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Cost Of Illegal Immigration In Arizona Amounts To Billions, Research Finds

May 31, 2010 by  

Cost of illegal immigration in Arizona amounts to billions, research finds  Lawyers across the country may be preparing lawsuits challenging the recently passed Arizona immigration law, but one immigration reform group says this doesn’t change the fact that the influx of illegal aliens has a significant impact on the state’s budget.

Recent estimates released by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) suggest that Arizona’s cost of illegal immigration exceeds $2.7 billion annually. Six years ago, the organization put that cost at about $1.3 billion.

Regarding specific budgetary areas, FAIR has found that K-12 education of the children of illegal aliens costs the state’s taxpayers nearly $1.4 billion. Among other state expenses, Medicaid, SCHIP, incarceration and welfare cost approximately $1 billion.

By contrast, the report found that state tax revenue collected from illegal immigrants amounts to only about $143 million annually, leaving a deficit of more than a $2.7 billion.

"It’s no surprise that the state of Arizona, one of the hardest hit by illegal immigration, now has one of the toughest laws," said Dan Stein, president of FAIR.

"[The bill] is a no-nonsense, common-sense example of a state acting where the Federal government is failing, a reaction to the inaction in Washington," he added.

However, opponents of the legislation worry that it will open doors to racial profiling of minorities and create distrust between law enforcement and residents.
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  • John

    We The AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD STAND TROGETHER.. DO NOT BUDGE. HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD: We Will Not Take This Government over-throw Of The Peoples Will. We Are Americans, Let-Us Get Back To Our Guiding Principals. OUR CONSTITUTION.. LET US UN-DO WHAT HAS BE DONE ILLEGALLY TO IT by these LIBERAL LEFTIST!! Today Is A Good Day To START!!!
    John

    • http://?? Joe H.

      John,
      AMEN!!! Well said, very well said!!

  • Isirio Abelon

    ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE ABOVE SAYS: “LAWYERS ACROSS THE NATION ARE PREPARING LAWSUITS CHALLENGING THE RECENTLY PASSED ARIZONA IMMIGRATION LAW” DEMOCRATS, DEMOCRATS, DEMOCRATS… ON WHAT BASIS!!! ENFORCE YOUR OWN IMMIGRATION LAW?. DID YOU READ THE NEW ARIZONA IMMIGRATION LAW? OR THE EXISTING FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW?. IF NOT PLEASE READ IT, BECAUSE YOUR LAWSUIT WILL NOT STAND… PERIOD.
    IT IS A TESTIMONY THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE PROTECTING ILLEGALS, WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND?.
    ITS ABOUT TIME TO STAND UP FOR AMERICA, BE AMERICAN.
    OBVIOUSLY, THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT CAPABLE OF RUNNING THIS COUNTRY, CRISES BEGUN IN 2006, WHEN THEY (DEMOCRATS) TOOK CONTROL OF THE CONGRESS. THE DOWNFALL OF THE ECONOMY, QUADRUPLE THE DEFICIT, VOTERS FRAUD, SUCH AS THE ACORN, THE BLACK PANTHERS INTIMIDATION. AND THE WORSE PART IS YOU HAVE TO PURCHASED YOUR OWN HEALTH CARE INSURANCE AS MANDATED BY THE GOVERNMENT OR GO TO JAIL, THEY DECIDE WHO WILL LIVE AND WHO WILL DIE. LIKE KILLING THE UNBORN BABIES, AND THE END OF LIFE FOR SENIORS. THE DEATH PANEL, ETC. YOU KNOW THE REST. ADIOS.
    ISIRIO

    • Meteorlady

      I think that our own Attorney General of the US is backing out because there isn’t a suit there and they don’t want the publicity of one either. The Federal Government will do other less obvious things to Arizona – cut some money here, but some money there……

  • Truth

    We know that FAIR is a RACIST ORG. No w for facts, The Undocumented pay more taxes than you think!!
    1,They DON’T have a card that says I AM UNDOCUMENTED, DON’T CHARGE ME SALES TAX, GAS TAX, CIGARETTES, FOOD, CLOTHING, TOOLS, ETC ETC. pay ALL THE SAME TAXES LIKE YOU & ME.

    2, THEY PAY STATE TAXES WHEN THEY RENT A HOUS, THE LANDLORD PAYS CITY 7 STATE TAXES.

    3. THEY PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY THAT IS WITHHELD FROM THEIR PAY CHECKS WHICH THEY WILL NEVER SEE, AND THE ALSO PAY FEDERAL INCOME TAX. THEY GET A ITN NUMBER FORM THE IRS.

    SO YOU CAN EASILY CHECK THESE FACTS OUT AND SEE THAT FAIR, MINUTEMEN, THE TEA PARTY ARE LIARS.

    STOP BEING A FOLLY AND FEED ON LIES LEARN TO CHECK FACTS AND WHO IS BEHIND THEM AND THEIR TRUE HIDDEN AGENDA.

    GOD BLESS AMERICA.

    • Jim H.

      Truth, The TRUTH is they are still here ILLEGALLY, what more TRUTH do you need?

      • JeffH

        Jim H., we must realize that people like Truth are the true enemy to our free America.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        Truth is operating on the mistaken idea that the illegals are working above the table!! when you work under the table or as a day worker, you don’t pay social security or state taxes, or federal taxes!!! See, what he doesn’t realize is I can still remember when I rented and even though I paid state taxes through rent, I also paid state taxes through payroll deductions! This tells me that truth doesn’t work or he would know that!!!

    • Claire

      Truth–The FACT is they are still ILLEGAL. And in turn, Americans have to pick up the tab for their health care, education etc. Why do you think the doctors, and hospitals CHARGE so much?? Why do you think our educational system is broke? Why are so many Americans looking for jobs? The welfare system is broke. America is broke! Enough is enough!!

    • Meteorlady

      They pay far far less then than they pay in. Go to the Center for Immigration Studies if you don’t like FAIR. You only see what you want to see and that sad.

    • Meteorlady

      Truth – go to the Center for Immigration Studies and the US Treasury website for information. They do not help our economy at all. If they are paying into SS then they have stolen someones identity.

  • jackbenimble

    @Max9010 – This article was not talking about immigrants. It was talking about illegal aliens.

    I agree that there are numerous studies which show the net benefits of immigration and I don’t doubt that there is considerable truth in them. But conflating immigration with illegal aliens is a deliberate deception and most of us see right through it. Immigration and illegal immigration are too very different things.

