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The Drumbeats For War Grow Louder

August 9, 2010 by  

The Drumbeats For War Grow Louder

Boom. Boom. Boom.

Can you hear it?

It’s the drumbeat for war. And it’s beating louder by the day.

Boom. Boom. Boom.

Eleven United States and one Israeli warships pass through the Suez Canal.

Boom. Boom. Boom.

Former CIA Chief Michael Hayden says a United States military strike against Iran “seems inexorable” because diplomacy is failing.

Boom. Boom. Boom.

Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mike Mullen says the U.S. military has a plan to attack Iran.

Boom. Boom. Boom.

Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives last week introduced Resolution 1553 which would give Israel the go-ahead to attack Iran. The resolution grants support for Israel to “…confront nuclear threats posed by the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the use of military force…”

The neocons have never seen a war they couldn’t support, no matter the President’s party affiliation.

Boom. Boom. Boom.

The end is near—so President Barack Obama tells us—for former President George Bush’s incursion into Iraq. He said last week that America’s combat mission in Iraq will end by Aug. 31. But that doesn’t mean all troops will come home. There will still be 50,000 there as August turns into September. And it’s going to be 18 more months before they all come home… if he sticks to his timeline.

We can only hope 50,000 troops are enough to prevent that governmentless nation from descending further into chaos.

For those troops that do come home, it appears they will only be home long enough to change their underwear and restock their ammunition belts before heading off to another Mideast hellhole to die… for what?

To blow up suspected nuclear sites, even though a 2007 U.S National Intelligence Estimate said that Iran had halted work on developing a nuclear warhead in 2003. Meanwhile, an unclassified military report submitted to Congress in April concluded, “Iran is developing technological capabilities applicable to nuclear weapons and, at a minimum, is keeping the option to develop nuclear weapons,” as The Washington Post reported.

A May report by the United Nations’ International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said Iran hasn’t sufficiently cooperated to allow the agency to determine if Iraq’s nuclear activities are solely for peaceful activities.

Conflicting stories of weapons of mass destruction: Haven’t we heard this before… during the lead up to the invasion of Iraq?

If HR 1553 were to pass and Israel does strike at Iran’s nuclear reactors and nuclear sites, what then? If Iran strikes back—which President Mahmoud Ahmadenijad has said they would—and is joined by Syria, Lebanon and Hezbollah, would the U.S. then be obligated to intervene?

It would seem so. And what would be the result of such a conflagration?

Obama has pledged America’s undying support of Israel no matter what… even if he did treat Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu badly during his visit to the White House earlier this year. And Israel maintains it is convinced that Iran is working to acquire nuclear weapons.

Much of the international community also seems convinced Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon. The feckless U.N. Security Council has been trying to agree on sanctions against Iran for some time. China and Russia continue to hold out.

But aren’t Americans growing sick of war? Apparently the political class isn’t.

Nine years later we remain in Afghanistan, NATO allies are abandoning us and more and more of our troops are dying. Obama, with no clear-cut strategy to fight what he considers the good war, vows to continue fighting on, and any timelines he may mention mean little.

Seven years later we are still in Iraq, and at least a few thousand troops will remain there for the foreseeable future. Nineteen years later we’re still in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, even though the first Persian Gulf War supposedly ended with a good outcome.

Sixty-four years later we still have troops stationed throughout Eastern Europe and in Japan. Fifty-seven years later we still have troops stationed in South Korea. That war has not ended—no official peace treaty ever signed—and there have even been some drumbeats sounding from there. Just not as loud… yet.

But the recent U.S.-South Korea joint air and sea military exercises in the Sea of Japan intended to send a message to a recalcitrant North Korea—who has been accused of torpedoing a South Korean ship—antagonized China. And who can blame them?

What would we think if China or Russia conducted military exercises in the Gulf of Mexico or off the coast of New York or San Francisco? Either Obama and the Pentagon were naive to the implications of conducting war games in the area, or they conducted them intending to raise tensions in the area.

Boom. Boom.

According to the think tank Foreign Policy In Focus, there were 865 Pentagon-confirmed U.S. troop base sites located off U.S. soil in 2009. But this number doesn’t include all of the bases being used in Iraq and Afghanistan—as many as 150 more.

There are 268 bases in Germany, 124 in Japan and 87 in Korea. Others are scattered around the globe in Aruba, Australia, Bulgaria, Bahrain, Colombia, Greece, Djibouti, Egypt, Qatar, Romania, Singapore and Cuba, to name just a few.

The bases are draining our economy of billions of dollars a year. Isn’t it time we ended Empire America? Isn’t it time we brought our troops home?

There would still be work for them to do. Our border with Mexico is under assault.

But the military-industrial complex might not be as happy about that. Stopping Mexican paramilitary units and drug cartel thugs isn’t as lucrative as dropping bunker busters on Iran and North Korea… and maybe China.

BOOM. BOOM. BOOM.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Harry

    It’s time to arm the war profiteers and let them fight the battles they create instead of our children and grandchildren who give their lifeblood in work and fight for this bunch of greed filled Utopians who lack any moral conscience and character. If American’s can’t see this war ploy as simply a way to make a small pack of filthy rich more money, power and control, they need to study history outside our classrooms.

  • Jay Ash

    I agree with muslim in the WH. Be certain he and polosi loose their power in the next election!!!

    • JRC

      And that will change…what?

      NOTHING…do you really believe even for one second that anyone who will get those mandates will be able to “”just”" change everything? Nope if they try they will end up the same way JFK did. Whoever gets the mandate…and it does NOT mater what party he belongs too…will have to dance to the strings of the corporate military complex, the bankers, and the international corporations. The ONLY way to change this would be if there is a total collapse of the US and people strong enough to prevent the international bankers and corporations from taking over afterward.

  • Joseph

    cody Fletcher. You need to check yourself into a hospital and have your head examined. The ADL and other mainline jewish (mostly zionist) organizations have been the principle lobbyists for open borders since the late 1920s. They want to make Americans of european origin a minority in America. We must not let them do to our country what they did to Russia in 1917 ! We muststop all aid to Israel immiediately and we must place a moratorium on all immigration!

    • Al Sieber

      Joseph, you figured it out, at least someone gets it.

    • coal miner

      Joeseph,

      Amen!

    • JC

      Absolutely right.

    • coal miner

      Joeeph,

      I agree,no more aid to Israel.I believe in the right to bear arms and we could lose that right.When we do,we can resort to making our own weapons.Here is one of the websites.Check it out.

      http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread325510/pg1 · Cached page

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Don’t confuse the Zionists with true Israel. While I pray for and support Israel, we must never forget that the present Israeli state is a socialist nation. However, as a Christian, I am commanded to pray for the peace of Israel. Now, as to liberal Jews: liberals are liberals, regardless of their race or ethnic background. All liberals are a sorry lot.

  • Joseph

    Excellent column Mr. Livingston ! You have pinpointed the rabble neocon menace and its destructive agenda for our America. Idiot Bush did their bidding for 6 out of 8 years and he can be thanked for the presidency of Barrack Obama . We need to reighn in our military spending and shift our troops to our southern border ! Thank god that Mr. Livingston has the courage to call a spade a spade.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      As to the term “neocon.” I believe it means new conservative and is used by the left as a derogatory term for conservatives. Most conservatives I know have been that way for 40 plus years. In your Obama zombie mind is that considered new? A mature adult who is not a conservative is a brain-dead fool with no real life expierience.

  • Boo Ewald Taylor, IL

    I just hope that when all is said and done that the truth will be known to all and no one can deny their part in this game they play with us and our children. Looking back at history though, it would seem that truth is always circumvented for the need to prove why our leaders do such idiotic things. This is the standard we have come to accept and expect. Pitiful. One truth I know is that war is beneficial to those that push it, just like Al Gore pushing his green crap, he’s made a fortune off of making people feel bad about using energy when he uses 10 times more. Are things ever gonna be on the up and up? NOT!!!

  • http://Yahoo Cody Flecker

    There are justified and un-justified wars, and fighting for the ultimate control of the middle east falls squarely on Israel’s shoulders. No Arab nation has the where with all to confront the Iranians like Israel has. Thus the US must agree to allow the Israelis use their man power plus advanced weaponry to once and for all destroy the Iranians. All this baloney about the Jews controlling the world is pure nonsense and pure anti-semitism. Next some of the morons on this site will blame the Freemasons for wanting to control the world. Wars in Iraq, and Afghanistan are unjustified. Outside of spending Billions of Dollars in a wasteful manner and losing thousands of American and coalition lives both wars net us absolutely zero. They should both end today. These wars are not about Communism taking over the area, but about war lords who want to live in the 7th century. If that is what they want, let them do so. Israel on the other hand are comprised of Christians and Jews who are Gods chosen people. If you want to oppose them, you are opposing God.

    • http://www.pbondillustration.com paul

      Please leave religion out of it, STOP using religion as a WEAPON! War is ultimately about resources and money! Outside of that, Cody, you are STONE COLD RIGHT!

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Sadly, religion is the reason for most of the wars in all of time. If you think that the potential war between Israel and the Iranians, Syrians or other Muslim nations is not religious, you’re hiding your head in the sand. Religion, or anti-religion, is virtually always the cause, if you dig deep enough.

    • http://internet messenger

      Think u CODY u are right on track as is said in ROMANSch3verse4 (LET GOD BE TRUE AND MAN A LIER,AS IT IS WRITTEN)All preachers of today are FALSE teachers and man made.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Now why on earth would you say that? You have absolutely no way of knowing the heart and intents of “preachers” today. There are some fakes, of course, but there are many more earnest, God-fearing men of God who have given their lives to serve God. Religion is false, but a relationship with Christ is real. There are plenty of godly pastors teaching just that: a real, vital relationship with Jesus Christ. Since you like Scripture, remember this one: “touch not my anointed and do my prophets no harm.” Be careful about condemning men of God whose hearts you have no way of knowing.

    • JRC

      You are basically right, your only mistake is that you have swallowed the religious bait of the Jewish master race hook and sinker.
      Keep superstition out of your political views and you will find that suddenly you see the truth and will see what is really going on.

      • james

        Jewish master race???? Do you even live on this planet?? Were you born this stupid or did you learn it? History shows that the jews have been oppressed and hated for years! Don’t sound like a master race to me! How in the world do you get they are a master race? Oh ya, I forgot in your other nonsence post you said you don’t READ the Bible and apperantly any OTHER books either. Oh well, you can’t argue with an idiot!!

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Spoken like a true Muslim Jew-hater!

    • JC

      The Jews are God’s chosen people? Oh right I forgot about that.
      I guess that’s what makes the rest of us expendable to them.
      And aren’t the radical Muslims of the same mind? That we can all die for being Christians?

      I don’t believe we have any real friends in the Middle East, none.

      • eddie47d

        The Arab/Persian governments use Israel as an excuse to keep their own people down. The old divide and conquer mold which is getting moldier. These countries know they can’t solve their own problems so Israel becomes the scapegoat. The Israel/Palestinian problem could have been solved many years ago,but the division fills a need. Every country needs real and imagined enemies to stokes wars and to keep their citizens in line.

      • JC

        It works the same in every country…always has.

      • Fog of War

        JC we now have a base in Iraq and the Israeli are not necessary.

    • Sea Captain

      We don’t need Israel we have Iraq.

      When the smoke clears we will emerge to exert our leadership.

  • http://www.pbondillustration.com paul

    Does history repeat itself? What happened the last time in history that the world was one big economic mess? Remember the “New Deal”? Wasn’t WW2 the REAL New Deal? I myself have been SOLIDLY convinced that we will never resolve our own county’s problems in any sensible way, and “change” will only occur thru a REAL cataclysmic event FORCING things to CHANGE. Sorry to be so cynical . . . we have a government that willfully REFUSES to act in the best interest of the people, a government who’s well defined strategy is to divide and conquer its citizenry and grab the money, never for an instant motivating that citizenry to pull together! Folks, I hate to SEE it, I hate to SAY it, I’m truly SORRY to say so, it’s gonna take a WAR! It is HIGH TIME we added one more candidate to the ballot, backed by what should be the real third party, the NONE OF THE ABOVE PARTY!

    • Al Sieber

      paul, that could be the only way.

    • Dan Burke

      When I voted in 2008, I seem to recall seeing several names on the ballot. My problem? Only two of them did I know anything about. Several were apparently all sorts of socialists parties since the Republicans and Democrats aren’t getting us there “fast enough….” I don’t even want to go there on that, but there was a glimmer of hope. One looked like it might have been what I would have really wanted to vote for. Unfortunately, I did not vote for their candidate because I had never heard of them before. Not their party, nor their candidate. Were they really a conservative, small government candidate like the name of the party seemed to apply or was it actually a clever name twist and just another progressive group I would find sickening? I didn’t know…. And so I felt like I only had two choices.

