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The Government's Tax Fraud

July 26, 2010 by  

The Government's Tax Fraud

President Barack Obama campaigned on the notion that he wouldn’t raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000. Or was it $225,000? Or maybe it was $200,000. Anyway, that’s what he said, even though the figures changed from time to time… depending on his mood, I guess.

But of course we’re seeing that that was just one of his many li… er, deceptions. Because, as a recent Investor’s Business Daily (IBD) report revealed, there’s a “…Tax Tsunami On The Horizon.”

Beginning in 2011, when the tax cuts instituted under President George W. Bush expire, all sorts of tax increases will hit the American taxpayer—for those making more than $200,000 and for those making less.

Here are some of them, according to IBD:

  • The Federal Estate tax goes from zero this year to 55 percent on estates of $1 million or more.
  • The tax brackets change. The lowest bracket increases from 10 percent to 15 percent, the next increases from 25 percent to 28 percent and the old 28 percent bracket increases to 31 percent. At the higher end, the 33 percent bracket goes up to 36 percent and the 35 percent bracket increases to 39.6 percent.
  • The marriage penalty returns.
  • Capital gains taxes increase from 15 percent to 20 percent. The tax on dividends will go from 15 percent to 39.6 percent. That’s an astonishing jump of 164 percent. And both of these will increase more in 2013 as the healthcare reform bill adds a 3.8 percent Medicare tax for those making $200,000 and joint filers making $250,000.
  • The tax credit for children decreases from $1,000 per child to $500.

According to IBD, letting the Bush tax cuts expire will cost taxpayers $115 billion next year alone, and $2.6 trillion through 2020, Congressional Budget Office figures show.

And this is just the first wave. The IBD article outlines billions of dollars of new taxes brought on by Obamacare that kick in over the coming years, such as the increase in the number of people affected by the alternative minimum tax (ATM) from 4 million families this year to 28.5 million next year.

The biggest con game of all is that tax increases are sold as necessary to fund the operations of government. Taxes do not to fund government. They are merely a means for government to steal more of your wealth.

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) reduces the money in our checking accounts when we authorize them to do so via our 1040 tax return. Do you wonder where the money goes that IRS removes from our pay checks? This money does not go to Washington as taxes to pay anything. It goes into the cyberspace of the IRS computers.

So what does the IRS do? It reduces our consumption by reducing the numbers (money) in our checking accounts. It is a system of economic regulation to conceal the fraud that modern money is numbers created without limit by government/bankers.

What else does this Orwellian system do? It transfers wealth to the "money creators." Theft through fiat occurs when the VOLUME of numbers (money) exceeds the production of goods and services. This is called inflation. So, the government makes war on its own people by increasing the volume of money.

So how is government funded? It sells Treasury bonds. How are Treasuries paid for? With Federal Reserve Notes (dollars) printed on a printing press. Debt is used to pay for more debt.

It’s like if you had no money in your checking account, but you wrote a check for $25 so you could have some spending money. The next day you go to another bank and write a check for $50—$25 to cover the previous day’s check and $25 for spending money. The next day you go to another bank and write a check for $75—$50 to cover the previous day’s checks and $25 for spending money.

You can keep this scam going for some time, but the numbers inflate so that by the end of the year you are writing checks for thousands of dollars each day to cover yourself. That’s the same scam the government is using to cover its debt now—debt paying for debt… nothing for nothing.

Many are now—finally—waking up to the scam and fraud that is government. IBD quotes a poll that says 51 percent want to see the Bush tax cuts made permanent. Just 28 percent don’t. Republicans by more than four to one and independents by two to one want to see them made permanent. Democrats, by 40 percent to 38 percent don’t.

Does that tell you who is actually paying the taxes?

Bottom line, neither Obama nor Democrats in Congress are truly interested in addressing the economic malaise that currently affects our country’s—and the world’s—economy. And Republicans are interested only so far as they can use it as a tool to get elected. None of them are really looking out for you.

All of them simply want more of what you have so they’ll have you further under their control.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Ray W.

    Leave my union alone and I’ll vote for you: I live off my Union Pension and am retired. I might want to be your running mate.

  • Cheryl Armstrong

    As to term limits this can be done right at the state level. OK already has that. To even assume that the people we send to Washington will make that happen is to look for beach front property in AZ. We the people need to push our own state representatives to pass the term limits on those going to serve in Washington. We also on the state level need to require those serving in Washington to come and ask us when they want a pay raise and require they contribute to and receive only social security when they leave office. No more salaries for life and special retirement.

    I have asked and never got an answer as to why would a person hide his birth certificate and school records and passports? Unless he has something to hide.

  • http://yahoo Judy

    We need something like the original guy said. We need to follow our Constitution. Without it we are not America. Terms need to be limited. We must protect our boarders. There needs to be a mental test before running. Our leaders need to not be insane. We must cut back on spending. Income tax needs to be done away with. A fair tax only. We must drill and work on new ways for energy. We must all work and support ourselves. Didn’t John Smith say ” if you don’t work you don’t eat.” Those that can’t work their family will take care of them.( Not the gov,) They can’t take care of anything. I think Alan Keys can do this. Mark R. Levin would also be great for president.

  • http://none Larry Swicegood

    After reading most of these comments, some good some bad, one might wonder what in the word is going on with those who continue to blame the Bush administration for the national debt. The truth is, most of this problem, although not all of it, started with the Johnson administration when he and his fellow Democrats bankrupted our social security when he used it to pay for some of those liberal projects Democrats said were good for the country. So please don’t tell us that the Democractic Party is the party of the little man, when indeed it was their policies that have lead to much of the joblessness we now see in America today. Have Americans forgotten how good the economy was under the Bush administration’s first six years in office,how his tax cuts help the economy, and what happened when the far left Democrats took over the power in Washington. They blocked every thing Bush tried to do, including reining in Freedie Mack and Fannie May, while the Democracts shut him down. Even the coward, Barney Frank, said there was no problems with these lending institutions, and also said that even if there was, he and congress would not bail them out. Then when ask about this by Bill Oreilly, Frank denide his words, and I might add, his involvement with these two institutions. There were others who said the same thing, all Democrats I might add, and yet when their hero Barak Obama took office and started his charge for his bailout plan these same Democrats who denided any problems with these institution , were the first to vote for the stimulous package to bail out these instituions. Barny Frank and Chris Dowd where two of the most vocal supporters of the bailout. So the truth of the matter is this; The economy actually staring going down hill when the far left liberals, now in charge of congress, took control. Even though Bush should have handled this situation better, he had his throat cut by the far left democrats that is now have in charge of our country. I can only hope that in November the voters in states like Neveda, Califonia, as well as others, will finally open their eyes to what the Democrat Party has turned into, The New Socialist Party of America. And one final thing. I encourage all voters to look at those who will be running for office in November, to look at the candidates who best represent what this country was founded on, not their promises. The Mayflower Compact, our first founding document said in its first five words, “IN THE NAME OF GOD,” while the first three words in The U.S. Constituion said,”WE THE PEOPLE.” So it would be a good idea for all Americans To put those eight little words together to read;”IN THE NAME OF GOD, WE THE PEOPLE.” IT’s time to return this country back to God, and it doesn’t matter what any liberal, atheist, or humanist might say or believe, and that includes the most anti American groups in America today, The ACLU, Americans for Seperation of Church and State, The Freedom From Religion Foundation, and the most racist of all these groups, Tha NAACP.

    • Kinetic1

      Where did you get your time line? Following WWII the national debt, as a % of GDP was 93.1%. Not too surprising given the cost of such a war. By the time President Johnson was through it was down to 38.6% and continued to drop to a low of 32.5% under President Carter. Reagan and Bush 1 increased it to 66.1% and, after Clinton’s success in bringing it back down 10 points, Bush 2 pushed it right back up!

      There were no “great” bush years. He came in under a cloud of controversy. He ignored warnings and saw the greatest terrorist attack on American soil under his watch. Sure, the tax cuts felt good, but the debt was going through the roof. Unemployment rose sharply (though not to the levels left by his father), dropped and then rose to new highs. Bush took us into two unnecessary wars. His administration lowballed the time and cost (“It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.” Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld), tried to hide the impact by not allowing the arrival of fallen soldiers to be seen and falsified the budget by not including the costs of his wars. And finally, it was Bush, not President Obama who claimed we were at a “critical moment” when he worked to push through the $700 million bail out of the banks. Nope, there was no time to read it over or debate other options, we needed to give them money NOW!

      • http://PLD O yeah

        what flavor koolaide you like

      • http://PLD TomD

        Did your hero Clinton ignore the warnings
        he cut back on military spending
        allowing attacks on our country with Bin Laden behind them
        But that was ok with you because your .COM stock rose and as long as your portfolio was looking good everything was peachy

    • eddie47d

      Your anti-American for saying these groups are anti-American. I hardly doubt if the naacp is the most racist group and your only saying that because the Right told you to.

      • marcel

        Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
        - Martin Luther King Jr

  • Les

    Why don’t any of the Soroswatch links work? I know that there were at least 2 soroswatch.org and soroswatch.com. Both are messed up.

  • libra

    TO JAMES A. GRAHAM–WONDERFUL ARTICLE ON SOROS. I AM ENLIGHTENED ABOUT THE MANIPULATOR OF OUR PUPPET PRESIDENT. HOW DOES SOROS CONTINUE TO GET AWAY WITH HIS CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY? I KNEW HE WAS A BAD ACTOR BUT NEVER REALZED THAT HE WAS A GLOBAL CRIMINAL OCTOPUS. HE IS WELL ON HIS WAY OF DESTRUCTION OF THE ECONOMY –ACCOMPLISHED BY OBAMA–DESTRUCTION OF OUR MONETARY SYSTEM AND THE OVER RUNNING OF THE COUNTRY BY THE DRUG CARTELS FROM MEXICO. I UNDERSTAND WHY OBAMA SUES AND FIGHTS EVERY ACTION THAT WE THE PEOPLE DESIRE. HOW BRIBES, LIES AND CRAMMING DOWN THE CITIZEN’S THROATS LEGISLATION THAT MOST CITIZENS ABHOR.HE HAS ALMOST ACCOMPLISHED THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF OUR CONSTITUTION. HE VIOLATES IT EVERY DAY AND THEN LIES ABOUT IT ALONG WITH HIS CRIMINAL ACCOMPLICES REID AND PELOSI.

    • Magnum1

      George Soros is the absolute monster that all you non-progressives say he is. What can be done to shut him down? More money than he has? Are the billionaires in this country not willing to take this idiot down? Or are of all our billionaires just like Soros? Or are all the wealthy with their trust funds just like Soros? I am afraid the 2010 vote will be bought by Soros with his influence and his money. There is no majority vote left in the good old USA. The Country has been bought and paid for. Could there be a chance to stop him? I wonder.

  • Laurie

    Just one more thought.

    “The values that made America great are, in reality, the commandments of God. They provide the foundation upon which the American republic was built. And if American democracy seems shaky today, it’s only because that foundation has been eroded and weakened under the guise of separation of church and state.
    . . . If we would maintain the independence and freedom the Founding Fathers intended, we must work to preserve and protect the moral foundation upon which they built the U. S. government. We must stand boldly for righteousness and truth, and must defend the cause of honor, decency, and personal freedom espoused by Washington, Madison, Adams, Lincoln, and other leaders who acknowledged and loved God.”
    Elder M. Russell Ballard, “Religion in a Free Society,” Ensign, Oct 1992, 64

    • Kinetic1

      While I support your right to practice your religion, and while I would never suggest that our founders, some more than others looked to their religious upbringing to guide them, I must point out that your sources are among those who have sought to falsely present the importance of religion (particularly Christian) in our government’s founding. Note that, in his biography, Thomas Jefferson recounted that some legislators wanted to place “Jesus Christ” before the words “Holy author of our religion” in the Religious Clauses of the Bill of Rights. This insertion “was rejected by a great Majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it’s protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.” Jefferson was very proud of this decision, so much so that he asked that this work be noted on his grave.

