You need to find another country to live in. You are in grave danger if you stay here. Your torch will be extinguished.

Slick, there’s an easier way. Every progressive could PROVE their loyalty and dedication if they’d join the military and go to Afghanistan. Then, we’d know they “care,” and they’d know that they were helping Herr Obummer justify our long-term, continued presence there.
It’s even possible that their children will get a chance to volunteer and keep Herr Obummer’s legacy intact. If Herr Flash doesn’t know where the nearest enlistment center is, he can do a quick Google search. It makes me proud to know that America’s progressives will march on down and enlist and “sacrifice” for The Anointed One.

That will never happen. Libs are convinced that anyone who would join the military are repressed murderers who are joining simply so they can kill someone legally. That is why they are so afraid of the vets who have already served. Further, they are upset because most soldiers come back as conservatives so they believe the military brainwashes the soldiers. They seem to forget that the soldiers have seen how people in other countries live and don’t want it here under the same type of government. Further, liberals are afraid of guns. They are convinced that guns will make a person insane enough to murder so you’ll never see a true lib owning one.

Hey Flashman pull your head out smell the fresh air,see the light and you will see how wrong you are–it’s the opposite– the Democratic Liberals you idiot!!!!!!!!!!

You just declared who you are with your unfortunate distortion and that line of thinking. You can be helped if you open your mind to the reality of current events as well as history.
Cheers!

slickporsche : I agree. BUT, let us not forget those miserable RINOs as well. (Like the ones who helped to confirm Kagan) I am tired of seeing conservatives betrayed by RINOs. That is why I now vote libertarian. (And am also working to change the Libertarian party’s position on open borders).

I thought you said there was no “HE”. Are you trying to play both sides of the fence?

She also says a little further down that she gave up Christianity. Hmm that sounds like she may never have actually experienced true Christianity. You know them by their fruits.

And my fruits are good. There are many who love me; and i spread love and cheer wherever I go, helping who I can along the way. “True” Christianity brought me no peace. I should have used the term “higher power” rather than God, but I was speaking in your vernacular.

Yes Karolyn and when you look in the mirror you sing:

“Oh its hard to be humble when your perfect in every way”

A free thinker is another word for “flake” So you are coming across as a flakee.

We are all one…what?
I don’t know about you but I am a sovereign individual who does NOT subscribe to an anthill mentality.

Yes, that is what I want!!! I also want America to be victorius as we were in August 1945 AD.

There is no going back. it doesn’t work. Do you seriously believe we can go back to a time like that? Never happen. Not unless we cut the population in half. Maybe you’re proposing we do that?

I am not even proposing “going back”. Unless you think that winning the stanley cup two years in a row is “going back”. I am merely saying that just a fanatical kamikazis were able to be defeated and fanatical SS troops stopped; so, also, can these modern day fanatics be defeated NOW, in the present. All that is lacking is the drive and determination to do so.

yea pathfinder,that would be nice to have again the fealing of getting something done and acclompished again.

Ya can’t kill ‘em all. There’s always another one coming up. It’s not like it was in the “good old days.” It’s just not that simple.

Karolyn:
When you weep over those poor Japanese during WWII, remember that many of them were here to sabotage and spy on the US. Some were involuntary, true, being forced to help or their families in Japan would suffer. But many believed the Japanese Imperial crap and were willing to cause problems here. There were a LOT of innocent Japanese locked up, true again, but it was faster than it would have been to weed out the bad ones. And thanks to the loss of our main fleet in the Pacific, we were in too poor a condition to allow those sabotours to do their thing.

Karolyn:
Besides, what is the difference between what happened to the Japanese during WWII and what our government seems to want to do to many of our citizens today with the camps they have built?? Yet many libs are convinced we need to do that here now.

What camps are you talking about? Camps for the poor after you conservatives “get rid” of help for those in distress?

Read my lips, Karolyn:

EVIL MUST BE OPPOSED!!!

While I feel that most of the military would sit out any revolution here designed to simply change our government, do you honestly expect the ones in Washington to hesitate for an instant before pushing a button that would vaporize any group of armed men who were moving on Washington? I don’t! Further, I think that is one reason they constantly harp on EMP waves from ariel nukes despite basically giving the enemy a hint on what to do to screw us up. They will detonate such at nuke at an altitude that would put a hundred miles or more circle out of commission. Then they will send in news teams to show the country the poor starving people who are being punished by the horrible men who tried to get a new government – and incidently warning the country that this could happen to you if you don’t immediately report anyone wanting to harm a Washington politician.

You “believe” and you “think”? Well, is it true or not?

“Actually, I believe there are churches in Saudi Arabia.”

Back atcha.

I agree. But it certainly reminds me of the premise behind the movie, “The Second Civil War.”

I’ve spent a lot of time in India…there is no such law there. I’m not saying you lied …. I’m saying you made it up.

I hope you do not misunderstand me, so I will be as blunt as I possibly can. I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK. I have not made up ANYTHING. I don’t have to, the FACTS ARE THE FACTS.

Most people in India are Hindu. Why would they only allow Mosques?

It might be very important if you read the following and it is all fact. I have been paying attention for many years and this is exactly how it happens. Now, it finally happening in America. Way too many stupid as cement posts, liberals. If this mosque is actually built it will be the start of the greatest movement in Americas history. The Muslim take over of the United States of America.

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’
When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s (supposed) to be peace because everybody is a Muslim: we know however that this isnt true is it…?

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons…and they are coming to a neighborhood near you…so keep thinking they are not going to harm you and they “accept” you

It’s not Muslims in general; it’s the leaders, just like in this country.

I hope you don’t live close to me!

I’ve seen that report / comparison before. It seems to be right on the money.

