about Homo sexuality, but that doesn’t change the fact that the Bible does say that it is sin and an abomination. As for letting people be happy; that is what Christians truly want for all people. Its just that I don’t believe those people would be happy in the Lake of Fire. And if they do not repent that is where they will wind up. Thats not what I think, its what the Bible has to say about the matter. If you don’t like it take it up with God, not his messengers.

Noone is casting stones. No one is being put to death. Just because someone disagrees doesn’t make them full of hate. True Juesus loves us all but, He also expects us to choose between right and wrong according to his word. That is not being judgemental, that is standing up fo what we believe in. In this case, it is the word of GOD.

Y’all just need to get back in the closet where you belong. If we were to back down on Prop. 8 and you won, that’s just the next step in your convoluted HOMO agenda.

Next, you want it taught to my child in school. Then we can promote child porn(yippee!), then incest is legalized. I’ll take each and every one of you out of this f-in world before I allow that so listen up red(blue)because you have obviously been sleeping. We’re tired of it and we’re not going to take it. Back to the closet with you! Oh, and read the Holy Bible if you really want to know why you’re wrong. I’m not going to look up yhe passages for you but the good book does have an index and table of contents just as any other book does. Educate yourself and repent of your sins. Hear the good news of Jesus Christ and be saved. He died for your sins, afterall. Mine too! God Bless all of us! Oh, and impeach Obama!

The ‘homosexual agenda’ is to be recognized by the United States as a married couple and to be treated equally.

Is heterosexuality taught in schools to kids? Most they get is an explanation of the ‘different parts’ and how they work and later, the ‘birds and the bees’. If they aren’t taught about heterosexuality, why would they be taught about homosexuality?

Incest is illegal and with valid reason.

I am not a Christian and religion should NOT be a deciding factor in whether gay and lesbian couples should marry or not. The word ‘homosexuality’ never once appeared in print before the mid-late 19 century. I do not share your religious views; neither does half the country so why should yours be more valid than mine OR theirs?

Yes, RED, we all know know you’re likely an atheist and, based on the majority of the comments posted here, your views are opposed. We’re aware we can’t fix ‘stupid’ whether on your side or ours. With that, I bow out to further the pursuit and spreading of TRUTH as the Bible teaches it.

Why do you insist on calling people who believe differently “stupid” and worse? Is everybody who believes differently than you really stupid? That’s a lotta people, buddy. You might want to rethink things. You just might be wr…wr…..wrong. Consider the possibility. I really don’t care what you believe, but you really could be wrong.

The gay agenda is about more than being married and you know it. They want to start there, but it is about forcing their abnormal lifestyle onto the backs of normal people. Get your facts straight before you post, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

First of; I’m a STRAIT WOMAN.

Secondly; this is NOT about your religion or mine. Your religion should NOT be the deciding factor because the reality is, NOT EVERYONE in this nation shares your religious beliefs, so why should your religious views be valid in deciding this but not mine or anyone else’s? We are NOT a theocracy.

Thirdly, the bible (the UN-DOCTORED bible, which is NOT the Kings James version) says nothing against homosexuals marrying. The word ‘homosexual’ doesn’t even appear in print until the mid-late 19th century and the original Hebrew and Latin words it replaces aren’t even CLOSE to that.

Oh, yea. Definately a candidate for another Lenin, Stalin, atheist, or maybe Saul Alinsky. Remember, communism also preached that religion wasn’t important in many issues either and look what happened to millions of people around the world because of it.

You don’t understand. The Bible is God’s word and is supposed to help guide us through our daily lives. We vote because of our beliefs, act because of them, etc. What part of this don’t you understand? Take your lib, commie, atheist self and go home.

Joe said: >>>in the King James version of the Bible where it says same sex marriage is acceptable!!! <<<

Nope, your religion doesn't run America.

BTW, if your religion is so great how's come you need to have laws to make people behave the way you (or your god) want them to? Can't your god just fix it?

Smith

Go somewhere else to peddle your load of crap. This article is talking about legislation that was voted on by the people, passed through legislation, signed by the governor and made law. Suddenly, some gay judge decided that it could be affecting him and overturned it. Now another court has set a date for debate on it. Being gay has nothing to do with this christian nation and has no protection under our Judeo-Christian written Constitution. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai posted: >>>This article is talking about legislation that was voted on by the people, passed through legislation, signed by the governor and made law.<<<

Like assisted suicide in Oregon that was attacked by the right wing?
Like medical pot?

However, a VOTE doesn't make something legal. For example no state can vote to make slavery legal again. The courts are SUPPOSED to get rid of bad law.

