Anthony–I have to agree with you–She commented about a certain Texan being the culprit for the oil spill, and she should not say things like this unless she has positive proof.

eddie

we sure plug that hole in your face. if they didn’t want this type of catastrophe, what took them so long before making any kind of effort to fix the problem and they are still stalling. huh? i guess you could say they are not capable of handling such a crisis, i’d agree on that one!!

Eddie -

Have you researched LOOSE CHANGE ? (there’s even a 2nd Edition)
What about “American Coup”…?

You need to wake up boy…..

jim

a national geographic program two days ago showed the coast guard skimming the water and separating the oil into 25,000 gal tubes, it doesn’t take a chinese attorney to figure out some of these recovery actions, however, the epa is too busy trying to find some reason not too. the radio reported today we have lots of barges set up for this type of recovery and are on the way there. so why has it taken so long for someone to get a handle on this??

Chuck b, I don’t know how long it takes to move and set up this equipment, but 45 days does seem to long. Early on the estimates on how bad the damage is was underestimated, so maybe the call for help was delayed. I’m just speculating. We get so much information, from so many sources, it’s hard to separate fact from rumor. Then there is bureaucracy, moving at the speed of snail to issue permits. ( you need a permit for a disaster?)

Jim H — It is taking forever to get things going and it is driving me nuts. A horrific disaster and “they” are moving like sloths. It makes me sick to think about the fishermen, the economy, the coastline, the marine life, egads. I am so impatient. I would have had things going on day one!!
To hell with red tape, and bureaucracy. I just want to reach out and smack all their faces. How dare they screw around with a disaster such as this??!!

Jim H–What about the plumes? BP says there are none, but yet someone has seen them. Dang it, I can’t remember the name of the person that saw them. Scientist? egads, I don’t know but I do remember thinking that I would believe the person first, not BP. This is what I heard on TV yesterday.

Bogiewheel-Sorry, I am getting tired and I get goofy when I am tired.

“I beg your pardon”

JeffH—I left that out!!!

Claire, lol…I couldn’t resist and just had to add it in…such a good fit.

JeffH— But you were correct. I didn’t have all the words.

JeffH – I’ve got to say that I could not make heads or tails over what she was attempting to say…or at whom?

libertytrain…so far as I can recall…that’s a “status quo’ for Sue C.

Whoa–I would say she is pissed. Texan–she is referring to Bush more than likely.

No doubt…it’s Bush’s fault again.

JeffH,
don’t you know Bush went out there and beat on the valve with a sledge until it blew??? Lucky for him he was blown clear of the fire!!! I guess I really shouldn’t feed Sue like that but she sounds soignorant!!!

JeffH–The only other rich white Texan is T. Boone Pickens. He chairs the hedge fund for BP. Hmmmmm….

Now Claire, what about JR Ewing?

JeffH– Funny. JR would be capable, but Bobby Ewing was too honest. I came up with two other names–but maybe I shouldn’t post them. Heavy hitters donating to politicians-big money. Sue C’s post was weird. Why go through all that? Still, I have to admit I am curious.

JeffH–Damn it, I want to play detective!

Claire…Sue C is another wierd one around here…to even begin to try to comprehend the chatter is like a 1000 piece puzzle. Where to start.

JeffH–For her to imply something like that is rather odd, and she appeared to be very hostile.

Claire, all her posts have been a bit off with a penchant for real anger and hate. Reminds me of a one legged woman I once new named Ilene…didn’t have a left leg and always tilted to the left, no matter what! Oh well. lol

JeffH–Here’s a funny– Bob likes to go to IHOP for breakfast sometimes and he will always says “I want to go to IHOP and see Ilene.” Gosh, that’s terrible.

Yup Victor I know one thing for sure I have no political correctness! My passion is to keep my freedom and to secure my future and the future of my children and grandchildren. No matter what the current administration throws at the American people we all have got to stand up together and be heard! I know I have learned one thing about political correctness, if you are in the presence of a Liberal or someone who is teetering on the fence to join the conservative party, do not say negative things about the “GREAT ONE” because it will only make them feel sorry for him and he will win their vote….that’s how these bleeding heart liberals are….this country has been ruined by sensitivity…sad huh?