I agree about them killing each other. One of their biggest forms of entertainment is fueds that have gone on for a thousand years. Or the Sunni/Shite debacle. I don’t remember which group is which but one group wanted to have Mohammed’s nephew as his heir (even though he was a bad man) and the other side wanted the most holy man to be Mohammed’s heir. Mohammend’s nephew lost and went to Turkey where he established the assassins as a cult and created Paradise to keep them in line. Later his line was wiped out by the Mongols – but the Arabs keep fighting over this!

There is also another factor to consider.

We consider Ground Zero to be sacred ground, correct?

Well, so do the Muslims who want to build this mosque. In their eyes, Ground Zero is sacred… because it has been consecrated by the blood of the 19 SHAHIDI (Muslim martyrs) led by Muhammad Atta.

That’s right. The terrorists and mass murderers who commandeered jet airliners and turned them into manned missiles.

Now the imam and his followers will never rest until Ground Zero and the rest of Manhattan Island are in their clutches. Their religious doctrine compels them to this action. They must obey or be condemned as apostates (read:HERETICS) by their own kind. And the consequences of that condemnation are too awful to even think about…

The Islamists wrote the book on intimidation and keeping their own in line centuries before “Mein Kampf” and Chairman Mao’s Little Red Book came along…

Dear Karolyn… It is easy to understand your being born and raised a bleeding heart liberal and that agenda.
However Little Lady I must say that being born during the Depression (1931 for those that do not know)and on December 8, 1941 the day after we were attacked at Pearl, My Uncle and His Army Buddy were at our house on leave, when they received the Telegram to report back to their Base within 24 hours. Further I served in The Marines proudly to defend your right to speak your mind, with the hope that before you leave us you will understand and mend your agenda accordingly.

I proudly stand behind the fact that I have nothing to mend.

Karolyn,

The following is a good video on taqiyya. It’s a concept about which all of us should become well-versed because the skillful use of taqiyya is one of the primary reasons so many non-Muslims are not only ignorant about Islam, but self-righteously so.

your mind would definately be a good place to start Karolyn, I vote you the most ignorant person posting on this site, God Help you, hope you are never faced with a knife around your neck!

Karolyn you don’t pray to God, remember GOD is in masculine,not in the femmine

Your statement makes no sense. “God” is only referred to as “he” because there is no special word to use for a “heavenly” being. It’s just a limitation in our language.

Understand what; that you wallow in liberal white guilt? Tell it to the families of the nine aid workers recently murdered by followers of your religion of peace.

Everybody’s gotta go sometime. Besides, if you’re Christian, you believe they went to heaven; so they’ve been rewarded. If you believe as I do, then they will be back if they want to.They gave their lives for what they believed in – helping others.

Who said we were supposed to kneel and hold out our necks for their swords? Tolerance is supposed to go both ways. If it won’t, then it is stupid to become slaves – or worse.

What would you do if someone took a swing at you? If you are a true Christian and liberal (I’m not sure there is such a person) who believes in tolerance you would simply smile and appologize to him for hurting his fist. And you would continue doing that until he beat you to death.

Actually, it’s God’s WORLD. And do you think “He” likes all this? I’m speaking in your vernacular, because I believe we are all a part of God, and there is no “He.”

Well you just showed who you are!!

Well, we do agree on one thing. This world does, indeed, belong to God. Though I think you will reject my contention that God, himself, HATES the religion of Islam. In keeping with His practice of hating the sin and NOT the sinner, I am sure that he still loves the moslems in spite of their false and lying religion. Hence if they repent their error and turn to HIm; He will forgive them. Unfortunately, their fellow Moslems will behead them for such conversion. (The inquisition was even worse with its burning of heretics. Thank God the Roman Catholics gave that up a long time ago.)

Here is a point to ponder since this discussion involves BOTH politics and religion. If God has only love (No hate at all); then how is it possible for there to be WAR in heaven between, God and his loyal angels, against Satan and his rebellious followers ??

Pathfinder,
You are right on. God has feelings too, and some people forget that.

No such thing.

Karolyn,
Again, showing your own ignorance dear.

Rather than trying to order you to leave the country, as some have done, let me instead ask this question. If you think that Sweden is so enlightened; then why haven’t you moved there ? Would you not be happier to live among people whom you view as enlightened than among ignorant savages like myself??

Well, for right now I’m stuck with the savages. I’m happy I have gas money to go to school.

Karolyn:
You are aware perhaps that Sweden has taken a boy from his parents because they weren’t teaching him that the government was always right? Do you want that for your own children?

Never heard of it. Never had kids either. Didn’t want to bring more people into the world. Too bad more people weren’t like me, then the USA wouldn’t be so overpopulated, and we wouldn’t have as many problems.

Ok people,
Now we know she is just one of those old hippies from pot smoking days. No wonder she thinks she knows it all.

They were not muslims they were heratics otherwise they would not have been consorting with the infidels there fore they deserved to die.

Correct.

Well for one Karolyn I HATE MUSLIMs, AND ISLAM for good reason in my book.

Right! Just because they were born a certain way. You probably think all Jews are crooks too; and all blacks are criminals and welfare recipients.

No, actually it’s because they advocate OUR DEATH. Wake up liberal moron.

Sorry, girl, but they weren’t “born a certain way.” They were taught Islam by their parents and those around them. BIG difference.

Poor Karolyn – it’s tough arguing with people who don’t use logic.

I really wish you were right but…..
In numbers appraoching 50%… Muslims believe that “suicide bombing is totally justified or situations CAN exist where it is condoned”. Sure doesn’t sound like a religion of peace to me but I sometimes have trouble grasping nuances. Christians????? The “Inquisition” hasn’t been around for centuries and and the “whack-job” Planned Parenthood bombers are what???? about .005% of the population??? Again… those darned subtleties…. maybe Christians are a greater threat. Sure glad you’re here to keep me focused.

