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Would They Do That? Benevolent Totalitarianism

June 10, 2010 by  

Would They Do That? Benevolent Totalitarianism

Remember David Koresh and the Branch Davidians?

You look like me. You talk like me. You go to the same schools and churches with me. You grew up in the same culture. Why would you use force of arms against me and even kill me and my children, maybe burn us alive? Because your mind is seduced by government propaganda and you are on the Federal payroll and pension plan.

The truth is the government and its military complex can create serious and divisive issues that can separate families and even set family members against each other. And of course government always has the issues of race, class and economic warfare at its disposal.

Currently 50 percent of the American population supports the other 50 percent with their income taxes. The producers support the non-producers.

Your Congressmen and Senators are supported by the super rich, but they legislate in favor of the non-producers at the expense of the producing middle class. They never use terms that express what they are doing. They address the people with altruistic and collectivist statements. They use “for the greater good” which translates “share your production with the non-producers and the non-producing parasite system.”

The term “the greater good” is not for the individualist and his pursuit of happiness.

Big government has an endless bag of tricks to keep the pot of population boiling over with issues that divide the people against themselves.

The American people still believe, or can easily be persuaded that if the “Feds” get after you, then you must have done something wrong. They don’t stop to think that the men manning the guns are government employees. They are paid gunmen even if they are ordered to shoot their brothers.

And then there is that subtle economic class war syndrome that implies that the accumulation of wealth makes one dirty.

Aha! But governments are subject to public opinion when it rises toward unanimous. Foreign wars now fit this category. The public mind no longer believes government’s reasons for going to war. The people are building an immunity to war propaganda.

Fiat governments have endless means to achieve what they want. And they want war. They want foreign wars and they want domestic wars.

The means to war is paper money. Propaganda and fiat (paper money) is the cause and makes it all possible. Does anyone think that war in any age could be carried out with a gold monetary system? Governments would find it impossible to get enough gold to carry on the high cost of war.

World War II and subsequent wars were possible because all combatants used fiat money which each country could create for nothing.

Benevolent Totalitarianism
Benevolent totalitarianism is a term created to describe the modern system of government that is fascism in all but name. It is all hidden under that loving word “democracy.” This is a political lock with an iron grip on the minds of the population.

Any political, economic or military alchemy or chicanery is hidden behind the word “democracy.” This is a major, major key to understanding reality today.

Let me explain: Nazism was an unvarnished police state based on massive propaganda that funneled the German mind to focus on the State for protection and safety. Millions were persuaded to die. The men were drafted with the support of the population until their destruction could be ignored no longer.

The German fiat army was defeated by the American and British fiat army only with greater numbers of fiat soldiers and fiat war material.

So what is the difference between ugly and obvious Nazi fascism and modern fascism under the pretense of democracy? Modern fascism is hidden and twisted under an aura of benevolence.

After all, the modern propagandists have learned volumes since Nazi fascism. The modern police state does everything possible to make modern fascism palatable. It is being refined every minute of every day.

The lid is still on but millions are beginning to slip through the cracks. They no longer trust the propaganda, the politicians and the ruling elite.

As the American people are impoverished, they may consider that they have less to lose by confrontation to the system.

The “benevolent” police state is no longer characterized by the loud knock on the door in the middle of the night but by an unassuming letter in the mail from the government tax collector which has all the power and intimidation of the Gestapo. That letter is backed by the police power of the State and harassment of assuming tax authority that has a very detailed profile on every filing taxpayer who has made himself available to “voluntary compliance.”

American taxing authority is, “Your papers, please. Where are your papers?”

When “benevolent government” seeks a citizen out it has a complete dossier and profile which can be manipulated in a thousand ways against a “suspected enemy of the State.” The jackboot and the Swastika have been replaced with a suave and very sophisticated information system backed by State police power. The noose is formidable but not visible to the mundane public.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Carlos

    Great article I forwarded to my kids and friends. This is no news to me is been going on for quite a long time. Our current government purposely, by design, wants more people to depend on them. Also by design they will drain the wealth of the country. Once they accomplish this, they will take over and become a totalitarian government. Obama is not the first president working towards that goal, its been going on for quite a wile, remember those that advocate for “One World Order”. Too many Americans are naïve to think it would’nt happen here, but the fact is that is happening under the name of “democracy”. The only positive I see about Obama is that he is waking up many people to participate in their government. Hopefully they will have enough sense to change the ties. I did not vote for him but the opossiton was’nt any better either. For too many years both parties have been failing this great country. God Bless America.

  • FRED

    What is happening in the USA today has been happening in Europe for 100′s of year. Before the royalty took what it needed when it needed, then the socialists – comunist with the help of unions took over the taking, now every government in the world thinks they have the right to milk the land dry.

    I heard my Mexican Friend say:” If you have a party using DEMOCRATIC in their name you are dealing with a bunch of liers but when they call them self “DEMOCRATS – SOCIALISTIC” you have a party of liers and thiefs.

    I left Europe in the fifthies because of what was happening – the destruction of the initiative of the individual.

    In my opinion the destruction of the USA started with “Political Correctness”, used as a weapon the average man is defenseless.

  • raven

    Jopa:

    It is sad to see someone who does not know what to think, when the facts about government plundering and evil men are so easy to see. You will reap what you sow, collectively we all stand to reap a good deal of pain because the consequences of stupidity usually eliminates the stupidity.

  • Dagney

    “The means to war is paper money. Propaganda and fiat (paper money) is the cause and makes it all possible. Does anyone think that war in any age could be carried out with a gold monetary system? Governments would find it impossible to get enough gold to carry on the high cost of war.”

    “The German fiat army was defeated by the American and British fiat army only with greater numbers of fiat soldiers and fiat war material.”

    I have a question regarding the above quotes from the original article. I’m starting to understand how printing money is a hidden tax to us all because it devalues the dollars we do have. However, if we were to go on a gold standard and all our enemies stayed with their “fiat” money, wouldn’t we be more easily defeated in a war? I mean, the first quote above makes no sense to me because war is brought on by human nature, not by the type of money we have. And, we cannot force other countries to stop printing money. So, how would our going to a gold standard stop wars?

    We cannot change human nature. This is what drives me crazy about liberals. All their utopian dreams do not account for human nature and what will help people become better than their inclinations. Am I making sense?

    If you continue to hand out money to people, they will continue to take it and think they deserve it all the while hating the people who give it to them and not knowing why they are so unhappy. If you help and encourage people to support themselves, they become happier, excited about their work, learn to produce more, achieve pride in themselves, etc. This is all basic common sense and human nature. It drives me crazy that liberals do not get it. They call themselves the smartest people in the room! Clearly they are not.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Dagney,
      You are assuming wars have been fought for the reasons expressed in the main stream media and in history books. Nothing could be further from the truth. Wars are fought to benefit the military-industrial complex, corporatists and the state at the expense of the people (especially the soldiers who are used as cannon fodder). Countries followed the US off the gold standard, and since all currencies are tied to the US dollar if we went onto a gold standard they would have to eventually follow suit.
      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • 45caliber

        All currencies WERE tied to the US dollar. They are now tied to the Euro but that is now looking bad. They may go back to the dollar.

        All wars are started due to greed. That may be by the ones who get rich off the sale of arms but it is usually because politicians are trying to use their “power” to hide something else.

        For instance, FDR and friends got us into WWII because too many people were worried about the economy. Think not? Did you not know that the military knew 2 WEEKS before Pearl Harbot that it was going to be attacked because we were supporting the Chinese? They decided to not tell Pearl because they wanted to shock the citizens of the US into agreeing to war. In fact they sent a message to the Admiral at Pearl the evening before. “Expect a surprise in the morning.” He thought it meant that some navy planes were going to stage a mock attack and had all ammo locked up.

        Check all the past wars including WWII. As far as I can tell ALL wars except those since 9-11 were started by Democrats who were hoping to use the war to get attention from what they were doing. Clinton tried several times to keep media attention off his mistresses. 9-11 was an exception since it was due to an attack on us. Desert Storm may or may not have been an exception but probably wasn’t even though it started under a GOP.

    • George Halepis

      What made this country the greatest, most powerful in history is unparalleled production. What made this possible is freedom which we still had while we were on the gold standard. Fiat allows governments to finance illegitimate programs like aggressive wars via inflation which is an indirect form of taxation. War is the health of the state, which allows it to increase its power while the people lose theirs. The Founders believed in peaceful commerce with all nations and entangling alliances with none.

      • 45caliber

        Because we allowed our citizens the freedom to make decisions, production was higher and many new inventions came about that helped further. In addition, our soldiers were allowed battlefield improvision. Instead of spelling out exactly what they were supposed to do, they were given goals. (“Take that hill!”) The other armies had officers spelling out how to do it. (“You must charge directly up this flank until you overrun the top of that hill.”) However, since Congress began to try to micromanage everything our own military is poorer than it used to be despite officers still trying to allow the soldiers some leaway.

      • DaveH

        Very well put, George.

    • JC

      For some perspective you probably haven’t seen, find and read
      “A Century of War” by John V. Denson.
      That will open your eyes.

  • Conservative at Birth

    Sadly, many Americans have chosedn ingnorance over knowledge. Those of us who have not must make every attempt to educate our fellow citizens to the perils of apathy. I see no alternative, or we will end up with armed insurrection, if we still have our weapons.

  • BobbyB

    Please folks, take a look around you. Clinton greatly reduced the welfare state.
    The amount of $ we give to the poor pales in comparison to what we give to the rich. Bush, not Obama started the financial bailouts to the tune of 800 BILLION.
    That money went in the pockets of Blankfien and others of his ilk, not Leroy and Juan as they would like you to believe. Wake up and smell the [offensive term removed]!

    • George Halepis

      You mean that the statists [liberals] haven’t impoverished minorities by making them dependent? That’s how they buy votes! The point is that the corporate/welfare state is the very essence of fascism, which is exactly what we now have and have had for at least the last 75 years.

      • Ms. Jones

        Amen! Have you ever heard a successful man or woman say, “I wouldn’t be where I am today if it hadn’t been for welfare (food stamps, Section 8 housing, etc.)?

      • 45caliber

        Star Parker in LA (now running for Congress) insists that welfare is the worst thing that every happened to the blacks. She was on it for sometime before she wised up.

      • DaveH

        It is. It is the perfect way to keep a people from progressing. When the time comes that the money runs out (and it will, just look at Greece) those people who don’t know how to take care of themselves will be in deep doo doo.

      • angel-wanna-be

        45caliper__ star parker has quite a life story, and your not going to pull anything over on her either, because she lived practically everything in life, both good and bad!

    • uSNpops

      Bush had no choice but to sign the Bailout. He was told when it hit his desk that if he vetoed it, congress would override his veto. And Pelosi and Reid made that very clear. I wish he has vetoed it, and let the congress take the heat, but he didn’t, and the rest is history.

      • DaveH

        Bush was spending like a drunken sailor. Admittedly, he pales in comparison to Obama, but I think he would have vetoed it if he really wanted to. Look at Reagan. He also had a hostile Congress (even his own party members) but he vetoed more bills than any other president in my lifetime (60 years). And 12% of them were overridden, but there was nothing he could do about that.

      • Delores Smith

        uSNpops
        I wonder who told Bush that Pelosi and Reed would force a bailout vote, if Bush did not give Paulson the approval to request it. Well, Paulson, formerly CEO of Goldman Sachs whose staff went to Timothy Geithner, went to the Committee very nervously stating that “the sky was falling.” I believe that Paulson convinced Bush to approve the bailout, with a script by Geithner,
        Bernanke and a bit of Paulson. Bush can be blamed for approving the bailout…with deceit. What happened to the toxic assets? Delores Smith Delores109@cox.net

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    This dumb lemming might not be good for the cause; “united we stand” now march on into the sea and have some oil before you drown. I would think a united mass might be more manageable than a fractured one. The oligarchy seems to think the opposite –divide and conquer and so they have. Totalitarianism can be almost anything read The Iron Heel
    Or check it out here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Heel

    HFlashman; Thanks for your well written and thoughtful comment – you got it right.

    • JeffH

      …with your head lying comfortably on your “surealistic pillow”…it’s all been a dream…

  • Jiim

    “Currently 50 percent of the American population supports the other 50 percent with their income taxes. The producers support the non-producers

    BS … 50% of people pay income taxes of which accounts for 40% of the budget … everyone pays the other 60% in the form of local taxes such as sales, gas and other levies. No one gets a free ride … we do not have 60% of our people sitting around waiting for handouts as non- producers. Even illegals pay taxes somewhere.

    • JC

      Income taxes?

    • George Halepis

      Oh, so everyone contributes and partakes of the goodies equally? You CANNOT be serious! If that’s the case, then why not allow everyone to keep what’s his and not allow anyone to take what’s not his? Which is, of course, the way it should be. If it’s morally wrong for me to steal from you, then it should be morally wrong for a third party [government] to steal [via taxation] from you to give to me, which is what the Founders intended and made this country great.

    • Ms. Jones

      “BS … 50% of people pay income taxes of which accounts for 40% of the budget … everyone pays the other 60% in the form of local taxes such as sales, gas and other levies. No one gets a free ride … we do not have 60% of our people sitting around waiting for handouts as non- producers. Even illegals pay taxes somewhere.”

      Jiim: City taxes support city budgets; sales taxes support state and local budgets or projects (like building sports arenas). They do NOT support the federal budget. When someone gets a federal income tax refund when he paid no federal income taxes, that is wealth redistribution and THEFT!

    • independant thinker

      It is true the illegals pay some taxes. What they pay is mostly if not totaly state and local taxes. The illegals do pay sales taxes when they make a purchase in a store. They do pay property taxes either directly on property they managed to buy or indirectly in their rent. However many if not all do not pay federal taxes because they work off the books for cash they also do not pay state income taxes.