      As for this war stuff, I read a bunch of stuff and wonder if we aren’t missing the point.

      Should Isreal be allowed to keep their nukes? Yes. If Iran wasn’t so devoted to destroying another nation (they’ve declared that their goal is wipeout/destroy Israel?), then I would actually be for them developing a nuclear arsenal. I know nukes aren’t good. I am well aware of the dangers. I even fear that nukes getting into the hands of terrorists as the weapon proliferate, but that doesn’t mean I want us to suppress nuclear weapons. We talk about disarming, but the problem is that we cannot go back. Even if you were to disarm the major “superpowers,” the knowledge of nuclear weapons will not go away. Even if you were to destroy all the materials documenting how to, the knowledge that it is possible will still exist. The only difference I see between a nuclear “powered” world and the disarmed world is our ability to detect and deal with the problem. If we disarm, I fear we will become apathetic. We will become lazy and believe ourselves safe…. Take for example, currently, all my car wrecks have been on sunny, “safe” days. I have white-knuckled through icy roads that I should have stayed home and safe. Foolish? Yes. But as I said, my accidents have been when the weather was good, the roads clear and dry. I was lax and my car(s) have paid the price for it. We might want the safe world. I think that is the correct desire. We should want the safe world. But does taking away another’s freedom in the name of peace actual foster peace? In the case of Iran, if we take away Isreal’s right to protect itself, then we are not fostering world peace.

      I know this reads like I am for America and Israel going to war with Iran. I am not. I think we should support Israel. It is our politicians I do not trust.

      Could it be used to justify “martial” law? Perhaps. Would that cause American’s to rise up and “free” themselves? I don’t know. The optimist in me says they should. The pessimist says they are sleep ripe for slaughter so probably won’t. See, the real danger I see here is that Republicans and Democrats are under fire politically going into this election. They are fighting for their “power” base. The Republican party is fighting against a Tea Party takeover from within. They will want to justify their past politics. The Democrats may just want our attention pulled away from all their bad policies from this past year and a half. President Clinton went and started some small conflicts right about the time he was getting scrutiny for some bad personal/political decisions. Things that could have really hurt the Democrats. Were those conflicts things America should have intervened in? Perhaps. Were they done at the right time? Maybe, but there were many like myself who believed they were being done for the wrong reason and at a most convenient time to draw attention away from the President. Did it work? In the overall picture, probably not. In the immediate, oh yeah, it sure seemed like it took the heat off President Clinton and his cronies. So, as I look at this conflict in the Middle East, I understand more than I wish I did but still far too little to know what is really going on. I just don’t trust our government and I am very, very afraid that a clever democratic political system will pull a “fast one” over on the American people–by both the Republican and Democratic parties.

      • JRC

        Iran can destroy Israel TODAY if they wanted to, they do NOT need a nuke to do it. A nuke will help but is not needed. Remember Israel is a small sliver of land and Iran has enough rockets to overwhelm Israels defenses and plaster a rocket every 100 sq yards on Israels cities.
        If they really wanted to wipe em as badly as the Israelis and the press wants us to believe, they would have done so already.

      • james

        JRC, you said that once before so I need to ask you something. If Iran doesn’t need a nuke and can wipe Isreal off the face of the earth then why haven’t they done it? Irans moron of a president said himself that as soon as Iran gets a nuke they will wipeout Isreal so if they can do it now then why wait? Iran HATES Isreal so whats the problem? No Iran can NOT take out Isreal yet and I pray they never will. Everone knows if Iran thought they could destroy Isreal they would do so amd not be waiting on a nuke. I was just wondering why you keep saying what you are saying because if you are right I don’t understand what there hold up is? Thanks…

      • Bob

        Because Iran’s president never said that. He said they have no right to exist because it’s not their land. The Zionist media twisted his words and you fell for it.

      • Jeep

        Bob is correct. Ahmadinejad’s statements were morally outrageous and historically inaccurate, but he did not actually call for mass murder or for the expulsion of the Israeli Jews to Europe.

      • Al Sieber

        Bob and Jeep, you sure know your facts.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Man for man, Israel has the best fighting force on earth, with the possible exception of the US. No, Iran cannot defeat Israel. Israel’s entire air force has pilots the equivalent of our “top guns.” In the last war with Syria, Israel obliterated the Syrian air force without losing a single fighter plane. Syria grounded their planes after moving them to Iraq. Iran cannot defeat Israel without nukes and Israel currently has enough nukes to wipe out 90 percent of the Muslim world, including Iran, and has missles with the range to reach every inch of Iran.

      • Bob

        I still say they were run out of Lebanon. They said the US and UN told them to just to save face.

      • Granny Mae

        Dan,

        I have been there with you and I have the same feelings and mis-givings. For me though I believe that all nuke use should be banned world wide. My feelings for this are this, at this point in time we have no way to dispose of the waste safely. No matter what we do with it there is always the possibly of it coming back to haunt us. We can store it in mountains but who was the smart guy that came up with that? Stop and think how mountains are made ! Believe it or not most of the mountains in the US are here because of volcanic action and there is no such thing as an extinct volcano ! Just a sleeper and who knows when it will wake up ? When it does then what ? Nuclear energy is not something we should be messing around with .

  • Kimbo

    Every nation grows at it’s own pace. We grew through our war for independence with help from others. The French helped us fight their old enemy, the British. Then came our great cival war when we killed each other. Our history is no different than what is happening now in many other areas of the world. Other nations, even though their societies are older than ours, lag behind in education and freedoms. We aid them in their fight for equality and freedom. We are our brothers’ keeper. It would be great if we could all sit down and diplomatically agree to stop all wars and live in peace. Unfortunately there are too many ignorant murderers in the world. We are the good fighting the bad. Let the warriors fight the wars, let the educators educate the people, let the families raise their children and teach them values. We point our fingers at our leaders and accuse them of ruining our great country. The blame rests with us. We elected them. We voted them into their office. If we want rid of them, we need to show up on election day and fire them. If we want a better society we should stop trusting these idiots and become more involved.

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      Amen Kimbo.

    • JRC

      lol, is that why the US is #100 out of 360 odd countries on education…We may be a military power, but geniuses and highly educated we are NOT.

      • Willie D

        Remember JRC, that education and intelligence are not always the same thing, nor do they walk hand in hand in peace often!

      • james

        JRC there you go again! You calling them ingnorant is like the pot calling the kettel black!!!!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        we can thank the ACLU and the teacher’s unions for that.

    • Willie Peet

      More Mexicans will make a better America.

      There are too many here who don’t support our freedoms.

      • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

        willy peet is a compleate Moron.

      • JC

        What?

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Okay. And when did they let you out of the asylum?

      • Al Sieber

        Willie, it’ll make America like Mexico, why is that better?

      • Granny Mae

        Willie Peet,

        If you are a Mexican then go to Mexico and fight for your freedoms there. Take over your own country and make it what you want but don’t sneak in here and expect me to educate your kids for free and give you food stamps and housing grants and medicade and hospitalization that you never pay for. You come here and make a living while my tax dollars take care of you and then you go back south of the border and get along just fine on the money you made in this country. And don’t for one minute give me that old story that you only take jobs that Americans won’t take. That is horse hockey ! My son is a construction contractor and complains all the time because of trying to compete with contractors that hire illegals for less money and then the contractor with legal employees can’t compete in price for jobs. Illegals cost us taxpayers in so many way it isn’t funny. I don’t mind if you come here legal but don’t sneak in here and then live off me. There are Jiffy type stores around here that the illegals deal with all the time and I will tell you I don’t understand it. They go in and take out a wad of money and pay for their beer and then go outside and drink till they get drunk and come back in and mess with the women cashiers. Their wives come in and buy fast food and soft drinks with food stamps, while the old man is spending their money on booze ! When they get unrully and the poliece are called they are only given a warning and the police go on their way and the illegals are still out under the tree drinking. So Willie take your antagonistic a-s back where you came from.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Absolutely right!

    • Granny Mae

      Bravo Kimbo

  • http://goggle jimradford

    how many countrys are looking at war?i thaink it is four,sounds like the four horsemen might be putting there saddels on there horses, if that is wright then would any country be free of then, i dont thaink so, lets take there saddles away that way they wont be able to do anything, the saddles being there abilty to use there rockets, if push comes to shove remind them of the way we used ours on them one at a time so that way they would be able to stop the madnes they are useing to start this unnesary war

    • Granny Mae

      Jim,

      That is a thought but consider this, In our arsenal of weapons, the bomb is now obsalete! We have weapons today that are beyond yours and my imagination ! The bomb is a weapon of the 1940′s and the scientific mind has not been standing still !

      • dan az

        Ganny Mae
        your absolutely right take the neutron bomb for an example only humans would be vaporized not the buildings.You know how they like to test there new toys,example Iraq.

  • http://Drumbeatsforwar Ken Hughes

    We should have listened to McCarthy and Pattison!I fear for N America especially The Big Apple! We are led by imposters and fools now!Beware!! Ken

  • SKY

    I try to enjoy each day as a citizen of the U.S., as I watch White House polititians rapidly destroy this country’s great constitution/Bill of Rights. Don’t know how much longer we’ll ENJOY life in this country. I dread the “fallout” from corrupt polititians’ decisions for the U.S. The present Washington regime is running its own agenda, implementing EVERY program and “change” desired only by THEM as they circumvent our once great democratic process of selecting local, national & international policies – there seems to be no stopping their march toward socialism and the goal of making the U.S.another third-world country run by dictatorship. More war will further destroy our freedoms and national growth. Everything the present regime wants, the present regime gets – they are masters at circumventing legalitites. Can they be stopped through elections?

    • slickporsche

      ANSWER- A RESOUNDING NO!!

    • Jason

      The congress may not be able to be stopped at the election booths as they are like coch roaches that invade a house. You can step on one coch roach and another of the same breed and low caliber will take its place and continue on with their agenda. The only way to get rid of coch roaches in a house is through extermination, the same goes for congress.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        You’re right. The powers that be have it planned that way. They have their folks on both sides of the House and Senate. One of these days, google “Hegelian Dialectic.” That’s been the way the UN has worked for many years. Each decision takes us just a little closer to global federalism (one world government) with a worldwide socialist government run by the elite.

  • Dr. Mabuse
    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      What a sensless rant.

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    I understand our support for Israel, but I don’t understand that they need our ‘permission’ to do anything. If they had asked for our support, I can understand that, but what is with asking for permission?
    Why don’t we bring our troops home? Nobody wants us to help any more and we have enough problems here to deal with, such as our own boarders!

    • Bob Wire

      I agree, ~ I’m thinking it’s time to unchain the dawg, back off and just watch. I grow tied of keeping him tied up and having to feed him.

    • Al Sieber

      Robin, our borders are the most important, that’s where we need protection.

      • dan az

        You got that right Al with all the islamic terrorist crossing the border everyday we dont stand a chance of protecting our cities from mass bombings in high populated area’s.Even if you stopped them now it would be to late with close to 50,000 crossing the borders per day how many of them are from islamic terrorist nations.Knowing this you would have to wonder, why is it being aloud.It dosent take a brain surgen to figure it out.

    • Delzell

      America has been Israel’s foremost ally (and vice-versa) for its entire history. We haven’t always stood up for them when we should have, but if anyone did, it was us.

      Israel obviously does not need direct US intervention to deal with one middle-eastern dictator who’s gotten to big for his coat. They can take care of themselves but they want our approval. Without US political backing, Israel risks an expanded conflict and gives the many Jihadee’s in various European and South Asian countries (some of them world powers) an excuse to turn their country to a more hostile stance.

      Israel doesn’t have the numbers, or the political power to deal with a hostile Europe and still defend itself from the Middle-East. By giving permission for an attack, the United States is essentially forcing any grievance that Europe has against the war to be directed at us, as opposed to our more vulnerable ally.

      PS. We aren’t the ones who go in there. Israel will be the ones doing the extended war (or that’s the story, with “The Chosen One” you never know.) They still fight to win, no pointless ROEs, no nationbuilding campaigns. If Israel is set loose on Iran, even if Iran has a nuclear prototype, the war will be short. (anyone remember the seven days war? Israel wasn’t prepared for that.) This isn’t the first time either, there was another incident where Israel launched an air strike against a Mid-East nation that was believed to be developing nuclear weapons. They knocked-out the facility. The only problem was that no major power had agreed with them the facility needed to go by force. The US was forced to condemn the strike, and cancel several sales of much needed aircraft. We simply aren’t making the same mistake of thinking Israel will wait for our go-ahead until the bombs hit Jerusalem.