Rob

First, Rob are you stuck in the timeline before 1865? You keep talking about slavery, which isn’t an important topic in today’s America. We ratified the Constitution with the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments, so these days slavery is a dead issue.

Second, you say the right wing attacked pot and assisted suicide? Bzzzzz wrong again! There were many people, who weren’t GOP, who attacked these things also. “Thou shalt not kill” is one of the Commandments we live by. Committing suicide, self inflicted or assisted, is a sin in the eyes of God and it is still taking an innocent life (your own).

Pot, along with other illegal drugs, are called illegal for a reason. They adversely affect the human body and some even kill for them when they are addicted. Enough said!

Finally, though I understand you somewhat fanatic beliefs and wanting to destroy this country from the inside, I don’t know why people like you wish to destroy the family and family values. “As goes the family, so goes the nation.” You all should remember this was said by Julius Ceasar of Rome. By the way, he was killed for his higher moral beliefs. Are you fanatics willing to do the same to get your way off based agendas passed, hmmm?

Sorry dude, but our faith is christianity and not islam. This is a christian nation and will be this way forever into the future, so get over it and get over yourself.

Samurai says: >>>This is a christian nation and will be this way forever into the future, so get over it and get over yourself.<<<

Nope. It's a nation with a lot of christians. Remember: NO STATE RELIGION.

Besides many christians like Bishop Spong support same sex merriage.

Rob

Wrong again! Though there is no state sponsored religion, our country was founded our this faith of ours. If any christian does support gay marriage, then they are delivering a false doctrine and shouldn’t be listened to. Remember in 1889, the SCOTUS ruled that this nation is a christian nation. Get over it, because this is history and you libs cannot rewrite it.

Yes Joe. Same sex marriage is Abomination, yesterday, today and tomorrow. In judgement day that will be forever clear by our Creator.

The bible has been rewritten by a man a million times. God is a loving God and would not punish 2 people who love each other. The first one without sin shall cast the first stone and or judgement!!!!
Love is unconditional!!!!!!!

Tooooooooo much kool aid!

So the majority is NEVER wrong? When the majority vote on the rights of an oppressed minority, they call that ‘mob rule’.

In YOUR definition; it is NOT the same everywhere or for everyone. The definition of marriage has been changed many, many times through history. It emerged as a form of property rights, where women were given in marriage as wives to form alliances. Often a man would take several wives. 60-some odd years ago, it was a man and a woman of the same ethnicity. People of different religious backgrounds getting married in this country was once considered a taboo.

Well, that was then… and this is now.

Times were very, very different those near-forty years ago. Now? A lot has changed.

Way tooooooo much kool aid on a daily basis.

>>>Red, the majority people spoke, you lost so get over it!<<<

No again. The SCOTUS is SUPPOSED to bounce bad lawmaking.

For example, slavery can't be voted on.

BTW, what about medical pot and assisted suicide. Those were voted on. For the suicied thing Bush sent Ashcroft out to try to overturn the VOTE of the folks in Oregon.

Rob

By the way you keep talking about slavery, it makes me wonder if you are afro-american.

Samurai says wonders about my race.

Samurai, I’m not black but I stand up for their rights.

I’m not a woman but I support women’s rights.

I’m not gay but I support their rights.

I was a WASP but I’ve been saved from the “P” part. I was a member and a firearms instructor with the NRA for over 20 years and didn’t renew the year before George Bush Sr. quit.

I’ll simplifiy it for you, Samurai: I’m pro-choice on almost everything as America should be. If it ain’t yoru business don’t mess with it.

For example:
I’m pro-choice on firearms.
I’m pro-choice on sexual issues among consenting adults.
I’m pro-choice on recreational drugs.
I’m pro-choice on gay merriage.

How many things are you pro-choice on Samurai?

Rob

I believe in going by what it says in the Constitution and in the Bible, to the letter. No straying from the path. Right to bear arms? Yes, as this is the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. Of course, we both know that felons and other people don’t have that right. The average citizen does. Speech, voting, religion, etc., yes I’m for these things to, but just remember what James Madison said: “If it’s illegal, immoral, or unethical, no American shall have the right to do these things under this U.S. Constitution.” Being gay, using illegal drugs, etc., are wrong in God’s eyes and in the eyes of the American people.

JeffH asks: >>> What ever happened to majority rules?<<<

When it's bad law it's supposed to be struck down by the courts. The fact is you can't vote on slavery. Besides, I see a lot of objections to "the poor" voting themselves benefits and allegedly ruining the country.

You can't have "majority" just one way that agrees with you, Jeff. That's NOT the American way.

Rob

Robert Smith,
Prochoice is just a polite way of saying you are pro abortion, the killing ofr babies!!!

Right on!

Yes he preferred a cigar.