      • 45caliber

        They also buy two sets of ID papers. They work on one and draw welfare under the other. Every six months they change. At the end of the year they file two income tax returns both showing six months on welfare. So they not only get all their income taxes back but also some of the other “free” money.

        Further they don’t always pay rent. My wife inherited a house. We had to take half price for it because twenty something illegals moved in without paying anything. I tried to get them evicted but was told that if I did they would come back and tear up the house since no one would be living there. In fact, the real estate salesman told me that they NEVER locked an empty house because they would break the door moving in.

    • valricoslash

      What rope have you been smokin’? If you truely wanted everyone to pay taxes regardless of income, then the only fair tax would be a consumption tax (sales tax) on everything you purchase. Rich people would still pay more in taxes because they buy more expensive items. And yes the non-working poor would pay a much higher perecentage of their income in taxes (which to you blathering liberals seems unfair), but then, they don’t earn their income anyway, unless you call sitting in line at the welfare office work.

      So get your head out of your ass Jimm. Just take a look at greece. It is comming here sooner than you think.

    • 45caliber

      The 50% who are supported by the rest of us includes all government workers as well as welfare people. After all, their money has to come from somewhere. Money offically represents the value of goods produced but government employees produce nothing that can be exchanged for money.

      Actually about 53% of the population of the US are either on welfare or work for the feds, states, local, or schools.

    • DaveH

      So Jiim, if that 50% pays 1% of the budget, that’s okay? How about if they pay for 5%, is that okay? Or maybe 10%? Where do we draw the line between somebody getting a free ride or paying their own way?

      On top of paying a greatly reduced share of the Government expenditures, they get an equal vote to those who pay the lion’s share. That’s just? Of course, if they have little skin in the game, what do they care if the money is wasted?

      If I designed a country every adult would owe the same taxes. Those that couldn’t pay would be the ones who spent time filling out the paperwork to justify not paying their fair share. And they wouldn’t be allowed to vote until they were paying their fair share.

  • commonsense247

    Several individuals on Sojourners.com, all admittedly Progressives, have first treaded lightly into the subject but with the election of Obama – Jim Wallis being one of his spiritual advisers – have been emboldened to clearly and bluntly claim that they are hoping and working towards a ‘benevolent king’ or ‘ruler’ to be leader of this nation, and quite likely the world. Totalitarianism, anti-liberty, anti-freedom, and the antithesis of the very principles upon which this nation was founded.

  • jopa

    Great article; I have often wondered what to think of the Bush Cheney political scheme, and it turns out to be Nazism.

    • JeffH

      jopa…any relation to Van Der Sloot?

  • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

    Keep up the good work Bob. Great article as it keeps the focus of the debate where it should be. The Democrats will only win if the focus of the debate comes off big government spending and growth. It is also a wake up call to progressive Republicans if they want to keep their jobs.

    • JeffH

      Bruce D., right on.

  • emmie

    One only has to recall what happened after LBJ’s Great Society. More gimmies than one can imagine. What did the recipients do? They burned down the major cities across the land. Entitlements are never-ending, and those who receive them have an insatiable thirst for more; they are never satisfied. Livingston’s observations are sickeningly true, and if we, as a culture, do not (1) recognize the problem and (2) elect officials who can and will reverse the situation, we are doomed.

    • DaveH

      Right on, Emmie. All one has to do is know a teenager into adulthood. In their teens, the parents are “ruining their lives”, and that doesn’t change until they leave the house (willingly or not) and pay for their own lives. Then suddenly, they become decent human beings.

  • JC

    A couple of quotations come to mind

    “Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
    ~ Hermann Goering

    “Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.”

    “We cannot but be astonished at the ease with which men resign themselves to ignorance about what is most important for them to know; and we may be certain that they are determined to remain invincibly ignorant if they once come to consider it as axiomatic that there are no absolute principles.”

    “Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim – when he defends himself – as a criminal.”

    “Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Thus the beneficiaries are spared the shame and danger that their acts would otherwise involve… But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them and gives it to the other persons to whom it doesn’t belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish that law without delay … No legal plunder; this is the principle of justice, peace, order, stability, harmony and logic.”

    Frederic Bastiat ~ The Law

    • kate8

      Great post, JC.

      • JC

        Thanks Kate,
        If you haven’t read “The Law” yet, you should.

  • angel-wanna-be

    Demonize those that work hard for success & prosperity, so they can pay for those that won’t. Your right Bob and others, fear and keeping the people stupid, is Governments only hope. And now allegedly trying to regulate the Internet. WHY?_to cut down on opposition, dissent, and to keep the American people from arming themselves with pertinent information. They say money is power, so is information and why Government wants to cut down on the info flow.! We need to saturate and wallow in information, all we can!___GOD BLESS AMERICA

    • 45caliber

      When Clinton was in office, he had the Privacy Improvement Act passed. What it does is require that all communication devices such as telephones, fax machines, and computers have a chip installed that records everything transmitted. Government computers can contact these items and copy that information. It is then searched for key words such as “bomb” and if such words occur the message is flagged for a human to see. The search words can be changed at any time. The SCOTUS ruled it was illegal prior to him getting it passed by Congress but since Congress passed the law as a form of the Commerce clause, it has been ignored ever since. Without private communication any attempt to rebel is useless. No one can organize without the government knowing.

      However the internet is HUGE. It would be difficult to scan every message sent. So if you want to insure that no one uses it, you much control it.

      Incidently did you know that over 60% of all spy satellites are pointed at the US – by the US? They take a photo of every place in the US every four seconds. These photos are of a quality to allow enough expansion to allow someone to read a newspaper laying on the ground. Since they can also measure heat, they can “see” people inside most houses. These photos are not allowed to be used for normal crimes due to a desire to not let the population know they are being spied upon by their own government. However they were used to identify McVey when he bombed the building in OK and have been used a few times for similar purposes.

      • angel-wanna-be

        45caliper, nothing surprises me about the Government. If they’re looking into our home letem!__I grow flowers, plant veggies, paint and take care of my grandkids, if that makes me a threat, so be it.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Angel,
        Now I feel like going out in my back yard and flippin’ the bird at the sky tomorrow!!!!

      • angel-wanna-be

        JoeH, how funny is that, I thought about doing the same thing!_ROFLMAO

  • FreedomFighter

    17th amendment does need to go.

    FF

  • jomama

    I want to respond to Chris:
    Do you remember the guy (I forget his name) from NH who didn’t file his taxes & when the Feds came to collect them, the guy wouldn’t let them in & locked himself inside his house with his wife for months?? Well, they ended up shutting off his water & electricity if I remember correctly – they had to bust in & take him down with shock grenades.
    It was awful.
    All because he said he had the right NOT to pay his income tax.
    I think he owed them for a few years.
    Anyway – good luck with that. Keep us posted

    • 45caliber

      The government will also set liens against any property you own. When you sell it, they keep the money for “back taxes”. Further, after a few years, they can come in and take it back even if you are living there. Personally, it isn’t practical to simply not pay. Besides, if you look closely, you can find ways to get around most of the tax anyway. Most of us simply don’t have the time or the taxes we have are too small to spend that time hunting the loop holes. That’s why the rich pay little and hire good tax preparers who know where the loop holes are.

  • valricoslash

    Great article. Two statements could have been taken directly from my mind. First, that politicians get their monetary support from the rich only to legislate for the poor. Youw owuld think that therich would be smart enough to know that the very people they are supporting are screwing them. It is easy for a rich person to say that people of wealth should pay even more taxes, becasue in the end they will still have million left. But, if you are a middle class worker, even one that makes a six figure income, once the IRS gets through picking your pocket you generally have about the same amount of spending money as a worker who makes consdierably less money or none at all. For example, I earn about $61K a year. After taxes,my 401K etc. dedcutions I actually bring home about $42K. My son-in-law, earns about $26K a year. He pays absolutely no taxes except for social security and medicare. He gets back from the government between $7k and $8K (freebies from Uncle Sugar) a year from taxes he does not pay because of such things as child care credits, low income credits, etc. That brings his income up to $34K a year. Only slightly less than my take home.

    This goes to the second statement about half of the people support the other half. How long can we sustaine this? It won’t be long, if we are not there already, that less than half of the people will be supporting the rest. Once that happens it is all over. just look at Greece and soon to be other benevolant European socialist countries. There is rioting in the streets because the the number of “Haves” has been reduced tothe point that they can no longer support the “Have Nots” who refuse to give up their freebies, or evene a protionof them. this same thing wilhappen in this country if we don’t start controlling the public employee unions. Soem of thes people are retireing at 90 percent of their highes salaries. Not bad for not having to go to work. that is why California, New York, and soon to be New Jersey are broke. Once they can no longer get these redicuouls retirement payouts, they will surely take to the streets. It is time that we took back our country and send the socialist do-gooders fo the nanny state packing. this must be done sooner rather than later.

  • gary

    Of course Anthony is correct in what he says. The problem is that it is probably already too late. I think in a very short period of time, the USA will succumb to total socialistic control. Why? Because most people in the country want to be taken care of and do not believe what is coming. YEs there are a lot of angry citizens today that think they can change things by their vote, but it is all rigged against them. Citizens of the USA are so very gullible that they will believe nearly anything a politician tells them. A case in point is the recent primaries where democrats were reelected because they have been taking lessons about lieing from Obama. You tell those lemmings what they want to hear you say and you will get elected.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      gary,
      I will never give in to total socialism! I can’t even stand the thought!! God Bless a free America, May she ever be so!!!

      • JeffH

        Joe H, Amen to you brother.

      • kate8

        “Freedom’s just another word for…nothing left to lose……”

      • JeffH

        …ah kate8…

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        Nope JJ!!!

      • JeffH

        Bobby Magee

      • angel-wanna-be

        kate8 AND WE AIN’T NOTHING HONEY, IF WE AIN’T FREE!!

    • angel-wanna-be

      gary, in part you are right, a lot of people do want to be taken care of, especially the younger generation. They want to be taken care of UNTIL, they realize what little freedom they have left and that’s whats happening today!__More and more people have awakened, we all have! Our kids in their 20′s and 30′s and their friends, have crawled on the wagon with us two years ago. Between us we’ve bought 24 different books ranging from Original Intent to Sacred Fire. We must keep arming ourselves, our families and friends with info.
      BTW__The word is spreading__There is a business just down the road from us, who are known Democrats. They’ve erected a sign in their front yard, so large, you could see what it says from and airplane it says
      “NO AMERICAN SOCIALISM!”___I say Keep the Faith and God Bless Us All!

      • JeffH

        angel-wanna-be..people are getting educated y the day, let’s just hope enough wise up to the “NO SOCIALISM FOR AMERICA”.

      • angel-wanna-be

        At’s what I’m sayin’ JeffH, I pray the Good Lord will mount up and ride with us!

      • kate8

        I agree, angel-.

        Evil forces have all the world’s tools at their disposal: media, law-enforcement, education, medicine…all calculated to keep us fearful, stressed and hopeless. It’s all psy-ops.

        I recently heard someone talking about how it’s all to keep us unaware of how powerful we can actually be as spiritual beings. We are being placed on the defensive. Somehow, we need to reverse that.

      • JeffH

        kate8, very true. I never thought during my “dumb” years that we would be facing these challenges in our own nation’s capital. The fight for our very existance rests in our hands now…no one elses.

      • JeffH

        it’s up to us angel-wanna-be, if the good lords willin’ an’ the creeks don’t rise, to effect the changes for our countries return to a citizen government anf to never get caught “flat footed” again.

      • angel-wanna-be

        kate8, I think to a point we have to remain on the defensive Kate. But We CAN’T over step our bounds and get violent or crazy about it. I’ve been on this earth for almost 54 years. Two years ago, I felt a real need to learn about American History and politics today. When I started my information gathering, I was never more ill at ease, than I was, with this administration and still am. My Husband who is the eternal optomist, feels the same way.
        I’m surprised at nothing in life, Kate, I’ve seen waaaay too much good and bad, to be gulliable or foolish. For starters, I was suppose to have been an abortion and lived, it’s been and up hill battle ever since.
        Thank christ Bob L. has this site, It’s infomative, and fun speaking to people across the country. To share views and compare notes. take care

      • kate8

        angel-, being on the defensive is a weak place to be. I didn’t mean, by reversing that, to in any way imply violence. There are other ways to go on the offense and still be good, kind, loving people.

        Progressives is very much on the offensive, in every sense of the word. We could learn from some of their organizing tactics, in order to beat them at their own game. We just can never stoop to their hellish level.

        God bless.

      • angel-wanna-be

        Kate8, no, no I didn’t mean to give you impression I meant violence. In other words, I meant, we have to hold our course and stay vigilant, like never before.

      • kate8

        angel-, I’m with you. Absolutely.

    • Delores Smith

      GARY,
      I think that we can rearrange The House and The Senate in Novemeber. Gary, I think that Americans are more aware…and they care. How’s that for poetry?
      Delores Smith
      Delores109@cox.net

  • http://WindowsInternetExplorer Walter Brown

    If there is no “law” requiring U.S. citizens to pay federal income taxes, then how does the federal government get people to pay these taxes? Should citizens be pushing for a “flat tax or fair tax” as opposed to what we have now? The country will cease to exist if “WE THE PEOPLE” do not work ddiligently to change the present tax system and push congress to cut spending in a responsible way.

    • Strawberry Shortcake

      “If there is no “law” requiring U.S. citizens to pay federal income taxes, then how does the federal government get people to pay these taxes?”

      Fear and keeping people ignorant.

      • kate8

        Also has something to do with being a natural sovereign human vs being property of the State (possessing a SS#), jurisdiction and maritime law.

        Most people mess up on income tax issues because they inadvertently place themselves under State jurisdiction, usually by giving a wrong answer. One really has to know what they are doing to attempt this, because the government is expert at knowing how to trap you.

        As natural sovereigns we are protected by the Constitution, and are only bound by statutes by consenting to being under maritime jurisdiction.

        It’s all very convoluted.

