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How Capitalism Will Save Us

August 6, 2010 by  

How Capitalism Will Save Us

I’d like to take credit for the title of today’s column but I can’t. It comes from my favorite American capitalist, Steve Forbes. It was the title of a speech he gave at the huge gathering of 2,000 stubborn individualists at FreedomFest last month. And it is also, not so coincidentally, the title of his latest book, which I hope you’ll read.

In his speech, and in an exclusive interview he gave me afterwards, Steve sounded off on several things that are wrong in Washington, D.C., today. The first, he said, is the ridiculous idea that the way to solve excess spending is by raising taxes.

“You don’t reward bad behavior by giving them more of the stuff that got them in trouble,” he declared. “If someone’s been on a bender, don’t give them another bottle of booze and say, ‘okay, next time get it right.’ That won’t work; even it’s a very good brand.”

And then he added, “They’re not going to get it right until you deprive them of the means of spending. That means lowering taxes, not raising them.”

The crowd loved the idea.

“Regulation” was another topic that had the publisher seeing red.

“Only Congress could pass a 2,000-page financial reform bill and not get anything in it right,” he said. “I mean, it’s amazing. They ignore monetary policy. They ignore Fannie and Freddie—two institutions that issued $1.5 trillion in junk loans to finance this charade. They don’t do anything about ‘too big to fail.’ They don’t do anything about the disaster of mark-to-market accounting. You go down the list and you’ll find 2,000 pages of stuff that is going to hurt the economy, not help it.”

And here was a shocker: “Every time you have a 2,000 page bill, you get at least 10 regulations per page. That means 20,000, 30,000, 50,000 new rules coming down the road. Is it any wonder businesses are reluctant to hire? How can you plan for the future when you don’t know what the new rules will be?”

What about all the government subsidies to banks and businesses? The outright takeover of automobile companies and lending institutions?

Steve Forbes’ solution is simplicity itself: “Sever their ties to the government. Cut ‘em lose. Send them out in the public to sink or swim. If they can’t compete in the marketplace, so what? It shouldn’t be our concern. We shouldn’t have to bail them out!”

He received another long round of applause and foot-stomping.

The publisher of Forbes magazine admitted that monetary policy isn’t the most exciting topic for a speech. In fact, he offered this counsel: “If any of you are ever at a party or on a date that isn’t going well, just start talking about monetary policy. I promise you, you’ll quickly be alone. Everyone will vanish. Monetary policy has got to be the most boring subject in the world.”

Still, there were some things that we need to know.

“If cheap money were the way to wealth,” he told us, “Zimbabwe and Argentina would own the world.”

And he added, “That’s why this whole idea of a stimulus package is garbage. Where did they get the money from? It doesn’t come from Mars; it comes from thee and me. It comes from taxes. It comes from borrowing. It comes from the printing presses at the Federal Reserve, which is the sneakiest form of taxation of all.”

Steve blasted another argument the statists like to use—the idea that anyone who’s made it in America has a duty to “give back.”

“When you say it that way, it sounds like you took something that didn’t belong to you,” he said. “But you’re the one who earned the wealth in the first place. You’re not giving back, you’re giving.”

Then he took off on the Hollywood caricature of American businessmen.

“You know the ones,” he said. “They take pleasure in seeing pelicans drown in oil. When they walk down the street, babies cry and dogs bark at them.

“But even if you’re all of that, in a true free market you don’t succeed. In a free market, you only succeed if you provide a product or service that somebody else wants and will pay you for. That’s not stealing, it’s providing.”

In his speech and in the book by the same name, Forbes made an unapologetic plea for free enterprise, free markets and free trade. He has become perhaps the most eloquent defender of American capitalism since Ronald Reagan.

“No system has been as effective as capitalism in turning scarcity into abundance,” he pointed out. “Think of computers. Forty years ago, only business and government could afford the old massive mainframes…. Today the Blackberry device in the palm of your hand has more computing power than those old machines.”

And what about one of the most controversial issues of our age—healthcare?

“In any other part of our lives, if people want more of something, it’s seen as an opportunity,” he pointed out. “If people want more software, Silicon Valley and other places will be happy to provide it. If people want more cars, Detroit will be glad to build them. Why is the demand for more healthcare seen as a disaster? Why is the fact we’re living longer seen as a problem?”

The grey-haired publisher then put it on a very personal basis: “As I get older, I kind of like longevity. My heirs might not, but I’m all in favor of it.”

Then he pointed out the obvious: “Ladies and gentlemen, we don’t have real free markets in healthcare. We have pockets of it here and there—which is why we have more medical-device breakthroughs in this country than anyplace else. More pharmaceutical breakthroughs than anywhere else.”

What’s the solution? He offered several: “Let’s allow basic things like nationwide shopping for health insurance, equalizing tax treatment between individuals and businesses, removing barriers to health savings accounts, and tort reform.”

And he concluded with this promise: “Get real free enterprise in health care and we’ll turn a hopeless liability into the most dynamic growth industry the world has ever seen.”

We concluded our conversation with Forbes telling me why he is so optimistic about the future.

“The liberty movement is coming up with new, creative, workable, free-market solutions to issues,” he said.

He pointed to the lady who preceded him on the stage—Sharron Angle, who is running against Harry Reid for the Senate seat in Nevada—and other politicians who are making a difference. One is in his own state of New Jersey, where Gov. Chris Christie has put a cap on property taxes and cut the top income-tax rate there by 20 percent.

“We have a rebellion going on,” Steve said happily.

The only time he played coy was when I asked him if he would be running for office again. “I want to be the new Tom Paine,” he replied. “I want to be an agitator for freedom and free enterprise.”

From what I’ve seen, he’s doing a good job at it. But find out for yourself; go to your local bookstore, or visit www.Amazon.com, and get a copy of How Capitalism Will Save Us. And then do your part to spread the word.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

—Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Larry S

    Moral of the story when you take away any potential REWARD for taking a RISK ……….. all the ROCKET SCIENCE folks can sit back and watch the slide.

  • JeffinCO

    The problem is we have two political parties. One practices socialism, but the other doesn’t practice capitalism. The reason we have Obama, Reid and Pelosi is Republicans were poor stewards of capitalism. They stood by while stupid govt policies, the Fed and 2 GSAs initiated a housing bubble (and Republicans still crow about the good economy during 6 of 8 Bush years while the bubble inflated). Since Democrats are socialists, Republicans need to realize they are 100% responsible for the economy. The problem with socialism is socialism. The problem with capitalism is capitalists. Republicans must protect the economy from stupid or wayward “capitalists” so that socialists aren’t elected to office.

  • slickporsche

    I hope with all my heart that Steve Forbes will run for president again. I will vote for him just like I did the last time. Trouble is, the American public is so programmed, they vote for all the deadbeats.Look at the deadbeat we have in the White House now!! Steve Forbes would be a very sensible choice, if Americans had the brains to realize it. They seem to be drawn to idiots like Clinton, and Obama.

    • DaveH

      Yeah, but he’s not handsome. I kid of course, but it is a fact that my mother (a Democrat) told me “how could anybody vote for that man, he’s so ugly” (about George Bush).

      • libertytrain

        DaveH – sadly, my mother voted for clinton because she thought he was so handsome even though he was proved to be a cad while he was running. I personally thought W was a good looking guy but that would have nothing to do with my voting choice.

  • Sylvia Keppy-Dow

    We should have elected Steve Forbes president when we had the chance. I worked on his campaign back then and he is one of the most real and genuine people I’ve ever met… PLUS, the guy is genius about money and the economy…

  • Fempatriot

    I believe there should be a cap on just how much wealth an individual should be able to have. The Rothschild banking family of Europe (that also owns the 12 banks that make up the Federal Reserve) owns half the world’s wealth. they started back in the Middle Ages by loaning money to royalty, assured that they would get it back with interest. Usury. A plague on the world now. They have had the power to start (or end) wars–and have used it. They can outbid any opposition, and silence any dissent. So capitalism has not worked well for most of us because it worked so well for the Middle Ages bankers who now control the world’s wealth–or nearly all of it. I don’t believe in “free market” if that means that the United States has to compete with China’s slave labor companies that churn out all the JUNK we can buy so cheaply but is just that: cheap goods. There was a time when all foreign goods had tariffs levied on them–and the USA was not drowning in debt. Yes, capitalism is fine…to a point. But then Steve Forbes is one of the lucky ones, and would be enthusiastic about it in all ways. Certain things in this country are bankrupting individuals. One of them is health care. A devastating illness can ruin a family economically–which is why I believe in universal health care (which is working pretty well in Europe,Great Britain, and Canada.) Some Canadians are afraid to come to the USA for any extended stay–for fear they might get sick on our soil and be bankrupted before they could get home to their universal health care. Just a few of my objections to cut-throat, dog-eat-dog capitalism as it is being practiced in the USA today. (And we have a lot of socialism too, which people who get it seem to like: welfare, free school lunches, medicare, medicaid, farm subsidies for huge agribusinesses, and probably other “freebies” that I don’t know about.)

    • JC

      Ummm…no, no limit on wealth. But DO apply a justice system that prohibits private interests from influencing government policy.
      Make it an endictable offense punishable with serious prison time.

    • Robert Stuhrman

      You are really whacko!

    • s c

      Fem, you contradicted yourself before you got started. Just HOW do we stop the Rothchilds from getting richer? Are you implying that Americans can somehow stop people who tend to live in other countries from getting richer by ‘capping’ their income? That’s one of the many insane things Obummer wants.
      What you seem to suggest comes straight out of the alinsky/Obummer tech manual. Whoever told you that most of the Rothchild clan lives in America lied to you. If you were talking about Gates or Buffet, that would be a different matter. The idea that some people are ‘too rich’ is the other side of the same coin and it says that we can’t have enough people who are poor. Think about it, Fem.