    Many legal immigrants are highly educated and able to command either high wages or start prosperous businesses. They do indeed contribute to the Treasury and to a prosperous America.

    But roughly 65% of illegal aliens lack anything even close to a high school education. Poorly educated people seldom thrive in our economy. They cost us a lot now because through their anchor babies and their use of fake and stolen identities they are drawing heavily on the social welfare system. If they are made legal, the vast majority of them will join and swell the ranks of the 40% of Americans who pay no Federal Income Taxes and they will be eligible for the full buffet of social welfare benefits at great cost to the few Americans who still actually pay taxes. When you import massive amounts of poverty you end up with poverty! And poverty spawns poverty. Ignorant parents raise ignorant children.

    If you want evidence of this newly imported poverty and the resulting poverty, you don’t need any particular academic study. All you need to do is look at Los Angelos. It is basically insolvent, crime and gang infested, and its schools have disintegrated from what were the pride of the nation 30 years ago to about the worst in the country. It is the poster child for the reasons to crack down on illegal immigration and any academic study that tries to put a smiley face on this train wreck is not worth the paper it is printed on or the tax dollars that were wasted printing an obvious lie.

    What you are calling myths are actually truths. The Study by FAIR is well documented and supports what any thinking taxpayer can see with their own eyes.

    • Meteorlady

      You could also check out El Paso, TX. From the freeway it looks like a third word country. We don’t travel through it anymore because it’s just to dangerous for us to do so.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Meteorlady,
        You could also check out Las Vegas. The Mexican Mafia, as they are sometimes called, control about 90% of the crime there! They out number the cops and out gun them as well!

      • Meteorlady

        Joe – a friend of mine is a retired cop from LA and he says that if the mexicans wanted to take over it would be easy as there are entire neighborhoods that they police no longer go into.
        Scary stuff – all those who object to Arizona need to look at their reasons and get ready because they are coming to your town in the near future.

  • http://espionageaction-actionadventure.blogger.com Stephen Russell

    If DC did its job we’d not have this Mess, & thanks GW Bush for NOT pushing this after 9-11.
    & thanks Obama Regime for the Status Quo of Business as usual in DC.
    & now lets see Texas do the same as AZ.
    Secede time?

    • Meteorlady

      It’s gone one far longer than Bush – Carter in fact made immigrants eligible for all types of social services and SS and SS disability.

  • http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights/immigration-myths-and-facts Max9010

    Building a wall along the entire 2000-mile southern U.S. border would be prohibitively expensive. According to a study by the Cato Institute, rather than acting as a deterrent to those attempting to cross the border, increased enforcement has only succeeded in pushing immigration flows into more remote, less patrolled regions, resulting in a tripling of the death rate at the border and decreased apprehensions, and creating a dramatic increase in taxpayer money spent on making arrests along the border (from $300 per arrest in 1992 to $1,200 per arrest in 2002).48

    Furthermore, increased border enforcement has actually increased the number of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. at any one time. The increased risk and cost to immigrants of crossing the border has resulted in fewer undocumented immigrants returning to their home countries for periods of time as part of the decades-long circular migration patterns that characterize undocumented immigration from Mexico up until the 1990s. Instead, immigrants stay in the United States for longer periods of time, often choosing to immigrate their families to avoid longer periods of separation.49

    The Secure Fence Act of 2006 directed the Department of Homeland Security to construct 850 miles of additional border fencing. According to a report by Congressional Research Services, the San Diego fence, combined with increased border patrol agents in the area, succeeded in decreasing border crossing in that region, but at the same time there is considerable evidence that the flow of illegal immigration has shifted to the more remote areas of the Arizona desert, decreasing the number of apprehensions and increasing the cost.50

    • s c

      Max, I scanned your rant(s). In political matters, it’s better to be honest, rather than be concerned with being polite. Ergo, after using all of those many paragraphs, I have to conclude that you are at least a hardcore apologist for Obummer.
      Beyond that, you have been waiting for this topic to materialize on this website. Now I have an idea as to the identity of the culprit(s) of Obummer’s healthcare abomination and who helps ‘create’ Obummer’s many anti-American, freedom-hating schemes. How much were you paid to submit your comments?

    • EA Hughes

      All your posts are mixed with both Legal and Illegal stats, and assure me you want Illegals here.
      What part of ILLEGAL don’t you understand? Explain your thoughts on that issue.
      I have recent experience working where the work force was 95% Mexican. They are very good people, the large percentage, and very good workers.
      BUT, if they are Illegal, they need to go back where they came from, plain and simple. You break our Laws, you get deported. Come back the LEGAL way, and you will be welcomed.

    • Meteorlady

      Yes – the All American Canal is an example of border security. Not one single American citizen has died in that canal. There are signs posted EVERYWHERE that say it is unsafe. Yet, illegals jump in and try and swim across. I have no sympathy for them because they are stupidly putting their lives in danger to perform a illegal act against my country. Of course all the “do gooders” are crying that they should put some type of safety equipment so they can be saved – at a cost to State and US Taxpayers. If the Mexican government is so concerned about this – why don’t they put in the safety measures? Or hey, better yet, why not just institute a ferry to take them across and drop them nicely on the US side?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Max9010,
      The fence and wall wouldn’t be cost prohibitive, its a matter of materials only. for each and every illegal caught, jail them in a tent jail like Sheriff Joe Arapaio runs and place them along the border. Let the illegals caught, and they would number in the thousands daily, build it! Once the illegals have spent their time, send them back to Mexico or where ever they came from! Labor costs are solved!

    • Allan

      This isn’t your own words, or even normal speech. It’s called plagiarism…not that it was worth plagiarizing in the first place.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Allan,
        You can ask any of the regulars her and they will tell you I have been saying this for months!!

      • Sandra

        Joe H.
        I think Allan is responding to Max9010s’ never ending drivel. It’s obvious that it was copied and posted here without any reference to the original author.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        thanks Sandra, that’s why we should use the name of who we are posting to, in most cases.

  • http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights/immigration-myths-and-facts Max9010

    And while 51 percent of Latino immigrants send remittances home,36 they are spending their money in the United States as well. In fact, a 1998 study found that immigrants become net economic contributors after 10 to 15 years in the U.S.37

    In addition to paying taxes and Social Security, immigrants spend money on goods and services in the United States. A study of Latino immigrants in California found significant gains in home ownership between those who had been in this country for ten years (16.4 percent are homeowners) and those who had been here for over thirty years (64.6 percent).38 Furthermore, a 2002 Harvard University study of U.S. Census data found that there were more than 5.7 million foreign- born homeowners in the United States.39 The study found that foreign-born new homeowners are buying their homes by saving more than native-born homebuyers and stretching their incomes more.

