Must one choose only from Republican or Democrat? The two, once in office, are virtually indistinguishable from one another.

It really is too bad he won’t loose his seat in November. But, if we can send enough of his fellow RINOs to the unemployment lines this fall, maybe he’ll get the idea we don’t like his kind and the clock is ticking on him, too?

Quit smoking that crap!

Damn Joel I was thinking the same thing. hahahaha LMAO

Norm your endorsement of graham is all i need to NOT VOTE FOR HIM thank you

Your endorsement is all the proof I need that Mr. Graham is no Republican.

Ms Jones,
If abnorm is backin him that’s all ANY of us should need to convince us to vote against him!!!!

Norm,

Too bad New England standards don’t jive with the rest of the country!!!

Momo
Or vice versa.

That is a cop-out. It is another way to say you are pushing tolerance, and afraid of the real issues.

And what do you suggest are the “real issues”? Fiscal responsibility and limited government solve the problem of excessive taxation and regulation, and saddling our children and grandchildren with excessive debt. Constitutional principles take care of just about everything else, like the immigration issue, a constitutional republic versus marxist state, etc. You ask for our platform, we give it, and you find fault. Make up your mind! What answers do you propose, or do you like so many others believe Obama is the messiah who will usher in a utopian age for all, if those pesky Tea Partiers will just get out of the way?

Ms. Jones: very well said. Those are exactly the principles that, if addressed, will bring back America. And, Barry Soetoro does not figure into that equation because he is not fit to govern, is anti-American, and has even less regard for the Constitution than those who preceded him.

Thanks for putting it so succinctly.

Well said Ms Jones!

Well said and so very true. If only the blind liberals could see that those very principles have made it possible for them to live and breathe in the greatest country on earth. So sad that they can not.

They can’t see the principles, Doug, because they have visions of sugar-plums dancing in their heads – other peoples’ sugar plums.

Poor paranoid Davy. Everyone wants his money. Everyone lies. Government is evil.

Norm – your purported high education isn’t showing -

slickporche: I think you’re mistaken here. I think Ms. Jones hit it right on the nail head. Those three tenets address perfectly the abomination that is and has been going on for the past 150 years or so. Your posts seem to be so right on……..why are you dissing these three principles?

My new friend Ellen; Wow! If this has been going on for 150 years then why is it All Obamas’ fault? That’s going back before the Civil War. Since some on this site call Obama The Messiah is that like still blaming the Jews for the death of Christ?

waynea,
thanks for at least having the intestinal fortitude to say it!! I respect you for THAT!!

well at least John wasn’t a progressive. I agree he was too soft for the job but he wouldn’t have tried to destroy the Constitution and the country. Obama is outwardly destroying this country. Your unborn grandkids will owe over 100K that’s if the dollar even exist!

DONALD,i agree McCain wouldn’t have been very good either but how in the hell could he have been worse than obuma? in fact, is there anybody that could have been worse than obuma?

OOPS!! The first paragraph above was in error, SORRY!

Reagan was wore than Obama !! Presidential scholars think that, and they tell us why not just use off the cuff BS as you have!! Read it below:

A new poll of leading presidential scholars ranks Barack Obama as the 15th best president of the United States, just below Bill Clinton but ahead of Ronald Reagan.
The Siena College poll, which surveyed 238 presidential scholars at U.S. colleges and universities, asked scholars to rate the nation’s 43 chief executives on 20 attributes ranging from legislative accomplishments to integrity and imagination.
In the overall ranking, Obama rated two places below Clinton, who was 13th best, and three better than Reagan, who is ranked as the 18th best.
Franklin D. Roosevelt again earned the top spot, as he has every time since the poll was first conducted in 1982. He and the Mount Rushmore presidents — Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson — have consistently been the top five presidents in the poll’s findings.
Obama’s 15th ranking is slightly higher than other presidents who have taken office since the poll started nearly 30 years ago. Most start out at about number 20, said Siena statistics professor and poll director Douglas Lonnstrom.
“[Obama’s] doing a little better, but he’s generally in the same ballpark,” he said.
While he ranked high on traits like imagination (6th), communication ability (7th) and intelligence (8th), Obama rated poorly ratings on background (32nd), which was composed of traits like family, education and experience.
Lonnstrom said the main factor that gives a president a top-five or top-10 ranking is his accomplishments — and an all-around high ranking in most categories.
FDR, for example, ranks in the top 10 for every category except integrity, he said.
“The experts really are looking for consistency, a president who is looking good across most of these categories,” he said.
Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush, was ranked at number 23 in 2002 — the last time Siena’s presidential expert poll was conducted — but has since dropped to number 39, qualifying him as one of the five worst presidents. Bush came in at number 42 — second to last — on issues such as handling the U.S. economy, foreign policy accomplishments and intelligence. (Warren G. Harding was rated the least intelligent president).
Bush joins Harding, Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan and Franklin Pierce, all of whom have consistently ranked as the worst presidents since the poll started, in the bottom five.
Several other presidents also saw movement in their ratings this year. Bill Clinton moved up five places, from No. 18 in 2002 to No. 13 today; John F. Kennedy also moved up, from No. 14 to No. 11.
Carter, Reagan and Nixon all dropped in the rankings this year — Carter dropped seven spots, from No. 25 in 2002 to No. 32 now; Reagan dropped two spots, from No. 16 to No. 18; and Nixon fell four spots, from No. 26 to No. 30.

smilee, was that a nbc,cbs or abc poll!!! the real truth, obama is the “worst” president in history!!! thats before nixon!!

silly larry

If you had read the post correctly you would have known it was not any of those and it was not an opinion poll, it was an in depth analysis of twenty differnt topices and the poll ressults was the their findings based on analysis of the known facts not opinions or feelings as you seem to be suggesting. Resd csrefullly in the future so you do not get your foot stuck in your mouth again.

smilee

after reading the so called analysis you presented, this group sounds like a far out drug induced would be professors that don’t have a clue. anyone that can read can certainly see thru the fdr myth, that is if you find a history book that hasn’t been revised by the democratic machine. to even place fdr anywhere close to washington, jefferson, reagan is an insult to everyone’s ability to think. fdr was nothing more than a white barry soetoro. prove me wrong!!

FDR did the best he could with what he had. He had good programs and programs that failed just like all Presidents.

These programs didn’t fail! ~ anymore the a good jack and spare tire might fail. ~ Government failed! when it fail to steer back to “right” after the crisis was over.

After using a jack and spare, and your are back on you way again ~ There still work to do! ~ The failed tire needs to repaired and mounted. Jack and spare needs to be secured, stored away and ready for the next time.

This is where government fails us ~ being too big, and too slow to respond to crisis and steering changes. Any steering that’s either all right steering or all left steering will not get us where we want to go.

We can create better, more effective government but not in such a hostile partisan climate that exist today. It’s not impossible or unreasonable.

But if it’s all about “your team”, all about “winning”, all about “blame”, while the “bag man” sneaks out the back door leaving a trail of dollar bills he’s dropping on his way out, we will never have good government.

I was reading the blogs and have to say something. I am an Ultra-Conservative, A Tea Partier, and a life long Voter. I was not around for FDR but I can tell you this. Any, and I mean ANY, Liberal College that ranks FDR as the best anything other than Czar, is whacked. Why do you think we have term limits for Presidents. And, once again, ANY Liberal College that would rank the over-sexed Clinton above Ronald Reagan, has to be sooooooo far left that they are too biased to report anything.

Bobby

You unltra conservatiove are so biased that you are incapable of accepting any truth so you spin and spin and spin everthing so it fits into you pea sized brain. Don’t agree fine, but don’t define it with facts thst are totally fslse so you can accept them as truths when they are in fact fslse

So since you “wasn’t around” how did you develop your opinions regarding FDR?