    • DaveH

      Take off those Green-Eyed glasses, Fem. How much wealth somebody accumulates is not the problem. If Government provides them special consideration, that is a problem. And that special consideration increases as we allow Government to grow ever larger. As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.
      Barring Bribes, what harm does it do for people to acquire lots of wealth? Other than stirring up the juices of envious people? I would bet good money that those Rich people spend their money a lot less wastefully than does the Government.
      The bottom line for any economy is the amount of productivity that goes on. What makes people more productive? Is it Slavery? Doubtful, look to the USSR for evidence of that. Or is it Incentive? We became the Wealthiest Nation on Earth because we had the incentives created by Free Markets, property ownership, and voluntary contracts. We no longer have Free Markets. Crony Capitalism rules the day. That and greedy (power and money) Government Leaders.
      If you want to join the ranks of the Rich instead of trying to drag them down, then push for the return of Free Markets. That’s your best shot.

    • Bob

      You can’t educate these people that are brainwashed by the MSM.

    • ValDM

      Apparently, you don’t live in a border state to Canada. Many of those
      folks step across the border to get health care because of the wait
      time there. I don’t mean just elective surgeries….I’m talking about plain
      old health care. I live in WA state and we see plenty of Canadians
      in our hospitals and clinics here.

    • Pete from Australia

      Fem, You have a few things wrong! You assume that because someone had great wealth, it makes someone else poor. Not true! If you re-distributed all the wealth so everyone had the same amount, in 10 years the same people would be wealthy, and the rest back where they started.
      If the Rothschilds have great wealth, well, it says a lot for their acumen, and possibly a role model for other bankers who go broke through incompetence and fraud.
      You have to be really smart to hold on to your money in the face of rapacious governments!
      We had a great private health system until the socialists started their “universal health system”. Now we have problems all through the health system, and it takes a huge chunk of our Federal budget.
      I find this forum interesting as we have a similar system, and our economy is linked to yours, and we have similar political parties.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Fem,
      all the banks and other lending institutions charge interest on loans. It’s only usury when you charge excessive interest!! Like the Rothschilds did!

      • DaveH

        Joe,
        There is a non-government solution to usury interest rates. Don’t borrow the money!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Amen to that!!!

  • CLARENCE SWINNEY

    DISGUSTING
    Note how Big Ten banks are making big profits

    One way Fed lets them have money with 1/4th of one percent interest.
    They borrow it and then buy government bonds at 3-4%.
    Folks! This is so stupid it is hard to believe.

    How can this be allowed?

    I is simple.Put WSA agents in charge of government finances is how it is done A SHAME ON US.

    • DaveH

      Sure, how about this?
      http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20091211/1afedpay11_st.art.htm?loc=interstitialskip
      Why do we allow Government Employees to earn more than most of us who pay the bills are earning?

    • DaveH

      Yes, curse those banks for making profits. They should give their services freely like those generous Union members do.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        DaveH,
        Didn’t you know all the PROGRESSIVE banks do that??? Free everything. Oh wait, there are no progressive banks. Maybe that’s why!!!

  • CLARENCE SWINNEY

    Why Why Why
    Do International Polls show consistently that residents in Socialist Nations are much Happier than in Capitalistic nations???WHY?

    Largest Capitalistic nation in world has most unhappiest people.

    WHY? Corpocracy is not Democracy. Aristocracy is not Democracy.

    Study Democratic Socialist Germany.
    Whups America on most measurments of success.
    We are an ego nation. Look in the mirror.

    Ok I am moving. Siberia here I cometh.

    • DaveH

      Ignorance is Bliss?

    • Karolyn

      Love it! I saw a piece on TV about Sweden where it’s “one for all and all for one.” They live very simply and don’t need a lot of “stuff.” They are HAPPY!! They can leave babies in carriages on the sidewalk and not have to worry about them. They feel that people are more important than things. They don’t argue politics amongst themselves and truly love their neighbor. This country could never be that way because of selfishness and greed and the big fat ego. And we can never go back to simpler times. The deed is done. I’m just glad I was raised in the 50s and 60s and that I never had kids. When’s the next boat for Sweden? It would be so wonderful not to have to hear all the BS coming out of all the mouthes that all know how to fix things amd what’s wrong with the other guy. It ain’t fixable unless we all come together as brothers and sisters; and you know damn well that ain’t happenin’!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Karolyn,
        There’s an old saying about that. Don’t let the door hit you in the AZZ!!!!

    • coal miner

      Clarence,

      Are you talking about most of the socialistn countries, Marxian or non Marxian?You may have a point on some things.I am checking out some of the websites.Here is one of them.

      http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/24 · Cached page

  • http://gmail i41

    Narxist deocrats never like capitalism, they want total government control over everything. Wheather it is prices or a widget, government control of production wheather it is grain or fuel. Any moron that thinks diffeerent is either a hard core marxist and a unAmerican moron.Democrats have been medelling in businesses to cause failure and econic messes. Just look how the finacial reform bill is slowing businesses, the $600 dollar reports to tyhe IRS, still think the socialist corrupt marxist democrat party care about the USA economy, they are for total government employment, government run businesses, government total regolations on everything, down to what citizens get paid for wages, This last 2 years proves their socialist leanings.

  • Attilla

    The most in debt American cities are the ones that have elected the liberal elite for 50 years or so. They all have public unions and intitlement mentality in common.
    Marxist/progressive ideology has to have a stake driven through it’s “collectivist” mentality once and for all.

    • JC

      My first thought is the industrial powerhouse that was Detroit.
      And after 50 years of welfare, unions and just plain TOO MUCH Government…is a third world city.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JC,
        My sister and Aunt used to live in Dearborn hts. It used to be a real pretty suburb. now it’s a dump!!!

  • Ken Brinzer

    As for Rob’s comments regarding Chip’s contention that free market capitalism will save us, I agree with both Chip and with Rob and that’s because I believe it is the only economic system that is consistent with individual freedom of human beings, a gift from almighty God that allows individuals and groups to prosper as they see fit, as long as it is consistent with just behvavior.

    Think why it is that historically communist totalitarian states had neither free market capitalism (diversity), nor allowed for neither dissent nor free speech (again diversity), and denied freedom of religion which allowed for the recognition of the universal rules of a supreme being i.e. for standards (a vision of justice), that could trump wayward ideas promulgated by state leadership as they might arise.

    Could that be part of why our coinage proclaims the idea “In God We Trust?”

    • DaveH

      Ken,
      I don’t believe there is a God, but I do believe in Freedom of Religion. Every person should be free to believe what they want to believe as long as it doesn’t involve force on others.
      I think Liberals dislike Religion (especially Christianity) because it stands in the way of their ultimate goal which is Total Control of our lives. Those pesky religions teach such things as “Thou Shalt Not Steal”. Nowhere in that Commandment is the qualifier that Stealing is Okay if done by a large enough Gang. The same goes for “Thou Shalt Not Kill”. Again, there is no qualifier that makes it okay if the Gang is large enough.

  • JiimCO

    How Capitalism will save us … wasn’t it free market capitalism and fewer regulations that got us into the mess we are in? Sure since 2001 Bush warned that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac needed a tighter rein … so why didn’t Congress act then? Was it because they were carrying out Forbes other belief of less regulations? After the crash of 1929 Congress put in the Glass-Steagall act to separate the banks from Wall St. … to keep them from investing your money in risky endeavors. Yet for all these years it has been the hope of the GOP to rid us of that pesky regulation which Phil Gramm finally pushed thru in 1999 … and lo and behold, it is almost 1929 again! It was a republican president and congress that looked the other way from 2001 to 2006 as the housing bubble and the stock market heading to over 14,000 that had them not wanting to do anything that would upset this apple cart.

    And yet you want to put them back in charge? Didn’t Steve also have something to say about that: “You don’t reward bad behavior by giving them more of the stuff that got them in trouble,” he declared. “If someone’s been on a bender, don’t give them another bottle of booze and say, ‘okay, next time get it right.’ That won’t work; even it’s a very good brand.”

    • JC

      Your thinking is a little too short term and fixated on Bush.
      He’s gone get over it.

      And no, it isn’t free market capitalism that got us into this mess.
      It’s “Corporatism / Fascism” that did it.

      Government involvement removes motivation, innovation and productivity from the market place and we’ve had far too much of that.

      • Bob

        What do you think the odds are of the next president changing things. Nil

      • JC

        Bob, that’s exactly the problem isn’t it?
        We need to let them know “loud and clear” that we will not put up with this Globalist BS any more. We need to sweep DC clean on a regular basis.

      • s c

        JC, if you read between the lines, ‘Bob’ is claiming that Herr Obummer is perfect, and we might as well surrender and (somehow) endure his being in the Whore House for life. ‘Bob’ won’t admit it, but that’s what he meant.
        Most Americans will tell you that a year and a half of Herr Obummer’s insanity has been more than enough. Four years of Herr Obummer will seem like 40 years of FDR.

      • Bob

        The banks and the corporations pick who will be elected. That’s why I said it doesn’t make a bit of difference. SC watches Fox news and thinks he knows the truth. I’ve been trying for 40 years to show people what’s happening in our country but it’s useless. Most people on this site think that our problems started with Obama.

      • Granny Mae

        Bob,

        Our problems sure didn’t start with Obama but they darn sure need to end with him ! There is corruption everywhere in Washington and we need to clean it out and then set term limits so they can’t do this again, plus they all need to be held responsible, right down to prosicution and jail time ! What they have all done to this country is criminal !

      • dan az

        No truer words said!

      • s c

        B, you did it again. Either you’re a closet progressive, or you have an Obummer-sized ego (or BOTH). For YOUR information, Einstein, I don’t get Fox News on TV OR on a radio. Wish I did. So whiz off. If I want to consult with people who have done a lot more research than I have, I KNOW where to look.
        Blast your way out of that closet and get at least one foot in the real world. If you’ve learned much in the last 40 years, you sure didn’t find a way to make it apparent.

