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"A Republic—If You Can Keep It"

June 18, 2010 by  

"A Republic—If You  Can Keep It"

At first I couldn’t believe my eyes.

In fact, I had to look away and blink a couple of times before reading the email again. But it still said the same thing: “Benjamin Franklin said, ‘We have given you a democratic-republic… if you can keep it.”

No, he didn’t!

I had to face the fact: A Straight Talk reader had fallen victim to 100 years of liberal brainwashing. What he said was such a gross perversion of the truth—and the difference is so incredibly important to preserving what liberties we have left—I hope you’ll indulge me in a brief history lesson this week.

If you remember much from your high school history classes about the founding of this country, you know there was a great deal of controversy about what type of government the newly independent states should create.

The first effort, the Articles of Confederation, was generally regarded as a failure. But what should replace them? Each state sent a group of representatives to meet in Philadelphia and hammer out a new agreement. The deliberations of the Constitutional Convention in 1787 were held in strict secrecy. Consequently, anxious citizens gathered outside Independence Hall when the proceedings ended, eager to learn what had been produced behind those closed doors.

As the delegates left the building, a Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got?”

With no hesitation, Franklin replied, “A republic, if you can keep it.” Not a democracy, not a democratic republic. But “a republic, if you can keep it.”

Over the past four decades I have recounted this story several hundred times. For many years I traveled the country giving speeches about the threats to this Republic. I always enjoyed the opportunity to talk to high school students when I could wrangle an invitation. When I did, I loved to tell them about the differences between a republic and a democracy.

“A lynch mob is democracy in action,” I would say. “While if you believe someone is innocent until proven guilty, that they deserve their day in court and that a jury of their peers should decide their fate, then you believe in a nation of laws, not just the whims of a mob.”

Another line I used a lot was, “Democracy is five wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. If you were the sheep, which would you rather live in—a republic or a democracy?”

I told them about the importance of “binding men down with the chains of a Constitution.” That this was the only sure way to protect their freedom. And that anyone who wanted to change this republic into a democracy was an enemy of liberty.

A century or two earlier there would have been no need to give such a talk—and no interest if one did. Back in the 18th and 19th centuries, every American who could read and write (and probably most of those who couldn’t), knew we were a republic. The campaign to brainwash us into believing we were a democracy didn’t begin until 100 years ago. Today, if you take a poll of high school or college students, the overwhelming majority will tell you that we are a democracy.

Please don’t dismiss this as a mere quarrel over semantics. Understanding the difference between the two systems of government is absolutely vital. I am not exaggerating when I tell you that our very liberties depend on getting more Americans to realize the importance of this seemingly arcane dispute.

Our Founding Fathers Feared And Hated Democracy
Most high school students who heard me say such a thing were surprised and shocked. They had been taught that the United States was, and had always been, a democracy. That “majority rule” was the fairest of all possible forms of government.
Who was this guy to tell them they’d been lied to?

So I quoted what some of our founding fathers had to say. I asked if they had heard of The Federalist Papers—the collection of articles written during the debate over ratifying the new constitution.

In Federalist No. 10, James Madison, often referred to as “the father of the Constitution,” had this to say:

“…democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they are violent in their deaths.”

Alexander Hamilton concurred. In a speech he gave in June 1788, urging ratification of the Constitution, he thundered:

“The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.”

Fisher Ames, a member of Congress during the eight years that George Washington was president, wrote an essay called “the Mire of Democracy.” In it, he said that the framers of the Constitution “intended our government should be a republic, which differs more widely from a democracy than a democracy from despotism.”

Yes, our founding fathers were well aware of the differences between a republic and a democracy. They revered the former; but as I said above, they hated and feared the latter.

In view of the founders’ ardent convictions, it is no surprise that you cannot find the word “democracy” anywhere in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the U.S. Indeed, the Constitution not only proclaimed that our Federal government should be a republic; it went further and mandated that “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a republican form of government.”

These principles used to be widely understood and commonly accepted. John Marshall, chief justice of the Supreme Court from 1801 until 1835, said that, “Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.” Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote that “democracy becomes a government of bullies tempered by editors.”

Nor was it only Americans who feared and despised democracy. Lord Acton, the famous Englishman who coined the aphorism that “power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely,” had this to say:

“The one prevailing evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority, or rather that party, not always the majority, that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections.”

It was only during the last century that the falsehood about this country being a democracy became widely accepted. Woodrow Wilson declared that we fought World War I “to make the world safe for democracy.” Franklin Roosevelt said that the U.S. “must be the great arsenal of democracy.”

So today, almost every schoolchild in America believes that the U.S. is a democracy. Why did the liberal intelligentsia in this country, supported by their slavish followers in the media and their docile puppets in politics, pull this “bait and switch” on us?

For the answer, let’s turn to another Englishman, Alexander Fraser Tytler, also known as Lord Woodhouselee, who wrote:

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.”

The only part of Mr. Tytler’s warning I’ll dispute is his use of the word “always.” You and I have been given the power to prevent our country’s descent into a democracy. It’s called the ballot box. Let’s hope enough of us use it this coming Nov. 2 to begin the process of taking our country back.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

—Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • gary

    We are in the house screwed. We are also near the end of it all.Two more years and Obama will put the finishing touches on what he has created for us. It aint gonna be pretty.

    • DaveH

      Obama is going down. His own party is slowly turning on him as are the MSM outlets. I praise him for revealing the Democrat agenda in a dramatic way before the citizens have been brainwashed enough to accept his agenda. Thank goodness. A few more decades of slow Government growth would have been more effective for the pro-Big-Government crowd.
      Now that we are awakening, those of us who have children and grandchildren need to get busy and reverse the propaganda educations that they have been receiving from the Public Schools. This is critical in our efforts to regain our Freedom. The Liberals knew that decades ago and have used it to their full advantage. Insist on voucher systems. Get the Government (especially the Federal Government) out of our children’s education.

      • George E

        I’m afraid that Obama can still do a lot of damage to our country by way of executive orders even if he no longer has majorities in the Congress after November.

      • DaveH

        We, the citizens, need to get that Executive Order business under control.
        We need to get our Government back to the concept of Separation of Powers that our Founders intended.

        This is dated, but still valid:
        http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=1217

      • George E

        Absolutely.

  • philip mccormack

    Ochlocracy-Is mob rule.
    I wish we had a true democracy not a republic. Democracy is not suffrage, it is not majority vote. So what is it? It is Supreme Power Vested in The people, upheld with Common Law Trial by Jury where egregious and unfair laws are eliminated by using the not guilty verdict. If you don’t believe me try getting a trial by jury fora tax case. If you really want to understand democracy go to campaignfordemocracy.org and you will find that Chip is poorly informed. First define Republic or we are in a house of Babel. Philip

    • Conservative at Birth

      I for one, do not choose to LIVE in a Democracy. And when the mob comes to my door to sieze my assets it will be met with a 12 Gauge shotgun. I will die a free man. Give me Liberty or Give me Death!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Leo

      philip mccormack

      You are VERY naive if you think that a democracy can avoid being hijacked by a bunch of smart people sooner or later. This is just a law of nature.

  • Robert

    When I was going to school the teachers always said we are a democracy, and I thought their right as do everyone else. But as I was reading this article I’m saying the pledge in my head and there it is Republic for which it stands, I never thought about it.
    Thank You

  • J.Micheal

    Finally, real conversation,being new to this site I wasn’t to impressed,just a bunch of Dem. bashers,first impressions,huh. This is food for the mind. The super-rich are manipulating everything(re: the Medici’s), and now we,ve become a nation controlled by WallStreet. We spin are wheels pointing fingers at each other instead of discussing the real issues. Point for conversation yesterday, Nixon created the E.P.A., the Clean Water Act and the Mammal/Marine Protection Act. Also,was a proponent of quality,affordable healthcare,so, so much for this being caused by Dems. Our political system has been shanghaied by the monied elite. The corporations that where created in this country and on the backs of the American people have bailed out and left us hanging. It’s easier to work in a corrupt country that doesn’t care about it’s people or it’s environment,and I’m not talking about getting your panties in a wad over a fish species or whatever,but people will complain about issues until they,one day happen to need them. Government oversite, once again uncorrupted, is needed to prevent occurances like the oil spill because corporations will cut corners for profit,naturally hoping for the best. Since Nixon,we’ve been told to get off of foreign oil, yet we’re still on it. Innovations have been around for quite some time and have been bought and shelved by the powers that be,GM,Ford,big oil,etc. We’ve been getting screwed and screwing ourselves for some time. Maybe with the truth and conversations like this one started by Chip and Anthony we can get there or get back there,either way we are in a crisis and inane scwabbling won’t cut it. Was going to unsubscribe, now I think I’ll hang around. And just what are they teaching the children in our schools these days? Anyway, Thanks.

    • http://google jamie newman

      I would like to address your last sentence comment, about what are they teaching kids in public schools? I taught public school for (3) MONTHS only! I thought I would have a heart-attack or stroke for sure I was so upset I cried everyday. Reason: They (Gov. thru the un-Constitutional, Dept. of Education) are teaching all children to be ALIKE, learning the same things at same levels, molding SECULAR ROBOTS that will go on to college for more progressive molding from marxist/socialist professors. Not to mention, Bush’s “No Child Left Behind Act” which cripples capacities of good TEACHERS and children alike. AYN Rand’s (sp:) Book “Atlas Shrugged” (witness to Fall of Russia) SAYs that the same things happened there, chilling was when she mentioned that the WORD, ROBOT, in Russian means: FORCED LABOR! Think about that hard. Think about a connection, that Andy Stern UNION BOSS-SEIU / Obama’s standing army = un-Constitutional) said (russian slogan/flag) “Workers Unite” this is straight from Communist Russia. I am telling you the truth, I have experienced this all (teaching to the test) Like someone else commented- follow the money!! Your VOTE does not Count, IT is there only to massage (public) perception. I do not believe America will have a truly Free election in November, especially now that Obama by (Executive Order) has declared WAR on the Gulf Oil Gusher Crises. Also, did anyone note, that at His First!! Address to the nation recently–NO FLAGS-ANYWHERE to be seen??? Read the history on “old glory.” America has always been under the WAR flag. The Gold-Fringed flag means court of admiralty law (on the water) You are guilty until proven innocent! Military law! All roads are military roads—LOOK it UP, PLEASE. Live Free or Die. Child Advocate and Teacher/Activist.

      • Airangel

        I never thought about what he actually said or the meaning of “declaring WAR” on the gulf crisis…the words went right over me since I usually tune his drivel out but good point!

      • DaveH

        I can only watch Urkel for a few minutes at a time. Then I must run to the restroom.

      • eddie47d

        What happened to your high standards? You use to be Mr common sense but lately your more of a clown. Welcome to Saturday Night Live!

      • DaveH

        Sorry Eddie, but I can’t get that image out of my mind whenever Obama speaks.
        Both my ex-wife and my brother are lifelong chronic liars. As a result, I can spot a smooth talker a mile away.

      • http://naver samurai

        Very funny! You suppose that Obama bin Laden said “Did I do that?” whenit came to the oil spill?

    • kate8

      JMichael, I think you fit in nicely here. Welcome aboard. Hope you will stick around.

  • gary

    THis is exactly why I continue to say that we need revolution or war to change the grip that a few have on this country. I do not believe for a minute that voting will save us from doom. I know we will all try to vote out the demons, but I am sure it will fail, because they will rig it that way. We will have on alternative but to take our country back by force. LIKE IT OR NOT. These people in control of the money and the government are not going to give up that easily. Bullets are the only thing that will stop them, and no I am not a radical or some kind of a nut. I have been watching this for years and always ends up the same. SAME [offensive word removed] DIFFERENT DAY. Ya all should wake up and keep a lot of power dry.

    • Leo

      gary

      Agree with you on that.

      Only violent destruction of the current imperial system which is masquerading as a democratic republic gives us a chance of starting anew.
      The system is inherently unstable because of the multiracial foundation. It cannot be avoided even if we would want to. But if we think of it we do not want to delay the detraction of the evil empire.

    • MichelleO

      Gary I agree completely, People we do need to arm ourselves and if forced to, fight to the death to take our country back

  • Conservative at Birth

    So many people in this country have chosen ingorance over knowledge and continue to vote for people who wish to enslave them. I have always considered one of each candidate for public office the lesser of two evils. We need candidates from the grass roots NOW. That is why the rise of common sense female candidates in the Rebublican Party is most encouraging. They are for the most part real everyday people. I certainly pray to God that they win their elections and are not corrupted by the system. A Constitutional Republic demands that it’s citizens be involed in the process. It is our duty and we must remain vigilent in it’s execution. When I was nine years old in the fifty’s, my mother was very involved in the Democrat Party. I argued with the adults during precinct meetings in our basement in Southwest Denver,Colorado, about Social Securtiy and the Socialist nature of the program. Of course I was out numbered and did not possess the vocabulary nor the ability to frame the arguments in an influential manner to influence any of them. I continue to debate any and all political subjects to this day. Unfortunately, most of our fellow citizens believe we live in a Democracy. I carry a pocket Constition/Declaration of Independence with me at all times, and challenge them to find one reference to Democracy. Most of them have never read either. Slowly but surely I am educating those who have an open mind. Maybe this November will be the start of a movement to regain our freedom. Maybe it will be the beginging of the next Revolution.

    • Dave

      Good luck with that. Where does it say in that constitution that a corporation is a person? Isn’t that a basic Republican principle? Sure maybe you can interpret something to that end but that just enforces the notion that the Constitution is open to interpretation. it doesn’t cover everything.

      • George E

        Dave,

        Take a look at this video: http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/. It will help you understand where many of us are coming from when we say our govenment is a republic not a democracy. Obviously, we do enjoy some democratic methods, like voting, which I don’t think anyone wants to do away with. However, the Constitution was partially constructed to establish a framework in which the majority had to operate. In a pure democracy there is no such legal framework, so the majority always rules, regardless. That’s what we want to avoid in this country, and I’m sure you agree with that goal.

      • DaveH

        Can a corporation cast a vote? I don’t think so.
        But they are composed of people. They are not just some lifeless entity.

      • eddie47d

        Kind of like Unions-composed of people,not just some lifeless entity.Unions are a part of corporations but unions don’t vote only it’s members do. Unions still have to answer to that corporation (which is fair). The corporations still end up with the power and the Supreme Court enhanced that.

      • George E

        Eddie,

        Didn’t the recent Supreme Court ruling just put corporations on the same footing as unions? Why shouldn’t companies not have the same rights as unions?

  • Rich Frank

    Convincing other countries to resort to a democratic government fits right in with the Bilderberg master plan. With the majority of the rest of the world with ‘democratic governments’, it becomes much easier for the Bilderberg group to get the US to fall in line. I am afraid that we have progressed so far along the route to the New World Order that it will take a major rebellion to change course in this country. Even with a major turnover in the elections this fall, it is necessary to do even more in 2012. GOD HELP US !!!

    • Dave

      Does anybody see the irony of electing people to stop a “democracy.” Some of your points are actually true but get lost in your further interpretation. What do you really think the Republicans are going to do? All I ever hear from the right against healthcare reform was “the majority of people don’t want it.” Well that’s BS because the government has to do what’s right for the country with the power given to them by the Constitution. Not through “mob rule.” The majority of the country may not have backed ending slavery but do you really think that shouldn’t have happened?

      • George E

        Elections do have consequences. That’s why so many people are upset today. They didn’t expect Obama and the Democrats to behave as they are behaving. They expected a liberal government, but not a socialist government. They expected the majority to drive the agenda, but not without some level of bi-partisan support. They didn’t expect the Democrats to push important legislation through without open debate and compromise, without even reading these bills first. They didn’t expect the Democrats to bend (and possibly break) laws and precedence in order to get legislation passed. While a majority of voters (apparently) voted for Obama and the Democrats in Congress, and they do have the power granted them by our Constitution, it is very unlikely that these politicians would get the support of a majority if a vote were taken today. Believing this, would you still think the Democrats should continue pushing unpopular legislation into law so long as they are in office? I don’t.

      • DaveH

        Dave,
        When the States signed on to the Union, the Constitution was the set of rules. The Constitution does not give the Federal Government the power to force a Heathcare system on the member states. If the Federal Government can not obey the rules then the States have every right to quit playing the game.
        In the case of the Healthcare Bill, it doesn’t matter if the citizens overwhelmingly supported it. It would still be Unconstitutional.

      • George E

        Dave,

        I like your argument, so long as the Supreme Court validates what you are saying. I’m not saying that I always agree with Supreme Court rulings, but if they say the health care reform law is constitutional it’ll be practically impossible to successfully argue it is not, I think.

      • DaveH

        George,
        If it was that cut and dried, there would be no such thing as 5-4 decisions.

      • George E

        Dave,

        That’s true, but the majority rules.

      • http://naver samurai

        100% agree! For God and country!

      • kate8

        DaveH, as I said earlier, and got chastised for, if every branch of government is stacked against the people and chooses to ignore the Constitution, and ignore those who bring challenges on Constitutional basis, what do we do then?

        The Supreme Court has become the last word. The branches were supposed to be equal, but they’ve become, indeed, supreme. And with lifetime appointments, it’s near impossible to change it.