I never offered any opinion on FDR, and I was around, young but have some memory of him

Sorry chuckie but you strike out again and your getting ruder with each post, your hate and lack of anything intelligent to say is becomeing more and more obvious, give up while you still have a shed of decency

Its very interesting that the poll you quote does not state the political party or bent of the so called presidential scholars that are doing the rating. If they are the same scholars from Universities that gave us Barry O there opinion is pretty laughable. Liberal is usually their bent and liberal is what has ruined this fine Country over time. Therefore their opinion is only that an opinion that carries no more validity than yours or mine.

This was a nonparisan analasis of which the results are not to your liking so you throw in all your garbabe to spin it into something in reallity it is not. Scholors are called that bcause of their skills not because of what they believe and not partisan as you obviouly use for myour off the cuff response..

Dear Smellee
To have Washington and Jefferson in the same company as FDR as the “best” (?for the country or for ???) is to create a “range for governing” that is so polarized as to make all rankings worthless. Now… if the rating was for most influential??? I’d DEFINATELY rate FDR up there…. much in the same way as Hitler or UBL can be the “Times Man of the Year”.

SO you don’t agree, Just your opinion, that OK it doesn’t make you right. My opinion your confused.

Right! all things being “equal” Soupy Sales made quite an impression.

But things are not equal and we attempt to compare apples with oranges.

For one man’s decision, what compares with the gut wrenching, history altering decisions made by Truman, Lincoln or Franklin.

These men worn some pretty big shoes.

Greatness is not determined by being “liked” but the willingness to be hated.

Smelly,
yes, and this was nothing more than these scholars(?) opinion!!!

Bob Wire says:
July 19, 2010 at 9:10 am

Greatness is not determined by being “liked” but the willingness to be hate

_____________________________________________________________________

Boy all this hatred we are seeing for Obama, (especially on this site)if what you say is true , WOW! How GREAT is HE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John would have been worse. He would have continued the slow death of freedom by an ever-growing government.
Obama, who got carried away with himself, has moved too fast and as a result has awakened freedom-lovers across the country. That is a good thing. Now, if we can just focus that energy on recognizing that Big Government has gotten us into this mess, we might actually get the people to learn about the concepts of freedom and turn back the tides of Socialism.

YES!!!!!!

don’t pull anything you can’t chew and swallow.

Be careful what you wish for, Bob, it might come true.

hey,SLICK,seen a shrink lately?

Good reply Doug. LMAO

R.Schumann is way ahead of you in how the Republican Party has changed.

eddie47d,here in my state the state dembocrats set up a pac spent 10 to 20 million on it called it a conseritive republican not rino,all bought and paided for by dembocrats, well the republican may have changed but the dembocrats are still the same old liberal crooked back stabers

Why don’t you learn to spell proper English?!

You write proper english or you speak proper english. But spelling alone does not define proper english.

eddie47d and schumann…..ME THINKS YOU ARE BOTH LIBERAL DEMOCRAPS IN DISGUISE WHO, TYPICALLY, DON’T HAVE A CLUE. GO BACK TO YOUR SANDBOX!!

Can’t my grandson won’t give me any time in his sandbox.

edduh,
the cat left you in the sand box, why would we remove you???

How low does your thought processes go, what a idioitic statement!!

no Smelly, just an accurate statement!!!

So you are preaching revolution. The Russians did that in 1917 and see what it got them.
I thought this was a discussion forum, not a tea party where everybody is preaching to the choir. Can’t you tolerate a difference of opinion? That is a characteristic of a dictatorship!

Actually it is characteristic of how a free Republic is and has been born. That is what it took to rid America of miss guided people like you seem to idolize in the very beginning and may be what it takes again. If so so be it.

When any other people do this we call them terrorusts and declare a war on them.

“terrorusts”, Schumann? And you attacked Marvin for his spelling? Typical.

(words removed for offensive content) …….FOLLOWER WHO SAYS LET’S GO..AS LONG AS I WON’T GET HURT!

Takes one to know one!Have some balls youself and steere the Republicans back to it’s conservative roots. Stop following the ignorance that gets sprewed on this site and be your own man.

Guidelines are: Comment Policy: We encourage an open discussion with a wide range of viewpoints, even extreme ones, but we will not tolerate —- slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants. Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don’t stoop to name calling.
Did you read the guidelines?

RHSchumann unlike obama [i won so set down and shut up]or you dissagree with us and we well get in your face or i will put my foot on your neck and kick your ass,or help pass amnesty and i will close the border,or go tell other countrys how sorry we are;or stand and clap for calderon in the peoples house bad mouthing one of are states,you say we the american people are looking for a fight hell no but will we you bet,if you tell me to set down and shut up or you will get in my face,you best be ready to bring it on

RHSchumann = NWO shill, provocateur

Difference in opions and the DESTRUCTION OF A NATION are two different things. And this is not Russia. The progressives have already declared war on us. Why do you think they are constantly trying to take our guns. Open your mind and you will see they are trying to turn us into a nation of mindless slaves.

The Corporations already did that and I bet you followed like lemmings.

And how did the Corporations do that, Eddie?
So far the only products I have ever been forced to buy are those offered or backed by Big Government. And (correct me if I’m wrong) you support Big Government.

Dave H.; We’re all “forced” to buy from corporations or do without.Look at drug companies who jack up prices 2,000% over cost.Many people can’t afford it and end up dying. Is that a proper choice? If you need a loan to survive or go on govt. welfare and the loan company charges 300%; and you have no where else to go your kind of boxed in by thesr loan sharks. There are many examples and just because big govt. is bad doesn’t mean a persons survival should depend on corrupt business practices. I support good govt. and less debt. I also support better business practices. I guess we can all dream.

That’s the best you can do, Eddie? “We’re all “forced” to buy from corporations or do without”? Unbelievably weak logic.
A large portion of the drug companies high prices is due to the ridiculous amount of testing they must do to bring their products to market. That is caused by Big Government.
http://reason.org/blog/show/a-thought-on-greed-and-the-hea

Start your own company, Eddie, instead of whining about their high prices. That should be no problem for you superiorly intelligent Liberals. You can give away your product all you want.

Dave H.; We’re all “forced” to buy from corporations or do without.Look at drug companies who jack up prices 2,000% over cost.Many people can’t afford it and end up dying. Is that a proper choice? If you need a loan to survive or go on govt. welfare and the loan company charges 300%; and you have no where else to go your kind of boxed in by thesr loan sharks. There are many examples and just because big govt. is bad doesn’t mean a persons survival should depend on corrupt business practices. I support good govt. and less debt. I also support better business practices. I guess we can all dream.

There ya go! When you wanna start?

Maybe you and Doug are the misguided ones!

eddie47d you forgot me i must be missguided along with 99% of the people here

K, what is with people like you? Your low opinion of GB was the only thing you got right. You sound like a professional apologist for any socialist, communist or progressive who needs votes. I suppose in a pinch, you could also pass for a RINO or a McCain-like parrot.
So tell me, K. Does your ‘god’ have any plans for getting our military out of a war zone that he SUPPOSEDLY ‘opposed’ when he was in the Senate? Does this god have any plans for acting like a PRESIDENT, instead of the incompetent, dancing puppet that he truly is?
Get your water checked. It’s affecting your mind, K. Either you’re a wannabe czar, or you’re a progressive plant looking for another easy paycheck. Scat!

s c: well said!!

I and a lot of other people hate you. Now what?

Dear Katherine, s.c. never wants the truth to be told. She loves division and turmoil and is the kind of person that has made the Republican what it is today.