      • JiimCO

        Really, and if Gore or Kerry had been president during this time, you wouldn’t be blaming them for the financial meltdown? Reagan was still blaming Carter for the recession he inherited in his 1982 State of the Union, I figure I still have 6 more months of blame Bush by that calculation.

        And I always thought it was Wall St’s innovation to use these derivatives that motivated them to make and sell more!

      • s c

        JiimCO, kindly remember that Wall Street got what it wanted because the federal government BLESSED the concept. Without that damned ‘blessing.’ derivatives would have been outlawed or prevented via common sense. Wall Street does NOTHING unless it cooperates with Uncle Scam – ALWAYS.

      • JiimCO

        I don’t think blessed is quite the word I would use … for the money Wall St pays their lobbyists, they expect results when they come back from a day on Capitol hill. Wall St is nothing more than Vegas and derivatives are like those crazy side bets for the Super Bowl, who will score first and will he thank his momma or God first. But everyone understands that those are just sucker bets while derivatives are outright ways to cheat you out of your money as Proctor and Gambel found out in 1993. Bankers Trust Co sold them some derivatives that lost them a whole lot of money and so they sued and got ahold of taped conversations where the traders are laughing on how they are taking P&G to the cleaners! The charade should have been stopped then but like I said, Wall St don’t pay their lobbyists for nothing.

      • JC

        This crap goes all the way back to Alexander Hamilton.
        Feel free to research.

      • s c

        JC, been there. Done that. If you want a challenge, get a progressive to read it, understand it, and accept it. It makes whizzing up a tree and getting soaked seem like a fun and rewarding activity.

      • JC

        I know your in the know SC…we had a chat about it a while ago.

      • DaveH

        For anybody who doesn’t understand what “derivatives” are:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_(finance)

      • DaveH

        You should also read this:
        http://reason.org/news/show/meddlers-at-the-gate

        Derivatives has become a buzz word for those who want to further hobble banking and related firms with more Government hurdles. Most people don’t have a clue what they are, but are quick to take the Government’s word that they are the root of all evil. Whether consumer banks should be allowed to trade in them is questionable, but I believe the consumers themselves should be the regulators. If they don’t like where the banks invest their money, they should move their money to another bank. That brings up a valid Government function – that is to require full disclosure on the bank’s investments so that the consumer knows where their money is being invested. Then leave it up to the depositors if they want to accept that or not.

  • JC

    For those who don’t understand what the Kenyan’s economic policies are all about, the article below will show you where he is trying to take us. And in all fairness it started long before he was in office.
    But! This administration has brought us closer to the brink of this disaster much faster than any previous administration.

    The New Push for a Global Currency
    by Llewellyn H. Rockwell Jr. on August 6, 2010

    You surely didn’t think that the governing elites would let this economic crisis pass without pushing some cockamamie scheme for control. Well, here is the cloud no bigger than a man’s hand, a revival of a 60-year-old idea of a global paper currency to fix what ails us.

    The IMF study that calls for this is by Reza Moghadam of the Strategy, Policy, and Review Department, “in collaboration with the Finance, Legal, Monetary and Capital Markets, Research and Statistics Departments, and consultation with the Area Departments.” In other words, this paper shouldn’t be ignored.

    It’s a long-term plan, but the plan has the unmistakable stamp of Keynes:

    A global currency, bancor, issued by a global central bank would be designed as a stable store of value that is not tied exclusively to the conditions of any particular economy…. The global central bank could serve as a lender of last resort, providing needed systemic liquidity in the event of adverse shocks and more automatically than at present.

    The rest of the article:
    http://us1.campaign-archive.com/?u=bf16b152ccc444bdbbcc229e4&id=d303bb1eff&e=2648d0e76e

  • OtherTim

    One doesn’t have to look too far back in history, or even look at current Socialist states, where the only goods and services are supplied by the govt. Soviet Union, N. Korea, Cuba, old China. Those products were second rate, poorly managed, inefficiently designed and built, and distribution intermittant. Only those in power or that had some connection to power, have access to the good stuff, which usually came from the U.S. free market.
    To think that our govt. can do a better job at producing/managing goods and services (health care, cars, energy, banks, etc) than the pvt sector is, ludicrous.

  • FreedomFighter

    A return to the values and principles that made America the greatest nation ever in the history of the human race cant be bad us or humanity as a whole, except for the Marxist/Progressive Liberals and evil Communist elite.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • DaveH

      I agree.

  • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

    Where are all the Commies this morning. Sleeping, I imagine. More Government is the problem not the solution. We need to be vigilent in these perious times. It will take at least 10 years to correct all of this nonsense that has been foisted upon us.

    • gregory

      39 years just to return to the level we were at just 2 years ago!!

      • DaveH

        Maybe not. Our country has gone through sea changes of policy in very short time in the past. Usually bad though. But we can do this. It is just a matter of waking up enough citizens to get the ball rolling. And I think the Internet will work out to be a major player in that. Obama knows that, which is why he’s trying hard to gain control over it.
        We need to focus our energy on electing representatives who will promise to roll back the size of Government dramatically. If they don’t keep those promises, then out they go on the very next election.
        There is a political party that has stood on those principles since their inception, but they have been swept under the rug by the two major parties who enjoy the fruits of our loss of freedom. That political party is the Libertarian Party.
        Many people fear their drug stance. But let’s face it, the drug wars have been a costly, miserable failure, not to mention being the excuse for much loss of our freedom with Nazi-style raids on innocent victims, etc:
        http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/

        And others fear the Libertarian belief that we should not be the World’s Policemen. Again, what have we really accomplished with that? Do you think when we finally give up on Afghanistan and Iraq that they are going to become peace-loving nations? That is not to say that we shouldn’t defend our own country rigorously. But, we could have accomplished that after 911 by punishing Afghanistan hard, and then get the flock out. After a few such rounds of that, they would not mess with us again.

        The Libertarian Party believes that the Government has no business protecting people from themselves. Government’s only role should be to protect us from the force of others. Instead, they have become the Forcers. Who protects us from them?

      • gregory

        dave h

        i think we should work on a law that says if a politician doesent
        live up to the promises they made on the trail that got them elected, then they will be fired and have to spend a minimum of one year in a federal prision, that might help to drive out some of the corrupt, one year for telling half truths as well, or any lie for that matter…

  • chucky

    This administration’s master plan was to turn the American economy green and creating jobs by converting everything to solar and less dependency on oil. They thought that all of the just making my bills,working two jobs to survive families were just going to put a $50k plus investment into their in most cases already upside down homes. This was their plan to jumpstart the economy. The public did not buy it(some in better financial shape did,hell even Al Gore won’t convert his home with the 100′s of millions he made spewing his rhetoric LOL)anyone who was smart did not get put into this headlock waiting for the newer technology where you will be able to heat and power your home with smaller panels. Also. This administration did not break down the word capitolism. When the banks and GM, Chrysler, were going belly up. They should of said to them lesson to be learned, now some other company will CAPITOLIZE on the situation and purchase what is left of your company for pennies on the dollar. A good example is Fiskar bought a Deleware auto plant to produce it’s electric cars. This bailout was done for one reason to save the greedy union bastards that bled the auto companies dry. The banks should of had been investagated(I know martha stewart is the only felon on Wall Street LOL)and corporate officers should of went to jail like Enron’s if found to sell investments they knew were losers from the start. If Goldman Sachs was caught bilking the public(and they were) there should be fraud charges not a big monetary fine. People needed to be held responsible for their actions that caused this.(omg I said the R word LOL) But a company would of bought them out instead of the government bailing them out. I admire the Ford Motor Company for telling them to go to hell we will fix it ourselves. Next new car will be a Ford or Lincoln (seems the American public agrees selling more new cars than the other 2)

    • gregory

      chuck

      no more chevy trucks for me either, i will give ford my business for now on, starve the turn coats out…teach them a lesson for selling out to the thugs, reward ford for not rolling over…

      • s c

        Gregory, RIGHT ON! SCREW DETROIT (Detroit’s whores, that is). I will consider Ford, and the others can look forward to a predictable economic fate.
        Fair is fair, and man, is Detroit staring down the barrel of poetic justice. Comrade Lenin finally got
        what he wanted – thanks to Herr Obummer. Savor the flavor, you miserable Detroit mammy jammers.

      • gregory

        s c

        i like your style..

      • Bob

        I always thought Ford was located in Detroit. What does sc stand for, stupid commie?

      • DaveH

        That’s why he said “Detroit’s whores, that is”, you stupid Liberal.

      • Claire

        DaveH– My full size van is a Chevy. It is a ’94, an 8 cylinder, has a car chassis and rides like a dream. I have 167,342 miles on it and it is still running like a top. Other than routine maintenance plus a fuel pump, a water pump, plugs and points, routine oil changes, and tires, it has been a jewel. The air conditioner/heater is marvelous. It has been all over the USA. It never broke down on me while traveling. It gets a “physical” every May and in November. I have always properly maintained it, and I get 21 miles to the gallon on the interstate. I know that isn’t the best mileage but then I haven’t had a car payment for years and years. My ’69 Chevy Camaro Rally Sport gets less mileage, not driven much, but it is a dandy. Bob has a 2002 Jeep and I like it too. I guess when we have to trade, it will be for a Ford. Although I do like Chevys. Can’t help it–I grew up with them.

      • gregory

        s c

        i understood what you meant!!!

    • JC

      For sure…never again will I buy anything from
      Government Motors Corp.
      There’s a brand new Ford pick up in the driveway though. :)

      • gregory

        jc

        i never liked ford untill i saw chevy tun coat..
        there is a brand new ford super duty in my drive way as well, still has the paper plates on it , my whole family is starting to make that transition as well, give gov-chevy a lesson and starve them out for taking the gov candy, tell a friend that tells a friend and before you know it we all give them a lesson.
        chevy should have just plain and simple fil’d bankruptcy and reopen’d as a non union shop, the money saved would have gone into a quality product instead of decreasing in quality, bring back the chevy 454…

      • JC

        It must be catching. There are 9 pick ups on my street, 8 are new Fords, one is a new Dodge…no Chevy’s.

