You can’t get away with logic here

L O L

For those of you that think change is bad and miss the good-ol-days of mob rule. L O L means Laughing out Loud when texting. I know that this is confusing, hey most of you don’t understand why a mobile phone is referred to as a “cell” phone. Just for the fun of it I challenge any you to tell me how many cells are in your mobile phone. I’m sorry, that was a mean thing to say. It’s wrong to pick on people that are slow. BUT, see how fast you forgot what the subject matter was of this post. Yep, LOL

You’re right. I long for the days of personal integrity, honesty and people acting responsibly which by the way is not within the DNA of this current elitist regime. Actually, I’m from Chicago so I do recognize all the lovable traits.

Must have taught you different in your Church than the ones I went to.

I guess WENT pretty much sums it up. Try GOING again. WENT gets you an E-ticket to Hell without absolution.

semantics will get you nowhere – I was talking about my schooling in grade/high school, not the Church I go to which is still telling me about Purgatory.

Now Limbo, that is a different subject -

Ultra left…. I am just curious. Where is the word “Purgatory” in the Holy Scripture?

A common statement that Fundamentalists make – I’m not interested in debating religion on this site so I offer this as just something to look at if you are so inclined. http://www.catholic.com/library/Purgatory.asp – can’t speak for the other guy -

Ultra Lame,
Keep telling yourself that, maybe you can convince yourself in time to see him become a one hit wonder er loser!!!

Uter left
Is this what you believe in and want so badly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w&feature=player_embedded

and the Islamic faith is not a religion. It is a FALSE religion, therefore it has no protection under our Judeo-Christian constitution and that my friend, is the difference here.

Do those 600 churches have a voice with the people and with elections?
Can you tell us that?

They are a minority and probably have little voice at the polls;but look at how long it took the Mormons in America to have a voice. Many still don’t like them.

They definately do in Utah!

He didn’t go to Arlington because he probably already knew that the names of the buried soldiers were messed up and no one knows who is buried where. Pathetic. Remember all this about a month or so ago?

what if it burns to the ground? do they still win?

Raggs,

NYC is the present capitol of the world (The United Nations). The Mosque also shows the World soon coming under Islamic LAW …

Time to convert ?

John E
I hate to shock you but a lot of people think the bible is a joke. And most of these folks aren’t Muslims.

Norm…Yep and the joke is on them. They just don’t know it yet.

Right on! Keep up the good fight and let’s take this country back! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai…..We can if we stay united and keep pressing forward. The only reason these socialists make posts on this blog is to try to divide and separate us. Get us all at odds so we lose site of our GOALS…..and that is to regain control of Wasington and ultimately restore our constitutional FREEDOMS.

Again, 100% agree! No retreat, no surrender! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You are right on, John E.

God tells us who the enemies are that are against Him and the Christians.

The Holy Bible is God’s Word; it is not a joke.
It is TRUTH.
Keep up the good work.

eddie47d….Why would he say anything? Open mouth, insert foot seems to be a common thread when it comes to King Obama. Not to smart is an understatement!

Palin Jumped in and a few other Republicans and Democrats. If the issue had stayed in NYC and was a local issue then of coarse everyone should have butted out. But they didn’t.

fast eddie, thought I would prove you wrong again and again. Please, you are an embarrassment to yourself with your continued drivel and substanceless comments. All you can do is make stupid comments. Go outside sometimes and smell the roses, not the fertilizer.

President Barack Obama on Friday forcefully endorsed building a mosque near ground zero, saying the country’s founding principles demanded no less.

“As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country,” Obama said, weighing in for the first time on a controversy that has riven New York City and the nation.

“That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances,” he said. “This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable.”

“President Obama is wrong,” said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. “It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero. While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque they are abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have suffered so much.”

Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/08/14/628507/obama-endorses-mosque.html#ixzz0x4n7YZ1x

Thanks Mr. Jefferson and Founding Fathers ! The USA is going the way of Lebanon. All in the name of the Constitution !!

Jeff; No “force”was stated by Obama and you know it. Both Obama and Peter King were right but from a different perspective. Obama never said a Mosque had to be built at this location only the right to do so.

Eddie, how about we have another beer submit on the patio? What’s imam going to have?

Warrior,
Wine and pork headcheese!!!

Would you care to cite sources on that, or is this just your left wing extremist opinion?

eddeeeeeeeeee
Facts watch it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w&feature=player_embedded

Dan; That video is good but little to do with the right to build the Mosque or not.

But all jihadists are Muslim

Norm
Facts not fiction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w&feature=player_embedded

I am and I still say AMEN!

Christin

We could have some of those kind of representatives if they had not had the time to become corrupt. My belief is when you keep someone in a powerful position to long a time they become corrupt simply by the nature of their jobs and their power ! They are exposed too, to much money, too much power and have way too much time to perfect their coruptness. They don’t start out corrupt for the most part but the continous exposure to the temptations eventually lead to a break down in the human nature and they reach out for the supposed gold ring ! Once they touch the gold ring they are hooked. That is the main reason why I am in favor of term limits for all political offices. We limit the office of president why not all the other offices also? That way any scoundral in office would be elimited at the end of their term. No more rolling old folks in, in wheele chairs and propping them up so they can be woke up and told to vote !