It is people like you that give me hope. Yes, Obama has not been as effective as we had hoped but look what tasks were heaped on him. And Congress has not always been helpful. Too bad that good politicians are running scared because rabble rousers and swift boaters will stoop as low as they can to demolish Obama. Pay not attention to the hate answers you get and consider the source.

RH, it is really a rather simple issue for the majority on this site. If your goal in life is to be controlled than obviously your goal has been attained.

The majority of us do not want to be controlled. You may as well go look for another site.

You allowed Wall Street and several corporations to control you. They committed several crimes and robbed America. You’re not children so why should Obama have to clean up your messes? Which he certainly is trying to do. I can’t believe you had a miraculous awakening because a Democrat got elected when you ignored Republicans past sins.

Eddie,
Big Government has caused most of our economic calamities. Read works by Milton Freidman or Thomas Sowell or Mises Von Ludwig. Read the many articles on websites like Reason.org or Cato.org or Mises.org to get a clue on the reality of Big Government.
There is a wealth of information out there to explain how the Federal Reserve and Government got us into the current mess.
There are many articles and books that explain why Free Markets work and others don’t. Here is just one:
http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=46

Dave H.; Thomas Sewell, I gave up on him years ago. Free markets can work but our capitalist system allows a few to ruin it for everyone. Govt. would stay out of their business if they would “police” themselves. (honest business practices,pollution,tax loopholes) The madness keeps going around and around.

“Thomas Sewell”?
Dang, Eddie, I just gave you the correct spelling and you still can’t get it right. Somehow that makes me skeptical that you have read Thomas Sowell’s articles or books.
Big Government goes hand in hand with the very kind of Cronyism that I suspect gives you the bad impression of Big Corporations. Without the aide of government they would have to compete fairly which would result in more products and lesser prices. The consumer would be king, instead of the politicians and regulators.

katherine, eddie47d, and schumann….YOU ARE SUCH IDIOTS!! YOU VOTED FOR THAT (word removed) AND NOW YOU ARE CRYING AND TRYING TO HIDE WHILE YOU STILL KISS HIS IGNORANT COMMUNIST AGENDA SEEKING (word removed)!!!!

OK..YOU ARE A BUNCH OF CRY BABIES WITH REGRETS FOR YOUR PAST TRANSGRESSIONS, BUT YOU CAN’T LET GO OF YOUR POORLY DEVELOPED MINDSETS. IS THAT BETTER??

NO!!! its just as stupid!!!!

Smilee is well acquainted with stupidity. He looks at it every morning in the mirror.

Dave H. And you think gundoctors comments were appropriate?

Did I say I did, Eddie?
Quit trying the Liberal tactic of putting words in my mouth.

Well davie someone needs to put words in your mouth otherwise all that comes out is garbage!!

Sleepee,
You’re hitting new lows. How low can you go?

Daveh

Ome has to hit this low to reach you

Obama took a bad situation, and made it much, much worse. Stop blaming or defending Bush–he hasn’t been in office for more than 18 months. Obama has a fawning Democratic Congress which rubber stamps his agenda, with disasterous results!

Pleeeeeeeeease quit drinking the koolaid!

KATHERINE,you just don’t get it.instead of trying to solve our problems,obama is making them worse.and i’m not so sure it’s not intentional.quit making excuses for obama,the unemployment rate was 6.4% when obama took office,it’s now over 10%.since obama took office we now have the largest deficit in history,largest number of people unemployed in history,largest no. of home foreclosers in history,largest no. of business failures in our history,largest no. of illegals in history,largest environmental disaster in our history…..stop making excuses for obama!

Very believable.We would have been much better off to send the (offensive word removed) back to Africa. Still would. Lincoln was a fool.

Isn’t that just a bit racist?

But then, so are you CJ

s c: again, very well said!!!

Ellen= Polly want a cracker!

The liberal parrott calling someone polly, imagine that!!!!

MOMSRIGHT says: July 16, 2010 at 2:26 pm

YOU WROTE

“We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator, {GOD} with certain unalienable rights, that among them are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!”

MY RESPONSE:

Mom’s wrong you inserted GOD so I assume it is whom you see as God but the creator could be something else to others and is not necessarily a relgious term. If Thomas Jefferson had mean to say GOD he would of said GOD and he did not he said creator. He goes on to say “That to secure these rights, Government are instituted among men, derving their just powers from the consent of the governed,…” This power comes not from either God or the creater but from among men with their consent. Jefferson never said this power came from either GOD or a creater as you have written into it not based on what is actually says but rather what you want it to be. This act is today is called spin and you are the spinner. RH is right, you MOM are the one who is wrong!!

Nothing against religion but everything against religious extremists. That’s what the Muslim bombers are and they are giving Islam a bad name. Christian extremists are almost as bad. So are extremists of any religion.

What about Ron Paul, one of the most honest politicians out there. Did you know he returns to the Treasury anything in his budget that he does not use for that year. He seems to have a real knowledge of the money situation and is responsible for making more people aware that the Federal Reserve is not a govt. organization but privately owned. He is a strict constitutionalist. I would look seriously at anyone he endorses.

Ron Paul is a good person. During the campaign the news media hardly gave him any attention at all. It was disgusting. The news media gave all the attention to the so-called “popular” candidates. What a farce.

Claire

He was not newsworthy!!

Smilee– No, I guess he wasn’t. And why? Fox, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, none of them gave him any consideration. Sometimes the “quiet” one is more of a man and has more merit. Newsworthy? Sometimes I call it gossip.

Claire,
I can’t believe how you give people like Smilee respectful answers when they do nothing but disrespect others.
We need more like you.

Major News Corporations thrive on Big Government. The Media Moguls don’t want the competition of Free Markets anymore than other Corporate leaders do. So, their natural inclination is to shun people like Ron Paul and embrace those politicians who will keep them safe from competition.
I must say, though, that FOX is breaking that mold. I have never in my lifetime seen news programs that give a chance for freedom lovers to air their ideas like those on FOX do. Go FOX!
Also, I want to thank Bob Livingston for providing us with this wonderful forum in which we can discuss the concepts of freedom with a diverse group of people. Go Personal Liberty!

daveh

Coming from the master of disrespect I will take that in yours eyes you meant it to be a compliament

Put down that joint, Smilee, before you hurt someone.

Running out of words are you davie as you are now saying stupid things again

Smilee
Davie is incapable of saying anything but stupid nonsense. It’s his libertarian/anarchist nature. He is paranoid and trusts no one. He thinks everyone is like him.

This from the two MASTERS of saying stupid things, smelly and Abnorm!!!

Maryanne THE ANSURE TO THAT IS WATCH CSPAN GET ON THE ENTERNET PULL UP YOUR REPS see how they vote ,call and email them tell them what you want don,t be shy they work for, there is alot of good enfo out there just look, i am a member of heritage foundation,numberusa,AND teaparty NOT TEABAGGERS and i do not allways agree with them but they get you to looking for good ansures

More Tea Party extremism ;sounds like the weather underground extremists in the 60′s. They lost and so will your kind of rancor.

eddie47d NO WERE IN HIS POST,is the teaparty, his views are his not mine and 99% of teaparty member so do not paint your liberal views on all teaparty members

eddie = shill

Ellen=Lemming with a broken leg,And a shill for ignorance.

Eddie,
I have seen more thoughtful comments from 8th graders.
You just can’t seem to stay away from the name-calling, ridicule, fabricated facts, and other manipulative tactics.
Thank you for giving the readers a good example of Liberal mentality.

DaveH
You relate well to eighth graders, the slower ones that is.

Poor Norm. I would try to help you, but I think you are beyond that.

