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Afghan Folly: Why We Should Have Dropped The Bomb

August 4, 2010 by  

Afghan Folly: Why We Should Have Dropped The Bomb

“It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it.” –Douglas MacArthur.

America’s longest war is again under scrutiny in the wake of the recent flood of WikiLeaks Afghanistan documents. For me the news resurrected a question I have been asking myself for nearly nine years: why wasn’t the war in Afghanistan ended before it even began?

In the wake of 2,740 dead innocent Americans killed on 9/11, why didn’t the United States government deal with al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden with extreme prejudice? I am talking the N word. That is because I believe that Americans would be safer and the world would be a better place if the U.S. had launched a tactical nuclear strike against an organization whose goal is to kill Americans.

The argument against a nuclear strike ranges from breaking international law to harming the environment and killing innocents. But nine years of conventional war has done plenty to hurt the environment and kill combatants and civilians.

So instead the U.S. has become bogged down in its longest war ever; a war with no end; a war that has no recognizable enemy; a war that the nation can ill afford to wage.

The New Pentagon Papers
Daniel Ellsberg, a former U.S. Marine and military analyst, precipitated a rethinking of the Vietnam War in 1971 when he released the “Pentagon Papers.” The papers comprised the U.S. military’s account of what was going on in the Vietnam War.

Ellsberg understood there was a consensus within the Federal government that the U.S. had no realistic chance of victory in Vietnam; that political considerations prevented them from saying so publicly. Ellsberg argued that Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and others continued to state in press interviews that victory was "just around the corner,” even though they knew it was not true.

President Nixon put Ellsberg at the top of his enemy’s list. Nixon’s Oval Office tape from 1971, with H.R. Haldeman talking, shows why the White House was out to get Ellsberg: “To the ordinary guy, all this is a bunch of gobbledygook. But out of the gobbledygook comes a very clear thing: You can’t trust the government; you can’t believe what they say; and you can’t rely on their judgment.”

Nearly 40 years later WikiLeaks released nearly 92,000 secret military documents about the fighting in Afghanistan. Its founder, Julian Assange, told The Guardian that, “The nearest analogue is the Pentagon Papers that exposed how the United States was prosecuting the war in Vietnam.”

According to The Washington Post, “The WikiLeaks Afghanistan War Logs will fuel political opposition in the U.S. to American troops continuing combat operations in Afghanistan.”

The commentary itself, provided below by the The New York Times, is chilling: “IN HEAVY CONTACT… We have mortars pinned down and fire coming from everywhere…. Multiple enemies running through… and fire coming from the mosque… The police station is shooting at us.”

As it turns out the Combat Outpost Keating barely hung on. Yet eight Americans were killed along with several Afghans. And several more wounded. All this from a mission that was to provide security and back-up the local government.*

Blame It On Bush
It’s not like we don’t already have plenty of reasons to be upset over the war in Afghanistan. But unlike Nixon, who wanted to repress the Pentagon Papers, the Obama administration takes the view that the WikiLeaks Afghanistan documents are old, dating back to when the war was being neglected by President Bush. The Obama White House points out the fact that the WikiLeaks documents end last year, just as President Barack Obama began his new strategy and pledged 30,000 additional troops.

If Vietnam demonstrated anything it is that more troops don’t ensure victory. Not against a battle-hardened enemy that can’t be easily recognized from the overall population.

As the chart above shows, in three years President Johnson almost tripled America’s troop levels in Vietnam. Despite ramping up the war the American military was sideswiped by the Tet Offensive in 1968 which lead CBS anchorman Walter Cronkite to say: “It is increasingly clear that the only rational way out will be to negotiate, not as victors but as an honorable people who lived up to the pledge to defend democracy.”

After Cronkite’s broadcast Johnson said, “If I’ve lost Cronkite, I’ve lost Middle America.” Not long afterward Johnson announced he would not seek re-election.

Don’t let LBJ’s decision get your hopes up. Obama is intent on staying for the long haul regardless of what happens in Afghanistan. That means the continuation of a war that kills our sons and daughters; a war that is costing our nation hundreds of billions of dollars. Just last week the Center for Defense Information, estimated the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will reach $1.08 trillion by the end of fiscal year 2010. But the real cost is much worse. As of the end of last month more than 1,200 American service men and women have died fighting in Afghanistan. More than 4,400 American service personnel have died in Iraq.

The WikiLeaks Afghanistan documents only confirm our worst fears—that despite a recent $7.5 billion aid package Pakistan is double-dealing and back-stabbing us. And regardless of how much Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gushes over Pakistan’s alliance, it doesn’t change the fact that the Taliban and al-Qaida have key support from Pakistan’s intelligence service and key players in the Pakistan government. This, and the fact Afghanistan has seen invading forces come and go including the Greeks, Turks, British and the Soviets, makes it impossible to imagine a scenario where America can now win this war.

Perhaps the only opportunity to win in Afghanistan was squandered nine years ago when the U.S. refused to marshal all of its strength to destroy al-Qaida.

Action To Take
More than four decades ago my father C.V. began writing Myers’ Finance & Energy because he believed that the war in Vietnam was unaffordable and that the debt acquired by the Federal government to win it would be extremely inflationary. He and his subscribers bet big on gold and silver beginning in 1967, right before the Tet Offensive. He was proven correct and his subscribers profited.

From 1970 to 1980 the price of silver rose from $1.60 per ounce to more than $50 per ounce and the price of gold increased from $34 per ounce to $850 per ounce.

The war in Afghanistan is every bit as unwinnable now as the Vietnam War was then. Look for even more war spending by the Federal government; the results of which will push precious metal prices higher. That is why I urge you to buy and own physical gold and silver.

Yours for real wealth and good health,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy and Gold

*Footnote: If you want to learn more about the war in Afghanistan and what our troops are really up against, I urge you to read the 2010 bestseller, War, by Sebastian Junger, Harper Collins. Junger was embedded with a combat platoon in the perilous Korengal Valley in 2007 and 2008. Read a review of this book at Boston.com by clicking here.

JM

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Norm

    Hopefully nukes will never be used again by anyone. It’s a card we need to keep off of the table. Once that card is played all bets are off.
    For you bible thumpers, Armageddon may quickly become a reality.
    9/11 will look like a sunday school picnic, when nukes start flying in all directions.

    • Granny Mae

      Norm,

      You can’t scare us bible thumpers, we already know what is coming. We are way ahead of you !

  • Bob

    We can’t nuke them because it might destroy the poppy crops. Then we couldn’t import heroin.

    • Norm

      Bob
      If we didn’t buy it they couldn’t sell it. It’s just free enterprise.

      • s c

        N, that’s just free enterprise? Can you say RELIGION draped in IMMORAL, God-mocking, unconscionable behavior? You seem to think Muslims rate a free pass because they’re good at spreading misery to ‘non-believers.’ That makes them a real, first-rate class act. You have much in common with them, chum. Do America a favor. Move to Iran or Syria, and make America a better country at the same time.

      • JRC

        You can’t mock something that does not exist, religion was invented by power hungry men to control the weak minded sheep that can’t or for some reason won’t take the responsibility for they’re own life and actions, God is nothing but a fraud, a figment of the superstitious sheep’s mind. As long as religion is dividing humanity and as long as the brainwashed sheep believe they’re version of insanity is the only right version and they feel the need to force they’re insanity onto others we will have war and destruction….sometimes in the future, after the religious brainwashed sheep have destroyed each other the surviving humanity will abolish religion and finally have a future.

      • Lubo

        and I guess the GREAT I AM…Mr Omnipotent JRC will show us foolish GOD loving peoples the way, the truth and the light. In all his POWER AND GLORY, Mr. JRC and Mr. Global Gore will personally see to it that humanity will survive after the foolish Christians are gone. I sure wouldn’t want to be you when you face GOD THE FATHER in HEAVEN. You going to have a Bad day bro!

        You still smoking that marxist DOPE, aren’t you?

      • Granny Mae

        JRC ,

        My, My. Don’t you understand , without God there is no humanity?

      • Norm

        s c

        John Adams:
        “I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved– the Cross.
        Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!”
        -letter to Thomas Jefferson
        I favor no religions incidently, and consider myself a Christian, but not a fool.

    • tg7357

      Nonsense! The Chinese and Thais will sell us all the herion we could ever want! Afganistan doesn’t have the whole market on brown powder: it comes from the Far East, too!!!

  • BABUSHSKA

    Over 5,600 young men and women have come home in flag-draped boxes, with thousands more maimed, both physically and psychologically for the remainder of their lives. And what has it accomplished? Nothing….but effecting the move of the Taliban from one strong-hold, and sympathetic country to another, continuing to bankrupt the U.S. and stretch the troops beyond endurance. As the mother of a soldier preparing to make his 2nd deployment to Iraq even as Obama withdraws troops, my son has, sadly, sacrificed his marriage and knowing his young son whom he will now never have the opportunity to raise. Yes, he enlisted, but counts the months to his termination date as all non-career military personnel do. How much, I ask you, can we continue to ask of these young people to give? Afghanistan is, and will be, a war without end. Nuking is not the answer. Withdrawing is! Bring our sons and daughters home.

    • Norm

      BABUSHSKA
      You are 100% correct and you have sympathy.

      • Norm

        That is: my sympathy.

    • Granny Mae

      BABUSHSKA,

      I have walked the road your son is walking. He has my prayers and sympathy. I fear there will always be wars as there always have. This one will be replaced with another one, and another one and so on ! I pray for his safety and that he comes home soon. Pulling out will bring the troups home but only to face another problem. Jobs! Then what can we do for our young men and women? We have no plan for them to come home only to bring them home ! I hope his life gets better and your sorrow becomes easier with time. God Bless you

      • libertytrain

        Granny Mae and Babushka – My daughter is still in Kandahar (her 4th deployment in seven years) and my son-in-law got back about 6 weeks ago. My thoughts are with you as well and appreciate all of us that have as Granny said, “walked in your shoes” -

    • William Barry

      I’m afraid it’s too late now. The day will soon come when this will no longer be just a soldier’s war. Surviving it, let alone winning it, will require every American between the ages of 17 and 50 who can walk and carry a weapon. The prevailing motto will be, “American, kill your Islamist.” Just like that fellow who tried to enter Pakistan and kill Osama bin Laden all by himself… imagine ten thousand ordinary Americans just like him, stalking the Islamist foe on their own turf, sometimes working alone, sometimes in groups, sometimes in small armies. They track and pick off the terrorists and their sympathizers one by one, like hunters. Before long, every living Muslim is looking over his shoulder, wondering if he’ll be next on the menu. Yes, a cadre of dedicated individuals like that would be something of an improvement in turning the tide…

    • Andy in Idaho

      Dear BABUSHKA,
      Thanks for sharing your story. I don’t think what the writer is saying the using Nukes now is the answer… just that it might have been at the very start of this terrible thing which has impacted your family and far too many families in our great nation and still there appears no light at the end of the tunnel.

  • pat riordan

    you americans regard the nuke as the answer to everything—–the taliban—-a 13th century army is trouncing your chaps on the ground—-maybe they dont eat enough big macs—-you’ve caused enough trouble in the world—-please declare victory and go home——-america is better than the military industrial complex—-and if you want to punish the perpetrators of 9/11 go to tel aviv

    • tg7357

      Chip, chip, cheerio! What? What? At least it wasn’t an American who came up with the bright idea of giving medals to soldiers who ‘show restraint’ in a war zone.

  • Victor

    We can’t “nuke” the Middle East and contaminate a third of the worlds’ oil supply in the process. If all Muslims are not terrorists then why haven’t these people rounded up Bin Ladin and Al Qaeda and turned them over to the authorities? They absolutely know the whereabouts and identity of all these lowlife bastards but remain silent! The level of stupidity in all this is that politicians start wars and create strife all over the world and everybody suffers for it except them…remember this in November folks and vote them all out!

  • Paul K. Davis

    One major problem, as there usually is when dealing with nuclear weapons–where do you drop it? If they knew were Al Qaida and Osama bin Laden were, it wouldn’t take a nuke. If they don’t know, then dropping a random nuke accomplishes nothing positive. Enlarge your picture–what’s the center of gravity for Islam? What do you threaten that Muslims can’t stand to lose? That addresses the entire Islamic terrorist issue, not just Afghanistan.
    Other than that, I agree with Victory’s “letter of marque” idea. Techinically illegal since the middle 1800s when the US signed international agreements against it, but terribly under-used in my opinion.

    • D J Lynch (KWVA) member

      Just drop it close by and the phychological effect would make the difference..A lesson from Alexander,the Great, don’t be bothered by collateral damage as no war was ever won without it!!

    • Granny Mae

      Paul,

      What do you fight a muslim with you ask? PIGS !

    • Granny Mae

      Paul,

      How many pigs can you grow and how fast? Then how far can you shoot them ?

      • Paul K. Davis

        I’ve always liked the idea of carrying pigs on airliners to stop hijackers. Not Islam’s center of gravity, but should be effective in making flying bombers think twice. Doesn’t help for Times Square bomber types, though.

      • dan of arizona

        Granny mae
        I love you

  • John Woodbury

    Lets see what is conclusion? OH, yes buy Gold and Silver (BTW, in the 70′s the Hunt Brothers bought a large quantity of Silver to inflate prices) and wonder upon wonder, this man has a gold sales business. What a surprise! And if America did drop the Bomb on Afghanistan what would happen, wow gold prices would really soar as the whole world would demand America be destroyed. And people wonder why businessmen are not trusted. In China it extras in the milk, and America, drop the bomb. Businessmen and women were once respected for the jobs they created. Now in the ”me” world no one trusts them. How sad. But thanks for a real good article for my Business classes in a few weeks. BTW Vietnam lasted for us from 1954 to 1975, so maybe 21 beats 9 by a few.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear John Woodbury,

      You are quite mistaken. John Myers does not have a business selling gold. He’s merely giving advice to help you protect your wealth, which you may heed or you may not. The choice is yours, but forewarned is forearmed.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • JRC

        Bob,
        I have seen so many people advertising gold, gold, gold…..the only people that will ever get rich from this scheme are the people selling it right now and making money from advertising it. During a total collapse gold is WORTHLESS, you can’t eat it, you can’t drink it and any sane person would NOT give anyone the the fruits of his farm or garden or any food or supplies and if you have a ton of gold. Gold as a metal during a collapse is worthless, you can’t make it into tools, you can’t use it for anything….well, you can use it instead lead to fire your musket….
        If we have a total collapse, it can be years upon years before we recover….gold will be useless during those years and if you have any quantity it is also heavy and cumbersome….people would do better to invest in something they really can use, something that helps them and they’re kin to survive such as supplies (that can be bartered) fertile land that can be farmed and maybe even a small farm if you can afford it….but gawd…NOT gold.

        All that gold advertising and sales just helps the person selling it and some people are dumb enough and brainwashed enough to follow this ill advice. I would NOT give you even one potato from my fields even if you would offer a ton of gold in exchange should this country collapse….and it does look like it will.

      • 45caliber

        It is rare (first time even) but I agree with you. Gold is only good if it can be used in a civilization. It is worthless – less than worthless because it is heavy – in any really bad situation. And it can’t really be used as bullets since the slug would drop a lot faster, reducing your range quite a bit. On the other hand, if the US does manage to recover, Bob is probably right. You would at least have the chance of not losing more of your wealth even though you might not get rich doing it. The real problem I see is that generally when you “buy” gold, it actually sits in someone else’s custody – and they will be the real winners if it ever becomes valuable again no matter how much you “own” of it. All you get is a nice certificate.