    While homeownership nationally was approximately 69% in 2006, it was 60% for Asians and 50% for Latinos—each group with large immigrant populations and therefore greater impediments to obtaining bank loans.40 Although homeownership is largely correlated with legal status in the U.S., undocumented immigrants are also buying into the “American Dream” of homeownership in some of the most expensive housing markets in the country.41

    MYTH: Immigrants bring crime to our cities and towns.
    FACT: Immigrants are actually far less likely to commit crimes than their native-born counterparts. Even as the undocumented population has increased in the United States, crime rates have decreased significantly.
    According to a 2000 report prepared for the U.S. Department of Justice, immigrants maintain low crime rates even when faced with adverse social conditions such as low income and low levels of education.42

    Although incarceration rates are highest among young low-income men and many immigrants arriving in the U.S. are young men with low levels of education, incarceration rates among young men are invariably lower for immigrants than for their native-born counterparts. This is true across every ethnic group but the differences are especially noticeable among Mexicans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans, who constitute the majority of undocumented immigrants in the United States. Even in cities with the largest immigrant populations, such as New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Miami, violent and non-violent crime rates have continued to decline.43

    Even after taking into account higher deportation rates since the mid 1990′s, and reviewing the 1980 and 1990 censuses, the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) ascertained that, “18-40 year-old male immigrants have lower institutionalization rates than the native born each year…and by 2000, immigrants have institutionalization rates that are one-fifth those of the native born.”44 In fact, according to the NBAR study, the newly arrived immigrants are particularly unlikely to be involved in crime.

    Cities like Hazleton, Pennsylvania have tried to blame a new wave of immigrants for a supposed rise in crime. Yet, Hazleton’s own crime statistics taken from the Pennsylvania State Police show that overall crime in the city has decreased and is now less than half of the national average.45

    MYTH: Most immigrants are undocumented and have crossed the border illegally.
    FACT: Two thirds of immigrants are here lawfully—either as naturalized citizens or in some other lawful status. Moreover, almost half of all undocumented immigrants entered the United States legally.
    According to the Pew Hispanic Center, one third of all immigrants are undocumented, one third have some form of legal status and one third are naturalized citizens. This applies to immigrants from Latin America as well as others.46

    Almost half of all undocumented immigrants entered the United States on visas that allowed them to reside here temporarily—either as tourists, students, or temporary workers. This means they were subject to inspection by immigration officials before entering the country,47 and became undocumented only when their visas expired and they didn’t leave the country.

    MYTH: Weak border enforcement has led to high rates of undocumented immigration. We should increase enforcement and build a wall around our border.
    FACT: Increased border security and the construction of border fences have done little to curb the flow of immigrants across the United States border. Instead, these policies have only succeeded in pushing border crossers into dangerous and less-patrolled regions, and increased the undocumented population by creating an incentive for immigrants not to leave.

    • Meteorlady

      You rant is totally one sided and obviously biased. I worked at Immigration for approximately 5 years. I also worked doing research for the Center for Immigration Control. Your figures are not complete. These people costs us far far more than then contribute. Our wage scales has decreased for citizens, our prisons in California are made up of 30% illegals and another 20% Mexican immigrants (and that’s just California). We school illegals and legal immigrants in their own languages because they so disrespect the opportunities provided to them they are too lazy to learn our language. They take away education dollars from our schools when doing this. They flood our hospital emergency rooms for free medical care. My mother was rerouted across town via ambulance (a true emergency) because her hospital emergency room just two miles away was full – she almost didn’t make it. When my brother went to the emergency room two miles away, he found it filled with Mexican gang bangers that had been in a knife fight and needed stitches.

      They steal our identities, smuggle drugs, run grow operations on private property, murder ranchers on their own property, steal from us, their drug wars are making our border cities too dangerous to go to, and they generally are not the type of citizens and workers we need in this country. They DO NOT take jobs Americans don’t want – they are working in my area in construction trades and the wages here have gone down to nothing for those jobs. They run their own businesses for cash such as remodeling, lawn service, landscaping, irrigation, brick and rock work, foundations, etc.

      so where you got your “facts” I’m not sure, but you need to do some further research and post the ENTIRE story next time you feel a need to be important.

  • http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights/immigration-myths-and-facts Max9010

    Despite these barriers, The Pew Hispanic Center’s report on U.S. Census data shows that the proportion of eligible immigrants who have acquired citizenship rose to 52% in 2005, “the highest level in a quarter of a century.”15 In the 2007 fiscal year, DHS received 1.4 million citizenship applications—nearly double from last fiscal year 26—and between June and July of 2007, naturalization applications increased 350% compared to last year.27 In his testimony to Congress, US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Director, Emilio Gonzalez, referred to this increase as “unprecedented in the history of immigration services in our nation.”28

    Yet, despite the promise by USCIS that backlogs would be eliminated, applications for naturalization can take a year and half to adjudicate and of the 1.4 applications it received in 2007, less than 660,000 have been decided.29

    MYTH: Immigrants don’t pay taxes.
    FACT: Almost all immigrants pay income taxes even though they can’t benefit from most federal and state local assistance programs and all immigrants pay sales and property taxes.
    According to the 2005 Economic Report of the President, “more than half of all undocumented immigrants are believed to be working ‘on the books’…[and]… contribute to the tax rolls but are ineligible for almost all Federal public assistance programs and most major Federal-state programs.” According to the report, undocumented immigrants also “contribute money to public coffers by paying sales and property taxes (the latter are implicit in apartment rentals).”30

    All immigrants (legal and undocumented) pay the same real estate taxes and the same sales and other consumption taxes as everyone else. The University of Illinois at Chicago found in 2002 that undocumented immigrants in the Chicago metro area spent $2.89 billion annually from their earnings and these expenditures generated $2.56 billion additional spending for the local economy.31

    Legal immigrants pay income taxes and indeed many undocumented immigrants also pay income taxes or have taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks—even though they are unable to claim a tax refund, Social Security benefits or other welfare benefits that these taxes support. In the Chicago metro area for example, approximately seventy percent of undocumented workers paid payroll taxes, according to the University of Illinois study from 2002.32 In the Washington Metro Region, immigrants paid the same share of the region’s overall taxes (18 percent) as the rest of the population (17.4 percent), according to a 2006 Urban Institute study.33 This study also points to the fact that immigrants’ tax payments support both local and state services in addition to the federal government.