DaveH
You can’t even help yourself.

slick,you’re one sick bastard!

Wayne,
I think he is wrong, not sick. It is common amongst people to think that all problems can be controlled by force. That is what allows Government to get so big.
Violence rarely leads to good ends. Revolutions almost always replace one bad leader with another bad leader. It is the nature of the beast. After all, the mindset of the revolutionaries is to use force to solve their problems. Can we expect them to thereafter abandon that force and extend freedom to their citizens? George Washington was a rare exception. Augusto Pinochet was a rare exception. Usually revolutions end with dictators like Lenin or Mao.

Low blow Dave H. Why do many on this site advocate revolution and are willing to use violence to do it. Will that solve their problem? Do you get on their case for wanting to kill liberals,immigrants.politicians and others. Your words were right but they ring alittle shallow. Also Pinochet was a dangerous military dictator who sabotaged a free election. I certainly hope you weren’t comparing him with George Washington. Naw, You wouldn’t stoop that low.

Pinochet voluntarily stepped down to give the power to a democratically elected president. How many dictators do you know that would do that?

http://blog.mises.org/6032/general-augusto-pinochet-is-dead/

Did I compare him to George Washington? I missed that part.

You work awful hard to dis me don’t you Eddie? I guess you’re going to have to work harder. Lowlife Liberal.

DaveH,
You know how it is, jealousy makes a libbie progressive go a llloooonnngg way!!!LOL!!!

Wayne,
I’ve been hearing that tired mantra since Jimmy Carter and the Liberal Democrats brought our country to the brink of destruction. With the exceptions of Reagan and Ron Paul, there have been few Republicans who haven’t worshiped at the altar of Big Government.
Votes on the best candidate are not wasted votes. The wasted votes are those spent on the ‘least evil’ candidates who are still just evil.
I will always vote for the most freedom-loving candidate. If too many people are ignorant and he/she doesn’t get elected at least I didn’t waste my vote on somebody who wouldn’t take this country in the right direction.

DaveH,
sorry, but I gotta call you on that again. what if just enough people follow your lead and Obummer gets back in or even somebody worse??? I won’t risk that being done to my country. your vote might not have been wasted, but it would be worse than wasted!

Actually, Joe, not all Democrats want to share the money of others. A lot just don’t like the warmongering ways of the Republicans and don’t like the Republicans telling them what they can do with their own bodies and property.
The Libertarians offer the only Principled approach to Freedom. They leave people alone who only harm themselves, and they don’t let people ride on the unwilling shoulders of others.
Both major parties are flawed. The Democrats think it’s okay to steal the money of others if the hide behind the coattails of the Government, and the Republicans think it’s okay to kill people under the thin disguise of national security. Try telling that to the judge next time you murder somebody. “But your honor, if I didn’t kill him first, he might kill me later”.
If you like being a subject, Joe, just keep voting for the lesser of two evils.

DaveH,
And if we send a message that we support the policies of Nobama by letting him in for another term the dems may ALL support him!!

An idiot, someone we reject for what ever reason.

I Have noticed his confusions to, he never makes any sense, hopefully he will be OK when he grows up and hopefully becomes mature then.

Smelly,
Gee in all your 70 years of learning, you didn’t learn the difference between to, too and two???

Joey

you made the same mistake I did. it should have been to or too. Rofl

smelly,
Poor boy I didn’t make ANY mistake other than you being able to understand that I listed the three forms of the wordas they teach it in school. Perhaps though, you didn’t finish grade school and therefore, you didn’t have the ability to do so!!!

Sir Eddie46d,
I am confused by your post clearly your amoung a number of people who post here who have issues that need to be addressed by a Doctor.
Your post are lacking any form of contiguous logic, Its almost as if your on the wrong meds. Sir I strongly feel you should contact a Doctor very soon as I noted with a few here if you are still in your teens these issues can be addressed and you can lead a normal life.
Good luck.

Your feeble attemps at trying to some intelligent ARE NOT WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your best bet at that, Sleepee, is to quit typing.

You in a pizzy mood again today eh!!!!

smelly,
Read your own post a little closer and you will prove yourself wrong!!!

Joey I see you still cannot make an intelligent statement, lack of knowledge I suspect also

Smilee
Daveh is a disgruntled loser. You have to cut him a little slack, or he’ll cry and call you names.

Smelly,
Gee, Smelly, I think you were trying to say ‘your feeble attempts to SHOW some intelligen(CE) are not working!!!!!

Joe H. says:
July 20, 2010 at 11:39 pm

Congratulations, Joey you got my message, I’m impressed with you!!

Hardly, Eddie. What has ruined the Republican Party is that they have diluted their core beliefs in an attempt to gain more votes. In so doing, they are presenting less and less of an alternative to the Democrats. That is a problem for them, because the Big Carrot that Democrats dangle (free money for non-workers from workers) can only be defeated with the solid principles of free markets and strict property rights.
Since Republicans have backed away from their small-government free-market principles, all they can offer is war-mongering and a police state for those who think all problems can be solved by force.
There is only one Political Party that understands Freedom. Need I say their name?

DaveH
Anarchists?
The reason libertarians will never win an election is that they represent the lunatic fringe as in DaveH.

Oh, poor Norm, he’s getting desperate. Say something mature and intelligent, Norm, so I can stroke you and raise your self-esteem.
If you try real hard, you can do it, Norm.

Daveh
You are the desperate one my loser friend.
Now are you going to call a liar or just babble as usual?

read his voting record. He’s one of the ones who want the libs to ‘like us’.

Perhaps he votes his conscience and not the party line!

It’s funny how the Dems think someone is voting their conscience when they agree with them, and how they think that same person is a radical right-winger when they make a stand for conservative issues. The liberal-socialists have done a great job in redefining,and political correctness! Pretty soon they may even have me convinced that up is really down! Bill Clinton is a committed family man, and a baby in the womb is a choice and not a person! The Bible says; “woe to those who call good evil and evil good!”

The only thing the libs like about us is our money, which they recklessly squander.

Right, ~ we want your money ~ where it at? ~ buried in a can out back?

Tell us where ~ or we’ll talk mean about you until you do! ~ You know , we don’t have any money and depend on all you Tea Party folk to give us some.

We don’t pay any taxes either ! You are the only ones paying taxes!

I just can’t understand why you want to hold out on us like that! ~ Share the wealth man ! Pony up ~ I bought my last meal now it’s your turn to buy me one!

IS that the way you think? Life is free for everyone but yourself? That’s a very inaccurate and twisted view of present affairs.

Planed Parenthood has a big job on their hands and falling way behind in this country.

will
The flaw there is that most of the red states get more cash from Washington than they pay in.

Bob Wire – Our money “where it at”?
How about…UHM-m-m…it been stolen by any and all the “right” and “left” -winger wankers that have been stealing everything to be misappropriated for ungodly purposes for the last sixty years. Yeah, show me where it’s been put to use for anything God considers a “worthy purpose”, effort or group. Not much there to point to. Oh, “faith based” this-or-that you say. Like “faiths” of the rever end Wright’s, you say, or other government chosen and affiliated “worthiness”. Lately our rulers seem to only give out to those willing to give kick-backs or sell votes to magnify their control. Just like every despotic and tyrranical outfit that ever
held sway over their populace. Caesar, Mohammed, Robespierre, Pope Leo, King George, Stalin, Mao, Hirohito, Wilson, FDR, Obama – all megalomaniacs, all obsessed with power and their own glory (to name a few).
Real good, Bob. Your understanding of what a republic is or “statesmen” are is so-o-o-o impressive.

Norm,
How does that refute Will’s claim that the money is recklessly squandered?

You are getting warmer with every word.

Linda, A good point.