Karolyn, Christians DO NOT DO THAT. If they are Christians they do not take part in such actions. Anyone can claim to be Christian. But, that doesn’t mean they are.

Karolyn : Have you ever heard the sentance, “Silence gives assent.” ?
Where are the protests from this vast majority of “good moslems” against their violent and extreame breathren ? It is my contention that their silence in failing to condemn the action of “extreamist” moslems give tacit approval to the acts of violence. Hence, in my opinion, all Islam is extreamist and needs to be removed from the face of the earth.

pathfinder, my friend if i can call you that,if i were to buy you cup of coffee every time you say what i would like to say then i would owe you about ten pots full so keep on going bud, and have a good day or eve were ever you may be.

Karolyn:
You say there are Christian sects that hate and want to murder. Name one. I’ve never heard of any since Spain had the Inquisition. And it is long gone. Besides, most of what they were doing was designed to transfer as much wealth as possible to their part of the church.

There was recently someone who killed an abortion doctor in the name of Christ.

There are many people who do things in teh name of religion but that does not make them Christians. Remember, we know them by their fruits is what the Bible says. A murderer is not bearing good fruit. Got it?

Dave: so what, it may be illegal but I believe that every doctor who practices abortion on a regular basis should have a bounty on his head. Would the Jew who killed his concentration guard be a murderer? The guard was acting within the law also. Anyone who understands the system will tell you that Law and Justice are two totally diffrent animals.

“They are PEOPLE?”

So were three of my cousins who lost their lives on that dreadful day.

On that day, I made a promise: Any effort by the U.S. Government to rain misery and suffering on the all-too-deserving heads of these so-called “people” would have my unquestioning support. Also, I promised that I would see a million Islamist fanatics dead and in their graves for each one of my murdered cousins before my mind and heart would ever change about making war on them.

We’re coming up on the ninth anniversary, we have yet to see the first hundred thousand of these villains sent to Gehenna, and my mind and heart have not changed.

Dorris’s reply makes no sense.

Karolyn, Sorry that wasn’t ment to reply to your comment. My big mistake.

Silent???? You sure can’t prove it by this website! Liberals are now the silent majority!

Liberals can not possibly be “the silent majority” BECAUSE liberals are not now, nor have they ever been, a majority in this country; and they are anything but silent.

As true a statement as I’ve seen anywhere!

Karolyn,
The one on this site that is showing true intolerance and hatred is YOU.
We conservatives have been silent too long, that’s the problem. You all aren’t used to us having and using our voices. Well sweetie, get used to it because we are not going to be silent any longer. You run over us over and over again and then get mad at us when we complain. As I said before get used to it because we are silent no more!.

Jana, I have no hatred for anyone because you are all my brothers and sisters. I just feel sorry for you – that you “know not what you do.”

NO -YOU LEAVE! No – you leave…..no-you leave. (children fighting :0}

And wouldn’t it be tragic if an airplane hit that mosque?

The main idea behind “Love they neighbor as thyself” is to do just that – no matter who or what they are.

The old Testament was written by somebody for the old times in which they lived.

Karolyn you label yourself by your own words. This shows that you do not know the Whole Word of God as it takes the Old and New Testament.
You have no comprehension how God feels about false religions. You have no comprehension what it even means to Love thy neighbor, nor the words you used before, You know not what you do. You are changing the Bible to your values, not God’s values.

When you truly love your neighbor, you correct them when they are doing wrong. They are worshiping a false god, they are intruding on our rights, they are trying to turn our country into an Islamic country.

And this is all true because of certain translations of a book written by man. Why are you so afraid to entertain thoughts that this might be untrue? You are so brainwashed that you are afraid of fictional devils and demons and can’t think outside the box because of fear. I am so glad I don’t have to live in that fear anymore.

What the hell are you talking about? There are plenty of American-born Muslims as well as those having come from another country. why would you compare our country to those other Muslim countries. Should we be like them? Oh, yeah, that would solve everything.

You are right. I read about one of those American born Muslims recently. Didn’t he kill 13 fellow American soldiers at Fort Hood? Oh yea, and what about the American born cleric that is now in Pakistan, I think, that the US government has placed a bounty on his head. He is the cleric that councils other American born muslims. He was the council of the Fort Hood murderer. How about the muslim that had just recently received his U.S. citizenship? You know, the one who had placed the car bomb in town square??

They still don’t represent the majority.

McVey = Christian
Rudolph = Christian
Korech = Christian
Jones = Christian
Oswald = Christian
Hinckley = Christian

shall we go on?

Flashman – Having a label of Christian or any religion, for that matter, does not make you a follower of Christianity, etc. It’s just a label. Your actions, i.e. how you live your life, ultimately speak louder than words or labels- and are the true measure of the person – and their genuine relationship or not with their God or lack of God.

there you go liberty. That’s it in a nutshell. We are not our labels.

Hey Flashman…you want to make absurd comparisons?
Here’s a little recent reality for you – check out the
“Religion of Peace” and its corresponding body count.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Let’s go on.

Hitler – Atheist (Christian parents)
Stalin – Atheist (Christian parents, educated in seminary)
Mao Tse Tung – Whatever
Pol Pot – Whatever
Ottoman Turks WW1 – Muslim

A list of the greatest mass murderers in history, all of them AFTER 1900. (I include Ottoman Turks for the slaughter of 1.5 million Armenian non-combatants in 1915 plus other numerous but smaller indiscretions.) And for statistics: More non-combatant Christians have been murdered (by persecution) in the entire world since 1900 than in all the centuries from the Ascension of Christ to 1899. And it still goes on, as in Nigeria, recently.