      Tales of our founder’s religious lives were embellished by Christian leaders during the “second awakening” of the late 18th and early 19th century. Following the death of George Washington, the biographer Mason “Parson” Weems set forth to show that the great mans success was “due to his Great Virtues”. For decades Parson Weems wrote fables about our 1st president and his religious ways, most in direct conflict with the writings of Washington’s friends and contemporaries. Prayer books have been “found” and stories have been told about Washington’s great devotion to his church, but few mention that he was known to leave the church before sacrament. When it was pointed out to him that this set a bad example for lesser men, Washington agreed and made a point of not attending church on sacramental Sundays.

      Religion was a part of everyday life in 17th and 18th century America, and the Church held great sway over the people. Our leaders were expected to attend and participate in church, but this in no way guarantees that they were any more religious than a modern man drug to church by his wife. Truth be told, religion in early America, just as in the European nations our founders came from, threatened to tear our nation apart before it could even start. The battles between the states and their favored sects are well recorded. Had it not been for the men behind our Constitution and Bill of Rights, had it not been for their commitment to separating religion from our nations government, we might now be a continent of separate nations instead of states.

      • Laurie

        “I must point out that your sources are among those who have sought to falsely present the importance of religion (particularly Christian) in our government’s founding.”

        We can agree to disagree on that point. To my knowledge your sources may be full of conjecture and hearsay.

        This is what me and my sources believe:

        Latter-day Saints also believe in the importance of freedom of religion. The eleventh article of faith states: “We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.”

        “We believe that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them, both in making laws and administering them, for the good and safety of society. . . .

        I whole heartily agree that this country should protect all religions that uphold “. . . each individual the free exercise of conscience, the right and control of property, and the protection of life”.

      • Kinetic1

        Laurie,
        I am aware of the beliefs of the LDS church as I was a member for several years. I appreciate your devotion to your god, your church and your leaders. The information I offered to you is, in most cases based on history and the writings of the men I am speaking about. No doubt some opinion and interpretation finds it’s way in to these writings as even the Bible has been distorted by man over the centuries, however there is no question but that many Christian leaders have distorted the facts about the piety of some of our founders. Many, if not all were good, church going individuals raised in one of the many Christian sects. Several felt that their religion should guide the country, but as Adams said

        “..I could not help wishing that the ancient practice had been continued down to more modern times and that all the Prophets at least from Peter the Hermit, to Nimrod Hews inclusively had been confined to the stocks and been prevented from spreading so many delusions and shedding so much blood.”

        The time of our country’s founding was also the time of the great enlightenment. Seeing as many of our founders were also among the great minds of the times, it is reasonable to assume that they would know of the tenants of this movement and at least some would subscribe to them. A Deist is not an atheist, so I would not suggest that these men were without belief, but many saw the church as a force for public unity at best, and divisive hatred at worst. It is not a portrait of America’s great men that Glen Beck would like, but it is how they described themselves.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Imovable 1
        I suggest you read the letters from the rest of the founders! Most DID believe in God and quite a few believed in his Son!

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan

        Kinetic -
        In order to avoid moral accountability, progressive/atheists distort what our founders did not say about religion. They said government should not make laws to regulate religion. They did not say government should not involve religion in public affairs. This is analogous to distributing power among several branches of government, which most would agree was not intended to prohibit power from being exercised. Our forefathers would be aghast at the obsession to expunge religion from every venue and discourse that can be remotely associated with government. To our detriment, too many of our laws are based on this politically correct thinking. George Washington, like other leaders of his time, was respectful and reserved in leadership. He left behind a 24-page handwritten book called “Daily Sacrifice” that shows the claims of progressive/atheist sources for what they are. In it, he discusses Jesus being the Son of God; “my only savior”, whose blood was shed on the cross “for me”; respect for God’s “holy word”; a desire to be more like Jesus; a recognition of personal sin; a desire to be delivered from the “cunning of the devil or deceitfulness of sin”; acknowledgement of need for the “means of Grace”, prayers for the rulers of church and state; watchfulness for the “coming of the Lord Jesus”; and the time when “the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall arise and stand before the judgment seat”. Does that sound like a Christian? BTW, I am Jewish, and I believe the attack on Christianity only encourages a decline in morality and thus our country.

      • Kinetic1

        Allan,
        I am not trying to “avoid moral accountability”, but to point to the truth. No matter your stand on the separation of church and state, basing your stand on the idea that our founders were all devout Christians deeply involved in the church is simply a false foundation. As I stated previously, some of the founders were devout in their religious lives, but the devotion of others has been falsified. Case in point, “Washington’s prayer book.” It comes up from time to time, whenever a Christian leader needs to bolster patriotism to further his cause, but it was debunked almost a century ago. In 1926, a scholar devoted to the life of Washington, Rupert Hughes wrote that no evidence connects Washington to this prayer book, which was found in an old trunk almost 100 years after his death. A penmanship expert consulted by Hughes confirmed that it wasn’t even in Washington’s handwriting. Now I know that there are some Christian scholars today who will argue this, such as Dr. Peter Lillback, but these same scholars seem willing to ignore the first hand accounts of Washington’s closest friends and colleagues, even the leaders of the churches he attended who commented on his standing as a Deist.

        You and others will believe what you want and for whatever reasons you have. I for one am not concerned that some of our country’s greatest minds were religious men, but not devoted to the church. Were it not for their wisdom, the influence of the Churches may have adversely affected the founding of this nation. If you do not understand my concerns, read about the church’s divisive impact on the early settlements and states.

    • Laurie

      This message speaks of our Founding Fathers being devoted to God and his commandments. Also, that when God (the Creator) and his commandments our taken out of our Government (not a Church) then our Christian/Judaism (those who use the Bible as a guide) nation will be taken down the road of Atheism (which I believe is a religion).

      “. . . If we would maintain the independence and freedom the Founding Fathers intended, we must work to preserve and protect the moral foundation upon which they built the U. S. government.”

      Some say we should not legislate morality. Those who take this position should realize that the law of crimes legislates nothing but morality. “Should we repeal all laws with a moral basis so that our government will not punish any choices some persons consider immoral? Such an action would wipe out virtually all of the laws against crimes.”

      • http://PLD Tommy

        I believe that most of the founding fathers were Mason’s and it has controversy with the Christian religion
        they still all had belief in the Ten Commandments which is how we should live our lives no matter what our faith is or if we have no belief

  • Laurie

    Another thought I put in my church’s program. Note: LDS First Presidency (Prophet at that time was President Spencer W. Kimball)

    “Those who oppose all references to God in our public life have set themselves the task of rooting out historical facts and ceremonial tributes and symbols so ingrained in our national consciousness that their elimination could only be interpreted as an official act of hostility toward religion. Our constitutional law forbids that.
    “As the ruling principle of conduct in the lives of many millions of our citizens, religion should have an honorable place in the public life of our nation, and the name of Almighty God should have sacred use in its public expressions.”
    First Presidency Statement, “America’s Religious Heritage,” 9 March 1979

  • Laurie

    Here are some quotes I’ve been putting in my church’s program.

    . . . The Founding Fathers understood this country’s spiritual heritage. They frequently declared that God’s hand was upon this nation, and that He was working through them to create what Chesterton once called “a nation with the soul of a church.” While they were influenced by history and their accumulated knowledge, the single most influential reference source for their work on the Constitution was the Holy Bible. Doubtless they were familiar with the Lord’s counsel to the children of Israel as they struggled to become a great nation: See Deuteronomy 28:1-9
    . . . I believe he (George Washington) would have been troubled to see a time when citizens are forbidden to pray in public meetings; when people claim that “you can’t legislate morality,” as if any law ever passed did not have at its heart some notion of right and wrong; when churches are called intruders when they speak out against public policy that is contrary to the commandments of God . . .
    Elder Russell Ballard, “Religion in a Free Society,” Ensign, Oct 1992, 64

  • Hans Brinkhuis

    To solve this problem is very simple,nobody pays anymore taxes to the government (IRS). If they needed more money let them printed,or take it out of the gongresman and senators they give themselve raises up
    their ass: and the people can go to hell.

  • http://PLD Tommy

    its all about whos got the money and if you work hard,save,invest one of these blood sucking leeches will get it from you some how. Its time to start the revolution people

    • vicki

      Soapbox, Ballot box, Jury box. There are the places we start our revolution. The soap box (this site, The tea party groups, the Gallup poll type numbers) and Ballot box are the most useful right now. Let us show the world what a bloodless revolution looks like come November.

    • Another Donald

      I think your right. January 20th a national strike. The shout heard around the world.

  • http://YAHOO ED FOUTS

    THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE IS ALL FRAUD AND LIES,
    YOU CAN,T BELIEVE ANYTHING COMING FROM THESE THUGS

  • Dave

    Its time to empty the trash cans in D.C.!We will not be able to take the country back by voting, the constitution is being used to make that a reality!Get used to it ,the only way is the hard way!The same way it was originaly adopted,by force ,Get used to it!

    • dan of arizona

      I hear that dave

      • Another Donald

        I agree with you to Dave force is the only alternative left to us. That is why they are pressing the second amendment. This reenforces the national strike Idea. A strong voice without violence.Violence can be held in reserve as the final deterant to a government gone wild.

  • thinking about

    Seems with the two wars we have signed onto it would have become obivious these tax cuts should have been cut in past years and we may not have been so far in debt. Money was spent we did not have and just got too far out of hand. Our jobs has been outsourced and unemployment is high so leaving less taxes being collected. So just what plan to does anyone have to avoid allowing the tax cuts to expire, if one does it should be on the table by now.

  • Norm

    When the current tax cuts expire, lower incomes and middle incomes won’t be touched because these people would be forced to spend less and that’s bad for the economy.
    The rich neither spend nor invest all of their incomes into improving the economy. In fact many use their wealth to finance new factories in foreign countries in search of cheap non american labor. The Bush and Reagan tax cuts produced large federal deficits despite all the BS spread by the right wing nuts. Mr. Bush also was at the helm for one of the biggest economic disasters in US history.
    The latest rants from Washington seem to indicate the return to higher brackets for upper middle and high incomes. Estate taxes will probably be reinstated, although the 1 million deductable is far too low. Capital gains need to be treated as income but inflation on long term gains needs to be factored in. Also eliminating or reducing taxes on small gains would be a good idea.

    • Dagney

      Norm, the government has NO money. They PRINT it, or they STEAL it from the productive in this country and give it or use it for their pet projects. But, the main point is they have NO money. So, given that, what do you actually think is the RIGHT thing to happen? Steal more? Where does that lead? Does that leave the American people with a feeling of freedom and liberty? No, it leaves people with a feeling of oppression and resentment. Do oppressed people jump right out there and innovate? No, they don’t. They STOP innovating, they STOP working, they do whatever they can to figure out how to keep more of THEIR OWN PROPERTY and not have it STOLEN from them! A book I would suggest is the 5,000 Year Leap. It’s a good read and not too complicated.

      • Norm

        Dagney
        The problem is not difficult to understand. Both Democrats and Republicans spend enormous amounts of money.
        The question we as the taxpayers need to ask is: What services do you want from your government?
        Do you want or need:
        By far the largest military in the world;
        Foreign aid to “buy” friends and loyalty;
        Intrusion into the affairs of other countries;
        Massive aid to states (in the US);
        Healthcare;
        Aid to private corporations in the form of grants and tax reductions;
        Bailouts of mismanaged corporations;
        Tax breaks for churches and “charities”;
        Etc..
        Also do we not need to guarantee the SS and Medicare taxes are not stolen for other causes and that they are large enough to finance themselves?
        If we need to spend as we have been, we need to pay the piper. Printing money is not an option, tax increases, unfortunately is.