Jackson says: >>>The moment we allow one activist judge to have the freedom to design a law around his own lifestyle then we can’t complain when every other judge does the same.<<>>In Roman Catholic theology, “transubstantiation” means the change of the substance of bread and wine into the Body and Blood (respectively) of Christ in the Eucharist…<<<

That is not the abuse of the drug alcohol. It's ritualistic canabalism if it actually changes into the body and blood. Yuck

Actually, isn't canabalism illegal too? Another exception for christians.

Rob

I think you need to pull your head out of the sand and try to understand the world around you.

From slickporshe: >>> If I had my way, there would be a $200 bounty on every queer/dead.<<<

Sounds like a Muslum thing to me.

I don't think Christians go around killing folks for simple disagreement.

Oops… What abour all those abortion doctors.

BTW, how does gay marriage impact your marriage? Please be specific.

Rob

Gay marriage undermines traditional family values and destroys the natural family structure as set up by God. Be quiet and take your atheist arse back to where you came from.

Samurai says: >>>Gay marriage undermines traditional family values and destroys the natural family structure as set up by God.<<>> Be quiet and take your atheist arse back to where you came from.<<<

Oh now Samurai it's clear you're presuming to make stuff up. I may not believe in the abusive god you seem to think rules things but I am part of a religion. Why do you suggest falsehoods? Is that your way to "win" a discussion?

Rob

If you think I’m lying rob, them post some REAL FACTS and cite some REAL SOURCES to back them up. Your mere words mean nothing if you have nothing to back them up with.

Samurai,
Can you say UUA???

You sure are slick, uh, no, sorry I meant sick! You should drop the l from your name. You sound just like an ex friend of mine (Christian) who said she would love to sit on a rooftop and shoot gays. That is about as un-American and un-Christian as you can get. Actually, it does sound more like Muslim rhetoric. Is it rubbing off on you?

I know what gay men do but what do Lesbians do?

Bob asks: >>>I know what gay men do but what do Lesbians do?<<<

Why are you interested? Why is it any of your business? If they were doing stuff on the sidewalk in front of your house I'm sure you wouldn't need to ask but they usually engage in sex in PRIVACY.

Isn't that the way you have sex, Bob? I honestly don't care what you do either.

Rob

ya or get a divorce.

oh wait, THAT’S LEGAL!

I guess the only undermining of marriage occurs on a personal level and isn’t up to legislature. woops.

Simple; there is a valid, proven reason for incest and polygamy are illegal in this country. What valid, proven reason is there to keep gay couples from marrying?

How is that possible, when both of them are punishable by serving time in jail? You’re really way off of base here.

There’s a problem with that, though; when the states decide things, you create an imbalance if most of those states all go the same way and others and civil unions are NOT recognized in all states-in very few, in fact. It’s not portable, so if a gay couple who married here in Massachusetts go (for whatever reason) to another state that doesn’t recognize their marriage, you’ve got a problem.

The real answer is to marry someone of the OPPOSITE GENDER and then you have no problems. What do you libs not understand about this?

Samurai asks: >>>What do you libs not understand about this?<<<

Actually I'm not a liberal. I'm a Goldwater conservative. Remember him? He was the father of conservatism in America until the reich wing christians perverted it.

Good old Barry was pro-choice on abortion, same sex merriage, and gays in the military.

Rob

So, these are the reasons he didn’t make president. Dude, I hate to tell you, but your stance on drugs, gays, etc., have nothing to do with being conservative. Being conservative means sticking to traditional values and not going for these way off base things, like the libs do. For example, christianity is a conservative belief. We don’t accept freakish behavior. We believe hate the sin and not the sinner. Since you are a sinner rob, I suggest that you go back to church and try to see the light before you start feeling some very big heat on your backside (pun intended).

Anker Vinje,

Then you approve of the votes for assisted suicide and medical pot.

Congratulations… I know the right would eventually see the light.

Rob

Illegal drugs and assisted suicide are both wrong. You know it and so do I, so quit with the unfounded statements you are making. Cite your sources on this site, if you have any that is. You libs want to keep the good people divided and slow them down. Sorry, but I’m not stopping anytime soon. This lifestyle wouldn’t even be considered by our christian founding fathers as acceptable. By the way you sound, you must be smoking pot, committing incest, and have more than one wife at the present time. Get off of the lib nonsense before you end up feeling some great amount of heat (If you know what I mean?).

Assisted suicide is a blessing. The US should be more like other countries which allow people to die with dignity.