      Could it be, I’ve actually found an Obama decision I agree with?

      • james

        Delzell, Thank you for your coment. Finally there is someone else other than me that seems to be willing to stand for Isreal and there decission to protect there own people. Isreal is OUR best allie in that part of the country. Everyone here seems to be all bent out of shape because we have over 800 bases all over the world, but if we didn’t, and if trouble broke out in those areas then it would be much harder if not imposible to lauch a responce in a timely maner if need be. And if we stop trouble over there then maybe we, the people here liveing in the USA won’t have to be fighting a war in our own land. Yes it does seem that we are the ones who step up and police the world, but if we don’t do it who will? What would have happened and what would the world be like today if we would have said Hitler is not our problem? I don’t think ANYBODY would have liked that out come. Everyone seems to be against us being in Iraq but we help to free up a oppressed people. And yes alot of it was over the oil too. But do you really want to pay $30 a gallon for gas? Or $500 a month to just pay for the cost of electric for your house? America would be crippled if that happened and if everyone would just stop and think maybe they would understand it a little better than gripping about some corporations is the only reason we go to war anymore! Even if it is it is STILL protecting our way of life. But I’m like you and can’t beleive I TOO agree with something Obama is saying!!!!! Thats one for the records!!

      • Bob

        You forgot about 2006 when Hezbollah chased Israel out of Lebanon. They want Americans to do their dirty work. They’ve been threatening ti bomb Iran for 7 years but won’t do it themselves.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Hezbollah did not chase Israel out of Lebanon. The US and the UN did that. As a matter of fact, Israel kicked their butts and killed a whole lot more of them than it lost. You liberals sure like to twist history, don’t you?

      • Fog of War

        The jews fear Hezbollah.

        The Israeli want to build settlements and expand.

        There is a name for that. Zionism?

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Reference Israel not needing our permission: of course not. However, since we are one of their few supporters, they certainly want our support in such a decision. They will, however, act alone if they feel their existence is threatened.

      • Only in America

        They just want our money and secrets.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Well, as far as the Zionist portion of them is concerned, there’s a lot of truth in that. But the Zionists are really basically atheists, like some of the people in this discussion. They’re not true Jews.

    • Granny Mae

      Robin,
      Isreal doesn’t need our permission to strike Iran. Our government and the heads of several other countries have insisted that Isreal does not strike first for reasons only they know ! I assume it is because of the retaliation that it would cause from all the other middle eastern countries and the oil that we get from them. Also there are countries such as Russia and China that have agreements with some of these countries that would pull them into the war it would cause and that would truly be disasterous for all involved. If you don’t think we are dependant on the middle east for oil just try to get through a cold northern winter without it. Try going to work or the store or the hospital (God forbid) without it. See how long the grocery stores will have food available on the shelves without oil ! How long will you be pounding on your computer or watching the news on TV or turning on an electric light ! How about all the soap you use or the nice little plastic bags you have gotten use to grabing ! How about the microwave you use or the pump you run for your water. If you live in the city how long do you think you would be drinking clean safe water without oil for electricity to run the water treatment plants ? There are a lot of reasons for Isreal not going to war with Iran other than their own costs. Some of are prepared for such things but not most ! Also how long can you remain prepared? How long will your preparations last and then what will you do ? How long have we been in Afghanistan? Will your preparations last that long if you have to start using them for your every day existance ! Think long and hard before you hope for some things.

  • http://yahoo.com AmericanPatrot

    I’ll believe it when I see it…the muslim in the WH is in no hurry to see harm come to his muslim brothers, blessings and peace be upon them…:p

    • http://internet messenger

      IF YOU BELIVE THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A GOOD MOSLEM,I WILL SELL YOU A SCREEN DOOR TO A SUBAMRINE:I LIKE FOR U TO SHOW ME IN THE[ AUTHORIZED KING JAMES BIBLE WHERE IT SAY SO]FROM THE THE BOOK OF GENESES TO THE BOOK OF REVELATION SAYS THEY ARE [GODS] SOUL ENEMYS.AND PROPHECY WILL BE FULLFILLED,THE ANTICHRIST IS ON HIS WAY (GETREADY)WHAT GOD SAYS WILL HAPPEN:

      • JRC

        Grow some brain, the Muslim faith did NOT exist during the times of the old testament most of what you talk of was added to “”scripture”" by the rcc during the times of the crusades to have a means to justify they’re actions. The Bible is full of those so called truth and in itself is nothing but a collection of pagan stories plagiarized from ancient texts and changed to fit the political and religious ways of the times. All stories that did not comply with what the rcc perceived to be “”the way”" where suppressed and omitted. Twisting the truth and historic time lines is what Judaism and Christianity…and the Muslim faith is best at.
        Religion is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated by man kind.

      • james

        JRC, where did you get your degree at? As much as you think you know about the Bible I’m sure you had some training. Was it at HELL COLLEGE? We are free to beleive in God or not but this trash you are puking out is prue none sence. It’s real plan you have never really studied the Bible OR any of the science that has PROVED the Bible is stateing facts! Atleast what they have proven so far. And I don’t mean just looking at the cover and then sayu you have read it either.. Beleive it or not makes no difference but one day we will ALL stand before God to be judged. And I will be there watching you trying to tell God how his word, the Bible, is nothing more than a bunch of lies! Good luck with that one!

      • Granny Mae

        JRC
        BUG PUCKY !

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        You’re right about there not being a Muslim religion in Old Testament times. However, the entire Old Testament was intact and complete long prior to the Crusades. The Masoretic Text was complete hundreds of years prior to the birth of Christ. What you’re espousing is a bit of Muslim, anti-Catholic rhetoric. By the way, I’m and Evangelical Christian, not a Catholic.

      • Coast to Coast

        Just another name for radical religious nut.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        How many Christians do you see today going around blowing up innocents like the radical Muslims? There is an occasional so-called “Christian crazy,” but they certainly don’t reflect the true Christian beliefs or worldview.

  • Bob Wire

    The Iran has the same problems we do, government controlled by special interest groups and not a true reflection of the will and mind of her people.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      There’s a lot of truth to that.

  • soldier

    Sickening. War is started and maintained by those with everything to gain and nothing to lose and fought by those with everything to lose and nothing really to gain (except maybe a pretty ribbon or medal).

    • JRC

      Today’s war for the US are fought by people who open minded signed up for it, receive a monthly paycheck and for all purposes and definitions can be considered ”mercenaries”. They know from the beginning that they will fight a war and maybe get killed for the corporate military complex. NOT for the people in the US and they’re freedom (that’s just the official BS they give us to make it look nice) but in order for the corporate military to exist.

      Think about this, what would happen to all those carrier personal on the pentagons payroll and all the subcontractors they pay billions too if we would stop wars and bring out people home? You got it….they would be without a job. So wars and actions are what those guys need to receive a monthly paycheck and to stay employed. They will do anything in they’re power to keep wars going or to start new wars somewhere….anything they can legal or illegal…and they have the power and technology to do it.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Yeah! How convenient. Ruin the economy and maintain a high level of unemployment to guarantee a plentiful supply of poor people willing to sign up for a bonus and some benefits that they have no chance of getting from anywhere else. And then let’s not forget the broken promises, If you come home with exposure to agent orange or depleted uranium or from a cocktail of drugs and vaccination, or mental illness from what you did and saw, good luck getting help.

      • Bob

        Does anyone here know of any rich kids that joined the military.

      • Jeep

        As a recruiter in NJ back in the late 80′s, I had the opportunity to enlist many fine men and women from “wealthy” homes. I also had the opportunity to enlist many from “poor” homes as well. Don’t try the progressive tactic of class warfare (pun intended).

      • Jeep

        JRC, you are so wrong on so many things I will not take the time, or space to point it out. However, just go to Fort Bragg and tell a young paratrooper he’s a “merc” and not a patriot. Really, I dare you.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Jeep, don’t discourage him from doing so. It would be a lesson well-learned. It might help him grow up. By the way, when I served, I knew several fine soldiers from wealthy homes.

    • Jeep

      I’ve had enough of your ranting “soldier”…get a new name. If you ever served your attitude would be different. Or, perhaps you were some REMF that couldn’t cut it. Most of our soldiers have a very clear understanding of what the mission is, althought they may not agree with how it is being fought. But, you dance around the edge of disparaging America’s finest men and women, and I will not stand for it without calling you and your ilk (like Carol, et al.) out. Ever hear of “hate the game, not the player”?

      • michelleo

        SAY ON JEEP, NOW FOLKS,THAT’S A REAL AMERICAN TALKING

    • Granny Mae

      That is true !

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      I’ve often said that “old men start wars – young men die in them.”

  • Bob Wire

    Yea I hear it.

    Special Interest and the military complex is hungry and their belly growls.

    • soldier

      Soldiers could stand up and just say no and go to the brig unless at the very least, congress declares war. I don’t get it. Sodiers are brave enough to face artillerly, rifle fire, and otherwise brave enough to fight under the most horrifying battle field conditions but they are chickens when standing up to their commanding officer and saying, sorry I swore an oath to the constitution which demands that congress officially declares war?

      • American

        I have to agree AND disagree with you soldier. First, let me say thank you to you and your family. We all owe you much more than we can ever repay for your service to this (once) great nation. I agree with your depiction of bravery among our soldiers. However, I do not agree with the concept of sticking up for your opinion. One of the biggest downfalls of this nation is the lack of self-discipline and disrespect for authority. I may not have always agreed with my employer but, as a subordinate, I either do what he says or take a hike. Doing the latter wouldn’t change the employer’s ways. We now have the worst commander-in-chief the US of A has ever seen (as well as the worst Congress) but soldiers should still maintain discipline. I can only imagine how hard it is to live by the new ROE. Why spend the billions in war efforts if our force has to sit back and wait for someone to shoot at them before they can take any action? What kind of sense does that make? Oh, we can’t kill innocents! How about we go in, bomb the hell out of our enemy, stop them from killing innocents not only within their own people but the enemy’s as well, get it done and over with and come home? What’s so hard about that? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist, or a Congressional panel, to figure that out. If we would do that then the rest of the world would think…”Hhhhmmm, they mean business. Let’s step back and think about it before we screw with them.” I’m sure if we stopped playing around and got the job done this would be a world of much more peace.

      • Carole Howell

        American, wow! you are way out there, our enemies?, these countries we are in never ever attacked us. We invaded them. This military kills innocents all the time, you live in a fantasy.

        Someone here mentioned if we attack Iran, there are sleeper cells here just waiting for that. Yes I believe that is true. And it is believed by others also, Sibel Edmonds,(U S nuclear secrets sold to agent in Turkey, who sold them to Scientist in Pakistan, who then sold them to al Qaeda) that they now have small nukes and can take out 7 major cites.
        Someone here said Israel just wants to protect it’s borders, Israel has refused to define it’s borders, Why? If you were Iran and had Israel as an enemy, wouldn’t you want some nukes for self defense? It goes both ways.

        Someone here said Israel was surrounded by enemies, could this be because Israel is a bad neighbor? Because all these countries have Jewish populations and they are treated very well. So it is not Jewish people they do not like, it is the policies of the Israeli government that they object to.

        If we go to war with Iran, we will be so sorry, very sorry. To even entertain the thought is insane.

        Most of the world believes the USA is the biggest threat to world peace. There maybe some truth to that, the Pentagon recognizes over 870 U S military bases on foreign soil, not including the 150 in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why is this necessary? China does not feel the need to have foreign military bases, and they are managing just fine. Empires fall and so will we if we continue on this course.

      • Tazio2013

        Outstanding reply to faux-american and his ilk; you stated the truth better than I could! It’s encouraging that on a white wing website such as this one there are at least nine of US; i.e., you, me, TIME, Eric Bischoff, JRC, Craig, Dave Gross, soldier and Al Sieber, who are apparently open-minded, clear-thinking, freedom-loving to the degree necessary to understand the big picture of how we have been manipulated and exploited by the war-mongering, xenophobic, glenn beck/fox noise-following, christian zionist, military “intelligence” security technology or MIST complexers who are under the command and control of the very very few NWO/GPE/PTB types. The Revolution will be televised. Semper fi!

      • Sea Captain

        Carole Howell, You are wide awake. ty

      • Eric Bischoff

        Well said Carole.

      • Granny Mae

        I’m guessing that you all are as full of crap as a Christmas Turkey !