      • Gordon DeSpain

        Kate8

        “Also has something to do with being a natural sovereign human vs being property of the State (possessing a SS#), jurisdiction and maritime law.”

        You’re absolutely right, and, the most insidious of these devices was inadvertantly created by the 14th Amendment. It ‘created’ a little ‘c’ “citizen of the United States,” a ‘virtual citizen’ of the 10 miles square District of Columbia. You also need to know the proper name of the United States, is: the “United States (in Congress Assembled).” And, a “citizen of the United States” is a ‘virtual person,, subject to the control of the Federal Government, with only such “privileges and immunities granted by the “United States.” Both “citizen,” “person,” and, all forms of “reside” are considered transient. This means that if you are living in the house you were born in, have never been more than 10 miles from home, and, you intend to die in that house, you are treated as ‘temporarily residing’ in the place of your birth.

        The way they trap you into this is a question that is on every Government Form, “Are you a citizen of the United States?” If you answer, “Yes,” you are now a citizen of the District of Columbia, and, protected from the Constitution.

        The Zip Code is another…it is not a Postal Code, it is an Internal Revenue Code that the Postal Department was ordered by Congress to require for the delivery of Mail.

        This is the one several instances where Maritime Law is your friend. On the advice of Justice Hugo Black, who said, “If the people do not declare their Rights, I cannot protect their Rights.” To regain your Uppercase “Citizen” title, you must write a “Declaration of Constitutional Rights.” Then, have it registered with the Attorney General of your State, designating you a “Local National” of that State. When you sign any type of Government document, just above your signature, write, “With reservation of all Constitutional Rights, UCC 1-207″ (Universal Commerce Code 1-207), this is the ‘short form’ of a Declaration of Rights (every thing, especially your name, must be written in upper and lower case letters, exactly as on your Birth Certificate).

      • kate8

        Thank you, Gordon DeSpain. How can I learn more? Do you know of a reliable source?

      • JC

        Excellent.

    • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

      We need an exise tax that would eliminate the IRS from most of our lives. The excise tax would be to replace the income tax and in no way added to the income tax as the two together would just suck all the money out of the private sector. Something Obama is pushing for.

      • DaveH

        Getting rid of the onerous Income Tax System would definitely be a good thing, but first and foremost we need to do something about the out-of-control Government spending.

  • HFlashman

    Interesting thought processes. Examining history, in 1979, the federal deficit was 63 billion dollars and the debt was less than a trillion. 12 years of Republican administration (Reagan was the worst in piling it on) gave us massive debt and deficit spending. At the end of Reagan’s fiasco of economic rule, we had 2.5 trillion in debt and the annual deficit was $206 billion and climbing. Earning power for all except the upper wealth brackets dropped for the frst time since the Depression.

    Clinton came and the percent of debt to GDP dropped. We end the Clinton Era with a budget surplus and the debt was being paid off. CBO estimated we would have been debt free by 2012. And then came the Bush/Cheney years of graft, corruption, entrenchment of the wealthy and corporate interests.

    What did we gain from the Republican rule since 1980? Entrenchment of the class system, lower wealth for all but the Uppe Elite and Corporate interests, small business declined, overall taxes on the middle income went up, personal liberties restricted, and the govrnment intruded into our lives as never before in history.

    Examine the built in deficit spending Obama inherited from Bush/Cheney. Go ahead, take a gander and one realizes that the current deficit spending was a foregone conclusion. Anyone elected after Bush/Cheney was going to have this deficit spending…that is unless they were going to send us spirialing into a Great Depression.

    Such are inesacapable facts. To state otherwise is to either ignore reality or exemplify such a level of simplistic thinking as to make any sane person wonder what was indeed in the tea drunk at the party.

    Since 2000, we have had the passage of the unPatriotic Act…cheered on as our Rights, liberites and freedoms wre ripped away. We have seen the federalization of our school system taking away local control and …as a fact … limiting the ability to prevent propganda being fed to our kids and dumbing them down even further. We have had the wealthy given untold trillions in tax breaks and welfare while the remainder are burdened with increased taxes and increasing debt. We have had the decline of the family farm and small business. And now we have a portion of the ppulace cheer these as good…and demanding the end of an administration geared towards reversing the trend.

    Personally, I am disgusted at the growth of the ranting mobs against the efforts of this adminstration at trying to bring under control the giveaway of rule and our freedoms. Not one protested during the Bush/Cheney years at the damage wrought yet now it is all consuming them as if they were protesting all along (in reality they were sheep led and duped by lies of unfounded fear).

    Trust the claims that they now know how to fix it? Bah…it’s shown that give the fringe right the reins and we spial down to totalitarianism ruled by an oligarhcy of eleite and corporate interests. And the solution offered today by the Right as to any “fix”. Yes…the silence is deafening. They offer no solution because the only one available is being enacted as we speak and wtire today. Yet…they want to overturn the election and vote of the people because by gawd….the damage the Right has done to this Nation isn’t good enough. They want to complete what was begun by Reagan….nothing less than the destruction of our Nation as we know it. The same goal as our enemies.

    • CJ

      What fails to be considered, in your assessment, is most administrations deal with the fallout of the previous one. Reagan’s dealing with issues was from actions of the Carter and Ford administration, so they set thing going in the right direction. Then, after Reagan got things headed in the right direction, with only a little help from Bush, Clinton comes in and reaps the benefits of his predesessor. The havoc put in place by the Clintons didn’t manifest itself until Bush II arrived into office.

      With the current administration, they have set out to completely change EVERYTHING about our country, and are stopping at nothing to reak total havoc, to the extent of authorizing more deficit expenses then the previous three (so far) and they’re not half way through their term. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

      • Richard Pawley

        Unfortunately what you say is true and there is a danger that the terrible spending going on in Congress as we type will not cause the tripling of prices of food and fuel until after the next election. If Tea Party Constitutional Conservatives get elected en masse this fall they will of course stop the squandering of what’s left of our meager wealth but they then might get blamed for the inflation that is the inevitable result of the spending of the Democratic Congress for the past four years. Still, we should not worry about who might get blamed for what is in the future. There is enough blame to go around. Two things HFlashman did not mention is that the 2.5 Trillion Reagan’s Congress spent to defeat the Soviet Empire and rebuild our military and intelligence forces is the equivalent of 5 Trillion in today’s inflated dollars. It really is. I just looked it up. Secondly, the purchasing power of workers did not go down just as a result of what Congress spent while Reagan was president. That has been going down since John Kennedy was president, maybe even Eisenhower. In any event we all know (not Washington but real people) that is better to be debt free than hopelessly in debt, so vote this November for the Tea Party person of your choice, Democrat, Republican or Independent. Don’t put the same old tired people back in or you will get the same old tired results. We need new people who truly care about out country and what it once stood for. Learn all you can, and remember, it is NOVEMBER OR NEVER.

      • Gordon DeSpain

        “Don’t put the same old tired people back in or you will get the same old tired results.”

        Hmmmmm? There’s something wrong with that: they’re not “tired,” the correct word, is, Criminal.

      • SiliconDoc

        I think you both kind of missed the boat, and that ship is Congress – the people who write the tax laws and spend the money, hold the purse, and can override any presidential veto.
        Reagan perhaps influenced policy, but the buck stops at the CONGRESS.
        It is my opinion, that until the citzenry wakes up and understands this fundamental truth, NOTHING is going to change for the better.
        When 535 scoundrels can blame everything on the current pretender in the White House, absolving themselves 90+% of the time for any blame, including the historical rewashes, who can realistically expect anything different ?
        When GW Bush finally vetoed, the CONGRESS slapped it down and the Farm Bill passed into law anyway. The spending occurred, despite the “dictators” wishes.
        People, nearly everyone in my experience, miss that fact entirely, and instead prefer the potus blame game, or potus praise game.
        With the Congress split nearly equally between the two parties give or take a few percentage points for the last 20 years, the illusion is extremely powerful.
        Strangely enough, between the inheritance blame game and the partisan screeching, the Congress actually does get blamed some of the time – for the same thing the potus’ are held accountable for on the same or other occassions.
        Bottom line is Congress holds all the power, and assigns it to the executive branch, or any officer of any department of the federal government, which means any bureacracy the very same Congress has created, not to mention the congressional ability to LIMIT and REMOVE jurisdiction of the courts…
        Congress holds the keys – they make the mess, they blow the oversight, they shirk their responsibilities off on the giant bureacracies they create and on the potus’ they assign as leaders of executive branch entities they create through laws… wether or not the potus at the time signs the bill into law or vetoes it… since, again, the OVERRIDE function is ALWAYS available to CONGRESS (even when the parties are split near down the middle) or down the middle with the VP making the deciding tie-breaker vote.
        It’s the CONGRESS.
        Granted, there is plenty of influence peddling, even from the public, and the potus, and the media, and foreign government, and the lobbyists, and campaigns, and on and on – but the bottom line is ALWAYS there – THE CONGRESS HAS THE POWER TO MAKE THE FINAL CALLS, PERIOD – THEY ARE THE ONLY BRANCH WITH THAT POWER, in each and every case, every single one.
        That’s a fact. A fact lost on the entire nation.

    • Al Sieber

      Hey HF, your president just renewed “the Patriot Act” when he could of over turned it. he isn’t for the constitution, or any rights. he hates this country, wake up!!!

      • JC

        So much for “change” Al.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Al Seiber,
        There is very little if anything that Odumber has changed that Bush put in place even with a majority in both houses!! He’s afraid to tempt fate and take the chance of a change coming back to haunt him!!!

      • JC

        Government “never” gives up any amount of authority once achieved.
        It has to be taken back.

    • AttilaTheHun

      HFlashman -

      Some of what you say is true. You’ve got a selective version of history. I prefer to start back in the ’60s with LBJ’s “guns and butter”. We had the start of inflation to pay for the Vietnam War and expansion of the Great Society.

      Nixon took us off of the gold standard because countries like France and Russia were demanding to be paid in gold rather than dollars (because we trashed the value of the dollar).

      Paul Voelker shut down the inflation machine in ’79. However, Congress continued to spend money (Democrats controlled Congress while Reagan was President). This was manifested as debt.

      The first two years of Clinton’s presidency were a financial train wreck, which is how the Republicans took control of Congress in ’94. Clinton’s fiscal success during the rest of his presidency was BECAUSE the Republicans controlled Congress.

      Bush’s great fiscal mistake was not saying NO to the Republican-controlled Congress for the first six years of his presidency. Remember, the Democrats have controlled Congress since 2006.

      The real issue is that the Government spends more than it takes in. This has to be financed either by inflation or debt. My observation is that we’re best off when we split the Executive and Legislative branches between the parties so that they limit each other (think Reagan and Clinton).

      It’s ironic that people cite Clinton’s tenure as wonderful (it was, fiscally) and yet I’m sure that these same people complained about gridlock at the time. The gridlock was what was keeping government spending in check. Long live gridlock.

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        Bush inherited the Dot Com bubble from Clinton that lead to a recession in the first few months of his presidency. Reagan inherited the worst economy sense the depression from Carter that caused Carter to become a one term president.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Bruce D.,
        Let’s not forget that Clinton included the Social security surplus in his budget, thus making it look like there was a surplus when there wasn’t!!

      • Delores Smith

        JOE H.
        Thank you for the info about Clinton inheriting the Social Security Surplus! Now, I can try to figure out why there is a file box at the bottom of a white file cabinet in West Virginia, holding $1.4 trillion in IOU’s due from the Treasury to that Trustee Fund. (AP article 2010). West Virginia housed The Bureau of Public Debt during the Cold War. The AP article stated it was time to cash in the IOU’s.
        Delores Smith
        Delores109@cox.net

      • uSNpops

        President Bush told congress in 2002, and subsequent years that they needed to get control of Fannie and Freddie, and restrict their lending practices and ridiculously low ARM interest rates. This was put in place many years before Bush came into office.

        Barney Franks in congress Laughed at the idea, saying “They were doing such a great job, they were untouchable” or words to that effect. Plus they were getting people into the American Dream of home ownership.

        Nobody, including the homeowners took into consideration that after 5 years their loans would almost double when the full interest rate kicked in. Which drove people into foreclosure, overloading the banks with toxic assets, that Fannie and Freddie had to pick up. So then we kick in Government Money to bail out Fannie and Freddie who forced the banks into accepting the people that couldnt afford the mortgages in the first place. It was a house of cards that had to fail.

        One of our kids had a mortgage that was interest free for 5 years, and when the 5 years were up, their mortgage payment nearly doubled. They were fortunate that in the 5 years, they both had advanced in their jobs and could afford it. But lo and behold half the houses in the same subdivision are now sitting empty, owned by banks and not being sold.

        So now we are still paying for these Toxic assets with government funds, and supporting Fannie and Freddie who are “Too Big to Fail”. Used to be no business that was poorly run was considered by the Government to be too big to fail, and then use tax dollars to bail them out.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        uSNpops,
        Not to disparage your kids, but why in he!! did they accept a balloon type mortgage!?!?!? That interest free part is tempting, but remember if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is!!!

      • Gordon DeSpain

        What’s really strange about the Republican takeover of Congress in 1994, is, they left the Democrats in Control of all the Committees, as if the Democrats had won.

        Bush seemed to continue this process, appointing Democrats to almost every Post in his administration, creating several new Agencies and Departments, and, this led to the Contressional debacle of 2006.

    • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

      Reagan’s total debt in 8 years: 1.4 trillion dollars. Obama makes Reagan look like a slacker in just 1 year 5 months Obama’s debt is 2.4 trillion dollars. Much of the debt under Reagan went for tax cuts. Much of the debt under Obama went to create and save government jobs. Also to repay political favors in the democratic party through the Stimulous Package. A lot of money went to China to create ‘green jobs’, such as wind turbins. Also if 50% of the people do not pay income tax, who do you think are the other 50% that are paying the income tax?

    • Michelle

      You have to look at the whole picture. Congress controls spending!