Anyone who can see this for what it really is, the Tea Party is effecting the Marxist in charge of our governemnt now.
Thus they allow a RINO lap doggie to discharge politicaly motivated rhetoric to discredit a group that is obviously beating the progressive marxist back. If that were not true then the statment would never have been made, nor placed in print. Think about the reasons why things are done whats the real issue to cause the effect?

Linda WELL SAID AND RIGHT ON

Couldn’t have said it better!

Linda, what you say is true . . . up to a point. Remember the Contract with America Republicans? Once elected, they caved. Now Republicans are delighted to show up at Tea Party rallies, because they see an opportunity to take back the House, and maybe the Senate, as well. But beware! Carefully examine the record of any candidate, Republican and Democrat alike. Do not fall for the fallacy that, to defeat the Democrats, you must vote for the Republican–the RINOs are counting on it! Now as never before, we have an opportunity to vote for the BEST candidate to represent the values of limited government, fiscal responsibility, and free markets, and s/he just might be an Independent!

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck the chances are good, it’s a duck.

Bob,

Based on your analogy you must be a real sleaze bag.

Careful, John, you don’t want to ruffle Bob’s feathers. He might go quackers on you.

John,
No just a true dyed in the wool PROGRESSIVE!!!!

MS JONES,right now we have to stop having a dem, pres,dem house and a dem senate that can push through obama’s agenda.once we can stop obama,by having either the house or sen. controlled by the rep,then we can start weeding out the rotten apples out of both parties.the 1st thing,LET’S STOP OBAMA!

The thing is, wayne, that right now the people are awakening to the concept of Freedom and the content of the Constitution. We may have no better chance than the present to weed out Liberal Republicans. Yet the people are squandering the moment. A good example is the RINO John McCain who keeps on being re-elected by Arizona Republicans. This Big Government cancer is never going to be stopped if we can’t even put RINOs like McCain out to pasture.
Give up on the Republican Party. They are part of the problem, not the solution. Vote Libertarian.
http://libertarianparty.org/platform

Nor do I. On the two tea parties I attended, I saw people from all walks of life (from disenchanted libs, disgruntled democrats, republican gays …etc…….)

royallyangry
You must have a lot of free time with nothing worth doing. May I suggest helping people.

there are some people I’d really like to help……..Right out od Wa. DC and into prisns for unamerican activities and treason and trying to make a communist country and at my age I don’t care how it’s done.

obama and his thugs are my enemy and I’ll fight ’til the death if need be and there are plenty more of us that feel the same way. Some who have their own plan (liberal) style to warrant the thugs to make a visit to Vince Foster.

Me at my age have nothing to lose in a full scale revolution. Some of you wont like me because I say what you’re even afraid to think tho you’d like too. If and when I get kicked off here,by my foes, you remember these words.

If you and your Liberal cohorts would practice what you preach, Norm, you wouldn’t need to take money from others to satisfy your goals.
Donating your own time and money is charitable, Norm. Donating other peoples’ time and money is slavery and theft.

DaveH
How much time and/or money do you donate to help others?
My guess is zip.

You can guess all you want, ignorant Liberal. My observations of Liberals during my life is that they are real good at giving lip service, but not very good at actually doing anything. That’s why they must spend other peoples’ money.

Daveh
I repeat:
How much time and/or money do you donate to help others?
You great at avoiding answers.
I think you are greedy, nasty, and probably a loser.

David—I went to two parties here in my hometown. The first was neutral in their stance, and I thought that was great. Then the next one I went to, the platform of the Republican party was discussed–and I got the distinct impression it was all about the Republican party and the candidates that were running here in Illinois. Now they are supporting Republican (RINOS) candidates and to me, these candidates are no better than the Democrats. Kirk, for example, lied about his military service and a Navy award he “received.” The next thing I knew he was caught in these lies. It was in the news on TV and in the newspaper. Kirk announced that he misspoke. Barf and gag. How can anyone lie about their military record??? The way I look at it, if politicians will lie about things like this, they sure as hell will lie about anything. I will make up my own mind about the issues at hand, I will not let any so-called tea party make my decisions for me. A lot of people I know are falling off the tea party bandwagon. If the tea party had kept their neutral ideas, etc. they would have been better off. A lot of people I know are thinking third party. Independents, Libertarians—not such a bad idea anymore. A TRUE Conservative would be nice, but there again, they stem from the Republican party, and some people are fed up with the Republicans as well as the Democrats. I know I am.

David–Liberal plant? You can go straight to hell. How dare you accuse me of this? Who do you think you are? I will tell you what you are–a fool.

Get him, Claire.

Claire,
Looks like those two dogs aren’t the only “watchdogs” around your house!!! Go get im lady!!!

Claire…HOORAH FELLOW PATRIOT!

CLAIRE,do you realize there is also a lot of democrats in the tea party?

wayne a–I know this, and that is good. I just think tea parties should remain totally unbiased, but even the RINOs are encroaching upon the parties like it was all their “idea.” This I don’t care for. I do not like the hateful signs. This is where I draw the line. I voted for Bush, and was aggravated with him, but I will not call him a foul name. Same with Obama. I do not approve of them but I will not call any president a foul name. And I certainly will not go to any more tea parties here in my hometown. Full of Republicans RINOs and political wannabes. Here in Illinois, I was so disappointed in Kirk. Another liar. When he was caught in his lies, that was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. The Republicans here lie just as much as the Democrats. I will not be voting this November for any of them, I guess I will have to write in a candidate.

Sir Wayne, Thats true as I am both. I strongly feel that Mr. Grams statments are ment to try and break the Tea Party sprit.
I can say for one thats not going to happen. The Tea Party may never become a standard political party such as the Dems or Reps, but they will be around and put the politicians feet to the fire when need be.

Afterall thats what they were set up to be a Watchdog group, and they are doing a very good job of that. As I said Mr Gram nor Barry nor the NAACP the Black Panthers etc, would be attacking them if they were not in fear of them expsoing their evil deeds and thats as obvious as a cold slap in the face.

The Tea Partiers are a diverse group of people that are united in the common cause to stop the Federal Government from trampling the Constitution. Unfortunately, many of them want their own freedom but do not respect the freedom of others. Hopefully the current angst about the Leviathan Federal Government will spur the people to investigate freedom more thoroughly and resolve that contradiction.

Claire,
How do you expect them to be unbiased with what is in office now??? They are looking at the destruction of this country! They should be very biased against the status quo, especially the dems right now!!!

David – Claire is not in any way, shape or form a liberal plant. If you have been here a year or so, your would know that. Where she lives, she experienced these things. The USA is a very large piece of ground to cover – I am doubtful that you can be sure that your knowledge encompasses it all – and that you know all about all Tea Party events everywhere.

libertytrain–Thank you for the vote of support. As always, It is good to hear from you.

Claire,
I know you are not a liberal plant as I’ve been posting to you for quite some time now. I think, though, that you will agree with what I just posted.

Republicans. Democrats. They are all controlled by the banks, corporations and Pharmaceuticals. Wake up.

And that’s why they all must go! Term limits must be imposed at the federal level. The revolving door between the Federal Government and Companies of all types must be closed.

True. The real people who pull the strings hide quietly “behind the curtain” and we only see their puppets. We need to press for term limits to keep congress people from overstaying their welcomes and evolving into little Napoleons.

Hugh Jordin–The first thing we have to do is get them all out of office ASAP. Then we can think about term limits. Maybe?!

Term limits? Fine ! but you are just making politicians cheaper and easier to buy ~ while achieving very little in addressing the issue of special interest influence.

Why not discuss that Mr. and Ms. Tea Party Crowd?