      • William Barry

        I agree. Gold is a soft, heavy fragile metal with a low melting point. It won’t react with other metals or chemicals. In metallurgical terms, it’s worthless… soft, heavy JUNK.

      • dan of arizona

        hey 45 who owns the lead owns the gold

      • Granny Mae

        JRC,

        Bravo ! Finally you have dispersed some wisdom that I can agree with whole heartedly ! Good for You !

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear JRC,

        You display a remarkable ignorance of history. The fiat cash you hold when a collapse occurs will also be worthless. The dollar has lost 95% of its value just since 1910 (thanks to the Fed). It will be no more than strips of paper to be used as fire starter. Look at what happened during hyperinflationary periods of Weimar Germany in the 1930s and more recently Argentina and Zimbabwe. Gold and gold and gold-backed currencies were the only “money” of value.

        Now look at the five year Dow and Gold charts. The Dow was at 10,559 five years ago, it stands at 10,680 today. Gold was $430 an ounce five years ago. It’s just under $1,200 today. Who is foolish and brainwashed?

        Just as gold was used as a medium of exchange in olden times, it will be so again when the fiat currency collapses.

        However, that does not diminish the need for storing up food and ammunition, non-hybrid seeds, land on which to plant and raise livestock, tools, etc. I preach that all the time. So, we agree on the need to be prepared.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • http://goggle jimradford

        you are wrong i have seen him on channel 13 talking that if people wanted to buy gold to contact his company, either for gold or silver, as a matter he even had gold in his hands, next fabble

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear jimradford,

        Sorry, you must be mistaken. John recommends gold. He neither sells it nor does he profit if someone buys it. However, we do have some contributing writers who sell gold themselves. It is certainly your prerogative to take his advice—and mine—and buy gold, or not.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

  • Ken T.

    It’s time to bring all our troops home, make them Border Patrol agents, and start taking care of our own. We can protect our borders if we get rid of the two faced crap in Washington. Stop sending billions in aid to regimes that do nothing to help thier own, and use the money to build weapons to use on us, and line bank accounts. Sometimes you just have to pull in all your guns, reload, and protect the fort!!

  • Victory

    A “War on Terror” is as idiotic and unwinnable as the wars on Poverty and Drugs. All these wars do is create opportunities for expanding federal government and impoverishing the productive populace.
    If we really wanted to punish Osama bin Laden, we could have issued a Letter of Marque and put a billion dollar price on his head. Then just mind our own business at home. We can neither afford nor rationally justify our globe-encircling empire.

    • tg7357

      There is a price on bin Laden’s head, and has been for years. But before you get to collect the reward, you have to find him, get past his fanatical followers alive, kill him, bring back the proof he’s dead, hope the remainder of his fanatical followers don’t find out who you are, and then hope you can hide the rest of your life, or at least long enough to spend some of your hard-earned reward before the CIA leaks your name and you get killed anyway.

  • Randall

    Afghanistan didn’t deserve to be invaded. 9/11 was done by the shadow government which is called the Illuminati. It’s about time people stop drinking this treasonous governments kool aid. What do you get when you connect the terrorists attacks together on a map of the U.S. Watch this video youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjCiz47_PTY

    • Coservative at Birth

      Randall, I wasted 10 Minutes of my time watching this video. Do you really believe that Katrina was caused by some man made technology, and that Waco is somehow connected to the 9/11 attacks? The Oklahoma bombings may be connected, but I doubt it. Flight 93 was headed for the Capitol, not intended to crash where it did. Do you know any members of the Mason’s? I do, and they are not evil.

      • Randall

        Yeah, I know masons. They’re into organized gang stalking and they get most of the good jobs. Consider your self warned.

      • Randall

        Here’s more proof our country is ran by Illuminati witches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=381KeLO4Brkches.
        If you need more info, Google “104 degree Ley Line”
        Or read the book, “Illuminati, The Cult That Hijacked The World”.
        Remember, Hitler said, “The bigger the lie, the more they will believe it”. They are laughing at you goyim.

      • 45caliber

        Actually I’m laughing at anyone who would believe this drivel.

  • http://gunner689 gary neely

    You are correct. Thanks to weak kneed politicians and our pathetic allegence to the “world community”, we squandered our only opportunity to successfully end the war on terrorism. If we learned nothing else from Viet Nam it should have been to win wars quickly, with over-whelming destruction to the enemy, before the media and our other home-grown enemies can dig in and subvert the war effort. At this point I think that the only chance America has for a successful conclusion is:

    1) Deport every non-citizen Muslim from America’s shores.

    2) Cut-off all foreign aid to any country that harbors and directly
    or indirectly supports terrorism.

    3) Declare a irrovocable national declaration that states if America is ever hit by a weapon of mass destruction we will immediately retailiate by launching nuclear weapons against every muslim nation on earth. This policy will be unchangeable and not open for discussion or ammendment by Congress after an attack on America.

    Bottom line is that these people hate America and Israel and will destroy us when given the chance. Strength of force is all they respect, anything else is seen as weakness. Those with the strongest Will will win this war. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be the United States. Our military is at war and America is at the mall.

    • Norm

      gary neely
      Why do you connect the US and Israel as though they are Siamese twins? Our backing of Israel is the source of the Islamic hatred, and our appetite for oil provides the funding. We are our own worse enemy.

      • 45caliber

        Norm:
        I see. Then you are calling for us to repudiate the right of people to live and allow the Muslims to destroy Israel? And you believe by doing this that the Muslims will then love us?

        Actually, gary is right. They do hate both the US and Israel. Why try to deny it or blame it on Israel? Actually, they hate us the most because we have all the wealth (according to their way of seeing things) and they have nothing. Obviously since they are loved by Allah, we must have Satan stealing the wealth that should be going to them and he’s giving it to us instead. So it is right and proper for them to destroy us to recover the wealth intended for them in the first place.

        Besides, who wants a smelly Arab who sleeps with his camel to love us?

      • Norm

        45caliber
        The Arabs hate us because Israel has the best military equipment in the world, courtesy of the US. Couple that with treaties that commit US troops to Israel’s defense and you can see the problem. Remember, of course, that Arabs hate Israel and rue its existence.
        I don’t advocate throwing Israel to the wolves, but let’s not lie about the problem.
        As far as the Arabs being jealous of US wealth (Rush’s playbook), that’s ridiculous for 2 reasons. First fundamentalist, extremist Arabs are not particularly greedy. Second most Arab countries are much wealthier than we are due to oil revenues. If it weren’t for oil these characters would be riding on camels in a parched undeveloped desert, as they have done for centuries.

      • 45caliber

        Norm:
        If you check, Israel has the best weapons in the world – their own. The Uzi is considered the best infantry weapon and the Mirage (their jets) are the best there too. So are their tanks. Why should they want to use our trash?

        As far as wealth is concerned – yes, their COUNTRIES get lots of oil money. And that means the tribe who runs that country gets it. I think there is only one country there that actually distributes the wealth to their citizens. As for the fundamentalists – where can they get money from? Not their government!

      • Granny Mae

        Norm,
        If it were only that simple ! The Muslims have been at war with the world for a thousand years !

    • JRC

      Please, if you want to cut of all aid to countries that harbor and encourage terrorists then you will effectively have to destroy the US also. Remember, the people we call terrorist are NOT terrorist in the eyes of other governments and they’re supporters. We the US are terrorists , support terrorist action (with our support of the opposition is many countries) and do terrorist actions CIA in the eyes of many sovereign countries in this world……we call them terrorist because in our eyes, they are and because they….gasp…oppose the principles of capitalism, democracy and greed… and in they’re eyes we are terrorists because we oppose them and they’re system. If you look at all the so called “”terrorist actions on this planet” we the US are the biggest terror organization, using military and covert actions to spread our political believes throughout the world so that our masters the corporations can move in and rape the resources of the countries..in order for YOU to be able to buy your gadgets cheap.Just because WE believe that democracy is the best system does NOT mean that the rest of the world believes so too. Who gives US the right to invade and destroy other countries in the name of our philosophy? And don’t reply with the nonsense of God given rights and crap…god is nothing but a figment of the superstitious and brainwashed sheep’s mind…he did not give anything to anyone at anytime. Moreover, your so called God given rights mean absolute crap to people that don’t believe in a God or the same God…and like it or NOT, Christians are NOT the majority on this planet.

      • Yvan

        JRC
        You just said everything I need to say. You are 100% right. I am convince that the silent majority will agree with you. The irony is this, what make you think that the rest of the world wouldn’t like to nuke USA for all the damage and the misery cause by the rich greedy minority of lunatics controlling Washington.

      • Vicki

        JRC writes:
        “Moreover, your so called God given rights mean absolute crap to people that don’t believe in a God or the same God…”

        Which is exactly why our forefathers formed the limited goverment that was the United States as a republican form of government with Constitutionally limited powers.

        To quote them:
        “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

        The observant will notice that they said “..their Creator..” thus emphasizing that these rights are given to YOU by YOUR Creator. Whom or whatever that might be.

      • 45caliber

        And if you believe, like many liberals such as JRC does, that you exist solely because of cosmic accidents and hence have no Creator then you should believe that you have no rights either. And I think that is the real key to much of the liberal belief. No one has any rights so why do we conservatives insist we do?

      • vicki

        But they do have a creator. Someone or something created them (and by inference us :) ). That thing gave us our rights so no matter what they believe they have rights endowed to them by their creator.

      • http://goggle jimradford

        to forty five cal.have you sir ever been the service, and if so have you ever driven any tanks, and if so if you are able to tell me witch ones, because i have being in the 11th armored divions, whos base camp was on weels for 12 months, so belive i have the right to talk about my tank that you talked about on aug the fifth at 12:22pm 2010, so if you have not been in tanks then dont let your moken bird mouth over load you hummeing assets,thanks

      • 45caliber

        JRC:
        You seem to have a very odd idea of what terrorism is and what it means. But that isn’t surprising. Most liberals do.

        Terrorism is the act of attacking and murdering innocent people to force the rest to obey your commands. Saddam was big in that. So are the Al Quida. Once they become the total rulers they keep an eye on you and kill more if they feel it is necessary to retain your fear of them.

        As far as I can recall, every modern effort the US has made has been to get our enemies to love us – not fear us. BIG difference!

        It is only the liberals who believe that if you don’t pay them to love you, it can only be terrorism.

      • BigBadJohn

        No terrorism is the act of striking terror into people. Terrorism is an act of desperation from someone badly out numbered and out gunned. It is their only way of “getting even”.
        After 9/11 people were terrified to fly in airplanes, they wanted the government to protect them. Because of that our way of life changed, the Patriot act gave the government sweeping powers to change our way of life. Guess what, from the terrorist viewpoint – they won.

      • Jon

        Only the US Government “won”, BigBagJohn.

        Because they rapidly implemented their already written-out “Patriot Act”. Too rapidly! Considering the voluminous size of the PA document, it couldn’t have just been manufactured in a matter of days.

        The shadowy puppetmeisters already had their PA documentation waiting in the wings, awaiting their planned catastrophe, to launch it.

        Crushing even more freedoms from the lovely yet unwitting US sheeple.

        How ironic – to even call it the “Patriot Act” – when the genuine patriots will be the most deleterously impacted group; at whom the Act was really targetted!

        It devolves into a pure Kontrol issue ultimately.

        Just a thought,
        Jon.

      • Granny Mae

        JRC

        BS !

  • Doc Sarvis

    If Bush’s bungling in Iraq were not enough to recruit more people to Al Qaeda, a nuclear strike that kill too few enemy and too many innocent people would strengthen anti-American actions all over the world. Al Qaeda has no “territory”, it is dispersed throughout the world. Killing a few leaders, even bin Laden, just promotes others and fuels the recruitment of more foot soldiers and lessens our standing with partner countries.

    • 45caliber

      Doc: I see. Then it would be in our best benefit to simply ignore them – or should we actually allow them to dictate to us – which is the whole point of terrorism.

      • Doc Sarvis

        No, we fight terrorists where they ARE.

      • 45caliber

        I am fully under the impression that is exactly what we are trying to do – fight them where they are. Do you have some information the rest of us are missing? Perhaps you could point out some better place for us to fight them?

      • Doc Sarvis

        No, you implied that I thought we should ignore them or let them dictate to us. I was setting you straight on my position.

      • BigBadJohn

        Terrorists prey on the poor. The only way we started making progress in Iraq was to do EXACTLY the opposite of Bush’s promise of “no nation building”. When the US started to spend money on infrastructure and made the poor feel more secure, then they started to tattle on the terrorists cells.
        I hate it as much as anyone, but nation building is how you fight terrorism. You have to get the people on your side.

      • 45caliber

        I’m of the other side. I believe that instead of trying to build up a country after we trash it, we should simply do a better job of trashing it. If they don’t want us to come back and trash it again, they will take care of the problem before it comes to our attention again. It may not be perfect but it is cheaper to be feared than to try to be loved.

      • BigBadJohn

        your way was tried for about 3 years in Iraq and things just kept getting worse.

        Try to imagine a “liberator” from another country has just moved tanks and armed men into your neighborhood. They blew up your wife and kids in a “surgical strike”. You have no food, electricity or water. Someone hands you a gun, are you going to use it against those liberators?
        That is the exact same position the Iraqi people were thrown into and the reason things kept going downhill for our forces until the tactics changed.

      • eddie47d

        Caliber, We fight them with intelligence but we aren’t allowed to learn foreign languages in this country so we have no idea of what the enemy is doing. We condemn their world and then expect to recruit it’s citizens.That would be a tough sell for any nation.

      • JeffH

        How dumb can dumb get? fast eddie says: “we aren’t allowed to learn foreign languages in this country”…duh!

      • eddie47d

        Jeff; I Knew I could depend on you to jump on that and that makes you the dumber ass. You do everything but make death threats against anyone who speaks Spanish.I take that back, You do make death threats. How many Americans know the Arab language? Did we know how to communicate in Iraq or even in Afghanistan. Hell no. Did we learn the Vietnamese language so we could get their citizens on our side? Seldom if ever! We go into many countries without any knowledge of what we are dealing with or even how to speak to them. We treat them like dirt and then wonder why we can’t get them on our side or even pacify them. So we don’t teach the languages that would do us the most good and we keep failing in our endeavors.

      • JeffH

        fast eddie, bottom line…you say stupid things, and with you that is a given, you get called on it!

        Point out my “death threats”? Point out my hatred for “mexicans”?
        The fact of the matter is that you can’t, in any way, shape or form.
        So either put up or shut up?

      • JeffH

        OH fast eddie, I just don’t believe anything you have to say.
        Just an FYI, American english is the indigenous language we speak in America, not Vietnamese, not Arabic and not Tagalog or any other foreign language.

      • eddie47d

        Jeff, Stop confusing the issue;your confused enough as it is.

      • eddie47d

        You have a poor memory Jeffy; Go back to a couple of your pro-gun conversations,especially when the shooting gallery came up. You got a kick out of shooting Mexicans and said how much you enjoyed it. You lie and then you deny-again!

      • JeffH

        fast eddie, it was a game fool, a game and yeah I did enjoy it, the game. Quite amusing….never did say anything about enjoying the killing mexicans…and that is a fact! Now provide some real proof…you make everything up as you go along, that’s why nobody believes a word from your keyboard mouth!