      • kate8

        But Congress no longer writes, or even reads, bills they pass. They simply do the bidding of those who own them.

    • Martin

      Flash,

      Several of your statements are either mistakes or knowing falsehoods. You simply don’t know or are willfully ignorant of history.
      Stating a pretend “fact” doesn’t make it true.

      The Great Society of LBJ created the greatest entitlement class that the US had ever seen. No longer were people expected to be reliant on themselves and their local community. Big Government was the answer to all societies ills, meant to replace common civilitude and self reliance. No longer was it shamefull for a man to have his hand out, seeking others do for him what he could and should do for himself. I know, I watched it happen.
      When Reagan took office the economy was in the tank. When he left the country was in full recovery by any measure. I know I lived through it.
      All nations mobilized for war run deficits, in both money and the blood of their children. When 911 happenned America went to war.
      The excuse that others have run deficites as justification for the shock and awe spending spree we are witnessing now is as unpersuasive as the childrens excuse “but Billy did it first”.
      Any parent could answer this excuse and they often do with “if Billy jumped off a cliff first would you do it too?” .
      Pointing fingers at supposed culprits for our misery and using it as an excuse for seizing industry after industry, justifying new regulation and taxation while pretending it is going to somehow benefit the poor downtrodden is an old tactic. The cost of this, as always, will end up passed on to those who politicians are pretending to help.
      Using divisive class and race hatred and envy to further an agenda isn’t new either. It’s always used by those here to save us from all manner of illusory hobgoblins. Unfortunately, in truth, the hobgoblins are usually nothing more than the people living nextdoor. A cop doing his job, an employee of a hated bank/oil company/insurance company/greedy health care provider/investment firm/those allowed to listen to too many objectionable points of view, etc. All a great danger to us ignorant, helpless, members of the poor huddled masses.
      And when this present darkness has come full circle we’ll all wonder what ever were we thinking. The monsters we should fear are those who would have us exchange our freedom for their “protection” and “social Justice”.
      I’ve had enough of hope and change, I’ve seen it all before.

    • Ms. Jones

      The stated goal of this administration is the “total transformation of the United States”. One does not wish a “total transformation” of a beloved object. In spite of a rubber-stamping Senate and House, Obama has failed to repeal any of the so-called Bush/Chaney failures that he blames for the economy, unemployment, the oil spill, etc. You mention loss of liberty? What about the trial balloon sent up the the FTC which would tax electronic devices in order to re-define journalism? One of the pages suggests a fine for “bad” journalism to subsidize “good” journalism! Who do you think gets to decide what is “good” and “bad”? Or, how about Obama setting up flag@whitehouse.gov where his supporters could rat out anyone disseminating “misinformation” about Obamacare? Do you think Obama and Emmanuel, etal, invited dissenters to come to the White House and discuss the health care bill over a beer? Or do you think that list was immediately submitted to the IRS? We’ll never know, since the web page was considered a political entity and therefore not subject to the Freedom of Information Act. Obama has seized control of the auto and health care industries, and is now gunning for the bankers.

      As for the IRS, I completely agree with the Gestapo analogy. What other branch of government can seize your assets, freeze your bank accounts, garnishee your wages, and throw you in jail, all without due process? And, under the guise of the health care bill, Obama wants to hire tens of thousands more IRS agents? God help us all!

      • Ms. Jones

        Oh, and it was CARTER who created the (federal) Department of Education, wresting control away from local government, to appease teacher unions. Regan tried to repeal it, but the Democratic-majority in both houses tied his hands.

        Rosie O’Donnell just said yesterday that Obama should “take over” BP. There are many on the left who would just love to see an Obama dictatorship.

    • DaveH

      It’s telling, Flashman, that you excuse Obama’s Debt growth of over $3 trillion in a little over a year by saying “Obama inherited [it] from Bush/Cheney”, but consider no such thing for Reagan who inherited massive economic problems from Jimmy Carter. If you want to have credibility, you need to treat them fairly regardless of their political party.
      As far as Clinton goes, read this article:
      http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5656

  • Conservative at Birth

    Totalitarians are never benevolent!

  • CHRIS

    I am currently under a criminal investigation (being harassed) by the IRS for what they say “non-reporting of income”. They entered my business offices and embarrassed me in front of my employees. An “X” business partner is who called the IRS and made accusations. I do not even know what they are looking for. They have come in and turned my small business upside down in search of anything. I and several of my employees, my CPA, and attorney, have spent countless hours gathering documents in response to irs summons. I would like to learn more of your article that states there are no laws that even require the citizenry to pay taxes. Are there any cases of folks who have refused to do so and are living normal lives. I am fed up with having to deal with this.

    • Strawberry Shortcake

      @ Chris, watch Aaron Russo’s Freedom to Facism. It’s out on YouTube in about 11 “parts”, used to be in full on google but it no longer seems to be working. It’s about two hours long but worth it. There is a ton of information on it about the income tax hoax. It will make you sick.

      Best of luck to you….

      • Al Sieber

        Yes Strawberry, I bought that DVD 3 years ago, burned a bunch of copies and handed them out. great education.

    • Voice of Reason

      Chris,

      Yes there are some people who have fought the IRS in court over not paying income taxes and have won. Some have lost, and have had criminal charges filed, but there really is NO law on the books requiring us to do so.

      You will be going to court one way or the other for noncompliance, if you have a really good lawyer you may be able to win… It will be tough but it’s been done.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      CHRIS,
      What ever the out come of your problems, keep the faith as that’s the one thing they CAN’T take from you!! Best of luck!!

    • IronHorse

      Chris: If you google Sherry Peel Jackson you’ll see a picture of her standing side-by-side with Congressman Ron Paul. Sherry was an ex-IRS agent that figured she could find the law that says everyone owes Taxes, and collect the $50,000 reward money. Well, low and behold she couldn’t find such a law !!
      She is now incarcerated because she was informing the American public. I personally had my IRS Individual Master File, IMF decoded through the Freedom of Information Act, FOIA. It contained all lies
      that I had a business on the Virgin Islands. When I received my IMF from the IRS it was coded, therefore I had to have it decoded. Check out the book by G. Edward Griffin, The Creature from Jekyll Island, is it any wonder why Ron Paul wants to end the federal reserve.

    • Gordon DeSpain

      A simple reading of the Title of the Income Tax Law will give you a clue: “Temporary Income Tax to pay for the War in Europe, for Citizens of Puerto Rico, and, other Dominions.”

      First, it was “Temporary” to pay for World War I, and, it was only meant to apply to Puerto Rico and other Dominions. Only 20 of 36 States agreed to ratification, and, at least one sent it back to DC, asking how it applied to Citizens of their State, and, affirming that it might not be ratified, even if it were applicable (Wisconson? Michigan?). Five States voted against Ratification, but, this meant nothing to Philander Knox (appropriate name?) Knox, the Secretary of State, in the employ of the Federal Reserve, paperclipped a note to the Bill that it had been ratified, placed it on the Presidents desk in a large stack of papers that needed signing, the President (Wilson?) signed it, and, the IRS and the Federal Reserve were both created by that act.

      In more than 33,000 pages of Internal Revenue Code, it never says one time that a person who has Taxes withheld from his paycheck is required to File a Tax Statement, unless requesting a Return of overpaid Taxes. The only one required by IRS Code to file a Wage/Tax Statement, is anyone that collects Taxes on sales, or, withholds Taxes from someone elses Pay.

      This was proven in a Supreme Court Decision that appears to have been suppressed (access limited to government employess with a “need to know,” usually, Tax Collectors). I believe the womans name started with a ‘K’ but, I can’t remember, and, I’ve lost the Link to that webpage, and, the copy that was on a crashed Hard Drive. This was documented by the founder of “Keep and Bear Arms.com,” Angel (?) who suffered the exact fate you are facing now.

      I’m sure that this “oversight” has been corrected in the last couple of years.

  • http://Yahoo Sandy Archer

    Well, That was very informative and eye opening. Never looked at the situation as producers supporting non producers but unfortunately that is the BEST analogy yet!! The sad thing is alot of the producers have lost jobs but the freebies still go out to people who do nothing to give back to the communities and they keep having babies that they cannot support. I am very worried about our Country and feel helpless and hopeless. Fact is, we need someone in office that has an allegiance to the USA and Obama is not that person. I did not vote for him in ’08 and certainly will not in the next election. God Bless America

    • WEM

      Food for thought…
      Please do not feel “hopeless or helpless”. Your chance as well as everybody else’s is comming up in the next election. Just be aware and the reason why our decisions are very important for the future is simply becasue if the percentage of “non producers” exceed the “producers”, which will eventualy happen, as more and more jobs leave this Country for no other reason except greed: Guess who will be making the decisons? Also, if you take a look of what is happening internationaly, as well as unfortunately in this Nation, education is being neglected and the motivation is simply the fact that government does not want educated people, they have a tendency of “thinking” and that is dangerous for irresponsible governments with their own agenda… As voters, lets put our pants back on and clean house. Some of our leaders had 30+ years to prove their incompetency and are still doing it. Why are we keeping them in their functions? They are obviously not for “WE the PEOPLE” which is really the reason why tehy were elected to begin with. They are suposed to be OUR representatives. Has that been happening?…

      • skipfoss

        No,WEM this has not been happening our representives have not represented us they have been doing only what O.Hussein tells them to do at the extreme objections of the public those paying and not paying. They claim we are a country of laws and O. Hussen has broken everyone of them,no he is appointing judges that will cover for him when he tries to finish setting up his dictatorship. This Half Breed jerk is a worthless communist Muslim. If you take a close look at his life he has been taught nothing but communism by his mother father grand parents,stepfather his mentor George Marshal Davis and his so called Pastor,that has proved himself a Black racist America hating communist. Hussein said there is no proof of any communism in his upbringing.If you look at all of those Czars he has appointed all have admitted communist ties.He has done everything to keep from prosicuting Islamic terrorist shot of giving them a presidential pardon.He has turned his back on Isreal and supported Hamass and the Palistinians. He has done everything except ban the constitution and I am waiting for his latist appointment Kagan to get sworn in and then try to do away with the constitution

    • Richard Pawley

      Sandy, Never feel hopeless or helpless! Of course it’s easy for me to say that because I’m a Christian and you might look into what that is really all about. Books like the 106 page classic PRISON TO PRAISE by Merlin Carothers have been printed at least 50,000,000 copies in about 50 languages because they have helped so many. Most can’t put it down when they read it and I have read it 12 times in the past 35 years. It’s available on eBay if you don’t have something like a Christian bookstore in your town or city. Additionally I would like to add that OBAMA is only one man and it is the 111th Congress that has passed all this dollar destroying, economy busting legislation. Do not wait until 2012 to vote. You and millions of others must vote in November if we want to save the country. We can’t avoid skyrocketing inflation in the near future with food and fuel tripling in price, and sadly riots in the streets in major American cities just we saw in Greece. This is a given because of the incessant spending and taxing and borrowing that Congress, supposedly “our representatives” have already done. That cannot be changed but it could be much worse. The only way to keep it from being much worse is to learn all you can about the candidates for office and vote like your life depended upon it come November (or at least your children’s lives). Look at the amazing victories of the Tea Party Candidates in the primaries! Hope is not all lost for our country but like the mess in the gulf so the mess in Washington is going to take years to clean up, but it must begin this year. Think like Winston Churchill who said, “Never, never, Never, never give up!” He didn’t and the socialists in Nazi Germany were defeated. Don’t vote for a Republican just because they are a Republican because they are part of the problem too. We need fresh blood, new people of strong character, who are not bought and paid for by the 36,000 lobbyists in Washington. Why do you think both parties fear that one lone woman, the former Governor of Alaska, so much. She’s not a PhD (thank heaven, look at how the only PhD we ever had for a president, Woodrow Wilson set the path of destruction for the 21st Century. He was the second most dangerous president we ever had) but Sarah Palin thinks for herself and that is unheard of nowadays. What she doesn’t know she is learning. Why do the powers that be Glenn Beck so much, because he asks the hard questions and wants others to think for themselves too. There are many others across this great nation that are willing to sacrifice for their country, and that is what it will take. Sacrifice! We have very serious problems in this country that our cowardly Congress (well they are not really cowards but they are controlled – and not by you and me) that must be faced or the individual liberty that our founding fathers gave us with their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor will be lost. I’ve even heard some say, “What’s so great about freedom?” and I wish those people could live in Mexico or Russia or Iran or a hundred other places for a year and if they survived they would know the answer. Just as you can’t eat the typical foods that Americans eat and not get the diseases that American typically get, so you can’t just know the pabulum that most American students are feed by the unionized teachers and the socialist universities. You must educate yourself. So far it is still possible in this country where books are suppressed but not burned. Jesus said that nothing was impossible to those who believed and that is why the ACLU is so against any mention of him although all the founders of this county had great respect for him even if they didn’t all believe the same things. Freedom and responsibility go hand in hand and you must know more than is typically taught in schools for the past 30 years. There is a lot of hogwash on the Internet but there is truth also. That is where the spiritual gifts mentioned in the Bible come in handy, wisdom, knowledge, understanding, even discernment, and above all Love. Don’t hate the socialists who have taken over the Democratic Party (not all of it, just most of it) but vote them out of office. Don’t hate the Republicans who cow-tow (sp?) to big business even more than the Democrats do but vote them out of office as well. Now there are good people in both parties but only a handful. Hard times are coming, ultimately worse than the great depression but that may not be for a few more years, hopefully a decade, but there is time to prepare if we don’t waste it. Some believe we only have 36 months because our cities are broke and our states are broke and our country is more than broke but owes more money than anyone has ever owed in history but it all just paper that they owe so they will do what they started last year and just print more until everyone realizes it’s just paper. The rest of the world is broke too so don’t join the thousands who leave the country each month unless you have some other very good reason. We can prepare our own families and possibly our own communities for the day when the government will finally admit they are broke, and unable to pay anything but the interest to the owners of the Federal Reserve Bank. This printing of money, creating it out of thin air is called monetizing the debt, and it never ends well. Learn about non-perishable foods, things that you can store for decades and are still nutritious. Get out of paper investments and get out of the big cities if you can. To much to tell. I wrote a book about much of what is coming. There is time to prepare but not a lot. Pray as if it all depended on God and your prayers but vote and work like it all depended on you. Oppose every new tax Congress, your state or your city tries to put around your neck until they can prove they are no longer squandering all we give them. Attorney General Holder came to Vassar College this year and told the graduates to consider a career in government. If I had realized like some of my family how well it paid (nearly twice what the private sector pays) I would have gone into government work years ago. Sadly, though that is all going to come to a screeching halt when they finally devalue the dollar out of necessity. Learn, pray, vote, but do so by November. It is NOVEMBER OR NEVER!