      • DaveH

        One thing we can do is to not elect people who will allow Judges to be appointed that think the Constitution is a “living document”. That is the concept that supposes Judges ought to be able to interpret the Constitution based on what is best for modern society. If we allow that, there will be chaos. The judges are not elected by the people and they are not appointed to make their own laws (the practical effect of interpreting the Constitution as a “living document”).

      • kate8

        DaveH, that sounds good in theory, but reality being what it is, the game being rigged, WHAT ARE WE TO DO?

        Obama and the rest of the treasonous crowd are doing a lot of damage. They still have time to do a lot more. We can delude ourselves that we can still vote in good people, but is that really true? Who, honestly, is going to stand up to the likes of the Rothschilds and the NWO? They can’t, and survive.

        Increasing numbers of troops are now on US soil. Probably half of our own will side with the PTB. Law enforcement is being trained against the people. They are ready to confiscate firearms. FEMA camps are staffed and ready. They just await the declaration of martial law.

        I hate to sound doom and gloom, but we need to open our eyes and get off this “vote them out of office and all will be restored” idea. We need something much bigger than that. They NWO system is in place, and laws are already on the books to enforce it.

        SO WHAT’S THE PLAN, STAN?

      • DaveH

        Kate,
        Ron Paul does it all the time. It has been my experience having talked politics with a lot of people, that we are getting the Government that most people think they want. As long as people are conditioned to think that the Government is the solution to their problems, then nothing will change. But if the people make the necessary effort to learn that Big Government isn’t the solution and start voting for less of it, then all the spooky rich people aren’t going to be able to stop us.

      • Leo

        DaveH

        Ron Paul is allowed to be there only because he is alone.
        Monarchs often allow presence of one fool or jester at their courts. They make of him a lesson for everybody else and to demonstrate that they allow a dissent.

        Do not be delusional. They rigged the game and we cannot vote corrupt people out.

      • kate8

        Leo, thank you. That was pretty much the point I’ve been trying to make.

        Ron Paul, as good as he looks on the surface, is a Freemason. That makes him part of the “Brotherhood”.

        Plus, they allow “heros of the people” to emerge to give the illusion of promise, and to draw out the opposition. Notice that they never really have enough traction to anything but talk. There just seem to be never enough votes.

      • Leo

        kate8

        Actually I do not doubt that Ron Paul is 100% sincere.

        The establishment which has managed to turn a constitutional republic into an imperial oligarchy is just using him for its benefit.

        I am quite sure the establishment is placing the people who make contributions to Ron Paul, and similar, on a special list to eliminate or to send to a FEMA camp for reeducational vacation.

        After reading “Civil War II” by Thomas Chittum I have realized that the only hope of a real change is in a racial civil war which will hopefully destroy the establishment.

        p.152

        “There are, in theory, several scenarios for future of America. They are, in order of possibility of occurrence:

        1. A second Civil War, and subsequent partitioning of America into several new ethnically-based nations.

        2. Complete imperial conversion, and transformation of America into an undemocratic, multiethnic, poverty-stricken, third-world empire.

        3. The peaceful breakup of America into thee or more ethnically-based nations.

        4. America remaining intact by the will of the people, a possibility only if two conditions are met: (A) Reforms are instituted to turn over political power to the people and to permanently stop massive, institutionalized corruption that now permeates every phase of our government. (B) Massive and voluntary assimilation of various tribal groups.

        Unfortunately, the order of desirability of these scenarios is exactly the opposite of their likelihood of occurrence.”

      • Leo

        Ironically it means that the more illegals the better because the sooner we will have the civil war.

      • kate8

        LEO, Ron Paul may well be sincere. Either way, the result is the same.

        I am not ready to give up on our nation. All I’ve been saying is that people need to be able to see what it is we are up against. There is no such thing as a completely hopeless situation.

        The game is rigged to keep us from being able to effectively unite. Although blogs such as this are great for getting the word out, we need to do more than that. We need to organize and go on the offensive. We need to get back into the education system and have an effect on what is being taught. When necessary, we must engage in civil disobedience on a massive scale. But we need the support of one another, because it’s easier to be bold in numbers.

        God be with us.

  • J. Patrick Wills

    It was democracy that fostered slavery, followed by the ‘Klan horror .. then – violent reaction against civil rights. Today? .. continues with ” .. the torch having been passed”, i.e. the Kennedy/Obama (MohamMAD connection)’fix on social issues, that totally ignore our (“We the People”), republic founding (wit the recent congressman/cameraman -’hands-on’ public confrontation!) Let us not repeat history, but rather honor Franklin/founding fathers, by just: ” ..keeping it.”

    • Joe Downey

      Pat see the Maryland State Police are jailing a guy for taking a video of an undercover cop and posting it on teh Internet They call is wiretapping. Guess all those cases they “solve” with Close Curcuit Cameras are illegal wiretapping

    • eddie47d

      The Klan gave power to a few (themselves) to control the voices of many. So your analogy is lost.

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

    Democracy cuts both ways. The not-progressive Regressives are furious that the best organized mob in the Texas branch of our developing de-mob-ocracy is going to force ALL children in socialist (government owned) schools in to use textbooks they don’t like. When they lose, they do not like to be forced to march in lockstep with the winner either, but they asked for it. When they win, they are quite content that the only individual right in democracies is the right to vote.

  • James

    As pointed out, above, the Pledge of Allegance states: “…to the flag, and to the Republic for which it stands…” But there are only a few congressmen who refer to our nation as a republic. The basic difference between a democracy and a republic is that a republic is limited to the powers delegated to it in the constitution that created it, while a democracy has whatever power, a majority of the people agree to, or whatever Congress can force upon the people (e.g. Health Care, and, now, the endless war on “terrorism”). It has become painfully obvious that presidential appointees (the neo-con oligarchy) are the actual government in power. It should also be pointed out that there is no constitutional provision for the popular election of the president and vice-president, to go back to the electoral college provision would be a giant step in the right direction.

    • eddie47d

      So you want to deny certain people the right to vote. Been there done that! Giving every elligible American a voice is critical and voting is that important step that binds us in being somewhat equal.

      • George E

        Eddie,

        I think we should encourage every citizen to get involved in our political system. However, I don’t think everyone needs to vote, especially if they aren’t informed and won’t take the time and trouble to go vote. We’ve got a problem now with too many people who don’t pay taxes but are getting benefits from the government voting themselves more benefits, while the dwindling numbers of working people who pay for these benefits from current and future taxes continue getting the short end of the deal. This trend has got to be tempered soon, otherwise, our federal debt will completely overwhelm our ability to pay it. We’re just about there now.

      • kate8

        Eddie, sane people do not believe that the uniformed and uneducated, mentally impaired, those of illegal status, the incarcerated or the dead should vote.

        I realize that democrats rely on these votes to stay in power.

      • Airangel

        Kate – nicely put! Short and to the point!

      • DaveH

        If I designed the country, every adult would pay the same taxes. The ones who couldn’t pay due to hardship would be the ones who had to fill out forms explaining why. The rest of us could pay and go.
        Also, those people who couldn’t pay their share would not be able to vote until they did pay their share.
        Excluding ignorant people from voting may sound neat, but who would design the tests? It would be unworkable. In my arrogant opinion, if ignorance was a qualifier, there wouldn’t be many eligible voters.

      • Airangel

        I disagree to a certain extent DaveH…

        I believe in the same percentage say 10%…so if a blue collar worker makes $30,000 per year he pays 10 percent tax, if a CEO makes $300,000 per year, he also pays 10 percent. You can never expect the lower earners to be able to pay the same as executives or millionaires….also, I only think anyone earning a paycheck and paying taxes are allowed to vote on the issues of where the tax dollars are spent…if you don’t contribute to the system, you don’t have a say in how the money is spent…at time of voting be e-verified which can link to employer..

      • kate8

        DaveH, you do have a point. But it is also true that those who don’t pay attention to politics would not bother to vote if it weren’t for “get out the vote” campaigns, as those conducted by ACORN, where they round people up and offer them a carrot to vote as directed.

        Social Services registers voters when they come in to apply for welfare. Mental Health registers voters when they apply for help. These people have no real point of reference for how they vote. They are being manipulated.

        Voting should be left to those who care enough to inform themselves and to get to the polls. They should not be actively recruited, transported, and paid off for their votes.

        This would seem to me just common sense. It would work itself out.

      • George E

        Airangel,

        I’m pretty sure Dave would tell you that ideally the government shouldn’t tax anyone more than the amount a poor citizen could afford to pay. Anything more than that is too much.

      • George E

        In the past, citizens who were uninformed generally wouldn’t take the time and effort to go to the polls to vote. That provided a measure of protection that we no longer have since organizations like ACORN can “buy” these uninformed votes for $5 and a free ride to the polls. I don’t think anyone should be allowed to delegate their vote to anyone else like this. In any case, when you get too much of this type activity, elections can be thrown to candidates who may not be deemed by a majority of informed voters to be suitable for the job.

      • DaveH

        Close, George, but the beauty of everybody paying the same would be that with skin in the game, the voters would shrink the size of Government dramatically, so the taxes would go down naturally. As it is now, about half of the voters are voting for programs that they don’t have to pay for. And why not? They have nothing to lose. I probably wouldn’t bother thinking either if it wasn’t going to cost me anything (monetarily or otherwise).
        The irony here is that the people who are the most productive (the reason their pay is higher generally) get punished for that productivity with higher taxes. Talk about killing the Golden Goose.

        Besides that, for me it is a moral issue. They don’t ask you for an income statement at the grocery store before they price the groceries, do they? Why should some people pay more for their government? And on top of that, the people who pay the least, get the most. That is just plain wrong.

      • George E

        Dave,

        I like the way you think.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I always thought the solution to the tax problem, was close all the loopholes, and make it where if I go and buy an 800.00 fishing boat, I pay 12 to 15 percent tax, whatever they make it. But if John Kerry goes and buys a 4 million dollar yacht, he pays 12 to 15 percent. That would even the playing field. You pay for what you spend. No loopholes, period. That way those loaded with cash, if they chose to live high off the hog and have 3 houses at 4 million each, they can pay the taxes. If I own my one house, I pay the tax. I pay the tax on my CRV, they pay the tax on their Rolls Royce. I find that fair. Nobody is forcing them to buy that 4 million dollar yacht. Its their choice.

      • eddie47d

        Can’t you read elligable voter. So why the goofey tirade?

      • http://naver samurai

        Well said Kate! Keep up the good work and God bless you!

      • James

        Eddie47d, I agree that voting is important, but you missed the point. Read Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 (U.S. Constitution) which provides for the President and Vice-President to be elected by an Electoral College. This was clarified by the Twelfth Amendment (1804) but didn’t change that. Originally, Senators were elected by state legislatures (Art. I, Sec.3, Cl. 1), this was changed by the Seventeenth Amendment (1913) to a popular election.
        Also, the above ‘James’ entry about the sky not falling, is not mine. In my opinion the United States is more vulnerable now than ever.

  • Dennis

    Great article!!!! We have been brain washed by those in power for way to long. The educators in this country only teach waht the “guvment” will allow them to teach, so we see the power of those that are in charge. Yes America is a republic, and yes I believe this “republic” is under seige by obama and the dems. I really think if we do not regain controll of the “guvment”, then we will go to a dictatorship. I remember one of obam’s people on “Face The Nation” when she made the statement that “his rule will began on 1/20/09″. we can now see the results of that “rule” and if you look past ones nose, see where we are headed in short order.

    • Dave

      Do you really think all of these problems are caused by Obama and Democrats. Obama has had less than 2 years in office. How could he possibly have caused all of these problems you speak of. You are being brainwashed by the right to think all of the problems that our country has are due to one man and one party. Don’t believe the hype. Stop being angry that a black “liberal” was elected. Do you really think there was ANY time in this country that was perfect? Did we really have a “good old days” when America was infalable and id no wrong and was perfect?

      • Da Norseman

        You’ve got to remember that the Dems are controlled by those clowns Pelosi and Reid as well.

      • Claire

        Da Norseman–Pelosi is the president. She is running the show and she acts the part.

      • kate8

        She certainly thinks she is running things. Maybe she is.

        She has also surpassed Hillary as the most detested woman in the country.

      • Claire

        kate8–I have always thought Pelosi was ramrodding things. It is her mannerisms, the way she talks. She really acts like she is the Queen Bee.

      • http://naver samurai

        Just like Hillary did when her husband was president.

      • Claire

        samurai–I agree. Hillary was the president, not Bill. I often thought that when he was in office.

      • kate8

        Bill Clinton could only think with his little brain. He was, and is, a buffoon.

      • DaveH

        Actually, Dave, the Democrats have controlled the Congress for 44 out of the last 66 years. And the Republicans have controlled Congress for only 12 of the last 64 years. Control was split between the two parties for 10 of those 64 years.
        Congress is supposed to be the law making body, albeit the presidents have been usurping an increasing amount of legislative power over the years (unconstitutionally).

      • DaveH

        64 was meant to be changed to 66 in all occurances.

      • bp

        Yes, Dave, the 1950′s! When men were men and women were women, children were taught to respect their parents, and the family was responsible for nurturing children. Those were the good old days!

      • Claire

        bp–I grew up in the 50s. Now that I am older, I often look back and think about how wonderful the family unit was back then. We ate every meal together, and I was taught not to waste food. I was taught to be thankful for what I had and not to envy others that had more in the way of material things. And we were poor, very poor.
        I was taught to be my own person, to have self-control (where did that go, lol) and learn from my mistakes. As a kid I was taught to have respect for others, myself, and the world in general. I was taught to have manners, to respect my elders, never to lie and cheat, and do my homework. I was taught to work hard and I did work hard. Living on a farm I had plenty of chores. I had rules to follow and discipline. I thank God for the Mother I had. I think of her every day.
        I had good teachers back then, the schools I went to taught history like it should be taught. When I graduated from 8th grade, I had to pass a test on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, just as I had to do when I graduated from high school. Then in the 60s and early 70s as I raised my two children, I tried to follow the same examples. I sent my kids to a Lutheran school so that they could be taught history and all the other subjects like I was taught. The public schools at the time scared me. They were not what I approved of.
        I look back and I can see the steady decline of a lot that was good regarding family life. It is a totally different world now.
        The government is out of control and we are paying the piper for the havoc they are wreaking and have been wreaking for years. I hate to see this, it makes me angry. I am concerned for my kids even yet, and my grandchildren.

      • kate8

        Yes, Claire, the corruption of our children has been deliberate.

        I long for the way people used to think, too. The way we held together as families, raised respectful and honorable children. My dad was a good, honest man, and I so looked up to him. His values I carry within me still.

        We were poor, also, but didn’t know we were poor. We had everything we needed. Dad raised most of our food, and what we didn’t have, like a cow for milk, we got from our neighbor.

        You could trust people back then. One’s good name was valued above everything else.

        If we could just get back to a few principles (Ten Commandments?) we could turn this mess around.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Before Gloria Steinem came on the scene and gave women a black eye that they continue to wear today.

      • libertytrain

        I wonder if it was all some sort of conspiracy to get all women working, price of oil went up (at this same time frame) causing all services like gas, electric, etc. to rise meaning women had to work and then as they worked, everyone bought more — became a really vicious circle didn’t it. Oh, for the days that haven’t been since about 1967 -

      • JC

        Obama didn’t “cause” the globalist agenda.
        But he is taking it farther, faster than any previous President.
        And why should he care? He’s not even an Amnerican.
        He wants us infidels dead and he’s doing it the best way he
        knows how…

      • JC

        American…yes I can spell it. ;)

      • kate8

        JC, I think that’s pretty much it in a nutshell.

  • James

    The country has survived 230+ years as a republic with all its faults, some more egregious than others. The sky is not falling. Unfortunately, due in part to the two party system our laws and policies lurch from one extreme to the other. But polls indicate that support for both parties in elections seems to hover between 45 and 55%. I agree that we are currently facing many challenging issues but the sky is not falling any more than it was during previous difficult times (and none were worse than the Bush/Cheney years which set the stage for the current state of affairs).

    • Dagney

      You must go back to the Carter and Clinton years to see where the stage was actually set for the current economic crisis began. You know “Community Reinvestment Act”? That crisis began with Carter, put on steriods by Clinton, that enabled the BO regime to “not let a good crisis go to waste”. Bush however, fool that he was, started the redistribution on steroids. However stupid that was, I don’t get the impression it was his intention to set this current regime up pretty for a financial takeover. I think something happened that spooked him. Something happened, and I think the date was September 18, 2008. Anyone else know what I’m referring to? I’ve read somewhere there was some sort of electronic bank run that spooked the administration causing TARP to be born. I imagine Soros was somehow behind it and it set up a beautiful October surprise to ensure the statist was elected. I’d be interested to read what anyone else knows about this? Or, is my recollection completely off-base?

      • George E

        I think you’re on to something.

  • Pat

    Our political leaders act as if we are a Democracy. If we do not vote them out, they will push us into a Dictatorship soon. If they get in now and in 2012 they will literally shread the Constitution, even more than they have shreaded it figuratively.

    They are attacking all the foundations of our Republic, such as Religion and the Founding Fathers and buying and bribeing everything and everybody. When they have enough of it they will pull the noose tight and we will be giving all to them and they will give nothing to us.