        Got another game you can play…called Bin Laden’s Liqueur Store Shooting Gallery! Go to the link below and then click on it and play the game…

        http://www.politesociety.com/

      • eddie47d

        How do we know it’s a fact Jeff? You made your comment (in writing)and even laughed afterwards (he he ,he he). I say you are guilty as charged. Stop defending the weird people that post trash and I might actually believe you.

      • 45caliber

        Not allowed to learn their languages? My, I bet a lot of college language professors would be shocked to learn that!

      • Doc Sarvis

        I’m sure that almost anywhere in the U.S. if a school board proposed an Arabic language course there would be a fast and furious opposition. No logical arguments to oppose the proposal and probably not a majority of citizens would oppose the idea. A vocal majority with hate would rise up against this form of education and knowledge about the world we all live in.

      • 45caliber

        Hey, eddie, I just had a thought.

        I’ve always been told that to learn a language and learn it well within the shortest possible time, you should go to that country and move in with some girl who can’t speak a word of English. You live exactly as they do until you learn it.

        I’d be happy to chip in on a ticket (one way) for you to go there and learn the language under this system.

      • Granny Mae

        eddie,

        You want to learn a foreign language? Well if you can’t afford a college education then save up $500.00 and get Rosetta stone . You can learn any language you want !

  • tg7357

    We don’t need to nuke Afganistan: what the government needs to do is slap itself in the face and wake up to the fact that we can’t win the war over there if we are going to play footsie with Pakistan, the Taliban and the corrupt Afgan government. MacAurthur was right: to win a war you have to go into it with the mindset to do what has to be done, kill who you have to kill, carpet bomb who you have to carpet bomb, and destroy the enemy. Its obvious to me that Vietnam did not teach the modern and current US military minds a single thing. There is not a single war on the planet right now that can’t be won with conventional weapons as long as the soldiers who are fighting the war aren’t crippled by ‘political correctness’ and ‘international peace agendas’.

    • cemott3rd

      Actually we carpet bombed Laos and Cambodia and all it did was piss off the peasantry that then gave their support to the communists.

      Even if you nuked Kandahar twice it would be as effective as firing a machine gun at a wasps nest, you’d destroy the nest, but still miss the swarm.

      • tg7357

        And the reason CAmbodia and Laos turned into such a mess is because the US, as in with the rest of the Vietnam War, didn’t follow thur and finish what it started. Lyndon Johnson was more worried about public opinion than he was about winning. So the whiners got military policy changed, and once again, fighting a war became an exercise in futility.

      • eddie47d

        He was worried about a war we never should have gotten into. He should have ended it as soon as he became President.

      • 45caliber

        He was the one who got us into it. Trust me, I was there at the time. And I had to fight it for him.

      • ValDM

        eddie,
        FYI, troops were in Saigon in the mid 50′s. My cousin was in the CIA
        (none of us were supposed to know this), monitoring radio communications. Kennedy ramped it up with more troops….Kennedy
        asassinated. In steps LBJ, and the rest is history. Those are the facts, Jack.

      • William Barry

        There’s only one lesson we need to learn about Vietnam, and it consists of four little words: DEMOCRATS ALWAYS LOSE WARS!

      • eddie47d

        Eisenhower and even Truman had an eye on Vietnam and so did Kennedy. Mostly out of fear of China. That was another false flag war we got ourselves into and Johnson never should have escalated it.

      • eddie47d

        Wm. Barry, Roosevelt won WWII and Reagan ran away from the war in Lebanon. Check your history but it has become irrelevant to most in society since most wars are senseless so does it really matter.False pride is not a reason to start a war or to continue it.

      • http://goggle jimradford

        in reply to your statment of viet nam were you there, and if so were,and if not then you dont have a leg to stand on much less to even talk about, i was but befor i joined the army and whent in on my own i kept up on what was going on overe there, all we wanted mostly was the rubber rights and to own some of the land were the rubber was at either way we could have a interest in viet nam, i know because my unit was on wheels the hole time i was there and seen alot of trees that uncle sam owned, so try again ok.

  • George Custer

    Where exactly would you use the nuke?

    How will you measure victory?

    • Fantomas

      In answer to your query:.

      1. Tel Aviv

      2. By the aroma of burnt flesh

      • 45caliber

        Fantomas: It seems to have escaped your attention, but Tel Aviv hasn’t attacked us.

      • Chris

        Yes they have! Try Google USS Liberty. Read up you will see. They are not our Allie, we are there puppets to fight there wars.Zionism is at the root of the Illuminati

      • libertytrain

        I thought the folks that engineered and “ran” the Holocaust were all or mostly dead. Apparently not.

      • Dr. Mabuse

        WTF?
        Ok Fantomas, even though the actions of some of the Zionists are shall we say “questionable” … Nuking anyone whether Semitic or not is not a option. My opinion is that WWIII is closer than we dare to imagine and everyone regardless of their ethnicity and heritage will suffer anguish and extreme hardship. Some say that the cabalists want to reduce the size of the world’s population down to about 500 million people… (some being Lords while the others are reduced to serfdom.)Let me hang on to my illusion that collectively, we’ve got better sense than that.

  • Only in America

    Why have such a large military if we just nuke everyone?

  • War Hawk

    The extended war created work and practice for the military.

    • Norm

      War Hawk
      Don’t forget the huge profits for cheney and government financed contractors and mercinaries,

  • Soldier

    Silly Neocon… Al Queda will never be destroyed just like racism can never be destroyed. The CIA trained and funded Al Queda members. You can find this info buried in various mainstream articles. The government needs its boogy man so it doesn’t have to be the boogy man itself. When is anyone going to ever realize that Reagan said it best: “Government isn’t the solution to our problems, government IS THE PROBLEM. Our government is more wicked and evil than even most tea partiers realize…

    • Vippy

      Correct, US has Al Qaida Name in its training missions since the 1960.

    • Chris

      Finally somebody gets it right, Bush senior & the Cia armed Al Qaida, when they were fighting Russia, The Taliban had almost wiped out the Poppy trade that our Cia depends on for there Black Opps. The only reason we went after them was for there minerals & natural gas reserves,& Opium Trade. the same reason that Russia was there, Who ever thinks nuking this piece of land is nuts!!!! We do not need War World 3. 12 of the 13 people who high jacked the planes were from Saudi Arabia, should we Nuke them? Somebody above mentioned the Ilumiati, they are correct. When the 3 towers were imploded that day all I could think of is what is this “Black Flag Operation” going to get the USA into next? BAM!!!! The already wrote ” Patriot act” was passed & the ” War on Terror” was begun. It is called “One World Order!!!! What we are witnessing today started when we beat Great Britton, & made our Constitution the law of the land!!! It truely gave us Freedom that no nation in mankind history had ever had. According to our Constitution the power of our freedoms lies with us & Congress, Presidents are no more than puppets to be strung aruond at our will. The people of the USA must rise up, vote these idiots out of office, & not just 20 to 60 percent of the voters. 100% need to wake up get educated about what is going on, & VOTE!!!! It is the only way that a peaceful solution can be found. If not Beaware Hell is on its way!!!

      • William Barry

        We may not be able to punish the 9/11 hijackers for their crime, since they’re already dead. But we CAN make them suffer in the afterlife. How? By declaring their next-of-kin as “marked for death.” Atrocious, you say? Barbaric? Perhaps, but it’s also taking the terrorists’ own rulebook of war and turning it against them! Besides, the populaces of Muslim countries would soon be begging and pressuring their own governments to protect them from “infidel death squads.” The Saudis, the Egyptians, the ayatollahs in Iran would be spending money and resources to do just that… money that would otherwise go to terrorists. Put the fear in the Muslim man on the street and put a financial drain on his government… talk about win-win!

      • Jon

        Dang I admire the researchers and lateral thinkers who DO come up with such practical solutions, in these postings.

        More power to your arms folks!

  • Nick

    Blame it on Bush.

    He let Bin Ladin slip away at Tora Bora.

    The terrorist won. That is why we have surrendered our freedom to anti terror laws.

    • tg7357

      Clinton let Bin Laden slip away first. Not that it matters: this whole mess with terrorism could have been stopped cold in its tracks if Palestine had been bombed to ashes when the first TWA airliner was hijacked.

      • bunster

        “Clinton let Bin Laden slip away first.”

        Clinton had been out of office for nearly two years when the 9/11 attacks happened.

        Some of the ideas expressed on this page, including those of the main article, are not just stupid but absolutely disgusting. You guys are not just a bunch of psychopaths but a disgrace to America.

      • tg7357

        You obviously forgot about the World Trade Center attack of 1993. Clinton was still in office.
        “Some of the ideas expressed on this page, including those of the main article, are not just stupid but absolutely disgusting. You guys are not just a bunch of psychopaths but a disgrace to America.”
        Thanks for your input. We may be a ‘bunch of psychopaths’ as you say, but we can be cured with drugs and therapy if needed. You, on the other hand, are just beyond help. There is no cure for pig-headed narrowmindedness. If you don’t believe me, go look in the mirror.

      • Bob Lusby

        Didn’t Clinton have him invited to the white house for kumis and apertifs? No wait that was Monica Lewinsky, dear me,and they look so much alike too.[hint:Monica's the one without the beard.]

      • tg7357

        Are you sure Monica didn’t have a beard? LOL!!!

      • 45caliber

        bunster: You need to study your history a little better.

        Clinton was offered ben Laden on a plater and turned it down. He did use a cruse missile or two on a few tents but that’s about it. By refusing ben Laden, he set up 9/11.

        He made a mistake – like it or not. And just because he was a Democrat is no reason to at least admit he did. I suspect if you asked him, he would have admitted it himself. I’m not saying he is a fool for making the mistake – just saying he made one.

        Get over it.

      • BigBadJohn

        45, maybe you try listening to someone other than FOX:

        http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html
        Was Bill Clinton offered bin Laden on “a silver platter”? Did he refuse? Was there cause at the time?

        Probably not, and it would not have mattered anyway as there was no evidence at the time that bin Laden had committed any crimes against American citizens.

        AND:
        http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=was+clinton+offer++bin+laden+&x=34&y=3&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0

        Claim: The Clinton administration failed to track down the perpetrators of several terrorist attacks against Americans. Status: False.

      • eddie47d

        Oh,Please 45 caliber, Clinton made his share of mistakes but he did go after Osama in those missle strikes. He wanted to do more to hunt him down but the Republicans in Congress said “we will not go around bombing people in tents to catch this guy”. The mission was dropped.

      • 45caliber

        eddie:
        Where on earth did you get the idea Clinton was going after ben Laden with his missile strikes? Is that what they teach you now is school? He had the missiles fired at random tents to try to focus the attention of the media on that instead of on his affairs with the ladies. He had no interest in ben Laden.

      • eddie47d

        Caliber, Are you that petty or are you only interested in twisting your ego.

    • Vippy

      Bin Laden died in 2001 in a Dubai Hospital before the eyes of our CIA who switched out the hospital staff. He died on complications of kidney dialysis. But we need a bogeyman. No way would the Saudis agree to have one of their sons drug thru the mud.

    • Granny Mae

      Nick,

      Thats a good try at stirring the pot! Stir, stir, stir !

  • James

    If we had just used a nuke then we would be able to fix the defecit and economy instead of what we have now, which because of the interest rate it’s almost impossible to get out of debt, and at this rate I expect the united states to collapse by 2060, if not much sooner.

    • Lubo

      We have already collapsed due to the unsustainable spending and debt. This has been the “Progressive” plan since President WW and then re-instituted in the 60′s hippies era(Dope Smokers). Follow the unconstitutional entitlement federal social programs over the past century and it becomes very clear as to how we got ourselves in this financial disaster. DUMB PONZI SCHEME is an understatement!

      The fact is, you could finance every US war to date with the aforestated monies spent on “Social Programs” and still have a hefty surplus.

      Having said that, I think spending 10 to the 12th power many times over on these so called “Social Programs” should have produced a little better results in America. Heck, we should all be “Rich” by now, shouldn’t we? I wonder where all this money went? I bet the “Rich” got it!!! I bet those EVIL CEO’s and small business owners got it because I am certain that our wonderful “Progressive Leaders” in Washington didn’t participate in financially raping our children and grandchildren’s future.

      Heck, we all know by now that a “Progressive” just looks out for us “Little People” and could not possibly be “Greedy”. LOL!!! Come on back Michael Moore, Jesee Jackson, Billionaire Soros, Etc Etc Etc. How did they get their Millions-Billions???…… Playing off people who are dumb enough to believe their marxist crap.

      When people realize this, then the REAL problems will begin, like you see going on in Greece. Their will be GREAT civil unrest when the dope smoking dummies realize that the “Progressive” movement is nothing more that a cute little name for a false “Marxist utopia”. All this has been cleverly cloaked in the name of “Social Justice”.

      As far as the war goes, either win it or get out…it is that simple. That means every tool in the tool box should be considered, no exceptions.

      • JRC

        Don’t blame the progressives, blame criminal corporate greed, a runaway and twisted and criminal perversion of the capitalist principle and of course, politicians on BOTH sides that are immoral and have sold they’re mandate and soul to the banks and corporate outfits.

      • 45caliber

        JRC: Don’t blame the “progressives”? Why not? They are the ones with the stupid idea that everyone can live happily without working. Or at least the slave masters can.

        I’d much rather live with an evil corporation that is simply charging me for something they make that I want than I would for a “progressive” who wants to take all my money so he can live better while telling me what to do!

      • JRC

        Ohh you mean the republican owned banks and corporations…you my friend are on your way into slavery..and sadly do not even realize it.

      • JeffH

        JRC says “you my friend are on your way into slavery..and sadly do not even realize it.” Yeah, right…now get back in line like a good little follower…bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

      • 45caliber

        JRC:
        If all these banks and corperations are republican, why does the Democrats pump so much money to them? And why do they give so much money to the Democrat party?

        Actually, I don’t think they care a lot about which party is in power any more than the parties do about who owns the companies. I can depend upon greed. They want my money and are willing to produce something I might want to give them money for. That’s not slavery since I don’t have to buy what they offer – and usually don’t.

        On the other hand, the progressives (as I think you prefer to be called now) want all the money without providing anything for it. That’s called stealing … ah … I mean taxes. And if you work for someone and then give them your wages so they don’t have to work at all then that is called slavery.

      • Mark Are

        Blame PSYCHOPATHS. Read “Beware the PSYCHOPATH my Son” by Clinton Callahan. Read it and learn. Google

    • JRC

      anyone that has any debt has nobody but himself to blame….it is the sense of entitlement and the stupidity to want everything NOW that has lead this country down the path to destruction…and of course that is exactly what the international corporations and bankers want…in debt slaves, and slave consumers brainwashed into wanting everything NOW just because the neighbor has it or its advertised on TV.
      The reason this country was so successful in the past was that people saved they’re money BEFORE they bough the car, home, gadget. The decline of this country as so many others started with the availability and wide acceptance of credit cards and credit for the masses. Suddenly people could buy what they wanted NOW even though they really could not afford it..and did not think of the consequences and now that they are realizing that they have been had and have been enslaved they cry. Remember the company towns and company stores where all the hardworking people had to buy from and never went anywhere because of the corporate tactics….well, welcome to the new version of corporate enslavement…all in the name of free enterprise and capitalism…..you have let the bankers and corporation pull the wool over your eyes, enslave you, put the nose ring on you in the form of laws and now they guide you to the slaughter house….and suddenly you complain because you realize what is going on….to late, the butcher is waiting for ye.