      • Richard Pawley

        Sorry I didn’t proof-read it better. I meant to say that we would one day see riots in the major cities of this country, just AS we saw in Greece. I left AS out. I also meant to say “Why do the powers that be hate Glenn Beck so much?” but I left out the word “hate”. Of course since hate is something he and others who really care about the country and it’s people are often accused of perhaps it was Providence that I left it out. And American students are “fed” not “feed” as I wrote. I could really use a proof-reader and a secretary but you can get the gist of my meaning. May God bless the United States because no one else is going to do so.

      • barb m

        i hate glenn beck because he sabotaged our texas gubernatorial candidate, debra medina, in favor of his good buddy rick perry who is the incumbent. he was insulting before the interview even started, but she couldn’t hear that part so was not prepared for his back stabbing. he asked if she was a 9/11 truther to which she stated she did not want to comment because she didn’t have all the facts. after pushing her, she said there were some things she’d like to know. he immediately translated that into a yes and refused to shut up long enough for her to fully answer the question. after the interview, he said he’d like to french kiss rick perry. he talks the talk, but he doesn’t walk the walk. he works for the same station as palin who campaigned for perry. medina was kicking butt and taking names. she won every debate they televised. her poll numbers were rising by leaps and bounds, then beck threw her under the bus. i will NEVER listen to him again or believe he is anything other than a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

      • kate8

        barb m, I’m with you on thinking there is something not quite right with Beck. As much as we want to rally ’round him, things like what he did to Debra Medina, his ridicule of “birthers” and “truthers” (labels intended to marginalize those demanding the truth), his handling of FEMA camps, etc., only show that he is not really all he seems to be.

        He provides an outlet for conservatives to “vent”, while keeping them steered down the desired shutes.

        Wolf in sheep’s clothing is an apt description, in my view.

      • DaveH

        Beck is a man, and men are imperfect (women too). But he has opened peoples’ eyes to many facts which they might not otherwise have been exposed to. I listen to what he says and form my own opinions based on my life experiences.
        I do think Stossel speaks much better for the Libertarian principles than does Beck. But few people stick their neck out as far as Glenn does in the pursuit of truth.

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        I understand your viewoint Barb m. Beck was doing the job liberals are suppose to do. There are things he says I do not like either. That being said Glen Beck is in some way a great American hero. He is exposing the rot in the system from a very public position. He is also educating people on the ‘founding fathers’. It is the liberals job to take Glen Beck down. Please do not aide them in their cause. He is being attacked very hard by the left. We are all going to say something others do not like. It is unavoidable. I am sorry about what he did in Texas.

      • Al Sieber

        Glen Beck has opened a lot of people’s eye’s, but, is a shill for the N.W.O., like Alex Jones, they both have their certain subjects they avoid.

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        A write in candidate can win an election, start a campaign now, you don’t need “Big Bucks”. Actions and the internet are a powerful tool and weapon, “GET UR DONE” ! For love of Texas and Country.

      • Kevin

        Glenn Beck helped sabotage the Texas elections for Perry, but the Eagle Forum also backed Perry. Orlean Koehle, President of the Eagle Forum of California, has written about Perry’s betrayal of America in two chapters of her most recent book, yet the Eagle Forum still backed Perry. Having spoken with Orlean on this issue, this really upset her. Who can you trust?

        The really good propagandists (including “conservative” organizations) tell you what they know you want to hear without telling you what you really need to know to make a difference. They create, cultivate, and maintain the divisions in America, playing American and American, while they legally plunder America.

        I wrote a commentary a few years ago, “Are We Cattle or Are We Americans”, where I wrote about how the Democrat and Republican Parties were herding us toward the same totalitarian slaughterhouse. Unfortunately, the more I research, the more I realize that most Americans accept being treated like cattle, so long as they are fed, housed and entertained.

      • Claire

        barb m–Kudos to you!! I don’t care for Beck either. I tried to listen to him, but he is NOT what he seems. Another paid entertainer.

        kate8—You are absolutely correct.

      • JeffH

        Richard Pawley…barb m is a classic example of that hate…and you are right about it.

      • kate8

        JeffH, while I agree that barb m’s use of the word “hate” for Beck was a bit strong for my taste, what she said was true about what he did to Medina. I’d love to believe he is a patriot, but I’ve had a number of alarm bells go off about him, myself.

        I don’t know who barb m is, so I don’t know why you made that statement about her. But to discredit her because of one post, I find puzzling.

        Am I missing something?

      • kate8

        JeffH, I’m sure that you are aware that a tactic used by those seeking to conquer is to raise up a hero of the people, someone who will draw them out and bring them forward. That is why it is so important to be discerning and careful.

        Ask yourself why the PTB, who own all the news outlets, allow people like Beck to stay on the air. It’s obvious that he has to steer clear of certain issues. Anyone who gets enough media attention to gain a following must necessarily be suspect. Look how many really good people get no traction because the media ignores them. It’s how the PTB operate.

        The media is about controlling us and, it seems, exposing us. I actually think that the “war” between the WH and FoxNews is a ruse for our consumption, since the same people who control the WH and all media outlets also own FoxNews.

        Let’s all use our heads here.

      • JeffH

        kate8, don’t you understand why Beck doesn’t support the “birther issue”? The “birth” issue is just another distraction to keep the peoples minds elsewhere and off of his “fundamental transformation” of America. As Beck has said before; why produce it if it’ll keep the people pre-occupied with it?

        I have no problem with Beck and whenever I catch his show, like anybodt elses shoe, I sort through his information and make my own conclusions. I don’t like Madcow or Oberego either, so I have no quandrey with you on Beck…I just think there should be a better reason than the “birther issue”. He’s is quirky, but then aren’t they all a bit odd at times?

        Her’s a link to an exhange Beck had on the birther issue…decide for yourself.

        GLENN: Yeah. And then my advisors would come in and go, let’s just make this go away. Here’s an idea: Just call the doctor, just get the nurse. Just, here, let’s just have, you know, three really credible people examine the birth certificate because really let’s just make this go away so we can get on the work with the American people. If I were Barack Obama, I would say, no, now, wait a minute; why do that when these people are so discrediting themselves because if I can get them to discredit themselves and they’ll use the argument, “Well, you think it’s nonsense to have him answer that question when it’s in the Constitution? He would be the first unconstitutional president!” Yes. But I believe he already is, seeing that healthcare is against the Constitution. The fundamental transformation of the country is a little unconstitutional.

        STU: Right. When you’ve lost 40 points off your approval rating, the only thing you have left is the people who are coming out and yelling about your birth certificate. The only positive this guy has left.

        GLENN: Yeah. So why would you discredit yourself? Why would let’s say it’s true. Let’s just say it’s true that he’s not. Do you really think that is the fastest way to get him out? Do you really think that’s the fastest way to stop him from what I believe is the fundamental transformation of this country? Do you think that’s going to stop healthcare?
        http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/34625/

      • JeffH

        kate8, sorry I can’t fully buy into the Beck thing. But I won’t dis you for not trusting him, that’s your choice.

      • kate8

        JeffH, the “birther” issue is only one of many he avoids. Besides, I just don’t buy that it’s only a distraction. There is an all-out blackout on this issue in the media, except to occasionally ridicule it.

        It is a direct Constitutional matter. Don’t you wonder why no judge has been allowed to proceed with this case? The ones who’ve tried have been visited, and have dropped the case or have stepped down.
        The issue of BO’s history being concealed from the People is a huge one, in fact a true conspiracy, and would, if allowed to be presented to the American People, exclude him from office.

        Don’t you see that by side-stepping the Constitutional requirement here, in effect, nullifies any Constitutional matter they wish to circumvent? And it has. Just look at healthcare.

        It’s not just Beck. Look how much coverage Palin gets. These people look great, sound great. Maybe they are sincere and don’t know that they are being used. Maybe I’m way off-base. I can only try to connect the dots where I see them, and know that the only thing that gets coverage is what has the approval of the PTB.

      • JeffH

        kate8, I won’t fully disagree with you, it is a constitutional matter and I too feel it’s important to reveal, but…By the time someone of power can overide the presidential powers to get a valid court order to force produce the facts, Obama will be long gone and America’s fate will be sealed by either a more constitutional government or the blood of the citizens. Obama has already violated the constitution just by signing the Health Care bill…I just feel there are more pressing matters to deal with such as the HCB.

      • DaveH

        I’m with you on that, Jeff. We need to stick to the issues that the majority of citizens can sink their teeth into. Otherwise, we are just spinning our wheels.

      • kate8

        Yes, but only because those who do have authority to call his legitmacy into question are covering for him or being held off. Besides, who, more than the citizens of this nation, have a right to the truth?

        Do you really think that, with all those who are complicit in this, we really have any actual other options? Don’t you think this has been forseen and planned for? We are dealing with people who have spent a century studying human behavior and learning to anticipate and manipulate it.

        The fact that all those running for office or in media commentary comply with the program by avoiding certain issues shows that they are playing by the “rules”. Bucking them is a deadly game.

        I just think that it will take more than an election to bring about any real improvement. I really hope I’m wrong.

      • kate8

        BTW, I actually do like Glenn Beck. His is the one program I try not to miss. (BTW, do you know why TV was called “programming”?)

        I’m just trying to keep a perspective on the big picture. You know, trust, but verify…

      • kate8

        Jeff, Dave, have you seen the breaking news?

        http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=165041

      • SiliconDoc

        kate8, there are certain issues that if exposed or ruminated upon by the big news players on cable and msm networks, they would be labelled lunatic by “pop culture opinion”, and would lose their jobs.
        That’s just the way it is, unfortunately.
        Used to be THEY couldn’t even mention Bilderberger meetings without being labelled a lunatic, now that has changed, and the mettings are admitted to and spoken of, even if in soft, pat terms.
        Same was true about the trans Texas Corridor / nafta superhighway.
        Eventually, self centered “know it all” giants like Michael Medved for instance had to slyly take back his screaming “you’re insane” and admit the plan exists and is under implementation “but is not a takeover or some conspiracy against sovereignty” -etc etc.
        So the TV and talk show and magazine and newspaper people have bosses and advertisers and people to answer to, and reputations of not being insane conspiracy theorists to protect, so many of these things not spoken of have to trickle into the pop culture consciousness before the scared and insecure big shots can start mentioning them, or believing them publicly, lest consequences befall them.
        If they come right out, and are fired for being insane loons, whose side does that support ? Certainly not theirs as they exposed the coverup or secret info. It’s a win for the opposition in that case.
        Just like the successful attacks on whistleblowers… same kind of thing.
        So don’t despair too much and give some credit to these people like Glenn Beck, who certainly are aware more is out there, and will do what they can when they can do it.
        It’s dangerous for them to go too far when the pop culture brainwashing is already so deep and so complete in so many cases.

      • IronHorse

        Citizens of the united States, not only will you benefit yourselves, but that of this country’s younger generations to come…..Take Heed to these words.

        Glory to Christ Jesus my Lord & Savor…

      • angel-wanna-be

        Amen IronHorse, he’s my Savior too!

      • angel-wanna-be

        Richard, Nice post, and Freedom is, a hell of a lot easier to defend, than to regain once lost!__I don’t remember who it was who said this.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Angel,
        I have heard that before as well and I can’t remember where. It is VERY true though. We are in danger of that very thing happening here!
        BTW another reason not to use BP fuel, they have water in their oil!!!

      • angel-wanna-be

        JoeH, we live in midatlantic, the gas here is horrible! theres only one gas station we frequent, that doesn’t seem to be watered down as much, and the only thing our old 90′s jalopy will run on—lol!

      • DaveH

        You will like this poem, Angel:
        http://www.comeandtakeit.com/2aother.html

      • angel-wanna-be

        DaveH, That’s a hell of a poem Dave, one you can envision, thanks for the link, God Bless.

      • kate8

        DaveH, I loved the poem, too. I copied and I’m going to email it to everyone I know. Thanks.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, thaks, I’ve seen and read it before and again I’ve copied it and passed it on through email. Great poem.

      • sonny

        Richard Pawley: I agree with MOST of your post; However, Adolf Hitler was “only” ONE man, also. I’m 63 years old and in that time I’ve seen lots of presidents and congressmen come and go and I’ve NEVER seen an administration as corrupt AND pro-totalitarian as this one. You say they are not cowards; I disagree. Anyone that will not stand up for what they believe, perhaps in fear of their J-O-B
        IS A COWARD. There is/was a reason why Obama, for 20 years listened
        to a pastor preach “G.D. America.” This man HATES THIS COUNTRY AND IS OUT TO DESTROY IT.
        sfridley46@aol.com

    • uSNpops

      If you think it’s bad now, wait till the 135 new beauracracies, and 60,000 plus new government workers are hired to support the Obamacare bill. Then the government will be the largest union supported employer in the country. And once you are hired by the government, it’s pretty hard to ever lose your job.
      Socialism is a great thing until you run out of other peopls money.

      Vote the bums out, take our country back, if it isn’t already too late.