      • gregory

        j c

        i have seen this trend in my area as well and think its funny .

      • DaveH

        I love it.

      • American Citizen

        We drive a ’96 Chrysler and it has served us well and still is. We cannot afford to buy a new car, but until we bought the Chrysler, we had Fords. They were good cars. We cannot buy a small car as my husband is handicapped due to strokes and would not be able to get in one. There are things to consider besides being “green”. We still get good gas mileage and have had very few maintenance problems. Now that I’ve said that, I’d better knock on wood.

      • Granny Mae

        JC,

        ditto. My husband was always a Chevy man but no more ! He said he will never buy another Chevy as long as he lives. It is Ford all the way!

      • JC

        They’re actually a really good truck. my F150 is pulling a 28 ft. travel trailer that weighs about 6 tons loaded down…with very good performance. The new Ford 1/2 tons are the only make I know of rated for that kind of weight.

      • JC

        Correction…not 6 tons but 6000lbs.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JC,
        I THOUGHT that was a real strong truck!! LOL! Just kiddin!

      • JC

        Yeah for sure Joe…it’s actually rated for 11,500lbs. The highest rating out there for a 1/2 ton.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JC,
        I had a 70 F100 pick-up that I adapted to 3/4 ton springs, 150# airshocks, heavy duty drivetrain. I carried over one ton in it on the turnpike many times taking steel to my father. That thing would go just about anywhere, too. I miss that truck now!! It even got 20 miles to the gallon!

    • Granny Mae

      chucky,

      Amen, you said it all ! No one is held responsible any more ! Too bad for us !

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

    Words have consequences.

    Capitalism is a word preferred by the not-progressive Regressives. I prefer free enterprise and freedom of enterprise.

  • Bob

    He’s a free trader and we’ve seen over the last 20 years how it destroyed our manufaturing.He’s just another DC insider. He tried to push a flat tax that would have the rich paying less taxes.When I was in school the top tax rate was 89%. Now it’s 39%.

    • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

      Free trade did not destroy our manufacturing; fascism (excessive regulations and taxes) did.

      • s c

        Poorgrandchildren, people like ‘Bob’ also helped destroy American manufacturing. He’s too far gone to admit or understand it. “Useful idiot” is a polite way to describe his daily behavior.

      • DaveH

        It will amaze me to my dying day how these ignorant Liberals will rail about Free Trade where people make voluntary choices about what they will spend their money on, but offer in its place Big Government which forces their decisions on the rest of the citizens.
        How can replacing Corporate Officers (who either please their consumers or go out of business) with Government Power Brokers (who don’t care if the consumers are pleased or not) be an acceptable alternative to anybody who has half a brain?

      • s c

        DaveH, I know. Progressives recruit from the lower end of the simian gene pool (aka feces-slinging puppets in the ‘big tent’). They know their “newies” are already substandard, they are allergic to having any functional standards and they will follow ANY pre-approved Anointed Leader like a lemming or one of Pavlov’s dogs.
        It consistently results in people making wrong decisions at the wrong time and for all the wrong reasons. It is more dense than depleted uranium, and I hate it in all its many forms.

      • John

        SC

        Thank you very much, now it makes sense. Why the libs don’t make any that is.

      • American Citizen

        I’ve tried to talk to some of that kind of Dems and they are so partisan, they’ll sink with the ship rather than put on a vest. I think their brains harden and nothing new can get in,

      • DaveH

        They don’t want to face reality. Hopes and Dreams are a powerful drug.

      • kate8

        AC, I know. The libs just won’t hear anything negative against their idolized politicians. They simply block it out.

        Amazing. Like rats racing to board a ship because they think it’s filled with goodies, so they refuse to see that it is sinking.

      • Angelwannabe

        Poorgrandchildren, I said this before on many threads here, but here on the east coast, 25 years ago, our town thrived,_ in industry today only one industry many two smaller ones remains, and is now headed out to Nebraska__Half of the main street store fronts are empty, where each once was occupied and doing well___ If you don’t punch a cash register, work in computers, in the medical field, or work for yourself here in our town, your screwed for a job__Severe Regulation and massive tax and EPA has virtually killed our town!

      • American Citizen

        I believe you speak for a lot of small towns.

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      It’s not important how much anyone pays in taxes. It is important how and why those taxes are spent. My tax burden has gone up and up under the Democrats control of Congress continuously over the last 45 years, and I am but a middle class person. A constant increase in the rate of F.I.C.A., sales, tobaco, and real estate taxes. When is enough enough? The Government supplies nothing of real value to me for my investment. I choose to end my investment. What don’t you understand. It is class envy that they constantly hold out the rich as a straw man argument. Do you want to become reach by stealing from those that are rich now? Don’t you know that is a violation of two of the Ten Comandments?

      • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

        rich not reach sorry.

      • DaveH

        Conservative, yes it’s a violation of “Thou shalt not Steal”, but even more importantly, it just doesn’t work for long. Most of the Rich got that way by providing desirable goods or services to the people. If all their money is confiscated, they sure aren’t going to keep providing those goods and services, so when those goods are used up we’re screwed. Pretty much the fate that Cuba has suffered.

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      By the way, the top rate is 35%. Let’s flatten out all taxes including F.I.C.A. As medicare taxes are, and tax ALL earnings (dividends, capital gains, interest, etc.) at the same rate. Eliminate Property Taxes (real and personal) and Sales Taxes (which are regressive), and tell the Government this is all you can have unless you can come to the people with the justification for more.

      • CLARENCE SWINNEY

        conservative at birth you rich dude?

        flatten dat tax

        who screams?

        Top 400 Incomes paid 16%
        Corporations paid 17%
        Flat Tax Total National Income?
        Flat Tax Total National Consumption?

        Income Numbers
        $12,000B Total
        Budget 3800B
        32% Flat Tax Required try and listen to Rich and Corporations yell

        Consumption numbers
        .70 X 15,000(gdp)
        $10,500B
        $3800B Budget
        36% Flat Tax try it on for size of screaming

        Corp pay 17% and Rich pay 16% wow wow wow what an increase.
        DOUBLED

        olduglymeanhonest

      • DaveH

        Corporations don’t pay taxes. People do. By necessity, when corporate taxes go up they pass it along to the consumers. How else would they stay in business?
        The same goes for the Rich. Money that they would have spent purchasing goods and services from other people instead goes into Government coffers where it is split up amongst the elected and unelected power brokers or otherwise wastefully spent. Little or nothing is produced by those Government expenditures. In fact, much of that money is spent harassing the people that are being productive. In other words, they are negatively productive in many cases.
        Where the tax money comes from is not the important issue. Where it goes to is the important issue.

      • RicSeag

        “little or nothing is produced….”

        Only roads, schools, military adventurism, income security to keep elderley healthy and in the market, product safety so the “producers” don’t poison us or destroy our environment in their quest for more personal gain, etc, etc. We can argue if govt is as effective as it can be, and the reasons why or why not it is effective, but to say government provides nothing is absurd.

      • DaveH

        I said “little or nothing”. And those things you mentioned would be more efficiently produced by the private sector. Even roads.

      • JC

        DaveH, Ric doesn’t get that in order to produce anything you must be able to provide something…that you actually “produce”. The government from his point of view just snaps its fingers and “voila” we have a road. Perhaps he doesn’t understand that the government gets the funding for this from the Federal Reserve wjhich is not Federal and has no Reserves. It’s a paper ticket factory. Also he doesn’t get that our income tax dollars are not used to build anything. They are 100% used to pay the “interest” on the loans of phoney money from the paper ticket factory. It’s hamster wheel of eternal, unnaccountable, irresponsible “control” over people. And that is exactly why it is set up the way that it is…Control.

        You’re damned right that private industry would do twice the job for half the price.

    • gregory

      bob

      10 % is a lot of money from all money levels, 10 % of a million dollars is alot to a so call’d rich person just as 10 % of 21 thousand dollars is alot of money to the person that earn’d that 21 thousand, i cant understand why some folks think millionairs should have to pay 51% and folks that make 21 thousand should only have to pay 10 %, how is that fair? why punish the millionair for his hard work and living the american dream, and reward the folks that dont have the drive to become millionairs ?? it just seams that the folks that want the rich to pay more are mad that they dont have the backbone to strive harder to live the american dream…

      by the way i am not a rich person, but im working hard to become one..

      • DaveH

        You’re a good man, Gregory.

      • gregory

        dave h

        thanx..

      • American Citizen

        I have never wanted to be “rich” as they have headaches I wouldn’t want. We have always had enough to live comfortably and give our children a decent education. Two nurses, a CPA, a teacher, a computer analyst, and the youngest works for a doctor. You don’t have to be “rich in money” to have a good life, just the freedom to live it without the government on your neck.

      • American Citizen

        We also invested so as to supplement our SS income. We have enough to live on and do what we are able to do. Hopefully, there will be something left to leave to our children and grandchildren.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        American Citizen,
        If the progressives have their way, you won’t leave your kids anything! They want to raise the inheritance tax more every year! Just another way to STEAL what doesn’t belong to them. It’s twice taxed. you pay tax when you make it and that includes the interest, then they want to tax it again when you leave it to your kids.

      • Vicki

        The inherentance tax is going to make an infinite jump to higher on Jan 1st 2011 when it goes from 0% to 55%. On the positive side a lot of living trusts will be created in response.

      • DaveH

        Joe,
        I was talking to a Liberal once about estate taxes. He said all the money should go to the government because the kids did nothing to deserve it. I told him “What did the government do to deserve it? And I love my kids. I don’t love the government”.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Dave H,
        Good answer! I would have loved to see his/her face!!!