Not in weeks have I heard a single word!!!!!! and until you do ~

You are fanning the air and making a great show much to little avail.

David -
If you do that the government unions and the bureaucracy will control everything. It takes people a long time to learn who runs what. At this time the bureaucracy holds more power than our representatives. They’ve completely abdicated the exercise of power to the Executive Branch and the unions representing the gov’t workers.

You have no power to vote the bureaucrats out.

Sir Bob Wire,
Your post is lacking any coherent substance, can you repost what it is your trying to say in a mannor that express’s logic and or common sense. Thank you.

Sure Bruce, ~ I’ll be happy too! ~ sometimes context is lost and things do get confusing ~ especially if your commentary won’t stand alone.

I was offering concerns I have with “Term Limits” while I think I understand the reason for such a proposal, that being the power of the ballot box to remove any politician found in low regard, easier and sooner then later.

What concerns me is this does little to cub the influence of special interest ~ and in fact could make influence peddling a must more lucrative and a wider spread problem then what it already is.

I have read many threads and many post over the last few months and I find it discerning that there are few references to influence peddling, lobbyist and special interest.

There is no talk on these forum that address the issues of special interest and how they affect candidates and politics.

Is there something I am not aware of, for I sense this issue is ground zero and where the main battle front is. For if the people is to take back control of their government, this is a battle that must be waged.

This is exactly what went on in this last campaign. Huckabee got a little bit more attention, but certainly not as much as the “chosen ones.”

Sir Smilee, Yet one more of your post that is lacking any coherent substance value. Are you very young as in a teenager? As all your post lack any viable substance, that is when you are not in full blown plagiarism mode, or completely off balance.
Todate all your post lack any fact, nor value other than what would clearly seen to be an issue you may need to see a Doctor about.
I strongly feel that your unblanced. Again this is just an observation but your post clearly display a true borderline personality imblance. The good news is if your still in your teens this can be addressed by way of meds and then you can lead a normal life.
Please seek help for your own good.

ASSUME ASS/U/ME!! You silly boy you, I am 70 years old, hopefully if you live than long you will attain the wisdom to see the stupidity and folly in your childess post!

Smelly,
Why? You didn’t!!!!

Because a moderate Republican is nothing but a closet Democrat. Why do you progressives persist in assuming that Tea partiers are Republican supporters? Some of the worst assaults on the Constitution committed in recent history have been committed by so-called moderate Republicans aided and abetted by a Democrat-majority Congress.

Clearly America is tired of the statis Quo, Bush and the RINO’s biggest mistake was to think they could compromise with the radical agenda of the Demos and come out some where in the middle! if you don’t make a stand for something then you stand for nothing! Obama fooled a lot of people with his hope and change mantra. Many thought, oh my goodness, finally a man who wants to make a difference! Of course the hope and change he is leading the country to is only a smoke screen for destroying our country as we know it and taking away all or hard won freedoms! Is it any wonder the tea party has sprung up from the grass roots of regular American people who are tired of playing politics and are making a stand for the Judeo-Christian values this country was founded upon! We are in a war, but it is not the war you suppose, it is a war of right and wrong, good and evil, God and satan! There is no middle ground here for what fellowship has light with darkness? We are all going to have to decide what side we stand on! There is a scripture in Revelations and I loosely quote. “I would rather you be hot or cold, but if you are warm {meaning straddling the fence} I will spew you out of my mouth!

As long as you keep throwing the god thing into politics you will lose a lot of people. I for one am an atheist who is fiscally conservative and socially somewhere between conservative and libertarian.
The best approach is to keep religion out of politics and politics out of religion.

@MOMSRIGHT- Spoken like a true tea party adherent! Not that I’m completely opposed to the tea party. I’m glad that Americans are (finally) waking up. Unfortunately, they are all Republicans (Not real Republicans) but the new Republicans (as in warmonger/neo-cons) who would die for their hero Bush Jr. (search the Franklin Cover-up) and Bush Sr. (the eugenics enthusiast)who believe 90 percent of us ‘useless eaters’ should be eliminated, to leave 9 percent workers for the 1 percent ‘royal blood elitists’ (the Bushes) If it weren’t for ‘the decider’ Obama wouldn’t have been able to get away with the ‘power grab’ that he has, he just continued where Bush left off. Bush set the record for signing statements, in fact, he was responsible for more signing statements than all 42 previous presidents combined, telling Congress that he had no intention of adhering to some 1,100 laws.
BTW- It’s Revelation, not Revelations. There is no such thing as Judeo-Christian, it’s a misnomer. Zionists are Babylonian Talmudic Ashkenazi’s and are no relation to Abraham, Issac or Jacob. God does not have one specific people group as his ‘chosen people’ but has taken people from every tribe, tongue and nation of the earth who trust in His son Jesus Christ. I used to be a dispensationalist/fundamentalist like yourself until I began to study the origins of the ‘new wind of doctrine’ the rapture of the Church. The teaching is only a little over 200 years old. Thanks to that scoundrel Scofield and the man who paid his bills for 20 years while he wrote ‘his’ bible. That man was Samuel Untermyer. You are right that we are in a war, right vs wrong,good vs evil, but you and I both know that ‘the battle is the Lord’s.’ Artero Azurdia has a wonderful series of pod casts (sermons) on the book of Revelation that is very enlightening, in fact, it changed my life, hence, the name- paradigm shift.

The time for compromise is over and done, America is now fighting for its very existence economically, morally, and politically to keep the one world government from destroying us with marxist socialism that usurps our rights and freedoms. Only the Constitution stands in their way. If Obama completes his term as President by spending the millions of dollars he’s paying in attorneys fees to stall or dismiss law suits brought forth for him to prove he meets the requirements of the Constitution to hold the office of the Presidency, then reveals that he isn’t a ‘natural born citizen’ therby not meeting those requirements, he will have established a precedent and caused the first domino of irrevelency of the Constitution to have fallen and thereby instituting a possible chain of events for its demise, along with the American people’s freedom and this country. So goes the Constitution, so goes this country, and so goes the American people!

Randy and mom; If,If,If, If Obama does this or that the Country will collaspe.We have survived much bigger crises’ in America. I find it hard to believe we even got through the depression as negative as prople are now. Maybe they had real faith back then Ye of so little faith. Slandering and mocking Obama does not produce facts OR even a rope to hang himself with. Your Marxist diatrabe and weak accusations only strengthens his hand.

paradigmshift – GREAT LOGIC in your post on this thread.

In the First Century Church the Judaizers were Paul’s and Peter’s greatest enemies. They were constantly following, or chasing, Paul around attempting to kill him. Their other favorite past time was to move into an area where Paul had newly brought the Gospel and try to convince the new believers Paul was an heretic from Judaism.
Remember they were the “Judeo-” part of “Judeo-Christian” who were Jesus Christ’s constant foes to stop his ministry. They were followers of Hillel and his bunch and were the primary instigaters to have Jesus Christ tried and to try to destroy him. For three days and three nights they succeeded.
If you check it out God refers to them in places as of “the Jews religion”. Jesus often, when confronted by them, pointed out their unbelief and lack of understanding of the Old Testament (Mosaic Law and the other O.T. scriptures). What really galled them was Christ’s miracles and healings.
Like modern day ministers who are devoid of Truth, the followers of Judaism couldn’t get God to do squat for them if they prayed for anybody. But Jesus could – and so could his disciples. Well, the judaism guys thought they were the “called of God” in their day. But, they couldn’t get God to help them minister; neither could the Temple priests – just like today. So, they had to marginalize believers or kill them – just like today, when somebody comes around teaching and ministering in the power of the true God. The demoninations hate it.