So knock off the David Koresh et al nonsense. Besides, our government then was more eager to send in the troops for a small cult in Texas than they are to send them to PROTECT the borders of Texas from Mexico.

And, Karolyn, I’m 62, and the livin’ has been easy in the US for us, hasn’t it? Especially if you weren’t paying attention.Wake up.I seem to recall something about Viet Nam, some problem there, maybe just a blip on your radar screen. BTW the Muslims practice female circumcision.

I am amazed that you fail to notice a very important difference between Islamic nations and what I, and others like me on this site, am/are proposing. In the Islamic countries, NO OTHER FAITHS ARE PERMITTED TO BUILD HOUSES OF WORSHIP NOR TO PREACH THEIR RELIGION. Here, in America, Christians of many differing sects, Jews, Druids, Buddists, Hindus, and many other faiths ARE tolerated. Of this fact I am very glad.

But, I propose that the faith which sanctions jihad, has a special TAX for those who do not convert (jizya), and has from its very origin been spread mainly by violence should not, itself, be tolerated.

So, NO. I do not want to be just like the moslems. I just wabnt to treat them the same way that they have been treating, not just christians, but everyone else.

Karolyn, get a clue, try reading the Koran you idiot, please don’t comment until you’ve read the Koran.

“OUR” ways are not being Christian. They are living in a country with religious tolerance. If you don’t like religious tolerance then you should leave the US because that is a founding principle.

Dave, last I checked this is a Christian Nation – muslims HATE everyone, including you, every American, every jew and every Christian. IF you are in one of these groups, then they hate you as well.

Thankyou Doris. You got that one very correct, and to the point. Bravo!

Good Show Fighter Pilot! Hey Guys and Gals… for starters…tony in MO,Doris, slickporsche…
I have to expressmy deep feeling of the facts that all this upset has been compounded with the current admistration of Ali Obama and the likes of his 40 Czars. They continue to lie and cover up deals and push through legislation totally against the will of the majority,
while they pave the way to bankrupt Our America. To this End I Do So Declare “It is time to set forth the proceedings NOW to IMPEACHMENT of Obama and clean out the 40 Czars. Further I solicit all those in agreement with this action that we pursue our Representatives and join together to bring this to frutition. Cheers! Hank O

We need the House before we can impeach. Do everything we can to make it a LANDSIDE in Nov and throw-out the Socialists! Then let’s talk impeachment!

Agreed. The Koran can have itys whole text encapsulated in three little words:

OBEY OR DIE.

‘Nuff said.

Barry, you’re right, we need to OUST these people and their plans of building a mosque at Ground Zero.

They don’t all feel that way!!! The people building the mosque (which, btw, will take a long time, since they don’t even have the money yet) want it to be a peace center. They have just as much right to build what they want as anyone; and if the goernment that most of you are against said they couldn’t, then you certainly would be proved to be hypocrites. Hate solves nothing. That’s like Have you not heard the Muslimm “on the street” talking. The Koran is not all about hate. If you would judge the Koran as being about hate, then you would have to do the same for the Old Testament in the Bible.

Karolyn, those many lectures on moral relativism and political correctness you had in grade school and high school may make you feel warm and fuzzy, but this is the real world. You’re supposed to put
away childish things and grow up.
If you want to knock Christianity, use the same standard and apply it to Muslims. So when will the world see religious structures of “other” faiths in Muslim countries?
You and Bloomberg have much in common, starting with a unique brand of ignorance. Did you come by it naturally, or did you have to work at it?

I’m 63 years old and didn’t have those classes. I came by it by having am open mind and being an intelligent person with empathy and love for my fellow man. And I wasn’t raised that way. My parents were racist, conservative Democrats. It just seems to me that I hear more hate and intolerance spewed by Bible-thumping right-wing Christians in this country than anything else. Sure, I am not stupid, I know not all Christians are like so many on this site; but they’re the ones with the biggest mouths. Just like the worst Muslims are the ones with the biggest mouths; but neither big-mouth side speaks for all.

S C… They stamped it on her forehead in the cradle “Democrat Liberal”
It’s really not her fault… But hope springs eternal.
Pray She has the strength to vote for anyone but Ali Obama in 2012.

I seen yesterday where it’s going to the Supreme Court, didn’t I, Oh, God please let it be going before the Supreme Court!

Karolyn…………….I will believe there are moderate muslims when they take an absolute iron clad stand against not only terrorist acts but the extreemist in their religion as well.

Karolyn,
That’s another major point. Where are they getting the money from? Us? Somehow they will get tax dollars and even $1.00 of tax money is too much.

Deborah. Do you really want our Government deciding which religions can build a house of worship on private property? You may think it’s ok because they are Muslims but it sets a precedent and tomorrow it may be Baptists or Catholics.

No Dave we don’t want the Gov’t. doing it, but the Imam needs to be aware of the will of the people, and the majority rules. Muslims are not in the majority, muslims attacked us on 9-11, and Muslims take over unless they are stopped. Not only that I don’t remember at this moment how many times a day they have their very loud sound of calls to prayer, but it is also obtrusive that way too.
It is not a Gov’t. issue, but a public issue.

If it is a peace center then it should include representation for all religions and all faiths should be able to worship in their own way on the property. This would truly promote tolerance and understanding of all religions. Otherwise,this is a veiled attempt to exert religious doctrine and dominance of one religious belief over others.

if you like them that much then go live with them,alot of the people iam shure feel like i do for three reasons,1.do feel like hearing them chant all the time,2.dont even like the thought of them being so close to a national monument becaused it was there brothern who might of been responceable for the bombing in some way or another,3.we could use the property to help in hundreds of ways for our selfs, and might see red after seeing them that close to the 9[11 sight, i could thaink of more to say but i belive this will do for now.