    • Granny Mae

      We don’t have free trade. The only free trade is for foreign companies coming in here to sell and trade. When we go there they tax us out the a–! In fact we get taxed when we go to foreign countries to make our goods and still we can afford the tax better than trying to make it here. The unions are responsible for that. They have demanded such high wages and retirement payments and paid insurance that companies have to charge higher for their goods and then the rest of us in this country that don’t work for those companies can’t afford the goods and services we need, so we go to the Chinese imports to be able to take care of our families. Because of that the goods made in this country aren’t selling and they certainly can’t afford them in other countries. Because of that companies either fail or go out of the country to manufacture and then pay the duty to bring them back here so they can sell them. Now the unions have crawled in bed with Obama so he can force the rest of us to join unions ! Let me ask you, How much money do you think the unions get from their brotherhood? How much work do they do to earn it? If you the union member get a raise from the company you credit it to the union so when the union says we need to raise your union dues you say nothing and gladly give it up.. I shouldn’t say all members say nothing. There are a lot of them that see what is going on but the thugs keep them in line ! Unions are the most corrupt in this country today. Can you say Jimmy Hoffa ? It is graft plain and simple. When you can put a man or a woman on an assembly line that have no education, I’m talking 8th grade, and pay them $30.00 and $40.00 an hour to due one thing all day long then you will have their loyalty for ever. They may not be highly educated but they certainly are not stupid either. They will not bite the hand that feeds them ! It is control. If you control the food you control the person ! I came from a long line of union members in the auto industry and was a union member myself and even a union steward. I came to see first hand what was going on. It is corrupt from the inside out ! I paid a lot of union dues and got nothing for it. My company had to cut back so they busted our wages back and the union did nothing. They took away our retirement benefits and the union did nothing, they reduced our medical insurance and the union did nothing. They sent people to China to teach them how to build our product and the union said nothing. I could see that the company was getting all their ducks in a row to sell out in a few short years but everyone kept saying I didn’t know what I was talking about ! Guess what? They did just what I said they were going to do ! People just put their heads in the sand so they don’t have to think about it because it scares them. Listen up people, you don’t have to be afraid if you use your head and prepare in advance. All this talk about emergency preparedness isn’t something to be afraid of it is a time to prepare. If you never need it what do you have to loose? You can always use what you have set aside, but if you come to a time and you do need it and you never put it away how badly will you hurt ? We have put aside for storms but never for national clamity. If you loose your job how will you and your family eat? How will you make your rent or house payment? I can do without electricity. My family and I have gone camping for years and years so going without a lot of things isn’t a big deal to me, but loosing my home or my family going without food is a real big deal to me. I am prepared and so should you be. It is our responsibility as adults to ourselves and to our families. I have worked hard all my life and what I have I don’t want to loose ! Next time you go grocery shopping buy an extra bag of beans or flour, or a couple boxes of mac and cheese. Maybe an can or two of ravioli or what ever. It may just stand between you and big hunger one day soon !

      • Granny Mae

        Just a hint in case you listen to me. If you buy that extra bag of flour or boxes of product that you know will get weevils in it if stored too long, Put it in a siplock bag and squeeze out as much air as possible and put it in your freezer for a week or two. That will take care of any critters. Do it with rice also. Then you can put it in pails with lids or boxes or whatever and store it away in a closet or under the bed. Also invest in a dehydrator and a vacuum sealer. Buy frozen veggies and dehydrate them then seal them with your vacuum sealer and put them aside too. When kept in the dark they will keep for a long time. It isn’t hard work it just takes determination to accomplish. Our family has already had lay-offs and there was no unemployment bennifits available nor welfare either. Thank God we didn’t need them. We had planned for such things for our families and all is OK. Not real great but not real bad either. Please do this for yourself !

  • http://yahoo.com L.M.Howell

    I don’t understand why aqll the democrats aqghree with Obuma even though he is so wrong about taxing the American people untill they won’t have money to buy food. hat is what he wants since he hates The American’s. He wants to see them all starve to death. He is the nearest to nothing to try and run our country I have ever seen. I pray that the Lord has something better in store for us. Americans pray for our country.

    • Granny Mae

      L.M.Howell

      I will tell you what it is. Dem.s follow party no matter what, no matter who ! I had a dear old friend like that. She and her husband were Dems. through and through. They vote party no matter what. Don’t ask them to think or use their heads with some common sense because that is never going to happen. As long as they are loyal to the party they don’t have to think they just have to vote and then try to justify why their vote went so wrong. The statement I keep hearing is “Give him a chance”. They can’t see the nose on their face, and if they hear something that makes them begin to doubt their party choice then they will just not listen to those people again and they search out other like minded idiots ! I have had a 40 year friendship collapse with this election, because she wouldn’t see the writing on the wall. The last statement I got from her was “What the hell is socialism anyway? I don’t even know what socialism is ! ” My reply was sit down and look it up ! That was the last time we spoke. These are people with their head in the sand . They don’t want to look at what is going on. She told me once “well I’m just not the protester that you are”. My reply— You get what you deserve then !

      • dan az

        Ganny Mae
        you know whats worse is if its your own kin doing the same thing.
        to this day he still refuses to admit that he was wrong and will stay the course he’s on and argue that your a biget after explaining that I dislike all that have no common sense dose not make me a biget!the fight just goes on.

  • BigBadJohn

    Capitalism is the only system that rewards the hard working and industrious. However, regulations are required to prevent the sort of thing we saw with the S&L crisis and and banking crisis. What we do not need is 2000 page 50,000 new rule document.

    We need to hold politicians accountable, every single person voting on new regulation should be required to at least READ the document.

    • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

      “Reasonable” regulations and the lack of a transition period in the 1986 tax law caused the S&L crisis. Enough regulations equals fascism, and changing tax policy from encouragement to discouragement destroyed the artificial real estate values of 1985.

      • BigBadJohn

        * The Savings and Loan scandal is the largest theft in the history of the world.
        * Deregulation eased restrictions so much that S&L owners could lend themselves money.
        * The Garn Institute of Finance, named after Senator Jake Garn, co-authored the deregulation of the industry and received $2.2 million from industry executives.
        * Neil Bush, George Bush’s son, never servered time in jail for his part in running an S&L into the ground.
        * Represenative Fernard St. Germain, who was head of the House of Representatives banking, co-authored the deregulation and was voted out of office after other questionable dealings and was sent back to D.C. as an S&L lobbiest.
        * Charles Keating, when asked if massive lobbying efforts had influenced the government officials, he replies “I certainly hope so.”
        * The rip-off began in 1980 when the government raised the federal insurance on S&L’s from $40,000 to $100,000 even though the typical savings account was only around $6000.
        * Some of the seized assets were a buffalo sperm bank, a racehorse with syphilis, and a kitty litter mine.
        * James Fail invested $1000 of his own money to purchase 15 failing S&L’s. The government reimbursed him $1.85 billion in federal subsidies.
        * It sometimes took over 7 years to close failing S&L’s by the government.
        * When S&L owners who stole millions went to jail, their sentances were typically one-fifth that of the average bank robber.
        * The goverment bail out will cost the taxpayers around $1.4 trillion dollars when it is over.
        * If the White House had stepped in and bailed out the S&L’s in 1986 instead of delaying until after the 1988 elections, the cost might have been only $20 billion.
        * With the money lost from the S&L scandals, the government could have provided prenatal care for every American child for the next 2,300 years.
        * With the money lost from the S&L scandals, the government could have purchased 5 million average homes.
        * The authors of “Inside Job”, a book about the S&L scandal, found criminal activity at every S&L they investigated.

      • DaveH

        Why is it that Government creates volumes of regulations, then companies fail, then Government creates volumes of more regulations, then more companies fail, then……….

        Don’t you Liberals ever learn? There is no greater punishment banking officers or other corporate executives can suffer than to lose everything. The myriad hoops set up by regulations just cost our society even more money. They don’t guarantee against mediocrity. There is no guarantee for that. Human beings screw up. The more layers of Government “protection” there are, the more complex things become, and then people think they are safe thus taking no personal responsibility for their investments.
        All we need do is to make sure that corporate officers suffer for their own mistakes. A few simple laws would suffice to accomplish that.
        What is the Liberal answer to that? They give more of our money to those losers because they are “Too Big to Fail”. So, instead of the corporate officers suffering, they are bailed out. Unbelievable!

        The funny thing about these Liberals is that after all the teeth-gnashing over those dastardly banks, they refused to pass a bill that would simply force the Federal Reserve to disclose their actions to the public. So they want to regulate the hell out of the banks, but they allow the biggest bank of all, the one responsible for printing our money, to operate in secrecy.

        It is all about politics. What they really want is the power to shut down those organizations that don’t please the people in power. If they really cared about the common citizens, they wouldn’t be creating a mountain of debt for us and our children.

      • Granny Mae

        Dave,

        Amen, It is all crazziness huh !