God isn’t out of business. But those who follow the Judaisers of today will soon find their spirituality…turned off(?)…tuned out(?)…um-m-m,gone flat, like a two day old, open beer bottle. You can’t help yourself in any way by aligning yourself with God’s detractors.

So, why are the hyper-modernistic “Christian” leaders so hep(?) on “Judeo-Christian”? Makes no sense to me.

Paradigm Shift,

I respectfully disagree with your view of the Jewish People. God chose one people and one nation He called as belonging to Him .. that’s Israel. Us GOYIM (Gentiles) are blessed by them because of God’s grace and our Savior the Lord Jesus Christ. We’ve been grafted in, by a merciful and benevolent Creator. Some of the branches are Gentile but the trunk is Isreal. We share in thier blessing, THAT WE DON”T DESERVE !!!

I know their are many liberal Jews (Just as their are LIBERAL GENTILES, have you ever noticed that ?) but God will favor whoever he wants to (and that’s the Jews !) . I’m just glad for salvation, that’s good enough !!

THE USA has less rights to it’s land THAN ISRAEL DOES …. When thy sing the song from EXODUS . “This land is mine, God gave this land to me…” That’s the fact, jack !

In the END the whole world will be RULED from JERUSALEM, the KING sitting on the THRONE is a JEW !
I cheated and read the back of the book (The Bible) …

Other than that …I agree with alot you have to say ……

Mike in Mi,

I think you are confusing the “judaizers” with the Jewish rulers. The “Judaizers” wanted the Gentile converts to also follow Mosaic Law …. If you read in the book of Acts this issue was settled at the Council of Jerusalem.

As for Hillel he taught: “That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn.” Similar to the Lord Jesus Christ 2nd commandment “Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you”….

Hillel died about 10 AD …… Here is something to consider (speculation) in Luke 2 v39 – 52 The Lord Jesus Christ (at the age of 12) was talking with the teachers. Was one of those Teachers Hillel ? Did the AUTHOR (The Lord Jesus Christ) of the Scriptures teach Hillel ?

Maybe we should say Christian- Judeo instead of Judeo-Christian !

There is a world of difference between a true old school Democrat and a radical, non thinking, anarchist, neoliberal extremist, Socialist. I’ll take the old school Democrat any time!

well AL,you can have the old school dem! democrats have been in charge of the house 53 of the last 63yrs and the senate 56 of the last 63yrs.and look at the mess this country is in,if the shoe fits wear it!

1995 through 2007 is twelve years, subtract 53 from 63 and you only get 10 years, your numbeers do not add up neither does any of your post!!

The facts:
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm

DaveH

Oh Dave. wayne and your article are talking about two different things, reread his post it is incorrect, the article you site is correct but its talking about something different than wayne was, I stand by my post

You’re so funny, Sleepee. First of all, my link does indeed pertain to wayne’s comment. Second of all, I didn’t say either one of you was right or wrong. What’s the matter, guilty conscience?

Gee, I was wrong, I gave you credit for having the intelligence to figure out the difference but I as I said I was wrong you lack that intelligence

Sleepee,
I would need more than intelligence to figure out your posts. Maybe if you passed me that joint, I would be in a frame of mind to understand your comments.

Do you even know what anarchy is, Norm? If you love Big Government, then one would think you would expect all people to obey the law. That includes the people in Government. If select people are exempt from that requirement, then why is Big Government any better than anarchy?
As John Adams said “We are a nation of laws, not of men”.
In other words, no man is above the law.
It is typical for Liberals to think laws are meant for other people, not themselves.

Amen to that -

DaveH
Well you certainly know what anarchy means. You are one of its biggest proponents.
No one is above the law and that includes you.

Surprise, Surprise, Norm is telling a lie.
Please show me kind sir where I have ever advocated anarchy?
Typical Liberal misinformation.
When are you guys going to learn some facts instead of relying on childish manipulative tactics?

DaveH, we already know that socialists are programmed to respond to the tenets of liberty and freedom with false and shallow accusations of “Anarchy”. All the while advocating compliance and conformity like the useless, stand in line “tools” that they are.

royallyangry
“Little” in mind only people = teabaggers.

Sir Norm,
From your post I have observed over the last year you have little to speak of as far as the mental department. By the was you also have yet to answer a simple question asked of you over and over.
You made the claim that you were an engineer, so were you one who invented or repaired? Can’t you answer that question Mr Engineer?
Or is that to hard a question for an ENGINEER to grasp?

Bruce
I’m a graduate BSEE with a MSCS (computer engineering). I worked as a research engineer for most of my working career specializating in automation. Graduate Engineers rarely work as repairmen but it is somtimes part of the development phase of engineering.
That’s my resume let us see yours.

Norm = shill

Norm– I am a high school graduate and I also graduated from the school of hard knocks. Am I proud, you bet I am. I have learned important things my entire life. I have a wonderful job, and I consider myself to be as worthy as anyone with degrees coming out the cazoo.

it sounds like “norm”, might have his head in other places!! he has a crappy outlook, in life!!

Norm,
From your brilliant answers that I have seen this past year I can believe you are a computer engineer. Most engineers of any type have no common sense and are always so sure of themselves. Boy you fit right in that category. Someone who thinks he is better than everyone else, just like Obama. Same type of misguided personality.
You must have a wonderful wife to put up with you all of these years, her credit, not yours.

Norm,
Name me an object-oriented program language that uses pointers.
Actually that’s too easy.
Name me a programming language that is a pet amongst CS professors, yet is shunned by commercial industry. Hint: It uses a 3-letter function that is pronounced ‘could-er’.

Hey ! I Know ! Are you talking about “LISP” ???

DaveH
Is this a test?
I personally did a lot of low level programming over my long career. I’ve programmed in assembly languages for several Intel micros. I am very proficient in C and Pascal. As far as object oriented with pointers (redundant), I do C++ and Visual Basic. Note that National Instrument has a graphic language called Lab View which is great for hardware control.
I also do electronic hardware design. I design on the chip level, board level, and lately on the system level. Most automation these days is done with PC’s as opposed to in house computer board designs. Of course interfaces, especially I/O’s, A/D’s, D/A’s and signal conditioners still need to be designed by guys like me.
As far as your “mystery language” I’m not sure of what you speak.

Tell me Dave what do you do?

Norm,
If you indeed have a masters in CS, you should be able to easily solve my last question.
It was invented in the 1970s, so right around the time you would have gotten your degree.
Just one of my quirks. I don’t trust Liberals. Anybody who can casually help themselves to the legally earned money of others is certainly capable of telling lies.

Viktor,
Very Good. Actually, I was thinking of Scheme which, as you probably know, is a descendent of Lisp.

Norm you of all should know about small things is your boy friend leaving you for being small in the teabagging, the rest of us man with womam, womam with man teaparty don,t have that trouble we belive in god and famly and country and not start name calling,i am sure some site like homosexual.com would be better for you,if you disagree thats fine but to dispair good people by calling the teaparty members teabagger is even below your standers of zero, oh you have no moral standers you say

marvin
I’ve been married to the same gal for 40+ years and have 2 kids and 6 grand kids. I don’t teabag do you?

Marvin. You are so shallow

Norm, for all that supposed intelleigence you seem a little stupid or maybe it’s just plain ignorance. You are probably a product of the sixties and that would explain everything!

everybody a product of something JD ~ in some case, the best part running down their mo ~~ I’m not going to say that !

L. Graham is right, ~ there is little focus in the tea party and it will not be sustained. But for now, they are real and fueled by political entertainers.

God, Country, Red White and Blue , mom and Apple pie is a very generic call to arms for all Americans and doesn’t begin to address the issues before us today. The Tea Party has attempted to make issues ~ that is true, but the commie or socialist fear is not playing in every theater and it won’t.

