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Lower Manhattan Mosque Developer Rejects Offer Of Relocation

August 17, 2010 by  

Lower Manhattan mosque developer rejects offer of relocation The controversy surrounding the proposed Islamic center in lower Manhattan seems to continue, as the developers rejected an offer to relocate the project.

In order to defuse the growing tensions between supporters and opponents of the construction, New York Governor David Paterson proposed an alternate site that would be provided by the city. However the developer, Soho Properties, declined, according to CNN.

“We have a tremendous amount of respect for our governor, and we are always interested in hearing what our leaders have to say, and what their ideas and proposals are,” said Soho Properties’ Sharif El-Gamal, quoted by the news provider.

However, he added that “this has always been about serving Lower Manhattan."

The Cordoba Initiative, which is sponsoring the $100 million center that would house a mosque, gym, performing arts center and a swimming pool just blocks from the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, says the project is meant as an outreach to the Muslim community. However, opponents—including some families of the 9/11 victims—claim it is insensitive and offensive.ADNFCR-1961-ID-19924672-ADNFCR

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  • http://google mike b.

    Maybe holder and Hussein Obama will hope thier fellow muslims will build a mosk there and at the same time hold a black panthers rally and the trial of KSM inside the bumslims mosk

  • Joe R.

    Those Islamic jerks should never been given the go ahead to build a mosque so near ground zero. Is an insult to all of those who died as a result of a terror attack by Islamic terrorists. Do not forget them blocking the roads in the Big Apple any time they want to. Forget Christians doing the same thing, they would be put in jail in a heartbeat but not those who hate our country and way of life. I do not care what BO lying and saying that we are not a Christion nation. We are and have always been a Christian nation. Joe

    • 45caliber

      Joe:
      The politicians there agreed when they saw that the mosque was to draw pilgrims from other countries to view the victory site of their “warriors”. To them that is money.

  • Yvan

    Ragg
    Go look at SUNNI PATH the Online Islamic Academy – If you want to know what brain washing is all about.

  • Raggs

    I hope you people realize that this is all about gaining votes for the democRAT’S through the muslim community just like amnesty is for the illegals and voter indimidation from the “new” black panthers.

    I still believe this mosque will be dedicated to obama.

  • Yvan

    The Swede has found a way to avoid Muslim building more mosques on their Territory. At night they secretly burry dead pigs on the propose mosque location. A mosque will not be built on ground soil by pigs. But one has to make sure that it is publicise.If the contractor has the gut to precede anyway and they find out; they will cut his head off. Notice to NY.

    • Raggs

      Is that true????

    • s c

      Yvan, if it’s that simple, then there have to be some upstanding union folks in New York who will do the right thing, and promptly bury some pigs on that site. After all, buried pigs on a construction site won’t offend family members or friends of those who died on 9/11. If Muslims can’t understand why people are so offended by their choice of a construction site, then by all means let them build their mosque there – after the pigs have been deposited, that is.
      Tolerance works BOTH ways, right?

      • 45caliber

        They have ways to purify the land regardless of what was on it. Just as Christians do.

        You can bet that the Crusaders were more than willing to contaminate any mosque they might have captured.

  • thinking about

    It is the attitudes of Ricky Green indicating radical bearer of arms which is no different than the radical muslim in killing others. If you stop the religious comminity center not a mosque from being built anywhere, then the same changes can come to the right to bear arms. Now if you think you would rather lose your right to bear arms, then the rights will just go down the drain. You do not want this to happen.

    • bobk90

      Building a Mosque and the “Right to Bear Arms” are not same! Though there are some very strict gun laws on the book, using your train of thought, we should be able to Ban the Building of Mosques in America just like the Fully Automatic Weapons are Outlawed; they are not available because of the “POTENTIAL” Mass Killing that the Machine-Guns can do! Likewise, a Mosque has the “POTENTIAL” of Mass Killings by FUELING ISLAMIC JIHAD (rather than Lock & Load) and the damage they can do! So you see, if we can BAN the SALE of Fully Automatic Weapons in the USA, which actually Conflicts the 2nd Amendment, then we SHOULD be able to BAN Mosques professing ISLAMIC LAW, which actually Conflicts with our WAY of LIFE!!
      P.S.
      ISLAMIC Community Centers are the Direct Opposite of Hitlers “Shower/Gas Chambers” where Muslims go in for “Worship” but come out “Jihadist” ready to KILL!!!!!!

    • http://YAHOO.COM Ricky Green

      Thinking about,you sure take a cowardly stand on anything concerning this muslim atrocity,then they will eat you for lunch.Their sole purpose is to infiltrate and destroy internally any hope we have by false diplomacy and so called peacefull religion.What in the hell do you think they are shooting at our troops right now?It aint slingshots.As an ex 101st airborne air assault trained soldier ,The best counter attacks are sudden and swift.Oh they want my guns HUH? Well wake up they can pry them from my cold dead fingers.And if everyone that is a true american that would get off their namby pamby buttocks and take this stand even into the streets then we can show we are not the fat lazy pigs the muslims call us.And do you really think the army would fire on us for taking the stand they are taking right now overseas ?POPPYCOCK.Brothers in arms have a code of honor that only muslims like that one in ft.hood would break.So yeah I got a set and sure wish they were a lot more like me and PATHFINDER.

      • 45caliber

        Airborne, huh? ALL THE WAY!

    • 45caliber

      Where on earth did you get the idea this is not a mosque? Even the Islam people say it is a mosque!! Quit trying to confuse the issue.

  • Pathfinder

    Here is a great idea. Rather than build any new mosques anywhere on American soil; let us ban all mosques and start burning them down. When Islamic countries allow the building of churches and synogogues on their soil, only then should we begin to consider allowing mosques anywhere on ours.