I also believe that there should be certain qualifications for each job and the men and women running for those jobs should have at least those qualifications and their entire background (their personal lives) should be open for all to see. There are some mistakes in living that can be forgiven but there are some that can’t. No candidate should be allowed to seal up their records. That should be public information. If you don’t want it to be that way then you need not apply for the job. The integrety of this country and all the people in it is at stake, and these are our elected officials that we elect to represent us. When they make decissions to go to war or blockade another country it should be done knowing that every person in this country carries that burden durring the full length of such a campaign. People that work over seas and travel over seas for what ever reason, carry this burden with them and they will be treated accordingly whether it is good or bad. Our judges need to uphold the laws of this country and not make them. Congress needs to make the laws with deep commitment and concern for what is best for all in this country and what is best for this country itself. We need as parents, to instill in our children right and wrong and be very particular what they learn from their infancy to adulthood. Those that are faith based need to be much stronger in our faith teachings and make it a practice to go to church and pray with our families on a regular bases. Those that do not have a religous background need to practice the art of instilling in their children what is considered right from wrong and good from bad. As parents we need to realize that our children need parents all the time. As parents we should never strive to be our childs best friend! We need to be the parent with undieing love for that child. They have lots of friends all through their lives but they have only two parents. They need to be able to come to us with every problem and yet they should be able to learn from us so they don’t have so many problems. That is how we will develope the next generation of political leaders that will and can be respected. They have to have strong values. Strong enough to resist all the evil temptations of politics. They will never be perfect but they will sure be a lot better than what we have in office right now. we will see where the next Thomas Jefferson leads us and hopefully we won’t miss the next Thomas Jefferson because his mother decided to abort him or her ! Every life is worth giving the chance to live. All of us deserve the oportunity to be led by the next Thomas Jefferson.

Rev Wright’s church was not Muslim.

Bob….What is the major difference between Black Liberation theology and the Islamic faith? Both seem to spew hatred and violence against their fellow man. One spews hatred against the white folks and the other spews hatred towards the infidels. What is the difference? I’m just curious.

Obama’s parents and grandparents were all connected to the CIA.

Bob, you better have some good sources to back up that load of crap!

Great post…..thank you!

if only abortion was available to Obama’s mother,
or how bout Einstien’s mother, George Washington’s mother, Bill Gates’s mother… i could go on and on and on. i know this is evil thinking but how is it not evil thinking to destroy a life that has had no chance to be great

Number wise on genocidal murder, we’ve beat Hitler’s score.

I’m afraid you are right if you are talking about ABORTION ! That is really an eye-opener about abortion.

Earl those IDIOTS will never understand it. they are too STUPID to understand anything that makes a bit of sense,

So Jefferson explaining that the intent of the 1st was essentially to erect a wall separating church and gov, was taken out of context? Because that is what Jefferson was saying in the Danbury letter. Sounds like a good explanation to me. Walls work both ways. To keep in and keep out. That’s exactly what the first does. It keeps religion, and the stupidity it breeds, from being forced on us. And it keeps the gov out of religions business. Can’t have freedom OF religion, without having freedom FROM religion.

Craig,

Have you ever considered that Jefferson and the Founding Fathers were wrong on a few points ?

If they made a few mistakes along the way – I don’t know – I don’t think I’d be qualified to judge them in hindsight… I do think we were fortunate that they lived when they did, had the courage to persevere, do what they did and sure as heck would like to see them around today.

Earl is absolutely right…the purpose of separation of church and state was merely to keep the govt from favoring one Christian denomination over another…it is not meant to keep religion separate from public opinions…what would be the point of religion if you are to keep it to yourself…this is what the secular want to do..silence the voice of people of faith in order to impose their immoral values and corrupt ethics upon society without opposition.If you think secularism is’nt a religion think again..it is the religion of man and it seeks control over society that religion would never do.People are quick to say organized religions seek to control you..this is a secular lie..you are free to worship in your faith and free to sin if you choose..religion just warns of it’s consequence..but secularism enforces it’s rule of law or tenets upon you by writing them into prosecutional laws…hate crimes for example..you are no longer allowed to have an opinion even if it’s a wrong opinion nor can you say hateful things toward someone lest they get they’re feelings hurt…although hate and bigotry are wrong and condemned by religion they do not have any control over you to prevent such things..secularism on the other hand can…so where is freedom..it is with the followers of God..people who are ignorantly quick to yell separation of church and state should really look into what they are calling for..if religions are silenced and not allowed to oppose the laws of men…then chaos and evil will prevail and total control over your lives will be the norm…so be careful what you wish for.