      • Dan Burke

        See, the regulations are great for delaying (hiding) failure. Like a bandaid on a festering wound. When we have a festering wound, we’ll clean it first, maybe apply antibiotics, and let it heal. Government regulations often cover up the problem early on but does not prevent people from being human. So instead of the problem being discovered early on, it continues to fester until it does more damage than originally would have been incurred. Take all this banking regulations and the housing market. We were so worried about keeping our home prices going up and up (how many home owners “want” to lose money on their home value…), that we passed regulations to loosen up lending, to tighten down on drops in home value, etc etc. In other words, we as a nation chose to have government put a bandaid on what we feared would happen early on. A bandaid for those who couldn’t afford a home. A bandaid for bad credit. We had bandaids for all sorts of problems. However, all these bandaids did was allow us to think everything was fine and would heal themselves. Instead of banks being afraid to loan to someone who couldn’t afford a home, we assured them that the government (tax payers) would back that loan should the person default. Now I realize that this didn’t guarantee that those people would default, but there was good history and reasons why in the past banks had standards for giving out their loans as they did. As much as we decried it as discrimination, why are we surprised that so many loans ended up in default? We pressed for it. Because we gave them loans, this did not change their income. In fact, even some of the homeowner “fixes” implemented since the housing market collapse only delayed the inevitable. Even though many of these people received “forgiveness” of some degree, the underlying problem still exists that they CANNOT afford the home…. That is why some of us wanted GM/Chrysler to fail and NO government bailout. We wanted the market to fix itself. Which, by the way, Ford did to some degree and did not take the government money. If we hadn’t bailed out the financial institutions first, would GM/Chrysler have actually taken more aggressive approaches to fix their problems earlier. I am sure they knew they were failing for at least a little while before they ran to the government for money. Some of us had been suspecting it for a while and were just waiting to find out who “died” off first. We just weren’t them to all go running to the government for aid, and all at the same time no less…. And when the first bank was failing, if we had not bailed them out what would have happened differently? How many would have autocorrected back then? And if there hadn’t even been the GSE’s Fannie and Freddie back the bad mortgages (which I understand were originally GSEs then became private to take their losses off the government books and now are government entities once again now that the collapse has happened), would banks have stayed with more traditional money planning if they didn’t have that “insurance” to fall back on? And it is government regulations that allow banks to lend far more than they have in assets. Not sure what it was traditionally, but I suspect there was a day long ago in the past that to lend a dollar, they had to have a dollar. But now days, in our economy that we redesigned around our greed and deficit spending, a bank could lend ten dollars for every one dollar. Not a bad deal for the banks, as the money the lent out that was fictious could be converted to real cash and then turned around to lend out ten times as much again (and thus they would make even more on interest). See, if banks were allowed to fail from the beginning and none were propped up as too big to fail, then they would all take their cues from when banks failed making sure they were profitable and weren’t about to lose their wages tomorrow (or if they were, they would have incentive to fix it today). Now banks try to get the attention of senators, representatives, or The White House administration. So instead of fixing their problems when they could have a chance to save their business, they “bank” on government assistance until they get denied, at which point they may have waited too long and are past the point of failure. I say no to more government regs and yes to less. I would rather that they focus more on LAW, like enforcing existing laws and maybe fixing the ones that are broken (failing to enforce a law you don’t like is not really fixing the law but rather setting up a condition to make all law relative to subjective enforcement–today murder is illegal but tomorrow based on who it might be okay?). And to top all this stuff about regulations, quite often many of these problems already had regulations in place that could’ve/should’ve protected us. The problem is that the enforcement was neglected. Well, let me see, does creating more regulation fix the first problem? Because the first problem was failure to enforce regulation? Sounds to me that we’ll just have more regulations that are not enforced like they “should” because we again slapped on another bandaid instead of getting out our alcohol and cotton swabs to clean the wound, and then apply antiseptic as needed, etc etc.

      • DaveH

        Good Comment, Dan.

      • Deborah

        I worked for the FSLIC when it went under. There was corruption like you would not believe. Even then, it was all about doctored books and projections of success that were unrealistic.
        I had to see the people that lost their entire life savings and small business owners being told that they no longer had any of it. Of course they were covered up to 100k at the time, if it was in cash. This was an even bigger scam than last time!
        So that you know, the FSLIC was merely changed in name. Employees of the FSLIC went to the FDIC. Some went to the RTC, name and location change of the FSLIC, where it all started over.
        How is it we pay out billions of dollars in the US and never get a business venture repayment? I mean, the politicians gets in on all the big money ventures we invest in, i.e. 98 billion in Exploration for oil. We’ve found loads of oil, where is our repayment?
        The Congress should be reading the bills. The House should be reading the bills. Instead, they are looking for ways to start this entire cycle over again.
        Special Interest Money should not be that of the deal makers, it should be put against the National Debt.
        To much Fraud and dishonesty in our leads has got to be stopped. Corruption at the cost of our country!
        Not worth it, not worth it at all!

      • DaveH

        Corruption is a by-product of Big Government. As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.
        The only way to stop it is to greatly lessen the Government,s role in our economy. Especially in this age of the Internet, there is no excuse for people to not do their homework before they purchase a product or invest money. The Government’s role in business should be limited to enforcing fraud laws against those companies that lied to their customers.

    • Granny Mae

      BigBadJohn,

      I agree but I might go a little farther. First make all bills readable and as short as possible and they can only contain one subject. In other words no slipping in other little deals under cover. That is what is happening and down the road the Dems. will have laid all the ground work to change this country and government without us even suspecting. That is what is happening right now. All these bills that must be voted on right away are not the emergency that Pelosi says they are. It only , if we the people find out what is hidden in the bill we will put enough pressure on our state politicians to wake up and do their jobs and turn down those bills. Pelosi can’t have that so everything is an emergency and she will twist arms to get her way. Time to set ground rulls for bills and what they contain and it is long past time for term limits !

      • Vicki

        http://www.downsizedc.org

        Look under campaigns and you will find 2 that match what you are asking for.

        Read the Bills (if they have to read them out loud the bills will be
        shorter

        One Subject at a time.

        And for good measure you will find

        “Audit the fed” and “write the laws”

      • Kelly’s Hero

        Vicki, DownSizer is a very good action avenue to communicate with your elected representatives. I use them regularly.

      • Vicki

        Me too. I try to send at least one a day on at least 1 campaign.

  • Dan Burke

    AMEN!!!

    I know that government regs are going to make things tough. I am starting my own business anyways. Don’t know if it will work or not. Couldn’t get a loan from the bank, or even a line of credit. They told me that just a couple years ago they would have, but now… no. Not even if I could come up with proof of pending orders. So, with only what is left of my tax returns (working evenings and weekends after my day job… and giving some of that time to help my wife with the kids too), I am going to try and put capitalism to work in my life. My current skill set is building computers mostly. Great for my day job of repairing corporate computers for a outdoor products retailer. Now I am thinking of trying to build my own business building and selling home theater computers. I bought a used flat screen TV (I didn’t have one previously) and the parts I wanted to “test.” Not everything has been perfect and those imperfections have been perfect learning opportunities though. I learned not assume that all problems lie in the computer (I think computers sometimes too much) and learned that the television I bought actually has a history of failed HDMI video ports. Good thing it has a second one and then I confirmed that the computer works as planned… except the picture was fuzzy. With all the lingo of upconversion on DVD players, I was surprised to learn that some televisions report to the electronics that have 1080p but then actually down-convert to 720p. Another imperfection, and another lesson. And now Comcast is changing their digital signal, so I will lose most of the channels through the computer August 10th, but that has only forced me to learn more. Unfortunately, the part I found to work around that problem is only *just* becoming available and I don’t have any budget left to buy and try it either. But now I know it is coming and how I can work around the digital cable changes for customers…. I LOVE capitalism. So much to learn, and so much more exciting to learn them under the free market! Now to get my online “store” open for business. Banks are tight on their lending right now, so I think it will be something cheap unfortunately, and maybe later I can convert it to what I envision as an online presence. Until then, there are cheaper alternatives that would be ideal for a startup like mine with little or no cost, depending on volume….

    • John Guy

      Dan, Michael Dell started Dell Computers in his college dorm room fixing computers. He didn’t have a line of credit. This miscreant will soon leave the scene and sanity will be restored. Your problem will be staying ahead of the curve, not putting everything into something like Beta Max and not trying to be everything to everyone. I believe some day we will see Burke H.T.C. listed.

    • dan az

      dan
      I was told by many bankers that my color was wrong and thats the only reason they dont lend to whites know matter what your history or assests are

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    Our country with all it’s flaws is still a super power and we are still free. Our freedoms are being taken away by those in power. As long as this administration keeps passing bills that the people are opposed to, we will see a huge divide in the have and the have nots. Only those in power will have and the rest of us will fall into the have not section. We need to seek out those who will fight to keep Capitalism from being crushed by Socialism. We simply cannot let all of those who fought in wars for us (and many died for us) be a memory. Their time and lives at worth so much more.

  • rob

    Your freemarket philosophy is well taken and appreciated. Let me offer this observation. This nation’s true and real hope of survival is not in abundant freemarket materialism (I’m not putting down capitalism as the way an economy should thrive — it is THE system that works in a free nation). Our greatest hope for survival as a free nation is in reality the same as it has always been, but we have forgotten. It is our faith and obedience to God. We got here because of Him, and we will only remain here because of Him. The ultimate answer to all of our problems was summed up by Jesus in Matt. 22:35-40. Love God and love our brother. It we Americans would truly follow this teaching, America would be strong and our freedoms would not be taken by the ugodly. I love America, but I fear for her. We have deserted the ONE who, alone can keep us. If we will turn to Him, perhaps He will still hear our prayers for survival and perhaps will deliver us. But if we don’t, America CANNOT survive.

    • gregory

      rob

      right on…

    • Steve

      God bless America….live it, love it, or leave it…..

    • michelleo

      and A BIG AMEN TO THAT – GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU REAL AMERICANS AND GOD BLESS THE USA………

    • Deborah

      Guys, this government has taken us into terror we’ve never seen before, on a scale that is going to be the darkest years of American History to come!
      They have brought our economy down. They have over taxed us. They have walked all over our Constitution. They have infringed up on our freedoms. They have condoned a black man as “feed up with being discriminated against”, as a good reason to kill white people. They have raided churches. They have raided a reservation. They stand against securing our borders. They’ve given us Kagan. He has not proven that he is our legit president, POTUS. He is an ILLEGAL ALIGN! You can add to this list
      They are threatening to take away our personal wealth, gold and silver, if you have any left.
      They are now threatening to take away our Parents Rights and hand them over to the United Nations. They will not be under our current law system. Instead, they will be under International laws. They are attacking our CHILDREN!
      How did this all happen? Truly!
      I’d rather be a capitalist American ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! At least we have room to dream and strive for what we want.
      We are truly slaves in a country that has abandoned us. Supreme Court sends out hints, i.e. gun rights.
      Congress no longer in control, the CZARS are.
      I pray to GOD ALMIGHTY that Texas leaves the Union! I’d sacrifice my life for my country but not for a government that is hostile and offensive to America and everything I believe in. They can not take my soul, on this I am certain. Well, unless God sold me out too.
      I see activity here that indicates that things are unsettled in our region. There is no where to run. No where to hid. We are technically capable of doing great devastation to the earth. Biological weapons, nukes, and I’m sure things you and I can’t even begin to image is lurking at us straight in the face. Controlled by a man that calls all Americans terrorists.
      Children are apart of the total of his scheme. Mosque, children removed from parents, parents dead. End game.
      We are nearing End Game. They will start moving out our little ones. The ones over 10, are not worth saving. Islam laws will soon kick in. If you live through the slaughter, you might be lucky enough to see your daughters stoned for talking back. Your little 6-10 year old daughters will be painted and married off. The 100 million dollar Mosque indicates complete control over the U.S. It is a sign to the enemies of the U.S.