    • 45caliber

      I like it myself. But I can’t see it working. The real problem is that I can’t see anything except world war in any real direction over this problem.

    • eddie47d

      Hey sick puppy Pathfinder: In 1992 3 Synagogues were burned down within 45 minutes in Sacramento and it wasn’t by Muslims. You are a hateful person to even suggest such an act of violence against any religious institution. You just gave the Libertarians another black eye.

  • http://google mike b.

    “HOPE AND CHANGE’

  • http://YAHOO.COM Ricky Green

    FOLKS IT IS TIME TO LOCK AND LOAD.

  • TIME

    Islam is a sickness its a CULT of Pigs, its rotten & foul to the core of its very nature. Do some basic research and understand its always changing, sound like something you may have heard before? Thinking -Progressive Change, WOW ~ perhaps the Cult of sickness should be looked at with less of the Western view and look at the Cult of sickness from its core to better understand it.

    Is Islam so peacefull when it stones a woman for just asking a question?

    Is Islam so peacefull when it condems one to death with no trial?

    Is Islam so peacefull when it beheads a person just due to their not being a Muslim?

    Is Islam so peacefull when one understand that they hate themselfs more than they hate YOU for not being a Muslim?

    Is Islam so peacefull when a woman should not have any education? Nor rights?

    Is Islam so peacefull when a woman can be beaten for saying not tonight dear? then have her stoned, I don’t mean smoking a joint.

    Is Islam so peacefull when you can’t eat foods that are not of the moment of the CULT?

    Is Islam so peacefull when it kills Gays for being alive?

    Is Islam so peacefull for killing someomne for having a beer or a glass of wine?

    Is Islam so peacefull for honor killings? As in killing your kids when someone accuses them of something, with out even looking in to it?

    Is Islam so peacefull when they feel all others are less than Dirt under their feet, YOU are UNPURE thus you should be killed?

    Is Islam so peacefull when they will lie as well cheet to further Islam? As in they have “ZERO MORAL” grounding.

    If you so feel that this CULT, thats what ISLAM is a CULT of Evil nothing less, so if you feel thats all within reason then you are 100% mentally ill.

    • Pathfinder

      TIME : I agree. Let us declare a new crusade to counter this jihad. This time we must do more than free the holy land. This time we must wipe Islam totally from the face of the earth. (In a spirit of true religious tolerance; jews, hindus, buddists, shinto, and even druids are welcome to join in ridding the earth of this vile evil. After that we can all tolerate one another and live in harmony. With no more jihads, we will no longer need any crusades. Attempts at PEACEFUL conversion WILL be tolerated.)

      • 45caliber

        I agree in principal – but wiping out any religion is very difficult. You can only supplant it with something better. While Christianity is better, they also know that too. So they kill immediately anyone that changes as an example to the rest – and they do it as nastily as they can. The ONLY way to do it would be to kill everyone down to babies. If they are old enough to understand a single word, they die. Then you raise what is left in another manner – which could still backfire on you later if they decide somehow that they were tricked.

        And I don’t want us to degenerate to the level of babykillers.

    • Norm

      Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war
      with the cross of Jesus going on before……
      Jim Jones and Korach were no saints.

    • eddie47d

      Time: You are correct in your assessments of their wicked laws and corrupted Koran so I will agree with you on that.Religions should help guide governments not control any government or it’s people. I will totally disagree with Pathfinder and his crusades to wipe the 1 billion Muslims off the face of the earth. He sounds like a mini-Hitler who thought wiping out certain”species” of humans would give Germany harmony.

  • JOHN

    if an alternative site is not acceptable , then it is not about the mosque , its about the location….It is a sign to the muslim world
    that they have conquered their enemy…It has been done true out history………………..NOT IN AMERICA

  • AmShegar

    F**k islam, How dare our leaders bring over false religion into our masonic country. This is why I do not vote or waste my time on jury duty. There are millions of muslims in Dearborn Michigan, and they (our educated Ivy LEAGUE LEADERS) want to build an igloo with a crescent moon on the top of it, they want amnesty for 30 million illegals( ALL F**KING RACES NOT JUST MEXICAN) IF YOU ARE ILLEGAL GET THE F**K OUT, ALL ADULTERS, PEDOPHILES, GANGBANGERS, AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT DISTRUPTS THE CIVIL COMMUNITY OF THE USA GET THE F**K OUT. I AM PRAYING THAT ONE DAY OUR MERCIFUL COMES BACK AND GETS RID OF ALL THE WORLD GREEDY, RICH PEOPLE, POLITICANS AND THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE OUR JUSTICE DEPT AND WORLD JUSTICE. I AM PRAYING THAT HE WILL SMITE THEM ALL,JUST LIKE HE PERFORMED IN THE BOOK OF ISAIAH. WE ARE TEMPORARY VISITORS ON TIAMAT. READ THE BOOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TIME IS NIGH

  • john doe

    Let them build it….and then level it. Show them what we think of their mosque built at ground Zero. We need to give them (this imam and the developer) a jhad they won’t forget. Everyone talks about our religious tolerance but no one is talking about their religious intolerance and how this mosque is just another part of that intolerance.

    • Pathfinder

      john doe : Not just that one. We need to start leveling all mosques in America. The entire world needs to be as intolerant of Isam; as Islam is intolerant of the rest of the world. The new crusade should unite christians, jews, hindus, buddists, shinto, jainism, druids, bahai, and a whole host of other faiths. (I am intolerant ONLY of Islam.) Carthego delenda est !!!