    • Gordon DeSpain

      It’s not common knowledge, but, there is a “Golden Ratio” that determines the health of a civilization: when 85% of the productive Citizens are supporting 15% of the non-productive (both Elite, and, very poor), that civilization is at its zenith. As the nation ages, this ratio will begin to shift toward a population of non-productive citizens, and, it is considered ‘in decline.’

      When the ratio of Productive Citizens to Non-productive reaches 65/35, that nation drops into Footnotes at the bottom of pages in dusty Tomes nobody ever reads.

      And, we’re at 53% to 47%?

  • Al Sieber

    Good article Bob. I’m rereading The Rise and Fall of the third Reich, and in the chapter “life in the 3rd Reich 1933-1938″ it talks about “for the greater good” and “guns before Butter” and the Hitler Youth, if anyone has that book check out that chapter, we’re there, uncanny.

  • Anthony

    Currently 50 percent of the American population supports the other 50 percent with their income taxes. The producers support the non-producers.”

    THIS IS WRONG – ALL INCOME TAXES GO DIRECTLY to the Central Bank [aka: Federal Reserve] to pay the interest on tha accumulated debt our politicians (under the Hamiltonian Philosophy) built up over the generations of promising us everything “just to get re-elected”. THIS IS A FACT. Read: Creature from Jekyll Island

    They use “for the greater good” which translates “share your production with the non-producers and the non-producing parasite system.”

    It was one of Alexander Hamilton’s greatest successes — getting the Constitutional Convention of 1787 to LEAVE IN the General Welfare Clause —- something that Jefferson Davis and the South “took out” when they created the Confederacy!

    With this Clause, Hamilton, Adams and especially John Marshall as Chief Justice, all went about subverting the Constitution for ever gambit of carpetbaggery that could ever be invented. Andrew Jackson was right – “let John Marshall enforce his own decisions, if he can” — later, it seems, Lincoln took away that right of the States to “dissent” against Supreme Court decisions, which today gets treated as if it never were the case…. when it was!

    Bottom Line? The Consitution was (in fact) written to halt our Government from becoming just like what they all fled from in England in those times – and Hamilton wanted to simply re-create it. This is why he and Thomas Jefferson were bitter enemies.

    The Consitution tells us -
    1. That States are ‘sovereign’ over the Federal Government
    2. That the Federal Government shall not infringe upon citizen’s rights
    3. That Senators will be “appointed” by State Legislatures assuring these people work only for the good of their State(s) – there was to never be a general election for Senators, as the option for complete corruption was simply too great – and what do we have today?

    THEREFORE – the 17th Amendment must be erradicated and I do mean NOW

    4. That Congress is who has the right to coin money (not foreign entities) – The Federal Reserve is an illegal monopoly which goes directly “against” the Constitution and needs to be defunded/abolished and (or) nationalized immediately – and all Members, both current and past imprisoned for their treason.

    The Byzantines had prosperity for over 800 years (8 Centuries, not just 1 or 2) based on the fact that their Currency was “always” based on gold – and there was NO Fractional Banking System nor a Central Bank, which is actually a CARTEL, or better yet …. A CABAL.

    THAT taxation has specific limitations – this you MUST READ for yourselves. The 16th Amendment goes directly against the Constitution as all monies collected directly from a people MUST BE RE-APPORTIONED, EQUALLY, BACK TO ALL OF THE CITIZENRY …. and this is not happening, right now. As stated earlier – all income taxes go immediately to pay the “interest” on the debt we owe to the Central Bank. It does not, in any way, shape or form, pay any of the Principal.

    On top of that, the politicians at the time, lied to the People in saying the necessary 36 States did (in fact) vote in the Income Tax – when they did not. It has been found that only 20 States actually thought the Income Tax was a good idea. Of the other 16 States, five of them actuallly sent back a vote “against” this new Amendment. Of the other States, it is found that they violated their own State Constitutions in processing their vote on the matter – which immediately makes their vote(s) null and void.

    http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/home.asp

    1) In 1913, the 16th Amendment (the “income tax” Amendment) was fraudulently and illegally declared to be ratified by a lame-duck Secretary of State just days before leaving office;

    2) There is NO LAW that requires most Americans to file a tax return, pay the federal income tax or have the tax withheld from their earnings;

    3) People who file a Form 1040 “voluntarily” waive their 5th Amendment right not to bear witness against themselves;

    4) The IRS routinely violates citizens’ 4th Amendment rights against illegal search and seizure, by failing to properly obtain warrants issued by a court upon probable cause and supported by oath and affirmation; and

    5) The IRS, as standard operating procedure, routinely and grossly violates citizens’ due process rights in its administrative procedures and operates far outside the boundaries of U.S. law.

    NOW I ASK YOU – What have you been voting for?

    YOU’RE TELLING ME – That you would do these things to your own neighbors?

    What kind of Patriot(s) are you?

    Final Thought – there is no provision in the Constitution for a Standing Army. There is commentary in there about local militias. The only time an Army is to be created, is for strict need of national defense, and only for the duration of said defense, after which, everyone goes back home to live their lives in peace.

    The only reason for a Standing Army – is Imperialism

    And, remember – the only reason for Gun Registration – is so they can “take them away”.

    • valricoslash

      You nailed it.

    • Frank Oak

      Why do you people continually trash Hamilton? You read opinions of others instead of Hamilton’s own words. Hamilton was one of the great defenders of the Constitution with his writings in the Federalist Papers. You say he insisted on the Commerce Clause and you don’t know what he said about it. Read a Constitutional Scholar on what the Commerce Clause means here.

      http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/interstate-commerce-clause/

      Learn the truth before you spout off. We can’t win our country back as long as you let the enemy take away our ammo and Hamilton along with Madison are our best weapons for showing us the original intent of the Constitution.

      Always remember we want facts not opinion.

      • s c

        Frank, get this straight. Get it straight NOW. Alexander Hamilton was a Benedict Arnold in Founding Father’s clothing. How can you not make the central bankeing connection IF you take a hard look at Hamilton’s anti-Constitution antics?
        Those of us who realize what central banking is, what it does and what it means to our FREEEDOM know that Hamilton was a no-good, back-stabbing, treasonous SON-OF-A-^&#+@ whose ego and arrogance was matched only by his misplaced intellect.
        Where have you been? Have you been programmed? Are you an unknowing, useful idiot? I won’t be the only one on this website who makes the SAME observations, Frank. WAKE UP! Hamilton was a rockhead progressive who was truly ahead of his
        freedom-hating ‘time.’

      • Frank Oak

        SC & JC:
        Read what you have posted. Your posts are filled with hatred. You make allegations, but you don’t document any of them. I’m saying you should read Hamilton’s actual writings in The Federalist Papers, and make your judgment of Hamilton based on his actual writings, instead of repeating what you have heard from others.

        The fact is – and this is PROVEN by Hamilton’s own writings, that Hamilton is one of the greatest champions of limited constitutional government who ever lived. Perhaps that is why the Enemy has set out to destroy him. And not only have you two fallen for the lies of the Enemy, you spread the Lies!

        Publius Huldah quotes Hamilton’s & Madison’s writings in the Federalist Papers all the time to prove the “original intent” of the U.S. Constitution. There is no way one can read Hamilton’s actual writings and maintain the position you maintain.

        Read the quotes! You will see where Hamilton says in the Federalist Papers that any laws made by Congress which are not within Congresses enumerated powers are “mere usurpations and deserve to be treated as such”, that the people are the ultimate guardians of the Constitution, that the purpose of the Militia is to defend the States and the People from the federal government, etc.

      • s c

        If the shoe fits, wear it. Call a spade a spade. You are so typical of the pc-driven, progressive crowd, and you’re determined to destroy America from within. American history, reason and the Constitution never touched you, did they?
        You’re still swilling that sadistic cruel ade that progressives love to dole out to those who are incapable of connecting the dots or doing the math. You might as well be a distant relative of Hamilton. You’re doing his work, and your eyes are sewn shut.
        Cuba is fairly close. That’s a good place for you and all of your friends to re-locate. For your kids’ sake, I hope you never teach in any American school. You are beyond sad, because you’re that way by your own choice. The Founding Fathers were right. You are living proof.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Frank Oak,
        What Hamilton wrote pre-Constitution was one thing. His actions and writings post-Constitution were something different altogether. As Washington’s Secretary of Treasury he tried diligently to undermine the Constitution. Hamilton was a mercantilist in the British model. He favored a strong central government and wanted America to be ruled by a king with supreme power that appointed state governors who would be loyal to the king. Among the legacies of Hamilton and his acolytes is the idea that the Constitution granted the Federal government “implied powers”—powers that were not actually in the Constitution but that statists like Hamilton wish were there. He described the Constitution as “a frail and worthless fabric.”

        Hamilton was no lover of liberty and we are suffering now because most of his policies have been enacted: Central Bank, public debt, high taxes, activist judges and corporate welfare. I urge you to read “Hamilton’s Curse” by Thomas DiLorenzo. I reviewed the book here: http://www.personalliberty.com/bob-livingston/hamilton%E2%80%99s-curse-by-thomas-j-dilorenzo/

        It will open your eyes to who Hamilton truly was, and it was not what he wrote in The Federalist Papers. He was truly the anti-Jefferson.
        All the best,
        Bob

      • kate8

        As soon as posters like you, Frank, start throwing around the liberal buzzwords (hate, hatred, racist), you give yourselves away.

        As soon as I saw this I stopped reading your posts. You’re just another brainwashed ACORN or SEIU paid garbage slinger.

      • JeffH

        kate8…you betcha! A dead giveaway!

        Bob Livingston, thanks for everything you do to help educate and keep an active dialogue going between Americans supporting a constitutional America.

      • DaveH
      • JeffH

        DaveH, thanks to you again…I’ve had mises bookmarked for awhile now.

      • JC

        Dear Frank Oak,
        My posy has no hatred whatever in it. It’s all in your head.
        I merely stated facts and an opinion.
        You want proof? Do your own homework, but start with “Hamilton’s Curse”. It’s an excellent and completely verifiable account of Hamilton’s motivations and alliances.
        It explains in very matter of fact terms just what made him a traitor to the fledgling United States.

      • JC

        “post” not posy. :)

      • Bob Wire

        What ta hay is this?, ~ we take offense with any revisit of 1990′s and 43′s administration, saying things like, “when is the present administration going to start taking credit!” and in the same breath go back as far as 1774! Make up My mind!

        While it hold true, Hamilton was very much as you comment, what’s that to do with the price of bananas?

        >>“benevolent government” ?<< there is no such animal.

        Your mother is about as benevolent as it's going to get. Look no where else!

        You really reached out and tried to stir the pot with this one Mr. Livingston. Gains of truth in buckets of sorted history. ~ The current administration, has no world domination interest, no strong arm "Brown Shirts" ~ The Tax man has been there for many years and people pay less taxes now then they did when it was created, much less Federal Taxes. City and State is something else.

        It leave one to think, that these Tea Party Folks, are wanting exactly what they accuse the poor of wanting "a free lunch"

        I don't want to believe that! American's pay less taxes then their contemporaries in other countries that enjoy civil liberties.

        If everyone did what they should, there would be no need for laws or programs in any society. But they don't and they won't, so we have laws and programs. It's by no means perfect as Jefferson & Hamilton along with Franklin, Adam and Quincy attempted to make it "work"

        The US Constitution is a "living document" it grows with the needs of the nation while honoring the original intent and spirit. A little of Hamilton & a little Jefferson with Franklin and Quincy for balance.

        There are many things not addressed in the Constitution but omissions fails to constitute either rejection or acceptance.

      • DaveH

        You had me fooled, JC, I thought that was a new slang word for comment. Lol.

      • DaveH

        Wire,
        What? “The current administration, has no world domination interest, no strong arm “Brown Shirts”. Explain this:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaAVJITx1Y

      • DaveH

        And Wire,
        Do you even know what it means to consider the Constitution a “living document”? The unelected Judges, in that case, get to interpret the Constitution as they see fit. Get real. Our Democratic Republic would become a shambles if that is allowed to happen. We are a nation of laws, not men. And even the Government needs to obey those laws.

        One thing I will say positive about a Liberal takeover – I will in that case welcome my finite life.

      • Bob Wire

        I can;t explain your link dav, ~ I need to hear it in context and you do too! I’m not sure what he was talking about “a civilian security force” or to whom he was talking to. ~ That matters Dav.

        It’s true, We are a nation of laws , but these laws have always been subject to interpretation by men. There no way around it Dav. It has always been so and will always be.

        There is always someone willing to push boundaries or alter “intent” for self-serving motives.

        The only document I know of written in stone is the 10 Commandments and even it offers us conflict and sometimes impossible to obey. For there comes times killing is required to defend and preserve.

        But I understand what you offer, that someone might come along and take liberties with law. ~and they do!, laws are under attack everyday as laws truly cut both ways, much like a good fence. Are we attempting to keeping something out or keeping something in?

        Convicts become interested in law as well, feeling a victim and having the spare time on their hands. It’s a good thing. But so often as not, they bypass, high school and freshman studies and go unprepared straight to senior studies, not really having any foundation for understanding.

        For anything to survive the ravages of time, it has to bend or it will break. And with that, I consider the Constitution a living document. A Standard of measurement, a rule to apply.

      • Right Wing

        Hamilton’s words in the Federalist introduction were exquisitely insightful into the potential pitfalls of a unified country. He warned, “So numerous indeed and so powerful are the causes which serve to give a false bias to the judgment, that we, upon many occasions, see wise and good men on the wrong as well as on the right side of questions of the first magnitude to society.” Taken at face value, Hamilton could be viewed as genuinely concerned for the welfare of a fledgling country. Historical reference says otherwise and it appears that he was one of the wise and good men who fell on the wrong side of the first magnitude to society.

      • Vicki

        Bob Wire says:

        “>>“benevolent government” ?<< there is no such animal.

        Your mother is about as benevolent as it's going to get. Look no where else!"

        How true :)

        Bwire: "…~ The Tax man has been there for many years and people pay less taxes now then they did when it was created, much less Federal Taxes. City and State is something else."