      • Jeep

        Carole, way to stand with Pelosi, Kerry and Oman (“our soldiers are air raiding villages” and terrorizing innocent people”). Good job, you nut. Go back to your conspiracy hole and curl up.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Most of these nations certainly do not treat their Jewish populations well and they treat their Christian populations even worse. In most of the Muslim countries it is a capital offence (death penalty) to convert to Christianity or Judaism or to attempt to convert someone to Christianity or Judaism. But, it’s not a capital offense to kill a Christian or a Jew. Good Lord, man, the vast majority of Muslim nations are downright barbaric!

      • Al Sieber

        Tazio2013, stick to your beliefs.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        No, they’re not chickens. Soldiers are trained to do their job and obey their commanders. There are very few among our military that lack courage. They, however, like most of the rest of the average people in this nation cannot see the truth. They are too busy trying to stay alive and get home alive to worry about politics. It’s We the People that are going to have to get this thing turned around.

      • JC

        Agreed. Supporting the Troops doesn’t necessarily mean supporting the war(s) either.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Agreed.

    • Bob

      All of you Rambos that think war is glamorous should go enlist.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        And that’s the truth! But, I don’t believe most of these people believe that war is glamorous. Most of them, as far as I can tell, want us to bring our troops home and stop sacrificing a generation of fine young people for profit.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Bob: Most of us had. many of us are veterans of previous and current conflicts and understand the sacrafice we and our predecessors made to keep America free. That freedom allows you to spout off your anti-American retoric without getting your head cut off, as it would in those 3rd World Hell Hole countries you defend.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Gunner689__Well said!

  • Dave Gross

    War is the answer to any problem. We do not win any wars anymore. The war on drugs is a failure with billions wasted. The Korean war never really ended and we still decades later are facing off with them and no wonder they hate us. The war on terror has been mostly a boondoggle that has got us tied down in a not win effort in the Middle East. If our military was not so big maybe we would think twice about all these wars we cannot win.

    • soldier

      Wars are not won now for the same reason that the race war can never end and be over with (the so-called post racial America). Elitists’ livlihoods depend on war and division. An end to war and such things as racism means they are put out of steady fat pay checks. Did you actually ever beleive that the drug war could be won? It can’t possibly be won as long as we secretely fund the drug cartels.

      • Al Sieber

        solider, couldn’t of said it better.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Yes and if I may add. The Taliban as much as we like to hate them and for good reasons had managed to wipe out the poppy cultivation but now under our protectorate it is now in full force and bigger than ever. How do we explain that? Maybe Michael Ruppert of From The Wilderness was right. Maybe the CIA has a mandate to keep it alive and well as the cash from that endeavour all ends up fueling Wall St and they would crash should we legalize it and change the flow of money. The bankers certainly are in bed with all of this. After all we are talking about hundreds of billions.

      • james

        Eric where in the world did you get your information about the poppy feilds? YOU ARE WRONG! Over 20 years ago the U.S. was paying the Taliban for the poppy fields and then burning them! Of course they would just replant them and we would buy and burn them again. We were doing that to try and stop the supply of dope. But to say the Taliban was the reason for the decrease of the poppys is just not true. Why would they do away with all that money we were giveing them? You need to check your sorces before you state something as fact! And not just beleive everything you read.

      • Bob

        James you are 100% wrong about the poppy fields. Heroin was almost done in this country but is now making a comeback. Put 2 and 2 together.

      • mickey

        You can search for obama and poppy fields. Also, there was another article that substantiated this that was very good but I lost the link. I think the new economy is drugs. there is more out there on Clinton and Arkansas about drugs. Is it any wonder that AZ is now another drug problem with no resolution coming out of the WH?

      • JC

        Some of the Canadian troops in Afghanistan have been directed to avoid the poppy fields…don’t ask, don’t tell.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        That’s a really good point. The answer is that it keeps some of the locals on our side if we let them continue to pollute the western nations with heroin. It’s a bit hypocritical, isn’t it. I say, get our troops out of there now. Might not hurt to poison the poppy fields on the way out.

      • Keeper

        There reason is to parts. As long as they keep the drugs moving and the money coming they can fund other agendas like maybe the take over of the U.S.A. then other countries. and the second part is it is easier to mentally control people when they are drugged out and in need of them. Drug up people do not have a clue on whats really being taken from them. like freedom, the right to grow and prosper, and every other right given to us by God… The right of there children to grow up healthy instead of terrorizing good honest hard working people. They want what you have and hate you for your hard work to obtain it. and for drugs they will kill you over it.. These people are already dead and being used and the government is aware of its works and continues.

      • Bob

        Simple solution. Anyone caught smuggling drugs should be executed like they do in countries that don’t have our problem.

      • Ellen

        Agree.

      • Halbert

        soldier

        The funding of the cartels is from America’s drug addiction.

        That isn’t a very good secret.

        The cartels are like the gangs during prohibition. They are providing the contraband American’s want.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        True. But as long as the powers that be continue to rule, things will continue as they are until the End.

      • dan az

        the more they try to stop it the more the profits gain.

    • William Darling

      I think you all sound too young to recognize one simple fact about war in today’s era–we no longer wage war to win, but to continue it. The last war we were in that we wanted to win was WWII, and it was run on the principle of ending it. The only way to truly end a war is through attrition–kill your enemy by any and all means available until either he is ready to quit to ensure his survival or he is dead! And, unfortunately, we don’t have leaders with the brains or the balls to follow this path anymore!

      • s c

        William, this approach is known as ‘perpetual war for perpetual peace.’ It combines a continual redistribution of wealth scheme with the abuse and manipulation of those who confuse patriotism with sacrifice. Americans have been asleep for far too long.
        The world’s puppet masters know they can push a few buttons, and our “leaders’ will demand that we sacrifice once again. How long do you think a continual war strategy would last if our so-called ‘leaders’ were forced to ‘volunteer’ to go fight those damned wars?

      • eddie47d

        You should have been screaming against these wars since before Vietnam. These useless,senseless attacks on the rational of the human spirit takes the world nowhere. Our integrity slides back the more we advance our incursions and war making abilities.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        The powers that be don’t want to end wars, they’re too lucrative. There’s a tremendous amount of money to be made from war. Also, it keeps us focused on something else other than the creeping tyranny of the elite few.

    • slickporsche

      Maybe if Washington would allow our military to do its thing, and fight for only one thing, (victory) we could win a war. McCrystal got fed up,spoke his mind got fired. We need to fight in Afghanistan, like we have nothing in mind, but destroying the enemy, no matter where he is.

    • Granny Mae

      Dave , My opinion on all these wars , and not being able to win them is this. We fight what we can see and strike out at words and actions here and there instead of stoping first to ponder where and why it all started in the first place. Then you attack the source, not necessarily where all the action is ! The US tries to be everything to everyone and that is impossible. Some will like what we do and some will not. You just can’t please everyone all the time !

  • soldier

    I wonder if congress will at least declare war this time?

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Probably not, unless they believe their Big Business supporters can make money off of it.

  • Chris C.

    Wow. Sounds like a good time to be an arms dealer!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Gotta go to sleep. have to be up at six. nite all!

    • dan az

      Latter Joe

  • dan az

    Joe H
    I think I know what the terrorist trigger is know,It will be the first bomb dropped by israel then all hell is going to break loose here with the sleeper cells activated we are going to have our hands full.Marshal law invoked war breaking out on all sides and in this coutry to boot.what do you think?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      dan,
      do they have a choice?? Hell, I’m worried about Iran getting the nuke and they aren’t as close as illinois is to me. I also worry about N. Korea getting a intercontinental delivery system!! when the USSR was in a cold war with us, at least they feared retalitary strikes. Iran would welcome them as it would hasten the end times and their virgins. N. Korea’s leader is feared to be on the edge of insanity. would you have either of these countries be a “super” power??

      • s c

        Joe H, there are always choices. Sadly, North Korea and Iran are headed toward the same destination, though they’re taking different paths. North Korea will get there via atheism. Iran will get there via religious extremism and an unhealthy dose of madness via Hitler’s obsession with all Jews.
        North Korea claims they’re still ‘at war’ with us. Iran has blended Mein Kampf with what they see as an infallible “faith.” I can almost understand the North Korea’s paranoia. Iran, on the other hand, winks at Hitler’s satanic agenda and dares to take religious ‘purity’ to a new, unexplored dimension. Interesting times ahead for the world, Joe H.

      • Tazio2013

        For all you crusading christian conservatives out there in your bubble of ignorance, here is a quote from Protagoras (circe 450 b.c.e.), pre-Socratic philosopher famous for his axiom: “Man is the measure of all things.”

        “About the gods, I cannot say, either they are or they are not, nor how they are constituted in shape. There is so much that prevents knowledge of this kind: the unclarity of the subject on the shortness of human life.”

        And, if you must reply, try to make an intelligent reply and spare US your usual christian zionist, white wing wacko, regurgitated nonsense.

        Wake up sheeple; it’s the fewer than 1/10,000 of 1% of the NWO/GPE/PTB types vs the rest of US!

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Tazio2013… You are rude. Christians are not so different from you. We strive for the best and use the Bible as our standard. It’s obvious you are clueless to what is in the Bible but gain your insight from other sources.

      • American

        You believe there is no truth or substance to the Bible or the teachings of Christ yet you believe in what a “philosopher” has to say? How smart is that? Philosophy is nothing more than opinion. Also, was he not speaking of “gods” meaning the hundreds of false gods worshipped by all peoples of the world before Jesus Christ was born? You’re out of your element here. You really ought not speak before knowing what you’re talking about…it shows your ignorance and stupidity.

      • TIME

        Tazio,

        I understand where your going with your post, 99% of it I agree with you, I just think you need to curb the pattern to get more folks to understand what your saying.

        Folks, he is 100% right on this topic, Iran is no threat to us in any way shape or form. Nor for that matter is North Korea.

        Let me explain this better so its very clear whats being said.

        The facts are very obvious that in Iran the vast majority of people don’t like the radicals in power, as well they feel a strong conection to a “FREEDOM” based governments, not the oppressive radical form they now have.

        If we advance on IRAN we will consolidate the country rather than divide it from within as noted by Tazio, there is only a very small group that controls IRAN now, yet there are vast numbers who oppose this radical gang who has stolen control of the country.
        As well this vast amount of people also understand that the alledged election was 100% rigged.

        Thus if we just stand back and let them have at it themselfs what they now have as a government will fail in time.
        So lets not give them any reason to see it differantly, think of it as when we went to war in 1776 how would it have worked out if the Spanish invaded us at the same time. {{Thats just an example}} I am not saying that the Spanish were going to do so.

        Do we all really want to follow the NWO, One World Government never ending war theory?

        If you really think thats a good idea, then your part of the problem and as well your not really a Christian now are you?

      • JRC

        You are right,
        Religion was invented by men on a power trip to control the superstitious masses. The bible is a “”selective”" collection of unsubstantiated fictional stories. Most of them are plagiarized from ancient pagan texts that existed long, long before Christianity or Judaism..those texts are available and they are hard facts.Anyone that has an open mind without religious blinders can research them. It is only the brainwashed sheep that can’t see the truth. Unfortunately, Religion will be the end of humanity. Religion divides and will be the cause for an all out war between the zealot factions. The christian death wish of rapture will happen, just not like they have envisioned.

      • Ellen

        When you really have nothing noteworthy to contribute — Attack.

      • TIME

        JRC,
        Please don’t confuse my post with I don’t believe in God or Christ, I do in fact believe in both and there is enough fact to sustain both.
        If anyone who has seen Christ Shroud walks away unmoved, they are with out a soul. Thats based on pure logic and non emotive factors.

        The point of this blog is starting a WAR with people that we have no business starting a war with, its not about Religion.

      • Loud and Clear

        Tazio2013,

        Religion has two functions:

        1) to control

        2) to kill

        The Bible is just a story, not unlike like Grimms Fairy Tales. There are morals taught.

      • pappy

        There is nothing wrong with being Christian and living by the bible.
        Trouble is many try to shove their beliefs into law and many more just talk about the Bible and do not practice it.
        We have a Christian Taliban in this country.Trying to impose their will on everyone and I for 1 am not having it

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        It’s not the Christians who need to wake up. For us to try to describe what it’s like to know Christ is like trying to describe colors to someone born blind – you have no point of reference. Despite what you obviously believe, you are religious. In our case, we have a relationship with a living Savior. That relationship determines our world view, just like your atheism (or agnosticism) determines yours. So, if we must keep our beliefs out of the conversation, you must do the same. Ergo, there will be no real discussion.