  • http://n/a CECIL DEBOARD

    THE ISSUE WITH ISLAM WAS SETTLED A LONG TIME AGO; ON THE SHORES
    OF TRIPOLI BY OUR U.S. MARINE CORPS. WE REFUSED TO PAY THOSE THUGS THEN;
    BUT WE HAVE GONE TO SLEEP; AND ARE LETTING THEM CREEP IN UNDER OUR
    NOSE.! EVERY MEMBER OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE SHOULD BE UP IN ARMS
    TO THROW ISLAM FROM OUR NATION; AND DRAG THAT INPOSTER OUT OF OUR
    WHITE HOUSE.!

    ISLAM IS WORSE THAN COMMUNISISM; OR ANY THING HITLER IMAGINED.!

    IN CHRIST
    CECIL DEBOARD

    • Pathfinder

      CECIL DEBOARD : Right on !! Brother, right on.

    • eddie47d

      Cecil DeBoard; Please refrain from using Christ’s name in doing harm to other people. You talk like a Moslem terrorist.

      • Brad

        Eduardo, you need to keep your clap trap shut, Cecil is a GOD fearing man, you my friend are just plain stupid and ignorant. Why do we even put up with you because we like putting you back in your place.

      • 45caliber

        eddie:
        Why are YOU trying to defend Christianity? Leave that to the Christians.

      • eddie47d

        I wouldn’t allow you to use Christ’s name in slaughtering people or to slander anyone either. You should follow Christ’s teaching or find one that is more suitable to your rants.

    • FAIR & BALANCED

      Cecil B. I’ve been reading your comments and totally agree with you. I’d like to add that impeachment won’t be strong enuf to remove “obummer” from office, it has to be TREASON, (which I read of RE another issue). TREASON would negate each & every bill, etc. which he signed. Someone out there has the ways and means w/lots of proof to get rid of this illegal muslim president (note lower case “p”) but you can bet whatever group that is probably hesitates due to the fear there is a “snake in the grass” organization out there (being paid $$$$ by “obummer”) which will rise up and snuff out anyone who utilizes the TREASON method to rid us of that black scumbag! I’m not a spring chicken & have always respected our president & Congress, but this is one instance where there is not one iota of respect – - – can’t stand the Kenyan nor his “left wing loonies” in the White House. We ALL KNOW “obummer”, Reid, Peloski, etc. have GOT to be driven out. So, let’s do whatever is possible, starting with lots and lots of praying. GOD BLESS AMERICA !!! Muslims go to your home in hell & bow to your leader, the DEVIL !

  • http://n/a CECIL DEBOARD

    NOT ONLY SHOULD THERE NOT BE ANY MOSK AT GROUND ZERO;
    ISLAM SHOOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO EXIST IN THE U S A;
    AND THIS IMPOSTER IN OUR WHITE HOUSE SHOULD BE ESCORTED OUT OF OUR NATI0N.! !

    WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING WITH PEOPLE THAT WILL LIE TO US; UNTIL
    THEY CAN GET A KNIFE TO OUR TROATS.

    ANY ORGANIZED ENTITY LIKE ISLAM; DETERMINED TO RULE THE WORLD;
    HAS NO RIGHT TO BE HERE ON OUR SOIL.!

    THEIR ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO MAKE US INTO A MUSLIM WORLD CONQUEST; AND
    TO KILL US OR MAKE US BECOME A MUSLIM.!

    I SAY GOD BLESS AMERICA; AND TO HELL WITH THOSE RAG HEAD TERRORISTS! !

    WAKE UP AMERICA AND SEE THE FULL INTENTIONS OF THESE DESERT RATS.!

    SINCERELY IN CHRIST

    CECIL DEBOARD
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    • http://YAHOO.COM Ricky Green

      Cecil when will the american people organize and recognize enough is enough?When will their jihad against us start?Well america get organized because it is already started ,And the leader unfortunantly it seems is in our own white house.I was proud that yes a black man did make president in our nation but turns out he is not a true black american to start with,He has no real proof of citizenship and his grandmother says he was born over there.They kill christians in africa that do not renounce christ and enslave others.So what do you think is down the road for us if we sit and do nothing?Yes CECIL lets tar and feather this imposter and any like him and put them on a slow boat back to their real homes.VIVA the REVOLUTION.

      • Pathfinder

        Ricky Green : I would be much happier if a REAL black American became president (for example Alan Keyes, or Walter Williams, or Thomas Sowell). I too think that armed rebellion may become necessary to correct our problems. However, there is a practical problem which must be considered. Unlike our founders, who faced one tyrant
        (George III) 3000 miles away; we face over 3000 tyrants only one mile away. The tyrants (Obama and millions of his supporters) are already here among us. Like the war of northern aggression (AKA the civil war) the socialists are already here among us. What plan have you so that we do not just throw our lives away in a fruitless gesture ? Mind you, unlike some cowardly individuals, I am willing to risk my own life, fortune and sacred honor. I do not need good odds of success. I simply need to see even a slim chance of success rather than a hopeless waste.

      • Raggs

        Paint all liberals / progressives YELLOW so we can tell them apart.

      • eddie47d

        Pathfinder; Northern aggression? Bull! -Ft. Sumter. Going after slave holders and arrogant aristocrats was a wise move. We didn’t need a divided nation which the South wanted. The South(Confederacy) will not rise again.

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        Eddie, go to the deep South and tell them that.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        (WIA),
        Only if he does it in person!!!!

    • Carole Howell

      You people are showing just how hate filled you false Christians are. Listen to you. Good little Nazis. Painting all Muslims with one broad brush. Muslims died there on that day also.

      • Brad

        Carole,

        Then prove it, I want to see the proof, don’t sit here and lambash us without the proof to back it up, you hack.

      • Jana

        Carole,
        Watch it, you are labeling yourself by your won words. You are showing what a good little Socialist you are.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Carole,
        We’re waiting!!!!

      • Jana

        Carole Howell,
        You are labeling YOURSELF by your own words. You are showing us what a good little Socialist you are.