      • john crawford

        that IS THE PROBLEM.. the government spends too much money for things they have no business doing… they should stick to what is constitutionally mandated to them. we should probably eliminate 70 to 80% of all federal programs. All I want is for them to keep the roads fixed and leave me the hell alone.

      • Dagney

        Exactly. I would only add the constitutionally mandated “defense”. Everything else needs to be phased out. They have no business doing any of it. It is NOT their money! Everything else must be privatized.

      • Al Sieber

        Norm, they’re doing both. they print up money, tax you, and steal out of our pockets. progressive tax is in the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx. a few people on this site go for it, and try and make you believe it’s alright, or they don’t know.

    • Coservative at Birth

      Deficits are created by SPENDING more than your income, not by decreasing the rate of thievery on the private sector. The Democrats really controlled Congress during thr Reagan Administration. Look it up Norm. I guess you will call me names now. As for G.W., we had just received one of the worst economic blows to our economy (9/11.) It is known that in order to stimulate the economy you need to free up private capital and steal less of it, otherwise you end up with little or no growth in economic activity.

      • Kinetic1

        So what you are saying is that Reganomics was a huge success, but the Democrats made it a failure? Why is it that conservatives crow about the great Reagan and 8 wonderful years for all, but then blame it all on the Democrats when the falsehoods about the Reagan years are pointed out?

      • Kinetic1

        One other note. Just as today, the power of the “Democratic Majority” is highly overrated. The number of “Blue Dogs” that will side with the Republicans has been larger than the number of “moderate Republicans” who will side with the Democrats. This was certainly true during the Reagan years when, despite a Democratic majority in the House Reagan was able to get most of his proposals through.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        imovable 1,
        The reason the blue dogs won’t support Nobama is like us they can see he wants to destroy this great nation! He wants to make the U.S.A. a thing of the past named United States N.A.U.

      • Coservative at Birth

        It is not DEMOCRATIC. It is Democrats!! The budget process eminates from Congress, therefore they control the spending. Get it yet? In order to rebuild our National Defense which had been decimated by Jimmy Carter and the Democrat controlled Congress and Senate in the late 1970′s, Reagan had to compromise to get that accomplished. After all, that is the primary purpose of the Federal Government, and had been ignored. Was this before you were born? What were you taught in your history classes? Or, do you choose to be ignorant? I was disapointed that Reagan went along with the increase in F.I.C.A. taxes, and did not take it out of the general fund, so that the excess could be borrowed by the Fed’s and then spent on something not neccessary.

        When I was 9 years old, I argued with Democrats in my basement during many a Precinct Caucus (My Mother was a Precinct Captain), regarding what a fraud Social Security was. Six years later a Democrat President (L.B.J.) started the practice of taking those funds to pay for Vietnam and the Great Society. A lot of good that did.

        The point is when is enough, enough Why do you think it is fair to take someone elses property (wealth) to pay for your pet project. And, when that is not enough, come back for more? It is a violation of the Tenth Comandment, don’t ya know. Why must the Government constantly raise the percentage of G.D.P. it takes for what purposes? When will you realize, that your’e only less free when you steal more and more for Government!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Kinetic1

        I was alive and voting, but not for Reagan.
        Why did Reagan have to “rebuild” our military? We were not as strong as we were at our peak, but we were ready. Well maybe not to your standards, but that’s the point. Who is to say what we need. Do we need to be in so many countries? Is it the responsibility of the American people to fund the world police force? Was it really necessary, or was it just an excuse to increase domestic output by building weapons? Was it wise to cut taxes AND increase spending, sending us into record debt? And talk about taking more of my money for pet projects, how do you justify Star Wars?

        Reagan wanted to spend more on the military after Carter. Bush wanted to spend more on the military after Clinton. Carter saw peace time as a time to concentrate on the home front, Reagan wanted to focus on the “Evil Empire”. Clinton was working on newer, more high tech systems like drones, Bush needed his BIG army to start two wars. The point is there is never enough. Reagan wasted our money. Clinton wasted our money. Our government wastes money and we all bitch at each other about who’s team is worse. Good luck finding a winner.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        kenetic 1,
        If what you say is true, then why did Clintoon also cut funding to VA hospitals? Clintoon hated the military, PERIOD! He and his witch of a wife both demonstrated against the U.S. military in England, foriegn soil, when he attended Cambridge to avoid the draft, coward that he is!!!

      • Kinetic1

        Do you really want to get into a pissing match over military service? How about G.W. Bush and his “service”? Getting daddy to find him a spot in the Guard and training to fly an obsolete plane was not exactly an example of bravery. And Cheney with his 5 draft deferments. Why so many? Well, he needed an extra 2 years to finish college due to his grades. These are the two brave men who insisted we start a war in Iraq, leading to the deaths of thousands of men and women who had more guts and honor then they ever dreamed of! “I’m a war president!” Bush sounded like a cocky little brat playing army when he cam up with that gem.

    • Cameron

      Don’t Bogart that joint, my friend, pass it over again. I want some of what you’ve been smoking!

  • http://www.charter.net James A Graham

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution

    From: James Graham

    THE HEART OF OUR PROBLEMS IS OUR POLITICANS ARE MONEY HUNGRY !!!!

    As a widow of a military retiree, who stood with her husband for over 20 years while he served this country (which was the greatest in the world until this Congress and President took over), I have to say I agree. Shirley

    As a retired military man that have given over twenty-seven years of my life to my country, I truly feel that what this
    Country needs most is a new amendment to the Constitution . I am recommending that we add the 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES.

    For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that Congress members could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn’t pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered…in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

    This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come.

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Congressman, Senators, Representatives and the President together with his/her staff; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Congressman, Senators, Representatives, and the President together with his/her staff that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States”.

    This 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES Will apply to all passed, present and future
    Congressman, Senators And Representatives.
    Just think of all the money this would save the tax payers!!!!!

    I think the Senators, Representatives or Congressman that comes out strongly for this will be our next President.

    HTCM USN Retired James A. Graham E-Mail address is ( jagraham@charter.net ) Please forward !!!!!!!

    • http://N/A David Powell

      What a brilliant idea is the 28th Amendment proposed to make justice truly blind! If lawmakers could not exempt themselves from consequences to their actions much would change on Capitol Hill. However, like passing the Fair Tax, passage would be an uphill battle against an entrenched enemy. The Capitol Hill gang(s) don’t want the Fair Tax because they would lose much of their power and apportionment control while the proposed 28th Amendment would hold them accountable to all they passed. If we the people could get these two measures passed (28th Amendment and The Fair Tax) it would be a stake in the heart of this Dracula of a Administration. Between them they would likely pull us back from the brink that has been getting ever closer through successive administrations. Republican and Democrat alike have contributed to this precarious perch we now find ourselves forced onto as we stare into the abyss. I would hope that the Tea Party takes up both proposed measures and candidates come forward that will honestly work for their passage. I would think that almost any candidate that took up the call for this wonderfully simple 28th Amendment would strike a resonant chord with the American people. Let us hope it happens. Thanks for reading this and good luck to us all.

    • Cameron

      We need a Congress whose members do not consider themselves to be above the law, but held to a higher standard & tighter understanding of the law. After all, those who write our laws should be the most law-abiding among us. For this (& other) reason(s) I oppose the restoration of voting rights to felons until at least twenty squeaky-clean years have passed since completing their sentence, unless it can be proven that they were wrongfully convicted.

    • Laurie

      It sounds good. I wonder if it will ever happen?

  • Chuck Wagner

    This guy is absolutely crazy !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • chucky

      You must live in Washington D.C. get yourself and family out of there you must of inhaled the lose your common sense and moral compass gas.You can be saved!!!I am not crazy Mr. Wagner. that is called sarcasm(look it up in dictionary Mr. Wagner) obviously there is no such gas that will make you lose common sense and moral compass that has been dropped in Washington D.C. Or is there?

      • chucky

        LOL

      • john crawford

        actually some in washington have found how to concentrate the gas into a liquid, put it on a sock, tie it around their heads and suck it in full force…. ahhhhhhhhhhhhh….. thats it… ahhhhhhhhhhh

      • Al Sieber

        Good post chucky, I agree with you. as to the gas, it could be Valium gas,like what they used in Russia some years back.

  • chucky

    It is a very dangerous government and society we live in when the federal government and administrations voted in by the people, pick and choose which laws on the books will be enforced, and which laws on the books will be enforced with a blind eye(immigration, tax cheat Tim Geitner not fined or denied the job as treasury secretary ect.) Wesley Snipes is going to jail for not paying his taxes,Why does this not apply to Tim Geitner,Tom Daschle, Can not wait to see what taxes Charles Rangle avoided. The bottom line is that these public servants were sworn in to uphold the laws of the U.S. It seems in today’s America, If you get lucky(believe me luck and timing are part of it) or work hard to get ahead in the world you are taxed to death. If you are lazy,drug addicted,with no personal responsability for yourself, can hold your breath longer than you can hold a job, You are rewarded with the money that was intended for people who worked all of their life and had money deducted from their pay to make their lives a little easier in their old age(I am not a senior citizen 48y.o.) is robbed from them(no C.O.L. increases yearly anymore because fund has been raped by questionable disability claims, washington robbing it to make budget ect. you know the story) I think terrorists have released a stealth “lose your common sense gas” over Washington D.C.

    • libertytrain

      good comment

  • Big G

    Actually this is great. Only if the government becomes completely uncivilized will we really make them change. A few food riots and a few civil liberties riots under the premise ( we would not need to be on food stamps if we just got to keep our pay). That kind of civil liberties march would free us from that grip. It would be great to have prior military like me walk down the street in uniform with signs saying shame on you that mid rank military and the rest of us peasants are on food stamps. The peasants need to bang on the pots and wave the pitch forks and maybe the military can do it for us. At some point our oppressors will not only take the crop but the the seeds for the next crop.

    • Dagney

      The moment that happens, Obama will declare martial law and end all elections. I think what is happening now is just good enough. The American people are waking up to what a DISASTER the liberal adjenda is and in November will oust most, if not all, statists in the government. Then, we’ll have to deal with the crap the lame-duck congress piles on between November and January. It can all be turned back if we all vote!

  • http://www.charter.net James A Graham

    This explains how evil organizations, corporations, media and people grow wealthy with no visible means of earning as with politicians in high places.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Who Is George Soros?
    Obama’s largest sponsor and backer

    Here is what (CBS’) Mr. (Steve) Kroft’s research has turned up. Bit of a read, but it took 4 months to put it together.

    “The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States .” George Soros

    “George Soros is an evil man. He’s anti-God, anti-family, anti-American, and anti-good.” He killed and robbed his own Jewish people.

    If George Soros isn’t the world’s preeminent “malignant messianic narcissist,” he’ll do until Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot are reincarnated.

    What we have in Soros, is a multi-billionaire atheist, with skewed moral values, and a sociopath’s lack of conscience. He considers himself to be an elitist world class philosopher, despises the American Way and just loves to do social engineering (change cultures).

    György Schwartz, better known to the world as George Soros, was born August 12, 1930 in Hungary Soros’ father, Tivadar, was a fervent practitioner of the Esperanto a language invented in 1887, and designed to be the first global language, free of any national identity.

    The Schwartz’s, who were non-practicing Jews, changed the family name to Soros, in order to facilitate assimilation into the gentile population, as the Nazis spread into Hungary during the 1930s.

    When Hitler’s henchman Adolf Eichmann arrived in Hungary , to oversee the murder of that country’s Jews, George Soros ended up with a man whose job was confiscating property from the Jewish population. Soros went with him on his rounds.

    Soros has repeatedly called 1944 “the best year of his life.”

    “70% of Mr. Soros’s fellow Jews in Hungary , nearly a half-million human beings, were annihilated in that year, yet he gives no sign that this put any damper on his elation, either at the time or indeed in retrospect.”