      • Craig

        What North Korea is doing has nothing to do with atheism. Atheism does not tell people how or what to think like most organized religions do. It is simply a lack of belief in infantile god fantasies.

      • Dale on left coast

        Craig . . . athiesm is a RELIGION . . . since you canot Prove the aabsence of God . . . therefore you “Believe” . . . that is a very religeous position . . . believing there is no God.

      • Craig

        No Dale, atheism is not a religion in any sense of the meaning. The onus of proof is on those making the positive claim. I never said god does not exist. I just do not believe those that claim he does. I do not believe. I know for fact that not one of those that claim that god is real has ever produced concrete, objectifiable proof of said existence. Not buying into the claims of god believers is the only logical conclusion, seeing as how those that claim he is real fail to provide proof. And just because you think “believing” is relgious, does not make athesism religious. I believe the starter on my car will start when I want it to, that does not make my starter a religion.

        Don’t get me wrong I am not bashing religions. I do not think religions start wars either. Wars are started in most cases by nutters. But you people that claim atheism or Christinanity start wars are way off base.

      • Larry Gillihan

        There is no such thing as an atheist. Every rational mind in the world knows God exists, but most of them are being deceived by Satan, “the great deceiver” and “the father of lies”. It’s a bit strange that people can accept gods of the sun, moon, trees, rocks, animals or anything else, but will not accept the one, true God. Revelation 12:9 explains that Satan has deceived the whole world. However, only true Christians can see through his deception and lies. The Bible says it is impossible to deceive a true Christian. One who would ridicule that statement is, himself, being deceived. The Bible says when some hear the truth, Satan comes and takes it away, lest they believe it. That’s what’s happening.
        Muslims hate Jesus, therefore Islam is not a religion of God. If it isn’t of God, it is of Satan…there is no middle ground. Obama admitted he is a muslim…what else could “my muslim faith” possibly mean? Muslims have publicly stated many times that their goal is to destroy America and dominate the world. Everything Obama has done is heading us in that direction.
        Do you recall when Obama would not observe the National Day of Prayer, but instead, had a party in the White House for a homosexual group? In muslim countries, homosexuality is a capital crime, yet muslims support Obama. A paradox? No, evidence of Satan’s deception.

      • Craig

        “There is no such thing as an atheist. Every rational mind in the world knows God exists,”

        Yes Larry, contrary to what think there are real atheists, Nobody “knows” god exists, they only think he/she/it does. Knowing requires proof, evidence of said existence. Man has concocted thousands of gods over they years and not one of them has ever been proven to exist. You have a different definition of rational than most people.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Craig, in my journey through life, I was both an atheist and later an agnostic. I spouted the same sad rhetoric to which you now cling. It was rational thinking and logic that actually turned me toward Christ in the beginning, then faith took hold. For you to tell me now that there is no God and no Christ would be more ludicrous than you trying to tell me that there is no sun around which the earth revolves and no moon revolving about our planet. It’s not us who are deceived, but you. But, I will say no more of the matter since this is not the venue for witness, but a discussion about war, Israel, et al.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        You’re wrong, Craig. Just as it takes faith to believe in an omnipotent, loving God and Savior, it takes faith to believe that they he doesn’t exist. Atheists (I used to be one) see mankind or mother earth or some equally assinine entity as the center of their beliefs. There is absolutely no was you can imperically say that there is no God. You might, however, say there is no god “as far as you know.”

      • dan az

        To start with joe who in there right minds would want virgins in the first place thats gota hurt and if I was bordering israel I would running the other way just one degree either way means they miss there target bummer maybe the next one will be right or not. I really have to sleep I’m laughing at my own jokes
        nite all

      • del

        Craig, I have faith that you have a brain. However, I have no tangible proof of this. So one could easily question as to whether or not you do.
        Scientist know what we are made of they say. We are told that we are made from basically dirt. I have plenty of dirt they can use if they ever want to make a person. I don’t see it happening though! I guess we have to have faith in them telling us that we are made from dirt.

    • slickporsche

      Actually it might be a good thing, as people would then revolt and we could win our republic back. It will take an internal war to accomplish that. Our government has gotten very arrogant and pushing all around the globe,as well as at home. We are steadily losing our freedom in the name of such things as safety.

    • Ellen

      A lot of problems could be taken care of if we would just close the borders. Not only Mexicans are crossing the borders. Illegals became criminals when they broke the law by crossing into our country. If you — or I — broke the law we would be subject to penalties for doing so. When the Mexican cartels took over the ranches of two American families the media did not even cover the story. The American Government did nothing to right this outrage. The families had to flee in fear of their lives. Cartels take over the properties of Americans, and America does nothing. Hard to beieve. We have even posted signs in Arizona warning citizens not to enter certain areas because they are dangerous. We have turned these areas over to invaders.

      • THOMAS STEWART

        Miss Ellen There Is One Problem We Have A Inexperienced Empty Suit Little Boy, Without Any Balls, Yikees, Read “The Manchurian Pres Obamacare” Than You Will See That This Longlegged Mack Daddy, Per The Black Rev James D. Manning PhD Google-It And Listen What The USA Tax Payers Are Up Against, Obama Found Guilty Trial, 17 Counts, Yikees. Now You See Why Iran Just Laughs At Our Pres.

      • dan az

        what is yikees?

      • michelleo

        AMEN THOMAS AND THAT’S THE TRUTH

      • magjoh

        I LISTEN TO THIS PROPAGANDA. THIS MAN HAS AN AGENDA. HE IS PROBABLY TRYING TO GET RID OF PRES. OBAMA BECAUSE PREACHERS AND CHURCHES IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SUBJECTED TO THE IRS AND TAXES. HE IS TRYING TO CONVINCE AS MANY PEOPLE HAS HE CAN TO GET HIM OUT OF THERE BEFORE HE HAS TO GIVE IN ACCOUNT ON THIS EARTH OF THE MONEY THAT HE AND HIS CHURCH HAS RECEIVED. THAT IS WHAT A LOT OF PREACHERS ARE TALKING ABOUT.

      • Willie Peet

        Ellen the Mexicans pose NO problem it is the illegal Israelis and Chinese.

    • American Conserative

      I think the opportunity for Obama to declare Marshal Law and suspend November elections and take over the US Government!

    • Granny Mae

      Good guess, That may be why there is such insistance on the building of the Mosque in N.Y.. Would make a great war room to work from HUH ? That thing needs to be stopped at all costs ! In my opinion.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      I don’t know if that will be the scenario, but it’s probably as realistic as any other. But, in the final analysis, the Obamessiah will use any reason he can to declare martial law and take over the country completely.

  • dan az

    not goth =both

  • s c

    America has been a dupe in the redistribution of wealth via ‘international patriotism’ for many years. The world’s master string pullers have been able to pick and choose from an unending list of puppets, including the current denizens of the White House.
    War is a great money maker for central bankers and false religious icons and their chums. It lets them buy votes and pick and choose from an international list of countries to play ‘host’ to the next war(s). It’s entirely possible that a war with Mexico is on the table, done in the name of ‘protecting’ America from the influence of drugs, arms and fast wealth.
    It does seem more than strange, though, since the open borders issue has NEVER been important to our geniuses in Washington. I suppose some will say that Mexico isn’t that far off, so it’s not like we’re involved in another Vietnam (actually, we are, and it’s called Afghanistan).
    If this is the way America will continue to dive into madness, then America is long overdue for a complete overhaul of its leaders and what it takes to get to Washington. How long does it take to understand that it’s not possible to buy leadership or a “good” government?
    When American “leaders” chose to ignore the Monroe Doctrine, a Pandora’s Box was opened. As long as international puppet masters are allowed to pick and choose what America does and where it goes
    to ‘spread democracy,’ we have no choice but to look at America as the world’s ‘cop.’ And, while we can’t yet feel the chains that enslave America, they’re there, and they’re getting heavier every day.

    • Al Sieber

      Afghanistan is Obama’s Vietnam. Iran is not a push over, they have 10,000 “Sunburn Missiles” pointed at Israel and who knows what else. I wonder why Israel never signed the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty? and what’s the Israeli Lobby’s role in this? and what is Israels real relationship with Russia?

      • dan az

        Looks like russia is playing goth sides against the center.guess where they learned that one.

      • Al Sieber

        dan az, weren’t we discussing this very same topic this past weekend?

      • dan az

        hey al
        yep its moving alot faster than I thought

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Al sieber,
        If you were Israiel, would you sign it when almost every middle eastern country wants to see it blasted to glass???

      • Al Sieber

        JoeH, there’s probably few people here that really knows the real story of Israel, and who the Zionists are, and that we have people with dual citizenship running our country. check out the website: iamthewitness. Israel is not who you think they are. I’m done with this comment.

      • Dave

        Nice conspiracy theory. Do you believe everything you read? Why are people so quick to blame Jews for things?

      • Only in America

        Al Sieber, I probably disagree with you more than not, but I agree that things are not how they appear. There are a good number off illegal Israelis and Chinese in the US. They are doing somethings the illegal Mexicans aren’t they are spying and manipulating the government and wall street.

      • kate8

        Dave, it took me a long time to understand this thing about the Zionists. They are not truly of the Jewish people, but are “counterfeit Jews”, if you will.

        Do some research on the House of Rothschild, which began the Zionist movement. Rothschild, aka Braun, are not descended of Jews, but of Edomites. They have always been about wealth and power, and controlling the world through their wealth. They are evil to the core, and are the NWO.

        The Jewish people are not to blame for this. But it’s the Zionists who are in control.

        This is not conspiracy theory. This is known fact. If you care to learn it.

      • vicki

        As a known fact I am sure you can provide links to your research. :)

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I know who Israel is, without a doubt. They are God’s chosen people. And that is why they are constantly under attack and being persecuted, because frankly speaking, just as in the old Biblical times, they are still disobediant to Him. He sent His son, and they rejected him. There are some messianic Jews who now know, but as a whole, they still reject Him who came for them. But God will always save a remnant of them, always. And the minute we turn our back on them, were done. Toast. Finished. And if we do, by the time you figure out I was right, it will be far too late.

      • kate8

        Vicki, I could go back and dig up links for you but, as it was some time ago, I’d have to spend a lot of time finding them.

        What you believe is up to you. If you care enough, you could research it yourself, just as I did. I spent a very long time uncovering this information, because I wanted to know. There is a lot of stuff out there to sift through, and there is still much to learn.

        BTW, where is JeffH? He has many such links. I can always count on him to come to the rescue when someone wants links. Bless him.

      • Vicki

        Thanks Kate8 I will attempt to find out more. I know the problem too cause even though I post links here to backup my points I am very bad about recording them for future debates. I need to make a site or blog or something to keep them in :)

      • libertytrain

        Vicki – if possible for yourself, just open a Word Doc. and post them there – keep it on your desktop so that you can open and add to them easily.

      • Al Sieber

        JoeH, I think every one that has a “Nuke” should be accountable, that’s all. but I guess it doesn’t work like that.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        When it comes to nukes, Israel has the third or fourth largest arsenal in the world. They have an estimated 350 ICBMs – each tipped with MIRVs. In practical terms, they have enough nukes with long enough range to wipe out 90 percent of the Muslim world. Obviously, they don’t want use those nukes unless their existence is threatened. However, if that happens, they have the will to do just that.

      • MsAmericanPatriot

        Why hasn’t Israel signed it? Because they dont want to give up the nukes they have. Thats why.

      • Al Sieber

        MsAmericanPatriot, thank you. if people were to listen to speeches by Mecham Begin, and Ariel Sharon, they would see that Israel wants to rule the world.

      • Verne Simon

        Israel doesn’t want to rule the world. It just wants to maintain its’ own sovereignty within its defined borders. But then I suppose you wouldn’t want you to give up your prejudices for established facts.

      • Al Sieber

        Verne Simon, what the hell are you making this a racial issue for? is that as far as your little mind can think?

      • Keeper

        obama wants to rule the world,

      • Al Sieber

        Good one Keeper.

      • Michael J.

        Al Sieber,
        If Iran gave up the persuit for nukes and Hezbolah stopped revving up the Palestinians to fire missiles into Israel, that would be the end of the violence.
        On the other hand, if Israel were to give up it’s defensive shield of nuclear weapons, that would be the end of Israel.

      • Dave

        The statement that Israel wants to rule the world is ridiculous and ignorant. Judaism is not a race, it’s a religion, so no one is calling you a racist. They’re saying you’re anti-semitic. Unless you want Israel to rule the world then that’s exactly what you are, an anti-semite. Calling you anything else would make me as ignorant as you. Israel is surrounded by enemies. They are only defending themselves. They don’t always make the best decisions but who does?