      • 45caliber

        As best I can understand your ranting, you are saying that at one time we Americans saved and bought from our savings. Now – due to someone else – we borrow.

        We borrow because we want to borrow and spend. It is the conservatives who insist that we shouldn’t. It is the people who can’t afford to pay back what they are borrowing that insist we should borrow even more.

        And I don’t consider the government borrowing so they can give the lazy a better living as being a reason I should pay for it.

      • Lubo

        JRC, Based upon your comments, I guess your assumption is that the “Progressives” do not own any corporations or banks? WOW!!! You had better check your facts. How did the progressive Dems in Washington become millionaires? I guess they earned it as a community organizer or as “Public Servants!!” or maybe full time “Dope Smoking” did it for them? LOL!!!

        In fact, your progressive President now owns one of the largest car companies in the world…GM or better known as “Government Motors”. You seem to have a simple utopian concept of who owns what, where and how. Some of us work hard and EARN IT whereas others “TAKE IT” under the cloak of “Social Justice”. When you “Take IT” then you have just redistibuted it, which is nothing more than Marxism. When you take something that does not belong to you, then you STOLE it which confirms that your ideology is basically “Morally Bankrupt”.

        Name me one system that works better than capitalism? Do you think that Russia is not run on GREED? How about China? How about your progressives in Europe? Why is it that OUR standard of living is higher and we have the FREEDOM to choose? Show me a system that has historically improved the standard of living for more of it’s peoples. You think “Socialism” has? Are you kidding me?!?!

        We are a FREE peoples who reserve the right to WIN and/or FAIL without any interference from an oppressive OUT OF CONTROL, consitutionally bankrupt federal government.

        Again, study your history, the “Progressives” have in fact BANKRUPT this country with their unconstitutional “Social Programs”. That fact is very evident and cannot be disputed.

      • JRC

        What are you smoking? You are saying Obama himself owns GM and all the other Corporations? Man the crap you are smoking must be strong ….care to let everyone know where you get it? Or do you just repeat like a parrot what Rush the drug addict Limburger tells you during his brain wash sessions?

      • Lubo

        JRC……LOL!!!!!!!!!! You dumb progressives never cease to amaze me! I have a VERY sober thought process my man….I will leave the THC to you dumb lazy socialists/marxist. Obama may as well own them because he controls them dummy…Oh, that probably makes sense to you. A progressive doesn’t own anything and has never produced anything but seems to think they know best about how to CONTROL everything!!!!

        Sounds like a 2 year old mentality to me or some self-appointed dictator!!!!! Fact is, your KING and all his Czars counld’nt manage a two-kid kindergarten…. They would all be fighting in less than a 1/2 hour. Sounds familiar to our current state of our Nation…doesn’t it! LOL ):>

        PS> I’m still waiting on you to answer my question? What system is it that you think is SUPERIOR to a FREE MARKET SYSTEM where you have unlimited freedoms to do whatever it is you want? Name one for me?

        Pick one of the following:
        1.) Socialism
        2.) Marxism
        3.) Communism

        Or maybe the “EVO” system where we worship your EVO god? Who are these people who are going to set up and manage this wordly eutopia?
        It has never worked in the past, so what is different with YOUR system? Since ofcourse you are so much smarter that we “Commoners”.

      • Lubo

        JRC….Still awaiting your answer?

        Is your eutopia:

        1.) Socialism
        2.) Marxism
        3.) Communism

        Which is it and who are the all-omnipotent ones that will set this wordly utopia up for us underlings? You know, the DUMB Conservatives or Christians, as you might put it.

      • eddie47d

        Lubo; I’m not in favor of big government and China has numerous problems. More than the USA,yet they have more than 4 times our population. Their economy is doing fairly well under Socialism.Even Socialist Europe has an overall better healthcare system than we do. Most of our system works great and in unique ways but we aren’t the only game in town.

      • Lubo

        eddie47d…..You actually think that Europe has a better healthcare system that we do in America? Have you been there? Have you been a “Subject” of their socialism? Or are you just restating the progressive cheap talk? I guess if you repeat it enough, then I guess it is a fact? Kinda the way you people have revised our history. What is it that you perople don’t understand about the word NO. We don’t want this marxist crap in our great country!!!!!!!! WE KNOW BETTER!!!! WE ARE A SMART FREE POEPLES not dumb socialists.

        I personally know MANY people who have been a “Subject” of their system and all have stated that it stinks to HIGH HEAVEN. You get care based upon your “Status” my friend. In other words, you want to give some sexual favors to some DUMB dope smoking politician so your wife can get that lump in her breast checked out? It takes about EIGHT months to get any attention in their GREAT healthcare system! LOL!!! By this time, your WIFE is DEAD!!!

        China is what? Are you kidding me? Do you have any concept of just how many millions upon millions of people have been murdered by their own government? People who have actually been assigned a number for their name? Communism???? China is what?????

        Lastly, I don’t mean to be rude but where do you people get your fiction about China and Europe’s socialized medicine?

        Again, name me a system that has provided more opportunity to the masses that this GREAT nation has under FREE MARKET concepts? Name me one?

        Do you actually have a name for this wordly eutopia??? Who are these GREAT people that are going to manage all us “Commoners”??? Let’s get their names so we can research theitr GREAT accomplishments in life? Maybe a community organizer or something like King Obama? LOL!!!

      • JeffH

        Lubo, don’t expect any response from fast eddie. He might actually have to provide some facts, something he has never done in the past.

      • Lubo

        JeffH…..Yep, I agree, that appears to be the case with both eddie and JRC. All talk, no subtance. They state things from their “progressive” talking points master sheet and then run off to the next conversation, if they get any opposition to their marxist ideas or if you ask them for any type specificity of facts. They fail to understand that WE THE PEOPLE aren’t listening to this CRAP any longer.

        I simply want one or both to NAME this new form of “Utopian Government” and the elites that will run it and how it may work within our constitution. They fail to understand, Like King Obama, that our founders put checks and balances in the constitution to protect us from THEM. You know, the smart elite educated type or better put, educated idiots.

      • Granny Mae

        Edie,
        Beyond the wait for health care in other countries, you may want to check further before you speak. Not only is there long waits for treatment if they get any in time but there are also modern countries that have you bring your own linens for your hospital bed ! I know of these things personally. I know of a young man that died from pneumonia because there was no medicine to treat him. I have sent many boxes or care packages to other countries,(modern industrialized countries) where they have begged me for simple aspirin for pain ! Socialized medicine stinks to high heaven! If you don’t believe me move there for about 5 years and try it out for yourself ! At our worse we have it the best !

      • eddie47d

        JRC; Jeff the puppet master has the Nuke disease and has always supported American Greed and Corporate Cons. He must have made a handsome profit off of those slime buckets. Yes,Lubo I did say we are a unique country but we didn’t invent everything and aren’t the best at everything.It’s nice to think that we are the greatest and we probably still are;but as I said we aren’t the only game in town. History is amazing but it’s too bad that Mr. Livingston is trying to rewrite it and trying to make America a vengence seeker.

      • JeffH

        As I’ve said SOOO many time before, don’t expect any facts in a response from fast eddie. Damn, I’m right again.

      • Lubo

        eddie……still waiting on your definition of this utopian society and the names of those elites that would set up and manage it for us?

        Is it a system like communist China who assigns their citizens a number for their name and then murders them at will?

        How about Russia? Maybe a wonderful system like theirs that caused the country to go bankrupt or the countless number of people killed by those ruthless dictators in charge?

        Or maybe Ole Hugo, I bet he could manage this new utopian system? He would just know so much better than us good ole FREE hard working folks here in America!

        Again, name me a system that has provided more opportunity than our system here in the good ole US of A.

        Bottom line, it is people like you who sit around and trash our country while you enjoy the FREEDOMS provided by those who are brave enought to protect and defend our constitution….disgusting is an understatement.

        You should have the pleasure of living under one of the aforestated “Rulers” as a “Subject” while waiting in line for your socialized “healthcare”. LOL!!!

      • eddie47d

        Lubo,Were only here to challenge your crap and to try and find some intelligent life. It’s still sadly missing so we put out a police alert. They said it’s still early but they can’t find any intelligence either. It’s now in the cold case files!

      • JeffH

        Lubo, fast eddie stiil hasn’t anything of substance to say…excuses are for losers!

      • eddie47d

        Good Bye looser Jeff. Hey Jerry Springer is looking for acouple of them on his show . Why don’t you and Lubo give it a shot!

  • wasadoc

    Or, we could just let the “prez” blame it all on Bush. He blames everything else on Bush.

    • Harry J.

      Everyone seems to think they are smarter than Obama. How about that? Have to wonder what they would do in similar circumstances! Nuking Afghanistan would invite retaliation from their friends. Our country if flat broke and though I believe both wars were politically motivated for the Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld/Rice crowd, thinking of using nukes is to commit suicide! Why don’t we just give up trying to rule the world?

      • William

        harry you sound just like a DUMBASSED democrat,

      • eddie47d

        You are an even dummer Libertarian or Republican

      • tg7357

        And who do you think are ‘friends’ of Afganistan? Outside of the US, most of the rest of the world has learned to avoid it!! Afganistan is a quagmire: so far its defeated every effort of every civilization from Alexander the Great to the United States to bring it into the modern world. Theer are some problems in the world that just can’t be fixed, no matter how much effort you put into them. I’d rank Afganistan at the top of that list!!!

      • JRC

        Nuking Afghanistan (or any Muslim country for that mater) would result in an unity of Muslim countries like you have never seen before. Forget all help we get from any of them, forget oil from the mid east and look forward to nukes from the Pakistanis and attacks from everywhere on the globe…not just a small amount of cavemen…nope armies with the full military might of the Asian and middle east Muslims countries behind them,(remember the world is selling our “”allies”" the most advanced weapons and systems right now…to be used against us…there will be millions upon millions of them….100% united in they’re hate and will to destroy us. China and Russia will support them through the back door and we will end up being destroyed..is that what you right wing pea brains want? ….if so, go ahead and drop that nuke but don’t whine afterward.

      • Granny Mae

        JRC.

        Sounds just like the end times to me !

      • Lubo

        Once again JRC, let’s see your facts to support your statements. You obviously have no concept of the term “Super Power”. You aren’t even smart enough to understand the current yield of our Nukes. You seem to think that our Nukes are not devastating weapons capable of leveling a city the size of NYC 10 times over. Do some research on a 50 Megaton blast and then get back to me. Also, do some research on our current capabilities in knocking down a nuke launched from Russia….you will be VERY surprised at our technological advancements over the past two decades. Third world countries like Iran are somewhere along the lines of 1944-45 capabilities. Israel can defeat Iran in a matter of weeks and they know it and that is the reason that their current president is nothing but a raving lunatic spouting a bunch of hot air.

        The fact is, we use our superior technology to listen to their conversations everyday, 365 days a year. Bush proved that and Powell confirmed that at the address to the UN.

        You speak of our GREAT nation as if we are some type of socialized pathetic third world country that should be FEARFUL of IRAN? Are you kidding me. We can destroy them at the blink of an eye and Russia can’t do a darn thing about it and they know it. At best they will stike one or two cities in America resulting a total and complete destruction of their country….complete 100% destruction.

      • JRC

        People on the right always want to nuke, kill, invade…like violence has ever made a wrong right. There was a reason Bush did not nuked Afghanistan or invaded Iran…there is a reason Israel has not attacked Iran….and it is NOT because Obama wants it so but because they have information all the right wing arm chair generals and strategists are missing. It is always easy to sit in a trailer somewhere or in mommas basement calling for war and nukes….never having to face the consequences of they’re actions. It is easy for the writer to sit on his computer and write an article that is full of his own opinion and emotions but has no actual factual backing…such as real intelligence on ground and in the area. How much would one nuke in Afghanistan do? Hardly anything, Nukes are NOT very efficient in mountainous areas and areas where the enemy is hiding deep in caves. All the writer is doing, he is pandering to the uninformed hateful on the right side that would nuke the whole world over a penny if they could. The war does not go well in Afghanistan, and there are several reasons for in, one the incompetence of the people on the ground, the incompetence of the leaders and an enemy that is cunning enough to win a war with stone age tactics against the so called most modern and best army in the world….What will this country ever do if they have to fight a real army with modern weapons. An army that has the will, equipment and manpower to win…and there are many of them out there these days. Nukes are not the answer to everything, although they are devastating and powerful, they are also very limited in scope and usage…one of the reasons the countries have thousands of them…The US whines because N-Korea may have 8 nuclear bombs…pitiful, besides the psychological impact, 8 nuclear bombs of the size that N-Korea could produce with the nuclear material they have is not even enough to cause a total destruction of a city such as LA or NYC. Same is true for Iran… It is time that the right starts to THINK instead acting emotional and irrational…this planet would be a far better place.

      • 45caliber

        JRC: You wrote: “It is easy for the writer to sit on his computer and write an article that is full of his own opinion and emotions but has no actual factual backing”

        You are correct. And your comments here are a perfect example of it!

      • JRC

        From your comments you appear to be a very narrow minded brainwashed person that has not enough braincells left to do any critical thinking and just repeats what he is spoon feed on right wing hate forums and blogs..I feed pity for you.

      • JeffH

        45caliber, I fully agree with you.
        As for JRC, Polly want a cracker? bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

      • 45caliber

        JRC:
        No need to feel pity for me. Like many people, I can see where we are heading and I can use my brain cells instead of repeating what the liberals are saying over and over as if it will then come true.

      • eddie47d

        So why are you pandering to the right especially over nukes and saying the same thing over and over again?

      • Granny Mae

        JRC
        Now why do you say all those on the right think in such a way? I do not believe in using nukes for war or domestic use. They are dangerous to the victim and the user in any field. To add to your statement of why everyone looses in their fight in Afghanistan there is one more reason, maybe two ! First it is their country and no-one knows it like they do. Second because it is their country they will do what ever they need to do to defend and protect it even if we don’t agree with them. We would do the same right here ! Nukes are never the answer, however we do have weapons that would work very well over there, if only we would let our generals do the job they were trained to do instead of trying to let some idiot comander in chief call the shots from here ! That goes for all the idiot comander in chiefs past and present !

      • s c

        HJ, like most progressives, simple concepts have to be explained to you time after time – and you still don’t get it. It’s NOT that “everyone” thinks they’re smarter than Herr Obummer. His main problem is that he thinks he KNOWS he’s ‘smarter’ than everyone else in the world. That ego/arrogance will be his downfall.
        For those who know the difference between raw sewage and prime rib, that day can’t come soon enough. Then, you’ll have to start searching for another Incompetent One, but that’s your problem.
        People who doggedly chase the wrong things at the wrong time for the wrong reasons (progressives) easily qualify as insane – or members of Congress. So when will you launch your election campaign?

      • Norm

        s c
        I wouldn’t count Obama out just yet. As I have stated before, the Dems will make it through 2010 with majorities, albeit smaller, in the Senate and House. By 2012, when the economy shows signs of life, people see the good of healthcare, and the war(s) begin winding down, Obama will look more attractive.
        No sane person wants a repeat of the G.W. Bush years, where lies and abuse of the constitution prevailed, and the economy tanked.