  • Raggs

    I betcha someone else is behind the scene on this that has very close ties to obama….

    Does anyone else smell a RAT?????

    • Pathfinder

      Yeah, Raggs, I smell a democRAT !!

      • Raggs

        BRAVO!!! Pathfinder….

        You understood my meaning!!!!!

      • eddie47d

        P.F.; Bloomberg is a Republican so what are you smelling now?

      • s c

        Eduardo, you’re tap dancing in that progressive mine field once again. Bloomberg is a RINO. Specter was a ‘Democrat,’ became a RINO, and now he’s a ‘Democrat’ – again. McCain is a RINO who needs to be in your big tent.
        Political recognition isn’t one of your virtues. Then again, knowing the difference between whale crap and prime rib isn’t one of your skills, either.
        Please tell us you don’t get paid more than minimum wage to send feedback to this website, chum.

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        Do your homework Eddie 69d, he is an INDEPENDENT.

      • 45caliber

        Eddie:
        You can call yourself any affiliation you like – but your voting record tells which side of the aisle you are actually on. And his isn’t conservative at all. In fact, it’s worse that McCain’s record!

  • BABUSHSKA

    I am more than appalled by everyone’s lack of common sense thinking associated with this debacle! Yes, the government can stop this! The gov’t can file a court action to exercise eminent domain and appropriate the property to be designated for “public use”. Under eminent domain guidelines, the property must be used for public “safety, health, interest or convenience.” The city can build a school or municipal building, a public park, etc. We have options. What makes me so angry is that all of us who oppose what our gov’t is doing under the guise of “tolerance” are acting like the Jews who meekly walked into the gas chambers to their deaths. Today, they have vowed never, ever to subjugate themselves to an enemy without putting up a fight. And we must do the same. We must fight the muslims and their agenda to build this mosque with a tall, gleaming gold dome overlooking ground zero, as they laugh at us infidels whom they are trying to conquer!

    • Les

      Have conquered. It’s just a matter of time before we are just like Europe. Islam has no tolerance for anything other than Islam. They destroyed all the other religious icons in Afghanistan when they took over. Everyone needs to read the Koran, know you enemy and know yourself. This isn’t a religion, it is an insane vision brought on by an equally insane man. It isn’t called the Cordoba mosque for any other purpose but to rub Islam in your face. Just marking their conquested land.

      • 45caliber

        I agree. I believe that Mohammed was skitzo- He would tell how to handle something in one place and then tell the exact opposite somewhere else. About the ONLY think he kept straight was his hatred for Jews. For instance, in one place he says that a man should honor his wife(s). In another, he says that the man has total diminion over his wife and should beat her. You can’t do both. That is why there are so many problems and differences in the Islamic religion. It depends upon how the local clerics interprut some things by ignoring othes.

    • jay

      you are talking about common logic to people who exercise that. But I want to remind you that muslims are brain washed and they have no common logic. I am formaly one of them and rooted from them.. but overall they have no reason as you speak. they criminals. You wonder why I am talking about this? they are taking advantage of western naivety of democracy and they know for sure that themselves that if you go to middles east or north africa pr south asia, you can not build a local church any where if they don’t want too. They no only stone you but you can be burned alive. It seems like you have no idea what you are talking about. Why don’t you go to their original country and have an idea and after come back and write these nosens. TWe all know that they train terrorist right here in american mosques on american soil, and we know their imams preaches hatred and no of these so called moderates muslim stand against it publicaly, they stand out to destroy us and none of them come out and hold a rally against it, but the only thing you hear is I am sorry .. o all muslim are criminals. That is a mindset for this president as well. leberals are responsible for this, but soon we gonna see. All of them shall ot only voted out of thses seats, but alos their judges shall be held accountable, one by one. Muslims are criminals and there is no peace as they preach.. they are dead and brain washed and have no common sens or human feeling. They are all of them terrorist. take one cab driver and you gonna hear their opinion about this mosques? It gonna be not only a training for terrorism, but also a way to mock at americans and raise funds for them.

      • Jana

        jay,
        Thank you for your post. We have been a foolish and gullible people and we need to wake up and become educated, and activly speak out against this.

  • sam

    maybe what is needed is a huge protest like the ones unions have. Then maybe it will sink in not to build the Mosque

  • Josephus Hap

    THe Muslims will call it a Shrine to the Highjackers.

  • bob

    i just wonder when they are called to prayer if bloomberg and obama will be the first in line to pray to a false god!!!!!!

    • s c

      Bob, I’m not sure about Bloomberg, but Obama, in his ‘infinite wisdom,’ will be praying to himself.

    • 45caliber

      What gets me is that they have no problem getting the street shut down so they can pray in the street and have no problem getting their loudspeakers installed outside so everyone has to hear this five times a day. Yet they sue bishops and preachers, even threatening jail sentences, if a church tries to ring the church bell!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45caliber,
        I would suggest the people across the street from it get high powered pellet guns and shoot out the speakers when they “announce”!!!!

      • jay

        they are cains and everything is violence. That’s what happens when we christian are fighting at each other over denomination and gays things while we can not even preach the gospel. We have losted morals and courage.
        And church is sued by its own people and yet this president is not yet ousted from this office. He is a muslim and he has proved it.

  • http://??????? Stephen Browning

    Who the h(!! does this developer think he is? He shouldn’t reject a @()&^$ thing let alone rejecting where the mosque should be. That shows you who isn’t running the country.

  • Rudolph Eichman

    Where is the common since on building this mosque?I am american by birth,and live here in South Carolina my heart aches for all of the families who’s loved ones were murdered that september morning.Somebody must have the power to allow them build further out,but not 2 blocks from ground zero.I really cant belive this is happening.It would be the same as building a 13 story statue of Adolph Hitler at Auswitze!!!!!!!!!Where is it gonna stop??