    The Social Security Administration (SSA) holds that undocumented immigrants “account for a major portion” of the billions of dollars paid into the Social Security system—an estimated $520 billion as of October 2005.34 The SSA keeps a file called the “earnings suspense file” on all earnings with incorrect or fictitious Social Security numbers and the SSA’s chief actuary stated in 2005 that “three quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes.”35 Their figures show that the suspense file is growing by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 to 7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.

    MYTH: Immigrants send all their money back to their home countries instead of spending money here.
    FACT: Immigrants do send money to family members, making it possible for more people to stay in their home countries rather than migrating to the United States. Importantly, sending remittances home does not keep immigrants from spending money in the United States.
    It’s true that remittances are the biggest sources of foreign currency for most Latin American countries and surpass any amount of foreign aid sent by the U.S. The money sent by immigrants to their family members allows many people to stay in their home countries who might otherwise feel compelled to migrate to the U.S.

    • Steve

      Max9010
      Your unsubstantiated & irrelevant factoids are putting me to zzzzzzzleep.
      Read the title of this page. It is about “ILLEGAL” aliens…
      ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  • http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights/immigration-myths-and-facts Max9010

    With respect to wages, in a 1997 study, the National Research Council estimated the annual wage gain due to immigration for U.S. workers to be $10 billion each year13 in 2007 CEA estimated the gain at over $30 billion per year.14 The CEA acknowledges that an increase in immigrant workers is likely to have some negative impact on the wages of low-skilled native workers, but they found this impact to be relatively small and went on to conclude that reducing immigration “would be a poorly-targeted and inefficient way to assist low-wage Americans.”15

    In addition to having an overall positive affect on the average wages of American workers, an increase in immigrant workers also tends to increase employment rates among the native-born. According to a Pew Hispanic Center study, between 2000 and 2004 “there was a positive correlation between the increase in the foreign-born population and the employment of native-born workers in 27 states and the District of Columbia.” These states included all the major destination states for immigrants and together they accounted for 67% of all native-born workers.16 California, for example, saw an increase in wages of natives by about four percent from 1990 to 2004—a period of large influx of immigrants to the state—due to the complimentary skills of immigrant workers and an increase in the demand for tasks performed by native workers.17

    MYTH: Immigrants—particularly Latino immigrants—don’t want to learn English.
    FACT: Immigrants, including Latino immigrants, believe they need to learn English in order to succeed in the United States, and the majority uses at least some English at work.
    Throughout our country’s history, critics of immigration have accused new immigrants of refusing to learn English and to otherwise assimilate. These charges are no truer today than they were then. As with prior waves of immigrants, there is a marked increase in English-language skills from one immigrant generation to the next.18 In the first ever major longitudinal study of the children of immigrants, in 1992 Rambaut and Portes found that “the pattern of linguistic assimilation prevails across nationalities.” The authors go on to report that “the linguistic outcomes for the third generation—the grandchildren of the present wave of immigrants—will be little different than what has been the age-old pattern in American immigration history.”19

    While many first-generation Latino immigrants are unable to speak English, 88 percent of their U.S.-born adult children report that they speak English very well.20 And studies show that the number rises dramatically for each subsequent generation. Furthermore, similar to other immigrants, Latinos believe that they need to learn English in order to succeed in the United States, and believe they will be discriminated against if they don’t.21 Most Latino immigrants (67%) report that they use at least some English at work.22

    California’s second-generation immigrants experience a large drop in “low levels of English proficiency” compared to first generation immigrants, from 27% to 6%, and the proportion of immigrants with high levels of English proficiency rises from 49% in the first generation to 79% in the second generation. The proportion of both Asian and Latino immigrants, who speak English exclusively rises from 10% in the first generation to 29% in the second and 94% in the third.23

    Notwithstanding the current levels of English language acquisition for the newest wave of immigrants, there is a demand for English language classes that far exceeds the supply and which, if met, would greatly advance immigrants’ integration into American social and cultural life.

    MYTH: Immigrants don’t want to become citizens.
    FACT: Many immigrants to the United States seek citizenship, even in the face of difficult requirements and huge backlogs that can delay the process for years.
    Most immigrants are ineligible to apply for citizenship until they have resided in the U.S. with lawful permanent resident status for five years, have passed background checks, have shown that they have paid their taxes, are of “good moral character, demonstrate knowledge of U.S. history and civics, and have the ability to understand, speak and write English.” In addition, people applying for naturalization have to pay a fee, which increased by 69% in 2007 from $400 to $675, making it much harder for low-income immigrants to reach their dream of becoming Americans.24

    • http://?? Joe H.

      max9010,
      Good, let them come here LEGALLY and I will welcome them with open arms! Why should ANY illegal immigrant get the same benefits that an immigrant that went through all the proper channels and procedures to get here??? I’m talking Mexican as well as the estimated 20,000 illegals from Ireland! Illegal is just that, illegal!

  • http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights/immigration-myths-and-facts Max9010

    Still, according to recent studies from a number of cities and states—including the states of Arizona, Texas, Minnesota, California, New York, North Carolina and Arkansas, and cities or counties of Chicago and Santa Clara—while the cost of educating the children of immigrants may be high, the overall economic benefits of immigrants to the states remain positive.7 A University of Illinois study found that undocumented immigrants in the Chicago metropolitan area alone spent $2.89 billion in 2001, stimulating an additional $5.45 billion in total local spending and sustaining 31,908 jobs in the local economy.8

    The Udall Center at the University of Arizona found that the fiscal costs of immigrants, starting with education, totaled $1.41 billion in 2004, which, balanced against $1.64 billion in state tax revenue attributable to immigrants as workers, resulted in a fiscal gain of $222.6 million.9 Similarly, in its Special Report about undocumented immigrants in Texas, the Comptroller of Public Accounts found that in 2005, even counting the costs associated with education, “the state revenues collected from undocumented immigrants exceed what the state spent on services, with the difference being $424.7 million.”10

    MYTH: Immigrants have a negative impact on the economy and the wages of citizens and take jobs away from citizens.
    FACT: Immigration has a positive effect on the American economy as a whole and on the income of native-born workers.
    In June 2007, the President’s Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) issued a report on “Immigration’s Economic Impact.” Based on a thorough review of the literature, the Council concluded that “immigrants not only help fuel the Nation’s economic growth, but also have an overall positive effect on the American economy as a whole and on the income of native-born American workers.”11 Among the report’s key findings were that, on average, U.S. natives benefit from immigration in that immigrants tend to complement natives, not substitute for them.