      • THOMAS STEWART

        Al Sieber Isreal Is Tired Of Other Countries Including USA The Manchurian Pres Obama Whom Is Very Useless, Yikees, He Can Not Tell The Truth And Isreal Has Been Lied Too, So They Can See Thru Our Paperless Pres, Yikees, The USA Needs Isreals Help And Vice-Versa. With The Paperless Pres Obama In Charge Of Our Secrets And In Bed With Every Muslim Country, Yikees, We Our Fighting A War Now With Obama Conditions “If Any Civilians Appear Where We Meet The Taliban, Now Get This, Our Troops Are To Break Contact And Retreat” Yikees, Sarah Palin Has It Right Pres Obama Has No Balls For Anything Military.

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        Isreal? wolves in sheeps colthing? look who controls our elected officals in washington.they are ruling this nation as a colony,via aipac and their lobbist nationwide.keep up the truth AL sieber,its wakeup time.for the american republic.

      • Granny Mae

        Thomas,

        What the HELL did you just say? Man I can’t make hide nor hair of it !

      • Al Sieber

        Dave, who said anything about blaming the Jews? you did. you call me a anti Semite? what is a true Semite? do you believe everything you read? apparently you do. you twist my words, saying I blame the Jews, I never mentioned the Jews, did I? the Jews follow the Torah, the Zionists follow the Talmud, read the Talmud, and go to the website: Jews for the true Torah, and Jews for Jesus Christ. do you know how many Jews are against the state of Israel? I grew up in a Catholic/ Jewish family, and when I was growing up a lot of Jews I knew didn’t want the state of Israel until their true Messiah came. listen to the speeches of Ariel Sharon, and Mecham Begin and read parts of the Talmud before you judge me, maybe then you’ll know who wants to rule the world. and thanks to all of you who understand where I’m coming from, and God bless you.

      • Al Sieber

        Oh yeah Dave, you are ignorant because you don’t do the research, I’m not ignorant because I’m still learning, thirsty for knowledge

      • az

        Can you blame them? Without nucleur weapons Israel would be left totally vulnerable.

      • Al Sieber

        az., no I don’t blame them, it goes farther then we know.

      • JRC

        And all the nuclear weapons will not help them if they attack Iran. Iran today is able with what they have to wipe Israel of the map..if they want too. They can simply overwhelm the Israeli anti missile defense and smother it with biological and chemical weapons. They know that Israel will respond..or will attempt to respond with nukes once the missiles come in, so they will make sure that everyone of those missiles count big time. They have how much 20% enriched Uranium? Load it up and explode it above the cities, who needs a active nuke? It will result in WW-3. To the person above that said we are at WW-V, get you head examined please if you believe skirmishes like Iran, Vietnam or Afghanistan would amount to world wars. They are still nothing but localized events.An all out war with Iran will unite the Muslim nations.
        I personally do NOT share Bob’s vision, Israel and the US under Bush had ample opportunity to attack Iran, they did not…maybe they do realize that any attack would be the destruction of Israel and the Zionist cult (something btw a lot of Jews I know would NOT be sad about). More likely than not, they did and do have information that prevented them from doing it. I an of the conviction that as soon as Israel..and by proxy the US attacks Iran, Iranian commandos in the US will start to destroy our infra structure, power, water, bridges, interstates, airports. It will result in an inability of the government to supply the citizens in the US with food and essential services…resulting in rioting and millions of death. My advice to all of you, be prepared, not only weapons and ammunition, but more importantly being able to supply your kin with food, clean water and shelter so you can survive the coming destruction of the US.

      • Bob

        The Israeli spies the Rosenbergs stole our atomic secrets and gave them to Israel and Russia. Fortunately the law had them electrocuted.

      • dan az

        JRC
        I think where on the same page I said the same thing somewhere else here.I think the terrorist that are here will get there trigger call by the bombing of iran then marshal law and the un troops make there move its happening way to fast but I’m ready and have been for awhile now.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        How could they give them up? That would be insanity. Suicide is more like it. That is the only thing keeping these Arab terrorists from dropping one, is that they know without a doubt that Israel would annihilate them. And they know that God’s hand will always be upon Israel and will never let them be depleted all the way. The remnant will always remain. Count on it.

      • jimminety bop

        For all of those that left a post injecting God and what he will and won’t do in to these discussions I ask – Why do you even bother to talk about it, worry about what will happen, who will kill who. You only die once and if you believe all that you preach then you should have no problem with you or any of your loved ones dying ’cause you, like these crazy ass muslims, believe that you are going to a better place. Sure you do, No one wants to think that once your eyes close that that’s it. If bad happens there has to be a reason and if there is a bad then there must be a good! hey, shit happens!
        Check your history and you will find that most of the world’s wars and trouble stemmed from differences between one organized religion against another.
        Who’s right and who is wrong? I for one think that we are more alone than any of you really want to face up to.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        What a hopeless life you must live jimity cricket. To figure you come here, live, die, get buried and thats it? Whats the use then? I know I for one would see no point in living if that was the case. I hope someday your eyes and ears get opened, and when you look at the mountains and the seas, and the plants and the skies, the birds and animals, that you will see the Hand that created all of them. Until then, you wont know. You will have no hope or cause.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Would you want to give up the very thing that, from a temporal point of view, guarantees their existence? I wouldn’t sign it either. No one else is going to guarantee their peace, including the USA; especially with a closet Muslim in the White House.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Like it or not the Jews are God’s chosen people. In my opinion the real Jews live in Israel while the ones here are whantabes. Most of them vote Democrate, which is suicidal to their cause. Look at Moe-Bamma’s buddy, Ram Emanuel. I think America has one foot in the grave with our legal endorcement of abortion. If we turn against Israel God may really turn His back on us.

      • Bob Wire

        >Afghanistan is Obama’s Vietnam.<

        In the sense Vietnam was Nixon's I suppose.

        To The administrations credit ~ a military solution was attempted with arms and manpower buildup. Obama has been pragmatic realist in regards to Afghanistan

        To avoid repeating an "end game" Dunkirk withdrawal, the buildup was necessary, win, lose or draw.

        In today world, any "checkmate" military solution is most difficult to achieve, regardless how powerful our toys.

        The two most recent victories that come to mind.

        Berlin,~ US troops coming in from the west and Russians from the east of a bombed city ~ and the German Supreme command falls on it's own sword.

        or ~ after a hard fought battles of island jumping ~ and the nuking of cities ~ It took a fly over of Tokyo with every Allied aircraft they could muster and put in the air, over a thousand plane , to get Japan to surrender.

        So ~ unless you are willing to kill everything that moves or grows,women ,childern, to lay waste to churches, temples, history museums, art centers, infrastructure, military solutions are few and far between.

        This leaves us to seek political solutions and containment ~ while this fail to offer us much glory or satisfaction, we need to get better at it and learn to live with it.

        These "enemies" will fall from "within" given the time. ~

        Our job is to not fall from "within" first.

      • Larry Gillihan

        Bob: It wasn’t a thousand planes that made Japan surrender, it was two bombs, one on Hiroshima, the other on Nagasaki. They wouldn’t even surrender after Hiroshima, and Nagasaki had to be bombed before they would.
        Few people seem to be aware that our problem is Satan. Obama is just a “tool” Satan is using to destroy the greatest Christian nation that has ever existed on the earth, as well as the most powerful. The only hope America has is to turn back to God as a nation, but they’re not going to do that as long as we have this crooked government and president.

      • THOMAS STEWART

        Larry Gillihan Right-On Our Manchurian Muslim Pres Obama Has No Power, Only Inexperienced For This Office, Yikees, Bully Pulpit The Joker Pres Is A Laugher With All Countries Like Iran, Afghanistan, Russia And China, Etc.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        In as much as Israel is constantly persecuted for being dis-obediant to God, the United States is entering that field, where we are going to keep having problem after problem, for our own disobediance. We are the largest Christian nation in the world, and we elect un-godly men who take us down ungodly paths. We murder children in mothers wombs. We promote perverted sex between the same sex and try to present it as normal, when its not, its an abomination to God. It says so right in the Word for crying out loud. We kick the name Jesus to the curb, but allow teaching of Muhammed, Buddism, Islam, and other false religions in colleges and some schools. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see and understand, that God isnt happy with this. Those that dont know Him, dont understand this, but to us whom the cross has opened our eyes and ears, we all hear it and see it all too clearly, and its a sad thing watching this country go down the tubes because mere men think they know better. Thats the bottom line.

      • Bob Wire

        Well, actually no, the bombing alone did not perpetuate a surrender.

        It took the fly-over. ~ The display ~ of what Allied Forces could still get into the air and willing to waste fuel on, telling the Japanese People , “Greeting from Uncle Sam”, we control your sky’s” and there could be “no doubt” in anyone’s mind it being a FacT! No amount of propaganda could change the visual image of a thousand Allied planes flying low and slow over Tokyo.

        Much like the Nazi Tank Commander that realized Germany was doomed when he was going though the personal effect of a dead American GI, and found candy sent to a PFC by his mother. If America still had the ability and capacity to transport a box of candy thousands of miles for a PFC, the “end game” was clear, as the German people suffered so and had given their all to the war effort.

      • bilbo81670

        Bob Wire says:
        August 10, 2010 at 1:45 am-Actually is was only 400 bombers that flew over in the day. Another 300 went at night and the total of over 1000 planes includes all support and fighter aircraft. The bombings were already planned before the atomic bombs were dropped. Probably the most influential bombing was done on 8-13-45. They dropped propaganda. When the government learned what the populace had gleaned from this, they knew it was either surrender or a coup.

      • dini

        i dont get why they dont disable them with a nuke explosion in the upper atmosphere, when they fully know they know they can do that here as soon as they can get it here. they dontr need to youch land and we cxould not fight back. so we need to just do it first.

      • Fighter Pilot

        Would you sign the treaty if you were Isreal???

      • Al Sieber

        F.P., it’s Pakistan we have to worry about, Iran is years away from a “Nuke”. I think everyone should sign that treaty, no exceptions.

      • 1minuteman

        i saw an interview the other day on pj tv with an american scientist that worked on the origonal atomic bomb and he said plain and simple iran has probably quite a few nukes by now so i dont get where you think they are years away from having one. when we fought the first iraq war we thought they were not working on a nuke only to find they were 6 months away from having one. iran i s the number one sponsor of terror in the world. they are also harboring alqueda who last time i looked were trying to kill us. dont get me wrong i hate obama but if iran suddenly disapeared i would sleep alot better.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Pakistan is not our friend, and either is Saudi Arabia. They are both dirty and reek of anti U.S. sentiment. Those damn Saudi’s fund most of this terrorist crap, while we sit there and protect them for the oil. I say lift the veil, let them fall, then go in there and take the stinking oil, and ask if any of the rest of them have any questions. But what do I know, I just think of our country first when it comes to those that want to destroy us.

      • Al Sieber

        1minuteman, it was on 60 minutes,Iran years away from a “Nuke”.

      • American Conserative

        The Lord God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob explains in Ezekiel chapters 38 & 39 Israel’s relationship with Russia.

    • Ellen

      Great post. Sadly — you are right

  • Al Sieber

    So it’s history repeating it self, again.

    • dan az

      Sounds like world war three

      • http://www.PureHeartsInternational.com Geoff Pace

        WW III ? You’re behind the times, man! More like WWW V. We’ve had Vietnam, and Gulf War Parts I & @ in the interim. What makes a war a WORLD war? Simple. When you involve the WHOLE world in your quest for domination. At this rate, we WILL owe Japan an apology! And it won’t be just Obama-ites who will do it! It will be ourselves crying “Uncle” as the Third World countries amass themselves and gain audience at our doors as they are doing at this very moment to the South West for starters!Unless Providence has mercy on we the sinners, our Goose is Cooked!
        (POST SCRIPT: Do see any mention of the likes of a great “Isle of the Sea” from our hemisphere of the world made mention of in the Bible during this final battle?…didn’t think so…)

      • Mike

        Hey Geoff, First of all get your name changed, please. It tells your sad story before your even begin. You are off the pace buddy. I think you should use something like G.Iamsodumb, it has a nice ring to it, don’t you think? Oh! that’s right, you don’t because you hold on to your myopic like a baby bottle, there… there… everything is going to be alright, just go back to sleep. But first let me help you. First..YES We Have always been At War, SINCE the beginning because the world has always been mostly full of dumb bells like yourself who cannot understand that the (globalist) elite want to use everyone who is willing, as Donkeys while they make lots of MONEY and live the life of Riley while others go off to die “for the cause” because war is hot and heavy. You never see the elite running out into the street with guns do you? Our politicians have learned how to manipulate us and the system, so they can steal from us, keeping the TAXPAYER under their boot heel. As long as the printing presses keep running off Monopoly money everyone is happy when they are exchanging this worthless paper for Gold. Problem is all the giveaways will become go-aways when there are no jobs to feed the donkeys.