BEAUTIMUS!

well said, ive always looked at it this way. the seperation of church and state is like the political parties, they have an opinian about something and then the people choose whats right. so in todays world if you get rid of the church completly by twisting the meaning of seperation then you get one step closer to only one side of the story.

John,

Is separation of church and state the same as the separation of God and state ?

The progressives have perverted the meaning of “separation of church and state” and love the lie that it now means. They are clinging on to it and anything else that “proves” to them that they don’t have acknowledge / believe in The Creator and aren’t doing anything wrong by denying the Truth about the Trinity. When they push out God (and don’t mention the name JESUS, the name above ALL names) and deny His very existence then they can be in control, almost like they are god and not think about Heaven and Hell.

Many will have a rude awakening when they die.

Separation of Churchand State was a statement made by Thomas Jefferson who was living in Europe and not even in America at the time. The men agreed that the affairs of the STATE should be kept out of the affairs of the CHURCH. They did not want a Imperialist King like in Europe dictating to the people how, when and why to worship. In fact the first Amendment states that gov shall NOT interfere with religion. And YET IT DOES constantly.

Bo is NOT a Christian, but a Black Liberation Theologist in America which is based on Godless Marxism. When he lived abroad he studied Islam.
BO yet again does NOT side with the Patriotic American citizens, but a foreign group who do not intend on PEACE.

Christin,

Everyone here is talking about “the Church” (and Jefferson made the same mistake !) as if it was SINGULAR. In Christian Theology we presently have churches .. a plural term . When the term “Church” is used in the singular it usually refers to the future “Bride of Christ” or “Body of Christ” as per the future Rapture. “Rapturos” is in the Latin Vulgate, that is where we get the world “Rapture” from.

Jesus addresses 7 churches (plural) in the Book of Revelations. Paul addresses quite a few churches in his Epistles.

Jefferson was probably referring to a specific church (Baptist). The Baptist, unlike other Protestants, have no roots or history in the Roman Catholic Church. As compared to Lutherans or Anglicans who broke off from the Roman Church ….

Please understand that the Baptist were persecuted by Catholics and Protestants throughout their history – specifically by Catholic and Protestant State Churches ……

Then you have the Protestant Churches that broke off from the Roman Church. The reason they broke fellowship with their Chrisitian brethren was over who had the ultimate theological authority. Specifically is the Apostle Paul’s authority over that of the Pope’s ? (as written in his epistle to the Romans). Also don’t forget the persecution of Catholics by Protestants ….

So the Plural form “churches” is more relevant .. I think Jefferson made a really big mistake when He used the singular form ….

Good God, you are clueless!

No kidding! Liberal drone, almost robotic, parroting those tired old talking points.

What was it I stated that was in error? Read the posts on this thread alone. Not one positive comment, all derogatory, and not one progressing this Nation … unless you want to count the wacked out ideas of radical and unrealistic change which will never occur.

Go ahead…not one positive or possible suggestion. Nothing but fear, hate, or unrealistic idealism which will never happen but sounds good 9until applied to reality).

Talk about clueless…

hflashman… You are in a minority if you do not feel personally violated by the proposal of having a mosque built so close to ground zero. This is not a positive thing. It is a monument to what happened there, and it isn’t to remember those who were murdered. If you cannot feel outrage to this, then you have bought the whole deal, hook, line, and sinker. They are using our own laws against us. They are not tolerant of other religions. Barry coming out in favor of this mosque has really shown his true colors. And you can see they are not red, white, and blue!

Robin: “Barry” did the right thing in saying what he did on the rights of the property owners. I think history will prove that point right.I personally would like to see the Mosque moved to another part of NYC (even a few blocks away). Obama is also right in standing up for religious freedom but the anger runs deep on this issue. Many people of different faiths died on 9/11 but if Christians feel offended then plan to build a bigger Christian Church accross the street from this community center. Be prepared to come up with a better solution. Build a Christian Memorial nearby so yor voice will be heard. Don’t take this analogy the wrong way but when Walmart moves into a community allot of people are not happy. Small businesses can’t compete with this mega store and have to close or relocate. Soon afterwards the Walmart parking lot is full and people move on with their lives. Maybe Target will build in the area and build an even bigger store than Walmarts’. I think the protests against the Mosque are great for it sends a message that we are all watching and paying attention to what their(Muslims) intentions are. This community center being 2 blocks away will also be a constant reminder to the Muslims who go there. They will always have to reflect on how a few in their faith did so much damage and never to let it happen again.

hflasman…

Let’s see where I should begin:

Your statement: No doubt this post will receive plaudits from some. Basically those who will gloss over the years of Bush and his leadership, or lack thereof, through fear, division, graft, corruption lies and manipulation.

My Response: Bush is no longer in Office. By the way, I typed this response real slow for you. I don’t speak for everyone on this site for but I assure YOU that WE will leave the lies and manipulation to you and your Marxist friends. That is what you do best, isn’t it? Your problem now is, WE DON’T CARE ABOUT YOUR LIES!