    Immigrants have different skills, which allow higher-skilled native workers to increase productivity and thus increase their incomes. Also, as the native-born U.S. population becomes older and better educated, young immigrant workers fill gaps in the low-skilled labor markets.12

    • Michelle

      Your facts are all from 5 years ago when jobs were available for the citizens. Now with unemployment so high illegals ARE taking jobs from citizens who wish to work. Unless you live in Arizona you cannot fully understand the impact the illegals have on your daily life. In my area the middle school my children attended is now banished by all ethnic groups because it is almost 100% hispanic. This is spreading quickly to the elementary schools. Our children are suffering. While some claim giving them an education is good, by high school these children who have taken a good education away from the citizens have since dropped out of high school. Those in the country illegal broke the law. If they work and paid in taxes they broke the law – identity theft – as only legal immigrants and citizens can obtain social security numbers. Legal immigration is good. Illegal immigration is destroying the country.

      • JeffH

        Michelle, you’ll notice that there is no mention of “illegals”.

    • Meteorlady

      Nuts – just nuts. They cost $200 billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages – that was according to a CNN article which has since been removed from the web. Hmmmmmm, wonder why?

    • Steve

      Max9010
      Yeah we believe you. We also believe everything Al Gore, slick willie Clinton, and obama tells us too……. oh and then there’s Rosie O’Donnell… We believe everything that comes outta her pie hole. Why wouldn’t we believe you too?

  • http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights/immigration-myths-and-facts Max9010

    MYTH: Immigrants are a drain on our social services.
    FACT: By paying taxes and Social Security, immigrants contribute far more to government coffers than they use in social services.
    In its landmark report published in 1997—arguably the most thorough national study to date of immigration’s fiscal impacts—the National Research Council (NRC) of the National Academy of Sciences concluded that on average, immigrants generate public revenue that exceeds their public costs over time—approximately $80,000 more in taxes than they receive in state, federal and local benefits over their life times.1 This same conclusion was reached in 2007 by the Council of Economic Advisers in their report to the Executive Office of the President where they state that “the long-run impact of immigration on public budgets is likely to be positive,” and agree with the NRC report’s view that “only a forward-looking projection of taxes and government spending can offer an accurate picture of the long-run fiscal consequences of admitting new immigrants.”2

    Indeed, most non-citizens are not even eligible for the majority of welfare programs unless they are legal permanent residents and have resided in the United States legally for at least five years. This includes benefits such as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), SSI, Medicaid, and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP).

    Moreover, according to government reports, noncitizens are much less likely than citizens to use the benefits for which they are eligible. For example, immigrants, especially the undocumented, tend to use medical services much less than the average American.3 In fact, the average immigrant uses less than half the dollar amount of health care services as the average native-born citizen.4 Moreover, the claim that immigrants account for high rates of emergency room (ER) visits is refuted by research; in fact, communities with high rates of ER usage tend to have relatively small percentages of immigrant residents.

    Likewise, according to Department of Agriculture reports, noncitizens who are eligible for food stamps are significantly less likely to use them than are all other individuals who are eligible for the program. For example, about 45 percent of eligible noncitizens received food stamps in 2002, compared to almost 60 percent of eligible individuals overall.5

    Most of the fiscal impact from immigration is felt at the state and local levels. The Council of Economic Advisors points out in its report to the Executive Office of the President that “the positive fiscal impact tends to accrue at the federal level, but the net costs tend to be concentrated at the state and local level,” which bear primary responsibility for providing not only health care but education.6

    • EA Hughes

      OK. So who is lying here? All the estimates printed in the papers, all the TV News, and everyone else who says on TV what a huge expense the Illegals are to the States?
      This is the first time I’ve seen such a rosy picture of Illegals being here, and would assume you are in favor of all Illegals breaking into our Country. Illegals I’m sure aren’t paying taxes, except for purchases. As for Social Security being paid, you’d have to assume they have a “legal” job. Some companies do ask for proper ID before they hire, so Illegals often have to take “under the table” jobs, and don’t contribute. You source sounds like a “Liberal Do Gooder” type thing, and after hearing nothing but comments that Illegals DO get free health care, which we pay for, I’d have to discount what you posted.

      • JeffH

        MYTH: Max9010

      • Ted Crawford

        JeffH; max9010 is just getting a little extra,besides his other entitlement payments, to post here. As the progressives are so fond of pointing out, he is entitled to his own oponion, just not his own “facts”! His “facts” are just bogus!!!

      • Ricky

        IT DONT STOP THEIR IT GOES ON THAY HAVE 2 TO 3 ID THIS THAY GO TO DIFFERNT STATES AND GET FOOD STAMPS FREE HELTH ,MEDICAL .AND THE LOW HOUSEING .I KNOW I WORKED WITH THEM ..BE FORE I GOT DISABLED FROM A ACIDENT ..BE FORE I COULD DRAW ON MY 45 YEARS PAYING TO SSI I HADE TO SHOW PICTURE ID ….BIRTH CITIFC …. DRIVERS LISSON …LIGHT BILL FOR THE LAST 3 MOUNTS A LETTER WITH YOUR ADDRESS ON IT …THEN YOU WEIGHT TILL THAY APROVE YOU ,BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU BILLS ARE PILEING UP …..AND THAY SAY YOU CAN LIVE ON 1045.00 MOUNTH … I HAVE NO MEDICAL FOR 2 YEARS NO FOOD STAMPS ,MEXICONS GETS THEM , SO THAT PUTS ME OUT SO OBUMA CAN HIS TRATAM WAYS WITH MEXICONS ,,,,

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Max9010,
        do you even know the difference between LEGAL and illegal immigrants??? I don’t think so, Amigo! Illegal immigrants cost us hundreds of billions of dollars per year in health care, services, welfare, and ADC!! It was estimated the other day that even if the illegals got a jobabove board and paying their fair share of taxes, because of their lower level of education they would still recieve about twenty thousand in tax payor supported services than they pay!!!
        ES VERDAD!!!!

      • chelo

        am i going to be able to post my comments on this site, seems like this site is ran by morons.