        Which tax man? There have been many. Also "people" is to vague so across all time and any people your statement could be correct.

        Lets focus on a subset and choose federal income tax since you did include that in your statement. The federal income tax was created in 1913 and had a marginal rate of 1%-7% depending on income. (Oh those were the days my friend…)

        The current rate is 10%-35%

        That would be a dramatic increase from its inception. The peak rates however make the 10%-35% seem benevolent however. They were
        23%-94%. Just imagine your income today at the tax bracket you would have been in. (Adjust for inflation if you wish)

        The other thing to note is that the rates started out in 1913 very low and reasonable (1%-7% where 7% was 500k+). But it took little time for the politicians to realize what a goldmine they had discovered. The rates jumped rapidly up to 6%-77% by 1918. Imagine 75% of what you got as income being taken by the government. It is no wonder there were so many tax "loopholes" added to the tax code over the years. No way were politicians going to allow themselves to be taxed like that.

        http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html

      • Denniso

        ’50% support the other 50% w/ their taxes’? NO…something like 47% of people pay no Federal income tax,that doesn’t mean they are on welfare,it only means they don’t make enough to pay Fed income taxes..and that could be because of the number of kids they have in combination w/ their income. Most of those pay taxes in other ways…
        property tax,sales tax,state tax,Fed excise tax,auto license and registration. Not paying Fed income tax does not mean a person doesn’t pay taxes and definitely does not mean they are ‘supported by the other 50% of the population’.

        The other side of this is that wages have stagnated for decades for most of the working class and we have roughly 10% unemployed. The rich have gotten richer,as everyone knows,so the amount they pay in taxes should naturally go up. If we have a society where almost half
        pay no Fed taxes it says something about the totally unequal and unfair distribution of wealth and opportunity in our country. The distribution of wealth is not a natural occurrence,but rather a function of the economic rules and power structure in a society. It doesn’t correlate directly to the desire and willingness of individuals to better themselves.

      • 45caliber

        This does not mean that all not paying taxes are on welfare. It means that you count all on welfare PLUS all those drawing a salary who works for the government – federal, state, local, and schools. All their salaries come from tax money just as all money for welfare does.

        In fact, I think the real figure is something like 53% are supported by 47%. NONE of the government works produce anything that can be exchanged for money.

      • ceberw

        So are you saying we should have no education,police or fire departments. If you are, you must be incredibly stupid.

      • JeffH

        “ceberw says:
        June 10, 2010 at 9:41 am
        So are you saying we should have no education,police or fire departments. If you are, you must be incredibly stupid.”

        No ceberw…your comment of assumption and your leftist paid trolling is what is incredibly stupid.

        What is it with these liberl hacks that always use lower case lettered names and just troll around conservative websites making ignorant one liners…I hope they’re being taxed for being here.

      • ceberw

        What assumption. He said:

        “NONE of the government works produce anything that can be exchanged for money”

        That isn’t really true, but how would you feel if your house is on fire, the fire department shows and and says “OK, give us $10,000 and we’ll save your kids and put out the fire”?

      • TIME

        Cebrew,
        Your ignorance is exposed for what it is, your property taxs pay for the noted services rendered.

      • http://www.pbondillustration.com paul

        You are all forgetting the one big tax that screws the lower income earners worse than all of them . . . it’s called INFLATION!

      • ceberw

        Where I live there is a municipal income tax (though it is not that much, a falt 2% I if memory serves me right) as well as property tax. What does it matter? Taxes are taxes.

      • ceberw

        Oops, flat not falt.

      • DaveH

        ceberw, says:
        “So are you saying we should have no education,police or fire departments. If you are, you must be incredibly stupid.”
        Obviously a Liberal. Calling somebody “incredibly stupid” for thinking we could do fine without an education department, or a fire department, or even a police department.
        You obviously aren’t aware that many people these days are turning to private security forces to get the protection they don’t feel they get from the police.
        And to include the “education department” in your list of essential government services is beyond “incredibly stupid”. In fact, to call you stupid, CeberW, would be an insult to stupid people.
        Private schools educate their students better at much less cost than the government-run public schools:
        http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=1118

      • kate8

        DaveH, it’s amazing how liberals think that, without a government provided service, we are utterly helpless in regard to protecting ourselves, educating our children, running a business, managing our health….

        Geez, however did we survive before big brother stepped in.

      • angel-wanna-be

        DaveH, I know A LOT of folks home schooling their kids today, because they don’t trust public schools and they don’t have to deal with the BS either.

      • JC

        ceberw…do you know the difference between Federal and Municipal services?

      • Denniso

        So, famous libertarian DaveH thinks we could do just fine w/o police and fire depts? Sure, the wealthy could afford to hire their own police and fire protection,and leave the rest of us to fend for ourselves…what a pleasant society that would be.

      • independant thinker

        Angel………..”I know A LOT of folks home schooling their kids today, because they don’t trust public schools and they don’t have to deal with the BS either.”

        Me to. Unfortunately in some places the state and the NEA plus local teachers organizations are working to eliminate the right to home school your children if you wish (thankfully not where I live yet).

      • angel-wanna-be

        Independent thinker, I know I’ve heard about the NEA, my half sisiters a retired teacher and on more than one occasion we’ve had discussions about home schooling. I’m for it, she has other ideas. The friggin unions will stop at nothing!

      • DaveH

        And the infamous Denniso thinks the poor wouldn’t have protection. What do they need protection from, denniso? They don’t have enough money for you and your Liberal buds to bother stealing.

      • Ms. Jones

        Sales, property and other taxes aside . . . When 50% of people pay federal income taxes, and others (who may or may not work for wages) file a tax return and, due to the number of their children, etc. get a REFUND of something they never paid into, that is wealth redistribution by tax code, and the 50% are indeed “supporting” the other 50%, whether or not the latter is drawing welfare.

      • ceberw

        Getting a refund does not mean paying no taxes. I almost always get a refund, even though I have not claimed any dependents for years. The refund just means that the taxes withheld all year exeeded what I owe as a taxpayer.

      • DaveH

        She’s talking about the “earned income credit”, which would more properly be called the unearned income credit, in which case people get back money that they hadn’t paid in through withholding or other means.

      • MOMSRIGHT

        Dear Denniso, Your words “it says something about the totally unequal and unfair distribution of wealth and opportunity in our country. The distribution of wealth is not a natural occurrence,but rather a function of the economic rules and power structure in a society.”

        My experience is that “unfair and unequal” are code words used by liberals and socialists who fancy themselves to be the only ones capable of deciding what is fair or equal! They then begin to build these power structures as you call them, to legally rob from those who have worked hard for the wealth they have! They make it seem like they are doing all this to give the wealth to those who are less fortunate but really they only take what doesn’t belong to them to line their own pockets and increase their “structures of power”! Consider the unions, the federal reserve, and the myriads of other government philanthropic programs! America is a land of equal opportunity! Look at Bill Gates and countless others who had an idea,a product, a talent, a service they didn’t get the government to help them become who they are! It is a myth that government can help anybody! The bigger government becomes the more they take until pretty soon no one has anything! We should all be concerned about the future that awaits our children and grandchildren under an out of control Government! BTW the government sued Microsoft because they said they weren’t being “fair” and the government ended up confiscating a big chunk of Microsofts money! It is only “Fair” right?

      • MOMSRIGHT

        opps! My mistake the fed is Not a government run entity! It is a Cadre of foreign controlled persons of wealth who steal American money and loan it out to foreign countries or borrow from foreign interests. They have put our whole country in debt! They play monopoly with Americas wealth and they have the power to tank our whole economy if they so choose! Where is that in the constitution? of course they work hand in hand with the American government! When Obama needs more play money he just calls his friends at the fed! If you want to get right to it none of us has any money! It is only pieces of paper that we have consented to give value to! If you have no gold you have no real money!

      • http://naver samurai

        Duhniso a lib or socialist? Why do you think we try to ignore him as much as possible?

      • Denniso

        If MOMS wants wide open capitalism w/ no rules imposed by gov’t then she’s hopelessly naive and pointless to debate.

        The gov’t started the internet…the gov’t through huge computer purchases for schools,the military and itself made Microsoft what it is. MOMS vilifies the gov’t just like most here and fails in her blindness to see the proper role and necessary function of gov’t,w/o which capitalism would devour itself and her.

      • JC

        Actually Denniso, YOU are hopelessly trained and useless to debate.
        A completely programmed statist drone. Sad really.

      • Airangel

        Denniso, you quoted “Most of those pay taxes in other ways…
        property tax,sales tax,state tax,Fed excise tax,auto license and registration”…the working middle class pays all those taxes mentioned AND federal income, state, Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid…we are sick of being taxed to death and especially sick of paying for “non-citizens”! and frivolous Government spending for parties, booze, food, jets, art museums, NASCAR sponsorship, etc -Comprende?

      • Denniso

        Airangel…comprende usted? many of the working poor and lower class also pay gasoline tax,social security tax…my point was that Bob Livingston is wrong in stating that half the population doesn’t pay taxes and is supported by the other half. I think most people pay too much in all the taxes combined and that the very rich pay way too little.

      • http://naver samurai

        Duhniso, first drop the spanish. We speak English, remember? Second, if you read the article (A lib read? OMG!) you’ll understand that they are talkong about federal and maybe state taxes. You say the rich pay too little? Where have you been? The top 5%-10% of wage earners pay up to 95% of all revenues collected by our government. Get off of the liberal crack. It’s frying your brain!

      • Denniso

        Tienne una problema? No hablas espanol? Pobrecito…so what gives you the right to tell me what language to use? Are you afraid of seeing another language written? Is this country only open to english speakers…no Spanish,German,French?? Take a hike phony warrior.

      • http://naver samurai

        Don’t forget duhniso, our official language is English. It is also our one unifying language and was the language that was vote for the Constitution to be written. I have no problem with someone speaking another language, like I do (Korean), but if you want to live and do business in America, you should know our language. Come up here to my hometown and start talking that nonsense, you moron! You’ll get an answer, just different then the one you was expecting. Who the !@#$ are you calling a phony warrior? At least I served 20 years, but what the !@#$ did you do but sit back on your big fat arse and bitch about everything that wasn’t given to you free? Like I said before, if you are here legally, welcome.

      • DaveH

        From Denniso: “The other side of this is that wages have stagnated for decades for most of the working class”.
        Then how do you explain this, Denniso?
        http://www.ecanned.com/2007_03_01_archive.html

      • Right Wing

        Denniso, wrong. The statement that 50% are supported is a fair assessment. There was no mention of federal tax filings as the basis for the statement so lets return to that in a moment. Welfare is comprised of many facets including education, housing subsidies, unemployment and disability insurance, income subsidies, food stamps, etc. Approximately 37% rely directly on welfare programs to stay above poverty level. Consider social security benefits, prescription drug subsidies, etc. and 50% support looks very reasonable. These funds are generated by producing taxpayers therefore, the comment, “The producers support the non-producers.”

        Now lets look at the 47% who don’t pay federal taxes. If you are truly naive enough to think that the majority of those not filing federal returns are hapless victims of a lean economy, then you belong in the footnote section referring to blind idiots. I bet you jumped on the ship of fools who claim all loan borrowers fell victim to “predatory lending” but could not fathom the concept of predatory borrowers. You seem to think taxes decrease for prosperous people which is so far in left field you are beyond the fence. The fact is that about 63% of tax funds are generated by 5% of the population. The bottom 50% of the population generate only 3% of tax funds. You are so far left on welfare for the poor victims that you have no more logic. Try coloring books, they would suit you better.

      • Denniso

        WRONG wing…you are so far off that it’s pointless to try to talk w/ you. You are including social security benefits in the 50% of the population being ‘supported’? Didn’t the vast majority of SS recipients pay in to it? Isn’t it basically their own money? Your ridiculous and a waste of my time.

      • Right Wing

        Your pointless and baseless fact slinging is a waste of time to all here. You simply are not capable of understanding what you read and obviously invent facts to support your wild speculations. If you have something valuable to contribute try offering supporting information for your “facts”. Your unsupported liberal agenda does not fly here so consider wasting your time somewhere else.

      • http://naver samurai

        Duhniso, its not whether they paid into it or not. Its the ones that are getting handouts and are able to work is what is being talked about here. Go sell you left wing crap somewhere else! Iran is nice this time of year!

      • Denniso

        WrongWing…sorry to upset you,but why didn’t you answer the question?
        Are you including social security recipients in the 50% that are supposedly being supported by the rest?

      • http://naver samurai

        OK duhniso. Just the ones that havent paid into anything, but are getting free handouts. Is that clear enough for you, moron? If you think you libs are doing a good job, then answer these few questions:

        1. Why don’t the dems, libs, and bleeding hearts abolish the self destructive welfare state? I thought this would be obvious since it is unconstitutional.

        2. Why did Obama bin Laden force many of his bills down the throat of the average American who didn’t want them?

        3. Why does “Osama” and his cronies believe in shredding the Constitution every chance they get, because our founding fathers based it on common sense and their christian beliefs?

        4. Why is “Osama” plunging us into a record debt, no economic turn around, no jobs, no money, and now we owe China more money than any other country or organization on the earth?

        5. Why has he lied about everything he has done in his life? College, selective service, citizenship, experience, his faith (He was caught saying he was a muslim in an interview with NBC News, and many other things?

        6. Where’s your DD 214 showing that you did your military service, even just your hitch?

        I suggest that you just shut the !@#$%^& heck up until you can answer all these questions with facts to back them up. 알겠느냐 미친놈아!
        In Korean that means, “You understand you crazy bastard?” How do you like being spoken to in a different language, you moron?

      • Right Wing

        Samurai, Thanks for covering for me. Denniso is an argumentative twit that applies baseless logic and amorphous “facts” to support his in-conclusions. I made the mistake of assuming Denisso could understand the rational disdain producers have for being told to the carry the water of able people…in any form. Oops. Thanks for clearing that up for me Samurai. Any more questions Denise?