    • Dave

      Can I just ask where in the definition of Republic does it say anything about Religion? Can you PLEASE drop the religion thing. Just because it says Under God does not mean we were meant to be a country based on religion. At the the most we were supposed to have basic religious values which are basic to humanity and to all religions. Though shalt not kill is not a Christian idea. The foudning fathers were religious partly because science hadn’t matured yet and it was a sign of the times. They didn’t intend for the country to be a theocratic Republic.

      • http://www.HealthyForLifeWith.USANA.com Richard

        Dave – The founding fathers were not religious men. They were Christians. And they were not Christians because science had not matured yet.
        They did not “believe in religion”. They believed in God.
        I’m not asking you to believe in God, but I would like for you to go to a Christian friend and tell him to explain to you the difference between religion and relationship with Christ. Until the day that you understand this very important difference, you will neither understand the founding fathers nor today’s Christians, and I suspect that it is important to you to understand us.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Very good post Richard. I as a Christian, can recognize and know for a fact that if our leaders were Christians, we wouldnt have rampant corruption in our government, and we wouldnt have leaders doing for themselves and their pocketbooks, rather they would be doing for others, as Jesus Christ did when He came for us. He didnt come to gain a thing, He came to serve us, and gave up His earthly life for us, and took a beating no one has even taken for all of us. If our leaders embraced Christian principles, of putting others first, giving of yourselves for others, and doing what is right in God’s eyes instead of what is right for their bank accounts, can you imagine what a wonderful place this would be to live? Thats where Im going next, and its called Heaven. On earth, wherever you have large amounts of money, you are going to have large amounts of corruption and people fighting over it, and that is all most of todays politicians are interested in, is fighting over the money and padding their and their friends accounts. Satan is truly laughing with delight, as he has all these lawyers doing his dirty deeds for him. But unless you know Jesus, most dont see the true picture of how it is, and of how it could be. You will have the haters that go back to the dark ages and call that Christians, but that is like calling a person in Germany today a Hitler Nazi. Its not that way.

      • http://naver samurai

        How about you drop the religion thing? It seems that you and TGoodreau are the only ones offended by mentioning God, Jesus, Christianity, you athiest morons! Stop bashing what our founding fathers put into the creating of this country and go to church. Sit down and talk with the pastor, he may just clear out those athiest cobwebs inside your head.

      • Leo

        Founders wanted all religions to be a personal matter because they were educated people and knew that the most oppressive societies were the religious ones. The did not want to live in a theocracy. Christian or Muslim.

      • http://naver samurai

        I’ll agree with you about islam, but christianity isn’t an oppressive religion. Read the Bible to find out. Remember, a nation that goes against the will of God will be punished in some way, shape, or form. Maybe Obama bin Laden is a punishment from God?

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  • Peyton Johnston

    Thank you Anthony.You are correct on every point,as far as I can see.There is no difference between Democrats and Republicians,which is why I switched to Independent years ago.They have nearly all Americans believing we are a Democracy,and even most countries.I’am so totally sick of this entire government.Bad times are coming,and everyone should get ready for it.

  • Daniel Ledger

    Amen, and we are still ONE NATION UNDER GOD !!!

    • TGoodreau

      Daniel,

      Actually I prefer the original…One Nation, Indivisible…

      Religion divides us! Our constitution unites us!

      • TGoodreau

        Sorry,

        “Constitution” should always be capitalized.

        Long live the republic!

      • http://naver samurai

        How can you just forget God? It is the christian aspect of freedom that our founding fathers built this nation, based our laws on the 10 Commandments, and put their christian beliefs into everything dealing with this country. For example, schools are supposed to teach religion and and keep students from praying. Look at the Northwest Ordinance of 1789 to find what I’m saying is true. You can’t be a good American if you are an athiest. Not believing in God is just like ripping out the heart and soul of this nation. Read before you post. For God and country!

      • Smilee

        Who said he forgot GOD? The constitution defines the relationship between government and religion, you have it all wrong in your post.

      • http://naver samurai

        Remember frownlee, it is said one nation, under God for a reason. Stay off of the sites and let the educated ones speak here, moron!

      • George E

        I can’t see how anyone would be offended by the term “under God”, except for atheists, but since they are just a tiny portion of our population, that shouldn’t be an issue, I don’t think.

      • hflashman

        Well George, that depends on whose god you’re talking about doesn’t it? Your god, my god, the neighbor’s god? Or would it be the gods of the guy two blocks over? Gotta be specific if you’re going to try and apply a generalization.

        Jeesh….any sanction by government of any religion gives that speific religion implied State support…and you can ask the Irish what occurs when that comes about.

      • George E

        I don’t buy that argument because the term “God” is pretty generic. Would you feel any better if the term “Supreme being” was substituted? All religions believe in some higher power, I believe, so I don’t see how the use of a term like that would offend anyone other than atheists.

      • http://naver samurai

        So I guess we support Christianity due to Bush passing the Faith Based Initiatives Act? As long as we don’t do like England and have an official religion, or forced to worship in a certain way and time (Like the stupid muslims) we are not violating the separation of church and state. Get off of the kool aid and read the Constitution before you post!

      • George E

        Samurai,

        This discussion is getting kind of old, but I’ll try one more time. Endorsement of the word “God” in our government is not an endorsement of any religion since they all, except atheists, believe in a god or a supreme being. Finally, the Constitution does not require separation of church and state. However, it also does not endorse any particular religion. So, the use of generic religious terms like “God” does not indicate that our government is endorsing any particular religion, but is endorsing the concept of a higher being which is endorsed by all religions. If you interpret this term to mean Christian God, then that’s your interpretation, not necessarily everyones.

      • DaveH

        I could care less about the words “under God” as long as the religious people don’t try to force me their religion on me (like the Muslims do).
        Religion is a lot like Liberalism. They are both easy to grasp because they present Hopes and Dreams that we all desire. The Religious Hopes and Dreams are for the after life and the Liberal Hopes and Dreams are for the present life.
        Reality is a lot tougher sell. Getting along with your fellow human beings is reality. I believe that the best pathway to that goal is to get back to voluntary contracts and choices. Neither the left nor the right seems to recognize that these days. We must respect peoples’ right to control their own bodies and their own property. Otherwise we will continue to be in this perpetual battle for control using the Government as our Bully Boys.

      • TGoodreau

        I am not offended, its the principal.
        I’m for government neutrality, which is what our Constitution defines.

        I don’t like making assumptions of how people think, so I’ll ask, are you implying that as long as one believes in some god, that would meet your aproval but somehow an atheist would not?

        For if so, I’ll repeat “religion divides”.

        BTW I consider myself a Deist much like many of the “founding fathers” who had the wisdom to aknowledge that anybody trying to speak for God is probably not worth listening to.

      • http://naver samurai

        Most pf our founding fathers were diests? What kind of lie is that? The only one specifically designated as a diest was Thomas Jefferson, you moron! Give me a list of all of them that were diests and I match your list with those that were Christian. Guaranteed I’ll win.

      • DaveH

        Here is a website that may help this debate:
        http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/qtable.htm

      • DaveH
      • http://naver samurai

        Thanks Dave! That helped to prove my point.

      • TGoodreau

        Way to go George,
        Thats how you denigrate and marginalize someone with a belief not your own!

      • George E

        Huh? Want to pass that one by me again?

      • TGoodreau

        George,
        I was commenting on your previous post about how you stated
        that
        “No one except maybe atheists may be offended” and you continued with “but they are such a small number they shouldn’t matter”

        I may have misquoted your exact words here but the gist is the same,
        did I read that wrong?
        If I were an atheist I would consider you to be marginalizing and denigrating my beliefs or lack thereof, though as I have previously stated I am a Deist.

      • George E

        TGoodreau,

        Sorry, but I read your response in a hurry so I didn’t understand what you were saying. I understand now. Thanks for clarifying.

        I guess this raises an interesting question. Should we not do anything that offends a minority, regardless how small that minority is? In this case, it’s my understanding that atheists represent less than 5% of the American public. So, should we drop the word “God” from our pledge of allegiance and other government documents because it offends 5% of our public? What if dropping this reference offends the other 95% of the public? At what point should the majority not yield to the wishes of the minority? Personally, I’m willing to compromise to try to get along, but there is a limit because I don’t think we should offend the majority to satisfy the minority.

      • http://naver samurai

        Sorry dude, but the ways of deism died out a long time ago. Where have you been? If you are, tell me your definition. Be warned, I have Noah Websters dictionary and some great history books at my fingertips.

      • libertytrain

        George excellent points – when do we decide the majority has lost all its rights in favor of a minuscule minority?

      • George E

        libertytrain,

        I think it has already happened in many cases. We’ve been trained to be sensitive to the rights and preferences of the minority. Because we’re a compassionate and caring people, we have let these folks convince us that we’re selfish and self-centered if we don’t let the minority rule……so long as it’s a minority they care about. When you back off and look at this, common sense tells me that the majority should attempt to accommodate the minority for harmonys sake, when the minority is at least 20% of the population, but not yield to the minority on issues the majority really cares about. When the minority is less than 10%, they probably ought to be ignored. At that point, it should be up to the minority to accommodate the majority. In the past, I think this was pretty much understood, but in recent times we’re supposed to bend to the will of very small groups like 1) gays who want us to legalize same sex marriage, and 2) atheists who want us to drop all references to God from our government. This is insanity in my opinion.

      • libertytrain

        George – again you are right – it’s been happening steadily since the 60′s and little things like Christmas songs, Christmas in general, the things you mentioned – so much done to cater to a small minority of people rather than the majority of people. Which in effect has caused the majority to lose so many rights -

      • George E

        libertytrain,

        Yes. It’s one thing for the majority to consider the preferences of the minority and try to accommodate them, but it’s entirely another for the minority to run rough shod over the majority to get what they want. That’s where we are today, unfortunately, and they are using our legal system as their willing accomplice. This won’t have a pretty ending if it isn’t controlled.

      • kate8

        TG, the mention of God is NOT the same as religion. “God” simply acknowleges that we are subject and accountable to a higher, all-knowing, providencial power. Most people still believe in such a power, regardless of how they interpret It.

        If you happen to be atheist, you can just not state the words “under God” if you so choose. It was never intended to force anyone to believe in anything. To those who do, it is a powerful affirmation.

      • kate8

        Besides, if one does not believe there is a higher power, then that means that we are wholly and solely subject to the whims of fallable (and most often greed and power-driven) humans.

        You prefer that idea?

      • DaveH

        I don’t prefer it, I just don’t believe there is a God. I believe that “God” was made in man’s image, probably to use as a tool by leaders to control the masses. While I do believe in most of the morality of religion, I don’t believe that the threat of a higher power is necessary to convince people to be respectful of their fellow human beings.

      • TGoodreau

        Kate,
        I do appreciate your polite position. But aren’t we already subject to all that you’ve stated.

        I consider it an obligation of men and women of courage and honor (not necessarily religious) to step up and oppose those of lesser character and defend the weak etc etc.

        Regrading you previous post, I find your position concerning.
        Doesn’t it say “with liberty and Justice for all”, shall we add at the end, but for any atheists out there just skip the part about God, because we think you shouldn’t be offended.

        I don’t mean to be too sarcastic but its got to be all inclusive, not just for the God believers.

      • kate8

        DaveH, as for myself, I do not consider a higher power “a threat”. I consider it the very source and essence of Life.

      • kate8

        DaveH, I agree that religion was devised as a tool, but to deny that there is something greater than ourselves, of which we are all a part, relegates us to insignificance, and the universe to nothing but a mechanical system of rocks and gasses.

        To anyone who has experienced the touch of the “supernatural”, there is no doubt that there something that is, at once, at one with the physical and also much more than the physical.

        It is true that man has assigned to God certain qualities and certain roles. When we can let go of the “God” created by our limited understanding, something quite beyond that begins to emerge.

        Our founding fathers spoke of Divine Providence many times, and attributed their success to supernatural intervention. Again, today, I just don’t see how we can hope to rise above the mess in which we find ourselves without that same Help from the Unexplainable.

      • http://naver samurai

        Dave and TGoodreau are athiest commie trash that should just be taken out to the curb and disposed of.

      • DaveH

        That’s nice, spoken like a true God-Fearing man. You are giving a bad name to Religious people, Samurai.

      • bp

        TGoodreau; Rewriting the Pledge of Allegiance?! We are one nation UNDER GOD, that is the Christian GOD Jehovah. Love it or leave it!

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        TO: TGOODREAU, I WISH TO QUOTE,THIS IS FROM GEORGE WASHINGTONS FAREWELL ADDRESS,”OF ALL THE DISPOSITIONS AND HABITS WHICH LEAD TO POLITICAL PROSPERITY,RELIGION AND MORALITY ARE INDISPENSABLE SUPPORTS,IN VAIN WOULD THAT MAN CLAIM THE TRIBUTE OF PATRIOTISM,WHO SHOULD LABOR TO SUBVERT THESE GREAT PILLARS OF HUMAN HAPPINESS,THESE FIRMEST PROPS OF THE DUTIES OF MEN AND CITIZENS….LET IT SIMPLY BE ASKED,WHERE IS THE SECURITY FOR PROPERTY,FOR REPUTATION,FOR LIFE,IF THE SENSE OF RELIGIOUS OBLIGATION DESERT THE OATHS WHICH ARE THE INSTRUMENTS OF INVESTIGATION IN COURTS OF JUSTICE? AND LET US WITH CAUTION INDULGE THE SUPPOSITION THAT MORALITY CAN BE MAINTAINED WITHOUT RELIGION.WHATEVER MAY BE CONCEDED TO THE INFLUENCE OF REFINED EDUCATION…REASON AND EXPERIENCE BOTH FORBID US TO EXPECT THAT NATIONAL MORALITY CAN PREVAIL IN EXCLUSION OF RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLE.” MY POINT IS RELIGION IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF GOVERNMENT FOR WHEN GODLESS PEOPLE GOVERN THEY WILL BE GODLESS TYRANTS FOR THEY ARE TRULY ABOVE THE LAWS THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON LIVES BY,WHEN THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY,SWEAR ON THE BIBLE,SO HELP ME GOD,THAT AFFIRMS JUST WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS HAD IN MIND,BUT IF YOU DOUBT ME ,PLEASE LOOK IT UP YOURSELF,HAVE A GREAT DAY,AND MY GOD BLESS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ALWAYS.

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        CORRECTION,MAY GOD BLESS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,NOT MY.

      • http://naver samurai

        For God and country!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        But in the end, there is only one God, the Lord Jesus Christ, that all men will bow down to, to give an account of themselves. And He is the only living God. The rest of them all are still in their graves, and if you dig them up, there they still are. Except Him. The only Living One.

    • TGoodreau

      I realize that this string went a bit off topic, so let me try and bring it round full circle.

      A democracy without any Consitutional boundaries, would allow a mojority vote to institutionalize Religious law to be the law of the land. Even if that set of laws is not believed in by a minority (large or small doens’t matter)
      These laws would most certainly discriminate against those minorities, but hey majority rules in a pure democracy right!

      While a Constitutional Republic (At least the US Constitution)
      required to protect certain inalienable rights from being violated. Hence the coined phrase “To protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority” or some such.

      • kate8

        TG, we are now suffering from the “tyranny of minority”.

        Think about it.

      • kate8

        That was supposed to be “tyranny of the minority”.

        On so many levels.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are so right. When things are done that a few want, yet 90 percent dont want, then we have a problem. This is what is going on now with all this stupid political correctness and tolerance baloney. Just because a few liberals want to protect terrorists that were caught trying to kill us, they take our tax dollars, give them lawyers, and then prosecute our soldiers who were putting their lives on the line to protect us. This is wrong on so many levels. This liberalism is Anti American, anti-common sense, anti-smart, and just wrong on every level possible. Meanwhile, our enemies laugh at us for being so stupid doing this, and it emboldens them to come after us harder. How did it come to be, that such stupid anti American people were elevated to running things in this country, when they dont give a damn about it? How?

      • George E

        TGoodreau,

        Yes, the minority should be protected against the tyranny of the majority when that occurs. Likewise, the majority should be protected against the tyranny of the minority as well. I feel like we face tyranny from the minority a lot today given our leaning toward political correctness, and deep concern for protecting the rights of the minority.

      • http://naver samurai

        Get off of the liberal crack, it is frying your little brain!

      • George E

        Do you read these posts before making smart ass comments?

      • http://naver samurai

        Do you?

      • Claire

        George E and samurai–Do not be aggravated with each other. We are all in the same mess together. Basically, we all want the same solutions to the problems of America and all Americans. You both are honest and decent Americans. For what it is worth I always make a point to read your posts (both of you) as well as the regulars on this site. I respect the opinions of both of you as well as the regulars. At the risk of sounding sentimental, I will be on this blog a year September 12th and I am grateful to have discussions like we have. I have learned a lot from all of you and I respect that factor.

      • George E

        Claire – thanks for the encouragement.

        Samurai – I’ll apologize for smarting off. However, I don’t like it when people call me a liberal. I’ll stack up my conservative ideals and credentials against anyone’s. It also aggravated me when you called DaveH and TGoodreau “atheist commie trash”. That’s uncalled for on this site. These fellows have been participating in a civilized discussion with me, and I don’t like it when you cast dispersions like that at them. If you can’t tolerate anyone who differs with you on topics like religion, I suggest you find another site where like-minded people participate. As far as I know, this site encourages people with a wide variety of views. If I’m mistaken on that, maybe I should move on.