      • tg7357

        What are you doing? Quoting from the socalist/ marxist/ ” Dreams of My Father’s ” playbook? What part of ‘we don’t want 4 years of Barack Obama’ isn’t getting past your rose-colored glasses and the ‘Kumbya’ playing in your background? Americans don’t WANT to be socialist, or like Europeans!!! Barack Obama and his regime are a financial, political and social disaster for America!! In less than 18 months he has manipulated the deficit into the TRILLIONS of dollars and we have NOTHING to show for all that wasted tax money except fat cat Wall Street executives with more money, and thousands of extra hours and miles on Air Force One so the Obamas can jet around the world on taxpayer financed vacations!!! If that is progress, you can keep it!!!

      • Norm

        tg7357
        It’s you that are confused.
        You confuse right wing-nut extremists with the “American people”. You blame Obama for the Bush depression. It is taking time and money to recover, but we are back from the brink. No thanks to the foot dragging neocons who are hell bent on derailing American success.
        If it weren’t for the current administration this country would be in a deep depression, and many more people would be on the government take.
        Extremists will not win because they are dead wrong. I hope Mammy Yokum Palin is nominated for president in 2012. She sank McCain and she’ll surely sink her silly ass self.

      • LocalYokel

        Norm, compound interest is just as constant as the acceleration of gravity and will be just as deadly to some, albeit pleasant to all bankers that can provide for their own protection.
        If you can’t count out the whole regime then you must be prepared to explain just how the elections will be compromised to promote your agenda. Your tainted media has already noticed their failing bias. How will you defend the philosophy to the surviving generations after the greatest economic catastrophe in our history has ebbed provided that you’ve survived your doubtful future? The problem started long before Bush and will continue even when your chosen one is gone.
        If you are really worried about history being repeated then study enough of it to to become aware of repeat patterns that are always devised by the same puny ideologues that supply you with revived ideas, all guaranteed to fail again and again.
        No business can prosper with monopolized operating expenses over which it has no control against foreign companies that are not burdened the same. Health care provided by employers has been and continues to be the prime risk factor in business growth simply because big pharmaceutical companies hire brigades of lobbyists and boards of barristers from the ranks of retirees from government positions. They perpetuate legislated monopolies and protect their masters from lonely individual victims of their products. All of these are paid by the sweat of captive consumers already conditioned for treatment of maladies directly caused genetically altered food seed, pesticides, and other poisons in their water also manufactured by pharmaceutical companies.. You got the picture yet Normie? If not you would really enjoy losing your shirt in a poker game employing a “house cut” of the pot.
        Why should anyone wish accept a mandated enrollment in such a corrupt scheme based solely on your chosen one’s appearance?

      • tg7357

        talk about being out of touch with reality! Anyone who thinks that both democrats, republicans AND independents didn’t have a hand on the ‘Bush Depression’if naieve beyond words. There are no clean hands in Washington. And if I recall, the democrats were running the House for the last 2 years of the Bush administration. You know, the timeframe where the house of cards all collapsed at once? Or did you conveinently forget that, too?

      • Norm

        tg7357
        Bush was driving the train when it jumped the tracks.
        As Harry Truman put it – “the buck stops here”.

      • JRC

        And on the other side of the coin, people that are afraid of they’re own shadow, the future, progress and change (conservatives) are known to be phobic and that is definitely a mental illness, whereas the nonsense you have written has no scientific backing

      • tg7357

        If thats the case, then we conservatives are in good company because liberalism is a mental defect, too. You don’t give away what isn’t yours, and anyone who thinks that becoming one with the world in the shape its in right now has definately lost touch with reality.

      • JeffH

        JRC, is it that way because you said so?
        Polly want a cracker? bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

      • Granny Mae

        JRC
        You sure fall back on the mental illness thing a lot in your writings. Sounds like you may have a phobia yourself !

      • eddie47d

        SC Your sewage Mumbo Jumbo won’t work this time. Bob L. is becoming more loony than you.

      • JeffH

        you obviously never look in the mirror…speaking of looney.

      • eddie47d

        Jeff: You obviously want to Nuke some country I can feel your sickness in my bones. You and Lucifer must be bunk mates. Please stay away from me you demonized creep for you are getting stranger by the day!

      • JeffH

        fast eddie, again I’ll say provide the fact that I support or want to “nuke” any country? Again, you can’t, but you can sure make things up and call people names, can’t you.

      • eddie47d

        Your always defending those who do – birds of a feather. Choose your bed mate carefully and stop sleeping around, your nuke friends will get jealous.

      • JeffH

        fast eddie, once again I’ll say provide the fact that I support or want to “nuke” any country? Again, you can’t, but you can sure make things up and call people names, can’t you?

        By the way, you’re really developing a relationship with Alinsky’s favorite radical.

      • eddie47d

        I was speaking of SC bumble butt and you always have to chime in.She supports the use of Nukes and you came to her defense again so that kind of ties you in on This subject.

      • Vippy

        have to agree. Americans are not only dumb and explains why they also bullies. Only 49% agree that the Afghan War is a mistake yet they complain that our government spends so much, enough proof!

      • Lubo

        We aren’t trying to rule the world…Islam is!!!! and if it were not for the good ole US of A…they would be ruling the world…right now!!!!!!

      • Mark Are

        Everybody IS smarter than Obama. He has an IQ of 85, a real genius.

    • Granny Mae

      wasadoc,

      I’m thinking maybe we should get all the political leaders together and put them out in the desert some place and tell them “OK ” you want war just have at it and don’t come back until the last dog is hung !

      • Mark Are

        I’d go for this as long as you are talking about ALL of the political leaders of the WORLD. And let “ours” start.

  • annajoe

    Obama is using this war as a deversion as well.

  • annajoe

    This would have saved so many of our troops from the devastation that has been thousands of loses to many American families. Nothing is being accomplished and it has cost so much tax dollars for not.

    Drop the bomb.

    • Eric Bischoff

      To all of you who would casually drop the bomb, you DISGUST me. There isn’t one christian bone in your body. There certainly isn’t any intelligence or compassion. You are what makes democracy and mob rule so dangerous.

      • D J Lynch (KWVA) member

        The last time I looked, God told David to persue and slay and don’t take anything from the land and kill them to the seed and then kill the seed!

      • BigBadJohn

        The definition of a CHRISTIAN is they believe in the word of Christ!
        Please give a quote where CHRIST said to slay them all!
        Or are you Jewish?

      • DJ Lynch

        Read Revelations! That’s the last book in the bible at it will tellall about when Jesus makes war.

        P.S. He wins

      • Granny Mae

        Lynch,

        The difference is “when Jesus makes war” not that he ever told us to make war !

      • Lubo

        A man who would stand by and allow innocent life to be taken at the hands of evil doers is worse than the person comitting the crime. That is something that I would not want to explain to Jesus.

      • Mark Are

        So that was GOD that told David that? Sure and I believe in the tooth fairy too.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The tooth fair is fake. Jesus is real. I know, He lives inside me. And he would rather I kill someone that let them kill me. Being a Christian does not mean be a doormat and be walked on. It is a sign of strength, but jerks like you take it as a sign of weakness. I dream of the day a guy like you strikes me, then tries to prostitute the scriptures and tell me to turn the other cheek. Which I will gladly do, after I deck you and pummel you unconscience and bloody. Then I will turn the other cheek, and ask my Father in Heaven to forgive you. Then, you might understand the truth.

      • Granny Mae

        Yes in the book of Revelations Jesus comes back and makes war on evil and yes he wins.

      • 45caliber

        Are you saying that we should never ever kill any enemy who is attacking us?

      • Mark Are

        Killing an enemy that is attacking you in self defense is an unalienable right. Blowing up the town the enemy lives in killing a hundred thousand other people is total PSYCHOTIC insanity which seems to be prevalent among a lot of the IDIOTS on this board.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        So you think it was stupid to save thousands of lives by nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki? You dont think we should do things to save our own lives? You make no sense. You can go around and kiss the enemies butt, and have a glass of wine with them sitting around the campfire singing kumbaya, but your not going to change their minds pal. They want you dead, and they will kill themselves to make you dead. All of us. Until they are all exterminated, or shown that they can be, it will always be that way. You sit and talk with them, me, Ill strike them down to save myself. Im sure the Lord would agree with me. I have no doubt in my mind.

      • Marc

        good point…. for some people, violence solves everything. Seems like the same view those in al Qaida might have….

      • William Barry

        So what’s wrong about it? They believe violence solves everything? Fine! I say we force-feed them their own belief until they GAG on it! They may be crazy, suicidal and ruthless, but they’re not superhuman and they’re not invincible!

        As my old karate sensei used to say: “The path to victory is twofold; first find your enemy’s weakness and make him suffer for having it, then take what he considers his greatest strength and use it against him again and again until he finally falls or quits!”

      • Lubo

        That only works if your skills and IQ are greater than your opponents.

      • Granny Mae

        Eric,
        People talk about droping the bomb because they too are disgusted and angry and the bomb is about the worse thing they can think of to do to people they feel threatened by, the problem is the bomb may not be the worst thing there is in our arsenal and it may not be the worst thing we could do to others. It is sad to think that we have come so far and yet not come far enough !

    • Mark Are

      Maybe they can come up (offensive words removed) ..fill in the blank you nut job.

  • John Hasse

    and if a terrorist group from out west, say Wyoming would do something bad you would nuke Wyoming? the level of stupidity here is mind boggling. Better we should not start a war in the first place, and maybe even decrease our ‘covert operations’ that mess things up so much. There are still too many un-answered questions about 9-11 to totally pin the blame on ANYONE!

    • Bob Lusby

      No, most certainly not, the nuke would be addressed to JH ,handle with all due care.Wyoming? With a terrorist group? An old fashion roundup and hanging and the CIC would never even know they were lynched. As any 5 year old knows, the trade towers succumbed to dry rot. Any more insipid obsevations Hasselcastle?

    • Marc

      If our ‘intelligence community’(possibly not working too much better than in the previous administrations years) heard that Osama bin Laden was hiding in a small midwestern U.S. town, should we ‘nuke’ it ? Wait ! That’s where I live ! You still have to know where he is before you ‘drop the bomb’.
      There are some rather ‘simplistic’ views on here…….

  • http://www.gods-messenger.webs.com coolcat7

    I wonder what keeps the Federal government from using nukes to finish off the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda in Pakistan, so the U.S. government can save all the money being spent for an unwinnable war. It might soon happen, God forbid, that the draft would be reactivated and made mandatory for every able-bodied American men and women age 18 and above to join the military in fighting the war against terrorism. Such a very delicate situation, once nukes are used to end this war, then that will surely hasten the return of our Lord Jesus Christ. Have you heard about the “3 Days of Darkness” that will come upon us during WW3. I strongly urge everyone to prepare for this, its going to be frightening and horrible to witness.

    • wayne

      If we ended the Afghan War and pulled everyone out of Iraq plus all the support units around the area that are backing them up, we would have about 1 million more suddenly completely informed, highly trained, combat hardened, veterans back here in the United States – armed to the teeth and not even slightly afraid of what Barack Hussein Obama could do to them if they decided to forcibly object to the BS he is inflicting on the rest of us.

      • tg7357

        And that is why Barky will never let the war in Afganistan end. As long as most of the state national guard units are deployed overseas, he has just that many less trained troops for his own private army to have to deal with when the time comes.

      • Mike Austin,TX

        That is also why he wants his “Civilian Corps” of brown shirts to be just and big and powerful as the Military. That is ok with me. It makes easy targets and we know our Military will not be among them.

      • Denniso

        You people are looney! And, John Meyers is sounding like Goldwater 50 yrs ago wanting to nuke Vietnam…idiocy! What the use of nukes would do is open up warfare to the most horrible weapon ever invented by man. The ‘civilized’ countries of the world have all agreed not to use them and it would ratchet up the death and destruction in war to an unimaginable level,not to mention spreading radioactivity around the world. If Meyers thinks nukes are advisable then maybe we should revert to using poison gas,which would be even more effective.

        Obama inherited this war from the incompetent Bush/Cheny who didn’t use enough force and let the war drag on while allowing the beaten Taliban to regroup and become a real enemy,not to mention letting Bin Ladden escape. We could have been in and out of Afghanistan in a few yrs,but no, Cheny wanted to topple Saddam so they didn’t focus and instead opened up another mess of a war in another Muslim country that allowed religious hatred to complicate the action. Obama is trying to do the responsible thing for the country and finish the war.
        You and Meyers know,if you have any honesty at all,that if Obama had pulled out of Afghanistan after his election and left a terrible disaster behind, you all would be calling him a traitor for ‘losing the war’ and so devaluing the dead American soldiers sacrifice.

        If Meyers and you buffoons want to blame someone, ALL the blame and incompetence lays on the necks of Cheny/Bush and all of their supporters…like you people.

      • JeffH

        Duh!nisso says: “If Meyers and you buffoons want to blame someone, ALL the blame and incompetence lays on the necks of Cheny/Bush and all of their supporters…like you people.”

        Just wouldn’t be duh!nisso without a Bush/Cheney reference and some ripe name calling!

        Polly want a cracker? bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

      • HHH

        Denniso, your are using intellectual reasoning with folks who can’t think or post in a rational capacity… one has to wonder, why bother”?? Chip and Bob love this “incitement” of the extremists!!

      • eddie47d

        Jeff H.:Who else!!Go back to your propaganda ministry and play with Bob, John and Ben. You’ve got your own name calling dictionary,so make it good!

      • Denniso

        Lee…you really don’t belong in an adult, rational discussion of anything…

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Duh!nesso,
        how conveniently you forget Klintoon was handed Osama on a silver platter and turned the offer down!!! More than likely 9/11 wouldn’t have happened if he had taken him out!!!

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Been saying that for years, but no one wants to believe the truth. I sincerely hope we can turn things around in the next two national elections. But, I have my doubts.

      • Granny Mae

        tg7357

        Have you forgotten that Obama is training his own citizen army? They will be used for his purposes here while our regular troups are kept busy in Afghanistan and else where ! Lots of hands to watch all at the same time I’m afraid !

      • Lee

        That’s right! He WANTS all our kids over there killed, then he can do away with the military, and allow his muslim pals to come in and do what they want! His “Brown Shirts” also have to be eliminated! We have an honest-to-goodness DICTATOR “leading” us, folks! Now, what are we going to do about it?

      • eddie47d

        Your screwy; Then Bush/Cheney wanted our boys killed (probably much more truth to that). Johnson wanted our boys killed,Nixon wanted our boys killed,Roosevelt wanted our boys killed. Yes you get the drift.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yes denniso, we should have nuked Vietnam, then asked them if they had any more questions. Absolutely. Why bother spraying Agent Orange and carpet bombing raids over and over. Why bother. Cut to the chase, drop a big banger, and call it a day. Just think of how many thousand of American lives would have been saved. Thousands. Just like when we nuked Japan. The truth is the truth is the truth, and you cannot change the facts of history. It saves lives.

      • Denniso

        Beberoni…if memory serves me,you claim to be a Christian. Your comment is certainly not what your Jesus would do,is it? You propose obliterating and maiming millions of babies and women and other innocents in Vietnam, where we shouldn’t have been anyway? You sound sicker than I might have thought previously. You ought to think a bit about that disgusting comment.

        I guess you and others here would advocate nuclear weapons be used on any country that we disagree with in order to save American soldiers lives? No innocents from any other country need be worried about? Your God doesn’t care about them or count them in his creation?