    • Jim H.

      Rudolph, Where is it going to stop, you ask? When we are all Muslim. Then, when the Shiites and Sunni’s are done killing each other off. Or while the rest of us still out number THEM, we wise up and put them in their place.

      • 45caliber

        The Arab mentality clings to fueds and revenge in everything. Just letting the Sunni and the Shites kill each other off won’t solve a thing. The remainder (if any) would simply come up with other feuds to fight.

  • thinking about

    There must be a lot of folks who does not understand the english language or would rather climb a tree and tell a lie when the truth sounds better on the groud. If this deal keeps going in the direction many wants it to, then the next thing would be to get rid of all the guns since “killers” owns guns and the death rate would drop when the cause is gunshot. Any of the readers thinking we should halt any religion is putting themselves in a position of also having their religion or the lack of going in the same direction. And what about the goverment getting involved in everything, you can’t have it both ways, only get the goverment involved when it suits your purpose.

    • Norm

      thinking about

      Your point is well made. The government can’t legally stop the mosque from being built.
      The president and local politicians need to use their “bully pulpits” to convince the Muslims that their actions would not help their cause, in fact it will only generate more hatred and possibly violence against them.
      A mosque at this location would be the ultimate affront to the innocent Americans who were murdered there.

      • Jeep

        You are right Norm. Noone is disputing, or even talking about the “right” to put a mosque in that location. But, to use the words of the prez, we are in disagreement with the “wisdom” of placing the mosque there. So, it’s not a freedom issue, but a sensitivity issue. Funny how Christian sensitivities are ignored while muslim sensitivities are catered to.

      • Al Sieber

        Norm, maybe that’s the plan.

      • Carole Howell

        Norm,
        And how about the innocent Muslims that were killed when the the towers were hit? The victims were of many different religious faiths you know?

      • Brad

        Carole,

        Do you for fact any muslims were killed in the twin towers when they came down?

      • Kirt Stockwell

        Carole,

        You poor deluded soul, You need to do some REAL HISTORY research. For instance, it is telling that the Muslims want to call this abomination “CORDOBA HOUSE”. The ORIGINAL CORDOBA HOUSE is a MOSQUE in Spain that was built on the foundation of a DESTROYED CHRISTIAN CHURCH sacked by the conquering Muslims. This is a pattern with MUSLIM CONQUERERS. They pick a site of what they consider a great victory over the INFIDELS (yes, Carole, they include YOU in that, and your wacky liberal mewlings won’t save you if they gain control) And they RAZE the edifice of the GREAT INFIDEL (which their BROTHERS, THE 911 TERROROIST handily did for them) and they build the most GLORIOUS, OSTENTATIOUS, IN-YOUR-FACE edifice they can muster. It instantly becomes a MOSQUE, a HOLY SHRINE and they will not forever more tolerate ANY desicraton without extreme violent reprisals.

        The fact that RAUF is so cocky that he will call this project by the name of the very clear VICTORY MONUMENT of the same name in SPAIN telegraphs the fact that they believe that there are enough ignorant leftie Kool-Aid drinkers, so caught up in POLITICAL CORRECTNESS that they cannot see that they are being taunted and made fun of by RAUF and the rest of the MUSLIM WORLD.

        Carole, do yourself a favor and look up DHIMMITUDE or have someone look it up for you. DHIMMITUDE is EXACTLY what this CORDOBA HOUSE represents, and the politically correct loons that are allowing this abomination are turning the Citizens of New York and to a smaller extent the entire population of the United States, into DHIMMIES. Is that what you want for your children and grandchildren? If you READ their guiding document, the Q’uran, you will see that it is the product of a sick, twisted, desert-fevered fantasizing of a mysogynistic, narcissistic, sadistic power monger and is more of a world-conquering domination program rather than a true “religion” as that is generally defined.

        You, Carole, are so clearly a part of the problem that you ought to recuse yourself from the public discourse until your educational deficits are mitigated. If you are truly interested in FAIRNESS, TRUTH, JUSTICE, or FREEDOM of ANY KIND, you need to pick up and READ a copy of SKOUSEN’s “THE 5000 Year Leap”. Until you have done so you are patently unqualified to take a productive part in this discussion with any kind of RATIONAL contribution.

      • Jana

        Kirt,
        And no one is denying them their religious freedom. They want us to be tolerant which means to them that we must be silent and let them take over. We have been tolerant as there are over 100 Mosques in Manhattan. Now we ask them to be sensitive to the wishes of the people and show a little tolerance themselves. After all imam Raul or whatever his name is stated that he was wanting to bring us together and bring peace. If he really meant that he would stop this now.

    • Christopher L Welch

      I want know how much money Mayor Bloomberg is going to profit from the Mosque being there?

      • 45caliber

        I don’t know about him personally. But New York stands to pick up some nice change if they make this a pilgrimage site for Islam. A lot of people will be coming to visit and spend money there.

    • Richard Pawley

      Americans are so incredibly naive when it comes to Islam and their goals and even their modus operandi. This NYC mosque (there are quite a few there already and each Friday traffic must avoid the streets where followers of this war-like religion fill the streets with their overflow) has absolutely nothing to do with halting any religion. In their aim at world domination those who follow the god of Islam have always built their favored site of government (worship and politics are one and the same in Islam) or Mosques on the site of the holiest sites of those they conquer. For instance the Dome of the Rock is built on top of the ancient temple in Jerusalem and they would give a fortune to destroy the Vatican and build a mosque on top of it. Since they can’t actually build on Ground Zero they have chosen the next best site. The purpose in this is show their billion plus followers all over the world that even in the United States they rule and conquer. That is why they must build this new Mosque where they have chosen. No where else is acceptable. If you would like to learn a little about how they operate take eight minutes to view the following video and you may be shocked. I did not call my most recent book, “The Last Days of the Late Great United States” for the fun of it. America needs to wake up. Divide and conquer is an ancient technique and as I said in my previous autobiography, “Nuclear weapons and laser guided missiles are not sufficient to defeat those who believe that their god will reward them for their atrocities.” The following video was made in Sweden by a group named ‘White Roses’ named after the student resistance group “Die weiße Rose” in Nazi Germany who became known for an anonymous resistance campaign against Hitler in the early 1940′s. The enemy we fight today is far more dangerous than Nazism although they greatly admire Hitler and in some Muslim countries his autobiography is on the best seller lists. Progressive Americans (both Democratic and Republican) may not wake up until we lose an entire city, and some believe it is only a matter of time. View this and learn while there is still time:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w&feature=player_embedded