    During an interview with Sixty Minutes’ Steve Kroft, Soros was asked about his “best year”:

    KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

    SOROS: Yes. Yes.

    KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from your fellow Jews, friends and neighbors.

    SOROS: Yes. That’s right. Yes.

    KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

    SOROS: Not, not at all. Not at all, I rather enjoyed it.

    KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

    SOROS: No, only feelings of absolute power.

    In his article, Muravchik describes how Soros has admitted to having “carried some rather potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise they might get me in trouble.”

    Be that as it may. After WWII, Soros attended the London School of Economics, where he fell under the thrall of fellow atheist and Hungarian, Karl Popper, one of his professors. Popper was a mentor to Soros until Popper’s death in 1994. Two of Popper’s most influential teachings concerned “the open society,” and Fallibilism.

    Fallibilism is the philosophical doctrine that all claims of knowledge could, in principle, be mistaken. (Then again, I could be wrong about that.)

    The “open society” basically refers to a “test and evaluate” approach to social engineering. Regarding “open society” Roy Childs writes, “Since the Second World War, most of the Western democracies have followed Popper’s advice about piecemeal social engineering and democratic social reform, and it has gotten them into a grand mess.”

    In 1956 Soros moved to New York City , where he worked on Wall Street, and started amassing his fortune. He specialized in hedge funds and currency speculation.

    Soros is absolutely ruthless, amoral, and clever in his business dealings, and quickly made his fortune. By the 1980s he was well on his way to becoming the global powerhouse that he is today.

    In an article Kyle-Anne Shiver wrote for “The American Thinker” she says, “Soros made his first billion in 1992 by shorting the British pound with leveraged billions in financial bets, and became known as the man who broke the Bank of England . He broke it on the backs of hard-working British citizens who immediately saw their homes severely devalued and their life savings cut drastically, almost overnight.”

    In 1994 Soros crowed in “The New Republic ” that “the former Soviet Empire is now called the Soros Empire.” The Russia-gate scandal in 1999, which almost collapsed the Russian economy, was labeled by Rep. Jim Leach, then head of the House Banking Committee, to be “one of the greatest social robberies in human history..” The “Soros Empire” indeed.

    In 1997 Soros almost destroyed the economies of Thailand and Malaysia . At the time, Malaysia ‘s Prime Minister, Mahathir Mohamad, called Soros “a villain, and a moron.” Thai activist Weng Tojirakarn said, “We regard George Soros as a kind of Dracula. He sucks the blood from the people.”

    The website Greek National Pride reports, “[Soros] was part of the full court press that dismantled Yugoslavia and caused trouble in Georgia , Ukraine and Myanmar [ Burma ]. Calling himself a philanthropist, Soros’ role is to tighten the ideological stranglehold of globalization and the New World Order while promoting his own financial gain. He is without conscience; a capitalist who functions with absolute amorality..”

    France has upheld an earlier conviction against Soros, for felony insider trading. Soros was fined 29 million dollars.

    Recently, his native Hungary fined Soros 2.2 million dollars for “illegal market manipulation.” Elizabeth Crum writes that “The Hungarian economy has been in a state of transition as the country seeks to become more financially stable and westernized. [Soros] is deliberately driving down the share price of its largest bank put Hungary’s economy into a wicked tailspin, one from which it is still trying to recover.

    My point here is that Soros is a planetary parasite. His grasp, greed, and gluttony have a global reach.

    But what about America ? Soros told Australia ‘s national newspaper “The Australian” ” America , as the center of the globalized financial markets, was sucking up the savings of the world. This is now over. The game is out,” he said, adding that the time has come for “a very serious adjustment” in American’s consumption habits. He implied that he was the one with the power to bring this about.”

    Soros: “World financial crisis was “stimulating” and “in a way, the culmination of my life’s work.”

    Obama has recently promised 10 billion of our tax dollars to Brazil, in order to give them a leg-up in expanding their offshore oil fields. Obama’s largesse towards Brazil, came shortly after his political financial backer, George Soros, invested heavily in Brazilian oil (Petrobras).

    Tait Trussel writes, “The Petrobras loan may be a windfall for Soros and Brazil , but it is a bad deal for the U.S. The American Petroleum Institute estimates that oil exploration in the U.S. could create 160,000 new, well-paying jobs, as well as $1.7 trillion in revenues to federal, state, and local governments, all while fostering greater energy security and independance.”

    A blog you might want to keep an eye on is SorosWatch..com. Their mission: “This blog is dedicated to all who have suffered due to the ruthless financial pursuits of George Soros. Your stories are many and varied, but the theme is the same: the destructive power of greed without conscience. We pledge to tirelessly watch Soros wherever he goes and to print the truth in the hope that he will one day be made to stop preying upon the world’s poor, that justice will be served.”

    Back to America. Soros has been actively working to destroy America from the inside out for some years now. People have been warning us. Two years ago news sources reported that “Soros [is] an extremist who wants open borders, a one-world foreign policy, legalized drugs, euthanasia, and on and on. This is off-the-chart dangerous.”

    In 1997 Rachel Ehrenfeld wrote, “Soros uses his philanthropy to change or more accurately deconstruct the moral values and attitudes of the Western world, and particularly of the American people. His “open society” is not about freedom; it is about license. His vision rejects the notion of ordered liberty, in favor of a PROGRESSIVE ideology of rights and entitlements.”

    Perhaps the most important of these “whistle blowers” are David Horowitz and Richard Poe. Their book “The Shadow Party” outlines in detail how Soros hijacked the Democratic Party, and now owns it lock, stock, and barrel.

    Soros has been packing the Democratic Party with radicals, and ousting moderate Democrats for years.

    The Shadow Party became the Shadow Government, which became the Obama Administration.

    DiscoverTheNetworks.org (another good source) writes, “By his [Soros'] own admission, he helped engineer coups in Slovakia , Croatia , Georgia , and Yugoslavia . When Soros targets a country for “regime change,” he begins by creating a shadow government , a fully formed government-in-exile, ready to assume power when the opportunity arises. The Shadow Party he has built in America greatly resembles those he has created in other countries prior to instigating a coup.”

    November 2008 edition of the German magazine “Der Spiegel,” in which Soros gives his opinion on what the next POTUS (President of the U.S. ) should do after taking office “I think we need a large stimulus package.” Soros thought that around 600 billion would be about right.

    Soros also said that “I think Obama presents us a great opportunity to finally deal with global warming and energy dependence. The U.S. needs a cap and trade system with auctioning of licenses for emissions rights.”

    Although Soros doesn’t (yet) own the Republican Party, like he does the Democrats, make no mistake, his tentacles are spread throughout the Republican Party as well.

    Soros is a partner in the Carlyle Group where he has invested more than 100 million dollars. According to an article by The Baltimore Chronicle’s Alice Cherbonnier, the Carlye Group is run by “a veritable who’s-who of former Republican leaders,” from CIA man Frank Carlucci, to CIA head [and ex-President] George Bush, Sr.

    In late 2006, Soros bought about 2 million shares of Halliburton, Dick Cheney’s old stomping grounds.

    When the Democrats and Republicans held their conventions in 2000, Soros held Shadow Party conventions in the same cities, at the same time.
    In 2008, Soros donated $5 billion to the Democratic National
    Committee, DNC, to insure Obama’s win and wins for many other Alinsky trained Radical Rules Anti-American Socialist. George has been contributing a $ billion plus to the DNC since Clinton came on the scene.

    Soros has dirtied both sides of the aisle, trust me. And if that weren’t bad enough, he has long held connections with the CIA.

    And I mustn’t forget to mention Soros’ involvement with the MSM (Main Stream Media), the entertainment industry (e.g. he owns 2.6 million shares of Time Warner), and the various political advertising organizations he funnels millions to. In short, George Soros controls or influence most of the MSM. Little wonder they ignore the TEA PARTY, Soros’ NEMESIS.

    As Matthew Vadum writes, “The liberal billionaire-turned-philanthropist has been buying up media properties for years in order to drive home his message to the American public that they are too materialistic, too wasteful, too selfish, and too stupid to decide for themselves how to run their own lives.”

    Richard Poe writes, “Soros’ private philanthropy, totaling nearly $5 billion, continues undermining America ‘s traditional Western values. His giving has provided funding of abortion rights, atheism, drug legalization, sex education, euthanasia, feminism, gun control, globalization, mass immigration, gay marriage and other radical experiments in social engineering.”

    Some of the many NGOs (Non- Government Organizations) that Soros funds with his billions are: MoveOn.org, the Apollo Alliance , Media Matters for America , the Tides Foundation, the ACLU, ACORN, PDIA (Project on Death In America ), La Raza, and many more. For a more complete list, with brief descriptions of the NGOs, go to DiscoverTheNetworks.org.

    Poe continues, “Through his global web of Open Society Institutes and Open Society Foundations, Soros has spent 25 years recruiting, training, indoctrinating and installing a network of loyal operatives in 50 countries, placing them in positions of influence and power in media, government, finance and academia.”

    Without Soros’ money, would the Saul Alinsky’s Chicago machine still be rolling? Would SEIU, ACORN, and La Raza still be pursuing their nefarious activities? Would Big Money and lobbyists still be corrupting government? Would our college campuses still be retirement homes for 1960s radicals?

    America stands at the brink of an abyss, and that fact is directly attributable to Soros. Soros has vigorously, cleverly, and insidiously planned the ruination of America and his puppet, Barak Obama is leading the way.

    The words of Patrick Henry are apropos: “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!”

    These days, Patrick Henry’s sentiment is more than just some quaint hyperbole from long ago. It’s a slow burning, but intense, glow that fires our courage and heart.

    • fatmansplicer

      OBUMAS GOT TO GO!

    • Bruce

      James, Great post!

    • BrotherPatriot

      Mr. Graham,
      Thank you for your post. Very informative and perhaps people in the right key positions will get a chance to read it. Good work.

    • Kinetic1

      I’ll have a lot of research to do, but I’ll have to do it since at least one of your many points has been proven over and over again to be false.

      The Petrobas oil loan was NOT given by President Obama. It is the work of the American Export/Import Bank. They are not overseen by the President and make their loans based on financial principals, not political. The purpose of these loans, the money for which comes from private bank guarantees, is for the purpose of purchasing American goods an Labor. In other words, their job is to see that we get back to work! As for Soros, his company SOLD large amounts of their Petrobas stock BEFORE the loans were approved. So any suggestion that this is a payoff is off the mark.

      I sure hope the rest of these “facts” are from better sources than the Petrobas story.

    • mavis

      James A. Graham,
      Thank you for your writings on George Soros, The first time I heard of this monster I knew that he had to be stopped before he set his demon eyes on America. My prayers have been a plea to God to take away his money
      for that is the only way that anyone will be able to stop him. Without his money he would just be a Godless
      sorry excuse for a man. If it is God’s will, I believe
      without a doubt in my mind that he will wake one morning
      completly broke. To God be the glory.mehpensacola,fl

    • DixieConnie

      Hiliary Clinton is also a supporter of George Soros.

    • Al Sieber

      James A Graham, I alway’s knew Soros pulled Obama’s strings. at first I thought it was Zbiew Breneski for awhile. thanks for the links.

      • eddie47d

        Don’t believe every link you run across.

      • Al Sieber

        eddie47d, I saw the interview on 60 minutes between Soros and Kroft.

      • dan of arizona

        Fast eddie
        dont forget to take your pills

    • Viktor Leben

      This “Soros” dude sure is a downer !

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    What is the most upsetting is the lack of values, morals, and ethics that our representatives have. If we are being lied to all the time, where do we find the truth? We cannot depend on our main stream media. Issues are so distorted that it clouds rational thinking.