Your Statement: These same people who scream about private property rights and state takeover…and slam Pres. Obama for taking a stand for religious freedom and private property rights.

My response: Where you have gone VERY wrong here is assuming that the Islamic faith is a RELIGION. It is a political ideology just like your beloved marxism. Both of which end up with MILLIONS of PEOPLE DEAD!!!! In the same way, the islamic ideology is very similar to Black Liberation theology(Mr. Obamas Teachings). One spews hatred and violence towards the white man and the other spews hatred and violence against infidels. Now explain the difference for us less intelligent folks, and while your at it, how about expalining HOW Islamic Law relates to our LAWS and consitution. They would seem to be mutually exclusive. I’m waiting all omnipotent one.

Your statement: These same people who will sing the mantra about strict abidence to the Constitution, but are in the forefront to do away with the parts which they don’t like (14th, 21st, 17th, 1st, 4th).
My response: My brain cannot work at this level of stupidity so I have no response to this….Oh’Boy

Your Statement: The same people who will slam folks for daring to take another term of unemployment benefits, but yet seek out little known quirks to grab money from the government.

My response: Is this a confession? We work and we don’t take from others hard earned money. We are self-reliant and self-sufficient and are totally capable of dealing with life without a MAJOR GOVERNMENT intervention. GROW UP!!!!!

Your Statement: Who cry about government spending too much…but criticize school conditions, roads with potholes, etc.

My repsonse: Yep! We criticize our Governments because THEY DO NOT WORK!!!!!!!!! They are grossly inefficient resulting in a MOUNTAIN of debt that will be dumped on our children and grandchildren! Thanks to YOU progressives(UNION THUGS, ETC) we now pay 10 times what we should have to pay and get 1/10th of a return for those payments. I guess it doesn;t bother you that we justed bailed out GM’s UNIONS!!!! Do you want me to name a few FAILED government agencies for you? Do you think that paying them 54.8% more than WE make in the private sector is not enough to get a little better performance? You think!

Your statement: These same who would ask for religious tolerance to the extent of establishment of a theocracy, but warn of letting any other religion getting equal treatment to their god.

My response: We have never had this issue until ISLAM arrived in America, now have we? Seems to me that most all of the major denominations in this country tolerate each other without violence, don’t they? That is because OUR religion does not teach MURDER and ISLAM DOES!!!!!! That is why they have been killing each other for 1,000′s of years!!!!!

Your statement: Who demand freedom and excercising their rights…but want a fence built around this country to keep otehrs out and have no qualms about having ID papers proving citizenship. Who will eat their lettuce salads, criticize ‘illegal workers’ and yet let the true criminals..the employers…walk unhindered with high scoial status.

My response: What is it that you people don’t understand about ILLEGAL? Yep, we want to understand WHO is in our country and what are they doing here. Sure do and yep we want his ILLEGAL INVASION OF OUR LANDS STOPPED!!! I’m just curious and it always seems to me that you libs want to talk about all these OTHER crimes when this issue comes up. Why is that? Future votes maybe?? Maybe someday one of those ILLEGALS can offer you a good paying job since you seem to have so much anger towards our FREE MARKET business folks.

Your statement: They’ll moan and wail about loss of jobs, of manufacturing, of the US falling behind the rest of the world…yet fight tooth and nail against any modernization of our energy, infrastructure, small businesses.

My response: Do you actually think that we are DUMB enough to buy into your GLOBAL warming and CAP AND TRADE schemes? Our PUBLIC SCHOOLs CAN’T EVEN MAKE US THAT stupid. Just what does Washington have to do with SMALL BUSINESS other than TAX THE Hexx out of them? Just get out of the WAY you progressive dummie and let us do our thing….CHILDREN! We know you aren’t smart enough to run a business so would you pease just shut up and sit down and let us show you how it is done.

Your statement: Who rant against the government aiding and saving thousands of jobs by lending American business money…and will not say a peep when it returns a positive investment back.

My Response: Show me the money and the returns!! I have requested this information from several congressmen. Show me, they haven;t been able to so why don’t YOU educate us! GIve me YOUR cost benefits and savings analysis if you even understand what that is. While you are at it, let’s see the ROI on TRILLIONS of dollars thrown down your socailist sewer!

Your statement: These same people demand divisiveness and cheer on the party of ‘no’…even as they drive this Nation into chaos and impede any policy which promises action and help to solve the disaster left by Bush. In essence, the stoppage of progress for our Nation.

My response: Again, If we don’t agree with you, then we are just being to divisive. Are you over 6 to 9 years aged??

Yeah … uh huh … <—— This is self-explaintory folks KIDS!

Your statement: So, what’s the difference between the goals of the above…and that of the terrorist? Basically they are the same. The destruction of our Nation as we know it.

My response: Open mouth, insert foot. Thank you for making my case. We all clearly understand who you AMERICAN HATING people are and thank you for labeling yourself exactly as to who you are!