Cathy, I was thinking the exact same thing! Unfortunately, it’s probably even more than probable and that’s tragic that we’ve come to this, isn’t it? That is how Marxists work, though!

Another one dealing in conspiracies;you fit right in.

With all of the information out there…with all of the black ops that have been exposed…with all of the politicians caught being involved in illegalities…with all of the hard evidence of government collusion in immoral activities around the world…
You can still paint everyone who doesn’t trust the government with the “conspiracy nut” brush?
I’d have to say your completely out of touch with reality.

s c
Can I take that as a job well done for BP from you?
I’m not at at all surprised you know how to spell bufoon. I bet you can spell A–Hole as well since you “is” one.

Oops sorry I meant buffoon, actually I meant SC.

normie,
the only one on here that acts like the north end of a south-bound donkey is you!!!

being “in charge” is not a dance.

Vicki–I am fully aware that “being in charge” is not a dance. You know exactly what I meant-it takes both (the two of them, the administration and BP) to work things out and come up with a solution.

You can not have 2 leaders and you can not have 2 masters. Either BP must take the lead or the Obama Admin must. Obama claims to have taken the lead and BP has publicly stated that they do what Obama’s admin authorizes (allows).

Now I don’t know much about Oil wells and spills and controls but I do know that BP has MUCH more to lose then Obama’s administration does. BP has MUCH more experience in Oil exploration than Obama’s administration does.

BP is the one who should be running the operation. BP has the strongest incentive to stop the leak. BP is the one who will have to pay the financial costs. BP is the one who is loosing millions of dollars in product every day. Obama could be useful by having his admin assist BP instead of controlling them. Obama could be useful by asking for independent investigation of what caused the accident instead of foolishly claiming they will “get” those responsible.

Besides, sometimes accidents do happen.

Personally, I do not think it is a matter of having 2 leaders or 2 masters in some cases. What is wrong with working together to solve any problem? However, in view of the fact Obama has said he is now in charge, then he should have made the arrangements to have equipment and the necessary strategies to stop the leak as soon as possible. This is debatable since I don’t think politicians are oil men. In my opinion he waited too long to provide any input to the situation.
The big tankers that suck up the oil should have been brought in immediately and they weren’t.
Yes, BP has a lot to lose, and I realize they have “experience” but this experience should also include the proper equipment and wherewithal to stop this leak. They apparently did not have the proper equipment or this would have been taken care of by now. Preparation is the key since accidents do happen and they will happen. I am a believer in an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If we do offshore drilling, then be prepared. We have the technology but we should have the proper equipment/maintenance in the event of an accident.
I believe Obama sent Holder down there. It will be interesting to see what happens with this aspect. Is it for investigation or possible lawsuit. I have not heard any news concerning Holder’s trip to the gulf. I haven’t watched the news today.
The devastation from this oil spill will last for years. I am truly concerned about the economy of these gulf states, the fishermen, the destruction of the wetlands, the ocean and the marine life. We will all be paying for this in one way or another.
To me, they are both at fault. BP should have been prepared and Obama should have stepped up to the plate to offer aid the minute this oil spill happened.

Dave–I did not use the black terminology, Shaker did. Another round of racism. Racism is still alive in America. No way around it. I find it disgusting.

BRAVO!!! You hit the nail directly on the head!

Clair,

They may do the reaping,guess who pays for it,we do.

Clair,

We the american people pays for it.

We The People always pay… American or not.. but it’s no accident, or incompetent politicians. The politicians are doing exactly what their masters with the money dictate… subtly or not so subtly. Even that wild and whacky Sarah Palen who may not actually even have a clue to the powers that truly run this country. The others talk about change but they’re not ready to step in front of the bullet. They just whip up foment against powerless scapegoats and make sure they never come close to stepping on the toes of the really big boys.