      • DaveH

        Thank you, George.

  • Dave

    This is what happens with one party rule of. The Dems realize they are going to get crushed this Nov. They are hoping that all this non-sense they are passing will stick…like social security stuck. I like many others will not forget what these people in elective office have done to this country. In November I will make my voice heard.

    • Al Sieber

      In November I’ll make my voice heard too, but is it gonna be, just vote for the lesser of 2-evils? would you just for once like to vote for someone you really liked? Polititions have a way of creating a problem and coming up with a solution. this Nov. is our last shot at taking back our country but, I can’t help but think anything can happen between now and then.

      • Dagney

        Don’t forget the time period between November and when the new Senate & Congress are seated. You will see the lame-duck creeps shove through so much anti-American crap, your head will spin.

      • TIME

        Hey Al, your in AZ right?

        Whats going on with barryo giving a large chunk of AZ back to Mexico.
        I hear that its a very large area that extends from the border way past Tucson to the north and on the west side of Tucson and almost over the the Calie border .

        Any info about whats going on out your way?

      • DaveH

        That would definitely be unconstitutional. Where did you see that, Time?

      • Airangel

        http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/06/united-states-c.html

        It’s 3500 acres of Park land that used to be for hiking and ATV’s, now they post American Citizens to stay off or get shot…80 miles from Tucons

      • DaveH

        Pardon my language, but that is un-f’n-believable. Here we are wasting our soldiers and resources trying to rebuild countries that will just revert back to barbarism as soon as we leave, but we don’t have the resources to turn back the illegals.

      • Claire

        DaveH–Your words are very true.

      • Airangel

        I know DaveH….My little brother is in Afghan as we speak losing Soldiers in his unit…more in the past two weeks than the year he’s been there and we succumb to these lawbreaking, illegal, drug and human smuggling, raping, murdering b*st*rds and for that ILL behavior, we reward them with Arizona land just because we don’t have the balls to force them off!!!! Now Hillary Clinton tells Equador that the Feds are going to sue AZ on this SB1070 law…I am beyond MAD!

      • DaveH

        I’m sorry to hear that Airangel. I hope all goes well with your brother.

      • bp

        With the news of action by the DOJ against Arizona re:illegal resident aliens (not immigrants)my question is: Why? What is the upside, in their view? Never mind their responsibility to protect our borders, or a State. What is their purpose? Anyone?

      • JC

        Does your brother know about this BS Angel? Tell him.

      • DaveH

        BP,
        I believe Obama and crew are trying to create a crisis that will lead to him declaring Martial Law. Hopefully, I am wrong, but it sure looks that way.

      • Al Sieber

        Time, just got done working. that would be the Buenos Aires wild life refuge, I think for birds. I worked there in the 1980′s, scary at night. the Mexican drug lords and smugglers took it over and we’re warned to stay out, there’s signs all over the place, and the president does nothing. we’re a occupied state in that area and all along the border. the Fed. Govt. is filing a lawsuit aganist the state of Ariz.

      • kate8

        If our government was serious about the illegal invasion, they’d have sealed the border long ago. As for the occupied land in AZ, they’d send in troops and kick them out. This is absurd.

        Cede a little land here, another bit there, maybe some over here. Pretty soon Mexico has a good foothold on our soil, maybe a war breaks out among the people. Maybe Americans just pack up and leave, and Mexico gets it by default.

        I think things are being set up on many fronts for the declaration of martial law. It’s just a matter of which one comes to a head first.

      • airangel

        JC – believe me I will tell my brother and give him an earful…right now I just pray for his safe exit tomorrow on Father’s Day. It will take him 3 days enroute to get home. His father lives in AZ and I don’t think he’s aware of what’s going on in AZ but if I know him…he will be just as mad. I don’t feel he believes we belong in Afghan..he has not told me because he tries to be strong for his men but I caught him breaking down and crying when he was on leave 6 months ago (he doesn’t know I witnessed it, he has his pride)…he has told me the way these people fight plays with our soldier’s mind…it is a mans inherit wiring to want to protect a child or pregnant woman, so to have to deal with suicide bombers that would send defenseless children and women with bombs strapped to them is mind boggling..they have to get hard to lock the emotions out…but believe me, he will be mad to lose so many in his unit for this so called “legit” president who in my opinion is committing Treason by aiding and giving comfort to the enemy (the Drug Cartel)

        Article III, Section 3 says “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort…I know other President’s since Reagan have granted Amnesty but I would think if they give them these 3 county’s in AZ (3500 acres) to known enemies murdering American Citizens knowing they are creating “cases of Rebellion or Invasion concerning the Public Safety of Citizens” Section 9 of Constitution.

        Also what about housing and giving comfort to the known terrorists ‘Hamas Palestinians’? Impeach seems to be building against this regime with the Health Care bill, the bribes, etc.

      • JC

        Angel, hopefully your brother will keep fighting the good fight when he gets home. He needs to tell the other troops what is going on too.
        I wish him and everyone there the best and a safe return.
        (I have a brother in law over there too)

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Obama and the dems dont want to turn them back. They want the hispanic vote, and they are going to get it by siding with them. They turn a blind eye to it, and even chastize Arizona for taking a stand that the federal government has been afraid to take, all in the ways of political correctness. These same stupid gringo’s in power wont feel that way, when the Mexican border starts getting up into Oklahoma and Tennesee and spreading, and all their rights are taken away. Its coming. I guarantee you, they wont be as tolerant of you, and your being to them. Dummies.

    • Dave

      And you’ll vote in Republicans? Good luck with that. It’s funny how they remove services and lower taxes for the wealthy and cause economic mayhem and then the Democrat get called in to fix it. The Democrats make the hard decisions and take a licking for it and the cycle continues. Our biggest problem in this country is the 2 party system.

      • George E

        In recent years, I haven’t seen the Democrats fix anything? Have you?

      • Carl

        If the problem is a two party system, and I agree it is, then why don’t you all vote for Libertarians or Constitutional Party members instead? I voted for a third party presidential candidate in 2008 because I didn’t care for either Obama or McCain. If more people will stop saying it is a wasted vote and just vote for candidates outside the Republican and Democrat parties those candidates can be elected.

      • George E

        When 3rd party candidates can get their poll numbers to competitive levels prior to an election, then voting for them “might” make sense. Otherwise, a vote for them gets you just about the same as not voting or a vote for the winner of the other two parties.

      • DaveH

        Kind of like the question “Which came first, the chicken or the egg?”.

        If we don’t start voting for them, then their numbers won’t grow, will they?
        If the last 22 years haven’t been a wake-up call, then I guess we’re doomed.
        I will vote Libertarian until the cows come home (about 20 more years for me). They are the only Party that understands what Government’s role should be. They are the only Party that understands Freedom.
        Watch John Stossel and Judge Napolitano on Fox Business Network to learn more.
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • George E

        I hear you, but if they can’t “poll” well before the election, what’s the use in voting for them in the election? They’ve got to win voters over to their way of thinking before the election. That’s one of the reasons I like the Tea Party. They can support independent candidates if they don’t like the candidates that the R&D parties select.

      • DaveH

        Dave,
        I beg to differ with the statement that the Democrats make the hard decisions. Taking other peoples’ money to distribute to themselves is not a “hard decision”. Buying votes with other peoples money is the “easy” decision. Expecting people to earn their own money is the tough sell.

      • George E

        How right you are. Thanks.

      • Dagney

        Straw man! Straw man! Only the wealthy PAY taxes!!!! Geez where is the critical thinking in this country? You make me ashamed when you spout the “lower taxes for the wealthy” crap. Geez, get a real argument, will you?

      • George E

        Dagney,

        Poor people in this country pay a lot of taxes if they drive a car, live in a home, or buy anything. One way or the other, taxes are extracted from everyone, directly or indirectly.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        But it is true, that the demonized wealthy pay 80 percent or more of the taxes in this country. And I am not one of them, but I have had a few of them give me a job in my lifetime. Never had a poor man give me anything though. And nowadays, the so called poor man, likes me to be taxed more so that he can get everything free, including his health care now. I guess since I work, Im considered the rich guy, and the way the so called poor see it, I should be made to pay so that they can have a free ride. Ive definately got a problem with that.

  • john

    Sp why do we insist that the rest of the countries in the world become democracies?

    • Leo

      We need all countries democratic because the global elite needs to efficiently manage them to control the population of the Earth. They are able to control any country by manipulation of its democracy.

      This is also why they need the USA to stop being a real republic.
      Strong constitutional republic USA is the stumbling block for the globalists. This is why they are destroying economic power of the white middle class of the USA. Actually they have finished doing it already. Good job!

  • MarStar

    Thanks for both the article and the comment by Anthony. I learned something today that makes sense of all that is going on today in our government. So what can I do? I will vote in November after educating myself about each candidate. An oligarchy is not what we want for this country but it sure looks as if we already have it.

    • William

      not yet marstar. but the way so many IDIOTS are voting it wont be long. the next two elections will be the deciding factor. one can only hope enough intelleget people will go to the pols and rid the country of obama and his cohorts,

      • eddie47d

        So your saying that Chip’s article was about going after Obama and voting for all those “good” Republicans. What is your alternative?

      • Carl

        The alternative, eddie, is to look to the Constitution Party, Libertarian Party, or others for better candidates if the two major parties don’t have candidates appealing to you. Some people either vote the two major parties or just stay home, yet you can go and vote for candidates from another party or write-in someone. I’ve done it and don’t consider it a wasted vote if my candidate didn’t win.

      • DaveH

        That’s right, Carl. A person’s vote is “wasted” when they vote for the lesser of two evils instead of voting for the person that best represents their idea of a good politician.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        But I must add, whether it be a Republican, a Libertarian, a Constitutionalist, or whomever, anything trumps a democrat. Fact is, the usurper has to go, at all costs.

      • DaveH

        No, Beberoni, “anything” isn’t better. In a sense, the Republicans (excluding Reagan) of late have been worst than Democrats. At least the Democrats come right out and admit that they want a Nanny State. But the Republicans have been building the Government slowly and insidiously in a more undetectable manner.
        Obama has shocked the citizens out of their delirious apathy. I don’t think McCain would have done that. He would have just kept growing the Government until some day we woke up and realized it was just too late to do anything about it.
        The only acceptable candidates are the ones who promise to cut the size of Government dramatically. That includes the Government intrusions on our privacy and rights to a fair trial (Patriot Act), and the War on Drugs where the Government behaves very similarly to the Nazis. I’ve known a lot of drug users, and none of them even came close to scaring me like the Drug Enforcement Officers scare me.

      • George E

        I’d love to see our politicians actually cut government spending instead of just talking about it. Newt Gingrich led the House of Representatives in doing more of this than we’ve seen in the past few generations.

      • George E

        There’s no doubt in my mind that if McCain had been elected our federal government would still grow. However, we wouldn’t be facing out right socialism and total incompetency like we are under Obama. I would much, much have preferred McCain even though he wasn’t my first or even second choice. This nation is now looking into the abyss of disaster. How much worse does it have to get before our people wake up and see the failings of big government? After we get to a certain point, there may not be any way to return to our original form of government. The federal debt is now officially around $13 trillion dollars, but well on the way to being somewhere between $50 – $100 trillion dollars when the baby boomers retire. Compare this to the nation’s entire annual income (GDP – all the money made by every citizen and business in the country) which is only about $13 trillion dollars. We can’t pay the debt that’s already committed and coming in the next 5-10 years. The ONLY answer is that we have to cut federal spending from current levels, and the only way to do that in any meaningful way is to make severe cuts in Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and national defense, not to mention huge increases in taxes and higher inflation for just about everything that will accompany.

      • DaveH

        So then, George, you prefer the slow death?

      • George E

        Dave,

        I just want to live so I can fight another day. I’m not ready to throw in the towel. I see these socialist as the biggest threat to our country right now, so I’ll vote Republican, Libertarian, or other if that’s the best way to get them out of office. I’ll deal with the differences between all of the right-wing parties after we’ve disposed of the socialists.

      • DaveH

        George,
        If the Republicans build the house, they will come (the dictators). If not for the Leviathan Federal Government (which the Republicans helped to build) we would not be so vulnerable right now. We need to start right now to only elect candidates who promise to shrink the Federal Government with the goal to get us back to the intent of the Constitution. We can’t afford any more Government buildup. If we dither, we lose.

      • George E

        Dave,

        I couldn’t agree more. The fastest way to grow the government is to elect more socialists……

      • Kim McGough

        One thing is for sure, if these other parties are to win any time soon, somebody better start promoting them to all of America with all of the facts or America will keep going like it is. And maybe slip some people from these other parties into both the democratic and republican parties, let them act like they are from the preferred party for each district, support them heavily, then let them switch to the libertarian or constitutional party when they get elected, oh well just a thought.

      • DaveH

        Kim,
        There are people promoting them on Fox Business Network. Watch John Stossel or Judge Napolitano.

      • Dave

        Case in point about IDIOTS voting….just look at South Carolina with senate hopeful Alvin Green. Let the vetting begin!!

      • Carl

        Let’s be clear on this issue please. Those were Democrats who did not learn about the candidates before voting. The thought seems to be that if the candidate is a Democrat then he has to be good. That thought process (or lack of thought) seems to dominate in the party and not just in South Carolina.

      • Airangel

        All good comments but I worry about where we are going and if we (those of us who study our candidates) really even have a chance in November.

        I base it on articles like this that “Raggs” posted yesterday http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/goodbye_to_one_man_one_vote.html

        I also base my concerns on issues like the Drug Cartel seizing 3500 acres of Park Lands in AZ and this administration doing nothing to kick the foreigners off the land as they are illegally trespassing and now American citizens can no longer hike or ATV in this once beautiful part of Arizona State. It belongs to Mexico and it is being kept hush, hush. http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/06/united-states-c.html

        or the fact that this Administration has decided to sue Jan Brewer of AZ after all over this SB1070 bill. They would rather tear down our own sister state at taxpayer expense with the law suit and embrace the criminal country and their criminals

        or the lack or cleaning up the oil spill and managing that disaster…13 countries offered skimmers and aide on day 3 that would have at least contained the damage and still barges are sitting and not working as of this morning – why?

        Why is a supposedly natural born citizen paying millions to seal his “true birth records”? How can this be? How can we even allow someone that is not forthcoming to be President without proof they are even eligible? Men are dieing for a “possible” phony.

        There is so much I don’t understand. I see corruption at every turn. Now another whiner wants the swearing in of office to remove “so help me God”. We have such bigger problems and still trouble makers cry just to be heard.

        I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist to grasp the total distruction and chaos and animosity this administration is causing…the question is why?

        Even if Bildeberg and Rothchilds are secretly initializing this chess game – why? the European coutries are goin belly up, Greece is crumbling with European Welfare states following, we have history to teach us for crying out loud, why can’t they learn from past disasters? We know this Socialist form of Government doesn’t work so why? This must be just sick entertainment for the filthy rich, just like when Roman Emperors entertained themselves with Gladiators fighting and dieing for their enjoyment in the arenas. It’s all sick and twisted for the elitists to turn us against each other, playing us like some sick chess game…we all need to unite and turn on them!

      • kate8

        I hear you, Airangel.

        There have been those who wanted to rule the world since the beginning of time. Evil exists for its own sake. To most of us, there is no rhyme or reason for what they are doing. It must be as simple as an unquenchable lust for power.

        We have to remember that no one escapes the laws of kharma. As ye sow so shall ye reap. It will come back on them at some point, and there will be a day of reckoning.

        I also think they use us to further their plans, by keeping us in fear and anxiety. They tell us what they are going to do, and we believe them, and repeat it over and over until it becomes reality.

        What if we refused to believe them? What if we, as a collective, began putting out our own plans for the future? What if we put as much energy into manifesting a beautiful reality as we are now giving to what we DON’T want?

        That is why I keep saying that we must become proactive, instead of staying on the defensive. If we could do that, perhaps God, however we perceive Him, would bring the forces of the Heavens to our aid.

        The PTB are fully aware of these universal principles of creation. They don’t want us to know them, because we would gain in strength. But Love/Life is the glue that holds the universe together in perfect order, and evil causes disruption and destruction. It is up to each of us, as individuals, to BE that which we want to experience. If enough of us do, we may have a chance. I just don’t see any other way.

      • JC

        Angel, a people beaten down by convoluted laws, loss of cultural identity, bi-lingualism, inflation, taxation, war, confusion, hopelessness…and so forth will more readily accept the new form of government here to “rescue” them. The New World Order Elitists have the whole thing orchestrated very well. Next…population control.

      • kate8

        JC, population control is already well underway. Haven’t you noticed the rate at which people are sick and dying?

        Now that Codus Aliamentarius is in place, the UN is going after our food. Congress has been busy passing legislation to limit, and eventually remove, our access to organic produce in favor of toxic and non-nutritive GMO crops, natural supplements and medicines and any other means we have to manage our own health.

        We are being continually and systematically worn down, poisoned, by our air, water, food, and pharmaceuticals. Not to mention the bombardment from “dirty” electricity and inharmonious (to life) frequencies from HAARP.