Your statement: Ya proud?

My repsonse: Ask yourself that question all omnipotent one who speaks alot but says very little.

T LUBO: I think we’ll stick with hfashman’s comments since yours were to scatter shot. Most people come to America for some type of religious freedom but we are not always a tolerant nation.(but one of the better ones). Last weekend a couple of angry Christians went into a mosque in Maine during a service and threw a bloody pigs head into the congregation. I know some will think that is hilarious and only an isolated incident.Remember the killings at the Unitarian Church in Knoxville Tn.a few years ago. How about those fire bombings of 3 Synagogues within 45 min. That was in Sacramento in 1992.Maybe the bombings of black churches in the 60′s. On this blog at least a handful of commentators have said all Mosques in America should be leveled and all 7 million Muslims should be forced out. Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association said all new building of Mosques should be outlawed. The Christian Dove Outreach Center renamed 9/11 as the international “burn a Koran day”. There was a Mosque bombing in Florida on this Tuesday. Many early immigrants came from England to get away from the Church of England. They were strict on societies behavior and didn’t tolerate outside religions. They could be quit cruel at times. So was the Church of Spain. Every nation that allows the church to run the government ends up being cruel and intolerant. I personally believe that Christians are a much more tolerant religion than the Muslim faith in general. If they are an American citizen they should be given the benefit of the doubt and be allowed to worship as they please. That also means no Sharia law if it interferes with our laws.

T Eddie47D…..You may be that foolish, I am not. You better study the Islamic “faith” very carefully before you endorse it. Maybe study up a little on the Middle-east or read the Bible before you make DUMB statements. ISLAM is the Government, like Marxism, so your argument of religous tolerance is mutually exlusive. Don’t you get that?

How does MURDER that is acceptable in the islamic “faith” work for you? Are you an INFIDEL? If you are, then I would be worried my friend.

Are you Islamic? Just curious?

T eddie47d….. By the way, who is we???

T eddie47D and the FLASH…. I am waiting little boys!

Eddie
remember facts here is one that you need to see!while there check out oboma confesses that he is a mulim really check it out and I would like to hear from you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w&feature=player_embedded

Lubo; Not all of us follow your hateful tirades. Some people consider the Christian faith a cult so I won’t fall into your trap. The Muslim faith has been considered a religion for centuries. So are you the wise one out to change the history books? You can debate the merits of the Muslim faith or tell us how evil they are and that is your privilege. Some of their laws are atrocious and certainly need to be changed. We could debate the Crusades and how evil the Christians were to the Muslims and visa versa but I doubt if that would solve many problems.I believe in Americas’ greatness and strongly believe that the majority of all our citizens from the very beginning came here to get away from something else that was sinister. Whether it was war,religious persecution,poverty or maybe a dictatorship. Very few come to America to do harm and should be treated accordingly. All are innocent until proven guilty and then the laws should be severe.

Warrior
check out the site on you tube about obumer
and you didnt answer my question about your batteries how many amp hrs and how much!

dan az, since you are so concerned about Islam, maybe you should read this about fox news. http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/08/17/hey-fox-fans-your-favorite-network-is-part-owned-by-a-saudi-prince-whose-family-rules-by-sharia-law/

You always say the same thing. Both parties are 2 sides of the same coin. Name one thing the government has stuck it’s fingers in that actually fixed ANYTHING. Everything they do today is to keep us fighting each other. They don’t want unity, they want hate. United we stand, divided we fail!

Obama has escalated the war in Afghanistan. Where are the anti-war protesters now, of which you were probably one? Are only Democrats permitted to war monger and profit from our military’s blood and the blood of Middle east brown people?

right on soldier if you noticed they also stoped doing their dayly body count that was done when bush was president and i dont see harry reid saying the surge wont work or the war is lost. they are nothing but traitors.

I was against the invasionof Iraq from the very beginning…anyone with half a brain could see we were being set up by Bush and his gang of theives. As to Afghanistan, I’m on record criticizing Bush for not doing anything but let it fester and giving the Taliban room to regroup.

Don’t even dare to try and wrap yourself in the mantle of the flag Sparkey….not unloess you want to do somethig to forward this Nation, not destroy any effort at progressing back to the leadership we enjoyed pre Bush

H, while you’re busy crowing about being ‘on record’ for or against this or that, you might try to get it through that thick head of yours that you’re also ‘on record’ as a two-legged lemming who finds it all but impossible to stick to a topic. I don’t mind going ‘on record’ and admitting that you are consistently shallow.
If it wasn’t for the fact that you and your lemming chummies get paid to use a variety of ‘names’ to parrot the same bilge, we couldn’t tell one of you mental giants from the other. You’re good at plagiarizing each other, but it’s far from being a productive, constructive skill, bubba.

hflashman you ever think about being a stand up comic,well don,t you will starve you an,t funny and your memory an,t real good,i know you will try to correct me ,but was it not congress that declaired war,you forgot sadam [gassed]murdered over 200,000 of his own people then attacked kuwait after he was kicked out out of kuwait, was he not ordered by the un [not bush]to disarm or be disarmed,you need to get of the drugs your on, and get a new tv that old one is stuck in the past who you going to blame in 2011 and 2012 after the party of KNOW kicks all your liberal idols [reid pelosie rangles waters O.B.A.M.A boxer]out of office,the party of know i speak of is the american people but like you 100% of the liberal,s will still be blaming bush

Marvin: You are the one living in the past with all your saber rattling. Stop leading the calvary charge into oblivion on so many useless wars.