Duende–To me, politicians are incompetent when they do what the masters of money dictate. None of them want to step in front of the bullet, they wouldn’t get elected nor re-elected. The masters of money would not and will not allow it if the politicians did not do their “bidding.” The political system is a sham.

Duende, I couldn’t agree more…very true I’m sure.

All this talk about the money masters, but one fact surely is BP is connected to “the secret unnamed money masters” just as much as congress is.
I watched the congressional hours on the FED bailout and Geithner and all the rest – Bernanke and “if we tell you who got the trillions it will create a bank run panic, ‘George’ .”
I’ve read and watched and devoured everything I can for years on Bilderberger, the NWO, the UN, and all the rest.
It’s clear, stark ravingly absolutely clear that the banks and Wall Street and the countless trillions jostling about those entities are “the money masters” and it is also clear each and every congressperson HAS A PERSONAL ASSET they are concerned iwth every single time they cast any votes in the matter, let alone “bribery from K Street”.
We HAVE the list of billionaires in the world, we have the Corporations numbers and values – very little is absolutely hidden… worldwide money numbers are known, the big players are known, it’s NOT A SECRET ANYMORE – the internet has EXPLODED the lack of widespread knowledge.
When the Congress votes on matters pertaining to the stock markets/ Wall Street, they have plenty of personal interests, friends and family, government pension funds, worldwide power and influence, massive budget borrowing, and all the other general concerns that come with the territory – they don’t NEED any “big players” stuffing their pockets for them to SCREW IT ALL UP in their own fear and greed and power nightmare…
See, that’s the very, very sad part…
Even if by some miracle the dark evil secret gigantic money powers are explosed and crushed, we still have the fat piglet congrersscritters and their endless personal interests far removed from bribes and those shenanigans to overcome – or rather THEY DO.
What does a demolibidiot congrocritter piece of crap do when confronted with a vote on making loans to the “poor” for three hundred thousand dollar plus homes ? (Nancy recently wanted it upped to 450k or so) We know what they do. Politics and their demo lib slaved post modern progressive propaganda prize dictates the answer before a DIME exchanges hands.
The problem isn’t just secretive and diabolical world control money monsters pushing around the corrupt critters on the floor of the houses.

Duende-

You are so right. The real powers that run this country and much of the world are those whose names you never hear, live in fabulous but secluded places, and reap fortunes from the suffering of others.

Politicians are like actors in a movie. When the actor says something brilliant the audience reacts thing how smart the actor is when actually the actor can be a complete dullard and the words were written by someone the audience never sees or thinks about. How the actor delivers the words are determined by the director… another person the audience never sees. The public is like the audience at a movie… we see the actors but not the driving forces behind them.

When one gets to know a lot of actors one realizes that there are some that are brilliant, dedicated artists with high integrity, there are others that DNA has blessed with a “look” that works but otherwise have little to offer intellectually or morally. All serve the script.

Politicians are no different, they just perform in a different type of theatre on a different stage. There are some brilliant men and women of great integrity and some absolute bozos who have been “handled” in such a way as to win an election because they have a marketable “look”.

Consider how many singers are very beautiful (seen many ugly ones lately despite their talent?). Many, without pitch correction, great sound enhancement, and hot choreography would have any careers at all.

So beware of becoming followers of any politician, right or left, because you are following an illusion.

We conservatives are especially in danger as the conservative message is being usurped by shallow intellects who make good media images, such as our recent vice presidential candidate, who is no more qualified to lead our great nation than she is to be dog catcher.

We must see through the garbage being spilled on us by the back room handlers and seek REAL leadership that can move our country in the right direction and preserve what is great about it while adapting to the real challenges that face us and not be distracted by the artificial ones blown way out of proportion by the real powers so they can be free to pursue their own hidden agendas.

coal miner– Agreed, we always do.

coal miner, so true…agreed.