    • http://GOOGLE JHSUNBUM

      ROBIN, I DON’T UNDERSTAND; HOW DID WE GET FROM FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO FREEDOM TO HARM THROUGH LIES? DOES THE CONSTITUTION ALSO GUARANTEE US FREEDOM TO TELL LIES? WHY CAN’T THIS BE LIABLE FOR THEM?
      JHSUNBUM

      DAYTONA BEACH

      • Dagney

        Freedom of speech INCLUDES the freedom to lie. Freedom of speech, however, does not make you free from the CONSEQUENCES (whether here on earth or in the next life) of lying. It is a simple as that. You start regulating all the nuances, and you get liberal policies and restrictions on freedoms. That’s when you hear Statists say that the Constitution is a “living and breathing” document. No, it is not a living and breathing document. It’s just too elegant for liberal minds. Or too simple and the Statist want you to be confused as they take away your freedoms.

      • Ted Crawford

        Dagney, You hit the nail on the head when you refered to its elagant simplicity! The Constitution,with only 14 pages, founded a unique form of governance, grew it to a position of prominance, maintained it for 234 years, while also providing for its continued relevance with Artical 5!
        The progressives, in an attempt to destroy it, require 2000+ page bills, just to subvert small sections of it! The progressive mind can not comprehend either simple or elagant, everything with them is hugh, convoluted and very, very ugly!!

      • john crawford

        I still can’t get over them calling themselves “progressives”… they shy away from the term liberal now due to negative conotations …. funny…. but I am not now or ever have been ashamed of the term conservative… go figure.

      • DaveH

        I have noted throughout my life that the less talented people gravitate towards complexity. If they can shroud themselves in a complex solution, it appears to the uneducated outsiders that they must be really intelligent. They aren’t.
        The Kiss principle has never failed me (Keep It
        Simple Stupid).

      • http://GOOGLE JHSUNBUM

        Dagney, Yes freedom of speech may include lies. lets use an example of lying. I go to your wife and tell her you are cheating on her; you are running around with other women. I don’t like you, and want harm you.
        Now, this is a lie to do harm – you may sue me. If I tell a lie about an opponent,in an attempt to get elected,my opponent should be
        allowed to sue me; I did him harm.

      • Dagney

        I believe what you are referring to is called, “libel” in legal terms.

    • http://GOOGLE JHSUNBUM

      ROBIN- I JUST GOT THIS EMAIL —– HE IS THE BIGGEST LIER EVER!!!!

      Watch it before it’s pulled!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded

      JHSUNBUM

      • Dagney

        That is an obvious doctored video.

      • http://GOOGLE JHSUNBUM

        DAGNEY, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT’S DOCTORED? DID YOU CHECK IT OUT? IT COULD BE; I DON’T KNOW. WHAT ARE THE NAMES OF THE SITES WHERE YOU DO THIS? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. I DON’T WANT TO HELP POST LIES. (REPLY PLEASE)
        ALSO I WRITE USING ALL CAPS BECAUSE IT’S EASIER FOR A TWO FINGERED OLD SUNBUM. NOT BECAUSE OF ANGER. I DO THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY.

      • Dagney

        Obama would never admit, on film no less, to having been born outside the United States. You can see how the video cuts away when those damning phrases are spoken and you can tell by the change in the tone of his voice. Very clever editing.

      • Kinetic1

        i assume you are saying that it is a problem to push the shift key when typing with two fingers. better to forget about caps. as long as you use punctuation, everything will read fine. all caps will always read as yelling.

      • vicki

        The same way I know it is doctored. The person who posted the video declared in the comments
        “The video starts out with some content from obamasnippets.com, which, of course is contrived. ”

        So ignore what obama seems to say. Oh and the lip sync was terrible.

        That being said the rest of the video all has points related to the ongoing controversy over where he was born and if he is qualified to be the President.

      • Charlie L.

        To JHSUNBUM:I saw that vid.,and if you think that is bad,drop down a few vid’s on the right and check out the one on Muslim demographics!That one makes you wonder what is going to happen to our children,grandchildren,and great grandchildren.To all who read this check out that YouTube(?)vid.And BHO Things that make yo go hhhhmmmm.

    • http://earthlink.net Fred Townes

      You hit the nail on the head now if we could get then news to open up some eyes and see it even if it takes a sledge hammer.!!!!

      John McCain is as two faced as they come just a few years ago he was for letting in the illigals oh but now it bad.

      I have always been a one party voter now I’m going to try the tea no way it coud be worse than what has gone on the last 20 years.
      We all need to take some of the blame for voting in the greedy SOB’s

      • http://GOOGLE JHSUNBUM

        Fred, Just be sure to vote for the elephants this time around after we get all the jackasses out than we kick out the others.

      • DaveH

        It won’t work. I heard the same advice after so many people were sick of Jimmy Carter. And here we are.
        There is only one way out of this. The people who want freedom must stop wasting their votes on politicians who don’t understand freedom. I don’t care if they are the lesser of two evils, they are still evil, and they will still take this country in the wrong direction.
        There is a party that thinks very much like our Founders did. We advocate Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, and Limited Government. And we must stop excusing the Government from basic Morality. Thou shalt not Steal! Thou shalt not Kill! Nowhere in those Ten Commandments does it say that Government is exempt.

        If you can find Republicans who truly will take us in that direction, vote for them. I doubt you can, so why waste any more time on Republicans? Vote Libertarian!

      • http://GOOGLE JHSUNBUM

        Yes Dave, You’re right; I once voted for some little guy with big ears a few years back he ran as an independent. I along with many,others, wasted our vote. the jackass won. We had 8 more years of lies.
        The only way to beat them is one at a time. Get rid of the jackasses than work on the elephants.

  • http://msn Joe Melton

    So whats new! It almost to late to stop this as the big money is behind them and people watches a ad about some bum who is trying to get reelected and say look at what all he or she has done and don’t look at their record and see what they have realy done. Just take a look at Az. and see how far McCain has pull out in front of J. D. Hayworth. Before McCail started running all his lies on T.V. they were neck to neck. McCail has spent over $10,000,000 to J. D. Hayworth $1,200,000. That should tell you who is backing McCain.

    • Al Sieber

      Yeah, I know, it doesn’t look good. we get the Govt. we deserve.

      • DaveH

        For sure, and the Republicans have earned their lack of respect.
        For those that want the most principled features of both major Parties (yes, there are some principled Democrats), you need look no further:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    • Viktor Leben

      Just wait until the new congress passes immigration reform……

      They will grant all the illegal immigrants political asylum because of Mexico’s corrupt government/drug trade….

      Guess which state is going to get screwed by the Republicans/Democrats as being “racist” ?

  • http://GOOGLE JHSUNBUM

    I AM RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT

    THIS IS MY PLATFORM

    1 BRING ALL OUR TROOPS HOME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD THIS WILL SAVE US BILLIONS EACH YEAR. IF THESE OTHER COUNTRIES NEED PROTECTION – LET THEM PAY FOR IT. WE CAN RENT THEM A VOLUNTEER ARMY; IF IT WANTS TO GO! IT WOULD BE RUN BY OUR OFFICERS, WITH NO INTERFERENCE, FROM OUR POLITICIANS; THIS WAY THEY HAVE A CHANCE OF WINNING. IT WILL NOT BE CHEEP !!!!

    2 SOME OF THE TROOPS THAT RETURN WILL BE PUT ON OUR BOARDERS
    THIS WILL NOT COST US ONE RED CENT. WE ARE PAYING THESE SAME GUYS TO WATCH THE BOARDERS IN EUROPE, AND THE REST OF THE WORLD. LET THEM WATCH THEIR OWN COUNTRIES, REMEMBER; THEY DON’T LIKE US.

    3 I WILL STOP ALL FOREIGN AID. THESE COUNTRIES DON’T LIKE US, RIGHT! THE DEMOCRATS CLAIM, THESE COUNTRIES HATE US, BUT, LOVE OBAMA; LETS SEND HIM! THIS WILL SOLVE SEVERAL PROBLEMS; (OBAMA FOR ONE) IT WILL SAVE 100′S OF BILLIONS, HELP PAY OFF QBAMAS DEBT WITH CHINA, WITHOUT NEW TAXES, HELP SAVE THE ECONOMY, GET RID OF OBAMA, AND MAKE EUROPE HAPPY. ALL THIS
    IN ONE FULL SWEEP – OR IS IT FELL SWOOP?

    4 THE ECONOMY ? WHAT A MESS !! THE ONLY WAY WE CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM IS FOR ALL US AMERICANS TO GET OFF OUR LAZY BUTS; AND GET TO WORK. THIS INCLUDES ALL THESE( COMMIE SOCIALIST) WHO THINK THE GOV. SHOULD TAKE CARE US. (WHAT A BUNCH OF DUMB LAZY PEOPLE) LETS DO AWAY WITH THE UNIONS AND SET UP A NEW & FAIR SYSTEM . A SYSTEM THAT IS FAIR TO ALL., OWNERS, WORKERS, STOCK HOLDERS, & ANYTHING INVOLVED WITH THE COMPANY; INCLUDING EXPANSION OF THE COMPANY ITSELF. I BELIEVE A SYSTEM BASED ON PERCENTAGES COULD BE ARRANGED THAT WOULD FAIR TO ALL, WITH NO CROOKED UNION OR DUES INVOLVED. THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF THOUGHT BY A GREAT MANY SMART HONEST PEOPLE; THIS MEANS NO GOVERNMENT OR POLITICIANS INVOLVED. CONTACTS WOULD BE DRAWN UP BY ALL THOSE INVOLVED. IF THE CONTRACT IS NOT FAIR TO ALL, I GUARANTEE; THE COMPANY WILL HAVE TROUBLE. GREED WILL DESTROY IT. REMEMBER – ONLY A CONTRACT, FAIR TO ALL INVOLVED, IS A GOOD CONTRACT. AFTER A FAIR CAPITALIST SYSTEM IS SET UP, AND EVERY ONE IS GETTING A GOOD BITE OF THE APPLE; WE CAN BRING MANUFACTURING BACK TO THIS COUNTRY. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THE U S A CAN RETURN TO A STRONG INDEPENDENT WORLD POWER.

    IT’S BAFFLING!! PEOPLE WILL SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO GET A JOB THAT ONLY PAYS $170,000. PER YEAR. THEY CLAIM THEY DO IT BECAUSE
    ” I WANT TO DO MY CIVIC DUTY ” – OR ” I CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE” HELL WE CAN GO ON & ON’, IT’S ALL BULL.
    YOU WANT TO SEE A CHANGE

    5 TERM LIMITS

    JUST THE TWO LITTLE WORDS – WILL TURN THEM GREEN – MAKE THEM SICK – MAKE THEM NOT RUN FOR OFFICE. HEE HEE.
    POWER IS WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE AFTER, NOT ALL THAT OTHER BULL. JUST WATCH ALL THESE, CIVIC MINDED POLITICIANS, NOT RUN!
    YOU CAN NOT ACCUMULATE POWER IN JUST 4 YEARS OR EVEN 8. TERM LIMITS WILL STOP THEM FROM RUNNING, & STOP THE BIG SPENDERS . THAT IS ONLY THE FIRST STEP; AFTER THEY SERVE ONE OR TWO TERMS – I DON’T KNOW, DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO RETIRE ON $160,000.00 PER YEAR FOR LIFE ?

    THE SAME SOC SEC THEY STOLE FROM US WHILE IN OFFICE; PAYS US AN AMOUNT THAT IS BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL; AND WE PAID INTO IT.

    6 I WILL TAKE ALL THIS AWAY FROM THEM; THE HIGH SALARY,THE PENSION, BIG EXPENSE ACCOUNT,TRAVEL EXPENSE – TO & FROM WORK ( WE, THE PEOPLE, THEY WORK FOR, DON’T GET THESE THINGS; WHY SHOULD THEY) ?