I don’t understand why it takes 100,000 troops to protect the poppy fields.

hflashman, I really hope that you live right next door to where this “place of peace” is to be built. ‘Cause when those loudspeakers go off at 6 in the morning for the first of 5 times a day your butt is going to jump out of bed.
Look up Hamtramch, Michigan. Same thing is happening in Dearborn.
When do you wake up? After the “Trojan Horse” has emptied out and you see a sabre coming at your neck?!!!! To late then to say Oh shit, I was wrong!
Everyone talks about not all believers of Islam being bad. Maybe so but could you tell me what ones are good and what ones are bad? I don’t think so because even our own government and all it’s intellignet agencies apparently can’t tell otherwise we wouldn’t have all these nut cases that have citizenship, green cards, that are slipping away from training grounds on military bases or are attending our colleges attempting bombings on planes, in Times Square and/or being picked up for plotting to do destruction.
Oh, sure – I know – that was only two or three incidents. What’s the loss of a major area and American lives if we can maintain being politically correct?!
If our arguments and reasons for getting these people out of here are so out of tune to you why don’t you try living ion a country where the rest think as you do. Good ridance!

hf,
WOW, you were smart enough to see Iraq was wrong but your party leaders weren’t? Dam you sure are one fart smeller. (Dam that dyslexia)P-lousy,dingy harry, bawney fwanks and all the other dems were FOR the war, Bubba!!!! Even klintoon was for it, Dingus!!!

None of these things would have happened if Clinton would have had the balls to take out Osama when he had the chance (3 times there guy).

Anti-war protestors are mostly a thing of the past> Americans now have the internet just like you are doing right now.Everyone on this site is protesting.It’s just a different way of doing things.

What is written on this site isn’t getting to the people you should be telling, your representatives.

Bob is correct, except if Pelosi is looking for conspirators. Call the congress person’s office. You will experience the feeling you might have when your Junior Varsity High School team has to play for the Varsity.Not a clue in DC. They are using the VISA Card to pay the mastercard bill. I can’t stand it .

eddie47d

YUP ! And Bob I also call my reps. all the time and e-mail them!
For all the good it does !!!!

They’re really using the constitution to their advantage on this one. this site is sacred ground and should be treated as such. so is this the Muslim conquest, the final slap in the face to the American people that lost their loved ones. Obama uses the constitution to his advantage.

And if he really cared about the constitution, he would protect and close our borders from the foreign hoards. it seems instead he’s trying to instigate the people.

Al, the day the prez has plans for honoring the Constitution will be the day when he stops being overly concerned about the UNconstitutional “RIGHTS” of illegals, radical Muslims and all manner of scum who do their best to honor Hitler and his ideas.
Obama enjoys the robotic, unquestioning, blind support of his back-stabbing, vermin ‘friends’ because his methods are taken straight out of Mein Kampf. Like Hitler, like Obama, like a NYC mosque in the vicinity of Ground Zero.
Cookie cutter insanity is a polite way to look at it, Al. Lemmings and blind mice make more sense than Herr Obummer, his ‘friends,’ and all of his jock strap supporters.

You got that right Al. It was old man Bush who started the influx of Muslims after the first Gulf Slaughter.

SC; Your the blind rat. Don’t be connecting your Nazi rants with liberals and progressives.We don’t believe in that animal you pathetic curse. Your a minion of mis-information.

BO HATES the Constitution.
He only USES it when it WORKS for HIM.
He has stated that it is a list of DON’Ts…
Yes, DON’T SOCIALIZE OUR COUNTRY idiot.
He hates the “Limited Powers” that it gives the Executive Branch.
But, hey, he just does what he wants Constitution or Not.

Likewise, the Congress and the Judicial Branches are simuliarly IGNORING the American Constitution as well and doing as they darn well please.

Hey Al
Only one more day left keep your ears open!

Sacred ground to whom? Christians? Muslims? Hindu’s? Jews?

What exactly is sacred about a piece of property not even in sight of Ground Zero? And it is private proeprty…so you are on record the government can now change the rules of private property on a whim? Would you be upset if the state took the property by eminent domain? For what reason and should it also then buy ALL private property around Ground Zero…..and for how amny blocks?