High Steel Worker (build and maintain Power Plants) AGREE

Clair,

You are right about needing regulation. I don’t know of anyone asking for deregulation. You are absolutely right that someone wasn’t doing their job. That would be the MMS, a division of the US GOVERNMENT.
Offshore drilling is safer now than it has ever been. Countless wells have been successfully and safely drilled in the deepwater Gulf of Mexico many of which were in deeper water than this one. The MMS is responsible for inspections on ALL rigs working in the Gulf to insure that every one of them is doing what it is supposed to do. This is a failure of another government agency to do what it is supposed to do. What makes absolutely no sense is to stop all drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.
That is exactly what our President has done. It doesn’t take a genius to see what that is going to do to the economy of not only Louisiana and other Gulf states not to mention other parts of the country that depend on the oil and gas produced in the Gulf. There are many thousands of people who make their living in the Gulf. The moratoriums placed on drilling will cost these people their jobs. That is just what we need with the economy in the condition it is.
To shut down all deepwater drilling is an

Gary—offshore drilling is fine, BUT HAVE the technology to prevent a mess like we have now. This mess has already created ecomomic havoc for these gulf states.

Clair,

The technology is in place. That is why we don’t have this kind of thing happening more often. The problem is the human factor. Clearly the people involved in this tragedy including MMS, were neglegent in some way. The technology is already there.
The spill has shut down the seafood industry as well as charter fishing in some areas. Why add insult to injury by arbitrarily shutting down all drilling particularly when the people making that decision are not competent in that field.

Gary–Okay, then the “human factor” needs to shape up or get out. If they cannot do their job like they should, they have no business doing this type of work. I believe in workhorse ethics, not showhorse ethics. They are many aspects in a number of jobs that requires concentration and good sound work ethics. I do not believe in half-ass workmanship.

Gary—Sorry, but if the technology was in place, why haven’t they stopped the leak— because they do not have the proper equipment to stop the leak.

Claire,
According to what I have seen on all the news reports, including BBC, the operators had been using salt water instead of drilling sludge to drill and that caused friction.Of course the sludge is more expensive.

JoeH–This disastrous oil spill and they are still cutting corners? According to what you say they should have used sludge.

…three words, “Cap and Tax”…Obama has already started the push…once again, never let a crisis go to waste…utterly despicable!

JeffH–Politicians always use a crisis to further their gain. It never ceases to amaze me of the unmitigated gall to use misfortune or misery to seek their goals.

Technology has improved over the years and offshore drilling is safer and more reliable. But why to oil companies have to go farther offshore and in deeper water? Because the government and environmental groups whom they cater to has forced them to. We have plently of onshore areas that could be developed. I work on Alaska’s north slope. There is enough potential in Alaska alone to significantly contribute to America’s oil requirements.

I agree with you Claire. I think this is an issue that people on the right and left can agree on. I will say my only caution to Jeff is blaming the Obama administration for the lapse in regulation would be sketchy. All of the licensing for this occurred during the previous administration or just a couple of months into the new one. I think we all know who the biggest supporter of the oil industry and Haliburton was, and still is.

Dave–Yes, and Halliburton has donated huge sums of money to Republicans since this oil spill happened and you know what that means. However, the Democrats receive their share too. It is another ploy.

Dave, licensing smicensing…monthly safety inspections were not held on Obama’s watch and it was the OBAMA ADMIN THAT GAVE THE RIG A ‘SAFETY AWARD’ LAST YEAR, not any other administration…with that I say to you, check your facts first.

From: Sun May 16, Justin Pritchard, Associated Press
AP investigations have shown that the doomed rig was allowed to operate without safety documentation required by MMS regulations for the exact disaster scenario that occurred; that the cutoff valve which failed has repeatedly broken down at other wells in the years since regulators weakened testing requirements; and that regulation is so lax that some key safety aspects on rigs are decided almost entirely by the companies doing the work.

The job falls to the 55 inspectors in the Gulf who are supposed to visit the 90 drilling rigs once per month and the approximately 3,500 oil production platforms once per year.