    7 I WILL SIGN NO BILL WITH PORK ATTACHED NONE

    8 I WILL HAVE A CONGRESS AND SENATE THAT WILL PASS NO LAWS, UNLESS THEY ADHERE TO THE CONSTITUTION; THE ONE THEY HATE. I MAY NEED A SPECIAL VETO PEN THAT WILL LAST UNTIL WE GET A CONGRESS THAT CAN DO ALL THIS, BUT; YOU CAN TAKE IT OUT OF MY SALARY,

    9 $100,000. PER YEAR !! THAT IS $85,924.00 MORE, THAN I NOW GET, ON SOC. SEC.. MAN!! I’LL LIVE LIKE A KING !! THAT IS 300,000 LESS THAN COMMIE OBAMMIES SALARY NOW.

    YOU KNOW WHAT THE RESPONSE TO ALL THIS WILL BE. IF WE DO THIS, WE WILL END UP WITH A BUNCH OF, DUMB NO NOTHING, LEADERS . YEP, WHO GOT US HERE ?
    I THINK AFTER WE GET RID OF THE CROOKS AND LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD. THE SMARTEST AND BEST OF US WILL RISE TO THE TOP. THAN WE MUST WATCH OUT FOR GREED, BECAUSE; IT WILL ALWAYS FOLLOW.

    LETS SEE NOW – YA THINK I’M STARTING TO HIGH ? I SHOULD START A LITTLE LOWER – SENATE , CONGRESS , DOG CATCHER , LET ME KNOW ??
    REMEMBER – I AIN’T THE DUMMY WHO GOT US IN THIS SPOT. IT WAS THE THE GREEDY POLITICIANS ALREADY IN WASHINGTON.

    WAIT, I KNOW, I’LL BE A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER; THAT WAY I’LL HAVE ALL THE EXPERIENCE AND KNOW HOW REQUITED.
    I UNDERSTAND A BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS NOT REQUIRED. DO YOU NEED A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION ? I REMEMBER A PRESIDENT THAT NEVER WENT TO COLLEGE,
    BUT; HE WAS A DEMOCRAT. I NEVER MADE IT THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL HOWEVER; I DID START WORKING AT 14 AND – I DID OWN 3 SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSES. DO YOU THINK THE DEMOCRATS IN OFFICE WILL HOLD THIS AGAINST ME ?

    JHSUNBUM
    DAYTONA BEACH FL.

    • fatmansplicer

      you got my vote

      • http://GOOGLE JHSUNBUM

        THANKS FATMAN – THATS 2

      • David

        I’ll vote for you too. Your ideas are all sound to me. To tell you the truth, your ideas are probably sound with 85% of the country if they never get to see or hear you, just vote on the principles stated. Hmmmm, interesting idea….

      • Another Donald

        Hey sunbum you got 3 votes. Who’ll make it four.

      • Viktor Leben

        I just read your platform ….

        WHAT’S IN IT FOR ME ?

        I’ll sell my vote for $5000.00 ! OK ? make it in unmarked $20 bills …..

        Or how about a Federal Job for good ol’ Viktor ?

    • Dagney

      I didn’t read all your diatribe….(too much YELLING). Did you say anywhere to cut taxes? Did you say anywhere in your campaign speech there about a return to the Constitution (all your answers are right there)? Did you say anywhere about limiting government (that’s in the Constitution, too. The Constitution that has been ignored for over 100 years)? Yes, term limits for the Senate and House is a good one. I believe that would require a Constitutional Amendment. I could be wrong, though.

      • http://GOOGLE JHSUNBUM

        DADNEY, HAD YOU READ THE REST OF MY WHAT YOU CALL DIATRIBE YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN SOMETHING ABOUT NOT RAISING TAXES, ALONG WITH OTHER THINGS. ALSO, I TYPE USING ALL CAPS BECAUSE I AM NO TYPIST AND TO OLD TO LEARN. I AM NOT ANGRY IT IS JUST EASER FOR ME. IF IT UPSETS YOU I WILL TRY THE RIGHT WAY. I TOO THINK IT WOULD REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE TERM LIMITS. THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT.

      • DaveH

        Just use all lowercase, JH. That’s as simple as all uppercase.

    • FedupinNC

      You have my vote!!! One thing, where do you stand on immigration? If someone would stand up there and say the things you did (plus any illegals get out of the country! NOW! ) I would vote for him. This is exactly who the country needs and then to do what he actually said he would (unlike Obummer)!!

    • Carla

      YOU HAVE MY VOTE FOR SURE!!

    • donna73

      you got my “legal” vote

    • dan of arizona

      YOU GOT MY VOTE

    • American Citizen

      Sounds good to me. Run.

    • MichelleO

      YOU HAVE MY VOTE TOO

    • http://Yahoo Grandmawisdom

      Another vote from someone who has been “earning” since I was 6 years old!! All money earned went to Mama!! These jobs included mowing lawns, shoveling snow, doing favors for neighbors, until I was 16, and because I maintained good grades, was allowed to have all classes in the morning, and an afterschool job till 7 or 8!! Again, Mama got the largest part of each paycheck. The rest went into the bank savings, as I wanted to be a nurse. That never became a reality, as I had advanced by that time to a very good job at the Naval Base. I did learn, however, that “helping family” and doing for others was a personal responsibility for all!!! Not the job of the Government!! You indeed will get my vote my friend!! Good luck!!

      • http://GOOGLE JHSUNBUM

        Great handle “GRANDMAWISDOM” : Do you find the older you get the dumber you get, but; the wiser you become?? Thanks for your vote. jhsunbum

    • Leon

      You’re a libertarian, aren’t you?
      Good, we need more of them running.
      You have my vote.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Two wars, exactly; and that was just the start with the bailout for Wall Street following that. There seems to be a pattern recently where the Republican party runs up huge deficits (which President Cheney said was no problem) and the Democrats come in, raise taxes to cover the deficit and create a surplus. Go figure. Certainly, President Obama was precommited by President Bush to continue on the bailout path which increased the current deficit even more.

    • john

      okay eddie, get off your imaginary high horse okay? Guess who’s been in charge since 2006? DEMOCRATS… congress is the only entity authorized by the constitution to spend money. All the president has is a pen. Please learn how government runs before you spew your liberal talking points okay? And yes, that IS how democrats relieve runaway spending….to spend more…. LOTS MORE… geez…

      • Bill Investor

        Very true.

        Example: Bill Clinton reported budget surplus in his last budget, but that’s because republicans then had majority and they reduced wasteful spending.

        Republicans in general are financial conservatives and more free-market believers than Democrats, who already have plenty of in their socialist agenda. I don’t understand why Democrats believe that something (socialist economy) always failed everywhere in the world will be successful here in USA.

        Regulations are a big weapon for the Democrats. Is it practically possible to read, understand and remember 100000 pages of financial regulation code in order to operate a bank? I don’t think so. Here you go (Democratic strategy), tell banks to do something. If they refuse, wait for next recession and then get rid of them on name of failure to meet regulatory requirements.

        So many banks failed in the recent month, is it because they are not able to make payment or they said they are not able to operate? Nap, FDIC toppled them because they failed to meet “regulatory requirements”.

    • vicki

      Darn there they go blaming Republicans (some of which desereve it but we call them RINO’s) for the actions of the Democrat controlled congress.

  • Only in America

    Yeah, If we don’t pay taxes we can be bankrupt quicker.

    Two wars weren’t for free.

    • donald

      WRONG “ONLY IN AMERICA”…ANYONE WITH KNOWLEDGE OF ECONOMICS KNOWS THAT REVENUES TO THE GOVERNMENT INCREASE WHEN YOU LOWER TAXES NOT RAISE THEM. THIS PHILOSOPHY OF RAISING TAXES ON THE “RICH” TO REDISTRIBUTE INCOME AND PAY FOR GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS WILL NOT AND NEVER HAS WORKED. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES!

      • Kinetic1

        Explain that to Reagan. He is often touted by the right for his amazing economic skills. “He cut taxes and tax revenues increased by leaps and bounds!” No, they didn’t. In fact, the “economic recovery tax act of 1981″ decreased tax revenues by an average of over 4% during his first term. That’s why he enacted tax increases in his second term. You may recall that the deficit grew from $700 billion to $3 trillion under his watch. Also, the Alternative tax that you are all so upset about, that was Reagan’s baby as well. It was during his term that the AMT was adjusted to impact the middle class more than the wealthy. And just as an aside for all you Obama critics, Reagan’s first term saw us in recession for over two years.

        The Laffer curve has been grossly abused by the right to suggest that tax cuts are the answer. Few will admit that the curve supports the idea that too small a tax rate is just as bad as too large. As it is only a theory, no one knows what the optimal tax rate is (with regards to tax revenues), but it seems clear that the current crop of Republicans and “fiscal conservatives” are ready and willing to see us go down the drain as part of the experiment.

      • Cameron

        Tax cuts work best when there are corresponding spending cuts as well. Liberal Democrats never saw a dollar they didn’t want to spend or charge in the absence of hard cash. Ben Franklin told us to “Mind your pennies & your dollars will take care of themselves”, but Washington politicians have the attitude “A million here & a million there & pretty soon you’re talking about some REAL money!” This country was founded as a REPUBLIC with a DEMOCRATIC form of government, but now we’ve got entirely too many SOCIALISTS

      • RNews

        “Liberal Democrats never saw a dollar they didn’t want to spend or charge in the absence of hard cash.”

        Bull.

      • Kinetic1

        Again, tell it to Reagan. His tax cuts were coupled with meager social spending cuts and a HUGE increase in military spending.

        I am amazed at the indignation of people who complain about the uppermost tax rate. All these people can not be in the top bracket, yet they continue to insist that the current rate is unfair. Well it was 70% when Reagan cam into office and he dropped it to 50%. He later dropped it to 28%. So how did that go? Debt grew from 32.5% of GDP in 1980 to 53.1% at the end of 1988! It increased to 66.1% under Bush 1 and continued to rise until Clinton’s second term when it dropped to 56.4%. Under Bush 2, his amazing tax cuts and his Republican controlled house and Senate, the rate grew to 83.4%! The top income tax rate during the Clinton years, 39%. Yes, we are going back to the Clinton tax rates. It took Clinton several years to get the economy back on track, and it was no where near as bad as what Obama has inherited. Let’s just hope that we get the same kind of results this time around.

      • vicki

        The Reagan tax cuts
        Thanks to “bracket creep,” the inflation of the 1970s pushed millions of taxpayers into higher tax brackets even though their inflation-adjusted incomes were not rising. To help offset this tax increase and also to improve incentives to work, save, and invest, President Reagan proposed sweeping tax rate reductions during the 1980s. What happened? Total tax revenues climbed by 99.4 percent during the 1980s, and the results are even more impressive when looking at what happened to personal income tax revenues. Once the economy received an unambiguous tax cut in January 1983, income tax revenues climbed dramatically, increasing by more than 54 percent by 1989 (28 percent after adjusting for inflation).
        http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2003/08/The-Historical-Lessons-of-Lower-Tax-Rates

        Just shining the light of facts on liberal lies. :)

      • Kinetic1

        Cameron,
        Great notes, but they only show that Reagan’s tax cuts may have increased revenues. They say nothing about the fact that the deficit increased drastically under Reagan. As to the INCREDIBLE return on the tax cut, real revenue was on the increase during the Carter years as well. In fact, the increase was about the same for both periods when you take into account the drop caused by the ’79 recession (Carter) and the initial drop caused by the tax cuts (Reagan). As for the success of the tax cuts, the results were less than Reagan projected and failed to pay for the cost of the cut. No, the Heritage foundation did not mention that aspect, but neither did they mention that the Kennedy cuts on the top bracket were accompanied by the closing of loop holes used by the rich to reduce their tax debt. And again, the Laffer curve, the basis for the Reagan tax cuts theorizes that there is a prime point at which tax rate and responding revenue will peak. Too high and people have no incentive, too low and there isn’t enough being produced to bring in the necessary revenue. A simple enough idea, if only there was an answer. I can tell you this though, the Republican idea that taxes can never be too low is not it.