What do you think – that the Government should use Eminent Domain to confiscate their property? Do you think the Government has the right to take it away just because they are Muslims? Sounds pretty liberal to me.

Karolyn,

I am 63 years old also, but I grew up and look at life in a realistic way, whereas you seem to be stuck on being naive.

It is my belief that should this mosque be built there should be a 25 foot Cross and a 25 foot Star of David each lighted 24/7/365 built in clear view of every entrance and exit.

I know the some people sopport the building the mosquita but is not respect for the us the Americans that we do not want terrors in our country if a religion wants to kill and do what the religion says we do not want that in USA please do it in your countires if you think is right to do. the Mosquita in NK is not your country that you love is just some place that you have not pay a price to keep us save. May the Lord Jesus open your eyes to see the good is in him and we need to do good and not kill the Americans. I think any religion that is to kill the Americans should go back to thier countries.

juana,
You are so right. God says in the Old Testament that He is a jealous God. He does not want us worshiping any false gods. The god of Islam is a false god, made in the image of Muhammad. If anyone KNOWS The One True God, they would not be fooled by allah. Religious tolerance? No, God is not tolerant of other religions and He does not want us to be either.
We are tolerant even to a fault when they are not trying to step all over us, but Islam is trying to take us over and we need now to be intolerant of that. They want to take us over and if anyone calls that hate speech, then I say to you YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!

Islam is a GOVERNMENT, the Koran is its Constitution, Shira Law is its Legal System, its MOSQUE are centers of Government operations, and its Citizens are called MOSLEM. The Government of Islam has declared WAR on the United States a long time ago and is hell-bent on our destruction. The Government of Islam has infiltrated all three branches of the Federal Government and the Trojan horse is in the White House.

Karolyn,
I wish that you were right about Muslims, but I don’t think that there are very many, if any, “moderate” Muslims. Islam is not just a religion, it is a cultural, political and legal system that dictates every aspect of one’s life. There is no “grace” for anyone who does not submit to Islam. The Koran does tell followers to kill the infidel. If you can find that message anywhere in the Bible let me know. If this mosque is a peaceful community center, why did they choose this spot and why would the Imam want to dedicate it on 9/11/2011? That is no coincidence. Think about it Karolyn.

Kristine,
And according to Islam there are very few women who will make it to heaven. To them women are dirty and a major inconvenience. Do you ever here of an honor killing to a man? NO, just to women and daughters.

Karolyn:
Have you ever read the Koran? Or the Qoran (two separate books)? Try chapter 4 of the Qoran. It might make you think a little.

(I know, I know, as a liberal you expect someone else to think for you. I also know it is hard work to think. But try it once, huh?)

I think plenty, and I sure have a lot more to think about than how much I hate someone. I have not read the Koran, but I have a copy and just have to find it. I am an avid student and seeker of the Truth. I am not a stupid person. I do listen to both sides; and I do admit when wrong. thus far, I haven’t met a conservative who does, which is what leads me to be pretty fearful of you all.

Karolyn,
The proof is in the pudding as they say. Talk like a stupid person, act like a stupid person—

good grief your an idiot.

I’m 65 and; you are a fool!

YOU ARE right whats happing in our country all the people that died at world trade center now they what to put a mosque down the block come on ps.

Joyce, Have you read the Koran?

Have you read the Talmud?

Sticking my nose in – I haven’t read either the Koran or the Talmud but I have read excerpts from the Koran and it scares the hell out of me….If the Muslims take over…and it looks like they will we will have a holocaust and they will start with all the Christians.

Majority of it, yes I have. I have read the parts that pertain to me, an infidel. I have read the sections that describe smiling in the face of the enemy (Christians) to win their trust. I have read enough to know that THE MUSLIMS HATE CHRISTIANS. The Koran sickens me, to think there is people out there like that scares me. You should know by now, that things are never as they seem. Smiling faces will cut your throat in a flash and never once bat an eye.

And what does Obama always do? (SMILE).

thank you joyce from loris,this one of the real reasons that they should not be able to build there building, some of us christians would not feal right being that close to them,and just plain dont care about them at all.

Ben England.
Obama was in Austin, TX today talking at the students (who were swooning) of U.T. He told them we need more graduates from Colleges. OK, hmmm and what are they gonna do after they graduate? Take unemployment???

Jana,
The reason Obama is always pushing education is to continue indoctrinating new recruits.

Karolyn…..Have you?

Karolyn,
I have been studying the Qur’an, and have learned enough about even WHO wrote the Qur’an to know that this is NOT a religion of peace. In fact Muhammad started out that they should honor the Bible but as he went on and someone made him mad, he decided that his god was calling him to be his god’s avenger. Then he became his god’s wrath and killed anyone disagreeing with him (Muhammad). As a 56 year old man he married a 6 yr. old girl and waited till she was 8 to consummate the marraige. Why how big of him to wait 2 yrs for her to turn 8. We call that a pedophile over here.

This religion was created by man for man. They do not serve the One True God.

Karlyn you are sady mininformed and blissfully ignorant of the Truth.

The following is a good video on taqiyya. It’s a concept about which all of us should become well-versed because the skillful use of taqiyya is one of the primary reasons so many non-Muslims are not only ignorant about Islam, but self-righteously so.
Go to: http://www.CITIZENWARRIOR.COM/2010/07/video-on-taqiyya.html to hear in their own words how they feel about us.