      • Cindy

        I don’t know chelo. Can you see this post you made? It’s not such a good idea to call the site operators morons.
        Are you one who normally bites the hand that feeds you?

      • Claire

        chelo–you are here, aren’t you?? Or do you know even where you are? So this makes you a moron too, especially if you think this site is ran by morons. Get lost. Whoops, you are already lost. In more ways than one.

      • libertytrain

        Claire – shouldn’t she have said “run by morons” – I could not make sense of what she was saying or why she was saying it – did she think she was on a more leftist site?

      • Claire

        libertytrain–I re-read her post. I don’t know. The impression I got was that she thought this site was “run” by morons. But maybe she meant us instead? Who knows. Anyway, I gave a sarcastic answer. Maybe I should have behaved myself and gave her the benefit of the doubt.

      • libertytrain

        Claire – I meant her grammar or sentence structure – she said “ran” by morons. I think it was incorrect usage of “ran” – I was being silly.

      • Claire

        libertytrain–that went right past me! I wasn’t even thinking about sentence structure. Just thinking about the word “moron.”

    • Meteorlady

      Myth – Once the immigrant gets to SS states or collects disability they cost the American taxpayer $17,450 per year more than the US citizen who worked their entire lives and paid into the system.

      • Meteorlady

        Ops – that was not a myth – it’s the truth. Sorry….

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Meteorlady,
        I wondered about that coming from you!!! Scared the he!! out of me.

  • EA Hughes

    One of the biggest lies told about the Illegal Mexican situation is PROFILING. I have never seen anyone say this.
    Do you even know what a Mexican looks like? Obama must think the women all have long flowery dresses, and the men Moustaches and Sombreos, so anyone like that is Mexican, and will be PROFILED!
    That’s so far from the truth, it’s not funny! Some Mexicans can’t be told from any other white race, and some Mexican women have lighter skin, Blonde hair, and blue eyes. Some Mexicans are so dark as to look African, some look almost Orenintal. Based on that, profiling wouldn’t be that easy.
    However, who gives a crap. If they are here legally, they carry the same ID we all have. After a few minutes, they would be on their way.
    And since when did profiling get to be a life threatening thing?

    • Meteorlady

      Actually – in Texas you can tell a lot of the newly arrived illegals because of what they wear, their language proficiency, and what they are driving. You can call this “profiling” or not, but to me it’s a means to get started on checking legal status in this country. I have yard work done because I have to when I leave for the summer and I can tell you the person I hire is a dessert storm vet and reliable. They Mexican I hired last year wanted me to send checks to his cousin in town – I fire him soon thereafter. I also called ICE and was told that they didn’t just come after one or two people, they wanted to get groups of them. I suppose for the news effect…

  • Max9010

    When you are an entrepreneur, you would like that many customer
    invest in your company, Don’t you think so?
    The same for any corporation owner small or big!
    A country is nothing else as a large corporation, any immigrant
    who bring money to this country as any investment
    like paying the mortgage, the property taxes, insurance etc
    to build up his/her life has to invest more than $5000 to $850000
    depend how big he will be. So any Investor small like a grape
    picker or even larger has no rights? Government decisions of
    allowing that in between rightness or corrupt builder, mortgage,
    attorneys ore people who life in greed can take advantage of those
    who are vulnerable by law. madoff, aig, wallstreet etc.. the
    variety is very long. Billions of us dollars in miss use.
    And now to throw illegal’s out of the country is theft.
    25000000 victims (2007) of crime are in this country
    so how many citizen like you are all over the country
    are criminals ex convicts. Most republican war keepers with greed
    to take the money from those who are vulnerable that is
    the idea. The republican finger pointing, who broad this
    country in a financial disaster.
    Instead of declaring war to and after the terrorists, with
    all spending brought the economy down and Americans who life
    undisciplined irresponsible in over valuing there living standards who lost
    there homes to be responsible for their depth.

    And now take everything away from Immigrants or Aliens ?
    What a lovely country.
    Oh, no right to return the food in the restaurant or criticize
    the chef or his Kitchen. How low leveled can the people be

    • JeffH

      I must point out that Max9010 posts are addressing immigrants, not illegal immigrants.

      Impacts of Illegal Immigration: Jobs
      The MSM report ad nauseam that illegal aliens are only “doing work that Americans won’t.” This mantra is mercilessly bandied about by illegal immigration supporters and echoes throughout the halls of Congress and the White House whenever the topic comes up. What is never mentioned, however, is that the illegal aliens are artificially depressing compensation and that illegal aliens are the only ones who will do the work at such low wages. In actual fact, illegal immigration distorts the law of supply and demand in a capitalistic society. Additionally it is grossly hypocritical to want to raise the minimum wage on one hand while the other hand winks at illegal aliens working at far below prevailing wages.
      http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_jobs.html

      • Meteorlady

        Thanks Jeff – I couldn’t agree more.

        In my area they are doing brick laying, roofing, foundations, rock work, landscaping, yard care and other jobs that used to pay more. My lawn person (an American citizen and veteran) has been giving estimates only to find that they illegals are giving way lower estimates. By the time he pays his taxes, SS and Medicare, plus state sales taxes, he can’t work for that as he has a net loss. Meanwhile the illegal is working for cash and collecting welfare and food stamps for his family.

    • Meteorlady

      Max I suggest you do the following:

      When you go home tonight, take all the doors and locks off your house. Allow
      anyone who desires a better life to enter your home at will. You are
      forbidden to ask where they are from, how long they plan on staying, or what
      they are going to do while they’re in your home. You are not allowed to
      determine if they have a criminal record in their home country.

      You may never ask to see any form of identification, as that would be racial
      profiling. While they are in your home you will be financially responsible
      for them. You will pay for their food, health care, and education.

      Should anyone happen to give birth while in your home you will be
      financially responsible for that child for its entire life, even if the
      parents were only in your home for a few days. Of course, while they live in
      your home, the ones who work will send a majority of their money back to
      their own country. I could go on, but you get the picture.

      The U.S.A. is our home. Should we leave it wide open or should we open the
      doors only after we find out who’s knocking?

      Rod Edwards.
      Rockville

  • Scott

    I back Ari.new law and their fight on illegal immigration. Enough is ENOUGH!