      • Vicki

        Last time I checked it was Congress and not the President that passes the budget which causes the deficit to expand or not. The Democrats were in charge the entire time Reagan was President. That makes them the source.

      • http://TheGovernment'sTaxFraud Tea Party-NOW!

        We can solve all the tax “crap” by enacting a permanent “Flat Tax”. This will assure that, “ALL” people and business, will pay the same amount of taxes, because you pay the taxes on consumption. This means, a set tax amount of, say 17%, be paid when you purchase a bottle of milk or you puchase a jet airplane. This will create enough monies to take care of all the needs of government.

        Next thing to do is that we enact “Term Limits”. This will assure that we have people in the Congrss and Senate that have fresh and viable ideas to advance this country. It will also assure the ‘American” people that no one person has the time to aquire vested power over time.

        Let’s be real, Senator “Byrd” passed away just recently, but had been in the Senate for his “lifetime”. He had to have help just to stand to vote. Let’s look at this for what it is. This man was voting on legislation, that will forever change our country, and had to have physical help just to reach the podeium to place his vote?

        WE NEED “TERM LIMITS” !!!

        I love “America” and we as “American Persons”, need to correct this wrong by doing this the way our “founders” intended us to. “VOTE”!!

      • Kinetic1

        A flat tax is one thing, but depending on a consumption tax places a large burden on those who earn the least. Lets say we all spend $6,000 a year on food. That’s 30% of the income of a person making $20,000 a year, but only 10% of income for those making $60,000. Now consider the percentage of the population with incomes below $20,000, many of them elderly people who no longer work and have to get by on less than $20,000. You think things are tough for them now, just wait.

        Consumption tax is very popular among the wealthy and it’s easy to see why. You can save a lot by choosing to put off that New Mercedes for another year, but it’s hard for the poor to put off eating.

      • Big Ned

        For those who say a flat tax will burden those with low incomes at $20,000 per year. How do you think they pay for food now. An idiot knows they get”public assistance” paid for by the “rich” paying the flat tax. So the “rich” pay the tax twice. Idiot

      • Kinetic1

        Big Ned,
        Many on this site who recommend a consumables tax also want to do away with social programs. Personally I’d like to see more people lifted up so that they no longer need these programs. IF we go to a flat tax we would also need to do away with the deductions that allow the richest Americans to get away with an effective tax rate of 15% while our household pays well over 20%, but will those in power (ie the wealthy) ever go for that? The talking heads that keep pushing for lower taxes on the wealthy and corporate America are among those who would reap the profits. Why does anyone listen to them?

        I see the reasoning behind a progressive tax rate, you don’t. So you and I disagree on what system would be best, no problem. Note that I can disagree without insulting you. I can’t tell you how much it reduces the power of your statements when you resort to name calling as a way to make your point.

      • vicki

        So how come are liberals not against a sales tax? It is a flat (currently around 9%) tax on all things purchased.

      • Kinetic1

        In truth, most of us are to one degree or another. Some sales tax is fine, but to depend on a Federal sales tax as opposed to income tax, that’s something we have been against for some time.

      • dan of arizona

        tell me when you have the federal reserve printing 13 trillion dollars and giving it to the imf with out the congressional approval or over site and no acountability to anyone but just adds it to the taxpayer burden, how is it that this is not raising taxes with out representation

      • Leon

        Yes but in case you forgot, the only reason for the deficits were the spending on defense.
        And in case you don’t remember, it was in the middle of the COLD WAR, bound to be bigger by the way Truman sort of turned over to Stalin and called him a nice guy.
        The cold war was not cause by the Republicans, rather by the Democrats who built up problems by rolling over to the socialists and communists.

      • lecco

        i understand that we spend more on cosmetics and entertainment,
        restrict our soldiers from doing their job,
        and explore the idea of hope and change with randomness against the will of the people
        talk about cost- the war is very small in comparison
        no one is required to have an education to be able to see this

      • DaveH

        So, Kinetic, we’re supposed to place faith in the words of a person that doesn’t even know the difference between Federal Spending, Deficits, and the National Debt?
        From Kinetic:
        “You may recall that the deficit grew from $700 billion to $3 trillion under his watch”.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

        And how does the spending, during Reagan’s administration, make it Okay for Obama to Spend us into a hole?

      • Kinetic1

        It doesn’t and I’m not defending it. My response was to the statement
        “Tax cuts work best when there are corresponding spending cuts as well. Liberal Democrats never saw a dollar they didn’t want to spend or charge in the absence of hard cash.”
        Once again, the claim is that “Liberal Democrats” don’t get it, that we just want to spend and spend. Well, Reagan cut taxes to spur on the economy, and most conservatives hold him up as a beacon for all to see the glory of tax cuts. What is never mentioned is that he also borrowed like no one before, leaving us with a massive deficit. You can’t claim that the tax cuts worked if you had to borrow to sustain the nation, but that’s what we’re sold every time tax cuts come up! At the time we were told not to worry about it. The argument from the Republicans was that the deficit was not real. This wasn’t actual money, and in the end the increased revenue from the tax cuts would wash it all away. NEWS FLASH! It didn’t. Fast forward to G.W. Bush and his coupling of tax cuts with “emergency” military spending, “emergency” bank bailouts and suddenly the Reagan deficit looks like small potatoes. You can’t cut taxes and borrow to keep the country afloat.

        Should President Obama just keep on spending? It depends. If there’s a jobs bill that will put Americans back to work while rebuilding the infrastructure, that might be a good move. The work needs to be done, private business could be bolstered, workers can keep their homes and tax revenues would go up. Pouring billions more into a war we should never have started, forget it. Pull out and stop giving money to bloated defense contractors and corrupt foreign officials. Health care reform, banking reform, both could have been of value, but it’s worthless if you are going to let the Republicans talk you into a watered down piece of legislation that fails to do what needs to be done.

        So what do we have for all we have spent. A big share of GM, which may pay off in the long run. The big banks are paying back their loans, but they don’t seem to have learned their lessons. I’d like to see stronger reform, but it doesn’t seem like the Republicans are going to support it. We still have two war fronts, but if we pull out Obama is weak on defense and if we stay he is throwing away our money. With the newly released documents and evidence that the Bush administration threw billions away even when they knew there was no purpose, I think Obama may be able to admit that he went along but it’s time to cut this one loose. We also have a huge deficit built on the back of Bush’s failure and a congress that just can’t seem to stand together for the good of our country, and a growing number of people more interested in demanding a birth certificate then demanding our government work together. It’s not the change I had hoped for, and I know we could have better, but I sure don’t want to go back to where Bush was leading us.

      • DaveH

        So Reagan increased the National Debt $2.5 Trillion in 8 years? It has taken Obama 19 months to perform that feat. Obama makes Reagan look like a piker.

        Of course, Congress is the real culprit, all the Presidents can do is veto their bills. And Reagan Vetoed more Bills than any other President in the last 60 years. Obama has vetoed 0 Bills. Zip. Nadda.

        It is Government in general that is the problem, whether it is run by Democrats or Republicans. We have too much Government draining our financial and material resources. Eventually, people will have to face that fact. It’s just too bad we can’t get to that realization earlier before all the damage has been done.

      • Viktor Leben

        Kinetic1,

        There is a mistake in your reasoning. Before President Reagan took office, we were losing the Cold War. The Soviet Union had military superiority over the USA until about 1984. We didn’t achieve military superiority until about 1988 or 1989 .

        The Democrats in Congress did not lessen social spending. They held the military budget hostage. If Reagan didn’t negotiate further increases in social spending for the Democrats, then he would not have gotten the increases needed in military spending.

        Their were various bills passed to balance the budget ( after 1986 ?) but the Democratic dominated legislative branch increased social spending. We didn’t have a balance budget until the Republicans took over the House under Gingrich and restrained Bill Clinton’s (during this Pax Americana won by Reagan … ) spending.

        Your reasoning doesn’t fit today’s scenario. Cutting taxes helped pull our economy out of a major recession. We built up our military and won the Cold War (WW3).

      • lecco

        apparently you seem to forget why the republican party was formed in the first place
        I don’t have to tell it to a dead man who had many wise people around him which is not the case with this administration. No amount of money can help us under a socialist progressive mindset. what we have now is pigs with lipstick spending millions of our tax dollars flying around their animals and having parties and making it all legal. I’m sure if you search deep enough you will find that taxes have become the modern day form of slavery such as the democratic control states during and before the civil war. The very people in charge are the ones who created our economic situation of today. in a real court these guys would all be found guilty with every intention. it all ties together create an idea to sell to the people and push and push and push until it becomes reality. God is not the author of confusion so who is? where is equal justice? not social justice which rewards the underserved.
        as ling as there a defense for injustice, ignorance will rule. this administration has become lawless to our capitalist market.
        Taxation without representation can only be defended so long before the people react.
        my question to you is how many poor people are hiring?
        do you understand the idea of trickle up poverty?
        Washington does and Rome proved it.

      • Dave

        That’s a load of crap that has been proven wrong for years. Lowering taxes does directly corelate to better economy. If it did how would get a deficit from a surplus after tax cuts? Also, if we’re saying that the governemnt has been perpetrating this scam for generations then how is it the Democrats fault and especially Obama. Democrats haven’t controlled everything forever and are not the root of all evil as much as you people would like to think they are.

      • Conservative in Leftland

        No, not all democrats are evil, just the communist in the White House. His motto, “Spreading The Wealth”, is a Marxist idea taken directly from the Communist Manifesto. All of his cohorts, or “czars” are known marxists and some are on the FBI list as persons of interest, for years now. Read more, Dave. It may enlighten you.

      • DaveH

        Not all Democrats are evil, just most of them.

      • lecco

        thank you leftland

      • http://ken.robbie@yahoo.com Kenneth Murray

        Yes they are responsible for the mess we are in today!—

      • BigBadJohn

        Republicans controlled the senate and congress from 1994 to 2006, 12 years, and ALL THREE branches of government from 2000 – 2006.

        How is mess the democrats fault???

      • eddie47d

        Republicans will spin it 20 ways from Sunday If it’s out there it has to be Obamas fault. Some of our problems have been festering for decades and it all gets dumped in Obamas lap. Some tax cuts do more harm than good and favor certain people over others . The same can be said about tax increases.It would be nice to find a politician who explains the necessities of taxes AND the harm that too much taxes can do. Instead we are stuck with No tax people or spend,spend,spend people.

      • del

        Bigbadjon, first let me just lol at your title then let me encourage you to research a little bit more

      • DaveH

        How do you Liberals always manage to spin it as a Republican/Democrat thing? The Government Spending is the problem. I don’t care which party does it.

      • Kinetic1

        Simple, the conservatives blame the spending on the Democrats. Your right, they all do it. There is waste and greed on both sides, but the blame is laid at the Democrats door. Reagan increased the deficit by record amounts; it was the Dems in congress. Clinton turned the deficit into a surplus; it was the Republican congress. Bush ruined the economy; everything was great until the Dems won a majority. Democrats defend themselves because we know that we will be blamed.

        We may disagree on what spending was wasteful and what was worthwhile, but we all agree that there has to be a limit to both taxes and spending. Let’s hope they find the right balance soon.

      • Viktor Leben

        Kinetic1,

        I have to disagree with you. In the case of Bush 2 presidency and the Republican Congress it was a similar situation as Reagans – similar in some respects but not exactly the same. In order for the Republicans to retain control of Congress, they had to increase social spending to “buy” the votes of the Democratic majority. The Republicans had to buy these votes in order to fund the military especially for the Iraq/Afghanistan wars…. So when Joe Democrat Voter went to the ballot box – he got his payoff…..

        Also forward deploying NATO into former Soviet satellite nations cost $$$.

        The Democrats , who are now in power, CAN NOT DECIDE on a cohesive policy. They ran on a “PEACE” platform and promised a quick cut back in military spending !!! The TROOPS ARE STILL DEPLOYED.