        Sick people don’t fight back.

      • JC

        In as much as you can grow your own food and patronize farmer’s markets. I do not take Pharmaceuticals at all and I stay as healthy as I acn by eating as few meals as possible from main stream grocery stores. I do stock my freezer with venison every year.
        We’ve lost touch with our medical practitioners and our food supply…”for the good of all”? I don’t think so.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thats exactly how Obama got elected. Nobody knew a thing about him, who is is, where he is from, what he stands for, and we really still dont know. Many on the left voted just because he was a democrat, and 90 percent of the black population voted for him, just for that, because he was black. Still, nobody knew who he was or what he stood for or where he was from or what his plan was.

    • Dave

      All I will say is let’s see what happens. If the tea party people and the like actually influence the next election , or even 2. If a conservative get s elected as the next president, let’s see where we are in 6 years. I’d like to come back here, if this still exists, and see if that really solved everything. I think most of you mean well. I don’t think you’re bad people. I think both sides get caught up in the brainwashing and Chip is really just one more brainwasher. This country has a lot of issues but people are still coming here for the American dream. This country will always be ruled by a small upper class who holds influence through money. I wish that wasn’t the case but it is. They are using your conservative sensabilities to further their own agenda and pay less taxes. Most people here believe the definition of freedom is to let the rich not pay taxes so they can buy things the lower class toils to make for them. What kind of society is that? Are we really free in an economy designed to make luxury goods for an upper class? Doesn’t it make sense that we should at least have everyone contribute an equal percentage of their earnings to keep roads, parks, sewage systems, etc. We have Libertarians up in arms because the president put a moratorium on drilling and the rich business owners can just go make their money somewhere else. They want to be taken advantage of or their precious economy goes away. They want to put at risk. It’s an inheritantly unfair system and we’ll never be able to remove it because it’s run by greed and influencing the “commoners.” Don’t you think the least they can do is help support those that cannot support themselves. I’m not talking about people who choose not to work nad would prefer to live off the government teet. Unfortunately we cannot stop that though because it is also a form of greed. We shouldn’t penalize the truly needy because of it though. Don’t we deserve the chance to live and prosper? I’m not calling for Communism in any way because it just doesn’t work. I am saying that we need a responsible Republic. Not one run on a dictionary definition but one run by the people for the people, at least as much as we can.

      • George E

        Dave,

        I have two comments to your post. First, there is a dark side to capitalism, but there is also a bright side. If we only focus on the dark side, we’ll eventually convince ourselves that capitalism is bad and invented only for the rich. Adam Smith, the father of modern capitalism, wrote about this in his book “Wealth of Nations.” He described it as the “invisible hand” at work. That is, when the rich person acts in their self interest they make money, but they also create opportunities for the poor person to benefit from. In this way, the majority of people actually benefit from the rich over time.

        Secondly, it sounds to me like you really want a Constitutional Republic where people’s rights are protected by the government, not trampled on like we see in many dictatorial oligarchy countries. I also discern that you want a “safety net” provided by the government. We’ve always had one, but in the past it was provided by family, friends, and non-profit organizations, not the federal government. The former method was very efficient in providing support on a personal basis and at minimum cost, but it wasn’t as dependable as many wanted. The latter method (government-provided) is very inefficient (costly) and impersonal, but is large enough to be able to send you a check every month if you qualify. Unfortunately, the latter method is going to break the bank if we don’t find better ways of managing it, and the recently passed heath care reform legislation appears to me to just make the problem worse.

      • DaveH

        First of all, I want to answer your question: “Doesn’t it make sense that we should at least have everyone contribute an equal percentage of their earnings to keep roads, parks, sewage systems, etc?”

        No!. What would make sense would be for everybody to pay an equal ‘amount’ to keep roads, parks, sewage systems, etc. After all, we all supposedly have equal access to those things, don’t we?

        Free Markets (which admittedly are no longer existent) buttered this country’s bread. If somebody does the right things in a Free Market and becomes very rich, I say congratulations. I see a problem only it they can use their riches to deprive us of our free choices. They could only do that with the backing of Government Force. Therefore, it is the Big Government that is the problem. As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.

        The Rich that so many people want to drag down are the providers of productive jobs in this country. Unless they are getting special protections from Big Government, I applaud them. By the way, I just read that Warren Buffett and Bill Gates have gotten together to try and persuade their fellow Ultra-Rich buddies to give the bulk of their wealth to appropriate charities. I applaud them too.

        If we got this country back to Free Markets, then there would be plenty of wealth to help the truly needy through voluntary charity.

        What drives any economy is the productivity of the citizens. The more productive they are, the more goods and services become available. What do you think will make people more productive? I say being able to control their own lives free of Government bullying, and making voluntary choices and voluntary contracts with their fellow citizens is what makes people the most productive.

        The Force of Government drags people down and makes them less productive generally. You can see that in the rankings of the least regulated countries and the most regulated countries:
        http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        I agree with you Dave H. Reducing the size of government and how much money they can spend is a key issue. The agenda for the left is to villify all corporations in order to discredit the free market. Then government gets the approval to go in and ‘over regulate’ business and ‘private property’ which is fascism. Corporation are set up for tax reasons and to limit liability. They are made up of everyday people with small businesses and big businesses.

      • George E

        Bruce,

        While the Democrats are vilifying corporations, they are shaking them down for campaign contributions. Regulations can punish corporations or reward them. It’s obvious how they can punish, but can also be rewarded if the regulations serve to constrain competition. So, in this way, among others, our politicians are playing fast and loose with the power we entrust them with.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        It is the governments interference of the free market system, that keeps things from being better for all of us. No business forces you to buy their product. If you dont like it, buy from someone else. When the government gets in the way, and gives certain companies billions of dollars, and gets in the way of others trying to make it, that is where the problem is. Government intrusion. Get out of the way and let the free market system work. We are handcuffed in this country by rules and regulations that cost our business millions, that allow foreign business, who dont have to cowtow to these rules, gain the upper hand. Get government out of the way, and things will be better for all of us here.

    • C Patterson

      Those designing the Constitution originally envisioned a multi-party Congressional representation, again to disburse power. The republican form of government is a filtered representation of the people, not a direct democracy, filtered to prevent unfettered majority rule. I agree the emphasis on the term democracy is itself a distraction as used by the spokespersons for the financial elite, and the evolved two party system has become a puppet of the elite who more easily have their way.

      Some out there have researched the coming of the 16th & 17th Amendments together with the Federal Reserve Act and found them never properly constitutional; I want to further check that myself. For example, how can you enact the Federal Reserve Act by congressional vote without states ratification when it controverts the Constitution? And, the Act fundamentally improperly delegates Congress’ primary duty which abdication could not be ratified if the Constitution as a whole is to have any validity.

      The income tax (16th Amendment) has never made sense because it is in direct confrontation with the constitutional direct tax, centers all power in the federal government in derogation of the individual states (today states beg for a share of those taxes coming back as they labor under unfunded, mandated laws that go way beyond the constitution), and only real purpose of the income tax is a smoke screen for the companion Federal Reserve Act – to allow fractional reserve banking and deficit spending, which practices taken to desired effect no longer care about the income tax – Congress being able to spend to infinity without matching amount tax revenues. Thus, all fiscal checks and balances are lost no matter what party controls Congress, the natural tendency being to spend into debt with choices simply being for what purpose.

      In companion, popularly electing state senators (17th Amendment) instead of selection by each state legislature also supported the populist majority takeover – dovetailing with the intent of the income tax and Federal Reserve Act. Has anyone found any valid reason to throw out state legislatures selecting senators under Article I, section 3? The provision being in the very first Article of the Constitution, one would think that fundamentally important and not treated like used bath water, especially in that selection supports the local strength of the states. But we have suffered under 1984 type “doublespeak” long before that book.

      Voting for a party other than the two finger pointer parties may not be throwing votes away, but when a third party develops strength and really threatens The Two, the gloves will come off from the financial elite. Ross Perot is an example I believe; he had developed 20% of the vote at a pivotal point in that election run; and it is clear to me that he was threatened in a way that made him back off like a flipped switch. The evidence? Little – other than his instant departure was wholly contrary to every aspect of his life history and personality to that point.

      The starting point is a grass roots ground swell of taking back Congress so it can begin to separate branches of power again, each one of us acting through Individual spirituality positively practiced – versus dogma-controlled oriented religion whose leaders (Constitutionally) improperly enter the political arena every day by speaking out as religious leaders rather than as individuals. We can accomplish that effort through the internet – however monitored; it is our organizational opportunity. I believe the government has coerced the computer makers to provide government backdoor access to monitor us all – but courage is needed. The internet allows us to organize in less traditional, less bureaucratic ways to preserve freedom, prosperity and caring for neighbors.

      Putting people in Congress who you check out for integrity can only swell the ranks of positive possibilities.

      We must replace what is with what will work, not leaving a vacuum, and allow those with real solutions to be effectively heard. Changing direction soon is imperative; working our way out of this mess will take a long time and constant effort. The financial elite are counting on our sound-bite bombarded culture to cause us to lose interest.

  • bbstacker

    To Anthony: The most thought provoking and subsequent learning of any articles’ topic is reading the comments. You address many items that should engage American Citizens, but they get exhausted if it can’t be found with a remote control–in many cases. Nonetheless, you do a fine job of bringing to the frothy top of the mug of our Republic you speak so richly of, and I commend you for your efforts to reinforce what Chip talks about in defining exactly what America is supposed to be to return to her true roots. May God have mercy on our souls in this endeavor.

  • Sid

    My daughter’s high school government teacher kept calling the US a democracy. Finally after several times she got tired of it and corrected the teacher. The teacher at first argued with her, so she told him to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. “To the Republic”. He said well let’s just call it a Democratic Republic .
    It’s just bothersome to me that our kids are not mislead by educators either knowingly or un-knowingly.

    • Smilee

      Sid

      James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy as opposed to direct democracy. Either way it is still the constitution, that oversees any law and is the supreme law and what ever term you use to describe our government has no real bearing on it as the constitution has the last say on any issue.

      • http://naver samurai

        If this is true, then why are you stupid lib and this administration try so very hard to destroy it? Since this is true, then “Obama” care, cap and trade, etc., are all unconstitutional and should be thrown out.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        If that were true, then how did Obama and his horde go into the back room behind closed doors, and ram rod his socialist health care program down our throats that 70 percent of America didnt want? It was truly un-constitutional, immoral, and unethical to say the least. Not to mention illegal.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I knew there was something different about Ronald Reagan. No wonder he stood head and shoulders above all others that held the office of President.

    • DaveH

      Ronald Reagan was closer to a Libertarian than any president we have had in the last 100 years. Many of his Libertarian ideas were successfully restrained by his own fellow Republicans, especially Bob Dole who in a later run for president advertised himself as a conservative. Bob was about as conservative as John McCain. It’s amazing to me how these Liberal Republicans try to reinvent themselves as staunch conservatives when they are running for office. Note that I am using the term “conservative” in the sense of being of the same mindset that Founders like Jefferson were, not the term “conservative” that has been co-opted by the right-wingers.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Running John McCain this last election is why we are in this mess now.It was the biggest mistake the Republican Party ever made. In a time when people are tired of career politicians, and tired of liberals, the Republicans decided to run a 150 year old man that has been a politician for 100 years, and is as liberal as any Republican Ive ever seen. Then they wonder why they lost, and lost what the rest of us got stuck with. Dumb, dumb move.

      • Claire

        Beberoni–I must agree with you. A pitiful choice. There were other Republicans that were better, and yet McCain ended up being the “one.” The GOP shot themselves in the foot. They had a good chance and they threw it away.

      • kate8

        Can you really not see that it was planned that way? Republicans are just as much a part of what is going on as the democrats. If they are not standing up and proclaiming the truth to us, then they are complicit.

        Where were the Republicans when many people were trying to expose Obama for the fraud he is even prior to the election? Where are they now? THEY HAVE ALL BEEN COVERING FOR HIM.

      • George E

        You are all making good points. However, don’t forget the Republican Party chiefs didn’t select John McCain, the voters did. He won because conservatives didn’t rally behind one candidate before McCain had it wrapped up. Unfortunately, the primary process allows a candidate to “win” his party’s candidacy before any of the large states even hold their primaries. I wish all state primaries were held on the same day to avoid this problem.

      • kate8

        George E, as usual, the media were controlling the information. The really good candidates were virtually ignored.

      • DaveH

        The real blame for McCain belongs on the MSM. Before and during the Republican primaries, the MSM was all in favor of John McCain. I could hardly find a channel where his mug wasn’t on the screen. Then after the primaries were over, I could hardly find a channel where his mug was on the screen. From there until the election it was almost all Obama on the screen. The MSM had gotten their way. Their goal was simply to back the most Liberal Republican, in the case that they failed to get their desired candidate (Obama) elected.
        That is the real reason the MSM backs campaign finance laws. If they succeed in stifling campaign funds, who do you think will have the power to elect whomever they want under the guise of Freedom of the Press? Yep, the MSM.
        And the voters go baa, baa, baa.

    • http://naver samurai

      I agree and thank you for reading his book.

  • Gayle

    The above-referenced link takes you to the Washington Post. Is that what you intended?

  • Al Sieber

    What happened to the three branches of govt.? it seems we only have one branch now, the executive, where the president rules by fiat.

    • Joe Downey

      Al where were you ftom 2001 to 2009 The use of signing addendums by the former President that is FIAT

      • refuse2lose

        Where are you now that Obama is trying to turn our country into a 3rd world concentration camp? It was illegal for Bush to usurp the Constitution but it’s ok for Barry to do it? Typical liberal lunacy.

      • eddie47d

        What concentration camp?

      • Al Sieber

        refuse2lose, don’t ever call me a liberal, what are you talking about? executive orders have been around since Teddy Roosevelt.

      • http://eachstateretaliate.blogspot.com/ Tea Party Tim

        The where were you when ceist to exist in the time that it took to read this post. The where are you now and where will that take you are all that will ultimately matter.

      • Al Sieber

        JoeD, I was fully awake during those year’s, also I meant presidental directives.

      • bp

        Joe, Joe, Joe: Liberal circular thinking is getting so OLD!! It’s 2010.

    • Another Voice

      Our current president is forcing the congress to write the legislation. He is not doing everything by executive order, as Mr. Bush did. However, I noticed that he has not revoked a lot of the executive orders which President Bush executed – and I’m hoping that he does not abuse the power which these order have given him!

      • Anthony

        Anthony says:
        Please, please, please… Let’s not go down this very-forgettable road, okay ??

        Before you espouse such stances, you had better google up ALL of the Executive Orders that OBAMA has signed into LAW since he took Office.

        It will rile you something fierce. Trust me on this…

        ONE OTHER THING – Please advise where it was that Obama reversed any of the decisions implemented by GW Bush….

        So, again I say — Let’s not use this false logic – which is nothing more than (what I call) sophistry.

      • kate8

        AV, not only is Congress NOT writing important legislation (it’s being handed down to them for passage), the aren’t even READING it. What for? They are being told how to vote.

        And if they can’t get enough votes, they’ll simply do it another way. There is an agenda afoot here, and it’s being forced on us by hook or by crook. Congress these days is nothing but part of our now puppet government.

  • Anthony

    I’ll say this – it used to be amazing to hear the subtle disparity in the political news when it came on the evening news. The process of “voting” itself could (I think) be called a democratic action. However, that’s the real end of that format, as far as how the Founding Fathers actually framed the Constitution. The reason as the Author (Chip) points out, that the first Articles of Confederation failed so miserably, was that it was FULL OF “democracy” and the types of methods to be used were based on the function of such politic…. full of those types of stipulations.

    I would ask the Author if he would rather align a democracy more closely with an Oligarchy over anything else(?) I ask this question, because that’s exactly what we have in this Country right here, right now. An Oligarchy.

    From Dictionary.com -
    ——————-
    ol·i·gar·chy   /ˈɒlɪˌgɑrki/ Show Spelled[ol-i-gahr-kee] Show IPA
    –noun, plural -chies.
    1. a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.

    2. a state or organization so ruled.
    3. the persons or class so ruling.
    ——————-
    If you don’t believe my point of view, that’s up to you. But, you should bring evidence to the table to back up your disagreement. Here’s why…..

    Right now, in this Country (and practically all others, as well) there is a Group of ultra-rich, the Super-Billionaires, who have this idea that the rest of the Planet couldn’t properly handle themselves let alone the Planet and the knowledge they are holding for themselves only – they “own” most of everything thru all types of shenanigans, especially from the stance of supporting “fractional banking” like what is used in every Central Bank there is in all but five Countries. (It could actually be only four Countries, by now)

    There are some names for these Groups of the Money’d Elite – but one that has stood out now for six decades (yea, roughly about 60 years or more, since 1954) and their name is The Bilderberg Group. They meet in secret – no real investigative Press are allowed inside whatsoever.

    Oh, there are Publishers of incredibly large Newspapers who are invited in, but NO information about what they discuss or what they are planning is allowed to be known by us. If you remember, Obama’s Press Corps, during the run-up for election, was shanghied by Robert Gibbs, with no Presidential-hopeful on the plane when it took off because Obama (and Hillary) had been ordered to appear at the annual secretive Bilderberg Meeting.