      • eddie47d

        Berberoni, We never should have sprayed agent orange anywhere or even dreamed of using nukes in Vietnam.Your a dangerous man Berb.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are so wrong. When God sent Gideon, Solomon and David and other’s to war, he instructed them to kill every man, woman and child. So yes, I dont think He would have a problem with us killing those who not only oppose him, but seek to silence His name. If we went to war in the name of Jesus Christ as our battle cry, our enemies would crumble before us like you wouldnt believe. Of course, since you dont know who Jesus is, you cannot possible understand this.

      • Pathfinder

        A plesant thought. However, not all soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines would be willing to rebel. We are all trained to OBEY ORDERS. The military would, itself, divide into two camps; one pro-Obama and one anti-Obama. I admit that the anti-Obama group would be the larger; but please remember that our military is NOT one solid mass and is made up of individuals.

      • American Citizen

        It’s my understanding that soldiers are asked to defend the Constitution, not the President. And they do not have to obey unlawful orders.

      • http://goggle jimradford

        its about time that some one stated the true fact about all of the vets, and the rest of the people upone ariveing back in the united states might say to the diaper wearing prez hell no we will not do what you say,and go find your comrads and brothers and sisters and uncles and ants and so on and live with them because you are dam shure not wanted here you lier, and tell your lady to start paying for her own trips with her own money, you need to be inpeached not, and then let the next person bring back our people because you wont do it,you like the thought of all your realitives being safe over in your country.

    • Vippy

      We can’t use nukes it would destroy our precious and ever getting smaller earth. How can we promote Cap & Tax, carbon trading when we use nukes? Too many people, we need population control and we should have went into the last few wars which were based on lies and totally unnecessary other than keeping the unemployment figure lower. LBJ said in so many words “don’t let the boys come home for we have no jobs.” Same situation now. America can’t be innovative enough to create a good economy and needs a war every so often.

      • jbird

        Vippy,
        You wrote: “Too many people, we need population control…”

        So who decides who stays and who, er, disappears? You? Yeah, right!

      • Lubo

        Jbird, I agree with your comments on population control. The last person who said to me “The problem is simple! Just to many people in this world”….. My response, “I agree with you, so why don’t you go home and kill your “Progressive” wife and three kids and then commit suicide!!” LOL ):>

      • michelleo

        YES YES YES, Population control, kill ALL of the commie progressives

      • WarriorH

        OTFL!!!!!!

      • eddie47d

        Another Conservative Love fest,typical killing comments. Population control can be nothing more or nothing less that normal birth control devices. Not your extremisms.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        If we just got rid of the liberals, just think of what a wonderful country this would be again. That is the most logical place to start if we are going to “think the herd”. Get rid of the anti-Americans first, and that would be the liberals.

      • eddie47d

        Then leave Berberoni we don’t need any more murdering fascists.

      • Dallas E

        We Won’t Use Nukes Because– Big Oil Still Wants The Oil In Iraq & Afganistan , Kind Hard To Keep Drilling When Everything Is Radio Active !

      • TIME

        Dallas,

        Valid point on the oil issue, but as we do know from WWII and our special gifts to the Japanese two citys.
        Both of these citys are now just beautiful and oddly there is no radiation, nor was there ever, it was gone within a few months.

        So the base facts are these tools are not quite as bad as we are told they are. let alone when a Volcano pop’s its lid please note that they emit ten times what a Nuke would and yet we have “Scientist” walking around in them just weeks after they pop.

        I also must say that we as Americans don’t need to be in either place, nor do we need to have these wars that seem to just go on and on forever, such as Korea, Nam, Irock, and AfganOstan etc, so when our “SELF SERVING POLITICIANS” start in with we need to invade North Korea and Iran very fast.
        Please send thousands of FAX’s, Letters, Calls, Emails etc. to your Congress and Senate persons and tell them to just say; NO!

        These wars are doing nothing but killing off our Youth, its a method of population control, as well wasting or natural resorces, as well wasting our ears having to listen to the news with the “POLITICAL SELF SERVING” rhetoric daily.

      • Lee

        There’s a big patch of land in India that is radioactive, and has been for thousands of years! Frankly, I see NO problem with dropping the bomb, and it would get rid of thousands of drugged up, illiterate, worthless “humans,” and would make our earth a bit cleaner! Whatever oil or other resources are in Afganistan are worthless to the world anyway, so why worry about it.

      • Corinne

        Gee, if fallout and radioactivity are the problem, use an alternative – poisonous gas, viruses, Klingons…

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Blame that on Obama!!!

      • Granny Mae

        Vippy,
        It’s not that Americans aren’t inovative enough to creat jobs, it’s that Job creators can’t afford to stay here with the jobs ! Where do you shop? Where you can get the best deal, right? Well in order to get that kind of deal manufacturers have had to go where the labor is cheap and the taxes aren’t killing them ! Things that are made here you can’t afford to buy. Look at the Auto industry. American cars are so expensive no-one can afford them so most people have gone to the foreign car makers ! Clothing and shoes are the same way. Our unions here have forced us out of business. They demand higher and higher wages and don’t kid yourself into thinking that it is for the lowly worker ! Ha! It is because the more they get for the worker the more they can charge him union dues. Do you see any big union crooks making the money that the hourly worker does? Heck no ! He is living way above you and me and he doesn’t do a day’s work to get it either. It is graft made legal and kept that way by buying politicians ! So don’t say Americans aren’t inovative ! I bet you haven’t been so inovative yourself ! What kind of inovative jobs have you brought to the work place ?

      • dan of arizona

        hey granny
        I agree with you except that there are no american cars built here since nafta which was to make them compatible with foreign car makers which by the way are here making there cars which are cheaper than american cars. When GM went across the border to use cheaper employees and rid them of unions the cost of a truck went from about 7500 to now 53000 with little tax to them we have been had.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thats wierd. Because we have a GM plant right here in town, and last I looked, Indiana was in the United States, and they make vehicle after vehicle here everyday. So I find your information flawed. We also have a Honda plant, and I believe a Toyota plant. And the Honda’s are much better made vehicles, and frankly, its because the workers dont chant the mantra, “its not my job” like the union shits do. Thats why American cars lack the same quality, and it effects their sales tremendously.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Berberoni,
        The honda is the only “American” made car on the market.

      • Granny Mae

        dan of arizona

        If we look real close I don’t think there is any auto’s completely made in the US any more. Lots of parts from under the hood to inside the car to wire harnesses that are not made here anymore. I use to make the wire harnesses years ago but that went south. In fact I was under the thought that we didn’t even make any shoes here anymore but low and behold I heard yeaterday that NEW BALANCE is made here in New England some place. I will buy New Balance from now on ! It is a struggle today to try to support American made because it seems they don’t advertise Made in America. It’s just frustrating to see where we have been sold down the river and didn’t see it coming till it was too late. I think most of us are upset to think that we just went about our daily lives with our head in the sand and now I wonder if we will ever really be able to do anything about it? I went through life not ever thinking that there would be people in this world that could want to control everyone in a whole country or that there could be people that would want to kill us just because they didn’t like the way we conducted our lives in this country. In my pea brain I would just figure that if you didn’t like the people around you then you move somewhere else or go back to where you came from, but never would I think about killing someone or try to control an entire country so an elite few could develope a NWO . It is just more than I can wrap my mind around. However it is not so much that I won’t go down fighting for this country and all it stands for ! We still have the greatest country in the world and it is worth fighting for!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        To Joe H., in reference to your Honda remark. It is true, that there are more made in the USA parts on my Honda CRV, than there are on most of GM’s line of Chevy, Pontiac or Buick. Most of Ford and Chryslers clusters and dash parts, and many, many more are all foreign made. I know, a buddy of mine works at GM and showed a guy on a car they were working on, and the guy just couldnt believe it. So just because GM tells you they are American made, it isnt neccessarily so. They are just assembled here.

      • Pathfinder

        Vippy: Please remember that nukes have already been useed before. (I trust that you have heard of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and numerous tests like bikini atoll.) The earth is doing just fine. (I can not say the same for the former inhabitants of the two cities; but even there the cities have recovered nicely and are thriveing a mere 60 years later.) Thus I must contend that a few more nukes will NOT destroy the earth.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And they will spare quite a few lives in the long run, and save a whole lot of money.

    • D J Lynch (KWVA) member

      What eeps the US from dropping the A bomb in Afganistan is those Mamby Pamby sissified jerks in Dc. Id like to be there drill Sergent for 4 days.

      • eddie47d

        Okay Macho Man lynch What would you Nuke? A cave,A poppy field,A couple of mud huts,A mountain top? And your in our military.

      • Pathfinder

        Hey eddie: Have you ever actually been in battle ? I have. As to your question; I would nuke all of the above and then some. These arabs would glow so our troops could more easily shoot them in the dark.

      • eddie47d

        Yup,13 mo.’s in Vietnam west of Pleiku.Your still a sick mother!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree with pathfinder. We can either kill them, or sit back and let them blow us up 10 by 10, or 2 by 2 or whatever, but they will continue to kill, until we exterminate them all. Unfortunately, this is a true fact, and you can either confront the beast, or forever hide from it. And Ive never been one for hiding. So eddie, you can call us sick, and spend your life running and hiding, but me, I fear no evil.

      • Pathfinder

        D J: What if we made it a requirement that only veterans could be congressman and that all lawyers would be banned from holding office in either the house or the senate. Of course we would have to keep some lawyers for the attorney general’s department. But, otherwise, I think DC has way too many lawyers, especially in congress.

    • 45caliber

      But if the feds dropped nukes there they MIGHT kill some innocent person! (If such a thing exists there.) And that would be HORRIBLE! Just ask the MSM! Take a look at the Rules of Engagement there. Basically, our politicians are insisting that our men become targets who can’t shoot back.

      Of course, if they get killed there, then it would be less Bible toting gun lovers who vote conservative here in the US. So – to the Democrats – that is a win-win situation.

      • dan of arizona

        hey 45 cal
        did you here that there is a new medal being given out? dont no the name but its for controlling a cituation with out using deadly force.
        I’m not making this up really.

    • eddie47d

      There is nothing cool about you cat 7; Wishing for the return of Jesus Christ by hastening armageddon is worse than pathetic.

      • Pathfinder

        Eddie: Of course you object to those who actually WANT the return of the savior. For you, once christ returns, the jig is up.

      • eddie47d

        Pathfinder; Okay nuke boy you’re already dead in the eyes of the Lord

    • Mark Are

      NOTHING IS GOING TO HASTEN THE RETURN OF SOME GUY WHO WAS MURDERED 2,000 years ago. Keep dreaming.

  • s c

    If Afghanistan deserves to be nuked, let someone else do it. America has endured WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, Grenada and what amounts to Vietnam II. It is time to put an end to false, ‘democratic’ regimes that use and abuse our military because they’ve been told by shadowy puppet masters that America needs to sacrifice once again for “democracy.” Bravo Sierra, you treasonous slime!
    Our “prez,” if he had an ounce of integrity, if he could tear himself away from his teleprompter, if he had any idea as to what leadership is, he’d get our military personnel out of Iraq AND Afghanistan. SCREW promises. It’s results that matter! If we could ask MacArthur or Patton any military leaders of the past, I’ll wager that they’d doubt the sanity of the nation and in particular scumbag civilian leaders who have infested Washington from the 1880s until now.
    MacArthur got it. Only insane, non-leaders go to war without a plan to win. Patton would have looked at our current “prez” as someone who idolizes every enemy we’ve fought against in wars around the world.
    We have a “prez” who forgot that he hated GB for going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, it’ OK because we have a new ‘team’ in the Whore House. For whom does Mr. Obama work? He thinks wars around the world are peachy, but he sees no reason to protect out borders. Insanity rules the day, people. This what we get for allowing political incest to become a national sport in America.

    • D J Lynch (KWVA) member

      Right on Bro;

      Patton and MacArthur two of my favorites…if we had dropped the several “A” bombs accross the Yalu, to destroy the supplies the Chinese were trucking into South Korea, we wouldn’t have had the crap from China and N Korea today and the rest of the world, including Afganistan and those cowards in Packistan, who don’t co-operate with us unless we bribe them and then vey little,the rest of the world would say”don”t mess with the USA or they will kick your ass”!Franklin D Roosevelt won the big war, WWII, and Harry S Truman lost th peace by releaving MacArthur! God Bless the USA and all those Doughboys protecting our way of life!

      • John L

        I could not agree with you more!! At the time Truman relieved MacArthur, the USA was the only country with atomic weapons. When considering Truman, one must not forget that one can also track our involvement in Viet Nam to his folly for siding with the French! Review MacArthur’s farewell address to the joint session of congress….MacArthur then warned of things to come and they have been, and are, here! One may compare Truman and Obama as equally inept CICs using the words from MacArthur: “The very object of war is victory, NOT prolonged indecision!” “NEVER give an enemy in the field an advantage!” Think about it! Did Truman, and now Obama pass muster when considering each MacArthur quote? MacArthur gave Truman the map Truman failed to follow and Obama does not even know what a map is!! “In war, there is NO substitute for victory!” (MacArthur) You were in Korea and I in Nam…why are we 0 and 2?

      • Harold Olsen

        Vietnam never should have happened. Ho Chi Minh was a devout anti-communist. He asked Truman to help him get the French out of his country. Truman, basically, told him to go to hell. Ho had no choice but to seek help from the Chinese. I’m a Vietnam veteran and consider Truman to be one of our worst presidents. The ONLY thing he ever did right was Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The rest of his presidency was a total failure.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Harold:

        Ho Chi Minh was a Communist student in France before he returned to IndoChina to fight the Japs.

      • Trueman

        he sent out an order re-integrating the armed forces after they had been re-segregated by Wilson. everyone said black and white soldiers could never function as a team, but Truman did it anyway. So I think he deserves a little more credit

    • 45caliber

      s c:

      Have you considered that with the war still going on in the Mid-East, there is few military here in the US that could stand up to an armed attempt at take-over of the US? That might be one reason the troops are still there – and being built up there again. They certainly can’t rush home to stop any force that might try to take over. That makes it dependent upon us to have the guns and balls to defend our country ourselves.

      • JRC

        lmfao, what will your guns do if there will be a military take over…nothing, you watch too many Hollywood movies and junk like ‘red dawn’.Don’t you realize, movies aren’t real?

      • barbm

        movies aren’t real, but texans are. you can bet your boots that we will NEVER give up our firearms no matter whom obama puts on the supremem court, and you can be those same boots that every man, woman, and child will fight to the death to prevent america’s take-over. they could probably take california however.

      • Dogma-Free

        The Alamo redux, eh..?

      • 45caliber

        Dogma:

        Yes. Apparently you don’t know Texans. And I’d include most of the South and West in that (not California). While I doubt that we would actually try to organize a formal army to oppose any group trying to take over, I would bet that most of us will take at least one when we go down – and probably more. I don’t think any group trying to take over will be able to provide enough members to take over.

        It goes back to the terrorists. “Do as I say or I’ll murder your family!” Well, my wife has already told me that I’m to do what I can to stop it – and she will hand me more filled magazines when I empty one.

      • Harold Olsen

        You’re right. Texas could easily take California. But, why would you want it??

      • 45caliber

        JRC: Where did you get the idea that I expected a MILITARY takeover? I don’t. In fact, my comment was related to the fact that the military is deliberately being kept out of the US to prevent anything like that. Further, if there is a takeover, it won’t be by the military – I expect there will be an attempt to insure the military has no way back here.