      • http://naver samurai

        No problem right wing. Glad to be of service!

      • Denniso

        I don’t usually talk to people who directly call me names, and won’t make an exception to even read your crap.

      • http://naver samurai

        Duhniso, if you don’t want to read ny posts fine! Fine! If you can, can you answer the questions I have posted with facts to back them up? Is this better labguage for you, so I don’t hurt your feelings again?

      • JC

        Hamilton was an advocate of central banking and taxation on the British model. The very model we had just fought a war to rid ourselves of. He instituted the Bank of the United States and encouraged hiw wealthy friend to buy bonds in that bank in order to ensure their support of taxation. (Their profits)
        He led an army of 13,000 into Pennsylvania in order to put down the Whisky (tax) rebellion. He imprisoned and executed citizens of Pennsylvania that were in opposition to his authoritarian profiteering.
        That enough facts for you Frank or do you need more?
        Hamilton should have been shot for the traitor that he was.

      • http://none Alex

        “Hamilton should have been shot for the traitor he was” ?
        So, logically you will agree that Robert E. Lee, the traitor responsible for killing more Amerikans than Osama bin Laden, should likewise have been shot.

      • http://naver samurai

        General Lee wasn’t a traitor, you idiot. He went and fought for his native state of Virginia. Also, during our Civil War is was Americans vs. Americans so what is your point?

      • JC

        Robert E Lee was hero and a Patriot and you couldn’t carry his water.
        How you can even begin to compare the two is beyind all reason.

      • Al Sieber

        Alex, Hamilton was shot in a duel, by Aaron Burr.

      • http://none Alex

        Al Seiber–I was quoting JC the Teabagger who said that Hamilton should have been shot (that is what quotations marks are meant to indicate).

      • http://naver samurai

        OK, Alex. What’s wrong with being part of the party that wants to take our country down the road set by our founding fathers? Guess you must be part of that 50% who either don’t pay taxes or get that unconstitutional welfare check every month. Get off of the koolaid.

      • JC

        Thanks for the clarification Alex. I will be more clear also.
        Hamilton should have been shot by a firing squad ordained by a courts martial, for acts of sedition against the People of the United States of America. Glad I could clear that up.

      • Frank Oak

        Bob,

        If you read the notes of the Convention by Madison, Hamilton proposed that the British system of Government was the best in the world at that time. I do not know of a better one and am certainly happy we didn’t model our government after the German or French. There were many other proposals submitted and the Constitution was a combination of many of them.

        What Hamilton did after the Constitution was ratified makes no difference on what he said to entice the States to accept the Constitution. His statements in the Federalist Papers prove the original intent of the founders who ratified it. Those arguments are essential for bringing back Constitutional Government. We must bring it back if we are to survive as a free people.

        It is impossible to bring back Constitutional Government when few people understand what it is. We live in an age when everyone thinks their opinion is as good as fact and people have been so indoctrinated by the public schools they don’t know the difference. I don’t know how understanding comes about in people unless God opens their eyes. I found that Publius Huldah is trying her best to explain the Constitution on her website. She has shown how the Supreme Court lied to take religion out of the government and in her recent paper she showed how the Arizona law was constitutional. She is one of the few people I have found on the web whose papers are all self-proving. I do know that if you search for the truth you will find it and the “Truth will set you free”.

        Frank

      • JC

        Well just like the media…we’re not going to find any truth listening to you, just “spin”.

      • http://none Alex

        Funny how you Teabaggers throw around the word ‘spin’ without seeming to understand that all media, left right or centrist, put spin on all editorial content—do you even understand the term ‘editor’?
        Bill O’Really? of Faux News introduced the old term ‘spin’ to a new audience—specifically the dunderheads who watch his spin-smothered program for anything more than a laugh. Faux News puts all of their news through more spin cycles than a Saturday laundromat. Did you see Glenn Beck the other night, claiming that only Faux News was showing the Israeli attack on the care workers? HAA! You people who never venture far enough from Faux to breath real air probably believe him!! HAAA!!! Absolute lie,again, from Glenn Beck and the Teabag Network. At least people like me get our information from a variety of sources, even the jokers at Faux. Teabaggers listen ONLY to conservative Fright Wingers like Flush Limpbowels and the Faux crew. The Left is right, always has been and always will be!

      • JC

        Oh Look…a communist is calling me names. I’m so hurt.
        It’s kind of like getting “the finger” from a cockroach.

      • http://naver samurai

        Alex, just stay off of the site unless you have something useful to say. Wait, a lib, commie, athiest? Don’t think so….

      • Annie Ladysmith

        The truth is; Hamilton was a spy for the Rothchilds and was hired by the Illuminati cult (yes, they were in many ways behind the ‘revolution’,they had plans to get total control of the new country and it’s gold, Hamilton was one of their main spys), it may be hard to take but it is the truth, there is just too much documentation if you do the research.

    • James

      Anthony, Brilliant! I would just add that there is no provision in the U.S. Constitution for the president and vice president to be elected by the people. And Art. I, Sec. 8, Cl. 5 reads: “Congress shall have power To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign coin.” The only problem is, it doesn’t say they must do that.

      • JC

        Nor does it say they have the right to turn that power over to a private bank outside the realm of the government. Which they have.

    • Julie

      I would vote you in for office! We need more people like you to actually stand by our Constitution and defend it.

    • kate8

      Thank you, Bob, for addressing this issue so well. It’s time we all become aware of what is actually going on and, thanks to people like you, we are.

      Thank you, also, Anthony, for your excellent post. You are, obviously, someone who has done a great deal of research and are able to see through the smokescreen of propaganda.

      We all know that the reason that politicians pander to the poor is because they have set the system up to have mostly poor, in order to insure the votes. They are the easiest to manipulate, to make them believe that government helps them when it merely keeps them poor. Besides, the uber-rich actually benefit the most, anyway.

      By the time the majority figure it all out, the system is well entrenched and we find ourselves thoroughly enslaved. I guess the elites figure that, in our outrage, we’ll end up killing each other off and they’ll have things just the way they want them.

      What a fine mess we’ve gotten ourselves into.

    • JeffH

      Once again Thank You Anthony for your wonderfull contributions to Personal Liberty Digest.

    • Dan

      Anthony,
      You are right on in dealing with the 16th and the 17th Amendment. Both of these amendments have got to be overturned. Only then can we begin to get this country on the right footing. The 17th Amendment will put the power back into the states, and the people. That is required before we can get rid of the transfer of wealth / welfare state mentality. Getting rid of the governments power of taxiation, violation of the 4th and the 5th Amendments in the process, can only happen when the 16th Amendment is reversed. This will be a real uphill battle, but once won, it will save the Union, and be worth it the effort.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Anthony,
      I must disagree with you on one point. The income tax does not go back to the Federal Reserve, which does not need the money. When the Fed needs money it simply prints more. There is no such thing as public debt. How can the Federal Government have debt with electronic money that is nothing more than computer symbols that can be created to infinity? I urge you to read: http://www.personalliberty.com/personal-liberty-articles/prosperity-can-return-and-the-fix-is-simple/
      All the best,
      Bob

      • http://LiberttyDigest Bruce D.

        Bob are you saying public debt is irrevelnt because it does not exist and we should not concern ourselves with the 13 trillion.

      • kate8

        Bruce, the system was set up to collapse. That was always the intention.

      • angel-wanna-be

        kate8, but none of us figured on living to see it come to pass.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Bruce D.,
        Kate8 is correct. They system is set up to collapse. The simple answer to your question is yes… and no. I invite you to read the linked article above. I’ve written a lot about this, so search through my archives for a complete answer.
        Best wishes,
        Bob

    • Freedom Fighter

      Well said. These points and many more are for the ever-increasing power of the state, rendering us no more than slaves. The logical conclusion is that the feds will use us until we have no use to them. It is a culture of slavery, debt, and ultimately death.

      • kate8

        You are right, Freedom Fighter, and we have reached the point where we are no longer of use to them.

        Mass genocide is well underway, and has been for some time. We’ve been a bit more resiliant than the PTB would like, but people would be amazed at all the assaults being hurled at us. The USA is now their main target, and we can expect the intensity to increase.

        This is an uncomfortable topic that most don’t want to acknowledge. It’s far too horrifying and, anyway, no one is listening. But it would behoove many to turn more toward spirit, since I don’t see help coming from anywhere else.

    • http://none Alex

      Wrong on that last little pip there, Anthony.
      The Second stupid Amendment calls for a “well-regulated” militia—and, though not specified at the time because the technology was not there, clearly gun registration falls under the line “well-regulated”. Gun-totin’ Teabaggers miss this point, always.
      The reason to register guns is to determine who owned guns used in particular crimes.
      If idiots want to protect their homes, a rifle or shotgun is fine. Hanguns, concealable and easily transportable MUST be made illegal.One can protect one’s home with a long gun, but you cannot easily take a rifle down to the 7-11 to kill the night clerk.
      Gun toters suffer serious penis envy and use the gun to mask their own, um, shortcomings.

      • JeffH

        Alex, perhaps you are the one in envy because of your own shortcomings and that Americans have that inherent right to protect themselves and their property from criminals and tyranny, something you obviously don’t or can’t understand.

        OOPS! Forgot you hated America.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        Obviously Alex has never seen a 17 jnch sawed off 12 guage shotgun!!! Think that little bird full of double ought buck would kill that clerk??? Any determined criminal will find a way to kill, if not a gun, then a knife, club, or a rock!!!

      • Dan Burke

        I don’t own a gun, but I don’t think my neighbor should have to register their guns. It is a law and I think we should obey the law. However, I do not think the law is the right thing. What I have come to understand that a well regulated militia to be is one that actually knows how to use a gun. How many of us would be dangerous around guns? Not because we are dangerous people but because we don’t know how to safely handle a gun? I took a gun safety class a long time ago. I would think I should be held accountable to have a refresher if I were to decide that I want to possess a gun. Just like if I don’t want to injure myself going scuba diving, I should have a refresher course (which it has been about five years or more since I dove so that would be prudent whether they accepted my scuba license as is or not). And just because I learned some gun safety still wouldn’t make me safe. I should practice regularly so that when I use the gun it is less likely that I will shoot the wrong target (or to even know when I can and cannot “make the shot”).

      • Al Sieber

        Alex, you should be banished from this country to somewhere like communist Cuba, you would fit in real well there, I’ll buy the ticket. no firearm’s allowed.

      • JC

        Man you are one seriously twisted little freak.
        Its sad because you are probably a product of public “state” schools and you were given no sense of morality whatever…other than to blindly follow whoever tells you that they are your benefactor. And you’re actually gullible enough to believe it.
        Gun Control doesn’t work…never has…never will.

      • http://naver samurai

        Oh, I don’t know about the Alex. Considering I used one for 20 years just to protect your sorry little but from our enemies. Just go somewhere else. You must be a teenager high on some weed right now. Sober up and get a life.

      • rwnut

        Alex….I’ve never heard so much leftwing,liberal,twisted gibberish in my life.The reason to register guns is CONFISCATION! Iknow what you want to do with me when they’re confiscated.
        K— M- A– you leftwing liberal,UNAMERICAN peice of S—!

      • http://none Alex

        The fact that you have “never heard” such Left Wing comments is part of your problem, FrightWingnut. Intelligent people like me are not afraid to venture over to the other side to see what is in the current discourse. Teabaggers, on the other hand, do not think for themselves, nor do they listen to alternative points of view. You people are like scared little sheep, always following what other people say. By closing your starving minds to even the idea of listening to what other people have to say severely limits your ability to add to the public discourse. Grow up–join the real world.
        The Left is right, and always will be.

      • JC

        The only problem we have is an infestation of communist cockroaches.

      • rwnut

        Alex…Venture over and listen to this,(no one said it for me)you’re not smart enough to tell the differance between a baby ruth and a turd.You ought to give up that candy habit Alex,it rots your teeth and gives you bad breath.Great Wise One,nothing you’ve said is “worth” discourse.Your post about “that stupid second amendment”shows your IQ.As I said before,it’s pure gibberish and garbage.Discourse is not what you’re about Alex.I’m smart enough to know when a leftwing commie(you)is about the destruction of the Constitution.That’s your game Alex and nothing more.I’m not discoursing with someone who only wants to s— on the Constitution.That’s yours and Yo Mama Obama’s whole purpose in life.Why pretend Alex? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again,”You can’t piss on my back and call it rain!”

      • http://naver samurai

        I think that liberal crack you have been smoking has fried your brain!

      • scratchpad62

        i love the line where you stated “if idiot’s want to protect their homes”! so i’m an idiot for wanting to protect my home,family,loved one’s? tell you what, post your address! we’ll see who’s the idiot!

      • angel-wanna-be

        Scaratchpad62, send him to the Northeast, I’ve got a pitbull who loves to play with strangers!!!!__LOL

    • Bud

      Why in the world was such an epistle postd? Is there anyone who has such a non-life that they would sit and read through that?

      Sorry, but when a diatribe runs more than two or thee reasonably-brief paragraphs…

    • SiliconDoc

      With Obama and the new liberal doctrines, who needs a standing army?
      Like the One’s recent yet rare official national address from inside the Oval Office – on the BP oil leak, the now insane potus spewed the government libspeak and had his WAR ON OIL LEAKS marshall language flopping out his flaptrap.
      So this is what they are up to. Anything goes for a WAR, so any issue they want to subvert and ignore the Constitution on, automatically becomes a WAR when the speak about it.
      War on Poverty.
      War on Terror.
      Now war on the oil leak.
      Everything is a war to these left loon eggheads, a crisis, a man made disaster, and so any government action can be pushed through in response, since the pinheads are fighting a war.
      War on drugs.
      War on the overweight.
      They’ve got so many standing armies and so many simultaneous wars and so many complete losses and not a single win, they should declare a war on their own power hungry mental illnesses.

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