The Tea Party, as far as I can tell is made up of disenfranchised GOP members ~and understandably so. After 22 of the last 30 years of GOP leadership and we find us where we are at today. I’m annoyed as well.

They want to change the face of the GOP ~ which is a start! but it not the “face” of the GOP that’s causing us such great problems. It’s the special interest power structure behind the face that’s causing us such problems. ~ The Tea Party has yet to address this and for that reason alone ~ I can not support such a movement and see them as purely a rouse, a “feel good measure” for party faithfuls, a proxy for special interest ~ doing the dirty work the GOP can not openly do without showing their “hand” and true intentions.

ELLEN
shill
[n] a decoy who acts as an enthusiastic customer in order to stimulate the participation of others . ??

Norm. Do you know what “tea bagging” is? It is an elicit sex act. I resent you’re having used it to reference the Tea Party movement. The movement was specifically designed to bring the Reps back to where they need to be, and the Reps are (in their own way) becoming as elitist as the Dems and may need to be replaced as well as the Dems. My high school biology teacher once said “it is better for one to keep one’s mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt”. Take the hint.

Why didn’t you take your teachers’s advise!!!!!!!!

Johnathan,
Perhaps it is time to stop using that term, but let’s not forget how it started. According to the National Review;
“The first big day for this movement was Tax Day, April 15. And organizers had a gimmick. They asked people to send a tea bag to the Oval Office. One of the exhortations was “Tea Bag the Fools in D.C.” A protester was spotted with a sign saying, “Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You.” So, conservatives started it: started with this terminology. But others ran with it and ran with it.

It was both a convenient club with which to beat the movement as well as an example of what we might expect to see in the future. Soon we began to read slogans like “get a brain, you moran(sic)” “Right-Wing Extremists: #1,George Washington #2, Thomas Jefferson #3, Benjamine (sic) Franklin” and “Congress Shred Your Taxing Scholiast Policies NOT MY Constitutional Freedoms!” I guess this last person had issues with Congress placing notes in the margins. Add these and many other unintentionally amusing signs to the racially motivated signs and you get a pretty good idea of why we question the future (and the motivation) of this movement.

Perhaps Norm is a practitioner. Perhaps he’s even a student of Barney Frank.

Don’t use the term teabaggers, it means something totally different.
Look it up on google.

I guess your resume also includes some expertise on “Tea Bagging” does it?
You do seem to be pre-occupied with tthe term.

I want all you people to SHUT UP!! There is a question before us and it means something to our future, but all you can do is put each other down. Get a life for Pete’s sake, make meaningful comments or go away.

“specializating”, Norm? And you claim to have a masters degree?
Due to the fact that you have shown little intelligence in your comments, I suspect that you looked up that degree on the internet.
Liberals are liars, Norm, and I suspect that you are no exception.
If indeed you are telling the truth, you are an embarrassment to educated people, as your mind is closed like a steel trap.

Its the typical arrogance we’ve come to expect from lefty socialists.
They need to validate themselves somehow…they’re still a bunch of idiots though.

Spelling is not one of my strengths. I use spell check when I really care.
I am not surprised that you doubt my education. Closed minded, paranoid gun packers don’t believe much of anything.
Not only do I have bachelors and masters degrees, but my masters is from a very highly rated engineering school. Eat your heart out.
By the way I don’t need to lie to you. You frankly aren’t worth it.

Eat my heart out Norm? Surely you jest. A Liberal is the last person on this earth I would ever envy.
By the way, what happened to the accounting degree you claimed months ago? Not worth mentioning?

DaveH,
Thanks, I thought I was imagining things when I remembered that!!! He did claim that!!!

It isn’t that anyone doubts your education, it’s just that it is irrelevant to your having any knowledge of economics, morality, ethics, or general events of any kind other than those specific to your field. So…what’s your point?

DaveH
I never claimed an accounting degree because I don’t have one. I dislike accountants in general because they operate on a different wave length than engineers. Oddly, my son is an accountant.
My MS degree is from 1989 (night school) and was paid for by my employer. The course was computer engineering, and although a CS degree was awarded, was rich in EE courses.
I never was formally presented with Lisp, all of my software courses were in Pascal and Modula 2.
What about you Dave? What’s your background? Your love of the 1765 life style leads me to believe you like farming and hate science and engineering. Did you educate yourself? Why depend on anyone else.
I think you’re a sham who thinks he’s far cleverer than he really is.

What I am doing is exactly opposite of what the TP stands for…..REALLY???? Maybe he should think about siding with the team that is going to get lambasted in November. It makes me wonder why he is doing what he is doing….he knows the American majority does not want any of what the liberals are offering,yet he continues playing “water-boy” for the liberals. Maybe he is like Gore and will rake in millions from climate change legislation.

If Lindsay Graham had any thought about how the American people feel about the way this country is headed he would get his head out from between his legs, grow some gonads and start impeachment procedures against the socialist Kenyan enjoying destroying this country and stop telling people they don’t have it right. I spent too many years in the military having to take crap from people like him that thought they new what was best for everyone instead of gathering the information from all and then making a judgement. Retire Lindsay as you are as irresponsible an unbelievable as Spector and Leiberman

Only about twenty percent of the voting public identifies themselves as tea baggers so will need a lot of help from the normal people if you have any hope of reaching your dream! Good Luck!!!!!!!!!!

Smilee – you have your figures wrong:
“Scientific studies have reported the percentage of those whose sexual attraction is only towards the same sex are range from 4% to 7.5% for women and 7.7% to 13.95% for men with the averages being 9.37% for men and 4.87% for women.”

Feel sorry for you, such a stupid s response, unbelievable to normal people.

sorry I don’t follow your slam at me. But that’s ok – it is your style. You said the teabaggers – I thought you were being the rude one to the folks of the gay persuasion – and called other people normal. Who was being “stupid” – I don’t use the word myself – but since you brought it up.

smilee–libertytrain is one of the most sensible people on this blog. But I forgot, you do not appreciate common sense or logical thoughts.

Those who are using the term “Teabaggers” have some deep rooted sexual problems of their own. It’s probably just part of some larger character defects.

libertytrain says:
July 16, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Claire says:
July 17, 2010 at 12:44 am
JC says:
July 17, 2010 at 11:08 am

So you all understand in my book Tea Party Activists equal Tea Baggers as it does for most people until someone come up with this idiotic sexual conation and the term zI feel besrt fitting. Had you asked me, before you all shot your big mouths off I would have told you but you based your responses solely on spin and assumptions if you had not done so you would not have made yourselves look this foolish. Thus all your conclusions are totally incorrect too.

Smilee – You are free to think what you like – as are we.

Smelly,
I don’t understand your problem, all she did was correct you with the actual rates as per your idiotic post

smilee– So I have a big mouth. Hmmm. I looked in the mirror and it doesn’t look big. It looks like a mouth that speaks the truth and because I have always heard the truth can sometimes hurt, I can understand why you became upset.

Hit a nerve smilee?

Thanks, Randy ! I stand corrected…..

Now this is a post I can relate to. Nobody knows how big the total Tea Party membership is. At my last count, two weeks ago, there were 2068 separate Tea Parties in the US and I know of several that have been formed since.
The group I attend has between 150 and 200 members. Our goal is the total replacement of the Congress. We can get the House and 1/3 of the Senate this year and all we miss we’ll get next time.
We don’t attack the President. He is not half black he is half Arab. You can tell by the ears. All blacks have small ears set close to their head, depending on how much other blood is in their ancestry, but Arabs have large ears. Make the comparison with your black friends.

Obviously, I’m out of touch with whats going on … Thanks Wayne !