        As far as the ones taking over the US – keep in mind that many of us are vets. One reason the government fears us. And most of us knows combat as well. The new boys trying to take over won’t know it. They believe they are invincible – just as you do – because they will have military weapons and someone high up is telling them what to do.

        Actually I feel a little sorry for them. And as a Texan, (did you know that one of eight soldiers are from Texas?) I’m certainly not worried about any group that tries to come here insisting they are now in charge. There is plenty of desert here we can use for their graves.

      • dan of arizona

        45
        it only takes one shot to add to your stash.I think that every one sees us as the old old guard which stood with an x on our chest not many no what jungle war fair is about. so to try to explain to this idiot that has no experiance is futal. but im there with ya and so are about 300 million others that arent afraid of dying for their country and freedoms that these low lifes have no clue how it came to them.

      • Cory

        With all of us that were trained by our Government, if the idiots were to launch an armed invasion, I will be on a hilltop just plinking away. Could we stop them? Probably overnight!

      • Lubo

        JRC….” Alias….The Progressive” is dumb enough to think that ALL MILITARY personel will be loyal to the regime and will attack and kill their familes and neighbors.

        If it comes to a RED Dawn situation, WE THE PEOPLE will have TANKS, helicopters, Grenades, Automatic weapons, Etc Etc Etc. Again, study world history!

        I have followed your comments throughout this blog and you have a very childish understanding of the world and how it works. You also assert yourself as some kind of expert but can never produce any real facts, other than your progressively marxist leaning opinions.

        You also underestimate the POWER of a FREE peoples. You also misunderstand that the vast majority of our Armed Forces are people who love this country and would consider you to be a yellow-bellied puke who does nothing but complain and attempt to bring harm to our GREAT nation through the destruction of our constitution.

        You, as most progressives, remind me of a “Poodle” who snaps at everybody’s feet but runs away at the stomp of a foot. Having said that, be careful playing around with a group of “Pit Bulls” who loves their country. Loud mouth Poodles tend to get eaten.

        Again, our founders gave us a constitution and within that is our 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms so as to protect us from self-appointed dictators like you and the King.

        You may want to consider laying off the THC bro!

      • lola

        Ok, all of you. There is not going to be a military takeover in our country. We have the perfect national defense against opposing armies because of our NATURAL defenses. We are protected by the largest ocean in the world (the Pacific) on the West coast and the Atlantic ocean in the East. The reason the British lost the revolutionary war was because even though they had the largest and most powerful army on the planet at the time, they were separated from the battleground by thousands of miles that took about a month or 2 to cross. And I doubt Mexico or Canada has the manpower to stage a legitimate attack, even if they wanted to. No one has the technology or means to be able to attack the “homeland” it would be strategically impossible to get enough soldiers into the USA at the same time.

      • dan of arizona

        jrc
        obviously you have never been in combat the army that your talking about layed down their arms to a bunch of children armed only with sticks and stones and eggs ooooooh just makes you shiver all over those crazy kids who do they think they are taking on the UN all by them selves.The problem that allahyomoma has is that he should have waited untill all of us vets died before he started this crap.About the only thing that i see your good at would be a bench rest.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Really. Well I see our tanks and missiles in Afhanistan, and these guys fighting us with their guns, so there is something you can do with your gun. You see, they come here, then we are the armed one’s hiding in every house, noon and cranny shooting at them. And there are millions of us. So yes, if you have a gun, you have something viable to bring to the table.

      • Average Joe Patriot

        And if you have three, so much the better.

        As for Afghanistan, as others point out, it teaches us again, as did Viet Nam and our own war for independence, what committed fighters can do on their own soil against much better equipped oppressors.

        The Afghanistan conflict started with failed negotiations over an oil pipeline to the Caspian, and a bunch of administration chickenhawks who’d never heard a shot fired in anger (and obviously didn’t pay attention to current events during the Soviets’ recent misadventure there, let alone read their history: Afghanistan has never been conquered and held by a foreign invader).

        Could nukes defeat them? Could you win a game of Whack ‘em All with a grenade? (Remember, these are guys who supposedly can take out a fifth of the Pentagon with a boxcutter-armed force you could count on one hand, a ridiculous notion on so many levels.) More realistically, could you herd cats with a baseball bat?

        Were I a higher-up among the NWO Powers-That-Be, I wouldn’t worry about organized resistance from the US populace, most of whom have been dumbed down to useless sheeple anyway. I’d worry about DIS-organized resistance, of the sort so many here have expressed a willingness to engage in. Let’s see how good They (the PTB) are at Whack ‘em All here on our turf.

        Keep your powder dry, and teach your children to do the same.

      • Jim Wright

        Maybe you are the one who should “get real”. I don’t know about you, but I know many real Americans who are veterans and know what to do with those weapons and that includes me. The biggest threat any aggressor faces in this country is the armed populace which does include veterans who know what to do with those arms.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Amen brother. No doubt about it. This vet stands with you, as do millions of us, and millions more that didnt serve. All us Americans that love America stand together on this. Only the liberals oppose us. And one day, they will be showed the door.

      • Mark Are

        You sound like someone who wears pink underwear.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Only after midnight.

      • Granny Mae

        Greetings 45caliber,

        Have no fear. This country is not going down without a fight ! I have 5 sons, multiple grandsons and daughters and sons-in-law and they are all ready. I do mean ready. If it should ever come to defending this country on our turf I pitty the fool anxious to try us. You will find people coming together that would never dream of togetherness other wise ! However it is foolish to ever go to war without a plan for winning and without the assurdness that it can be won. Get in get it done and get out and let the idiots worry about cleaning up there own countries afterward. It would keep them occupied for a long time and less of a worry to the rest of us ! War is hell but if it must be then fight it like you are the winner! To put our young men and women in harms way and then tie their hands is murder on our part ! We haven’t had a president will to win a war in years ! So why are we fighting? Obama is a yes man and someone else is running him. He couldn’t find his way out of a paper bag if there wasn’t a big sing up at the exit VACATION TIME ! LETS PARTY !

      • 45caliber

        I agree with you. I’m ready too, with a selection to choose from. There was a laugh about “Red Dawn” … but I expect to see just that if someone tries to take over. The ONLY way it can be stopped is if they bann all guns and actually collect them without someone objecting. And I expect a LOT of objection here in the South and particularly in Texas.

      • JeffH

        45, objection all around tha country…even California…who’s citizens are pretty well armed themselves.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        There will be a lot of forceful rejection here in Indiana also. They arent taking our guns away without them being fired.

      • Lubo

        Well said and I have about 150 family members that are willing to fight for our freedoms, at a drop of a hat. That includes BOTH foreign and domestic threats.

      • Mark Are

        We’ve already been taken over by the communists back in the early 30′s. They are just making it really obvious now. Haven’t you notices the COMMUNIST ILLEGAL ALIEN THAT IS OCCUPYING THE WHITE HOUSE?

        So what are the guns doing? Sitting around collecting dust and no body does anything because they are all waiting for the big invasion of row boat paddling Muslims.

      • Pathfinder

        Two seperate points here.
        1) I pity the fool who invades the USA while civilians still exercise the right to keep and carry arms. All enemy troops will be targets in our shooting gallery.

        2) There is a very good reason to pull our troops out of Afganistan. This way they will not be exposed to the blast and radiation when our nukes land. (Yes, I agree, we SHOULD nuke Al-Quida !!!)

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And I would tell Iran to dump Ahminajed now, or they would be getting one real soon also. If they continue to let him have power and do what they are doing, Id let them have one also, then ask the rest of them “any questions?”.

      • Mark Are

        If you want to nuke Al Ciada you would have to start with the CIA headquarters where it was created for the minds of simpletons. Got to have that boogey man out there that is going to GET YOU while you are sleeping! What a JOKE.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Check yourself into rehab.

      • http://goggle jimradford

        to mr,45 cal,i sir am quite agreement with you and all that you have said about us takeing up arms to defend our selfs, if at all possible look to your left and you might find me in my tank with some of my friends who all agree with u and i,besides i do belive all of the vetrans that are able to fight will make shure you and i are not alone defending our mother usa against diaper wereing fools, that dont understand the right of freedom and how it could help them.

      • http://goggle jimradford

        in reply to what wayne said about the soldiers not doing what he wants them to do or even to listing to him, all of the soliders men or women would not be alone i cant say about anyone eles but you would find me there in a second or even faster if possible and would be proud to show my country again that this person cares and allways will.

    • David

      To SC:
      There are dangerous criminals living in YOUR neighborhood. Let’s nuke your entire neighborhood. That will kill all the dangerous criminals. Do you see a problem, any problem at all, with that approach?

      Candidate Obama, and now President Obama, has been completely consistent. He opposed the war in Iraq and supported the war In Afghanistan. Read the record.

      • 6months

        Obama said he would bring the troops home from Iraq 6 months after he was sworn into office. You need to read the record.

      • Jana

        David,
        We have read his record. We know it by heart. We don’t like it or agree with it.

      • David

        Please be specific and tell me what you disagree with and what you, under the same circumstances, would do differently and get a better result.
        Is is okay for all of us to have our passion and opinions. I certainly respect that, you, and all that write here. But all of us, ALL OF US, have the luxury of not knowing what President Obama knows. The same thing applies to the critics of President Bush.

        We are all Americans who love this country and want it to be safe and to prosper. We only differ on how to do that. We should all tone down the extreme rhetoric and focus on how we work together. That, it seems to me, requires that we know the COMPLETE facts of a matter before we just jump to criticize because our personal candidate didn’t win the election.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        How can you say this president wants us to prosper? By shoving a health care plan that 65 percent didnt want? By making me pay higher premiums and higher taxes so that the worthless grifters in this country can keep living on the government dole? How does he want us to prosper, when he apologizes to countries that want us dead and are killing us every day. How does it prosper us when he gives lawyers to muslim terrorists caught on the battlefield killing us? How does it prosper us that he balooned welfare, food stamps and unemployment, so that we all can have a little more sucked out of us to give to the bums that wont work? How does it prosper us, when he interferes with Arizona trying to enforce FEDERAL LAW, that this Long Legged Mack Daddy wont enforce, because he wants the hispanic vote so bad. Your nuts. This poser and his democrats have no plans at all to prosper us. They seek to flush us down the toilet, and they are doing a great job of it.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Berberoni,
        Just a little back-up to your statement. If No bama had pushed for enforcement of the immigration laws, there would be one more Nun in the world. A mexican illegal who had been picked up and charged twice for DWI and should have been deported was driving drunk a third time when he sideswiped a van driven by a Catholic nun, killing her. Had he been deported either of the other times the lady would still be alive! Instead everytime he or his cabinet are called on to enforce the law he is more worried about his voting base! When a state tries to enforce the law themselves, he sues them! When a whole city Breaks the law and forms sanctuary cities he leaves them alone like he condones them! The family of this departed sister should be able to sue the U.S. government if for nothing more than dereliction of their sworn duty!!!

      • lola

        I like what you said, David.
        To the commenters, i understand what you are trying to say but you can’t say Obama doesn’t want us to prosper he just is doing what he thinks is right. And Arizona, don’t even get started on that. The Arizona immigration law is unconstitutional. It supports racial profiling and prejudice against people that aren’t white. I agree that we need to do something to monitor immigration but this is NOT the way to do it. The hispanics have lived here longer than any of us white people have. They were the ones who voted for California to even be a part of the USA in the first place. They have more right to be here and vote than many of us do. Some of them have been here for hundreds of years and some of them have just arrived, some illegally and some legally. But by racial profiling we are just persecuting the true americans that have dark skin.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Hey lola, let me ask you this. If a gray haired white guy commits a crime, who are they gonna look for? Do you honestly think they should waste their time pulling over black men or hispanics, when they know a gray haired white guy committed the crime? Give me a break. This cop out of “racial profiling” is a joke. A stinking joke. The hispanics are breaking the law there, so duh, wouldnt you think for one minute that hispanics should be the ones getting checked? Come on man, get serious. And then, if I were the law, and I caught legal hispanics harboring them, they should be thrown in jail for 10 years. That is what is racist, when someone protects someone who is breaking the law, because of the color of their skin. That is very, very racist, and these people do it all the time. They should be turning these people in, and at the least, helping them to come here legally where they dont have to worry about it. Your racism shows through big time. “Profiling” is a cop out. Its good police and detective work to look at the people you are supposed to be looking at. Give me a break.

      • 6months

        The promise on Obama’s website: “Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”

      • JeffH

        David gives a typically liberal scenario and response.

      • 45caliber

        David: This is EXACTLY the attitude I expect those in power to use when they try to take over. “Drop a nuke!” And I believe that part of the constant hype about the dangers of a EMP wave from a nuke is deliberate – it is a warning to the people to not resist or we’ll put you back a hundred years and let you starve! And many will. But I also expect to see a mass uprising the moment such a nuke is used here.

      • Pathfinder

        No, I see no problem with such an approach. But then I AM well trained in nuclear, biological, and chemical warfare. BTW, How would your analogy be applied to the use of “Fat Man” and “Little Boy” at Hiroshima and Nagasaki ??

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And he is doing all he can to make both of them failures, so that him and his Chicago thugs can continue to point the finger at Bush, while offering no solutions to any of this country’s problems. Thats it. If peace ensues over there, its bad for the democrats, and they have even publicly said as much. But if it all goes bad, then its good for them. You see, they have no interest in doing what is good for America, only in doing what is good for their party. That is why Obummer is going to keep our kids there, with no course of action, so that many of them can die and he can blame Bush. Its dispicable, but that is what these guys do.

      • lola

        Why would the democratic party not want the war to end if that meant that they would lose the election and control of the house and the senate. That is counter-productive and there is no evidence or sense that supports your “theory”. Use that thing called a brain in you head.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Because they hate Bush so much. Thats all they have, is to point the finger and say “Its Bush’s fault”. If the war goes well and peace is set up, and all is good, it looks good for the Republicans. If it all falls apart and goes bad, they can sit there and say “look what Bush did”, in an attempt to make themselves look good, as they cant do it with any actions or plans, because they have none. They got elected pointed fingers and placing blame, and that is all they are still doing. Face it, thats how it is. Even top democrats have said live on the radio and TV, how it fares well for the democrats if the war goes bad. Im not writing the material, just reporting the facts to you. This is what they have said, and thats how it is.

      • Jim Wright

        Sen. Obama opposed the war in Iraq because he said that the real war was in Afghanistan where we should be fighting, not Iraq. Now he doesn’t want to fight that war either. It was all a smoke screen because he is a Muslim. How about dong some reading yourself.

      • Mark Are

        If I was a PSYCHOPATH like the “leaders” of this world are, I wouldn’t see a problem with nuking the neighborhood to get those that are a threat to ME. And if a few thousand innocent people were to get vaporized? What would I car. I’m a PSYCHOPATH that has no conscience.

        Read BEWARD THE PSYCHOPATH MY SON, by Clinton Callahan and you will then start to see the whole picture. As Paul Harvey used to say…and now the REST OF THE STORY.

      • Mark Are

        FINALLY! Someone with a brain! I was starting to get concerned…

    • refuse2lose

      Do you guys realize what soldiers are doing there? They are guarding poppy fields and clearing the way for pipelines to be installed. Do you really think we are there because of radical terrorists? We are there because we need a presence in that area of the world. Think about this for a little while and it will make sense.