      • thinking about

        I was under the impression this is a community center not a mosque. I am concerned if we interfer with the building of this center we will be facing more obstrutions in the future such as freedom of speech, right to bear arms and the story goes on. We have radical people who owns firearms and from some of the comments on this site seems to be willing to do harm to those they do not agree with.

      • Jeep

        Sure, and the Crystal Cathedral is a school, not a church…sheesh.

      • Jana

        thinking about,
        This is what they want to do, instill fear. If we do this that will happen. Well if we do nothing they will take us over for sure. I do not and will not live under Sharia Law. I refuse to be silent, and I refuse to be afraid.
        If we don’t stand up for our rights no one else will. We cannot be cowards we need to stand up and be counted.

      • 45caliber

        Your impression is wrong. It is a mosque.

      • Kirt Stockwell

        Mosque is exactly what it is going to be. Never mind the BOLDFACED, OUTRIGHT LIES told bu the “developer”. MUSLIM practice is to build MOSQUES on the sites of their military victories. Here is how they define a Mosque” ANY PUBLIC BUILDING WHERE TWO OR MORE MUSLIMS GATHER TO PRAY AND WORSHIP. So the first time a couple of adherents PRAY or worship, the COMMUNITY OUTREACH CENTER suddenly becomes a MOSQUE, HOLY beyond words, and DEATH to any infidels that even look at it cross-eyed.

        HISTORY tells the truth about these people. They will not rest happily until YOU, and ME and OUR FAMILIES all live under SHARIA LAW and we all suffer DHIMMITUDE as is befitting those who let these BARBARIANS STEAL THEIR FREEDOM.

        PLEASE, EDUCATE YOURSELF, GET A CLUE, and joins us in the fight to save our nation! Currently, the comments you are leaving only PROMOTE the cause of those that want to see us in SUBJUGATION! I am sure that is NOT what you wanted to do.

      • eddie47d

        Thanks for the information. I didn’t know about the word taqiyya which says it’s okay for a Muslim to lie to anyone who isn’t. There is a mosque already 3 blocks from where this new structure is to go.(that would be 5 blocks from ground zero). Also there are over 100 mosques in NYC so I assume many thousands of Muslims live in this city. Which makes me ask the question;Why would the 9/11 hijackers strike there? It kind of says that the hijackers were very extreme terrorists. They were willing to kill their own people to achieve their goal. It also says that most Muslims are not terrorists but how do we sort them out. I think it was right of Gov. Patterson to see if they would choose another site only out of the sensitivity issue for 9/11 victims. This Center being built in NYC is okay but the location shows a lack of wisdom.

      • 45caliber

        It shows that they have only contempt for anyone who isn’t Muslim.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        edduh!,
        they will kill their own as they figure they would go to allah-land and get their 21 virgins because they died for the cause!!!

      • 45caliber

        You are quite right. What gets me is the number of people who refuse to believe that anyone could possibly be like that when they have the evidence before them.

      • Carole Howell

        Richard, Richard,
        I am so disappointed with you, (this warlike religion) please check out the warlike ways of the Christian religion. Come on are you kidding us here?

        Our nation is frequently called a Christian Nation, (of course we are made up of many religions) but we are constantly at war, constantly invading other nations (small very tiny nations) That is so like the pot calling the kettle black.

        As a matter of a fact most of the world considers us to be the largest threat to world peace. Get real. Oh! and you are just too intelligent for such foolishness.

      • Brad

        Carole,

        When was the last time the US went to war in the name of Jesus Christ? Never, so why do the extremists call this a holly war a jihad or what ever, in the name mohammad their so called prophet? The Quran teaches that a muslim must kill the non-believer if they aren’t willing to convert or just take no prisners.

      • Jana

        That’s all right Carole,
        We are disappointed with you too.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Carole,
        Answer one little question. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE US PUBLICLY BEHEADED AN ENEMY????? Or a news reporter???

      • jay

        you are a such naive and don’t know what you are talking about. Just go in the club and be facked up and after you come here to write such non sens.

      • jay

        this carol is one of those liberals who thinks peace is gain and has no idea why america exist. I think she never suffered any thing from these islamist and she acts like she is a kindergarten kid.

      • Kirt Stockwell

        Carole,

        Quit it! You keep parroting liberal talking points as though they mean something.

        Yes, the United States is considered by many to be a CHRISTIAN NATION. However, it has NEVER been that CHRISTIANITY that has driven us to war but all too often a need to DEFEND those who would peacefully practice whatever religion and politics against those that felt entitled to DOMINATE and SUBJUGATE. The Christianity as practiced by the majority of Americans is a religion of PEACE and TOLERANCE (Regardless of what you have been told by the lying liberal media) We turn the other cheek and are more likely to defend others than to defend ourselves. But when faced with TRUE EVIL we can be ferocious in defending against that.