Christ Jesus, Son of God, died and rose again to save his Creation (of which each one of us are part. Islam’s God is Allah, god of this world, who wants the Creation (of which each one of us are part) to die for Islam’s god Allah. Praise to and Thanks to our Lord God Christ Jesus that He came into the World to seek and to save that which was lost by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

This website does not exist. I tried.

Yes, Karolyn, it does exist. I just clicked on it from here and it opened.

I checked the link and it works just fine.

JHall – I’m beginning to see it as an attempt to make it a “holy ground” for the “martyrs” who took over those planes — not a holy ground for the murdered 3,000 people. It will be a place where other muslims can celebrate what their “martyrs” did.

libertytrain…. I think you are right!

I agree with nearly everything said in this forum. A mosque anywhere near Ground Zero is vile, inhuman, disgusting & insensitive to all Americans. I hope all New Yorkers make sure of this one way or the other. Our kiss ass politicians are doing nothing. Islamic laws, the koran are nothing. Muslims don’t have a religion. What is quoted as a religion started with a man who was disrespected & he made sure everyone knew it. Muslim men kept the farce going over the centuries. Allah doesn’t exist except in the minds of Muslims who are total control freaks. Hateful, vile, disgusting, shameful, despicable mean spirited people. They’ve made it clear they want everyone dead (especially Americans) who won’t or don’t believe in their so-called religion. So why would anyone want them in America? God would never tell his people to murder all those who won’t adhere to his religion. This is why he gave us free will. Since there is no proof anywhere on this planet that shows Allah is god or that Muslim religion ever really exists, there’s no reason to let them hide behind our Constitution or Bill of Rights concerning religion. Politically correct, my ass. They can kiss mine. I’ve written every single Governor & Senator via email, to pass a bill to ensure that no Sharia laws can be passed in any state. God is showing exactly what he thinks of Muslims as we speak. The floods throughout Pakistan & parts of Afghanistan. Check it out. How about the floods in China & North Korea? Moscow has had a major heat wave that’s caused wildfires & more carbon monoxide in the air than smog in London. If you want to read what our papers won’t tell us, check out the Guardian & UK articles on line. We as Americans don’t want Muslims in our country. We don’t think they should get special treatment or ride free on our dime, what is exactly what Obama did with thousands of Muslim refugees. Obama also excused Muslims from any & all penalties having to do with the healthcare laws. They don’t have to get insurance. If we don’t, we’ll be fined by the IRS. If you haven’t been to “America Speaks Out” or “Republican Whip, You Cut”, all of you should check it out. More ways to stop spending & speak your mind on what’s going on in our country. Get it??? OUR COUNTRY.
For those of you die hard Democrats; if you hate what’s happening to our country, then please vote Republican this November. We want Obama out of our White House. Sooner than later. Omana does not have the American Flag behind him when he gives press conferences, nor does he put his hand over his heart when our National Anthem is played or sung. He wants our military to pay for their own medical insurance. When the Obama family went on vacation, the dog was sent on a separate plane on taxpayers dime because Obama wouldn’t let him on airforce one. WHO DOES THAT???? If nothing else, our military should get more money in war & out for their service to Americans. No socialist crap. We are a DEMOCRACY & we want it to stay that way.
Speak out people. Don’t fear anyone or anything. Tell it like it is. Free our country of terrorist. Send all Muslim men back where they belong. I truly believe that if Muslim women were free to express themselves & learn what freedom really is, they would begin to explore Christianity & know our God is the ONE & ONLY GOD. They would teach future generations of muslims about God.

THere should be no more mosques built in America, nor should we allow more Muslims to immigrate here. NO MORE ISLAM IN AMERICA, IT IS A BAD FIT.

In the event that such a mosque is built; the people of New York need to riot and burn it down. It is time to launch a new crusade and erase Islam from the face of the earth. We can coexist with Buddists, Hindus, Shinto, Druids, Jews, and many others. But with Islam there can be no coexistance. All christians (Protestants, Roman Catholics, Orthodox Catholics, etc.)unite and join the new crusade.

It is time Americans band together and get rid of those who don’t want to live Life as we know it.Before comming they should speak english no more printing in other languages.No Welfare If you don’t have a Job lined up stay home or at least come leglly and if you don’t have a job in 6 mo go home.No student Visas unless you can pay for your own studdy and when you are done and you don’t leave we hunt you down. that should go for all ILLEGALS. We need to take our country back.

Pathfinder, you are exactly right, people like karolyn are extremely dangerous and are who got us in this kind of mess in the first place (Bleeding heart Liberal idiots)and will be the first to taste the sword of islam

First thing O did after taking office was to move in Muslims and India Indians at the speed of light. We are already up the food chain on percentages.

You are right we don’t need any Muslims in this country.What do they want here? They don’t want to change their lifes they want us to acommadate them in Schools Airports and now the Mosk.You don’t see the Dutch wearing wooden Shoes or the Germans wearing Dirnd’ls or the Russens theyr country’s garb.Only the middle eastern people run around with rags on their heads and burkas.They are in the USA now so fit in.I ask myself why did they bother to come here if they don’t want to change.They even kill their Kids and think it is ok.I think they should stay in their country and we should refuse them intry because they can’t be trusted.

Slickporsche, GREAT RESEARCH! I like it when a person can back up their arguments with facts. You win! I think that the muslims should be expelled from our country and hopefully, they will take all the bleeding heart fools with them. The muslims will take them out eventually anyway, so I say, take them with you as you leave OUR country. NO MORE DEATHS TO AMERICAN PEOPLE BY THE HANDS OF MUSLIMS ON OUR SOIL.

Starting with our Indonesian, Illegal Alien, Muslim President?
How do you suppose he came to be in power with the media in his pocket?
We were defeated, now we pay the price. Adds up to me.