      • Loto

        Mike, please make your point without attacking people. It’s not necessary and he has as much right to his opinion as you do – whether you agree with it, or not! Just make your point and go about your business. It is further unecessary to dis someone else’s name – makes you seem immature and trite. Peace!

      • http://Google Emilio

        Excelent coment, almost everything been said, the Mosquitos will continue to suck until there is noire blood. Good day.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Mike, we have always been at war, because the only way to peace is through force. Thats it. You will not get peace with diplomacy. You will not get peace with pacifism and appeasement. You only gain peace through force, and that is the way it has always been, and they way it always will be, until the end of this life on earth. Get used to it. If your not willing to fight for your freedom, I guarantee you, you will not have it long.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Mike, I tend to agree with most of what you said. However, what did Geoff say that set you off so?

      • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

        Hey Mike.. I totally agree with youand appreciate the clrity in which you stated the current (and historic) state of affairs. However I don;t really understand the attack on Geoff, but what the hell.
        Now..

        Beberoni.. you can only get peace through force?? WTF!!!! Obviously you’ve never tried to get a kid to eat something they don’t want.. I made my kid eat a chinese dinner she ordered while we were in Disney Land.(read expensive) As she finished it she gave me this look like there was a demon lurking beneath that angelic exterior and proceeded to puke 5 times what she ate all over the table.. yeah I won that round. Sorry Beberoni.. you are so wrong with that assessment. I know it’s a popular one and people have been trying since the beginning of time to dominate by force.. England tried with the States..but show me where it’s ever worked in history. Negotiation has never worked because negotiation was never tried honestly.. It’s typically tried when there is a less powerful group giving a dominant group a real hard time… then the dominant group says “let’s negotiate” hoping to screw the less powerful group under the guise of diplomacy.. look at the US government and the native americans or Israel and Palestine. No Beberoni..that mind set just sucks you into the dominant model the NWO people would love to have you believe..like when they’re using it on others you don’t agree with… however, you’re opinion will change….specially when they come to use force on you.

      • bilbo81670

        Duende says:
        August 10, 2010 at 2:37 pm-I do believe you have a major flaw in your logic. Every major conflict in the history of mankind has either been solved by violence or the threat of violence. Negotiations won’t work if you can’t back them up.

      • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

        bilbo81670

        You say we’ve resolved conflicts with war? We’ve been in one conflict going to another.. we label some of those moment as being world wars or korean wars or what ever but it’s just one continuous conflict with threads from one being taken into the tapestry of the next. The whole mode of thought that we can achieve peace through war is incorrect. One of these days when there’s nothing but nuclear wasteland and people are trying to catch 7 legged rabbits we may get the message that it didn’t work. Wasn’t Christ trying to tell us that? (for the most part). He had two commandments.. love god and love each other. Some will try to distort that and try to convince you war is love, but not on my watch.

      • Michael J.

        Duende,
        To your comment on negotiating peace, I have a two word response, Neville Chamberlain.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        In response to duende. Compare apples to apples please. Im talking about world peace. Peace between warring nations. Im not talking about feeding your kid cats and dogs. You want to feed your kid chinese food, great, go for it. But dealing with your kid, and getting them to understand peace, just isnt the same as trying to get Adoph Hitler, Saddam Hussein, or Islamic terrorist to understand. You cannot deal with them. You cannot talk with them. You cannot barter with them. You either stand back and let them punch you in the nose continually, ala Bill Clinton, or you man up, kick their butt, and hit them with the door on their way out. Thats it man. There is no other way to peace. In all the nations of the world that have had conflict, peace only came through the force of war. You can stick your head in the sand and act like its not true, but sorry pal, you cannot change facts or history. Thats how it is. But you totally turned my statements around, like a good liberal. Have a good day.

      • Tom Greco

        Their is much in the bible regarding the U.S. and England, and others. You need to find the 10 lost tribes. Hint..they are the “People of Omri”
        Named after one of their last Kings. Scotland has a supporting document saying “WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO CROSSED THE RED SEA” Also read Jerimiah, He took the top leaves of the cedar tree and went North and went West.(NW) Check out Midnight call ministries and the Real Truth ministries. Don’t get crazy, our relationship to Christ is the main thing and the plain thing.

      • jimminety bop

        Hey Geoff, I don’t know about you but I am tired of being the nice guy. I am sick and tired of pouring money and man power in to every country but our own. I am tired of fighting limited wars.
        If you and anyone else thinks that we should bring all the troops home, I can go along with that. BUT then we should tell the entire world that we are doing so, and from now on we will mnd our own business BUT if there is one act of aggression against any American interest we will unleash the dogs of war without regard to who we kill.
        I, for one, am sick of seeing this country groveling and crawling because if we do this then so and so may do that. The hell with THEM!
        I would rather take my chance at standing up on my hind legs so that I could live in peace and if I die in that attempt then I have at least done my best, I have tried. Give Me Liberty oor Give Me death may not be such a bad policy.
        But maybe, Geoff, you would rather kiss anyone’s butt just so you could live and take up space that would be better serve mankind if it were occupied by someone with guts!
        You disgust me!

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        It’s time to bring our troops home. It’s time that they stopped dying for people who primarily could care less. Those people have been at war with one another for 4,000 years and it’s not going to end until God calls an end to time. I absolutely do not trust our government to have our best interests or the best interests of our young men and women in the armed forces at heart. Yes, bring them home then tell the rest of the world that if they don’t leave us alone that we can and will make them glow for a thouseand years or so.

      • American Citizen

        Can anyone name a treaty that any of those warmongering countries like Russia have kept? I don’t trust China either. Our present president shows what we have become in relation to countries that don’t have our best interests at heart. I wish someone had kicked his butt when he had it in the air.

      • Vippy

        Buts is associated with being a bully? We are the bully in the world and we don’t spread democracy for we don’t have it at home. We are creating terrorists as we go. Do you really think killing someone’s family gains us admiration and friends? And do tell me why we fought in Iraq or for that matter in Afghanistan or Vietnam, what did we gain? And no one had attacked us.

      • Willie Peet

        The two contenders should duke it out.

        We should leave it alone.

      • kate8

        What could be more perfect for Obama and his NWO handlers than to send all of our troops off fighting foreign wars, out of their way and getting slaughtered, while Obama completes the dismantling of our nation here at home. With our military otherwise occupied, and ever-increasing numbers of foreign troops on US soil (answering to Obama) and waiting for orders, not to mention a thoroghly despirited, discouraged and disenfranchised citizenry…we’re ripe for the picking, so to speak.

        I have no doubt that some kind of havoc is being planned for us here in America. After all, our Muslim usurper and his pal Imadinnerjacket have been looking forward to this opportunity. I don’t doubt for one moment that all the leaders, on all sides, are in on it.

      • http://Google Emilio

        Why blaming Obama for whatever happens to our Country, Just happens that until yesterday no boddy new who Obama was, now poor Obama is getting the blame for whatever is hapening, does some foues, ever got lucky enogh to go to kinder Garden? Cause there we received the most basic par of our education, obviously many did not have the chance to be in Kinder……., good bye.

      • Beepster

        Obama is blamed because he says one thing and does another. HE is SUPPOSED to be the leader of this country. He’s not. His strings are being pulled by George Soros.

      • barbm

        Why (are you) blaming Obama for whatever happens to our (c)Country,(?) Just happens that until yesterday (nobody) no boddy (knew) new who Obama was, now poor Obama is getting the blame for whatever is (happening) hapening,(.) (do) does some (God only knows what this is supposed to be – folks, maybe?)foues, ever (get) got lucky (enough) enogh to go to (kindergarten) kinder Garden? (Because)Cause there we received the most basic (part) par of our education,(.) obviously many did not have the chance to be in (k)Kinder……., good bye.

        Emilio, where did you get your education? Not only are you defending an idiot, you can’t do it with proper English, punctuation, grammar, or spelling.

      • vicki

        Most of us learned about Obama 2+ years ago. Hardly “yesterday” in human terms. Now in cosmic terms the entire planet has not even been here since “yesterday”

      • jimminety bop

        Yeah Emile, and you sound like you were one of them!

      • http://yahoo.com Gisela

        Emilio would you please read up on Obama. He is not what he seems but he sure has a lot of people fooled including you.Please educate yourself about him you will change your mind.

      • mikey

        What the hell is that gibberish? What you posted made no sense at all.

      • Robert

        Until yesterday no body knew who obama was??? He’s been in office for almost 2 years, has been mocked, ridiculed and derided by all governments of this earth as a total farce, the laughing stock of the world of polotics.
        Emilio, get your head out of his ass long enough to fing out the truth of what the world really thinks about obama, “The Chosen One”. he’s a lAUGHING STOCK.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I wont blame him fur huked on fonics not wurking fur you.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And right now, if what he has done isnt bad enough allready, he has Gates closing down the major military command center in Norfolk, and using as an excuse that they are trimming the budget. Sorry, but you dont cut down the military and intelligence when your under attack by terrorists coming out of the woodwork. Look what happened when Bill Clinton did this same thing. They blew up the basement of the World Trade Centers the first time. They blew up the USS Cole. They blew up and dropped the World Trade Centers, pretty much because they were allowed to roam free and set up their plans because Clinton cut our intelligence and military in half, to cook the books and tell everyone how wonderfully he was balancing the budget with smoke and mirrors. Well, thats what you get with these guys, and they are going to make it happen to us again. By the time we vote them out in 2012, something will be pretty close to going kaboom, and the liberal press will blame the next one in office, which will be someone of a different party than democrat, because they have really screwed up bad this time. Shame on them.

      • Kinetic1

        Funny then that the Bush administration was warned about Osama bin Laden when they took over, and that they seem to have chosen to ignore the PDB about the attacks. The failure to act on information leading up to 9/11 was not Clinton’s. Within his first month or two in office, Bush had abandoned peace talks in the middle east and in North Korea. This was the beginning of heightened tensions in both regions. Richard Clarke’s warnings about al-Qaeda were ignored and his position was downgraded. CIA chiefs George Tenet and James Pavitt also warned the Bush administration about al-Qaeda and were also ignored. Tenet then warns the Senate Intelligence Committee that al-Qaeda is “the most immediate and serious threat” to national security. A proposal for a cabinet level Department of Homeland Security is suggested and the administration does nothing.

        Skip forward to April, when the Bush administration finally holds its first deputy secretary-level conference on terrorism. Deputy Defense Secretary Wolfowitz “scoffs” at focusing on al-Qaeda. He’s certain they are under Iraq’s control, besides which he is busy having 600,000 military berets destroyed because they were made in China.

        It’s May and “disregarding the Hart-Rudman report on terrorism, Bush announces that Vice President Cheney will study the issue and that anti-terrorism will be handled by the Office of National Preparedness, under FEMA – but at the same time, Bush proposes to cut $200 million from FEMA’s budget.” What was that about Clinton cutting funds and leaving us unprepared?

        Moving on, “during Bush’s August vacation, alarmed officials at the CIA sent a group of analysts to Crawford to speak directly to the president on the threat of a terrorist attack. Bush was not impressed. After the briefing, he scornfully told one of the CIA men “All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.” Minneapolis FBI agents working on the Moussaoui case warn FBI Headquarters that al-Qaeda may be planning to hijack a plane overseas and then use it to attack Washington. French intelligence informs the FBI that the arrested flight school student Moussaoui has “Islamic extremist beliefs.” FBI investigators working on the case begin to suspect that Islamists could be planning a terrorist attack involving hijacker-pilots seizing control of airliners – in a memo to FBI Headquarters one of the Minneapolis agents writes that he wanted to make sure that Moussaoui “did not take control of a plane and fly it into the World Trade Center.”

        How does the Bush administration respond? Come early September, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld threatens to urge a veto if the Senate diverts $600 million from missile defense to counter-terrorism. Attorney General Ashcroft rejects a proposed $58 million increase in FBI counterterrorist funding, instead suggesting a $65 million dollar CUT in local counterterrorism funding. And “After being ignored for weeks, California Senator Feinstein contacts Vice President Cheney’s office to check on the status of urgent proposals for counterterrorism reforms that she submitted on JULY 20. An aide tells her that it could take Cheney another six months to get around to reviewing the material.”