        Obama promised an end to “PAX AMERICANA” to be replaced with other nations taking RESPONSIBILITY for their own defense. That’s one reason he won the Nobel Peace Prize. A Promised end to American MILITARY Hegemony……. THIS DIDN”T HAPPEN .. Why ?

        They (the Democrats) wanted the Presidency and Congress, BUT NOW REALIZE GETTING WHAT YOU WANT is not always WANTING WHAT YOU GET…….

        The Democrats are waging the war in IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN and have not brought the troops home…..
        You can’t blame the Republicans for military spending. Forward deployment of our military, in former Soviet satellite nations…..is still happening !!!!!

        The Republicans in Congress are no longer held hostage. The best strategy for the Republican Party is to lose the next election and show the Democrats will continue breaking their promises concerning military spending, and bringing the troops home. The NEOCONS military policy was also help captive by the banks bailout. It isn’t anymore because the Democrats (and Wall Street) are in power….

        Right

      • vicki

        Projected surplus != surplus.

        ( != means not equal to )

      • del

        Dave why don’t you look up who has been in the house and senate the most over the last forty or fifty years.

      • DaveH
      • Another Donald

        I’d like to smell the roses but the stench of liberalism was to overwhelming. Maybe a national strike will set them straight as to who runs this country. This january 20th would be a good time to strike. Where will they get the money to run a corrupt government if nobody works for say a week as a first warning.It got rid of communism in Poland. Maybe it works for socialism to.

      • DaveH

        Donald,
        They will just print more money and tax us the hidden way.

    • Jonathan

      After scrolling through and reading all of the replys – it goes to show that our leaders are only human and looking out for themselves The Elite – look at the replys – progressives against conservatives. Its amazing how we only have two elected political view points for a country with 300 million different people. It is also amazing that everbody agrees to disagree which gets us no where – I can see where Kinetics who believes in socialism and wants government in every aspect of his life can agree with what is happening today – What scares me is when he realizes that his freedoms are gone it will be to late or he wont care. Kinetics I respect your view point but I have to disagree and hope that when you wake up it is not to late

      I have to say that a limited Government is what we need to get back to Stability. this country was founded a little over 200 years ago and is steadily turning into everything that the founders fought to FREE themselves of – We need to work to provide a Government for our youth that understands hard work and the value of a dollar or even a penny.

      I believe in helping mankind and people who need to get back on there feet or who are sick, but handouts do not help any one – Handouts keep people exactly where they are – needing that next hand out. I dont mind paying taxes for Good causes but not all of the taxes are good causes – Why does the Government own GM please let me know

      I have listened to many opinions here and else where and I am terrified not of Progressives and not of Conservatives but of our Both (BIG BROTHER) – this country is for the people not for control of the people – we live in the greatest country in the world under God because this is how we built it no kings or Queens – Hard Work and dedication yes we have made mistakes along the way but I feel we are constantly learning and overcoming them.

      Lets begin by cutting taxes for small business and getting people back to work – lets implement plans to help a man or woman who wants to work not who wants the hand outs – Big business gets the bail outs lets focus on the Engine of this country – If people are working – people are spending money – an actual dollar with value behind it. If people are spending money our economy is turning – the more money that is being spent responsibly – The economy will continue to improve

      I do care about the past but dont want to argue about what Reagon did or Obama inherited – nobody inherits anything in this government they put themselves out there and and say vote for me, vote for change. Then they get there and all of there problems seemed to have magically appeared – we all know Bush made mistakes. But we cannt keep letting him be the fall guy for this government not acting – Bush opened the door for Obamas massive spending but I guess that is Bushs fault to

      I believe we need to learn from the past not debate it – learn from where we have been LEARN and move on. As long as the Greedy are in control We (YOU AND I) will never get anywhere except more in debt paying more taxes – As we head into our Socialist Society – I want to share with you the simple phrase I read on a bumber sticker.

      Dont spread my wealth Spread my work ethic

      This is as true as it gets for me a mid westerner who has seen how hard work, dedication and simple living can get you to a comfort zone of wealth – I havent been given anything, Ive always worked for it and I have a hard time losing more and more of my blood and aweat
      I didnt sign up for higher taxes I did sign up for a lifetime of Freedom

      Lets get this country back to work and to a point of sustainability so Future Americans can share in the same things that we did

      FREEDOM

      • David

        Amen Jonathan. Freedom via less federal government, and more local and state responsibility. That’s what the American people want. Take a look at GOOOH.com, mix that with the Tea Party, once regular Americans are in the House, we can push the FairTax, term limits, balanced budget amendment, secure the borders, and a multitude of other concerns Americans have. Get those kind of things in place and socialism will be a non-issue. The cost of government will be exposed by the FairTax, and people will demand for reduction in size over time…I can’t wait for kickoff time!
        Semper Fi

      • DaveH

        Maybe, Maybe not. Another point of view:
        http://mises.org/daily/1814

        And with term limits we will hobble the reward system for doing a good job. We will have lame duck politicians every other term (if a two-term limit). Imagine how the current crop of arrogant congressmen would behave if they knew this was their last term. There would be nothing to deter them.

        And Balanced Budget amendments are just window-dressing. They don’t mean a thing, because the Democrats’ version of balancing is to raise taxes.

        It’s the Spending that is the problem.

        There really is no substitute for electing people who promise to cut the Government Spending.

        Vote for the only political party that understands Freedom and stands for Limited Government. Vote Libertarian:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • Kinetic1

        Jonathan,
        Read deeper and you’ll see that I am not for socialism in every aspect of government. Do I believe that the health and welfare of our citizenry is a valuable asset? You bet! And I would rather spend my tax dollars insuring that we all receive at least a basic level of preventative care then to fill the pockets of the insurance industry. Not just because it is nice to help people, but because it is economically advantages for the country to be healthy. Really, what are we paying the insurance companies for? It’s legalized gambling.

        Do I want the government to own car companies and Banks? No. Should our government protect us from corporations that put their bottom line before the health and welfare of this nation? Yes. Should the FED be allowed to function as a private entity? NO. So where did I go wrong? Ahh, the flat tax. Yes, if only I supported a flat tax. So what would I be if I suggested that I would support a flat income tax, but not the flat consumables tax? Is it Socialist to suggest that we should all pay an equal share of our wealth?

        Look, it’s easy to pin a label on people, but it isn’t very useful. Does it make me a Socialist if I don’t understand how you can say that the government has no place in our private lives, but support the ban on same sex marriage. Isn’t that a decision for the churches to decide? Am I Socialist if I support your right (and mine) to own a gun, but question why it has to be secret? Why is registration such a big deal? And if Socialists are supposed to be the ones willing to give up their freedoms, why are conservatives so quick to accept the Patriot act? Are you truly ok with government agents listening in on your private conversations? Is it really better to trust your health to a corporate panel than a government panel? I know a lot of people in government and nonprofit positions who truly care about the people they are entrusted to help. Corporations have a legal obligation to serve the best interest of their share holders. Is it the Socialist in me that is more willing to trust those whose are committed to our nation’s interest?

        So tell me, am I really a big bad Socialist? I know I’m not a Communist, or a Marxist. I’m not a Fascist or a racist, or a humanist. Do I have to be a fundamentalist? How about I check none of the above and just take one issue at a time?

      • DaveH

        What about food? What about shelter? Both of those usually will result in death much faster than lack of healthcare.
        An unfortunate reality of life is that if you make it easy for people, they will take it easy. Thus less production and services which leads to a poorer society, and less resources for food, shelter, and healthcare.
        When people are left alone by meddlesome government, they behave their best. Because, there is nobody to rebel against. People don’t like being told what to do by other people, and government is just other people, no different than our neighbors.
        Government should stick to their legitimate function of protecting us from the force of others. When they help themselves to peoples’ money as if it were they own, they set a bad example for those citizens who are struggling with morality.
        If it’s wrong to take somebody else’s money forcefully, it is wrong no matter how big your gang is. The same goes for killing (except in self-defense).

        http://mises.org/daily/4125

      • Viktor Leben

        Jonathan,

        It’s to late. The majority of Americans want a government handout. It’s now competing PACS. To compound the problem, we have made many enemies in the world. We need a strong military (1 trillion a year $$) to stop all those nations and world leaders who want to destroy America.

        We are living, now, in a socialistic system. The Jobs won’t be coming back. Our industrial base is shrinking, as is our wealth. WELCOME TO THE 21st CENTURY ….

        Have you seriously considered making money on the black market ? Is the underground economy your only chance of surviving economically ? Tune in next week for the nest episode of “Obama’s America !” ….

    • Jonathan

      Well always pay taxes – they just keep spending them the wrong way A banrupt nation is where we are headed regardless = look up chinas currency geting ready to become the monetary standard for the world

      socialism is very scary communism is terifying glad we could have this debate because when this happens no more internet for me and you that isnt being monitored – we could go to jail for some of the things said here sounds like fun to me

      • Kinetic1

        What do you mean “when this happens”. We are being monitored NOW! What do you think the Patriot act was all about? Why do you think people like me were against it? I get branded a Socialist for wanting health care and you all ignore the fact that our government has made it legal to listen in and read all our communications! Last time I mentioned this all I got was “if you have nothing to hide you’ll be fine.” Well, I don’t have anything to hide including my distaste for government intruding on my right to say what I want!

        I know, I know the terrorists. Well look what the fear of terrorists has done to us. The government is listening in on so many discussions that they can’t handle the load. You want to cut some government waste? Try dumping some of the thousands of new federal and private agents monitoring us. While you’re at it, what say we stop paying private contractors big bucks to do the work our armed forces were meant to do? In fact, why didn’t we let our forces get Bin Laden and leave? We could have saved billions if we had just gone after the guys behind 9/11 and come home. No, we had to go after Sadam, the guy who threatened G.H.W.Bush. You know what the aim of terrorism is? Just look around because they have already done what they came to do?

        “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

      • Laurie

        Have you read the Patriot Act? Yuck! It seems to be in opposition to Amendment IV, correct me if I’m wrong.

      • DaveH

        Then get on your man, Kinetic. Obama has pushed much more unpalatable stuff on the american people. Killing the Patriot Act should be a snap.

      • Kinetic1

        Trust me, I let my representatives know how I felt after the PA was allowed to continue.

      • Viktor Leben

        Hey Kinetic1 !

        I don’t see Obama or the democratic Congress wanting to get rid of those Patriot Act agencies listening in on our Internet transactions. When do you think Obama is going to call the troops home, it’s been 2 years. When is the Democrats going to repeal the Patriot Act. What’s taking them so long ?

      • Laurie

        Did you hear about the Super Spy Center that is being built in Utah to help spy on communications worldwide?

      • Laurie

        I read it will sit on 120 acres.

      • Kinetic1

        Neither do I, and I’m pissed! This was the kind of thing I expected to see repealed ASAP, but it won’t help to vote Republican since they put it through in the first place. I guess I’ll just continue to make noise until I find someone I can depend on.

    • Laurie

      In “The Declaration of Independence” here is a complaint levied against the King of Great Britain: “For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent”

      Doesn’t that sound familiar? For instance, all the taxes that will be levied due to the Health Care Plan that the majority of “We the People” did not want?

      • Laurie

        My parents felt that furthering my education was not appropriate because I needed to be a stay-at- home-mom. Since I did not get married when they wanted I was basically kick out of my parents home. For a couple of years after paying car payments, rent, etc. I only had $15 a month for food. I could not afford health insurance. What will happen to people who are forced to pay for something they cannot afford? Does this mean they will not have the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

        My only having $15 a month for food says a lot. I believe in working for everything I have, and I don’t believe in a free to me lunch if it means taking from someone else! I do believe in giving to others in need if I so choose and have the ability to do so.

        I rarely could get a job through the government’s Job Service. Most the jobs I found were through Kelly’s an employment agency not run by the government.

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