    It is been this Bilderberg Group in coordination with The Council on Foreign Affairs, that has been the real voice on who we are allowed to elect for President… and by that I mean since Eisenhower and especially John F Kennedy, who they thought was their best patsy, ever, and had JFK played along this New World Order would already be in existence – the Sixties were a turbulent decade because this secretive Group “wanted it that way”.

    I can go so far as to say that ALL Presidents save ‘two’ were always Members of the CFR, as well. One was Gerald Ford, with the other being Ronald Reagan. Otherwise, ALL OF THEM have been Members of the CFR and by extrapolation, agreeable to marching orders from The Bilderberg Group.

    You don’t like it….. I don’t care. Dragnet: these are just the facts, ma’am!

    The Bilderberg Group is the Planetary (world-wide) Oligarchy set up by the ultra-rich who are also the people in charge of the Central Banks – remember: he who controls the money……

    The Founding Fathers won the day back in 1787 – or more correctly, the JEFFERSONIANS won the day despite a constant barrage attack from the Hamiltonians who wanted the Nation’s Wealth re-distributed to the few who had anded together for exactly that purpose – and they were (actually) nothing more than Agents for the European Banking Cartel (Cabal?) run the Amschel Mayer Bauer Clan of Bavaria…. rather, Frankfurt, Germany – - AKA: The Rothschilds.

    [this is why I always snicker when I watch the TV Series: 24]

    Even though Thomas Jefferson was actually still in [Paris, France], as the U.S. Ambassador, and this being exactly WHY it was that Alexander Hamilton wanted (needed?) to have the 1st ever Constitutional Convention held in that year (1787)… because Mr. Jefferson WAS stuck in Paris / yea, I know, a run-on sentence / the Patriots that supported the Jeffersonian Republic versus the Hamiltonian Democracy won the day, defeating Alexander Hamilton in his bid to re-create the English “mercantil-ism” that had diseased England giving rise to the british fleeing their own Country for hopes of something better….

    Today, mercantilism is known as: CORPORATISM

    So – while you see the Author giving credit to Alexander Hamilton in this Article…. do not be fooled by the reasons WHY he has inserted that acknowledgement. If (or when) you read The Federalist Papers, every time you see one of those passages attributed to Mr. Hamilton, yuo will find he has written very Jefferson-like in his comments.

    Early on, as I read the book, I fell for the rhetoric from A.H. – I did, I admit it. But, you must then go on to read Hamilton’s writings as the 1st Secretary of the treasury, under George Washington. THERE is where you find the ‘snake in the grass’, the wolf in sheep’s clothing. He may have said one thing in the Federalist Papers, but his intentions as history proves out were anything but Republic, in nature. He would have no real power unless the Constitution became LAW. Therefore, why not support the document that did not agree with his real principles, as given to him by the Rothschild Clan? Remember, Hamilton did not come from Europe, per se’. He came from the West Indies, and grew up somewhat well-to-do, within the aristocracy in that part of the world, and it was the Rothschilds who controlled the West Indies Trading Company, and it was this Company that also dabbled in the transport of heroin around the planet, even back in those early days of our new baby USA. There is a great little video called: The Two Massachusetts on http://www.larouchpac.com (go look it up and watch)

    I have been researching for some time – and I am about 3/4 of the way thru a Book called: Hamilton’s Curse by Thomas J. DiLorenzo and I recommend this book as one of the quickest Primers you might ever want to get your hands on, when it comes to finding out what really happened back in the late 1700′s and at the birth of our Country.

    I want to thank the Author, Chip Wood, for re-engaging this discussion. It cannot be reviewed often enough. If you look into the reality of what he has written / research the evidence he gives / then you will find, as I have, that Political Parties be damned… this is about those who “control the money” and seriously nothing more than that.

    It isn’t about Democrats nor Republicans. It isn’t about Liberals versus Conservatives. It isn’t about the (false) Left/Right Paradigm.

    It’s about the Money Paradigm.

    And, this is why I grit my teeth and say a prayer for those who post here trying to remain “stuck in the muck” of Bushies verus Clintons or Obamas… because it’s all a waste of effort, a waste of brain power (am I being too generous?).

    It’s about exactly what the Author has initiated as a discussion.

    In a Republic, it is incredibly difficult for an Oligarchy to take over a Country such as what our first Patriots died attempting to create. In a Democracy, a Country becoming an Oligarchy, is like flipping the light-swith in your bathroom and flushing (your freedoms away). Which, by sheer ignorance, laziness, finger-pointing, stupidity,..and most of all FEAR…. is exactly what the majority of this Country’s Voters have done, especially since the Presidency of Woodrow Wilson. Although, many like TJ DiLorenzo, would argue that our most prevalent weapons against the Oligarchy were stripped from us by Abraham Lincoln, during the Civil War. We let the money’d elite get away with taking over our Newspapers, our education system and our form of government.

    During the Wilson Era – we had these items come into being:
    1. The Federal Reserve Act
    2. The 16th Amendment / Income Tax
    3. The 17th Amendment / straight election of Senators

    ALL THREE OF THE ABOVE NEED TO BE REVERSED, or RIPPED UP – doing so is the real first true act(s) of honest patriotism if you ever really want to get back your Republic, for which it stands!

    Do not doubt it

    – try and demand an answer on whether your vote would END THE FED, from the Politician in your States. See what they respond with.

    Thanks, Mr. Chip Wood / keep ‘em coming!

    • Al Sieber

      Good post Anthony, keep up the good work Chip.

    • TIME

      Anthoney, I agree with Al, a really great post!

    • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

      Still in this country the oligarhchy needs the democracy to make it all work for them. A few cannot control America without being able to influence the vote. No one works harder at this than George Soros with his power and his money.

      • Anthony

        Anthony says:

        With the new computerized voting structure – thank you “hanging chads” / don’t you all feel real setup, suddenly / this is exactly where many lightweights in civics blew it / ….the computer-code on these voting machines can be structured in such a way that any and all voting(s) could be arranged to come out 51-49%, and the Winner is who the CFR wanted all along. Bank on this being the premise – until you stop voting for those that are presented to us on a silver platter.

        I work in the IT Field – and the Government has all the secret backdoor information they need to waltz right in to your computers and you would never know it. I’t s apart of the way they LICENSE Operating Systems and Circuit Boards for sale to the Consumer – thou must….. (as it were).

      • kate8

        Anthony, I have NO confidence in the voting system. I believe it is rigged from the outset. One example is how McCain, about the most unpopular R ever to run for the nomination, came from dead-last to winning it. It had to have been pre-planned.

        The globalist power-mongers haven’t come this far only to be stopped by an election. There is no way they’ll allow the outcome to be in our hands.

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        I am not that skeptial. McCain had the Republican establishment working for him. Romney and Huckabee split the conservative vote. It is said 40% of the Republican Party are progressives and that is the percentage of votes McCain got. You should not promote the idea of voter fraud until there is proof. It is destructive to the conservative movement as it is promoting the idea that there is no hope.

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        Kate H says: “The voting system is vulnerable, and is being manipulated.” While the voting system may be vunerable there is no proof it is manipated. It is particually harmful to promote that idea just because you feel coruption is rampant. The left tried to make that claim in Palm Beach County where I am from with Al Gore. The voting system was proven to be honest with just a lot of dumb people who couldn’t push a pin through a piece of cardboard. The left also tried to make that claim with Kerry in 2004. Kerry opening admitted he did not challenge the vote because there was no proof of fraud. While there is corruption in the system there are a lot of people who work for government who try to do the right thing. They should be given credit.

      • http://yahoo.com Sue C

        Hello Kate8!

        I love it when I meet smart people like yourself, and have the guts to tell it like it is! Thanks for your wonderful comment

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        Anthony slow down a little on reading all the conspiricy books. The problem with going that route is that there is never a solution or hope as it promotes the idea that everything is out of the control of the American people and they have no chance. When I was reading conspiracy books in the early 90s there was not much help or understanding of that issue except maybe the John Birth Society. Now there are many well know people who are fighting back and understand the problem so I assure you we are not finnished yet.

      • kate8

        Bruce, you obviously do not care to dig too deep, and that is your right. But you have no business directing myself, Anthony or anyone to “slow down” on anything.

        Many of us are passionate in our quest for the truth, and we are not about to “slow down”. Forget it.

      • kate8

        JC, Bruce, if people are made aware that the vote can, and is, being tampered with, they can demand a paper back-up and open recounts.

        No one is advocating that we shouldn’t vote. But we need to demand that the integrity of the system be preserved at all costs, or our vote means nothing.

        Those pushing the current agenda will stop at nothing to win. Remember, they are the ones who say “the end justifies the means”.

      • kate8

        So Bruce, you say we shouldn’t point to corruption unless we have proof that will hold up in a court of law? What if no court will even look at evidence? (Case in point: The Birth Certificate). No court, no foul?

        Come on, the corruption is rampant. And if, as many believe, our only recourse is the ballot box, then what happens when that is no longer viable? The voting system is vulnerable, and is being manipulated. So, is that it, then?

        I’m sure our founders could foresee this dilemma. There has to be another avenue, or the game is over.

      • Right Wing

        Bruce it looks like you have taken a (small) beating on your posts but I support your position. Conspiracy is like a cancer to action. It is designed to paralyze readers with a sense that there is a shadowy juggernaut that can not be stopped. I do not accept defeat in my individual responsibility as guardian of freedom and laugh at most speculative information fueling conspiracies. I base my passions on the adage, “don’t believe what you hear and only half of what you see”. What I see is abundant evidence of corruption and a creeping movement to eradicate the liberty visualized by our Constitutional Framers. If anyone suggests “there is nothing you can do about it”, ask yourself if you should be so culpable to accept their conclusion as fact! It is unsettling to my spirit to witness the paralysis of fear as many Americans herd against the fence in the sheeple corral.

        Many will say Americans have passively yielded their liberties and now there is nothing to do except to sit back and enjoy the landing at socialistic tyranny. My answer is that tolerance is a major characteristic of American life as we all engage in the “pursuit”. Tolerance should not be mistaken for surrender and I believe as Thoreau says, “I do not hesitate to say, that those who call themselves Abolitionists should at once effectually withdraw their support, both in person and property, from the government…and not wait till they constitute a majority of one, before they suffer the right to prevail through them. I think that it is enough if they have God on their side, without waiting for that other one. Moreover, any man more right than his neighbors constitutes a majority of one already.” Stand with your neighbors if you are fortunate but know you are not alone if you stand alone. Vivere in libertate aut mori!

      • kate8

        RW, as I stated before, that is exactly the kind of blind thinking people have always engaged in right before they fell to tyrants. The German people did not believe any “conspiracy” was afoot, either. And guess what? The same “conspirators” that were behind Hitler are behind the current movement toward tyranny: The House of Rothschild et al.

        It seems that the “conspiracy theories” bandied about over the decades are now surfacing as reality. If you cannot see this, and do not believe there is a well-organized agenda now in its final stages, then you simply are ignoring the obvious. You are in denial.

        I never said there was “nothing we can do about it”. What I am saying is that we need to forge a new game plan, because if we keep playing by their rules, the game is rigged.

        It’s time to get creative. Time to ask for help from a higher power. It is when things seem the most hopeless that “Divine Providence” steps in.

      • Right Wing

        Kate8, I believe you are a conscious person but I am not sure why you interpret what I wrote as blind thinking? If you did and don’t understand it then perhaps I was not clear enough. Conspiracy theories are “theories”…ie. unproven postulations. They stand an equal chance of being true or false at the start and at best 100% right or wrong. Typically; however, they end up being somewhat a percentage of each. I base my opinions instead on compilations of current and historical events and I will say that I agree corruption is rampant and that there are individuals and organizations whose aim is to degrade our Constitutional liberties. Hamilton warned of the pitfalls facing adoption of the new Constitution but shortly thereafter found himself cast in the ill light he had shed.

        My point is that conspiracy theories can overwhelm the senses and sensibilities of rational people and render them paralyzed with fear of the shadowy menaces at the focus. I simply choose to accept that there are such groups and individuals, but I draw the line at awareness. I try very hard not to get caught up in the unproductive speculations and dark imaginings associated with the unknown.

        To use an analogy: Consider the Wizard of Oz in your kitchen. You hear the news that he is a frightening figure to be respected and feared. Imagine approaching the menacing hologram and booming voice in your own home. You could approach with trepidation and feel powerless to exercise your rights as a home-owner. I would certainly skip this stage, disregard the heresay concerning this fearful figure, and then promptly march down and have stern words with the guy behind the curtain (maybe kick the crap out of him).

        My appeal is to the fearless and conscious people to accept that our “only regret is that we have but one life to give”. I know where I stand and I only hope that there are many more like me. The slow spiral into socialism has approached the narrow vortex and we have little time to spare. My children have even less and history will be lost to them. God be with you, and God help us all.

      • kate8

        RW, many of those “theories” HAVE proven out. All you have to do is keep your eyes and ears open.

        You know the admonition: know your enemy. Believe me, they know us. To be able to recognize evil is not to instill fear and hopelessness, but to enable us to face it squarely, and walk through the fear and come out the other side. Only then, with a calm mind and heart, can we find effective ways of out-maneuvering a threat.

        I have been aware of the warnings for many years, and have been watching them unfold precisely as laid out and predicted. This is not to say that we can’t rise above it. But first, we need enough people who can see into the shadows with courage. We have too many faint-of-heart among us.

        I also am aware that this is, as always, a spiritual struggle for the soul of mankind. I believe that this is where our answers lie.

        I do agree that time is short. That is why risk being ridiculed and marginalized by speaking up. I don’t have all the answers, but I call it as I see it, and listen to others who’ve looked into areas that I have missed.

        This needs to be a collective effort. Nothing is ever completely hopeless. By universal law, evil cannot prevail. But we must also be aware that civilizations rise and fall, come and go, in endless cycles, and we are fools if we fail to recognize our mortality.

      • Right Wing

        Well then it appears to me that we are speaking the same language but may have missed on a few off the details. I agree fully with your view. God bless and endeavor to persevere.

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        To Right Wing:

        We are on the same page. To those that keep themselves busy reading conspiracy books they never offer solutions. Any suggestions offered they claim will never work because of these all powerful ‘Rothchild beings’. Really there is never an end to these theories. They keep going father and father back untill you reach the paramids of Egypt or further and the intermingling of genetic lines with aliens. From that all the blood lines of kings and most presidents have come forth. Most likely millions of words have been written on such things. I have never read anyone mention or talk about any solution. What is particually destructive is promoting the idea that voting in the right persons and giving them your support will never work as the voting is rigged. While a democracy was feared by the founders they also gave us with the Republic the power to speak through our vote. Another power of the people is ‘jury nulification’. We have courts of law where things are still possible. We have a strong patriot friend in Clarence Thomas and his wife. We must promote the idea that no judge can be elected without understanding of original intent and an oath to defend it. Mark Rubio will be a good addition as a Florida senator. How about Demint? Also Michelle B. There are plenty of good people uniting at this time to help.

      • MichelleO

        John Birch not John Birth

      • JC

        Bruce, they’re not “conspiracy” books, they’re history books.
        You should do a little reading yourself.

        Anthony, Hamilton’s Curse is as you say a good primer.
        Another goos book is John V. Denson’s “A Century of War”
        It’s another eye opener.

        Lets’ not leave out “The Creature From Jekyll Island”

        And for a very orderly and somewhat amusing look:
        “The Law” by Frederic Bastiat

        Read all of that and then take a look at what’s going on.

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        Actually I read two of those books twenty years ago so do not think you are on the cutting edge of knowledge. I stand by what I have said. There will always be people who will try to buy a politician. The focus still needs to be on reducing government, reducing taxes, and restricting judges to original intent of the constitution. But by all means if you want to go another route go ahead. I have noticed a few on here that have been critical of Glen Beck. That is just plain stupid. Hr should be given all the support he can get.

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        I might add the reason I made some of those statements is that it is particually harmfull to try to discredit the validity of the vote unless there is valid proof to bring into a court of law. It is also important to maintain pressure on enforcing the imigration laws. These kinds of issues will bring voters out in force. These are tangible things that can bring out people to not only vote out democrats but also remove progressive republicans. If you have anyway of getting rid of Rothschilds or George Soros you let me know. I would be interested then.

      • JC

        For the most part I’m with you Bruce. Right now the vote is the only peaceful means of change we have. But in addition to your recomendations I believe we need to end the Fed. Auditing the Fed might be a good way to expose it for what it really is, but ending it altogether should be the ultimate goal. Anthony is right about the history behind it.

      • Anthony

        I see “Bruce” simply wants myself and many others to simply shut up. He can spout off all he likes, but WE must watch what WE say…. well,….that’s never gonna happen.

        What BRUCE is exhibiting ins ‘blind patriotism’ for the status quo. Fearful people and establishment-crooks always scream ‘conspiracy’ when others are pulling back the curtains on what’s really going on.

        Bruce is more than welcome to bring ‘proof’ that there’s no way the voting booth cannot be corrupted in any fashion, even though we now use computers…. I’ll take an honest look at what he offers..

        Also – NO, Bruce – I will NOT slow down on what I read — you can attempt to anoint yourself as the latest blog-dictator, like all Hamiltonian-wannabees…. but, it’s just you showin others how much you hate others being the center of attention. In fact, the majority of your condescending rhetoric is quite childish.