  • CHUCKY

    Forget about the oil spill this is the most important job that needs to be done and a lousy 1200 unarmed extra manpower will not do it. deploy 30,000 armed national guard troops from all states to do the job right. And I believe you should swear in another 40,000 bounty hunters(returning veterans from both wars would have the option to be immedeiatly employed) to weed out these illegals and send them back to mexico(don’t like it there(Mexico) have a revolution like we did 234 years ago and take control, or vote the corrupt politicians out like we will be doing in november). Enough is enough when 12 Americans a day die at the hands of illegals nationwide. Where are the female groups who need to see the amount of rapes that are commited by illegals here. They are not here to give or contribute to this country( hell, they will not even take the time to learn english) they are here to TAKE and get whatever freebie they can qualify for. Time to wake up from this nightmare America before it is too late. NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE MEDIA AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SPINS IT NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY SUGAR COAT IT. SETTLE FOR NO LESS THEN TOTAL DEPORTATION. THIS IS NOT RACIST IT IS JUSTICE. YOU BREAK THE LAW YOU GET FINED OR IMPRISIONED WHAT MAKES THEM ABOVE THE LAW?

  • http://immigration.civiltalks.com/ Malary

    It’s high time to get a handle on illegal immigration. SB 1070 is not about race but the rule of law. I am just strongly oppose those morons who came to the rally dressed in t-shirts displaying – WHITE PEOPLE PARTY!!! Because of those bigots, Arizona is accused in racial profiling!
    However we need to hear your opinion at http://immigration.civiltalks.com

    Cast your vote – each comment counts.

  • Al Sieber

    The Obama administration is gonna have the supreme court over turn this new law before it takes effect July 29th. they’re working on it now. the fed. govt. won’t enforce the law, yet Ariz., tries to protect it’s residents by passing a law that mirrors fed. law, but, is more more fair than fed. law. so why hasn’t the Obama admin. enforced the law? we’re tired of Mexico dumping it’s people and problems on the U.S.A. we’re almost bankrupt. we let foreigners come into our country demanding we give them everything free and they have a better life and more opportunities than our own fellow Americans. yes, it’s costing us a lot. it seems they’re pushing for a North American Union.

    • TIME

      Al,
      Have you read the 15 pages of this law? Its no differant than the Federal law on the books. Thus to repeal it would mean that the Federal law would be Nul and Void.

      **Please email and Call your state reps and tell them you want the Congress and Senate to stay out of AZ’s way.
      Also that you want the BS to stop and you want them to explain how AZ’s laws are no differant than the Federal laws on the books now. And that we don’t need a 2000 page law that takes away more of the United States Citizens Freedoms, and Tax us any more for the Feds lacking doing their jobs.

      Let me try and make this clear, The AZ law was done to bring about the obvious to those that are still sitting in the dark.

      BarryO is a puppet on a string, so he did his stupid dance just as he has done now countless times, and will keep doing over and over again, note “its the same dance differant day.”
      Its all a Dog & Pony Show to inflame the gangs of buffoons that jump at everything.

      Yet these same people that jump are trained like seals at Sea World, they jump when told to, it makes no differance what the issue they would jump if they were told they were going to be shot at noon and be there 10 minutes early to be sure they got in the right order for their deaths.

      Perhaps one or two may wake up but I really feel that its all part of the lower IQ levels main issues with life in general as in they are disenfranchised thus they will do what they are told by whom ever they think is in charge ~ of whom they feel are Great Leaders.
      Its hostory repeteing its self. Some just can’t learn, aka LOW IQ.

      As far as Calie’s cost, I have been told the amounts range from $5- $20 Billion per year.
      As well I think that AZ’s numbers are on the low side. Keep in mind we have 48 more states that these cost are being spread out too.

      • Al Sieber

        Yes I did read it Time, so why are people in such a uproar? I’ve e-mailed our gov. office also.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Time,
        I have been wondering lately about exactly what you state in your first few sentences and what I wonder the most is could it be that the reason that washington is rasing so much hell is they WANT to turn the public against this and the federal law so they can try to repeal both??

    • Meteorlady

      If Obama administration was going to do it they would have already done it. They are afraid to take this on as they know they cannot win without more liberals on the supreme court. That’s why Obama is trying to insight AG’s to take it on and has agreed to send troops to the border – though the amount of troops is really inadequate and doomed to failure.

  • Doc Sarvis

    That is just part of the equation. I would love to know how much money employers are saving by hiring these people. This keeps their costs down which either goes into their pockets or is passed on to the American consumer, or both.

    • Meteorlady

      In my neck of the woods they keep the profits. Hire cheap, live large. The estimates that I received for some brick and rock work were all very close to the same, but when asked who had legal workers I found that only one employer would supply paperwork that said their workers were legal.

  • RoBoTech

    Claire, the voters ARE stupid.
    Who do you think gave Kirk the Primary in the 1st place?
    We SCREAMED at the Illinois Conservatives that they were getting PUNKED by the RNCC by nominating the FAAAAR Left Liberal and RINO, Kirk.
    I hope he does lose. If he wins, he’ll just enable Obama’s agenda, just like he already has as a Congressman! So what’s the difference, A democrat that we know is a Progressive Socialist Agenda enabler, or a lying RINO that will turn on us at the worst times?
    This idiot voted for CRAP and TAX last year!
    NOW I read a lot of blogs saying the Tea Party has a LIAR for a candidate. Obviously, the Libtards have NOT been paying attention. The Tea Party folks have been AGAINST this RINO since the beginning. We saw him as the same as Scozzafava, and an Amnesty Hound like McCain!
    So, do you still DOUBT that the Illinois Conservatives are STUPID? His District IS Chicago, you know!

    • Claire

      RoBoTech–I didn’t vote for Kirk in the primaries. And as far as I am concerned there isn’t an honest politician in the state of Illinois. They are all con-artists.

    • Jim H.

      RoBoTech, The voter turnout for the Illinois Primaries, In Kane County was 20%. Now we’re stuck with Kirk as a candidate. The primaries are just as, or even more important(McCain) than the general elections.

    • GregS

      RoBoTech, I’m a conservative, and I didn’t vote for Kirk in the primaries. The problem isn’t with the conservatives in Illinois. It’s the increasing numbers of RINOs and liberals in Illinois who vote for these jerks. That said, I am going to vote for Kirk in November, since we are stuck with him. As a Congressman, he at least voted against ObamaCare, and this is the ONE issue, which we ALL as conservatives, Tea Party members, etc., need to focus on when we vote in November. If Giannoulias (Kirk’s Democratic opponent) wins that race, he will do FAR MORE damage than Kirk in advancing ObamaCare, and amnesty for illegal immigrants. We cannot let that happen! Any conservative who does not vote in that Senate race in November will be virtually handing over that Senate seat (Obummer’s former Senate seat) to Giannoulias on a silver platter! I, for one, do NOT want this to happen!