Although I agree with Samurai concerning assisted suicide–I have to add these comments but keep in mind I certainly KNOW the difference between human beings and animals. For example, in the past I have put several of my old Champion dogs to sleep which was the humane thing to do at the time. I could NOT let them suffer. I always hold them and tell them how much I love them and I tell them I am thankful for the joy they brought into my life and then the vet gives them the infamous injection. I cry my heart out but I will not let them die alone. I have them cremated and they will all be in my casket when I leave this life. My point is—I have often thought that when people die, sometimes they are in terrible pain, and they linger for months and the quality and dignity of life is gone. My father-in-law died a terrible, painful death. Sometimes I think it would be a blessing if a person could be put to sleep–sometimes I think this about my own life. God knows how I will die, I am glad I do not know.

Samurai is at it again: >>>Illegal drugs and assisted suicide are both wrong.<<>> You know it and so do I<<<

There you go again, Samurai. I'll agree that assisted suicide is wrong for anyone who doesn't want it. That would be murder (as opposed to simple killing because we have laws opposing killing someone when they don't want to be dead (excepting executions).

Rob

Here we go again with rob and his lib rantings and unfounded facts! If assisted suicide (euthanasia) is a good thing, you must be out of your little lib mind! Remember, Dr Jack(Dr. Death) was sentenced for a long term in prison for doing such acts in Michigan. OMG! Michigan is a lib state also. Does this tell you something about how the average American feels, reguardless of which side of the coin they are on?

Robert Smith,
Actually I almost as far right as any here and I believe in MEDICAL Marijuana!! As long as you can PROVE you are getting it for a real medical reason, not an ingrown toenail!! Or obesity!! Now Cancer, glaucoma, tumors, constant pain, digestive disorders that keep people from eating enough, things that can stand up to two drs from different practices, then yes, DEFINATELY! Recreational use, you still take your chances!!!

Hi John,

You posted: >>>As long as you can PROVE you are getting it for a real medical reason,<<<

Is that like "proving" the necessity of an abortion to save the life of the woman?

Medical issues are between the patient and the doctor. (that's a period at the end of the sentence)

Are you opposed to alcohol too? Alcohol does far more damage to a person than pot. There is no such thing as an overdose. The ONLY way pot ever illed a lab rat is when a 20 pound brick was dropped on it. Pot, although habbituating, is NOT addictive. There are no hangovers from pot.

BTW, I'm opposed to driving, etc. under any influence that will be distracting. That includes texting. (Honk if you love Jesus, text if you want to meet him.)

And, certainly like alcohol pot isn't for kids.

Rob

Robert,
Actually it’s JOE H not john!! and yes, I do want it to be a proven neccesity to protect the life of the mother!! Don’t like it? TOUGH! you just don’t want the personal responsibility of your own actions!! Grow a pair son and when you get a woman pregnant stand up to your adult responsibilities!! Or are you 15???

The (hopefully) VAST majority of people agree with that precept. Marriage is a “rite” and not a “right”. NOBODY wants to deny commited couples the perks (tax breaks, visitation, inheritance etc.) of establishing a house-hold. What the reasonable object to is being FORCED to call “this” marriage (which it isn’t…. incidentally… hetero couples married outside the church should be civil unions as well) when in reality it’s a means stroking fragile egos to grant wierdos the illusion of mainstream acceptance. We’re willing to give you the benefits and your answer is…. “NO.. You’ve got to call me married”!! Ergo…. it’s not about equality… it’s about forced condoning of faulty wiring.

When did the “love that dare not speak its’ name” become the “love that won’t shut the $&#* up”??!!??

Many gays feel just like many heteros that marriage is the ultimate commitment that shows the individuals’ love for each other. Persoanlly, I don’t know why the need, but that’s my opinion.

Of that… I have no doubt.

There’s no other way to say it than their “love” for each other is unnatural, that’s it. No other way to say it.

@ ChuckL. Oh ChuckL, you are one brilliant fellow. your defination is absolutely priceless. Thanks.
Now, how do we make it official?
Maybe we spell it with a capital “Q” and introduce a new words into the English vocabulary. Wonderfull. Three new words, Wow,
“Queeriage Licence” or maybe a “Homoiage Licence” or maybe even a “Leseiage Licence”. Hey maybe even a “Creatiage Licence” for those who want to marry their pet dog.

Now I’ll go and read the rest of the comments.

Hey ChuckL,

You stated: >>>Any species that requires the joining of two sexes to procreate and instead promotes only single sex unions has doomed itself to extinction.<<<

What! Wow a pontential convert the homosexual ranks. I know it will be tough for you Chuck, but hang in there. If homosexuality becomes the law of the land I'm sure you will adapt.

Or, are you going to continue to breed?

Seems to me that your generalization seems to be completely false. But that appears to be the way of objections to same sex merriage. You are forgiven if you quit messing with the lives of others.

Rob