      • Al B Tross

        Don’t forget Leonard Zinns’ “The Peoples History of the United States”

    • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

      It is true that presidents come and go but the oligarchy always stays firmly in place. Yet it is nice for them to have a friend in Barack Obama who did not spend his formative years growing up in the United States. Redistribution of wealth becomes the commom bond in a democracy. I give you money or a benefit and you give me your vote.

      From Audacity of Hope: ‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.’ Barack Obama

      • JC

        Know the enemy Bruce.

    • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

      From Dreams of My Father: ‘It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.’

      From Dreams of My Father: ‘I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself: the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.’

      Our problems now are greater than the oligarchy. We have main stream media not vetting a president. We have Ivy League schools that have instituionalized the progressive agenda. To say it is the oligarchy’s fault over simplifies it and removes all responsibility and blame from the American people. “We are our own worst enemy.” Many are just starting to realize that as they are starting to see our demize and speaking out.

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        Oh by the way the father Barack Obama emulated was a self proclaimed communist.

      • Dan Burke

        “Our problems now are greater than the oligarchy. We have main stream media not vetting a president. We have Ivy League schools that have instituionalized the progressive agenda.” If you accept the idea that we have, or are moving into, an oligarchy, then are not the next two sentences actually conditions of the problem and not separate issues onto themselves. For wouldn’t an oligarchy want to have a say in the main stream media and use the media to “vet” the president in a way that pleases the oligarchy? And wouldn’t the oligarchy have an interest in making sure that the education of the youth makes them unable to see the dangers of the oligarchy?

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        What you say is true but an oligarchy can only rule over an uniformed people. We need to realize we gave up our power as sovereigns by not understanding our history and by not making sure our children understood it also. We gave too much power to government to teach a progressive agenda in our school system. So now we have more than an oligarchy to contend with. We have an uneducated public willing to do what ever the oligarchy wants in order to receive a handout, a benefit, or a government job. Obama’s approval ratings are 43% now. They aren’t that high because he is doing a good job.

      • TIME

        Bruce,
        All very good post, and this one really hits the nail on the head.

        We do have massive problems dead ahead, the youth of today have been so brain washed they are no differant than the Hitler Youth.

        Just wait until barryO tells them they can’t have that new cell phone, or the wacky new shoes they like or even a car, or sitting on their fat butts eating chips and dips in the ice cold air conditioned home of their mommies, as the cost of oil based products cost 100000 X what they do now!

        Thats when they will get the picture as in they are following a leader who is not the real leader,

        A funny thought when they loose the ability to get on the net too thats really going hurt them, they know little to nothing else.

      • Anthony

        Anthony says:
        The real truth here – is that back in the 1950′s the CFR began “buying up” all of the Media. Go read http://www.whoownsthenews.com

        So, this separation of how things work approach is factually silly and nonsensical. There is absolutely NO reason whatsoever that the CFR, Trilateral and Bilderberg would ever want to commit one action alone, all by itself. The obviousness of how it works, is they must keep hammering the masses with multiple events all at the same time to keep everyone off-balance.

        It is happening as we speak. While Barry Soetoro is focusing our attention on the BP OIL SPILL, Hillary Clinton is going around the World signing agreements with Nation after Nation about ARMS CONTROL, and “yes” this is how the Lawyerocracy has figured a way AROUND the Constitution’s 2nd Amendment.

        So, let’s never think my discussion is about oil & water, which never mix.

      • Vicki

        Article VI, paragraph 2 US Constitution.

        “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding. ”

        The text clearly specifies an order, Constitution (with all its limits), the laws made by congress in pursuance thereof ( meaning to further the requirements in the Constitution) and all Treaties shall be the supreme law of the land. Thus just as a law that goes against constitutional limits is null and void so any treaty that goes against constitutional limits is null and void.

      • kate8

        Vicki, if no one challenges a law (or treaty), or if no one will hear the challenge, who will hold those in power to account?

        The Constitution is only as good as those sworn to uphold it.

      • kate8

        What possible recourse do we have if those in government refuse to honor the Constitution? Or even consider the will of the People?

        Once they have the elections set up to have a known outcome, they no longer feel accountable to those they are sworn to “represent”. They no longer feel hindered by the laws set in place to limit them.

        We are too outgunned to revolt. They have the ability to simply kill millions of us if we are too much trouble, without even having to get their hands dirty.

        So what now?

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        KateH it is not the time now to show dispair or to give up on the voting process. Many public and private people are just beginning to wake up. We are in an exciting time for forwarding the cause of freedom. Concentrate on limiting government and limiting taxes which give them their power and rob working people of their power. “We have just begun to fight.” “I will never give up the ship.” John Paul Jones

      • kate8

        Rest assured, Bruce, that I am not about to give up.

        I do believe that we need to regroup, and find a way to become a force of power.

      • coal miner

        Bruce D,

        Here is a interesting web site.The brotherhood;

        http://www.illuminati-news.com/shadow-gov.htm · Cached page

      • Vicki

        Kate8 writes:
        “What possible recourse do we have if those in government refuse to honor the Constitution? Or even consider the will of the People?”

        Have no fear Kate. We have 4 gifts from our forefathers to open and use. They must be used in order. They are the soap box (what we are doing now for instance.) The ballot box, The Jury box and last the Ammo box.

        The 4th and last box must NOT be opened until all of the first 3 have been taken away.

        At the moment the soap box, ballot box and jury box are all operating within expected parameters. There are of course threats from government against all of them but so far they remain in the hands of the people.

        You write that we are outgunned but forget who holds the guns. A large number of American citizens hold guns. A large number of the armed services hold guns and really do believe in upholding the Constitution.

        Also as Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan and even Iraq have taught us even a rag tag collection of rebels can resist the might of the US Armed Service if the local populace is on the side of the rebels.

      • DaveH

        Good Comment, Bruce.

      • http://yahoo.com Sue C

        Bruce D: You have your experiences with all those terrible issues, and so have I, but I get a headache, with these black, and white issues. I hate racism, and I will plow it/buldoze it, any opportunity I have, because I long to see all human beings free, and united, and sharing each others uniqueness, so that we can all benefit, from each others strong points. What does it profit us, when we practice racism? Maybe, if we received, about $5 billions, in our checking account, it might be a feasible thing, but since that’s not the case, how about handing over the hurts to your Maker, who is colorless, because HE is a Righteous Spirit. He knows how to heal those wounds, and make you whole! He did it for me. THANS BE TO GOD, WHO ALWAYS causes me to TRIUMPH IN CHRIST JESUS! AMEN!

    • hs

      Anthony: If you can write this lengthy background of political history of the USA you are living in a REPUBLIC where LAW & ORDER are still under practice compared to other “democratic nations”. Let’s look at some “democracies” of the XX century: Russia, Cuba, Venezuela…I think I rather live under an “oligarchy” and proof of that is that foreigners leave their “democratic” countries where “people rule” because they still want to live in this “oligarch” country.

      • George E

        hs,

        If I understand you remarks correctly, I think you’ve got it upside-down. I wouldn’t classify Russia, Cuba, and Venezuela as democracies. They used the democratic process to move to oligarchies, which is what they are now. We definitely shouldn’t desire to follow in their footsteps where individual liberties are limited. We must try to move our country back to a rule-of-law Constitutional Republic if we are going to keep from sliding into a democratically led oligarchy like those countries you mention.

      • George E

        Sorry about mis-spelling. I meant “your” remarks…..

      • hs

        George: I was just being sarcastic because the presidents of those nations claim to have rescued their countries from oligarchy and returned them to democracy. Oliver Stone is so marveled with Hugo Chavez that he even filmed a documentary to express his admiration for this “democratic leader” imagine that!

      • George E

        hs,

        I see. Sorry about that. Thanks.

      • Anthony

        Anthony says:
        GUYS – everyone has to remember that a Democracy is one thing only….

        And, that’s a style of Government where the Majority (the bully?) wins out over the Minority (those without resource to fight back?) and once this occurs, the Majority tramples the Minority.

      • Vicki

        Mel Gibson’s movie “The Patriot” still has the best quote on this.
        “Would you tell me please… Mr. Howard. Why I should trade 1 tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants one mile away”

        The original quote was:
        “Which is better – to be ruled by one tyrant three thousand miles away or by three thousand tyrants one mile away?”. It was made by Boston Loyalist Clergyman Byles Mather

        My parents and grandparents always taught the danger of majority rule and the 2 wolves and a lamb voting to keep me aware of the dangers of “Democracy”

      • JC

        “Democracy is two wolves and lamb voting on what to have for lunch”
        (Jefferson or Washington?)

      • Vicki

        The 2nd Amendment gives the lamb the power to contest that vote :)

    • George E

      Anthony,

      As usual, I enjoyed reading your post. Keep up the good work.

    • coal miner

      The Ingenious Internet
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      Forms of Government
      It has been suggested that every government which has ever existed has been a prime example of kakistocracy, or the rule of the worst, but this list of 169 different types of leadership suggests that that might be a bit too simplistic. Each of the following words indicates a type of government by a certain kind of person or institution. Everyone seems to want to get in on this rulership gig, from saints and mothers to beggars and prostitutes (hmm …). Etymologically-minded folks should note the difference between the suffix ‘archy’, meaning ‘rulership’, and ‘cracy’, meaning ‘power’, which both come from Greek roots. This fact, of course, should suggest to any reasonable-minded person that the Greek people are inherently more fit to rule than all other groups. At least in my world …

      Word Definition
      acracy government by none; anarchy
      adhocracy government in an unstructured fashion; an unstructured organization
      albocracy government by white people
      anarchy government by none
      androcracy government by men
      anemocracy government by the wind or by whim
      angelocracy government by angels
      antarchy opposition to government; anarchy
      argentocracy government by money
      aristarchy government by the best
      aristocracy government by the nobility
      arithmocracy government by simple majority
      autarchy government by an absolute ruler
      autocracy government by one individual
      barbarocracy government by barbarians
      beerocracy government by brewers or brewing interests
      bestiocracy rule by beasts
      biarchy government by two people; diarchy
      binarchy government by two people; diarchy
      bureaucracy government by civil servants
      cannonarchy government by superior firepower or by cannons
      capelocracy government by shopkeepers
      chiliarchy government by one thousand people
      chirocracy government by physical force
      chromatocracy government by rulers of a particular skin colour
      chrysoaristocracy government by the wealthy; plutocracy
      chrysocracy government by the wealthy; plutocracy
      corpocracy government by corporate bureaucrats
      cosmarchy rulership over the entire world, esp. by the devil
      cottonocracy government by those involved in the cotton trade
      cryptarchy secret rulership
      decadarchy government by ten individuals; decarchy
      decarchy government by ten individuals
      demarchy government by the people; popular government
      democracy government by the people
      demonarchy government by a demon
      demonocracy government by demons or evil forces
      despotocracy government by despots or tyrants
      diabolocracy government by the Devil
      diarchy government by two people
      dinarchy government by two people; diarchy
      dodecarchy government by twelve people
      doulocracy government by slaves
      duarchy government by two people; diarchy
      dulocracy government by slaves; doulocracy
      dyarchy government by two people; diarchy
      ecclesiarchy government by clerics or ecclesiastical authorities
      endarchy centralised government
      ergatocracy government by the workers or the working class
      ethnarchy government over an ethnic group
      ethnocracy government by an ethnic group or race
      exarchy government by bishops
      foolocracy government by fools
      gerontocracy government by the aged
      gunarchy government by women; gynarchy
      gymnasiarchy government over a school or academy
      gynaecocracy government by women; gynarchy
      gynarchy government by women
      gynocracy government by women; gynarchy
      hagiarchy government by saints or holy persons
      hagiocracy government by holy men
      hamarchy government by a cooperative body of parts
      hecatarchy government by one hundred people; hecatontarchy
      hecatontarchy government by one hundred people
      hendecarchy government by eleven people
      heptarchy government by seven people
      heroarchy government by heroes
      hetaerocracy government by paramours
      heterarchy government by a foreign ruler
      hierarchy government by a ranked body; government by priests
      hierocracy government by priests or religious ministers
      hipparchy rule or control of horses
      hoplarchy government by the military
      hyperanarchy condition of extreme anarchy
      hyperarchy excessive government
      iatrarchy government by physicians
      idiocracy personal rule; self-rule
      infantocracy government by an infant
      isocracy equal political power
      jesuitocracy government by Jesuits
      juntocracy government by a junta
      kakistocracy government by the worst
      kleptocracy government by thieves
      kritarchy government by judges
      landocracy government by the propertied class; timocracy
      logocracy government of words
      matriarchy government by women or mothers
      meritocracy government by the meritorious
      merocracy government by a part of the citizenry
      mesocracy government by the middle classes
      metrocracy government by mothers or women; matriarchy
      millionocracy government by millionaires
      millocracy government by mill owners
      mobocracy government by mobs or crowds
      monarchy government by one individual
      moneyocracy government by the monied classes
      monocracy government by one individual
      myriarchy government by ten thousand individuals
      narcokleptocracy government by those who profit from trade in illegal drugs
      navarchy rulership over the seas
      neocracy government by new or inexperienced rulers
      nomocracy government based on legal system; rule of law
      ochlocracy government by mobs
      octarchy government by eight people
      oligarchy government by the few
      paedarchy government by children
      paedocracy government by children; paedarchy
      panarchy universal rule or dominion
      pantarchy government by all the people; world government
      pantisocracy government by all equally
      paparchy government by the pope
      papyrocracy government by newspapers or literature
      parsonarchy government by parsons
      partocracy government by a single unopposed political party
      patriarchy government by men or fathers
      pedantocracy government by pedants or strict rule-bound scholars
      pentarchy government by five individuals
      phallocracy government by men
      philosophocracy government by philosophers
      phylarchy government by a specific class or tribe
      physiocracy government according to natural laws or principles
      pigmentocracy government by those of one skin colour
      plantocracy government by plantation owners
      plousiocracy government by the wealthy; plutocracy
      plutarchy government by the wealthy; plutocracy
      plutocracy government by the wealthy
      polarchy government by many people; polyarchy
      policeocracy government by police
      pollarchy government by the multitude or a mob; ochlocracy
      polyarchy government by many people
      polycracy government by many rulers; polyarchy
      popocracy government by populists
      pornocracy government by harlots
      prophetocracy government by a prophet
      psephocracy government resulting from election by ballot
      ptochocracy government by beggars or paupers; wholesale pauperization
      punditocracy government by political pundits
      quangocracy rule of quasi-autonomous non-governmental organizations
      rotocracy government by those who control rotten boroughs
      septarchy government by seven rulers; heptarchy
      shopocracy government by shopkeepers
      slavocracy government by slave-owners
      snobocracy government by snobs
      sociocracy government by society as a whole
      squarsonocracy government by landholding clergymen
      squatterarchy government by squatters; squattocracy
      squattocracy government by squatters
      squirearchy government by squires
      squirocracy government by squires; squirearchy
      statocracy government by the state alone, without ecclesiastical influence
      stratarchy rulership over an army
      stratocracy military rule or despotism
      strumpetocracy government by strumpets
      synarchy joint sovereignty
      technocracy government by technical experts
      tetradarchy government by four people; tetrarchy
      tetrarchy government by four people
      thalassiarchy sovereignty of the seas; thalassocracy
      thalassocracy sovereignty of the seas
      thearchy rule by a god or gods; body of divine rulers
      theatrocracy goverment by gathered assemblies of citizens
      theocracy government by priests or by religious law
      timarchy government by the propertied class; timocracy
      timocracy government by the propertied class
      triarchy government by three people
      tritarchy government by three people; triarchy
      tritheocracy government by three gods
      whiggarchy government by Whigs
      xenocracy government by a body of foreigners

      I hope you have found this site to be useful. If you have any corrections, additions, or comments, please contact me. Please note that I am not able to respond to all requests. Please consult a major dictionary before e-mailing your query. All material on this page © 2007 Stephen Chrisomalis. Links to this page may be made without permission.

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      • coal miner

        Plutocracy,rule by the wealthy:

        http://www.answers.com/topic/plutocracy · Cached page

      • lornaduwn

        I think we currently have a neocracy!

      • bp

        coal miner; we are definitely currently under a foolocracy! :-) thank you for your research. good stuff.

      • Scott Brown

        electronocracy: same phosphordocracy. Rule by those who build or own the electronic voting machines. Electronocracy/phosphordocracy renders all forms of democracy moot, null, void.

        Chip, you say: “The only part of Mr. Tytler’s warning I’ll dispute is his use of the word “always.” You and I have been given the power to prevent our country’s descent into a democracy. It’s called the ballot box.”

        Ridiculous.

        Their are so many ways to rig the vote that the very notion of government by the masses is totally irrelevant, utterly absurd. Any attempt to “fix the voting system” merely results in more ways the system is “fixed,” from the creation of a two-party system and the pre-selection of the candidates, to the actual dumbed-down votes and their questionable count, to the fact that both parties work for the same moneyed international corporate interests. (Ask Jack and Robert Kennedy what happens when you labor under the delusion that U.S. presidents are actually allowed to do more than choose the color of the White House toilet paper or which soup to serve at lunch.)