      We of course can stop paying taxes, they don’t care. They’ve got millions of immigrants and illegals they can replace us with. I’ve seen the laws they’ve passed. I’ve seen, Americans Excluded for nearly 350 billion dollars meant ONLY for IMMIGRANTS.
      They are cheaper and well behaved, illegals that is. We are bold and opinionated, to say the least.

      I have an 11 year old little boy. I am with him 24/7. I am lucky in that way but very frightened for him and his future.

      WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS!

      • RicSeag

        Unfortunately, Chip… It appears the kooks have found your site too and there is yet one less forum for reasonable dialogue.

      • Deborah

        I hope I’m a kook…really, I really hope so.

      • RicSeag

        Based on the above screed, I am certain you can rest easy. Your hopes have come true.

      • dan az

        actually debra your not alone the fight will come to us and then I would like to see these none believers faces when they get there heads out of there a$$s and look at what is going on not there video life but there life that they refuse to see.

      • Granny Mae

        Deborah,

        I don’t see a kook, I see a woman that has given in to fear and that is just what the enemy wants you to do. Just calm down and start thinking rationally. Think things through carefully and logicly and don’t let the jerks get you down. I say that because there was a book out a few years ago by that title and it seems to fit from time to time. Many of us on here will write what we think and feel or even what we think we see coming to pass. That doesn’t mean that it is correct nor does it mean that it is incorrect. That means take in what you read here and then discard what you personally feel is wrong. Above all don’t let this all scare you. This is a time in all our lives when we should try to prepare for the unexpected so we can insure that our families are protected. It is not all lost ! I would venture to say that 99 percent of the people on here will fight to their death to save this country and our way of life. It is time for you to sit back and take a deep breath and prepare for tuff times ahead. You never have to be afraid of anything as long as you prepare for whats ahead. Spend more time preparing for how to feed your family and how to pay your bills, or how and where to live if you had to move out from where you live now, and let the rest of these guys concern themselves with taking care of the country. They will and they will do a good job of it too. Keep your faith and trust in the Lord and he will dirrect your path. Learn how to prepare food for home storage and get busy. It will take your mind off a lot and you will have the satisfaction of knowing that you are doing something to protect your family and take care of them. We cannot get through hard times if we loose control and give in too fear ! Teach your little boy how to survive. Get some camping equipment and take him camping. Trust me there is nothing a little guy loves more than camping and fishing. My 5 boys sure did ! We use to exchange ideas of how to do things when you have next to nothing with you ! A lot of times that was the case too. Like going camping and leaving the tent poles home sitting against the house because you got side tracked and didn’t stick them in the trunk ! One good thing to do is, before you start to pack make a list of all the things you might need and then lay it all out before putting it in the car. I got so good at this that I had everything needed for camping all packed into one good size tote and all I had to do was grab it and throw it in the car and head out ! This was a every-week-end thing for us in the summer. It took us usually about 50 miles from home . Not to far but far enough to feel as though we out and away from home. It is a good way to learn what you would need in an emergency and what you can do without. Get the book Roughing it Easy, and have fun ! You will find that the more you know and can trust on yourself the less you will fear at any time. Chin up and do not be afraid !

      • Granny Mae

        Oh another thing, you can start by camping right in your own back yard ! Do that a few times first if you have never been camping before. Think of things you can cook for meals on an open fire. Hot dogs on a stick, or hamburgs wrapped in foil and then for desert how about roasting marshmallows ? Remember to keep all your food and trash , when camping in your car at night. Clean up the camp sight spotless or you may find yourself trying to stay out of range of a skunk ! LOL ! They won’t hurt you but they sure can put a stink on you if you freighten them !

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Granny Mae,
        I always plan for the unexpected. That has stood me in good shape for a very long 59 years. Not long to many, but at times 3 or 4 lifetimes to me!

      • NormP

        PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE use your spell checker and grammar checker !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Normal

      Calling for a return to God and his rule in our hearts so he will bless us for obedience, hmmm, have you read Jerimiah recently? History is repeating, we deny him and exit ramp is the only choice!!

  • s c

    There are many, MANY ways to explore this topic, Chip. The basic common denominator in our economic mess is an all-consuming love of power, an inherently defective mind and a robotic determination to spit in the face of reason and common sense. In short, that defines most career politicians and all of their camp-following strumpets.
    We know what doesn’t work (especially in economics), but in the Mary Poppins and Peter Pan world of retarded dreamers and theoreticians, fantasy is reality, and reality is fantasy. That defective mentality gave the world all manner of failed economic and social disasters, and provides international puppet masters with an endless supply of “A-list candidates.”

    • DeJay

      s c gives a pretty good discription of politicians. When we vote them in, we give them power. What do the majority of voters know about those they vote in? Evidently very little judging from the way this country is run. One California politician was calling an airport for information about a flight to Pepsi Cola, Florida. Another complained that his room didn’t have an ocean view from inland Orlando, Florida. Still another asked if she could see England from Canada because they seem so close on a map. This is the kind of people are supposed to run our country? They vote on 2000 page bills without reading them. Even if they tried, they wouldn’t the time. Did you know that a congress person does not have to be at his job during working hours but can be jaunting around the worl for a look-see or that they can retire after one term with retirement benefits. Many become lobbyists for big corporations and work to further our detriment. Presidents appoint friends and relatives or people who will support the presidents agenda, not really one qualified with knowledge to have the position under their control. The power is with the people if only they would organize and work together as a cohesive force.

  • JeffH

    Without capitalism and the free market there is nothing this country has to build on. Without these two entities functioning similtaneously, all you have left is government…a non-industry base that can only print phony money, contributes nothing and can only collect until there is nothing else to collect…DOOM is where this country is headed unless we the people force change on our government.
    That change starts Nov 2 2010.

    • JC

      Indeed, free market capitalism is the ONLY thing that will save us.
      And I don’t mean the hand in hand corporatism that we’re so used to either. I mean get the government right out of the market…innovation just isn’t their “thing”.

    • Angelwannabe

      I agree Jeff!__I find absolutely fasinating, when the Hollywood actors and actresses, claim they support the Facist Obamatic Agenda, when CAPITALISM (with a big C), is the very thing, that gives them the oppertunities to be rich!

      • JC

        It’s always the wealthy who advocate socialism
        …for the “little people”.

      • kate8

        JC, Because all the wealth stays at the top.

        The “little people” get just enough to survive and stay in line.

      • Vicki

        From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.

        Liberals have a VERY overblown idea about their “needs”.

      • Craig

        If the little people are to stupid to work their way up the latter, then they deserve crumbs.

      • Craig

        latter = ladder

      • JC

        Craig, I don’t understand your obvious contempt for working people.
        Is it that they are too “stupid” as you so arrogantly put it, or is it that the game is rigged? I know many intelligent, hard working people who are barely making it because every time they get close to bettering themselves the IRS, or a government agency swats them back down.

      • Bob Wire

        LOL! good follow up comments by all to Mr. Woods article.

        It’s really not so much about money ~ but who gets it and gets it first!

        I can see how someone might feel a discounted fee should be an accepted standard fee if enjoyed long enough. I deal with it on a daily bases ~ I offer discounted prices to sweeten the deal, giving people incentives to act, only to have them hit me up for a discount!

        The Chinese and Arabs people seems to be the worst about it then all others combined. They expect to haggle price long after the price has been agreed on and the exchange made. You’ve got to squeeze the money from them. It makes it hard to serve such people and I’ve all but stop try to. For I like to treat people special, offer them more then what they ever expected, but I can’t do that with such “tiny” margins.

        The last 30 years America and American’s have changed. ~ I feel like the individual enterprising spirit has been lost somewhere. There too many people just looking for jobs while too few looking for opportunities. This is not all their fault as big business has crowded out small business everywhere you wish to look.

        Government has helped big business to crowd out small business. I think back on the story of Sonny Bono and his restaurant venture. ~ A city inspector demanded him to tile the bathrooms all the way to the ceiling to ensure cleaner more sanitary environment. Bono took exception to this ~ knowing others not complying to such standards and who’s going to ever pee so high on the wall?

        It was this event, that got Sonny Bono into politics. ~ He ran for Mayor and fired this inspector. The rest being history.

        We can’t hire children anymore ~ they are left to play with their toys.

        Insurances Companies, Government and big business seems to run our lives. ~ Which “might be” acceptable IF, they could hire everyone.

        But they can’t ~ leaving too many people setting idle ~ out of the loop. They feel limited and restricted in what they can do. ~ To say things like “get an education and secure meaningful employment” is a grossly over simplified statement. ~ There’s a lot of sandwiches between point A and point B to eat.

        Someone (JC) has been using a term I find very appropriate “corporatism” and “corporatist”. ~ This is telling me JC “get it” ~ he seeing what I’m seeing.

        I think this pronoun pretty will describes the bulk of this 18% Tea party voting block. For they show little interest in curbing the influence of big business and their lobbyist.

        Myself I find it are the very core of “bad government” and until it address there’s not to be a fair deal for all Americans.