        These are the actions taken by the BUSH administration leading up to 9/11. There is no doubt that the FBI failed on many levels, but this was not due to budget cuts. They had the information, but chose to ignore it over and over. What information did make it’s way to the White House (and clearly there was plenty) was also ignored. The Clinton administration warned the incoming administration about bin Laden from day one. The FBI was aware of the movements of the hijackers months before 9/11. There were warnings that the FBI was not capable of dealing with terrorism. Noting was done for 9 months, despite all the warnings. 9/11 belongs to Bush.

      • Michael J.

        Kenetic1,
        Do you use kenetic energy to move the keys without actually touching them? Because if not, your fingers must be mighty sore after such a long post.

        But seriously though, Obama is now president, not Bush. You should focus your investigative prowess on the current administration, or does your super kenetic googling skills only function in left wing mode? In other words, do your skills parallel your ideology or are you interested in pursuing the truth wherever it might lead?
        Set your sights on the current POTUS and you will find a target rich environment.

      • Kinetic1

        Michael J,
        Sorry about the length of my post, I’m just tired of hearing about 9/11 being all Clinton’s fault.
        As for President Obama, I voted for him, I support some of what he has done and I am disappointed in others. I never expect an elected official to be everything advertised, but I had really hoped to see certain things done that have not come to pass. Needless to say, my concerns are likely different than many others on this sight and I do not hold the view that this has all been an elaborate plot 50 years in the making. Still, I do keep an eye on what is going on and look for answers when I have questions. I’m not always pleased, but I continue to look.

      • Michael J.

        Kenetic1,
        Sounds like buyers remorse, will you vote for him again?

      • Sea Captain

        Bush can have his other son Jeb continue the contract on America

      • Kinetic1

        Michael J,
        As with most elections, it will depend on who’s running. I’d like to vote for a third party, but I can’t run the risk of another Bush in the White House. I sure would like to see instant runoff instituted. For those who don’t know (though I doubt there are many) this would allow you to pick your first and second choice. Should you take a chance and vote your conscience, no problem. If your 3rd party candidate looses, your vote goes to you alternate. Now Nader or Perot can run without mucking things up!

      • Patsy Cochran

        Kinetic, I hate to burst your bubble, but a good portion of the 9-11 attack does belong to Clinton. While he was in office he had several opportunities to capture bin Laden and did not take them. I believe the number of times he actually had opportunity was six. He CHOSE not to capture him and I believe the reason has to do with the fact that bin Lade comes from a very powerful family in Saudi Arabia. Several of the times that he had opportunity was when he(Clinton) was being publicly attacked for his licentious behavior. So much of Clinton’s time in office was taken up by his lying presense before a grand jury and subsequent impeachment that he did not have time for national security. Even after the attack on the USS Cole and we lost American lives Clinton was pretty much impotent and did next to nothing about the attack.

        Each president in our history had good and bad traits, however, I have yet to see any good traits in our current president.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        We knew about and were warned about Bin Laden, far, far before that. In fact, he was offered to the Clinton cabinet 3 different times, and they were scared and wouldnt take him. Clinton is the one that cut intellingence so that there wasnt the man power to keep track of these guys. Clinton was the one that kept letting them punch us in the nose and did nothing. No sir, this is all on him, always has been, and always will be.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Sounds wild but sure has a ring of truth to it. Look for Obama’s National Police Force (read that Brown Shirts) to come on the scene soon – especially if he wins re-election or declare’s martial law. Did you ever think that one of the reasons for not clamping down on the Southwest border is so that terror cells can get established, hit us hard, then allow him to declare martial law?

      • Denise

        I have thought exactly that, Jerry. Funny you should state it here.

      • MikeC

        Jerry, I had a thought this morning when opening my morning stock trader emails…”Capitalize on Mexico’s crumbling Oil Industry”…is the drug war the planned beginning stages of the empire heading south.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        I believe all of this with the border is intended to move us toward the North American Union. Google it and see how it’s being set up. They even have a name for the new currency for the NAU. Ultimately, the goal is to effectively do away with the borders between Canada, the US and Mexico.

      • BrotherPatriot

        Yep, Kate8…your stating it how it is once again. Still blows me away that peeps are still clueless to the truth of what’s going on out there. People, go ahead & read Daniel Estulin’s book, The True Story of the Bilderbergs or even Alex Jones, End Game.

        They are not works of fiction…truth & facts compiled together. They will open your eyes to the truth.

        Wake up, World.

    • refuse2lose

      It’s almost like we are living in an alternative universe….. when was the last time a Nobel Peace Prize winner beat the drums of war? I thought this guy Obama was the anti-Bush, everything Bush wasn’t? Seems to me we have a guy in office who talks out of his anus because his mouth knows better.

      • Dogma-Free

        He still answers to the same people Dubya did.
        I just find it funny how badly the far-right would like you to believe ‘the end is nigh’. So much fear-mongering.

        But then, they were able to use it against their own people so effectively before during the Bush administration…just like Goebbels used it so effectively to control the will of their people in Germany back in the 30′s and 40′s.

        History truly does repeat itself…that is, if we choose to forget the lessons learned.

      • kate8

        Well, Dogma-, if you believe that history repeats itself, then consider that life on Earth gets wiped out every 6 or 7 thousand years, like clockwork. And guess where we are now in that cycle. This is not a Christian concept, although scripture speaks of it in ways few understand. All esoteric teachings speak of these cycles.

        It seems that there are always a few who survive to start over.

        It’s time we stop thinking so small, and thinking that Earth is the center of the Universe. We are an invisible speck in a system more vast, and perfectly ordered, than we can comprehend. Cycles of birth, sustenance, death and rebirth is how ALL things work. We are better off to honor the Laws of the Universe, and pray for safe passage, than to go down that old worn road of massive conflict. It’s all being manipulated, as it always is, and we are all pawns being shuffled around for the amusement of the elite…

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Surely you don’t buy into that uniformitarian crap!

      • Robert

        Kate8,
        Was it you that said the world (Earth)is not the center of the Universe and for all to get a grip? Basically? Love you for that one. Maybe it will put people back into perspective about what is really important. But the truth is, what happens on Earth, in OUR COUNTRY, effects alot of people, so do not go to the celestial age deal and try to triviolize our opinions of obama, he is the scourge of the heavens if that suits you better. He wil steal your bright sunny days and refill them with hazy gloom. Does that work for you? Because that is the “Blossoming Truth” of his universe of america. I refuse to capitalize his america

      • BrotherPatriot

        Yes, Jerry D…what kate8 is saying is the simple truth. It’s so simple and horrible…that people still don’t wanna believe it’s true.

        But it is.

        Go do some research and read up on who the Fuedalist, Elites are that she is talking about. But I will summerize here for you…and perhaps you can research whether I’m correct with the below statement and this may get you rolling on your own awakening.

        Without going into the deeper history of it…I’ll pick up at where the Rothschild got their start w/their enormous wealth. When Napolean was about to be defeated, a rumor got started in London that Napolean won the war. This caused everyone to sell their stocks at pennies on the dollar. Rothschild bought them all up and then 20 hours later when the truth came that Napolean actually was defeated…England found itself with a major new player who owned virtually everything…the Rothschild family. So in essense these Elites established themselves through lies and deceit. That is how they worked then…and how they work things now.

        That above is a very short, abbreviated, synopsis of who the Bilderberg Virus people are…not very pretty, IMO and not who I want to form a one world order to rule us all. I say NO to the NWO…!!!

        Once again, good work kate8…if we keep bantering about this…perhaps it will help wake some people up to the truth. :)

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        I wasn’t referring to the part about the Rothchilds et al, but about the billions of years old stuff. I am fully aware that there is a small elite that runs the economy of this world and that they want a full takeover. But, thanks for taking the time to give the information.

      • Beepster

        If you aren’t the least bit fearful of what’s happening on this planet, then you live in a rosy fantasy world. And that’s not fear-mongering.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Im on the right, and I dont believe the end is real near yet. And it wont be until my Father in Heaven says so. Its getting close, as all the prophecies are fulfilled, except for the lawless one being revealed. When he is, the muslim golden domed mosque in Israel will be torn down. Then you will know its almost time, but by then, for some, it will already be too late.

      • Kinetic1

        We have heard the end times speech so many times that I can’t imagine living my life in expectation of the end. It seems that “religious experts” have come out of the wood work in the last and first decade of the last three centuries, spouting prophecy and pointing to evidence that the end is near. I don’t mean to belittle those who believe in a literal scripture, but it’s not unlike followers of Astrology pointing out how accurate the days predictions are. It’s easy to look around and find world events that fit into prophecy, but that doesn’t mean it’s time.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Everyword of it has been true, and every prophecy was laid down pretty clear, and answered pretty darn clear. Its all there, but I do understand, that if one’s eyes arent opened, they cant see it. I know, I used to be one of them. Have a good day.

      • William

        Didn’t W Bush get a prize for attacking Iraq and Afghanistan?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        If he had George Soros owning him like the democrats, he would have bought him a Nobel prize also.

    • dini

      evil needs to be watched. also do u have any clue. if a nuke is set off in the upper atmosphere over the country . EVERYTHING involving electric etc STOPS PERIOD. the grid destroyed. NO cars, phones tv water food NOTHING . think of that when u want to let these nuts over there do what they want. THE AMERICAN empire as it was put. STANDS FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOM.
      but i guess we are supposed to be ok with exacutions because u looked at a man or u are christian, or a child texted a boy, or u want to be free and not starve under a tyrant socialist.
      and yes all the libs will be hurt too.

      • dini

        these evil nuts iran etc need to be wiped off the face of the earth

      • kate8

        Yes, dini, but consider this: This grid system that has been set up to control everything, including holding us in absolute slavery, can only be stopped if the grid is wiped out.

        There is no way man can ever build such technology and use it only for good. He will always use it for evil and enslavement, because he can. Nothing built by man is ever permanent. Evil always self-destructs.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Evil men manage to corrupt everything. It’s always been that way and always will be until the King returns.

      • BrotherPatriot

        I agree…we as a Nation should already have put into place the technology that allows the “grid” to survive a EMP and other forms of attack. A redundancy that is both above & below ground, etc., for example. This hasn’t been done because “they” do not want us protected. Proof…they want to reduce the world population and sow discord…not create faith & goodwill.

        These fuedalist, Elites are real degenerates and think they know what’s best for us. The kind of Karma they have been building…I sure wouldn’t want to be one of them when it catches up to ‘em.

      • MikeC

        dini, It’s called an EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse) and several countries have that technology! Infact, Bob Livingston writes about it in his book. Coronal Mass Ejection(CME)or solar flares do the same thing, but up to 1000 times stronger in some cases. Stop fear mongering! Get prepared, stock up on food and water, and back-up all your files. The US has that technology…would you argue we should be attacked. Get a grip!

    • Duane williams

      Iran like Iraq does NOT have nuclear weapons!! Not anymore than Iraq had weapons of mass destruction…a false flag to take away more of our freedoms…A far greater threat is being considered to be used against us!!! Please have a look, and forward widely!!!

      If you love life at all…you had better see this all the way through!!!!! Your life depends on it!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm3PYZ0N7Dg&feature=player_embedded

      S510 Makes It Illegal to Grow, Share, Trade, or Sell Homegrown Food
      Google S510 to read the extent of the Monsanto bill!!!!

      • kate8

        Duane, I posted this bill on Friday. Hardly anyone bothered to read it then, and I doubt they will now, either.

        It’s unbelievable how people seem to care so little about this. The elites are siezing control of our food, right down to outlawing home gardens, in order to use “food” to make us sick(er). Monsanto has been striving to control crops for years, too, and they now have “insiders” in Congress and the FDA.

        There are groups who’ve been fighting this legislation for years, but WHO wants it done, and the bills just come back faster and worse than before.

      • Halbert

        Kate8 post a link please……….

      • Angel Wannabe

        Kate8, While I don’t trust out Government either, I did read over the bill, s510, and I didn’t notice anything, stating they would stop, home gardens. __It seems to me they’re speaking mainly of imported food. __What I think it is, (I may be wrong), it may be the US authorities are, readying some kind of plan, in case of a food born, bio terrosist attack.-God Bless

      • Al Sieber

        kate8, I read your post Friday and discussed it with the guy at the health food store. I have a big garden, and I’m not giving it up.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Al Sieber, I’m not given mine up either, this Government has plain gone mad__Can anyone say _ROME?!!

      • bilbo81670

        Here is the link through GovTrack-http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-510&tab=summary. This bill will not outlaw homegrown food. In fact, it states implicitly, that farms are exempt. It is about tracking imported and processed foods, not outlawing homegrown food.

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