That Muslim President was vetted by Pelosi and some others.Why do you think she has gotten so powerful.She has Obama in her pocket and all of them will do anything to keep his background hidden at any cost.We must be the laughing stock at the Muslim country’s for not being able to expose this Lyer

Sorry, Slickporshche, for a little sarcasm here, but surely there will be those who say “Don’t bother me with the facts, my mind’s made up.” Truth is, such people don’t get the news and are not aware of what’s happening anywhere except in their own minds. I believe it’s called “ignorance.” The same kind of crap that made for “Hope” and “Change” in the last Election. And the same thing that allows for the shout of victory from a Muslim Center, to be heard all around the Sanctuary of Ground Zero. It’s the same ignorance that admits that Muslims also, were killed by Muslim Jihaddists on 9/11/01, because of their lack of respect for Freedom or Life.

to slickporsche,this could verry well be the reason that we americans dont want them here, and would have to start watching our backs when we see them, and all so i would get tired of hearing them preach all the time to there so called god then turn around and kill people like the christians and so, thank you for makeing it easer for me to say what iam saying.

Hate starts it, but hate never ends anything. It just perpetuates more hate. So we just go on ad infinitum til there’s nobody left but you.

Karolyn : Try telling THAT to the rulers of Carthage.

CARTHAGO DELENDA EST !!

Karolyn, try going to one of those Islamic countries, and not obey the Sharia law that says that all women have to cover their head. Is that what you want here in the good old USA, because as a woman, I don’t. It is not hate to protect our freedoms no matter what it takes.

Karolyn…maybe your views would be a little different if you actually lived under Sharia law.

A New Jersey family court judge’s decision not to grant a restraining order to a woman who was sexually abused by her Moroccan husband and forced repeatedly to have sex with him is sounding the alarm for advocates of laws designed to ban Shariah in America.

Judge Joseph Charles, in denying the restraining order to the woman after her divorce, ruled that her ex-husband felt he had behaved according to his Muslim beliefs — and that he did not have “criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault” his wife.

According to the court record, the man’s wife — a Moroccan woman who had recently immigrated to the U.S. at the time of the attacks — alleged:

“Defendant forced plaintiff to have sex with him while she cried. Plaintiff testified that defendant always told her “this is according to our religion. You are my wife, I c[an] do anything to you. The woman, she should submit and do anything I ask her to do.”

In considering the woman’s plea for a restraining order after the couple divorced, Charles ruled in June 2009 that a preponderance of the evidence showed the defendant had harassed and assaulted her, but “The court believes that [defendant] was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited.”

The rest of the article:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/05/advocates-anti-shariah-measures-alarmed-judges-ruling/#commenting

I can not believe that an American court could reach such a ruling.
But maybe Karolyn can…

Yeah, judges really do very often suck. It’s very sad that no matter what rulings or judgments are handed down, men will get there way if they want to. I live in SC, which is either 1st or 2nd in the country in domestic abuse. It took a long time for women to just get the vote in this country. It’s gonna take so much longer for women to get total equality throughout the world. Many people in their only small ways are working in the background to bring about fairness and equality for enslaved women of the world.

karolyn, you will be the first to go, pathfinder will be busy protecting himself unlike you bellding heart liberals who think everthing is just right in the world stupid stupid stupid liberal

You go Pathfinder – I’m behind you. I’m a 70 year old Texas woman and I’ll be behind you, beside you – and with you…with my gun.

You go, Annie Oakley! Violence solves everything! Whatever happened to “turn the other cheek” and “love they neighbor” and “bless those who hate you.”

Karolyn, honestly; Would you happen to be one of those whose house is invaded by criminals and would say to them, “Why SURE! Do as you will with me, my property and my children! I’ll love and forgive you anyway” Be honest now! Have you really thought about your words?
Oh, by the way, I AM a Christian! I just don’t believe as you do. I’ve thought about it and I KNOW I would defend my family and property, and possibly even YOU AND YOURS if you were my neighbor.

i dont like being slaped all the time and i will be damed if i turn the other cheeck any more, and i will not or can not befriend who only wants to kill christians, so no mr. or mrs. goodie to shoes speach to me thank you.

Kamrade Karolyn, welcome to the United States. Let me tell you something about America and Americans. We DO NOT turn the other cheek when our nation our freedom’s and our principles are threatened. And when that threat is of a deadly nature, we respond with deadly force…it’s one of nature’s most moral laws.

Take this news of a great great nation back to wherever you are from and try and reform the poor backward people that you seem to represent.

Best, JC

Hate is louder, but there is more power in love. Read “Power vs. Force” by Dr. Hawkins.

to pathfinder,if you get the chance like i would hope we could do to remove them, look to your left and you will find this sixty year old man carring what ever i could carry to get rid of them, hopefully with my tank fully armed and ready to go.

Pathfinder: you are correct Sir. We are a nation founded on Christian-Judeo laws and principals. all others are just guests we tolerate. The Twin Towers didn’t have to fall on my head for me to realize that we are in a war to the end with these 6th century cretins. That started when they started blowing up airliners back in the 70′s and the massacre at the Munich Olympics. These people who believe that Islam is a religion of peace are so naive that they’ll believe it as the sword fall on their necks. Our Federal Gvt. under Immam Obama is the most immediate threat our nation faces. Hopefully that will start to change in Nov. Just a random thought; if some desicrated the building site of a proposed mosque, with let’s say a barrel of pig’s blood, would they still build it?

Go somewhere else in the WORLD!
Mosque at Ground Zero does not equal PEACE.

Are you all aware that there are 35 Muslim Camps in America?

What would the Founding Father’s have done about the so-called religion called Islam as it pushes it’s laws, violence and false god on American soil?????????