The Deepwater Horizon’s inspection frequency numbers struck Kenneth Arnold, a veteran offshore drilling consultant and engineer.
“I’d certainly question it,” he said. “I’d ask, ‘Why aren’t you doing it?’”
http://randysright.wordpress.com/2010/05/17/obama-admin-gave-rig-safety-award-last-year/

Please note, I’m not absolving BP in any way…the blame lies with both BP and the “government’s” irresponsibility in #1-lack of pro-reaction to the disaster and #2-irresponsible inspections and #3-BP all of the above

Claire, I keep hearing about the Haliburton donations to the GOP but can’t find any information. I know that Soros has a vested interest in Haliburton stocks.

“The latest move by globe trotting, hyper-liberal billionaire George Soros borders on being too much…. Soros, of course, is the dean of Democratic money giving. And Halliburton, of course, is the company that embodies everything the Democrats see as evil. Dick Cheney is its former chief, for goodness’ sake.”
George Soros bought 1.9 million shares of Halliburton stock to the tune of $62.6 million in the fourth quarter of 2006, the same Soros that gave more than $20 million to “527″ organizations in the 2004 election, many of which used anti-Halliburton bashing as a rallying cry for the anti-war Left.

You would have found information but it was too easy to go after Soros. Now that’s okay but you get way to one sided. In 2002 Haliburton gave $ 240,000 to the Republican Party. In 2006 13 million to various campaigns.In 2010 they gave to 13 Republicans and 1 democrat. Now that doesn’t bother me as much as the other information . In 1998 Haliburton had 9 tax havens in the Grand Caimans by 1999 they had 44.One was even used to get around sanctions on Iran in 2000. Real patriotic bunch. Haliburtons taxes in 1998 were $302 million by 1999 they got a $85 million rebate. Those tax havens sure came in handy. In 2003 they paid 2.4 mil in bribes to Nigerian officials to get an even bigger tax break in the USA. When Dick Cheney became Vice-President he said he severed all ties with Haliburton (except stock options),yet he lied and kept getting $150,000 per year. In Dec. 2003 Haliburton over charged us Americans $61 mil. in gas prices. In 2004 they again paid 180 mil in bribes to Nigerian officials to get a gas plant contract. Nigeria is still #1 in internet and mail fraud. So why does Haliburton keep allowing themselves to be bribed by this nation? They evade taxes again in 2004 and paid only $15mil out of a $12.5 billion profit. Then they go and bribe more Nigerian officials for another $1.4 mil. What a racket! It’s no wonder their is so much violence and unrest in Nigeria. Their citizens must really take it in the shorts. Also in 2004 Haliburton over charged us tax payers $27 mil. There’s more on other sights but you get the picture.

fast eddie…there you go again, not reading and comprehending in your haste to disprove my comment.

Now the point of Claire’s comment was what she said, and I’ll quote:
“…Halliburton has donated huge sums of money to Republicans since this oil spill happened…”
I stated that I couldn’t find, through my searches, any info about “donations” since the oil rig blowup, and I also, in my best rightwing way pointed out the Soros connection to Haliburton.

So I say to you, chew on your foot a little longer…it must taste good to you as often as you stick it in your mouth!

JeffH–The oil companies have donated to the liberals and the Republicans. This is exactly why these parties tend to give the oil companies a “free pass.” Do you agree?

Claire, you’ve pretty much said what most of us think…Yes, we’ll never know the “real” truth and never will.

Sorry Jeff, Those 2010 donations were in May right after the Horizon incident. I know ignorance is bliss but I didn’t want to rub it in in my last post. I should know by now that you always try to bite a person back with snide remarks.

fast eddie…what donations after May? Show me the links if you can find them because I haven’t and I’ve tried. All you showed was what most already knew, Haliburton donations from past years prior to 2010. But again, you’ve provided no sources other than your word. Now try as you may, you’ve still said nothing new and proved even less. So puff up your chest and walk tall knowing that you put no one in their place. It’s all there to be seen…keep your snippets coming, and don’t take everything so personal.

Claire… Agreed…these drilling rigs need very strict regulations .. We can’t just leave it to big oil or Wallstreet to be honest, as we’ve painfully seen…and yes… I also agree that right this minute BP is figuring out a way to make us pay it…it may just be s penny here and a penny there but they’ll get the cash outta us..never fails