        America has as far as I know NEVER engaged in a military operation for RELIGIOUS PURPOSES (Not since the unfortunate attacks against the Mormons in Missouri, Ohio, Illinois, and finally by the Federal government ten years after the Mormons had left the borders of what was then the United States.) NEVER has the U.S. initiated a war for religious purposes. The Constitution prevents this from even being a likelihood. Never have we reached outside our borders in an attempt to make anyone obey our state religion.

        Carole, as usual your comments display a horrific ignorance of basic history and basic facts. Take a few days and read something not promoted on HUFFPO and you might find yourself enlightened with TRUTH instead of left-wing propaganda.

        Other than possibly the ends of WWI and WWII I do not believe that there was EVER a time that the people of the United States rejoiced or exulted in any of the many horrible things that can happen in various nations. Americans instead send AID and RELIEF to every corner of the world, regardless of what or who the locals worship or their politics or their ability to pay back. Can you say that about MUSLIM CHARITIES? NO. They take care of “their own” and any aid they do outside their own communities or governments is to build MADRASSAs, in which WAHABI ISLAM is taught to all the little boys and girls so that they can grow up to be suicide bombers. Nice outreach.

        I can’t decide if you are sincere or if you are simply another leftie web-bot-drone providing service to the dark side by constantly inserting your inane half-baked comments into the conversation stream. I hope you are sincere, as if you are there is some hope for you.

        Kirt

      • jay

        why always america? If you don’y like what we give you.. why don’y you go back and build in your country wher islam originated. Go to yemen, Indonesia, Iran , Lybia and other terror nation and build yoursef. We won’t oppes you and take this obama with you and your liberals allies. I am sure you know who you are. Islam as you don’t know them they are criminals and anything other that. Deeds and results are better than words. You know that very well that their imams right here on american soils are preaching hatred because they have no heart or God’s spirit and yet they are guided 24/7 by FBI while these criminals are walking free and they are defended by some of liberals judges and this stupid presided. We gonn atake them out and gonna take care of these judges who defend them. we know who they are and know where they live. Don’t burder,this is america my friend.

  • s c

    There are many ways to look at this. Since offending the families and friends of those who died on 9/11 seems to be irrelevant to the Muslim community, then it would be fair to assume that they have a hidden agenda up their sleeves.
    Watching Mr. Obama suck up to the Muslim crowd was a test of sheer will in not puking myself into a coma. Why should I be proud of someone who sees Neville Chamberlain as a god?
    I’d gladly donate a few dollars so Mr. Obama can claim he owns some common sense. If he’s in a really generous mood, he could consider having monuments built to honor the memory of drug lords, illegal aliens, computer hackers, terrorists and spies, too.
    If being tolerant is so important to Mr. Obama, he could include monuments that honor socialism, communism and fascism (the UN already does that, I know, but absolute tolerance is clearly an obsession with Mr. Obama).

    • Christopher L Welch

      You are forgetting that Hussein Obama is a Sunni-Muslim himself with indebted to the King of Arabia. You’ll never hear that in the state-run media!

      • Jana

        It sure is odd how this Mosque can go up yet the Greek Orthodox Church that also went down on 9-11 cannot get the rights to rebuild their church.
        As I said before, its all tolerance for the Muslims religion of Islam, but no tolerance for any other religion.

      • 45caliber

        You are quite right.

      • Carole Howell

        Jana,
        Where can we get the full info on the Greek church?

        Angel Wannabe,

        You know it is the Jewish people who raise the biggest stink about Easter and Christmas holidays here, the Muslims have very little to say.

        Check it out.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        carole,
        I have Jewish friends that send me Christmas cards! I have eaten at their table and they have eaten at mine!!! Your undying support for the Muslims is getting a little boring!!! Especially when you add Nobama!!!

      • Jana

        Carole,
        I googled Greek Orthodox Chruch Ground Zero and several came up.

      • Jana

        Carole,
        Below Brad posted a link it is: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38462

      • http://goggle jimradford

        i agree with you 100percent,and just thaink all of the things that we will miss that are not going to be there any more because of the diaper heads and there money and power that are doing this,and i would not be afraid to say that there might be some bad blood spilt i hope not but it could happen.

      • eddie47d

        Why should any media repeat your unfounded assertions. What you said is strictly for the fringe lunatics.

      • Brad

        So eduardo,

        Why is it a Greek Orthodox church less than a block from ground zero can’t get rebuilt but a mosque is moving forward? This shout’s religious discrimination, why isn’t mayor bloomberg all over this, oh that’s right he’s siding with muslims and Obama. This is the type of story the networks need to bring to America’s attention.

      • Brad

        Here is a link to my post above. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38462

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Hey edduh47duhs!!!
        Did you read it???

      • Mil

        Liar, Liar Pants on firer.

      • Jana

        Mil,
        You must be talking to eddie.

    • fergie

      Reply to S-C …’absolute tolerance’..Obama’s obsession? I agree in another way. He has NO tolerance for anyone who challenges, questions or disagrees with his edicts. The only tolerance he displays is for his OWN agenda which he insists, by hook or by crook, to force upon us. I say we respond likewise…NO tolerance for him and his gang of crooks any longer; and we will then tolerate the expense of moving him and his entourage OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.
      I have been searching for a site or anyone who has legally set up an Impeachment Petition – have you?

      • s c

        Fergie, I have no plans to start an impeachment website. If our ‘leaders’ who are also lawyers can’t or won’t come to the aid of the American people when we need it most, we’re ‘on our own.’ I severed my ties to lawyers about 15 years ago.
        Having so many ambulance chasers in Congress is only now an obvious liability to the American people. The hen house is guarded by ravening wolves, and many of those beasts are in bed with Herr Obummer.

      • independant thinker

        SC…………..I notice doc sarvis ain’t touching this article and discussion as of 11:05 CDT. You recon maybe he is stunned into temporary silence by the devolopers refusal?