      • Claire

        GregS–I will probably vote for Kirk, although I am not “gung ho” about him. I have no choice, at lease maybe he will help towards repealing the health reform.

      • Claire

        “least” not lease!!

      • GregS

        Yea, Claire! I agree with you, that most of the politicians in Illinois are just a bunch of con-artists, but I guess it all boils down to picking the “lesser of the [many] evils.” Politically, our state is so pathetic. Even the state legislature is in terrible shape.

      • Claire

        GregS–I know. I am so disgusted with Illinois politics. I should be used to it by now. All these years of crooked shenanigans.It has been this ways for decades and will continue. Did you like Brady?

      • GregS

        I like Brady, especially because he’s pro-life, and he’s endorsed by major pro-life groups. Also, he believes in cutting spending instead of raising our taxes. However, as you pointed out in previous posts, he has his bad points (e.g. his sponsorship of the mass euthanasia of dogs and cats bill), but, then again, he is “the lesser of [many] evils,” so I will definitely be voting for him in November.

  • Jim H.

    2.7 billion a year for just one state. I wonder what the total cost is for the nation? This should be enough incentive to start enforcing the laws already in place. As far as distrust between law enforcement and residents goes, the only residents who will be upset are the ones that aren’t here LEGALLY. Law enforcement is profiling. When you find someone who fits the description of the suspect, you investigate. Pretty simple. I would like to see how much California is paying.

    • Claire

      I am off the subject for a moment–Republican Mark Kirk who is a candidate for Illinois Senator, has pulled a “Blumenthal.” Apparently in his campaigns he has stated that he was awarded the U.S. Navy’s Intelligence Officer of the Year, I even heard him say this. He didn’t win this award. Supposedly his unit did but Kirk was acting like “he” won it all by himself. What is wrong with these politicians? Are they crazy? Don’t they have enough sense to know they will get caught? They sure must think the public is stupid.

    • Claire

      Jim H — The amount for the entire nation would be staggering. Racial profiling is just an excuse, and you are correct in what you are saying. California’s amount would have to be enormous.

    • Lloyd

      Research shows that the total cost to the country each year is approx. 335 BILLION dollars. An amount almost equal to the losses forced upon us by the idiots in Washington for Medicaid!

    • JeffH

      Jim H. I highly recommend a tour of this website to realize the overall problems associated with illegal aliens, both financial and social.

      The Costs Of Illegal Immigration

      This report has attempted to highlight The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration that the MSM is not reporting on and bring to light the massive amount of collateral damage in terms of Americans that are being ripped off, infected, molested, killed, and murdered as a result of our out of control immigration policies. This section contains a summary of the collateral damage highlighted in this report along with the annual costs when known.

      Before we do that, however, let us digress for a moment in the way of remembrance.

      On September 11, 2001, a handful of illegal alien terrorists with a plan and the will to carry out that plan, killed 2,752 Americans. The Center for Contemporary Conflict notes in Economic Costs to the United States Stemming From the 9/11 Attacks:
      “The September 11 attacks inflicted casualties and material damages on a far greater scale than any other terrorist aggression in recent history. Lower Manhattan lost approximately 30 percent of its office space and a number of businesses ceased to exist. Close to 200,000 jobs were destroyed or relocated out of New York City, at least temporarily. The destruction of physical assets was estimated in the national accounts to amount to $14 billion for private businesses, $1.5 billion for state and local government enterprises and $0.7 billion for federal enterprises. Rescue, cleanup and related costs have been estimated to amount to at least $11 billion for a total direct cost of $27.2 billion.”
      http://www.usillegalaliens.com/the_costs_of_illegal_immigration.html

      • Jim H.

        Jeff, Thanks for the info, it’s very eyeopening.

  • Claire

    ” a no-nonsense, common sense example of a state acting where the Federal government is failing” — How true these words are. And yet there are those that disagree with Jan Brewer and the law Arizona has passed. I agree with Jan Brewer and the state of Arizona. Enough is enough.
    And now research has proven that illegal immigration has cost Arizona billions. It sure took them long enough to come up with this research. We as Americans already knew.
    The Federal government should have stood behind Arizona. In my eyes, the Federal government has reniged. I do not have any respect for our government.

  • http://immigration.civiltalks.com/ John Grogche

    America was built on immigrants. But to try and make the case for Illegal Immigration does not cut the mustard with a vast majority of Americans.

  • Jennifer Littrell

    I came across a good debating resource that allows you to post comments and cast votes either for or against the New Immigration Law of Arizona without prior registration. I really recommend it: http://www.civiltalks.com

  • s c

    The Obummer administration’s working philosophy says it’s ‘too big’ to fail. It has the hollow ring of a B-grade Hollywood movie, where only shills and pimps smile and approve. Everyone else knows the ‘score.’
    This administration gives itself an A on a daily basis. It will never police itself. Its central gang of thugs think they are immune from the laws of the land. Time behind bars is the solution.
    Arizona has had enough. Most of America has had enough. Arizona has no choice but to protect itself against a government that was created on a treasonous drawing board. Even the media, which is normally able to gloss over obvious flaws, knows that Americans see through the masks.
    Arizonans live with reality. Washington is too busy staying on a drug-induced high to think about reality. Arizona will survive. Washington’s days are numbered.

    • Jodie

      Well said!!

  • http://www.saveourstate.info Jeanjeanie

    I’m so tired of hearing the lame excuse of racial profiling. The Obama administration just wants that door through Arizona left wide open. The far left know that those coming through will be for those democratic hand outs and will vote for them legally or not. Who do they think they’re kidding.

    • http://wwyahoo.com Millie

      I agree with Jeanjeanie and mehoward, What is wrong with this country’s leaders that will allow our people to be mistreated , just to be politically correct. I for one am tired of the liberals and their ways of life and just think I use to be part of the problem.( Thinking everyone should be correct in their speech.) This ledigston has awakened the sleeping giants but think we are still asleeping.( they think we will forget and go away.) They do not care what we think. SOOOo lets replace them all. Get new blood who knows nothing about all the special deals they can get for voting on someone elses bills.Vote because it’s right to do or the best interest to we the people not so they can get reelected to their post.

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