Moe-Hammand was a pedophile.

Yes, he definitely was a pedophile. At 56 yrs of age Muhammad married a 6 yr old child. He waited till she was 8 to consummate the marriage. Wonderful guy that Muhammad.

Al,
Over and over Israel allowed peoples of other religions to come into their midst. They brought their false idols and false gods, and their strange ways of worship and converted God’s people into the false religions. This is what is happening to us now.
Islam goes into our prisons and converts other prisoners by the thousands into this false religion of hate and intolerance. They are like a cancer that spreads.
God allowed Israel to be conquered because they refused to listen to their prophets. We have the Bible that tells us what will happen if we allow this cancer to take over our society.
We have set back and allowed any form of prayer, even silent prayer from our schools or public places to be taken away. Political correctness is trying to eliminate even the name of God out of our vocabulary. We can’t have the Ten Commanments posted anywhere. We have to call it Winter Vacation, not Christmas.
Now, we are being slowly taken over by a false religion and there are ignorant fools who applaud this. Karolyn is one of those.
Religious tolerance? Our religious rights are being taken away and Islam’s rights are escalating. And people call this tolerance???

MEE TOOO AND PROUD OF IT

cmanap40,
This was a very good and informative post on the history of Islam.
God has also called us to be warriors including putting on the “armor of God”. In Eph. chapter 6. Sometimes it is required for us to die for our faith, but many times it is far harder to live our faith. We get labeled as haters of other religions or as intolerant. So be it, but to know the Truth will set us free, and when we know that Truth, we have a responsibility to stand up for it.

Joe
suicide would be to easy.bring back the wooden head and arm chalks and let the people show him how they really feel.

I told you before Dan you are mean, but I like it.VERY GOOD IDEA! LMAO

KUDOS many KUDOS slickporsche. So much so that I copied and sent the entire article out on my gangrun1@aol.com email.
We really must keep this thinking on all the destructive activity that this Ali Obama and his 40 Czars continue to pursue.
Always open to your thoughts… send them.
Cheers!… Hank O

INDEED ! I hope he did ! This decision on his part should hasten his political demise !

AZ,
You are soooooo right. It will be a Vicoty Center.

They have sworn to fly the flag of islam(communism) over America’s White House, and with the aid of the aid of state and federal government and new’s media. they will do it regardless of cost of live’s and the surrender of America to the allah hussein regime.

Well, I for one, will not get down on my knees and stick my butt up in the air and pray to Allah, NEVER! If I do stick my butt up in the air, all the Muslims can kiss it!!!

Amen to that Tom! This mosque is nothing but an insult to every American citizen, just another slap in the face, by these out-of-touch politicians, and at the helm we have obama, sitting like an arrogant muslim, it’s strange we haven’t heard a word about this mosque from him. I’m sure he’s loving the idea of a mosque being built at Ground Zero, as he is so quick to insult us Americans around the world, every chance he gets. Who else bows to the King of Saudi Arabia? what we have in power is a muslim, a tyrannical dictator, who wants to peddle his agenda of socialism, leading our country down to a path of destruction as he spends us into oblivion. His plan is for the destruction of the U.S. by various means, of which he is accomplishing at a quick pace – with his wild spending, his passing the Health Care bill, which Americans didn’t want, along with other plans to create and develop a New World Order – which will lead to Socialism, I just hope our country can survive this radical muslim, dictator socialist, along with his cronies, and radical czars! It’s time for CHANGE alright, but NOT the change he’s peddling, it’s time to TAKE BACK AMERICA!

On the one hand, you have Islam trying in earnest to take over the United States of America while pouring acetone into the wounds of Americans who have lost family and or friends to Islamic terrorist attacks throughout the world. Building a Mosque at or near “Ground Zero” is the acetone and manipulating the laws that govern us will allow it to happen. Our “Founding Fathers” spoke of these things, both directly and indirectly and the building of the Mosque CAN be stopped.
On the other hand, Mayor Bloomberg and his like thinking cronies are textbook “Capitalists” with dollar signs in their eyes and void of moral conscience. I still wonder how the “Paper Hang’n SOB” got elected in the first place. Wait! I know how buffoons get elected to public office – they are High School drop outs who are old enough to vote.
Who will build it? Those without moral fibre. Never Under Estimate the POWER of a PATRIOT…………….

You’re right – jimminety bop you’re right – what they now want is to build the mosque – take over and introduce Sharia Law into our country – we CANNOT stand for or accept that! These muslims are radicals, if anyone doesn’t believe it try pullilng up the Koran – it is a doctrine of hate. They hate jews, christians and Americans, they call America – “the Great Satan” as well as “Infidels” – these muslims are whack-jobs, with only one purpose and that is to kill all who oppose them, then institute Sharia Law. The fact that they want to build a mosque is not only an insult, to every American, but is their way of declaring a victory, over a conquered site or country! Basically they are saying “we conquered you America, and this is our way of saying, we did it, and now we are going to build a mosque on the site we conquered” IF that isn’t an insult to every American, I don’t know what is. Everyone should be MAD about this, and fight this proposed mosque every step of the way. Pressure needs to be put on NYC Mayor – Bloomberg, and Stringer for even considering such an idea. They are TRAITORS and should be OUSTED from office. Anyone who supports this mosque is a TRAITOR and should be treated as such, there are several politicians in NYC that are supporting it, and they are TRAITORS to, most likely they are democrats, not long ago, there was a picture of them in the NYC newspaper, some of them were of oriental descent, along with Stringer, and a few others, these are the people who NEED to be VOTED OUT, come ELECTION time, if they are NOT FOR US American citizens, then they are against us. Please everyone take the time to VOTE wisely, as our country depends on it.