        It’s the “corporatist” that wants income tax discounts to continue. ~ It’s the corporatist that wants property tax concessions assurances to invest and build. It’s the corporatist that wants the nice roads,bridges and infrastructure paid for by “your” taxes.

        Hey! I don’t have a problem with that ~ but let’s understand one another, the American People need to start driving a harder bargain but for the last 30 years our government been selling us short on the deal when it comes to big business.

        This middle classes are carrying the freight for all of this ~ and our numbers are shrinking! it can’t continue and America ever be as it once was.

        The question is ~ is this a good thing?

      • kate8

        BW, interesting post.

        The design for us has long been to squeeze out all but the biggest corporations, leaving us wholly dependent on them for survival. Which, but the way, is not their vision for us at all (our survival, that is).

        It used to be that business rose to the top by excellence, by ethics, by providing jobs and by giving back to society in some way. It was good to give them tax incentives so they could provide more and better jobs, and do more philanthropic work. They offered nice benefits in order to attract the best and brightest.

        Unfortunately, corruption took over and it became all one-way. They kept getting tax breaks and stopped being ethical, and stopped caring about humanity. Of course, the government kept increasing demands on them “on behalf” of workers, so they went to other countries to hire people less demanding. The small fish have been swallowed up or destroyed, quality has plummeted in favor of quick profit, and jobs that are left seek out workers (illegals) who better fit with there bottom line. The nice benefits, now demanded by law for every worker, whether or not he is an asset, became too much of a drain. (An employer should not have to be a sugar-daddy.)

        All the while, and their denials notwithstanding, corporations and corporatists closed in on government, taking it over, and we are left with tyrants worse than ever seen before. They have both the desire and the technology to enslave us to the point where we have NO personal freedom at all, and the means to monitor each one of us into compliance.

        I do not think that tax increases nor tax breaks is going to fix anything. This system is corrupt beyond repair. As long as technology exists to enslave us, and as long as evil exists and has power, it will be used for such because they can.

        The system has to come down, be completely dismantled, if we are to ever regain our dignity and our humanity. I believe a line has been crossed, and it will take something very big to stop them.

        Oh, I do believe they will be stopped. It’s just a matter of how much destruction is wreaked on us in the process.

      • Granny Mae

        Bob Wire

        I think you may have hit the nail on the head without knowing it. If you are dealing with people from other countries and it isn’t working out satisfactorly then perhaps it is because they haven’t adapted to our way of doing things in this country. Arabs etc. are use to dickering for everything and they think that is how we do it here. We don’t. We set a fair price and expect to sell at that price. They expect us to set a price too high and then have them bring us down to what they are willing to pay ! It is a prime example of coming to another country thinking everything is going to be just like what you are use to and it isn’t. They then get upset and want to change things here to what they were use to in their country, not thinking they should get use to things here in this country. It’s the beginnings of a lot of mis-understanding ! Ileagals from across the boarder have the same problem. They get here and expect to eat the way they were use to in their country and that isn’t the way we eat here, so they can’t buy the foods they are use too. Especially in many of the northern states. Instead of getting use to things here they start crying to their friends and family that live here and the families start complaining to the social workers and the next thing you know we are conforming to their ways instead of them conforming to our ways. Everything is suddenly written in Spanish so they can read instead of them learning to read english. I even saw an add in our local paper for free english lessons to learn to speak and read english, and they have ver few takers ! Imagine that ! It not only makes it hard on them but it makes it hard on us and it makes it hard for their children going to our schools. Getting a free education I might add. Free to them but not free to us ! Everyone want to come to the free world but they want to bring their socialist, marxest world with them because that is all they know and they don’t want to take the time to learn different !

      • Denniso

        Forbes and other Repubs say ‘tax increase’ when talking about the scheduled lapse of the tax cuts that Bush pushed through w/ most going
        to the wealthy. The tax cut bill had a sunset provision in it and that was the law passed by Congress…to allow the law to stay in effect and do away w/ the CUTS is not a tax INCREASE,rather it is restoring taxes to the level they were at before the CUTS. Forbes is not very bright but even he knows this,he’s just being political and self serving…he probably nets a few million $$ from the cuts.

        Obama is going to let the CUTS for the wealthiest and will continue the cuts for the working people….makes sense,especially since the gap between rich and poor has widened markedly for the past 25 yrs or so and the working persons wages have essentially stagnated for 10 yrs.

        America has NEVER had pure capitalism as it’s ALWAYS been a mix w/ gov’t influence and regulation w/ corporations battling gov’t for total control for their corporate benefit. We have more of a corporate
        oligarchy than anything else.

      • Denniso

        It’s obvious,but I missed a word…’let the cuts for the wealthy EXPIRE and’

      • Christin

        Ya know what, Denniso, I don’t consider people who make $200,000 or &250,000 to be “rich.” I consider people who make maybe $750,000 to a million and UP to be “Very Wealthy.” Hillary made me sick when she attacked the “rich” when she herself is an ELITIST WEALTHY RICH. Her daughter’s wedding was 3.2 million dollars…wow, shouldn’t we TAX the HECK out of her???

        Isn’t what’s good for the goose also good for the gander.

        Laws should apply equally to ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS, no matter what their station or level of achievement. Heck 47% of Americans receive government entitlements for doing Nothing while the rest of us work our butts off… what’s up with that?

        God says “If you don’t work, you don’t eat.” (See Bible)

        Everyone, regardless of station, CAN work (unless physically or mentally handicapped).
        But with obamaonomics… well, he’s the job killer… the small business killer, the free enterprise killer, the capitalistic America killer. The Godless Marxist redistribute YOUR wealth, but not his or any other Elitist Wealth man.

        And many before him have run our companies out of town, out of state, out of our once productive Country with OVER REGULATION, and TAXATION. We are now weak, unproductive and unable to provide jobs to the hard working people and the entitlement population that are on 100% vacation.

        Forbes is right on and so is Chip’s article.

      • Denniso

        OK,let’s see…A single guy who earns 200,000/yr.

        taxes,insurance,S.S…80,000/yr
        mortgage…………..20,000
        auto……………… 6,000
        prop tax………….. 3,000
        clothing………….. 2,000
        entertainment……… 3,000
        food……………… 8,000
        misc……………… 5,000
        retirement…………10,000

        total…………….137,000

        SO, $200,000 for a single guy minus these generous expenses leaves
        $63,000 leftover after living pretty well and investing in the future.
        That’s more disaposable income than the average gross salary in the
        country, and more than teachers make in my area. If the guy has kids and wife who are dependents than his taxes are lower.

        $200,000 may not sound like ‘the wealthy’,but it’s pretty damn good and way above the average salary of $45,000 or so for the country. Do you think that out of the $63,000 left to our guy in disaposable income he would be hard pressed to pay another $5,000 in tax?

        How much disaposable income does the average worker in this country have w/ a $45,000 income and living at a much lower lifestyle? Zero?
        Disaposable income(amount of income remaining after living expenses and taxes)is what determines if someone is ‘wealthy’ or not. Zero for most Americans compared to $63,000 for a single guy makes the $200,000
        income look pretty ‘wealthy’ to most of us. That $63,000/yr invested in normal times would turn our well living guy into a real millionaire in about 10 yrs…not bad. Is that ‘wealthy’?

      • SiliconDoc

        Bob Wire, it’s much worse than you point out. The problem with bigger and bigger and more consolidated everything, is the structures allow for no accountability to the customers, the employees, and inside the giant behemoth between branches.
        A giant company can throw out hundreds and thousands, and already have such a pathetic and dishonest realtionship to customers and such an indoctrinated positional force with pat answers and cookie cutter no training “jobs” that are clamped down into one size as demanded by the
        leader” one never sees, that much to all responsibility is lost in the shuffle. That’s what has happened here already.
        We get advertised lies 99% of the time, and everyone knows it, but the government has their truth in advertising crap laws no one enforces just like the seething borders.
        I’m amazed by what happens on the phone now dealing with any company of any size – the people working there know they are required to tell lies, but they are so insecure in their jobs and such robots that it doesn’t matter one whit to them.
        No loyalty going either way. Trickle up or trickle down what…? More like the bird constantly flying silently and hidden in both directions. Then add in the 1984 polled and purified talking points about goals or business philosophy, and it’s enough to make an honest person sick to their stomach immediately.
        Fake, fraudulent, and everywhere.
        There’s no going back- it only gets worse.

    • Richard Pawley

      Yes, Jeff, the change starts in less than three months. Unfortunately we have not had free markets since the Democrats handed over the economy of our nation to the newly formed and then mostly foreign owned FEDERAL RESERVE BANK. The Progressive’s new Banking Reform Bill gives them more power than they have ever had AND DOES NOTHING TO REFORM ANYTHING THAT I CAN SEE. There will be no recovery (except on paper – like in the Old Soviet Union where it was illegal to be unemployed) until we restore HONOR, INTEGRITY and MORALITY, a return to the values of those who founded the United States. Your children and your grandchildren will never know the USA you have known, but do not despair. Jesus said, “With God all things are possible”. So pray for the country, and pray for those who are over us, and trying to dismantle the USA and remake it, and VOTE OUT OF OFFICE 90% of everyone you can, come November. There are a few good Democrats and a few good Republicans but most of them have been there way to long! Send them home to a much (?) deserved retirement! Long live the Republic!

      • Denniso

        The Federal Reserve Bank IS NOT FOREIGN OWNED!! And, I wonder why god is letting the world go to hell if as you say,’all things are possible w/ god’? Aren’t the billions praying and pleading to god enough? Do we need more Christians? What’s the problem?

      • DeJay

        Deniso, the problem is that too many Christians may be praying and waiting for god to do something. It won’t happen!

    • Vippy

      We don’t have capitalism. We have a manipulated capitalism just look at the commodities like oil and follow their fluctuations and the lies they put forth. Take out the speculators and we will have once again capitalism that everyone can enjoy!

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