        The Oligoliath owned it all before each little specimen of Davidocracy, with his/her one voice and one vote, was even a blip on the Social Security ponzi-scheme’s radar.

      • Al B Tross

        and the word idiot,
        from id, or self, and -ote, devoted. It refers to one too devoted to self-interest as not to be engaged in politics, and the needs of society.

      • Jim J

        Coal miner,

        Good job and thanks for the breakdown. It appears that we have devolved as a nation into a xenocracy, (a government by a body of foreigners).

        Although, I am painting with a broad brush here, please consider the following view point in support of a U.S. xenocracy:

        European intrests have never given up on their designs to control these United States of America after the American Revolutionary war period right up to this very day. After the defeat of Europe’s
        forces at Yorktown, another military action was projected against
        the new nation in 1812. Once again the military forces were soundly defeated and dispatched in tatters back to the continent by Andrew
        Jackson at the Battle of New Orleans.

        All military options having failed, what’s to be done? Foreign merchants, bankers, and financiers just keep their eyes steadily on the prize.

        The Constitutional Convention had voted 12 colonies against 1 (Rhode Island) to reject an unbacked paper fiat-currency as the medium of exchange for the United States. Read Elliot’s Debates. Rhode Island voiced european intrests, and represented “the friends of paper”. Rejecting the European, unbacked paper currency model, the Founding Fathers gave the United States a bi-metal (gold and silver) backed hard currency. This means that these states united in convention granted power to Congress to COIN the medium of exchange in gold and silver and to regulate the value thereof. When did the power to coin become the power to print unbacked (worthless) paper? Follow U.S. Supreme court cases during and after the Civil War.

        As president of the United States, Andrew Jackson continued to fight the fight off of the battlefield. His tenacity in office held the bankers’ plans for America at bay for about 40 years, until the U.S.
        civil War– with its exacerbation of clandestine foreign involve-ment. Soon after the U.S. civil war, circa 1880s, the policy of Free Trade was hatched in the Office of British Admiralty, wherein the world was regionalized for the purpose of resource allocation and disribution, thus undermining U.S. Constitutional trade and tariff protections.

        Before the 1900′s, Justice White on the U.S. Supreme Court was a Marxist. He supported the second plank of the Communist Manifesto; and, therefore, he favored the planned and forthcoming graduated
        progressive income tax for America. As the Progressives stepped more in to the center stage of power at the turn of the century, two more wars quickly followed (WW I and WW II). These wars sealed the fate
        of this great nation within the complete amalgamation of a foreign monetary and debt structure.

        Enter the progressive era: Agents of change within the progressive movement clamored for social change, and “the friends of paper” emerged in response cutting their path to victory. They eventually establish their paper currency (unbacked debt instruments as federal reserve notes). This Debt based monetary system that we have today is precisely what our Founding Fathers rejected, 12 against 1, when they established this nation. Eventually, gold was removed altogether from circulation by FDR at the stroke of a pen; say bye bye to our U.S. Constitution. Benito Mussolini reportedly said of FDR: “America has a dictator…” I guess, after all, it does take one to know one.

        Remember when we were told we can have Guns and Butter too? Well, continuing war and give-away social programs financed by an implanted foreign monetary system has driven, and will continue to drive, this
        once great nation further and further into debt. Make no mistake about it, over a short period of time this great nation, once conceived in Heaven-Borne Liberty for its People, has been reduced to a nation of debtors in perpetuity- slaves to new masters and their mantra for the masses: “Tax, Tax, Tax, and Spend, Spend, Spend”… and the masters will just keep printing the paper!!

        REMEDY? VOX POPULI!

        That’s us folks.

        Question: Is there an attorney out there who can explain just what the Supremacy Clause (USC) holds when juxtaposed against the 16th Amendment (USC). How does it work? Any test cases? If so, what are the results? Can what’s fundamental to the structure of the Constitution, like Apportionment among the States, be removed.
        Has it been removed? If not, why the Amendment? Hummm…

        Mr. Chip WOOD, that was an excellent aricle on Democracy. That misrepresentation of our form of government has bothered me for quite awhile too. We’re just not getting much representation these days. We probably won’t until We The People wake up and the politicians realize it… Your website is great, with lots of good responses posted.

        Coal Miner, keep on mining. Shucks, just a little more heat and pressure and ya might just find some diamonds…

    • Harinder

      The definitions of democracy can be any depending upon the people who want to define and how this suits them. But The Republic by Pluto gave us the definition and the maladies of so called “democracy” many centuries ago. Just by giving power to vote to elect people who represent (take it as RULE YOU) you does not mean the power lies with the people. Altough, they are made to beleive that you are electing your Government. Let us take an example of the largest democracy in the present world, namely INDIA. To be a candidate for member parliament election a person should have $6 Million and only three percent of Indian population have this kind of money. This kicks out 97% of the population out of the race. Those elected right away start recovering their investment and multiply it through corruption.

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        You are assuming that you as an individual or as part of a group have no power and all is hopeless. That is an assumption falsely made. “Freedom is eternal vigilence”. No one ever wins a war by assigning to their enemy the belief that they have total power to defeat them.

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        This reply was meant for Scott Brown.

    • http://none Alex

      When will you people get off the Tommy Jefferson float? He traded his women with his neighbors!

    • JeffH

      Anthony, I always enjoy your posts.

    • dmp says :

      ANTHONY :

      WHEN I STARTED READING YOUR COMMENTS, I THOUGHT YOU WERE ONLY WRITING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REPUBLIC AND DEMOCRACY. TO MY GREAT SURPRISE, YOU WROTE THE HISTORY OF AMERICA WHEN MOST AMERICANS WERE NOT EVEN CONCEIVED. I REALLY ADMIRE THE POWER OF YOUR MEMORY; REMEMBERING ALL THE PASSAGES AS IF YOU WERE THERE WATCHING WHILE HISTORY BEING SHOWN BEFORE YOUR EYES; ALTHOUGH YOU WERE NOT THERE.

      NOW, WHY PEOPLE NOWADAYS THOUGHT WE ARE A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY, BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN WHAT THEY THOUGHT WE ARE FOR “CENTURIES” OR AT LEAST MANY MANY ” SCORES “. AND THE PROBLEM TODAY, WE (PEOPLE) DOES NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REPUBLIC AND A DEMOCRACY. WHAT WE (MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE ) INCLUDING MYSELF, THOUGHT THAT AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE FREEDOM ( YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE ) WE ARE HAPPY TO BE AN AMERICAN. TODAY, THESE FREEDOMS ARE BEING THREATENED AND ARE IN DANGER OF BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM US BY THE ” OLIGARCHY”. REPUBLIC OR DEMOCRACY DOESN’T MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE; AS LONG AS THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT INTRUDE INTO THE LIVES OF THE LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS. ALL THESE FREEDOMS AND LIBERTIES ARE ONLY GRANTED TO ALL, I MEAN ALL U.S. CITIZENS; NOT TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. OUR SOLUTION IS TO GET RID OF ALL THE “IRRESPONSIBLE ” PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON, WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE TO ALL THE PROBLEMS WE ARE SUFFERING TODAY.

      THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND GOD BLESS AMERICA.

    • bp

      Anthony: Excellent!! Better than any U.S. history class. Thank you both!

    • Another Voice

      Good post and a good article. Our federal republic has managed to survive in spite of the corruption in government. I’m hoping that we’ll continue to oppose corporatism in our government. When all votes in congress are for sale, then the democratic process has little meaning at all.

    • Dan

      This is a great Post!!! For years I have agreed the major direction of the country needed to go is to repeal the 17th amendment, the 16th amendment and elimenate the Centeral Bank. Once the States have control over their Senators, the Federal Government’s finical power is dimished and we are back on the gold standard rather then the fiet that we now have, we will be stronger as a nation, states, communities and as a people. Then our form of government – a Republic Government – will be able to flurish again.

    • Eric

      Anthony, man has been trying to control their fellow man since the beginning of man! I believe there is a new word we should all learn well! The word is GLOBALGARCHY- A FEW GLOBAL ELITIST FAMILIES THAT RULE THE PLANET! The scary part is because of technology these elitist families will control not just a country but the world! I believe there is only one hope for we the people of this world, so we do not become enslaved by these elitists! Here it is! “Wisdom is knowing what to do next;
      virtue is doing it.”
      DAVID STARR JORDAN

    • Doug Y

      Excellent post… to put a few facts in plain english to support this…

      End the FRAUD, End the FED, then we can fix the rest of this mess…(Yeah, the Federal Reserve isn’t even a part of the US government, it’s a private entity with total control over our monetary policy and has never been audited.) No corruption to see here… Move along folks!!! Tell me? Why can banks borrow at 0% to .25% and then lend the money back to the US government at 3% to 5% interest while the taxpayer gets the bill for the interest? Sounds like fraud to me!! Boycott the big banks, and vote out our worthless congress this fall!!! I’d like a loan at 0%, but I’m not a big bank… If corporations are “people” according to the supreme court, then this is discrimination!!!! Quit pointing your finger across the isle and realize that repubs and dems are BOTH shafting us, and both are leaches sucking the wealth of our country to the now global corporate ruling class hell bent on total control and slavery in the name of greed. Back door BP meeting will allow them to get away with this disaster at the expense of… you guessed it, the American Tax Payer, IE: Slave to the corpocracy. All the ranting and raving by politicians is nothing more than a diversion to keep the campaign contributions coming from BP!!!

      FACT: The companies tainting our foods with genetically modified foods are putting this garbage into your body without proper testing, calling them “GRAS” or “generally recognized as safe” making them totally unregulated by the US FDA.

      FACT: The agencies responsible for protecting you from these greedy corporate conglomerates are run by the same people who run these companies.

      FACT: The economic policies of this country are decided by former heads of the largest banks in the world who have their own profits as a higher priority than our national security.

      FACT: The Federal Reserve is a PRIVATE company that has never been audited by congress or the GAO. The Federal Reserve is owned by an international cartell of bankers and DOES NOT have the best interest of America in mind.

      FACT: The Federal Reserve sets the entire monetary policy of our country, and is not responsible or required to disclose to the American people what it does with our money, or who it lends it to.

      FACT: Big Agriculture, Big Pharma, Big Oil, and Big Money give huge campaign donations to BOTH the democrats and republicans in order to ensure that no matter who gets elected, the laws are tilted in their favor, at your expense. Something stinks here, and its not just the tar balls washing up on our beaches. Vote for the candidate you have never heard of to end the fraud in government.

      Fraudulent Federal Reserve Act- 1913
      Great Depression, Bankruptcy of America, and New Deal-1933 just 20 years after.

      You were sold into slavery to the Federal Reserve in 1933
      We are nearing the 100th anniversary of the Federal Reserve Act,
      WHAT do you think they have in store for a centennial party?
      WHY people are not PISSED OFF and TAKING ACTION is beyond me.
      Bernanke should be TRIED for TREASON!

      Did I fail to mention that the Federal Reserve Act was RAMMED through on Christmas Eve while most of our congress was not even there to VOTE on it? Only the perpetrators were there to vote because they KNEW that Congress would have had NO PART of their FRAUD which continues to this day. Welcome to the Fascist States of America you slaves!

    • Blyker

      I think it’d be more accurate to say that we live in a Plutocracy (rule by the wealthy, or power provided by wealth). Our president and most of our politicians are just playing a role they’re designed to play. Bush played the village fool, designed to piss off the left… Obama plays Mr. Alot-of-talk-little-action, designed to piss off the right. And as long as we are divided, those behind the scenes can get even more rich without us paying attention to what’s really going on.

    • Peter

      I’m amazed that all the BO bashers here (I’m not a liberal by the way) have failed to see the basic premise of Mr Woods’ post, in that the promotion of ‘democracy’ has been pushed as a liberal agenda, and that democracy is not the true American tradition. Those with such short sight may like to review recent media history to note that one GW Bush, aka ‘the shrub’, was one of the biggest proponents of “saving Iraq for DEMOCRACY”, and “we will not allow evil-doers to destroy our DEMOCRACY”. Face it folks, both sides of the political fence are embroiled in removing your constitutional rights. Liberals more so, but the GOP are not without blame. Please have the courage to open your eyes and minds to the fact ALL those in power have agendas that are not in your interests, and that includes ALL those currently working as opposition to the currently elected members. Sad to say, but it may take a revolution to set things right again. I fear however, that before that happens it will descend into anarchy more than anything else, so you’d better keep your powder dry for that!

    • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

      I don’t hate you Anthony. I do not know what gave you that idea.

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        Anthony says: it’s just you showin others how much you hate others being the center of attention. In fact, the majority of your condescending rhetoric is quite childish.

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        I am trying to make the point that it is a defeatest attitude to assign overwhelming power to your enemy. You should be looking for and exposing their weaknesses. Limiting government, limiting taxes, enforcing immigration laws, balanced budgets, electing people who will audit the Fed, and working toward establishing a law that judges must interpret the constitution with original intent as a requirement to be a judge are a few I can think of. Maybe you can think of more.

      • kate8

        Bruce D. Again, fine in theory. But how’s that been workin’ out so far?

        As long as we continue to play THEIR game by THEIR rules, we’ll keep going in circles.

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        What exactly are your rules Kate8???? Whatever they are they do not seem to include solutions.

      • kate8

        Bruce, this is why I keep saying we need to ORGANIZE, brainstorm, pray. The other side is EXTREMELY well organized. They TRAIN their members on how to speak, to mislead, to distort.

        We have the advantage of good will and truth on our side. We stand for right, liberty, fair play and honesty. But we have been operating on the DEFENSIVE. That gets us nowhere.

        The things you offer, like enforcing immigration laws, limiting government, etc., would be great, but we need a truly representative Congress. We need courts who will uphold the Constitution. WE DON’T HAVE THOSE THINGS. Playing within these boundaries is getting us nothing, and it has been going on for decades.

        We need new, creative ideas. I wish I had answers, but there are much smarter people out there than me who can come up with some. Where there is a will, there is a way.

        Insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. We need to come up with new ideas, strategies, whatever. People like Michelle Bachmann are great, but we need many more like her.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The biggest problem with judges and law is, is that once they have reached a decision on something in a previous case, they are bound by those decisions, and use them all the time, which is absurd. Common sense has been thrown out, and the laws have been prostituted by many defense lawyers and judges, to where it all needs rewrote and redone, in accordance with the constitution. When things happen like a guy robs a church, takes a break on the roof, sits on a skylight and falls through and breaks his back, then is allowed to sue the Church and wins, well, something is drastically wrong with the system. Most of it boils down to lawyers. They could care less about right or wrong. They prostitute the truth, they are allowed to hide facts, and its just all messed up, and needs to be redone. I dont see that happening, and only when Jesus comes again and wrong is made right, there wont be justice delivered from our human courts and judges.

    • http://www.truedawnrising.blogspot.com Jerry D

      So true, Anthony. I’ve been saying the same thing for years, but people are just now starting to listen at all. There are still not enough who truly believe the truth to make a difference. The end of freedom in America is in sight. The sad truth is that most of the sheep will not realize the difference.

    • David

      Chip is quite wrong. (Irresponsibly so)

      1. When Dr. Franklyn said to that woman outside of Independence Hall, “A Republic, if you can keep it”, he was implying a democratic republic. Otherwise what does the phrase “if you can keep it” mean? It’s obvious to those attempting to be fair that it meant a “government of the people”.

      2. A republic is “a form of government where there is no king, and those holding political power do so, not by birth, but by being elected to office”. Our Founding Fathers were students of the Enlightenment and thereby were rejecting the “Divine Right of Kings”.

      3. Let us remember that the USSR stood for the Union of Soviet Socialist REPUBLICS. But there was nothing democratic about that republic. The word in front of republic is kind of important don’t you think?

      4. We are DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC. We are not a direct democracy such as exited during our formative years. Please consult the Federalist Papers for an explanation as to why. We are a representative or indirect democracy.

      5. There are only three types of government, and each centers around where the power to rule (sovereignty) resides. Here are the three: The power of one (monarchy); the power of the few (aristocracy); and the power of the many (democracy). Each one has a good form and a bad form. It is a good form of government if it is based on rule of law and justice. It is a bad form if it is based on lawlessness and whim. All three forms of government can deteriorate into a bad form.

      6. When monarchy deteriorates, it becomes a dictatorship. When aristocracy (rule by the best) deteriorates it becomes an oligarchy.
      When a democracy deteriorates (yes it can)it becomes a plutocracy (rule by the rich) or mob rule (anarchy).

      7. The Founding Fathers gave us a mixed and balanced form of government which, fundamentally, was designed to check the natural abuse and corruption of power. They institutionalized the three forms of government all at once, and required that each one would need the other two to be able to function. The President is government of the ONE. The Senate is government of the FEW. The House of Representatives is government of the MANY.

      8. A lynch mob is NOT democracy in action, Chip. It is lawlessness and crime. A democracy is based on majority rule grounded in law. It is also based on the democratic value of recognition of minority rights grounded in law.

      9. We are a democracy!

      • coal miner

        David,

        You are right.We still live in a democracy.I hope we can keep it.

        Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
        — Voltaire

    • Karen

      That was great info from Chip and Anthony. I definitely want our Republic back. How can we go about getting rid of the Income Tax and the Federal Reserve. It would also be a great idea to get limitations on the Federal Judges terms in office.

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