      • THOMAS STEWART

        Refuse2lose You Got The Answer With The Problem When The Whiner And Chief Is A Weiny Yellow Belly Muslim Whom Thinks He Can Talk His Way Thru All Prolems, Wrong, This Is Not ACORN Pres Obama, Yikees Nothing Can Be Accomplished With This Paper-Less Traitor Liar Who Should Have Never Been Elected If He Was Vetted, Yikees, No Social Security Card Plus Never Attending Columbia Univ Yikees, Pull-Up Rev James D. Manning PhD Obama Trial Of The Longlegged Mack Daddy Dumbocare.

      • lola

        I’m sorry. Speak english please…

      • libertytrain

        Press 1 for Spanish, 2 for English.

      • BigBadJohn

        Refuse – you are correct. Afghanistan was nothing more than a chess piece. When Bush went in he had the support of the world because he was going after OBL and Al Queda. But what did he do when he had OBL and Al Queda cornered in Tora Bora? Why he let them walk away to Pakistan!
        Tora Bora should have been continuously bombed till there was nothing left but rubble. However, that would have removed the whole reason for the middle east war including the invasion of Iraq.

        Afghanistan was a key piece in Bush false flag operation to open the national treasury to his cronies..

      • BravoOne

        Bush wasn’t even president when that happened, Bill Clinton was. He was the one that called them off. Get your facts straight!

      • BigBadJohn

        WHAAAT???? Bill Clinton was president after 9/11?? Bill Clinton invaded Afghanistan??? Stop the presses!!! Bravo one want to rewrite history!!!!!

      • lola

        ooh… is that what Fox News told you?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yeah right, and it was a war for oil for Bush/Cheney/Halliburton. Only thing is, oops, we forgot to get the oil. Your an idiot.

      • eddie47d

        Beberoni, Your the idiot(your word). Bush screwed up and forgot to secure the wells and too many were damaged to make any money off the “deal”.

      • BigBadJohn

        Beberoni are you forgetting Bush sent 12 BILLION IN CASH to his private military in Iraq – Mission Accomplished!

        That is just the most blatant of thefts the past administration pulled on America.

        Would you be screaming if Obama gave someone who was suspected of stealing one billion dollars a no-bid contract because it was his brother? What if he had no company to fulfill that contract?

        That is exactly what GWB did for his brother Neil.

        Was the war in Iraq for oil – sure but that is only a small part of it.
        The bigger part is the old magicians trick. Keep your eye on the birdie, keep your eye on the birdie – as they pick your pocket!
        Bush and the republicans picked YOUR pocket of 6 trillion dollars – and either you don’t even realize it or you do not want to admit it!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Hey bonehead, are you aware that this well didnt start drilling until Feb. 2010. Seems to me, Bush was out of office well over a year at that point. Lets see, who was in charge of making sure this well was all safe and sound. Hmm. Who could it be? Who was president since 2008? Hmmm, Who could it be. It was Obama you nut job, now quit pointing the finger, errorneously, again.

      • Will

        From my very limited knowledge of Tora Bora, seems we had “eyes on” target. The intel folks had him surrounded and went up the food chain to NCA requesting Rangers for direct action and security assets to solidify the situation and capitalize – but were refused. The rest is history. Reminiscent of Somalia when we had level 1 humint with “eyes on” Aidid. While waiting NCA approval, the operators on our amphib platform were gearing up for approval to go in and take a clean shot – but were also refused. After that many avoidable and unfortunate things occurred that could have been avoided, i.e. TF Ranger… Blackhawk Down etc. When it comes time to go, the suits need to man up and let the operators operate, and historically this has been a problem. Just my pesos worth.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        BigBadJohn,
        It seems to me a lot of you guys are forgetting the lessons of RVN. We bombed and bombed the NVA under ground and when they stopped the bombing raids, they came out of their holes in the ground and killed more of our troops. that was in a country that was mud and dirt. The country of Afghanistan’s mountains are solid granite and bedrock! you could bomb those mountains 24 hrs a day for thirty days and not make a dent!!! why do you think our strategic air command is built into the mountains out west? It’s because it almost impervious to a direct hit from a nuke!!! Then there’s the threat of blasting a nuke that close to china or russia! You think they’re gonna just sit there and let it happen?

      • dan of arizona

        is this reconwill?

      • http://ReconWill? Will

        Dan of AZ..reconwill? meaning me, no. Meaning assets on amphib platform? that would be MEU (SOC) special ops capable…direct action platoon, comprised of security assets such as the helo company USMC, the DA Plt comprised of MSPF (maritime special purpose force..of seals and force recon det) and assorted cats and dogs in support of the show. In this case the shooter was from seals and course of ction was to launch them by rubber boats up the river, take shot with .308 M14, and retrograde. Good plan and would have worked but NCA had other ideas, or most likely no idea..i.e. clueless. Aidid’s son was Lance Corporal in USMC Reserves and maybe they thought he should take over LOLOLOLOL! This was the same bunch that refused armor assets early on..SecDef Aspen. Their focus at the time was don’t ask, don’t tell etc.

      • BigBadJohn

        Joe, Bombing Tora Bora to rubble was a figure of speech. But the intention is the same. If the roads were continuously bombarded, no one could have simply walked out like Osama did.

        I do not know the name of the bomb, but remember reading about it in Gulf war 1. This bomb starts spraying alcohol couple hundred of feet above the surface. When it hits the pillar of alcohol burns causing a large percussion that sucks the eyeballs out of any living thing within hundreds of yards. They called it the closest thing to a battlefield nuke. If these bombs were used they either would have killed the people in the caves or drove them deep into the mountains where they could be sealed in……

      • 45caliber

        Pipelines? BOY, have you been listening to many MSM reporters and liberals! First, Afghanistan doesn’t have any oil to my knowledge. Second, Iraq’s government decides who gets the oil – and most of it goes to Europe.

        Do you have any idea where most of our oil comes from? Canada, Mexico, Venezuala, and Iran. Not Iraq. It never did come from there and I doubt very seriously if it ever will.

      • BigBadJohn
      • eddie47d

        BBJ, Think Caliber will believe you now and it has been in the news for at least 2 years.

      • American Citizen

        I wouldn’t believe anything that comes from wikipedia. It doesn’t really have the best interests of this country at heart.

      • BigBadJohn

        Eddie, no one believes FACTS around here, they are happy in their belief in FOX news bites.

        You don’t know how many times I have pointed out that in 2008 Bush had a 1.5 TRILLION dollar deficit, but yet most people think his WORST year was about 300 billion.

        All you hear around here is about Obama’s false flag operations, but people will not acknowledge that Bush’s false flag operation, 9/11, accomplished ALL of the stated objectives of the PNAC.

        People believe what they want to believe and do not want to hear facts.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        He is another one of those Bush/Cheney/Halliburton war for oil idiots, only there never was a war for oil, or we would have had their stinking oil. The jerks are still just pointing fingers and placing blame, because the Long Legged Mack Daddy in the white house has no interest in winning. His party looks bad if Iraq has peace, and Afghanistan gets settled. But his party looks real good if it all goes to hell in a hand basket, and many of our children get killed over there. Then he can stand back up on his milk crate and point that Long Legged Mack Daddy finger at Bush, and continue to place blame. The democrats have no interest in winning this thing, or staying on the course set. He even fired the guy leading the charge, because he actually told the truth to reporters that Obama talked to him just once in 6 weeks. It makes me sick that America put this Long Legged Mack Daddy in there. He is a dismal failure, and needs to go quickly.

      • eddie47d

        Your so clueless on the oil deals so don’t be blaming the mack daddy or whatever ignorant name you have in mind.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yes eddie, the Long Legged Mack Daddy is to blame, for all he has had a hand in. You cant blame others for his failures. Let the Long Legged Mack Daddy be accountable for his actions.

      • Mark Are

        You KNOW? You many believe, but you hardly KNOW squat. We all may believe the BS that is fed to us, but what we KNOW is limited. I have had enough evidence shoved in my face about 9/11 to KNOW it wasn’t done by 19 Arabs with box cutters commanded by a guy in Afghanistan on a laptop in a cave. That is the biggest joke of the century.

      • Mark Are

        WOW! Finally…SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN!

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      I agree. It’s time to get our young people out of there. Those people have been at war for a thousand years and we’re not going to bring peace there. The Pakistanis are knifing us in the back, no Muslim regimes can be trusted, and our own government has become our worst enemy. Get our troops out of there. It is not worth the lives of our next generation. By the way, I am a very conservative independent. I just don’t think there’s anything over there worth fighting for. The Democrats are in bed with the left wing kooks and the Republicans & most Democrats are in bed with big business. It’s time to bring our troops home. Maybe we can use them on our southern border.

      • Pathfinder

        I agree, we should pull our troops out so that they will not be exposed to the blast and radiation when our nukes land.

      • Mark Are

        Another WHACK JOB.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The Pakistani’s and the Saudi’s masquerade as our friend, while they are harboring terrorists and allowing them to camp there, and are funding their operations. I would delight in a war for oil, and go in and kick the Saudi’s out and take their oil.

      • eddie47d

        Always taking other peoples oil. Your wisdom got left behind go search for it.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Well fast eddie, where as you prefer to keep giving these arab terrorist billions of dollars, while they use our own money against us in the form of training terrorists and buying and shipping weapons to those who use them against us, then oh yes my man, I am all for going in there, kicking some butt, and taking their stinking oil from them, at least enough to pay for freeing Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan, and for keeping the fat cat terrorist Saudi Arabians safe all this time. Thats right, I would have no qualms at all if our government announced we were going in to make a war for oil to get back what we have invested. I would applaud Obama if he did this. Of course, that would take some planning and action on his part, and we both know that isnt going to happen. Now is it? So relax.

    • Corinne

      “For whom does Mr. Obama work?” Good question… Am I the only person who remembers that Obama was, during his extremely short tenure as a U.S. Senator from Illinois, assigned to the Afghan Intelligence (oversight?) Committee? Am I mistaken? If I am correct, I believe that, as soon as Obama got the assignment, big corporations with a financial interest in perpetuating the Afghan War put his hand in their pockets. Obama’s continuation of this particular war seems, to me, to be payback for their “generosity”. This is, after all, the age of Chicago-style politics.

      • Granny Mae

        Corinne,

        By gosh gal you nailed it ! Kissinger says they are grooming Obama for the one world government ! Food for thought. What happens to companies when they get too big? They are uncontrolable ! What happens when a government gets too big? One World ! This is why all these people are trying to take from those of us that have and give to those who don’t have. It won’t be long till none of us have anything except Obama and his Chicago cronies and the very rich ! Their speal is that everyone should be equal !!! I want to be equal to Obama and George Sorose . Do you think that will ever happen ? If you want to take down a tree where do you start cutting? We have had to take down a lot of trees around this place and I have never seen the old guy here start at the top ! First he clears all the junk around the base and then he cuts the base, and then he digs out the roots and fill’s in the hole !

      • 45caliber

        I do agree with you. Have you ever really considered the world governments other than ours? ONLY ours is pushing for a one-world government – because our politicians believe they will be in charge. Further, big business likes the idea because they won’t have to pay all the import/export fees.

        Russia doesn’t like the idea and neither does China. Most countries in Europe don’t as well, even though they formed the EU to try to compete better with us. Do you actually believe the French now love the Germans? Not likely!

    • Lee

      Sorry, Atlas. Those things happen, and its always when someone really comes up with a sensible comment!

      I still think nuking the entire area–Pakistan and Afganistan–would be a great idea! I was for that when this thing first started, and I’m still for it! Of course, we would be those “dreadful Americans who pick on the little guy!” Yes, but we happen to also be the guys paying for this fiasco! Bring all of our troops home, now! As for the Taliban, they’ll be there forevermore anyway, and the people in the two countries are going to have to fight back on their own! But, they won’t because its so much easier to whine and cry to the UN for assistance—spelled “U.S.A.!” No! Nuke the dickens out of them!

      • Pathfinder

        I repeat, the best reason to pull our troops out of Afganistan is to keep them from being exposed to the blast and radiation when our nukes land.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        It is so stupid for us to go into these wars, and then fight them their way, sneaking around in caves and behind rocks. Hiding across the border in Pakistan where they arent supposed to be, but hey, war has no rules. They hid in Pakistan, Iran, Syria, and probably Jordan too. Its dumb to play their way. Its like have 2 seven foot guys inside, and the other team’s tallest guy is 5 foot, and you stand outside and shoot 3 pointers all day, instead of using your strength of the two big guys inside where they can dominate the opponent. We have all the weapons we need to dominate, but instead we leave them home.Its time for a big Kaaaaarrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaacccccccccck. The call up Iran, and ask them if they now want to play.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Typo. Then call up Iran and ask them if they want to play.

    • Bill Pitsker

      “s c” has it near-right (Aug 4, 1:32am), in that he mentions the minions who direct our actions. Every war we’ve been in since the War of 1812 has been a manipulation from the Rothschild Banking cartel of Europe. We lost life, we lost economically, we had to recover. They only gained, both financially and politically. We’ve become a “colony” of these banker/businessmen who still pull the strings of Western politics.
      We need to abolish the “Fed” and root out and destroy the infiltrators who control us. If we don’t, there will be a single world dictatorship by the end of this century (or decade?).
      One might also look at the wars since the Korean as turf wars for the drug trade (we’re in one at the southern border and we’re losing).

      • Pathfinder

        Bill Pitsker: I think that you too have read “The Creature from Jekyll Island”. It is, indeed, time that we both audit and then abolish the Fed. We need to stop the “banksters” (combine bankers and gangsters to coin this new word). In addition, let us kill the other monster that was born in 1913 AD : ABOLISH THE INCOME TAX !!

    • lola

      Ok, I’m sorry but none of what you said made any sense… it sounds to me that you are just anti-government. If you haven’t heard Obama has a time-table of a month – that means the end of August – to get the troops out of Iraq leaving a small amount of troops and service workers to continue monitoring the Iraqi police force. GB got us into Afghanistan and we would be complete idiots, aka it would be the stupidest possible thing for us to do if we nuked afghanistan, and he was the one in charge for the first 7 years of the war. The situation there is so unstable that the US government can’t just pull out the troops immediately, no matter how much us and the rest of the world would like that to happen. The government says it intends to pull troops out of afghanistan next year, no one knows how many yet but you, me, and everyone else can get mad at Obama after August if the time-table isn’t followed. You can’t say Obama will not do anything if he is in the process of doing something! You have to listen to what other people have to say and at least consider it a little before you climb back into your anti-government hovel.
      The people of Afghanistan and Pakistan and the middle east are not the problem. There are statistics that prove only 1 or 2 percent of the population are actually insurgents. If we were to nuke them, we would be killing more than 300 times the amount of people who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan put together, soldiers and civilians alike. Not only would we be doing something so inhumane we would be hated by everyone in the world, but also destroying some of the roots of civilization that lie in undiscovered ruins. In addition to those things, we would be making a huge amount of the earth that is actually fertile enough to grow food would be unlivable and unusable. The exponential growth of the world’s population is growing so fast that we need every inch of space we can get. Nuking that land would be like shooting ourselves in the foot.
      One last thing, in this article the guy starts talking about that New York Times with the “mosques spitting out fire” or something like that. I would really like to see the full article because all of those verses were taken so out of context its insane. It makes it sound like all muslims hide in their mosques and kill anyone that comes near, which I know for a fact is not true. That is just pure prejudice that will cause our demise if we think like that. Anyone who does doesn’t deserve to be a leader, a teacher, a doctor, or have any part in our government.

      • Mark Are

        Good to see some NORMAL people on this thread among so may PSYCHOPATHS.

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