H, since no one has offered suggestions for ‘other’ construction sites, I’d like to propose that our Muslims “friends’ consider Alcatraz, Ellis Island or maybe even Fire Island. Some might consider Ellis Island not such a good place to build a mosque, as Ellis Island stands for the good old days when Uncle Scam had standards for immigrants.
As for Alcatraz or Fire Island, either a former prison site or a place with Fire Island’s past would seem appropriate. That way, there would be no talk of ‘sacred ground.’ Just a thought, since you’re daring to going through the motions of pretending to give a damn – again.

hf,
Ever heard the term iminant domain??? the government from federal on down to local city government disregard the rules of privat property ownership every day!!! don’t be a schmuck!!!

hflashman
A motor from one of the 9/11 planes went through the roof of that building so that is how it is connected with ground zero.

Are you kidding? OBAMA IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!! He cares nothing about the Constitution!

It’s hard to know where to start, you’re so wrong-headed.

First, most of us don’t gloss over Bush, particularly when it comes to domestic policy which was inept at best but not venal like that of the current regime.

Second, what do any of those amendments (except the first) have to do with the issue? As for the First Amendment, the NYC commissioners would have been perfectly within their right to say that this is an inappropriate use of the property.

Third, only morons believe that government and more spending leads to prosperity and a better life. DC has the highest teachers’ salaries in the nation and the worst results. That’s just one example. And government isn’t going to create more real (not government) jobs. Never has, never will. They can destroy jobs through confiscatory taxation, however.

Fourth, the question of illegal immigrants (invaders) is once again off topic.

Fifth, the destruction of our nation as we know it is engineered by the Democrat-Socialist/Marxists currently wielding power. Their aim is total subjugation of the populace and another Thousand Year Reich (yes, the Nazis were socialists for your less than informed mind).

Progress will start on Jan 3 when the new Congress is sworn in and they can put a hold on the runaway spending of the current regime and stymie its purposefully destructive aims.

FlaJim. all I have to say is AMEN AMEN,

William and Flajim; Every country in the world has Socialism in their governments,including the USA. Your Nazi comparisons are sick and belittling to all who suffered under the horrors of Hitler.

ditto

Well said Jim.

Hey Flash (in the pan?) How are employers the bad guys? they are just trying to run a business the most economical way possible. The marketplace determines the wage levels, etc., not laws. That’s why the Mexicans come across the border, because they get the jobs! Is it right? of course not! The governments Job is to keep them out, but they have their own agenda, since they and their minion are corrupt. SOME bigger business are indeed corrupt, to be sure, but you can’t paint all business with a broad brush. Want to blame someone? Blame Wal-mart (megalomart, anyone?)While your at it, check out Agenda 21 (Google it!) Many surprises down the road, and the left’s ox is gonna get gored along with the right’s.

Our economy ran fine after WW2 until the corps got greedy. Men supported their families and the mothers stayed home to take care of the house and kids.

flashman why dont you peddle your bull shit some where else

ok so blame Bush again no problem, but that is a tired old song. Please note Obama got in because we recognized Bush did not have it right, but Obama,,, you must be terribly sad at how he has not lived up to your expectations. Lets face it with Bush at least he courted the people, Obama is just raping us and I hope the people of this country realize that we need a new party that is not global in nature and wants this country to survive as land of the free and home of the brave. Right now both parties are steering us towards globalization and no one is putting on the brakes. Folks this has got to stop. Get involved, study the candidates and put the people in power that have your best interest at heart-not the worlds. I could say trust God, but then you would say well here we go again. Ask Europe what it is like when God is taken out of their lives. People that did not get involved. The birth rate in most European countries of the “original” peoples is less than 1.8, the birth rate of your basic Islamic model is 8.1 . Muslims do not believe in abortion, but they strongly support those who do-ever wondered why-less infidels to deal with. Ok I am rambling so I will quit, but hey peoples get involved if you want to remain free-the “somebody elses” are not who you think they are.

Marlene MLT; Bush courted the people? When did that happen? Muslims support those who support abortions? Get a grip!!

Oh, yes, Mr. Obama takes a stand for any radical religion that’s not Christian. No one can convince me that Jeremiah Wright is a Christian preacher (his religion of choice is Black Liberation Theology hidden within a Christian church). How about Obama take a stand for the nice CHRISTIAN Greek Orthodox church that was destroyed on 9/11? That poor church is being made to jump through multiple hoops and STILL cannot get permission to rebuild.

Your comments about a previous president who happens to be a class act who actually loves this country are really getting boring in their complete assinine ignorance. When will you get a clue that the talking points do not work?

Dagney
What is this about a Greek Orthadox church that can’t get permission to rebuild after 9/11? I haven’t heard anything about that. What is it all about?

Neocons = hypocracy. They scream for “freedom” and try to twist the constitution to fit their desires and wants.
I think building a mosque on this site would be a disgrace and humilation, and would be counterproductive to the Muslims. Is it legal? I’m afraid so. Read the constitution.