      • s c

        Independent thinker, DS will probably get around to it later today – right after he negotiates a new contract for an extra paycheck for ‘services rendered’ to progressivism and community organizing on the internet.

      • Greg

        fergie,
        try Floyd Reports for your impeachment news…..

        and Herr Obama is correct.We don’t have a president, we have an apprentice fuhrer.

      • Carole Howell

        Greg,
        The last real president we had was JFK, everyone who came after him are just puppets or figureheads with very little power. That should be apparent to everyone by now.

      • Claire

        Carole Howell– And look what happened to JFK and his brother Bobby. Who do you think was truly behind their killings? Just curious.

    • Jim

      This is nothing but Political Correctness gone made. Here’s a quote that speaks to the nature of PC.

      “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
      illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end”

      Enough said……

      • s c

        Jim, if I get to meet you, I’ll gladly buy you a beer, a glass of wine or a large malt scotch. It’s very refreshing to know that someone knows what pc is and doesn’t hesitate to describe it in words that even a progressive can understand.

    • 45caliber

      s c:
      There isn’t really a hidden agenda – actually it isn’t really hidden at all. The Islamic religion builds mosques on the sites of their great victories against their enemy. Preferably on top of the site but a few hundred yards away is okay. And they consider the twin tower attack to be a great victory. Quite likely they will include this mosque as a pilgrim site for true believers to visit so they can see the victory their “warriors” wrought.

      • Al Sieber

        45caliber, you are right sir, I heard that on the radio several different times yesterday.

      • Carole Howell

        Al Sieber,

        Yeah! right you heard on the radio several times so it must be true. ROTFLMAO You are a natural comedian.

      • Brad

        Carole,

        You need to a stroll through history lane and see that every country muslims have conqured they have instilled their form of religion, built mosques to prove their dominance. You need to read the Quran, then and only then can you make a logical response because then you will see what islam has instore for you and I the “Infidel”. Open your eye’s lady, the blinders need to come off.

        It’s well known, on 9/11 across every islamic country, when the news was first broad cast not one single islamic country denounced the terrorists actions, they cheered. So what are your true feelings concerning the mosque, if I had the money I would buy the building next to their so called new site and open 1. a pig butcher shop 2. a porn shop 3. a liquor store.

    • jay

      Man , you are absolutely right!
      This president is braindead and he is out of touch. He should be out of the office sooner that later. Why these criminal muslims likes lower Manhatan, specifically near the ground zero? If they are peaceful as they claim, why FBI have to watch over them 24?7 in MI,VA and other predominantly islamic populated area.? If is peace and outreach this center is built for as they claim, why they do don’t use other places they have.
      If they are peacemakers as they claim, why they don’t do the outreach to their on cells where their imams preaches hatred on american soil? And we have stupid liberals along this naive obama who no nothing about this nation. He has destroyed the foundation we worked so hard over the years. If they want to build, they can go where they belong, Iran, yemen or Somalia. They can take their allies and this naive Obama back to Kenya or indonesia, where he belongs

  • Al Sieber

    My Son, told me there was gonna be a “Gay” Muslim bar next to the mosque. anybody hear that?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Al Sieber,
      I heard it was gonna be an all pork BBQ joint!!!!!!

      • Al Sieber

        Joe H, that’s even worse.

      • Norm

        Joe H.
        Aren’t they same thing?
        Sorry bad joke, but I couldn’t resist.

      • Al Sieber

        Norm, good one.

      • Jim H.

        Joe, I would hope I could get a beer in the BBQ joint. Could we have a dog groomer next door too?

      • 45caliber

        I think a good cathouse across the street might be of help too. And a couple of honky-tonk bars with loudspeakers outside to help drown out the loudspeakers the mosque is going to put up to call all the believers to worship.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45caliber,
        no, no cathouse. Remember by their own laws about wives, the men can have a “temporary” wife for one hour!!!! They’d enjoy the cathouse too much!!!

      • http://goggle jimradford

        and use the loud speakers to broadcast fresh barb pork come and get it while the diapers last,haha

    • royallyangry

      I don’t think the person who wrote a story about that was serious. Seriously though ……a pork belly shop sounds good.

    • Carole Howell

      Al,
      I have not heard that, but have you heard…..
      The 2nd largest owner of Fox new network is owned by Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, whose Uncle is King Abdullah and his family follow Sharia law and that the King is known as one of the top global sponsors of terrorism.

      I doubt all those Fox news patriots know that the same News Corp that’s owned by a Wahhabist Saudi prince just donated a million dollars to the Republican party. Of course they’ll never find out because the only network they watch is the same terrorist funded network that’s doing it.

      Now that is not left propaganda, but actual fact that you can all check on. Yep he gave a cool million to the republican party.

      He openly criticizes Obama. You have to stop and think a little about this. Something is just not right about this.

      • http://goggle jimradford

        its like i allways tell all of my friends, money has no stranger when it comes to any hands good or bad.

      • Jana

        Hey Miss no it all, excuse me I mean Carole Howell,

        About Prince awaleed bit Talal,

        Among his many assets are: a 95% stake in Kingdom Holding Company; 100% ownership of Rotana Video & Audio Visual Company; 90% ownership of Lebanese Broadcasting Center ( LBCSAT ); 7% of News Corp (Fox News); about 6% of Citigroup; 17% of Al Nahar and 25% of Al Diyar, two daily newspapers published in Lebanon.

        He owns such a big chunk of Fox News, yeah 7%. that a lot.

    • Mil

      Educate your child there is already a strip joint in the area along with other places that are not considered the bet of business’s so it is not about the hallowed grounds becuse it is TWO BLOCKS away from the actual site.

      • Jana

        Mil,
        It was close enough that one of the plane’s engine was imbedded in one of the buildings that the Mosque is going to occupy and rebuild on.

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