EXACTLY!!
The sponsors know it’s counter productive…
Ergo… IT’S NOT ABOUT OUTREACH, EDUCATION, CROSS-DENOMINATIONAL UNITY, or all the other PAP they claim this LOCATION will evoke!!

The gov’t is letting them build it there to keep people fighting and keep their minds off of the real problems we face.

The building of the Mosque at this specific place is to take over! ….That’s their policy to lie and deceive when convenient! History speaks for itself! There is nothing us, infidel, will benefit from it.
They will take over, one step at a time – if we let it – but since it’s in the plan of the president – only God can put a stop to it!

Yafah1
I hate to say this but I fear you are right ! I hate to do this but I am going to have to spend a little more time checking out the Qur’an. I hate to read that book but I sure need to know what I’m thinking and feeling and talking about.

Are You An American ???? Or Are You An Illegal Alien ?? Have You No Pride In This Country ?? The Amendments You Spoke Of Are Just That !
Amendments ! And Those Can Be Changed !! Read Up On The Meaning Of The Terms You Use, “to Amend” Means To Change Something, Now Have You Ever Heard The Term Divide & Conquer ???? Go Ahead & Help Them Do Just That !!!!!!!!!

Yes Flashman we need to vote out Bush. Let us have a special election to vote in Bush’s replacement. I don’t see why jobs are not plentiful as the us government of Obama owns GM and Chrysler. He should offer the unemployed a Job at his many plants.
The problem with Muslim is it is not a religion it is a way of life. They are required to follow not the earlier writings but the newest. So they believe all must die that are not Muslim. Putting the mosque in this area is just a slap in the face to right, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Why not just build statues to the fallen Muslim terrorist.
The Muslims always build mosques in areas where they have had victory.
You haven’t said if you work for Obama or the Democrat party or are just on government entitlements.
Just like you, Bush had never did anything right! Lets vote him out of office

Cribster and Warrior are the clueless ones on everything you said. They must drink cheap liquor along with their cheap comments.

hflashman…..”So shall it be written! So shall it be done!”

Let’s all of us GOD LOVING-COUNRTY LOVING” AMERICANS write down hflashman’s words of wisdom. It’s got to be true! LOL!!!!

I’m not sure if it is your THC consumption or what, but CLOWN, is the only description at this present moment, that I can come up with, that would fit you.

hflashman…..I’m just curious but I know I have read “your” comments somewhere within the past six months but I just cannot place it. The sentence structures within this text seem different to me as compared to the majority of your previous posts.

Did you cut and past this out of a progressive-marcist newspaper or something? I just know I have read this somewhere before? Maybe Soros or Moore.

Well anyway, I just can’t place it right now but it will come to me. You want to go ahead and fess up now or wait a little while?

All those words and ya start with Bush___Ya just can’t find anything else intelligent to say, huh?___B-o-r-i-n-g!!!

Angel Wannabe_ That post was for flashman

HF- Bush, baaaaa! Iraq, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Can you sheeple come up with some new material?

What an intelligent post ! Hflashman – brilliant! And I’m not being sarcastic this time.

I’m referring to the post hflashman made on August 19, 2010 at 9:14 am . Scroll up and read it about voter hypocrisy…..

William, I concur.

William

God Bless You and A-Men

You are a lib crack smoking, kool aid drinking, commie, marxist, closet gay, traitor, coward, unpatriotic, basement living ignorant fool who takes pride in trying to keep this country weak and defenseless. You also don’t mind Obama bin Laden trying his best to destroy this country and the Constitution, for what? Handouts? Islam and their false god? Liberalism? Gays? I really think that if you have a family, you should really reflect on where you stand with the issues and reeducated yourself. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Yafah1,
Yup and the rotten fish in this case is spelled NOBAMA!!!

The President went to the Graves of our Soldiers in Chicago because he wants to win votes – so – for politics reasons – I see former President Bush welcoming Soldiers coming back from Iraq in TX. Where is O.?
Certainly out on vacation or playing golf right?
While Americans cannot pay their rent because they have no income – Pelosi is spending out money on fancy apt. and airplanes. Obama’s wife is freely spending money on her vacation taking with her her friends – guards etc ….
The Mosque will be to control New York – is it for peace ?? give me a break – when, if ever, will us, infidel, every be welcome to enter their “gym” We have enough Mosque in the US.
I tell you what, for every Mosque in the US, let’s plant a church in their main cities! Let’s see how it’s going to work !!!!
O. will always support his brothers! This, until God puts a stop to it!

everybody need to view this you tube link, it answers some questions but opens more. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w&feature=player_embedded

Brad, excellant explanations. Thanks!

Brad
that is a real eye opener did you go down a couple to see oboma confess that he is a muslim and what he has been saying and doing?no doctored clips there its mind blowing.

Dan; I saw 3 clips and one was 9 mins. long and that one was edited throughout. The other 2 never said he was a Muslim even though it was trying to imply that.